1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Okay, let's call the meeting to order. 2 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,530 Welcome to the meeting of the Stamford Select Board. 3 00:00:25,530 --> 00:00:29,530 If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, 4 00:00:29,530 --> 00:00:33,530 you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address. 5 00:00:33,530 --> 00:00:36,530 You will notice that all our meetings are recorded, 6 00:00:36,530 --> 00:00:39,530 and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes. 7 00:00:39,530 --> 00:00:44,530 Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and 15 minutes per topic. 8 00:00:44,530 --> 00:00:49,530 Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others. 9 00:00:49,530 --> 00:00:51,530 Select Board members present are... 10 00:00:51,530 --> 00:00:52,530 Mike Duran 11 00:00:52,530 --> 00:00:53,530 Nancy Brzezica 12 00:00:53,530 --> 00:00:54,530 Chad Gremlins 13 00:00:54,530 --> 00:00:55,530 John Dunn 14 00:00:55,530 --> 00:00:56,560 Kurt Lamar 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,880 Will there be any adding of items or removing items from tonight's agenda? 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,880 I have additional correspondence. 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,140 Commencements to the agenda. 18 00:01:06,140 --> 00:01:07,140 Okay. 19 00:01:07,140 --> 00:01:11,140 Will there be any adjustments to the agenda such as changing the order of items? 20 00:01:11,140 --> 00:01:13,170 I don't see any. 21 00:01:13,170 --> 00:01:14,390 Okay. 22 00:01:14,390 --> 00:01:18,390 And Jed is recording tonight's meeting for his YouTube video. 23 00:01:18,390 --> 00:01:22,180 Okay. 24 00:01:22,180 --> 00:01:24,790 Hearing of visitors. 25 00:01:24,790 --> 00:01:25,790 Do you have a... 26 00:01:25,790 --> 00:01:26,790 I don't know. 27 00:01:26,790 --> 00:01:27,790 Okay. 28 00:01:27,790 --> 00:01:29,790 She just wants to keep the ring company now. 29 00:01:29,790 --> 00:01:30,790 Okay. 30 00:01:30,790 --> 00:01:31,790 They're all going to come together. 31 00:01:31,790 --> 00:01:32,790 Okay. 32 00:01:35,079 --> 00:01:36,079 Come down and listen. 33 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:37,079 Okay. 34 00:01:37,079 --> 00:01:38,079 Listen. 35 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:39,079 All right. 36 00:01:39,079 --> 00:01:40,079 Reading and tools... 37 00:01:40,079 --> 00:01:41,079 Joe, we got hearing of visitors. 38 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:42,079 Do you want to say anything or you're all set? 39 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:43,079 Yeah. 40 00:01:43,079 --> 00:01:44,079 Okay. 41 00:01:44,079 --> 00:01:45,079 All right. 42 00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:46,109 Okay. 43 00:01:46,109 --> 00:01:47,109 It's not a promise. 44 00:01:47,109 --> 00:01:48,109 I do have some information on... 45 00:01:48,109 --> 00:01:49,109 Too late. 46 00:01:50,109 --> 00:01:51,109 The law enforcement part of it. 47 00:01:51,109 --> 00:01:53,329 Okay. 48 00:01:53,329 --> 00:01:54,489 For you guys. 49 00:01:54,489 --> 00:01:55,489 Yeah. 50 00:01:55,489 --> 00:01:56,489 Sure. 51 00:01:56,489 --> 00:01:57,489 You want to do it now? 52 00:01:57,489 --> 00:01:58,489 Sure. 53 00:01:58,489 --> 00:01:59,489 Why not? 54 00:01:59,489 --> 00:02:01,769 Okay. 55 00:02:01,769 --> 00:02:02,769 It's pretty easy. 56 00:02:02,769 --> 00:02:03,769 They still do the town stuff for training. 57 00:02:03,769 --> 00:02:05,569 Who does? 58 00:02:05,569 --> 00:02:06,569 Who are you talking about? 59 00:02:06,569 --> 00:02:07,569 The... 60 00:02:07,569 --> 00:02:08,569 The... 61 00:02:08,569 --> 00:02:09,569 The... 62 00:02:09,569 --> 00:02:12,569 The law enforcement training facility in Pittsburgh. 63 00:02:12,569 --> 00:02:13,569 Oh, Pittsburgh. 64 00:02:13,569 --> 00:02:14,569 Okay. 65 00:02:14,569 --> 00:02:15,569 The law enforcement... 66 00:02:15,569 --> 00:02:18,300 The state was... 67 00:02:18,300 --> 00:02:19,870 What... 68 00:02:19,870 --> 00:02:30,659 What I was asking was what exactly do we have to do in order to appoint or elect one of... 69 00:02:30,659 --> 00:02:31,659 Constable. 70 00:02:31,659 --> 00:02:32,659 Yep. 71 00:02:32,659 --> 00:02:33,659 Yep. 72 00:02:33,659 --> 00:02:34,659 Right? 73 00:02:34,659 --> 00:02:35,659 So... 74 00:02:35,659 --> 00:02:36,659 And they... 75 00:02:36,659 --> 00:02:37,860 And gentlemen up there respond... 76 00:02:37,860 --> 00:02:43,590 I've read all the laws and I think I've got it all down pretty good. 77 00:02:43,590 --> 00:02:45,810 So, we can... 78 00:02:45,810 --> 00:02:47,030 You can put it on the agenda for the annual meetings. 79 00:02:47,030 --> 00:02:49,020 Put it back on the ballot or ask for permission from the townspeople to appoint a council. 80 00:02:49,020 --> 00:02:50,020 Now, what I would suggest is because of the... 81 00:02:50,020 --> 00:02:51,020 In light of the things that are popping up where you could probably use somebody... 82 00:02:51,020 --> 00:02:52,020 Well, yeah. 83 00:02:52,020 --> 00:02:53,120 I can add to this. 84 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,280 And so, don't... 85 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:55,280 Don't need to go to the academy for an administrative non-agency meeting. 86 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,659 Yeah. 87 00:02:56,659 --> 00:02:57,659 Yeah. 88 00:02:57,659 --> 00:02:58,659 Yeah. 89 00:02:58,659 --> 00:02:59,659 Yeah. 90 00:02:59,659 --> 00:03:02,069 Yeah. 91 00:03:02,069 --> 00:03:03,580 Yeah. 92 00:03:03,580 --> 00:03:04,580 Yeah. 93 00:03:04,580 --> 00:03:05,580 Yeah. 94 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:06,580 Yeah. 95 00:03:06,580 --> 00:03:07,580 Yeah. 96 00:03:07,580 --> 00:03:08,580 Yeah. 97 00:03:08,580 --> 00:03:09,580 Yeah. 98 00:03:09,580 --> 00:03:10,580 Yeah. 99 00:03:10,580 --> 00:03:11,580 Yeah. 100 00:03:11,580 --> 00:03:12,580 Yeah. 101 00:03:12,580 --> 00:03:13,580 Yeah. 102 00:03:13,580 --> 00:03:15,740 Yeah. 103 00:03:15,740 --> 00:03:16,740 Yeah. 104 00:03:16,740 --> 00:03:17,740 Yeah. 105 00:03:17,740 --> 00:03:18,770 Yeah. 106 00:03:18,770 --> 00:03:19,770 Yeah. 107 00:03:19,770 --> 00:03:20,770 Yeah. 108 00:03:20,770 --> 00:03:22,409 So, administrative. 109 00:03:22,409 --> 00:03:23,409 And administrative. 110 00:03:23,409 --> 00:03:24,409 Okay. 111 00:03:24,409 --> 00:03:26,080 So, what I'm saying is any change in... 112 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,080 In these initiatives, executive, non-law enforced person and there's a list of things. 113 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,080 I didn't bring my list. 114 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,080 What will be the administrative... 115 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:36,419 What do you... 116 00:03:36,419 --> 00:03:37,419 Yeah. 117 00:03:37,419 --> 00:03:38,419 What do you mean that? 118 00:03:38,419 --> 00:03:39,419 So, administrative would be assist tax collector... 119 00:03:39,419 --> 00:03:40,419 So, they could legisl... 120 00:03:40,419 --> 00:03:41,419 It's literally in the law. 121 00:03:41,419 --> 00:03:44,419 What would they need to be trained, like, would they be able to... 122 00:03:44,419 --> 00:03:50,400 If you want to assist to the tax collector, say. 123 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:51,599 Yeah. 124 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:55,680 And would they be able to get a firearm, a... 125 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,120 So, there was no indication. 126 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,120 I mean... 127 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:58,159 Yeah. 128 00:03:58,159 --> 00:03:58,280 Yeah. 129 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:58,400 Yeah. 130 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:58,520 Okay. 131 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:58,539 There was no indication. 132 00:03:58,539 --> 00:03:58,560 Yeah. 133 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:04,000 kind of all underneath your constitutional rights to bear arms but well i'm just wondering 134 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:12,979 with law enforcement it's it doesn't it's it's a non-law enforcement council right only reason 135 00:04:12,979 --> 00:04:20,480 why i asked is uh i went i looked into it one time the liability so we when we had our dog officer 136 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:27,550 right way back he was carrying a firearm he actually used the firearm under the guise of 137 00:04:27,550 --> 00:04:34,379 the town and said hey you know i'm working for the town recorded the whole thing and dispatched 138 00:04:34,379 --> 00:04:42,899 the gun okay we were very as far as i'm concerned we're very lucky that we weren't sued even though 139 00:04:42,899 --> 00:04:49,379 i agree with the right to carry second amendment all that you know that but under the insurance 140 00:04:49,379 --> 00:04:54,660 part of it i get worried so if we were to have a constable to and what good would it be for a 141 00:04:54,660 --> 00:04:59,230 constable to go assist if they couldn't defend so i think 142 00:04:59,310 --> 00:05:05,790 like a little bit of training in the future so in order in order for you to get police power now 143 00:05:05,790 --> 00:05:12,459 i'm talking about law enforcement powers you have to have a minimum of uh level one or level two 144 00:05:12,459 --> 00:05:21,790 okay they don't do one no more they they oh okay they they always say wanted to um i'm not sure 145 00:05:22,430 --> 00:05:28,829 how the how they would react i know i know um what i'm talking about what we were all talking 146 00:05:28,829 --> 00:05:33,300 an administrative type of service 147 00:05:34,620 --> 00:05:41,420 would be adequate enough you it does say in the law that one of the duties of a constable 148 00:05:42,139 --> 00:05:49,089 non-law enforcement they can dispatch deer okay and and uh and things like that so 149 00:05:50,139 --> 00:05:53,660 i would assume so they have to carry a fire they have to carry a firearm for that 150 00:05:53,660 --> 00:06:00,350 now i don't like i said i haven't been up there and uh face-to-face you know connect them up 151 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:06,399 because you have to determine sure you're saying there's this constable when i hear 152 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,360 constable i think constable in the old day yeah yeah but you're saying there's two different 153 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:20,060 constable levels of that one is the administrative uh which is like no stopping no stopping cars or 154 00:06:20,779 --> 00:06:28,060 domestic violence or right yeah it's very specific in the law as you read it it's it's it's uh non 155 00:06:28,060 --> 00:06:35,180 it's specific non-law enforcement not allowed to stop vehicles can you get us copies of that yes so 156 00:06:37,019 --> 00:06:43,439 let's get into it some more um and here's i agree with you that we need something uh 157 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:53,470 the other day i was i volunteered um to post notice a notice out of gentleman's or 158 00:06:53,949 --> 00:07:03,740 party's property for a pac cell and i did that i happened to be in town and i said well might as 159 00:07:03,740 --> 00:07:09,819 well do it um while i was going my wife was with me and i i said to her hey you want to go out she 160 00:07:09,819 --> 00:07:10,970 said well all right so 161 00:07:13,899 --> 00:07:17,339 As we were driving off, State Troopers pulled in real quick, 162 00:07:17,339 --> 00:07:20,040 and I was like, what are they here for, right? 163 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,779 First one came in, and he pulled right behind me, 164 00:07:22,779 --> 00:07:24,319 so then another one came in. 165 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:25,540 I said, oh, this is perfect. 166 00:07:25,540 --> 00:07:27,879 I can ask him to walk there with me. 167 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:30,019 So I got out of the car, walked over, 168 00:07:30,019 --> 00:07:32,720 and I didn't recognize this trooper. 169 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:37,339 Told him who I was, and told him what I was going to be doing 170 00:07:37,339 --> 00:07:40,540 and asked him if he would mind, at some time, 171 00:07:40,540 --> 00:07:42,439 it didn't have to be right then and there, 172 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:45,759 come up there to just assist me. 173 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:47,939 So nothing happens. 174 00:07:47,939 --> 00:07:51,379 He point blank said, no. 175 00:07:51,379 --> 00:07:52,819 He said, we don't do that. 176 00:07:52,819 --> 00:07:54,019 No. 177 00:07:54,019 --> 00:07:58,110 He says, I'm on a call right now, which he was for school. 178 00:07:58,110 --> 00:08:01,110 And I said, well, after the call, that'd be fine. 179 00:08:01,110 --> 00:08:02,069 No. 180 00:08:02,069 --> 00:08:05,069 Call your local sheriff or use your constable. 181 00:08:05,069 --> 00:08:06,990 He said, well, we don't have a constable, 182 00:08:06,990 --> 00:08:10,230 because we have to pay high taxes for State Troopers. 183 00:08:10,230 --> 00:08:11,569 Because I was mad at that time. 184 00:08:11,569 --> 00:08:12,569 I had to put him on. 185 00:08:12,569 --> 00:08:13,870 I had to dig in there. 186 00:08:13,870 --> 00:08:14,870 Dig in there. 187 00:08:14,870 --> 00:08:17,720 So I said, so you won't go up there? 188 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:18,220 He said, no. 189 00:08:18,220 --> 00:08:20,920 But if something happens, call 911, and we're in town. 190 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,540 We'll be able to respond faster. 191 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:24,339 I said, all right, I'll call you after I get shot. 192 00:08:24,339 --> 00:08:26,560 And I walked away. 193 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,060 Because I was upset. 194 00:08:28,060 --> 00:08:30,639 I said, we pay our taxes, and I'm just asking for you 195 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:34,419 to take a ride up the road here, so I don't have any problems. 196 00:08:34,419 --> 00:08:36,139 Anyways, he didn't do it. 197 00:08:36,139 --> 00:08:39,259 If we had a constable, that would have been so much easier 198 00:08:39,259 --> 00:08:41,809 and safer. 199 00:08:41,809 --> 00:08:42,970 Me going up there. 200 00:08:42,970 --> 00:08:49,149 Whether I carry a firearm, or I beat the guy up with my hands. 201 00:08:49,149 --> 00:08:51,549 If there was a confrontation, I'm on his property. 202 00:08:51,549 --> 00:08:52,889 I understand that. 203 00:08:52,889 --> 00:08:56,509 I'm trying to do a job, and I had no identification, 204 00:08:56,509 --> 00:09:02,269 no shirt that said what I was doing, nothing on my car. 205 00:09:02,269 --> 00:09:02,889 Just going up. 206 00:09:02,889 --> 00:09:04,629 And this is what the state made us do. 207 00:09:04,629 --> 00:09:06,850 The state is telling us what to do. 208 00:09:06,850 --> 00:09:08,970 So they say, here, go put this on someone's house, 209 00:09:08,970 --> 00:09:11,269 and take a picture of it. 210 00:09:11,269 --> 00:09:12,690 So now I'm putting it on the house. 211 00:09:12,690 --> 00:09:13,769 I know this guy. 212 00:09:13,769 --> 00:09:15,450 I'm a little nervous. 213 00:09:15,450 --> 00:09:17,269 I won't kid you. 214 00:09:17,269 --> 00:09:19,809 He doesn't like me. 215 00:09:19,809 --> 00:09:21,649 So I'm posting it on there, and I'm 216 00:09:21,649 --> 00:09:25,919 waiting for him to come out, and my wife is taking a picture. 217 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:28,990 So anyways, I back up and get out of there. 218 00:09:28,990 --> 00:09:29,889 I'm backing up. 219 00:09:29,889 --> 00:09:31,529 I don't get halfway down this driveway. 220 00:09:31,529 --> 00:09:33,070 He comes flying out of the house. 221 00:09:33,070 --> 00:09:33,850 He's looking at it. 222 00:09:33,850 --> 00:09:34,529 He takes it down. 223 00:09:34,529 --> 00:09:35,909 Right away, he took it down. 224 00:09:35,909 --> 00:09:38,450 Was there for no more than 20 seconds. 225 00:09:38,450 --> 00:09:43,450 So really, what good, I suppose, he's going to, maybe he'll read it. 226 00:09:43,450 --> 00:09:47,690 But it would have been reserved. 227 00:09:47,690 --> 00:09:48,269 Right, right. 228 00:09:48,269 --> 00:09:49,149 We had the picture. 229 00:09:49,149 --> 00:09:51,029 Everything's been documented. 230 00:09:51,029 --> 00:09:52,029 But he knew what was coming. 231 00:09:52,029 --> 00:09:54,070 We even took pictures as I was doing it. 232 00:09:54,070 --> 00:09:57,309 So there's no problems. 233 00:09:57,309 --> 00:09:59,950 But I'm saying, if there was a confrontation, 234 00:09:59,950 --> 00:10:02,809 if he had ran down to the truck, it 235 00:10:02,809 --> 00:10:05,110 would have been nice to have some kind of identification. 236 00:10:05,110 --> 00:10:06,990 As I'm doing this, I'm thinking, we 237 00:10:06,990 --> 00:10:09,110 should have something for our car, just something, 238 00:10:09,110 --> 00:10:11,740 like Sally has, that little sign. 239 00:10:11,740 --> 00:10:13,399 Slap it on the side of the car. 240 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:14,860 In general, it seems like an arcade. 241 00:10:14,860 --> 00:10:15,480 We just do it. 242 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:16,240 This is crazy. 243 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,480 We just nail it to the tree, and it's gone in the dark. 244 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,279 And we talked to the state rep. 245 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:22,019 And he said, well, geez, we didn't really 246 00:10:22,019 --> 00:10:24,899 think about this part of the problem. 247 00:10:24,899 --> 00:10:26,740 It didn't come up. 248 00:10:26,740 --> 00:10:28,620 I'm surprised it didn't come up. 249 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:31,820 You could have sent something like return receipt that they 250 00:10:31,820 --> 00:10:33,059 That already went out. 251 00:10:33,059 --> 00:10:34,100 Yeah, the state fine. 252 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:36,779 This is something new that the state tells us we have to do. 253 00:10:36,779 --> 00:10:38,279 So they want you to do that on top of it. 254 00:10:38,279 --> 00:10:41,360 And our tax collector said, no way, she's doing it. 255 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,820 And I don't blame her. 256 00:10:42,820 --> 00:10:44,860 So me and Judd, and Valentine. 257 00:10:44,860 --> 00:10:48,639 But anyway, we did write a letter. 258 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:54,059 So this is something that I think that down the road 259 00:10:54,059 --> 00:10:55,639 will be needed more. 260 00:10:55,639 --> 00:10:57,220 If the state's going to make us do it, 261 00:10:57,220 --> 00:11:01,059 they should actually send some money and pay for our council. 262 00:11:01,059 --> 00:11:04,759 But I'm going to hold my breath for that one. 263 00:11:04,759 --> 00:11:07,179 But nevertheless, we should start looking into, 264 00:11:07,179 --> 00:11:10,860 I'm still 100% against the sheriff's contract, 265 00:11:10,860 --> 00:11:12,299 because you don't get anything. 266 00:11:12,299 --> 00:11:14,820 They're also asking us to do these reappraisals 267 00:11:14,820 --> 00:11:18,159 every so often, whether we're supposed to pull the money 268 00:11:18,159 --> 00:11:19,940 for that out of the sky. 269 00:11:19,940 --> 00:11:20,440 Oh, yeah. 270 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:20,940 Yeah. 271 00:11:20,940 --> 00:11:24,059 So we brought that up with Cooper, I think. 272 00:11:24,059 --> 00:11:27,309 And I purchased it to press something 273 00:11:27,309 --> 00:11:30,320 that other communities. 274 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,659 And if they're going to make us do it every six months, 275 00:11:32,659 --> 00:11:34,480 then they need to start every six years. 276 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,820 And they need to start flipping the bill. 277 00:11:36,820 --> 00:11:40,399 They do give us, like, depending on your population, 278 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:45,200 Stanford gets about $6,000 a year for a $90,000 contract. 279 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:45,700 Right. 280 00:11:45,700 --> 00:11:46,820 It went from $70,000 to $90,000. 281 00:11:46,820 --> 00:11:48,700 So thanks for the six. 282 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:49,200 Yeah. 283 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:49,919 Yeah. 284 00:11:49,919 --> 00:11:50,419 Yeah. 285 00:11:50,419 --> 00:11:50,919 Yeah. 286 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:55,500 I mean, the actual contract went up in one year. 287 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:56,000 It went up. 288 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,419 Three years from now, that's going to be over $100,000. 289 00:11:58,419 --> 00:12:00,840 So I'll bring the laws and all the information to Lori 290 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,080 tomorrow to show you what it is. 291 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,500 But there is an actual list of things 292 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:12,909 that a constable with no law enforcement training, 293 00:12:12,909 --> 00:12:14,990 it's just going to be an appointment, 294 00:12:14,990 --> 00:12:17,700 but it has to go through. 295 00:12:17,700 --> 00:12:18,200 Tell me. 296 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:18,580 Yeah. 297 00:12:18,580 --> 00:12:19,080 Yeah. 298 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:19,580 Yeah. 299 00:12:19,580 --> 00:12:20,080 OK. 300 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:20,580 Yeah. 301 00:12:20,580 --> 00:12:23,820 Just bring it in and get copies of it. 302 00:12:23,820 --> 00:12:28,259 And like you said, see how it goes. 303 00:12:28,259 --> 00:12:31,480 Well, the only other thing the guy told me on the phone 304 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,120 was is that if you're a law enforcement officer in this 305 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:44,850 area, that would be willing to moonlight you could hire him. 306 00:12:44,850 --> 00:12:48,389 And on that light with the delinquent tax collector 307 00:12:48,389 --> 00:12:50,850 and posting that notice, we did write a letter 308 00:12:50,850 --> 00:12:51,970 to Representative Cooper. 309 00:12:51,970 --> 00:12:52,970 And he knows what's going on. 310 00:12:52,970 --> 00:12:53,970 So this is now it's in writing. 311 00:12:53,970 --> 00:12:54,970 And now we can present this to the legislature. 312 00:12:54,970 --> 00:12:55,970 Maybe other towns will be thinking about this, too. 313 00:12:55,970 --> 00:12:57,230 And I ran into him the other day. 314 00:12:57,230 --> 00:12:58,230 And he was very thankful that we gave him a letter. 315 00:12:58,230 --> 00:12:59,230 And now he's going to see if he can get letters from other towns. 316 00:12:59,230 --> 00:13:00,230 Yeah. 317 00:13:00,230 --> 00:13:01,230 Good. 318 00:13:01,230 --> 00:13:02,230 That have the same problems we have. 319 00:13:02,230 --> 00:13:03,450 And he said he might contact you to get if you maybe, you know, more. 320 00:13:03,450 --> 00:13:04,450 Because, you know, down the road. 321 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:05,450 Yeah. 322 00:13:05,450 --> 00:13:06,450 Yeah. 323 00:13:06,450 --> 00:13:07,450 Yeah. 324 00:13:07,450 --> 00:13:08,450 Yeah. 325 00:13:08,450 --> 00:13:09,450 Yeah. 326 00:13:09,450 --> 00:13:10,450 Yeah. 327 00:13:10,450 --> 00:13:11,450 Yeah. 328 00:13:11,450 --> 00:13:12,450 Yeah. 329 00:13:12,450 --> 00:13:13,450 Yeah. 330 00:13:13,450 --> 00:13:14,450 Yeah. 331 00:13:14,450 --> 00:13:15,450 Yeah. 332 00:13:15,450 --> 00:13:16,450 Yeah. 333 00:13:16,450 --> 00:13:17,450 Yeah. 334 00:13:17,450 --> 00:13:18,450 Yeah. 335 00:13:18,450 --> 00:13:19,450 Yeah. 336 00:13:19,450 --> 00:13:20,450 Yeah. 337 00:13:20,450 --> 00:13:21,450 Yeah. 338 00:13:21,450 --> 00:13:22,450 Yeah. 339 00:13:22,450 --> 00:13:23,450 Yeah. 340 00:13:23,450 --> 00:13:24,450 Yeah. 341 00:13:24,450 --> 00:13:25,450 Yeah. 342 00:13:25,450 --> 00:13:26,450 Yeah. 343 00:13:26,450 --> 00:13:27,450 Yeah. 344 00:13:27,450 --> 00:13:28,450 Yeah. 345 00:13:28,450 --> 00:13:29,450 Yeah. 346 00:13:29,450 --> 00:13:30,450 Did you hear them last last meeting? 347 00:13:30,450 --> 00:13:31,450 There was 1,100 bills in the legislature. 348 00:13:31,450 --> 00:13:32,450 Yes. 349 00:13:32,450 --> 00:13:33,850 1,100 that were brought up in one year that could be lost. 350 00:13:33,850 --> 00:13:34,850 Yeah. 351 00:13:34,850 --> 00:13:39,389 That's unbelievable that they bogged down this legisl. 352 00:13:39,389 --> 00:13:44,049 I mean, you know, some of them are useless. 353 00:13:44,049 --> 00:13:45,049 Yes. 354 00:13:45,049 --> 00:13:47,169 The other thing to say is that some of them are. 355 00:13:47,169 --> 00:13:48,169 What? 356 00:13:48,169 --> 00:13:49,169 Why? 357 00:13:49,169 --> 00:13:50,570 And that one bill has multiple items within it. 358 00:13:50,570 --> 00:13:51,509 Oh. 359 00:13:51,509 --> 00:13:52,429 Yep. 360 00:13:52,429 --> 00:13:55,629 You know it's not like just one line item, that's not how it works. 361 00:13:55,629 --> 00:14:01,120 You gotta watch what's tacked onto that at the end too. 362 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,980 Okay, anything other? Hearing of visitors. 363 00:14:05,980 --> 00:14:11,250 Reading and approval of records and orders of September 17th. 364 00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:12,610 Motion. 365 00:14:12,610 --> 00:14:15,789 We have a second? Second. 366 00:14:15,789 --> 00:14:20,879 All in favor as written? Aye. 367 00:14:20,879 --> 00:14:23,139 Highway update, Dave? 368 00:14:23,139 --> 00:14:28,429 They came to the sweep about later than I thought. 369 00:14:28,429 --> 00:14:32,669 This is a new company, right? This is a different company, yeah. 370 00:14:32,669 --> 00:14:34,990 Looks good, they did a good, real good job. 371 00:14:34,990 --> 00:14:40,779 Would the old company that we got rid of, was there a bill or a discount? 372 00:14:40,779 --> 00:14:42,860 I haven't gotten any bill from them. Okay. 373 00:14:42,860 --> 00:14:45,220 I haven't heard from them since they left, so. 374 00:14:45,220 --> 00:14:48,259 Okay. Messed up? 375 00:14:48,259 --> 00:14:51,059 They couldn't do the job, so. Yep, okay. 376 00:14:51,059 --> 00:15:31,809 In the spring, I still make call and try to get some addition on there. 377 00:15:31,809 --> 00:15:36,740 Our trucks, are they all back or? All of them are running right now. 378 00:15:36,740 --> 00:15:41,039 We went up on Monday. Don't jinx it, don't jinx it. 379 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:41,440 Monday. 380 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,399 The truck was, they called me on Saturday and said the truck was ready. 381 00:15:44,399 --> 00:15:54,990 Mike and I went up on Monday, we have to take it back. 382 00:15:54,990 --> 00:15:59,740 Okay. 383 00:15:59,740 --> 00:16:10,129 Everything's up and running. Our new truck, I talked to them about that. 384 00:16:10,129 --> 00:16:13,570 Oh, I was just going to ask, do we have the loan forward or is it ready? 385 00:16:13,570 --> 00:16:18,830 On the bank side, it would be like two to three weeks notice to pull that together, 386 00:16:18,830 --> 00:16:21,059 as bad as the last one. 387 00:16:21,059 --> 00:16:23,620 Not as bad as the last one? Weeks? 388 00:16:23,620 --> 00:16:24,899 Once. 389 00:16:24,899 --> 00:16:41,309 Ah, okay. Recycling? We were talking about things. 390 00:16:41,309 --> 00:16:44,990 Things going in the dumpster, and Dave is going to keep a better eye on it, 391 00:16:44,990 --> 00:16:48,509 and ask Carol and Joey to keep a better eye what's going in the dumpster, 392 00:16:48,509 --> 00:16:53,309 because we think stuff might be going in that shouldn't be going in there, 393 00:16:53,309 --> 00:16:56,509 but I know Carol and Joey are pretty careful. 394 00:16:57,549 --> 00:17:01,059 I'm not even sure if some of that stuff is actually going in there. 395 00:17:01,059 --> 00:17:10,579 If you look at how they're charging us, they're different every time. 396 00:17:10,579 --> 00:17:14,960 I think people are throwing tires and demolition. 397 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:23,359 I mean, Joey and Carol are usually pretty careful about that. 398 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:23,599 Yeah. 399 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:27,200 It's kind of hard to throw a tire in there without them seeing it. 400 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,799 Just kind of watching if it's selling. 401 00:17:31,410 --> 00:17:39,309 All fees cheap, but they are charging us. 402 00:17:39,309 --> 00:17:42,109 And Lori gave us the recycling update. 403 00:17:43,150 --> 00:17:49,069 Just went over it quickly, and Jeb saw a couple of things. 404 00:17:49,630 --> 00:17:52,029 It's just like the zoning bylaws. 405 00:17:52,029 --> 00:17:54,750 You change one section and you miss something else. 406 00:17:54,750 --> 00:18:02,299 So on the back side, demolition container, the minimum charge. 407 00:18:02,299 --> 00:18:07,420 We have $36 per cubic yard, and on the front, I think it says $45. 408 00:18:08,319 --> 00:18:11,200 So we should change the back to $45. 409 00:18:12,420 --> 00:18:19,009 And then the other part was in that same sentence about minimum charge. 410 00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:21,759 On the back side, mattress. 411 00:18:21,759 --> 00:18:26,480 Take the word mattress out, because it's on the front side with the same price. 412 00:18:30,180 --> 00:18:31,539 It's got the price on the back. 413 00:18:32,289 --> 00:18:33,170 Does that make sense? 414 00:18:33,170 --> 00:18:34,130 Yeah. 415 00:18:34,130 --> 00:18:34,529 Yeah. 416 00:18:34,529 --> 00:18:35,150 Yeah. 417 00:18:35,150 --> 00:18:35,390 Yeah. 418 00:18:35,390 --> 00:18:36,990 So I got a couple of questions. 419 00:18:36,990 --> 00:18:43,309 I told you I was going to bring the bill from the transfer station from North Adams. 420 00:18:44,750 --> 00:18:54,190 First thing, with our demolition, if someone brings demolition to our transfer station, 421 00:18:54,190 --> 00:18:57,950 they are responsible to take it out of their vehicle and put it in this dumpster, right? 422 00:18:57,950 --> 00:19:02,109 Unless it's something heavy that can't lift. 423 00:19:02,109 --> 00:19:07,150 So I couldn't go with a dump trailer and dump it on the ground if you don't pick it up and put it down? 424 00:19:09,309 --> 00:19:09,549 Right. 425 00:19:09,549 --> 00:19:09,950 No. 426 00:19:09,950 --> 00:19:10,349 Okay. 427 00:19:10,349 --> 00:19:14,109 If somebody has a couch, you don't expect them to throw it in the water. 428 00:19:14,109 --> 00:19:14,349 Right. 429 00:19:14,349 --> 00:19:18,190 But all the small stuff. 430 00:19:18,190 --> 00:19:27,089 If I had a dump trailer full of crushed junk, I would be responsible to get it in that dumpster. 431 00:19:27,089 --> 00:19:31,500 So I went to the North Adams site. 432 00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:34,160 The problem is you guys don't charge by the pound. 433 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,079 So you'll never know. 434 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,960 They charge $172.40 per ton. 435 00:19:42,609 --> 00:19:42,849 Okay. 436 00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:51,539 I went with a full dump trailer, 12 foot, 6x12, and it was only $144. 437 00:19:51,539 --> 00:19:56,339 I only had .84 tons because of the demolition from a house. 438 00:19:56,339 --> 00:19:58,130 It was very light crack. 439 00:19:58,130 --> 00:20:00,289 I packed it down with an excavator and everything. 440 00:20:01,259 --> 00:20:05,019 But, so I don't think we're ever going to be able to compare because we don't weigh 441 00:20:05,019 --> 00:20:05,180 it. 442 00:20:05,980 --> 00:20:10,140 So we're charging by the cubic inch or foot. 443 00:20:11,890 --> 00:20:13,650 And I think that, you know, North Adams has a good lot of garbage. 444 00:20:13,650 --> 00:20:13,730 Right. 445 00:20:13,730 --> 00:20:13,789 Right. 446 00:20:13,789 --> 00:20:13,809 Right. 447 00:20:13,809 --> 00:20:13,849 Right. 448 00:20:13,849 --> 00:20:13,890 Right. 449 00:20:13,890 --> 00:20:13,910 Right. 450 00:20:13,910 --> 00:20:13,930 Right. 451 00:20:13,930 --> 00:20:13,970 Right. 452 00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:14,069 Right. 453 00:20:14,069 --> 00:20:14,089 Right. 454 00:20:14,089 --> 00:20:14,150 Right. 455 00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:14,170 Right. 456 00:20:14,170 --> 00:20:14,230 Right. 457 00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:14,269 Right. 458 00:20:14,269 --> 00:20:14,289 Right. 459 00:20:14,289 --> 00:20:14,390 Right. 460 00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:14,410 Right. 461 00:20:14,410 --> 00:20:14,450 Right. 462 00:20:14,450 --> 00:20:14,490 Right. 463 00:20:14,490 --> 00:20:14,509 Right. 464 00:20:14,509 --> 00:20:14,549 Right. 465 00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:14,990 Right. 466 00:20:14,990 --> 00:20:15,009 Right. 467 00:20:15,009 --> 00:20:15,089 Right. 468 00:20:15,089 --> 00:20:20,279 good system where you just dump it it is move out but that being said this is 469 00:20:20,279 --> 00:20:24,920 what we have I think our price after looking at this our prices are fair I 470 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:32,369 don't think they're overpriced by any means we're not over no but when you 471 00:20:32,369 --> 00:20:41,220 hear it definitely don't charge you know more more it's a it is concerning but 472 00:20:41,220 --> 00:20:45,259 you know like you said there's no one else that can beat their price it's the 473 00:20:45,259 --> 00:20:53,250 services yeah yeah but North Adams also doesn't really restrict very many things 474 00:20:53,250 --> 00:20:58,869 if they don't I mean I put a mattress there they didn't say a word I thought 475 00:20:58,869 --> 00:21:05,009 for sure they would is the way it went anyways I just wanted to tell you guys 476 00:21:05,009 --> 00:21:13,970 that's what the price was I don't know if that matters you know this also I 477 00:21:13,970 --> 00:21:21,900 you know I did purchase I had to get a sticker too and I don't hold that we're 478 00:21:21,900 --> 00:21:22,900 only getting charged $100 a month 479 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:35,200 okay that's what demo demo Lino's charging us okay all right so then our 480 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:44,819 residents that use that are only paying a fraction yeah well at the end of the 481 00:21:44,819 --> 00:21:50,750 day we made what twenty thousand dollars twenty twenty eight thousand but we made 482 00:21:50,750 --> 00:22:01,299 that classes yeah yeah yeah and then yeah it looks likes like a third over 483 00:22:01,299 --> 00:22:02,700 that yeah like a third 484 00:22:03,859 --> 00:22:10,099 process of what we're bringing in okay we're would it be interesting to play some numbers here 485 00:22:11,170 --> 00:22:19,500 maybe to figure out where we'd have to be to break even on them well i've not necessarily 486 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:25,900 like this but just i've talked about this and some so the state first of all this is another 487 00:22:25,900 --> 00:22:33,839 thing that state mandates you have to do it um and i would say it's probably a 50 50 discussion 488 00:22:33,839 --> 00:22:41,809 of people saying it should just be a service from the town versus the people that aren't using it 489 00:22:41,809 --> 00:22:47,410 saying well why should i pay for it uh kind of like a gray wishy-washy area because it's funded 490 00:22:47,410 --> 00:22:52,609 through taxes on the town so you're kind of people in town you can charge twice when they go to the 491 00:22:52,609 --> 00:22:59,809 dumpster really realistically correct me if i'm wrong but you pay taxes in town theoretically yeah 492 00:22:59,809 --> 00:23:03,809 like i should be able to use the dumpster but there's a cost involved with running the right 493 00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:11,089 if i don't use it so yes like i don't need to dump right so i'm paying that tax money which is 494 00:23:11,089 --> 00:23:18,940 two-thirds of the cost so so it's a common good service it's a concept we kind of lost sight of 495 00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:23,980 what we do things for the common good it's just like why do i pay taxes for the school right 496 00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:28,700 i don't have any kids in school why do i stay taxes to maintain back roads i live right on 497 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:32,140 my main road i live right in the building right i have no children to go to school 498 00:23:34,539 --> 00:23:39,259 any of the roads you know don't use your dump service i should get free days i mean if everyone 499 00:23:39,259 --> 00:23:43,890 was going to bring their trash to north adams that would be great but you start posing a problem where 500 00:23:43,890 --> 00:23:49,009 some people don't then you got a community built up in trash yeah or it's up on the back road and 501 00:23:49,009 --> 00:23:53,490 then you have a rat infestation and you have all these other problems that north adams is 502 00:23:53,490 --> 00:23:59,329 uncovering right now um i agree we shouldn't lose our shirt on this but we definitely shouldn't 503 00:23:59,329 --> 00:24:04,720 make money um you know if we could break even that'd be great but at the same time if it gets 504 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:10,380 expensive then nobody's going to use it either well in order to break even we almost have 505 00:24:11,380 --> 00:24:17,460 double or more than double right all these prices so like what dave said he said on a mattress we're 506 00:24:17,460 --> 00:24:23,700 only charging what like what we're getting charged but when we're only charging what we're getting 507 00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:29,539 charged there's a like we're paying joey and his wife at the same time so realistically we should 508 00:24:29,539 --> 00:24:35,299 be trying to cover all bases when we're when we're charging for these items you know when we compare 509 00:24:35,859 --> 00:24:40,579 us we're just talking about what to sell is charging us we're not talking about the wages 510 00:24:40,579 --> 00:24:48,319 that we pay that's another whole cost that we didn't have i are we losing money absolutely 511 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:54,480 yeah absolutely we're losing money we're losing more money two years ago or whatever we are at 512 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,359 the same time you got what he said the service there's a service in parts of the town i kind 513 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:06,240 of personally think we shouldn't wait five years to build bump prices up that's where we ended up we 514 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:12,480 waited 20 years and then when we bumped these prices up people went crazy but if you go from 45 515 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:22,240 to say 48 or for what's that demolition 50 bucks it's demolition not many people use this all the 516 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:30,690 time 50 bucks you know that's not a big deal you know then then you guys create i mean i'm like 517 00:25:30,690 --> 00:25:35,170 nancy i can't stand twenty one dollars you either make it twenty dollars or twenty five twenty one 518 00:25:35,170 --> 00:25:37,259 dollars you know 519 00:25:38,059 --> 00:25:43,259 it's stuff like that ninety nine cents eight dollars make it ten bucks go come on guys you know 520 00:25:43,259 --> 00:25:49,500 no i already paid ten dollars for one paint can and i said who put this in and i looked at what's 521 00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:54,779 that paint cans yeah for using the demolition dumpster tell you what it went in the demolition 522 00:25:54,779 --> 00:26:00,380 give me five bucks i'll get rid of your paint cams no but i agree we probably should look at 523 00:26:00,380 --> 00:26:08,400 this every year and adjust uh yeah i mean there's there's some some things that are uh under priced 524 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:14,240 let's not wait 20 years he's going to start raising his prices with the fuel and stuff so 525 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:20,450 they're all going to go up oh our fees are going to go up uh when did we raise the initial fee from 526 00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:26,289 uh what was it 50 to 95 maybe we should look at that i think that was about three years ago guys 527 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,640 if i i'm thinking at least three years ago at least it could be longer we could maybe go up 528 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,680 we could probably go up to a hundred 529 00:26:40,109 --> 00:26:42,619 at least then and go up 530 00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:49,579 for seniors over 65 purchasing double bears yeah yeah it was 20 last time now it's 40. 531 00:26:51,819 --> 00:26:56,700 how far is it how far does 50 punches get you there's more seniors in this room 532 00:26:59,660 --> 00:27:05,180 yeah and you get two cars right huh some of these years 533 00:27:11,099 --> 00:27:11,180 kids 534 00:27:13,019 --> 00:27:21,170 don't need and we don't we don't get refunds either are you a senior two three bags of traffic 535 00:27:30,460 --> 00:27:41,950 kurt what's that apr wherever i guess 536 00:27:41,950 --> 00:27:44,180 im 537 00:27:47,059 --> 00:27:55,869 yeah I don't go to either one of those can't afford it so we should when does 538 00:27:55,869 --> 00:28:08,430 this get now first is when we well I mean it's up to you guys in your 2021 2022 you went from 65 to 539 00:28:08,430 --> 00:28:20,670 95. so that was four years five years senior to afford to spend five years do we want to go up 540 00:28:21,630 --> 00:28:28,029 five bucks I do 100 yeah I mean if you go five dollars more 541 00:28:31,309 --> 00:28:38,289 what do we pay I mean if you I don't know the guys and the sponsors and what are we getting in 542 00:28:38,289 --> 00:28:46,369 the initial cost was it's 95. we're never going to get that close no but it'd be fun to play with 543 00:28:46,369 --> 00:28:50,849 them and see where we're at where are we well I mean if you want to wait until the next meeting 544 00:28:50,849 --> 00:28:57,650 and look at this real good we could do that yeah get some information together and figure it out 545 00:28:58,369 --> 00:29:01,410 well if you go right into your town report on to 546 00:29:01,730 --> 00:29:13,309 uh recycling solid waste recycling you can see what we paid out for labor and dumping and 547 00:29:14,589 --> 00:29:21,710 repair and maintenance electricity and then if you go into the recycling receipts 548 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,839 well why don't we why don't we table this the next meeting and look at this real good get all 549 00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:37,279 the numbers come back and say okay this is we're going to set these prices it could be 550 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,839 I mean there might be some that stay the same and some go up and 551 00:29:40,740 --> 00:29:40,900 and 552 00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:51,769 The other thing to think about is how many, like I don't use it, how many people in town use this, and they're the ones that are going to be paying the fee, you know what I mean? 553 00:29:52,049 --> 00:29:53,910 Do you know how many people on the household? 554 00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:59,259 I can tell you approximately how many cars you sell. 555 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:05,339 Yeah, we are by state, we're supposed to, we have to do it, we can't just not do it. 556 00:30:06,099 --> 00:30:09,440 Yeah, we took in about 15, how much, Lori? 557 00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:12,460 I've sold 250 cars. 558 00:30:12,460 --> 00:30:15,720 So are there multiple cars for one house sometimes? 559 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,140 Yeah, you use up your two cars, you can get another one. 560 00:30:20,180 --> 00:30:22,539 But when you only use half, that's too bad. 561 00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:29,849 So we took in 15, 16,000 last year, we paid out 68,000. 562 00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:31,549 Yeah, that's terrible. 563 00:30:32,150 --> 00:30:32,369 Great. 564 00:30:32,869 --> 00:30:42,950 And I sympathize for the people that use the service and have to pay, but you can't, yeah, how are we supposed to just keep eating the money? 565 00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:44,319 That's a. 566 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:46,420 They're going to pay, everybody's paying. 567 00:30:46,819 --> 00:30:47,579 It's not free. 568 00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:47,880 It's unfortunate. 569 00:30:48,339 --> 00:30:48,779 It's not free. 570 00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:52,000 What's 40,000 divided by everyone that's paying? 571 00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:54,849 How much money is a year per person? 572 00:30:55,230 --> 00:30:58,289 Right, right, I don't know, I mean, it's a hundred bucks a day. 573 00:30:58,289 --> 00:30:59,410 It's all over the place, right? 574 00:31:00,410 --> 00:31:02,309 A couple hundred bucks to keep trash out of your town. 575 00:31:02,450 --> 00:31:02,650 Yeah. 576 00:31:02,809 --> 00:31:03,049 Yeah. 577 00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:06,089 You know, that's what some people say should be free. 578 00:31:06,109 --> 00:31:06,630 It's a public service. 579 00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:07,710 I don't think it should be. 580 00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:08,569 Where's it at, you know? 581 00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:09,569 It's all free. 582 00:31:10,069 --> 00:31:10,970 Okay, so next meeting. 583 00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:15,049 What happens is, if it is free, instead of 250, you're going to have 500. 584 00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:16,519 Oh, yeah. 585 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,539 Because now you just told me I could go out there for free. 586 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,319 I might go on any, I might go on the North Adams. 587 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:21,740 Ah, that's right. 588 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:22,980 Why do I have a. 589 00:31:22,980 --> 00:31:24,200 Yeah, then the whole game changes. 590 00:31:24,690 --> 00:31:26,569 Why do I have a dumpster at home, then? 591 00:31:26,809 --> 00:31:28,630 Our dumpsters won't be able to make it. 592 00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:30,309 Right, everything changes, right. 593 00:31:30,410 --> 00:31:32,529 Then the cost is going up even more. 594 00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:34,569 Yeah, it doesn't go up this much. 595 00:31:35,130 --> 00:31:36,410 Right, it's a balance. 596 00:31:36,490 --> 00:31:37,269 It's a balance, yeah. 597 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,880 And I think that if we go up a little bit on these prices, it would stay the same. 598 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:43,019 It's probably one of the most. 599 00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:45,039 Would it be worth accepting items? 600 00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:50,640 That generate income, like scrap, iron, or. 601 00:31:51,099 --> 00:31:51,779 We take that. 602 00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:53,019 Can we take it for free? 603 00:31:53,140 --> 00:31:54,579 Like, just bring it, take it for free? 604 00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:55,400 Do you want to get rid of it? 605 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,039 And then we can cash in, and it goes towards the stuff. 606 00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:00,079 We do that now, but the problem is. 607 00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:02,140 Right. 608 00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:07,220 Typically, we don't think we've gotten a check in a long time from that. 609 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:07,599 No. 610 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:08,980 They just holler for it. 611 00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:15,319 And we can't get into that business because that's going to change in this area dramatically. 612 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:18,819 There's going to be less places to bring them. 613 00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:26,440 There's one or one of the local scrap yards is going to be it's it's for sale right now. 614 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,599 I mean, trash is only going to get more complicated. 615 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:28,839 Right. 616 00:32:29,220 --> 00:32:31,779 So we don't even know what's going to happen with this. 617 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,059 It could go away. 618 00:32:33,059 --> 00:32:39,319 If it does, like guys like me, I mean, I go every probably three times a week. 619 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,339 And I have a biggest dumpster. 620 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,700 They sell it at 30 yards sitting in my yard just for. 621 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,380 For steel, not any of the precious metals. 622 00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:54,019 So we bring a little room three times a week. 623 00:32:54,579 --> 00:32:59,309 Copper stainless steel, probably two, three times a month. 624 00:33:00,299 --> 00:33:08,500 The aluminum that we go through that like crazy steel, 30 yards every month, 30 yard dumpster every month. 625 00:33:09,349 --> 00:33:11,910 And if that scrapyard goes away, what do I do? 626 00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:14,200 It feels natural. 627 00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:19,640 So next meeting, we want to review this. 628 00:33:19,819 --> 00:33:20,019 Yeah. 629 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:20,839 Okay. 630 00:33:21,019 --> 00:33:30,920 Great discussion. 631 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,759 Joint meeting with school directors and library trustees. 632 00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:37,160 I was out of town, but I understand it didn't happen. 633 00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:38,039 You were here. 634 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:38,680 You were here. 635 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:39,299 I didn't make it. 636 00:33:39,619 --> 00:33:46,690 So we, we didn't have a quarrel for the slap board. 637 00:33:48,269 --> 00:34:00,220 The only one that would have had one was the library trustees, but one person from the school board showed up and I think two, so two selectors. 638 00:34:00,220 --> 00:34:03,220 And then three library trustees. 639 00:34:03,220 --> 00:34:08,500 So what we did is we discussed things and we made it clear that it was not a meeting work. 640 00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:11,119 It was just an informational thing while we were there. 641 00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:20,579 And Cindy discussed, discussed some of the upcoming school issues. 642 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:31,280 She did discuss positive things where the school grades are in the rankings of Stanford have gone up dramatically since we've had a new principal come in. 643 00:34:31,659 --> 00:34:33,820 Which is a good thing. 644 00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:40,099 We are going to receive, I think it was 15 students from. 645 00:34:42,019 --> 00:34:53,239 We did have to hire a special person for that transition because their curriculum and our curriculum and their levels are a little bit different. 646 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,329 So they that I'm just giving information. 647 00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:57,489 I'm not making that judgment. 648 00:34:59,329 --> 00:35:01,429 So they did hire someone. 649 00:35:01,489 --> 00:35:01,909 Uh, 650 00:35:01,909 --> 00:35:06,920 to coordinate that, and then they had to hire 2 teachers. 651 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,059 One was a replacement, I think, and then an additional teacher they hired. 652 00:35:11,539 --> 00:35:22,400 Uh, but like I said, this is this information I didn't, uh, I don't have an opinion towards the school right now. And I, I would say all questions will go to the school board for those things. 653 00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:29,659 Uh, the other thing that she did mention, and I think that we should bring it up is that. 654 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,820 The state, our fine state again. 655 00:35:31,940 --> 00:35:39,219 Has, and if I make sure if I'm from understanding this right, the state will be. 656 00:35:39,219 --> 00:35:45,869 Rezoning are asking people to pick a zone and. 657 00:35:46,059 --> 00:35:54,710 All those zones will no longer be allowed to have high school school choice. 658 00:35:54,710 --> 00:36:01,179 You will go to the high school of your zone if there is a trade school within that. 659 00:36:01,179 --> 00:36:03,519 Zone, which there is. 660 00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:10,420 I can't remember that I should have brought them that, but we, let's just call it Bennington versus Wyndham County. 661 00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:13,179 Both of them have a trade school. 662 00:36:13,179 --> 00:36:16,780 Therefore, our students will no longer have. 663 00:36:16,780 --> 00:36:21,079 Funding to go to McCann. 664 00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:27,119 Um, Cindy and many of the other towns are talking right now, trying to create. 665 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:33,420 A new zone that will go up through the center of these other 2 zones. 666 00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:34,800 All the way to Wells. 667 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:42,329 Vermont because they have each 1 of these towns or picket towns that don't have a school. 668 00:36:42,329 --> 00:36:48,340 And they're going to call at their zone and they'll be able to have school choice. 669 00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:53,530 So, let's just say we're, we're with Reesboro and. 670 00:36:53,530 --> 00:36:58,960 Searsburg and so on. We'll be able to pick, have school choice. We'll be able to go to McCann. 671 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,639 But the downfall of this, and if I'm wrong, you know, cause I, I don't. 672 00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,019 Have everything. I know. Um. 673 00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:12,150 The downfall is Stanford will no longer have a school board. 674 00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:16,170 They will have representatives from Stanford go to the new zone. 675 00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:25,960 The new zones board, wherever that's located, whether it's Manchester, Wells, or here, and they will have representatives, maybe 2. 676 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,719 Go to that and they'll make decisions. 677 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,699 All these towns will have different people making decisions. 678 00:37:33,699 --> 00:37:35,989 But nevertheless. 679 00:37:35,989 --> 00:37:38,989 If things stay exactly the same. 680 00:37:38,989 --> 00:37:41,989 As they are, and they said it will be grandfather. 681 00:37:41,989 --> 00:37:44,989 So if you have children going to McCann now. 682 00:37:44,989 --> 00:37:47,869 That's grandfather, but they're going to face it up. 683 00:37:47,869 --> 00:37:50,329 Because the state needs the money. 684 00:37:50,329 --> 00:37:54,099 And they want their money staying within their state. 685 00:37:54,099 --> 00:37:59,420 Simple as that. This is a bad, bad thing for Stanford. 686 00:37:59,420 --> 00:38:07,579 Bad thing we have 20 30 plus and kids kids that go to, go to McCann. 687 00:38:07,579 --> 00:38:09,860 Yeah. Yeah. McCann. You know. 688 00:38:09,860 --> 00:38:10,260 And. 689 00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:17,539 i've i have seen uh was it mount anthony students uh with the trade school and my trade versus 690 00:38:17,539 --> 00:38:24,739 mccann and it's like day and night guys i mean it's just our mccann education for that trade 691 00:38:24,739 --> 00:38:29,619 is very good you hear me complaining about them but they're still a lot better than any other 692 00:38:29,619 --> 00:38:34,420 trade school that i've ever touched other than hudson valley community college which is the 693 00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:40,739 talent so all i'm saying is this is something that we need to get involved in at the school 694 00:38:40,739 --> 00:38:48,019 board level and see where it's at cindy's already involved with us uh well it might come like that 695 00:38:48,019 --> 00:38:56,949 by next year and then what happens will it save us money i don't know we get bus people everywhere 696 00:38:56,949 --> 00:39:02,260 they want to go so if we have a student that says school of choice i don't know i don't know what's 697 00:39:02,260 --> 00:39:06,019 going to happen we're going to do this general public school in plain valley so 698 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,199 right but we would still be okay with our elementary school being open but i mean if you 699 00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:16,119 the kids that go to the jury won't be able to go to the jury either no no high school 700 00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:23,000 or the state of massachusetts wherever yeah wherever you are if you pick bennington yeah 701 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:30,519 that's where all your high school we would have to choose 702 00:39:43,739 --> 00:39:50,139 this zone would be just for the trade school then no it will be everything right now we don't have 703 00:39:50,139 --> 00:39:56,940 this zone that i'm talking about is a fictitious zone at this point there is coming up with some 704 00:39:56,940 --> 00:40:03,019 they're trying in a state there's also a number of students so the state mandates that a zone has to 705 00:40:03,019 --> 00:40:08,219 have i think three thousand plus students so in order to get that many students we have to go a 706 00:40:08,219 --> 00:40:14,389 long way from the state of vermont in the towns that don't have high schools so if we're going to 707 00:40:14,409 --> 00:40:21,389 mount anthony for example are we busting those kids over through woodford we can't leave the 708 00:40:21,389 --> 00:40:25,309 state no it doesn't say we can't leave the state it says we can't our money can't go through the 709 00:40:25,309 --> 00:40:32,989 state so i know that the district team started off as five five different districts for the 710 00:40:32,989 --> 00:40:38,309 entire state um i know that got shot down but they're still trying to district how 711 00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:44,510 well this sounds exactly like what they're describing yes because i know governor scott 712 00:40:45,590 --> 00:40:52,550 that was his plan he was trying to get rid of a lot of unions too because of the money right i mean 713 00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:59,469 you got our union's million dollar budget bennington's million dollar budget and you got 714 00:40:59,469 --> 00:41:05,710 what's brown more over that yeah so if you if you cut it into different pieces of pie you've got less 715 00:41:05,710 --> 00:41:10,070 people you have to hide they're not using the word consolidation right but it's what it is 716 00:41:10,070 --> 00:41:14,829 right it's exactly what the striking the state of vermont doesn't allow um 717 00:41:15,849 --> 00:41:21,829 charter schools uh it's very difficult to get an independent school uh there are independent 718 00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:28,710 schools in vermont that uh north bennington manchester has one you know so though if this 719 00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:35,769 is just an opinion now if they would create competition then things would get better 720 00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:41,309 stafford elementary school right now is doing better than reasonable loss and that's why we 721 00:41:41,309 --> 00:41:46,070 have reasonable students here if we can create better school systems 722 00:41:47,130 --> 00:41:51,210 and we wouldn't be worried about it so much but when you're saying geez i want my kid to go to the 723 00:41:51,210 --> 00:42:00,230 camp and you can't do that because you got to go to mount anthony you're not i mean just the equipment 724 00:42:00,230 --> 00:42:04,949 that they have in those trains are different you know so you know you're not going to get the same 725 00:42:04,949 --> 00:42:12,039 trade training simple as that but the new system is just oh yeah it's amazing how long are you going 726 00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:17,159 to spend on a posture yeah oh yeah it's just it's a 727 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:24,119 there's no positive i see him going to bennington we're in a location that is very unique and that's 728 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,239 helps us well they're looking at them they're bean counters you know that they're just looking 729 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:35,239 at the bottom down yeah exactly so you want to go that way the original 730 00:42:42,179 --> 00:42:48,789 now you want to put a bus over there or a bunch of kids yeah yeah and either way you go 731 00:42:49,429 --> 00:42:53,750 there and go through reedsboro or you go up over the hill yeah really are awful in the winter oh 732 00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:57,510 that doesn't matter maybe the state would risk some money to put a two-lane highway right over 733 00:42:57,510 --> 00:43:03,670 the mountain through county road that's what we need to do yeah so that'll save us some money 734 00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:12,230 right that'll save the money maybe they'll get some federal funding for that yeah risky ranch 735 00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:21,590 yeah we'll give them more we'll put a toll on that right right so is that all right so i that's that's about it 736 00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:36,519 it's all i remember yes so because you guys didn't go so we said we're going to have another meeting 737 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,500 why wednesdays though uh i don't know you weren't there you didn't tell me 738 00:43:43,179 --> 00:43:46,860 you should have sat down i would have changed i said something the first time but that's all i 739 00:43:46,860 --> 00:43:53,639 don't remember i'm sorry i told him i said it seems like there's no other meetings like school 740 00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:58,119 board meetings and stuff and wednesdays so i thought that was a good day but we could do it 741 00:44:00,539 --> 00:44:10,900 yeah yeah yeah it's not you know i'm sorry it's just my work yeah yeah yeah okay um we already 742 00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:21,559 reviewed the recycling update uh tax sale update the tax sale was held uh last thursday yep so i 743 00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:30,679 was at that one too and all one property went on sale and it got sold got sold uh i was the second 744 00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:41,460 bidder so again it's better and uh okay you went for 31. this is the uh open world one no no 745 00:44:45,460 --> 00:44:56,969 29 29 31 000. yeah wow yeah just before you like uh three three lots before you right across from 746 00:44:56,969 --> 00:45:02,809 the smiths oh it's an empty ladder there's no building yeah but it's stormy yeah i guess you're 747 00:45:02,969 --> 00:45:10,090 a lot of people but they've grown many many years 84 i think yeah yeah yeah and they've never done 748 00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:16,329 anything with it no that's all i i was interested you know 29 acres of land is 29 acres land you 749 00:45:16,329 --> 00:45:22,949 know it's got trees on it i was in looking at it and uh that was a good place it was and i could 750 00:45:22,949 --> 00:45:26,469 have went higher but i got enough properties i didn't want to be the number one taxpayer 751 00:45:28,969 --> 00:45:32,969 okay um so there's a new tax sale coming up uh 752 00:45:33,769 --> 00:45:40,329 don't know if you remember the date wednesday november 19th 18th what road frontage was with 753 00:45:40,329 --> 00:45:49,210 the lot out of curiosity 300 300 yeah so it's 300 by just under a mile it's a it's a it's a hairy 754 00:45:49,210 --> 00:45:57,849 lot yeah four thousand something feet and a depth and three hundred yeah spaghetti yeah well they're 755 00:45:57,849 --> 00:46:02,969 all like that yeah just like that well i guess just to play one time certain sections of town 756 00:46:03,929 --> 00:46:09,610 mr patton uh yeah just like up by uh risky man tro and my friends are they're all like this 757 00:46:09,610 --> 00:46:17,219 they're triangles you got i'll go to a point there's like 12 owners go to this one silent 758 00:46:17,219 --> 00:46:24,949 dreams which is changing the the frontage up there the 300 which on which property 759 00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:32,469 that's all right i got 1300 300. okay you know and i'm buying another piece up there too 760 00:46:33,269 --> 00:46:34,469 wednesday november 18th 761 00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:37,269 at 11 o'clock is the next tax sale 11 o'clock 762 00:46:40,949 --> 00:46:44,710 well i'm probably going to be there for that one too so if you can't make it i'll be there 763 00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:49,989 yeah that's uh on county road last house on county road i'm right 764 00:46:51,019 --> 00:46:54,219 is there a mortgage on that can i say a name that's house 765 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,440 well it's in the paper is the name out the name is out there it's in the paper the name is out 766 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,760 there in the bulletin board yeah 767 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:13,159 okay okay unless you remember it was carol baker's yeah yeah i don't remember i probably 768 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:27,400 okay uh correspondence lori so i received a resignation from sally ball as delinquent tax 769 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:33,059 collector she'd like it to be effective november 24th because she would like to just be able to 770 00:47:34,340 --> 00:47:37,780 see this next tax sale to the end but then 771 00:47:38,860 --> 00:47:46,139 not have to start the turnover of delinquent taxes from this year's tax date so sure continue on 772 00:47:46,139 --> 00:47:54,380 until the 24th our taxes are due must be the 19th thursday the 19th then you'll turn them over to 773 00:47:54,380 --> 00:48:00,139 whoever the new delinquent tax collector is so it'll be all clean yeah is that appointed 774 00:48:01,190 --> 00:48:02,309 well it's a lifetime 775 00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:07,829 you could appoint someone until march but it would only go until march and then 776 00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:13,550 anybody could run in the March election so we should definitely have someone 777 00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:18,590 correctly oh yeah otherwise yes so this would give people time to think about it 778 00:48:18,590 --> 00:48:43,900 I feel we should accept it Sally's been delinquent tax collector for 30 years at 779 00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:48,579 least yeah 780 00:48:49,420 --> 00:48:59,539 she really is gone really has cleared up a lot of old back taxes so any any 781 00:48:59,539 --> 00:49:06,280 interested parties you get a handbook 782 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:19,190 Laurie did she give any indication about mentoring somebody I did ask if she 783 00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:19,489 would 784 00:49:19,489 --> 00:49:19,530 I did ask if she would 785 00:49:19,530 --> 00:49:37,480 so any interested parties please have your letter of interest to the select 786 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:47,750 board because I think we should appoint is this a paid job yes it's a you get 787 00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:50,690 paid five percent of the taxes you collect 788 00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:50,750 paid five percent of the taxes you collect 789 00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:52,690 paid five percent of the taxes you collect okay so if you don't do any 790 00:49:52,690 --> 00:49:52,710 okay so if you don't do any 791 00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:56,690 okay so if you don't do any collection of taxes you don't get paid and 792 00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:56,710 collection of taxes you don't get paid and 793 00:49:56,710 --> 00:50:00,550 collection of taxes you don't get paid and that's happened many years ago this 794 00:50:00,550 --> 00:50:00,570 that's happened many years ago this 795 00:50:00,570 --> 00:50:02,809 that's happened many years ago this select board put that in because we did 796 00:50:02,809 --> 00:50:02,829 select board put that in because we did 797 00:50:02,829 --> 00:50:04,909 select board put that in because we did have delinquent tax collectors that got 798 00:50:04,909 --> 00:50:04,929 have delinquent tax collectors that got 799 00:50:04,929 --> 00:50:07,869 have delinquent tax collectors that got paid their ten dollars an hour did 800 00:50:07,869 --> 00:50:07,889 paid their ten dollars an hour did 801 00:50:07,889 --> 00:50:09,170 paid their ten dollars an hour did nothing with it I don't know what they 802 00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:09,190 nothing with it I don't know what they 803 00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:15,829 not pay but they did nothing so this is a good incentive if you look in the town report you can 804 00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:22,480 see what she gets depending on the year and what's delinquent and how hard you go after these people 805 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:29,840 but i know she's worked with people set up payment plans listened to their woes and worked with them 806 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:38,260 and sympathized with them and you work with an attorney for the tax sale she does hire an 807 00:50:38,260 --> 00:50:45,699 attorney because all that fee is recouped by the person buying the tax sale it doesn't cost 808 00:50:45,699 --> 00:50:51,619 anything from the town so um if we sell it which basically does all that work she turns 809 00:50:54,690 --> 00:50:59,800 runs the tax sale yes and there's the next what they're going to decide 810 00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:11,809 right not what they're paid at right so this last one 811 00:51:11,809 --> 00:51:12,130 i think 812 00:51:12,289 --> 00:51:16,929 is only four thousand three thousand something dollars she gets five percent of that not the 813 00:51:16,929 --> 00:51:22,150 thirty one thousand right exactly what do you mean the thirty one thousand that's what the 814 00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:27,590 person paid for oh yeah yeah so what about three fourths so what happens in that case 815 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,239 the person that bids on the taxes tax sale 816 00:51:36,739 --> 00:51:42,500 has to pay the attorney fee because that's included the publication fee the recording fee 817 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:52,710 the back taxes and anything left over goes to the delinquent tax collector but the money that you pay 818 00:51:52,710 --> 00:52:00,849 for the property is it they don't add those fees on afterwards it comes out of what you bought it 819 00:52:00,849 --> 00:52:06,530 for right right there you're paying everything right there yeah so if this guy he paid you 31 820 00:52:06,530 --> 00:52:11,250 he doesn't have to pay any more just all those fees come out then the person gets the rest 821 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,639 so when i purchased this one down here 822 00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:24,710 was 55 and it started at 20 something and then all the purchases came out of that so the person 823 00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:32,119 got approximately thirty thousand dollars extra he lost his property but got thirty thousand dollars 824 00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:38,449 extra to do whatever he wanted well pay the other taxes on anything the excess goes to the 825 00:52:38,929 --> 00:52:48,739 property yes and then they have one year to come in and buy a backwoods for twenty thousand or they i'm 826 00:52:48,739 --> 00:52:53,619 sorry they have to pay what you pay so mine would be 55 they would have to give it back to me plus 827 00:52:54,639 --> 00:52:56,079 the one percent per month 828 00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:06,559 so can i have a motion to accept this letter with red effective november 24th motion 829 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,480 all in favor thank you sally yes 830 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,480 hopefully it's not one of them homegrown positions that becomes really hard to throw 831 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,070 yeah yeah it's yes 832 00:53:18,070 --> 00:53:19,829 very important 833 00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:24,079 okay um anything else under correspondence lori 834 00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:30,530 i received an email today from the vermont league of cities and towns 835 00:53:33,380 --> 00:53:41,300 they're saying that there might be some changes coming down the pipe that in december of 2025 836 00:53:42,099 --> 00:53:50,679 passive and verb which are two of the organizations they work with refuse to 837 00:53:53,909 --> 00:53:56,230 renew their services with the lct 838 00:53:57,670 --> 00:54:04,070 and negotiate and negotiate negotiated and they finally agreed to at least get through 2026 because 839 00:54:04,070 --> 00:54:11,190 they had already jumped in um they never told anybody but now they're facing 2027 and they 840 00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:18,469 haven't come to any agreements so they want towns to know that there may be a lot of changes from the 841 00:54:18,469 --> 00:54:27,360 lct um i i i'm not the only person in the room that's lost what do those people do yeah the lct 842 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:27,599 that's 843 00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:43,760 what they're going to try to do first is try to change or give services to their members 844 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:50,800 including reinstating fees for training right now the training is all free reducing the number of 845 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:56,960 educational opportunities offered reevaluating what types of inquiries that can answer because 846 00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:02,639 they're kind of a go-to for towns for us to answer questions and provide assistance 847 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:10,079 um they'll probably will do less of updating templates and providing models for our ordinances 848 00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:19,349 and policies yeah um they don't they're not really saying what it's kind of a general overview of we 849 00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:24,739 don't really know what to say but we have to say something because it's about time we should be 850 00:55:24,739 --> 00:55:26,900 thinking about renewing and we don't know what we're going to do 851 00:55:27,619 --> 00:55:31,780 so they're going to cut back on things because the insurance company's not going to do them 852 00:55:31,780 --> 00:55:41,719 why because all those two organizations always worked with the lct to keep their risk cool down 853 00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:48,530 like all of the towns in the state of vermont participated kept everything low at the cost 854 00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:54,559 lower than just i understand what that worked but we still don't know why those people are 855 00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:59,039 going out of kicking that no they've provided no explanation as to why 856 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:07,719 and i wonder if the bltc gets you know like part of the deal is for everything 857 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:15,639 every insurance you can get x amount of it so now if that's going to that stream of 858 00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:22,360 uh finances is going to dry up then they don't have their expenses go up yeah so they're also 859 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:28,280 seeking to reduce the amount of money they pay the lct to administer the insurance program um 860 00:56:30,849 --> 00:56:43,650 i have no idea how much this is going to affect us long term because really sharing time with 861 00:56:43,650 --> 00:56:52,289 services at that point will they even offer us well that's what i mean we we join that right 862 00:56:52,289 --> 00:56:58,929 that's what we're doing we're a member of it we join it for services they're going to take away 863 00:56:58,929 --> 00:57:06,500 the services we don't know what yeah yeah exactly great question we're leaving service if now i'm 864 00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:07,539 going to be a clock yeah i'm going to do it right you're going to get driven to a house or whatever. 865 00:57:07,539 --> 00:57:15,579 I would imagine that the biggest one is that none of us could then call it. 866 00:57:15,579 --> 00:57:18,579 So we have to hire lawyers more so we can get more sponsors. 867 00:57:18,579 --> 00:57:22,579 I enjoyed the training with that. They were doing it here and do it at your home. 868 00:57:22,579 --> 00:57:25,579 Questions that the state pushes us to ask. 869 00:57:25,579 --> 00:57:26,639 Right. 870 00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:30,639 You know, our questions, if the state didn't change anything as of right now, 871 00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:32,639 we probably wouldn't come up with any more questions. 872 00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:34,639 We've already learned most of them. 873 00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:37,639 But because the state changes, we are going to have to change. 874 00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:39,639 Because there's 1,100 bills on the slide. 875 00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:41,639 Right, that's correct. 876 00:57:41,639 --> 00:57:45,639 You only have to learn one. You don't have to keep learning. 877 00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:48,710 They don't have to keep stacking. One bad bill doesn't fix another. 878 00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:50,510 Right. 879 00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:52,510 That's just the cycle that we're in. 880 00:57:52,510 --> 00:57:56,150 But I would try to figure out what services they even offer us. 881 00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:59,400 Well, they offer an awful lot of resources. 882 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,400 You know, if we don't quite understand law or we don't know how to implement this, 883 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,400 we can just call them or email them and ask for an opinion. 884 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,400 But that doesn't stop. 885 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,400 We have lawyers on staff that explain things. 886 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:17,440 You know, our dog ordinance was a policy that they presented to the House. 887 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,440 We didn't have to recreate the wheel and rewrite it. 888 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,440 We just had to go through it and make it our own in the House. 889 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:24,440 Yeah. 890 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:31,440 And like once or twice a month, they do, like, you can watch a thing and you can just, you know, 891 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,440 ask the attorneys any question you want. 892 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:34,440 Sure. 893 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,440 And they have lunchtime lectures or something. 894 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:37,440 Yeah. 895 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,440 All those free services. 896 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:39,440 Yeah. 897 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:40,440 Yeah, they're going to go. 898 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:41,440 They're going to go. 899 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:42,440 The money is free. 900 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,440 We pay, but if they stop providing that as a service. 901 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,440 What are we paying for? 902 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:47,530 Well, we won't pay. 903 00:58:47,530 --> 00:58:49,760 So then, like, they don't have to. 904 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,760 Well, you're doing a part of what they are going to do. 905 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:54,760 Right. 906 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,760 I mean, before town meeting, they run training for moderators. 907 00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:58,760 Right. 908 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:03,760 And the course of the year for the select board is to do a meeting for a job. 909 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:04,760 Yeah. 910 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:05,760 So it's been helpful. 911 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:06,760 Yeah. 912 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:07,760 How to pay for it as a civil authority. 913 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:08,760 Right. 914 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:09,760 How to pay for an abatement. 915 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:10,760 All those things. 916 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,519 How often that can't believe to be pushed up on? 917 00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:15,679 Especially if there's new members. 918 00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:17,260 Because the other thing you're going to be stuck with, 919 00:59:17,260 --> 00:59:19,760 if they're not there for a reference, 920 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,159 you may have to go back and ask for the state. 921 00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:25,639 And Lord help you before you can't answer the state. 922 00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:28,480 They'll tell you, go on this website. 923 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,559 That, all that is interpretation. 924 00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:34,320 This is nice, because you talk to a person, 925 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,119 and they can't help you interpret you. 926 00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:40,079 You know, it's kind of like our open meeting lot. 927 00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:42,920 But they're not saying they're going to do your business. 928 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:43,679 How do you do that? 929 00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:47,389 No, we've been trying to renegotiate the agreement 930 00:59:47,389 --> 00:59:56,250 with these folks who are going to come into the meeting. 931 00:59:56,250 --> 00:59:58,829 That's going to all be about money. 932 00:59:58,829 --> 01:00:00,150 It's all about money. 933 01:00:00,150 --> 01:00:01,710 They're going to say, oh, well, we do. 934 01:00:01,710 --> 01:00:02,730 But here's the number. 935 01:00:02,730 --> 01:00:04,170 Then they're going to go to the towns 936 01:00:04,170 --> 01:00:06,570 and say, are you willing to pay this much more 937 01:00:06,570 --> 01:00:08,110 for them same services? 938 01:00:08,110 --> 01:00:09,110 Yeah. 939 01:00:09,110 --> 01:00:10,030 It's all money. 940 01:00:10,030 --> 01:00:11,349 Insurance companies run the world. 941 01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:13,530 State money. 942 01:00:13,530 --> 01:00:17,130 State's taking all the money. 943 01:00:17,130 --> 01:00:17,369 OK. 944 01:00:17,369 --> 01:00:17,869 OK. 945 01:00:17,869 --> 01:00:20,610 Keep an eye on it and see what happens. 946 01:00:20,610 --> 01:00:24,610 Anything else under full business or correspondence? 947 01:00:24,610 --> 01:00:27,480 I just have a dog update. 948 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:27,980 Oh, good. 949 01:00:27,980 --> 01:00:32,820 We had another dog owner come in about this week. 950 01:00:32,820 --> 01:00:37,320 And five dog owners. 951 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:42,369 Are these five dog owners working with Luke, or are they? 952 01:00:42,369 --> 01:00:47,800 I didn't talk to Luke before tonight for that stance. 953 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,360 Would you get in touch with him and say, go to the next step? 954 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:52,599 I mean, it's been two months. 955 01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:53,599 Absolutely. 956 01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:55,059 Follow the rules. 957 01:00:55,059 --> 01:00:56,269 OK. 958 01:00:56,269 --> 01:00:57,349 Send him a text. 959 01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:58,469 Go to the next step. 960 01:00:58,469 --> 01:01:00,289 And go to court. 961 01:01:00,289 --> 01:01:04,659 How about the fellow that we sent the fine to? 962 01:01:04,659 --> 01:01:05,159 All right. 963 01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:07,219 Follow up on him, too. 964 01:01:07,219 --> 01:01:09,840 I mean, I think that last time I talked to Luke, 965 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,880 he said there wasn't a round of kinds 966 01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,000 that he needed to send out before going to court. 967 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,219 Once he goes to court, we don't pay him for his money. 968 01:01:18,219 --> 01:01:18,719 Right. 969 01:01:18,719 --> 01:01:21,500 Well, we can't let these dogs run around like this. 970 01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:22,340 This is precedence. 971 01:01:22,340 --> 01:01:22,840 Yeah. 972 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,039 And people just say, well, my dog doesn't run around. 973 01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:25,539 Well. 974 01:01:25,539 --> 01:01:28,210 It doesn't cost us anything, you know what I mean? 975 01:01:28,210 --> 01:01:31,269 To let it just do the job. 976 01:01:31,269 --> 01:01:32,210 These people. 977 01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:33,769 And the five people are the 978 01:01:33,769 --> 01:01:40,219 Oh, it's just absolutely ludicrous that you won't spend $20. 979 01:01:40,219 --> 01:01:49,739 And these people, their name have been in the minutes and didn't help very much. 980 01:01:49,739 --> 01:01:51,989 OK. 981 01:01:51,989 --> 01:01:54,820 New business. 982 01:01:54,820 --> 01:01:56,320 Oh, I have another old business. 983 01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:01,460 Just wanted to mention again about the ballots. 984 01:02:01,460 --> 01:02:06,280 I'm sure we all received our ballots in the mail. 985 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:11,260 If you can vote them at home, put them inside that inside envelope, 986 01:02:11,260 --> 01:02:16,039 fill that inside envelope out, and bring it here on election day, 987 01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:18,849 or put it in the box there. 988 01:02:18,849 --> 01:02:21,769 Or if you want to mail it back, that's fine, too. 989 01:02:21,769 --> 01:02:25,750 But that ballot that you were mailed, what's that? 990 01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:26,570 Do it tomorrow. 991 01:02:26,570 --> 01:02:27,369 Do it tomorrow. 992 01:02:27,369 --> 01:02:28,489 That ballot you were mailed. 993 01:02:28,489 --> 01:02:28,690 Yeah. 994 01:02:28,690 --> 01:02:31,969 That is a good ballot that counts for election. 995 01:02:31,969 --> 01:02:35,449 You can do it tomorrow, and then the candidate you voted for drops out. 996 01:02:35,449 --> 01:02:37,369 And you're like, oh, you've got to be kidding me. 997 01:02:37,369 --> 01:02:38,409 You're done. 998 01:02:38,409 --> 01:02:47,760 So be sure to bring that ballot with you when you vote or vote at home and send it in. 999 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,320 Somehow drop it off here. 1000 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,980 Just because I haven't looked at mine yet, that is only for our state, right? 1001 01:02:52,980 --> 01:02:54,539 It's not our town voting stuff, right? 1002 01:02:54,539 --> 01:02:55,400 Correct. 1003 01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,099 So you still have to come here to vote for the town stuff. 1004 01:02:59,099 --> 01:02:59,599 Yes. 1005 01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:00,099 In March. 1006 01:03:00,099 --> 01:03:00,599 In March. 1007 01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:01,099 In March. 1008 01:03:01,099 --> 01:03:02,099 But on that ballot. 1009 01:03:02,099 --> 01:03:05,519 Although there's some things happening this November, too, right? 1010 01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:06,219 Justice of the Peace. 1011 01:03:06,219 --> 01:03:06,719 Justice of the Peace. 1012 01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:07,219 Yes. 1013 01:03:07,219 --> 01:03:08,670 So they are local anonymous. 1014 01:03:08,670 --> 01:03:09,550 Yeah. 1015 01:03:09,550 --> 01:03:10,670 Leave the back side. 1016 01:03:10,670 --> 01:03:11,789 They're on that ballot? 1017 01:03:11,789 --> 01:03:12,289 Yes. 1018 01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:15,789 And there's a blank for Justice of the Peace, too, on that ballot. 1019 01:03:15,789 --> 01:03:16,409 I just haven't. 1020 01:03:16,409 --> 01:03:17,329 I saw mine. 1021 01:03:17,329 --> 01:03:18,630 I just haven't had a chance to look at it. 1022 01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:21,030 I'm going to write your name in on all of them anyways. 1023 01:03:21,030 --> 01:03:21,530 OK. 1024 01:03:21,530 --> 01:03:22,030 Sounds good. 1025 01:03:22,030 --> 01:03:23,829 So we'll know who voted for it. 1026 01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:24,829 Yep. 1027 01:03:24,829 --> 01:03:25,329 OK. 1028 01:03:25,329 --> 01:03:27,829 Any other new business? 1029 01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:28,710 No? 1030 01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:29,210 Guys? 1031 01:03:29,210 --> 01:03:29,789 No? 1032 01:03:29,989 --> 01:03:31,199 No. 1033 01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:31,699 OK. 1034 01:03:31,699 --> 01:03:33,699 I think we can adjourn. 1035 01:03:33,699 --> 01:03:34,199 Adjourn. 1036 01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:35,199 Most people adjourned. 1037 01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:35,699 Adjourn. 1038 01:03:35,699 --> 01:03:36,199 Second? 1039 01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:36,699 Third? 1040 01:03:36,699 --> 01:03:37,199 Yes. 1041 01:03:37,199 --> 01:03:37,699 All in favor? 1042 01:03:37,699 --> 01:03:38,199 Yes. 1043 01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:38,699 Aye. 1044 01:03:38,699 --> 01:03:39,199 Aye. 1045 01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:39,699 Aye. 1046 01:03:39,699 --> 01:03:40,199 Really?