1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,809 Yes, all right, let's call the meeting to order, stand for the pledge, please. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:21,640 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 3 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:33,259 Welcome to a meeting of the Stanford Planning Commission. If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, you may do so by addressing the chairperson, stating your name and address. 4 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:41,520 Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes for comments per visitor and 15 minutes per topic. Discussions will be held in a calm and respectful manner. 5 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:52,039 Please note that all meetings are recorded and posted on YouTube, whether it be any adding or removing of items from the agenda, or any adjustments or changing the order. 6 00:01:03,109 --> 00:01:05,909 Thank you. 7 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,519 Okay, so let's move down to discussion first. 8 00:01:31,079 --> 00:01:34,870 Go ahead, do all your stuff. 9 00:01:35,010 --> 00:01:35,189 Okay. 10 00:01:37,090 --> 00:01:44,780 Okay, we're back. I feel like it's been a while, because I think we haven't seen you all since the May event. 11 00:01:46,069 --> 00:01:52,569 So I think we wanted to do a couple things. Well, first of all, I just picked up the physical surveys. 12 00:01:52,989 --> 00:01:56,069 Lori said she, Lori collected them all. 13 00:01:56,329 --> 00:01:57,730 And it sounds like Jeff. 14 00:01:57,870 --> 00:02:10,219 I counted them, and there are 28 physical responses and 25 online. So that's 53 total, which I think is pretty good for, you know, good response rate. 15 00:02:10,379 --> 00:02:11,500 Kurt said we were going to get zero. 16 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:12,599 Definitely. 17 00:02:14,060 --> 00:02:15,780 Kurt, did you put in yours? 18 00:02:17,860 --> 00:02:26,810 So we'll do some, like, analysis, but what I'll also do is send you, like, a raw spreadsheet of the raw data. 19 00:02:26,810 --> 00:02:53,930 Because I know we had a discussion about what happened to the, like, the last survey that the town put out in possibly 2011, we're not sure, we're not sure who, who took the, who had the data there, so I will make sure that there, we have a spreadsheet of that, like, raw response data, and I'll send that to Lisa, but I'll also send it to Lori, too, so that she can have it, like, as a copy in the town records, so, like, you know, years from now that you have that to refer to. 20 00:02:54,250 --> 00:02:55,849 But then we'll also do... 21 00:02:56,810 --> 00:03:13,280 You know, some analysis of it as well, and I think we'll want to do that probably sometime in the fall to just kind of recap the community engagement and pick up on some of the things we want to start talking about tonight. 22 00:03:13,719 --> 00:03:18,349 Lori was our clerk then, when we did the last survey. 23 00:03:18,990 --> 00:03:20,969 She didn't know, though, I asked her. 24 00:03:21,069 --> 00:03:21,229 She didn't. 25 00:03:21,250 --> 00:03:22,210 Yeah, she was a clerk then. 26 00:03:22,210 --> 00:03:26,189 Yeah, we didn't have any records of ECRC of the data either, so... 27 00:03:26,189 --> 00:03:27,370 It's lost to time. 28 00:03:27,389 --> 00:03:27,710 It's lost to time. 29 00:03:29,849 --> 00:03:39,370 So, that's why, before even doing any, like, analysis, I'll just send out, like, the raw, like, response data to you all to make sure that you've got that. 30 00:03:41,439 --> 00:03:56,969 But, so, tonight, I think we wanted to talk about, start the conversation on a number of things, one of them being, well, first I'll just kind of say the three kind of, like, large areas we wanted to talk about that we can maybe get into it in the end. 31 00:03:57,949 --> 00:03:59,710 What you both want to talk about. 32 00:03:59,930 --> 00:04:12,449 But, one of the things we wanted to talk about is doing any kind of follow-up meeting or engagement on natural resources, conservation, and just conservation planning in general. 33 00:04:12,590 --> 00:04:21,029 Because that was obviously a really big theme that came up in the meeting and, you know, walking to our visioning meeting that we had. 34 00:04:21,250 --> 00:04:27,610 And just from, like, some of my occasional scans of the offline data, that was definitely, like, a top priority. 35 00:04:27,610 --> 00:04:35,870 for people but you know just wondering if there is any interest from the 36 00:04:35,870 --> 00:04:41,350 Planning Commission on digging into that a little bit at like another Planning 37 00:04:41,350 --> 00:04:45,990 Commission meeting in you know sometime maybe in August whether it would be like 38 00:04:45,990 --> 00:04:50,430 having a guest speaker from a conservation related organization come 39 00:04:50,430 --> 00:04:54,990 in and talk about you know best practices for conservation planning in 40 00:04:54,990 --> 00:04:59,569 your town plan and potentially bylaws as well or if it's you know if you wanted 41 00:04:59,569 --> 00:05:04,709 to maybe invite like try and get some more you know members of the public and 42 00:05:04,709 --> 00:05:08,029 kind of you know advertise the meeting and have some you know facilitated 43 00:05:08,029 --> 00:05:13,709 discussion about natural resource and conservation planning in Stanford and 44 00:05:13,709 --> 00:05:18,050 just see if there's any like appetite interest in you know doing some 45 00:05:18,050 --> 00:05:24,889 additional like discussion about that either in a public meeting forum or having a meeting 46 00:05:24,889 --> 00:05:35,290 are there actionable I mean pretty much feel like we all agree that 47 00:05:35,910 --> 00:05:41,209 conservation is important and I think we all agree that water and land 48 00:05:41,209 --> 00:05:48,319 management and wetlands and all of that but beyond that is there something 49 00:05:49,339 --> 00:05:54,439 actionable that someone can come here and describe for us because otherwise I 50 00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:57,100 feel like we're just preaching to the converted 51 00:05:57,259 --> 00:06:02,040 yeah except I mean you know we brought up we brought up we brought up multiple 52 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:08,779 times water and so water is an obviously a critical resource that we know that we 53 00:06:08,779 --> 00:06:14,860 have to protect well how do you protect water likely probably with zoning and 54 00:06:14,860 --> 00:06:19,959 how are you how are you going to set up how are you going to look at different 55 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:27,240 zoning areas in town if you don't know where the water is so is there a 56 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,779 person who knows that besides Kurt 57 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:38,199 you have to pay I would imagine for a professional opinion to say the water is there or there I can tell you generally where it is 58 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:43,939 tier 3 identified a good chunk of it if you look at the maps basically what it was all about 59 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:55,000 right so we did see that I mean I saw I saw water resources up off of east road that I've never seen before 60 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:55,779 where? 61 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,319 these most recent up off of east road 62 00:06:57,339 --> 00:07:03,680 road that i've never seen before i knew that was a source but i was it's not it's not a source if 63 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,660 you think the whole community as a whole because most of that flows right into the river right 64 00:07:07,660 --> 00:07:13,079 there and goes downstream so it's not accessible from that side of the stream to this side 65 00:07:13,079 --> 00:07:17,819 but there's always been water up there on that whole range it's ledged 66 00:07:24,220 --> 00:07:34,759 okay so are are our zoning districts do they consider water resources 67 00:07:34,759 --> 00:07:41,230 i feel like they don't so the the very smart with all that is that who's the professional 68 00:07:41,230 --> 00:07:45,750 that declares all this stuff in-house right without hiring someone at a major expense 69 00:07:45,750 --> 00:07:48,569 who's going to sit here and say i'm the professional 70 00:07:48,870 --> 00:07:52,569 that's going to let you know that the water is here and you know zone around that 71 00:07:52,569 --> 00:07:56,470 well that should be yours we have the regional planning commission 72 00:07:56,470 --> 00:08:01,949 they can offer maps and things of that nature but is it a free is it a free of charge professional 73 00:08:01,949 --> 00:08:07,129 medical maintenance surveyor water probably highly unlikely i mean if you wanted to have 74 00:08:07,129 --> 00:08:13,129 you to protect professional like water resources person come in like a consultant who has a like 75 00:08:13,129 --> 00:08:17,810 special focus in that area beyond like our planning expertise then probably 76 00:08:17,810 --> 00:08:18,550 yes 77 00:08:18,870 --> 00:08:24,209 we'd have to pay for that but we do um have a number of like there are a number of statewide 78 00:08:24,209 --> 00:08:29,750 tools like there's a natural resources atlas um looking at san francisco to make sure i get the 79 00:08:29,750 --> 00:08:35,149 name right because it's more familiar with it than me um and you know so there's like that 80 00:08:35,149 --> 00:08:39,029 tool at the state level the natural resources atlas which is i believe is a mapping tool 81 00:08:39,029 --> 00:08:44,309 looking at different natural resources and um there's like the file finder 82 00:08:45,549 --> 00:08:48,899 tool which is also a mapping based tool that the state 83 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:56,179 has with like state data that they collect but then could also be supplemented by you know 84 00:08:56,179 --> 00:09:01,940 community knowledge that there's like something that's not on the state maps that you know is like 85 00:09:01,940 --> 00:09:09,519 important in stanford so i wonder like if the conversation like it seems like maybe there's 86 00:09:09,940 --> 00:09:14,299 more interest in diving into this in the context of your land use regulations or 87 00:09:14,299 --> 00:09:20,899 your bylaws um and i don't know if i'm wrong but it seems like maybe there's like interest 88 00:09:20,899 --> 00:09:27,600 in really digging into that topic as you get working into that in which case um you know you 89 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:34,440 could don't necessarily have to have another meeting or conversation on it right now at this 90 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:40,080 stage if you don't feel ready or like feel like it's valuable if it's something you want to revisit 91 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:45,039 you know at a future point when you're you know at a different point in working on your bylaws 92 00:09:45,059 --> 00:09:52,700 i just know there's a lot of general discussion about it at the may 30th event um and we were 93 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:58,480 just wondering if you wanted to dig into that a little bit deeper with like specific action items 94 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:07,259 or you know policies uh other than some of the you know general topics that were raised um and just 95 00:10:07,259 --> 00:10:14,039 kind of wanted to see if there was any interest on your part in exploring this topic further at 96 00:10:14,039 --> 00:10:14,940 another meeting 97 00:10:15,220 --> 00:10:20,159 but um for the in the purpose for the purposes of the town plan but if you're like no i think 98 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:24,980 this is really going to be an issue that we want to like identify and you know dig into the 99 00:10:24,980 --> 00:10:30,039 specifics of natural resource protection and water research in particular protection in stanford when 100 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:34,779 you're doing your bylaws that maybe we don't i mean won't it be part of writing the plan though 101 00:10:34,779 --> 00:10:41,159 wouldn't we need to know that ahead yeah yeah so as much as everyone hates like 250 when that came 102 00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:45,200 about it had language in there for elevation and slow so the best way to do that is to go to the 103 00:10:45,220 --> 00:10:49,419 west of my knowledge that whole range over there is protected by a slope which is greater than 25 104 00:10:49,419 --> 00:10:55,299 and the water that would come up you know probably northwest of where intense property is 105 00:10:55,809 --> 00:11:01,480 out of there is protected by elevation as you get farther up into stanford like the north northwestern 106 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:07,200 corner of stanford pushing towards woodford but it doesn't hurt to look into it and what about the 107 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:13,240 center of town in the clayton that area so hydrology is a funny thing that people are just 108 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,200 starting to understand so you can make things a little bit easier to understand but i think it's 109 00:11:15,220 --> 00:11:19,679 one spot that you find you may dig in another and strike a lot of veins and it affects water 110 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:26,740 elsewhere it's hard to say where all that flow is without some kind of professional assessments 111 00:11:26,740 --> 00:11:33,340 of it all i just feel like we need a plan because eventually the town is going to need water sure at 112 00:11:33,340 --> 00:11:37,240 some point the town's going to need water well we can start by stop bringing off all the wetlands 113 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:42,000 that we have right stop filling in the wetlands stop elevating houses and wetlands yeah that would 114 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,139 be a major start i mean there's hardly any water in the river right now just running 115 00:11:45,220 --> 00:11:49,559 quite a bit the other day it's a circle we're running out of ground water 116 00:11:51,539 --> 00:11:56,860 there's a thing called the hyperhead exchange surface water groundwater river water are all 117 00:11:56,860 --> 00:12:01,700 one and the same they in fact borrow or steal from each other constantly all right so when you start 118 00:12:01,700 --> 00:12:06,480 doing mucking around in the wetlands and stuff they're definitely affecting flow 119 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,940 and it may seem like a small thing if you just do it in your yard but if everybody's doing it 120 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:14,799 it has a cumulative effect and yeah we're trying out big time 121 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:22,620 who's been messing with the wetlands i'm curious here in town who's been messing with the wetlands 122 00:12:22,620 --> 00:12:26,879 well because all the time people culvert them off that's a conditional use permit that's never 123 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:33,120 gotten by anybody um people fill them in they they drain their yards and we've had it all over the 124 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,379 place i don't have a specific case but there's been houses built in the flood in the corridor 125 00:12:37,379 --> 00:12:43,419 the last five years we have we have i remember being in a meeting and there was an argument 126 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:45,000 over 127 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:52,220 whether houses should be able to be built in the river corridor and it was stated that the town of 128 00:12:52,220 --> 00:12:59,379 stamford took the path of least resistance and it's totally completely fine to just mound up a thing 129 00:12:59,379 --> 00:13:07,279 well i'm just telling you that's what was said at the meeting it's not the town 130 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:14,960 the state allows it and yeah we had a very lengthy discussion about before any 131 00:13:15,700 --> 00:13:25,549 septic permits are issued the engineers should be looking at regulations and we've got a big old x 132 00:13:26,149 --> 00:13:31,649 in river corridors you can't build you can put a septic system in there but i'm not good 133 00:13:31,649 --> 00:13:38,250 i can't give a permit cba should not be giving a permit the state should not be giving a permit 134 00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:46,039 we are mapped period you don't go by the rest of the flood hazard you know they're their own 135 00:13:46,059 --> 00:13:52,500 the Roman numerals act you know in that section you know you don't even look 136 00:13:52,500 --> 00:13:54,639 beyond Oh Stanford's map 137 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:08,539 but but yeah the engineers are not looking at that so you've got people who 138 00:14:08,539 --> 00:14:13,600 are out just getting permits thinking they can build and they can't 139 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,220 so the state at that point would probably need to force somebody in to 140 00:14:17,220 --> 00:14:20,379 listen to it I mean in case I didn't quite right now just look out west 141 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,600 they're a lot of trouble and you don't think it's gonna happen here bullshit 142 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,779 they're all gonna come this way where you can figure out a little all right 143 00:14:27,779 --> 00:14:31,399 it's already happening now that this population we're running out of water 144 00:14:32,570 --> 00:14:38,149 that's it we can push this stuff down the line as long as we want but that fact will remain 145 00:14:40,679 --> 00:14:43,799 I ran out of water in the last two years yeah 146 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:44,639 Mr. John 147 00:14:44,919 --> 00:14:48,360 it's never ever never happened before two years 148 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,399 yeah it's drier than it's ever been 149 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:52,580 it's not getting so much hotter anymore 150 00:14:52,580 --> 00:14:53,960 all right so we'd be interested 151 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,500 she dug a pond and that affected your water 152 00:14:56,500 --> 00:14:57,440 I don't know that 153 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:03,100 so the conservation commission minutes they've been looking at the water resources 154 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:05,840 I don't know how far they've gone with it 155 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,500 that's been going on for a few years like when we were on it it was still the topic 156 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:11,559 I don't think it's progressing much 157 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,080 light a fire maybe they think it's on that 158 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:15,500 I'm not doing that 159 00:15:16,379 --> 00:15:17,620 I'm touching that one 160 00:15:17,620 --> 00:15:20,480 I mean it would be a viable path for an agency like that 161 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:25,659 yeah yeah is that something we want BCRC to maybe provide us with a steeper 162 00:15:25,659 --> 00:15:32,639 I mean if it would help us definitely if it would help us you know as Pam is saying 163 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:39,909 if it would help us in terms of I mean both the town plan and the bylaws to just have a clearer 164 00:15:39,909 --> 00:15:43,789 bylaws leads that the the town plan leads bylaws 165 00:15:43,789 --> 00:15:44,230 exactly 166 00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:45,370 to starting it 167 00:15:45,370 --> 00:15:45,690 exactly 168 00:15:46,529 --> 00:15:51,980 it's kind of the reason why I invited the person from the state last last 169 00:15:51,980 --> 00:15:53,080 yeah she was good 170 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,379 right she was awesome and I'm glad we did that because now they have a permanent group 171 00:15:57,379 --> 00:16:05,480 back last year they had taps constantly so now they have a core group core director 172 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:15,590 and everything is good to go but again Deb will tell you from one part of a river to 100 feet above 173 00:16:20,970 --> 00:16:30,250 if anybody's anywhere near the river we're gonna have to have them come down and evaluate it and look before she could sign off on it or anybody else 174 00:16:31,669 --> 00:16:36,009 like I would say say the river is moved 175 00:16:36,009 --> 00:16:42,629 if the river is moved then I'd have to talk but you know I look at this map on the lane 176 00:16:42,629 --> 00:16:44,549 you know this place on the lane 177 00:16:45,659 --> 00:16:46,620 they have oke 178 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:49,419 They have in the description, build your dream home. 179 00:16:49,500 --> 00:16:55,340 I called the realtor and I said, you better be very careful what you put out for the public. 180 00:16:55,620 --> 00:16:57,220 It says that on the app? 181 00:16:57,559 --> 00:16:58,340 Oh, yeah, build your dream home. 182 00:16:58,620 --> 00:17:01,299 Could that be enforced somehow now that it's going through an exchange? 183 00:17:01,779 --> 00:17:02,419 What do you mean? 184 00:17:02,940 --> 00:17:04,779 It's obviously going to be sold to somebody else. 185 00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:08,029 It's an illegal, it's an illegal structure. 186 00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:11,250 It's unfortunate that you can't do anything about that. 187 00:17:11,250 --> 00:17:12,769 They can sell the structure as it is. 188 00:17:12,890 --> 00:17:15,910 But they can't build anything. 189 00:17:16,740 --> 00:17:20,920 So if they take that thing away and they say, I want to build my own here, 190 00:17:21,779 --> 00:17:24,599 even though it's got a septic design, you cannot build it. 191 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:29,380 I don't even think they have the distance from the road if you had the river corridor in the back and the road front. 192 00:17:29,579 --> 00:17:34,519 It's got about 20 feet from the side of the road. 193 00:17:34,759 --> 00:17:36,640 If it's existing, there's nothing to do with it. 194 00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:38,839 You can't build any more on it. 195 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:39,759 It's noncompliant. 196 00:17:40,690 --> 00:17:46,900 And is there some, this communication that you're describing, 197 00:17:47,039 --> 00:17:48,680 or lack of communication from... 198 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:55,180 engineers looking at something, and then, you know, people think they have a permit, and then... 199 00:17:55,180 --> 00:18:01,740 Is there some way to, like, establish a line of communication when someone... 200 00:18:01,740 --> 00:18:08,880 We've been looking at the state regulations, and the state regulations say 50 feet from the bank. 201 00:18:10,380 --> 00:18:14,420 So they go in 50 feet, and that's a state regulation. 202 00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:19,380 But individual municipalities can be more restrictive. 203 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,599 They're more restrictive than that, like we are. 204 00:18:21,059 --> 00:18:25,599 So our little grid we have there, you cannot build in the water, river corridor, 205 00:18:26,579 --> 00:18:29,220 whereas somewhere else you might be able to. 206 00:18:29,220 --> 00:18:32,599 I mean, it doesn't seem ethical that the builders, that they know that. 207 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:33,140 No, it's not. 208 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:33,519 Of course. 209 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:34,279 It is not. 210 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,200 And that's the conversation we had with the river. 211 00:18:37,460 --> 00:18:37,920 Yes. 212 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,579 I apologize. 213 00:18:39,839 --> 00:18:40,619 Was it Jessica? 214 00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:41,980 Yeah. 215 00:18:42,140 --> 00:18:42,619 Jessica. 216 00:18:42,779 --> 00:18:45,519 So you did find that discussion valuable? 217 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:47,039 Okay. 218 00:18:47,099 --> 00:18:48,420 So what do you think? 219 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,380 What do you think? 220 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,500 What do you think that you could offer us based on our concerns? 221 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:53,960 Yeah, I think... 222 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,400 Thank you for articulating that, Pam. 223 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:04,289 Because I think that meeting that you had with the person, Jessica, from the rivers program, 224 00:19:04,430 --> 00:19:10,980 is kind of what got us thinking about maybe if that went well, if you had value, 225 00:19:11,059 --> 00:19:16,720 like thinking about doing something similar on a natural resources topic, 226 00:19:16,859 --> 00:19:18,200 and it sounds like water resources. 227 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:25,960 Is kind of, from what I'm hearing, seems to be like the, you know, big issue that, you know, 228 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,539 you're concerned about in terms of larger natural resource conservation. 229 00:19:30,019 --> 00:19:39,019 And so just trying to drill down on like, seems like water resource protection is of, you know, 230 00:19:39,019 --> 00:19:40,940 concern as well as like wetlands. 231 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:41,759 Yes. 232 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:48,400 And so if we were able to identify somebody, you know, at the state, you know, 233 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,400 most likely... 234 00:19:53,900 --> 00:20:01,799 I'm sure if someone from a state or even like a natural resources advocacy group in the state would be able to... 235 00:20:01,799 --> 00:20:02,819 Yeah, you can get back to us. 236 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:03,200 Yeah. 237 00:20:03,220 --> 00:20:05,180 We'll do some research and ask. 238 00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:08,400 It might be an idea just to contact Jessica. 239 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:09,640 She's probably got the... 240 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:09,819 Yeah. 241 00:20:09,819 --> 00:20:10,180 Yeah. 242 00:20:10,619 --> 00:20:12,500 Like the next person for... 243 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:12,920 Right. 244 00:20:12,940 --> 00:20:14,259 Or right at the Chalmers. 245 00:20:14,339 --> 00:20:17,940 So her boss is the director of the whole... 246 00:20:18,619 --> 00:20:20,140 There's different agencies and... 247 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:20,839 I wonder how... 248 00:20:20,839 --> 00:20:25,119 So that's the one you were supposed to call. 249 00:20:25,299 --> 00:20:26,380 I mean, it's the same... 250 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:30,880 You can make the same argument for, you know, overshadowing and everything. 251 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:31,640 Yes. 252 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:32,619 You have... 253 00:20:33,609 --> 00:20:36,470 Yes, we want more homes. 254 00:20:36,529 --> 00:20:39,230 That's how we survive. 255 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:41,299 Taxes. 256 00:20:41,299 --> 00:20:41,759 That's it. 257 00:20:42,099 --> 00:20:52,160 But what you build up there is affecting like your home or a lot of the other properties in the valley. 258 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,799 Sure, you get... 259 00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:56,220 I mean, we have to dig 600 feet. 260 00:20:57,019 --> 00:21:01,920 But 600 feet might be taking away from you. 261 00:21:02,539 --> 00:21:03,180 Right. 262 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:04,119 But you like them. 263 00:21:04,220 --> 00:21:04,619 Exactly. 264 00:21:04,619 --> 00:21:10,599 So I'm just saying, you know, we're up there almost 2,000... 265 00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:12,099 Well, 1,900 feet. 266 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,400 But 600 down maybe... 267 00:21:15,099 --> 00:21:16,460 So you don't know. 268 00:21:16,579 --> 00:21:22,809 So you have all these lots and if you start building and building... 269 00:21:22,809 --> 00:21:23,369 There's a limited... 270 00:21:23,869 --> 00:21:24,269 There's a limited... 271 00:21:24,269 --> 00:21:26,109 There's a limited resource. 272 00:21:26,750 --> 00:21:41,750 And so the town needs to manage the situation if they care about the long-term, you know, wellness of everyone in the town. 273 00:21:42,109 --> 00:21:42,589 That exists now. 274 00:21:42,910 --> 00:21:45,349 Which is obviously why you're planning. 275 00:21:45,670 --> 00:21:46,210 I mean, I... 276 00:21:46,769 --> 00:21:54,670 Again, I looked at those maps at our last meeting and I was just like, okay, so explain to me why the zoning... 277 00:21:54,910 --> 00:22:01,849 The zoning is the same right here where we're sitting as it is at the top of... 278 00:22:01,849 --> 00:22:04,690 Because everything was trying to be put into a square box. 279 00:22:04,869 --> 00:22:05,109 Right. 280 00:22:05,329 --> 00:22:08,990 You didn't want to step on anyone's clothes up there because you had the right to do this. 281 00:22:09,369 --> 00:22:09,950 Yeah, but... 282 00:22:09,950 --> 00:22:12,130 You tried to minimize all that. 283 00:22:12,190 --> 00:22:14,849 In order to do it right, you would really have a whole bunch of circles. 284 00:22:14,849 --> 00:22:16,849 I think there was a lack of understanding, too. 285 00:22:17,589 --> 00:22:20,569 And we gave back a bunch of roads that would be very helpful. 286 00:22:21,769 --> 00:22:22,170 So... 287 00:22:22,170 --> 00:22:22,609 Gave back? 288 00:22:22,849 --> 00:22:24,450 Yeah, they gave them back to the president. 289 00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:24,549 To... 290 00:22:25,529 --> 00:22:26,769 Yeah, we got one. 291 00:22:26,890 --> 00:22:32,809 So, for example, there was a road that used to go from Fort Jack all the way up to Acadia, right? 292 00:22:32,890 --> 00:22:34,410 Like, right through the back behind us all. 293 00:22:34,490 --> 00:22:37,970 Now, that's higher out of the river elevation, right? 294 00:22:38,109 --> 00:22:39,509 But we gave that road back. 295 00:22:39,670 --> 00:22:42,970 So now you would need a whole series of private roads to access that. 296 00:22:43,410 --> 00:22:43,809 Wow. 297 00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:44,849 Well, it basically... 298 00:22:44,849 --> 00:22:47,869 I mean, it runs up through Joe's Sandbank and all through there. 299 00:22:47,970 --> 00:22:48,130 Yeah. 300 00:22:48,190 --> 00:22:53,069 But basically, that bridge that's elevated up and out of the river, all that should have been... 301 00:22:53,069 --> 00:22:54,230 On the path. 302 00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:54,410 On the path. 303 00:22:54,589 --> 00:22:56,630 I mean, at least access to it at some point. 304 00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:57,210 But... 305 00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:58,029 There's other roads in town. 306 00:22:58,269 --> 00:23:07,009 So, but the point is, again, there's always the push and pull between property rights, ownership rights, and zoning. 307 00:23:07,529 --> 00:23:19,160 But you have to try to make some attempt, if you're trying to protect the water resources, to adjust the zoning. 308 00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:21,700 Like, hey, if there was going to be a development... 309 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:24,299 I mean, I could think of multiple places in town. 310 00:23:25,140 --> 00:23:28,079 Where it might be totally fine to have a development. 311 00:23:28,619 --> 00:23:32,019 But then, most of the town, it is not totally fine. 312 00:23:32,279 --> 00:23:34,839 And they want large lots. 313 00:23:35,140 --> 00:23:35,819 Just look at a map. 314 00:23:36,019 --> 00:23:37,000 Look at an elevation map. 315 00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:38,259 Watch where water runs off. 316 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,859 And you'll see the spots that would be better from a selfish standpoint. 317 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,160 We don't care what the water is like in Maidens Town or in Malmau or anywhere else. 318 00:23:46,420 --> 00:23:47,380 Then there's places. 319 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,960 But it doesn't make any sense because it's so disconnected from what's already existing. 320 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:54,400 So, in a lot of ways, the mountains... 321 00:23:57,390 --> 00:24:00,650 So, for example, Rispy Branch does. 322 00:24:01,269 --> 00:24:03,609 It would take a lot of money to get in there for infrastructure. 323 00:24:03,829 --> 00:24:05,750 But all the water goes the other direction. 324 00:24:06,109 --> 00:24:08,269 So, it wouldn't really affect anything in town. 325 00:24:09,789 --> 00:24:12,450 Le Cher Road runs off to the Cargill State Park. 326 00:24:12,730 --> 00:24:14,210 It doesn't come into the valley. 327 00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:16,190 The high end of it does. 328 00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:18,390 It comes into the Rory Road and runs off to the valley. 329 00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:19,509 I mean, that's less... 330 00:24:19,509 --> 00:24:23,509 But they're just not reasonable places to have large... 331 00:24:24,869 --> 00:24:27,490 Lots of development unless they're going to have, like, a second center of town. 332 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,119 But just in this strip, I mentioned that whole elevation. 333 00:24:32,259 --> 00:24:32,880 That's just higher. 334 00:24:32,980 --> 00:24:35,200 It's on the same elevation as East Road back there. 335 00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:40,519 If that just continued all the way north through town, which is not going to happen now. 336 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,420 I mean, you'd have to take private road development. 337 00:24:45,670 --> 00:24:46,849 Who owns it now? 338 00:24:47,069 --> 00:24:48,890 The land out of the flood zone. 339 00:24:50,509 --> 00:24:52,109 A lot of different people own it. 340 00:24:52,990 --> 00:24:53,750 It's just... 341 00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:54,869 It goes to the land. 342 00:24:55,349 --> 00:24:58,710 I don't know what the elevation is, but it's, like, 1,300 feet or something. 343 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,319 Not 1,200 feet up out of the valley. 344 00:25:02,220 --> 00:25:04,940 But you're just not going to lay the town like that. 345 00:25:04,980 --> 00:25:05,240 Sorry. 346 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:05,900 Lay it out. 347 00:25:06,869 --> 00:25:12,329 So, I think we'll put our heads together, and we can also reach out to Jessica as well 348 00:25:13,529 --> 00:25:15,390 and see if she has any recommendations. 349 00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:21,430 But also put our heads together on some, you know, potential people that might be helpful 350 00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:24,289 for you to have at your meeting and maybe... 351 00:25:25,829 --> 00:25:29,789 You know, see if we can get somebody to come to one of your August, maybe, planning commission 352 00:25:29,789 --> 00:25:30,750 meetings, potentially. 353 00:25:32,269 --> 00:25:38,230 And, you know, of course, we can't let you know who it was. 354 00:25:38,430 --> 00:25:45,339 And just, I think, you know, this kind of segues, I think, into, like, the other kind 355 00:25:45,339 --> 00:25:50,059 of topic we wanted to start the conversation on tonight, which we aren't expecting a decision 356 00:25:50,059 --> 00:25:56,099 on, is about, you know, like, structuring the town plan based on, you know, the... 357 00:25:56,099 --> 00:26:00,579 You know, the priorities that you have identified and that, you know, we have from the public 358 00:26:00,579 --> 00:26:05,559 input, which, you know, I haven't fully delved into, like, the surveys and stuff, so I don't 359 00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:06,980 have the complete picture of what... 360 00:26:06,980 --> 00:26:10,599 And, obviously, we didn't reach every single resident in Stanford, although it would have 361 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:10,940 been nice. 362 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,680 Well, maybe we did through the mail, and they just didn't follow, which would be nice. 363 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:21,869 But, you know, thinking about how you want the structure of the plan to, you know, kind 364 00:26:21,869 --> 00:26:25,170 of reflect the priorities of the town. 365 00:26:25,329 --> 00:26:26,230 And also... 366 00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:26,529 And also... 367 00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:31,180 Because, you know, I know you're working on your bylaws in the midst of working on 368 00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:31,500 them right now. 369 00:26:31,539 --> 00:26:31,720 Okay. 370 00:26:32,779 --> 00:26:33,460 And with... 371 00:26:33,460 --> 00:26:37,339 And I know it seems like you have a lot, potentially, that you might want to do with 372 00:26:37,339 --> 00:26:42,299 your bylaws, and so I think that's why it's important to have the conceptual discussions 373 00:26:42,299 --> 00:26:48,019 now, and then, you know, anything that you want, you know, to be actualized in your bylaws 374 00:26:48,019 --> 00:26:51,599 should have, you know, strong policy statements in the town plan. 375 00:26:51,980 --> 00:26:55,859 So, it's related to the protection of water resources and... 376 00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:58,150 You know, any natural resources... 377 00:26:58,150 --> 00:27:01,589 Just, you know, this applies to all elements of the plan, but, you know, going off of, you 378 00:27:01,589 --> 00:27:05,490 know, your concerns about water resources, like, there should be, you know, some clear 379 00:27:05,490 --> 00:27:11,549 policy statements on, you know, the town, on the protection of, you know, water resources 380 00:27:11,549 --> 00:27:15,220 and whatnot, that that should be put into action through your laborations. 381 00:27:17,339 --> 00:27:19,980 And so, to that end, I just wanted to have... 382 00:27:19,980 --> 00:27:23,799 I printed out the table of contents for your Courage Town Plan right now, and I've got 383 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:26,339 some copies for all of you just to start thinking about. 384 00:27:26,339 --> 00:27:29,460 I'll just line up my notes on it. 385 00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:37,230 Thank you. 386 00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:40,740 Thank you, Allie. 387 00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:52,779 Allie, if you still have that June 8th agenda, Jessica's name, contact information on that. 388 00:27:54,269 --> 00:27:58,029 If you still have the agenda that we have for June 8th. 389 00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:59,990 Oh, it has Jessica's information? 390 00:28:00,430 --> 00:28:03,210 Okay, I can find it online, and also, I know my coworker, Dara. 391 00:28:03,410 --> 00:28:06,369 I was there that night, too, so she's got her information as well. 392 00:28:07,309 --> 00:28:12,170 But, yeah, so basically, this is your current table of contents as it currently stands, 393 00:28:12,349 --> 00:28:17,930 and we really just wanted to get you all here thinking about if you want to use the 394 00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:22,390 town plan update that we're doing right now or, you know, about to really embark on the 395 00:28:22,390 --> 00:28:29,009 meat of it as an opportunity to restructure the town plan as it currently exists. 396 00:28:29,069 --> 00:28:32,789 You know, there's a lot of ways you can structure it, you know, news holidays. 397 00:28:33,410 --> 00:28:35,029 You can do it all sorts of different ways. 398 00:28:36,009 --> 00:28:41,549 You know, some just do it in the order that the, you know, like, do chapters according 399 00:28:41,549 --> 00:28:46,589 to the required statutory element of the municipal plan and do it in the order that 400 00:28:46,589 --> 00:28:47,589 it's listed in statute. 401 00:28:48,029 --> 00:28:54,289 Some do, like, thematic groupings, like, where they have, you know, a section that's around 402 00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:57,569 a specific theme, and then they've got, like, subchapters within that. 403 00:28:59,579 --> 00:29:03,740 I'm not quite sure how this current, how this structure of your current town plan came 404 00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:03,960 about. 405 00:29:03,980 --> 00:29:07,960 Because it doesn't quite, like, it doesn't go in, like, the order of statute or anything, 406 00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:12,069 so I'm not sure how this came about. 407 00:29:13,089 --> 00:29:18,230 I think Jim Sullivan might have been the primary person from BCRC working with you all to update 408 00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:19,829 the town plan, so. 409 00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:22,410 Also, we came from the town plan before that. 410 00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:22,910 Okay. 411 00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:25,289 So, you might just, so just, yeah. 412 00:29:25,390 --> 00:29:31,910 So, you know, so the structure and, of course, the content, but, you know, just looking at 413 00:29:31,910 --> 00:29:33,750 the structure to start with, it can be modified. 414 00:29:34,049 --> 00:29:36,910 It can be modified based on your priorities and based on the community's priorities. 415 00:29:37,170 --> 00:29:41,789 So, like, for example, you could move up the natural, scenic, and historic resources. 416 00:29:41,809 --> 00:29:46,509 That could be the first thing after the, you know, introduction, rather than having it 417 00:29:46,509 --> 00:29:47,869 be economic development. 418 00:29:48,210 --> 00:29:52,549 I thought that was kind of interesting that it started with economic development as the 419 00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:58,599 first, like, content-based chapter, because not that it's not important, but it seems 420 00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:03,259 like in all of the conversations we've had that natural resources has emerged as a lot 421 00:30:03,259 --> 00:30:03,619 of support. 422 00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:07,599 I feel like some districts was a hot topic at the time, so it may have been generated. 423 00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:09,359 Maybe, okay, yeah. 424 00:30:09,460 --> 00:30:10,619 But it is all over the place. 425 00:30:10,740 --> 00:30:20,359 And I don't, I mean, I guess I'm not, I don't advocate the idea that, oh, we're just, we 426 00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:23,440 should just go along and just copy whatever's always been done. 427 00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:28,480 I mean, I feel like if you're going to do it, you should look at it and you should say, 428 00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:33,519 okay, whatever is not the way we want it, we should fix it. 429 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:34,359 A lot of it is the same. 430 00:30:37,299 --> 00:30:41,039 Yeah, I mean, I think we decided, we thought that, you know, since we're already going 431 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:46,160 to be taking a look at the document, it might be, you know, a good idea to consider changing 432 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,400 the structure if we want to. 433 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,140 You don't have to. 434 00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:49,039 It can stay. 435 00:30:49,099 --> 00:30:50,140 No, this is too willy-nilly. 436 00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:51,380 It can stay structured. 437 00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:57,680 I like the idea of thematic myself, like putting, like, land use, which is a mere natural 438 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,259 scenic resources here, but, like, putting, like, the land stuff together, the people 439 00:31:01,259 --> 00:31:01,960 stuff together. 440 00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:04,700 To me, that would be a little better. 441 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:04,980 Yeah. 442 00:31:05,779 --> 00:31:09,160 Sometimes, like, with some of the towns we've done that for, we've, like, kind of finalized 443 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,180 the thematic grouping based on, like, people's input. 444 00:31:14,859 --> 00:31:17,859 And, but, yeah, I think that's becoming, like, something more common. 445 00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:22,359 We've seen where towns want to kind of organize things thematically and group certain. 446 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,779 It makes sense if you're reading it. 447 00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:26,599 If you're talking about land, you want to kind of keep reading about land. 448 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,819 You don't want to skip to economic and then go back. 449 00:31:28,980 --> 00:31:29,279 Yeah. 450 00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:33,819 So, again, we're not expecting you to have a decision tonight that, like, here is the 451 00:31:33,819 --> 00:31:35,299 outline that is finalized. 452 00:31:35,859 --> 00:31:35,920 Yeah. 453 00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:40,799 But I think we just wanted to start it now so that when we come back to you in a couple 454 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:46,460 of months to, you know, give a, you know, kind of summarize the, you know, engagement 455 00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:51,519 results, the survey results and everything, and start, like, you know, talking about the 456 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:55,940 drafting process, that you will have some time to think about the structure as well. 457 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:02,019 Because I think that's, you know, typically, well, as, you know, when we start the process 458 00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:05,920 of, you know, actually, like, going through and working on the drafting process, we're 459 00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:07,839 going to have some time to think about the draft and working on the document is helpful 460 00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:10,480 to have a sense of the structure. 461 00:32:11,369 --> 00:32:15,900 And so, just giving this to you now and putting the thought in your head to start when you're 462 00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:21,440 thinking about how you might want to structure the new plant going forward. 463 00:32:22,059 --> 00:32:32,819 And also something, you know, to think about as well is how you want to structure the responsibility 464 00:32:32,819 --> 00:32:36,359 of us as BCRC versus you all. 465 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:41,480 You know, we've done it a couple of ways with a couple of municipalities where some 466 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:47,400 municipalities, like, that we've worked with recently have specifically asked us to, like, 467 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,279 write the narrative or the content of the chapter, if you will, that's a lot of, like, 468 00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:56,359 data describing current conditions and, you know, data trends and that sort of thing. 469 00:32:56,460 --> 00:33:03,099 And then leaving placeholder for the planning commission to draft policy statements or the 470 00:33:03,099 --> 00:33:06,700 list of actions, goals, policies that typically come at the end of a chapter. 471 00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:15,619 And so, we've done that recently and, you know, some times we've done it before where 472 00:33:15,619 --> 00:33:21,160 we've drafted something, like, fully complete with, you know, suggested policy language 473 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:26,160 and action items and goals for them to then respond to and, you know, make their own changes 474 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,319 and that sort of thing. 475 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,039 So, I think just really, again, we don't have to have an answer on this tonight either, 476 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,980 is how you envision our goal versus yours. 477 00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:50,200 So, I feel like, I feel like what we want, I mean, obviously, Stanford is a very independent 478 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:58,079 town, very independent people, so just the mere mention of you just writing it for us 479 00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:02,119 and, you know, asking us what we think is probably not going to sit well with anyone. 480 00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:09,920 That being said, obviously, we would like to take advantage of, and we help you with 481 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:16,199 that, and we hope that you would be able to provide us to make this, you know, less cumbersome 482 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,719 on the board. 483 00:34:19,059 --> 00:34:19,860 I would agree. 484 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,719 It would take, it would probably take two meetings to go through one chapter. 485 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:25,480 Right. 486 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:33,340 So, we do, we, I mean, I feel like we do need help if we want, if we want to come up with 487 00:34:33,340 --> 00:34:39,860 the best finished product, but the best finished product is one that is going to have, 488 00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:43,869 you know, Stanford residents' fingers all over it. 489 00:34:43,969 --> 00:34:44,230 Yeah. 490 00:34:44,289 --> 00:34:44,630 Yeah. 491 00:34:45,070 --> 00:34:51,480 And, and, and to be, to be our goal, and to reflect the values of the community. 492 00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:57,610 It's better than I do. 493 00:34:57,769 --> 00:34:58,489 I appreciate the expertise. 494 00:34:58,530 --> 00:34:59,670 It's better than one, Kurt. 495 00:34:59,809 --> 00:35:00,369 Yeah, I hear you. 496 00:35:00,469 --> 00:35:04,630 I do appreciate the expertise BCRC can bring with, like, crunching the numbers and the 497 00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:06,250 language for presenting data. 498 00:35:06,469 --> 00:35:08,829 I'm not an expert in writing language like that, so. 499 00:35:08,909 --> 00:35:10,130 And looking at the... 500 00:35:10,909 --> 00:35:11,949 And looking at the legal, at the laws. 501 00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:12,570 Yes. 502 00:35:12,570 --> 00:35:13,030 We need that. 503 00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:13,329 Yes. 504 00:35:13,590 --> 00:35:13,989 Absolutely. 505 00:35:14,429 --> 00:35:14,829 Yes. 506 00:35:14,889 --> 00:35:19,670 Yeah, because I think a lot of the chapters are, you know, going, are, like, describing, 507 00:35:19,690 --> 00:35:25,409 like, how, describing current conditions in the town, describing, like, data trends, you 508 00:35:25,409 --> 00:35:27,510 know, like, population demographics. 509 00:35:27,730 --> 00:35:28,130 Right. 510 00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:29,050 It is what it is. 511 00:35:29,130 --> 00:35:34,329 You know, economic development, you know, mapping resources, and that sort of thing. 512 00:35:34,489 --> 00:35:38,590 And then, typically, and I think your plan does this as well, that at the end of each 513 00:35:38,590 --> 00:35:40,809 chapter is the list of, like... 514 00:35:40,909 --> 00:35:43,309 Policies, goals, and action items. 515 00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:49,769 And so, again, what we just did with the town that we're finishing up a project with, Old 516 00:35:49,769 --> 00:35:55,849 Bennington, Village of Old Bennington, is, like, we wrote the, again, the narrative, 517 00:35:56,030 --> 00:36:03,710 like, the content of the chapters, and then left, like, placeholder at the end for them 518 00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:08,869 to add in the policies, action items, goals. 519 00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:18,650 So, maybe something that's like that, except that we also can fiddle around with whatever 520 00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:20,650 you've done in terms of narrative, you know? 521 00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:25,030 So, it's not just, like, this is set in stone, and now it's our space. 522 00:36:25,309 --> 00:36:27,050 And it's not for them either. 523 00:36:27,269 --> 00:36:32,010 Like, we just, we've drafted, and then now we're in the middle of the editing process, 524 00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:32,800 too. 525 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:38,900 But I agree that even that model might not be quite the right fit for Stanford, and so 526 00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:40,320 maybe there's a way where we... 527 00:36:40,820 --> 00:36:49,639 kind of put the data and sort of legal information in bullet points, and then some combination 528 00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:55,650 of playing commission members, put it into narrative, or something, like, we can figure 529 00:36:55,650 --> 00:37:00,829 out, or, like, maybe you can spend time at a future meeting talking about what the right 530 00:37:00,829 --> 00:37:01,929 combination is. 531 00:37:02,369 --> 00:37:09,349 And, of course, at the end of the day, it's always your document, and so it's really yours 532 00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:10,309 to decide what it says. 533 00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:13,329 And I think, like, that's why... 534 00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:16,150 that's why we want to start the conversation now, because, again, when we come back in 535 00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:20,349 a couple of months, and we'll do, like, a brief presentation about the, you know, engagement 536 00:37:20,349 --> 00:37:25,650 results, and sort of the analysis of the themes, I imagine we'll probably see a lot about natural 537 00:37:25,650 --> 00:37:29,829 resources, but, you know, there might be some other things in there that are surprising, 538 00:37:30,730 --> 00:37:35,090 because we got a good amount of survey responses, I think, more than some people expected, so 539 00:37:35,090 --> 00:37:39,429 there might be some interesting insights from members of the public in there, as well. 540 00:37:39,610 --> 00:37:43,269 But then we'll, at that time, we'll want to revisit this conversation about the structure, 541 00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:45,369 and the, you know, kind of drafting responsibility. 542 00:37:45,369 --> 00:37:46,690 So, in a couple months, you think? 543 00:37:47,170 --> 00:37:48,429 Yeah, I would say maybe, like... 544 00:37:48,429 --> 00:37:48,630 September? 545 00:37:48,869 --> 00:37:50,389 Yeah, like, September, maybe. 546 00:37:50,670 --> 00:37:51,449 That's not a good... 547 00:37:51,449 --> 00:37:52,829 We have to wait until September. 548 00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:55,829 I'm chomping at the bit to get the results. 549 00:37:56,010 --> 00:37:59,190 I really want to see the results, like, draft results. 550 00:37:59,449 --> 00:38:00,550 You're going to share the raw... 551 00:38:00,550 --> 00:38:04,429 Oh, yeah, I'm going to share the raw data of the survey and everything, like, hopefully 552 00:38:04,429 --> 00:38:05,610 within the next few days. 553 00:38:05,849 --> 00:38:06,210 Okay. 554 00:38:06,750 --> 00:38:07,150 But... 555 00:38:07,150 --> 00:38:08,170 Yeah, I'm dying to see it, too. 556 00:38:08,309 --> 00:38:08,710 Once... 557 00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:10,030 Yeah, once I take a look at the... 558 00:38:10,030 --> 00:38:11,010 Once I, like, put it... 559 00:38:11,010 --> 00:38:12,550 Input the, you know, paper. 560 00:38:13,369 --> 00:38:14,630 The surveys that... 561 00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:16,190 Are you going to have to sit and... 562 00:38:16,610 --> 00:38:17,469 Yeah, yeah. 563 00:38:17,550 --> 00:38:18,429 But it won't... 564 00:38:18,429 --> 00:38:19,769 It doesn't take long. 565 00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:21,679 Keep taking the survey over and over. 566 00:38:21,699 --> 00:38:23,059 And then, yeah, so I will give... 567 00:38:23,059 --> 00:38:26,880 And then I'll, like, I'll export that into a spreadsheet, and I'll... 568 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,960 So, I'll share that within the next few days. 569 00:38:29,139 --> 00:38:33,400 So, you'll have that at your disposal to take a look at, you know, very shortly. 570 00:38:35,659 --> 00:38:41,179 But we'll want to do, like, a little bit more, like, analysis into the data. 571 00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:43,650 And... 572 00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:49,269 And, you know, just kind of present on, you know, some of the, like, themes that have 573 00:38:49,269 --> 00:38:54,030 come up and kind of set the stage for the drafting. 574 00:38:54,130 --> 00:38:58,070 So, we kind of want to plant the seed now on a couple of things, and then, you know, 575 00:38:58,070 --> 00:39:00,429 come back in, you know, early... 576 00:39:00,429 --> 00:39:01,570 End of August, early September. 577 00:39:02,590 --> 00:39:09,190 And then what, you know, we might also be back in August with the guest speaker at one 578 00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:09,670 of your meetings. 579 00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:12,510 So, you will still be seeing a lot of us. 580 00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:14,010 There's also people... 581 00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:18,750 People who are understanding the natural resource question, because preservation of 582 00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:21,670 natural resources is much different than extraction of natural resources. 583 00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:22,030 Oh, yes. 584 00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:24,789 I'm just curious. 585 00:39:25,449 --> 00:39:26,349 Just curious. 586 00:39:26,650 --> 00:39:26,909 Yeah. 587 00:39:27,849 --> 00:39:32,809 And, I mean, I think, you know, as this is being... 588 00:39:32,809 --> 00:39:39,800 As the responses are being compiled and analyzed and all of that, I think it would be good 589 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,500 for us to actually dive into this... 590 00:39:44,110 --> 00:39:44,690 Yeah. 591 00:39:44,909 --> 00:39:45,510 What this... 592 00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:50,949 You know, I mean, even before too much by-law stuff, so that we know how to then... 593 00:39:50,949 --> 00:39:51,909 Look at it. 594 00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:52,590 Look at it. 595 00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:52,969 Yeah. 596 00:39:52,969 --> 00:39:53,070 Yeah. 597 00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:53,869 I agree. 598 00:39:54,010 --> 00:39:55,889 And talk about it all. 599 00:39:56,289 --> 00:40:01,389 And, you know, also, like, other considerations if you feel strongly about, like, maps and, 600 00:40:01,449 --> 00:40:02,690 you know, images and stuff. 601 00:40:02,730 --> 00:40:06,389 Right now, your maps are just integrated throughout the plan. 602 00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:11,409 Some plans of other municipalities have them all at the end in one place for a referral. 603 00:40:13,449 --> 00:40:15,869 You know, I'm just, like, looking through some of the maps and seeing if there's anything 604 00:40:15,889 --> 00:40:16,369 of your... 605 00:40:16,929 --> 00:40:21,469 Like, refreshing myself on your current plan earlier today, a number of the maps at least 606 00:40:21,469 --> 00:40:23,590 seem kind of, like, low resolution on the document. 607 00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:24,090 It's also... 608 00:40:24,090 --> 00:40:24,849 They're a little bit... 609 00:40:24,849 --> 00:40:25,429 Yes. 610 00:40:25,550 --> 00:40:25,650 Like, that's... 611 00:40:25,650 --> 00:40:26,090 It's okay. 612 00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:26,889 It's, like, the way... 613 00:40:26,889 --> 00:40:27,590 Oh, good. 614 00:40:27,929 --> 00:40:28,789 You know, other maps that have, like, a... 615 00:40:28,789 --> 00:40:30,010 Hopefully, like, a clearer resolution. 616 00:40:31,530 --> 00:40:33,150 But, like, you know, just... 617 00:40:33,150 --> 00:40:34,409 It's dramatic. 618 00:40:34,789 --> 00:40:35,269 You know? 619 00:40:36,889 --> 00:40:41,250 Things like that that, like, you know, if you like the way the maps are on the text 620 00:40:41,250 --> 00:40:42,650 right now or not... 621 00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:42,909 I do. 622 00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:43,469 I do. 623 00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:44,170 And... 624 00:40:44,170 --> 00:40:44,750 You know, I mean... 625 00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:45,869 I mean, when you're talking about zoning... 626 00:40:45,869 --> 00:40:46,130 Yeah. 627 00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:48,309 You kind of want people to be able to see... 628 00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:48,389 You want people to see it. 629 00:40:48,389 --> 00:40:49,369 ...what we're talking about. 630 00:40:49,429 --> 00:40:49,570 Yeah. 631 00:40:49,590 --> 00:40:51,030 No one's going to want to flip to the back. 632 00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:51,190 Yeah. 633 00:40:51,250 --> 00:40:53,090 And, you know, maybe you don't feel strongly about that. 634 00:40:53,130 --> 00:40:54,670 And, you know, maybe you do. 635 00:40:54,750 --> 00:40:55,030 So... 636 00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:57,389 But it's just good to kind of be thinking about these things now. 637 00:40:57,449 --> 00:40:59,110 Like, the placement of maps and... 638 00:40:59,869 --> 00:41:00,829 That seems like a no-brainer. 639 00:41:00,949 --> 00:41:01,849 ...photos, if you really... 640 00:41:01,849 --> 00:41:07,110 You know, some towns have had feelings about photos and, like, whether or not to include 641 00:41:07,110 --> 00:41:07,289 them. 642 00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:10,389 I was just talking to... 643 00:41:10,389 --> 00:41:13,750 I mean, you've got some nice, like, photos covering around your current plan. 644 00:41:13,989 --> 00:41:15,130 I think they're really nice. 645 00:41:15,210 --> 00:41:15,849 Like, there's a lot of... 646 00:41:15,849 --> 00:41:18,530 A lot of them are, like, you know, scenic pictures of Stanford. 647 00:41:19,369 --> 00:41:21,170 And, again, maybe that's something you don't care about. 648 00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:23,590 But I was just talking to our coworker, Nick, earlier today. 649 00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:25,809 And we're doing a project with Arlington. 650 00:41:26,010 --> 00:41:26,829 And they were like, no photos. 651 00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:27,469 Really? 652 00:41:27,550 --> 00:41:30,989 This is just straight up, like, we don't want any, like, embellishments or, like, we 653 00:41:30,989 --> 00:41:32,409 just want, like... 654 00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:33,070 Huh. 655 00:41:33,070 --> 00:41:33,989 I think we're embellishers. 656 00:41:34,110 --> 00:41:37,489 I mean, and, you know, they're still early in the process, so they might change their 657 00:41:37,489 --> 00:41:37,710 mind. 658 00:41:37,849 --> 00:41:40,750 But, like, they had feelings about it. 659 00:41:41,309 --> 00:41:41,630 And... 660 00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:42,690 But you may not... 661 00:41:42,690 --> 00:41:43,409 You may not be, like... 662 00:41:43,409 --> 00:41:43,429 No. 663 00:41:43,429 --> 00:41:44,929 Who's going to want to look at it like that? 664 00:41:44,989 --> 00:41:45,190 Yeah. 665 00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:45,829 I can't think of anything else. 666 00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:46,489 I think you're picking it up. 667 00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:49,570 Here you go. 668 00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:50,630 Yeah. 669 00:41:50,969 --> 00:41:51,369 Yeah. 670 00:41:52,570 --> 00:41:55,309 I think ours was, like, cut and paste from the one before. 671 00:41:55,449 --> 00:41:55,769 Right. 672 00:41:56,820 --> 00:42:01,639 I think the last town plant, I think, was cut and paste from the town plant before. 673 00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:02,980 No, let's not do that. 674 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,019 No, that's... 675 00:42:04,019 --> 00:42:04,920 I'm just saying that... 676 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:05,559 Most of it was. 677 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,239 Most of it was. 678 00:42:07,539 --> 00:42:09,159 And you got some of those, like, blonde historical photos. 679 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:09,619 Yeah. 680 00:42:09,619 --> 00:42:09,980 Yeah. 681 00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:10,420 I know. 682 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,300 I was thinking about that. 683 00:42:11,739 --> 00:42:13,059 That might be good to put in. 684 00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:13,539 We've got a slideshow. 685 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,000 People would like to play that. 686 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:15,579 We might be able to get some more. 687 00:42:15,699 --> 00:42:16,099 Yeah. 688 00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:17,119 Some more historical photos. 689 00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:17,920 Yeah. 690 00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:18,519 Lots. 691 00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:18,880 Yeah. 692 00:42:19,340 --> 00:42:22,460 I mean, I felt like this slideshow was really... 693 00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:23,300 That was cool. 694 00:42:23,460 --> 00:42:28,019 ...a really, like, wonderful part of our, like, visioning. 695 00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:28,300 Yeah. 696 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,840 It's sort of why you get into the light here. 697 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:30,320 Yeah. 698 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,219 Postcards and that. 699 00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:31,539 Yeah. 700 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,059 Well, that's where a lot of those... 701 00:42:34,059 --> 00:42:38,599 That slideshow that we had running out here that day, a lot of those were postcards. 702 00:42:38,739 --> 00:42:39,139 Okay. 703 00:42:39,219 --> 00:42:39,579 Cool. 704 00:42:39,579 --> 00:42:42,880 So, like, I have a bunch of postcards, and I know the town has a bunch of postcards. 705 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,099 And that's just something we cobbled together from you and Kurt, like, a couple days ago. 706 00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:46,420 Yeah. 707 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,260 There's a whole mess of historical stuff. 708 00:42:50,579 --> 00:42:50,760 Yeah. 709 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,320 So, again, it's, like, these are things, you know, that... 710 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,969 To think about, some of them you may care about more than others, or you may all be 711 00:42:59,969 --> 00:43:00,590 in consensus. 712 00:43:00,630 --> 00:43:03,610 You don't need to spend much time on, you know, like, yes, we all agree . 713 00:43:05,269 --> 00:43:06,590 But it's just kind of... 714 00:43:06,590 --> 00:43:11,969 It's helpful to talk about these things now to kind of smooth out the, you know, the drafting 715 00:43:11,969 --> 00:43:14,130 process going forward. 716 00:43:15,610 --> 00:43:16,409 Mm-hmm. 717 00:43:16,409 --> 00:43:22,349 As much ahead of time as what you want from us so that we can give you what you want. 718 00:43:22,409 --> 00:43:26,329 I think we just need to communicate because you're working on these other towns, 719 00:43:26,530 --> 00:43:32,730 and so you clearly have an idea of what different town plans and different processes look like. 720 00:43:32,929 --> 00:43:40,309 So if we work together, we should be able to get a nice seamless process together 721 00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:42,289 to come up with something that's really good. 722 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,780 What was the third topic? 723 00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:57,760 I think that was actually all of it because the drafting question, I think, was separate from the third topic. 724 00:43:57,980 --> 00:44:00,139 They just flowed right into each other, yeah. 725 00:44:00,460 --> 00:44:07,860 But yeah, so we're going to think about potential speakers to come as a resource for you at one of your August meetings. 726 00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:12,659 Is there a preference for, like, do you already have something scheduled for either an August meeting 727 00:44:12,659 --> 00:44:14,480 that one wouldn't work for a guest speaker? 728 00:44:14,659 --> 00:44:14,820 Okay. 729 00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:17,300 I do have some questions when you're done. 730 00:44:17,579 --> 00:44:18,380 Yeah, yeah. 731 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:19,019 I just wanted to know. 732 00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:22,940 So the regional plan, is that still open for public comment? 733 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,719 The first public hearing is on Thursday. 734 00:44:27,539 --> 00:44:28,019 Okay. 735 00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:28,739 It's hybrid. 736 00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:32,960 If you want to come in person, it's on Rupert, which is, like, over the choice. 737 00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:34,519 I was going to let everyone. 738 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:35,300 I know. 739 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,659 We try to move our meetings around the region. 740 00:44:37,659 --> 00:44:38,000 Stanford. 741 00:44:38,420 --> 00:44:38,880 Stanford. 742 00:44:39,579 --> 00:44:40,940 Yeah, we should. 743 00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:42,519 But Rupert won't come. 744 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,820 We did a meeting in Town Hall, and our Rupert route came. 745 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,019 So just suggest. 746 00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:51,639 Just so everyone knows, there is a BCRC meeting on Thursday. 747 00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:53,519 Is that 6 or 5? 748 00:44:53,699 --> 00:44:54,699 Does it start at 6? 749 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,039 It says 5.30, but, yeah. 750 00:44:56,059 --> 00:44:58,159 5.30 is a social, like, dinner party. 751 00:44:58,179 --> 00:45:00,159 So there is a link on the BCRC site. 752 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:00,599 Yeah. 753 00:45:00,739 --> 00:45:01,500 I'll see you there, Aldi. 754 00:45:01,659 --> 00:45:02,059 Yep. 755 00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:02,920 Yep. 756 00:45:02,940 --> 00:45:03,800 That's pretty good. 757 00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:04,619 I'm making a cake. 758 00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:06,199 I'm making a special cake. 759 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:13,440 I also want to know about, so the watershed, is that person also speaking on the 16th? 760 00:45:14,260 --> 00:45:15,739 Yeah, it's like a basin. 761 00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:17,280 Okay, yeah. 762 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:17,960 Oh, yeah. 763 00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:18,400 What? 764 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,300 Yeah, and that's... 765 00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:20,719 So that'll be part of that meeting? 766 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,780 On that Thursday? 767 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,900 And that's also open for public? 768 00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:27,280 There is a basin plan. 769 00:45:28,659 --> 00:45:30,480 You can Zoom it at night. 770 00:45:31,820 --> 00:45:38,920 If he signs up for the Zoom, will that give him a recording of the meeting? 771 00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:43,380 We don't have a sign-up, like it's a webinar, but we do record, and we do post it. 772 00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:46,760 We post the recording to our website after the meeting. 773 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,659 So he can go in and watch it after the meeting. 774 00:45:48,659 --> 00:45:48,880 Yeah. 775 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:49,159 Yeah. 776 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,539 If you have comments, I'm going to submit them. 777 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,300 Is there, are they taking public comments on that, too, on the basin? 778 00:45:57,619 --> 00:45:57,739 I'm not sure. 779 00:45:58,019 --> 00:46:02,179 I can ask our colleague, Jim, I haven't been... 780 00:46:02,179 --> 00:46:04,480 It looked like there was comments, but I didn't know when it closed. 781 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:11,219 I actually posed a couple questions to read about National Forest when they're deforesting 782 00:46:11,219 --> 00:46:17,039 the area, though, by roaring broken Carmel Brook watersheds, but I never got an answer. 783 00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:19,840 Okay, I'll ask about the public comments on the basin. 784 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,219 Okay. 785 00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:22,139 Thanks. 786 00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:22,860 So I was curious. 787 00:46:22,980 --> 00:46:26,559 Those are class, those are like class one streams, high-grade streams. 788 00:46:28,179 --> 00:46:33,719 I forget my exact question that I asked, but I had something to do with what was the, you 789 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,880 know, what happened to the stream after an operation. 790 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:36,820 Oh. 791 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,179 What is it? 792 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:38,900 What do they call them? 793 00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:39,800 High-class? 794 00:46:40,619 --> 00:46:41,119 What's that? 795 00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:43,239 What do you call the streams? 796 00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:44,239 Class one. 797 00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:46,380 They're like high-rated streams. 798 00:46:46,860 --> 00:46:47,840 Yeah, they come... 799 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,300 High-class. 800 00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:48,760 High-class. 801 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:48,860 Yeah. 802 00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:49,300 Yeah. 803 00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:49,460 Yeah. 804 00:46:49,739 --> 00:46:49,840 Yeah. 805 00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:51,659 So, I don't know if you, you know, in the past, I've seen, you know, rare and, you know, 806 00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:56,019 scarce biota, basically, for plants and stuff, grow up in there. 807 00:46:56,199 --> 00:47:00,320 I was just curious whether they knew that or what the conditions might be now, after 808 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:00,860 operations. 809 00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:02,780 Nothing, huh? 810 00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:03,679 But I never got an answer. 811 00:47:05,630 --> 00:47:06,070 No. 812 00:47:06,070 --> 00:47:10,550 But that was, that was all of the basin plan, at least the classifications of those streams. 813 00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:13,760 So, what's the day that this BCR came? 814 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:14,400 Thursday. 815 00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:15,199 This Thursday. 816 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:16,039 Thursday. 817 00:47:16,099 --> 00:47:16,239 Thursday. 818 00:47:16,539 --> 00:47:16,900 Thursday. 819 00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:17,219 5.30. 820 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:17,920 Dinner. 821 00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:18,199 Thursday. 822 00:47:18,460 --> 00:47:19,179 5.30. 823 00:47:19,179 --> 00:47:19,519 Yeah. 824 00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:20,480 6 o'clock is the business. 825 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:20,840 You got dinner. 826 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:21,400 5.30. 827 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,199 You can snack virtually for half an hour. 828 00:47:30,099 --> 00:47:34,000 And I think it'll just, I think the people who are doing presentations, 829 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,340 the screen share should show up in the recording, but it's just going to be audio because our owl, 830 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,260 our meeting owl that we use, the camera's busted. 831 00:47:43,139 --> 00:47:45,989 So, which is a bummer because that's like really expensive 832 00:47:45,989 --> 00:47:50,570 piece of equipment. The audio. So we'll know we're not wrong when 833 00:47:50,570 --> 00:47:54,469 we just hear it. Yeah, the audio will be recorded and I think like anyone who is giving a 834 00:47:54,469 --> 00:47:58,489 presentation will do, you know, the screen share will show up on the 835 00:47:58,489 --> 00:48:02,750 recording, but there won't be like, you won't really be able to 836 00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:07,159 see anybody in the room. They should 837 00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:12,190 do what we do. Yeah. Yeah, I think we're probably just going to have 838 00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:16,289 to get like a new camera to separately have to go with the audio 839 00:48:16,289 --> 00:48:19,829 of the owl. Because audio works fine, it's just the lens got really damaged 840 00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:23,590 recently and the image looks like weirdly 841 00:48:23,590 --> 00:48:26,030 like kaleidoscopic butthouse. 842 00:48:26,429 --> 00:48:35,829 I feel like you guys should be able to buy a 843 00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:39,699 new system. We, yeah, I mean, 844 00:48:39,739 --> 00:48:46,219 it's on my list to research getting a new. You can ask 845 00:48:46,219 --> 00:48:48,159 BCR for a grant. 846 00:48:50,980 --> 00:48:52,159 But yeah, so that'll be 847 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:56,480 Thursday 530 starts this dinner and social portion at 6 o'clock 848 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,860 is the business portion. And the info, the Zoom information 849 00:48:59,860 --> 00:49:03,900 and the agenda are, and the like public hearing notice and everything 850 00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:07,860 already posted on our website on the meetings page 851 00:49:07,860 --> 00:49:10,340 of the BCRC website. So that is all there. 852 00:49:12,340 --> 00:49:16,360 Do we still need an hour and a half to leave? Yeah, I mean, it depends 853 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,980 but, and you know, it depends on how many comments 854 00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:24,159 people have on either the tactical basin plan or the regional plan, but they're 855 00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:26,960 typically like an hour to 90 minutes. 856 00:49:32,739 --> 00:49:37,460 And just so you guys know, I did write to Callie and Sam and they do not 857 00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:41,059 dictate our, you know, village, rural, 858 00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:44,760 those outlines. We do, right? 859 00:49:46,909 --> 00:49:50,570 And the wetland maps are not done yet. So when I mentioned 860 00:49:50,570 --> 00:49:54,699 that before, I was told by members 861 00:49:54,699 --> 00:49:58,909 here, I think, that it was already set and it 862 00:49:58,909 --> 00:50:02,170 can't go any further that way or that way. 863 00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:05,849 You're talking about the village? That's the village center. Oh, that's what I thought. 864 00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:14,679 I think you guys put out like a sample map. Village center, yeah, now that's 865 00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:17,780 mapped in the regional plan. And I think 866 00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:24,199 I came in spring of last year to talk about it and then I 867 00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:27,719 remember some of my time back and forth because there was a question about 868 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:32,300 moving the boundary to the town garage. 869 00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:36,139 And then we decided ultimately 870 00:50:36,139 --> 00:50:39,119 to just keep the boundaries the way they are. 871 00:50:40,139 --> 00:50:44,300 I think that you, I mean, if there are 872 00:50:44,300 --> 00:50:48,420 questions or comments about the village center boundary, then 873 00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:53,530 you should let us know and we would be... I'm just wondering 874 00:50:53,530 --> 00:50:55,289 what the benefits or 875 00:50:55,929 --> 00:50:59,849 I mean, I had mentioned it once before and it 876 00:50:59,849 --> 00:51:03,570 didn't go over too well with various people, but 877 00:51:03,570 --> 00:51:07,730 I don't know why. I just want, it's not like I want the 878 00:51:07,730 --> 00:51:11,449 boundaries changed, but why does it 879 00:51:11,449 --> 00:51:15,369 not make sense to have the center 880 00:51:16,210 --> 00:51:20,090 starting from the bridge on the north end to 881 00:51:20,349 --> 00:51:24,090 the state line on the south end? Just 882 00:51:24,090 --> 00:51:25,610 the center of the road. 883 00:51:26,829 --> 00:51:29,110 I guess I would like to... 884 00:51:31,730 --> 00:51:33,409 But I guess you think of... 885 00:51:33,409 --> 00:51:34,010 That's not the whole town. 886 00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:36,030 You think of the center 887 00:51:36,030 --> 00:51:38,190 as being, you know, that 888 00:51:38,190 --> 00:51:39,750 is the center. 889 00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:44,489 Well, I think it has to do with 890 00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:46,230 grants and 891 00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:47,610 it would open up 892 00:51:47,610 --> 00:51:49,769 too much ability for 893 00:51:50,489 --> 00:51:52,329 almost the whole town to have grants. 894 00:51:52,329 --> 00:51:53,510 But who said that though? 895 00:51:53,730 --> 00:51:56,250 I don't, I think the state. The state does 896 00:51:56,469 --> 00:51:58,949 dictate. I mean, we had to, I think... 897 00:51:58,949 --> 00:51:59,750 We had to fight to get... 898 00:51:59,750 --> 00:52:01,369 We had to fight to get what we got. 899 00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:03,750 I do remember that. Yeah. 900 00:52:03,929 --> 00:52:05,690 That doesn't make any... 901 00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:07,630 No, it makes total sense. 902 00:52:07,690 --> 00:52:08,929 I thought it was our... 903 00:52:08,929 --> 00:52:12,050 The process has just changed. So I think that's 904 00:52:12,050 --> 00:52:13,030 why this little bit of... 905 00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:15,090 Because the process used to be exactly what 906 00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:17,670 you're describing where the town sort of 907 00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:20,010 went forward with a request for the center. 908 00:52:20,130 --> 00:52:20,449 Right. 909 00:52:20,469 --> 00:52:23,860 And then the state board 910 00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:26,619 had a meeting 911 00:52:26,820 --> 00:52:28,699 about it and decided what the appropriate 912 00:52:28,699 --> 00:52:30,360 boundary was. To let the towns decide. 913 00:52:30,460 --> 00:52:32,059 Correct. Well, so originally 914 00:52:32,059 --> 00:52:34,719 like even up until 915 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,340 like a year ago, the state 916 00:52:36,340 --> 00:52:38,760 body was still saying yes or no 917 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,059 to the boundary. Right. 918 00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:42,480 And so I think that's probably 919 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,440 where you would have gotten feedback 920 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:45,539 to keep it 921 00:52:45,539 --> 00:52:47,840 like very restricted. 922 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,300 Now the process is that 923 00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:52,500 we map it in the regional map 924 00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:54,579 and then like through 925 00:52:54,579 --> 00:52:55,900 conversation with municipalities 926 00:52:56,820 --> 00:52:58,139 and that when our regional plan 927 00:52:58,139 --> 00:53:00,119 is adopted, that's the boundary 928 00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:02,260 of the center. And so 929 00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:04,679 hopefully it will give the towns more 930 00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:07,219 room to sort of 931 00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:09,440 expand the centers. 932 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:10,619 But I think 933 00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:13,000 there are still some... 934 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,920 There's still some oversight from the state 935 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,559 about sort of the 936 00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:19,539 criteria for each center. 937 00:53:19,739 --> 00:53:21,199 And they are generally 938 00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,320 in favor of kind of keeping 939 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,199 them focused on 940 00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:27,360 areas that they consider to be 941 00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:29,199 more walkable. And so that might 942 00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:31,059 also be a constraint on 943 00:53:31,059 --> 00:53:33,739 going all the way to the southern border of the town. 944 00:53:34,409 --> 00:53:34,869 So 945 00:53:34,869 --> 00:53:37,110 the original, one of the original thoughts 946 00:53:37,110 --> 00:53:38,710 and I don't even know if this is still a thing, 947 00:53:38,829 --> 00:53:41,309 but outside of the village district there was then another 948 00:53:41,309 --> 00:53:43,550 circle of like a quarter mile or a half 949 00:53:43,550 --> 00:53:45,429 mile that was called the developmental 950 00:53:45,429 --> 00:53:47,650 zone. So the farther you expand 951 00:53:47,650 --> 00:53:49,550 the village center, the farther you expand 952 00:53:49,550 --> 00:53:50,869 the developmental zone. So that's the way 953 00:53:51,449 --> 00:53:52,269 they were... 954 00:53:52,269 --> 00:53:55,710 The old version, the way that I read it 955 00:53:55,710 --> 00:53:57,389 from the state 956 00:53:58,659 --> 00:54:00,219 that's the old version where you 957 00:54:00,219 --> 00:54:02,019 had a center village and then you had 958 00:54:02,019 --> 00:54:04,139 the outer circle. And I think 959 00:54:04,139 --> 00:54:05,820 there was even a larger 960 00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:06,619 circle too. 961 00:54:06,860 --> 00:54:10,119 I think that 962 00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:11,460 was the whole purpose of it all. 963 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,780 But, and then 964 00:54:13,780 --> 00:54:15,699 I thought it was 965 00:54:15,699 --> 00:54:17,880 it might have been Jim Sullivan 966 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,719 because I had seen him in Bennington. 967 00:54:20,429 --> 00:54:22,010 He had mentioned something 968 00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:23,309 recently. It was like 969 00:54:23,309 --> 00:54:26,400 it was in the winter time. But 970 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,559 he had mentioned something of that 971 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,519 effect where now you just 972 00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:30,960 we 973 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,559 designate where our boundaries are. 974 00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:36,780 That's why I was always confused as to why 975 00:54:36,780 --> 00:54:38,820 I got shut up. 976 00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:40,920 I mean every time I brought it up a couple of 977 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,940 times it was like, oh no, it's already set. 978 00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:45,000 But why? 979 00:54:45,659 --> 00:54:46,420 Well it's 980 00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:49,159 just in like the last year and a half. 981 00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:51,039 So I think 982 00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:53,000 I guess I came 983 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,940 last spring and we talked 984 00:54:54,940 --> 00:54:56,500 about it and then 985 00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:58,099 I don't think 986 00:54:59,059 --> 00:55:00,440 I didn't get any 987 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,599 formal comments requesting for a southern 988 00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:04,719 expansion. I know we have had that exchange 989 00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:05,780 about the 990 00:55:06,860 --> 00:55:08,460 northwestern expansion. And 991 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,260 that again was sort of 992 00:55:10,260 --> 00:55:12,860 a walkability issue I think where they don't 993 00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:13,840 the state still 994 00:55:14,889 --> 00:55:16,949 has some oversight and they don't 995 00:55:16,949 --> 00:55:18,750 want villages just sort of 996 00:55:19,139 --> 00:55:21,119 expanding to 997 00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:21,980 pull in 998 00:55:21,980 --> 00:55:25,809 one specific area. Especially 999 00:55:25,809 --> 00:55:27,570 if there aren't plans to 1000 00:55:27,570 --> 00:55:29,429 develop the road 1001 00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:31,610 connecting to the garage I think 1002 00:55:31,610 --> 00:55:33,190 is another big piece of it. So 1003 00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:35,449 they want to see that the 1004 00:55:35,449 --> 00:55:37,030 contiguous village center 1005 00:55:37,809 --> 00:55:39,550 is an area that Stanford 1006 00:55:39,550 --> 00:55:41,510 wants to see sort of as 1007 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:43,179 like a 1008 00:55:44,730 --> 00:55:45,289 residential 1009 00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:47,610 mixed use 1010 00:55:48,250 --> 00:55:50,050 civic center of 1011 00:55:50,050 --> 00:55:52,530 the village. And so that was sort of the 1012 00:55:52,530 --> 00:55:54,679 Completely different way. 1013 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:55,679 I feel like 1014 00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:59,170 Why don't you finish? 1015 00:55:59,409 --> 00:56:00,610 I've got to eat right now. 1016 00:56:01,969 --> 00:56:02,989 You have that much? 1017 00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:05,119 I know you have an acre and a half. 1018 00:56:05,780 --> 00:56:06,420 Yeah but 1019 00:56:07,820 --> 00:56:09,880 I feel like we need 1020 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,000 more discussion on this. I'm not 1021 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,099 this doesn't 1022 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,820 it's not really making 1023 00:56:15,820 --> 00:56:17,980 it's not really making a lot of sense 1024 00:56:17,980 --> 00:56:19,800 to me. This was this decision 1025 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,800 that was made by 1026 00:56:22,179 --> 00:56:23,519 in my opinion 1027 00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:25,639 now I'm not trying to be 1028 00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:27,920 a bully or anything like 1029 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,980 that. But it was made. Boom. Done. 1030 00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:31,820 And it was like when 1031 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,940 when I started to understand 1032 00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:36,070 the reason 1033 00:56:36,070 --> 00:56:38,110 when I tried to understand 1034 00:56:39,130 --> 00:56:39,650 where 1035 00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:41,570 where the town 1036 00:56:42,670 --> 00:56:43,710 would prosper 1037 00:56:44,389 --> 00:56:46,230 in the long run. Wouldn't it make sense 1038 00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:48,489 to have the bridge 1039 00:56:48,489 --> 00:56:50,210 the whole center of 1040 00:56:50,210 --> 00:56:51,989 Stanford. It's not the whole town. 1041 00:56:52,349 --> 00:56:53,510 The only way you're going to prosper 1042 00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:55,269 It's a half a mile. Right? 1043 00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:57,929 It's still the same goal. It's a lot of changes. 1044 00:56:58,170 --> 00:56:59,969 The only way you can prosper is that one person 1045 00:56:59,969 --> 00:57:01,110 Exactly. But you 1046 00:57:02,610 --> 00:57:04,429 would make more sense to expand 1047 00:57:04,429 --> 00:57:06,130 Yeah because 1048 00:57:06,130 --> 00:57:08,829 I mean again so when you think about it 1049 00:57:08,829 --> 00:57:10,429 if you're thinking about walkability 1050 00:57:10,429 --> 00:57:11,909 and development 1051 00:57:11,909 --> 00:57:14,769 it really makes more 1052 00:57:14,769 --> 00:57:16,690 sense for instance if you were 1053 00:57:16,690 --> 00:57:18,489 talking about this center right here 1054 00:57:18,489 --> 00:57:20,610 it makes more sense to 1055 00:57:20,610 --> 00:57:23,630 develop for instance 1056 00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:25,510 around above the fire house 1057 00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:26,630 you know in between 1058 00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:29,630 you know Mill and Jepson 1059 00:57:29,630 --> 00:57:31,409 in that area so 1060 00:57:31,409 --> 00:57:33,250 it makes more sense to be there 1061 00:57:33,570 --> 00:57:35,210 than it does down by my house. 1062 00:57:35,489 --> 00:57:37,389 Yeah there's no businesses down there. 1063 00:57:37,489 --> 00:57:39,070 The golf course would make sense 1064 00:57:39,070 --> 00:57:40,929 to put it there. Not the land 1065 00:57:40,929 --> 00:57:42,869 but the structure. Right. 1066 00:57:42,869 --> 00:57:44,969 It's walkable into the village town. 1067 00:57:45,150 --> 00:57:47,110 The historic village from everything 1068 00:57:47,110 --> 00:57:49,210 I've ever seen or read is from the lane 1069 00:57:49,210 --> 00:57:51,170 to the bridge that was it. That's the village. 1070 00:57:51,690 --> 00:57:53,329 I didn't want to go as far 1071 00:57:53,329 --> 00:57:54,530 But when you 1072 00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:56,489 but what does so 1073 00:57:56,489 --> 00:57:58,530 but when you're talking about this 1074 00:57:58,530 --> 00:58:00,849 what does history 1075 00:58:01,380 --> 00:58:03,090 play into this in that 1076 00:58:03,570 --> 00:58:05,409 if you're talking about planning 1077 00:58:05,409 --> 00:58:06,469 for the future 1078 00:58:06,469 --> 00:58:09,050 what does the history have to do with it? 1079 00:58:10,869 --> 00:58:11,670 That's what 1080 00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:12,530 that's what 1081 00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:14,690 This is a 1082 00:58:15,550 --> 00:58:17,409 philosophical debate in the state of Vermont 1083 00:58:17,409 --> 00:58:19,349 It is. It really is. 1084 00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:21,030 And I don't mean to make light of it 1085 00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:23,269 this question of is it 1086 00:58:23,269 --> 00:58:25,230 future planning or is it 1087 00:58:25,230 --> 00:58:27,110 recognizing the historic center 1088 00:58:27,110 --> 00:58:27,670 is 1089 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,460 of tension. It's actually 1090 00:58:31,460 --> 00:58:33,519 okay if it's either if you just 1091 00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:35,539 state what it is but that's where my 1092 00:58:35,539 --> 00:58:36,920 confusion is. I don't 1093 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,380 I don't understand what 1094 00:58:39,380 --> 00:58:41,460 it is, the goal of this 1095 00:58:41,460 --> 00:58:43,340 is and what it's trying to accomplish. 1096 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,340 To have downtowns look like 1097 00:58:45,340 --> 00:58:47,019 kind of like Bennington does and so on 1098 00:58:47,019 --> 00:58:48,980 where you have a 200 year old building 1099 00:58:48,980 --> 00:58:50,320 that the dentist works on 1100 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,119 or the next building is an old structure 1101 00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:54,500 that the butcher works on 1102 00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:57,079 It's preservation of historic buildings 1103 00:58:57,579 --> 00:58:59,579 in a downtown center. Well without knowing 1104 00:58:59,579 --> 00:59:01,719 which one it is it's hard to really draw 1105 00:59:01,719 --> 00:59:03,260 the boundary. I 1106 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:04,579 Right, right. 1107 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,539 Yeah so why is 1108 00:59:07,539 --> 00:59:08,440 Billmont's in there? 1109 00:59:08,969 --> 00:59:11,190 Because it was a business 1110 00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:12,570 and they might use brands. 1111 00:59:12,949 --> 00:59:14,269 Yeah but see that 1112 00:59:14,269 --> 00:59:17,110 I mean I was 1113 00:59:17,110 --> 00:59:18,909 I mean I was here 1114 00:59:18,909 --> 00:59:21,250 when I was here at those meetings 1115 00:59:21,250 --> 00:59:22,849 when we were discussing it 1116 00:59:22,849 --> 00:59:24,789 and discussing it going down to Billmont's 1117 00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:27,309 and why we were talking about it 1118 00:59:27,309 --> 00:59:29,489 going to Billmont's is not at all 1119 00:59:30,909 --> 00:59:32,030 it was 1120 00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:34,050 it was all about oh they're a business 1121 00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:35,590 and oh they might need grants 1122 00:59:36,250 --> 00:59:38,050 but now you're sitting here 1123 00:59:38,050 --> 00:59:39,929 telling me it's about preserving 1124 00:59:39,929 --> 00:59:42,210 the historic structures 1125 00:59:42,210 --> 00:59:43,010 and the historic 1126 00:59:43,010 --> 00:59:45,050 I didn't want to go as far as Billmont's 1127 00:59:45,050 --> 00:59:47,969 But you see 1128 00:59:47,969 --> 00:59:49,429 Kurt I don't understand 1129 00:59:50,329 --> 00:59:50,929 why 1130 00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:53,550 Because in my mind's eye 1131 00:59:53,550 --> 00:59:55,550 it depletes the whole reason 1132 00:59:55,550 --> 00:59:56,690 for a village center 1133 00:59:56,690 --> 00:59:59,090 See we have 1134 00:59:59,090 --> 01:00:01,929 we have bylaws right 1135 01:00:01,929 --> 01:00:04,329 and our bylaws we can write 1136 01:00:04,469 --> 01:00:05,190 our bylaws 1137 01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:08,329 to create our laws 1138 01:00:08,329 --> 01:00:10,250 for downtown and our village center 1139 01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:12,130 It opens up 1140 01:00:12,130 --> 01:00:13,349 the village center 1141 01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:16,480 idea or for the 1142 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:17,820 state designation 1143 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,280 it opens us for 1144 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,079 possible grants throughout 1145 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:23,960 now God forbid 1146 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,460 but at some point 1147 01:00:25,460 --> 01:00:27,280 Pam's not going to be around 1148 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,219 and maybe her family may 1149 01:00:30,219 --> 01:00:32,320 want to sell all of that property 1150 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:33,380 down there right? 1151 01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:35,780 Do you know how to preserve 1152 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:36,820 maybe 1153 01:00:36,820 --> 01:00:39,360 The grants aren't for home construction 1154 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:40,780 they're for preservation 1155 01:00:40,780 --> 01:00:44,329 Kurt all you need to do 1156 01:00:44,329 --> 01:00:45,829 is explain to me why 1157 01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:47,530 you're dead set against 1158 01:00:47,530 --> 01:00:49,489 Let's let Kelly speak for a minute 1159 01:00:49,489 --> 01:00:50,050 Huh? 1160 01:00:52,769 --> 01:00:55,050 Let's hear what Kelly has to say 1161 01:00:55,849 --> 01:00:56,530 Kelly 1162 01:00:59,570 --> 01:01:02,139 I don't think anything that I'm 1163 01:01:02,139 --> 01:01:04,320 going to say is so important but 1164 01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:06,800 to me I kind of see it as like 1165 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,719 the village center is trying 1166 01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:11,280 to have the best of both worlds 1167 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,039 with both looking forward 1168 01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:14,719 and preserving 1169 01:01:15,300 --> 01:01:16,519 what is there 1170 01:01:16,519 --> 01:01:19,039 and it's often about 1171 01:01:19,039 --> 01:01:20,019 kind of acknowledging 1172 01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:21,960 the historic 1173 01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:24,099 center of 1174 01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:27,119 civic life in a community 1175 01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:28,719 and using that 1176 01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:30,300 as the focal point for 1177 01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:32,780 future growth 1178 01:01:32,780 --> 01:01:34,699 you know and I think 1179 01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:35,820 identifying that 1180 01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:38,219 limited you know area 1181 01:01:38,219 --> 01:01:40,320 where a community might want 1182 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,780 you know some 1183 01:01:43,710 --> 01:01:45,429 development to happen that is 1184 01:01:45,429 --> 01:01:46,769 appropriate for their community 1185 01:01:46,769 --> 01:01:49,150 but it's centered on 1186 01:01:49,150 --> 01:01:51,070 what has been a historic 1187 01:01:51,630 --> 01:01:53,289 See the word development right there 1188 01:01:53,289 --> 01:01:54,090 is what scares me 1189 01:01:54,090 --> 01:01:57,269 Exactly because how do you preserve 1190 01:01:57,809 --> 01:01:59,320 and develop 1191 01:01:59,739 --> 01:02:01,400 like you're either preserving 1192 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:02,440 a historic because 1193 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,159 you know we don't have businesses 1194 01:02:05,940 --> 01:02:06,699 so what we have 1195 01:02:06,699 --> 01:02:09,000 is basically residents 1196 01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:11,079 residencies and church 1197 01:02:11,079 --> 01:02:12,139 and a couple of churches 1198 01:02:12,139 --> 01:02:13,860 and so on so 1199 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,099 there's no butcher shop 1200 01:02:17,099 --> 01:02:18,800 in the top of you know 1201 01:02:19,820 --> 01:02:21,500 There's encouraging development in an area 1202 01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:22,599 that's probably 60% 1203 01:02:23,530 --> 01:02:25,690 from the lane south 1204 01:02:25,690 --> 01:02:27,510 that's probably at least 60% 1205 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,360 And I don't you know when I say development 1206 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,340 I don't mean like that this 1207 01:02:32,340 --> 01:02:34,920 necessarily that like this opens the door 1208 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,019 for you know massive levels 1209 01:02:37,019 --> 01:02:37,699 of development 1210 01:02:37,699 --> 01:02:40,840 Your land use regulations are still in place 1211 01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,119 whether you do a village center or not 1212 01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:43,980 I think 1213 01:02:44,730 --> 01:02:46,360 again it's about kind of 1214 01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,440 acknowledging that 1215 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:49,880 you know this 1216 01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,460 area where we're sitting right now 1217 01:02:52,460 --> 01:02:54,139 has kind of historically been 1218 01:02:54,139 --> 01:02:56,559 the center of civic life 1219 01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:57,900 and that there 1220 01:02:57,900 --> 01:03:00,630 you know this is where 1221 01:03:00,630 --> 01:03:02,090 the majority of mixed uses 1222 01:03:02,090 --> 01:03:04,809 exist in town or that many of them 1223 01:03:05,170 --> 01:03:05,309 exist elsewhere 1224 01:03:05,309 --> 01:03:07,349 but there are some mixed uses right here 1225 01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:08,690 where you've got the school 1226 01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:10,130 and the municipal building 1227 01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:10,969 you've got a church 1228 01:03:10,969 --> 01:03:13,750 you've got you know the like 1229 01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:14,530 creamery 1230 01:03:14,530 --> 01:03:16,889 But nothing to the southern border 1231 01:03:16,889 --> 01:03:19,469 Yeah and then you've got the country store 1232 01:03:19,469 --> 01:03:20,909 and you've got some residences too 1233 01:03:20,909 --> 01:03:25,130 so this is where most of the mixed uses 1234 01:03:25,130 --> 01:03:27,409 happen already in Stanford 1235 01:03:27,409 --> 01:03:28,510 and that 1236 01:03:28,510 --> 01:03:30,070 the village center 1237 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,500 mapping acknowledges that 1238 01:03:35,460 --> 01:03:37,699 you know you can kind of 1239 01:03:38,369 --> 01:03:40,730 again I'm trying not to use the word like 1240 01:03:40,730 --> 01:03:41,710 preserve and 1241 01:03:42,570 --> 01:03:43,510 develop because 1242 01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:46,949 I think this is a really good conversation 1243 01:03:46,949 --> 01:03:47,889 to be having 1244 01:03:48,550 --> 01:03:50,980 as you're in the middle 1245 01:03:50,980 --> 01:03:52,340 of a town plan update 1246 01:03:52,340 --> 01:03:54,719 because the same way that the 1247 01:03:54,719 --> 01:03:56,679 natural resource planning 1248 01:03:56,679 --> 01:03:58,440 informs your 1249 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,500 like this conversation 1250 01:04:00,500 --> 01:04:01,659 and a sort of 1251 01:04:01,659 --> 01:04:04,329 high level discussion about 1252 01:04:04,949 --> 01:04:05,710 like where 1253 01:04:07,030 --> 01:04:08,210 these boundaries should go 1254 01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:10,909 this is a really good time to have that 1255 01:04:10,909 --> 01:04:12,650 and to start 1256 01:04:12,650 --> 01:04:14,949 really trying to answer these questions 1257 01:04:14,949 --> 01:04:15,750 and 1258 01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:18,619 the village center boundaries 1259 01:04:18,619 --> 01:04:20,019 like that can be changed 1260 01:04:20,019 --> 01:04:23,039 and I think having clear 1261 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,300 planning policies in your 1262 01:04:25,300 --> 01:04:27,000 town plan and in your bylaws 1263 01:04:27,380 --> 01:04:29,380 will be the directive 1264 01:04:29,380 --> 01:04:31,519 to really enforce 1265 01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:32,900 those changes 1266 01:04:32,900 --> 01:04:35,219 like for the village center boundary 1267 01:04:35,219 --> 01:04:36,619 and so 1268 01:04:37,639 --> 01:04:38,860 like the regional plan is 1269 01:04:38,860 --> 01:04:40,480 in the process of being adopted 1270 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,059 but we can make an amendment 1271 01:04:42,059 --> 01:04:45,039 if Stanford wants to change the center boundaries 1272 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:46,639 like there are 1273 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:48,679 avenues for changing that 1274 01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:49,920 and I don't think this conversation 1275 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,019 should be rushed 1276 01:04:51,019 --> 01:04:53,300 because these are the big questions 1277 01:04:53,300 --> 01:04:55,739 and we also have 1278 01:04:55,739 --> 01:04:57,940 we just had a similar discussion 1279 01:04:57,940 --> 01:04:59,199 with another community 1280 01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:00,539 and we pulled together 1281 01:05:01,650 --> 01:05:03,730 there is a state resource 1282 01:05:03,730 --> 01:05:06,269 that kind of describes the designations 1283 01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:10,210 and sort of how they work 1284 01:05:10,210 --> 01:05:10,969 in the new structure 1285 01:05:10,969 --> 01:05:12,670 and what the benefits are 1286 01:05:12,670 --> 01:05:15,610 and how they interact with 1287 01:05:16,369 --> 01:05:17,750 you know land use 1288 01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:18,809 what was that resource 1289 01:05:20,409 --> 01:05:21,010 yeah 1290 01:05:23,030 --> 01:05:24,230 state planning 1291 01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:26,429 and then there is also 1292 01:05:26,429 --> 01:05:28,329 a specific page 1293 01:05:28,329 --> 01:05:29,550 that I think addresses 1294 01:05:30,250 --> 01:05:32,530 the day in this conversation 1295 01:05:32,530 --> 01:05:33,349 is the state 1296 01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:34,250 yeah yeah 1297 01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:41,280 I 1298 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,199 one way or the other 1299 01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:45,119 I'm just trying to figure out 1300 01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:46,619 why wouldn't you 1301 01:05:46,619 --> 01:05:48,539 and what is the benefits 1302 01:05:48,539 --> 01:05:50,159 I guess that's a discussion 1303 01:05:50,159 --> 01:05:52,019 we need to have 1304 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:53,679 again because 1305 01:05:54,719 --> 01:05:55,559 makes no sense 1306 01:05:55,559 --> 01:05:57,480 east west expansion 1307 01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:01,260 farther up the road 1308 01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:02,440 farther down the lane 1309 01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:06,500 that's just historically more compact 1310 01:06:07,219 --> 01:06:09,139 when you keep going back to 1311 01:06:09,139 --> 01:06:10,599 we keep circling around 1312 01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:11,920 and also looking at these 1313 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:13,199 zoning districts 1314 01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:16,880 so we're in the midst of doing the bylaws too 1315 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,460 so we're going to need to know 1316 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:20,280 for our 1317 01:06:21,369 --> 01:06:23,389 village center bylaws 1318 01:06:23,389 --> 01:06:24,510 we'll have specific 1319 01:06:25,230 --> 01:06:26,510 topic we'll have a 1320 01:06:27,110 --> 01:06:28,969 well the village center is not going to be 1321 01:06:28,969 --> 01:06:30,869 a separate section in the bylaw as of now 1322 01:06:30,869 --> 01:06:32,269 it will be 1323 01:06:32,269 --> 01:06:33,929 I mean why wouldn't it be 1324 01:06:33,929 --> 01:06:34,849 it's not a section 1325 01:06:35,369 --> 01:06:36,610 it's just part of the residential 1326 01:06:38,010 --> 01:06:39,250 it's not a code section 1327 01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:41,980 as a section 1328 01:06:41,980 --> 01:06:45,139 I mean the designation of the village center 1329 01:06:45,719 --> 01:06:47,019 at some point 1330 01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:49,159 we may end up having to 1331 01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:50,880 write some bylaws for it 1332 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:51,699 I'm just saying 1333 01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:53,639 we'd have to make it 1334 01:06:53,639 --> 01:06:57,280 its own section which we didn't last time we talked about it 1335 01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,300 no I know we didn't 1336 01:06:59,300 --> 01:07:01,500 last time we talked about it 1337 01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:02,659 a couple of meetings ago we decided 1338 01:07:02,659 --> 01:07:04,559 it didn't behoove us to really add that 1339 01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:07,239 we lost a little bit of money because we weren't willing 1340 01:07:07,239 --> 01:07:08,039 to change something 1341 01:07:08,070 --> 01:07:10,980 you could get 1342 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:12,739 I won't get into it 1343 01:07:12,739 --> 01:07:14,840 you could get into certain things in the village 1344 01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,059 where you could change the language 1345 01:07:16,059 --> 01:07:17,659 and have absolutely no effect whatsoever 1346 01:07:19,570 --> 01:07:20,789 I think it was 1347 01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:23,550 we were considering having it be 1348 01:07:23,550 --> 01:07:24,010 one acre 1349 01:07:25,659 --> 01:07:26,960 have it be what 1350 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:27,739 one acre 1351 01:07:27,739 --> 01:07:29,320 have a minimum of one acre 1352 01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:29,739 right 1353 01:07:29,739 --> 01:07:39,519 that was another one Jim Sullivan 1354 01:07:39,519 --> 01:07:41,179 was trying to get us to do at the time 1355 01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:43,179 I mean there's some 1356 01:07:44,750 --> 01:07:46,769 there's lots in the village here 1357 01:07:46,769 --> 01:07:47,710 that are less than an acre 1358 01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:50,719 less than a half acre 1359 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:53,000 well 1360 01:07:55,460 --> 01:07:56,340 anything else 1361 01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,579 no they're like we're never coming back to see you again 1362 01:07:59,579 --> 01:08:01,860 seriously that was so long 1363 01:08:01,860 --> 01:08:03,059 thank you very much 1364 01:08:03,059 --> 01:08:04,139 but we will 1365 01:08:04,139 --> 01:08:05,539 you're very respectful 1366 01:08:05,539 --> 01:08:08,840 we will follow up again with the 1367 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,820 raw survey data and the spreadsheet 1368 01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:13,519 the manual research 1369 01:08:13,519 --> 01:08:15,139 from the state that talks about 1370 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:16,159 the village center destinations 1371 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,520 and once we have some more information 1372 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:20,579 about a potential speaker 1373 01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:22,420 in August 1374 01:08:22,420 --> 01:08:24,840 and then probably also want to come to your 1375 01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:25,859 maybe your first September 1376 01:08:25,859 --> 01:08:28,319 but we will 1377 01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:31,479 do the discussion and then kind of 1378 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,000 continue the discussion 1379 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,119 about structure and draft 1380 01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:35,720 so we'll talk about this in the meantime 1381 01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,399 yeah so take some time to think about 1382 01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:40,359 what works best for you 1383 01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:41,619 thank you very much 1384 01:08:41,619 --> 01:08:42,939 thank you 1385 01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:46,000 well we'll get some 1386 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,359 I don't know 1387 01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:48,300 I think the ice cream 1388 01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:53,159 I was like it's open till 8 1389 01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:56,800 that was a life changing donut 1390 01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:57,520 that I had 1391 01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,079 I was like texting 1392 01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:01,380 I was like this is the best donut 1393 01:09:01,380 --> 01:09:02,039 I've ever had 1394 01:09:02,039 --> 01:09:02,640 wow 1395 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,020 she gave it to me in two minutes 1396 01:09:09,020 --> 01:09:11,000 thank you 1397 01:09:11,939 --> 01:09:12,979 thank you 1398 01:09:16,310 --> 01:09:21,250 right here what do you got for us oh yeah oh yeah 1399 01:09:35,470 --> 01:09:44,010 i'm here this evening i'm sure you guys got so many articles but probably nothing to the extent 1400 01:09:44,010 --> 01:09:49,529 of nothing not like that it's not that big so this is all useful information and i kind of 1401 01:09:49,529 --> 01:09:54,569 wrote it down in the categories this is just randomness this is old articles and stuff is 1402 01:09:54,569 --> 01:10:01,689 standard historically not officially um precedents there's a lot of precedents in there um this is 1403 01:10:01,689 --> 01:10:08,329 the one i was going to give to natalie she's not here so um i kind of broke them down basically on 1404 01:10:08,329 --> 01:10:12,510 ways i thought might be interested but you guys can change them around you can throw them out 1405 01:10:13,170 --> 01:10:13,850 store them 1406 01:10:14,010 --> 01:10:16,590 whatever you want there's a bunch of old bylaws for you 1407 01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:21,390 this i put a little vital on it but i usually hear a statement 1408 01:10:24,210 --> 01:10:29,609 wilderness and job which is for you just wilderness roads you get harry 1409 01:10:31,909 --> 01:10:36,909 that's very good so much thicker than you'll learn a lot of that if you ever remember harry 1410 01:10:36,909 --> 01:10:41,189 at all you're gonna enjoy that give it the definite i'll take it i'll take it because 1411 01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:43,890 i own so it's just loaded i don't want to touch it 1412 01:10:44,010 --> 01:10:45,529 uh Excuse me 1413 01:10:45,529 --> 01:10:46,710 historical details that are in the article like i 1414 01:10:46,710 --> 01:10:50,170 said a lot of precedents in there like old articles from the 80s and 90s from 1415 01:10:50,170 --> 01:10:52,029 standard where this and this or that happened 1416 01:10:52,029 --> 01:11:14,500 i did some research real quick and came across a lot of historical details like i said a lot of precedents in there like old articles from the 80s and 90s and some standards where this and this and that happened um in different references mostly on land use management there's water is open areas articles wall stone walls this is good because you know yours is about independent state what is it what did you say vermont was an independent state was a republic state 1417 01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:16,579 I lived in Vermont for a long time, even after the revolution. 1418 01:11:18,039 --> 01:11:21,239 I had my own, like, whole set of government. 1419 01:11:23,119 --> 01:11:26,060 So yeah, background, you know, read it, don't read it. 1420 01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:28,659 I just tend to know what else to do when I'm at my house, 1421 01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,159 and I hated to just have it sit there because a lot of it. 1422 01:11:32,279 --> 01:11:33,840 At one time I read this all. 1423 01:11:34,420 --> 01:11:35,779 I haven't read it all recently. 1424 01:11:36,079 --> 01:11:39,319 I wouldn't say I agree with all of it, but all of it is, like, insightful. 1425 01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:40,939 It's information. 1426 01:11:40,939 --> 01:11:41,560 Yeah. 1427 01:11:42,119 --> 01:11:42,939 Thanks very much. 1428 01:11:44,539 --> 01:11:46,199 I'm in the process of taking... 1429 01:11:46,199 --> 01:11:48,159 Is this stuff to keep after? 1430 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,140 Because I'm putting it together. 1431 01:11:50,859 --> 01:11:54,039 Deb really asked me to put it all in a binder to kind of share. 1432 01:11:54,199 --> 01:11:56,000 So can I have all this when we're done with it? 1433 01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:57,579 It's all worthy of keeping. 1434 01:11:57,619 --> 01:12:00,460 I kept everything out of it that I wanted for myself. 1435 01:12:00,939 --> 01:12:03,340 So when we're done with it, I'll put it in a binder. 1436 01:12:03,460 --> 01:12:05,380 Some of this is personal to them. 1437 01:12:07,279 --> 01:12:09,520 That was an article pulled out of... 1438 01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:10,619 You know, this is... 1439 01:12:10,619 --> 01:12:11,600 Oh, it might be. 1440 01:12:12,060 --> 01:12:14,439 It's a copy of their home and stuff. 1441 01:12:14,619 --> 01:12:14,779 Yeah. 1442 01:12:16,460 --> 01:12:19,199 It's just in there with rugs, but nothing overly personal. 1443 01:12:19,340 --> 01:12:19,680 No, no. 1444 01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:23,079 Yeah, it's just stuff that they've been giving me. 1445 01:12:23,079 --> 01:12:25,119 They gave me another pamphlet the other day. 1446 01:12:25,260 --> 01:12:26,939 So I got into that one. 1447 01:12:27,020 --> 01:12:27,359 Yeah. 1448 01:12:27,539 --> 01:12:30,340 But it's all good stuff, and I did read it all at one time. 1449 01:12:30,539 --> 01:12:33,420 I feel like a lot of this stuff should be scanned in. 1450 01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,319 I've just been kind of going through a lot of different organizational stuff. 1451 01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:38,920 I just didn't want to throw it in the bin. 1452 01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:39,300 Yeah. 1453 01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:40,060 If we put it... 1454 01:12:40,060 --> 01:12:40,979 I'll put it in the... 1455 01:12:41,579 --> 01:12:42,640 Maybe binders, plural. 1456 01:12:44,340 --> 01:12:44,800 Yeah. 1457 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,060 Like, you know, I was reading that one, and I kind of thought it might be a good thing, 1458 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:49,180 but the thing is... 1459 01:12:49,180 --> 01:12:54,239 It's a very good thing. 1460 01:12:55,420 --> 01:12:59,119 I'm going to make sure I'm not going to put it in the bin. 1461 01:13:00,819 --> 01:13:00,920 Yeah. 1462 01:13:01,939 --> 01:13:02,399 Yeah. 1463 01:13:02,659 --> 01:13:03,039 Yeah. 1464 01:13:03,460 --> 01:13:03,920 Yeah. 1465 01:13:04,220 --> 01:13:04,680 Yeah. 1466 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:04,760 Yeah. 1467 01:13:05,939 --> 01:13:06,359 Yeah. 1468 01:13:07,279 --> 01:13:07,739 Yeah. 1469 01:13:10,199 --> 01:13:10,659 Yeah. 1470 01:13:23,670 --> 01:13:30,069 It's also when you see the way some of the things have changed, it's helpful because 1471 01:13:30,069 --> 01:13:34,210 when people will say, oh, that's the way it's always been, actually, no, it's different. 1472 01:13:34,430 --> 01:13:35,369 A lot of the articles are dated. 1473 01:13:35,390 --> 01:13:40,529 That's very interesting because there was a whole survey and a town plan in the late 1474 01:13:40,529 --> 01:13:43,970 80s, and they're going to come up, their maps are in there, too, the little maps of 1475 01:13:43,970 --> 01:13:46,409 those 25-acre lots and all that are in your panties. 1476 01:13:47,829 --> 01:13:48,930 And it just lost. 1477 01:13:49,149 --> 01:13:54,649 It lost at a special town meeting in December of 1989, and it just kind of went away, and 1478 01:13:54,649 --> 01:13:58,069 we just reordered it back to the bylaws that were in place at the time. 1479 01:13:58,569 --> 01:14:02,869 There was a lot of conversation about it, and that was right after, you know, everything 1480 01:14:02,869 --> 01:14:08,529 that was going on in the Star Wars game came together, so they kind of meshed together. 1481 01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:10,949 That's three years after I moved. 1482 01:14:11,010 --> 01:14:12,670 You moved here in 86. 1483 01:14:13,989 --> 01:14:17,409 They wanted, I mean, there was articles in the transcript and everything else. 1484 01:14:17,470 --> 01:14:21,550 I'm not sure who got what, but it's all out there, different articles. 1485 01:14:21,909 --> 01:14:22,430 Cool. 1486 01:14:22,529 --> 01:14:24,609 That Stanford actually used to be reported on. 1487 01:14:24,609 --> 01:14:30,989 This is when they reclassified County Road, Risting Ranch, and Klondike as Class 4. 1488 01:14:31,229 --> 01:14:34,369 Yeah, so there's precedent in one of the road plans. 1489 01:14:34,369 --> 01:14:35,109 What was it before? 1490 01:14:35,789 --> 01:14:37,729 They were town roads that were plowed. 1491 01:14:37,970 --> 01:14:38,470 Yeah. 1492 01:14:38,609 --> 01:14:39,130 Yeah. 1493 01:14:39,170 --> 01:14:39,590 Oh. 1494 01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:40,989 So Sparrow Drive was a project. 1495 01:14:41,010 --> 01:14:43,289 It was a private road that had to become a town road. 1496 01:14:43,529 --> 01:14:46,010 Yeah, it did in November 29, 1984. 1497 01:14:47,489 --> 01:14:48,890 A lot of this dated stuff. 1498 01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:49,890 There it is. 1499 01:14:49,890 --> 01:14:50,810 You got it right there. 1500 01:14:50,930 --> 01:14:51,289 That's it. 1501 01:14:51,390 --> 01:14:52,529 So they had the same. 1502 01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:52,890 You should have dates. 1503 01:14:53,489 --> 01:14:54,229 Some places. 1504 01:14:54,369 --> 01:14:54,770 Some of it. 1505 01:14:55,369 --> 01:14:57,850 Some aspects of the select board just said, yeah, go ahead. 1506 01:14:57,890 --> 01:14:58,310 Go ahead. 1507 01:14:58,409 --> 01:15:00,430 Go to Commissioner of Power Road, and then it's a precedent. 1508 01:15:00,710 --> 01:15:00,970 Okay. 1509 01:15:01,130 --> 01:15:01,750 Well, okay. 1510 01:15:01,949 --> 01:15:02,350 Right. 1511 01:15:02,789 --> 01:15:03,189 Right. 1512 01:15:03,829 --> 01:15:06,590 So this is still some of the stuff we dabble in now. 1513 01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:09,210 Mm-hmm. 1514 01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:09,369 Go ahead. 1515 01:15:10,939 --> 01:15:11,479 Go ahead. 1516 01:15:11,579 --> 01:15:11,960 Go ahead. 1517 01:15:12,739 --> 01:15:12,819 Go ahead. 1518 01:15:12,819 --> 01:15:13,199 Go ahead. 1519 01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:14,399 At that meeting. 1520 01:15:15,619 --> 01:15:16,220 How many? 1521 01:15:16,699 --> 01:15:17,100 Fifteen. 1522 01:15:17,319 --> 01:15:18,340 I actually recognize it. 1523 01:15:18,380 --> 01:15:20,060 If you don't work with all of them there, 1524 01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:22,039 I'll be probably recognizing it more than me. 1525 01:15:22,140 --> 01:15:23,680 It's in the sand right there. 1526 01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:24,239 Maybe. 1527 01:15:28,039 --> 01:15:29,279 You can't see, right? 1528 01:15:29,539 --> 01:15:30,659 Put your glasses on. 1529 01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:34,159 They're all old-timers. 1530 01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:35,060 They're in the 80s. 1531 01:15:35,119 --> 01:15:36,260 They're old in the 80s. 1532 01:15:37,529 --> 01:15:38,050 All right. 1533 01:15:38,090 --> 01:15:39,270 Well, everybody look that over. 1534 01:15:39,390 --> 01:15:41,750 Maybe bring it back, and we can rotate them or something. 1535 01:15:42,050 --> 01:15:42,229 Yeah. 1536 01:15:42,250 --> 01:15:43,729 I mean, you switch them over and work with everything. 1537 01:15:43,949 --> 01:15:44,189 Yeah. 1538 01:15:44,189 --> 01:15:46,750 I want to say, Natalie, this one is just mismatched. 1539 01:15:47,029 --> 01:15:47,430 Oh. 1540 01:15:47,710 --> 01:15:48,729 There's a whole bunch of different stuff. 1541 01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:49,829 All right. 1542 01:15:49,850 --> 01:15:51,289 I think she probably has some hands full. 1543 01:15:51,569 --> 01:15:51,970 Yeah. 1544 01:15:52,010 --> 01:15:52,329 All right. 1545 01:15:52,350 --> 01:15:56,529 Let's move on to the reading of poodles minutes, please. 1546 01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:01,960 Make a motion to accept. 1547 01:16:02,319 --> 01:16:02,600 Second. 1548 01:16:03,449 --> 01:16:04,310 Oh, I wasn't here. 1549 01:16:04,369 --> 01:16:04,569 Sorry. 1550 01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:06,029 So, second. 1551 01:16:06,670 --> 01:16:07,590 Oh, I can do that. 1552 01:16:07,609 --> 01:16:08,289 I'm not writing them. 1553 01:16:09,609 --> 01:16:10,489 Dad, the second. 1554 01:16:10,750 --> 01:16:11,050 Yeah. 1555 01:16:11,130 --> 01:16:11,430 Aldi. 1556 01:16:12,210 --> 01:16:12,609 Aldi. 1557 01:16:12,609 --> 01:16:12,989 Aldi. 1558 01:16:13,170 --> 01:16:14,470 I was sitting on the toilet. 1559 01:16:15,010 --> 01:16:15,409 Okay. 1560 01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:18,640 Old business. 1561 01:16:19,220 --> 01:16:19,619 Okay. 1562 01:16:20,300 --> 01:16:20,699 Okay. 1563 01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:21,979 So, we have our attendance policy. 1564 01:16:22,180 --> 01:16:24,739 I'm just going to pass it around to be signed. 1565 01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:37,529 Okay. 1566 01:16:37,630 --> 01:16:39,630 So, I wanted to revisit the wetlands. 1567 01:16:39,810 --> 01:16:46,310 We had wondered if the governor, et cetera, had the governor's executive order. 1568 01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:49,970 It made it 25 instead of 50 for the buffer, but it's still 50. 1569 01:16:50,130 --> 01:16:59,319 It's still 50, and I just spoke with Rebecca Chalmers, and my specific question was if 1570 01:16:59,319 --> 01:17:01,640 it does get reduced. 1571 01:17:01,659 --> 01:17:05,819 If it gets reduced to 25, can we as a town override that? 1572 01:17:06,579 --> 01:17:10,060 And that's a really good question. 1573 01:17:10,939 --> 01:17:11,500 Okay. 1574 01:17:11,699 --> 01:17:18,220 It is a state law, which my argument was that we can be more restrictive, but when it comes 1575 01:17:18,220 --> 01:17:23,949 to certain things, we may not be able to. 1576 01:17:24,090 --> 01:17:28,229 So, that's a question for the BLCT, for our town attorney. 1577 01:17:28,489 --> 01:17:31,210 So, I guess we should kind of table that until. 1578 01:17:31,369 --> 01:17:31,930 Okay. 1579 01:17:31,930 --> 01:17:33,510 A decision is made. 1580 01:17:33,890 --> 01:17:34,369 Right. 1581 01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:35,729 She doesn't have the answer. 1582 01:17:35,970 --> 01:17:38,770 Did I read correctly somewhere that it only applies to like 3% of the state? 1583 01:17:39,859 --> 01:17:41,520 I think the vote on that was honest. 1584 01:17:41,619 --> 01:17:42,899 You're talking about the wetlands buffer? 1585 01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:43,779 Yeah. 1586 01:17:43,779 --> 01:17:45,279 So, it just takes 25 feet, right? 1587 01:17:45,300 --> 01:17:50,720 I think it only applies to a small portion of the state, and it's based off like it 1588 01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:51,840 expires at 1.30. 1589 01:17:52,260 --> 01:17:55,060 Yes, 1.30. 1590 01:17:55,060 --> 01:18:01,979 I am vehemently opposed to reducing the buffer from 50 feet. 1591 01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:02,220 Yes. 1592 01:18:02,279 --> 01:18:04,439 25 feet, because now all of a sudden. 1593 01:18:04,460 --> 01:18:05,800 So, Stanford doesn't have it. 1594 01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:07,279 What? 1595 01:18:07,539 --> 01:18:08,579 It's not the Duke-Stanford. 1596 01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:10,779 I think so. 1597 01:18:11,359 --> 01:18:11,979 What do you mean? 1598 01:18:12,039 --> 01:18:13,279 Yeah, why do you think it doesn't have it? 1599 01:18:13,420 --> 01:18:18,140 Because the governor tried to put it in place to encourage development, highly developmental 1600 01:18:18,140 --> 01:18:24,909 areas that have sewered water, and it's only going to apply to like 3% of the state. 1601 01:18:25,250 --> 01:18:26,670 That's the way I would say it. 1602 01:18:26,750 --> 01:18:28,069 I didn't read it that way, but good. 1603 01:18:28,069 --> 01:18:28,770 I hope you're right. 1604 01:18:28,909 --> 01:18:29,090 Yeah. 1605 01:18:29,250 --> 01:18:33,090 I mean, I'd reread it for sure, but that's the way I understood it. 1606 01:18:33,630 --> 01:18:33,890 Okay. 1607 01:18:33,970 --> 01:18:34,550 I'm going to. 1608 01:18:35,449 --> 01:18:35,890 Yeah. 1609 01:18:38,210 --> 01:18:38,649 Okay. 1610 01:18:39,029 --> 01:18:42,609 That's good, because that was nerve-wracking when I read that. 1611 01:18:42,810 --> 01:18:44,109 That's the way I understood it. 1612 01:18:44,170 --> 01:18:44,970 That's why you saw it. 1613 01:18:45,050 --> 01:18:45,770 It's not the Duke-Stanford. 1614 01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:46,909 Yeah. 1615 01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:57,329 But because, as you know, it was 50 feet, which is what, half or a third of what Massachusetts 1616 01:18:57,329 --> 01:18:58,210 is, right? 1617 01:18:58,409 --> 01:19:01,909 Is it the buffer in Massachusetts, 100 or 150 feet? 1618 01:19:02,210 --> 01:19:02,529 I'm not sure. 1619 01:19:02,710 --> 01:19:03,869 So, ours is 50. 1620 01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:04,670 Yeah. 1621 01:19:04,670 --> 01:19:04,890 Yeah. 1622 01:19:04,890 --> 01:19:05,149 Yeah. 1623 01:19:05,149 --> 01:19:05,250 Yeah. 1624 01:19:05,289 --> 01:19:11,949 Drop that down to 25, basically just so they can build housing in places that... 1625 01:19:11,949 --> 01:19:15,649 Unless you're a big corporation like Walmart, you get to move the reference. 1626 01:19:15,930 --> 01:19:18,829 I mean, double-check me, but I think that's the manner of the people. 1627 01:19:19,069 --> 01:19:19,510 Wow. 1628 01:19:19,869 --> 01:19:22,970 I am opposed to... 1629 01:19:22,970 --> 01:19:23,170 Yeah. 1630 01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:28,119 Well, it just sets the door open, then do it for the rest of the state. 1631 01:19:28,140 --> 01:19:28,399 Right. 1632 01:19:28,399 --> 01:19:32,380 And it's just this all-out... 1633 01:19:32,380 --> 01:19:34,619 I mean, I understand that they want to build housing. 1634 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:34,939 Yeah. 1635 01:19:35,319 --> 01:19:38,000 I completely understand why they want to build housing, but... 1636 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,159 You can't just make them a plan. 1637 01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:39,739 I mean, what does that... 1638 01:19:39,739 --> 01:19:40,439 What does that... 1639 01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:41,119 Yeah, I just... 1640 01:19:41,119 --> 01:19:44,739 There's ways to build housing, but everyone's just got to get out of their mind, and it's 1641 01:19:44,739 --> 01:19:49,720 probably impossible that everyone is going to live in two acres in a one-story house 1642 01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:50,220 or whatever. 1643 01:19:50,359 --> 01:19:52,479 That's not the housing that's going to happen. 1644 01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:53,399 Mm-hmm. 1645 01:19:53,399 --> 01:19:56,500 It's not like they're doing in Boston, right, where they use a long-line to count up some 1646 01:19:56,500 --> 01:19:56,819 player. 1647 01:19:57,789 --> 01:19:58,550 It's not... 1648 01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:59,050 Well, not in Stanford. 1649 01:19:59,050 --> 01:20:01,750 Everyone gets their own house, and that's the individual law. 1650 01:20:01,869 --> 01:20:03,229 It's just not in the broker yet. 1651 01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:03,789 Oh. 1652 01:20:04,250 --> 01:20:04,630 Yeah. 1653 01:20:04,649 --> 01:20:05,229 But we... 1654 01:20:05,229 --> 01:20:05,430 Yeah. 1655 01:20:05,449 --> 01:20:11,329 Speaking of that, though, I did ask him about the housing targets, and they're targets. 1656 01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:13,689 They're not mandates for us right now. 1657 01:20:13,909 --> 01:20:14,250 Yet. 1658 01:20:14,930 --> 01:20:20,649 So Stanford, it's 14 to 23 units by 2030, which is not that far away from now. 1659 01:20:21,149 --> 01:20:25,409 And then it's 66 to 130 by 2050, which I just think that's crazy. 1660 01:20:25,630 --> 01:20:26,789 It doesn't even... 1661 01:20:26,789 --> 01:20:27,189 It's insane. 1662 01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:34,250 It does not matter, because the only way it matters, because they're not going to put 1663 01:20:34,250 --> 01:20:35,390 a gun to anybody. 1664 01:20:35,390 --> 01:20:37,130 They're not going to put a gun to anyone's head to force them to build. 1665 01:20:37,310 --> 01:20:44,029 The only way it matters is if the state or the feds or the state and the feds together 1666 01:20:45,470 --> 01:20:56,310 make massive money available to get developers to actually want to come in. 1667 01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:56,329 Yeah. 1668 01:20:56,329 --> 01:20:57,170 Well, where does all that money come from? 1669 01:20:58,670 --> 01:20:59,689 To angst. 1670 01:20:59,729 --> 01:21:03,590 Well, from Stanford's point of view, I mean, if the state's willing to come down and supply 1671 01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:05,529 us with sewer water, pay $1,000. 1672 01:21:05,529 --> 01:21:09,489 100% of it, I'm sure there's all kinds of other developers that would just love to 1673 01:21:09,489 --> 01:21:10,210 build up to here. 1674 01:21:10,329 --> 01:21:10,390 Yeah. 1675 01:21:10,569 --> 01:21:10,989 100%. 1676 01:21:10,989 --> 01:21:13,149 They would explode, but we don't have that. 1677 01:21:13,250 --> 01:21:14,210 We don't have that ability. 1678 01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:14,550 Yes. 1679 01:21:16,060 --> 01:21:16,939 So we're protected. 1680 01:21:17,039 --> 01:21:17,619 So I'm not... 1681 01:21:17,619 --> 01:21:20,579 I mean, I'm not concerned about these targets. 1682 01:21:20,699 --> 01:21:22,100 I mean, or... 1683 01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:29,340 But even if you have public water, you're still drawing from everybody else's water. 1684 01:21:29,539 --> 01:21:29,859 Sure. 1685 01:21:29,859 --> 01:21:34,539 It's not like this infinite supply just because you've got sewer and water. 1686 01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,119 No, we just think developers... 1687 01:21:36,119 --> 01:21:36,739 I think... 1688 01:21:36,939 --> 01:21:37,380 We've got a lot of complexes. 1689 01:21:37,659 --> 01:21:39,619 I think you can get through that in one build, right? 1690 01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:40,739 14 houses. 1691 01:21:40,859 --> 01:21:41,300 There you go. 1692 01:21:41,659 --> 01:21:42,399 But they were... 1693 01:21:42,399 --> 01:21:44,279 It just gives them the selling point. 1694 01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,640 Well, I understand that, but it's... 1695 01:21:48,810 --> 01:21:49,170 Right. 1696 01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:50,130 It's not infinite. 1697 01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:50,369 Yeah. 1698 01:21:50,369 --> 01:21:50,930 But it's... 1699 01:21:50,930 --> 01:21:55,170 I think we just need to keep our eye, too, on the regional plan that was being talked 1700 01:21:55,170 --> 01:21:57,250 about because those... 1701 01:21:57,250 --> 01:22:02,409 I believe those housing goals are in their regional plan, and there's still time for 1702 01:22:02,409 --> 01:22:07,010 us to give input on that before it's finalized, which is why I asked you. 1703 01:22:07,010 --> 01:22:07,109 Yeah. 1704 01:22:07,109 --> 01:22:07,170 Yeah. 1705 01:22:07,170 --> 01:22:07,329 Yeah. 1706 01:22:07,329 --> 01:22:07,369 Yeah. 1707 01:22:07,369 --> 01:22:07,430 Yeah. 1708 01:22:07,449 --> 01:22:08,130 I agree with that. 1709 01:22:08,270 --> 01:22:08,649 And that's... 1710 01:22:08,649 --> 01:22:12,470 The other thing is we don't have the state... 1711 01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:16,250 Our building lots are two acres right now. 1712 01:22:16,609 --> 01:22:21,949 If we keep them at two acres and we don't change anything, they can't... 1713 01:22:21,949 --> 01:22:22,510 Okay. 1714 01:22:22,510 --> 01:22:24,029 So that is where... 1715 01:22:25,039 --> 01:22:34,439 It is not out of the question that the state could mandate that we can't have... 1716 01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:37,619 That we cannot restrict zoning to two acres. 1717 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,020 It's just like... 1718 01:22:39,020 --> 01:22:42,520 It's just like us saying, well, we're not going to have any four families because we 1719 01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,060 don't want any four families in town. 1720 01:22:44,779 --> 01:22:45,539 You can't do that. 1721 01:22:45,979 --> 01:22:46,500 Right? 1722 01:22:46,619 --> 01:22:46,960 Yeah. 1723 01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:47,420 Correct. 1724 01:22:47,619 --> 01:22:48,439 You cannot do that. 1725 01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:58,960 So that is where the states desire to get more housing, where it does become potentially 1726 01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:05,979 something where they could say, yeah, no, you can't say that you're not going to do 1727 01:23:05,979 --> 01:23:06,920 anything under two acres. 1728 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,000 Well, as the law is written right now... 1729 01:23:09,020 --> 01:23:11,939 Right now, Pam, is that the state can... 1730 01:23:11,939 --> 01:23:21,460 The state laws, they can put any laws in effect whatsoever, but we can always be stronger. 1731 01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,199 Ours can be stronger. 1732 01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:25,020 Stricter. 1733 01:23:25,279 --> 01:23:33,100 In certain instances, like we couldn't say, we couldn't come in and say, no APUs. 1734 01:23:33,319 --> 01:23:34,300 We are... 1735 01:23:34,300 --> 01:23:35,380 Oh, no, that's a state law. 1736 01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:36,840 That's a different thing. 1737 01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:37,600 But they will... 1738 01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:38,600 That's exactly what we're saying. 1739 01:23:38,659 --> 01:23:39,300 They can... 1740 01:23:39,399 --> 01:23:45,500 They can come along and change it if they decide to. 1741 01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:45,859 Right. 1742 01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:47,340 Will they do that? 1743 01:23:47,989 --> 01:23:49,689 That was my question on the... 1744 01:23:49,689 --> 01:23:50,289 Unlikely. 1745 01:23:50,630 --> 01:23:51,189 Right. 1746 01:23:51,250 --> 01:23:57,640 The talk is that they would allow two units per lot. 1747 01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:58,060 ADUs. 1748 01:23:58,060 --> 01:23:58,699 That was what... 1749 01:23:58,699 --> 01:23:58,880 Yeah. 1750 01:23:59,100 --> 01:24:00,680 That was what I was told. 1751 01:24:00,819 --> 01:24:01,340 But not... 1752 01:24:01,340 --> 01:24:02,340 But they can't be... 1753 01:24:03,220 --> 01:24:07,100 Like an ADU has to be within the same building lot, right? 1754 01:24:07,539 --> 01:24:08,100 Yeah. 1755 01:24:08,619 --> 01:24:09,659 They're saying... 1756 01:24:10,039 --> 01:24:17,420 If you have the property, like if you have enough property to put two or three ADUs, 1757 01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,479 you know, use the... 1758 01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:25,640 But then you have to have enough septic for those additional units. 1759 01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,140 So if you start popping up... 1760 01:24:27,140 --> 01:24:32,060 Popping in more ADUs, you then have to have more septic. 1761 01:24:32,119 --> 01:24:35,840 We're also back to the discussion that I think is more important. 1762 01:24:36,319 --> 01:24:40,880 If you're going to do that, you have to make the... 1763 01:24:42,020 --> 01:24:44,060 If you're going to do that, you have to have more vessels so that they can be carved out 1764 01:24:44,060 --> 01:24:45,640 into separate units. 1765 01:24:46,060 --> 01:24:47,880 So there has to be... 1766 01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:48,220 Right. 1767 01:24:48,359 --> 01:24:48,899 Well, we got... 1768 01:24:48,899 --> 01:24:57,390 Each one has to be a two-acre with enough setback so it may be sold off. 1769 01:24:57,569 --> 01:24:58,770 Just be careful. 1770 01:24:58,869 --> 01:24:59,630 The state doesn't help. 1771 01:24:59,689 --> 01:25:02,869 I'm sure it will lay you in towards, okay, now you have these sort of water. 1772 01:25:03,170 --> 01:25:03,649 Right. 1773 01:25:03,649 --> 01:25:05,529 They're going to always try to push that envelope. 1774 01:25:06,050 --> 01:25:07,270 Well, that's what they're getting at. 1775 01:25:07,329 --> 01:25:07,590 100%. 1776 01:25:08,170 --> 01:25:11,310 And they're just going to gradually change policies here and there. 1777 01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:12,630 And they just keep... 1778 01:25:12,729 --> 01:25:16,029 Pushing it out of line and like, oh, well, we'll give you 14 units or so. 1779 01:25:16,289 --> 01:25:17,869 We keep everything too... 1780 01:25:17,869 --> 01:25:19,470 At the end of the day... 1781 01:25:19,470 --> 01:25:19,970 Too acreage. 1782 01:25:19,989 --> 01:25:20,329 Right. 1783 01:25:20,630 --> 01:25:28,170 The town, the people in the town want a certain thing. 1784 01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:32,630 And if the people in the town do not want more building, 1785 01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:39,869 then the zoning laws are going to represent what people desire. 1786 01:25:40,289 --> 01:25:40,869 Right. 1787 01:25:40,890 --> 01:25:41,909 It's not... 1788 01:25:42,260 --> 01:25:42,590 Yeah. 1789 01:25:42,670 --> 01:25:43,170 Push back. 1790 01:25:43,310 --> 01:25:43,649 Right. 1791 01:25:43,770 --> 01:25:46,029 Just like all these articles about... 1792 01:25:47,210 --> 01:25:50,770 Those have a lot of conversation here at Beck above standard. 1793 01:25:50,930 --> 01:25:51,350 Yes. 1794 01:25:51,970 --> 01:25:53,189 Independent of Vermont. 1795 01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:54,229 So, I mean... 1796 01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:55,289 You know. 1797 01:25:55,989 --> 01:25:57,069 Well, again... 1798 01:25:57,069 --> 01:25:58,229 They'll enforce it on you. 1799 01:25:58,489 --> 01:26:05,180 I just think that our job is to look at what the town wants... 1800 01:26:05,180 --> 01:26:05,319 Yeah. 1801 01:26:05,319 --> 01:26:10,800 And make policy and rules that reflect that. 1802 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:12,989 And I'm not... 1803 01:26:12,989 --> 01:26:13,609 I'm not... 1804 01:26:13,630 --> 01:26:15,649 I'm not focused on what the state wants. 1805 01:26:15,869 --> 01:26:17,090 It's good to keep an eye on it. 1806 01:26:17,170 --> 01:26:17,510 Yeah, yeah. 1807 01:26:17,890 --> 01:26:18,489 And stuff... 1808 01:26:18,489 --> 01:26:20,649 I think stuff's going to get in with the regional plan. 1809 01:26:20,850 --> 01:26:21,529 Do you know what I mean? 1810 01:26:22,090 --> 01:26:22,489 Yeah. 1811 01:26:22,529 --> 01:26:23,329 I mean, that's a question. 1812 01:26:23,470 --> 01:26:27,789 Actually, if I had been thinking of that, we could have asked them while we were here, 1813 01:26:27,989 --> 01:26:30,250 which we can ask them on Thursday at the meeting. 1814 01:26:32,359 --> 01:26:33,159 But what... 1815 01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,539 You know, what does... 1816 01:26:35,539 --> 01:26:41,260 If they put in their regional plan that Stanford has this target, what does that mean? 1817 01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:42,939 What does that mean? 1818 01:26:43,079 --> 01:26:44,140 And does Stanford... 1819 01:26:44,140 --> 01:26:48,100 And does Stanford have any ability to say, yeah, that's ridiculous. 1820 01:26:48,420 --> 01:26:50,100 I mean, right now, it's just a target. 1821 01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:52,859 It's like a suggestion right now. 1822 01:26:53,039 --> 01:26:57,079 But the thing to keep an eye on is when it stops being a suggestion and it becomes a 1823 01:26:57,079 --> 01:26:57,319 mandate. 1824 01:26:57,399 --> 01:26:58,560 That's what concerns me. 1825 01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,079 I agree. 1826 01:27:01,380 --> 01:27:01,680 Yeah. 1827 01:27:01,739 --> 01:27:02,460 I don't agree. 1828 01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,180 I mean, because the language is already getting there in black and white. 1829 01:27:05,239 --> 01:27:06,239 I mean, let's not forget. 1830 01:27:06,579 --> 01:27:08,460 I mean, I don't know whether... 1831 01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:14,140 Let's not forget that we fought with them to keep a windmill. 1832 01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:19,060 From being within 0.6 miles of existing homes. 1833 01:27:19,319 --> 01:27:21,380 And so what did the commission do? 1834 01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:25,000 They took 0.6 and they changed it to 0.3. 1835 01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,619 Which is something else I think I would like to talk about at some point. 1836 01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:31,060 Because before this regional plan goes through and they make it the 0.5, 1837 01:27:31,100 --> 01:27:35,039 we've already got the Hoosick Range not mentioned now, that language taken out. 1838 01:27:35,119 --> 01:27:36,460 But the 0.5 is still there. 1839 01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:37,939 And that concerns me. 1840 01:27:38,260 --> 01:27:38,699 Yeah. 1841 01:27:38,819 --> 01:27:41,880 I think that's something I've been wanting to bring up now that you mention it. 1842 01:27:45,630 --> 01:27:46,390 25 what? 1843 01:27:46,569 --> 01:27:46,970 Miles. 1844 01:27:48,010 --> 01:27:49,149 Well, I mean... 1845 01:27:49,149 --> 01:27:50,489 We at least want to keep the kilometer. 1846 01:27:51,149 --> 01:27:52,130 Well, that would be bad. 1847 01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:52,909 Right. 1848 01:27:53,029 --> 01:27:55,449 But minimum we should keep our kilometer that we had. 1849 01:27:56,170 --> 01:27:57,569 Then that's not even... 1850 01:27:57,569 --> 01:27:58,189 That's not... 1851 01:27:58,189 --> 01:27:59,750 The kilometer's not good enough. 1852 01:27:59,770 --> 01:28:01,670 0.6 miles is not good enough. 1853 01:28:01,869 --> 01:28:03,010 A mile and a half. 1854 01:28:03,109 --> 01:28:04,029 See, that's the problem. 1855 01:28:04,289 --> 01:28:04,810 That's what it should be. 1856 01:28:04,890 --> 01:28:05,369 A mile and a half. 1857 01:28:05,369 --> 01:28:06,149 It's half a kilometer. 1858 01:28:07,100 --> 01:28:08,920 Which maybe is 0.6 miles. 1859 01:28:09,020 --> 01:28:09,340 I don't know. 1860 01:28:09,359 --> 01:28:09,479 No. 1861 01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,000 A kilometer is 0.6 miles. 1862 01:28:12,319 --> 01:28:12,500 Right. 1863 01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:13,279 So now... 1864 01:28:13,279 --> 01:28:14,520 But there were 10 kilometers. 1865 01:28:14,699 --> 01:28:15,140 Now... 1866 01:28:15,140 --> 01:28:16,859 I think I was within a mile. 1867 01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:18,020 Right. 1868 01:28:19,079 --> 01:28:19,880 We don't. 1869 01:28:20,039 --> 01:28:21,039 You would have been hearing it. 1870 01:28:21,039 --> 01:28:26,380 But the bare minimum, I just say we should probably talk about fighting to keep the kilometer at least. 1871 01:28:26,619 --> 01:28:27,020 Yes. 1872 01:28:27,460 --> 01:28:28,680 I don't want it to go to half a kilometer. 1873 01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:29,359 I was within a mile. 1874 01:28:30,039 --> 01:28:30,439 Absolutely. 1875 01:28:30,779 --> 01:28:33,180 Which I brought up at that meeting. 1876 01:28:33,380 --> 01:28:34,840 And they were just like, oh, I'm off. 1877 01:28:36,300 --> 01:28:36,699 Right. 1878 01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:36,880 I know. 1879 01:28:37,100 --> 01:28:37,500 So... 1880 01:28:38,060 --> 01:28:41,960 I think it's something we really need to drill down on before the... 1881 01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,840 I didn't get an answer from them when it was finalized. 1882 01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:47,579 I know it's by the end of 26, so... 1883 01:28:47,579 --> 01:28:48,260 You mean the distance? 1884 01:28:48,619 --> 01:28:49,960 The regional plan? 1885 01:28:50,079 --> 01:28:50,439 The regional plan? 1886 01:28:50,579 --> 01:28:50,779 Yeah. 1887 01:28:51,220 --> 01:28:55,439 Their regional plan, would it be final draft approved? 1888 01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,680 It's in 26, so... 1889 01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,659 But you're talking about the distance for a minute. 1890 01:28:59,939 --> 01:29:00,979 Yeah, which is in there. 1891 01:29:01,619 --> 01:29:02,199 Because they... 1892 01:29:02,199 --> 01:29:03,880 Which we would have to when I'm buying. 1893 01:29:04,220 --> 01:29:04,680 Right. 1894 01:29:04,779 --> 01:29:07,079 So I think we need to step on it with that. 1895 01:29:07,100 --> 01:29:07,340 Wait. 1896 01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,500 Windmills are just a way to earn money. 1897 01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:10,279 Oh, totally. 1898 01:29:10,279 --> 01:29:11,300 Yeah, they're not efficient. 1899 01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:13,439 They do. 1900 01:29:13,659 --> 01:29:16,800 There's nothing for making energy for... 1901 01:29:17,579 --> 01:29:18,500 To preserve in the environment. 1902 01:29:19,039 --> 01:29:21,739 At least not the way they're doing it. 1903 01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:21,979 All right. 1904 01:29:22,020 --> 01:29:23,239 Well, we're not even going to go there. 1905 01:29:23,340 --> 01:29:31,439 The point is, our mission is to keep them from putting them so close to existing homes. 1906 01:29:31,779 --> 01:29:36,500 So maybe we need to actually draft up a letter, you know, and go through, like we did before, 1907 01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:42,149 to the Select Board, the Conservation Commission, to get the Hoosick language removed. 1908 01:29:42,510 --> 01:29:46,720 Yeah, I mean, they know that we are opposed to that. 1909 01:29:47,380 --> 01:29:48,439 It's been brought up. 1910 01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:49,840 I think we need to put it in writing. 1911 01:29:49,979 --> 01:29:50,960 Yeah, you're probably right. 1912 01:29:52,079 --> 01:29:54,340 When is the plan going to be adopted again? 1913 01:29:54,779 --> 01:29:55,659 I don't know. 1914 01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:56,920 I know by the end of 26. 1915 01:29:57,420 --> 01:29:59,300 So I didn't want to ask too many things. 1916 01:29:59,899 --> 01:30:01,140 Yeah, so this is the first... 1917 01:30:01,140 --> 01:30:03,399 Didn't she say this is the first meeting on Thursday? 1918 01:30:03,659 --> 01:30:07,380 I don't know if it's the first one, but on Thursday we have the opportunity to have input. 1919 01:30:08,020 --> 01:30:10,060 So I'm not sure how it's going to go. 1920 01:30:10,060 --> 01:30:11,420 But are they even going to be discussing it? 1921 01:30:11,420 --> 01:30:12,079 I don't know. 1922 01:30:12,119 --> 01:30:12,800 I have no idea. 1923 01:30:13,319 --> 01:30:15,359 I feel like we should get something in writing anyway. 1924 01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,300 Okay, so I'll have to go to it. 1925 01:30:17,380 --> 01:30:18,119 I won't go to this. 1926 01:30:18,359 --> 01:30:19,100 So how... 1927 01:30:19,119 --> 01:30:19,420 How do we... 1928 01:30:19,420 --> 01:30:20,939 So how do we do that? 1929 01:30:20,939 --> 01:30:21,939 Yeah, I'll be listening to it. 1930 01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,180 How do we get something in writing? 1931 01:30:23,279 --> 01:30:24,159 Can we... 1932 01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:24,979 Let me figure it out. 1933 01:30:26,319 --> 01:30:26,680 Okay. 1934 01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:28,460 I'll go to the meeting on... 1935 01:30:28,460 --> 01:30:30,640 I'll be Zooming on the meeting on Thursday. 1936 01:30:30,779 --> 01:30:31,520 I'll listen to it. 1937 01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:32,800 Okay. 1938 01:30:35,250 --> 01:30:38,199 I don't know how we got in that section, but I'm glad. 1939 01:30:38,539 --> 01:30:38,899 Right? 1940 01:30:39,300 --> 01:30:40,100 Yeah, I know. 1941 01:30:40,180 --> 01:30:40,500 Right? 1942 01:30:42,630 --> 01:30:43,189 All right. 1943 01:30:48,529 --> 01:30:51,270 Okay, that's all I have, unless we want to work on... 1944 01:30:51,270 --> 01:30:51,829 I lost... 1945 01:30:52,250 --> 01:30:52,430 I have other... 1946 01:30:52,430 --> 01:30:55,170 I have little tasks to do. 1947 01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:59,250 We were asking about the bylaw grant. 1948 01:31:00,489 --> 01:31:01,010 Right. 1949 01:31:01,149 --> 01:31:03,729 It is due September 1st, but they haven't... 1950 01:31:03,729 --> 01:31:06,409 They haven't released it yet. 1951 01:31:06,569 --> 01:31:08,710 So Nick is looking at it carefully. 1952 01:31:08,869 --> 01:31:13,810 He knows we are interested in the bylaw grant for his health. 1953 01:31:13,930 --> 01:31:15,430 He will help us with it. 1954 01:31:15,550 --> 01:31:16,149 Oh, good. 1955 01:31:16,250 --> 01:31:16,569 Okay. 1956 01:31:17,470 --> 01:31:18,510 We need help. 1957 01:31:19,149 --> 01:31:21,210 Do we know when we have to apply? 1958 01:31:21,569 --> 01:31:22,529 Well, that's just... 1959 01:31:23,229 --> 01:31:23,630 November... 1960 01:31:23,630 --> 01:31:25,569 It is September 1st. 1961 01:31:25,569 --> 01:31:27,750 But the deadline is like November 10th or something. 1962 01:31:27,829 --> 01:31:28,609 I don't have it exactly. 1963 01:31:28,630 --> 01:31:31,470 I don't think the applications are not available until September 1st. 1964 01:31:31,569 --> 01:31:32,529 Is that what it was? 1965 01:31:32,569 --> 01:31:33,770 Yeah, but then there's a deadline. 1966 01:31:34,090 --> 01:31:34,390 I had it... 1967 01:31:34,390 --> 01:31:35,949 That's what they said last time. 1968 01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:39,010 It was either 1st or 15th, something like that. 1969 01:31:39,550 --> 01:31:41,550 Well, I saw September 1st. 1970 01:31:41,550 --> 01:31:42,449 I thought that's when it was. 1971 01:31:42,449 --> 01:31:43,670 All right, so that's what it was then. 1972 01:31:43,729 --> 01:31:43,890 Okay. 1973 01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:45,050 That's when they're available. 1974 01:31:45,250 --> 01:31:47,510 And November is the deadline for submission. 1975 01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:48,869 Yeah, I just don't have it. 1976 01:31:48,869 --> 01:31:49,029 It's in October. 1977 01:31:49,029 --> 01:31:49,289 I don't know. 1978 01:31:51,159 --> 01:31:53,720 If September 1st is when you can first... 1979 01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,619 If it's October, that's a pretty quick turnaround. 1980 01:31:58,470 --> 01:32:01,369 I think it's November 10th, but don't quote me. 1981 01:32:04,619 --> 01:32:05,939 So we have some time. 1982 01:32:05,979 --> 01:32:08,659 In any case, he will help us write the grant. 1983 01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:09,199 Great. 1984 01:32:10,199 --> 01:32:12,260 Okay, so it's not Callie this time. 1985 01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:13,380 No, it's Nick. 1986 01:32:15,039 --> 01:32:16,159 He's the Bible guy. 1987 01:32:16,380 --> 01:32:16,720 Good. 1988 01:32:17,939 --> 01:32:20,819 Will he be reaching out to you when that's available? 1989 01:32:21,119 --> 01:32:21,380 Yeah. 1990 01:32:21,380 --> 01:32:21,699 Okay. 1991 01:32:22,220 --> 01:32:22,699 Great. 1992 01:32:24,449 --> 01:32:25,229 Thank you, Deb. 1993 01:32:29,060 --> 01:32:29,939 Anything else? 1994 01:32:31,310 --> 01:32:32,770 And so that's what we're going to... 1995 01:32:32,770 --> 01:32:35,609 Are we going to hold off and wait to see if we get the grant for that 1996 01:32:35,609 --> 01:32:37,810 before we tackle the bylaws again? 1997 01:32:38,890 --> 01:32:39,989 That's what I would suggest. 1998 01:32:40,090 --> 01:32:43,449 So I think we need to get on this. 1999 01:32:43,510 --> 01:32:44,250 I agree. 2000 01:32:44,930 --> 01:32:47,170 Let's start talking about... 2001 01:32:47,170 --> 01:32:49,489 I mean, even if we just riff a little bit about, like... 2002 01:32:49,489 --> 01:32:52,189 I mean, maybe it's just obvious if we go through and say 2003 01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,760 what the order should be, the clustering of this. 2004 01:32:58,840 --> 01:32:59,800 Cluster, is that it? 2005 01:33:00,750 --> 01:33:01,630 Unless Deb... 2006 01:33:02,170 --> 01:33:03,569 Unless Deb, you got something that... 2007 01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:05,659 No, no. 2008 01:33:05,779 --> 01:33:06,899 It's an emergency that we need to... 2009 01:33:06,899 --> 01:33:07,319 The only... 2010 01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,710 I really haven't... 2011 01:33:10,710 --> 01:33:11,810 No. 2012 01:33:12,810 --> 01:33:18,810 With the bylaws, I ain't saying no every time, so... 2013 01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:20,189 I'll refrain. 2014 01:33:22,500 --> 01:33:24,069 I do, though... 2015 01:33:24,069 --> 01:33:28,489 I spend an awful, awful, awful lot of time 2016 01:33:28,489 --> 01:33:37,239 chasing notice of buildings that do not... 2017 01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:38,760 Notice of buildings... 2018 01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:38,779 Notice of buildings... 2019 01:33:41,159 --> 01:33:50,239 So I think you kind of got away from the original intent 2020 01:33:51,279 --> 01:33:54,640 of a building permit, and this is a statewide issue, too. 2021 01:33:54,819 --> 01:33:58,939 But if you're going to put a full-on front porch on your house 2022 01:33:58,939 --> 01:34:03,029 and it's less than 300 square feet, 2023 01:34:03,289 --> 01:34:05,229 it should be a bit... 2024 01:34:05,890 --> 01:34:06,449 Absolutely. 2025 01:34:06,810 --> 01:34:08,430 And it's not right now. 2026 01:34:08,510 --> 01:34:08,949 It's not? 2027 01:34:09,149 --> 01:34:09,670 Why? 2028 01:34:09,729 --> 01:34:10,729 Why is it not? 2029 01:34:10,850 --> 01:34:11,510 It's an addition. 2030 01:34:11,710 --> 01:34:13,189 It's a notice of building. 2031 01:34:13,369 --> 01:34:16,270 It gets filed, but they don't have to pay. 2032 01:34:16,289 --> 01:34:17,250 Yes, it's an addition. 2033 01:34:17,489 --> 01:34:20,850 It gets filed with the town, but it's a 15-year-old. 2034 01:34:20,909 --> 01:34:21,470 Who says that? 2035 01:34:21,850 --> 01:34:25,130 That's how it's been since the last bylaws, 2036 01:34:25,189 --> 01:34:26,649 when all this was changed. 2037 01:34:27,329 --> 01:34:28,649 Nowhere in our bylaws... 2038 01:34:28,649 --> 01:34:30,810 That's an addition to an existing floor plan. 2039 01:34:30,810 --> 01:34:31,949 It is an existing... 2040 01:34:31,949 --> 01:34:35,350 It is an addition, but it's just a notice of building. 2041 01:34:36,380 --> 01:34:37,840 But who determined that? 2042 01:34:37,939 --> 01:34:38,100 You? 2043 01:34:39,130 --> 01:34:39,609 Yep. 2044 01:34:39,710 --> 01:34:40,489 You're the only one who can. 2045 01:34:40,949 --> 01:34:41,810 Yeah, so... 2046 01:34:41,810 --> 01:34:43,210 That's not... 2047 01:34:43,529 --> 01:34:47,670 Well, if somebody just puts a little thing over their house 2048 01:34:47,670 --> 01:34:52,130 just to keep the rain when they step out of their house... 2049 01:34:52,130 --> 01:34:52,750 Like a portico? 2050 01:34:52,750 --> 01:34:57,010 According to our bylaws, that is an extension of the... 2051 01:34:57,010 --> 01:35:01,510 It's an extension, but do you charge them $300? 2052 01:35:01,750 --> 01:35:02,170 A building permit. 2053 01:35:02,609 --> 01:35:03,310 A building permit. 2054 01:35:03,430 --> 01:35:03,930 That's... 2055 01:35:03,930 --> 01:35:04,250 Absolutely. 2056 01:35:04,569 --> 01:35:05,210 That's what... 2057 01:35:05,210 --> 01:35:08,949 I believe that's what got Aaron involved in this whole thing, 2058 01:35:09,069 --> 01:35:11,789 because he went to put on some dinky... 2059 01:35:11,810 --> 01:35:13,130 A dinky little thing above the door, 2060 01:35:13,229 --> 01:35:16,170 and it turned into this whole huge ordeal. 2061 01:35:16,430 --> 01:35:17,750 Oh, I thought it was the ice cream. 2062 01:35:17,989 --> 01:35:18,289 No. 2063 01:35:18,390 --> 01:35:20,390 I thought it was before the ice cream. 2064 01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:20,670 Okay. 2065 01:35:20,850 --> 01:35:21,510 All right. 2066 01:35:21,569 --> 01:35:22,029 Well... 2067 01:35:22,029 --> 01:35:25,109 There was some conversation about different prices for different things. 2068 01:35:25,899 --> 01:35:29,060 I mean, so you don't want to rail people, 2069 01:35:29,739 --> 01:35:31,500 and you don't, you know, you don't... 2070 01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:32,140 But at the same time... 2071 01:35:32,140 --> 01:35:34,300 But your bylaws are your bylaws, period. 2072 01:35:34,579 --> 01:35:38,659 I mean, at the same time, if you're going out, 2073 01:35:38,779 --> 01:35:42,000 and if the town is paying you, or they should be, 2074 01:35:42,260 --> 01:35:47,840 then there should be some fee, some fee, 2075 01:35:47,979 --> 01:35:53,850 to allow you to do your job, to... 2076 01:35:53,850 --> 01:35:56,210 I mean, just to have somebody file stuff. 2077 01:35:56,630 --> 01:35:59,560 I mean, it all costs money. 2078 01:35:59,960 --> 01:36:01,180 Didn't you say it was $15? 2079 01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:02,680 It's a $15. 2080 01:36:03,119 --> 01:36:05,539 I guess that covers the... 2081 01:36:05,539 --> 01:36:08,819 Somebody walking over and putting it in that thing, I guess. 2082 01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:11,199 No. 2083 01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:13,380 It doesn't cover someone's time. 2084 01:36:13,380 --> 01:36:14,720 That doesn't cover... 2085 01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:16,500 You've changed the footprint of the house. 2086 01:36:16,539 --> 01:36:17,380 That is an addition. 2087 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,560 If they changed the footprint, 2088 01:36:19,779 --> 01:36:23,520 then what if they put a dormer on the house? 2089 01:36:23,819 --> 01:36:24,199 It's a footprint. 2090 01:36:24,460 --> 01:36:25,420 You changed the footprint. 2091 01:36:25,699 --> 01:36:26,600 You raised it. 2092 01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,119 No, it's not the footprint. 2093 01:36:28,300 --> 01:36:29,220 No, it's not a footprint. 2094 01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:29,920 The footprint is... 2095 01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:30,680 It's the footprint. 2096 01:36:31,159 --> 01:36:31,640 So... 2097 01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:32,640 Yeah. 2098 01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:33,520 I mean, I... 2099 01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,600 Yeah, I mean, like when the Landry's did theirs yesterday. 2100 01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:40,039 A dormer is a change, period. 2101 01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:41,449 It's a permit. 2102 01:36:41,630 --> 01:36:42,470 I mean... 2103 01:36:43,949 --> 01:36:45,050 No, it's just... 2104 01:36:45,050 --> 01:36:45,289 It's... 2105 01:36:45,289 --> 01:36:45,350 It's... 2106 01:36:45,369 --> 01:36:46,369 It's an architectural change. 2107 01:36:46,369 --> 01:36:46,949 Exactly. 2108 01:36:47,689 --> 01:36:48,310 Read. 2109 01:36:48,770 --> 01:36:49,710 Okay, but... 2110 01:36:49,710 --> 01:36:52,210 So what about interior structural changes? 2111 01:36:52,649 --> 01:36:53,289 Can't do nothing. 2112 01:36:53,470 --> 01:36:53,930 But... 2113 01:36:53,930 --> 01:36:54,710 Nothing with that. 2114 01:36:54,729 --> 01:36:55,470 But that is a good example. 2115 01:36:55,470 --> 01:36:55,890 Just exterior. 2116 01:36:56,369 --> 01:37:00,529 So the little teeny thing that goes above the door 2117 01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:05,420 compared to a big dormer. 2118 01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:05,899 Right. 2119 01:37:05,939 --> 01:37:08,180 Are you saying the little teeny thing that goes... 2120 01:37:08,180 --> 01:37:08,500 Same thing. 2121 01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:09,000 Yeah. 2122 01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:10,960 So you want somebody to pay $300... 2123 01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:11,300 Yeah. 2124 01:37:11,300 --> 01:37:12,359 ...to build something, 2125 01:37:12,359 --> 01:37:14,159 this little thing above their door? 2126 01:37:14,319 --> 01:37:14,699 Right. 2127 01:37:15,020 --> 01:37:16,119 Oh, that's... 2128 01:37:16,119 --> 01:37:19,640 So I can see where that's heavy-handed. 2129 01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:22,079 I don't do it. 2130 01:37:22,199 --> 01:37:23,000 I don't do that. 2131 01:37:23,140 --> 01:37:26,479 You don't have the right to change the law 2132 01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:28,579 or to change the pricing. 2133 01:37:29,020 --> 01:37:30,479 Only the select board does. 2134 01:37:31,529 --> 01:37:34,050 And you're changing the bylaws as you go, 2135 01:37:34,130 --> 01:37:35,710 which you don't have the right to do either. 2136 01:37:36,130 --> 01:37:36,670 I... 2137 01:37:36,670 --> 01:37:40,149 But it's my interpretation of the bylaws. 2138 01:37:40,390 --> 01:37:41,590 A little thing over... 2139 01:37:41,590 --> 01:37:42,670 So you have to... 2140 01:37:42,670 --> 01:37:45,869 You have to enforce the bylaws 2141 01:37:45,869 --> 01:37:46,350 and enforce the bylaws. 2142 01:37:46,369 --> 01:37:46,590 Literally. 2143 01:37:46,729 --> 01:37:48,710 In fact, I think that's the first sentence 2144 01:37:48,710 --> 01:37:51,430 of your bylaws for your... 2145 01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:53,130 It's subject to my interpretation. 2146 01:37:53,460 --> 01:37:55,439 It is not subject to an interpretation. 2147 01:37:56,039 --> 01:37:57,439 It's the law. 2148 01:37:59,060 --> 01:38:00,319 I arrest my case. 2149 01:38:00,619 --> 01:38:00,819 I... 2150 01:38:00,819 --> 01:38:01,659 I... 2151 01:38:02,220 --> 01:38:04,159 I mean, that's the police officer 2152 01:38:04,159 --> 01:38:05,140 if you find out. 2153 01:38:05,260 --> 01:38:05,800 And I mean... 2154 01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:06,739 I mean, I hear you. 2155 01:38:06,739 --> 01:38:08,840 No, the law is the law, period, right? 2156 01:38:08,939 --> 01:38:11,319 And so you cannot... 2157 01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,760 The first lesson of being... 2158 01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:18,439 doing her job... 2159 01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:20,039 or what I was doing there, 2160 01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:21,800 the first paragraph, 2161 01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:23,079 the first sentence, 2162 01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:25,140 that you will enforce the laws, 2163 01:38:25,260 --> 01:38:25,760 literally. 2164 01:38:27,020 --> 01:38:29,239 You do not have the right 2165 01:38:30,180 --> 01:38:31,359 in this job. 2166 01:38:31,779 --> 01:38:32,380 You cannot... 2167 01:38:32,380 --> 01:38:33,460 There is no... 2168 01:38:34,220 --> 01:38:34,979 You know, okay, 2169 01:38:35,100 --> 01:38:36,239 we'll make an exception here. 2170 01:38:37,029 --> 01:38:37,550 You can't. 2171 01:38:37,550 --> 01:38:39,289 What if the bylaws are wonky 2172 01:38:39,289 --> 01:38:41,750 and willy-nilly and kind of... 2173 01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:42,949 Bylaws are... 2174 01:38:42,949 --> 01:38:44,010 Yeah, I mean, how do we... 2175 01:38:44,010 --> 01:38:45,329 If they're willy-nilly and stuff, 2176 01:38:45,409 --> 01:38:45,810 they need to... 2177 01:38:45,810 --> 01:38:47,029 She needs to come back here 2178 01:38:47,029 --> 01:38:48,489 where we change it, 2179 01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:49,409 send it off... 2180 01:38:49,489 --> 01:38:51,109 to the select work or change. 2181 01:38:51,489 --> 01:38:52,350 That's what we're doing. 2182 01:38:52,489 --> 01:38:54,010 I think that's what we're trying to do. 2183 01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:54,909 Okay. 2184 01:38:55,029 --> 01:38:55,909 Trying to fix it 2185 01:38:55,909 --> 01:38:57,250 and make it not wonky 2186 01:38:57,250 --> 01:38:57,970 and willy-nilly. 2187 01:38:57,989 --> 01:38:59,390 All right, so next meeting, 2188 01:38:59,550 --> 01:38:59,949 we're going to... 2189 01:38:59,949 --> 01:39:01,510 Everybody maybe look over 2190 01:39:01,510 --> 01:39:02,590 the table of contents 2191 01:39:02,590 --> 01:39:04,550 and see what makes sense to you. 2192 01:39:04,649 --> 01:39:05,010 Yeah. 2193 01:39:07,289 --> 01:39:08,069 Oh, we could. 2194 01:39:08,289 --> 01:39:09,350 We could go through it. 2195 01:39:09,750 --> 01:39:10,189 Sure. 2196 01:39:10,670 --> 01:39:11,710 Yeah, let's take a stab. 2197 01:39:11,829 --> 01:39:12,989 Let's take a quick stab. 2198 01:39:13,050 --> 01:39:13,770 Let's take a... 2199 01:39:13,770 --> 01:39:14,909 Sorry, I wasn't trying to rush anybody. 2200 01:39:15,550 --> 01:39:22,350 I'm getting ice cream. 2201 01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:24,779 Oh, ice cream. 2202 01:39:24,819 --> 01:39:26,079 Is that the motive for now? 2203 01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:27,119 Oh, so is that... 2204 01:39:27,119 --> 01:39:29,100 No, I'm not getting ice cream. 2205 01:39:29,140 --> 01:39:29,539 What is that? 2206 01:39:29,619 --> 01:39:32,399 Oh, it's the table of contents 2207 01:39:32,399 --> 01:39:33,260 from the town plan. 2208 01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:33,680 Oh. 2209 01:39:33,859 --> 01:39:35,079 Do you want a copy of it? 2210 01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:36,220 I have my town plan. 2211 01:39:36,220 --> 01:39:36,699 Do you want it 2212 01:39:36,699 --> 01:39:37,359 so you can give input? 2213 01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:38,939 We're just happy you're here. 2214 01:39:40,020 --> 01:39:41,000 We're happy to be here. 2215 01:39:41,420 --> 01:39:41,779 Yeah. 2216 01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:42,279 Good. 2217 01:39:42,460 --> 01:39:43,220 I envision that 2218 01:39:43,220 --> 01:39:44,739 the same old picture 2219 01:39:44,739 --> 01:39:45,340 would be the same, 2220 01:39:45,380 --> 01:39:46,079 but you guys 2221 01:39:46,079 --> 01:39:47,260 shop away at it. 2222 01:39:48,750 --> 01:39:49,550 Well, I mean, 2223 01:39:49,569 --> 01:39:50,729 just right off the bat, 2224 01:39:50,770 --> 01:39:52,329 the thing that you responded to, 2225 01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:53,229 I agree with, 2226 01:39:53,289 --> 01:39:54,289 which is, okay, 2227 01:39:54,770 --> 01:39:55,130 introduction. 2228 01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:57,079 Sure, fine. 2229 01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:58,060 Vision goals. 2230 01:39:58,060 --> 01:39:58,899 Vision goals, fine. 2231 01:40:00,069 --> 01:40:01,409 Then let's not go 2232 01:40:01,409 --> 01:40:02,590 right to economic development. 2233 01:40:02,930 --> 01:40:04,189 Let's go to land use. 2234 01:40:04,630 --> 01:40:05,710 Do we want to do land 2235 01:40:05,710 --> 01:40:07,390 or people stuff first? 2236 01:40:07,409 --> 01:40:08,170 That makes sense. 2237 01:40:08,229 --> 01:40:08,810 Probably land. 2238 01:40:08,810 --> 01:40:09,569 The order of change 2239 01:40:09,569 --> 01:40:10,489 makes a lot of sense. 2240 01:40:10,609 --> 01:40:10,930 Yeah. 2241 01:40:11,069 --> 01:40:12,409 So land stuff first. 2242 01:40:12,430 --> 01:40:12,989 Do we all want a copy of this? 2243 01:40:13,890 --> 01:40:14,329 Sure. 2244 01:40:14,810 --> 01:40:16,229 I have my town plan here. 2245 01:40:16,289 --> 01:40:17,270 What people stuff? 2246 01:40:17,789 --> 01:40:18,729 What do you mean, nine? 2247 01:40:19,850 --> 01:40:20,909 Which number, nine? 2248 01:40:21,130 --> 01:40:21,569 Where? 2249 01:40:21,689 --> 01:40:22,649 I'm just saying people. 2250 01:40:22,770 --> 01:40:23,750 Things have to do with people, 2251 01:40:24,310 --> 01:40:24,949 but maybe we do 2252 01:40:24,949 --> 01:40:25,909 all the land stuff first. 2253 01:40:26,029 --> 01:40:26,850 I feel like land, 2254 01:40:27,050 --> 01:40:28,050 I feel like, 2255 01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:29,409 the natural resources. 2256 01:40:29,409 --> 01:40:30,770 Let's make chapter four 2257 01:40:30,770 --> 01:40:31,829 be chapter three. 2258 01:40:33,140 --> 01:40:34,539 Let's make chapter five 2259 01:40:34,539 --> 01:40:35,659 be chapter four. 2260 01:40:35,899 --> 01:40:37,140 Do you mind if we just, like, 2261 01:40:37,199 --> 01:40:39,239 not to change what you're doing, 2262 01:40:39,319 --> 01:40:40,220 but if we just, like, 2263 01:40:40,260 --> 01:40:41,880 do a broader thing first? 2264 01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:42,279 Sure. 2265 01:40:42,340 --> 01:40:43,239 Like, provide it to people stuff 2266 01:40:43,239 --> 01:40:44,100 and then land stuff? 2267 01:40:44,340 --> 01:40:44,760 Sure. 2268 01:40:44,779 --> 01:40:45,300 Because then we might want 2269 01:40:45,300 --> 01:40:46,000 to reorder those. 2270 01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:46,380 Maybe. 2271 01:40:46,399 --> 01:40:46,779 Sure. 2272 01:40:46,939 --> 01:40:47,380 Maybe. 2273 01:40:47,979 --> 01:40:48,420 Maybe. 2274 01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:49,399 You know what? 2275 01:40:49,460 --> 01:40:51,340 I can tell that this is your thing. 2276 01:40:51,579 --> 01:40:52,140 Random switch of names. 2277 01:40:52,159 --> 01:40:53,439 I can tell this is your thing. 2278 01:40:53,539 --> 01:40:54,640 I'm sure you don't want 2279 01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:55,399 to take this home 2280 01:40:55,399 --> 01:40:56,039 and bring it back 2281 01:40:56,039 --> 01:40:56,800 to the next meeting 2282 01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,220 and make some suggestions. 2283 01:40:58,600 --> 01:40:58,960 I want everybody, 2284 01:40:58,979 --> 01:41:00,000 I want everyone to, 2285 01:41:00,619 --> 01:41:01,699 why do I seem excited? 2286 01:41:02,079 --> 01:41:02,479 No, yes. 2287 01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:03,380 It's your thing. 2288 01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:06,220 You gravitated right to it 2289 01:41:06,220 --> 01:41:07,659 and you clearly 2290 01:41:07,659 --> 01:41:08,640 have an understanding. 2291 01:41:08,779 --> 01:41:09,979 Because an English major 2292 01:41:09,979 --> 01:41:11,399 knows how to do an outline 2293 01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:13,159 and knows how to do 2294 01:41:13,159 --> 01:41:14,520 a topic sentence, right? 2295 01:41:14,739 --> 01:41:15,859 I know, it's such a nerd. 2296 01:41:16,300 --> 01:41:17,159 No, it's good. 2297 01:41:17,279 --> 01:41:18,159 I think that's good. 2298 01:41:18,239 --> 01:41:19,159 And you can call me 2299 01:41:19,159 --> 01:41:19,479 and be like, 2300 01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:20,199 what do you think of this? 2301 01:41:20,279 --> 01:41:20,880 And I'll be like, no. 2302 01:41:21,260 --> 01:41:22,520 And then we can fight it out. 2303 01:41:22,579 --> 01:41:22,760 Yeah. 2304 01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:23,560 Okay, good. 2305 01:41:23,659 --> 01:41:23,939 All right. 2306 01:41:24,119 --> 01:41:25,199 So, well, 2307 01:41:25,260 --> 01:41:26,699 what do you think about that? 2308 01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:27,380 What do you think about 2309 01:41:27,380 --> 01:41:28,180 the rest of the board? 2310 01:41:28,579 --> 01:41:29,439 I don't mind, but... 2311 01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:32,079 I'm totally going to... 2312 01:41:32,079 --> 01:41:33,039 I'll second that idea. 2313 01:41:33,039 --> 01:41:33,520 I think Deb wants 2314 01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:34,220 to give some advice. 2315 01:41:34,399 --> 01:41:35,100 No, I'm fine. 2316 01:41:35,939 --> 01:41:36,560 I'm done. 2317 01:41:37,449 --> 01:41:38,189 I'll be Jim. 2318 01:41:39,310 --> 01:41:39,750 Yeah. 2319 01:41:40,010 --> 01:41:40,449 Good. 2320 01:41:40,510 --> 01:41:41,909 I am not, for the record, 2321 01:41:42,029 --> 01:41:43,390 I am not going for ice cream. 2322 01:41:44,930 --> 01:41:45,590 It's so... 2323 01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:46,770 My sister's visiting, though. 2324 01:41:46,930 --> 01:41:47,489 It's so... 2325 01:41:47,489 --> 01:41:48,909 Oh, yeah. 2326 01:41:49,229 --> 01:41:49,869 How's the puppy? 2327 01:41:50,789 --> 01:41:52,069 Well, you know. 2328 01:41:52,289 --> 01:41:52,729 Oh. 2329 01:41:53,710 --> 01:41:54,149 Yeah. 2330 01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:56,630 She loves some kind of salve. 2331 01:41:56,630 --> 01:41:58,210 I went to a doctor last night 2332 01:41:58,210 --> 01:41:58,970 and I didn't even call her. 2333 01:41:59,029 --> 01:42:02,310 Because you got a new puppy. 2334 01:42:02,430 --> 01:42:03,069 I really wanted to call you, 2335 01:42:03,069 --> 01:42:04,350 I have a husband still. 2336 01:42:05,409 --> 01:42:07,050 I almost called you. 2337 01:42:07,569 --> 01:42:09,369 I told you I was going to stay home 2338 01:42:09,369 --> 01:42:09,829 and baby you. 2339 01:42:09,890 --> 01:42:11,890 I would have gone. 2340 01:42:12,130 --> 01:42:12,829 Where did you go? 2341 01:42:13,130 --> 01:42:14,369 Down to studio nine. 2342 01:42:14,489 --> 01:42:15,130 All right. 2343 01:42:15,250 --> 01:42:19,710 Motion to adjourn at 8.44. 2344 01:42:20,689 --> 01:42:21,250 Second. 2345 01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:24,100 All in favor? 2346 01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:26,840 And next meeting is... 2347 01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:29,520 1, 2, 3, 7. 2348 01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:30,279 Thank you. 2349 01:42:30,500 --> 01:42:33,640 The shoot should do 27th at 6 p.m. 2350 01:42:34,789 --> 01:42:36,750 Let's make sure we get this right. 2351 01:42:37,529 --> 01:42:37,970 Yes. 2352 01:42:38,590 --> 01:42:40,609 Deb doesn't want to be showing up on the 6th. 2353 01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:43,810 That was my fault. 2354 01:42:43,890 --> 01:42:44,729 No, that was my fault. 2355 01:42:45,210 --> 01:42:46,369 Because we did say... 2356 01:42:46,369 --> 01:42:47,170 I said it. 2357 01:42:47,170 --> 01:42:49,909 I said it because I was counting wrong.