Speaker 2: Nancy Bushika. Chair Gremlin.

Speaker 4: I want to talk about the dogs list.

Speaker 5: No.

Speaker 6: No.

Speaker 9: They said no. They always stuck into them.

Speaker 10: has the extra yeah that's right we don't have to go right now because like i said it's in the baby

Speaker 11: won't be either you know probably two or three people here right right you gotta still keep

Speaker 10: It's all downhill.

Speaker 10: You know what they say.

Speaker 13: I'll disagree with you.

Speaker 14: Okay.

Speaker 15: Okay. I know we're not going to...

Speaker 13: Sorry.

Speaker 17: All the time?

Speaker 18: I wish I could.

Speaker 19: That's a good approach to protecting... The whole special interest loan situation comes into play. I think you can apply for those through the state. Better loans. So you get a little better deal in the end. Well, when we do find any of that out, we should definitely pump that information out

Speaker 20: to the public.

Speaker 11: Pump.

Speaker 19: Pump. Pump. Pump.

Speaker 15: Okay.

Speaker 21: traffic. Should we tell the residents

Speaker 22: Right. It's in the minutes. Be prepared.

Speaker 23: I don't know. My understanding

Speaker 24: Do we know who did it? The gate shut, so somebody had to go in there, maybe during the

Speaker 9: is send them a pocketbook.

Speaker 10: and I'm just wondering. Not anymore of it.

Speaker 11: That worked better. We do have

Speaker 11: Thank you, Dave.

Speaker 21: Put an electric fence

Speaker 23: It's a small town too.

Speaker 25: Because I don't like kids.

Speaker 25: I've never seen it.

Speaker 18: police car that's in town?

Speaker 18: Like, wait a minute. They don't have a car.

Speaker 10: Is one of those people your relatives?

Speaker 10: We'll give them five bucks.

Speaker 21: you're talking about.

Speaker 9: I still do it.

Speaker 27: If there's a building

Speaker 28: is the state.

Speaker 29: It's up to you guys.

Speaker 22: Yeah.

Speaker 11: They have to post this on their property.

Speaker 28: So that's all done.

Speaker 28: If they don't sign.

Speaker 22: you want a committee this is something about the tree the town start the town

Speaker 22: but we all there was a lot of volunteers we all chipped in and helped pay for stuff and volunteered and whatever volunteers are people far between nowadays okay um so yeah if you find

Speaker 30: at the very least we'll get the tree and some lights on it i know that it's often the first

Speaker 30: because my daughter does a show in nashville um it doesn't necessarily have to be on the weekend

Speaker 22: okay so uh yeah all right all right it's in my hopper okay watch out all right joint meeting

Speaker 22: september several dates in september that's a tuesday the 27th yeah yes i can't be there

Speaker 4: i'm going from september3 october3 the 10th okay what about um that's october

Speaker 19: it's definitely sooner than later because the closer we get to all the holidays after all the days

Speaker 21: want to try september

Speaker 22: Well, I think we just should set a date.

Speaker 22: How was he getting paid a year?

Speaker 19: Does that mean like just make it look pretty? Graphic kind of design. So that if we went in, mowed things down, and then took pictures of it, sent it in.

Speaker 31: We have a mess. So it's got to be reclaimed.

Speaker 19: Well, you can get in the fence like nothing. It's just bad. Somebody needs to come down with a weak leg.

Speaker 2: And clean things up.

Speaker 31: There's a lot of stuff that could hurt a person that's trained for that.

Speaker 22: Jim?

Speaker 15: Yeah. You're going to probably have to wait.

Speaker 23: I hate to put my neck out there.

Speaker 32: but there's snow for two months.

Speaker 19: What's he thinking? It seems like the best thing for us is to pick up the snow.

Speaker 33: It's beautiful.

Speaker 19: And then deal with it. That's a good start. Six months? It has snow for six months. Yeah. I don't care about that. There you go.

Speaker 19: I think somebody's got to step up and take care of the state's thing. You know, fines and stuff. I don't think he's going to fine us.

Speaker 15: I mean this fall.

Speaker 21: You've got three days.

Speaker 23: spread out some dirt.

Speaker 21: happy enough.

Speaker 19: That's it. Just complying nine times out of ten is enough. Take the trucks down. Did he have parameters set up? What needs to be done with it? I've got like page after page after page.

Speaker 34: There you go.

Speaker 22: let's do our best.

Speaker 11: Weren't we going to talk about that up front?

Speaker 18: a new bylaw?

Speaker 35: But we weren't

Speaker 31: So

Speaker 36: I think it is

Speaker 37: taxable.

Speaker 31: Is it? Our buildings are taxable. How?

Speaker 31: I don't know.

Speaker 18: What do you mean zero?

Speaker 34: And then we can go to

Speaker 34: He should have.

Speaker 11: Right?

Speaker 18: Because you're denied for the first one.

Speaker 35: But you stop work on it.

Speaker 36: But I'm thinking

Speaker 36: Under

Speaker 38: it's clear but it's not enforced.

Speaker 31: Your examples you're using are kind of off base because you're using agriculture which is a total different ball game. So I could build a 300 foot long building without a permit. Well a notice. Because I have a farm. A legal farm. And I could make pig runs as long as I want.

Speaker 31: Yes. I'm paying taxes

Speaker 39: on the value.

Speaker 39: Well it's not a permit.

Speaker 31: But that's what we're talking about with all these sheds. They're not permits. We disagree on some things but one thing I do agree with is the compensation part. So I believe the AO has evolved over the past 10 years in the development where you know I was getting $35 if I remember right on a shed. I was getting $35 and you were getting I can't remember what it was. At some point though the shed I came before this board when I first became AO and said hey the state says that they can have just a notification they can have a 300 square foot. And I refused to charge people the $110 fee or we had a $35 shed fee. Why did you refuse it? Because you thought it was wrong? I didn't think it was wrong. It was wrong. It was against the law. Our bylaws were against the law? There was about six of them that were against the law. That's what I'm asking.

Speaker 39: like an Airbnb that I know.

Speaker 31: And that has come up in a conversation at the planning commission. Treehouse is something that's going to be discussed.

Speaker 38: That's why we have to

Speaker 31: But if you read the state law on treehouses a treehouse is defined as so the kind you don't need a permit for. A children's playground.

Speaker 31: that's a little issue there. That's a tree dwelling. Tree dwelling.

Speaker 38: get a permit for a treehouse.

Speaker 31: We just need some language changes in our bylaws. But our bylaws are correct. You don't need a permit for a treehouse.

Speaker 35: For zero fee. Right.

Speaker 31: happened? First of all when I first came on there was a I want to say $35 fee I have to go through my paperwork now. There was a $35 fee for a shed. Okay. Or $30. And I got $30 and the town got $5 for $5. Something like that. But it was definitely a

Speaker 40: sweat fee. But I think the other

Speaker 19: thing that if you don't come to our meetings or listen to our meetings kind of idea what we need to just you know to have a permit for and not have a permit for it kind of becomes a okay I don't need a permit to do this but then if we're going to start saying that we would like to unnotice situation does it now not behoove us to say you need to come down no matter what you're doing and fill out a I've always said that. But I'm just saying inside when you you know inside our bylaws it needs to say you need to file no matter what.

Speaker 20: You put a board up you should file. Yeah.

Speaker 19: So that way that starts process of being you being able to say it starts with a piece of paper with all the mapping and everything and you can just say okay here's your $15 fee you're done. And then you know what's happening. Are there But she doesn't get compensated for that.

Speaker 25: the town shouldn't be involved in it. Period.

Speaker 18: That's what bothers me is what is a structure

Speaker 25: a permit. That's taxable.

Speaker 41: just being lenient and saying

Speaker 19: Again you can always have something greater than what the state says. Again agricultural

Speaker 31: if you go out there and you look at these beautiful homes that people were living in and they have cows and they have barns that are three times longer than their houses. The barn is being assessed and they're paying taxes on that barn. However of course it's a business and you know how that write off goes on. But according to Vermont their farm if they want to add on to that barn or put another barn up over there they can. And all's it would be would they be calling down and get a form and it's a taxable. It's part of your assessment right? So they'll have a fee for that and she gets her and that copy goes to the town assessor and we don't have one book.

Speaker 35: structure. Yeah we can't charge a fee for it.

Speaker 31: I suggest to the select board is to consider agricultural permits or notifications to the AO should be a flat fee of X or whatever. Or an hourly rate of however long it takes. Deb is correct. I spent hours on a basic permit. If somebody comes down with no issues whatsoever and Lori would tell you she used to yell at me all the time I would take the permit.

Speaker 37: Not for you.

Speaker 31: But anyways I walk out the door I go to the location I would look to where it was at and I'm sure there's people in this room that I've been to their house I know there's one for sure and it's like you just go there you have to put eyes on it. If you don't know what you're talking about

Speaker 38: you can't complain.

Speaker 39: I would say four or five hours

Speaker 31: I mean what's that? I'd say four or five hours minimum of the amount of time that we would put it on a basic

Speaker 42: What is a structure?

Speaker 23: What is a structure?

Speaker 18: But is a clothesline a structure?

Speaker 19: that it's not defined. But that's the thing I keep being the planning commission person we talk about this all the time is that the definition of everything I think is the beginning of our bylaws. If we don't have definitions for things then we don't have a leg to stand on and it becomes especially for Deb a great area where she's got to say I think this is what it is but I'm saying you need to be able to say

Speaker 20: this is what these things are.

Speaker 35: Can I

Speaker 35: draw out because that half went up

Speaker 43: but you're getting money here

Speaker 23: that's a civil thing

Speaker 31: you don't need a permit for a fence unless it's over 8 feet and it's like nobody applies there I don't know what you're getting at

Speaker 31: so how small can it be the bylaws are not bylaws but the state laws

Speaker 31: they don't need a permit

Speaker 44: they need a notice

Speaker 19: but you need a notice I'm not trying to argue I'm just saying

Speaker 25: you put a little cover over your well

Speaker 25: examples

Speaker 5: we don't tax that

Speaker 5: I would love to hear from her

Speaker 11: let me look at it in a different way

Speaker 33: that doesn't need to be taxed

Speaker 19: so are we only noticing these things because of

Speaker 45: or something else

Speaker 39: 10 square foot

Speaker 31: our local bylaws indicate what's what then that's what we're working on now supposedly if it's not in the state law then we have to write something that's a little bit stricter and we need to go back and do that

Speaker 19: what gets taxed but if you feel like you still even when things are noticed

Speaker 46: then we can have the discussion

Speaker 19: we still need to fix that part I feel like that's your actual question

Speaker 18: what's a standard

Speaker 47: $350

Speaker 35: with the parcel

Speaker 35: or $30 an hour

Speaker 35: is

Speaker 18: of payment I did propose it

Speaker 11: we'll talk about that

Speaker 22: we don't have that

Speaker 15: we're starting now

Speaker 19: so if we're going to do this notification situation so that we know things are happening to begin with then for her time one I think we need to make sure that the people in town know no matter what you do you need to fill out a permit even if it's called a notification whatever you call it it needs to happen no matter what it is putting up a pool that kind of things that don't technically need permits

Speaker 48: and they don't waste their time

Speaker 19: but if we do state the fact that we want you as a notification to the town this is what you're doing to your property that's a whole different subject and if we say that we need this for you

Speaker 20: to do it

Speaker 18: so that's where I'm having a problem

Speaker 23: and asked how I measured that but there are questionable things

Speaker 18: or something

Speaker 35: and tell them it's gone

Speaker 18: and is there a form for that

Speaker 38: and you guys have

Speaker 31: a lot of issues about permitting and all of that stuff you should come to the planning commission when we're brainstorming on on you know things that you'd like to see changed in the bylaws because we can't think of everything

Speaker 37: I know

Speaker 30: if you think of something

Speaker 18: that's good

Speaker 11: I did I asked the question

Speaker 22: is looking into it

Speaker 36: you don't think of that

Speaker 19: it would be a lot easier just the last thing sorry the whole notification thing I'm back to that I understand but could that not be a way to for your land being taxed and what you're being taxed on could that not be this is under 300 so that whoever is doing our tax evaluation you will not be taxed on this no matter what if that becomes our notification so that when they come down here and they have everything it would stop his greenhouse from being put in there we don't tax them on this we don't even look at it because we're wasting money I think that was also part of the when we had this whole evaluation situation you feel like they were looking at anything that they thought could be taxed they taxed there's nothing to say to them that no you don't tax on these certain things and so if we say that the notification part will help dictate what you get charged in your taxes with I think anyone and everyone will come down and fill one out

Speaker 49: just because

Speaker 46: it's saving their money

Speaker 46: I don't get taxed on it

Speaker 19: and if we're not going to be doing it ourselves which I don't see us ever being able to do it on ourselves that we need to have something to tell whoever's doing this that this is how our taxes are yeah we're not going to go back to that we're lucky to have anybody we're back to the AO needs to have a better structure for how we get paid but I think we also need to help define that for everybody else or we're just going to constantly be doing this over and over and over again

Speaker 22: and movable

Speaker 21: but above ground we can pay

Speaker 18: they're taxable

Speaker 35: I don't know

Speaker 50: taking over the tennis courts

Speaker 5: the VPR

Speaker 35: but there's no fee

Speaker 31: conditional use conditional use

Speaker 51: but what about

Speaker 31: I can't do it

Speaker 19: what is it for going to the

Speaker 31: so we should start charging a fee too with the planning commission

Speaker 51: or do

Speaker 36: you always be into

Speaker 22: could be a yeah

Speaker 11: we can't think of it right now

Speaker 31: we can't think of it right now what's that

Speaker 37: a church into a residence

Speaker 5: which is really conditional use

Speaker 18: it should be the same

Speaker 35: commercial fees

Speaker 35: I'm going to build a house

Speaker 31: here's my million dollar house and here's your 200 bucks I think if it's a commercial

Speaker 52: and it's a business

Speaker 19: that should be something we don't even have that kind of structure in our town it's difficult

Speaker 11: conditional use

Speaker 31: the thing is though when you're talking about conditional use you just named a bunch of things right

Speaker 39: so you better define it

Speaker 31: yeah I mean those three names that you just mentioned

Speaker 11: into a store

Speaker 31: that's called a home occupation but if another bill box came in or something that would be

Speaker 11: see what happens

Speaker 22: got to make a motion

Speaker 6: get that going

Speaker 36: why not

Speaker 22: how did we miss that

Speaker 31: that's true when we're looking for bylaws I've downloaded I don't know how many bylaws and let me tell you something we ain't alone

Speaker 19: that's what I'm saying they don't ask the questions and sometimes people don't show up and so I mean you can do whatever you want

Speaker 19: you are bound by the state I'm just saying in general

Speaker 31: one thing we've got to eliminate and it's like I fought for it the whole time I was VAO and that's what's good for you it's good for him right and it's like don't do that because I don't like that person that stuff is not happening no more thank god

Speaker 31: oh it happened when I was here

Speaker 19: do we need a motion on that thing?

Speaker 19: motion to let Nancy sign when the time happens

Speaker 47: yes

Speaker 53: so I have that for our files

Speaker 30: ready to go again since January

Speaker 11: so read them off

Speaker 22: fifty dollars

Speaker 54: let's send him a letter

Speaker 11: municipality that owes us money it will go to the civil court

Speaker 20: that are not paying our taxes

Speaker 19: but if you allow it to go that far that you're actually being paid you're getting fined have you not now done it to yourself and so responsibility states have done this it's not our fault

Speaker 11: the state makes the students

Speaker 11: why do we have any laws at all

Speaker 22: it will go to the civil

Speaker 19: plead their case you didn't leave doesn't mean you're off the hook now

Speaker 19: once you got to the point where you're being fined it's your own stupidity I'm sorry you know this from the beginning when we first send you the note please come down and register your dogs how many dogs do we usually register

Speaker 55: 300 something like that

Speaker 22: he didn't die

Speaker 11: so Joyce doesn't have to go up and feed him

Speaker 22: 6 o'clock

Speaker 35: there you go

Speaker 56: it's too expensive

Speaker 54: don't count on the mail

Speaker 31: it adds up quick what about the people that our mortgage company is paying

Speaker 31: to make sure they're paid

Speaker 37: and get a check down

Speaker 4: give Lori a check the day of

Speaker 57: slam my mortgage company

Speaker 31: everybody's merging

Speaker 11: are we all set then

Speaker 53: I'm not quite set

Speaker 54: I said look

Speaker 47: whether or not you're

Speaker 19: but then again the rule being that you can replace but you cannot if you have an empty spot you can't put somebody in there so this is a replacing situation the governor's got to do it but by can't they replace it it's insane

Speaker 22: and say whoa we didn't know

Speaker 11: stop it we don't have anybody else

Speaker 19: oh for day peace nobody else came forward I don't care

Speaker 45: we would have sent the names in

Speaker 30: period done

Speaker 19: anything else it started with Sally motion to adjourn

Speaker 22: I didn't ask you any discussion

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