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Let's call the meeting to order.

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Welcome to the meeting of the Stanford Select Board.

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If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda,

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you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address.

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You will notice that all our meetings are recorded

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and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes.

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Visitors are welcome and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor

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and 15 minutes per topic.

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Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others.

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Select board members present are

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Will there be any adding of items?

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or removing items from tonight's agenda?

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I do have the reappraisal agreement.

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Okay.

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It wasn't available when the agenda was ready.

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And I'd like to add an executive session regarding the upcoming tax sale.

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Will there be any adjustments to the agenda such as changing the order of items?

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I don't think so.

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And Jed is recording tonight's meeting for his YouTube video.

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Okay.

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Hearing of visitors.

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Representative Jonathan Cooper, you're on.

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All right.

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You can come right up here.

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Sure.

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All right.

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Stand wherever you're

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I'll be on the stage.

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Stand on the stage over there.

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Here we go.

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This is a good background.

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I'll take it.

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Okay.

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That's fine.

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All right.

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So, hello.

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I'm Jonathan Cooper.

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I'm the State Representative.

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This is my first term in office.

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And I think the purpose of meeting here tonight was to talk about something that's affecting tax sales

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and how municipalities have to go about providing notice

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to individuals affected by upcoming tax sales.

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This was Act 106 of 2024.

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I'd like to thank Shepard for giving me a little bit of guidance and who to talk to.

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For example, Kevin O'Toole, an attorney who works in these matters.

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I was having a good chat with some legislators who had introduced the bill in 2024

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and also had jurisdiction over it to get a sense of how the testimony went.

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This was prior to my time in the legislature.

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The issue at hand appears to be that, you know,

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two new actions were added for what municipalities have to do to provide notice.

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As it had been in the past, you send a certified mail.

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If you get a receipt that has been received by the individual, you're done.

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If you don't, you have to send first-class mail that provides all the information about the upcoming tax sale date, etc.

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But the new things that were added was that in addition to that first-class mail,

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you now have to attempt to reach people by email.

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And make a good faith effort to find an email if you don't have it.

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Second, and most importantly, you have to go to the property with the notice.

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And if there's a structure on the property, attach it to the door.

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And I think that's really, that's new work.

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That's an unfunded mandate that doesn't come with any assistance from the state.

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This is a new requirement.

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The goal is to make sure that nobody's surprised by a tax sale.

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In my conversation with Kevin O'Toole, he said about 70% of those certified letters are received.

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So this is about the last, you know, third.

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Just making sure that people find out what they need to know.

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And you can go into these things fully informed.

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Maybe make, you know, make up, get out of arrears in the first place if they can.

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It's worth noting that people, you know, after a tax sale, you have a year to make good.

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And then, you know, everything's restored.

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But the challenge, I think, and this, I talked to the ranking member of the House Committee on Government Operations

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to ask, did anybody raise whether this creates a situation for conflict?

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Going to someone's house with bad news at a tough time in anyone's life.

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Sending people out there to just go up to the end of a long driveway where someone doesn't want to see you.

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And...

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And tack something to their door.

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And tack...

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And just boom.

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And tack something to their door.

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And that's a...

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That's an uncomfortable situation.

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And unfortunately, that situation wasn't considered in the testimony they received.

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They took a lot of testimony, but that just didn't come up as a potential issue.

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That surprised me.

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How did you get that information that it wasn't considered?

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From the legislator who was in the...

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The ranking member of the Chief of Jurisdiction.

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What's his name?

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Her name is Shea Waters.

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Okay.

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And so the testimony is all archived as well online to be viewed.

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I just, you know, so we can check that out on the VP.

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But...

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And then Kevin O'Toole also did not recall that coming up as part of, you know, the deliberations of the committee work.

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So there's...

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But...

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So Kevin and I were talking about what were the options.

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The legislation is very moving.

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You can assign whoever you want.

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You can send whoever you want.

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To pass that letter to the door.

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You can even send your state representative.

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But...

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You can be reelected by 1200 and carried by six.

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And so...

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I just...

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That's all you do?

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So you carry them all the way around.

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It would be a public safety thing.

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So there is...

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Again, there's...

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So people could hire anyone they wanted, Steve.

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Police, sheriffs.

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That also may play into the same dynamic that we were already worried about in the first

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place.

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Amplifying it is not a police matter.

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So this...

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And lastly, unfortunately, towns are not allowed to pass along the cost that might

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be incurred by, say, hiring the sheriffs.

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So right now, you can only get out of arrears.

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You can't then say, okay, but it costs us 400 bucks to have the deputy take this up.

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Yes, they're forcing you to do it.

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But you have to do it.

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So there's another bit of that unfunded mandate.

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And now you have to eat the cost.

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And so...

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So the legislative intent was, I think, like a lot of things, well-intended, but maybe

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this didn't quite hit the mark.

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So what I wanted to talk about tonight was whether there might be some interest in the

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upcoming legislative session, really making sure that we're sharpening up how we can address

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this.

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There may be a lot of ways to be addressed.

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And it may be making that email and notice an email or notice.

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It could be that the and becomes an or, and then you have a few options to go with.

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So...

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It may be the case that you try to find a way to allow the legislation to enable municipalities

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to recruit that cost.

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That may feel like the camel getting its nose in the tent a little bit.

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So anyways, there's just a lot of different options, but I wanted to mention that this

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is the conversation I've been having in preparation for tonight.

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And I want to just sort of share that info with you.

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How would we start that process?

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Write you a letter and say, please present this to the next session?

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I mean, so it sort of starts with the first letter.

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And then you have to say, please, I'm sorry.

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Please, I'm sorry.

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Please, I'm sorry.

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Please, I'm sorry.

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Please, I'm sorry.

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Please, I'm sorry.

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Please, I'm sorry.

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Please, I'm sorry.

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Please, I'm sorry.

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Please, I'm sorry.

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Please, I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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Please, I'm sorry.

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Please, I'm sorry.

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If you don't allow us to present this to the next session.

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I mean, so it sort of starting now, if people are interested, it doesn't have to be formal.

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There doesn't have to be a, but a town can do something like that to say, this is a nation

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for us.

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And that just allows legislators to do what they need to do, which is represent.

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I'll add one little quick comment that I looked at the, there was a roll call on this act.

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And it was 92 or 44.

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Who said no?

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It was interesting to see.

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So my predecessor, Nelson Brownell, representing Snickerd, he sat down. Nelson spent a lot of years on town activities. He saw the issues of it. Representative Sebelia in Dover said no. Representative Roberts, who was Halifax, Weddingham, and Wilmington.

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So this whole area was pretty clear. And I think that the rural caucus, which is a group of legislators from the rural parts of the state, which Representative Sebelia chairs, is a natural ally.

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We can sort of begin to send this around to them and say, hey, here's something, because this is about the time of year when people begin to think about what they want to do in the next session.

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Obviously, there's an election and that matters, but the point is to at least put that out there so people can begin thinking about, am I seeing that from towns in my district as well?

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I doubt that if this is a problem in Stanford, this is not a problem anywhere but Stanford. So it's a matter of finding who also feels uncomfortable with this.

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I think there's a lot of, not a lot, but many delinquent tax collectors that are older and do this for part-time.

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And I know we did not feel comfortable going here. First, I said, oh yeah, that's no problem.

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Then you hear on the news with these shootings, people turn around in your driveway and, yeah.

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That's not good. That's not safe for any of us.

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Ruby Ridge, what happens to the government that shows up to your house?

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Yeah.

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Well, you know, you weren't even elected when this was passed, correct?

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So we were not going to beat up the mess in your desk, for sure.

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Right, right.

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But it's not just about the safety, it's liability.

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The state has done more than just one thing that they force us to do something and they don't compensate us.

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Right.

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If you were to go back to the legislator and say what our concerns were, I would not want to end a war.

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Most of these people that can't afford their taxes and are in arrears are having big problems.

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They might not even have an internet service anymore.

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You know, to go up to these people in those times, they've already been contacting for the last two years before this happens by members of the town.

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So contacting them is not a problem, or if it was, it still is.

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So I would like to be compensated for what it costs.

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Now, I'm not saying that we're going to be compensated.

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We're going to hire a guy.

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We're going to pay him $100 an hour, but we should be able to call law enforcement and be compensated.

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Whether it's state troopers, which they should just come down and help us for free, because we're already paying them,

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and we very rarely get service from them, not to pick on them, but we're staffers, okay?

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They don't spend a lot of time down here.

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We already found we can't afford or we chose not to have a contract with the sheriff for three hours a week.

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It's just not feasible for us.

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So we should definitely be able to call.

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We should call law enforcement and protect the citizens of Stanford.

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We don't ask much from the state at all, at all.

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You don't ever hear us calling you.

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Am I correct?

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Especially this board.

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I think this is the second time I've ever met you.

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Okay?

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Our last representative, I never met at all.

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Not really did.

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My question, I have one question while I'm at your ear, is when these legislations come up, you always hear about them, correct?

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Yes, we do.

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If there's a bill.

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A lot.

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That is presented, you always hear about them, okay?

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So if there's a bill that comes up, and you're representing us, and when I say us, I'm going to say, what is it, Bennington County, I mean, how far do you reach out?

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Oh, so it's five towns of Stanford, Reesboro, Searsburg, Woodford, and-

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And you get one vote on that, just like when they ask for these votes, et cetera, it's nine-

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It's a vote call, yeah.

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So you get to go and speak?

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And talk, and vote, correct?

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Yeah.

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All right.

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So how do you know what your constituents want?

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Okay, so, so a big, bigger picture question, so we're sort of non-

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So one of the-

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Yeah, that's okay.

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I mean, if there's 1,200 of those a year.

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And so there's a lot.

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We rely on committees and jurisdictions to really dig into the details and let us know, here's why this is a great idea, here's why this is not, it was interesting to see Mr.

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Atul's testimony that you gave.

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So he said actually, February looked a lot more like the final bill than what it was looking like when he gave his testimony.

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So a lot of his input made a difference.

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So we've spent a lot of time hearing from committee chairs, committee representatives who are saying, here's where things are with us.

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Like a lot of things, you gotta, you gotta be curious.

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You have to want to know.

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Sometimes you miss all of this or something along those lines.

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You miss a bill, you miss this section.

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In fact, this past session, this session, this session has been a really successful one.

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Section of statute was touched again to raise the threshold,

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to establish a threshold where you couldn't do tax sales

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until someone owes $1,500.

250
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Right, right, yeah.

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And that was new,

252
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because they didn't want people losing everything

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over a $400 bill.

254
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But the point is, that was in the education bill.

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So that was in one page of a 120-page monster,

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and so sometimes it's hard to catch all those little bits.

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However, the process is slow.

258
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It takes months for bills to get through.

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I think that legislators will have an opportunity

260
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to hear if something comes up that's,

261
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can you provide this for us?

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Or you talk to some of the attorneys

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that help legislators shape the bills.

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Look on legislative councils,

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people that have that area of statute expertise.

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There's one version for the education stuff.

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There's one version for the tax stuff.

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And you try to figure out questions you may have,

269
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you bring it back to the public,

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and sometimes it's hard to give every single bill

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the same kind of...

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Yeah.

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Is there a place where the general public

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can almost go to, and what is...

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I'm making a reservation.

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Legislature.germont.gov.

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I actually have to say...

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It goes through the process.

279
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It's a really comprehensive...

280
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It's kind of like a media almost.

281
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In the 1500s, are they working on reducing that?

282
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That would mean land like we have Alkmaul Lots.

283
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And how many years?

284
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It would take forever.

285
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If I didn't make an adjustment and said

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that there's no building on the property,

287
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they waived that requirement.

288
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Oh, okay.

289
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If there's a building, it's still safe.

290
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Okay, all right.

291
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That makes sense.

292
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In the early versions of that legislation,

293
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that exact issue came up where it might take 30 years

294
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for it to actually become actionable.

295
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So they pulled that, they added some numbers,

296
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they moved things around.

297
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But it's interesting with the legislature,

298
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everything seems so formal.

299
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Everything seems so set.

300
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And then it turns out there's just erasers

301
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on all of these pencils and people can adjust things.

302
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And that's sort of...

303
00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:53,490
Sometimes it's the case where do we make it perfect

304
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in this session?

305
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We just have these 19 weeks and we're not even close

306
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to one big happy family.

307
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And we just...

308
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Can we get some things done and then fix it

309
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if we find a problem?

310
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And that can bite you when there are some problems

311
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that you didn't anticipate.

312
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A lot of blowback can take place that you thought

313
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was not going to be the issue.

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So we try to be as...

315
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I mean, it's imperfect.

316
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Like any cooperation of the people, it's imperfect.

317
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But where these things arise,

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it becomes really helpful for municipalities

319
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to have these close conversations

320
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with elected officials to say,

321
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well, this is a big problem for us.

322
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And the Newmont League of Cities and Towns,

323
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by and large, you hear from where people want things.

324
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We want this.

325
00:15:34,490 --> 00:15:37,490
It can be hard to get the same amount of attention

326
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for, you know, we're this one little town

327
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down at the very southern end of the state

328
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and this is a problem for us.

329
00:15:43,490 --> 00:15:46,490
It's not always easy to elevate that same thing.

330
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But, you know, it's a kind of Horton,

331
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here's a who moment.

332
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And it can work out if you're not doing this.

333
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Jonathan, one more...

334
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Well, I lied.

335
00:15:54,779 --> 00:15:56,779
When I say one more question, that's...

336
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But if a town doesn't...

337
00:16:01,779 --> 00:16:03,779
So this is a mandate that we have to do.

338
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If we don't do it,

339
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so we've already been told by the person

340
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that usually does this.

341
00:16:07,779 --> 00:16:08,779
They're not going to.

342
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They're not safe enough.

343
00:16:09,779 --> 00:16:10,779
They don't feel safe enough to do it.

344
00:16:10,779 --> 00:16:11,779
I see.

345
00:16:11,779 --> 00:16:12,779
So what happens?

346
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What does the state do to the town?

347
00:16:14,779 --> 00:16:16,779
I don't think the state's got too much of an iron fist.

348
00:16:16,779 --> 00:16:17,779
But I'm not...

349
00:16:17,779 --> 00:16:18,779
It's a law.

350
00:16:18,779 --> 00:16:19,779
I actually don't know.

351
00:16:19,779 --> 00:16:20,779
It's a law.

352
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And it might...

353
00:16:21,779 --> 00:16:22,779
It might void the tax sale.

354
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That would be it.

355
00:16:23,779 --> 00:16:24,779
We spoke with the attorney today

356
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and he said that you will not have a tax sale.

357
00:16:26,779 --> 00:16:27,779
Oh, yeah.

358
00:16:27,779 --> 00:16:28,779
You won't do it.

359
00:16:28,779 --> 00:16:29,779
Oh, yeah.

360
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I see.

361
00:16:30,779 --> 00:16:31,779
So you have to take...

362
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It doesn't seem to do this,

363
00:16:32,779 --> 00:16:33,779
but you have to take a picture

364
00:16:33,779 --> 00:16:34,779
when you put the notice on the door,

365
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because how can you prove that you did it?

366
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So...

367
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And I think that is the goal.

368
00:16:37,779 --> 00:16:38,779
The idea is to do it.

369
00:16:38,779 --> 00:16:39,779
Yeah.

370
00:16:39,779 --> 00:16:40,779
As many of these not fall through

371
00:16:40,779 --> 00:16:41,779
is AI.

372
00:16:41,779 --> 00:16:42,779
Yeah.

373
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That's good.

374
00:16:43,779 --> 00:16:44,809
No comments.

375
00:16:44,809 --> 00:16:45,870
Okay.

376
00:16:45,870 --> 00:16:46,870
You're smart.

377
00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:47,870
What else would you like to talk to...

378
00:16:47,870 --> 00:16:48,870
I think we've talked about that.

379
00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:49,870
That was my main concern was the tax sale.

380
00:16:49,870 --> 00:16:50,870
That was the big thing

381
00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:51,870
that I came prepared to talk about,

382
00:16:51,870 --> 00:16:52,870
but there's...

383
00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:53,870
I know there's a number of issues

384
00:16:53,870 --> 00:16:54,870
and I'm just happy to jump in

385
00:16:54,870 --> 00:16:55,870
if there's questions.

386
00:16:55,870 --> 00:16:56,870
All right.

387
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:57,870
We'll do that.

388
00:16:57,870 --> 00:16:58,870
I have a question.

389
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:59,870
Okay.

390
00:16:59,870 --> 00:17:00,870
So how...

391
00:17:00,870 --> 00:17:01,870
How do you communicate

392
00:17:01,870 --> 00:17:02,870
with your constituents?

393
00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:04,220
How do you...

394
00:17:04,220 --> 00:17:05,220
How do you communicate

395
00:17:05,220 --> 00:17:06,220
with your constituents?

396
00:17:06,220 --> 00:17:07,349
How do you communicate

397
00:17:07,349 --> 00:17:08,349
with your constituents?

398
00:17:08,349 --> 00:17:09,349
How do you communicate

399
00:17:09,349 --> 00:17:10,349
with your constituents?

400
00:17:10,349 --> 00:17:11,349
Yeah.

401
00:17:11,349 --> 00:17:12,349
How do you communicate

402
00:17:12,349 --> 00:17:13,349
with your constituents?

403
00:17:13,349 --> 00:17:14,349
You know, periodically

404
00:17:14,349 --> 00:17:15,349
throughout the year

405
00:17:15,349 --> 00:17:16,349
so that we have an idea

406
00:17:16,349 --> 00:17:17,349
of what you

407
00:17:17,349 --> 00:17:18,349
and the legislature

408
00:17:18,349 --> 00:17:19,349
is doing.

409
00:17:19,349 --> 00:17:20,349
So one of the things...

410
00:17:20,349 --> 00:17:21,349
So I've tried to do

411
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a number of things

412
00:17:22,349 --> 00:17:23,349
because they always tell you

413
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to be doing more.

414
00:17:24,349 --> 00:17:25,349
You know, there's sort of

415
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the minimum

416
00:17:26,349 --> 00:17:27,349
be at the town meetings.

417
00:17:27,349 --> 00:17:28,349
They're all

418
00:17:28,349 --> 00:17:29,349
on the same night.

419
00:17:29,349 --> 00:17:30,349
Yeah.

420
00:17:30,349 --> 00:17:31,349
God bless them.

421
00:17:31,349 --> 00:17:32,349
But at least it's

422
00:17:32,349 --> 00:17:33,349
a little bit staggering.

423
00:17:33,349 --> 00:17:34,349
You know,

424
00:17:34,349 --> 00:17:35,349
so this Yankee cannonball

425
00:17:35,349 --> 00:17:36,349
whipping through

426
00:17:36,349 --> 00:17:37,349
the starting board

427
00:17:37,349 --> 00:17:38,349
for getting back...

428
00:17:38,349 --> 00:17:39,349
Yeah.

429
00:17:39,349 --> 00:17:40,349
The...

430
00:17:40,349 --> 00:17:41,349
The...

431
00:17:41,349 --> 00:17:42,349
And then at those...

432
00:17:42,349 --> 00:17:43,349
At those meetings,

433
00:17:43,349 --> 00:17:44,349
reports that people

434
00:17:44,349 --> 00:17:45,349
have in mid-year reports,

435
00:17:45,349 --> 00:17:46,349
here's what things are,

436
00:17:46,349 --> 00:17:47,349
trying to get folks

437
00:17:47,349 --> 00:17:48,349
a sense of,

438
00:17:48,349 --> 00:17:49,349
I think that this stuff

439
00:17:49,349 --> 00:17:50,349
in 1.81

440
00:17:50,349 --> 00:17:51,349
is going to be repealed.

441
00:17:51,349 --> 00:17:52,349
It looks like,

442
00:17:52,349 --> 00:17:53,349
you know,

443
00:17:53,349 --> 00:17:54,349
this elements

444
00:17:54,349 --> 00:17:55,349
of the education

445
00:17:55,349 --> 00:17:56,349
buy-down tax

446
00:17:56,349 --> 00:17:57,349
will be somewhere

447
00:17:57,349 --> 00:17:58,349
in the $100 million range.

448
00:17:58,349 --> 00:17:59,349
Really giving people

449
00:17:59,349 --> 00:18:00,349
as much of a crystal ball

450
00:18:00,349 --> 00:18:01,349
as it can.

451
00:18:01,349 --> 00:18:02,349
And then events

452
00:18:02,349 --> 00:18:03,349
at office hours

453
00:18:03,349 --> 00:18:04,349
a little more consistently

454
00:18:04,349 --> 00:18:05,349
last year

455
00:18:05,349 --> 00:18:06,349
where it was

456
00:18:06,349 --> 00:18:07,349
the Stanford Library

457
00:18:07,349 --> 00:18:08,349
on the...

458
00:18:08,349 --> 00:18:09,349
Let's say it's

459
00:18:09,349 --> 00:18:10,349
the third Saturday

460
00:18:10,349 --> 00:18:11,349
of the month,

461
00:18:11,349 --> 00:18:12,349
so we're going

462
00:18:12,349 --> 00:18:13,349
for that at 9.30.

463
00:18:13,349 --> 00:18:14,349
As many of you

464
00:18:14,349 --> 00:18:15,349
know,

465
00:18:15,349 --> 00:18:16,349
my wife and I

466
00:18:16,349 --> 00:18:17,349
have twins

467
00:18:17,349 --> 00:18:18,349
and so that was

468
00:18:18,349 --> 00:18:19,349
in December of 2025.

469
00:18:19,349 --> 00:18:20,349
So my weekends,

470
00:18:20,349 --> 00:18:21,349
my Saturdays,

471
00:18:21,349 --> 00:18:22,349
it was a little tougher

472
00:18:22,349 --> 00:18:23,349
to come home on Friday

473
00:18:23,349 --> 00:18:24,349
and then just be out

474
00:18:24,349 --> 00:18:25,349
the door on Saturday

475
00:18:25,349 --> 00:18:26,349
with some of these

476
00:18:26,349 --> 00:18:27,349
civic engagements.

477
00:18:27,349 --> 00:18:28,349
But that's really

478
00:18:28,349 --> 00:18:29,349
events and

479
00:18:29,349 --> 00:18:30,349
coming to

480
00:18:30,349 --> 00:18:31,349
slideboard meetings.

481
00:18:31,349 --> 00:18:32,349
Email lists

482
00:18:32,349 --> 00:18:33,349
are another

483
00:18:33,349 --> 00:18:34,349
important way

484
00:18:34,349 --> 00:18:35,349
that people

485
00:18:35,349 --> 00:18:36,349
make updates

486
00:18:36,349 --> 00:18:37,349
of what's going

487
00:18:37,349 --> 00:18:38,349
on in the legislature.

488
00:18:38,349 --> 00:18:39,480
And,

489
00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:40,480
you know,

490
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:41,480
I think I have an

491
00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:42,480
interesting story

492
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:43,480
about the news

493
00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:44,480
tomorrow.

494
00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:45,480
So there's

495
00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,480
just trying to be

496
00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:47,509
in as many places

497
00:18:47,509 --> 00:18:48,509
as you can.

498
00:18:48,509 --> 00:18:49,509
It seems like

499
00:18:49,509 --> 00:18:50,509
the goal is

500
00:18:50,509 --> 00:18:51,509
to never stop

501
00:18:51,509 --> 00:18:52,509
talking,

502
00:18:52,509 --> 00:18:53,509
but I just

503
00:18:53,509 --> 00:18:54,509
need to stop

504
00:18:54,509 --> 00:18:55,509
talking once in a while.

505
00:18:55,509 --> 00:18:56,509
Like now is a good time.

506
00:18:56,509 --> 00:18:57,509
But what

507
00:18:57,509 --> 00:18:58,509
needs to happen

508
00:18:58,509 --> 00:18:59,509
is that

509
00:18:59,509 --> 00:19:00,509
of course

510
00:19:00,509 --> 00:19:01,509
you need

511
00:19:01,509 --> 00:19:02,509
to be

512
00:19:02,509 --> 00:19:03,509
available

513
00:19:03,509 --> 00:19:04,509
to listen

514
00:19:04,509 --> 00:19:05,509
to us.

515
00:19:05,509 --> 00:19:06,509
And so

516
00:19:06,509 --> 00:19:07,509
those events

517
00:19:07,509 --> 00:19:08,509
that you were

518
00:19:08,509 --> 00:19:09,509
doing,

519
00:19:09,509 --> 00:19:10,509
the Rays Road

520
00:19:10,509 --> 00:19:11,509
General Store,

521
00:19:11,509 --> 00:19:12,509
you said,

522
00:19:12,509 --> 00:19:13,509
I mean,

523
00:19:13,509 --> 00:19:14,509
will you be

524
00:19:14,509 --> 00:19:15,509
doing those

525
00:19:15,509 --> 00:19:16,509
things?

526
00:19:16,509 --> 00:19:17,509
Yeah,

527
00:19:17,509 --> 00:19:18,509
that was important

528
00:19:18,509 --> 00:19:19,509
for me to spend

529
00:19:19,509 --> 00:19:20,509
some time,

530
00:19:20,509 --> 00:19:21,509
you know,

531
00:19:21,509 --> 00:19:22,509
sort of sending

532
00:19:22,509 --> 00:19:23,509
the family

533
00:19:23,509 --> 00:19:24,509
in the first year

534
00:19:24,509 --> 00:19:25,509
of this

535
00:19:25,509 --> 00:19:26,509
last eight months.

536
00:19:26,509 --> 00:19:27,509
How long's your term?

537
00:19:27,509 --> 00:19:28,509
Two years.

538
00:19:28,509 --> 00:19:29,509
Yeah,

539
00:19:29,509 --> 00:19:30,509
everything except,

540
00:19:30,509 --> 00:19:31,509
I think,

541
00:19:31,509 --> 00:19:32,509
attorney general

542
00:19:32,509 --> 00:19:33,509
or the state's

543
00:19:33,509 --> 00:19:34,509
attorneys

544
00:19:34,509 --> 00:19:35,509
are two-year terms

545
00:19:35,509 --> 00:19:36,509
.

546
00:19:36,509 --> 00:19:37,509
You see a lot

547
00:19:37,509 --> 00:19:38,509
of turnover.

548
00:19:38,509 --> 00:19:39,509
There'll be a lot

549
00:19:39,509 --> 00:19:40,509
more turnover

550
00:19:40,509 --> 00:19:41,509
for a bunch

551
00:19:41,509 --> 00:19:42,509
of new people.

552
00:19:42,509 --> 00:19:43,509
A lot of people

553
00:19:43,509 --> 00:19:44,509
are not returning

554
00:19:44,509 --> 00:19:45,509
after some time

555
00:19:45,509 --> 00:19:46,509
in the legislature

556
00:19:46,509 --> 00:19:47,700
to work.

557
00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:48,700
Probably have

558
00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:49,700
40,

559
00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:50,700
at least 40 members

560
00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:51,700
out of 150.

561
00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:52,700
But anyhow,

562
00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:53,700
the answer to that

563
00:19:53,700 --> 00:19:54,700
is yes.

564
00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:55,700
One of the,

565
00:19:55,700 --> 00:19:56,700
I think one of the,

566
00:19:56,700 --> 00:19:57,960
I don't,

567
00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:58,960
it seems like

568
00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:59,960
every legislature

569
00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:00,960
seems to do it

570
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:01,960
really differently.

571
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:02,960
Some people send

572
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:03,960
out three emails,

573
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:04,960
you know,

574
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:05,960
every,

575
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:06,960
you must send

576
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:07,960
something out.

577
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:08,960
Some people have,

578
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:09,960
I think Kathleen James

579
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:10,960
in Manchester

580
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:11,960
said,

581
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:12,960
some districts

582
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:13,960
are the size

583
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:14,960
of a few city blocks.

584
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:15,960
Some are about

585
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:16,960
192 square miles

586
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:17,960
and you try

587
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:18,960
and get

588
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:19,960
what you can get.

589
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,220
So that's something

590
00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:22,220
that I think

591
00:20:22,220 --> 00:20:23,220
you can always

592
00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:24,220
do a better job

593
00:20:24,220 --> 00:20:25,220
of letting people

594
00:20:25,220 --> 00:20:26,220
know where you'll be.

595
00:20:26,220 --> 00:20:27,220
But it's important

596
00:20:27,220 --> 00:20:28,220
to be out there

597
00:20:28,220 --> 00:20:29,250
and it is,

598
00:20:29,250 --> 00:20:30,250
I think in fact,

599
00:20:30,250 --> 00:20:31,250
they come into

600
00:20:31,250 --> 00:20:32,250
slugboard meetings

601
00:20:32,250 --> 00:20:33,250
another way

602
00:20:33,250 --> 00:20:34,250
of just hearing

603
00:20:34,250 --> 00:20:37,490
from people,

604
00:20:37,490 --> 00:20:39,130
talking and hearing

605
00:20:39,130 --> 00:20:40,130
and listening

606
00:20:40,130 --> 00:20:41,130
is the part

607
00:20:41,130 --> 00:20:42,130
that legislators

608
00:20:42,130 --> 00:20:43,130
need to be more

609
00:20:43,130 --> 00:20:44,130
willing to do.

610
00:20:44,130 --> 00:20:45,130
So,

611
00:20:45,130 --> 00:20:46,130
one of the largest

612
00:20:46,130 --> 00:20:47,130
items on our

613
00:20:47,130 --> 00:20:48,130
school budget

614
00:20:48,130 --> 00:20:49,130
is the healthcare

615
00:20:49,130 --> 00:20:50,130
insurance.

616
00:20:50,130 --> 00:20:51,130
And I'm wondering

617
00:20:51,130 --> 00:20:52,130
what the legislature

618
00:20:52,130 --> 00:20:53,130
is doing

619
00:20:53,130 --> 00:20:54,130
to try and tackle

620
00:20:54,130 --> 00:20:55,130
that.

621
00:20:55,130 --> 00:20:56,130
Get to the root cause

622
00:20:56,130 --> 00:20:57,130
of it and tackle it.

623
00:20:57,130 --> 00:20:58,130
Yeah,

624
00:20:58,130 --> 00:20:59,130
so I think

625
00:20:59,130 --> 00:21:00,130
from us,

626
00:21:00,130 --> 00:21:01,130
healthcare premiums

627
00:21:01,130 --> 00:21:02,130
are the highest

628
00:21:02,130 --> 00:21:03,130
in the country.

629
00:21:03,130 --> 00:21:04,130
It's $8.50 a month

630
00:21:04,130 --> 00:21:05,130
I think is what

631
00:21:05,130 --> 00:21:06,130
our number is.

632
00:21:06,130 --> 00:21:07,130
And then if you live

633
00:21:07,130 --> 00:21:08,130
in New Hampshire

634
00:21:08,130 --> 00:21:09,130
it's like a third

635
00:21:09,130 --> 00:21:10,130
of that,

636
00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:11,130
if that at all.

637
00:21:11,130 --> 00:21:12,130
So,

638
00:21:12,130 --> 00:21:13,130
we're trying

639
00:21:13,130 --> 00:21:14,130
to figure out

640
00:21:14,130 --> 00:21:15,130
how do we move

641
00:21:15,130 --> 00:21:16,130
off of numbers

642
00:21:16,130 --> 00:21:17,220
that are not affordable

643
00:21:17,220 --> 00:21:18,220
for people.

644
00:21:18,220 --> 00:21:19,220
And my guess

645
00:21:19,220 --> 00:21:20,220
is that

646
00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:21,220
we'll be focusing

647
00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:22,220
a lot on this

648
00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:23,220
in the healthcare

649
00:21:23,220 --> 00:21:24,220
committee and then

650
00:21:24,220 --> 00:21:25,220
the legislature

651
00:21:25,220 --> 00:21:26,220
at large.

652
00:21:26,220 --> 00:21:27,220
It's impacting

653
00:21:27,220 --> 00:21:28,220
our school budget,

654
00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:29,220
it's impacting

655
00:21:29,220 --> 00:21:30,220
household incomes.

656
00:21:30,220 --> 00:21:31,220
Every employer

657
00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:32,220
is straining under it.

658
00:21:32,220 --> 00:21:33,220
So,

659
00:21:33,220 --> 00:21:34,220
I don't know

660
00:21:34,220 --> 00:21:35,220
where that came from.

661
00:21:35,220 --> 00:21:36,220
I have no idea

662
00:21:36,220 --> 00:21:37,220
why it is

663
00:21:37,220 --> 00:21:38,220
the way that it is.

664
00:21:38,220 --> 00:21:39,220
But it looks like

665
00:21:39,220 --> 00:21:40,220
we've been very

666
00:21:40,220 --> 00:21:41,220
empowered

667
00:21:41,220 --> 00:21:42,220
in Green Mountain

668
00:21:42,220 --> 00:21:43,220
Care Board

669
00:21:43,220 --> 00:21:44,220
it's a teaching

670
00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:45,220
hospital.

671
00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:46,220
Teaching hospitals

672
00:21:46,220 --> 00:21:47,220
cost

673
00:21:47,220 --> 00:21:48,220
the public

674
00:21:48,220 --> 00:21:49,220
more

675
00:21:49,220 --> 00:21:50,220
because they have

676
00:21:50,220 --> 00:21:51,289
to provide

677
00:21:51,289 --> 00:21:52,289
certain educational

678
00:21:52,289 --> 00:21:53,289
elements that

679
00:21:53,289 --> 00:21:54,319
broader hospitals

680
00:21:54,319 --> 00:21:55,319
do not.

681
00:21:55,319 --> 00:21:56,319
And so that

682
00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:57,319
in a small state

683
00:21:57,319 --> 00:21:58,319
we're doing that

684
00:21:58,319 --> 00:21:59,319
the wrong way.

685
00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:00,319
How big is the

686
00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:01,319
pharmaceutical lobby

687
00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:02,319
in the state?

688
00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:03,319
I mean how much

689
00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:04,319
pressure are they

690
00:22:04,319 --> 00:22:05,319
putting on

691
00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:06,319
to allow this

692
00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:07,960
to happen?

693
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:08,960
I mean there's

694
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:09,960
I think we

695
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:10,960
they don't seem

696
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,960
big but I think

697
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:12,960
good lobbies

698
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:13,960
good lobbyists

699
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:14,960
I don't hear

700
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,150
from them too often

701
00:22:16,150 --> 00:22:17,150
because my work

702
00:22:17,150 --> 00:22:18,150
is in commerce

703
00:22:18,150 --> 00:22:19,150
and economic

704
00:22:19,150 --> 00:22:20,150
development.

705
00:22:20,150 --> 00:22:21,150
So that's

706
00:22:21,150 --> 00:22:22,150
so I'm hearing

707
00:22:22,150 --> 00:22:23,150
from lobbyists

708
00:22:23,150 --> 00:22:24,150
who are affiliated

709
00:22:24,150 --> 00:22:25,539
with META

710
00:22:25,539 --> 00:22:26,539
and whatnot.

711
00:22:26,539 --> 00:22:27,539
I do think

712
00:22:27,539 --> 00:22:28,539
that you know

713
00:22:28,539 --> 00:22:29,539
the Vermont Association

714
00:22:29,539 --> 00:22:30,539
of Healthcare Systems

715
00:22:30,539 --> 00:22:31,539
VAAS

716
00:22:31,539 --> 00:22:32,569
the hospital

717
00:22:32,569 --> 00:22:33,569
sort of association

718
00:22:33,569 --> 00:22:34,569
they have a lobbyist

719
00:22:34,569 --> 00:22:35,700
we hear a lot

720
00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:36,700
from her.

721
00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:37,700
I think that

722
00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:38,700
where we tried

723
00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:39,700
to implement

724
00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:40,700
reference based

725
00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:41,700
pricing

726
00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:42,700
which was

727
00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:43,700
a way to rein in

728
00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:44,700
the quality

729
00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:54,759
of the healthcare system.

730
00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:55,759
And as you

731
00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:56,759
know

732
00:22:56,759 --> 00:22:57,759
we do have

733
00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:00,619
a lot of

734
00:23:00,619 --> 00:23:01,619
information

735
00:23:01,619 --> 00:23:02,619
that we can

736
00:23:02,619 --> 00:23:03,619
share with

737
00:23:03,619 --> 00:23:04,619
the public

738
00:23:04,619 --> 00:23:05,619
and we

739
00:23:05,619 --> 00:23:08,789
have a lot

740
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:10,980
of information

741
00:23:10,980 --> 00:23:11,980
that we can

742
00:23:11,980 --> 00:23:13,390
use

743
00:23:13,390 --> 00:23:14,390
and we

744
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:15,390
can use

745
00:23:15,390 --> 00:23:16,390
to help

746
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:17,390
the public

747
00:23:17,390 --> 00:23:18,390
understand

748
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:30,259
I haven't seen much about him, and I know you probably know your strengths, but I just think this is vice versa. I'd really like to know.

749
00:23:30,259 --> 00:23:36,880
What I know, so Charles Jewett is his name, but he lives in the wrong corner from me.

750
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,880
And so what I know about him mostly is just, I know what color car he's driving.

751
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:49,869
And, you know, I think that his campaign is his thing, and I've enjoyed talking to him.

752
00:23:49,869 --> 00:23:56,869
We walk, not quite together, but whenever you go to the Greensboro 4th of July parade, they put you in place.

753
00:23:56,869 --> 00:24:00,869
Hey Charlie, how are you doing?

754
00:24:00,869 --> 00:24:04,869
So, you know, we've had some exchange pleasantries.

755
00:24:04,869 --> 00:24:10,869
And I think, you know, that his campaign is, I haven't spent a lot of time focusing on it.

756
00:24:10,869 --> 00:24:16,869
So I'm trying to talk a little about what I'm up to, what I look forward to doing, and why I love this work.

757
00:24:16,869 --> 00:24:19,869
I'm not trying to make this into a softball where I just talk about me more.

758
00:24:19,869 --> 00:24:22,869
Because your question about Charlie, I just don't know much about.

759
00:24:22,869 --> 00:24:28,869
I mean, normally candidates know their strengths over another person.

760
00:24:28,869 --> 00:24:36,869
I'm just curious, because I haven't been able to find much about him, so you as a candidate should know.

761
00:24:36,869 --> 00:24:45,859
I don't know, to be honest, some candidates really take care of their campaigning in a very personal way.

762
00:24:45,859 --> 00:24:50,890
They may be doing all the door knocking in the world, and you wouldn't know because they're not knocking on your door.

763
00:24:50,890 --> 00:24:53,890
That's because they're afraid to go to a restaurant.

764
00:24:53,890 --> 00:24:55,890
Take it out.

765
00:24:58,019 --> 00:25:04,720
I think it is important to let Mr. Jewett speak for his own campaign.

766
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,720
But I know that it's hard to do. It feels odd going to strangers' houses.

767
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,720
But if it feels weird going to their houses, it's going to feel weird.

768
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,720
How are you going to be able to advocate for people around people that you don't know in Montpelier?

769
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,720
And that was something that I challenged myself with.

770
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,720
I felt like I was back in the Boy Scouts doing the campaign.

771
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,720
I'm driving first, just scared to go up to the doors and knock.

772
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,720
But you get used to it.

773
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:31,720
Any time it's your first campaign, I think it is in Mr. Jewett's first campaign, you have to get out of that phase.

774
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,720
And that is a phase.

775
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,630
I have one more comment.

776
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:41,630
So I was on the Select Board.

777
00:25:41,630 --> 00:25:43,630
I'm now on the Planning Commission.

778
00:25:43,630 --> 00:25:50,630
And right now I'm thinking, just because it's easy and I can bring it up, of Act 181.

779
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:53,779
I honestly actually think...

780
00:25:54,779 --> 00:25:59,779
From what I've seen from you since you've been involved in politics,

781
00:25:59,779 --> 00:26:02,779
I feel like you are a great listener.

782
00:26:02,779 --> 00:26:12,779
And I feel like you truly want to do what's right for your constituents, for the people of the area.

783
00:26:12,779 --> 00:26:16,420
But I have to tell you that...

784
00:26:16,420 --> 00:26:19,420
And I'm going to use this word, but I don't...

785
00:26:19,420 --> 00:26:21,420
Don't say it. We can't say that.

786
00:26:21,420 --> 00:26:23,420
It's probably not the right word.

787
00:26:23,420 --> 00:26:24,420
But I'm a little...

788
00:26:25,420 --> 00:26:29,549
I'm a little alarmed by what I'm seeing.

789
00:26:29,549 --> 00:26:33,549
And Act 181 would be a good example of it.

790
00:26:33,549 --> 00:26:40,650
The push for building new homes.

791
00:26:40,650 --> 00:26:44,650
The Regional Planning Commissions.

792
00:26:44,650 --> 00:26:53,839
Because it appears that there is a big disconnect between the Regional Planning Commissions

793
00:26:53,839 --> 00:27:02,019
and the people who are making these rules and changes.

794
00:27:02,019 --> 00:27:04,019
And the people.

795
00:27:04,019 --> 00:27:08,569
And I feel like...

796
00:27:08,569 --> 00:27:14,700
I feel like the distance between the people, us,

797
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:18,700
and these larger Regional Planning Commissions

798
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:23,730
and people who are making big changes that have all kinds of fallout,

799
00:27:23,730 --> 00:27:24,730
it's not good.

800
00:27:24,730 --> 00:27:28,730
I feel like people feel like they are not being listened to.

801
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:30,730
And they are not being understood.

802
00:27:30,730 --> 00:27:32,730
They're not being included.

803
00:27:32,730 --> 00:27:34,730
Well, that's the thing with government.

804
00:27:34,730 --> 00:27:37,730
It's supposed to be for the weak, not the strong.

805
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:38,730
Right.

806
00:27:38,730 --> 00:27:41,730
And when we are, what, 800 residents?

807
00:27:41,730 --> 00:27:42,730
Yeah.

808
00:27:42,730 --> 00:27:46,819
And if you ask the legislators if they know where Stanford, Vermont is,

809
00:27:46,819 --> 00:27:50,819
they probably will still say, yeah, but I don't think they have any money in there.

810
00:27:50,819 --> 00:27:52,819
And that's the thing.

811
00:27:52,819 --> 00:27:54,819
They represent those big...

812
00:27:54,819 --> 00:27:55,819
It's all about votes.

813
00:27:55,819 --> 00:27:59,819
You know, we talk about health care and insurances and all that.

814
00:27:59,819 --> 00:28:00,819
It's all about votes.

815
00:28:00,819 --> 00:28:03,819
You want to get rid of all these problems, you get rid of the lobbyists,

816
00:28:03,819 --> 00:28:05,819
and you get rid of all your problems.

817
00:28:05,819 --> 00:28:06,819
That's your biggest problem right there.

818
00:28:06,819 --> 00:28:09,819
But, you know, Pam's right.

819
00:28:09,819 --> 00:28:10,819
You're both right.

820
00:28:10,819 --> 00:28:17,819
I mean, we have your representative and what Burlington has for representatives.

821
00:28:17,819 --> 00:28:20,819
So, Burlington is going to vote.

822
00:28:20,819 --> 00:28:21,819
Yeah.

823
00:28:21,819 --> 00:28:23,819
And here we send up Jonathan.

824
00:28:23,819 --> 00:28:24,819
I disagree.

825
00:28:24,819 --> 00:28:25,819
It's going to be very...

826
00:28:25,819 --> 00:28:26,819
It's like that math with Watts and Berkley County.

827
00:28:26,819 --> 00:28:27,819
But the thing is, you know, of course you know this.

828
00:28:27,819 --> 00:28:28,819
You're here to represent us.

829
00:28:28,819 --> 00:28:29,819
You're here to listen to us.

830
00:28:29,819 --> 00:28:30,819
You're here to represent us.

831
00:28:30,819 --> 00:28:45,819
And there can't be such a big disconnect between what the government and large regions of

832
00:28:45,819 --> 00:28:48,819
the country have to do with this.

833
00:28:48,819 --> 00:28:49,819
Right.

834
00:28:49,819 --> 00:28:56,819
And what the government and large regional planning commissions think their duty is

835
00:28:56,819 --> 00:28:57,819
and the people on the ground.

836
00:28:57,819 --> 00:29:04,920
And so, you know, you need to find a way to try to bridge that because we shouldn't be

837
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:17,039
surprised and taken aback and upset or whatever about things that are happening.

838
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:18,359
That also applies with the state.

839
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:19,359
Right.

840
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:20,359
Right.

841
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:22,359
That also applies with the state education supervisory districts that they're planning

842
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:23,359
too.

843
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:24,359
These giant districts where we're going to be some tiny little voice out in Brattleboro

844
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:25,359
somewhere and they got all these big wigs out in Brattleboro.

845
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:26,359
We'll be nobody.

846
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:27,359
So, we won't have much of a say when that happens.

847
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:28,359
I'll try to respond to kind of both of those.

848
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:29,359
They're similar.

849
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:30,359
That's why I wanted to throw that in.

850
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:31,359
I think that it is...

851
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:32,359
You know, we have this experience that we've had just going back 30 years to when the

852
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:33,359
Brigham decision under the Montefiore Court ruled that we were not going to be able to

853
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:34,359
vote.

854
00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:35,359
Right.

855
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:36,359
Right.

856
00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:37,359
Right.

857
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:38,359
Right.

858
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:39,359
Right.

859
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:40,359
Right.

860
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:41,359
Right.

861
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:42,359
Right.

862
00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:43,359
Right.

863
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:44,359
Right.

864
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:45,359
Right.

865
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:46,359
Right.

866
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:47,359
Right.

867
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:52,359
I mean, that is, I think, one of the reasons it is such a great question, is when the

868
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:53,359
Brigham decision on the Montefiore Court ruled that you can't just let towns decide themselves

869
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:54,359
with their school budgets.

870
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:55,359
There was...

871
00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:56,359
I mean, that's a pretty big hit on the concept of local control.

872
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:57,359
And we had to create this whole new system that almost nobody can understand that costs

873
00:29:57,359 --> 00:29:58,359
of fortune, that people can't really feel that they're getting good and clear answers

874
00:29:58,359 --> 00:29:59,359
on, also that we could meet the constitutional imperative to provide equal opportunities to

875
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:04,519
access education, but it could be that people don't have the opportunity to go to school

876
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:13,519
during which time, because there was no access to housing or any other services in the county.

877
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:14,519
Right.

878
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:15,519
Right.

879
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:16,519
Right.

880
00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:17,650
Right.

881
00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:20,250
But the math hasn't gotten any better.

882
00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:21,089
It's not the-

883
00:30:21,089 --> 00:30:22,690
You mean the P.L. Brigham?

884
00:30:22,690 --> 00:30:25,410
That's one of those, is it right for the decision?

885
00:30:25,410 --> 00:30:27,710
You know, the point was just that,

886
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:29,809
if you look at 1996, the year before Brigham,

887
00:30:29,809 --> 00:30:33,970
the five highest spending districts

888
00:30:33,970 --> 00:30:35,869
and the five lowest spending districts

889
00:30:35,869 --> 00:30:39,670
was a little closer, just a little closer than it is now.

890
00:30:39,670 --> 00:30:41,329
It's gotten a little bit worse.

891
00:30:41,329 --> 00:30:43,069
Even adding in this whole system

892
00:30:43,069 --> 00:30:45,430
is meant to make things more equal.

893
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:48,930
Part of that bridge building that you mentioned,

894
00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:50,369
as just for full transparency,

895
00:30:50,369 --> 00:30:51,990
I work at a regional planning commission.

896
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:54,890
I've been at the BCRC now for just over 10 years.

897
00:30:55,769 --> 00:30:58,210
And it's been a weird time for regional planning commissions.

898
00:30:58,210 --> 00:31:00,289
We're not used to being in the paper.

899
00:31:00,289 --> 00:31:02,710
We're not used to having people be mad at us.

900
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:04,789
What we're used to doing is going to meetings

901
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:06,869
and talking to people about the things

902
00:31:06,869 --> 00:31:08,109
that the meeting is about.

903
00:31:08,109 --> 00:31:10,130
And listening to people tell us about what they want

904
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:11,849
for the future of their towns.

905
00:31:11,849 --> 00:31:13,970
And trying to get it right and square it

906
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:15,430
with whatever the state statute is.

907
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:16,910
And what the conditions are.

908
00:31:16,910 --> 00:31:20,130
And not everybody always has the best user experience.

909
00:31:20,130 --> 00:31:22,150
One of the challenges with Act 181

910
00:31:22,150 --> 00:31:23,930
was that it meant a whole new way

911
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:26,279
of thinking about Act 250.

912
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:28,839
And it really did mean a lot of signature,

913
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:31,420
what you might call keystone legislation.

914
00:31:31,420 --> 00:31:33,440
You're gonna have to figure it out as you're going along.

915
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,420
Because some things didn't get fixed

916
00:31:35,420 --> 00:31:39,559
or addressed on the first passing statute

917
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:41,779
because the legislators that are making these laws

918
00:31:41,779 --> 00:31:44,039
are not the planners who are doing the planning.

919
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:45,880
So some stuff gets missed.

920
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:57,200
Not every shop in the state interpreted one and one the same way, and that is the exact kind of inconsistency that we need to avoid.

921
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:03,200
One really kind of quick history lesson, because I love planning. It's what I chose to do with my career.

922
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,200
One guy I know, a bunch of years ago in New York, Robert Moses, was the most powerful man in New York City.

923
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:15,200
He was a planner, and he kind of got himself onto all of these boards, panels, unelected positions where he could just do what he wanted.

924
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:24,200
And one of the things that he wanted to do was to ensure that certain people in New York City could get to the swimming pools, and certain other people couldn't.

925
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,200
They'd be right next door, but they'd know that road, that street dead ends there.

926
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:34,200
There's no, so now kids have to walk four miles to get around to a pool that's less than a half a mile away from the Kerr Plus.

927
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:41,029
Our profession was ashamed of that manipulation of public power and betrayal of public trust.

928
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:43,029
Because everybody was paying in for those pools.

929
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:46,029
So, over the years, I think that's what we've done.

930
00:32:46,029 --> 00:32:50,190
I think planning has attempted to be very engaging.

931
00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:52,190
Really focused on public input.

932
00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:54,190
Attempting to bring on public input.

933
00:32:54,190 --> 00:32:57,190
But it's hard to ask people to come to New York.

934
00:32:57,190 --> 00:33:00,220
We're supposed to be having dinner, which we're supposed to be having.

935
00:33:00,220 --> 00:33:01,220
And sit in chairs.

936
00:33:01,220 --> 00:33:03,220
Maybe not the most comfortable chairs in the world.

937
00:33:03,220 --> 00:33:06,220
And talk about what they want to see here, there, everywhere.

938
00:33:06,220 --> 00:33:09,220
Maybe it's just leave us alone, is what we want to see.

939
00:33:09,220 --> 00:33:13,220
That tension, I think, will often be there.

940
00:33:13,220 --> 00:33:15,609
I mean, we got, I think, 900 kids.

941
00:33:15,609 --> 00:33:19,829
To participate in the Bennington Town Plan.

942
00:33:19,829 --> 00:33:22,150
But what they want to see in Bennington.

943
00:33:22,150 --> 00:33:23,150
Their own town.

944
00:33:23,150 --> 00:33:25,150
In 50 years.

945
00:33:25,150 --> 00:33:26,150
It was really exciting.

946
00:33:26,150 --> 00:33:28,150
It's hard to replicate that everywhere.

947
00:33:28,150 --> 00:33:31,150
You end up gravitating towards your biggest population centers.

948
00:33:31,150 --> 00:33:34,569
But the obligation is to the entire region.

949
00:33:34,569 --> 00:33:40,859
So, I think the legislature will be taking a pretty close look at how this rolled out.

950
00:33:40,859 --> 00:33:45,859
The process in which a regional plan is adopted requires approval by a new body.

951
00:33:45,859 --> 00:33:47,859
The legislature view board.

952
00:33:47,859 --> 00:33:49,859
One entity that submitted a regional plan.

953
00:33:49,859 --> 00:33:55,859
And the legislature view board sent a pretty strong letter back that they thought it was not worthy to be.

954
00:33:55,859 --> 00:33:59,859
So that system is looking out for people at that local level.

955
00:33:59,859 --> 00:34:11,949
And the last point I'll make is that right around now, fingers crossed, the Bennington County Regional Plan is being adopted by the commissioners in Arlington.

956
00:34:11,949 --> 00:34:13,949
Which would be a good thing to see.

957
00:34:13,949 --> 00:34:15,949
Because that was a lot of work.

958
00:34:15,949 --> 00:34:20,949
And I'd love it if it sailed on to its next destination with the legislature view board.

959
00:34:20,949 --> 00:34:21,949
Anyhow.

960
00:34:21,949 --> 00:34:22,980
That's.

961
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:24,980
One other thing too.

962
00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:26,980
That's going to affect a lot of towns.

963
00:34:26,980 --> 00:34:34,980
Is the mandate that the towns are going to have to reappraise every six year cycle.

964
00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:38,980
Who's going to do the reappraisal?

965
00:34:38,980 --> 00:34:41,980
I mean, we've scheduled one.

966
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:43,980
And just an estimate.

967
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:44,980
For the one.

968
00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:48,980
Coming up in 2032.

969
00:34:48,980 --> 00:34:49,980
Less.

970
00:34:49,980 --> 00:34:51,980
A little bit less than $100,000.

971
00:34:51,980 --> 00:34:55,829
How are the towns going to afford this?

972
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:56,829
Because that is.

973
00:34:56,829 --> 00:34:58,340
You've got to do it every six years.

974
00:34:58,340 --> 00:34:59,340
And now it's.

975
00:34:59,340 --> 00:35:00,340
It's the state again.

976
00:35:00,340 --> 00:35:01,340
The state mandate.

977
00:35:01,340 --> 00:35:02,340
You've got to do it.

978
00:35:02,340 --> 00:35:03,340
Well.

979
00:35:03,340 --> 00:35:04,340
How are we going to do it?

980
00:35:04,340 --> 00:35:05,340
All right.

981
00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:06,340
So I think that that is.

982
00:35:06,340 --> 00:35:10,340
The state has an obligation to help figure that out somehow.

983
00:35:10,340 --> 00:35:12,340
And so that's something else we should be sure we talk about.

984
00:35:12,340 --> 00:35:14,340
To give clarity to towns.

985
00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:16,500
To our smaller towns.

986
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:17,500
Here's how this is done.

987
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:19,460
I'm going to bring it back.

988
00:35:19,460 --> 00:35:20,460
As it is right now.

989
00:35:20,460 --> 00:35:21,909
It seems like that's.

990
00:35:21,909 --> 00:35:22,980
Too much.

991
00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:23,980
A little too long.

992
00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:24,980
I had that conversation.

993
00:35:24,980 --> 00:35:25,980
And.

994
00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:26,980
With a.

995
00:35:26,980 --> 00:35:28,780
With a person.

996
00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:29,780
Who's your.

997
00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:30,780
Transportation planner there.

998
00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:31,780
Mark.

999
00:35:31,780 --> 00:35:32,780
Mark.

1000
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:33,780
So.

1001
00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:34,780
The conversation.

1002
00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:35,780
Was just.

1003
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:36,780
Just about that.

1004
00:35:36,780 --> 00:35:37,780
And we were talking about taxes and stuff like that.

1005
00:35:37,780 --> 00:35:38,780
Can't.

1006
00:35:38,780 --> 00:35:39,780
The regional commission.

1007
00:35:39,780 --> 00:35:40,780
Because of that.

1008
00:35:40,780 --> 00:35:42,030
Not being able to afford.

1009
00:35:42,030 --> 00:35:43,030
Reappraisal every six years.

1010
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:44,030
Because.

1011
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:45,030
You know.

1012
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:46,030
You know.

1013
00:35:46,030 --> 00:35:47,030
You know.

1014
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:48,030
You know.

1015
00:35:48,030 --> 00:35:49,030
You know.

1016
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:50,739
They don't have the right to pay.

1017
00:35:50,739 --> 00:35:51,739
Every six years.

1018
00:35:51,739 --> 00:35:52,739
Could that be.

1019
00:35:52,739 --> 00:35:53,739
Treated.

1020
00:35:53,739 --> 00:35:54,739
Sort of.

1021
00:35:54,739 --> 00:35:55,739
Like the.

1022
00:35:55,739 --> 00:35:56,739
Town plan.

1023
00:35:56,739 --> 00:35:57,860
And the bylaws.

1024
00:35:57,860 --> 00:35:58,860
With the.

1025
00:35:58,860 --> 00:35:59,860
You know.

1026
00:35:59,860 --> 00:36:00,860
Being able to get a grant.

1027
00:36:00,860 --> 00:36:01,860
To do that.

1028
00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:02,860
That's my first question.

1029
00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:03,860
I'm glad you got it.

1030
00:36:03,860 --> 00:36:04,860
Okay.

1031
00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:05,860
Let me.

1032
00:36:05,860 --> 00:36:06,860
Let me.

1033
00:36:06,860 --> 00:36:07,860
Subject.

1034
00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:08,860
Question.

1035
00:36:08,860 --> 00:36:09,860
It's speaking it.

1036
00:36:09,860 --> 00:36:10,860
On grants and stuff.

1037
00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:11,860
We had had a conversation.

1038
00:36:11,860 --> 00:36:12,860
A couple.

1039
00:36:12,860 --> 00:36:13,860
A few times about.

1040
00:36:13,860 --> 00:36:14,860
Playground equipment.

1041
00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:16,409
And stuff.

1042
00:36:16,409 --> 00:36:17,409
Yes.

1043
00:36:17,409 --> 00:36:18,409
And I know.

1044
00:36:18,409 --> 00:36:19,409
You know.

1045
00:36:19,409 --> 00:36:30,079
or something yeah it's um so that's where we're at here and i know our principal here is interested

1046
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:34,719
in what you have to say so i'll start with that last part we'll talk um the building communities

1047
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:40,159
grants uh educational facilities grant um there's a deadline coming for that regional planning

1048
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:44,800
commission can assist with an application it's dollar per dollar at the twenty five thousand

1049
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:52,639
dollars uh of course that's an eligible expenditure um so i'd be happy to in my

1050
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:59,440
professional day job role grab that conversation um put something together in the next two weeks

1051
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:05,039
um that would be ahead of the application right the previous thing that you mentioned around

1052
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:09,679
the appraisal the regionalization is kind of something that the legislature is very much

1053
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:14,559
thinking about there was a task force that was just to examine how that would look that was again

1054
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:20,800
part of that government operations um committee uh the house and senate um you know elections

1055
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,639
have consequences the 2024 elections saw a lot of turnover and some of the people that were

1056
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:28,639
spearheading that we're going to point it to one that we're going to that office so we just that

1057
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:34,260
kind of needed to take a break for a second but that's still something that's been exactly

1058
00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:40,099
examined consistently over the years as you don't want to do these things impulsively you want to

1059
00:37:40,099 --> 00:37:44,739
take your time but that is something i think that people are talking about is regionalization in

1060
00:37:44,739 --> 00:37:51,460
an area where proposals can become soften that give a bigger bite of business to one entity that

1061
00:37:51,460 --> 00:37:56,619
can then handle it at a larger rate i expect that those conversations will pick back up a little more

1062
00:37:56,619 --> 00:38:01,650
honestly after this this new election because i think some of the people that are expected to be

1063
00:38:01,650 --> 00:38:05,969
in leadership positions in those communities are people that really care about that and have the

1064
00:38:05,969 --> 00:38:13,630
energy to sort of keep those task force meetings you know on on track any other questions for

1065
00:38:14,269 --> 00:38:15,469
representative cooper

1066
00:38:17,230 --> 00:38:24,670
i'll stick around for a while and people want to chat and yeah thank you

1067
00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:47,010
i'm here uh regarding the green top and hometown hero i would like to

1068
00:38:48,190 --> 00:38:54,510
just make a statement about getting veterans banners put up in our town they're all over

1069
00:38:54,510 --> 00:39:00,260
southern vermont they're in reedboro powell harlington shattsbury these are the rules

1070
00:39:00,260 --> 00:39:09,599
and regulations the town will have no expense in this at all this is all put on these sponsor

1071
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:17,869
the person purchasing this fan and it may take over a year to get this done i'm willing to

1072
00:39:17,869 --> 00:39:30,659
Take people's orders. I do have the application that someone wants it. I'm basically looking for permission from you. Do you have a word that's working with you? All right. Go hard.

1073
00:39:30,659 --> 00:39:44,460
I've been reading about it now. Yeah, I have 1 question 1 question on the power company that's doubled up down here. I'm wondering to hold up today. We're talking about it.

1074
00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:58,420
If you can't do it, well, I've seen a couple of American flags go up and everything. I've actually emailed the, uh, 1 of the, uh, hold things up down there in support of this.

1075
00:39:58,420 --> 00:40:17,820
Well, my last page here is the email and they said any requests have to come from the select board. Okay. Okay. So you have a group that's gonna put them up and take you down. I don't know. I don't know that.

1076
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:19,880
Other than.

1077
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:42,280
That I support it 100%. I'm just even if they said no, and I just as a board member, we can't give you the permission to break the law. Okay. But, uh, but I'm saying as a person, I support 100% and I'd love to see it go up, but I don't feel that Green Mountain is going to hold you up.

1078
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:49,480
But if we need to request something, let us know. Yeah.

1079
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:49,840
Well,

1080
00:40:49,900 --> 00:41:03,940
I think they, they say that, and it may be for insurance purposes. I don't know. But we put our American flags up on every year reasonable as done. And, uh, same thing with Massachusetts.

1081
00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:19,829
They've been doing an all word list. I think it's a great idea. Um, I don't see any negative at all to it. So I have no problem doing, you know, go ahead and discuss this and get back to me. I mean, I'm not, you know, I, I don't expect an answer right now.

1082
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:20,929
But If I

1083
00:41:20,949 --> 00:41:30,940
You know, once if I get a green light from moving forward and my, the other concern I had regarding this is making sure people are aware that this is going to be happening, you know, would be the program and that was that was called them on Facebook.

1084
00:41:33,139 --> 00:41:34,699
Yeah, and a lot of people, I guess they had over 100 applications now to add to them.

1085
00:41:34,699 --> 00:41:35,659
Yes, it's, it's awesome, you know.

1086
00:41:36,179 --> 00:41:44,699
I certainly, you know, I agree that there was going to be more, because the reason if, uh, the the residents came in, all right.

1087
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:48,400
You know, if Kadie and cinco are on board and we can everybody should vote and they should vote on our fault.

1088
00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:48,920
Yeah.

1089
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:49,480
I know that, you know.

1090
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:49,980
Oh, yes.

1091
00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:50,260
Yeah.

1092
00:41:50,260 --> 00:41:50,599
You have to ask for it.

1093
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:50,659
they didn't vote.

1094
00:41:50,659 --> 00:41:50,699
Yep.

1095
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:57,679
i really want to make sure that no one is left behind or unaware and do we have a representative

1096
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:04,079
in southern i would say i know we do in southern vermont in stanford we don't know no uh for uh

1097
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:09,360
veterans not right i know we know about it no they don't anymore okay

1098
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:24,079
he's not supposed to come into vermont but he talks to vermont yeah okay there's a veterans

1099
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:29,519
affair in benedictine okay yeah because my my uncle pad got here he's really involved

1100
00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:37,889
if we needed to get some guidance i'm sure they would be able to uh representative cooper do you

1101
00:42:37,889 --> 00:42:39,250
know anything about the

1102
00:42:39,489 --> 00:42:44,130
hometown veteran banners can they be put on the state highways

1103
00:42:44,130 --> 00:42:48,050
that was what i was told years ago years ago but i don't know

1104
00:42:50,849 --> 00:42:57,409
they're in bennington in the town yep and they're on and they're up on route seven in palma like

1105
00:42:57,409 --> 00:43:01,409
just if you're if you're not in the center of palma you can still see some a little farther

1106
00:43:01,409 --> 00:43:07,010
up i believe is that on the state highway yeah i think i have that right first we think that

1107
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:09,409
they're just doing it and i don't think

1108
00:43:09,489 --> 00:43:13,170
power companies could come and get them down i didn't know if the saint was going to take them

1109
00:43:13,170 --> 00:43:19,570
down if they're on the state highway and i don't know i don't i just you know i i just need to

1110
00:43:20,869 --> 00:43:25,269
i say go ahead and look into it more i would have no problem with doing that

1111
00:43:25,269 --> 00:43:28,389
to request it let us know what we have to do

1112
00:43:30,389 --> 00:43:34,389
the letter and we can at least we can go forward with that i'll just drop in the line

1113
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:38,230
when is it possible a way to put it on like a

1114
00:43:39,590 --> 00:43:50,900
or

1115
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:57,219
fill so i can go ahead and proceed to you know it's going to take well over a year oh definitely

1116
00:43:58,019 --> 00:44:01,860
yeah i would say as long as there's no law being broken i can do 100

1117
00:44:03,489 --> 00:44:09,539
i think the first thing we have to do is write to green mountain power get their permission um i just

1118
00:44:10,099 --> 00:44:18,179
make a comment i know that denise sahay has been looking yes okay very good thank you so uh

1119
00:44:19,139 --> 00:44:23,059
if we have lori right to green mountain power and say we'd like to

1120
00:44:23,780 --> 00:44:27,780
proceed with this program do we have your permission to put them on

1121
00:44:29,619 --> 00:44:35,619
as it's done in other towns along other highways and i don't know if they're putting new polls from

1122
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:37,940
cluff road down to here

1123
00:44:40,099 --> 00:44:45,460
this will be i know nancy said that there was a motor list of veterans from the dinner we had

1124
00:44:45,460 --> 00:44:53,760
and i think it's more of a cemetery commission members that are deceased that were our parents

1125
00:44:53,760 --> 00:45:01,920
generation that their kids made right we did have you're doing uh all veterans not just deceased

1126
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:09,840
right because we did have a a list of veterans uh dan poppet actually yeah that's right so you probably

1127
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:18,079
will get some information what is the criteria what is the criteria they have to been living

1128
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:30,480
here when they enlisted or the application says what is your connection to the town went to school

1129
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:38,639
there lives there owns property was born there okay i did um i submitted dogs to clarksburg

1130
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:44,400
because that's his hometown but you could have it up here too he could sure but that was a lot more

1131
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:53,250
because the thing about getting it done was was in clark's birth but um my son i had some he's been

1132
00:45:53,250 --> 00:46:00,230
in the navy for 22 months so he's certainly going to get one yeah yeah if i can so i can go back and

1133
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,119
absolutely i don't see why not thank you

1134
00:46:05,429 --> 00:46:13,280
to green mountain power yeah thank you that's great i don't live here anymore this is important

1135
00:46:16,210 --> 00:46:22,599
i just wanted to do everything from what i understand too is now they're

1136
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:27,239
changing all the bowls they're still leaving the old one on they think they're part of the

1137
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:32,440
amount of nutrition side yeah so there would be a whole number of set of holes that could be used

1138
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,559
outside of that area

1139
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,639
those other poles are still owned by them

1140
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:43,639
i asked the guy the other day

1141
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:45,239
i had to go through my yard up there

1142
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,760
up there i had a few left holes in there to change for now

1143
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,659
I asked the guy at the Green Mountain,

1144
00:46:48,659 --> 00:46:49,500
what are you gonna do with them?

1145
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:51,579
He says, well, one would saw it down,

1146
00:46:51,579 --> 00:46:53,119
they'd have to come back and do something.

1147
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:55,000
We're made, okay, what are your comments?

1148
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,000
I would've had three, right?

1149
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,400
I would've had three, but they just

1150
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,760
got the time to move it off the road a little bit.

1151
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:06,429
So, you know, I think we have seven or nine

1152
00:47:06,429 --> 00:47:09,260
that go up to our house.

1153
00:47:09,260 --> 00:47:10,780
And Green Mountain Power owns them,

1154
00:47:10,780 --> 00:47:12,900
but we buy every single one of them.

1155
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:14,699
Right, of course you do, yeah.

1156
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,840
Yeah, we get to buy our full, too.

1157
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,840
Do we need your permission to put them on your phone?

1158
00:47:24,980 --> 00:47:26,960
Lori, do you have this?

1159
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,679
No, I'll put you on, Lori.

1160
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:37,219
I had six, but Kirk was here, so.

1161
00:47:37,219 --> 00:47:42,559
So I, anyways, I am here for every,

1162
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:46,300
I'll proceed on as circumstances allow.

1163
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:47,139
Thank you, thank you, Lori.

1164
00:47:47,139 --> 00:47:48,719
And people can get in touch with you

1165
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,719
with your phone number, you have your phone number public?

1166
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:52,460
Yeah.

1167
00:47:52,460 --> 00:47:53,300
Yeah.

1168
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:54,119
Yeah.

1169
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:56,690
Yeah.

1170
00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:57,659
Yeah.

1171
00:47:57,659 --> 00:47:59,320
So they would contact you directly?

1172
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,159
Yes, yes.

1173
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:01,000
Okay.

1174
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,489
Once I start, when we hear from Green Mountain Power,

1175
00:48:04,489 --> 00:48:06,289
I will go ahead and I've lost that,

1176
00:48:06,289 --> 00:48:08,769
I'm sorry, Lori, there's a patient,

1177
00:48:08,769 --> 00:48:10,989
there's supposed to be one with three patients.

1178
00:48:10,989 --> 00:48:12,070
Here, if you want to, okay.

1179
00:48:12,070 --> 00:48:12,909
I got it.

1180
00:48:12,909 --> 00:48:13,750
Here you go.

1181
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:16,849
Thank you.

1182
00:48:16,849 --> 00:48:17,670
Okay.

1183
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:18,510
Thank you.

1184
00:48:18,510 --> 00:48:19,349
Thank you so much.

1185
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:20,190
Thank you.

1186
00:48:20,190 --> 00:48:21,030
Thank you.

1187
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:21,869
Thank you.

1188
00:48:21,869 --> 00:48:24,309
Hi, Jean, again, again, just go say hi to Jean.

1189
00:48:25,090 --> 00:48:27,369
You're never getting out of here.

1190
00:48:27,369 --> 00:48:28,210
Yes, I am.

1191
00:48:28,210 --> 00:48:30,090
I don't live here anymore, I can leave.

1192
00:48:30,090 --> 00:48:33,150
All right, I'm good.

1193
00:48:33,150 --> 00:48:35,730
Any other visitors, comments from visitors?

1194
00:48:35,730 --> 00:48:36,570
Lisa, go on.

1195
00:48:36,570 --> 00:48:39,530
I just want to clarify, you just pointed out to me

1196
00:48:39,530 --> 00:48:43,769
in the minute 11 meeting, it did sound kind of like

1197
00:48:43,769 --> 00:48:46,849
the plan was just working on a municipal water system,

1198
00:48:46,849 --> 00:48:49,889
which we are not, we're really looking towards planning

1199
00:48:49,889 --> 00:48:52,050
with the eye on.

1200
00:48:52,050 --> 00:48:52,889
Not.

1201
00:48:52,889 --> 00:48:53,889
Right.

1202
00:48:53,889 --> 00:48:54,889
Exactly.

1203
00:48:55,090 --> 00:48:56,090
We're trying to say it nicely.

1204
00:48:56,090 --> 00:48:57,090
We understand.

1205
00:48:57,090 --> 00:48:59,090
We want to make sure that the meetings, the minutes,

1206
00:48:59,090 --> 00:49:01,090
don't sound like we're letting people.

1207
00:49:01,090 --> 00:49:03,090
People are working on that, but we're not.

1208
00:49:03,090 --> 00:49:05,090
Yeah, we don't want people to read the minutes

1209
00:49:05,090 --> 00:49:07,090
and think that we are doing something,

1210
00:49:07,090 --> 00:49:09,090
but we are not only not doing that,

1211
00:49:09,090 --> 00:49:14,090
we're actually doing the exact opposite of what this is.

1212
00:49:14,090 --> 00:49:16,090
So you are not working on municipal,

1213
00:49:16,090 --> 00:49:19,090
we're proactively trying to be standing around

1214
00:49:19,090 --> 00:49:22,090
with conservation and .

1215
00:49:22,090 --> 00:49:24,090
Protecting water sources.

1216
00:49:24,090 --> 00:49:25,090
Yeah.

1217
00:49:25,090 --> 00:49:26,090
No, we're not.

1218
00:49:26,090 --> 00:49:27,090
No, we're not.

1219
00:49:27,090 --> 00:49:28,090
Oh, yes.

1220
00:49:28,090 --> 00:49:29,090
Okay, go on.

1221
00:49:29,090 --> 00:49:30,090
It says the planning commission is interested

1222
00:49:30,090 --> 00:49:33,090
in preserving water sources in the town

1223
00:49:33,090 --> 00:49:38,090
while working into a municipal water system

1224
00:49:38,090 --> 00:49:39,090
for the summer.

1225
00:49:39,090 --> 00:49:40,090
I do too.

1226
00:49:40,090 --> 00:49:41,090
That's what I was saying.

1227
00:49:41,090 --> 00:49:42,090
Yeah.

1228
00:49:42,090 --> 00:49:43,090
That's for the other commission.

1229
00:49:43,090 --> 00:49:47,090
We had a meeting where we did speak about that,

1230
00:49:47,090 --> 00:49:51,090
a planning commission meeting, but it's that.

1231
00:49:51,090 --> 00:49:54,090
It's more to gather information,

1232
00:49:54,090 --> 00:49:56,090
but when I read those minutes,

1233
00:49:56,090 --> 00:49:59,090
I was just like, hey, that's the exact opposite

1234
00:49:59,090 --> 00:50:00,090
of what we're doing right now.

1235
00:50:00,090 --> 00:50:02,090
So the planning commission is not.

1236
00:50:02,090 --> 00:50:03,090
It is not.

1237
00:50:03,090 --> 00:50:06,090
Actively looking into municipal water

1238
00:50:06,090 --> 00:50:08,090
and septic system at this time.

1239
00:50:08,090 --> 00:50:09,090
We are absolutely not.

1240
00:50:09,090 --> 00:50:10,090
For any part of that.

1241
00:50:10,090 --> 00:50:12,090
And in fact, when we get into it,

1242
00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:15,090
because my father-in-law is on the select board

1243
00:50:15,090 --> 00:50:17,090
in Miami, he can't really get any more information.

1244
00:50:17,090 --> 00:50:19,090
The more I look at the figures,

1245
00:50:19,090 --> 00:50:23,090
the more I think we're definitely deviating away from that.

1246
00:50:23,090 --> 00:50:28,090
So we're looking back to preserve the water sources

1247
00:50:28,090 --> 00:50:30,090
so that we never have to go down.

1248
00:50:30,090 --> 00:50:33,090
You do know this is going to come up next meeting now.

1249
00:50:33,090 --> 00:50:34,630
Which meeting?

1250
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:36,630
The select board meeting.

1251
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:37,630
Yes.

1252
00:50:37,630 --> 00:50:38,630
Probably.

1253
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:39,630
Yes.

1254
00:50:39,630 --> 00:50:40,630
Okay.

1255
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:41,630
Anything else?

1256
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:42,630
My shoulders.

1257
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:43,630
We've got to sign it.

1258
00:50:43,630 --> 00:50:44,630
Don't worry.

1259
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:45,630
We don't have the money.

1260
00:50:45,630 --> 00:50:46,630
We can't even get money for what the state forces us on.

1261
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:47,630
Oh, I'm sorry.

1262
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:48,630
We've got to sign it.

1263
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:49,630
Don't worry.

1264
00:50:49,630 --> 00:50:50,630
We don't have the money.

1265
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:51,630
We can't even get money

1266
00:50:51,630 --> 00:50:52,630
for what the state forces us on.

1267
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:53,630
Oh, I see.

1268
00:50:53,630 --> 00:50:54,630
Oh, I understand.

1269
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:55,630
Yes.

1270
00:50:55,630 --> 00:50:56,630
Yes.

1271
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:57,630
All right.

1272
00:50:57,630 --> 00:50:58,630
Good.

1273
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:59,630
Anything else?

1274
00:50:59,630 --> 00:51:00,630
Okay.

1275
00:51:00,630 --> 00:51:01,630
Reading and approval of records and orders,

1276
00:51:01,630 --> 00:51:02,630
the regular minutes of September 3rd.

1277
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:03,630
All right.

1278
00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:04,630
I'm going to make motion to approve it.

1279
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:05,630
We know that there has been a clarification.

1280
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:06,630
Are you putting that in the minutes?

1281
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:07,630
Huh?

1282
00:51:07,630 --> 00:51:08,630
It'll be in these minutes.

1283
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:09,630
I'm going to approve the minutes,

1284
00:51:09,630 --> 00:51:10,630
but we know on this,

1285
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:11,630
this,

1286
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:12,630
this,

1287
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:13,630
this,

1288
00:51:13,630 --> 00:51:14,630
this,

1289
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:15,630
this,

1290
00:51:15,630 --> 00:51:16,630
this,

1291
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:17,630
this,

1292
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:18,630
this,

1293
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:19,630
this,

1294
00:51:19,630 --> 00:51:20,630
this,

1295
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:21,630
this,

1296
00:51:21,630 --> 00:51:22,630
this,

1297
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:23,630
this,

1298
00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:24,630
this,

1299
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:25,630
this,

1300
00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:26,630
this,

1301
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:27,630
this,

1302
00:51:27,630 --> 00:51:28,630
this,

1303
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:29,980
this,

1304
00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:30,980
this,

1305
00:51:30,980 --> 00:51:31,980
this,

1306
00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:32,980
this,

1307
00:51:32,980 --> 00:51:33,980
this,

1308
00:51:33,980 --> 00:51:34,980
this,

1309
00:51:34,980 --> 00:51:35,980
this,

1310
00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:37,559
this,

1311
00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:38,559
this,

1312
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:39,559
this,

1313
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:40,559
this,

1314
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:41,559
this,

1315
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:42,559
this,

1316
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:43,880
this,

1317
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:44,880
this,

1318
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:45,880
this,

1319
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:46,880
this,

1320
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:47,880
this,

1321
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:48,880
this,

1322
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,139
this,

1323
00:51:50,139 --> 00:51:51,139
this,

1324
00:51:51,139 --> 00:51:52,139
this,

1325
00:51:52,139 --> 00:51:53,139
this,

1326
00:51:53,139 --> 00:51:54,139
this,

1327
00:51:54,139 --> 00:52:00,789
and we're unable to sweep so i've got a different contractor coming in next week okay

1328
00:52:03,139 --> 00:52:07,880
how do you think your rope came out it looked better before it got swept

1329
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:15,639
so i had a good point following her yeah uh dude it seems like it's i don't know

1330
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:23,829
they said there was a window right down in the middle yeah okay yeah so that's probably why

1331
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:27,269
okay so i so that just doesn't happen again

1332
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:43,960
and east road is probably unholding next year too i'm sure that's next year i haven't heard

1333
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:51,460
big contact hb therapy update on our truck they haven't called me back so i'm guessing

1334
00:53:51,460 --> 00:53:52,019
that's probably

1335
00:53:52,099 --> 00:54:08,679
wrong and if you have i don't know how your schedule is working but if you can

1336
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:15,480
start working on the tennis court yeah so what was the day october i think it was october 5th

1337
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:23,099
right so i'm planning on friday trying to get down there to do that the day that they're off

1338
00:54:23,099 --> 00:54:29,260
i don't know if we'll get it done don't kill yourself whatever you can get done

1339
00:54:30,059 --> 00:54:33,900
get all the material from the buildings out there so we won't have you know

1340
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,880
you can check with julie and see what days she had two like friday and monday but i think monday

1341
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:52,920
was the holiday yeah so don't work on the holiday please no i mean it's not a big deal if we're out

1342
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,960
there on schools in the session but it does not be the majority of it yeah they probably wouldn't

1343
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:13,260
like that finish it you know as far as top zones even though they certainly can't get out on highway

1344
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:19,619
yep so we got our final bill

1345
00:55:20,179 --> 00:55:32,059
from payton slightly more than what we can run the tonnages and written in the contract is the

1346
00:55:32,059 --> 00:55:39,769
tonnages are estimated so it's about seven to five hundred dollars more than the official contracts

1347
00:55:39,769 --> 00:55:47,929
it's like one percent or something yeah so normal yeah i just wanted to run it by the employee

1348
00:55:47,929 --> 00:55:56,090
and send them a check to make sure that's all and that's what they're saying it's not bad yeah i i i

1349
00:55:56,090 --> 00:55:57,530
did fight with them because the

1350
00:55:57,690 --> 00:56:02,599
actually they contacted me and wanted to go up on the price because the price of oil

1351
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,800
i thought about it so we signed a contract with you at that price per time

1352
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:14,630
yeah you're just gonna have to eat a good time yeah so yeah so i think we really did luck out

1353
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:26,710
on that yeah well i think the hill looks good though the shore road jefferson road looks really

1354
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:31,750
nice and hopefully the winter will cooperate yeah

1355
00:56:32,550 --> 00:56:36,980
you work through it

1356
00:56:37,699 --> 00:56:43,059
up pretty much for us so so can i have a motion to pay the uh the uh all state

1357
00:56:47,179 --> 00:56:47,980
you see don't give them

1358
00:56:50,619 --> 00:56:55,179
wait a minute

1359
00:57:03,659 --> 00:57:08,650
we finally got the bank to approve our loan there was some uh

1360
00:57:09,530 --> 00:57:17,260
difficulty there but we're all straightened out um worked through the monday monday already and

1361
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:24,650
they um yes what was the difficulty yes

1362
00:57:27,289 --> 00:57:32,409
and how do you want to say that i've tried to think of the actual definition

1363
00:57:32,409 --> 00:57:37,289
the paving loan has no collateral it's a non-binding

1364
00:57:37,289 --> 00:57:38,329
no secured

1365
00:57:38,329 --> 00:57:39,690
unsecured loan

1366
00:57:39,690 --> 00:57:41,050
yeah i tried to remember the words

1367
00:57:41,050 --> 00:57:48,099
But, we're a municipality, they want to work with us, and they came through.

1368
00:57:48,099 --> 00:57:51,170
And they also said that they were going to.

1369
00:57:51,170 --> 00:57:52,170
Yes, they told Lori.

1370
00:57:52,170 --> 00:57:56,170
And then they went, oh, well, you know, you don't have underwriters that nobody ever sees?

1371
00:57:56,170 --> 00:57:57,170
Yeah.

1372
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:59,170
Now you're in that business.

1373
00:57:59,170 --> 00:58:02,170
Well, the underwriter said, no, sorry, you can't have the loan.

1374
00:58:02,170 --> 00:58:05,170
And we did check with the bank that you suggested.

1375
00:58:05,170 --> 00:58:07,170
The bank that I sent, and they couldn't help you?

1376
00:58:07,170 --> 00:58:09,170
Well, they would, but see, they want all our money.

1377
00:58:09,170 --> 00:58:11,170
Everybody wants all our money.

1378
00:58:11,170 --> 00:58:15,170
But that's a good thing, though, because now you have competition.

1379
00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:16,170
Right?

1380
00:58:16,170 --> 00:58:22,170
So now you can just say, well, sorry, we'll go over here.

1381
00:58:22,170 --> 00:58:24,170
I really like them.

1382
00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:26,170
I really, really like them.

1383
00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:34,170
But I realize that, I mean, I don't know how often you have to manually move money, like actual checks.

1384
00:58:34,170 --> 00:58:35,170
Right.

1385
00:58:35,170 --> 00:58:40,170
As opposed to, I don't know how much of a big deal that is for you to go to Bennington.

1386
00:58:40,170 --> 00:58:41,170
But I did talk to them.

1387
00:58:41,170 --> 00:58:45,170
I talked to your co-worker, and I said it would be Peter.

1388
00:58:45,170 --> 00:58:46,170
Peter.

1389
00:58:46,170 --> 00:58:48,170
And he told me about him, too.

1390
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:49,170
And I'm saying I'll give him a number.

1391
00:58:49,170 --> 00:58:51,170
He gave me a number, a girl up there.

1392
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:52,170
That's me.

1393
00:58:52,170 --> 00:58:53,170
Yeah.

1394
00:58:53,170 --> 00:58:58,170
And I feel, the thing is, like you said, when these other banks merge, and we saw that,

1395
00:58:58,170 --> 00:58:59,170
and who's that?

1396
00:58:59,170 --> 00:59:03,170
If anybody talks about 30 years ago, they were the greatest bank ever.

1397
00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:04,170
I know.

1398
00:59:04,170 --> 00:59:05,170
We all knew each other.

1399
00:59:05,170 --> 00:59:07,170
You shake hands, you walk in and say, oh, these guys are fighting it all.

1400
00:59:07,170 --> 00:59:09,170
You're definitely not getting along, you know?

1401
00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:10,170
Yeah.

1402
00:59:10,170 --> 00:59:11,170
And now Adam's Co-op is merging.

1403
00:59:11,170 --> 00:59:12,170
Exactly.

1404
00:59:12,170 --> 00:59:13,170
That's what it says.

1405
00:59:13,170 --> 00:59:14,170
So I don't know whether that is part of the thing.

1406
00:59:14,170 --> 00:59:15,170
But I don't know.

1407
00:59:15,170 --> 00:59:16,170
I love bank to bank.

1408
00:59:16,170 --> 00:59:17,170
Yep.

1409
00:59:17,170 --> 00:59:18,170
I mean, I really do.

1410
00:59:18,170 --> 00:59:19,170
It's nice to be able to shake hands and kind of know each other.

1411
00:59:19,170 --> 00:59:20,170
Oh, the 3%?

1412
00:59:20,170 --> 00:59:21,170
That's not happening with the 3%.

1413
00:59:21,170 --> 00:59:22,170
Well, Adam's Co-op does not have, the merger hasn't gone through yet.

1414
00:59:22,170 --> 00:59:23,170
They don't have their review board in place.

1415
00:59:23,170 --> 00:59:24,170
Oh, they've done.

1416
00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:25,170
They've lost, they've lost.

1417
00:59:25,170 --> 00:59:26,170
Okay, so they've lost a lot.

1418
00:59:26,170 --> 00:59:27,170
They've lost employees.

1419
00:59:27,170 --> 00:59:28,170
Personnel.

1420
00:59:28,170 --> 00:59:29,170
And then one.

1421
00:59:29,170 --> 00:59:30,170
So.

1422
00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:31,170
And the other thing is, they've lost, they've lost, they've lost employees.

1423
00:59:31,170 --> 00:59:32,170
Personnel.

1424
00:59:32,170 --> 00:59:33,170
And then one.

1425
00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:34,170
So.

1426
00:59:34,170 --> 00:59:35,170
And the bank, when they merged, it's the bank of Pittsfield, correct?

1427
00:59:35,170 --> 00:59:36,170
No.

1428
00:59:36,170 --> 00:59:37,170
What is it called?

1429
00:59:37,170 --> 00:59:38,170
Pittsfield Co-op.

1430
00:59:38,170 --> 00:59:39,329
Pittsfield something.

1431
00:59:39,329 --> 00:59:40,329
Is Pittsfield larger than Adam's Co-op?

1432
00:59:40,329 --> 00:59:41,329
No.

1433
00:59:41,329 --> 00:59:42,329
No.

1434
00:59:42,329 --> 00:59:43,329
Okay.

1435
00:59:43,329 --> 00:59:44,329
But, but Pittsfield Co-op, to my understanding, is the same as Mike Bailey, who's the president.

1436
00:59:44,329 --> 00:59:45,329
He was the one who was with Berkshire Bank.

1437
00:59:45,329 --> 00:59:46,329
Okay.

1438
00:59:46,329 --> 00:59:47,329
Yeah.

1439
00:59:47,329 --> 00:59:48,329
Yeah.

1440
00:59:48,329 --> 00:59:49,329
Yeah.

1441
00:59:49,329 --> 00:59:50,329
Yeah.

1442
00:59:50,329 --> 00:59:51,329
Yeah.

1443
00:59:51,329 --> 00:59:52,329
Yeah.

1444
00:59:52,329 --> 00:59:53,329
Yeah.

1445
00:59:53,329 --> 00:59:54,329
Yeah.

1446
00:59:54,329 --> 00:59:55,329
Yeah.

1447
00:59:55,329 --> 00:59:56,329
Yeah.

1448
00:59:56,329 --> 00:59:57,329
Yeah.

1449
00:59:57,329 --> 00:59:58,329
Yeah.

1450
00:59:58,329 --> 00:59:59,329
Yeah.

1451
00:59:59,329 --> 01:00:00,329
Yeah.

1452
01:00:00,329 --> 01:00:01,329
Yeah.

1453
01:00:01,329 --> 01:00:02,329
Yeah.

1454
01:00:02,329 --> 01:00:03,420
Yeah.

1455
01:00:03,420 --> 01:00:04,420
Yeah.

1456
01:00:04,420 --> 01:00:05,420
What all that for?

1457
01:00:05,420 --> 01:00:06,710
He's another one of those people who are independent.

1458
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:07,710
And then, they, they, they, which have been bored.

1459
01:00:07,710 --> 01:00:08,710
But, they, he's been around forever.

1460
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:09,710
Right.

1461
01:00:09,710 --> 01:00:10,710
They've weren't for a long time.

1462
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:11,710
And, and then, I, I, I hate mergers.

1463
01:00:11,710 --> 01:00:12,710
Yeah they do.

1464
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:13,900
They do, they do.

1465
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:14,900
You lose all that personal attention.

1466
01:00:14,900 --> 01:00:15,900
Right.

1467
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:17,130
But everything is fine now.

1468
01:00:17,130 --> 01:00:18,349
It's the way.

1469
01:00:18,349 --> 01:00:19,349
Everything.

1470
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:20,349
It's very hard to say small-

1471
01:00:20,349 --> 01:00:28,130
Well it's just like you were all just talking about first about the lobbyist.

1472
01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:32,710
You get insurance companies in the, in a state.

1473
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:34,050
And.

1474
01:00:34,050 --> 01:00:40,210
and you got four insurance companies, three insurance companies, but there could be a

1475
01:00:40,210 --> 01:00:43,730
great insurance company, like UB Insurance, you're not allowed to deal with them.

1476
01:00:43,730 --> 01:01:00,309
You know, I talked to the representative in North Adams there, this one and the prior one, yeah, and I told her, I said, you could have an insurance company in Tennessee, it's great technology, you don't need to have a guy go broke.

1477
01:01:00,309 --> 01:01:02,309
But they have to be licensed.

1478
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:11,940
That's what I mean, and why is that? Because the legislators won't let them do it. They can't come here at all. There's only so many of them to work on.

1479
01:01:11,940 --> 01:01:13,940
It's all about money.

1480
01:01:13,940 --> 01:01:15,940
It sure is.

1481
01:01:15,940 --> 01:01:19,940
Yeah, it sure is. And the higher up you go, the more money there is.

1482
01:01:19,940 --> 01:01:21,940
Anything else, Dave, on highway?

1483
01:01:21,940 --> 01:01:24,099
No.

1484
01:01:28,929 --> 01:01:30,929
Okay, recycling.

1485
01:01:30,929 --> 01:01:33,480
I thought we skipped right down to the paint.

1486
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,880
Well, it was in, it was in.

1487
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,880
It's David's.

1488
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:44,360
The Castello Saga just is a weekly thing, it feels like at this point.

1489
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:57,599
The price is definitely the best out there, but their service has just gone totally, it's, it's, you know, we had an issue.

1490
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:03,730
I had an older person pick up and dump one of our youngsters last week, I guess.

1491
01:02:03,730 --> 01:02:05,989
I had called Castello a week prior.

1492
01:02:05,989 --> 01:02:12,019
I was trying to be able to get our dumpsters emptied, and they weren't, they didn't work emptied.

1493
01:02:12,019 --> 01:02:20,019
So then Carol had to fill the demolition on Saturday with trash, instead of putting it in the compactor.

1494
01:02:20,019 --> 01:02:24,019
So I called them up, called them over and said, what's the deal?

1495
01:02:24,019 --> 01:02:26,019
And they said, oh, we're not on a schedule.

1496
01:02:26,019 --> 01:02:28,019
Well, I called last week.

1497
01:02:28,019 --> 01:02:35,329
And now if I call, I go through four different people to be able to get our trash emptied.

1498
01:02:35,329 --> 01:02:37,519
So I'm on the phone for, you know, at least a half an hour.

1499
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:39,519
So I'm trying to be a transfer.

1500
01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:41,519
It starts down, and I'm calling up any numbers.

1501
01:02:41,519 --> 01:02:43,519
I don't know if it's an 800 number.

1502
01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:45,650
But you always get somebody down south.

1503
01:02:45,650 --> 01:02:47,650
And then they ask your zip is.

1504
01:02:47,650 --> 01:02:50,360
And then you've got them getting somebody in Brattleboro.

1505
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,360
And they're like, oh, I don't even have you in the system.

1506
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,360
Well, they don't even have you in Brattleboro anymore.

1507
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,929
You know where Stanford is, you know.

1508
01:02:56,929 --> 01:02:58,929
And so then they transfer you to somebody else.

1509
01:02:58,929 --> 01:03:00,929
And that person finally will get you to Wilson, Muscat.

1510
01:03:00,929 --> 01:03:02,929
Something happens.

1511
01:03:02,929 --> 01:03:07,519
Okay.

1512
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:11,320
So what's the difference?

1513
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,320
I haven't gotten the bill.

1514
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,320
The Hilltown demolition guy.

1515
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,320
Okay.

1516
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,539
I did get a break from Don Leo.

1517
01:03:19,539 --> 01:03:21,539
It's a little bit higher.

1518
01:03:21,539 --> 01:03:23,539
And they're obviously busy.

1519
01:03:23,539 --> 01:03:27,199
Hilltown demolition.

1520
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:30,199
I didn't have his number.

1521
01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:34,630
So we called him.

1522
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:36,630
He came up that day.

1523
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:39,269
And took our dumpster down empty.

1524
01:03:39,269 --> 01:03:41,269
And said it's Richard's place.

1525
01:03:41,269 --> 01:03:43,429
He's been in the hall.

1526
01:03:43,429 --> 01:03:45,429
He'd be more than happy to do it for us.

1527
01:03:45,429 --> 01:03:47,429
And he just never texts me.

1528
01:03:47,429 --> 01:03:49,429
He doesn't.

1529
01:03:49,429 --> 01:03:51,429
He has his own business.

1530
01:03:51,429 --> 01:03:53,909
You know.

1531
01:03:53,909 --> 01:03:55,909
Containers and stuff.

1532
01:03:55,909 --> 01:03:57,909
But he has time to be able to

1533
01:03:57,909 --> 01:03:59,909
drop those for us.

1534
01:03:59,909 --> 01:04:01,909
Now the price is going to be

1535
01:04:01,909 --> 01:04:04,389
that she can sell.

1536
01:04:04,389 --> 01:04:06,389
I haven't got his bill yet.

1537
01:04:06,389 --> 01:04:10,019
So I don't want to say what it's going to be.

1538
01:04:10,019 --> 01:04:12,019
Where's he hauling that?

1539
01:04:12,019 --> 01:04:14,019
Same place that it can sell.

1540
01:04:14,019 --> 01:04:16,019
Same place.

1541
01:04:16,019 --> 01:04:20,320
So it's not like it's going anywhere.

1542
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,320
Bill got fired.

1543
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,320
Is that one of the problems?

1544
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,320
Did somebody come?

1545
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,320
No.

1546
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,320
That was somebody I think that's new in town.

1547
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,699
That was our system.

1548
01:04:33,699 --> 01:04:35,699
But they came and dumped.

1549
01:04:35,699 --> 01:04:37,699
Somebody called.

1550
01:04:37,699 --> 01:04:39,699
They came and got rid of it.

1551
01:04:39,699 --> 01:04:41,699
Yeah.

1552
01:04:41,699 --> 01:04:43,699
Yeah.

1553
01:04:43,699 --> 01:04:45,699
Do they have a recycling cart?

1554
01:04:45,699 --> 01:04:49,679
Will that.

1555
01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:51,679
The place is unclosed.

1556
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:54,739
Because of that.

1557
01:04:54,739 --> 01:04:56,739
Well.

1558
01:04:56,739 --> 01:04:58,739
Oh.

1559
01:04:58,739 --> 01:05:01,599
Somebody went up there and opened it.

1560
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:03,599
And dumped.

1561
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:05,599
I don't know if it's done or not.

1562
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:07,599
But this is part of the conversation.

1563
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:10,369
You have people that

1564
01:05:10,369 --> 01:05:15,320
aren't full time residents

1565
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,860
that

1566
01:05:17,860 --> 01:05:19,889
aren't going to be here on Saturday

1567
01:05:19,889 --> 01:05:21,889
and leaving to go back to

1568
01:05:21,889 --> 01:05:24,530
Long Island for a week.

1569
01:05:24,530 --> 01:05:26,530
Some have a problem.

1570
01:05:26,530 --> 01:05:28,530
Trash on Tuesday instead of

1571
01:05:28,530 --> 01:05:30,530
Wednesday or Saturday.

1572
01:05:30,530 --> 01:05:32,530
It's not going to change with those people.

1573
01:05:32,530 --> 01:05:34,530
Yeah.

1574
01:05:34,530 --> 01:05:36,530
Right.

1575
01:05:36,530 --> 01:05:38,530
You know.

1576
01:05:38,530 --> 01:05:40,530
We talk about this a lot.

1577
01:05:40,530 --> 01:05:42,530
And if we make it.

1578
01:05:42,530 --> 01:05:44,530
Like you said.

1579
01:05:44,530 --> 01:05:46,530
If we fight the fight.

1580
01:05:46,530 --> 01:05:48,530
Make it so hard.

1581
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:50,530
You're going to have dumping on the side of the road.

1582
01:05:50,530 --> 01:05:52,530
And you're going to have the green day pickup.

1583
01:05:52,530 --> 01:05:54,530
One day you're going to have it filled.

1584
01:05:54,530 --> 01:05:56,530
And you're going to have people bringing stuff down.

1585
01:05:56,530 --> 01:05:58,530
What do you want to tell the people.

1586
01:05:58,530 --> 01:06:00,530
The four wheelers.

1587
01:06:00,530 --> 01:06:02,530
Side by sides.

1588
01:06:02,530 --> 01:06:04,530
To me that's a service for free.

1589
01:06:04,530 --> 01:06:06,530
I mean there is people that don't.

1590
01:06:06,530 --> 01:06:08,530
And it's a very few

1591
01:06:08,530 --> 01:06:10,530
times that we have that.

1592
01:06:10,530 --> 01:06:12,530
My thing we should look at.

1593
01:06:12,530 --> 01:06:14,530
The big question is the prices.

1594
01:06:14,530 --> 01:06:16,530
You know if you've got a service that's no good.

1595
01:06:16,530 --> 01:06:18,530
And you can get a price that's close

1596
01:06:18,530 --> 01:06:20,530
for a better service.

1597
01:06:20,530 --> 01:06:22,530
I would guess I mean

1598
01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:24,760
that it's going to be

1599
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,760
150 more haul.

1600
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,170
So that's 12 haul

1601
01:06:29,170 --> 01:06:32,099
a year.

1602
01:06:32,099 --> 01:06:34,099
For the one down here.

1603
01:06:34,099 --> 01:06:36,099
So.

1604
01:06:36,099 --> 01:06:38,099
Well let's see what happens.

1605
01:06:38,099 --> 01:06:40,099
Hey we might do this.

1606
01:06:40,099 --> 01:06:42,099
And the consultant comes back and says

1607
01:06:42,099 --> 01:06:44,099
hey we need your business.

1608
01:06:44,099 --> 01:06:46,099
There's a lot of things that can.

1609
01:06:46,099 --> 01:06:48,099
It's the service that the consultant

1610
01:06:48,099 --> 01:06:50,099
can't provide anymore.

1611
01:06:50,099 --> 01:06:52,099
And you call them.

1612
01:06:52,099 --> 01:06:54,389
So they just know.

1613
01:06:54,389 --> 01:06:56,389
They just know.

1614
01:06:56,389 --> 01:06:58,389
They suck and they don't do a good job.

1615
01:06:58,389 --> 01:07:00,389
Because they have everyone.

1616
01:07:00,389 --> 01:07:02,389
This is more than a year.

1617
01:07:02,389 --> 01:07:04,389
Everybody does this.

1618
01:07:04,389 --> 01:07:06,389
That's a stupid question.

1619
01:07:06,389 --> 01:07:08,389
I know we own the compactor.

1620
01:07:08,389 --> 01:07:10,389
The containers that everything

1621
01:07:10,389 --> 01:07:12,389
they put into. Do we own those too as well?

1622
01:07:12,389 --> 01:07:14,389
Or is that a consolidated thing?

1623
01:07:14,389 --> 01:07:16,389
So the demolition and the compactor we own.

1624
01:07:16,389 --> 01:07:18,389
The recycling we don't.

1625
01:07:18,389 --> 01:07:20,389
That's still consolidated.

1626
01:07:20,389 --> 01:07:22,389
And they're good about that because that's on auto.

1627
01:07:22,389 --> 01:07:24,389
So for the most part

1628
01:07:24,389 --> 01:07:26,389
they only mess that up once or twice a year.

1629
01:07:26,389 --> 01:07:28,389
So we're not going to lose that.

1630
01:07:28,389 --> 01:07:30,389
Right.

1631
01:07:30,389 --> 01:07:32,389
And they'll still do the

1632
01:07:32,389 --> 01:07:34,389
compost.

1633
01:07:34,389 --> 01:07:36,389
Yeah.

1634
01:07:36,389 --> 01:07:38,389
I just noticed the service from this guy

1635
01:07:38,389 --> 01:07:40,389
was pretty spectacular

1636
01:07:40,389 --> 01:07:42,389
considering we're not a customer.

1637
01:07:42,389 --> 01:07:44,389
We just call him and he says

1638
01:07:44,389 --> 01:07:46,389
yeah I'll call my guy.

1639
01:07:46,389 --> 01:07:48,389
Is it worth trying to implement fees

1640
01:07:48,389 --> 01:07:50,389
for these people

1641
01:07:50,389 --> 01:07:52,389
that are from out of state

1642
01:07:52,389 --> 01:07:54,389
like you said part time residents

1643
01:07:54,389 --> 01:07:56,389
that aren't full time residents.

1644
01:07:56,389 --> 01:07:58,389
Is there a way to implement a higher don't fee

1645
01:07:58,389 --> 01:08:01,090
for those particular people to

1646
01:08:01,090 --> 01:08:03,090
offset the cost of it?

1647
01:08:03,090 --> 01:08:05,090
I don't know why we.

1648
01:08:05,090 --> 01:08:07,090
Because like I said

1649
01:08:07,090 --> 01:08:09,090
North Adams City Dump

1650
01:08:09,090 --> 01:08:11,090
they have it open to everybody.

1651
01:08:11,090 --> 01:08:13,090
The non-residents residents

1652
01:08:13,090 --> 01:08:15,090
they'll take all your trash.

1653
01:08:15,090 --> 01:08:18,210
There's a higher fee for the people

1654
01:08:18,210 --> 01:08:20,210
that are non-residents.

1655
01:08:20,210 --> 01:08:22,210
So I don't know if that's the way

1656
01:08:22,210 --> 01:08:24,210
this town wants to go

1657
01:08:24,210 --> 01:08:26,210
because they're operated like a business.

1658
01:08:26,210 --> 01:08:28,210
We don't make any money

1659
01:08:28,210 --> 01:08:30,210
at the dump that's for sure.

1660
01:08:30,210 --> 01:08:32,210
Right.

1661
01:08:32,210 --> 01:08:34,920
Versus something we can

1662
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,170
bring in.

1663
01:08:37,170 --> 01:08:39,170
Yeah.

1664
01:08:39,170 --> 01:08:41,520
I see what you're saying.

1665
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,520
And then that means

1666
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,520
we need to update them.

1667
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,199
We need to update them.

1668
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:50,199
We should start looking at things like this.

1669
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:52,199
So I was a big believer

1670
01:08:52,199 --> 01:08:54,199
in raising the prices

1671
01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:56,199
way back.

1672
01:08:56,199 --> 01:08:58,199
I think it should be free.

1673
01:08:58,199 --> 01:09:00,199
Yeah I know you do.

1674
01:09:00,199 --> 01:09:02,199
But then the taxpayers

1675
01:09:02,199 --> 01:09:04,199
that don't use that are paying it

1676
01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:06,199
and so on.

1677
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:08,199
We're paying it anyway.

1678
01:09:08,199 --> 01:09:10,199
It's a little harder

1679
01:09:10,199 --> 01:09:12,199
to do that.

1680
01:09:12,199 --> 01:09:14,199
It's a loss

1681
01:09:14,199 --> 01:09:16,199
on the town's money.

1682
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:18,199
Yeah.

1683
01:09:18,199 --> 01:09:20,359
I don't use it.

1684
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:22,359
We're using it now

1685
01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:24,359
but if the price goes up.

1686
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:26,359
It's still going to be

1687
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:28,359
a lot lower than any other place you've done it.

1688
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:30,359
I know but I just think

1689
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:32,359
I think that's service

1690
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:34,359
personally that I should provide.

1691
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:36,359
Well okay

1692
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:38,359
so how much do we bring in?

1693
01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:40,359
Every year

1694
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:42,359
in revenues from the dump.

1695
01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:44,359
You don't lose it.

1696
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:46,359
No I know.

1697
01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:48,359
I know we're losing money

1698
01:09:48,359 --> 01:09:50,359
but what is the income and what's the expense?

1699
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:52,359
I feel like you'd have to charge for demo.

1700
01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:54,359
If you got rid of the trash

1701
01:09:54,359 --> 01:09:56,359
but you could never say that the demo

1702
01:09:56,359 --> 01:09:58,359
I mean you just

1703
01:09:58,359 --> 01:10:00,359
every time somebody wants to redo the incident

1704
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:02,359
I'll take advantage of it.

1705
01:10:02,359 --> 01:10:04,359
It's not like we

1706
01:10:04,359 --> 01:10:06,359
We bring in 15,000.

1707
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:08,359
As a minister

1708
01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:10,359
and it costs

1709
01:10:10,359 --> 01:10:12,359
I don't know if we have to.

1710
01:10:12,359 --> 01:10:14,359
Well do you have to?

1711
01:10:14,359 --> 01:10:16,640
80?

1712
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,640
73,000.

1713
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,640
We're only bringing in 15,000.

1714
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,640
It is free.

1715
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,640
We can't lose that 15,000.

1716
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,640
We can't lose that 15,000.

1717
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,640
We can't lose that 15,000.

1718
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,640
We can't lose that 15,000.

1719
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,640
I mean thank God we're getting it.

1720
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,640
Well that's what I'm saying.

1721
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,640
I think we're so low

1722
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,640
and I understand your size.

1723
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,640
We're losing that guy.

1724
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,640
We're losing that guy.

1725
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,640
That's the thing.

1726
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,640
We have to raise taxes.

1727
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,640
If everybody gets it for free

1728
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,640
now everybody's going to use it

1729
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,640
the 80,000 will turn into 160,000.

1730
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,640
Sure.

1731
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,640
And then we're just going to have to raise taxes.

1732
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,640
Absolutely.

1733
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,640
And save 100,000 dollars.

1734
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,640
I'm sorry.

1735
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,640
So the guy that

1736
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,710
It's just a

1737
01:11:06,710 --> 01:11:08,710
both sides of the coin. I understand that.

1738
01:11:08,710 --> 01:11:10,710
So the guy that

1739
01:11:10,710 --> 01:11:12,710
don'ts for us the other day

1740
01:11:12,710 --> 01:11:14,710
does four for them

1741
01:11:14,710 --> 01:11:17,670
and he says it's every week.

1742
01:11:17,670 --> 01:11:19,670
Or once a month.

1743
01:11:19,670 --> 01:11:21,670
Right.

1744
01:11:21,670 --> 01:11:23,670
How many residents use it

1745
01:11:23,670 --> 01:11:25,670
if it's only 30%

1746
01:11:25,670 --> 01:11:27,670
and now we make it free

1747
01:11:27,670 --> 01:11:29,670
and now you have 100%

1748
01:11:29,670 --> 01:11:31,670
it goes up not half

1749
01:11:31,670 --> 01:11:33,670
not double

1750
01:11:33,670 --> 01:11:35,670
I think we've got a good thing going on here with it.

1751
01:11:35,670 --> 01:11:37,670
I mean not good

1752
01:11:37,670 --> 01:11:39,670
I don't want to do more.

1753
01:11:39,670 --> 01:11:41,670
I don't want to do any more.

1754
01:11:41,670 --> 01:11:43,960
I mean if I have

1755
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,960
I'd pay for all the roads in town

1756
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:47,960
I don't do this.

1757
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,960
There you go.

1758
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,960
I don't want to do any more.

1759
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,239
Right.

1760
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:56,239
But you can't write that up.

1761
01:11:56,239 --> 01:11:58,239
See I understand

1762
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:00,239
same thing with a school.

1763
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:02,239
I don't like children going to school.

1764
01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:04,239
But I do understand it's dark in here.

1765
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:06,239
It's a collective thing.

1766
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:08,239
I understand.

1767
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:10,239
Yeah.

1768
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:12,239
Well she charges for items too

1769
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:14,239
isn't that part of that too?

1770
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:16,239
Yeah that's $3,000

1771
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:18,239
and selling the cars is $12,000

1772
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:21,039
so $15,000 total.

1773
01:12:21,039 --> 01:12:23,039
Yeah but how much did we spend

1774
01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:25,039
getting rid of them last year?

1775
01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:27,039
Yeah we've got to pay for people

1776
01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:29,039
a lot more than $3,000.

1777
01:12:29,039 --> 01:12:31,039
It's just wrapped into the cycling cost.

1778
01:12:31,039 --> 01:12:33,039
Right.

1779
01:12:33,039 --> 01:12:35,109
I can guarantee you that

1780
01:12:35,109 --> 01:12:37,109
it costs us a lot more than $3,000

1781
01:12:37,109 --> 01:12:39,140
just you know

1782
01:12:39,140 --> 01:12:41,619
it costs $340

1783
01:12:41,619 --> 01:12:43,619
to haul it

1784
01:12:43,619 --> 01:12:45,619
never mind the cost of the downhill

1785
01:12:45,619 --> 01:12:49,729
so it's six times a year.

1786
01:12:49,729 --> 01:12:51,729
Well do you want just the cost

1787
01:12:51,729 --> 01:12:53,729
do you want just that recycling cost

1788
01:12:53,729 --> 01:12:55,729
not including people and all of it?

1789
01:12:55,729 --> 01:12:57,729
I've got a load in my trailer right now

1790
01:12:57,729 --> 01:12:59,729
I'm looking where that is next week.

1791
01:12:59,729 --> 01:13:01,729
I'll ring a bell we'll see what that costs.

1792
01:13:01,729 --> 01:13:03,729
Well I told you I can't remember now

1793
01:13:03,729 --> 01:13:05,729
but when I used to be

1794
01:13:05,729 --> 01:13:07,729
when I used to be able to go to Palinol

1795
01:13:07,729 --> 01:13:09,729
and I went to Palinol and dumped

1796
01:13:09,729 --> 01:13:11,729
you know a couple of huge loads

1797
01:13:11,729 --> 01:13:13,729
in my dumping trailer

1798
01:13:13,729 --> 01:13:15,729
I mean I feel like it was about $150

1799
01:13:15,729 --> 01:13:17,729
and now you can't even go there.

1800
01:13:17,729 --> 01:13:19,729
And now you can't even go there.

1801
01:13:19,729 --> 01:13:21,729
They charge by the weight.

1802
01:13:21,729 --> 01:13:23,729
When I do go

1803
01:13:23,729 --> 01:13:25,729
I'm going to have

1804
01:13:25,729 --> 01:13:27,729
it's not really a demo

1805
01:13:27,729 --> 01:13:29,729
it's more a house clean out

1806
01:13:29,729 --> 01:13:31,729
I guess you would call it

1807
01:13:31,729 --> 01:13:33,729
you're not supposed to have this this and this

1808
01:13:33,729 --> 01:13:35,729
but it is what it is

1809
01:13:35,729 --> 01:13:37,729
people never look

1810
01:13:37,729 --> 01:13:39,729
I'm going to tell you right now

1811
01:13:39,729 --> 01:13:41,729
you probably get stuff in there all the time that you don't know what's in there

1812
01:13:41,729 --> 01:13:43,729
all those in the same hole

1813
01:13:43,729 --> 01:13:45,729
and get down to Pittsfield

1814
01:13:45,729 --> 01:13:47,729
but I'll get the bill

1815
01:13:47,729 --> 01:13:49,729
and the weight and all that

1816
01:13:49,729 --> 01:13:52,180
we can see what that costs

1817
01:13:52,180 --> 01:13:54,180
I don't know what North Adams is charging

1818
01:13:54,180 --> 01:13:56,180
I don't consider a resident

1819
01:13:56,180 --> 01:13:58,180
because of the business

1820
01:13:58,180 --> 01:14:00,180
what they're charging me for that

1821
01:14:00,180 --> 01:14:02,180
with my sticker that costs so much

1822
01:14:02,180 --> 01:14:04,180
Yeah so when you go there you pay for a sticker

1823
01:14:04,180 --> 01:14:06,180
an initial fee

1824
01:14:06,180 --> 01:14:08,180
and then you're charged

1825
01:14:08,180 --> 01:14:10,180
for your weight

1826
01:14:10,180 --> 01:14:12,180
Sure

1827
01:14:12,180 --> 01:14:14,180
no cash either

1828
01:14:14,180 --> 01:14:16,180
all credit cards

1829
01:14:16,180 --> 01:14:18,310
and you only use one vehicle

1830
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:20,470
it has to be the vehicle you have registered

1831
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:22,470
tickers on that vehicle

1832
01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:24,470
your truck breaks down too bad

1833
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:26,560
You're always nice to me

1834
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,520
I'm like a sticker

1835
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,520
Yeah you're always a sticker

1836
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,520
Yeah you need to be a woman

1837
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,520
and be nice to them

1838
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,520
There's a woman at the window

1839
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,520
They charge for problem for trash

1840
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,520
Excuse me

1841
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,520
Oh sorry

1842
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,520
Anything else Dave? Recycling

1843
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,520
See Jonathan how bad this gets us

1844
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,520
by the way

1845
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,520
Okay

1846
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,520
Each household has a waste facility

1847
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,520
in Bennington

1848
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,520
will be closing October 5th

1849
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,520
so if you need to get anything up there

1850
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,520
before winter

1851
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,520
Oh it's just closing for the winter

1852
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,520
Yes

1853
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,520
You should not

1854
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,520
if you did what I did

1855
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,520
and you went into basements

1856
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,520
I know

1857
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,520
they must have somewhere

1858
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,520
clean and acceptable

1859
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,520
and safe to put it

1860
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,520
or it will be on the back roads

1861
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,520
it will dump it on the back roads

1862
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,520
there has to be a place

1863
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,520
where that stuff can go

1864
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,520
I know this is just because

1865
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,520
it's up where my campus is

1866
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,520
but Risky Man Show

1867
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,520
they used to dump a lot up there

1868
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,520
they wouldn't just dump on the side of the road

1869
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,520
they'd throw over a bank

1870
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,520
and be like well you've been up there

1871
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,520
in the river

1872
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,520
nobody can get it out of there

1873
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,520
and there it is

1874
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,520
seeping into the brook

1875
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,520
down to the natural bridge

1876
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,520
Okay so the other thing

1877
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,520
with the alliance

1878
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,520
we're still looking for another member

1879
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,520
from Stanford to belong to the alliance

1880
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,520
it's only one hour

1881
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,520
every three months

1882
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,520
you attend a meeting online

1883
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,810
any select board member

1884
01:16:09,810 --> 01:16:11,810
and it's part of our

1885
01:16:11,810 --> 01:16:13,810
rules that we have to have

1886
01:16:13,810 --> 01:16:15,810
put it out there

1887
01:16:15,810 --> 01:16:17,810
see if someone wants to do it

1888
01:16:17,810 --> 01:16:19,810
a selectman would be the best

1889
01:16:19,810 --> 01:16:21,810
advertise it

1890
01:16:21,810 --> 01:16:23,810
selectmen have a future

1891
01:16:23,810 --> 01:16:25,810
and selectmen should jump forward

1892
01:16:25,810 --> 01:16:27,810
anyway

1893
01:16:27,810 --> 01:16:29,810
one thing that the alliance

1894
01:16:29,810 --> 01:16:31,810
is looking into

1895
01:16:31,810 --> 01:16:33,810
with DOT

1896
01:16:33,810 --> 01:16:35,810
and emergency management

1897
01:16:35,810 --> 01:16:37,810
to develop a plan

1898
01:16:37,810 --> 01:16:39,810
for disaster debris planning

1899
01:16:39,810 --> 01:16:41,810
if there's a disaster

1900
01:16:41,810 --> 01:16:43,810
where is the debris going

1901
01:16:43,810 --> 01:16:47,670
that must be part

1902
01:16:47,670 --> 01:16:49,920
must be something

1903
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:51,920
we're fairly lucky

1904
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:53,920
in our time

1905
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,920
our disaster would be

1906
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:57,920
something that tears down

1907
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,920
a building like this

1908
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:01,920
it's not going to be a

1909
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,920
hazardous waste so much

1910
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:05,920
an industrial building

1911
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,920
or a nuclear place

1912
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,960
I mean

1913
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:11,960
you go down to Pittsfield

1914
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,020
and something happens

1915
01:17:14,020 --> 01:17:16,210
down there

1916
01:17:16,210 --> 01:17:18,210
it's not going to be

1917
01:17:18,210 --> 01:17:20,369
dark you know

1918
01:17:20,369 --> 01:17:22,369
okay

1919
01:17:22,369 --> 01:17:24,369
painting loan

1920
01:17:24,369 --> 01:17:26,399
we just dust that

1921
01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:28,760
anything else on it

1922
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,760
is that good

1923
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,140
okay

1924
01:17:33,140 --> 01:17:35,140
correspondence

1925
01:17:35,140 --> 01:17:37,140
do we have a chance

1926
01:17:37,140 --> 01:17:39,140
to read it

1927
01:17:39,140 --> 01:17:41,140
2032

1928
01:17:41,140 --> 01:17:43,140
is Nemrick a lobbyist

1929
01:17:43,140 --> 01:17:45,140
in the state of Vermont

1930
01:17:45,140 --> 01:17:48,199
I don't think so

1931
01:17:48,199 --> 01:17:50,199
there's not many

1932
01:17:50,199 --> 01:17:52,199
re-appraisal firms

1933
01:17:52,199 --> 01:17:54,199
that work with us

1934
01:17:54,199 --> 01:17:56,199
I think they work pretty closely

1935
01:17:56,199 --> 01:17:58,199
with the League of Cities and Towns

1936
01:17:58,199 --> 01:18:00,199
as much connection as they

1937
01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:02,199
we are forced by the state

1938
01:18:02,199 --> 01:18:04,199
to do these appraisals

1939
01:18:04,199 --> 01:18:06,199
we don't have someone

1940
01:18:06,199 --> 01:18:08,199
that can do it in town

1941
01:18:08,199 --> 01:18:10,199
so we hire firms

1942
01:18:10,199 --> 01:18:12,199
they're the only ones

1943
01:18:12,199 --> 01:18:14,199
that ever get back to us

1944
01:18:14,199 --> 01:18:16,199
it's almost a monopoly

1945
01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:18,199
we sent out when we did this

1946
01:18:18,199 --> 01:18:20,199
we sent out over 60

1947
01:18:20,199 --> 01:18:22,199
RPs

1948
01:18:22,199 --> 01:18:24,199
72

1949
01:18:24,199 --> 01:18:26,199
72

1950
01:18:26,199 --> 01:18:28,199
everybody on their list

1951
01:18:28,199 --> 01:18:30,199
I got one company from Boston

1952
01:18:30,199 --> 01:18:32,199
and Nemrick

1953
01:18:32,199 --> 01:18:34,199
but let me just say

1954
01:18:34,199 --> 01:18:36,199
as somebody who sees this

1955
01:18:36,199 --> 01:18:38,199
all the time

1956
01:18:38,199 --> 01:18:40,199
in all these towns

1957
01:18:40,199 --> 01:18:42,199
I mean you really have to do it

1958
01:18:42,199 --> 01:18:44,199
you have to do the re-appraisals

1959
01:18:44,199 --> 01:18:46,199
because they are

1960
01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:48,199
it is so unfair

1961
01:18:48,199 --> 01:18:50,199
you've got some people

1962
01:18:50,199 --> 01:18:52,199
who are paying this

1963
01:18:52,199 --> 01:18:54,199
and you've got some people

1964
01:18:54,199 --> 01:18:56,199
who are paying this

1965
01:18:56,199 --> 01:18:58,199
well look at what we did

1966
01:18:58,199 --> 01:19:00,199
when we did do that

1967
01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:02,199
they went up 20-30%

1968
01:19:02,199 --> 01:19:04,199
that's right

1969
01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:06,199
they were paying way too much

1970
01:19:06,199 --> 01:19:08,199
I can't get into it too much

1971
01:19:08,199 --> 01:19:10,199
because it was always

1972
01:19:10,199 --> 01:19:12,199
in the executive session

1973
01:19:12,199 --> 01:19:14,199
but we had people complain

1974
01:19:14,199 --> 01:19:16,199
about their taxes

1975
01:19:16,199 --> 01:19:18,199
and if you saw what they were paying

1976
01:19:18,199 --> 01:19:20,199
they were all

1977
01:19:20,199 --> 01:19:22,199
it was a camp

1978
01:19:22,199 --> 01:19:24,199
a honey camp

1979
01:19:24,199 --> 01:19:26,199
for this wonderful honey camp

1980
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:28,199
you saw what they were paying

1981
01:19:28,199 --> 01:19:30,199
versus what they should have had

1982
01:19:30,199 --> 01:19:32,199
all these years

1983
01:19:32,199 --> 01:19:34,199
you'd be like holy crap

1984
01:19:34,199 --> 01:19:36,199
I could move into this

1985
01:19:36,199 --> 01:19:38,199
I think one of the biggest things too

1986
01:19:38,199 --> 01:19:40,199
is the appraisal

1987
01:19:40,199 --> 01:19:42,199
because it happens

1988
01:19:42,199 --> 01:19:44,199
so

1989
01:19:44,199 --> 01:19:46,199
this is what it was

1990
01:19:46,199 --> 01:19:48,199
this is what it was

1991
01:19:48,199 --> 01:19:50,199
just recently you saw

1992
01:19:50,199 --> 01:19:52,199
some people were like

1993
01:19:52,199 --> 01:19:54,199
27%

1994
01:19:54,199 --> 01:19:56,199
what did you say

1995
01:19:56,199 --> 01:19:58,199
well that number don't make sense to me

1996
01:19:58,199 --> 01:20:00,199
because

1997
01:20:00,199 --> 01:20:02,199
if you look at it this way

1998
01:20:02,199 --> 01:20:04,199
appraisals may come down

1999
01:20:04,199 --> 01:20:06,199
but it has to

2000
01:20:06,199 --> 01:20:08,199
well it's important

2001
01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:10,199
it's all about

2002
01:20:10,199 --> 01:20:12,199
what I did like about

2003
01:20:12,199 --> 01:20:14,199
the schedule regional

2004
01:20:14,199 --> 01:20:16,199
it's all about

2005
01:20:16,199 --> 01:20:18,199
if you vote on our budget

2006
01:20:18,199 --> 01:20:20,199
everything is somewhat balanced

2007
01:20:20,199 --> 01:20:22,199
so there shouldn't be these

2008
01:20:22,199 --> 01:20:24,199
craziness

2009
01:20:24,199 --> 01:20:26,199
I mean 20 years

2010
01:20:26,199 --> 01:20:28,199
is a long time

2011
01:20:28,199 --> 01:20:30,199
so this is

2012
01:20:30,199 --> 01:20:32,199
$86,400

2013
01:20:32,199 --> 01:20:34,199
they will start in 2030

2014
01:20:34,199 --> 01:20:36,199
with a completion date of 2032

2015
01:20:36,199 --> 01:20:38,739
was it monthly

2016
01:20:38,739 --> 01:20:40,739
so it's $3600

2017
01:20:40,739 --> 01:20:42,739
for 24 months

2018
01:20:42,739 --> 01:20:44,739
they don't have an hourly rate on there

2019
01:20:44,739 --> 01:20:46,930
it will

2020
01:20:46,930 --> 01:20:48,930
hearings beyond DCA will be

2021
01:20:48,930 --> 01:20:50,930
that's part of the $86,000

2022
01:20:50,930 --> 01:20:52,930
so your paying

2023
01:20:52,930 --> 01:20:54,930
concerns prior to

2024
01:20:54,930 --> 01:20:56,930
is paid in full free

2025
01:20:56,930 --> 01:20:58,930
do you hear that

2026
01:20:58,930 --> 01:21:00,930
have you done it now

2027
01:21:00,930 --> 01:21:02,930
I don't know if there's interest on it

2028
01:21:02,930 --> 01:21:04,930
but then there's $150 an hour

2029
01:21:04,930 --> 01:21:06,930
yeah so there's

2030
01:21:06,930 --> 01:21:08,930
$86,000

2031
01:21:08,930 --> 01:21:10,930
charge and anybody

2032
01:21:10,930 --> 01:21:13,319
who can call it

2033
01:21:13,319 --> 01:21:15,439
disputes

2034
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:17,439
it's $150

2035
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,439
an hour more

2036
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,439
for them to

2037
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,439
defend what they did

2038
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,439
the travel time

2039
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,439
is more than it used to be with John

2040
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,439
so if I make a mistake

2041
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,439
for me to defend my mistake

2042
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,439
I'm going to charge the time

2043
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,239
does that sound

2044
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:38,239
right

2045
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:40,239
well if you make a mistake

2046
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:42,239
if I'm in the business of

2047
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:44,239
doing this I'm going to make mistakes

2048
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,439
and remember

2049
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,439
when people want to

2050
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,439
object

2051
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:56,500
the bottom line is

2052
01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:58,500
it's the town's

2053
01:21:58,500 --> 01:22:00,500
it's the town's

2054
01:22:00,500 --> 01:22:02,500
opinion of value

2055
01:22:02,500 --> 01:22:04,500
it's very hard

2056
01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:06,500
it's very hard to

2057
01:22:06,500 --> 01:22:08,500
legitimately

2058
01:22:08,500 --> 01:22:10,689
you know complain

2059
01:22:10,689 --> 01:22:12,689
and say you did it wrong

2060
01:22:12,689 --> 01:22:14,689
it's very

2061
01:22:14,689 --> 01:22:16,689
hard

2062
01:22:16,689 --> 01:22:18,689
the best thing

2063
01:22:18,689 --> 01:22:20,689
if you're selling

2064
01:22:20,689 --> 01:22:22,689
is to

2065
01:22:22,689 --> 01:22:24,689
re-appraisal

2066
01:22:24,689 --> 01:22:26,689
remember too

2067
01:22:26,689 --> 01:22:28,689
they got to go in

2068
01:22:28,689 --> 01:22:30,689
and build it too

2069
01:22:30,689 --> 01:22:32,689
so these people

2070
01:22:32,689 --> 01:22:34,689
that say well

2071
01:22:34,689 --> 01:22:36,689
I'm going to complain

2072
01:22:36,689 --> 01:22:38,689
but they can't

2073
01:22:38,689 --> 01:22:40,689
come to my house

2074
01:22:40,689 --> 01:22:42,689
what are you hiding

2075
01:22:42,689 --> 01:22:44,689
right

2076
01:22:44,689 --> 01:22:46,689
otherwise we'll be in

2077
01:22:46,689 --> 01:22:48,689
the regional

2078
01:22:48,689 --> 01:22:50,689
the regional

2079
01:22:50,689 --> 01:22:52,689
whatever it is

2080
01:22:52,689 --> 01:22:54,689
motion

2081
01:22:54,689 --> 01:22:56,689
all in favor

2082
01:22:56,689 --> 01:22:58,689
they used to have a formula

2083
01:22:58,689 --> 01:23:00,689
where if your sales

2084
01:23:00,689 --> 01:23:02,689
were so far out of whack

2085
01:23:02,689 --> 01:23:04,689
from what you're appraising

2086
01:23:04,689 --> 01:23:06,689
they do

2087
01:23:06,689 --> 01:23:08,689
doesn't that seem like

2088
01:23:08,689 --> 01:23:10,689
one of your time

2089
01:23:10,689 --> 01:23:12,689
and you go by that

2090
01:23:12,689 --> 01:23:14,689
for a certain amount of time

2091
01:23:14,689 --> 01:23:16,689
it should be okay

2092
01:23:16,689 --> 01:23:18,689
is it really worth

2093
01:23:18,689 --> 01:23:20,689
spending that kind of money when there's a few that might be a little off I mean the juice isn't worth the squeeze there

2094
01:23:20,689 --> 01:23:22,689
you don't have to do it though

2095
01:23:22,689 --> 01:23:24,689
just another way to get you to spend

2096
01:23:24,689 --> 01:23:26,689
every last hour and a half

2097
01:23:26,689 --> 01:23:28,920
it's one more angle

2098
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:30,920
this is not worth the money

2099
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:32,920
I understand we're forced

2100
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,920
to do it but

2101
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:36,920
there's other things that are in place that trigger

2102
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:38,920
when okay yup there's a problem

2103
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,920
again if that's not working

2104
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:42,920
make it tighten that up

2105
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:44,920
so if you're saying it has to be

2106
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,920
20% out of whack

2107
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:48,920
take it up to 15 or 10

2108
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:50,920
instead of maybe let's do it

2109
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:52,920
without a thing

2110
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:54,920
if it stays in line for the next

2111
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,170
20 years

2112
01:23:57,170 --> 01:23:59,170
then this thing with all that money

2113
01:23:59,170 --> 01:24:01,170
we're going to waste it

2114
01:24:01,170 --> 01:24:03,170
every 3 years 100,000 dollars

2115
01:24:03,170 --> 01:24:05,170
there's so many needs

2116
01:24:05,170 --> 01:24:07,170
there's so many needs now

2117
01:24:07,170 --> 01:24:09,300
that this is one of those things

2118
01:24:09,300 --> 01:24:11,300
there's other things you can put in place

2119
01:24:11,300 --> 01:24:13,300
to fix

2120
01:24:13,300 --> 01:24:15,399
or was it really broke

2121
01:24:15,399 --> 01:24:17,399
it's just we went so far

2122
01:24:17,399 --> 01:24:19,399
we made it

2123
01:24:19,399 --> 01:24:21,399
25 years

2124
01:24:21,399 --> 01:24:23,399
without having to re-appraise

2125
01:24:23,399 --> 01:24:25,399
and our numbers didn't change

2126
01:24:25,399 --> 01:24:27,680
enough to trigger

2127
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:29,680
I know when we bought

2128
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:31,680
I'll make this quick

2129
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:33,680
but when we bought the Club Road property

2130
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:35,680
the appraisal just came in

2131
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,909
at what we bought it

2132
01:24:37,909 --> 01:24:39,909
where I could have gone around

2133
01:24:39,909 --> 01:24:42,100
at the time

2134
01:24:42,100 --> 01:24:44,100
I should have I guess

2135
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:46,100
I mean there were houses out there

2136
01:24:46,100 --> 01:24:48,159
that were far bigger

2137
01:24:48,159 --> 01:24:50,159
and many more bigger

2138
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:52,159
wouldn't a lower here

2139
01:24:52,159 --> 01:24:54,159
well I could have

2140
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:56,260
no I could have

2141
01:24:56,260 --> 01:24:58,260
if you have so many

2142
01:24:58,260 --> 01:25:00,260
that you come up with

2143
01:25:00,260 --> 01:25:02,260
I'm going to call an owner

2144
01:25:02,260 --> 01:25:04,260
you know what

2145
01:25:04,260 --> 01:25:06,260
I still think

2146
01:25:06,260 --> 01:25:08,260
we made it 25 years

2147
01:25:08,260 --> 01:25:10,260
but I think that the town of Stanford

2148
01:25:10,260 --> 01:25:12,260
didn't do their due diligence

2149
01:25:12,260 --> 01:25:14,260
by going out and actually appraising

2150
01:25:14,260 --> 01:25:16,260
they just let it ride

2151
01:25:16,260 --> 01:25:18,260
the state didn't see it

2152
01:25:18,260 --> 01:25:20,260
because there was no big numbers

2153
01:25:20,260 --> 01:25:22,260
and I really do believe

2154
01:25:22,260 --> 01:25:24,680
COVID had a lot to do with that

2155
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,680
when these people came into town

2156
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,680
when the numbers went through the roof

2157
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:30,680
you saw numbers that were unbelievable

2158
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:32,680
but it's all

2159
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:34,680
people are just like

2160
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,680
it's around the entire country

2161
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,680
yes Vermont

2162
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,680
the real estate prices in Vermont

2163
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,680
have gone up drastically

2164
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:44,680
but that has happened

2165
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,680
all over

2166
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,680
all the hill towns in Berkshire County

2167
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,680
are too

2168
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:52,680
you're looking at some boys

2169
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,680
you know

2170
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:56,680
$800,000, $900,000 house

2171
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,680
and it's a boy

2172
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:00,680
years ago you would laugh at that

2173
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,680
that's just the way it is

2174
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:04,680
we're always throwing money at stuff to fix it

2175
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,680
it's like plugging an electric pump

2176
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:08,680
when you can use a ram

2177
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,680
you're wasting energy

2178
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,680
and you're wasting money

2179
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:14,680
and this is what we're constantly doing

2180
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,680
throwing money at stuff to fix it

2181
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,680
and all of this is creating more problems

2182
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,899
I agree

2183
01:26:20,899 --> 01:26:22,899
I agree

2184
01:26:22,899 --> 01:26:24,899
there's that many things that are wrong

2185
01:26:24,899 --> 01:26:26,899
1,100 buildings

2186
01:26:26,899 --> 01:26:28,899
or something like that

2187
01:26:28,899 --> 01:26:30,899
1,100 buildings

2188
01:26:30,899 --> 01:26:32,960
every single

2189
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:34,960
like lawmaker's

2190
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,960
jobs are made possible

2191
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:38,960
a lot of those bills

2192
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:40,960
they're trying to justify their jobs

2193
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,960
that's what they do

2194
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:44,960
I put in one

2195
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:46,960
I put in one and it became a law

2196
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:48,960
so I've never done another one

2197
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:50,960
100%

2198
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:52,960
it gets totally to the constituents

2199
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:54,960
you don't like that thing

2200
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:56,960
I put in that bill

2201
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:58,960
and then it takes up so much time

2202
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:00,960
and energy

2203
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,960
Colorado has created a law

2204
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,960
that you get five

2205
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:06,960
every legislature you know more than five

2206
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,960
just to control this

2207
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:10,960
outrageous amount

2208
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:12,960
and then it was just wasting people's time

2209
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:14,960
we should be

2210
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,960
$400,000 for one bill

2211
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:18,960
agreed

2212
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:20,960
not shoved into the farm

2213
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:22,960
I get $100,000

2214
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,960
you mean we gotta give kids

2215
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:26,960
an education

2216
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:28,960
well what's the point

2217
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:30,960
over here

2218
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,960
anything else on your oldest

2219
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,960
story

2220
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,960
ok I have a couple here

2221
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,960
on 9-23

2222
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:40,960
what's that date

2223
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:42,960
Wednesday

2224
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:44,960
that's the night

2225
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:46,960
that we set

2226
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,960
for the school library and select board

2227
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,090
to meet together

2228
01:27:51,090 --> 01:27:53,090
Laurie's got the agenda out

2229
01:27:53,090 --> 01:27:55,090
for six o'clock

2230
01:27:55,090 --> 01:27:57,090
I will not be here

2231
01:27:57,090 --> 01:27:59,090
so I hope somebody from the board

2232
01:27:59,090 --> 01:28:01,090
will be here otherwise

2233
01:28:01,090 --> 01:28:03,090
it would look too good

2234
01:28:03,090 --> 01:28:05,090
and the only thing I'd like to see on there

2235
01:28:05,090 --> 01:28:07,090
is move the slide

2236
01:28:07,090 --> 01:28:09,090
who's moving that slide

2237
01:28:09,090 --> 01:28:11,090
well that's something that Jim brought up tonight

2238
01:28:11,090 --> 01:28:13,090
about the whole

2239
01:28:13,090 --> 01:28:15,090
the whole playground

2240
01:28:15,090 --> 01:28:17,090
I don't want to talk too much about it

2241
01:28:17,090 --> 01:28:19,090
on the school board

2242
01:28:19,090 --> 01:28:21,600
but the playground is in need of some things

2243
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,050
while that project that number

2244
01:28:24,050 --> 01:28:26,050
expense that they need to spend

2245
01:28:26,050 --> 01:28:28,050
to do things happens

2246
01:28:28,050 --> 01:28:30,050
we should add that slide

2247
01:28:30,050 --> 01:28:32,050
in on that deal

2248
01:28:32,050 --> 01:28:34,050
well in the meantime

2249
01:28:34,050 --> 01:28:36,050
that slide is being used

2250
01:28:36,050 --> 01:28:38,050
there on town property

2251
01:28:38,050 --> 01:28:40,050
because the fence is not

2252
01:28:40,050 --> 01:28:42,050
inside the school fence

2253
01:28:42,050 --> 01:28:44,050
well even if there wasn't a fence

2254
01:28:44,050 --> 01:28:46,050
it would still be used

2255
01:28:46,050 --> 01:28:48,050
once the school is closed

2256
01:28:48,050 --> 01:28:50,050
the school inside the fence

2257
01:28:50,050 --> 01:28:52,050
I would still say that the town

2258
01:28:52,050 --> 01:28:54,050
is in charge of that

2259
01:28:54,050 --> 01:28:56,050
so if someone was to get hurt

2260
01:28:56,050 --> 01:28:58,050
they're just going to

2261
01:28:58,050 --> 01:29:00,050
sue

2262
01:29:00,050 --> 01:29:02,050
the loss

2263
01:29:02,050 --> 01:29:04,050
I don't think they can sue us

2264
01:29:04,050 --> 01:29:06,050
I guess anybody can sue anybody

2265
01:29:06,050 --> 01:29:08,050
but the loss

2266
01:29:08,050 --> 01:29:10,050
so they're going to go

2267
01:29:10,050 --> 01:29:12,050
after the people

2268
01:29:12,050 --> 01:29:14,050
with the money

2269
01:29:14,050 --> 01:29:16,050
the town has insurance

2270
01:29:16,050 --> 01:29:18,050
so that's where we have to

2271
01:29:18,050 --> 01:29:20,050
if there is a defect

2272
01:29:20,050 --> 01:29:22,050
we have to either

2273
01:29:22,050 --> 01:29:24,149
close it or get it fixed

2274
01:29:24,149 --> 01:29:26,149
I don't think that slide

2275
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:28,149
was part of the defect actually

2276
01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:30,149
but we'll see

2277
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:32,149
I moved out of the playground

2278
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:34,149
because it was defective

2279
01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:36,149
so it's not up to standards

2280
01:29:36,149 --> 01:29:38,149
from the school

2281
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:40,149
yeah

2282
01:29:40,149 --> 01:29:42,149
I'll take it

2283
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:44,149
if you guys want to get rid of it

2284
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:46,149
I'll take it home for my children

2285
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:48,149
because I don't care

2286
01:29:48,149 --> 01:29:50,149
you're sliding down two by four

2287
01:29:50,149 --> 01:29:52,149
right now

2288
01:29:52,149 --> 01:29:54,180
we don't have it on here

2289
01:29:54,180 --> 01:29:56,180
but we should set Halloween hours

2290
01:29:56,180 --> 01:29:58,180
because it's out on Facebook

2291
01:29:58,180 --> 01:30:00,180
now that the PTG

2292
01:30:00,180 --> 01:30:02,180
has Trump or Treat

2293
01:30:02,180 --> 01:30:04,180
hours on October 31st

2294
01:30:04,180 --> 01:30:06,180
oh and I didn't

2295
01:30:06,180 --> 01:30:08,310
write down the hours

2296
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:10,310
anybody remember

2297
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:13,039
Trump or Treat

2298
01:30:13,039 --> 01:30:15,039
here

2299
01:30:15,039 --> 01:30:17,039
Trump or Treat

2300
01:30:17,039 --> 01:30:19,039
PTG

2301
01:30:19,039 --> 01:30:21,039
530

2302
01:30:21,039 --> 01:30:23,039
we can set our hours anytime

2303
01:30:23,039 --> 01:30:25,039
what do we usually do

2304
01:30:25,039 --> 01:30:27,039
6-7.30

2305
01:30:27,039 --> 01:30:29,039
is it 6-7.30

2306
01:30:29,039 --> 01:30:31,039
Dave's got a good point here

2307
01:30:31,039 --> 01:30:33,039
Trump or Treat

2308
01:30:37,039 --> 01:30:39,039
Trump or Treat

2309
01:30:39,039 --> 01:30:41,039
Trump or Treat

2310
01:30:41,039 --> 01:30:43,039
Saturday October 31st

2311
01:30:43,039 --> 01:30:45,039
starting at 5.30 pm

2312
01:30:45,039 --> 01:30:47,039
ok

2313
01:30:47,039 --> 01:30:49,039
so if we set the Halloween hours

2314
01:30:49,039 --> 01:30:51,039
6 to

2315
01:30:51,039 --> 01:30:53,039
same as last year

2316
01:30:53,039 --> 01:30:55,720
and if you

2317
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:57,720
can you email the fire department

2318
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,720
see if they want to do traffic control

2319
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:01,720
if they would like to do that

2320
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:03,720
please

2321
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:07,000
the other thing is

2322
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,000
I want to mention

2323
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,149
that

2324
01:31:12,149 --> 01:31:14,149
starting now

2325
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:16,560
come October

2326
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,560
everybody in the state of Vermont

2327
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:20,560
every voter is going to be mailed a ballot

2328
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,689
I don't want one

2329
01:31:22,689 --> 01:31:24,689
that just infuriates me

2330
01:31:24,689 --> 01:31:26,689
waste of money

2331
01:31:26,689 --> 01:31:28,689
I want to be sure

2332
01:31:28,689 --> 01:31:30,689
to get it back to the town office

2333
01:31:30,689 --> 01:31:32,689
by election day

2334
01:31:32,689 --> 01:31:34,689
either put it in our drop box

2335
01:31:34,689 --> 01:31:36,689
or bring it here

2336
01:31:36,689 --> 01:31:38,850
and if you come to vote that day without your ballot

2337
01:31:38,850 --> 01:31:40,850
please bring your ballot

2338
01:31:40,850 --> 01:31:42,850
because we should keep track of those

2339
01:31:42,850 --> 01:31:44,850
so this is election

2340
01:31:44,850 --> 01:31:46,850
lady

2341
01:31:46,850 --> 01:31:48,850
boss

2342
01:31:48,850 --> 01:31:50,850
election boss

2343
01:31:50,850 --> 01:31:52,850
ok so I always come in person

2344
01:31:52,850 --> 01:31:54,850
I mean they're probably going to mail me the ballot

2345
01:31:54,850 --> 01:31:56,850
and I'm like yeah yeah yeah

2346
01:31:56,850 --> 01:31:58,850
I'm going to add it to a stack

2347
01:31:58,850 --> 01:32:00,850
of a million things

2348
01:32:00,850 --> 01:32:02,850
so you want me to bring it here

2349
01:32:02,850 --> 01:32:04,850
but what happens if I don't

2350
01:32:04,850 --> 01:32:06,850
and I'm like yeah I want to vote

2351
01:32:06,850 --> 01:32:08,850
they can't stop you from voting

2352
01:32:08,850 --> 01:32:10,850
so the first thing would be

2353
01:32:10,850 --> 01:32:12,850
bring your ballot with you

2354
01:32:12,850 --> 01:32:14,850
fill it in or blank

2355
01:32:14,850 --> 01:32:16,850
and go in the booth and fill it out

2356
01:32:16,850 --> 01:32:18,850
or stick it in the box

2357
01:32:18,850 --> 01:32:20,850
option 2 is if you don't have your ballot

2358
01:32:20,850 --> 01:32:22,850
you're going to have to sign a waiver

2359
01:32:22,850 --> 01:32:24,850
saying I have not previously voted

2360
01:32:24,850 --> 01:32:26,850
and then you'll be given a ballot

2361
01:32:26,850 --> 01:32:28,850
the problem is

2362
01:32:28,850 --> 01:32:30,850
people are like I don't want to sign the waiver

2363
01:32:30,850 --> 01:32:33,560
I just want to vote

2364
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:35,560
wonder if you didn't get it

2365
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:37,560
I mean the mail is just

2366
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:39,560
the mail is

2367
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:41,560
they're not saying they haven't voted

2368
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,560
you cannot trust the mail

2369
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,560
nothing should be done by the mail

2370
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:47,560
we send stuff overnight

2371
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:49,560
and it gets lost

2372
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:51,560
sometimes actually lost

2373
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:53,560
inside the post office

2374
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:55,560
and cannot be found

2375
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,520
but I

2376
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:00,520
no but so

2377
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:02,520
everyone

2378
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:04,520
everyone who's been

2379
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:06,520
freaking out about these

2380
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,520
ballots and how

2381
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,520
oh you know people could be voting

2382
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:13,539
I'm 99%

2383
01:33:13,539 --> 01:33:15,539
sure that

2384
01:33:15,539 --> 01:33:17,539
that cannot happen because

2385
01:33:17,539 --> 01:33:19,539
I've been in here with you

2386
01:33:19,539 --> 01:33:21,539
when you're running these elections

2387
01:33:21,539 --> 01:33:23,539
there are checks and balances

2388
01:33:23,539 --> 01:33:25,539
over and over and over again

2389
01:33:25,539 --> 01:33:27,539
fear fear

2390
01:33:27,539 --> 01:33:29,539
the check and balance is that people

2391
01:33:29,539 --> 01:33:31,539
that can't vote twice

2392
01:33:31,539 --> 01:33:33,539
but there is no check and balance

2393
01:33:33,539 --> 01:33:35,539
that a person

2394
01:33:35,539 --> 01:33:37,539
that didn't receive their ballot

2395
01:33:37,539 --> 01:33:39,539
in the mail or they did but

2396
01:33:39,539 --> 01:33:41,539
her son receives it

2397
01:33:41,539 --> 01:33:43,539
and she takes it

2398
01:33:43,539 --> 01:33:45,539
and then she mails it in with what she wants

2399
01:33:45,539 --> 01:33:47,539
or their

2400
01:33:47,539 --> 01:33:49,539
mothers and fathers

2401
01:33:49,539 --> 01:33:51,539
that are elderly

2402
01:33:51,539 --> 01:33:53,539
so there is corruption

2403
01:33:53,539 --> 01:33:55,539
don't ever think there's not

2404
01:33:55,539 --> 01:33:57,539
well I can tell you right now

2405
01:33:57,539 --> 01:33:59,539
that get ballots

2406
01:33:59,539 --> 01:34:01,539
mailed to them

2407
01:34:01,539 --> 01:34:03,539
they mail them to their kids

2408
01:34:03,539 --> 01:34:05,539
or whatever who live

2409
01:34:05,539 --> 01:34:07,539
out west

2410
01:34:07,539 --> 01:34:09,539
and they get them to fill them out

2411
01:34:09,539 --> 01:34:11,539
and then they send them here

2412
01:34:11,539 --> 01:34:13,539
I mean so that's

2413
01:34:13,539 --> 01:34:15,539
I mean you have people

2414
01:34:15,539 --> 01:34:17,539
who are

2415
01:34:17,539 --> 01:34:19,539
mentally incompetent

2416
01:34:19,539 --> 01:34:21,539
three states away

2417
01:34:21,539 --> 01:34:23,539
I know that their kids are filling out their ballots

2418
01:34:23,539 --> 01:34:25,539
but again

2419
01:34:25,539 --> 01:34:28,079
that may be

2420
01:34:28,079 --> 01:34:30,079
and this power is small

2421
01:34:30,079 --> 01:34:32,180
but that's not

2422
01:34:32,180 --> 01:34:34,180
your city is big

2423
01:34:34,180 --> 01:34:36,180
your is small

2424
01:34:36,180 --> 01:34:38,180
I just don't believe that

2425
01:34:38,180 --> 01:34:40,180
I don't believe all this voter fraud

2426
01:34:40,180 --> 01:34:42,180
that they say

2427
01:34:42,180 --> 01:34:44,180
I don't believe it

2428
01:34:44,180 --> 01:34:46,180
it's legit

2429
01:34:46,180 --> 01:34:48,180
bring your ballots back

2430
01:34:48,180 --> 01:34:50,180
vote here in the office with it

2431
01:34:50,180 --> 01:34:52,180
or vote absentee

2432
01:34:52,180 --> 01:34:54,180
you don't have to be sick anymore

2433
01:34:54,180 --> 01:34:56,180
to vote absentee

2434
01:34:56,180 --> 01:34:58,180
you don't need an excuse

2435
01:34:58,180 --> 01:35:00,180
that's what people voted

2436
01:35:00,180 --> 01:35:02,180
they literally had

2437
01:35:02,180 --> 01:35:04,180
I want to know where you got those numbers

2438
01:35:04,180 --> 01:35:06,180
I'll send it to you

2439
01:35:06,180 --> 01:35:08,180
the other thing is

2440
01:35:08,180 --> 01:35:10,180
tax bills have been mailed

2441
01:35:10,180 --> 01:35:12,180
bring them back

2442
01:35:12,180 --> 01:35:14,180
mail them back at least two weeks ahead of time

2443
01:35:14,180 --> 01:35:16,180
make sure they get here

2444
01:35:16,180 --> 01:35:18,689
or put them in the drop box

2445
01:35:18,689 --> 01:35:20,689
because the mail we get

2446
01:35:20,689 --> 01:35:23,939
you don't know where they went

2447
01:35:23,939 --> 01:35:26,199
okay

2448
01:35:26,199 --> 01:35:28,960
permits

2449
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,189
old business

2450
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:33,189
you asked about

2451
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:35,189
permits versus assessment

2452
01:35:35,189 --> 01:35:37,920
so

2453
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,239
the questions I had to ask

2454
01:35:40,239 --> 01:35:42,310
are what gets taxed

2455
01:35:42,310 --> 01:35:44,659
oh yes

2456
01:35:44,659 --> 01:35:46,659
well

2457
01:35:46,659 --> 01:35:51,989
the town can set

2458
01:35:51,989 --> 01:35:53,989
I certainly

2459
01:35:53,989 --> 01:35:55,989
you don't have to answer

2460
01:35:55,989 --> 01:35:57,989
the question

2461
01:35:57,989 --> 01:35:59,989
kind of

2462
01:35:59,989 --> 01:36:01,989
I mean you got to tax buildings

2463
01:36:01,989 --> 01:36:03,989
but does the town want to tax

2464
01:36:03,989 --> 01:36:05,989
the dog house the sheds

2465
01:36:05,989 --> 01:36:07,989
it's up to the town

2466
01:36:07,989 --> 01:36:09,989
okay

2467
01:36:09,989 --> 01:36:11,989
but does it never say

2468
01:36:11,989 --> 01:36:14,399
it's up to them

2469
01:36:14,399 --> 01:36:16,399
well when it comes to

2470
01:36:16,399 --> 01:36:18,399
right

2471
01:36:18,399 --> 01:36:20,399
if it adds value to the building

2472
01:36:20,399 --> 01:36:22,399
like a great big beautiful

2473
01:36:22,399 --> 01:36:24,399
party shed

2474
01:36:24,399 --> 01:36:26,399
does that add value to your property

2475
01:36:26,399 --> 01:36:28,399
it could leave with the person that

2476
01:36:28,399 --> 01:36:30,439
sells the house

2477
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,439
maybe not

2478
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:34,439
so there you go

2479
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:36,439
is that the whole point of our conversation

2480
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:38,439
was to make things less subjective

2481
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,439
right

2482
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:42,439
it's not

2483
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:44,439
because never a kid can pretty much do what they want

2484
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:46,470
how is that even possible

2485
01:36:46,470 --> 01:36:48,470
there's people

2486
01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:50,470
to do what we want them to do

2487
01:36:50,470 --> 01:36:52,470
which is

2488
01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:54,470
and if we say you do not tax chicken coops

2489
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:56,470
you have a beautiful chicken coop

2490
01:36:56,470 --> 01:36:58,470
and I have a crappy chicken coop

2491
01:36:58,470 --> 01:37:00,470
don't tax them

2492
01:37:00,470 --> 01:37:02,470
well I'm not so sure that

2493
01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:04,470
I'm not so sure that it's that

2494
01:37:04,470 --> 01:37:06,470
simple because

2495
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:08,470
of course not

2496
01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:10,470
if they are

2497
01:37:10,470 --> 01:37:12,470
if they would be like an appraiser

2498
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:14,470
which in essence they are appraisers

2499
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:16,470
right

2500
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:18,470
so yeah but appraisers

2501
01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:20,470
appraisers are licensed

2502
01:37:20,470 --> 01:37:22,470
individuals

2503
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:24,470
that have a set of standards

2504
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:26,470
that they must follow

2505
01:37:26,470 --> 01:37:28,470
they have a check box

2506
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:30,470
but if we say in our

2507
01:37:30,470 --> 01:37:32,470
in your check box

2508
01:37:32,470 --> 01:37:34,470
that dog coops are zero

2509
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:36,470
we don't know what the value is

2510
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:38,470
it's just interesting

2511
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:40,470
because there's a difference between

2512
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:42,470
that Nemrick

2513
01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:44,470
saying assigning a value

2514
01:37:44,470 --> 01:37:46,470
because their job

2515
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:48,470
is to create a

2516
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:50,470
valuation

2517
01:37:50,470 --> 01:37:52,470
you're talking about

2518
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:54,470
taxing whether you want to tax something

2519
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:56,470
or not whether it has value

2520
01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:58,500
for taxes

2521
01:37:58,500 --> 01:38:00,500
and I'm not even though

2522
01:38:00,500 --> 01:38:02,500
you're saying

2523
01:38:02,500 --> 01:38:04,500
I'm not sure they are the same

2524
01:38:04,500 --> 01:38:06,500
if a roof

2525
01:38:06,500 --> 01:38:08,500
is in a different condition

2526
01:38:08,500 --> 01:38:10,500
they have

2527
01:38:10,500 --> 01:38:12,500
all roofs are taxable

2528
01:38:12,500 --> 01:38:14,500
but one tax

2529
01:38:14,500 --> 01:38:16,500
the value becomes more

2530
01:38:16,500 --> 01:38:18,500
because of the brand of the roof

2531
01:38:18,500 --> 01:38:20,500
but if we say that dog

2532
01:38:20,500 --> 01:38:22,500
coops are exempt from the value

2533
01:38:22,500 --> 01:38:24,949
of the home

2534
01:38:24,949 --> 01:38:26,949
we don't want you to put in a

2535
01:38:26,949 --> 01:38:28,949
bag for dog coops

2536
01:38:28,949 --> 01:38:30,949
or swing sets

2537
01:38:30,949 --> 01:38:32,949
or chicken coops

2538
01:38:32,949 --> 01:38:34,949
we don't want you to put a value in it

2539
01:38:34,949 --> 01:38:36,949
for the horse barn

2540
01:38:36,949 --> 01:38:38,949
that's different

2541
01:38:38,949 --> 01:38:40,949
although we don't charge for a permit

2542
01:38:40,949 --> 01:38:43,079
for the horse barn

2543
01:38:43,079 --> 01:38:45,079
that is a value

2544
01:38:45,079 --> 01:38:47,079
we've seen some beautiful horse barns

2545
01:38:47,079 --> 01:38:49,079
but the permit taxed differently

2546
01:38:49,079 --> 01:38:51,079
because it's a farm

2547
01:38:51,079 --> 01:38:53,079
I don't know

2548
01:38:53,079 --> 01:38:55,079
it's valuable

2549
01:38:55,079 --> 01:38:57,079
there should be a size period

2550
01:38:57,079 --> 01:38:59,079
no matter what it is

2551
01:38:59,079 --> 01:39:01,079
I like that too

2552
01:39:01,079 --> 01:39:03,079
I do

2553
01:39:03,079 --> 01:39:05,079
I know I go to the extremes

2554
01:39:05,079 --> 01:39:07,079
and it sounds crazy

2555
01:39:07,079 --> 01:39:09,079
but there is no minimum

2556
01:39:09,079 --> 01:39:11,079
so when we go to

2557
01:39:11,079 --> 01:39:13,079
that what was it

2558
01:39:13,079 --> 01:39:15,079
300 square feet

2559
01:39:15,079 --> 01:39:17,079
that's what we stop

2560
01:39:17,079 --> 01:39:19,079
the permitting cycle

2561
01:39:19,079 --> 01:39:21,079
but we don't stop the $15

2562
01:39:21,079 --> 01:39:23,079
we still want the permit

2563
01:39:23,079 --> 01:39:25,079
to notify

2564
01:39:25,079 --> 01:39:27,079
where it's going to be

2565
01:39:27,079 --> 01:39:29,079
a structure is anything that's built

2566
01:39:29,079 --> 01:39:31,079
right

2567
01:39:31,079 --> 01:39:33,079
is a birdhouse of structure

2568
01:39:33,079 --> 01:39:35,079
what I'm asking

2569
01:39:35,079 --> 01:39:37,079
is that considered structure

2570
01:39:37,079 --> 01:39:39,079
and if I make the birdhouse out of

2571
01:39:39,079 --> 01:39:41,079
bronze

2572
01:39:41,079 --> 01:39:43,079
it's worth more than

2573
01:39:43,079 --> 01:39:45,079
your 300 square foot

2574
01:39:45,079 --> 01:39:47,079
so we did look up the permitted uses

2575
01:39:47,079 --> 01:39:49,079
and it says anything that encloses

2576
01:39:49,079 --> 01:39:51,079
equipment

2577
01:39:51,079 --> 01:39:53,079
vehicles or animals

2578
01:39:53,079 --> 01:39:55,079
requires a permit

2579
01:39:55,079 --> 01:39:57,079
I had a really nice dog kennel

2580
01:39:57,079 --> 01:39:59,079
it was really nice

2581
01:39:59,079 --> 01:40:01,079
there's a beautiful chicken coop

2582
01:40:01,079 --> 01:40:03,079
up the road here

2583
01:40:03,079 --> 01:40:05,079
that's nice

2584
01:40:05,079 --> 01:40:07,079
it's beautiful

2585
01:40:07,079 --> 01:40:09,079
she paid for the permit

2586
01:40:09,079 --> 01:40:11,079
that was perfect

2587
01:40:11,079 --> 01:40:13,079
$15

2588
01:40:13,079 --> 01:40:15,079
I think it was

2589
01:40:15,079 --> 01:40:17,079
yeah

2590
01:40:17,079 --> 01:40:19,079
and it's bigger than 300 square foot

2591
01:40:19,079 --> 01:40:21,079
so it's all

2592
01:40:21,079 --> 01:40:23,079
I don't want

2593
01:40:23,079 --> 01:40:25,079
I'm in agreement with Chad

2594
01:40:25,079 --> 01:40:27,079
I don't want to make it harder

2595
01:40:27,079 --> 01:40:29,079
I want to make it easier

2596
01:40:29,079 --> 01:40:31,079
and I want to make Doug's job easier

2597
01:40:31,079 --> 01:40:33,079
we're not going after

2598
01:40:33,079 --> 01:40:35,079
that's what pisses me off

2599
01:40:35,079 --> 01:40:37,079
is when someone gets a permit for a doghouse

2600
01:40:37,079 --> 01:40:39,079
and they're living in it

2601
01:40:39,079 --> 01:40:41,079
because they built it as big as this room

2602
01:40:41,079 --> 01:40:43,079
or a garage and they're living in it

2603
01:40:43,079 --> 01:40:45,079
because they got sewer and water hooked

2604
01:40:45,079 --> 01:40:47,079
in a garage

2605
01:40:47,079 --> 01:40:49,079
and they got a garage door on it

2606
01:40:49,079 --> 01:40:51,079
but then everybody else is watching in the back door

2607
01:40:51,079 --> 01:40:53,079
and they're watching TV when I go by

2608
01:40:53,079 --> 01:40:55,079
those are things that bother me

2609
01:40:55,079 --> 01:40:57,079
that's why they recommend

2610
01:40:57,079 --> 01:40:59,079
they get a permit for everything

2611
01:40:59,079 --> 01:41:01,079
so that we don't have that game

2612
01:41:01,079 --> 01:41:03,079
but everybody wants a birdhouse

2613
01:41:03,079 --> 01:41:05,079
and nobody's living in that

2614
01:41:05,079 --> 01:41:07,079
I don't think we should have

2615
01:41:07,079 --> 01:41:09,489
permits for sheds

2616
01:41:09,489 --> 01:41:11,489
under 300 square foot

2617
01:41:11,489 --> 01:41:13,489
under 300 square foot

2618
01:41:13,489 --> 01:41:15,489
so if there's no

2619
01:41:15,489 --> 01:41:17,489
if there's no permit

2620
01:41:17,489 --> 01:41:19,489
then we wouldn't know about it

2621
01:41:19,489 --> 01:41:22,229
and it wouldn't be assessed

2622
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:24,229
until it busts

2623
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:26,229
it will under 6 years

2624
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:28,229
are you telling me that that dog hoop

2625
01:41:28,229 --> 01:41:30,229
or that shed

2626
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:32,229
is going to take a $500,000 house

2627
01:41:32,229 --> 01:41:34,229
and put it at any number

2628
01:41:34,229 --> 01:41:36,229
that passes or doesn't matter

2629
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:38,229
it might add a $1.50 a year

2630
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:40,229
but we're losing money

2631
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:42,229
on the assessor to go and assess that

2632
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:44,229
to get

2633
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:46,229
I don't know 10,000

2634
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:48,229
that's what I'm saying

2635
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:50,229
we don't know anything

2636
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:52,229
under 300 square foot

2637
01:41:52,229 --> 01:41:54,229
don't bother with it

2638
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:56,229
well people need to know

2639
01:41:56,229 --> 01:41:58,229
setbacks still apply

2640
01:41:58,229 --> 01:42:00,229
so if a neighbor complains

2641
01:42:00,229 --> 01:42:02,229
yes

2642
01:42:02,229 --> 01:42:04,229
if the county is involved in that

2643
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:06,229
you can't throw a car

2644
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:08,229
on a neighbor's property

2645
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:10,229
right

2646
01:42:10,229 --> 01:42:12,229
I was told by the state

2647
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:14,289
my son was selling his truck

2648
01:42:14,289 --> 01:42:16,289
he broke the sign

2649
01:42:16,289 --> 01:42:18,289
and put it in the ground

2650
01:42:18,289 --> 01:42:20,289
in front of the truck

2651
01:42:20,289 --> 01:42:22,289
the state was down there

2652
01:42:22,289 --> 01:42:24,289
I'm going to work

2653
01:42:24,289 --> 01:42:26,289
I stopped

2654
01:42:26,289 --> 01:42:28,420
and I said what are you doing

2655
01:42:28,420 --> 01:42:30,420
he says you can't have the sign here

2656
01:42:30,420 --> 01:42:32,420
but if he puts it on the truck

2657
01:42:32,420 --> 01:42:34,420
that close to the sign

2658
01:42:34,420 --> 01:42:36,420
you can't have it

2659
01:42:36,420 --> 01:42:38,420
so there are rules

2660
01:42:38,420 --> 01:42:40,420
that's just the way it is

2661
01:42:40,420 --> 01:42:42,420
yeah

2662
01:42:42,420 --> 01:42:44,420
you can have two signs

2663
01:42:44,420 --> 01:42:47,029
vote for

2664
01:42:47,029 --> 01:42:49,029
go off the road

2665
01:42:49,029 --> 01:42:51,029
they're gone

2666
01:42:51,029 --> 01:42:53,029
you technically can't have them

2667
01:42:53,029 --> 01:42:55,029
in Vermont anyways

2668
01:42:55,029 --> 01:42:57,029
because it's considered a billboard

2669
01:42:57,029 --> 01:42:59,029
why does Stan Potkin get to leave

2670
01:42:59,029 --> 01:43:01,029
his sign up on

2671
01:43:01,029 --> 01:43:03,029
that's not on a state

2672
01:43:03,029 --> 01:43:05,029
that's on a town road

2673
01:43:05,029 --> 01:43:07,029
why is the property there

2674
01:43:07,029 --> 01:43:09,029
Dan didn't put them up

2675
01:43:09,029 --> 01:43:11,029
you know that

2676
01:43:11,029 --> 01:43:13,029
but yeah

2677
01:43:13,029 --> 01:43:15,029
that's kind of a humorous thing

2678
01:43:15,029 --> 01:43:17,319
to go by there

2679
01:43:17,319 --> 01:43:19,319
so if you think about

2680
01:43:19,319 --> 01:43:21,319
not having permits

2681
01:43:21,319 --> 01:43:23,319
for 300 or less

2682
01:43:23,319 --> 01:43:25,319
can you waive the setbacks

2683
01:43:25,319 --> 01:43:27,319
for 300 or less

2684
01:43:27,319 --> 01:43:29,319
how can you police that

2685
01:43:29,319 --> 01:43:31,319
that's what we were just saying

2686
01:43:31,319 --> 01:43:33,319
if the neighbor complains

2687
01:43:33,319 --> 01:43:35,319
I don't mind

2688
01:43:35,319 --> 01:43:37,319
whatever he does

2689
01:43:37,319 --> 01:43:39,319
yeah but okay

2690
01:43:39,319 --> 01:43:41,439
but should the town

2691
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:43,439
so if you're saying

2692
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:45,439
that you don't need a permit

2693
01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:47,439
for a shed

2694
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:49,439
and you don't want to be involved in it

2695
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:51,439
and it's civil

2696
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:53,439
I mean it's almost like

2697
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:55,439
you're contributing to some a-hole

2698
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:57,439
who puts his shed

2699
01:43:57,439 --> 01:43:59,439
on someone else's property

2700
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,439
and then making that poor bastard sit

2701
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:03,439
not on someone else's property

2702
01:44:03,439 --> 01:44:05,439
because the guy who does it anyways

2703
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:07,439
owns it

2704
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:09,439
no one is condoning

2705
01:44:09,439 --> 01:44:11,439
putting anything on someone else's property

2706
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:13,439
I'm saying

2707
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:15,439
if your kids want to build a tree house

2708
01:44:15,439 --> 01:44:17,439
that's in the woods

2709
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:19,439
on a property line

2710
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:21,439
and the neighbor says

2711
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:23,439
I don't care

2712
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:25,829
why should the town get involved in that

2713
01:44:25,829 --> 01:44:27,829
you know what I mean

2714
01:44:27,829 --> 01:44:29,829
you know where all the property lines are in town

2715
01:44:29,829 --> 01:44:31,829
nope

2716
01:44:31,829 --> 01:44:33,829
that's what I'm saying

2717
01:44:33,829 --> 01:44:35,829
the state doesn't even know

2718
01:44:35,829 --> 01:44:37,829
I mean I've got 40 acres

2719
01:44:37,829 --> 01:44:39,829
and 17 now

2720
01:44:39,829 --> 01:44:41,829
they got mine wrong too

2721
01:44:41,829 --> 01:44:43,829
and I didn't care at the time

2722
01:44:43,829 --> 01:44:45,829
when I came out

2723
01:44:45,829 --> 01:44:47,829
I was just like I don't want to deal with it

2724
01:44:47,829 --> 01:44:49,829
but now it irritates me

2725
01:44:49,829 --> 01:44:51,829
I paid $7,000 for a survey

2726
01:44:51,829 --> 01:44:53,829
to prove the town

2727
01:44:53,829 --> 01:44:55,829
to find out that the town

2728
01:44:55,829 --> 01:44:57,829
not the town

2729
01:44:57,829 --> 01:44:59,829
the state was correct

2730
01:44:59,829 --> 01:45:01,890
and the town's deeds were wrong

2731
01:45:01,890 --> 01:45:03,890
$7,000 survey

2732
01:45:03,890 --> 01:45:06,850
that was quoted at $5,000

2733
01:45:06,850 --> 01:45:08,850
okay

2734
01:45:08,850 --> 01:45:10,850
so

2735
01:45:10,850 --> 01:45:12,850
nothing is really black and white

2736
01:45:12,850 --> 01:45:14,850
we're kind of back where we were

2737
01:45:14,850 --> 01:45:16,850
and we can't really change anything yet

2738
01:45:16,850 --> 01:45:18,850
until we change the zoning bylaws

2739
01:45:18,850 --> 01:45:20,850
I have a question

2740
01:45:20,850 --> 01:45:22,850
if we're saying

2741
01:45:22,850 --> 01:45:24,850
I don't think we made a decision

2742
01:45:24,850 --> 01:45:26,850
I don't think so

2743
01:45:26,850 --> 01:45:28,850
if you were going to say

2744
01:45:28,850 --> 01:45:30,850
we still need a $15 recording fee

2745
01:45:30,850 --> 01:45:33,039
so that we at least have it

2746
01:45:33,039 --> 01:45:35,039
please don't make me put up a fee

2747
01:45:35,039 --> 01:45:37,039
for every shed

2748
01:45:37,039 --> 01:45:39,039
again

2749
01:45:39,039 --> 01:45:41,039
so back to letting the town know

2750
01:45:41,039 --> 01:45:43,039
that these things exist

2751
01:45:43,039 --> 01:45:45,039
and so I say

2752
01:45:45,039 --> 01:45:47,039
if we're going to do that

2753
01:45:47,039 --> 01:45:49,039
so you come down here $15 fee

2754
01:45:49,039 --> 01:45:51,039
that's where it ends

2755
01:45:51,039 --> 01:45:53,039
that's where it should end

2756
01:45:53,039 --> 01:45:55,039
and then if my next door neighbor

2757
01:45:55,039 --> 01:45:57,039
has a problem where I put it

2758
01:45:57,039 --> 01:45:59,039
then we have a record of what was going on

2759
01:45:59,039 --> 01:46:01,039
and where it should have been

2760
01:46:01,039 --> 01:46:03,039
so then we can have some recourse for it

2761
01:46:03,039 --> 01:46:05,039
but if we don't have this piece of paper

2762
01:46:05,039 --> 01:46:07,039
there's no way it becomes a huge mess

2763
01:46:07,039 --> 01:46:10,289
right

2764
01:46:10,289 --> 01:46:12,289
I feel like

2765
01:46:12,289 --> 01:46:14,289
because nobody takes them down

2766
01:46:14,289 --> 01:46:16,289
I know

2767
01:46:16,289 --> 01:46:18,289
I take them down so I can put them on my land

2768
01:46:18,289 --> 01:46:20,449
and nobody knows

2769
01:46:20,449 --> 01:46:22,449
but isn't that part of the law

2770
01:46:22,449 --> 01:46:24,449
that you're supposed to put up a fee

2771
01:46:24,449 --> 01:46:26,449
if you have a permit

2772
01:46:26,449 --> 01:46:28,449
but a $15 recording fee

2773
01:46:28,449 --> 01:46:30,449
but it's only a notice

2774
01:46:30,449 --> 01:46:32,449
it's a notice of a building

2775
01:46:32,449 --> 01:46:34,449
right

2776
01:46:34,449 --> 01:46:36,449
I think it's good for us

2777
01:46:36,449 --> 01:46:38,449
to have the money

2778
01:46:38,449 --> 01:46:40,449
to go down

2779
01:46:40,449 --> 01:46:42,840
but for her to actually go down

2780
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:44,840
and do all that kind of stuff

2781
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:46,840
where the house could we like

2782
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:48,840
post it down here somewhere

2783
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:50,840
like yeah he's got a permit here

2784
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:52,840
well I post it here

2785
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:54,840
like I do the actual

2786
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:56,840
hearing

2787
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:58,840
because she's getting into the same thing

2788
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:00,840
I mean I know

2789
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:02,840
oh no I don't put it on

2790
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:04,840
I don't go onto this property

2791
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:06,840
unless they know I'm coming

2792
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:08,840
it goes on the telephone

2793
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:10,840
or a tree

2794
01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:12,840
there is no

2795
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:14,840
I mean it might be a brand new

2796
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:16,840
structure

2797
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:18,840
we're back to you

2798
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:20,840
the only thing I think we actually need to do

2799
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:22,840
with this

2800
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:24,840
is the size

2801
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:26,840
but then it goes down to

2802
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:28,840
the planning commission situation

2803
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:30,840
that it needs to state in the rules

2804
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:32,840
for our bylaws

2805
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:34,840
that

2806
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:36,840
we would like you to sign off

2807
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:38,840
fill out the permit

2808
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:40,840
applications

2809
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:42,840
pay your fifteen dollars

2810
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:44,840
so we know what's going on

2811
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:46,840
but that's where it stops

2812
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:49,920
so that anyone who picks up our bylaws

2813
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:52,149
knows what's going on

2814
01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:54,149
because the way I see it

2815
01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:56,149
you can read them

2816
01:47:56,149 --> 01:47:58,149
and what I think is totally different

2817
01:47:58,149 --> 01:48:00,149
than what she thinks

2818
01:48:00,149 --> 01:48:02,149
and what you think

2819
01:48:02,149 --> 01:48:04,149
so if it just says

2820
01:48:04,149 --> 01:48:06,760
if it's this shed

2821
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:08,760
I think it just needs to become simple

2822
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:10,760
and I think

2823
01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:12,760
well I think we should do the

2824
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:14,760
300 square foot

2825
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:16,760
but if somebody has a bird house

2826
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:18,760
and it's awesome

2827
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:20,760
we don't worry about it

2828
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:22,760
you brought up

2829
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:24,760
the bird house

2830
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:26,760
only because

2831
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:28,760
I like to go to extremes and show

2832
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:30,760
that we don't have that

2833
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:32,760
so if there's a

2834
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:34,760
we can go all the way up to the

2835
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:36,760
400 square foot building

2836
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:38,760
or the 100 square foot shed

2837
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:40,760
there's some small sheds out there

2838
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:42,760
if you buy it at Walmart

2839
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:44,760
you stick it up on the thing

2840
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:46,760
you can blast it once

2841
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:48,760
it's craziness

2842
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:50,760
like you said

2843
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:52,760
can I pick it up

2844
01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:54,760
well you have machines

2845
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:56,760
and I have machines

2846
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:58,760
that can pick up big buildings

2847
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:00,760
so I can pick it up

2848
01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:02,760
put it on the trailer

2849
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:04,760
and away it goes

2850
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:06,850
so it's movable

2851
01:49:06,850 --> 01:49:09,140
what if there's not a concrete foundation

2852
01:49:09,140 --> 01:49:11,140
that's attached to it

2853
01:49:11,140 --> 01:49:13,140
you're not going to move it

2854
01:49:13,140 --> 01:49:15,140
ok so

2855
01:49:15,140 --> 01:49:17,140
are you going to say

2856
01:49:17,140 --> 01:49:19,140
we're not taxing anything under

2857
01:49:19,140 --> 01:49:21,140
100 square feet

2858
01:49:21,140 --> 01:49:23,140
or 300 square feet

2859
01:49:23,140 --> 01:49:25,140
300 or less

2860
01:49:25,140 --> 01:49:27,140
under 300

2861
01:49:27,140 --> 01:49:29,140
under 300 not taxed

2862
01:49:29,140 --> 01:49:31,140
now

2863
01:49:31,140 --> 01:49:33,140
does that have to be in our zoning bylaws

2864
01:49:33,140 --> 01:49:35,140
I don't think so

2865
01:49:35,140 --> 01:49:37,140
no tax

2866
01:49:37,140 --> 01:49:39,140
oh tax

2867
01:49:39,140 --> 01:49:41,140
so do we make that

2868
01:49:41,140 --> 01:49:43,140
but when we do

2869
01:49:43,140 --> 01:49:45,140
when we read through the bylaws

2870
01:49:45,140 --> 01:49:47,140
I agree with Ken

2871
01:49:47,140 --> 01:49:49,140
we should definitely

2872
01:49:49,140 --> 01:49:51,140
make it easy for people to understand

2873
01:49:51,140 --> 01:49:53,140
when you open up a bylaw

2874
01:49:53,140 --> 01:49:55,140
and you know Pam

2875
01:49:55,140 --> 01:49:57,140
remember the old bylaws

2876
01:49:57,140 --> 01:49:59,140
you might as well have talked in a different language

2877
01:49:59,140 --> 01:50:01,140
no

2878
01:50:01,140 --> 01:50:03,140
the way they were talking about it

2879
01:50:03,140 --> 01:50:05,140
and we're trying to figure out

2880
01:50:05,140 --> 01:50:07,140
how you can make them readable

2881
01:50:07,140 --> 01:50:09,140
they are so unreadable

2882
01:50:09,140 --> 01:50:11,140
the average Joe

2883
01:50:11,140 --> 01:50:13,140
can't make any sense of them

2884
01:50:13,140 --> 01:50:15,140
they're so confusing

2885
01:50:15,140 --> 01:50:17,140
and I don't know the answer

2886
01:50:17,140 --> 01:50:19,140
but there has to be a way

2887
01:50:19,140 --> 01:50:21,140
to write them better

2888
01:50:21,140 --> 01:50:23,140
so that anyone should be able

2889
01:50:23,140 --> 01:50:25,140
anyone should be able to move into town

2890
01:50:25,140 --> 01:50:27,140
and pick up our bylaws

2891
01:50:27,140 --> 01:50:29,140
and if they have any good intelligence at all

2892
01:50:29,140 --> 01:50:31,140
read them

2893
01:50:31,140 --> 01:50:33,140
and really have a good idea

2894
01:50:33,140 --> 01:50:35,140
right now you would just

2895
01:50:35,140 --> 01:50:37,140
your head would be spinning

2896
01:50:37,140 --> 01:50:39,140
what is this

2897
01:50:39,140 --> 01:50:41,140
I have no idea

2898
01:50:41,140 --> 01:50:43,140
it's crazy

2899
01:50:43,140 --> 01:50:45,140
it's sunny on a Sunday

2900
01:50:45,140 --> 01:50:47,140
we don't have that much in this town

2901
01:50:47,140 --> 01:50:49,140
how can it be so damn complicated

2902
01:50:49,140 --> 01:50:51,140
it's not like we have

2903
01:50:51,140 --> 01:50:53,140
city waters and sewers

2904
01:50:53,140 --> 01:50:55,140
I call up Lori

2905
01:50:55,140 --> 01:50:57,140
and I'm like alright Lori

2906
01:50:57,140 --> 01:50:59,140
let's talk this one through

2907
01:50:59,140 --> 01:51:01,140
and it shouldn't be that

2908
01:51:01,140 --> 01:51:03,140
there's something wrong

2909
01:51:03,140 --> 01:51:05,140
when it's that complicated

2910
01:51:05,140 --> 01:51:07,140
you can't tell me there's not

2911
01:51:07,140 --> 01:51:09,140
it's not complicated

2912
01:51:09,140 --> 01:51:11,140
it doesn't make sense

2913
01:51:11,140 --> 01:51:13,140
it's complicated

2914
01:51:13,140 --> 01:51:15,140
it means you have to have a certain mind

2915
01:51:15,140 --> 01:51:17,140
you have to have intelligence

2916
01:51:17,140 --> 01:51:19,140
when you have intelligence

2917
01:51:19,140 --> 01:51:21,140
you still can't understand it

2918
01:51:21,140 --> 01:51:23,140
it's just like you feel like it's a ping pong ball

2919
01:51:23,140 --> 01:51:25,140
it's like okay

2920
01:51:25,140 --> 01:51:27,140
hold on let me go back to this section

2921
01:51:27,140 --> 01:51:29,140
oh my god

2922
01:51:29,140 --> 01:51:31,140
primitive camps

2923
01:51:31,140 --> 01:51:33,140
conditional use

2924
01:51:33,140 --> 01:51:35,140
remember we've got them here

2925
01:51:35,140 --> 01:51:37,140
and we have them there

2926
01:51:37,140 --> 01:51:39,140
but they're not in this section

2927
01:51:39,140 --> 01:51:41,140
a primitive camp can have an outhouse

2928
01:51:41,140 --> 01:51:43,140
if you say you can't

2929
01:51:43,140 --> 01:51:45,140
that was the problem

2930
01:51:45,140 --> 01:51:47,140
it didn't say you can't

2931
01:51:47,140 --> 01:51:49,140
so we're going to try to fix that

2932
01:51:49,140 --> 01:51:51,140
I mean that's a thing

2933
01:51:51,140 --> 01:51:53,140
that has to

2934
01:51:53,140 --> 01:51:55,140
I shouldn't be too deep

2935
01:51:55,140 --> 01:51:57,140
but with today's technology

2936
01:51:57,140 --> 01:51:59,140
a lot of these sewer situations

2937
01:51:59,140 --> 01:52:01,140
I mean

2938
01:52:01,140 --> 01:52:03,140
they have these burning

2939
01:52:03,140 --> 01:52:05,140
sewer things now for camps

2940
01:52:05,140 --> 01:52:07,140
they're amazing

2941
01:52:07,140 --> 01:52:09,140
you literally push a button

2942
01:52:09,140 --> 01:52:11,140
and a 12 volt battery

2943
01:52:11,140 --> 01:52:13,140
turns it

2944
01:52:13,140 --> 01:52:15,140
you take the ash

2945
01:52:15,140 --> 01:52:17,140
you put it in your tomato plants

2946
01:52:17,140 --> 01:52:19,140
it's this much

2947
01:52:19,140 --> 01:52:21,140
for a whole weekend

2948
01:52:21,140 --> 01:52:23,140
why is there an orange

2949
01:52:23,140 --> 01:52:25,140
or one with a tomato plant

2950
01:52:25,140 --> 01:52:27,140
exactly

2951
01:52:27,140 --> 01:52:29,140
you realize that

2952
01:52:29,140 --> 01:52:31,140
you really can't do that

2953
01:52:31,140 --> 01:52:33,140
you realize that that's why

2954
01:52:33,140 --> 01:52:35,140
the PFAS

2955
01:52:35,140 --> 01:52:37,140
that's why there's an issue

2956
01:52:37,140 --> 01:52:39,140
with spreading the sludge

2957
01:52:39,140 --> 01:52:41,140
no this is not like that

2958
01:52:41,140 --> 01:52:43,140
sludge has heavy metals in it

2959
01:52:43,140 --> 01:52:45,239
and I'm pretty sure

2960
01:52:45,239 --> 01:52:47,239
that there's heavy metals

2961
01:52:47,239 --> 01:52:49,239
and stuff in your body

2962
01:52:49,239 --> 01:52:51,239
and unless

2963
01:52:51,239 --> 01:52:53,239
I'll get the paperwork

2964
01:52:53,239 --> 01:52:55,239
have you not just totally gone off

2965
01:52:55,239 --> 01:52:57,239
they probably shouldn't

2966
01:52:57,239 --> 01:52:59,239
be putting that on

2967
01:52:59,239 --> 01:53:01,239
tomato plants

2968
01:53:01,239 --> 01:53:03,239
it came from me

2969
01:53:03,239 --> 01:53:05,239
okay

2970
01:53:05,239 --> 01:53:07,239
alright let's move on

2971
01:53:07,239 --> 01:53:09,239
let's go to Mike's house

2972
01:53:09,239 --> 01:53:11,239
alright

2973
01:53:11,239 --> 01:53:13,560
any other new business

2974
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:15,560
no

2975
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:17,560
I'd like to have a motion

2976
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:19,560
to go into executive discussion

2977
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:21,560
oh and one other thing

2978
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:23,750
dogs

2979
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:25,750
have we heard anything yet

2980
01:53:25,750 --> 01:53:27,750
from the dog people

2981
01:53:27,750 --> 01:53:29,750
we have not heard anyone

2982
01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:31,750
who received this letter of fines

2983
01:53:31,750 --> 01:53:33,750
I did license one dog

2984
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:35,750
today

2985
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:37,750
a fellow came in to license

2986
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:39,750
two dogs the other day

2987
01:53:39,750 --> 01:53:41,750
I could do one because

2988
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:43,750
he did pay the fine

2989
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:45,750
the other dog I didn't have a rabies certificate

2990
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:47,750
so he's got up for

2991
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:50,359
appointment in October

2992
01:53:50,359 --> 01:53:52,359
I mean this is a slow window

2993
01:53:52,359 --> 01:53:54,359
so we're almost down there

2994
01:53:54,359 --> 01:53:56,449
the next step

2995
01:53:56,449 --> 01:53:58,449
for the fellow that doesn't pay

2996
01:53:58,449 --> 01:54:00,449
for his dogs

2997
01:54:00,449 --> 01:54:03,960
for the fine the $200

2998
01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:05,960
according to our bylaws

2999
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:08,210
I think it's

3000
01:54:08,210 --> 01:54:10,210
increased and then it goes to court

3001
01:54:10,210 --> 01:54:12,210
an increased fine

3002
01:54:12,210 --> 01:54:14,210
and then yeah

3003
01:54:14,210 --> 01:54:18,550
I don't know

3004
01:54:18,550 --> 01:54:20,680
it's crazy

3005
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:22,680
I don't know

3006
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:24,680
why would someone

3007
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:26,680
spend all that money

3008
01:54:26,680 --> 01:54:28,680
for $20

3009
01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:30,680
if they don't have the rabies

3010
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:32,680
I can see avoiding that

3011
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:34,680
but if they have the rabies shot

3012
01:54:34,680 --> 01:54:37,029
holy crap

3013
01:54:37,029 --> 01:54:39,029
get it done

3014
01:54:39,029 --> 01:54:41,029
it's not even a big deal

3015
01:54:41,029 --> 01:54:43,029
I tell you

3016
01:54:43,029 --> 01:54:45,029
rabies is up big time

3017
01:54:45,029 --> 01:54:47,029
that's a big problem

3018
01:54:47,029 --> 01:54:49,029
rabies bags are number one

3019
01:54:49,029 --> 01:54:52,020
okay so

3020
01:54:52,020 --> 01:54:54,020
we'll keep after the dogs

3021
01:54:54,020 --> 01:54:56,020
and keep watching them

3022
01:54:56,020 --> 01:54:58,020
can I ask for an update

3023
01:54:58,020 --> 01:55:00,020
before you guys go into executive session

3024
01:55:00,020 --> 01:55:02,020
can I ask for an update on the tax sale

3025
01:55:02,020 --> 01:55:04,020
has anybody come in and paid their stuff

3026
01:55:04,020 --> 01:55:06,020
what's going on

3027
01:55:06,020 --> 01:55:08,020
we've had several properties come off the list

3028
01:55:08,020 --> 01:55:10,020
I think we're down to two

3029
01:55:10,020 --> 01:55:12,020
at this point

3030
01:55:12,020 --> 01:55:14,020
can you tell us which two

3031
01:55:14,020 --> 01:55:16,020
we should know

3032
01:55:16,020 --> 01:55:18,020
yeah they're out there

3033
01:55:18,020 --> 01:55:20,180
first one is

3034
01:55:20,180 --> 01:55:22,180
and

3035
01:55:22,180 --> 01:55:24,180
second one

3036
01:55:24,180 --> 01:55:26,180
all the other ones have been taken care of

3037
01:55:26,180 --> 01:55:28,180
and

3038
01:55:28,180 --> 01:55:30,439
okay

3039
01:55:30,439 --> 01:55:32,439
so which one

3040
01:55:32,439 --> 01:55:34,439
well

3041
01:55:34,439 --> 01:55:36,439
oh yeah

3042
01:55:36,439 --> 01:55:40,550
and

3043
01:55:40,550 --> 01:55:42,550
okay

3044
01:55:42,550 --> 01:55:44,550
now do they pay it in full

3045
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:46,550
or do they just pay a portion

3046
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:48,550
that keeps them off

3047
01:55:48,550 --> 01:55:50,550
how does that work

3048
01:55:50,550 --> 01:55:52,550
they pay the whole thing in full

3049
01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:54,550
tax, penalty, interest, the attorney's fees

3050
01:55:54,550 --> 01:55:56,550
the cost of the sale, the publication

3051
01:55:56,550 --> 01:55:58,550
everything

3052
01:55:58,550 --> 01:56:00,550
that's worse than the dog deal

3053
01:56:00,550 --> 01:56:02,550
that's another dumb thing

3054
01:56:02,550 --> 01:56:04,550
it's like you had the money to pay

3055
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:06,550
I had a gentleman one time tell me

3056
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:08,550
I do it because I like to mess with you

3057
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:10,550
you mess with yourself

3058
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:12,550
that's so stupid

3059
01:56:12,550 --> 01:56:14,550
they didn't have the money

3060
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:16,550
they had to go to borrow

3061
01:56:16,550 --> 01:56:18,550
they had to go find Peter to pay for all

3062
01:56:18,550 --> 01:56:20,550
I have a question

3063
01:56:20,550 --> 01:56:22,609
on

3064
01:56:22,609 --> 01:56:24,609
St. Bosco Church

3065
01:56:24,609 --> 01:56:26,770
has that been resolved yet

3066
01:56:26,770 --> 01:56:28,770
I know there was a cloud on the title

3067
01:56:28,770 --> 01:56:30,770
for it

3068
01:56:30,770 --> 01:56:32,770
the diocese

3069
01:56:32,770 --> 01:56:34,770
is claiming

3070
01:56:34,770 --> 01:56:36,770
it's still on

3071
01:56:36,770 --> 01:56:38,770
which

3072
01:56:38,770 --> 01:56:40,770
that moves to me

3073
01:56:40,770 --> 01:56:42,770
I don't

3074
01:56:42,770 --> 01:56:44,770
I heard the same thing

3075
01:56:44,770 --> 01:56:46,770
but it makes no sense

3076
01:56:46,770 --> 01:56:48,770
how did UNC

3077
01:56:48,770 --> 01:56:50,770
or whatever

3078
01:56:50,770 --> 01:56:52,770
how did they close on it

3079
01:56:52,770 --> 01:56:54,770
if there was a cloud on the title

3080
01:56:54,770 --> 01:56:57,350
I'd like to

3081
01:56:57,350 --> 01:56:59,350
I don't know

3082
01:56:59,350 --> 01:57:01,350
all I know is Aaron can't buy it

3083
01:57:01,350 --> 01:57:03,350
I know

3084
01:57:03,350 --> 01:57:05,350
he can't buy it

3085
01:57:05,350 --> 01:57:07,350
from UNC

3086
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:09,350
because the diocese is still claiming

3087
01:57:09,350 --> 01:57:11,350
that they own it

3088
01:57:11,350 --> 01:57:13,350
so now they're going through the whole bankruptcy

3089
01:57:13,350 --> 01:57:15,350
and it's still on there

3090
01:57:15,350 --> 01:57:17,350
but how did UNC

3091
01:57:17,350 --> 01:57:19,350
complete the closing

3092
01:57:19,350 --> 01:57:21,350
on the title

3093
01:57:21,350 --> 01:57:23,350
the title search

3094
01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:25,350
because it was

3095
01:57:25,350 --> 01:57:27,479
yeah it's gone through

3096
01:57:27,479 --> 01:57:29,479
I mean everything on our end

3097
01:57:29,479 --> 01:57:31,479
that I know of

3098
01:57:31,479 --> 01:57:33,479
is gone through

3099
01:57:33,479 --> 01:57:35,729
and

3100
01:57:35,729 --> 01:57:37,729
there's the thing with the diocese

3101
01:57:37,729 --> 01:57:39,729
too with the bankruptcy

3102
01:57:39,729 --> 01:57:41,729
there's a protection

3103
01:57:41,729 --> 01:57:43,729
of the parishes

3104
01:57:43,729 --> 01:57:45,729
as of now

3105
01:57:45,729 --> 01:57:47,729
that the parishes are singled out

3106
01:57:47,729 --> 01:57:49,729
the diocese is here

3107
01:57:49,729 --> 01:57:51,729
the parishes aren't all singled out

3108
01:57:51,729 --> 01:57:53,729
I guess it's going to be

3109
01:57:53,729 --> 01:57:55,729
a couple of years

3110
01:57:55,729 --> 01:57:57,729
before this is

3111
01:57:57,729 --> 01:57:59,729
before this is sorted

3112
01:57:59,729 --> 01:58:01,729
because the diocese filed for chapter 11

3113
01:58:01,729 --> 01:58:03,729
so

3114
01:58:03,729 --> 01:58:05,729
so

3115
01:58:05,729 --> 01:58:07,729
so they got to come out

3116
01:58:07,729 --> 01:58:09,989
it is

3117
01:58:09,989 --> 01:58:11,989
but somebody's working down there

3118
01:58:11,989 --> 01:58:13,989
the state lifted the statute

3119
01:58:13,989 --> 01:58:15,989
I can still give a permit

3120
01:58:15,989 --> 01:58:17,989
because

3121
01:58:17,989 --> 01:58:19,989
we haven't dated it out as UNC

3122
01:58:19,989 --> 01:58:21,989
they can't transfer it to Aaron

3123
01:58:21,989 --> 01:58:23,989
so UNC is the one that will

3124
01:58:23,989 --> 01:58:25,989
have the permit

3125
01:58:25,989 --> 01:58:27,989
did you find it?

3126
01:58:27,989 --> 01:58:29,989
no I don't bring the new ones home

3127
01:58:29,989 --> 01:58:31,989
but I might have to find the same

3128
01:58:31,989 --> 01:58:33,989
let me check my file

3129
01:58:33,989 --> 01:58:35,989
but I made a comment

3130
01:58:35,989 --> 01:58:37,989
I know

3131
01:58:37,989 --> 01:58:39,989
so I wouldn't

3132
01:58:39,989 --> 01:58:41,989
you don't have to set it for money Dan

3133
01:58:41,989 --> 01:58:43,989
so we've got

3134
01:58:43,989 --> 01:58:45,989
the motion to go into executive session

3135
01:58:45,989 --> 01:58:47,989
second

3136
01:58:47,989 --> 01:58:49,989
all in favor aye into executive session

3137
01:58:49,989 --> 01:58:57,989
second

3138
01:58:57,989 --> 01:58:59,909
all those in favor

3139
01:58:59,909 --> 01:59:01,989
second

3140
01:59:01,989 --> 01:59:03,989
8

3141
01:59:03,989 --> 01:59:05,989
1

3142
01:59:05,989 --> 01:59:07,989
2

3143
01:59:07,989 --> 01:59:09,989
3

3144
01:59:09,989 --> 01:59:11,989
1

3145
01:59:11,989 --> 01:59:13,989
1

3146
01:59:13,989 --> 01:59:15,989
1

3147
01:59:15,989 --> 01:59:17,989
2

3148
01:59:17,989 --> 01:59:19,989
3