1 00:00:00,370 --> 00:00:11,869 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for 2 00:00:11,869 --> 00:00:18,870 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 3 00:00:18,870 --> 00:00:26,890 Welcome to a meeting of the Stanford Select Board. 4 00:00:26,890 --> 00:00:31,890 If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, you may do so by addressing 5 00:00:31,890 --> 00:00:34,890 the chairperson and stating your name and address. 6 00:00:34,890 --> 00:00:38,890 You will notice that all our meetings are recorded, and this is to aid with the summarization 7 00:00:38,890 --> 00:00:39,890 of the minutes. 8 00:00:39,890 --> 00:00:46,890 Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and 15 minutes per topic. 9 00:00:46,890 --> 00:00:50,890 Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others. 10 00:00:50,890 --> 00:00:52,890 Select coordinators present are... 11 00:00:52,890 --> 00:00:53,890 Mike Duran. 12 00:00:53,890 --> 00:00:54,890 Nancy Peschica. 13 00:00:54,890 --> 00:00:56,890 Chair Gremlin. 14 00:00:56,890 --> 00:01:00,890 Will there be any adding of items or removing items from tonight's agenda? 15 00:01:00,890 --> 00:01:01,890 Yes. 16 00:01:01,890 --> 00:01:02,890 I have some new... 17 00:01:02,890 --> 00:01:03,890 Okay. 18 00:01:03,890 --> 00:01:06,739 I want to talk about the dogs list. 19 00:01:06,739 --> 00:01:07,739 Dog list. 20 00:01:07,739 --> 00:01:08,739 Okay. 21 00:01:08,739 --> 00:01:09,810 And the request for proposal for reappraisal. 22 00:01:09,810 --> 00:01:10,810 Yeah. 23 00:01:10,810 --> 00:01:11,810 And I think that... 24 00:01:11,810 --> 00:01:12,810 I think that was it. 25 00:01:12,810 --> 00:01:13,810 Did you want to add me at the end? 26 00:01:13,810 --> 00:01:14,939 Finance. 27 00:01:14,939 --> 00:01:15,939 Permitting. 28 00:01:15,939 --> 00:01:16,939 Permitting. 29 00:01:16,939 --> 00:01:17,939 Fees. 30 00:01:17,939 --> 00:01:18,939 Okay. 31 00:01:18,939 --> 00:01:19,939 Executive session for... 32 00:01:19,939 --> 00:01:20,939 Well, fees don't have anything to do with it. 33 00:01:20,939 --> 00:01:21,939 Okay. 34 00:01:21,939 --> 00:01:22,939 Thank you. 35 00:01:22,939 --> 00:01:23,939 Thank you. 36 00:01:23,939 --> 00:01:24,939 Thank you. 37 00:01:24,939 --> 00:01:25,939 Thank you. 38 00:01:25,939 --> 00:01:26,939 Thank you. 39 00:01:26,939 --> 00:01:27,939 Thank you. 40 00:01:27,939 --> 00:01:28,939 Thank you. 41 00:01:28,939 --> 00:01:29,939 Thank you. 42 00:01:29,939 --> 00:01:30,939 Thank you. 43 00:01:30,939 --> 00:01:31,939 Thank you. 44 00:01:31,939 --> 00:01:32,939 Thank you. 45 00:01:32,939 --> 00:01:33,939 Thank you. 46 00:01:33,939 --> 00:01:34,939 Thank you. 47 00:01:34,939 --> 00:01:35,939 Thank you. 48 00:01:35,939 --> 00:01:36,939 Thank you. 49 00:01:36,939 --> 00:01:37,939 Thank you. 50 00:01:37,939 --> 00:01:39,480 Thank you. 51 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,150 Okay. 52 00:01:41,150 --> 00:01:42,150 No, no, no. 53 00:01:42,150 --> 00:01:43,150 No. 54 00:01:43,150 --> 00:01:44,500 No. 55 00:01:44,500 --> 00:01:45,500 No. 56 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:46,500 No. 57 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:47,500 No. 58 00:01:47,500 --> 00:01:48,500 No. 59 00:01:48,500 --> 00:01:49,500 We don't need the executive. 60 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:50,500 Fees, okay. 61 00:01:50,500 --> 00:01:52,079 Fees... 62 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:53,269 You want to do it in the hearing of visitors? 63 00:01:53,269 --> 00:01:54,269 Oh. 64 00:01:54,269 --> 00:01:55,269 It doesn't matter. 65 00:01:55,269 --> 00:01:56,269 It doesn't matter. 66 00:01:56,269 --> 00:01:57,269 Okay. 67 00:01:57,269 --> 00:01:58,269 All right. 68 00:01:58,269 --> 00:01:59,430 All right. 69 00:01:59,430 --> 00:02:00,430 Why don't we wait until we get into the meeting a little bit? 70 00:02:00,430 --> 00:02:01,430 Absolutely. 71 00:02:01,430 --> 00:02:02,430 Okay. 72 00:02:02,430 --> 00:02:03,430 Hearing of visitors. 73 00:02:03,430 --> 00:02:04,430 Lisa. 74 00:02:04,430 --> 00:02:05,430 I'm here to report on the... 75 00:02:05,430 --> 00:02:11,370 we had Laura Ranker she's a water source protection specialist from the agency of 76 00:02:11,370 --> 00:02:16,620 natural resources come down to speak to us she gave a good two-hour solid 77 00:02:16,620 --> 00:02:22,139 presentation so we did a lot of digging and deep dive into water sources you 78 00:02:22,139 --> 00:02:27,419 know water sheds and whatnot and source water in case you don't know is that 79 00:02:27,419 --> 00:02:31,199 what's considered the public water so like the school is a public considered 80 00:02:31,199 --> 00:02:35,819 public water because it has more than 25 people and the golf course is the 81 00:02:35,819 --> 00:02:40,020 other one in town so that's what the source water is and it comes with its own 82 00:02:40,020 --> 00:02:44,580 set of protections but we did discuss others this water specifically to 83 00:02:44,580 --> 00:02:52,719 Stanford and if you want to watch it it's on Jim's YouTube channel we also 84 00:02:52,719 --> 00:02:57,000 invited the conservation Commission and three members of the conservation 85 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,740 Commission came to that as well which was nice so we're taking that 86 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,500 in conjunction what we learned from the town surveys about the town largely 87 00:03:05,500 --> 00:03:11,080 wanting to preserve the natural characteristics of our town and we're 88 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,580 putting that together with the idea of people being concerned about additional 89 00:03:15,580 --> 00:03:22,020 tax burdens and as we're investigating our town plan we're looking at how to 90 00:03:22,020 --> 00:03:27,460 protect best protect our water sources in town we'll get the cost of a water 91 00:03:27,460 --> 00:03:30,699 system or waste blood systems we're really thinking to what that would cost 92 00:03:30,699 --> 00:03:31,759 us in terms of 93 00:03:32,199 --> 00:03:36,360 installation and maintenance and that would require things like managers and 94 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,460 inspectors and we have to have an emergency plan and things like that so 95 00:03:41,460 --> 00:03:46,240 all of that you can take into consideration and so we're just looking 96 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:51,680 into all of that and the fragility of our natural environment 97 00:03:53,120 --> 00:04:00,810 I mean it was a super comprehensive and really illuminating look at essentially 98 00:04:00,810 --> 00:04:01,810 just kind of the 99 00:04:01,810 --> 00:04:02,229 inter- 100 00:04:02,229 --> 00:04:02,270 inter- 101 00:04:02,270 --> 00:04:11,409 connectedness of all the versions of water that we all rely on. And she gave a really 102 00:04:11,409 --> 00:04:16,310 good, you know, there were diagrams and we have all the stuff if anybody's like, I'd 103 00:04:16,310 --> 00:04:23,829 like to see the whole presentation, we have it. But essentially just, you know, just how 104 00:04:23,829 --> 00:04:32,170 every single part of our water system affects everything else. And it just felt like something 105 00:04:32,170 --> 00:04:40,300 to really plan around, especially because the consensus from, you know, the town survey 106 00:04:40,300 --> 00:04:46,379 that we put out, a lot of people were talking about water and wanting to protect our water 107 00:04:46,379 --> 00:04:53,470 and the reality that having clean water to drink is like gold. 108 00:04:53,589 --> 00:04:53,910 Basic, essential. 109 00:04:54,149 --> 00:05:01,610 It's basic, it's essential. And so I just was really like kind of happy and, you know, 110 00:05:03,129 --> 00:05:09,310 feel much more deeply understanding of the whole thing that, you know, deserves consideration 111 00:05:09,310 --> 00:05:18,449 as we go forward. So, yeah, it was a great presentation. And, you know, I think obviously, 112 00:05:18,449 --> 00:05:26,069 you know, there's a push from the state for more development and, you know, we have our 113 00:05:26,069 --> 00:05:32,629 town has our own reasons why it really has to be balanced very carefully with the finances 114 00:05:32,629 --> 00:05:33,750 that would be in. 115 00:05:34,310 --> 00:05:43,660 And also just the desirability of what any system would then yield and how, again, everything 116 00:05:43,660 --> 00:05:49,819 affects everything else. So it was, it was, it was quite great. I recommend it. Or even 117 00:05:49,819 --> 00:05:56,120 just read the minutes. Because there's a, there's a great sort of bullet points of a 118 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,490 lot of things that she brought up. And yeah, if you have questions, ask us. 119 00:06:00,990 --> 00:06:04,449 Thank you. Do you have a comment on the water situation? 120 00:06:04,569 --> 00:06:10,410 I wanted to thank the conservation, I mean, excuse me, the planning commission for avoiding the conservation. 121 00:06:11,470 --> 00:06:12,589 It was very nice of them. 122 00:06:14,129 --> 00:06:19,149 Anytime I hear my name mentioned in meetings, and I've heard my name mentioned twice in the last few weeks, 123 00:06:19,149 --> 00:06:25,329 you're going to see me because when false information comes through, I have to come in here and defend myself. 124 00:06:25,329 --> 00:06:31,629 But the bottom line simply is the conservation committee has been looking at water for over a year and a half, 125 00:06:31,730 --> 00:06:34,410 and I've been looking at water long before. 126 00:06:34,410 --> 00:06:43,589 I know as far as this town is concerned, it's the number one issue we have in terms of the school and the center of town. 127 00:06:43,889 --> 00:06:45,970 We have multiple failing septic systems. 128 00:06:46,310 --> 00:06:47,689 Many of them are going into the river. 129 00:06:48,250 --> 00:06:50,029 Many where I live go into the river. 130 00:06:51,310 --> 00:07:00,509 And they're talking about the state coming down and saying, oh, these are natural eco-virus resources that have been polluted for 75 years. 131 00:07:00,889 --> 00:07:03,009 You'll never get a clean water out of them. 132 00:07:03,430 --> 00:07:04,529 We have gravel beds. 133 00:07:04,670 --> 00:07:06,089 They're flowing in from the Round Brook. 134 00:07:06,490 --> 00:07:15,110 We just okayed a gravel bed that stayed open 45 years ago, and then Mr. Laura came in and wanted to do a housing development. 135 00:07:15,430 --> 00:07:16,990 I was part of that, and we approved it. 136 00:07:17,610 --> 00:07:28,250 But this time they came in and they wanted to recycle asbestos, brick, paint, things that came in from other ends. 137 00:07:29,399 --> 00:07:31,839 Fortunately, we caught it and said that's not going to happen. 138 00:07:32,540 --> 00:07:35,120 You're not going to grind in the stuff near the river. 139 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:59,879 When here we are trying to, you know, find clean aquifers, which really don't exist other than up the mountains where people are building left and right, but we do have good water resources, one that we've had for 150 years called Broad Brook, and there's Stamford Pond, and there's other things that are untouched right now by sewer that would make a great resource for this town. 140 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,980 I heard during the meeting that somebody said Dave Selvo said there's... 141 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:11,660 Their board is, you know, looking to put in a municipal water system. 142 00:08:12,389 --> 00:08:13,550 That's probably correct. 143 00:08:14,029 --> 00:08:21,110 Our board has been looking at information, which I have here, which I gave to the planning commission. 144 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:24,420 What did you give us? 145 00:08:25,060 --> 00:08:30,060 What's Pam Ford, she was supposed to send copies, she didn't. 146 00:08:30,620 --> 00:08:32,659 I'll send it again, I have it right here. 147 00:08:32,659 --> 00:08:35,600 Essentially, the bottom line in all of this is simple. 148 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:42,899 I started putting septic systems in at 16 years old, and it was my first job on the way, I had to put in septic. 149 00:08:42,899 --> 00:08:55,899 And when I built my house, I built the first mound system in Stamford, I have enough thousand square feet of septic systems you could put a hotel there to protect the water going across the road. 150 00:08:55,899 --> 00:09:04,940 Unfortunately for me, everybody has diverted the water to my property, and it stays like a culvert's plot above the road. 151 00:09:04,940 --> 00:09:05,940 So I give up. 152 00:09:05,940 --> 00:09:14,940 I give all that water, which goes across my land, that I have an agreement with the state here, when I bought it, that I have to keep that swell open to the world. 153 00:09:16,129 --> 00:09:19,129 I can make them do it, but I'd rather do it myself. 154 00:09:19,129 --> 00:09:24,129 And I've done it for years, because I do, believe it or not, I do mow it and hay it. 155 00:09:24,129 --> 00:09:27,129 It's just, my tractor broke down, I was sick, I didn't get to do it. 156 00:09:27,129 --> 00:09:34,129 So the bottom line is, my research, just so you guys, they say a municipal water system, 157 00:09:36,220 --> 00:09:41,220 a septic system, a septic system could cost anywhere from $11 to $20 million. 158 00:09:41,220 --> 00:09:44,220 I'm talking about for this little area here. 159 00:09:44,220 --> 00:09:47,220 A water system, $800,000. 160 00:09:47,220 --> 00:09:58,799 So if you can find the right spring, the right source that you can tap into, the state of Vermont has this going on with several small towns. 161 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:04,799 They're willing to fund this and also help maintain 80%. 162 00:10:04,799 --> 00:10:05,799 So people can do it. 163 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:09,120 So people stop polluting the rivers. 164 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:16,220 The town can start taking care of the septic systems that are, you know, basically all failed, including wells. 165 00:10:16,220 --> 00:10:19,220 And, you know, get proper stuff. 166 00:10:19,220 --> 00:10:22,220 So that's as far as I've gotten with it. 167 00:10:22,220 --> 00:10:28,600 Our goal on the conservation committee, you know, since I've been on all the boards, I know how this goes. 168 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,889 We gather the information. 169 00:10:31,889 --> 00:10:35,889 We decide, you know, this is a important role for the conservation. 170 00:10:35,889 --> 00:10:37,889 We're doing exactly what we should be doing. 171 00:10:37,889 --> 00:10:46,429 Once we find everything, we present it to the select board to say, are you interested in us pursuing this further? 172 00:10:46,429 --> 00:10:49,429 Or do you want to hand it to the planning commission? 173 00:10:49,429 --> 00:10:56,429 I just assumed that the planning commission, doing zoning ordinances, doing the town plan, had their hands full. 174 00:10:56,429 --> 00:11:01,429 So when I was basically asked to leave it, I said, well, I can take it. 175 00:11:01,429 --> 00:11:04,429 I can work on this with the conservation. 176 00:11:04,429 --> 00:11:05,429 Two big things here. 177 00:11:05,429 --> 00:11:06,429 We'll be gone. 178 00:11:06,429 --> 00:11:07,429 You'll be gone. 179 00:11:07,429 --> 00:11:08,429 I'll be gone. 180 00:11:08,429 --> 00:11:14,879 This school is like a step away from the state coming down and saying, you're done. 181 00:11:14,879 --> 00:11:16,879 You don't have clean water here. 182 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:18,879 And the sewer is full again. 183 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:22,879 That has been an ongoing issue since I've been in town for 50 years. 184 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:33,639 So we should be looking at how we can either get a water supply, which will resolve it, or build another section. 185 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:37,639 If we were going to do a septic system, I would think, you know, it's going to be a lot of work. 186 00:11:37,639 --> 00:11:45,669 I think that we would, in itself, we'd grab a fee into the driving range on the right-hand side. 187 00:11:45,669 --> 00:11:50,669 That big open field would be big enough to accommodate these 20 houses. 188 00:11:50,669 --> 00:11:52,769 And probably going up. 189 00:11:52,769 --> 00:11:54,769 Mill Road a bit, and then Judson Road. 190 00:11:54,769 --> 00:12:03,769 And then you have the golf course, which would be another ideal situation because they own land, you know, way past the golf course. 191 00:12:03,769 --> 00:12:06,769 If they wanted to bring in some condos or something. 192 00:12:06,769 --> 00:12:12,769 They would have to put a big municipal system in to handle that, which would take care of the town. 193 00:12:12,769 --> 00:12:14,769 So there's a lot of things that could be. 194 00:12:14,769 --> 00:12:16,769 These are just thoughts. 195 00:12:16,769 --> 00:12:18,769 I'm not advocating for anything. 196 00:12:18,769 --> 00:12:27,769 One thing I'm not advocating for is for us to have to bear the burden when the state comes and says, no go. 197 00:12:27,769 --> 00:12:29,769 You're going to bring in a water system. 198 00:12:29,769 --> 00:12:30,769 And you're going to pay for it. 199 00:12:30,769 --> 00:12:33,769 And the taxpayers are going to have to do it. 200 00:12:33,769 --> 00:12:35,769 And I appreciate it. 201 00:12:35,769 --> 00:12:41,769 I appreciate the concerns about wetlands class 2 and whatever. 202 00:12:41,769 --> 00:12:45,769 I heard Kurt mention that I was legally digging on the property. 203 00:12:45,769 --> 00:12:53,769 Kurt doesn't understand that wetlands class 2 that had farming activity, which this one does, is not accepted. 204 00:12:53,769 --> 00:12:55,769 And I can give you all the records. 205 00:12:55,769 --> 00:12:58,769 And you know this. 206 00:12:58,769 --> 00:13:00,769 As long as I'm not in the room. 207 00:13:00,769 --> 00:13:02,769 You know what I'm saying? 208 00:13:02,769 --> 00:13:04,769 I agree with you. 209 00:13:04,769 --> 00:13:09,769 I'm trying to get that swell across my feet. 210 00:13:09,769 --> 00:13:10,769 Dave, I talked to the state. 211 00:13:10,769 --> 00:13:14,769 They told me that you mentioned the culverts coming across Route 100. 212 00:13:14,769 --> 00:13:17,769 Every time they have a problem with that, they just discontinue them. 213 00:13:17,769 --> 00:13:19,769 They don't replace them. 214 00:13:19,769 --> 00:13:24,769 So down by my building down there, right by Bobby Costings, there used to be a culvert there. 215 00:13:24,769 --> 00:13:25,769 Absolutely. 216 00:13:25,769 --> 00:13:26,769 They discontinued it. 217 00:13:26,769 --> 00:13:30,769 You can see the water is still there between my place and Bobby's. 218 00:13:30,769 --> 00:13:31,769 It goes down. 219 00:13:31,769 --> 00:13:32,769 The ditch gets bigger and bigger. 220 00:13:32,769 --> 00:13:33,769 But there's no culvert there. 221 00:13:33,769 --> 00:13:38,769 And then it comes across the property now instead of going to the river. 222 00:13:38,769 --> 00:13:39,769 Floods the back. 223 00:13:39,769 --> 00:13:42,769 It goes into the other culvert that is also locked. 224 00:13:42,769 --> 00:13:45,769 And he said they're supposed to clean those. 225 00:13:45,769 --> 00:13:46,769 They put them in. 226 00:13:46,769 --> 00:13:47,769 Just like down here. 227 00:13:47,769 --> 00:13:48,769 They're supposed to. 228 00:13:48,769 --> 00:13:54,769 But again, they don't have the manpower to do it just like anything else. 229 00:13:54,769 --> 00:13:57,769 So you're right. 230 00:13:57,769 --> 00:14:00,769 You can maintain your own water. 231 00:14:00,769 --> 00:14:01,769 Your drink. 232 00:14:01,769 --> 00:14:02,769 Take your maple syrup. 233 00:14:02,769 --> 00:14:03,769 And cut lumber. 234 00:14:03,769 --> 00:14:04,769 I got a question for you. 235 00:14:04,769 --> 00:14:05,769 Go ahead. 236 00:14:05,769 --> 00:14:06,769 You mentioned 80%. 237 00:14:06,769 --> 00:14:07,769 You said the state would pay 80%. 238 00:14:07,769 --> 00:14:08,769 Yeah. 239 00:14:08,769 --> 00:14:10,059 I'm a numbers guy. 240 00:14:10,059 --> 00:14:11,059 I like money. 241 00:14:11,059 --> 00:14:12,059 I like saving. 242 00:14:12,059 --> 00:14:13,059 No, go ahead. 243 00:14:13,059 --> 00:14:14,059 I agree. 244 00:14:14,059 --> 00:14:15,059 If they gave us 80% of these numbers you mentioned, and then you said they would continue to maintain it, the first question I would say is, how long? 245 00:14:15,059 --> 00:14:16,059 How long would you maintain it? 246 00:14:16,059 --> 00:14:17,059 You would have to ask that. 247 00:14:17,059 --> 00:14:18,059 That would be a concern. 248 00:14:18,059 --> 00:14:19,059 I don't know. 249 00:14:19,059 --> 00:14:20,059 I don't know. 250 00:14:20,059 --> 00:14:21,059 I don't know. 251 00:14:21,059 --> 00:14:22,059 I don't know. 252 00:14:22,059 --> 00:14:23,059 I don't know. 253 00:14:23,059 --> 00:14:24,059 I don't know. 254 00:14:24,059 --> 00:14:25,059 I don't know. 255 00:14:25,059 --> 00:14:26,059 I don't know. 256 00:14:26,059 --> 00:14:27,059 I don't know. 257 00:14:27,059 --> 00:14:28,059 I don't know. 258 00:14:28,059 --> 00:14:29,059 I don't know. 259 00:14:29,059 --> 00:14:30,059 I don't know. 260 00:14:30,059 --> 00:14:31,059 I don't know. 261 00:14:31,059 --> 00:14:32,059 I don't know. 262 00:14:32,059 --> 00:14:33,059 I don't know. 263 00:14:33,059 --> 00:14:34,059 I don't know. 264 00:14:34,059 --> 00:14:35,059 I don't know. 265 00:14:35,059 --> 00:14:36,059 I don't know. 266 00:14:36,059 --> 00:14:37,059 I don't know. 267 00:14:37,059 --> 00:14:38,059 I don't know. 268 00:14:38,059 --> 00:14:39,059 How long would you maintain it? 269 00:14:39,059 --> 00:14:40,059 You would have to ask that. 270 00:14:40,059 --> 00:14:41,059 That would be a concern down the road because I've seen systems get put in. 271 00:14:41,059 --> 00:14:42,059 This is a good question. 272 00:14:42,059 --> 00:14:43,059 I'm from Clarksburg, and they messed up so bad down there. 273 00:14:43,059 --> 00:14:44,059 Oh, yeah. 274 00:14:44,059 --> 00:14:45,059 They had an 80% deal. 275 00:14:45,059 --> 00:14:46,059 They said no. 276 00:14:46,059 --> 00:14:47,059 They always stuck into them. 277 00:14:47,059 --> 00:14:48,059 And up at 20% when they were all done. 278 00:14:48,059 --> 00:14:50,059 I should have Laura copy this off for you. 279 00:14:50,059 --> 00:14:53,500 Um, it goes into great detail. 280 00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:54,500 That's okay. 281 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:55,500 Yeah, yeah. 282 00:14:55,500 --> 00:14:56,500 And it gets into it. 283 00:14:56,500 --> 00:14:57,500 Yeah. 284 00:14:57,500 --> 00:15:01,340 has the extra yeah that's right we don't have to go right now because like i said it's in the baby 285 00:15:01,340 --> 00:15:05,820 stages yeah yeah right you know you said nancy won't be here if you won't be here but i probably 286 00:15:05,820 --> 00:15:12,620 won't be either you know probably two or three people here right right you gotta still keep 287 00:15:12,620 --> 00:15:16,940 working on it and get as much information as you can you know me i don't get dog and see if it goes 288 00:15:19,340 --> 00:15:24,620 what happens with these systems and again i'm not against it at all i agree with you i used 289 00:15:24,620 --> 00:15:30,539 to fish this river all the time i know which which sewer systems are failing a lot okay all 290 00:15:30,539 --> 00:15:39,340 the way down to the north north yeah so but the the state puts these things in place they do offer 291 00:15:39,340 --> 00:15:45,740 the money and that's when the town should take it if they can but then they they seem to bail out 292 00:15:45,740 --> 00:15:49,259 and then the town then they take tell the taxpayers we're not going to raise your tax 293 00:15:49,259 --> 00:15:54,620 especially in mass we got a two and a half percent uh override so they don't vote they 294 00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:59,899 added so they put a sewer tax in they call it a fee instead of the word tax and now these people 295 00:15:59,899 --> 00:16:06,460 got paid double what they were told so i always want to make sure we look at that first they got 296 00:16:06,460 --> 00:16:11,820 into that part this would only be for 20 households yeah or the 30 households in town 297 00:16:11,820 --> 00:16:18,950 yeah you set up an organization yeah through the fire department yep yep and there's no 298 00:16:19,830 --> 00:16:24,309 the state picks up the fee to get it done and yeah the thing interesting thing about this 299 00:16:24,309 --> 00:16:24,710 article 300 00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:31,509 is they have so many towns i mean reevesboro was gifted yankee atomic yes so they went in and 301 00:16:32,070 --> 00:16:36,470 modernized everything right now we have to look at the fuel rods from the next 302 00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:40,230 our life because they can't get rid of them that almost washed down because i 303 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:47,659 we have a lot of problems marta um i just wanted to say that the planning commission welcomes any 304 00:16:47,659 --> 00:16:53,580 research that you do um it's you know it's instrumental and important for us to get as much 305 00:16:53,740 --> 00:17:01,000 information as you dig up and hate has its own chart that we have to report so so if you want to 306 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,179 work 307 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:07,740 with the conservation committee that's right that's not what has been indicted over the last 308 00:17:07,740 --> 00:17:13,509 four years well i'm just here to say that we welcome any information that you find and vice 309 00:17:13,509 --> 00:17:20,150 versa well that's why we invited you to learn i know i think laura learned a lot too okay dave i was 310 00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:21,009 a with the school a little while ago and with the college disease out of focus a little bit so i 311 00:17:21,009 --> 00:17:21,509 think i was a former operator at that time at the college university so i think i would go deeper if 312 00:17:21,509 --> 00:17:21,829 they were i'm really not going to go because we know clearly enough that every area of the state does 313 00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:22,210 irreversibly better than progressive development and KE', e, art ages forih trapping and disagreeing with the 314 00:17:22,210 --> 00:17:22,849 conversation right there's there'sை. decreased the power gap between management and the 315 00:17:22,849 --> 00:17:23,509 business environment as compared to general susceptibility right now particularly about the 316 00:17:23,509 --> 00:17:28,509 of wastewater and wastewater treatment plants in St. Vermont. 317 00:17:28,509 --> 00:17:36,049 And I appreciate as much information as we can get on this. 318 00:17:36,049 --> 00:17:42,049 I think we also should look into what can we do to avoid it from happening. 319 00:17:42,049 --> 00:17:46,049 I think that's more important than installing a system. 320 00:17:46,049 --> 00:17:50,049 There's a lot that goes into maintaining these systems. 321 00:17:50,049 --> 00:17:51,049 And that's where planning comes in. 322 00:17:51,049 --> 00:17:56,299 Way above and beyond. 323 00:17:56,299 --> 00:18:02,299 50 years down the road on this tennis court, they're coming and inspecting things, 324 00:18:02,299 --> 00:18:06,299 wondering what's going on with the $7,000 we gave us. 325 00:18:06,299 --> 00:18:07,299 In 1974. 326 00:18:07,299 --> 00:18:12,299 I can only imagine the oversight on that. 327 00:18:12,299 --> 00:18:13,299 Just my two cents. 328 00:18:13,299 --> 00:18:15,299 I'm not saying yes or no. 329 00:18:15,299 --> 00:18:21,420 But I believe the best solution is to try to not have that happen. 330 00:18:21,420 --> 00:18:22,420 And... 331 00:18:22,420 --> 00:18:28,420 You know, a service water system like Stanford Pond, you're going to be treating that with chemicals. 332 00:18:28,420 --> 00:18:33,710 I'm guessing that most people are not going to drink that water. 333 00:18:33,710 --> 00:18:40,700 I think that the sewer, you know, the wastewater is probably more important as far as... 334 00:18:40,700 --> 00:18:43,700 You know, more practical, I would say. 335 00:18:43,700 --> 00:18:45,700 Right? 336 00:18:45,700 --> 00:18:47,700 Not by cost, Dave. 337 00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:48,700 Not by cost. 338 00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:50,700 We're talking $800,000 to $10,000. 339 00:18:50,700 --> 00:18:52,700 I wonder what it would take. 340 00:18:52,700 --> 00:18:54,700 This is inter... 341 00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:56,700 You know, joint state. 342 00:18:56,700 --> 00:19:01,700 If we could go all the way down and hook into Clark Square's sewer system. 343 00:19:01,700 --> 00:19:04,700 Or if that would just be a crazy idea. 344 00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:05,700 No. 345 00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:06,700 I thought of it before. 346 00:19:06,700 --> 00:19:07,700 It's all downhill. 347 00:19:07,700 --> 00:19:08,700 It's all downhill. 348 00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:09,700 But then you've got to... 349 00:19:09,700 --> 00:19:11,700 You know what they say. 350 00:19:11,700 --> 00:19:15,700 I guess my point was, you're not going to drink that water. 351 00:19:15,700 --> 00:19:16,700 Right, right. 352 00:19:16,700 --> 00:19:17,700 Yeah. 353 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:18,700 No, I agree with you. 354 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:20,700 I've seen the North End sewer system shut down. 355 00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:21,700 They're done. 356 00:19:21,700 --> 00:19:22,700 They go to Williamstown now. 357 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:23,700 I've fixed... 358 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:24,700 Trust me. 359 00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:29,799 One of my worst favorite jobs is going in and change the shafts in the packs. 360 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:30,799 Yeah. 361 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:31,799 Yeah. 362 00:19:31,799 --> 00:19:32,799 You know, there's testing all the time. 363 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:33,799 There's reports. 364 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:34,799 And they're going to dictate to you what's going to go on forever. 365 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:35,799 Yeah. 366 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:36,799 I know when the house does sell. 367 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:37,799 That's when we find out that the sewer systems failed. 368 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:38,799 I bought my house up here and Chetty put the dye in. 369 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:39,799 It came out. 370 00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:40,799 Yeah. 371 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:41,799 Yeah. 372 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:42,799 Chetty put the dye in. 373 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:43,799 Chetty put the dye in. 374 00:19:43,799 --> 00:19:44,799 Chetty put the dye in. 375 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:45,799 Chetty put the dye in. 376 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:46,799 Chetty put the dye in. 377 00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:47,799 Chetty put the dye in. 378 00:19:47,799 --> 00:19:48,799 Chetty put the dye in. 379 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:49,799 Chetty put the dye in. 380 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:50,799 Chetty put the dye in. 381 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:51,799 Chetty put the dye in. 382 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:52,799 Chetty put the dye in. 383 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:53,799 Chetty put the dye in. 384 00:19:53,799 --> 00:19:54,799 Chetty put the dye in. 385 00:19:54,799 --> 00:19:55,799 Chetty put the dye in. 386 00:19:55,799 --> 00:19:56,799 Chetty put the dye in. 387 00:19:56,799 --> 00:19:57,799 Chetty put the dye in the tank. 388 00:19:57,799 --> 00:19:58,799 Yeah. 389 00:19:58,799 --> 00:19:59,799 Yeah. 390 00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:00,799 Chetty put the dye in mine, it came out on the lawn. 391 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:01,799 I mean, within seconds. 392 00:20:01,799 --> 00:20:02,799 He goes, that's not good. 393 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:03,799 We dug it up and it was a steel tank and it was not enough to bring it to the scrapyard. 394 00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:04,799 That's not a bad idea. 395 00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:05,799 I'll disagree with you. 396 00:20:05,799 --> 00:20:06,799 Dave, I'm not advocating... 397 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:07,799 Okay. 398 00:20:07,799 --> 00:20:08,799 One last thing and then we're moving on. 399 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:09,799 Okay. 400 00:20:09,799 --> 00:20:10,799 Okay. 401 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:11,799 Yep. 402 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:12,799 Go ahead. 403 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:13,799 I'm not advocating for a wastewater treatment plant. 404 00:20:13,799 --> 00:20:18,799 The only reason I brought it up was to show you the expense difference, $10 million versus $800,000. 405 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:23,799 I also wanted to say that I have some of the best water in Vermont. 406 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:28,799 My spring in the future, that home and the other people I've had tested every which way, 407 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:32,799 you know, working as an engineer in GE and, you know, I've done it all. 408 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:37,799 I can see it now. Selbo Springs. 409 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:42,799 My only point is I believe there are water sources a lot closer 410 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:45,799 as long as we stop building a bottle. 411 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:50,799 You know, when everything's going into the river, we're not getting houses down next to the river with oil tanks. 412 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:54,799 Or we got an oil tank down here that hasn't ever needed anything. 413 00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:56,799 How are you going to put a water system in there? 414 00:20:56,799 --> 00:20:59,799 Right. That's what Dave said. Yeah, that makes sense. 415 00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:02,799 I'm sorry. That's my point. It's avoidance. 416 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:06,799 Ignorating the minutes and 80 years from now as we go back and say, 417 00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:08,799 boy, we should have listened to that guy. 418 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:11,799 Because it's not going to get easier. 419 00:21:11,799 --> 00:21:12,799 I mean, I've been... 420 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:15,799 I've been out of this now for, like, 20 years. 421 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:17,799 But 20 years ago was an absolute nightmare. 422 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:21,799 I can't imagine it's gotten any easier to run one of these systems. 423 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:24,799 Okay. I know we're not going to... 424 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:26,799 I know we're not going to solve this tonight. 425 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:27,799 No. 426 00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:28,799 But you've got to keep working on it. 427 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:29,799 Yeah. 428 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:30,799 Bring the information forward. 429 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:31,799 Information. 430 00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:32,799 Yep. 431 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:33,799 I just have one question. 432 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:35,930 Sorry. 433 00:21:35,930 --> 00:21:38,250 No, I'm just kidding. 434 00:21:38,250 --> 00:21:39,250 What's that? 435 00:21:39,250 --> 00:21:42,250 I was looking at Nancy. 436 00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:49,250 Are there programs out there, grants, for people who do have a failed septic system? 437 00:21:49,250 --> 00:21:54,250 Rather than say, oh, gee, you know, I could still flush my toilet, but I don't... 438 00:21:54,250 --> 00:21:56,250 Not state money. Laura said no. 439 00:21:56,250 --> 00:22:00,250 No. No. I didn't remember hearing that. Okay. 440 00:22:00,250 --> 00:22:03,339 There are salt-contained systems that they put around the lakes? 441 00:22:03,339 --> 00:22:04,339 No, no. 442 00:22:04,339 --> 00:22:05,339 All the time? 443 00:22:05,339 --> 00:22:07,339 Grants or something to help people. 444 00:22:07,339 --> 00:22:12,339 Well, you're saying that the guy, because of finances, says, I wish I could get my... 445 00:22:12,339 --> 00:22:13,339 I wish I could. 446 00:22:13,339 --> 00:22:14,339 Right. 447 00:22:14,339 --> 00:22:15,339 Yeah. 448 00:22:15,339 --> 00:22:16,339 Right. 449 00:22:16,339 --> 00:22:17,339 Right. 450 00:22:17,339 --> 00:22:18,339 Yeah. 451 00:22:18,339 --> 00:22:19,339 I mean, they're... 452 00:22:19,339 --> 00:22:20,339 Yeah. 453 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:21,339 That's a good approach to protecting... 454 00:22:21,339 --> 00:22:22,339 The whole special interest loan situation comes into play. 455 00:22:22,339 --> 00:22:23,339 I think you can apply for those through the state. 456 00:22:23,339 --> 00:22:24,339 Better loans. 457 00:22:24,339 --> 00:22:25,339 So you get a little better deal in the end. 458 00:22:25,339 --> 00:22:26,339 Well, when we do find any of that out, we should definitely pump that information out 459 00:22:26,339 --> 00:22:27,339 to the public. 460 00:22:27,339 --> 00:22:28,339 Pump. 461 00:22:28,339 --> 00:22:29,339 Pump. 462 00:22:29,339 --> 00:22:30,339 Pump. 463 00:22:30,339 --> 00:22:31,339 Pump. 464 00:22:31,339 --> 00:22:32,339 Pump. 465 00:22:32,339 --> 00:22:33,339 Pump. 466 00:22:33,339 --> 00:22:34,339 Pump. 467 00:22:34,339 --> 00:22:35,339 Pump. 468 00:22:35,339 --> 00:22:36,339 Pump. 469 00:22:36,339 --> 00:22:37,339 Pump. 470 00:22:37,339 --> 00:22:38,339 Pump. 471 00:22:38,339 --> 00:22:39,339 Pump. 472 00:22:39,339 --> 00:22:40,339 Pump. 473 00:22:40,339 --> 00:22:41,339 Pump. 474 00:22:41,339 --> 00:22:42,339 Pump. 475 00:22:42,339 --> 00:22:43,339 Pump. 476 00:22:43,339 --> 00:22:44,339 Pump. 477 00:22:44,339 --> 00:22:45,339 Pump. 478 00:22:45,339 --> 00:22:46,339 Pump. 479 00:22:46,339 --> 00:22:47,339 Pump. 480 00:22:47,339 --> 00:22:48,339 Pump. 481 00:22:48,339 --> 00:22:49,339 Pump. 482 00:22:49,339 --> 00:22:50,339 Pump. 483 00:22:50,339 --> 00:22:51,339 Pump. 484 00:22:51,339 --> 00:22:52,339 Pump. 485 00:22:52,339 --> 00:22:53,339 Pump. 486 00:22:53,339 --> 00:22:54,339 Pump. 487 00:22:54,339 --> 00:22:55,339 Pump. 488 00:22:55,339 --> 00:22:56,339 Pump. 489 00:22:56,339 --> 00:22:57,339 Pump. 490 00:22:57,339 --> 00:22:58,339 Pump. 491 00:22:58,339 --> 00:22:59,339 Pump. 492 00:22:59,339 --> 00:23:00,599 Pump. 493 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:01,599 Pump. 494 00:23:01,599 --> 00:23:02,599 Pump. 495 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:03,599 Pump. 496 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:04,599 Pump. 497 00:23:04,599 --> 00:23:05,599 Pump. 498 00:23:05,599 --> 00:23:06,599 Pump. 499 00:23:06,599 --> 00:23:07,599 Pump. 500 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:08,599 Pump. 501 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:09,599 Pump. 502 00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:10,599 Pump. 503 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:13,039 Pump. 504 00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:15,400 day. Rhodes and then 505 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,619 Laurie and you will talk about 506 00:23:17,619 --> 00:23:20,269 Wednesday. 507 00:23:20,269 --> 00:23:22,230 The next Wednesday they're coming to do the 508 00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:22,990 sweep and service. 509 00:23:25,579 --> 00:23:27,859 I noticed it 510 00:23:27,859 --> 00:23:30,079 seems like there's 511 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:32,000 washboard going. Is that 512 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:32,980 loose stone still? 513 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,259 Yeah, that should be all. 514 00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:37,640 I got out and I 515 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,180 gave it a little kick. Shut it before it comes 516 00:23:40,180 --> 00:23:41,359 in. That's just on the track. 517 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:42,079 Okay. 518 00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:46,640 Okay. 519 00:23:47,140 --> 00:23:49,559 I kind of missed the best part. 520 00:23:49,779 --> 00:23:52,140 Do you want to talk about West Road then 521 00:23:52,140 --> 00:23:53,119 or wait for Laurie? 522 00:23:53,380 --> 00:23:55,079 No, I think you should bring that up now. 523 00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:58,160 Alright, go ahead. I don't know that 524 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:58,900 much about it. 525 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:04,309 The culvert, the state 526 00:24:04,309 --> 00:24:06,819 line, they're going to do some 527 00:24:06,819 --> 00:24:10,690 preliminary work. They're going to start 528 00:24:10,690 --> 00:24:13,250 actual work in road closure in the spring. 529 00:24:13,809 --> 00:24:15,109 So wintertime won't be 530 00:24:15,109 --> 00:24:16,410 closed. That's good. Right. 531 00:24:17,410 --> 00:24:18,910 And then they're going to, it says November 532 00:24:18,910 --> 00:24:20,450 they should be done by November. 533 00:24:21,069 --> 00:24:22,730 So basically the whole construction 534 00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:22,809 will be done by November. 535 00:24:22,829 --> 00:24:23,069 Okay. 536 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:27,160 Alright. 537 00:24:27,420 --> 00:24:29,299 Is Clarksburg doing it or are they contracting 538 00:24:29,299 --> 00:24:31,339 out or you don't know? I'm guessing it's too big 539 00:24:31,339 --> 00:24:32,759 of a job for them. Yeah, I don't think so. 540 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:33,000 Okay. 541 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,900 So the residents that will be affected from Stanford 542 00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:40,200 will just have to use 543 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,039 the line that I can counsel you around for that. 544 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,420 We've had a similar 545 00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:47,039 situation before with the bridge. 546 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,220 So, yeah, there'll be a little more 547 00:24:49,220 --> 00:24:51,359 traffic. Should we tell the residents 548 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,619 to send them a letter or something like that? 549 00:24:53,619 --> 00:24:55,339 I think we should wait until we hear from 550 00:24:55,339 --> 00:24:56,779 Clarksburg when they're closing. 551 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,279 Right. It's in the minutes. Be prepared. 552 00:24:59,420 --> 00:25:00,539 Something's going to happen. 553 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:03,420 Carl and his wife are done the shop today. 554 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:05,099 We're not in control of it. 555 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,220 I'm sure word of mouth, 556 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,240 you know, but I would say we'll try 557 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,920 to firm that up, you know, 558 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,099 maybe towards spring with 559 00:25:13,099 --> 00:25:15,339 Clarksburg and then maybe send something out 560 00:25:15,339 --> 00:25:17,359 because a lot can happen in a couple months. 561 00:25:17,619 --> 00:25:19,440 They may decide they just can't 562 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,099 do it this year, you know, all of a sudden. 563 00:25:22,140 --> 00:25:23,359 Once they can, I mean, 564 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,259 they've got to bid it out. They've got a bunch of things. 565 00:25:25,460 --> 00:25:26,400 It's going to happen, so 566 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,069 people will be excited. 567 00:25:31,299 --> 00:25:32,059 We will 568 00:25:32,059 --> 00:25:35,299 notify residents, and I'm sure Clarksburg 569 00:25:35,299 --> 00:25:37,039 will too, but the word will get out. 570 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:38,799 I appreciate that, you know, the heads up 571 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:40,539 as far as they're letting us know. 572 00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:44,589 So, how long will it be 573 00:25:44,589 --> 00:25:46,789 closed? Well, they're 574 00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:48,349 telling us basically all summer 575 00:25:48,349 --> 00:25:50,509 until November. From spring to November. 576 00:25:50,890 --> 00:25:51,630 Spring to fall. 577 00:25:52,509 --> 00:25:54,609 I don't think it's going to take that long, but 578 00:25:54,609 --> 00:25:56,670 I don't know. My understanding 579 00:25:56,670 --> 00:25:58,569 is it's just going to be a culvert, not a 580 00:25:58,569 --> 00:26:00,549 bridge. Right. So, I think you just 581 00:26:00,549 --> 00:26:02,539 need a cement culvert, 582 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,630 all right? I'm not sure. 583 00:26:04,769 --> 00:26:06,769 Pretty big. Yeah. That's a pretty good size. 584 00:26:06,769 --> 00:26:08,950 Yeah, it's a sizable. I'm surprised it's not 585 00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:10,690 going to be a bridge. Yeah. It's just, 586 00:26:11,009 --> 00:26:13,029 well, maybe not just as big, but almost 587 00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:14,509 as big as a brook that comes by me. 588 00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:17,029 Okay. Anything else on 589 00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:19,549 roads and equipment? 590 00:26:19,670 --> 00:26:20,849 No, we're going to have the same stuff. 591 00:26:21,089 --> 00:26:22,910 We finished up the 592 00:26:22,910 --> 00:26:25,130 shoulder, and I'm sure the stone line 593 00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:27,150 and the ditching. So, 594 00:26:27,369 --> 00:26:28,990 I've got some ditching to do on. 595 00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:31,609 I've got to look at the road. I've got to look at the 596 00:26:31,609 --> 00:26:34,680 weather. Hopefully 597 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,480 if things stay dry, I'll be able to put my 598 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,380 sportsman and put that culvert in. 599 00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:52,730 I'm assuming that they... 600 00:26:52,730 --> 00:27:11,839 Yeah. Any update on 601 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:13,759 that? Which one? The new one? 602 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,900 The new one? Anything broken down? 603 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,839 No. What else is it? Yes and no. 604 00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:19,680 I do have to send 605 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,440 the truck up to the freight liner. 606 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:38,500 It's got some electrical. Okay. Anything 607 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:39,819 else on roads? 608 00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:42,240 No. No, I think they're okay. 609 00:27:42,539 --> 00:27:45,339 Recycling? 610 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,400 Marta? 611 00:27:50,059 --> 00:27:51,559 I was at recycling on Wednesday, 612 00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:52,299 and 613 00:27:52,299 --> 00:27:54,960 apparently, 614 00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:58,440 and I don't know, it's not mine to tell you, but you've already 615 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,319 been informed, that somebody came 616 00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:02,319 in before the gates were 617 00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:04,640 open and put a bunch of 618 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,319 race car 619 00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:08,519 fuel, five-gallon things 620 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:10,220 in the compactor, 621 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,200 and Carol and Joey were both like, 622 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:15,490 how did this happen? This is 623 00:28:15,490 --> 00:28:17,210 no good. And I was like, doesn't that have 624 00:28:17,470 --> 00:28:19,390 a little stuff, and isn't that supposed to not be 625 00:28:19,390 --> 00:28:20,809 in the trash compactor? 626 00:28:21,470 --> 00:28:23,109 So I don't know if you guys heard about it. 627 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,779 No. Yeah, she 628 00:28:25,779 --> 00:28:27,799 did tell me about it. I know 629 00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:29,640 that Joey was trying to get them out of there 630 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,380 and throw them in the scrap dumpster. 631 00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:33,359 But a bunch of them had already been crushed. 632 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,640 Do we know who did it? 633 00:28:36,059 --> 00:28:38,380 The gate shut, so somebody had 634 00:28:38,380 --> 00:28:40,400 to go in there, maybe during the 635 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,019 day when we were out working, I'm guessing, 636 00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:44,200 but she said it wasn't in there before that. 637 00:28:44,339 --> 00:28:45,839 She had gone and thrown the school trash. 638 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,079 I still think we should get a... 639 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:50,369 a camera to see who's 640 00:28:50,369 --> 00:28:52,529 going in, and... 641 00:28:52,529 --> 00:28:53,849 But are you going to force it? 642 00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:56,440 That's what I want to know. 643 00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:58,960 We can put their names in the 644 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,720 minutes and just embarrass them that 645 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,099 this is not supposed to go. 646 00:29:03,339 --> 00:29:05,000 I think if we're going 647 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,880 to, no. If we're going 648 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,859 to do that, it would be 649 00:29:08,859 --> 00:29:10,720 illegal dumping. 650 00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:12,220 So when we say enforce it. 651 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:15,019 If a person that has, you know, a town resident, 652 00:29:15,539 --> 00:29:16,099 like you said, 653 00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:18,599 you kind of tell them, it's 654 00:29:18,619 --> 00:29:20,799 okay if you go up County Road and you pick up a bunch 655 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:22,440 of trash and throw it over, you know, 656 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,779 put it in the dumpster. We know those 657 00:29:24,779 --> 00:29:27,000 people, but if we see someone from downtown 658 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,799 go up, someone 659 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:30,859 that's not a resident, come up 660 00:29:30,859 --> 00:29:32,619 here and dump illegal crap 661 00:29:32,619 --> 00:29:34,759 or asbestos or something, that'd be one thing. 662 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,759 And then, how do you find them? 663 00:29:36,859 --> 00:29:38,759 You send them a fine, you set it up like 664 00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:40,460 we had, you know, we talked about. 665 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,579 But we have that already in place 666 00:29:42,579 --> 00:29:44,359 that we can find illegal dumping. 667 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,799 The thing is, the minute they go to 668 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:48,480 court, we don't have any... 669 00:29:48,619 --> 00:29:50,619 I just know, we've had this in the past 670 00:29:50,619 --> 00:29:52,900 where I've had people's trash 671 00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:54,839 with their names scattered out 672 00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:56,099 on the side of the road 673 00:29:56,099 --> 00:29:58,019 and you can't do anything to them. 674 00:29:58,539 --> 00:30:00,160 Well, I think we should just put it in the minutes. 675 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,059 If someone's trash can be found 676 00:30:02,059 --> 00:30:04,299 illegal dumping, wait until the 677 00:30:04,299 --> 00:30:06,319 recycling's open or... 678 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,599 Our experience up by my campus, 679 00:30:08,819 --> 00:30:10,819 you call the state troopers and get them on it. 680 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:12,779 Don't even worry about the town getting 681 00:30:12,779 --> 00:30:14,559 involved. If you find someone with their name 682 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:16,819 on the side of the road, call the wardens 683 00:30:16,819 --> 00:30:18,400 or state troopers, they come right in 684 00:30:18,619 --> 00:30:20,559 and they follow up on that investigation. 685 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,380 And they have. They've gone right down 686 00:30:22,380 --> 00:30:24,420 to North Adams. I had a contractor dump 687 00:30:24,420 --> 00:30:25,940 a bunch of crap up on my place. 688 00:30:27,059 --> 00:30:28,400 It wasn't a contractor, 689 00:30:28,539 --> 00:30:29,400 it was his worker. 690 00:30:30,019 --> 00:30:31,740 He subcontracted it out. 691 00:30:31,859 --> 00:30:34,279 So today I got a text message this afternoon 692 00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:36,299 there's a couple kids in one of the dumpsters 693 00:30:36,299 --> 00:30:37,880 at the recycling center. 694 00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:39,359 Kids? In it? Yeah. 695 00:30:39,660 --> 00:30:41,940 I mean, I know who they are, I've been there a few times. 696 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:43,759 We're going to send their parents a letter. 697 00:30:44,180 --> 00:30:45,420 What are they doing in the dumpster? 698 00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:47,680 They're picking out trash and good stuff. 699 00:30:48,619 --> 00:30:50,000 The dumpster in front of something you want. 700 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000 If they get hurt, what happens? 701 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000 What happens to them? 702 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,000 I'm just saying, how many bikes do you want to pick? 703 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000 Some. 704 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,000 We'd be responsible if they get hurt. 705 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,000 I mean, I would 706 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000 take, if you know who they are, 707 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000 and you know the parents, and you think the parents are like the old days, 708 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,000 I'd tell the parents in a second. 709 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,000 Because that happened to me 710 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,000 in Stanford, or Clarksbury, I was in 711 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,000 Koreax's lumber mill, and they 712 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000 pulled all the things, dumped all the sawdust all over 713 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,000 the place. I don't know. 714 00:31:18,619 --> 00:31:20,619 I got caught. I guess, I'll tell you what, I won't ever 715 00:31:20,619 --> 00:31:22,619 do it again. 716 00:31:22,619 --> 00:31:24,619 You know how I am, I just don't like rules 717 00:31:24,619 --> 00:31:26,619 that I have to follow. We're not going to follow it. 718 00:31:26,619 --> 00:31:28,619 Me too. I agree. 719 00:31:28,619 --> 00:31:30,619 I'm not trying to, I just, 720 00:31:30,619 --> 00:31:32,619 in fact, the last time they were 721 00:31:32,619 --> 00:31:34,619 in the dumpster, the grandmother, one of their grandmothers 722 00:31:34,619 --> 00:31:36,619 came looking for them and laughed 723 00:31:36,619 --> 00:31:38,619 about it. They said they shouldn't be in there. 724 00:31:38,619 --> 00:31:42,640 I think 725 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,859 I think the parents should know 726 00:31:46,859 --> 00:31:48,859 where the kids are in the dumpster. 727 00:31:48,859 --> 00:31:50,859 That this is not safe. There's 728 00:31:50,859 --> 00:31:52,859 wax in there, there's rusty metal. 729 00:31:52,859 --> 00:31:54,859 You're right, but 730 00:31:54,859 --> 00:31:56,859 you already told parents and they don't 731 00:31:56,859 --> 00:31:58,859 I'm not saying they don't care, but 732 00:31:58,859 --> 00:32:00,859 apparently it's not like the old days. 733 00:32:00,859 --> 00:32:02,859 And I agree with you. So, you tell them 734 00:32:02,859 --> 00:32:04,859 next time, you know, we're going 735 00:32:04,859 --> 00:32:06,859 to send you a fine. That's all you can do 736 00:32:06,859 --> 00:32:08,859 is send them a pocketbook. 737 00:32:08,859 --> 00:32:10,859 I heard you talking about 738 00:32:10,859 --> 00:32:12,859 people dumping on the side of the road 739 00:32:12,859 --> 00:32:14,859 and I'm just wondering. Not anymore of it. 740 00:32:14,859 --> 00:32:16,859 No. Not up my place. 741 00:32:16,859 --> 00:32:18,859 No, no, I'm talking about Stanford in general. 742 00:32:18,859 --> 00:32:20,859 Do you still find them dumping on the road? 743 00:32:20,859 --> 00:32:22,859 In and up and 744 00:32:22,859 --> 00:32:24,859 I mean a cage only. Yeah, maybe 745 00:32:24,859 --> 00:32:26,859 up by the high tensions, maybe. 746 00:32:26,859 --> 00:32:28,859 But like Risky Ranch Road, it's almost zero now. 747 00:32:28,859 --> 00:32:30,859 I was wondering how many fines 748 00:32:30,859 --> 00:32:33,119 do the judicial bureau have executed? 749 00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,180 Not many. 750 00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:37,180 I mean, I used to do it right. 751 00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:39,180 I find an address, I call up 752 00:32:39,180 --> 00:32:41,180 That worked better. We do have 753 00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:43,180 cameras and what we do is we just 754 00:32:43,180 --> 00:32:45,180 we have the cameras and 755 00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:47,180 with today's cell phones and everything 756 00:32:47,180 --> 00:32:49,180 we get there. I come up from the shop 757 00:32:49,180 --> 00:32:51,180 I get a call from what's up there. 758 00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:53,180 I get rid of them. I confront them. 759 00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:55,180 I know it's not the smartest thing to do with some people 760 00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:57,180 but I confront them and I tell them 761 00:32:57,180 --> 00:32:59,180 look, we're going to pick it up or we're calling the cops. 762 00:32:59,180 --> 00:33:01,180 They lose the right to drive them from 763 00:33:01,180 --> 00:33:03,180 Yeah. 764 00:33:03,180 --> 00:33:05,180 I mean they have 765 00:33:05,180 --> 00:33:07,180 The state troopers have done a pretty good job. 766 00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:09,180 They've gone to North Adams. North Adams police 767 00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:11,180 have been to my camp. 768 00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:13,180 So it has, they do 769 00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:15,180 their job, trust me. 770 00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:17,180 I have a camp on Risky Ranch Road. 771 00:33:17,180 --> 00:33:19,180 Thank you, Dave. 772 00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:21,180 Hopefully we can keep the kids 773 00:33:21,180 --> 00:33:23,180 out of the dumpster. 774 00:33:23,180 --> 00:33:25,180 Maybe some 775 00:33:25,180 --> 00:33:27,180 I mean 776 00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:29,180 Put an electric fence 777 00:33:29,180 --> 00:33:31,180 around there. 778 00:33:31,180 --> 00:33:33,180 It's a small town too. 779 00:33:33,180 --> 00:33:35,180 We're not open that much. 780 00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:37,180 There's some people that come throw recycling away 781 00:33:37,180 --> 00:33:39,180 during the day. Sometimes they're there. 782 00:33:39,180 --> 00:33:41,180 How do we want to get 783 00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:43,180 How strict do I have to be about this? 784 00:33:43,180 --> 00:33:45,180 Because I don't like kids. 785 00:33:45,180 --> 00:33:47,180 I think the kids in the dumpster, that's a danger. 786 00:33:47,180 --> 00:33:49,180 Do you have a sign of video surveillance? 787 00:33:49,180 --> 00:33:51,180 I have a sign there. It doesn't matter. 788 00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:53,180 I've never seen it. 789 00:33:53,180 --> 00:33:55,180 You mean kind of like the 790 00:33:55,180 --> 00:33:57,180 police car that's in town? 791 00:33:57,180 --> 00:33:59,180 Yeah, that's so funny. It made me slow down. 792 00:33:59,180 --> 00:34:01,180 Like, wait a minute. They don't have a car. 793 00:34:01,180 --> 00:34:03,180 They moved it. Now it's over by my dad's house. 794 00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:05,180 Is one of those people your relatives? 795 00:34:05,180 --> 00:34:07,180 What's that? 796 00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:09,179 Is one of those kids your relatives? 797 00:34:09,179 --> 00:34:11,179 My kids? No. 798 00:34:11,179 --> 00:34:13,179 Because I see them in there all the time. 799 00:34:13,179 --> 00:34:15,400 You're not related? 800 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,400 Maybe very distant. 801 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,400 I'm just saying, Dave. 802 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,400 See, you just said you saw them too. 803 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,400 What are you going to do? 804 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,400 I tell the kids they shouldn't be in the dumpster. 805 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,400 It's something they can pick it out with. 806 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,400 I said the same thing. 807 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,400 I got a text today. 808 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,400 That's good, but they want to work for the town. 809 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,400 We'll give them five bucks. 810 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,400 You know, I agree. 811 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,400 It's very difficult. 812 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,400 It goes all the way with all of the 813 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,400 rules we have in the town. 814 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,400 Some rules are different than 815 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,400 other rules. 816 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,400 Some things get enforced and some things don't. 817 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,400 We're not perfect. 818 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,400 I said this with the planning board. 819 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,400 Our bylaws aren't perfect. 820 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,400 They're better than when I first came on the board. 821 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,400 But they're not perfect. 822 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,400 The rules, I said that a long time ago. 823 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,400 If we're not going to enforce it, get rid of it. 824 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,400 But there are certain things that 825 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,400 this is a few and far between 826 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,400 type of thing. 827 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,400 There are certain things that don't happen 828 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,400 very often. 829 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,400 Hopefully we can tell these parents 830 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,400 it has come up and you're going to 831 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,400 make us put it in these rules. 832 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,400 And you are going to get fined 833 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,400 if you take them. 834 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,400 And hopefully we can skid them off a little bit. 835 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,400 Because it costs money to do everything 836 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,469 you're talking about. 837 00:35:29,469 --> 00:35:31,469 Everything we talk about costs money. 838 00:35:31,469 --> 00:35:33,469 It's more just the kids too. 839 00:35:33,469 --> 00:35:35,469 I forgive the kids almost more 840 00:35:35,469 --> 00:35:37,469 than I do the adults. 841 00:35:37,469 --> 00:35:39,469 I jump in all the time. 842 00:35:39,469 --> 00:35:41,469 I think it's a good thing that kids can go to 843 00:35:41,469 --> 00:35:43,469 the recycling center and grab a bicycle 844 00:35:43,469 --> 00:35:45,469 or a set of golf clubs. 845 00:35:45,469 --> 00:35:47,469 And they do. 846 00:35:47,469 --> 00:35:49,469 A lot of stuff gets thrown away. 847 00:35:49,469 --> 00:35:51,469 I know I used to go through the junk 848 00:35:51,469 --> 00:35:53,469 center and you just picked up stuff. 849 00:35:53,469 --> 00:35:55,469 I still do it. 850 00:35:55,469 --> 00:35:57,469 Best place in the world. 851 00:35:57,469 --> 00:35:59,469 Some of this is going to lead into 852 00:35:59,469 --> 00:36:01,469 we're going to be open more 853 00:36:01,469 --> 00:36:03,469 the recycling center. 854 00:36:03,469 --> 00:36:05,469 It's an all cost thing because people are 855 00:36:05,469 --> 00:36:07,469 going to start complaining that they can't 856 00:36:07,469 --> 00:36:09,469 go there when they've got a bag of 857 00:36:09,469 --> 00:36:11,469 fishy trash in the summer. 858 00:36:11,469 --> 00:36:13,469 Throw it in the freezer. 859 00:36:13,469 --> 00:36:15,469 That's what I do. 860 00:36:15,469 --> 00:36:17,469 It turns into that. 861 00:36:17,469 --> 00:36:19,469 So I'm looking for direction. 862 00:36:19,469 --> 00:36:21,469 I'll think about it. 863 00:36:21,469 --> 00:36:23,719 Good. 864 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,719 That's it. Recycling. 865 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,079 Good. 866 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,079 Moving on. 867 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,079 It's been suggested that we 868 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:34,079 have a finance committee again this year. 869 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:36,079 If there's any volunteers 870 00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:38,079 this would be the time 871 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,079 to start 872 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:42,079 get ready in December. 873 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,079 I don't know if the school 874 00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,079 how they're doing with their budgets. 875 00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,079 I haven't heard anything. 876 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:50,079 What they're working on. 877 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,650 Have you heard anything? 878 00:36:52,650 --> 00:36:54,650 And if the finance committee does 879 00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:56,650 oversee the school. 880 00:36:56,650 --> 00:36:58,650 I don't know if they would do that anymore. 881 00:36:58,650 --> 00:37:00,880 If anyone's interested 882 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,550 give us your names. 883 00:37:03,550 --> 00:37:07,469 We have 884 00:37:07,469 --> 00:37:09,469 delinquent tax sale. 885 00:37:09,469 --> 00:37:11,500 Sally. 886 00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:13,789 Speaking of rules and regulations. 887 00:37:13,789 --> 00:37:15,789 The state 888 00:37:15,789 --> 00:37:17,789 has gotten involved 889 00:37:17,789 --> 00:37:19,789 now with delinquent taxes. 890 00:37:19,789 --> 00:37:22,079 And 891 00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:24,170 I have to go 892 00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:26,170 and I have to 893 00:37:26,170 --> 00:37:28,269 post a notice 894 00:37:28,269 --> 00:37:30,269 on their house. 895 00:37:30,269 --> 00:37:32,969 I might get shot but 896 00:37:32,969 --> 00:37:34,969 what in the hell is 897 00:37:34,969 --> 00:37:36,969 I'm sorry. 898 00:37:36,969 --> 00:37:38,969 I've already made myself clear 899 00:37:38,969 --> 00:37:40,969 through emails about this. 900 00:37:40,969 --> 00:37:42,969 No. No. 901 00:37:42,969 --> 00:37:44,969 I said I would go with Sally. 902 00:37:44,969 --> 00:37:46,969 And then I thought about it and I said 903 00:37:46,969 --> 00:37:48,969 this is crazy. 904 00:37:48,969 --> 00:37:50,969 Even I said I'd go but there would be 905 00:37:50,969 --> 00:37:52,969 consequences to that. 906 00:37:52,969 --> 00:37:54,969 And that would go back to the town. 907 00:37:54,969 --> 00:37:56,969 Yes. 908 00:37:56,969 --> 00:37:58,969 I have to do whatever the hell I want. 909 00:37:58,969 --> 00:38:00,969 But if I'm going as a select board member 910 00:38:00,969 --> 00:38:02,969 and I do something 911 00:38:02,969 --> 00:38:04,969 then you guys are going to be paying for it. 912 00:38:04,969 --> 00:38:06,969 So we need to 913 00:38:06,969 --> 00:38:08,969 if the state wants us to do this 914 00:38:08,969 --> 00:38:10,969 we need to tell the state to send 915 00:38:10,969 --> 00:38:12,969 the state troopers down here 916 00:38:12,969 --> 00:38:14,969 to protect us. 917 00:38:14,969 --> 00:38:16,969 But not only that 918 00:38:16,969 --> 00:38:18,969 I have to take a picture. 919 00:38:18,969 --> 00:38:20,969 Go ahead and take pictures 920 00:38:20,969 --> 00:38:22,969 of people's houses. 921 00:38:22,969 --> 00:38:24,969 It's posted on the door. 922 00:38:24,969 --> 00:38:26,969 You have to enter their property. 923 00:38:26,969 --> 00:38:28,969 You can't just put it on a pole outside. 924 00:38:28,969 --> 00:38:30,969 If there's a building 925 00:38:30,969 --> 00:38:32,969 it must be fixed to the building. 926 00:38:32,969 --> 00:38:34,969 The thing is 927 00:38:34,969 --> 00:38:36,969 Joe will shoot you. 928 00:38:36,969 --> 00:38:38,969 I'm not kidding. 929 00:38:38,969 --> 00:38:40,969 I know. 930 00:38:40,969 --> 00:38:42,969 Well the thing is 931 00:38:42,969 --> 00:38:44,969 is the state. 932 00:38:44,969 --> 00:38:46,969 If I was in bad taxes 933 00:38:46,969 --> 00:38:48,969 and you came to my house 934 00:38:48,969 --> 00:38:50,969 you're old. 935 00:38:50,969 --> 00:38:53,159 It's not safe. 936 00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:55,159 No it's not safe but I will say 937 00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:57,159 that I have spoken with other people 938 00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:59,159 who are buying these letters. 939 00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:01,260 It needs to be done by law enforcement. 940 00:39:01,260 --> 00:39:03,260 Law enforcement. 941 00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:05,260 Right. Because of the liability. 942 00:39:05,260 --> 00:39:07,260 Like I said I'll go. 943 00:39:07,260 --> 00:39:09,260 I'll carry a firearm so they can see me coming. 944 00:39:09,260 --> 00:39:11,260 That doesn't matter. 945 00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:13,260 You guys are going to be responsible for my address. 946 00:39:13,260 --> 00:39:15,260 So you have bullet belts. 947 00:39:15,260 --> 00:39:17,260 Badges? 948 00:39:17,260 --> 00:39:19,260 We don't need no sticky badges. 949 00:39:19,260 --> 00:39:21,260 But what about the people 950 00:39:21,260 --> 00:39:23,449 that are 951 00:39:23,449 --> 00:39:25,449 putting property up with no building. 952 00:39:25,449 --> 00:39:27,449 Right. 953 00:39:27,449 --> 00:39:29,449 Like can't I just nail it on the closest tree? 954 00:39:29,449 --> 00:39:31,449 I mean you know. 955 00:39:31,449 --> 00:39:33,449 Come on. 956 00:39:33,449 --> 00:39:35,449 It doesn't say anything about no building there. 957 00:39:35,449 --> 00:39:37,449 And then it doesn't even tell me 958 00:39:37,449 --> 00:39:39,449 how many 959 00:39:39,449 --> 00:39:41,449 15 days from the sale 960 00:39:41,449 --> 00:39:43,610 or 20 or whatever. 961 00:39:43,610 --> 00:39:45,610 My son is really good 962 00:39:45,610 --> 00:39:47,610 with graphics. 963 00:39:47,610 --> 00:39:49,610 If you get me the thing 964 00:39:49,610 --> 00:39:51,610 we'll get a picture of the house 965 00:39:51,610 --> 00:39:53,610 and we'll superimpose it. 966 00:39:53,610 --> 00:39:55,610 AI. 967 00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:57,610 AI. 968 00:39:57,610 --> 00:39:59,610 I'm not crying anymore. 969 00:39:59,610 --> 00:40:01,610 Let the state come down 970 00:40:01,610 --> 00:40:03,610 and we'll just say 971 00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:05,610 at the end of the day if the state made us do this 972 00:40:05,610 --> 00:40:07,610 the state can pay for our protection. 973 00:40:07,610 --> 00:40:09,610 Now that would be passed on 974 00:40:09,610 --> 00:40:11,610 to the delinquent tax 975 00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:13,679 sale. 976 00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:15,679 Now that's a fee 977 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:17,679 that the tax payer is going to have to 978 00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:19,679 pay if he wants to redeem his property. 979 00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:21,679 And so that's an added expense. 980 00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:25,679 It was never added on 981 00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:27,679 at this time because 982 00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:35,679 Because almost all the towns they go, they have some sort of law enforcement, and we don't. 983 00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:38,679 You know, you can't call the sheriffs because who knows if they'll show up. 984 00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:42,679 Because we don't have a contract with them, they're not obligated to show up. 985 00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:46,679 That's not, you know, a crime in action. 986 00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:52,929 So, I just want to say that Mount Kinner has been very busy trying to mess everything up. 987 00:40:52,929 --> 00:40:54,929 When is the tax sale? 988 00:40:54,929 --> 00:40:59,929 9-24, what time? 989 00:40:59,929 --> 00:41:02,929 Yeah, but what time? 990 00:41:02,929 --> 00:41:04,929 Sally, I have a question. 991 00:41:04,929 --> 00:41:11,929 It came to my attention that there was a property in the list, and then one of those properties is not going to be at that tax sale. 992 00:41:11,929 --> 00:41:13,929 No. 993 00:41:13,929 --> 00:41:15,929 Because of timing, or? 994 00:41:15,929 --> 00:41:21,929 No, because of, like you say, someone else screwed up the paperwork. 995 00:41:21,929 --> 00:41:24,929 Laurie. 996 00:41:24,929 --> 00:41:27,929 Which property is not going to be at that tax sale? 997 00:41:27,929 --> 00:41:31,929 I don't know if I should say whose it is at this point. 998 00:41:31,929 --> 00:41:33,929 Can I say whose it is? 999 00:41:33,929 --> 00:41:35,929 You can see which one is pulled off. 1000 00:41:35,929 --> 00:41:39,929 I can tell you later, but I don't know, because they might pay still. 1001 00:41:39,929 --> 00:41:40,929 Okay. 1002 00:41:40,929 --> 00:41:42,929 It's up to you guys. 1003 00:41:42,929 --> 00:41:43,929 Okay. 1004 00:41:43,929 --> 00:41:45,929 I must have seen the one that got pulled out. 1005 00:41:45,929 --> 00:41:47,929 I just don't want to get this wrong. 1006 00:41:47,929 --> 00:41:48,929 Yeah. 1007 00:41:48,929 --> 00:41:49,929 Okay. 1008 00:41:49,929 --> 00:41:51,929 So, Sally. 1009 00:41:51,929 --> 00:41:54,929 We have to find somebody to put those on. 1010 00:41:54,929 --> 00:41:56,929 Before the tax sale. 1011 00:41:56,929 --> 00:41:57,929 Well, I don't know when. 1012 00:41:57,929 --> 00:41:59,929 I mean, put them up an hour before? 1013 00:41:59,929 --> 00:42:02,929 I don't know, because, like you say, you know. 1014 00:42:02,929 --> 00:42:07,929 Can you find out when they have to be posted, and if the green card has come back? 1015 00:42:07,929 --> 00:42:08,929 It doesn't say. 1016 00:42:08,929 --> 00:42:15,929 It says if the green card does not come back to the delinquent taxpayer, then it's got to be posted, but it doesn't say. 1017 00:42:15,929 --> 00:42:17,929 Well, the attorney has the green cards. 1018 00:42:17,929 --> 00:42:19,929 Can you find out, then, if they come back? 1019 00:42:19,929 --> 00:42:22,929 And then we'll try to get somebody to deliver them. 1020 00:42:22,929 --> 00:42:23,929 They have to post this on their property. 1021 00:42:23,929 --> 00:42:26,929 But you also have to send them a letter, too. 1022 00:42:26,929 --> 00:42:27,929 Oh, yeah. 1023 00:42:27,929 --> 00:42:28,929 They've already signed. 1024 00:42:28,929 --> 00:42:29,929 Okay. 1025 00:42:29,929 --> 00:42:30,929 So that's all done. 1026 00:42:30,929 --> 00:42:31,929 But if they didn't sign. 1027 00:42:31,929 --> 00:42:32,929 This is just an add-on. 1028 00:42:32,929 --> 00:42:33,929 Okay. 1029 00:42:33,929 --> 00:42:34,929 If they don't sign. 1030 00:42:34,929 --> 00:42:35,929 So it's a useless thing. 1031 00:42:35,929 --> 00:42:41,000 And then you also, now you also have to have a payment plan. 1032 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,000 In place. 1033 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,000 Even though it's a couple of years behind. 1034 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,000 Yep. 1035 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:49,000 Now we want to do a payment plan, and that will be run off by seven months or whatever. 1036 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000 And then they can stop that and go back to. 1037 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,000 That's right. 1038 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,000 If you're at them. 1039 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,000 Right. 1040 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,239 But they're really working very hard. 1041 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:05,239 So, Sally and Lori, can you find out if the green cards have come back that we don't have 1042 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,239 to do it? 1043 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:12,280 If they have not, find out when we should post them. 1044 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:17,280 And get state police or sheriff, state police probably. 1045 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,280 I agree. 1046 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,280 But that's, I mean, if the state troopers want to do it. 1047 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,280 They'll go. 1048 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,280 And you still don't want to go. 1049 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,280 I'll go. 1050 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,280 Right. 1051 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,280 Well, that's why. 1052 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,280 Because, I mean, you might still feel uncomfortable even when a state trooper. 1053 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,280 Well, like I said. 1054 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,280 Because I'm going to tell you, you walk on someone's property, I don't care. 1055 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,280 Yeah. 1056 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,280 How many cops? 1057 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,280 That guy knows you're coming. 1058 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,280 I'm not saying this would happen in Stanford. 1059 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,280 But there's been things in this country that have gone crazy. 1060 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,280 But we have out of state people. 1061 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,280 And I do not have any clue as to who these people are. 1062 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,280 Right. 1063 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,280 And so therefore, I mean, I don't want to get involved. 1064 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,280 I mean. 1065 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,280 I don't blame you. 1066 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,280 I don't. 1067 00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,309 I don't blame you at all. 1068 00:43:59,309 --> 00:44:00,309 No. 1069 00:44:00,309 --> 00:44:01,309 No way. 1070 00:44:01,309 --> 00:44:02,309 So, like you said, the state of Vermont, well, they can come up with a new program. 1071 00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:03,309 And therefore, you can start adding that cost onto the expenses for Jacksonville. 1072 00:44:03,309 --> 00:44:04,309 I'd like to send back a letter to Montpelier. 1073 00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:05,309 Tell them this is unacceptable. 1074 00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:06,309 Tell them to come down and meet with us. 1075 00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:07,309 Yeah. 1076 00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:08,309 So, carrying on that note, I happened to get a phone call from Representative 1077 00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:09,309 Crosby. 1078 00:44:09,309 --> 00:44:10,309 Representative Crosby. 1079 00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:11,309 Representative Crosby. 1080 00:44:11,309 --> 00:44:12,309 Representative Crosby. 1081 00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:13,309 Representative Crosby. 1082 00:44:13,309 --> 00:44:14,309 Representative Crosby. 1083 00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:15,309 Representative Crosby. 1084 00:44:15,309 --> 00:44:16,309 Representative Crosby. 1085 00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:17,369 Representative Crosby. 1086 00:44:17,369 --> 00:44:18,369 Representative Crosby. 1087 00:44:18,369 --> 00:44:19,369 Representative Crosby. 1088 00:44:19,369 --> 00:44:20,369 Representative Crosby. 1089 00:44:20,369 --> 00:44:21,369 Representative Crosby. 1090 00:44:21,369 --> 00:44:22,369 Representative Crosby. 1091 00:44:22,369 --> 00:44:23,369 Representative Crosby. 1092 00:44:23,369 --> 00:44:24,369 Representative Crosby. 1093 00:44:24,369 --> 00:44:25,369 Representative Crosby. 1094 00:44:25,369 --> 00:44:26,369 Representative Crosby. 1095 00:44:26,369 --> 00:44:27,369 Representative Crosby. 1096 00:44:27,369 --> 00:44:28,369 Representative Crosby. 1097 00:44:28,369 --> 00:44:29,369 Representative Crosby. 1098 00:44:29,369 --> 00:44:30,369 Representative Crosby. 1099 00:44:30,369 --> 00:44:32,329 Representative Crosby. 1100 00:44:32,329 --> 00:44:33,329 Representative Crosby. 1101 00:44:33,329 --> 00:44:34,329 Representative Crosby. 1102 00:44:34,329 --> 00:44:35,329 Representative Crosby. 1103 00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:36,329 Representative Crosby. 1104 00:44:36,329 --> 00:44:37,329 Representative Crosby. 1105 00:44:37,329 --> 00:44:38,329 Representative Crosby. 1106 00:44:38,329 --> 00:44:39,329 Representative Crosby. 1107 00:44:39,329 --> 00:44:40,329 Representative Crosby. 1108 00:44:40,329 --> 00:44:41,329 Representative Crosby. 1109 00:44:41,329 --> 00:44:42,329 Representative Crosby. 1110 00:44:42,329 --> 00:44:43,329 Representative Crosby. 1111 00:44:43,329 --> 00:44:44,719 Representative Crosby. 1112 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:45,719 Representative Crosby. 1113 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:46,719 Representative Crosby. 1114 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:47,719 Representative Crosby. 1115 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:48,719 Representative Crosby. 1116 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:55,039 trouble with if you want us i can get that information back to him so he can be prepared 1117 00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:59,789 to talk to you when he comes and i didn't know if there were any other issues on the forefront 1118 00:44:59,789 --> 00:45:09,210 that's just the only one that school tax uh property taxes will be out water sewer yeah 1119 00:45:09,210 --> 00:45:17,460 um next meeting do you want it during the meeting before the meeting i'll have it during the meeting 1120 00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:22,880 so people can chime in yeah the guy comes once a year we might as well have everybody say hi 1121 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,949 should we be in the post-it do you think you'll get a group or 1122 00:45:27,949 --> 00:45:34,429 feel it out we can always move over here too 1123 00:45:34,429 --> 00:45:49,800 we have reserved that oh okay every first thursday huh anticipation right 1124 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:55,889 okay anticipation anything else sally 1125 00:45:56,010 --> 00:46:01,610 sounds like a high-end schedule um christmas tree lighting ceremony that was brought up too 1126 00:46:01,610 --> 00:46:09,480 if um we've had volunteers other years uh if anybody wants to volunteer with the ceremony just 1127 00:46:10,820 --> 00:46:17,690 do you know what the date is whatever day you choose oh i hope so you're the committee here 1128 00:46:18,409 --> 00:46:23,449 you want a committee this is something about the tree the town start the town 1129 00:46:26,019 --> 00:46:27,059 town volunteers 1130 00:46:27,380 --> 00:46:32,659 town volunteers started i know you did but it is not a function of the select board 1131 00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:38,059 but we all there was a lot of volunteers we all chipped in and helped pay for stuff and 1132 00:46:38,059 --> 00:46:48,039 volunteered and whatever volunteers are people far between nowadays okay um so yeah if you find 1133 00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:53,460 people if you guys want to it's not that hard you know what i mean but theresa used to do it and 1134 00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:59,539 she's got well her mom is she's been watching her mom a lot now so it's uh it could be big or little 1135 00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:05,460 whatever you want things are yeah but if you want to do it i'll put the tree up you put lights on it 1136 00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:10,340 at the very least we'll get the tree and some lights on it i know that it's often the first 1137 00:47:10,340 --> 00:47:17,380 saturday or first sunday in the month of december yeah and i'm not going to be here that weekend 1138 00:47:17,380 --> 00:47:23,539 because my daughter does a show in nashville um it doesn't necessarily have to be on the weekend 1139 00:47:24,739 --> 00:47:29,780 okay whenever all right let me let me give it some thought and and sniff around for some help 1140 00:47:29,940 --> 00:47:36,019 ers and you would get i mean i'm sure that i'm sure yeah and it's been really sweet years where 1141 00:47:36,019 --> 00:47:41,699 the um the school students have made ornaments for the day and that sort of brings out everybody 1142 00:47:41,699 --> 00:47:46,099 if this is the first time we've had it talked about this earlier i think so that'd be really 1143 00:47:46,099 --> 00:47:53,460 nice right now also is is luke mckay still doing hay rides and do we still have that wrench because 1144 00:47:53,460 --> 00:47:58,179 that that was awesome that year and we were on the hayride together that year yeah so my 1145 00:48:00,150 --> 00:48:00,949 there sam 1146 00:48:01,030 --> 00:48:05,829 is real but there was another guy that was a relative of mine that was doing something okay 1147 00:48:06,789 --> 00:48:14,949 okay so uh yeah all right all right it's in my hopper okay watch out all right joint meeting 1148 00:48:14,949 --> 00:48:21,909 with school and library so we brought this up last take care of day a couple weeks ago and the school 1149 00:48:21,909 --> 00:48:30,599 said they can do september 22nd at five o'clock so i reached out to the library uh they 1150 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,639 is 1151 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:40,539 on the topic tuesdays do not work for three of the trustees um they have programs scheduled for 1152 00:48:40,539 --> 00:48:46,219 september several dates in september that's a tuesday the 27th yeah yes i can't be there 1153 00:48:46,219 --> 00:48:56,340 which all thursdays um so it's going to be hard to get everybody from every board maybe we should 1154 00:48:56,340 --> 00:49:03,500 just pick a date and say well everything comes from me so how about a pick a monday or a wednesday 1155 00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:09,239 pick a day yeah mondays are good i can't be too sure but that's not necessary you can't have it 1156 00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:14,739 go fast pick a day i think monday some monday would be better for me for me 1157 00:49:17,460 --> 00:49:22,659 well the second and fourth mondays are planning commissions right so just to put that in there 1158 00:49:22,659 --> 00:49:30,579 first or third fourth are planning and the third is conservation yeah ah okay so first monday 1159 00:49:32,340 --> 00:49:34,019 okay first october 1160 00:49:35,059 --> 00:49:38,820 monday yeah september so first monday yep 1161 00:49:41,219 --> 00:49:54,170 monday october i'm gonna be gone okay all right um that's october how about november 1162 00:49:55,369 --> 00:50:04,920 or another day or another day in october or wednesday in october wednesday you know are you 1163 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:05,960 going all the week 1164 00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:16,550 i'm going from september3 october3 the 10th okay what about um that's october 1165 00:50:16,550 --> 00:50:22,460 yeah i think we should do our totals 1166 00:50:22,460 --> 00:50:23,769 yeah i think we should do our totals 1167 00:50:23,769 --> 00:50:31,900 it's definitely sooner than later because the closer we get to all the holidays after all the days 1168 00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:32,699 november is a holiday for most vermowners 1169 00:50:32,699 --> 00:50:34,760 want to try september 1170 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:35,900 i'm on vacation 1171 00:50:35,900 --> 00:50:37,019 yeah november is a holiday for most vermonters 1172 00:50:37,019 --> 00:50:37,800 september 13th is a holiday for most vermonters 1173 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:38,679 for most vermonters 1174 00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:39,940 September. 1175 00:50:39,940 --> 00:50:41,940 It just can't be a Monday. 1176 00:50:41,940 --> 00:50:42,940 Yeah. 1177 00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:44,940 So, September Wednesday. 1178 00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:48,940 Wednesday you could do September 23rd, September 30th. 1179 00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:54,380 You could do October 13th, October 21st. 1180 00:50:54,380 --> 00:50:58,110 Shoot for the 23rd of September. 1181 00:50:58,110 --> 00:51:00,110 When they say no, then we're going to October. 1182 00:51:00,110 --> 00:51:01,110 Yeah. 1183 00:51:01,110 --> 00:51:02,110 But let's go early and see what we can do. 1184 00:51:02,110 --> 00:51:04,110 Well, I think we just should set a date. 1185 00:51:04,110 --> 00:51:05,110 Who comes? 1186 00:51:05,110 --> 00:51:06,110 September 23rd. 1187 00:51:06,110 --> 00:51:08,110 That's a Wednesday. 1188 00:51:08,110 --> 00:51:09,110 Let it be done. 1189 00:51:09,110 --> 00:51:10,110 And so it was. 1190 00:51:10,110 --> 00:51:11,110 6 o'clock. 1191 00:51:11,110 --> 00:51:12,110 Have a moment. 1192 00:51:12,110 --> 00:51:14,110 I won't be here, but you guys can handle it. 1193 00:51:14,110 --> 00:51:15,110 I learned some of this stuff somewhere along the line. 1194 00:51:15,110 --> 00:51:16,110 I don't know where it was. 1195 00:51:16,110 --> 00:51:17,110 6 p.m. 1196 00:51:17,110 --> 00:51:18,500 Okay. 1197 00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:19,500 I will get in touch with the school and library. 1198 00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:20,500 Nancy. 1199 00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:21,500 School. 1200 00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:22,500 All right. 1201 00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:23,500 Tennis court inspection. 1202 00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:24,500 Okay. 1203 00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:52,840 Oh, tennis court inspection. 1204 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,840 We talked about it. 1205 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,159 Removing a couple meetings ago. 1206 00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:02,159 Removing all the stuff in there because it looks pretty bad. 1207 00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:06,289 And I mentioned it too, about the groups that use it. 1208 00:52:06,289 --> 00:52:07,289 And they have good intentions. 1209 00:52:07,289 --> 00:52:08,289 It was beautiful. 1210 00:52:08,289 --> 00:52:09,289 Then they walk away. 1211 00:52:09,289 --> 00:52:12,289 And now it's really a tripping hazard. 1212 00:52:12,289 --> 00:52:15,289 It looks terrible down there. 1213 00:52:15,289 --> 00:52:19,289 Weeds and broken blacktop and fences. 1214 00:52:19,289 --> 00:52:20,449 Not good. 1215 00:52:20,449 --> 00:52:21,449 So, okay. 1216 00:52:21,449 --> 00:52:22,449 So that being said. 1217 00:52:22,449 --> 00:52:23,610 I'm going to get in touch with you guys. 1218 00:52:23,610 --> 00:52:27,610 So that being said, all of a sudden, Laurie, you can go on here. 1219 00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:28,309 What happens? 1220 00:52:29,110 --> 00:52:30,110 Oh, wait a minute. 1221 00:52:30,429 --> 00:52:34,550 We got the grant for the tennis court in 1974, $7,000. 1222 00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:42,320 And for many years, the select board maintained it with painting, striping, and new nets. 1223 00:52:43,019 --> 00:52:49,030 And then probably maybe 20 years ago, I called. 1224 00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:53,519 It can't be more than, I don't know, 15 anyway. 1225 00:52:53,519 --> 00:53:01,920 Like years ago, I called the state and the LCT and told them about this grant that we got for the tennis court. 1226 00:53:02,059 --> 00:53:04,960 But it's not feasible to maintain it anymore. 1227 00:53:05,099 --> 00:53:06,280 Nobody was using it. 1228 00:53:08,219 --> 00:53:12,139 And they told me the life expectancy of the tennis court is 30 years. 1229 00:53:12,539 --> 00:53:15,940 So that's when we decided to do something with it. 1230 00:53:15,940 --> 00:53:19,019 And that's when Seed Savers jumped in and said we want to use it. 1231 00:53:19,710 --> 00:53:22,300 Then, two weeks ago, Laurie. 1232 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:22,960 Clear blue. 1233 00:53:23,219 --> 00:53:23,539 A guy. 1234 00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:26,000 Comes to my window to inspect our tennis courts. 1235 00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:27,000 What? 1236 00:53:28,070 --> 00:53:28,550 Yeah. 1237 00:53:29,369 --> 00:53:30,469 50 years later. 1238 00:53:30,969 --> 00:53:31,530 That's bad. 1239 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,360 Never have they been here before. 1240 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,000 How old was the guy? 1241 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,679 How was he getting paid a year? 1242 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,599 That was under 50 years old. 1243 00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:43,630 She had to wait for him to be born before he was born. 1244 00:53:47,940 --> 00:53:53,570 He was okay with just marking that the tennis court was obsolete. 1245 00:53:53,570 --> 00:53:56,250 It had lived its life and was done. 1246 00:53:56,469 --> 00:53:57,670 But because it was converted. 1247 00:53:57,670 --> 00:54:01,349 So it was converted into a garden that has now fallen into disarray. 1248 00:54:01,349 --> 00:54:03,349 We're kind of written up for that. 1249 00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:11,889 And he gave us six months to clean it up, straighten it out, and send him pictures that everything is in it. 1250 00:54:11,889 --> 00:54:13,889 Does that mean like just make it look pretty? 1251 00:54:13,889 --> 00:54:15,889 Graphic kind of design. 1252 00:54:15,889 --> 00:54:21,889 So that if we went in, mowed things down, and then took pictures of it, sent it in. 1253 00:54:21,889 --> 00:54:25,929 Or we can just take pictures of something else and send it to him. 1254 00:54:25,929 --> 00:54:26,429 Yeah. 1255 00:54:26,429 --> 00:54:27,309 50 years from now. 1256 00:54:27,309 --> 00:54:29,309 50 years from now, he's going to come down. 1257 00:54:29,309 --> 00:54:31,309 That son could do some graphic design. 1258 00:54:31,309 --> 00:54:33,309 Oh, that's right Nick. 1259 00:54:33,309 --> 00:54:35,309 Nick will make it look beautiful. 1260 00:54:35,309 --> 00:54:37,309 50 years he's going to come down. 1261 00:54:37,309 --> 00:54:39,309 Six months, you better do this. 1262 00:54:39,309 --> 00:54:41,309 Or what? 1263 00:54:41,309 --> 00:54:43,309 It's going to be a while before it develops. 1264 00:54:43,309 --> 00:54:45,309 Do they want the $7,000? 1265 00:54:45,309 --> 00:54:47,309 Do you imagine? 1266 00:54:47,309 --> 00:54:49,309 Honestly, it's not being used. 1267 00:54:49,309 --> 00:54:51,309 It's still taking up to $40,000. 1268 00:54:51,309 --> 00:54:53,309 You know? 1269 00:54:53,309 --> 00:54:55,309 We don't even know what. 1270 00:54:55,309 --> 00:54:57,309 You know, you talk about rules. 1271 00:54:57,309 --> 00:54:59,309 Here's a rule with no consequence. 1272 00:54:59,309 --> 00:55:01,309 Like we said, it's a tripping hazard. 1273 00:55:01,309 --> 00:55:03,309 Exactly. 1274 00:55:03,309 --> 00:55:05,309 What happens if we don't work? 1275 00:55:05,309 --> 00:55:07,309 We have a mess. 1276 00:55:07,309 --> 00:55:09,309 So it's got to be reclaimed. 1277 00:55:09,309 --> 00:55:11,309 Well, why can't we? 1278 00:55:11,309 --> 00:55:13,309 It's got a fence around it, right? 1279 00:55:13,309 --> 00:55:15,309 Well, you can get in the fence like nothing. 1280 00:55:15,309 --> 00:55:17,309 It's just bad. 1281 00:55:17,309 --> 00:55:19,309 Somebody needs to come down with a weak leg. 1282 00:55:19,309 --> 00:55:21,309 And clean things up. 1283 00:55:21,309 --> 00:55:25,309 Even last year, I wanted that cleaned up because it looks bad for the area. 1284 00:55:25,309 --> 00:55:27,309 It's embarrassing to see that in the school. 1285 00:55:27,309 --> 00:55:29,309 We talked about that. 1286 00:55:29,309 --> 00:55:31,309 Give a dumpster and do it. 1287 00:55:31,309 --> 00:55:33,309 Let's have a community clean-up day. 1288 00:55:33,309 --> 00:55:35,309 Can't you just take the fence down and clean it all out? 1289 00:55:35,309 --> 00:55:41,309 There's a lot of stuff that could hurt a person that's trained for that. 1290 00:55:41,309 --> 00:55:43,400 So... 1291 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,400 Jim? 1292 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,400 My opinion is get a dumpster day. 1293 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,440 Get down there and see what they can do. 1294 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,440 The school. 1295 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,440 I do. 1296 00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,440 I kind of hope somebody will have to go through to get a dumpster out here. 1297 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,920 We've got to inform the school. 1298 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,920 Yeah. 1299 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,920 You're going to probably have to wait. 1300 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,750 How big a dumpster do you think you're going to need? 1301 00:56:10,750 --> 00:56:12,750 There's a thing. 1302 00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:14,750 There's some wood. 1303 00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:16,750 There's some steel. 1304 00:56:16,750 --> 00:56:18,750 I don't know if I can mix it all together. 1305 00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:20,750 It's got to be dry enough to dry trucks down there. 1306 00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:22,750 Can you throw the wood on your truck? 1307 00:56:22,750 --> 00:56:24,750 Yes, I can. 1308 00:56:24,750 --> 00:56:26,750 It just becomes all... 1309 00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:28,750 I might bring it up and dump it off. 1310 00:56:28,750 --> 00:56:32,750 Or I can't use the truck until I can get the escalator back up there. 1311 00:56:32,750 --> 00:56:34,750 I mean, there's always more to it. 1312 00:56:34,750 --> 00:56:36,750 We're just going to clean this up. 1313 00:56:36,750 --> 00:56:38,750 I hate to put my neck out there. 1314 00:56:38,750 --> 00:56:40,750 I hate to put my neck out there. 1315 00:56:40,750 --> 00:56:44,750 But it was small enough for dump trailers. 1316 00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:46,750 I have two that drop them off. 1317 00:56:46,750 --> 00:56:48,750 You put wood and dirt in one of them. 1318 00:56:48,750 --> 00:56:51,039 Debris and steel in the other one. 1319 00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:53,039 And I'll take them away. 1320 00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:55,039 Don't ask where they're going. 1321 00:56:55,039 --> 00:56:57,039 It's none of your business. 1322 00:56:57,039 --> 00:56:59,039 It probably has to be done when there's no school. 1323 00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:01,039 When's that? 1324 00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:03,039 They must have some days off. 1325 00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:05,039 They're all... 1326 00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:07,039 I've got to line up. 1327 00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:09,039 The board is six months from now. 1328 00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:11,039 The dumpster's got to be... 1329 00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:13,039 The dumpster's we got for the other building. 1330 00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:15,039 We don't have six months, 1331 00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:17,039 but there's snow for two months. 1332 00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:19,039 What's he thinking? 1333 00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:21,039 It seems like the best thing for us 1334 00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:23,039 is to pick up the snow. 1335 00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:25,039 It's beautiful. 1336 00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:27,039 And then deal with it. 1337 00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:29,039 That's a good start. 1338 00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:31,039 Six months? 1339 00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:33,039 It has snow for six months. 1340 00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:35,039 Yeah. 1341 00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,039 I don't care about that. 1342 00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:39,039 There you go. 1343 00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:41,039 I think somebody's got to 1344 00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:43,039 step up and take care of the 1345 00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:45,039 state's thing. 1346 00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:47,039 You know, fines and stuff. 1347 00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:49,039 I don't think he's going to fine us. 1348 00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:51,039 Plan for next year. 1349 00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,039 No, this spring. 1350 00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:55,039 I mean this fall. 1351 00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:57,039 I know that I can get down there. 1352 00:57:57,039 --> 00:57:59,039 That's what I'm saying. 1353 00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:01,039 I mean, we're talking six months. 1354 00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:03,039 You've got three days. 1355 00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:05,039 I can get the excavator down here 1356 00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:07,039 and a couple of my trucks 1357 00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:09,039 and clean up, let's say, the wood. 1358 00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:11,039 The whole fence and all that's going to be more of a pain 1359 00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:13,039 than just 1360 00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:15,039 touch up what the mess is. 1361 00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:17,039 I can get rid of that fairly easy. 1362 00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:19,039 Spread out some dirt. 1363 00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:21,039 The fence is what's going to be a pain in the neck. 1364 00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:23,039 You've got to take all that down. 1365 00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:25,039 The post's got to come out. 1366 00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:27,420 I'm sure they're kind of treated now. 1367 00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:29,420 You can't just rip all that down. 1368 00:58:29,420 --> 00:58:31,420 This is going to be a tangled mess. 1369 00:58:31,420 --> 00:58:33,420 Right, right. 1370 00:58:33,420 --> 00:58:35,420 I'll find out when there's going to be school vacation. 1371 00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:37,420 Something must be coming up. 1372 00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:39,840 Or some days. 1373 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,840 The big thing is, 1374 00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,840 if you find out, let's just say 1375 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,840 they say, okay, 1376 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,059 September 20th, they got a day off. 1377 00:58:48,059 --> 00:58:50,059 Then he calls for the dumpster and they go, 1378 00:58:50,059 --> 00:58:52,059 oh, you can't get one up. 1379 00:58:52,059 --> 00:58:54,059 Right, right. 1380 00:58:54,059 --> 00:58:56,059 The timing is, 1381 00:58:56,059 --> 00:58:58,059 the logistics of it all. 1382 00:58:58,059 --> 00:59:00,059 It sounds stupid. 1383 00:59:00,059 --> 00:59:02,059 It's a stupid thing that 1384 00:59:02,059 --> 00:59:04,059 it's so easy to do 1385 00:59:04,059 --> 00:59:06,059 to get rid of it. 1386 00:59:06,059 --> 00:59:08,059 I'll bring them down 1387 00:59:08,059 --> 00:59:10,059 their boat. 1388 00:59:10,059 --> 00:59:12,059 I keep an eye out for the town trucks. 1389 00:59:12,059 --> 00:59:14,059 For now, if I don't have to worry about the fence, 1390 00:59:14,059 --> 00:59:16,059 I'm just meeting it up. 1391 00:59:16,059 --> 00:59:18,059 Get the truck in there, 1392 00:59:18,059 --> 00:59:20,059 spread out some dirt. 1393 00:59:20,059 --> 00:59:22,059 How about do all that 1394 00:59:22,059 --> 00:59:24,059 and we'll worry about the fence another time. 1395 00:59:24,059 --> 00:59:26,059 That should make the state 1396 00:59:26,059 --> 00:59:28,059 happy enough. 1397 00:59:28,059 --> 00:59:30,059 If we didn't, then they might say, 1398 00:59:30,059 --> 00:59:32,059 well, that's nice, but you've got to take the fence down. 1399 00:59:32,059 --> 00:59:34,119 We've got another six months. 1400 00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:36,119 That's it. 1401 00:59:36,119 --> 00:59:38,119 Just complying nine times out of ten 1402 00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:40,119 is enough. 1403 00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:42,119 Take the trucks down. 1404 00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:44,119 Did he have parameters set up? 1405 00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:46,250 What needs to be done with it? 1406 00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:48,250 I've got like 1407 00:59:48,250 --> 00:59:50,599 page after page after page. 1408 00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:52,599 What? 1409 00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:54,599 Lots of pages, lots of pictures. 1410 00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:57,239 If we change our mind, 1411 00:59:57,239 --> 00:59:59,239 we're going to play tennis there. 1412 00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:01,239 Right. 1413 01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:03,239 Aren't play courts kind of old-fashioned? 1414 01:00:03,239 --> 01:00:05,239 There you go. 1415 01:00:05,239 --> 01:00:07,849 They didn't have concrete back in that way. 1416 01:00:07,849 --> 01:00:09,949 Anyways, 1417 01:00:09,949 --> 01:00:11,949 let's do our best. 1418 01:00:11,949 --> 01:00:13,949 I'd say clean up everything we can. 1419 01:00:13,949 --> 01:00:15,949 I'd rather do it 1420 01:00:15,949 --> 01:00:17,949 than go to school. 1421 01:00:17,949 --> 01:00:19,980 I'll find out. 1422 01:00:19,980 --> 01:00:22,199 Clean up as best you can. 1423 01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:24,400 Like Jed's saying. 1424 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,400 We made it in time. 1425 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,400 We made it in time. 1426 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,650 I don't know what 1427 01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:32,650 's in there for dirt. 1428 01:00:32,650 --> 01:00:34,650 There could be some 1429 01:00:34,650 --> 01:00:36,650 in the compost bins. 1430 01:00:36,650 --> 01:00:40,250 There's not much. 1431 01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:42,250 No. 1432 01:00:42,250 --> 01:00:44,440 Okay. 1433 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,440 Old bits. 1434 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,440 Anything else under corresponding for us? 1435 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,510 Are we skipping over zoning? 1436 01:00:50,510 --> 01:00:52,510 Weren't we going to talk about that up front? 1437 01:00:52,510 --> 01:00:54,510 I'm just 1438 01:00:54,510 --> 01:00:56,510 going to let the old business. 1439 01:00:56,510 --> 01:00:58,889 Go for it. 1440 01:00:58,889 --> 01:01:01,820 It was 1441 01:01:01,820 --> 01:01:03,820 just a continuation 1442 01:01:03,820 --> 01:01:05,820 of our conversation 1443 01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:07,849 two weeks ago 1444 01:01:07,849 --> 01:01:10,460 regarding small sheds 1445 01:01:10,460 --> 01:01:13,099 and how 1446 01:01:13,099 --> 01:01:15,389 they should be permitted. 1447 01:01:15,389 --> 01:01:17,389 Because right now 1448 01:01:17,389 --> 01:01:19,389 we're doing just a filing phase. 1449 01:01:19,389 --> 01:01:21,389 Do you mean permitted or permitted? 1450 01:01:21,389 --> 01:01:23,389 Permitted. 1451 01:01:23,389 --> 01:01:25,389 And I'll tell you 1452 01:01:25,389 --> 01:01:27,389 what I've come up with. 1453 01:01:27,389 --> 01:01:29,389 Structures 1454 01:01:29,389 --> 01:01:31,480 on a 1455 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,480 property that are attached 1456 01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,480 now to a building that are 1457 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,480 300 square feet 1458 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,960 are going to be 1459 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,230 accessory to 1460 01:01:45,230 --> 01:01:47,230 That's going to be through 1461 01:01:47,230 --> 01:01:49,230 a new bylaw? 1462 01:01:49,230 --> 01:01:51,230 No. 1463 01:01:51,230 --> 01:01:53,230 It's my interpretation of 1464 01:01:53,230 --> 01:01:55,230 the existing bylaws. 1465 01:01:55,230 --> 01:01:57,230 But we weren't 1466 01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:59,639 doing that, correct? 1467 01:01:59,639 --> 01:02:01,769 No. I think Jim was 1468 01:02:01,769 --> 01:02:03,769 and I think Ron Falk was. 1469 01:02:03,769 --> 01:02:06,639 So 1470 01:02:06,639 --> 01:02:08,639 a dungeon of a 1471 01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:10,639 building that is under 1472 01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:12,639 300 square feet 1473 01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:14,639 is it that 1474 01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:16,639 is at the discretion of 1475 01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:18,639 the select board or 1476 01:02:18,639 --> 01:02:20,639 the zoning administrator 1477 01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:22,639 how it will be handled. 1478 01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:24,639 My thought is 1479 01:02:24,639 --> 01:02:26,639 it can't be moved. 1480 01:02:26,639 --> 01:02:28,639 So you put a porch on it, 1481 01:02:28,639 --> 01:02:30,639 it can't be moved. 1482 01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:32,639 It's a little tiny porch 1483 01:02:32,639 --> 01:02:34,639 but it can't be moved 1484 01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:36,639 so it becomes part of the taxable 1485 01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:38,639 value 1486 01:02:38,639 --> 01:02:40,639 of the house. 1487 01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:42,639 Take a 10 by 10 shed 1488 01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:44,639 and put it out in your yard. 1489 01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:46,639 You can move it all over the place. 1490 01:02:46,639 --> 01:02:48,639 You can take it with you when you move. 1491 01:02:48,639 --> 01:02:50,639 So it is not 1492 01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:52,639 taxable. 1493 01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:54,920 I understand. 1494 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,920 I think it is 1495 01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,079 taxable. 1496 01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:01,119 Is it? 1497 01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:03,630 Our buildings are taxable. 1498 01:03:03,630 --> 01:03:05,630 How? 1499 01:03:05,630 --> 01:03:07,630 That's the notice of the board. 1500 01:03:07,630 --> 01:03:09,630 Right. I understand that. 1501 01:03:09,630 --> 01:03:11,630 There's probably not much of a fee on there. 1502 01:03:11,630 --> 01:03:13,630 I don't know. 1503 01:03:13,630 --> 01:03:16,360 But they are part of your value. 1504 01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,900 But that's where 1505 01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:21,900 last meeting I asked 1506 01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:23,900 we should in the bylaws 1507 01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:26,090 have a minimal 1508 01:03:26,090 --> 01:03:28,090 number and we don't. 1509 01:03:28,090 --> 01:03:30,090 We have zero is our number. 1510 01:03:30,090 --> 01:03:32,090 What do you mean zero? 1511 01:03:32,090 --> 01:03:34,090 Because we have a maximum 1512 01:03:34,090 --> 01:03:36,090 number we say after this number 1513 01:03:36,090 --> 01:03:38,090 I don't know what it is. 1514 01:03:38,090 --> 01:03:40,090 300 square feet. 1515 01:03:40,090 --> 01:03:42,090 After that is a permit. 1516 01:03:42,090 --> 01:03:44,090 Correct. 1517 01:03:44,090 --> 01:03:46,090 And this is what you have. 1518 01:03:46,090 --> 01:03:48,090 But going down 1519 01:03:48,090 --> 01:03:50,090 we don't have anything that says 1520 01:03:50,090 --> 01:03:52,090 a bread house. 1521 01:03:52,090 --> 01:03:54,090 It's funny right? 1522 01:03:54,090 --> 01:03:56,090 I can go a little bigger and go with a dog house. 1523 01:03:56,090 --> 01:03:58,090 And then we can go to 1524 01:03:58,090 --> 01:04:00,090 a kids camp on the property line. 1525 01:04:00,090 --> 01:04:02,090 So where do you stop? 1526 01:04:02,090 --> 01:04:04,090 That's what I'm saying. I don't like the idea 1527 01:04:04,090 --> 01:04:06,090 of permitting a kids camp on the property line. 1528 01:04:06,090 --> 01:04:08,090 If the neighbor has a problem 1529 01:04:08,090 --> 01:04:10,090 let them figure it out. 1530 01:04:10,090 --> 01:04:12,159 Because I really don't like 1531 01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:14,280 that type of living up here. 1532 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,280 I don't like the idea 1533 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,280 that someone is going to make me 1534 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,280 get a permit for a dog coop. 1535 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,280 As a matter of fact 1536 01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,280 no one is going to see my dog coop 1537 01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,280 but on the main road they're going to. 1538 01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,280 So it's almost not fair. 1539 01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,280 So I think we should have 1540 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,980 a lower number too. 1541 01:04:33,980 --> 01:04:35,980 To let people say 1542 01:04:35,980 --> 01:04:38,719 I built a chicken coop. 1543 01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:40,719 My son Steve's got a chicken coop as well. 1544 01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:42,719 You can put your hands around it. 1545 01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:44,719 He didn't get a permit for it. 1546 01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:46,719 Nobody said anything to him. 1547 01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:48,719 He should have. 1548 01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:50,719 But aren't there cultural buildings? 1549 01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:52,719 Well we said that last time. 1550 01:04:52,719 --> 01:04:54,719 Lori did because Lori worked for the town house a lot. 1551 01:04:54,719 --> 01:04:56,719 These other people don't. 1552 01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:58,719 It's a $15 house. 1553 01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:00,719 And I know it's not the money. 1554 01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:02,880 It's just that 1555 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,880 once we start making those rules 1556 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,880 and then we say well 1557 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,880 I didn't know I had to have one for a bird house. 1558 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,480 So 1559 01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,190 Luke had ostriches at one time. 1560 01:05:14,190 --> 01:05:16,190 I'm a bird so that's a bigger bird house. 1561 01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:18,190 So we can go anywhere. 1562 01:05:18,190 --> 01:05:20,190 Right? 1563 01:05:20,190 --> 01:05:22,190 So my point is 1564 01:05:22,190 --> 01:05:24,190 and then we go 1565 01:05:24,190 --> 01:05:26,190 we start forcing it. 1566 01:05:26,190 --> 01:05:28,190 We go up and say you didn't get it. 1567 01:05:28,190 --> 01:05:30,190 We're going to give you a fine now. 1568 01:05:30,190 --> 01:05:32,190 Because the ones over $300 has a double 1569 01:05:32,190 --> 01:05:34,190 the cost of the permit fine. 1570 01:05:34,190 --> 01:05:36,190 Correct? 1571 01:05:36,190 --> 01:05:38,190 So if it was $100 now it's $200. 1572 01:05:38,190 --> 01:05:40,409 And you have to go through a process. 1573 01:05:40,409 --> 01:05:42,409 Because you're denied for the first one. 1574 01:05:42,409 --> 01:05:44,409 Right? 1575 01:05:44,409 --> 01:05:46,409 Not necessarily denying it. 1576 01:05:46,409 --> 01:05:48,409 But you stop work on it. 1577 01:05:48,409 --> 01:05:50,409 I don't really want 1578 01:05:50,409 --> 01:05:52,409 this is just my opinion. 1579 01:05:52,409 --> 01:05:54,409 I just think that it's kind of like what we're talking about 1580 01:05:54,409 --> 01:05:57,659 with the trash place up there. 1581 01:05:57,659 --> 01:06:00,110 Recycling thing. 1582 01:06:00,110 --> 01:06:02,110 I don't want to get it to the point where 1583 01:06:02,110 --> 01:06:04,110 it's so hard to live in this small little town 1584 01:06:04,110 --> 01:06:06,110 that we're nitpicking on small stuff. 1585 01:06:06,110 --> 01:06:08,110 But on the other hand 1586 01:06:08,110 --> 01:06:10,110 you're going to have the first person say 1587 01:06:10,110 --> 01:06:12,110 well if there's a rule 1588 01:06:12,110 --> 01:06:14,110 you have to follow the rule. 1589 01:06:14,110 --> 01:06:16,300 And your job is hard because of that. 1590 01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:18,300 So back before 1591 01:06:18,300 --> 01:06:20,300 we started with different fees 1592 01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:22,300 everything was basically $100. 1593 01:06:22,300 --> 01:06:24,300 Right? 1594 01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:26,300 Or $115. 1595 01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:28,300 The AO got X amount 1596 01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:30,300 and the town got the filing fee. 1597 01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:32,300 Now 1598 01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:34,300 I'm going crazy 1599 01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:36,300 permitting these 1600 01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:38,300 small structures 1601 01:06:38,300 --> 01:06:40,300 for no fee. 1602 01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:42,360 For me. 1603 01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,360 It's a lot of work for a shed. 1604 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,360 But I'm thinking 1605 01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,619 well take your fee out of it right now. 1606 01:06:48,619 --> 01:06:50,619 I don't have a fee. 1607 01:06:50,619 --> 01:06:52,619 You just mentioned 1608 01:06:52,619 --> 01:06:54,619 you don't get a fee. 1609 01:06:54,619 --> 01:06:56,619 But are you saying that we should be 1610 01:06:56,619 --> 01:06:58,880 having a fee 1611 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,880 for structures under 300 feet? 1612 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,940 Under 1613 01:07:02,940 --> 01:07:05,679 300 square feet? 1614 01:07:05,679 --> 01:07:07,679 I think the AO 1615 01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:09,679 whoever it is going to be moving forward 1616 01:07:09,679 --> 01:07:11,679 I always say that 1617 01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:14,000 should be compensated for their time. 1618 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,000 And I've said it 1619 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,000 four or five years ago 1620 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,000 I say it all the time 1621 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,000 everybody has a hybrid system. 1622 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,000 Where they're compensated 1623 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,000 for the hour and a portion 1624 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,000 of the fee. 1625 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,000 That's another discussion. 1626 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,000 And we decided not to do that. 1627 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,219 We talked about it. 1628 01:07:34,219 --> 01:07:36,219 I mean 1629 01:07:36,219 --> 01:07:38,219 I have a tough time 1630 01:07:38,219 --> 01:07:40,219 going forward with that discussion 1631 01:07:40,219 --> 01:07:42,219 if we don't go forward with 1632 01:07:42,219 --> 01:07:44,219 the bylaws having a 1633 01:07:44,219 --> 01:07:46,320 it has to be 1634 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,320 clear. 1635 01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,320 And right now 1636 01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,320 it's clear but it's not enforced. 1637 01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,320 Your examples you're using 1638 01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,320 are kind of off base 1639 01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,320 because you're using agriculture 1640 01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,320 which is a total different ball game. 1641 01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,320 So I could build 1642 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,320 a 300 foot long 1643 01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,320 building 1644 01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,320 without a permit. Well a notice. 1645 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,320 Because I have a farm. 1646 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,320 A legal farm. 1647 01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,320 And I could make 1648 01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,319 pig runs as long as I want. 1649 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:18,319 Are you putting in a notice though? 1650 01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,319 Yes. 1651 01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:22,319 I'm paying taxes 1652 01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:24,319 on the value. 1653 01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:26,319 But you do have to get a $15 notice. 1654 01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:28,319 A permit. 1655 01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,319 Well it's not a permit. 1656 01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,319 It's a notification. 1657 01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:34,319 But that's what we're talking about 1658 01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:36,319 with all these sheds. 1659 01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:38,319 They're not permits. 1660 01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,319 We disagree on some things 1661 01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,319 but one thing I do agree with 1662 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,319 is the compensation part. 1663 01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,600 So 1664 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,600 I believe the AO 1665 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:50,600 has evolved 1666 01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,600 over the past 10 years 1667 01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,600 in the development 1668 01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,600 where you know 1669 01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,600 I was getting $35 1670 01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,600 if I remember right 1671 01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,600 on a shed. 1672 01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,600 I was getting $35 1673 01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,600 and you were getting 1674 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,600 I can't remember what it was. 1675 01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,600 At some point though 1676 01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,600 the shed 1677 01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,600 I came before this board 1678 01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,600 when I first became AO 1679 01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,600 and said hey the state says 1680 01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,600 that they can have 1681 01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,600 just a notification they can have a 300 square foot. 1682 01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,600 And I refused to charge people 1683 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,829 the $110 fee 1684 01:09:26,829 --> 01:09:28,920 or we had a $35 shed fee. 1685 01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,079 Why did you refuse it? 1686 01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:33,079 Because you thought 1687 01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:35,079 it was wrong? 1688 01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:37,079 I didn't think it was wrong. 1689 01:09:37,079 --> 01:09:39,079 It was wrong. 1690 01:09:39,079 --> 01:09:41,079 It was against the law. 1691 01:09:41,079 --> 01:09:43,079 Our bylaws were against the law? 1692 01:09:43,079 --> 01:09:45,079 There was about six of them 1693 01:09:45,079 --> 01:09:47,079 that were against the law. 1694 01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:49,079 That's what I'm asking. 1695 01:09:49,079 --> 01:09:51,079 So that's what I'm saying. 1696 01:09:51,079 --> 01:09:53,079 So we're talking 1697 01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:55,079 if you want me to switch the examples 1698 01:09:55,079 --> 01:09:57,079 I could. A treehouse 1699 01:09:57,079 --> 01:09:59,079 that's not agricultural but it's a treehouse 1700 01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:01,079 and I've seen some damn nice treehouses 1701 01:10:01,079 --> 01:10:03,079 as a matter of fact 1702 01:10:03,079 --> 01:10:05,079 someone one time stayed in a treehouse 1703 01:10:05,079 --> 01:10:07,079 like an Airbnb that I know. 1704 01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:09,079 And that has come up in a conversation 1705 01:10:09,079 --> 01:10:11,079 at the planning commission. 1706 01:10:11,079 --> 01:10:13,079 Treehouse is something that's going to be discussed. 1707 01:10:13,079 --> 01:10:15,079 That's why we have to 1708 01:10:15,079 --> 01:10:17,079 we have to go back to the ground board 1709 01:10:17,079 --> 01:10:19,079 again I said this earlier in a meeting 1710 01:10:19,079 --> 01:10:21,079 we're not perfect but we're better than we were. 1711 01:10:21,079 --> 01:10:23,079 But if you read the state law on treehouses 1712 01:10:23,079 --> 01:10:25,079 a treehouse is defined 1713 01:10:25,079 --> 01:10:27,079 as 1714 01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:29,079 so the kind you don't need 1715 01:10:29,079 --> 01:10:31,079 a permit for. A children's 1716 01:10:31,079 --> 01:10:33,079 playground. 1717 01:10:33,079 --> 01:10:35,079 But if you're staying in it like an Airbnb 1718 01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:37,079 that's a little issue there. 1719 01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:39,079 That's a tree dwelling. 1720 01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:41,079 Tree dwelling. 1721 01:10:41,079 --> 01:10:43,079 I agree. 1722 01:10:43,079 --> 01:10:45,079 I'm all for not making a damn guy 1723 01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:47,079 get a permit for a treehouse. 1724 01:10:47,079 --> 01:10:49,079 We just need 1725 01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:51,079 some language changes in our 1726 01:10:51,079 --> 01:10:53,079 bylaws. 1727 01:10:53,079 --> 01:10:55,079 But our bylaws are correct. 1728 01:10:55,079 --> 01:10:57,079 You don't need a permit 1729 01:10:57,079 --> 01:10:59,439 for a treehouse. 1730 01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,439 Now what about the notice that we're talking about? 1731 01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,439 Okay. So 1732 01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,439 you said you could put a chicken coop 1733 01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,439 100 foot long. 1734 01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,439 You come down 1735 01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,439 you give her a notice $15 recorded fee. 1736 01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,439 What Deb's saying is 1737 01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,439 you do it now and you don't 1738 01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,630 come down. And Deb goes 1739 01:11:17,630 --> 01:11:19,630 well you needed to do that and you didn't 1740 01:11:19,630 --> 01:11:21,630 do it. So she 1741 01:11:21,630 --> 01:11:23,630 takes it as her job 1742 01:11:23,630 --> 01:11:25,630 is to enforce the bylaws. 1743 01:11:25,630 --> 01:11:27,630 Exactly. She comes down 1744 01:11:27,630 --> 01:11:29,630 and she says Jim didn't get a 1745 01:11:29,630 --> 01:11:31,630 filing fee. Oh well now 1746 01:11:31,630 --> 01:11:34,010 what do we do next? 1747 01:11:34,010 --> 01:11:36,010 That's where it starts getting gray. 1748 01:11:36,010 --> 01:11:38,010 Case in point. 1749 01:11:38,010 --> 01:11:40,010 The Methodist Church. 1750 01:11:40,010 --> 01:11:42,239 They put a 1751 01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:44,239 put a deck on the back of the 1752 01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:46,239 church and 1753 01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:48,239 didn't comply 1754 01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:50,239 well and it was just 1755 01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:52,239 it was actually 1756 01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:54,239 egress from 1757 01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:56,239 so they could get out the back. 1758 01:11:56,239 --> 01:11:58,680 So they had egress and egress. 1759 01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,680 So it was really just a way for them to get 1760 01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,680 down. There was a landing and then 1761 01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,880 the stairs. Well 1762 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,880 they didn't come in. They didn't 1763 01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,800 get a permit. Would have been 1764 01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,800 a $15 notice. However 1765 01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,479 the way 1766 01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,479 I mean the property line goes through 1767 01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,479 the Methodist Church. I don't know if you're 1768 01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,479 aware of that. No. 1769 01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,479 So well at least 1770 01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,479 on paper when you do the GIS 1771 01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:27,149 mapping. So 1772 01:12:27,149 --> 01:12:29,149 their porch 1773 01:12:29,149 --> 01:12:31,149 or their stairs were on 1774 01:12:31,149 --> 01:12:33,149 quote unquote Dottie's property. 1775 01:12:33,149 --> 01:12:35,659 So they had 1776 01:12:35,659 --> 01:12:37,659 to take. So I had to enforce 1777 01:12:37,659 --> 01:12:39,659 them to take 1778 01:12:39,659 --> 01:12:41,659 it down and move it to 1779 01:12:41,659 --> 01:12:43,659 the other side. 1780 01:12:43,659 --> 01:12:45,659 For zero fee. Right. 1781 01:12:45,659 --> 01:12:47,659 Did they get their 1782 01:12:47,659 --> 01:12:49,659 $15 filing fee at that time? 1783 01:12:49,659 --> 01:12:51,659 Yeah. So they got 1784 01:12:51,659 --> 01:12:53,659 you went up. You enforced that. 1785 01:12:53,659 --> 01:12:55,659 You told me you got to do this. 1786 01:12:55,659 --> 01:12:57,659 You don't get the zero fee because we don't have 1787 01:12:57,659 --> 01:12:59,659 that in place. Right. Or you do get 1788 01:12:59,659 --> 01:13:01,720 the zero fee. You don't get any fee. Right. 1789 01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,720 For the we don't have it in place. 1790 01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,720 They did what you told them. 1791 01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,720 Period. That's it. Yep. 1792 01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,199 So what we need to do is go 1793 01:13:10,199 --> 01:13:12,199 back to the drawing board now 1794 01:13:12,199 --> 01:13:14,199 and say again just like you 1795 01:13:14,199 --> 01:13:16,199 were saying is you 1796 01:13:16,199 --> 01:13:18,199 agree that someone should be compensated 1797 01:13:18,199 --> 01:13:20,199 for this work. For 1798 01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:22,199 enforcing. For enforcing. 1799 01:13:22,199 --> 01:13:24,199 You know I mean I could 1800 01:13:24,199 --> 01:13:26,199 Well when you took the job you knew you weren't going to get it paid. 1801 01:13:26,199 --> 01:13:28,199 Now I hear 1802 01:13:28,199 --> 01:13:30,199 You used to get paid. Yeah. 1803 01:13:30,199 --> 01:13:32,199 So now what 1804 01:13:32,199 --> 01:13:34,199 happened? 1805 01:13:34,199 --> 01:13:36,199 First of all 1806 01:13:36,199 --> 01:13:38,199 when I first came on there was a 1807 01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:40,590 I want to say 1808 01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:42,590 $35 fee 1809 01:13:42,590 --> 01:13:44,590 I have to go through my paperwork now. 1810 01:13:44,590 --> 01:13:46,590 There was a $35 fee for a shed. 1811 01:13:46,590 --> 01:13:48,590 Okay. Or $30. 1812 01:13:48,590 --> 01:13:51,069 And I got 1813 01:13:51,069 --> 01:13:53,100 $30 and the 1814 01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:55,100 town got $5 for $5. Something like 1815 01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:57,100 that. But it was definitely a 1816 01:13:57,100 --> 01:13:59,100 sweat fee. But I think the other 1817 01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:01,100 thing that if 1818 01:14:01,100 --> 01:14:03,100 you don't come to our meetings or listen to our meetings 1819 01:14:03,100 --> 01:14:05,100 kind of idea 1820 01:14:05,100 --> 01:14:07,100 what we need to just 1821 01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:09,100 you know to have a permit for 1822 01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:11,100 and not have a permit for 1823 01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:13,100 it kind of becomes a 1824 01:14:13,100 --> 01:14:15,100 okay I don't need a permit to do this 1825 01:14:15,100 --> 01:14:17,100 but then if we're going to start 1826 01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:19,100 saying that we would like to 1827 01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:21,100 unnotice situation 1828 01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:23,100 does it now not behoove us 1829 01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:25,100 to say you need to come down no matter 1830 01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:27,100 what you're doing and fill out a 1831 01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:29,100 I've always said that. But I'm just saying inside 1832 01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:31,100 when you you know inside 1833 01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:33,100 our bylaws it needs to say 1834 01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:35,100 you need to file no matter what. 1835 01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:37,100 You put a board up you should file. Yeah. 1836 01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:39,100 So that way that starts 1837 01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:41,100 process of being you being 1838 01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:43,100 able to say it starts with a piece of paper 1839 01:14:43,100 --> 01:14:45,100 with all the mapping and everything 1840 01:14:45,100 --> 01:14:47,100 and you can just say okay here's your $15 1841 01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:49,100 fee you're done. And then 1842 01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:51,100 you know what's happening. Are there 1843 01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:53,100 But she doesn't get compensated for that. 1844 01:14:53,100 --> 01:14:55,739 I'm just saying but you don't get compensated. 1845 01:14:55,739 --> 01:14:57,739 I still have to go out 1846 01:14:57,739 --> 01:14:59,739 and make sure they're placing the shed 1847 01:14:59,739 --> 01:15:01,739 properly not on a 1848 01:15:01,739 --> 01:15:03,770 not on somebody else's 1849 01:15:03,770 --> 01:15:05,770 property line or 1850 01:15:05,770 --> 01:15:08,319 Pardon? 1851 01:15:08,319 --> 01:15:10,319 So it seems like it should be taxable 1852 01:15:10,319 --> 01:15:12,319 or non-taxable. It's real simple. 1853 01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:14,319 That's what I'm saying. 1854 01:15:14,319 --> 01:15:16,319 If it's taxable we should have a fee 1855 01:15:16,319 --> 01:15:18,319 you should get paid for 1856 01:15:18,319 --> 01:15:20,319 administrating the whole thing. 1857 01:15:20,319 --> 01:15:22,319 If it's not taxable 1858 01:15:22,319 --> 01:15:24,319 the town shouldn't be involved in it. Period. 1859 01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:26,319 But the state 1860 01:15:26,319 --> 01:15:28,319 actually says 1861 01:15:28,319 --> 01:15:30,319 under 300 square feet. 1862 01:15:30,319 --> 01:15:32,319 That's what bothers me is what is a structure 1863 01:15:32,319 --> 01:15:34,319 Like a structure 1864 01:15:34,319 --> 01:15:36,319 under 300 square feet 1865 01:15:36,319 --> 01:15:38,670 does not require 1866 01:15:38,670 --> 01:15:40,670 a permit. 1867 01:15:40,670 --> 01:15:42,670 That's taxable. 1868 01:15:42,670 --> 01:15:44,670 It doesn't require it but 1869 01:15:44,670 --> 01:15:46,670 can we require it as a town? 1870 01:15:46,670 --> 01:15:48,670 Maybe the state's 1871 01:15:48,670 --> 01:15:50,670 just being lenient and saying 1872 01:15:50,670 --> 01:15:52,670 Again you can always have something greater than what the 1873 01:15:52,670 --> 01:15:54,670 state says. Again agricultural 1874 01:15:54,670 --> 01:15:56,670 if you go out there and you look at these 1875 01:15:56,670 --> 01:15:58,670 beautiful homes that people were living in 1876 01:15:58,670 --> 01:16:00,670 and they have cows 1877 01:16:00,670 --> 01:16:02,670 and they have barns that are three times 1878 01:16:02,670 --> 01:16:04,670 longer than their houses. 1879 01:16:04,670 --> 01:16:06,670 The barn is being 1880 01:16:06,670 --> 01:16:08,670 assessed and they're paying 1881 01:16:08,670 --> 01:16:10,670 taxes on that barn. However 1882 01:16:10,670 --> 01:16:12,670 of course it's a business 1883 01:16:12,670 --> 01:16:14,670 and you know how that write off goes on. 1884 01:16:14,670 --> 01:16:16,670 But according to Vermont their farm 1885 01:16:16,670 --> 01:16:18,670 if they want to 1886 01:16:18,670 --> 01:16:20,670 add on to that barn or 1887 01:16:20,670 --> 01:16:22,670 put another barn up over there 1888 01:16:22,670 --> 01:16:24,670 they can. And all's it would be 1889 01:16:24,670 --> 01:16:26,670 would they be calling 1890 01:16:26,670 --> 01:16:28,670 down and get 1891 01:16:28,670 --> 01:16:30,670 a form 1892 01:16:30,670 --> 01:16:32,670 and it's a 1893 01:16:32,670 --> 01:16:34,670 taxable. 1894 01:16:34,670 --> 01:16:36,670 It's part of your assessment right? 1895 01:16:36,670 --> 01:16:38,670 So they'll have a fee for that 1896 01:16:38,670 --> 01:16:40,670 and she gets her 1897 01:16:40,670 --> 01:16:42,670 and that copy goes to the 1898 01:16:42,670 --> 01:16:44,670 town assessor 1899 01:16:44,670 --> 01:16:46,670 and we don't have one book. 1900 01:16:46,670 --> 01:16:48,670 Yes we do. 1901 01:16:48,670 --> 01:16:50,670 Up north. 1902 01:16:50,670 --> 01:16:52,699 Pretty simple. 1903 01:16:52,699 --> 01:16:54,699 But the state says we can't 1904 01:16:54,699 --> 01:16:56,699 fee them for a agricultural 1905 01:16:56,699 --> 01:16:58,699 structure. Yeah we can't 1906 01:16:58,699 --> 01:17:00,699 charge a fee for it. 1907 01:17:00,699 --> 01:17:02,699 So we gotta pay debt out of nothing. 1908 01:17:02,699 --> 01:17:04,699 They still need to come out and get a permit 1909 01:17:04,699 --> 01:17:06,699 right? Even if they're not paying 1910 01:17:06,699 --> 01:17:08,699 we pay debt. 1911 01:17:08,699 --> 01:17:10,699 We'd have to pay debt out of a different budget. 1912 01:17:10,699 --> 01:17:12,699 I suggest to the select board 1913 01:17:12,699 --> 01:17:14,699 is to consider 1914 01:17:14,699 --> 01:17:16,699 agricultural permits or 1915 01:17:16,699 --> 01:17:18,699 notifications to the AO 1916 01:17:18,699 --> 01:17:20,699 should be a flat fee of X or whatever. 1917 01:17:20,699 --> 01:17:22,699 Or an hourly rate 1918 01:17:22,699 --> 01:17:24,699 of however long it takes. 1919 01:17:24,699 --> 01:17:26,699 Deb is correct. I spent 1920 01:17:26,699 --> 01:17:28,699 hours on a basic 1921 01:17:28,699 --> 01:17:30,699 permit. If somebody comes down 1922 01:17:30,699 --> 01:17:32,699 with no issues whatsoever 1923 01:17:32,699 --> 01:17:34,729 and Lori would tell you 1924 01:17:34,729 --> 01:17:36,729 she used to yell at me all the time 1925 01:17:36,729 --> 01:17:38,729 I would take the permit. 1926 01:17:38,729 --> 01:17:40,729 Make a copy of that. 1927 01:17:40,729 --> 01:17:42,729 Don't take out the original. 1928 01:17:42,729 --> 01:17:44,729 Some are still gone. Some are still missing. 1929 01:17:44,729 --> 01:17:46,729 Not for you. 1930 01:17:46,729 --> 01:17:48,729 But anyways I walk out the door 1931 01:17:48,729 --> 01:17:50,729 I go to the location 1932 01:17:50,729 --> 01:17:52,729 I would look to where it was at 1933 01:17:52,729 --> 01:17:54,729 and I'm sure there's people 1934 01:17:54,729 --> 01:17:56,729 in this room that I've been to their house 1935 01:17:56,729 --> 01:17:58,729 I know there's one for sure 1936 01:17:58,729 --> 01:18:02,840 and it's like 1937 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:04,840 you just go there 1938 01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,840 you have to put eyes on it. 1939 01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:08,840 If you don't know what you're talking about 1940 01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:10,840 you can't complain. 1941 01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,840 I have no problem with what you guys are talking about. 1942 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:14,840 I have a problem with the definitions 1943 01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:16,840 they're calling a structure. 1944 01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,840 I would say four or five hours 1945 01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:20,840 I mean what's that? 1946 01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:22,840 I'd say four or five hours minimum 1947 01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:24,840 of the amount of time that we would put it on a basic 1948 01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:26,840 What is a structure? 1949 01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,000 What is a structure? 1950 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,199 Yup. 1951 01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:33,199 What is a structure? 1952 01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:35,199 Well I know that. 1953 01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:37,199 But is a clothesline a structure? 1954 01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:39,199 A fence can be. 1955 01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:41,199 A fence can be? 1956 01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:43,199 Again we'll go back to a birdhouse. 1957 01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:45,199 I'm sorry I'm dragging this out 1958 01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:47,199 but it's pissing me off 1959 01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:49,199 that it's not defined. 1960 01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:51,199 But that's the thing 1961 01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:53,199 I keep being the planning commission person 1962 01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:55,199 we talk about this all the time 1963 01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:57,199 is that the definition of everything 1964 01:18:57,199 --> 01:18:59,199 I think is the beginning 1965 01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:01,199 of our bylaws. 1966 01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:03,199 If we don't have definitions for things 1967 01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:05,199 then we don't have a leg to stand on 1968 01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:07,199 and it becomes especially for Deb 1969 01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:09,199 a great area where she's got to say 1970 01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:11,199 I think this is what it is 1971 01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:13,199 but I'm saying you need to be able to say 1972 01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:15,199 this is what these things are. 1973 01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:17,199 I don't think you should have to go 1974 01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:19,199 and say is that doghouse there. 1975 01:19:19,199 --> 01:19:21,199 Can I 1976 01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:23,199 this may have to be executive session 1977 01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:25,289 but so 1978 01:19:25,289 --> 01:19:27,289 right now the way we have it 1979 01:19:27,289 --> 01:19:29,390 I get half the town gets half. 1980 01:19:29,390 --> 01:19:31,420 Why can't 1981 01:19:31,420 --> 01:19:33,420 that half go into 1982 01:19:33,420 --> 01:19:35,899 a separate fund 1983 01:19:35,899 --> 01:19:37,899 to be reconciled 1984 01:19:37,899 --> 01:19:39,899 at the end of the year or whatever 1985 01:19:39,899 --> 01:19:42,159 and for these little things 1986 01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:44,159 draw out 1987 01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:46,159 because that half went up 1988 01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:48,569 the half went up 1989 01:19:48,569 --> 01:19:50,569 the town is getting more 1990 01:19:50,569 --> 01:19:52,569 and you're getting more 1991 01:19:52,569 --> 01:19:54,569 that number went up 1992 01:19:54,569 --> 01:19:57,239 so the town in order to 1993 01:19:57,239 --> 01:19:59,239 it still only costs $15 for the town 1994 01:19:59,239 --> 01:20:01,239 to file a permit 1995 01:20:01,239 --> 01:20:03,529 whether it's a big permit 1996 01:20:03,529 --> 01:20:05,529 or a small permit 1997 01:20:05,529 --> 01:20:07,529 really it doesn't cost the town anymore 1998 01:20:07,529 --> 01:20:09,529 so the town is getting more money 1999 01:20:09,529 --> 01:20:12,039 than they were before 2000 01:20:12,039 --> 01:20:14,039 but the actual action 2001 01:20:14,039 --> 01:20:16,560 is the same thing 2002 01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,590 we just do a filing 2003 01:20:18,590 --> 01:20:20,590 so you're saying that fund 2004 01:20:20,590 --> 01:20:22,590 where does that money go now 2005 01:20:22,590 --> 01:20:24,590 when that fund is just going back 2006 01:20:24,590 --> 01:20:26,590 in a general fund 2007 01:20:26,590 --> 01:20:28,590 you should only be 2008 01:20:28,590 --> 01:20:30,649 permitting things that are taxable 2009 01:20:30,649 --> 01:20:32,649 so you're going to get more money 2010 01:20:32,649 --> 01:20:34,810 out of that property 2011 01:20:34,810 --> 01:20:36,810 because of the tax 2012 01:20:36,810 --> 01:20:38,810 it may not be right there 2013 01:20:38,810 --> 01:20:40,810 black and white 2014 01:20:40,810 --> 01:20:42,810 but you're getting money here 2015 01:20:42,810 --> 01:20:44,810 it should be the incentive of the town 2016 01:20:44,810 --> 01:20:46,810 to encourage the zoning administrator 2017 01:20:46,810 --> 01:20:48,810 to go out and do this 2018 01:20:48,810 --> 01:20:50,810 if we're going to be taxing them 2019 01:20:50,810 --> 01:20:53,229 I mean you would know 2020 01:20:53,229 --> 01:20:55,229 I put it under Lucy there 2021 01:20:55,229 --> 01:20:57,359 the rock 2022 01:20:57,359 --> 01:20:59,359 it's a rock 2023 01:20:59,359 --> 01:21:01,359 it's Lucy 2024 01:21:01,359 --> 01:21:03,359 so how much 2025 01:21:03,359 --> 01:21:05,359 of course we don't know 2026 01:21:05,359 --> 01:21:07,359 a little shed would actually 2027 01:21:07,359 --> 01:21:09,359 add to the value of the property 2028 01:21:09,359 --> 01:21:11,770 understandable 2029 01:21:11,770 --> 01:21:13,770 I think that 2030 01:21:13,770 --> 01:21:15,770 and I agree with Dave 2031 01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:19,630 if it is taxable 2032 01:21:19,630 --> 01:21:21,659 then we should get 2033 01:21:21,659 --> 01:21:23,659 and you need to do a 2034 01:21:23,659 --> 01:21:25,659 follow up 2035 01:21:25,659 --> 01:21:27,979 you need to put eyes on it 2036 01:21:27,979 --> 01:21:29,979 if you're spending time doing that 2037 01:21:29,979 --> 01:21:32,489 you should get paid 2038 01:21:32,489 --> 01:21:34,590 I agree with that 2039 01:21:34,590 --> 01:21:36,590 I'm saying we should make sure 2040 01:21:36,590 --> 01:21:38,590 that the structures 2041 01:21:38,590 --> 01:21:40,590 that are not taxable 2042 01:21:40,590 --> 01:21:42,590 that are a waste of your time 2043 01:21:42,590 --> 01:21:44,590 shouldn't be on there at all 2044 01:21:44,590 --> 01:21:46,590 and that's what I'm trying to figure out 2045 01:21:46,590 --> 01:21:48,590 what is a structure that's not taxable 2046 01:21:48,590 --> 01:21:50,590 I'm asking the answer 2047 01:21:50,590 --> 01:21:52,590 I guess I don't know 2048 01:21:52,590 --> 01:21:54,590 when you go around and assess 2049 01:21:54,590 --> 01:21:56,590 some of these properties 2050 01:21:56,590 --> 01:21:58,590 so why would you tax them 2051 01:21:58,590 --> 01:22:00,590 and if you put it on the property 2052 01:22:00,590 --> 01:22:02,590 between you and your neighbor 2053 01:22:02,590 --> 01:22:04,590 that's a civil thing 2054 01:22:04,590 --> 01:22:06,590 just like a guy's life 2055 01:22:06,590 --> 01:22:08,590 why does the town have to get involved 2056 01:22:08,590 --> 01:22:10,590 you don't need a permit for a fence 2057 01:22:10,590 --> 01:22:12,590 unless it's over 8 feet 2058 01:22:12,590 --> 01:22:14,590 and it's like 2059 01:22:14,590 --> 01:22:16,590 nobody applies there 2060 01:22:16,590 --> 01:22:18,590 I don't know what you're getting at 2061 01:22:18,590 --> 01:22:20,590 I guess what I'm getting at 2062 01:22:20,590 --> 01:22:22,590 is we should define 2063 01:22:22,590 --> 01:22:24,590 that these other structures 2064 01:22:24,590 --> 01:22:26,590 I'm bringing up 2065 01:22:26,590 --> 01:22:28,590 because I don't think that it's clear 2066 01:22:28,590 --> 01:22:30,590 what Dave's job is 2067 01:22:30,590 --> 01:22:32,590 you get a shed 2068 01:22:32,590 --> 01:22:34,590 and you have a shed big enough 2069 01:22:34,590 --> 01:22:36,590 to put a lawn mower in 2070 01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:38,590 versus a shed that is big enough 2071 01:22:38,590 --> 01:22:40,590 to put tractors in 2072 01:22:40,590 --> 01:22:42,590 what's considered a shed 2073 01:22:42,590 --> 01:22:44,590 versus anything under 300 square feet 2074 01:22:44,590 --> 01:22:46,590 right 2075 01:22:46,590 --> 01:22:48,590 so how small can it be 2076 01:22:48,590 --> 01:22:50,590 the bylaws 2077 01:22:50,590 --> 01:22:52,590 are not bylaws 2078 01:22:52,590 --> 01:22:54,590 but the state laws 2079 01:22:54,590 --> 01:22:56,590 it is what it is 2080 01:22:56,590 --> 01:22:58,590 any structure under 300 square foot 2081 01:22:58,590 --> 01:23:00,590 is a structure 2082 01:23:00,590 --> 01:23:02,590 so we go back to 2083 01:23:02,590 --> 01:23:04,590 I hate to keep beating you guys up 2084 01:23:04,590 --> 01:23:06,590 but I go back to a dog house 2085 01:23:06,590 --> 01:23:08,590 it's a structure 2086 01:23:08,590 --> 01:23:10,590 you put a cover over your well 2087 01:23:10,590 --> 01:23:12,590 you see people put a nice cover over the well 2088 01:23:12,590 --> 01:23:14,590 but it's under 300 square feet 2089 01:23:14,590 --> 01:23:16,590 they don't need a permit 2090 01:23:16,590 --> 01:23:18,590 they need a notice 2091 01:23:18,590 --> 01:23:20,590 but you need a notice 2092 01:23:20,590 --> 01:23:22,590 I'm not trying to argue 2093 01:23:22,590 --> 01:23:24,590 I'm just saying 2094 01:23:24,590 --> 01:23:26,590 I understand 2095 01:23:26,590 --> 01:23:28,590 you put a little cover over your well 2096 01:23:28,590 --> 01:23:30,590 if it's not taxable 2097 01:23:30,590 --> 01:23:32,590 I could come up with a million different 2098 01:23:32,590 --> 01:23:34,590 examples 2099 01:23:34,590 --> 01:23:36,750 and that's the problem 2100 01:23:36,750 --> 01:23:38,750 we need to have the assessor 2101 01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:40,750 come in here and say 2102 01:23:40,750 --> 01:23:42,750 we don't tax that 2103 01:23:42,750 --> 01:23:44,750 what is the state law 2104 01:23:44,750 --> 01:23:46,750 does the assessing law say 2105 01:23:46,750 --> 01:23:48,750 you have to tax these structures 2106 01:23:48,750 --> 01:23:50,750 I would love to hear from her 2107 01:23:50,750 --> 01:23:52,750 let me look at it in a different way 2108 01:23:52,750 --> 01:23:54,750 so I want 2109 01:23:54,750 --> 01:23:56,750 the AO to get compensated 2110 01:23:56,750 --> 01:23:58,750 for her job 2111 01:23:58,750 --> 01:24:00,750 but I also don't want to waste their time 2112 01:24:00,750 --> 01:24:02,750 or waste the town's money 2113 01:24:02,750 --> 01:24:04,750 on a stupid thing 2114 01:24:04,750 --> 01:24:06,750 that doesn't need to be taxed 2115 01:24:06,750 --> 01:24:08,750 and then we're not taxing it at the end anyway 2116 01:24:08,750 --> 01:24:10,750 so are we only noticing 2117 01:24:10,750 --> 01:24:12,750 these things because of 2118 01:24:12,750 --> 01:24:14,750 our town wants this to happen 2119 01:24:14,750 --> 01:24:16,750 or something else 2120 01:24:16,750 --> 01:24:18,750 what is the state defining 2121 01:24:18,750 --> 01:24:20,750 as a taxable 2122 01:24:20,750 --> 01:24:22,750 that's what I've got here 2123 01:24:22,750 --> 01:24:24,750 when he says a structure under 300 square foot 2124 01:24:24,750 --> 01:24:26,750 50 square foot 2125 01:24:26,750 --> 01:24:28,750 10 square foot 2126 01:24:28,750 --> 01:24:30,750 our local bylaws indicate what's what 2127 01:24:30,750 --> 01:24:32,750 then that's what we're 2128 01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:34,750 working on now 2129 01:24:34,750 --> 01:24:36,750 supposedly 2130 01:24:36,750 --> 01:24:38,750 if it's not in the state law 2131 01:24:38,750 --> 01:24:40,750 then we have to write 2132 01:24:40,750 --> 01:24:42,750 something that's a little bit stricter 2133 01:24:42,750 --> 01:24:44,750 and we need to go back and do that 2134 01:24:44,750 --> 01:24:46,750 because it's not there 2135 01:24:46,750 --> 01:24:48,750 so I think the thing is 2136 01:24:48,750 --> 01:24:51,390 we've got to find out 2137 01:24:51,390 --> 01:24:53,390 what the law is 2138 01:24:53,390 --> 01:24:55,390 what is taxed 2139 01:24:55,390 --> 01:24:59,850 what gets taxed 2140 01:24:59,850 --> 01:25:01,850 but if you feel like you still 2141 01:25:01,850 --> 01:25:03,850 even when things are noticed 2142 01:25:03,850 --> 01:25:05,850 that you have to go out and take a look at it 2143 01:25:05,850 --> 01:25:07,850 then we can have the discussion 2144 01:25:07,850 --> 01:25:09,850 we still need to fix that part 2145 01:25:09,850 --> 01:25:11,850 I feel like that's your actual question 2146 01:25:11,850 --> 01:25:13,850 what's a standard 2147 01:25:13,850 --> 01:25:16,079 permit for a house 2148 01:25:16,079 --> 01:25:18,079 how much is that now 2149 01:25:18,079 --> 01:25:20,079 $350 2150 01:25:20,079 --> 01:25:22,079 so it's $175 2151 01:25:22,079 --> 01:25:24,079 is what you get 2152 01:25:24,079 --> 01:25:26,079 $150 2153 01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:28,079 $150 because a 15 is 2154 01:25:28,079 --> 01:25:30,079 I know how 2155 01:25:30,079 --> 01:25:32,079 to do math 2156 01:25:32,079 --> 01:25:34,079 so it's $150 2157 01:25:34,079 --> 01:25:36,079 once a year 2158 01:25:36,079 --> 01:25:38,079 so $150 and you take about 2159 01:25:38,079 --> 01:25:40,079 4-5 hours to do that permit 2160 01:25:40,079 --> 01:25:42,079 I keep going back and checking 2161 01:25:42,079 --> 01:25:44,079 the progress 2162 01:25:44,079 --> 01:25:46,079 when the excavator's there 2163 01:25:46,079 --> 01:25:48,079 I want to see where they're digging the puddings 2164 01:25:48,079 --> 01:25:50,079 or digging the basement 2165 01:25:50,079 --> 01:25:52,079 I like to go in the concrete's being poured 2166 01:25:52,079 --> 01:25:54,079 that's the house 2167 01:25:54,079 --> 01:25:56,079 4-5 hours is justified 2168 01:25:56,079 --> 01:25:58,079 or is it more than that 2169 01:25:58,079 --> 01:26:00,079 it's probably more in the grand scheme of things 2170 01:26:00,079 --> 01:26:02,079 because I do a lot of work before I go there 2171 01:26:02,079 --> 01:26:04,079 with the parcel 2172 01:26:04,079 --> 01:26:06,079 the only reason I'm asking 2173 01:26:06,079 --> 01:26:08,460 is it was 5 hours 2174 01:26:08,460 --> 01:26:10,460 or $30 an hour 2175 01:26:10,460 --> 01:26:12,460 it's probably more like 2176 01:26:12,460 --> 01:26:14,460 going back and forth 2177 01:26:14,460 --> 01:26:16,460 it's almost a half an hour 2178 01:26:16,460 --> 01:26:18,460 by the time I get lost 2179 01:26:18,460 --> 01:26:20,460 to find the place 2180 01:26:20,460 --> 01:26:22,460 and then there's others that are easier 2181 01:26:22,460 --> 01:26:24,460 but we're looking 2182 01:26:24,460 --> 01:26:26,460 between $25 and $30 an hour 2183 01:26:26,460 --> 01:26:28,460 is what we're paying 2184 01:26:28,460 --> 01:26:30,460 so the reason I'm getting at that 2185 01:26:30,460 --> 01:26:32,460 is 2186 01:26:32,460 --> 01:26:34,460 I guess we could 2187 01:26:34,460 --> 01:26:36,460 go into executive session 2188 01:26:36,460 --> 01:26:38,460 but what I'm saying is 2189 01:26:38,460 --> 01:26:40,460 maybe we should look at a different structure 2190 01:26:40,460 --> 01:26:42,460 of payment 2191 01:26:42,460 --> 01:26:44,460 I did propose it 2192 01:26:44,460 --> 01:26:46,460 way back 2193 01:26:46,460 --> 01:26:48,460 we'll talk about that 2194 01:26:48,460 --> 01:26:50,460 we can stop there for now 2195 01:26:50,460 --> 01:26:52,460 we have another 2196 01:26:52,460 --> 01:26:54,460 not a problem 2197 01:26:54,460 --> 01:26:56,460 penalty for not filing 2198 01:26:56,460 --> 01:26:58,460 the notice of a permit 2199 01:26:58,460 --> 01:27:00,460 we don't have that 2200 01:27:00,460 --> 01:27:02,460 so are we going to do something about that 2201 01:27:02,460 --> 01:27:04,460 I don't know 2202 01:27:04,460 --> 01:27:06,460 can we 2203 01:27:06,460 --> 01:27:08,590 how far are you going to go back 2204 01:27:08,590 --> 01:27:10,590 we're not going back 2205 01:27:10,590 --> 01:27:12,590 we're starting now 2206 01:27:12,590 --> 01:27:14,590 let's just say somebody has a chicken coop 2207 01:27:14,590 --> 01:27:16,590 you didn't get a permit 2208 01:27:16,590 --> 01:27:18,590 for that chicken coop 10 years ago 2209 01:27:18,590 --> 01:27:20,590 no no no 2210 01:27:20,590 --> 01:27:22,590 it's grandfathered 2211 01:27:22,590 --> 01:27:24,590 it's a grandfathered challenge 2212 01:27:24,590 --> 01:27:26,590 let's just say it's grandfathered today 2213 01:27:26,590 --> 01:27:28,590 it starts today 2214 01:27:28,590 --> 01:27:30,590 we would have to catch you putting a new system in 2215 01:27:30,590 --> 01:27:32,590 in the act 2216 01:27:32,590 --> 01:27:34,590 so if we're going to do 2217 01:27:34,590 --> 01:27:36,590 this notification 2218 01:27:36,590 --> 01:27:38,590 situation so that we know 2219 01:27:38,590 --> 01:27:40,909 things are happening 2220 01:27:40,909 --> 01:27:42,909 to begin with then 2221 01:27:42,909 --> 01:27:44,909 for her time 2222 01:27:44,909 --> 01:27:46,909 one I think 2223 01:27:46,909 --> 01:27:48,909 we need to make sure that 2224 01:27:48,909 --> 01:27:50,909 the people in town know 2225 01:27:50,909 --> 01:27:52,909 no matter what you do 2226 01:27:52,909 --> 01:27:55,479 you need to fill out a permit 2227 01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:57,479 even if it's called a notification 2228 01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,479 whatever you call it 2229 01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,479 it needs to happen no matter what it is 2230 01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,479 putting up a pool 2231 01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,479 that kind of things that don't technically 2232 01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:07,479 need permits 2233 01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:09,479 I always tell people to call me 2234 01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:11,479 we tried that and asked 2235 01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:13,479 what you're doing that doesn't need a permit 2236 01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:15,479 and I'm telling them anyway 2237 01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,479 so that she can write on it 2238 01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:19,479 and they don't waste their time 2239 01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,479 but if we do 2240 01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:23,479 state the fact that we want you 2241 01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,479 as a notification to the town 2242 01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,479 this is what you're doing to your property 2243 01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,770 that's a whole different subject 2244 01:28:29,770 --> 01:28:31,770 and if we say that 2245 01:28:31,770 --> 01:28:33,770 we need this for you 2246 01:28:33,770 --> 01:28:35,770 to do it 2247 01:28:35,770 --> 01:28:37,770 let me ask you a question 2248 01:28:37,770 --> 01:28:39,770 I don't want to throw a wrench in it 2249 01:28:39,770 --> 01:28:41,770 there are permits that need permits 2250 01:28:41,770 --> 01:28:43,770 and there's notifications for $15 2251 01:28:43,770 --> 01:28:45,770 then there are other things 2252 01:28:45,770 --> 01:28:47,770 you might say well you don't need it either 2253 01:28:47,770 --> 01:28:49,770 is that a true statement? 2254 01:28:49,770 --> 01:28:51,770 so that's where I'm having a problem 2255 01:28:51,770 --> 01:28:53,770 farm structures 2256 01:28:53,770 --> 01:28:55,770 look at Stephanie's place 2257 01:28:55,770 --> 01:28:57,770 how many crazy things went 2258 01:28:57,770 --> 01:28:59,770 shits, barns 2259 01:28:59,770 --> 01:29:01,770 so those ones that don't 2260 01:29:01,770 --> 01:29:03,770 need anything 2261 01:29:03,770 --> 01:29:06,000 and you tell them 2262 01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,000 they gotta come down 2263 01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,000 they're gonna come down and say well you don't need anything 2264 01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,000 and that's where I get nervous 2265 01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,000 because then we go back into that word of mouth 2266 01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,000 where they said oh well you don't need that 2267 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,000 and then you get in trouble 2268 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,000 well and that's why 2269 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,000 I think that was the justification 2270 01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,000 for having an email for me 2271 01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,029 so that if people 2272 01:29:26,029 --> 01:29:28,029 had a question 2273 01:29:28,029 --> 01:29:30,029 do I need a permit for this 2274 01:29:30,029 --> 01:29:32,029 I can document it 2275 01:29:32,029 --> 01:29:34,029 I said no on his email 2276 01:29:34,029 --> 01:29:36,029 like Nate Tatro 2277 01:29:36,029 --> 01:29:38,029 when he was digging the trench down at 2278 01:29:38,029 --> 01:29:40,029 Billmont 2279 01:29:40,029 --> 01:29:42,029 he came to me do I need a permit 2280 01:29:42,029 --> 01:29:44,029 I said well it's probably best 2281 01:29:44,029 --> 01:29:46,029 if you go fill something out 2282 01:29:46,029 --> 01:29:48,029 but no you're digging the trench 2283 01:29:48,029 --> 01:29:50,029 and he didn't 2284 01:29:50,029 --> 01:29:52,029 come and fill it out and he dug the trench 2285 01:29:52,029 --> 01:29:55,119 once you guys 2286 01:29:55,119 --> 01:29:57,119 know what's taxable 2287 01:29:57,119 --> 01:29:59,119 and what's not from the assessor 2288 01:29:59,119 --> 01:30:01,119 it can be a lot clearer 2289 01:30:01,119 --> 01:30:03,119 you can basically say anything under this square feet 2290 01:30:03,119 --> 01:30:05,119 doesn't need 2291 01:30:05,119 --> 01:30:07,119 it's not taxed therefore it doesn't need a permit 2292 01:30:07,119 --> 01:30:09,119 the town should not care 2293 01:30:09,119 --> 01:30:11,119 I don't know why we want anything 2294 01:30:11,119 --> 01:30:13,119 and does the assessor 2295 01:30:13,119 --> 01:30:15,439 they go up to a camp 2296 01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:17,439 put boots on the ground 2297 01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,439 they have to look 2298 01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,439 so they see a shed 2299 01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,689 are they going to take the time 2300 01:30:23,689 --> 01:30:25,689 to go back here and pull the card 2301 01:30:25,689 --> 01:30:27,689 and say that shed wasn't here 2302 01:30:27,689 --> 01:30:29,689 last year we have to tax it 2303 01:30:29,689 --> 01:30:31,689 do they do that 2304 01:30:31,689 --> 01:30:33,689 they do look at the card 2305 01:30:33,689 --> 01:30:35,689 but for a shed 2306 01:30:35,689 --> 01:30:37,689 I was taxed for my shed at my camp 2307 01:30:37,689 --> 01:30:39,689 now I don't know if they went back 2308 01:30:39,689 --> 01:30:41,689 into a card but I was taxed for that 2309 01:30:41,689 --> 01:30:43,689 time that I brought her up to my 2310 01:30:43,689 --> 01:30:45,689 camp and she taxed me 2311 01:30:45,689 --> 01:30:47,689 for it I'm not bringing her up again 2312 01:30:47,689 --> 01:30:49,689 but they did get me 2313 01:30:49,689 --> 01:30:51,689 for an accessory 2314 01:30:51,689 --> 01:30:53,689 my son built a 2315 01:30:53,689 --> 01:30:55,689 utility shed 2316 01:30:55,689 --> 01:30:57,689 probably under 300 square foot 2317 01:30:57,689 --> 01:30:59,850 but he built it 2318 01:30:59,850 --> 01:31:01,850 and there was no permits for that 2319 01:31:01,850 --> 01:31:03,850 he was up there a lot 2320 01:31:03,850 --> 01:31:05,850 he decided that's what he wanted to do 2321 01:31:05,850 --> 01:31:07,850 I had a permit for the camp 2322 01:31:07,850 --> 01:31:09,850 but then he built a shed up there 2323 01:31:09,850 --> 01:31:11,850 and then 2324 01:31:11,850 --> 01:31:13,850 when the new people went up there 2325 01:31:13,850 --> 01:31:15,850 I brought her up I didn't know 2326 01:31:15,850 --> 01:31:17,850 I brought her up and she said 2327 01:31:17,850 --> 01:31:19,850 you've got this 2328 01:31:19,850 --> 01:31:21,880 and then they measured my little shed 2329 01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:23,880 interesting so there's your answer 2330 01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:25,880 they measured my greenhouse 2331 01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:27,880 when they came around 2332 01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:29,880 and asked how I measured that 2333 01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:31,880 but there are questionable things 2334 01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,880 you know campers 2335 01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:35,880 there's questionable things on that 2336 01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:37,880 if a camper's in your yard 2337 01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,880 it's not taxed it's on wheels 2338 01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:41,880 you can move it but then you've got 2339 01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:43,880 campers out in the woods 2340 01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:45,880 they've been there for 40 years 2341 01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:47,880 you sell it to your child 2342 01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:49,880 or something 2343 01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:51,880 then I can take the taxes off 2344 01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:53,880 so then you have to come to the town 2345 01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:55,880 and tell them it's gone 2346 01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:57,880 and is there a form for that 2347 01:31:57,880 --> 01:31:59,880 no 2348 01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:01,880 so there's some tweaking 2349 01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:03,880 there's a good discussion 2350 01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:05,880 we all have 2351 01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:07,880 we've got to sit down and tweak things in 2352 01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:09,880 I think that finding what's taxable 2353 01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:11,880 is awesome and then looking at 2354 01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:13,880 the way the payment structure 2355 01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:15,880 is maybe another idea 2356 01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:17,880 and you guys have 2357 01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:19,880 a lot of issues about 2358 01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:21,880 permitting and all of that stuff 2359 01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:23,880 you should come to the planning commission 2360 01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:25,880 when we're brainstorming on 2361 01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:27,880 on you know 2362 01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:29,880 things that you'd like to see changed 2363 01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:31,880 in the bylaws 2364 01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:33,880 because we can't think of everything 2365 01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:35,880 I know 2366 01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:37,880 as soon as you pass the zoning bylaw 2367 01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:39,880 something else comes up 2368 01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:41,880 a lot of times 2369 01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:43,880 I know we should come but a lot of times 2370 01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:45,880 Kurt is kind of a liaison for the planning 2371 01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:47,880 he helps out a lot 2372 01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:49,880 he takes whatever we say 2373 01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:51,880 and you just pass us a note 2374 01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:53,880 he does 2375 01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:55,880 if you think of something 2376 01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:57,880 just send us a note 2377 01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:59,880 just like Dave said tonight 2378 01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:01,880 we should work together 2379 01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:03,880 he's right 2380 01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:05,880 if there was 2381 01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:07,880 I think sometimes we all take things out of content 2382 01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,880 but if there was 2383 01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:11,880 time where his name was mentioned 2384 01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:13,880 that's good 2385 01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:15,880 I actually mentioned it because I read the minute 2386 01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:17,880 from the conservation commission 2387 01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:19,880 and I brought it up 2388 01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:21,880 to you guys because it 2389 01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:23,880 literally said that 2390 01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:25,880 that the town is looking into 2391 01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:27,880 a wastewater system 2392 01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:29,880 you asked the question 2393 01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:31,880 I did I asked the question 2394 01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:33,880 maybe it should have been written 2395 01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:35,880 the conservation commission or the planning commission 2396 01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:37,880 is looking into it 2397 01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:39,880 you don't think of that 2398 01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:41,880 and his name 2399 01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:43,880 was mentioned in it 2400 01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:45,880 so I said it 2401 01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:47,880 no no 2402 01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:49,880 it wasn't derogatory 2403 01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:51,880 if we all worked together 2404 01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:53,880 it would be a lot easier 2405 01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:55,880 just the last thing 2406 01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:57,880 sorry 2407 01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:59,880 the whole notification thing 2408 01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:01,880 I'm back to that 2409 01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:03,880 I understand 2410 01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:06,199 but could that not be a way to 2411 01:34:06,199 --> 01:34:08,199 for your land being taxed 2412 01:34:08,199 --> 01:34:10,199 and what you're being taxed on 2413 01:34:10,199 --> 01:34:12,199 could that not be 2414 01:34:12,199 --> 01:34:14,199 this is under 300 2415 01:34:14,199 --> 01:34:16,199 so that whoever is doing our tax 2416 01:34:16,199 --> 01:34:18,199 evaluation 2417 01:34:18,199 --> 01:34:20,199 you will not be taxed 2418 01:34:20,199 --> 01:34:22,199 on this no matter what 2419 01:34:22,199 --> 01:34:24,199 if that becomes our notification 2420 01:34:24,199 --> 01:34:26,199 so that when they come down here 2421 01:34:26,199 --> 01:34:28,199 and they have everything 2422 01:34:28,199 --> 01:34:30,199 it would stop his greenhouse 2423 01:34:30,199 --> 01:34:32,199 from being put in there 2424 01:34:32,199 --> 01:34:34,199 we don't tax them on this 2425 01:34:34,199 --> 01:34:36,199 we don't even look at it 2426 01:34:36,199 --> 01:34:38,199 because we're wasting money 2427 01:34:38,199 --> 01:34:40,199 I think that was also 2428 01:34:40,199 --> 01:34:42,199 part of the 2429 01:34:42,199 --> 01:34:44,199 when we had this whole evaluation 2430 01:34:44,199 --> 01:34:46,199 situation 2431 01:34:46,199 --> 01:34:48,199 you feel like they were looking at 2432 01:34:48,199 --> 01:34:50,199 anything that they thought could be taxed 2433 01:34:50,199 --> 01:34:52,199 they taxed 2434 01:34:52,199 --> 01:34:54,199 there's nothing to say to them 2435 01:34:54,199 --> 01:34:56,199 that no you don't tax on these certain things 2436 01:34:56,199 --> 01:34:58,199 and so if 2437 01:34:58,199 --> 01:35:00,199 we say that the notification part 2438 01:35:00,199 --> 01:35:02,199 will help dictate what you get 2439 01:35:02,199 --> 01:35:04,199 charged in your taxes with 2440 01:35:04,199 --> 01:35:06,199 I think anyone and everyone 2441 01:35:06,199 --> 01:35:08,199 will come down and fill one out 2442 01:35:08,199 --> 01:35:10,199 just because 2443 01:35:10,199 --> 01:35:12,199 it's saving their money 2444 01:35:12,199 --> 01:35:14,199 if it's movable 2445 01:35:14,199 --> 01:35:16,199 you don't need a permit for it 2446 01:35:16,199 --> 01:35:18,199 it's always been 2447 01:35:18,199 --> 01:35:20,680 always been 2448 01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:22,680 the kind of status quo 2449 01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:24,680 if I can move it, if it's on wheels 2450 01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:26,680 I don't get taxed on it 2451 01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:28,680 and if we're not going to be doing it ourselves 2452 01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:31,069 which I don't see us 2453 01:35:31,069 --> 01:35:33,069 ever being able to do it on ourselves 2454 01:35:33,069 --> 01:35:35,069 that we need to have 2455 01:35:35,069 --> 01:35:37,069 something to tell whoever's doing this 2456 01:35:37,069 --> 01:35:39,069 that this is how our taxes are 2457 01:35:39,069 --> 01:35:41,069 yeah we're not going to go back to that 2458 01:35:41,069 --> 01:35:43,069 we're lucky to have anybody 2459 01:35:43,069 --> 01:35:45,229 we're back to the 2460 01:35:45,229 --> 01:35:47,229 AO needs to have a better structure for how 2461 01:35:47,229 --> 01:35:49,229 we get paid 2462 01:35:49,229 --> 01:35:51,229 but I think we also need to help define that 2463 01:35:51,229 --> 01:35:53,229 for everybody else 2464 01:35:53,229 --> 01:35:55,229 or we're just going to constantly be doing this over and over and over again 2465 01:35:55,229 --> 01:35:58,090 so what I'm going to ask 2466 01:35:58,090 --> 01:36:00,090 is what gets taxed 2467 01:36:00,090 --> 01:36:02,090 who makes a lot of what gets taxed 2468 01:36:02,090 --> 01:36:04,090 what gets taxed 2469 01:36:04,090 --> 01:36:06,090 and movable 2470 01:36:06,090 --> 01:36:08,090 can we set those 2471 01:36:08,090 --> 01:36:10,960 to a point 2472 01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:12,960 can the town say 2473 01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:14,960 we're not going to tax that 2474 01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:16,960 whatever it is 2475 01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:18,960 let's just say a swimming pool 2476 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,960 pretty soon 2477 01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:22,960 the state's going to be taking over all of it 2478 01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:24,960 I know 2479 01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:26,960 I was kind of thinking that we might be able to 2480 01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:28,960 but above ground we can pay 2481 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:30,960 you don't have to 2482 01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:32,960 no 2483 01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,050 above grounds 2484 01:36:35,050 --> 01:36:37,050 that are going to be there 2485 01:36:37,050 --> 01:36:39,050 year after year after year 2486 01:36:39,050 --> 01:36:41,050 are taxable 2487 01:36:41,050 --> 01:36:43,050 kiddie pools are not 2488 01:36:43,050 --> 01:36:45,050 above grounds 2489 01:36:45,050 --> 01:36:47,050 if you leave it up year round 2490 01:36:47,050 --> 01:36:49,050 they're taxable 2491 01:36:49,050 --> 01:36:51,050 could we 2492 01:36:51,050 --> 01:36:53,050 I'm not saying we will 2493 01:36:53,050 --> 01:36:55,050 could we as a town change that 2494 01:36:55,050 --> 01:36:57,050 I don't know 2495 01:36:57,050 --> 01:36:59,050 or does the state mandate it 2496 01:36:59,050 --> 01:37:01,050 that's why I'm saying 2497 01:37:01,050 --> 01:37:03,050 they're slowly getting to the point 2498 01:37:03,050 --> 01:37:05,050 where the state will be taking over the taxation 2499 01:37:05,050 --> 01:37:07,079 they're going to 2500 01:37:07,079 --> 01:37:09,079 taking over the tennis courts 2501 01:37:09,079 --> 01:37:11,079 yeah but it takes 50 years 2502 01:37:11,079 --> 01:37:13,079 so we don't have 2503 01:37:13,079 --> 01:37:15,079 none of us have to worry about that 2504 01:37:15,079 --> 01:37:17,079 I mean isn't that what 2505 01:37:17,079 --> 01:37:19,079 Beth Miller 2506 01:37:19,079 --> 01:37:21,079 alluded to that 2507 01:37:21,079 --> 01:37:23,149 I mean the state 2508 01:37:23,149 --> 01:37:25,149 everything 2509 01:37:25,149 --> 01:37:27,149 you don't really 2510 01:37:27,149 --> 01:37:29,149 you just put in the data 2511 01:37:29,149 --> 01:37:31,149 I just put in the transfer from you to 2512 01:37:31,149 --> 01:37:33,399 valuation 2513 01:37:33,399 --> 01:37:35,399 VP 2514 01:37:35,399 --> 01:37:37,399 VTPI 2515 01:37:37,399 --> 01:37:39,399 the department 2516 01:37:39,399 --> 01:37:41,399 the VPR 2517 01:37:41,399 --> 01:37:44,619 PVR 2518 01:37:44,619 --> 01:37:47,359 so another 2519 01:37:47,359 --> 01:37:49,359 problem that came up this week 2520 01:37:49,359 --> 01:37:51,359 was on our building permits 2521 01:37:51,359 --> 01:37:53,359 the application for building permit 2522 01:37:53,359 --> 01:37:55,359 or conditional use 2523 01:37:55,359 --> 01:37:57,359 right is that what it said 2524 01:37:57,359 --> 01:37:59,359 for the title 2525 01:37:59,359 --> 01:38:01,359 there's no fee in our fee structure 2526 01:38:01,359 --> 01:38:03,359 for conditional use 2527 01:38:03,359 --> 01:38:05,359 I know I said 2528 01:38:05,359 --> 01:38:07,640 did we miss that 2529 01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:09,640 we must have 2530 01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:11,640 but even the title 2531 01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:13,640 I know the title says conditional use 2532 01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,640 but there's no fee 2533 01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:17,640 so can we set 2534 01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:19,640 can we set that tonight 2535 01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:21,640 I think we can 2536 01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:23,640 put it at zero 2537 01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:25,640 no no 2538 01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:27,640 I think it should follow 2539 01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:29,710 follow the commercial 2540 01:38:29,710 --> 01:38:31,710 commercial industrial 2541 01:38:31,710 --> 01:38:33,710 conditional use 2542 01:38:33,710 --> 01:38:35,710 conditional use 2543 01:38:35,710 --> 01:38:37,770 it has to go 2544 01:38:37,770 --> 01:38:39,770 but we still have to collect it 2545 01:38:39,770 --> 01:38:41,770 but what about 2546 01:38:41,770 --> 01:38:43,770 I can't do it 2547 01:38:43,770 --> 01:38:45,770 but they have to pay another 2548 01:38:45,770 --> 01:38:47,770 what is it for going to the 2549 01:38:47,770 --> 01:38:49,770 commercial 2550 01:38:49,770 --> 01:38:51,840 well they have to go to 2551 01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,840 some you may have to go to the 2552 01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:55,840 planning commission first 2553 01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:57,840 and then to the ZBA 2554 01:38:57,840 --> 01:38:59,840 so we should start charging a fee too 2555 01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:01,840 with the planning commission 2556 01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:03,840 or do 2557 01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:05,840 I think it's coming up 2558 01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,840 well 2559 01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,840 you take too much pay 2560 01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:11,840 you guys take too much pay 2561 01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:13,840 I don't take that pay 2562 01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:15,840 we change 2563 01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:17,840 you always be into 2564 01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:19,840 commercial or industrial 2565 01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:21,899 no I'm just saying set the fee 2566 01:39:21,899 --> 01:39:23,899 around the same amount 2567 01:39:23,899 --> 01:39:26,090 that would be 2568 01:39:26,090 --> 01:39:28,090 a change of use doesn't always go into commercial 2569 01:39:28,090 --> 01:39:30,090 but a change of use it could be 2570 01:39:30,090 --> 01:39:32,090 well I guess they're mostly single family 2571 01:39:32,090 --> 01:39:34,090 addition to multi-family dwelling 2572 01:39:34,090 --> 01:39:36,090 could be a yeah 2573 01:39:36,090 --> 01:39:38,090 what else could it be 2574 01:39:38,090 --> 01:39:40,090 we can't think of it right now 2575 01:39:40,090 --> 01:39:42,090 we can't think of it right now 2576 01:39:42,090 --> 01:39:44,090 what's that 2577 01:39:44,090 --> 01:39:46,090 a church into a residence 2578 01:39:46,090 --> 01:39:48,090 so we don't 2579 01:39:48,090 --> 01:39:50,090 that's a change of use what would happen 2580 01:39:50,090 --> 01:39:52,090 that would be a change of use 2581 01:39:52,090 --> 01:39:54,090 that's just it 2582 01:39:54,090 --> 01:39:56,090 so it's 2583 01:39:56,090 --> 01:39:58,090 say it's residential 2584 01:39:58,090 --> 01:40:00,090 going into a church 2585 01:40:00,090 --> 01:40:02,090 or residential 2586 01:40:02,090 --> 01:40:04,119 going into a business 2587 01:40:04,119 --> 01:40:06,119 which we're going to be 2588 01:40:06,119 --> 01:40:08,250 I'm hoping we can get this set 2589 01:40:08,250 --> 01:40:10,250 relatively quickly 2590 01:40:10,250 --> 01:40:12,250 because I think that's going to happen soon 2591 01:40:12,250 --> 01:40:14,250 so what would we say change of use 2592 01:40:14,250 --> 01:40:16,250 which is really conditional use 2593 01:40:16,250 --> 01:40:18,250 it's a conditional use 2594 01:40:18,250 --> 01:40:20,250 I always say that 2595 01:40:20,250 --> 01:40:22,250 we don't have change of use 2596 01:40:22,250 --> 01:40:24,250 it should be the same 2597 01:40:24,250 --> 01:40:26,250 like you said 2598 01:40:26,250 --> 01:40:28,250 commercial fees 2599 01:40:28,250 --> 01:40:30,250 I mean it's not 2600 01:40:30,250 --> 01:40:32,250 we're talking 2601 01:40:32,250 --> 01:40:34,250 I'm going to start a business 2602 01:40:34,250 --> 01:40:36,250 and you're going to charge me 200 bucks 2603 01:40:36,250 --> 01:40:38,250 I'm going to build a house 2604 01:40:38,250 --> 01:40:40,250 you're going to charge me 2605 01:40:40,250 --> 01:40:42,250 here's my million dollar house 2606 01:40:42,250 --> 01:40:44,250 and here's your 200 bucks 2607 01:40:44,250 --> 01:40:46,250 I think if it's a commercial 2608 01:40:46,250 --> 01:40:48,250 and it's a business 2609 01:40:48,250 --> 01:40:50,250 that should be something 2610 01:40:50,250 --> 01:40:52,250 we don't even have that kind of structure in our town 2611 01:40:52,250 --> 01:40:54,250 it's difficult 2612 01:40:54,250 --> 01:40:56,250 because right now 2613 01:40:56,250 --> 01:40:58,250 single family dwelling is 315 dollars 2614 01:40:58,250 --> 01:41:00,699 single family addition 2615 01:41:00,699 --> 01:41:02,699 is another fee 2616 01:41:02,699 --> 01:41:04,699 multifamily dwelling 2617 01:41:04,699 --> 01:41:06,699 then you've got your commercial industrial 2618 01:41:06,699 --> 01:41:09,210 315 2619 01:41:09,210 --> 01:41:11,210 so if we just add another category 2620 01:41:11,210 --> 01:41:13,470 conditional use 2621 01:41:13,470 --> 01:41:15,470 315 2622 01:41:15,470 --> 01:41:17,470 just do it 2623 01:41:17,470 --> 01:41:19,470 the thing is though 2624 01:41:19,470 --> 01:41:21,470 when you're talking about conditional use 2625 01:41:21,470 --> 01:41:23,470 you just named a bunch of things 2626 01:41:23,470 --> 01:41:25,470 right 2627 01:41:25,470 --> 01:41:27,470 so you better define it 2628 01:41:27,470 --> 01:41:29,470 yeah 2629 01:41:29,470 --> 01:41:31,470 I mean those three names 2630 01:41:31,470 --> 01:41:33,470 that you just mentioned 2631 01:41:33,470 --> 01:41:35,470 two of them were conditional use 2632 01:41:35,470 --> 01:41:37,470 what the single family 2633 01:41:37,470 --> 01:41:39,470 no 2634 01:41:39,470 --> 01:41:41,470 church to residence 2635 01:41:41,470 --> 01:41:43,470 or residence to church 2636 01:41:43,470 --> 01:41:45,470 or residence 2637 01:41:45,470 --> 01:41:47,470 how about a residence to a business 2638 01:41:47,470 --> 01:41:49,470 like 2639 01:41:49,470 --> 01:41:51,470 like Christopher Laney down there 2640 01:41:51,470 --> 01:41:53,470 it's a house now 2641 01:41:53,470 --> 01:41:55,470 maybe somebody wants to change it into a store 2642 01:41:55,470 --> 01:41:57,470 into a store 2643 01:41:57,470 --> 01:41:59,470 but that doesn't count as a home business 2644 01:41:59,470 --> 01:42:01,470 as part of your home 2645 01:42:01,470 --> 01:42:03,470 they want a real store 2646 01:42:03,470 --> 01:42:05,470 that's called a home occupation 2647 01:42:05,470 --> 01:42:07,470 but if another bill box came in or something 2648 01:42:07,470 --> 01:42:09,470 that would be 2649 01:42:09,470 --> 01:42:11,470 conditional use 2650 01:42:11,470 --> 01:42:13,470 it should be more 2651 01:42:13,470 --> 01:42:15,470 you're putting another 2652 01:42:15,470 --> 01:42:17,470 bill box in 2653 01:42:17,470 --> 01:42:19,470 like I said we don't tax them 2654 01:42:19,470 --> 01:42:21,470 there's no commercial tax 2655 01:42:21,470 --> 01:42:23,470 we tax them just like the same structure we measure it 2656 01:42:23,470 --> 01:42:25,689 there you go 2657 01:42:25,689 --> 01:42:27,689 go down to North Adams 2658 01:42:27,689 --> 01:42:29,689 see what happens 2659 01:42:29,689 --> 01:42:31,689 $42 a thousand 2660 01:42:31,689 --> 01:42:33,819 you got to make a motion 2661 01:42:33,819 --> 01:42:36,239 highest in Berkshire County 2662 01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:38,239 got to make a motion 2663 01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:40,239 to set the fee 2664 01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:42,239 $315 2665 01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:44,720 for conditional use 2666 01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:47,319 second 2667 01:42:47,319 --> 01:42:49,319 all in favor aye 2668 01:42:49,319 --> 01:42:51,319 I mean the title is on the permit 2669 01:42:51,319 --> 01:42:53,319 just never 2670 01:42:53,319 --> 01:42:55,319 just never 2671 01:42:55,319 --> 01:42:57,319 get that going 2672 01:42:57,319 --> 01:42:59,319 how did we miss it 2673 01:42:59,319 --> 01:43:01,319 oh 2674 01:43:01,319 --> 01:43:03,319 because it hasn't come up 2675 01:43:03,319 --> 01:43:05,319 until now 2676 01:43:05,319 --> 01:43:07,319 and that's the problem with the zoning bylaws 2677 01:43:07,319 --> 01:43:09,319 we can't think of all this until we come up 2678 01:43:09,319 --> 01:43:11,319 it is kind of 2679 01:43:11,319 --> 01:43:13,319 I know we're running late 2680 01:43:13,319 --> 01:43:15,319 but I frequently 2681 01:43:15,319 --> 01:43:17,319 I get it in my head what needs to happen 2682 01:43:17,319 --> 01:43:19,319 I run it by 2683 01:43:19,319 --> 01:43:21,319 the BCRC 2684 01:43:21,319 --> 01:43:23,319 this guy he just thinks we're kind of funny over here 2685 01:43:23,319 --> 01:43:25,319 but I come up with some pretty interesting 2686 01:43:25,319 --> 01:43:27,319 questions and he's like 2687 01:43:27,319 --> 01:43:29,319 oh my god your bylaws don't even touch on it 2688 01:43:29,319 --> 01:43:31,319 yeah 2689 01:43:31,319 --> 01:43:33,319 why not 2690 01:43:33,319 --> 01:43:35,319 how did we miss that 2691 01:43:35,319 --> 01:43:37,319 they think we're funny but a lot of times 2692 01:43:37,319 --> 01:43:39,319 just don't ask the questions 2693 01:43:39,319 --> 01:43:41,319 that's true 2694 01:43:41,319 --> 01:43:43,319 when we're looking for bylaws 2695 01:43:43,319 --> 01:43:45,319 I've downloaded I don't know how many 2696 01:43:45,319 --> 01:43:47,319 bylaws and let me tell you something 2697 01:43:47,319 --> 01:43:49,319 we ain't alone 2698 01:43:49,319 --> 01:43:51,319 that's what I'm saying 2699 01:43:51,319 --> 01:43:53,319 they don't ask the questions 2700 01:43:53,319 --> 01:43:55,319 and sometimes people don't show up 2701 01:43:55,319 --> 01:43:57,319 and so I mean 2702 01:43:57,319 --> 01:43:59,319 you can do whatever you want 2703 01:43:59,319 --> 01:44:01,319 well not really if you don't have bylaws 2704 01:44:01,319 --> 01:44:03,319 you are bound by the state 2705 01:44:03,319 --> 01:44:05,319 I'm just saying in general 2706 01:44:05,319 --> 01:44:07,319 your neighbor has to call on the state 2707 01:44:07,319 --> 01:44:09,319 the state has to come down 2708 01:44:09,319 --> 01:44:11,319 find time to do it 2709 01:44:11,319 --> 01:44:14,600 I mean I personally 2710 01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:16,600 am not a big fan of a lot of 2711 01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:18,600 restrictions 2712 01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:20,600 I think that 2713 01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:22,600 we should definitely 2714 01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:24,600 live in a town that 2715 01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:26,600 we can build a tree house 2716 01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:28,600 and hopefully our kids can stay outside 2717 01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:30,600 and not use the cell phones 2718 01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:32,600 one thing we've 2719 01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:34,600 got to eliminate 2720 01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:36,600 and it's like I fought for it 2721 01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:38,600 the whole time I was 2722 01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,600 VAO and that's what's good for you 2723 01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:42,729 it's good for him 2724 01:44:42,729 --> 01:44:44,729 right and it's like 2725 01:44:44,729 --> 01:44:46,729 don't do that because 2726 01:44:46,729 --> 01:44:48,729 I don't like that person 2727 01:44:48,729 --> 01:44:50,729 that stuff is not happening no more 2728 01:44:50,729 --> 01:44:52,729 thank god 2729 01:44:52,729 --> 01:44:54,729 no I can tell you 2730 01:44:54,729 --> 01:44:56,729 before I was a resident 2731 01:44:56,729 --> 01:44:58,729 at Stanford I had my camp 2732 01:44:58,729 --> 01:45:00,729 and it did happen back then 2733 01:45:00,729 --> 01:45:02,729 oh it happened 2734 01:45:02,729 --> 01:45:04,960 when I was here 2735 01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:06,960 I actually got in an argument with the VAO 2736 01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:08,960 because there was already a permit 2737 01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:10,960 for the ex-owner 2738 01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:12,960 and then I had some resistance 2739 01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:14,960 and I go this permit is good for one year 2740 01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:16,960 and it's still open 2741 01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:18,960 I bought the property with the permit 2742 01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:23,760 and luckily 2743 01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:25,760 the people that were on the ZVA 2744 01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:27,760 knew who I was and they said 2745 01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:29,760 he's right I got my permit 2746 01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,359 but I was a newcomer 2747 01:45:32,359 --> 01:45:34,359 I came into the town and I felt 2748 01:45:34,359 --> 01:45:36,359 like I had a hard time 2749 01:45:36,359 --> 01:45:38,359 I will find out 2750 01:45:38,359 --> 01:45:40,359 I'll find out these answers 2751 01:45:40,359 --> 01:45:42,619 ok 2752 01:45:42,619 --> 01:45:44,619 thank you guys for the time 2753 01:45:44,619 --> 01:45:46,619 I appreciate it 2754 01:45:46,619 --> 01:45:49,680 and then we'll keep going 2755 01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:51,680 alright 2756 01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:53,680 zoning fees 2757 01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:55,680 sign request 2758 01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:57,680 for proposal for reappraisal 2759 01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:01,149 yeah um 2760 01:46:01,149 --> 01:46:03,149 it didn't happen 2761 01:46:03,149 --> 01:46:05,149 because I've been knee deep in tax bills 2762 01:46:05,149 --> 01:46:07,149 so I should have printed it all out 2763 01:46:07,149 --> 01:46:09,600 it's ready to go but I didn't 2764 01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,630 we did look at it last time 2765 01:46:11,630 --> 01:46:13,630 I think the only issue we had 2766 01:46:13,630 --> 01:46:15,630 was the utilities that I had a problem with 2767 01:46:15,630 --> 01:46:17,630 but they are 2768 01:46:17,630 --> 01:46:21,869 set by the state 2769 01:46:21,869 --> 01:46:23,869 the power lines 2770 01:46:23,869 --> 01:46:26,279 video 2771 01:46:26,279 --> 01:46:28,279 so if you're ok with Nancy signing it 2772 01:46:28,279 --> 01:46:30,640 tomorrow or 2773 01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:32,640 whenever tax bills get out 2774 01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,850 do we need a motion on that thing? 2775 01:46:35,850 --> 01:46:37,850 yes we do need a motion 2776 01:46:37,850 --> 01:46:39,850 motion to let Nancy sign 2777 01:46:39,850 --> 01:46:41,850 when the time happens 2778 01:46:41,850 --> 01:46:43,850 all in favor 2779 01:46:43,850 --> 01:46:46,560 ok 2780 01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:48,909 dogs 2781 01:46:48,909 --> 01:46:50,939 dogs 2782 01:46:50,939 --> 01:46:53,739 alright 2783 01:46:53,739 --> 01:46:56,729 so we're down to six people 2784 01:46:56,729 --> 01:46:58,729 yes 2785 01:46:58,729 --> 01:47:00,729 Danny used to say shoot them 2786 01:47:00,729 --> 01:47:02,729 not the dogs 2787 01:47:02,729 --> 01:47:05,050 ok who are 2788 01:47:05,050 --> 01:47:07,050 I'm asking in a meeting 2789 01:47:07,050 --> 01:47:09,439 because they got the letter 2790 01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,439 from Luke 2791 01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:13,439 and he did come and drop off 2792 01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:15,439 the notice of the fine 2793 01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:17,439 that were sent out 2794 01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:19,439 so I have that for our files 2795 01:47:19,439 --> 01:47:21,439 and it's fifteen late 2796 01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:23,439 you're late 2797 01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:25,439 you've got to register your dog 2798 01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:27,439 and it's according to our ordinance 2799 01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:30,270 it's fifty dollars 2800 01:47:30,270 --> 01:47:32,270 per violation 2801 01:47:32,270 --> 01:47:34,430 so 2802 01:47:34,430 --> 01:47:36,430 twenty bucks 2803 01:47:36,430 --> 01:47:38,430 sixteen 2804 01:47:38,430 --> 01:47:40,430 fifteen bucks 2805 01:47:40,430 --> 01:47:42,430 ready to go again 2806 01:47:42,430 --> 01:47:44,430 since January 2807 01:47:44,430 --> 01:47:46,430 we've given him the entire 2808 01:47:46,430 --> 01:47:48,430 the irritation is not the money 2809 01:47:48,430 --> 01:47:50,430 so read them off 2810 01:47:50,430 --> 01:47:52,560 let's hear 2811 01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:54,560 read them off because I'd like them in the minutes 2812 01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,560 they were in the minutes last year 2813 01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:58,680 Stacy Abusi 2814 01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:00,680 two dogs 2815 01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:02,680 Rochelle Blow 2816 01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:04,720 one dog 2817 01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:06,720 Robert Briggs 2818 01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:08,720 two dogs 2819 01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:10,720 Jamie Cusa three dogs 2820 01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:13,390 one dog 2821 01:48:13,390 --> 01:48:15,579 ok they will go in the minutes 2822 01:48:15,579 --> 01:48:18,000 Luke has sent them the notice 2823 01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:21,659 we have 2824 01:48:21,659 --> 01:48:23,659 one person that refused to pay the fine 2825 01:48:23,659 --> 01:48:25,659 he had four dogs 2826 01:48:25,659 --> 01:48:28,079 he refused to pay the fine 2827 01:48:28,079 --> 01:48:30,430 do we send them a 2828 01:48:30,430 --> 01:48:32,430 civil 2829 01:48:32,430 --> 01:48:34,430 do we 2830 01:48:34,430 --> 01:48:36,430 say this fee 2831 01:48:36,430 --> 01:48:38,430 is not going to be waived 2832 01:48:38,430 --> 01:48:40,489 here you go 2833 01:48:40,489 --> 01:48:42,489 no 2834 01:48:42,489 --> 01:48:44,590 what is our 2835 01:48:44,590 --> 01:48:46,590 fee 2836 01:48:46,590 --> 01:48:48,590 fifty dollars 2837 01:48:48,590 --> 01:48:50,590 fifty dollars 2838 01:48:50,590 --> 01:48:52,590 what's the next step 2839 01:48:52,590 --> 01:48:54,590 the next step 2840 01:48:54,590 --> 01:48:56,750 the court 2841 01:48:56,750 --> 01:48:58,750 follow procedure 2842 01:48:58,750 --> 01:49:00,750 taxes 2843 01:49:00,750 --> 01:49:03,229 the whole point is to get a dumb dog registered 2844 01:49:03,229 --> 01:49:05,229 so I registered the dog 2845 01:49:05,229 --> 01:49:07,229 and said 2846 01:49:07,229 --> 01:49:09,229 if you want to ask the site board to waive the fee 2847 01:49:09,229 --> 01:49:11,229 because those four dogs you're looking at 2848 01:49:11,229 --> 01:49:13,229 extra two hundred dollars 2849 01:49:13,229 --> 01:49:15,229 yup 2850 01:49:15,229 --> 01:49:17,229 with our dog ordinance 2851 01:49:17,229 --> 01:49:19,229 so I don't think we can take him 2852 01:49:19,229 --> 01:49:21,359 to court 2853 01:49:21,359 --> 01:49:23,359 let's send him a letter 2854 01:49:23,359 --> 01:49:25,359 I think that if you 2855 01:49:25,359 --> 01:49:27,359 pay a fine 2856 01:49:27,359 --> 01:49:34,159 it would go 2857 01:49:34,159 --> 01:49:36,159 it would literally 2858 01:49:36,159 --> 01:49:39,600 if you don't pay a speeding ticket 2859 01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:41,600 then you get a fine for that 2860 01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,600 then eventually it will get worse 2861 01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:45,600 if you go to court 2862 01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,600 so this is a 2863 01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:49,600 municipality that owes us money 2864 01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:51,600 it will go to the civil court 2865 01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:53,600 because if the person came to the 2866 01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:55,689 select board 2867 01:49:55,689 --> 01:49:57,689 came in and said hey look I paid it 2868 01:49:57,689 --> 01:49:59,689 I don't have the money and the hardship 2869 01:49:59,689 --> 01:50:01,689 something like that 2870 01:50:01,689 --> 01:50:03,689 instead of saying I'm not paying it 2871 01:50:03,689 --> 01:50:05,689 so I don't know how it went down 2872 01:50:05,689 --> 01:50:07,689 but there's a big difference to make 2873 01:50:07,689 --> 01:50:09,689 and if we 2874 01:50:09,689 --> 01:50:11,689 it's like setting a precedence on a camp 2875 01:50:11,689 --> 01:50:13,789 that doesn't want to pay their taxes 2876 01:50:13,789 --> 01:50:15,789 cost us money to go to court 2877 01:50:15,789 --> 01:50:17,789 and we lost money 2878 01:50:17,789 --> 01:50:19,789 but if we didn't go to court 2879 01:50:19,789 --> 01:50:21,789 we'd have a line of people 2880 01:50:21,789 --> 01:50:23,789 that are not paying our taxes 2881 01:50:23,789 --> 01:50:25,789 but if you allow it to go that far 2882 01:50:25,789 --> 01:50:27,789 that you're actually being paid 2883 01:50:27,789 --> 01:50:29,789 you're getting fined 2884 01:50:29,789 --> 01:50:31,789 have you not now 2885 01:50:31,789 --> 01:50:33,789 done it to yourself 2886 01:50:33,789 --> 01:50:35,789 and so responsibility states 2887 01:50:35,789 --> 01:50:37,789 have done this 2888 01:50:37,789 --> 01:50:39,789 it's not our fault 2889 01:50:39,789 --> 01:50:41,789 also the whole concept 2890 01:50:41,789 --> 01:50:43,789 behind people registering their homes 2891 01:50:43,789 --> 01:50:45,789 is to ensure they've been vaccinated 2892 01:50:45,789 --> 01:50:47,789 for safety 2893 01:50:47,789 --> 01:50:49,789 the state makes the students 2894 01:50:49,789 --> 01:50:51,789 and if we waive this or ignore this 2895 01:50:51,789 --> 01:50:53,789 back to what Dave said 2896 01:50:53,789 --> 01:50:55,789 why do we have any laws at all 2897 01:50:55,789 --> 01:50:57,789 I hate to say it 2898 01:50:57,789 --> 01:50:59,789 can you send them a letter 2899 01:50:59,789 --> 01:51:01,789 saying that we discussed it 2900 01:51:01,789 --> 01:51:03,789 there'll be more fees attached to this 2901 01:51:03,789 --> 01:51:05,789 I don't know where we go from 2902 01:51:05,789 --> 01:51:07,789 but if we go to court 2903 01:51:07,789 --> 01:51:09,819 it will go to the civil 2904 01:51:09,819 --> 01:51:11,819 we could attach it to their home 2905 01:51:11,819 --> 01:51:13,819 I never saw their house 2906 01:51:13,819 --> 01:51:15,819 $50 or $400 2907 01:51:15,819 --> 01:51:17,819 if that isn't in place 2908 01:51:17,819 --> 01:51:19,819 where there's tax fees 2909 01:51:19,819 --> 01:51:21,819 or interest or something 2910 01:51:21,819 --> 01:51:23,819 put that in place 2911 01:51:23,819 --> 01:51:25,819 just like if you don't pay your taxes 2912 01:51:25,819 --> 01:51:27,880 it continues and continues 2913 01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:29,880 until Sally comes in 2914 01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:31,880 has to post it on your door 2915 01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:33,880 they have an option 2916 01:51:33,880 --> 01:51:35,880 to come in and ask for a debate 2917 01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:37,880 on those fees 2918 01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:39,880 and plead their case 2919 01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:41,880 and if that's what they want to do 2920 01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:44,109 we have a court system 2921 01:51:44,109 --> 01:51:46,109 that can do that 2922 01:51:46,109 --> 01:51:48,109 plead their case 2923 01:51:48,109 --> 01:51:50,109 you didn't leave 2924 01:51:50,109 --> 01:51:52,109 doesn't mean you're off the hook now 2925 01:51:52,109 --> 01:51:54,109 but he had so many chances 2926 01:51:54,109 --> 01:51:56,109 once you got to the point 2927 01:51:56,109 --> 01:51:58,109 where you're being fined 2928 01:51:58,109 --> 01:52:00,109 it's your own stupidity 2929 01:52:00,109 --> 01:52:02,109 I'm sorry 2930 01:52:02,109 --> 01:52:04,109 you know this from the beginning 2931 01:52:04,109 --> 01:52:06,109 when we first send you the note 2932 01:52:06,109 --> 01:52:08,109 please come down and register your dogs 2933 01:52:08,109 --> 01:52:10,109 how many dogs do we usually register 2934 01:52:10,109 --> 01:52:12,109 300 something like that 2935 01:52:12,109 --> 01:52:14,109 so in the first wave 2936 01:52:14,109 --> 01:52:16,109 after we send that notice out 2937 01:52:16,109 --> 01:52:18,109 we get 2938 01:52:18,109 --> 01:52:20,109 200 and something dogs are registered 2939 01:52:20,109 --> 01:52:22,109 it's not fair to those people 2940 01:52:22,109 --> 01:52:24,109 until September 2941 01:52:24,109 --> 01:52:26,109 it's not fair 2942 01:52:26,109 --> 01:52:31,819 period 2943 01:52:31,819 --> 01:52:35,100 my son's dog is gone 2944 01:52:35,100 --> 01:52:37,550 he didn't die 2945 01:52:37,550 --> 01:52:39,550 the biter 2946 01:52:39,550 --> 01:52:41,550 he only bites people he doesn't like 2947 01:52:41,550 --> 01:52:43,800 so Joyce doesn't have to go up and feed him 2948 01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:45,800 Joyce found a lady that wanted him 2949 01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:47,800 she raises beagles 2950 01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:49,800 she took him 2951 01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:51,800 and the dog was awesome with her 2952 01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:53,800 I go near the dog 2953 01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:55,800 if he bites you 2954 01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:57,800 he has to kill me 2955 01:52:57,800 --> 01:52:59,800 so next meeting 2956 01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:01,800 you're going to ask 2957 01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:03,800 Jonathan Cooper to come 2958 01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:05,800 that's the 17th 2959 01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:07,800 alright 2960 01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:09,800 6 o'clock 2961 01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:11,800 one other thing I'd like to 2962 01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:13,960 have people aware of 2963 01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:16,119 Lori is mailing 2964 01:53:16,119 --> 01:53:18,539 tax bills 2965 01:53:18,539 --> 01:53:21,020 they're due November 2966 01:53:21,020 --> 01:53:23,020 19th 2967 01:53:23,020 --> 01:53:25,020 please get them in the mail 2968 01:53:25,020 --> 01:53:27,020 at least a week ahead of time 2969 01:53:27,020 --> 01:53:29,020 because 2970 01:53:29,020 --> 01:53:31,020 or bring them here 2971 01:53:31,020 --> 01:53:33,020 in the drop box 2972 01:53:33,020 --> 01:53:35,020 that's what I would do 2973 01:53:35,020 --> 01:53:37,020 hand them right to her 2974 01:53:37,020 --> 01:53:39,020 I wouldn't even put them in that drop box 2975 01:53:39,020 --> 01:53:41,020 there you go 2976 01:53:41,020 --> 01:53:43,020 it's too expensive 2977 01:53:43,020 --> 01:53:45,020 don't count on the mail 2978 01:53:45,020 --> 01:53:47,020 taxes are high 2979 01:53:47,020 --> 01:53:49,020 so when the percentage is it 2980 01:53:49,020 --> 01:53:51,020 it adds up quick 2981 01:53:51,020 --> 01:53:53,020 what about the people that our 2982 01:53:53,020 --> 01:53:55,020 mortgage company is paying 2983 01:53:55,020 --> 01:53:57,020 so the mortgage company will 2984 01:53:57,020 --> 01:53:59,020 overnight mail to me 2985 01:53:59,020 --> 01:54:01,020 I'll call them 2986 01:54:01,020 --> 01:54:03,020 and make sure 2987 01:54:03,020 --> 01:54:05,020 yes 2988 01:54:05,020 --> 01:54:07,020 check with Lori 2989 01:54:07,020 --> 01:54:09,020 to make sure they're paid 2990 01:54:09,020 --> 01:54:11,020 and get a check down 2991 01:54:11,020 --> 01:54:13,020 even if you have to 2992 01:54:13,020 --> 01:54:15,020 give Lori a check 2993 01:54:15,020 --> 01:54:17,020 the day of 2994 01:54:17,020 --> 01:54:19,020 they're responsible 2995 01:54:19,020 --> 01:54:21,020 I'd just 2996 01:54:21,020 --> 01:54:23,020 slam my mortgage company 2997 01:54:23,020 --> 01:54:25,020 and be like 2998 01:54:25,020 --> 01:54:27,020 here's my money 2999 01:54:27,020 --> 01:54:29,020 you pay it 3000 01:54:29,020 --> 01:54:31,020 got it 3001 01:54:31,020 --> 01:54:33,020 or be at a different bank 3002 01:54:33,020 --> 01:54:37,609 the next day 3003 01:54:37,609 --> 01:54:39,609 there's still a few banks you can talk to 3004 01:54:39,609 --> 01:54:41,609 not as many as you 3005 01:54:41,609 --> 01:54:43,609 they're merging though 3006 01:54:43,609 --> 01:54:45,609 everybody's merging 3007 01:54:45,609 --> 01:54:47,609 get bigger and bigger 3008 01:54:47,609 --> 01:54:49,609 donate 3009 01:54:49,609 --> 01:54:51,609 I got three guys 3010 01:54:51,609 --> 01:54:53,609 what do you want it for 3011 01:54:53,609 --> 01:54:55,680 put it on your front lawn 3012 01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:57,869 anchor 3013 01:54:57,869 --> 01:54:59,869 there's a big anchor in there 3014 01:54:59,869 --> 01:55:01,869 cash that baby in 3015 01:55:01,869 --> 01:55:03,930 I gotta buy a new tarp 3016 01:55:03,930 --> 01:55:05,930 if I don't sell that 3017 01:55:05,930 --> 01:55:07,930 you know what that tarp costs 3018 01:55:07,930 --> 01:55:09,930 it's like 1500 bucks 3019 01:55:09,930 --> 01:55:11,930 are we all set then 3020 01:55:11,930 --> 01:55:13,930 I think we're good 3021 01:55:13,930 --> 01:55:15,930 I'm all set 3022 01:55:15,930 --> 01:55:17,930 I'm not quite set 3023 01:55:17,930 --> 01:55:19,930 oh I'm sorry 3024 01:55:19,930 --> 01:55:21,930 justice of the peace 3025 01:55:21,930 --> 01:55:23,930 quite some time ago 3026 01:55:23,930 --> 01:55:25,930 we made a recommendation 3027 01:55:25,930 --> 01:55:27,930 to the governor to appoint 3028 01:55:27,930 --> 01:55:30,220 someone who was interested in serving 3029 01:55:30,220 --> 01:55:32,220 and I got a call from the governor's office 3030 01:55:32,220 --> 01:55:34,829 saying 3031 01:55:34,829 --> 01:55:37,630 the governor really likes a couple of people 3032 01:55:37,630 --> 01:55:39,630 and we'd like to have 3033 01:55:39,630 --> 01:55:41,630 a nomination from your democratic party 3034 01:55:41,630 --> 01:55:43,630 and your republican party 3035 01:55:43,630 --> 01:55:45,630 because this person is an independent 3036 01:55:45,630 --> 01:55:47,630 and then the governor can choose 3037 01:55:47,630 --> 01:55:49,630 I said we don't have 3038 01:55:49,630 --> 01:55:51,630 those parties 3039 01:55:51,630 --> 01:55:53,630 we don't have that many people in town 3040 01:55:53,630 --> 01:55:55,630 you're lucky to have people 3041 01:55:55,630 --> 01:55:57,630 we have someone from the bull moose party down there 3042 01:55:57,630 --> 01:55:59,630 but that's it 3043 01:55:59,630 --> 01:56:01,630 are you talking about like Natalie 3044 01:56:01,630 --> 01:56:03,630 so she hasn't been appointed yet 3045 01:56:03,630 --> 01:56:05,630 I said look 3046 01:56:05,630 --> 01:56:07,630 do they realize where Stanford is 3047 01:56:07,630 --> 01:56:09,630 what we are 3048 01:56:09,630 --> 01:56:11,630 I mean I said to them 3049 01:56:11,630 --> 01:56:13,630 look in August all the justice of the peace 3050 01:56:13,630 --> 01:56:15,630 had to turn in their nomination papers 3051 01:56:15,630 --> 01:56:17,630 anybody could have taken out papers 3052 01:56:17,630 --> 01:56:19,630 no one else did 3053 01:56:19,630 --> 01:56:21,630 we don't ask 3054 01:56:21,630 --> 01:56:23,630 whether or not you're 3055 01:56:23,630 --> 01:56:25,630 can Jonathan Cooper solve this for us 3056 01:56:25,630 --> 01:56:27,630 well they can hear about it 3057 01:56:27,630 --> 01:56:29,630 they can hear about it 3058 01:56:29,630 --> 01:56:31,630 that's insane 3059 01:56:31,630 --> 01:56:33,630 day peace could run as a write in 3060 01:56:33,630 --> 01:56:35,630 but Natalie's already got her name 3061 01:56:35,630 --> 01:56:37,630 Sharon took papers out 3062 01:56:37,630 --> 01:56:39,630 so that's good that she didn't wait 3063 01:56:39,630 --> 01:56:41,630 she didn't wait to be appointed 3064 01:56:41,630 --> 01:56:43,630 but then again 3065 01:56:43,630 --> 01:56:45,630 the rule being that you can replace 3066 01:56:45,630 --> 01:56:47,630 but you cannot 3067 01:56:47,630 --> 01:56:49,630 if you have an empty spot 3068 01:56:49,630 --> 01:56:51,630 you can't put somebody in there 3069 01:56:51,630 --> 01:56:53,630 so this is a replacing situation 3070 01:56:53,630 --> 01:56:55,630 the governor's got to do it 3071 01:56:55,630 --> 01:56:57,630 but by can't they replace it 3072 01:56:57,630 --> 01:56:59,920 it's insane 3073 01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:01,920 so if she runs in November 3074 01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:03,920 which she will be 3075 01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:05,920 she won't be able to start until February 1st 3076 01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:07,920 well why don't you tell us 3077 01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:09,920 the governor 3078 01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:11,920 we had no comments 3079 01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:14,239 we put it out there 3080 01:57:14,239 --> 01:57:17,199 not one person showed up 3081 01:57:17,199 --> 01:57:19,199 for what 3082 01:57:19,199 --> 01:57:21,199 I don't think people come out of Woodward 3083 01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:23,199 and say whoa we didn't know 3084 01:57:23,199 --> 01:57:25,199 stop it 3085 01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:27,199 we don't have anybody else 3086 01:57:27,199 --> 01:57:29,739 oh for day peace 3087 01:57:29,739 --> 01:57:31,739 nobody else came forward 3088 01:57:31,739 --> 01:57:33,739 I don't care 3089 01:57:33,739 --> 01:57:35,739 we would have sent the names in 3090 01:57:35,739 --> 01:57:37,739 to the governor 3091 01:57:37,739 --> 01:57:39,739 we need a J.P. 3092 01:57:39,739 --> 01:57:41,739 period done 3093 01:57:41,739 --> 01:57:43,739 he might not get our 200 votes 3094 01:57:43,739 --> 01:57:45,739 that keeps it up 3095 01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:56,159 anything else 3096 01:57:56,159 --> 01:57:58,159 it started with Sally 3097 01:57:58,159 --> 01:58:00,159 motion to adjourn 3098 01:58:00,159 --> 01:58:02,159 are you all set 3099 01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:04,159 too late we already adjourned 3100 01:58:04,159 --> 01:58:06,159 I didn't ask you 3101 01:58:06,159 --> 01:58:08,159 any discussion 3102 01:58:08,159 --> 01:58:10,159 all in favor 3103 01:58:10,159 --> 01:58:12,159 aye 3104 01:58:12,159 --> 01:58:14,159 that's alright 3105 01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:16,159 gotta practice for when I'm gone 3106 01:58:16,159 --> 01:58:18,159 so is this off the record now 3107 01:58:18,159 --> 01:58:20,159 no 3108 01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:21,399 nothing is ever off the record with me