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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and

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to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all.

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A special meeting of the Stanford Direct Board.

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If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda,

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you may do so by addressing your chairperson and stating your name and address.

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The reason for the gathering tonight is so

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we're all on the same page on shared use of the building and what's going on.

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I know there's- Open lines of communication.

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Good one, Kirk.

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I like that.

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Yeah, moving forward.

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Moving forward, open lines of communication, I like that.

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I think it could have been handled differently and

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before the library had to close, I think we're all in a small town.

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We have this one beautiful big building.

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We, I don't think any of us can afford to move out of this building and

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have a separate town office, a separate library.

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The townspeople will never, never, can't afford it.

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So I think we've got to work together, try to share the space the best we can.

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That's my opinion.

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Do we feel like we need some kind of written agreement as far as shared use?

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Well, I was going to bring up the fact that if you want to do one of Bill's-

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Letters, he said that he was going to talk to the school board about a memorandum of agreement.

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Of understanding.

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Of understanding agreement, I think it's different than that.

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But I think that would probably be the best way to go because then we can say that the town can use a library from 12 to 3.

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You can actually lay everything out so

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that there isn't any gray areas anymore.

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And I almost think that's what we have to do.

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Well, will we write that agreement to the point where we each say what we do for one another?

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I think that would be the thing.

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And so where you maintain the grass and you mow and

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you do the outside, the plowing, all that would be outlined as well.

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I don't think we need anything formal legally.

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Do we need to go to the attorney?

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Because once you get into that, to me it's too-

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So one of the things I did,

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I ended up doing a lot of research.

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And one of the things is that any document that we sign, whether it's called a memorandum of understanding,

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whether it's called a memorandum of agreement, whether it's called a schmorgenhofen,

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if it has the elements of contract, it's a legal contract.

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And so, I mean, I'm not thrilled with the idea of hiring lawyers, but

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also as people with fiduciary responsibility to our various organizations,

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I worry about signing anything.

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Anything that is a contract without legal review.

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And so I'm curious as to what we can do to get legal review in a less expensive way.

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But I think we need legal review.

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I guess on my concern, I'll just throw it out there, is that the library is just the beginning, right?

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Is there then going to be a situation where it affects town offices, right?

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Are we going to have to close certain hours and only be able to operate certain hours because the school is in operation, for example?

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I guess is it just an overall move?

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Is it just the first move in a bigger game where it's just total control of the building at whatever times are you tired?

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Let's not call it a move.

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We weren't playing chess.

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Sure. Nobody was trying to do anything nefarious.

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I believe there had been times in the past that the space has been used.

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There's been an understanding of that nature in the past.

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Whatever went wrong this time, I don't think we're here to rehash any of that.

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I think we just need to be more exact with our request maybe and working together with just knowing that there's a public side as well as a school side.

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I think the other thing, too, that would take some of the...

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bite out of the situation is if you had come to the library board and said,

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Hey, we need to use the library.

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Having somebody who is not really part of the school board or telling us that we can do this or that.

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To do this or that, I think that added a level of a little bit of resentment or a game situation because he is the superintendent.

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He's not technically the school board.

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No, he's not the school board, but he is a duly authorized agent of the school board as well as the principal.

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So an ask from either...

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Can I have you say that again? Of the school board or of the school?

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Of the school board.

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He is an officer of the school board. That's what you're saying?

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I said he's a duly authorized agent of the school board.

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Of the school board. By whose authority?

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Well, we would do his hiring. We'd do his evaluation.

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In a group with all the boards in the district.

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Are all the teachers the same way?

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I don't know how that falls. I don't want to even speculate on that.

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So a teacher could also send a letter to the librarian?

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No, I don't believe so. There's a chain of command.

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What I'm saying is... Excuse me, my voice.

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I can hear that.

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I have lots of words tonight.

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No way.

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I agree with our representative to the town.

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Understood.

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When a...

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Outside source, whether it's the union, superintendent, principal,

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makes a request to a town building, it doesn't fly.

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Why? And this is not only the school board.

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Who was elected by the people of Stafford,

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been left out of situations since the superintendent's been involved.

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That's what I'm concerned about.

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It seems that there's been other instances where the superintendent,

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notified the slide board for certain things,

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and the school board was oblivious of it.

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How do you people feel about that?

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What do you think your duty is to the town?

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Well, we know our duty is to the town.

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What is that duty?

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Well, we are elected to run the building,

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oversee the education of the children,

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and in a financially responsible way.

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Okay, so do you agree that the superintendent,

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Okay, so do you agree that the superintendent,

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Okay, so do you agree that the superintendent,

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should communicate through you, through the board?

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Actually, you're the chair, but the board actually makes the decisions.

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It's like our board does.

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I can't just go on my own and make a decision.

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Mike, if I said how I feel,

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I don't feel that that was out of the ordinary to have Bill do that ask.

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Okay, so there's many people that disagree.

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Obviously there are.

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Yeah.

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But I don't find it's out of the ordinary,

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that he made that ask.

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Whether he was making something easier for the principal,

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or just wanting to do it himself to make sure it got done,

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I couldn't tell you.

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He seems to want to do a lot of things himself.

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Well, I think part of the problem was that I wasn't there,

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but from what I gathered of it was the tone of the ask.

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It didn't seem like an ask.

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It seemed more like a demand.

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Three days before the effect.

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I mean, I guess I said this earlier,

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and then we went down the wrong path again.

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Because if we want to go over all the communication, that's fine.

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I'm going to have to excuse myself and leave.

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Because I wasn't at the beginning of that communication.

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And so if you want those delved into,

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then you need the right people here that will do that.

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If you want to go forward in a more amicable way,

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in a more amicable nature, we can continue the meeting.

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But I can't speak to, nor should anyone read a tone

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into any kind of electronic communication.

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Well, I was just going by the open meeting we had in the minutes that were, you know.

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So moving forward.

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Right from that.

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I think Dan had.

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Oh, I just, Mike, if you really care.

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It's Title 16 under education of the VSA in 242 is the superintendent's role.

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Everything they can do in that gives basically him all the power in the world.

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To the school.

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To the school.

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Not to a town office.

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No.

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I'm not seeing it that way.

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I know I come across like that, but I'm just saying.

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I was going to say, if you give me any trouble, we're going to go toe to toe.

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I give up.

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But I'm just saying is that I feel, and that's just like you said, you feel.

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I feel that the communication, and I think the board,

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should go back to the superintendent and let them know how the people of the downfield

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and the other boards did it.

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There should be more communication through the school board.

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Everybody should be involved in this.

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He notified the librarian, not the trustees, but the librarian three days.

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It was three business days, I believe, before the event.

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But they knew they needed tested way before that.

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This is, and that was just one instance.

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There's other instances where he walked us around looking at safety issues in the school.

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School board knew nothing about it.

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You had a meeting that very night, and nobody knew about it.

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These things should be addressed.

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I don't think the slide board should have to address them.

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I think the school board should.

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I thank you for your opinion, and we have.

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Janet.

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Amy.

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Sorry, your mom.

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Yeah, my mom.

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Yes.

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I just wanted to differentiate a little bit in that he's in the,

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he's an agent of the Supervisory Union, and his legal responsibility is to them.

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And so if there is a point where there's a conflict of interest between our school and the Supervisory Union,

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he is obligated to take the part of the Supervisory Union.

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So I'm not saying that that was the case here, but it is a thing that I think it's important to keep an eye on.

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I think Julie is the much clearer direct agent

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of our school board because she is just, she's more in our community.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And I think she has a better way of communicating too about her.

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She might get her answer, but not through a demanding way, and just her way is a little bit easier.

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And I think the other thing too is that if we all understand our roles, we can then know who to,

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I'm notifying and how things work, because it's not knowing that,

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you know, if you don't know how the chain works,

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you're always going to sit there and go, why is this happening?

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Why is that happening?

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So I think, I think that's probably what we're doing right now is more just trying to figure out who does what,

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and where, and when, and not actually rehashing anything.

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At least that's the way I see it.

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Just so you know.

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Do we want to open this up?

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I mean, this is a meeting here, but okay.

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I also think since she is the next trustee person.

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Oh, you're a trustee.

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Not yet, but she is.

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Yeah, yes, yes, sorry.

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So, question is that school use, I don't, does school just go, you put students in the library

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when the library is not open and the student is not supervised?

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The library is closed and there's unsupervised kids in the library?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I don't know that.

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I think, in what context?

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In what context?

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Just free running around?

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During a school day.

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See, that's what I.

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For a purpose, testing and some other services.

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Just for, yeah, I would, either, either, either or.

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There have been instances, and I only know this coming from not being in the library,

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where things are arranged or books are off the shelf or whatever, and I don't know if

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that student is in the library.

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I realize it's a thing, but if you're going to discuss the use of the library, you know,

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can the school just put students in the library and supervise?

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I guess that's a simple way to do that.

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They would have hours, right?

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The school has library hours.

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But just from the outside, I assume, yeah.

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Someone would have to open the library.

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So, moving forward, what are we going to do here?

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Are we just going to talk?

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Better communication?

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Yeah.

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I mean, we need some.

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Do we need something, something written?

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I don't really want to go legal.

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I know.

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Did not, was it not mentioned that we had access to legal review of anything we put

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out there that would be covered by the supervisory unit or some organization?

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I thought that when it comes to my.

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No.

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Only if it, if it pertains to the supervisory unit.

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All right.

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Yes.

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All right.

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We'll do it.

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Do you have a hole in your waist?

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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Does it weigh?

252
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Does it go through the water?

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I think.

254
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Yeah.

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That's what I'm wondering.

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And we can set.

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The select board can say we are going to mobile on and take care of the snow plowing and sanding,

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period.

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And then my question would be would the end goal of whatever is potentially created be

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to delineate that regarding the entire building so that would it be a memory and desired portion

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of the total block who owns it.

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of understanding or an MOU or MOA however we want to refer to it between

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the select board and the school board or would it just simply be outlining when

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different parts of the building are being used or and and how they're to be

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used at those times or I guess how deep because if you're if it's a very vague

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outline although I understand that legal counsel is ideal if it's a very vague

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outline just to to determine some lines of communication I think that that

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would be one thing but if we're really breaking down to you're paying this

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percent of the electricity and you're responsible for the heating system and

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we're responsible for that I feel like that amount of detail we would have no

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choice but to see so what I read and understood is that it can be treated as

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a contract if it has three elements of a contract one of the

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then

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is specific terms one of them is agreement between parties so for example

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the select board put out something all on their own that nobody else signed that

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said we mow the lawn we that's not a contract right that's just there's no

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two parties to that but if there are two or more parties to it and there are

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what's called considerations where one party says I will do this thing and the

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other party says that thing so I think if for communication purposes each group

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wanted to like issue their own

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here's what we understand to be our responsibilities then that doesn't

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that's what I'd like to see and then have something at the bottom to be

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modified if something comes up we can get together like this and say oh this

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is not working let's see if we could do something else or you to do something

285
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else I think that the people at these on these boards should ask yourself a

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question why is this happening

287
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How old is this school?

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How long has the school and the town office

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has been living together in harmony?

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Way before May.

291
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Right, way before May.

292
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Now there's these issues.

293
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We talk about the building, what part of the building?

294
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Well, I can, not to call her out,

295
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but Pam, you remember this statement.

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From the front of the road to the river, that's the school.

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Remember that, Pam?

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I remember it.

299
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So, I remember that because you told me to remember it.

300
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Good memory.

301
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She's tough too, so.

302
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But what I'm asking is, and I just wanna ask this question,

303
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why are we writing things down?

304
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Why are we setting contracts?

305
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What is the concern?

306
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What is the nervousness?

307
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Why are we doing this?

308
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I don't know the answer.

309
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I have an opinion, but I don't know the answer.

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I do, I did read that, Jed, and I do care about that,

311
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and I do see, but it's still a gray area

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of when the school's open.

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The school's open when they say it's open.

314
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Pretty much.

315
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Right? Yeah.

316
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So we're having a meeting and the school says,

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well, we're gonna have a dance that night.

318
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School's open, right?

319
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And the school says, you guys can't have a meeting

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that night because we need to park it.

321
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Can they tell us not to park here?

322
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Can they tell a library, close, because we're doing testing?

323
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Can they tell us, now you lost your lawn mowing guy,

324
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and we're gonna hire a guy and you're gonna pay for it?

325
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Or if our highway truck breaks down, do they tell us we have to pay

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for a new guy to come in and hire an outside contractor?

327
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I wanna know is, who dictates what's going on?

328
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Or do we leave it alone and live in harmony like we used to,

329
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like a bunch of . . . . . . . . .

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townspeople, instead of this outside source of a union,

331
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I don't need to tell you how I feel about unions,

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dictates to us what they're doing.

333
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We're representatives of these townspeople.

334
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Not the union.

335
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That's my concern.

336
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Well, ask yourself that question, why are we doing this?

337
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That's my . . . that's my question.

338
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That's a good question.

339
00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:53,900
Yeah. I don't know.

340
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I don't see anybody answering.

341
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I don't have an answer to that.

342
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That's tough.

343
00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:58,099
It just seems like that's the environment that's messed with . . . . a lot of cars but there's nobody doing any other things.

344
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I don't know. I don't have an answer for that. It just seems like that's the environment

345
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that something needs to be drawn out.

346
00:20:01,539 --> 00:20:04,400
You know, we hear, look what happened to Reesboro.

347
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Coming from the superintendent, saying that to the library,

348
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did you see what happened to Reesboro?

349
00:20:10,769 --> 00:20:15,569
I look at that as a veiled threat, at the least.

350
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Maybe you don't, maybe you don't.

351
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Like I said, the whole town.

352
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I don't even know the guy.

353
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I'm just saying, when I see this stuff going on,

354
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it bothers me for the town of Stanford.

355
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That's what I was elected for,

356
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to represent the people of the town of Stanford.

357
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Yeah, we don't need a rogue agent.

358
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Right. Dictating everything

359
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that's going to happen.

360
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And where does that, what is this, why is this happening?

361
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I'm not, I haven't been relieved

362
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about the town offices here.

363
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:44,599
The school's going to say, no,

364
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you can only operate at certain hours.

365
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Simple as that.

366
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You need to be closed on businesses at night.

367
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That's what drives the actual need

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to have something that says, this belongs here,

369
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that belongs here.

370
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And now the chooshy kind of situation.

371
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I mean, I wish we could do the old buddy handshake

372
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and say, yeah, we all love each other for 50 years.

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I'm sorry.

374
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,960
We could go all the way down to the multi-use room, though.

375
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So now what happens?

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We know that multi-use room is not a multi-use room

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during school hours.

378
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We know that.

379
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Right?

380
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Multi-purpose, yep.

381
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Multi-purpose, okay.

382
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Use and purpose.

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I think if you look them up in the synonymous, that's it.

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But I'm just saying, I'm not as educated as the rest

385
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of the people in this room.

386
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But I do have ideas.

387
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And I'm saying is, when we talked about this,

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what was that, eight years ago?

389
00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:40,319
Eight years ago, somewhere around there?

390
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That's right.

391
00:21:41,099 --> 00:21:43,539
We talked about that room.

392
00:21:43,539 --> 00:21:48,019
That room was written down in the deed as a multi-purpose room.

393
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But it's really not, is it?

394
00:21:50,299 --> 00:21:53,509
Only when the school says we can use it.

395
00:21:53,509 --> 00:21:53,690
Right.

396
00:21:53,690 --> 00:21:55,130
Is that right?

397
00:21:55,130 --> 00:21:57,569
Or do we, or is that ours?

398
00:21:57,569 --> 00:21:58,549
Can we use it?

399
00:21:58,549 --> 00:22:00,410
I understand when there's kids there,

400
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there's this concern of safety.

401
00:22:02,029 --> 00:22:03,900
I understand that point.

402
00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:06,819
I don't believe there's any safety, but I understand it.

403
00:22:06,819 --> 00:22:09,190
And that's what you have to look at, Mike.

404
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:14,009
When all of this blueprints and deeds were all made up,

405
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it was a different world.

406
00:22:15,609 --> 00:22:16,650
And we all know that.

407
00:22:16,650 --> 00:22:17,150
Sure.

408
00:22:17,150 --> 00:22:19,009
We all know that for sure.

409
00:22:19,009 --> 00:22:20,849
Our kids could walk to school.

410
00:22:20,849 --> 00:22:21,650
Sure.

411
00:22:21,650 --> 00:22:23,730
Our kids could walk home from school.

412
00:22:23,730 --> 00:22:26,609
They walked down to the church for catechism not that long

413
00:22:26,609 --> 00:22:28,430
ago.

414
00:22:28,430 --> 00:22:30,230
It's just a different world now.

415
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:32,329
Yeah, well, I understand that.

416
00:22:32,329 --> 00:22:35,369
And there's just conditions that have to be locked off

417
00:22:35,369 --> 00:22:36,890
and it has to be closed.

418
00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:40,250
And in the meantime, I mean, to answer your previous question,

419
00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:45,230
there's also been laws within the agency of education

420
00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:48,490
that have changed that have given the superintendent

421
00:22:48,490 --> 00:22:51,289
different direction and different governance.

422
00:22:51,289 --> 00:22:56,849
And so some of that could be a spillover into what

423
00:22:56,849 --> 00:22:57,809
you see as a problem.

424
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And

425
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But we have to live with.

426
00:23:01,269 --> 00:23:06,480
And we all have to abide by law through the state.

427
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,779
So this is going to come as no surprise.

428
00:23:09,779 --> 00:23:15,940
But I also read up a whole bunch of the state statutes.

429
00:23:15,940 --> 00:23:18,400
And I'm just curious, because I keep hearing that it's in state

430
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,779
law that the school has control of the building

431
00:23:23,779 --> 00:23:25,099
during school hours.

432
00:23:25,099 --> 00:23:26,720
And I looked and I looked and I looked.

433
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,759
And I was genuinely curious as to what you were referring to.

434
00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:31,259
OK.

435
00:23:31,259 --> 00:23:35,990
This says, property of the school district.

436
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:36,789
Which is, which is.

437
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:38,529
Because I've looked at this, which is us.

438
00:23:38,529 --> 00:23:39,029
Yeah.

439
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:42,910
It's control, not property.

440
00:23:42,910 --> 00:23:45,210
Should I have control of something they don't own?

441
00:23:45,210 --> 00:23:47,329
Well, this says, shall have possession, care, control,

442
00:23:47,329 --> 00:23:49,609
and management of the property of the school district

443
00:23:49,609 --> 00:23:52,210
subject to the authority vested in the electorate or any school

444
00:23:52,210 --> 00:23:55,039
district official.

445
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:57,559
Are we saying that the school district and the town

446
00:23:57,559 --> 00:23:59,180
are the exact same thing?

447
00:23:59,180 --> 00:24:01,579
Because they have separate school boards.

448
00:24:01,579 --> 00:24:02,299
And they're separate.

449
00:24:02,299 --> 00:24:02,400
Yeah.

450
00:24:02,420 --> 00:24:04,460
You have a town board and you have a school board.

451
00:24:04,460 --> 00:24:04,960
Right.

452
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,799
So as the school district, the school board

453
00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:10,039
is the representation to that district.

454
00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:14,799
So basically, I've downloaded all the really bad definitions

455
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:17,160
that don't make any sense until you actually sit down.

456
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,180
A school district is the district

457
00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:24,759
is a public governing unit that in Vermont state statute

458
00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:29,240
exists as its own independent municipality in which it

459
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,220
has the power of municipality, including

460
00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:34,759
the availability to levy taxes, yada, yada, yada.

461
00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:36,680
But we're not a school district, right?

462
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:37,180
No, we are.

463
00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:39,460
We're a supervisor.

464
00:24:39,460 --> 00:24:42,559
Inside, it's like, you guys are leaders.

465
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:46,759
You have the school district and then the supervisor.

466
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:50,400
Because they're headed in a debate about that, too.

467
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,299
Yeah.

468
00:24:51,299 --> 00:24:53,940
Yeah, but I mean, what is the property of the school district?

469
00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:55,539
Because my understanding was that this

470
00:24:55,539 --> 00:24:56,759
is the property of the town.

471
00:24:56,759 --> 00:24:57,519
The building.

472
00:24:57,519 --> 00:24:59,759
The road to the river.

473
00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:00,960
But where does that come from?

474
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,099
Because it's on the deed.

475
00:25:02,099 --> 00:25:03,180
I'm just, I'm curious.

476
00:25:03,180 --> 00:25:04,019
I'm truly curious.

477
00:25:04,019 --> 00:25:05,759
Where did it come from originally?

478
00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:09,240
It was, I believe it was the last chair of the school board

479
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,400
said that.

480
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,599
Pam has looked like she might know.

481
00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:12,140
Pam, you know.

482
00:25:12,140 --> 00:25:12,640
Yeah, Pam.

483
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,519
It may have been you.

484
00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:14,480
I'm not sure.

485
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,400
I don't believe I've said that, but.

486
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,640
Well, I would have to go back in that eight years ago.

487
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,259
It was prior to COVID when we were over there.

488
00:25:22,259 --> 00:25:24,680
This is going to come as a shock when I read all the meeting

489
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,480
minutes, too, about this.

490
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:27,980
Wow.

491
00:25:27,980 --> 00:25:29,220
People are not going to see it.

492
00:25:29,220 --> 00:25:31,599
They really are not going to see it.

493
00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:33,559
When I get curious, I start digging.

494
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:36,900
Well, I don't know if we have the minutes now on the phone.

495
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:37,400
No, you do.

496
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,599
You have it all the way.

497
00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:42,599
So 2020 was the last time this really reared its head.

498
00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:44,400
And that's what I was reading about.

499
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,220
And I didn't see anything about references to statute.

500
00:25:47,220 --> 00:25:50,640
I didn't see anything about, I saw the school board asserting

501
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,259
that they had control over the building,

502
00:25:52,259 --> 00:25:57,180
but I never saw like the mechanism for that.

503
00:25:57,180 --> 00:25:57,859
Pam.

504
00:25:57,859 --> 00:25:59,180
I can't recognize Pam.

505
00:25:59,180 --> 00:26:01,220
So I just want to, I just want to state

506
00:26:01,220 --> 00:26:04,599
that I would be very concerned about putting anything down

507
00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:06,299
in writing between two parties.

508
00:26:06,299 --> 00:26:10,910
I would be wanting hard before you actually do that.

509
00:26:10,910 --> 00:26:16,609
And also, the reason that this has become this big thing

510
00:26:16,609 --> 00:26:24,009
is because it appears to me that our superintendent showed

511
00:26:24,009 --> 00:26:30,579
extreme disrespect to the town, to the library,

512
00:26:30,579 --> 00:26:32,700
and the way he handled this whole thing.

513
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:33,200
Yeah.

514
00:26:33,650 --> 00:26:37,410
And because none of this had to go down this way,

515
00:26:37,410 --> 00:26:39,529
but he chose to make it go down this way.

516
00:26:39,529 --> 00:26:43,410
And to be fair, I don't believe that he's a stupid man.

517
00:26:43,410 --> 00:26:45,269
I believe he knew what he was doing.

518
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:47,069
That's just my opinion.

519
00:26:47,069 --> 00:26:51,650
So my question here is, are we in a situation

520
00:26:51,650 --> 00:26:56,680
where when the superintendent decides he wants something,

521
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,880
he's just going to disrespect our and demand

522
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,180
that we capitulate?

523
00:27:02,180 --> 00:27:03,460
Is that where we are now?

524
00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:03,960
Yes.

525
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:09,980
That's what I, that's the question I'd like to know.

526
00:27:09,980 --> 00:27:11,720
Opinion or in fact?

527
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:17,549
Opinion is, he made a statement to the school, or to the library,

528
00:27:17,549 --> 00:27:21,309
more or less saying, hey, you saw what happened to Reesboro.

529
00:27:21,309 --> 00:27:23,170
Don't push back against me.

530
00:27:23,170 --> 00:27:25,470
Is that kind of what he said?

531
00:27:25,470 --> 00:27:28,390
He did bring up Reesboro again the other night

532
00:27:28,390 --> 00:27:29,509
at the school board meeting.

533
00:27:29,509 --> 00:27:30,930
I don't want to hold that.

534
00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:33,049
But I did verbalize the fact that it

535
00:27:33,049 --> 00:27:34,089
does make me uncomfortable.

536
00:27:34,089 --> 00:27:36,089
And I said it in their meeting.

537
00:27:36,089 --> 00:27:36,769
It went during.

538
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:38,690
It does make me uncomfortable because we do

539
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:40,269
know what happened in Reesboro.

540
00:27:40,269 --> 00:27:42,529
And I do believe that it is a different scenario.

541
00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:45,890
And we talked about the fact that not only is the layout

542
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:48,609
of their building different, but also the ownership

543
00:27:48,609 --> 00:27:50,930
of their building, where they had signed it over

544
00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:55,349
to the supervisory union or the school district.

545
00:27:55,349 --> 00:27:57,710
I'm not sure at this point which way it went.

546
00:27:57,710 --> 00:28:00,410
But the actual ownership of the building

547
00:28:00,410 --> 00:28:02,930
had changed hands because now it's going back

548
00:28:02,930 --> 00:28:04,150
in the other direction.

549
00:28:04,150 --> 00:28:05,890
But I did tell him.

550
00:28:05,890 --> 00:28:09,220
And I'm trying to communicate the best

551
00:28:09,220 --> 00:28:13,160
we can what our major concerns are.

552
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,279
And the fact that Reesboro has been brought up

553
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:18,819
at three separate times to us, twice in person

554
00:28:18,819 --> 00:28:22,779
and once in the electronic communications,

555
00:28:22,779 --> 00:28:24,559
makes me uncomfortable.

556
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:27,819
It would be a huge detriment to the town

557
00:28:27,819 --> 00:28:30,380
if all of a sudden the library is not allowed to open before 5

558
00:28:30,380 --> 00:28:32,180
PM.

559
00:28:32,180 --> 00:28:37,670
Our primary patrons, they definitely come before 5 PM.

560
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:38,630
Right?

561
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:42,910
So that's something we want to avoid at all costs.

562
00:28:42,910 --> 00:28:44,650
We also want to be collaborative.

563
00:28:44,650 --> 00:28:48,599
We want to continue to do what we've done, which

564
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:52,220
is, as Cindy stated earlier, the best

565
00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:55,559
that we can with the finances that we have to maintain

566
00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:58,319
the space, to make it welcoming, to encourage community

567
00:28:58,319 --> 00:28:58,819
involvement.

568
00:28:58,819 --> 00:29:01,299
We want to do all of those things.

569
00:29:01,299 --> 00:29:03,819
I think we just want some reassurance

570
00:29:03,819 --> 00:29:07,009
that we're not going to come up against.

571
00:29:07,009 --> 00:29:08,069
And the other point.

572
00:29:08,069 --> 00:29:10,390
We have a piece that was a major concern, which

573
00:29:10,390 --> 00:29:12,569
we have voiced to both the school board

574
00:29:12,569 --> 00:29:13,650
and to the select board.

575
00:29:13,650 --> 00:29:17,369
So I'll just reiterate it concisely, which

576
00:29:17,369 --> 00:29:19,809
is, it is a big financial burden.

577
00:29:19,809 --> 00:29:24,269
We did opt to continue paying our librarians,

578
00:29:24,269 --> 00:29:26,049
even though the building was closed,

579
00:29:26,049 --> 00:29:30,789
because that represented 40% of their pay for those weeks.

580
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:35,970
So you certainly can't, without any notice, say to your employee,

581
00:29:35,970 --> 00:29:36,990
we're not paying you.

582
00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:37,450
Right?

583
00:29:37,450 --> 00:29:37,950
Right.

584
00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:38,450
We can't do that.

585
00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:38,950
Right.

586
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:43,150
So we certainly opted to continue.

587
00:29:43,150 --> 00:29:45,390
It's commendable that you did that, but on the other hand.

588
00:29:45,390 --> 00:29:47,130
But that would also be another issue

589
00:29:47,130 --> 00:29:48,630
if it were to become more frequent.

590
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:50,710
The townspeople are the ones that lost out.

591
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:51,849
They did.

592
00:29:51,849 --> 00:29:56,309
Luckily, our librarians were able to make use of their time

593
00:29:56,309 --> 00:30:00,759
and do things that didn't pertain

594
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,420
to opening the doors of the library.

595
00:30:04,420 --> 00:30:06,460
So we want to make sure that, moving forward,

596
00:30:06,460 --> 00:30:07,940
we're just not put in a position where,

597
00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:09,940
we have to close during.

598
00:30:09,940 --> 00:30:12,319
And it is not an extensive number of hours.

599
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:18,759
It's six hours a week that the overlap happens.

600
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:19,259
So.

601
00:30:19,259 --> 00:30:21,880
Did they end up using the library for testing?

602
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,460
We know one of the days that we were closed, it was not used.

603
00:30:25,460 --> 00:30:28,559
So they put a sign on the door and did not allow us to open,

604
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:29,740
but it was not used.

605
00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:33,059
One of our librarians came a handful of times to check,

606
00:30:33,059 --> 00:30:35,259
and the space wasn't being utilized.

607
00:30:35,259 --> 00:30:37,680
So it's not something we did over and over again.

608
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,519
I don't know.

609
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:39,559
But we do know that on one of the days that we were closed,

610
00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:40,059
we were able to close.

611
00:30:40,059 --> 00:30:40,559
So we're not using the library for testing.

612
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:40,759
So we're not using the library for testing.

613
00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:40,960
So we're not using the library for testing.

614
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:41,359
We're not using the library for testing.

615
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:41,859
So we're not using the library for testing.

616
00:30:41,859 --> 00:30:43,880
And on the days that we were instructed to close,

617
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,509
which we closed, the library was not utilized.

618
00:30:47,509 --> 00:30:50,609
So explain to me, maybe Pam, elaborate.

619
00:30:50,609 --> 00:30:52,509
Why do you think we don't need a written agreement

620
00:30:52,509 --> 00:30:53,509
between two parties in the city?

621
00:30:53,509 --> 00:30:56,970
I just think that when you sign, when you enter

622
00:30:56,970 --> 00:31:00,750
into an agreement between two parties, it becomes a contract,

623
00:31:00,750 --> 00:31:03,609
and I do not think the town should be getting

624
00:31:03,609 --> 00:31:05,309
into a contract without .

625
00:31:05,309 --> 00:31:10,309
There may be a time where we can't afford on our town budget

626
00:31:10,309 --> 00:31:11,609
to continue to mow the ground.

627
00:31:11,609 --> 00:31:16,529
a lot we might or plowed right or I don't see who might need some

628
00:31:16,529 --> 00:31:20,069
flexibility but in the environment we're in now where this I don't I don't see

629
00:31:20,069 --> 00:31:25,170
him all of a sudden being mr. nice guy I just don't see that well I don't know

630
00:31:25,170 --> 00:31:30,210
but our school board certainly doesn't answer to him like I mean I know in

631
00:31:30,210 --> 00:31:34,369
certain cases can't see bill being mr. nice guy is that what you're saying not

632
00:31:34,369 --> 00:31:37,210
the way he's been approaching the last three topics that were discussing

633
00:31:37,210 --> 00:31:47,369
tonight I'm just I'm going back to what I said I'm hoping we can just work it

634
00:31:47,369 --> 00:31:52,710
out among the three boards say we're going to do this you're going to do that

635
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:58,109
and if we need to use the building I mean that we already have permission to

636
00:31:58,109 --> 00:32:03,809
use the multi-purpose room Thursday nights if we have an overflow in the

637
00:32:03,809 --> 00:32:07,529
select board office

638
00:32:07,529 --> 00:32:08,789
and for other

639
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:17,210
events too you've asked permission we've asked permission to use the building so

640
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:21,059
if you want to use a community room you apply to the school board and they

641
00:32:21,059 --> 00:32:28,559
approve it we apply to the principal's office I think that's to me that's so

642
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:34,299
much like treating the board like a children if no one's using it I believe

643
00:32:34,299 --> 00:32:38,940
that it should be a scheduling a communication an agreement

644
00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:39,339
you

645
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:44,220
know it doesn't show up but permission bothers me we we are not allowed in

646
00:32:44,220 --> 00:32:49,880
there without asking even if it's not open and I just don't I mean I hear I

647
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,119
know it's a different world but I hear stories occur having a key with him as a

648
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:58,380
kid going over playing basketball to this day I know people use that that are

649
00:32:58,380 --> 00:33:03,680
out of town people have keys and they go in there or they don't have it it's

650
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:09,420
got a key now. But this went back, way back 8 years, 10 years ago, and they had, there

651
00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:15,339
was keys all over the place. And a slide board asked for a key to utilize it without asking

652
00:33:15,339 --> 00:33:22,779
permission if we had an overflow. Just a chair. We were told no. We were told no. Because

653
00:33:22,779 --> 00:33:29,859
we're not capable of making sure everything is done. Yeah, the back door was open a couple

654
00:33:29,859 --> 00:33:34,980
times now that we had to call and get it shut. The other thing I don't like, and this is

655
00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:41,880
nothing against you again, but I noticed as I've been on the board, since I've come to

656
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:49,430
town actually, when you were chairman before, you ran your meetings, and the principal was

657
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:55,519
invited against your meetings, and the principal was allowed to have time to talk. Now Bill

658
00:33:55,519 --> 00:34:00,500
runs your meetings. I don't understand that. No, he doesn't. Thank you, Beth. No, Cindy

659
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:01,180
runs the meetings.

660
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,480
Okay, so Bill does all the communications, all the emails, all the agendas, everything

661
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:12,039
that comes to us, it's Bill. I work on the agenda with Bill. And he sends it out. Why

662
00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:17,889
don't you send it out? Because it comes through central office. So that's where I'm having

663
00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:26,909
a problem is, you are Stanford's school board, yet the supervisor's central office seems

664
00:34:26,909 --> 00:34:31,190
to be dictating everything that we do in that school board. He's not dictating.

665
00:34:31,230 --> 00:34:33,989
No, I'm not dictating the whole thing. If I have issues I want to bring up, I call Cindy

666
00:34:33,989 --> 00:34:37,989
and ask her to put things on the agenda. Okay.

667
00:34:37,989 --> 00:34:43,510
If, I think, I look at the supervisor. I thought about that. And what I look at them

668
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:46,150
doing is they're like an administrative function for us.

669
00:34:46,150 --> 00:34:47,150
The last-

670
00:34:47,150 --> 00:34:54,150
They post it on the central office website, all of the agendas and minutes, they're all

671
00:34:54,150 --> 00:34:55,150
essential.

672
00:34:55,150 --> 00:35:00,150
The town meeting itself, the school board session of it, Bill ran that.

673
00:35:00,150 --> 00:35:02,500
No.

674
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:09,940
bill he started he ran it he answered questions he rolled his eyes when he asked questions which

675
00:35:09,940 --> 00:35:14,820
i was one of the only people to ask a question on a two or two point something million dollar budget

676
00:35:15,619 --> 00:35:22,099
but bill seems to be taking over the school board i will go to the next meeting and i will watch i

677
00:35:22,099 --> 00:35:27,059
will i will observe and see how much he talks versus how much he talks and please do oh i will

678
00:35:27,059 --> 00:35:35,860
look in fact yeah i'm not proud but i shushed him twice this week i was gonna say maybe ask cindy

679
00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:40,579
about a cleaning machine yeah yeah no he hasn't put them down a couple of times oh yeah and i gave

680
00:35:40,579 --> 00:35:49,780
him a talk to the hand so um that makes me happy good it happens you know i mean but in referencing

681
00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:56,980
town meeting we as a board superintendent and principal went over our strategy

682
00:35:57,059 --> 00:36:03,840
strategies of how we were going to approach it remember I'm sure you all do that because it was

683
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,739
a reminder in an email somewhere down the line that our school budget didn't pass the year before

684
00:36:08,739 --> 00:36:18,230
so we wanted to have as much information as possible and so we had Julie speak to the test

685
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:23,469
scores and the improvements that were happening with the students and in the classrooms with with

686
00:36:23,469 --> 00:36:29,650
the staff and then we had Bill speak to some of this some of the numbers because a lot of it had

687
00:36:29,650 --> 00:36:36,130
to do with the cleanup up central office and special education dollars

688
00:36:36,130 --> 00:36:47,889
after the last superintendent there was a lot of there was it wasn't a mismanagement but it was a

689
00:36:47,889 --> 00:36:53,489
failed system overall and so invoices

690
00:36:53,849 --> 00:36:57,389
would come in if they weren't being, it was not corrupt,

691
00:36:57,389 --> 00:36:59,869
it was failed, they were not being entered

692
00:36:59,869 --> 00:37:04,869
into the computer properly, into the program properly,

693
00:37:04,929 --> 00:37:08,090
and so it looked like you had more money, and you didn't.

694
00:37:08,090 --> 00:37:11,150
So because the invoices weren't being charged against,

695
00:37:11,150 --> 00:37:13,190
the debits weren't going to be made up.

696
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:14,369
Nobody ended up with that money?

697
00:37:14,369 --> 00:37:15,210
Nobody ended up with that money.

698
00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:16,989
No, grants weren't being involved before

699
00:37:16,989 --> 00:37:18,130
that you should have had.

700
00:37:18,130 --> 00:37:20,090
Yeah, I think it seemed, yes,

701
00:37:20,090 --> 00:37:22,210
I think he was very good for that.

702
00:37:22,210 --> 00:37:25,449
He looked very strong in that area there.

703
00:37:25,449 --> 00:37:27,329
And he's done a marvelous job,

704
00:37:27,329 --> 00:37:29,510
because he also brought in a whole new,

705
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:32,070
the whole new crew of people,

706
00:37:32,070 --> 00:37:34,389
unfortunately added a position or two,

707
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:37,949
but also brought in the accounting system

708
00:37:37,949 --> 00:37:40,809
that is compatible with the rest of the state,

709
00:37:40,809 --> 00:37:43,650
so that going forward, everything's gonna be able

710
00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:45,409
to communicate back and forth properly

711
00:37:45,409 --> 00:37:47,920
with grants and what have you.

712
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,280
So there was a lot to it for him to come in.

713
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:52,400
I think with the term.

714
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,239
There was a lot of turnover.

715
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,400
There was a lot of turnover before he took over.

716
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,400
And again, with every single superintendent being present

717
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,400
and in person, there was a lot extra they had to take

718
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,400
on their own shoulders and try to keep the office going.

719
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:11,960
I wonder, too, how much it is the, because it's like,

720
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,940
each superintendent does their job the way they want to do it.

721
00:38:15,940 --> 00:38:19,079
So if you have one that just basically shows up once

722
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:21,900
or twice and says, I'm here if you need me, whatever,

723
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:25,219
or somebody who actually is hands-on doing their job.

724
00:38:25,219 --> 00:38:26,900
You're not wrong.

725
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:29,619
And so I think that it's just understanding.

726
00:38:29,619 --> 00:38:33,559
We had an interim, I wasn't on the board again yet,

727
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:39,139
but we had an interim that he was a retired superintendent.

728
00:38:39,179 --> 00:38:42,079
He was a wonderful man and that's what he wanted to be.

729
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:43,679
He just wanted to be a wonderful man

730
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:44,820
and he wanted to be everybody's friend

731
00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:46,840
and he wasn't doing anything to clean up

732
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,239
and help and sort through.

733
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,099
And so the staff was still feeling like they didn't have the

734
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,480
balance that they needed and so he had to move along.

735
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,480
Right, but there should be checks and balances.

736
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:57,480
Absolutely, and now there are.

737
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,480
I believe that the school boards should be part

738
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,480
of that check and balance.

739
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,480
Absolutely.

740
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,480
And when we have a superintendent and a failed system,

741
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,480
or whatever we call it, I also, maybe I'm wrong,

742
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,480
but I thought there was something about missing funds.

743
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,800
To me, that's not just a failed system.

744
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,800
They were not missing.

745
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,800
Nobody knew where they were.

746
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,829
Not how they came to be.

747
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:22,829
Well.

748
00:39:22,829 --> 00:39:24,829
You know, when you think you have more money

749
00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:26,829
because you haven't entered the invoice.

750
00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:27,829
Right.

751
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:28,829
So you spend twice.

752
00:39:28,829 --> 00:39:29,829
Right.

753
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:30,829
You spend twice as much.

754
00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:31,829
I understand.

755
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:32,829
Yeah.

756
00:39:32,829 --> 00:39:33,829
Now the money's gone because it's spent

757
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:34,829
and the vendors have to get paid.

758
00:39:34,829 --> 00:39:35,829
Right.

759
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:38,829
So everybody got fired or many people got fired.

760
00:39:38,829 --> 00:39:39,829
A lot of people just quit.

761
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:40,829
No, people quit.

762
00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:41,829
I understand that.

763
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:42,829
Yes.

764
00:39:42,829 --> 00:39:48,019
So thinking about the use of space

765
00:39:48,019 --> 00:39:50,019
and how we can communicate better about it,

766
00:39:50,019 --> 00:39:53,019
I think one of the things I'm sitting here chewing over

767
00:39:53,019 --> 00:39:55,019
is I'm not sure that better communication

768
00:39:55,019 --> 00:39:58,019
would have entirely prevented the situation

769
00:39:58,019 --> 00:40:00,019
that we had with the library use

770
00:40:00,019 --> 00:40:02,019
because there was a genuine conflict

771
00:40:02,019 --> 00:40:08,139
of the school and or the superintendent

772
00:40:08,139 --> 00:40:12,530
believing that they could use the space

773
00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:15,530
when we believed they could not use the space.

774
00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:20,530
And so I totally believe that improving communication

775
00:40:20,530 --> 00:40:22,530
is critical and will help a lot.

776
00:40:22,530 --> 00:40:24,530
But I'm just putting out there

777
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:26,530
that I think there still will be times

778
00:40:26,530 --> 00:40:29,530
when there's disagreement over space.

779
00:40:29,530 --> 00:40:32,530
And so we need to have a way of resolving those times

780
00:40:32,530 --> 00:40:34,530
when there's disagreement over the use of space.

781
00:40:34,530 --> 00:40:38,530
Can I just ask the school board members present,

782
00:40:38,530 --> 00:40:42,530
do you, your opinions on,

783
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:46,559
do you feel like the library should have to close

784
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:50,559
during the school hour, the six hours of overlap?

785
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:55,500
I don't think that's a good question.

786
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:58,500
I think it's a fair question to ask us.

787
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:04,760
Only because we do oversee the education of the students,

788
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,760
but we don't know the particulars to that,

789
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,760
to the education process of each and every student.

790
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,760
And each and every student is different.

791
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,760
And that's what was so specific to these testing needs

792
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:20,300
was to accommodate for any learning curve

793
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:23,400
that was involved with each student.

794
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,400
So we can't fairly assess that.

795
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,400
Right.

796
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,400
But they did have the three full weeks.

797
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,400
I checked the testing window in Vermont

798
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,400
because I'm very familiar with it in Massachusetts.

799
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,400
And Vermont is similar in which they give you three full weeks

800
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,400
to complete the testing that needs to be done.

801
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,400
And the testing does not, I mean, I think, you know,

802
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,400
most of the time it would be very unfair

803
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,400
to test a student for five hours out of a school day, right?

804
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,400
Like that would not be an appropriate use of time.

805
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,400
For any...

806
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,400
Exactly.

807
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,400
Whatever level you're at.

808
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,400
Exactly.

809
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,400
The AP exams are the closest we get in education

810
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,400
to testing for that long.

811
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,400
And even that's only three and a half hours.

812
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,400
Although don't tell my kids I said only.

813
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,400
So, but I guess my point is with the...

814
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,400
And I know we don't need to dig back into this.

815
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,400
My question was really moving forward.

816
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,400
But if you have three full weeks

817
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,400
and you know that in any one week

818
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,400
you're definitely not going to be testing

819
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,400
a particular student for that length of time,

820
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,500
I feel like logistically,

821
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:34,500
it seems as though it wasn't a necessity.

822
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:36,500
But whether it was or wasn't,

823
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:40,500
in general, do you as members of the town

824
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:42,500
and of the school board feel like

825
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:44,500
if the superintendent says to us,

826
00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:46,500
you need to close tomorrow,

827
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:48,500
that we, like, is that something

828
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:50,500
that you would support him in doing?

829
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:53,500
I think there always has to be a legitimate explanation.

830
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:54,500
Time...

831
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:57,500
I don't know the time frame

832
00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:01,500
and why it was such a close ask.

833
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:06,010
But I think...

834
00:43:06,010 --> 00:43:08,679
I don't think the superintendent

835
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:11,679
will be doing any asking in future...

836
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:14,679
This one, anyway, particularly in the future.

837
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:20,739
But I think we need to...

838
00:43:20,739 --> 00:43:23,440
We need to be there for one another.

839
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,440
And we need to appreciate

840
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,440
our...

841
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,730
our each role in this town,

842
00:43:29,730 --> 00:43:33,139
and that we're all here for the townspeople.

843
00:43:33,139 --> 00:43:36,139
And I think if we continue

844
00:43:36,139 --> 00:43:41,039
to have a good working relationship,

845
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:45,119
which I think this is...

846
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:47,119
I think this is going to be behind us,

847
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:50,119
and I don't think that it's going to be a problem,

848
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:53,699
but I do feel...

849
00:43:53,699 --> 00:43:56,699
I said this to Nancy after the library

850
00:43:56,699 --> 00:43:58,699
and the school board...

851
00:43:58,699 --> 00:44:00,699
Brian and I met with you guys.

852
00:44:00,699 --> 00:44:07,230
Nancy and I aren't going to always be here.

853
00:44:07,230 --> 00:44:10,230
Mike and you aren't always going to be...

854
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:13,230
Not everyone's always going to know

855
00:44:13,230 --> 00:44:15,230
what the school does,

856
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:16,230
what the town does,

857
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:18,230
what the library does.

858
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:20,230
And I think that if we each...

859
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:23,230
And if you want to do it separately on your own,

860
00:44:23,230 --> 00:44:25,230
define what our roles are

861
00:44:25,230 --> 00:44:26,230
and how we...

862
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:29,230
how we take care of the building together

863
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:31,300
and maintain this

864
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:33,300
for the town,

865
00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:36,780
I think going forward we'll be in better shape.

866
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:37,780
That's how I see it.

867
00:44:37,780 --> 00:44:41,159
I don't think we need anything legal.

868
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:42,159
We have our...

869
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:43,159
our duties,

870
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:44,159
what we're going to do,

871
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:46,190
what you're going to do,

872
00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:47,190
what you're going to do.

873
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:49,190
And then if something comes up,

874
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:50,190
we just meet and say,

875
00:44:50,190 --> 00:44:52,190
ah, this isn't quite working here.

876
00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:54,190
Let's see if we can figure something else out.

877
00:44:54,190 --> 00:44:56,190
But isn't that what we're doing now?

878
00:44:56,190 --> 00:44:57,190
Yeah.

879
00:44:57,190 --> 00:45:00,480
I mean, isn't that what we were doing a month ago, too?

880
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,760
Well, then...

881
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:03,760
Yeah.

882
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,760
I mean, I'm all open for it.

883
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,760
If it's actually going to happen,

884
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,820
well, we'll see, I guess.

885
00:45:06,820 --> 00:45:07,820
Yeah.

886
00:45:07,820 --> 00:45:11,820
It seems like we're making progress.

887
00:45:11,820 --> 00:45:16,820
So I agree with a lot of what you said, Cindy, definitely,

888
00:45:16,820 --> 00:45:17,820
and Amy,

889
00:45:17,820 --> 00:45:20,820
and a lot of what Mike has said,

890
00:45:20,820 --> 00:45:24,860
that there needs to be a mechanism

891
00:45:24,860 --> 00:45:27,920
for addressing any disputes

892
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,920
or anything that comes up

893
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,920
that could...

894
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,920
evolve into something unpleasant.

895
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,920
But I just feel that

896
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,920
if there is an intractable document

897
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,139
that's been signed,

898
00:45:44,139 --> 00:45:47,139
that it has a tendency to establish

899
00:45:47,139 --> 00:45:51,139
an environment that limits

900
00:45:51,139 --> 00:45:54,139
the ability to be collaborative

901
00:45:54,139 --> 00:45:59,139
and to trust our fellow residents

902
00:45:59,139 --> 00:46:01,139
and to establish a sense of community

903
00:46:01,139 --> 00:46:03,139
and all of that great stuff

904
00:46:03,139 --> 00:46:06,139
that we really want to have in place.

905
00:46:06,139 --> 00:46:08,139
And, you know,

906
00:46:08,139 --> 00:46:10,340
if we dotted all the I's

907
00:46:10,340 --> 00:46:11,340
and crossed all the T's

908
00:46:11,340 --> 00:46:14,340
and then signed all the documents,

909
00:46:14,340 --> 00:46:17,340
then it just creates a situation

910
00:46:17,340 --> 00:46:18,340
where it's like,

911
00:46:18,340 --> 00:46:19,340
see?

912
00:46:19,340 --> 00:46:20,340
I told you.

913
00:46:20,340 --> 00:46:22,340
Or whatever could come up.

914
00:46:22,340 --> 00:46:27,340
That if we have a way to...

915
00:46:27,340 --> 00:46:28,340
After some meeting,

916
00:46:28,340 --> 00:46:29,340
can't we all just get along?

917
00:46:29,340 --> 00:46:30,340
You know,

918
00:46:30,340 --> 00:46:33,340
and that's really what we want to happen.

919
00:46:33,340 --> 00:46:35,340
We've all been in that situation in the past

920
00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:38,340
and we know it feels good

921
00:46:38,340 --> 00:46:41,340
to be able to have these kinds of discussions

922
00:46:41,340 --> 00:46:44,340
and have an opportunity for opinions

923
00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:46,340
but not to have it, you know,

924
00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:48,340
get out of hand.

925
00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:50,340
I would agree with all that,

926
00:46:50,340 --> 00:46:52,340
but you've got to throw the supervisory union

927
00:46:52,340 --> 00:46:53,340
into the mix too.

928
00:46:53,340 --> 00:46:55,340
They're part of this conversation as well

929
00:46:55,340 --> 00:46:56,340
and they pull a lot of weight and leverage

930
00:46:56,340 --> 00:46:58,340
as far as what they want to do with the building.

931
00:46:58,340 --> 00:46:59,340
So that's,

932
00:46:59,340 --> 00:47:00,340
in my opinion,

933
00:47:00,340 --> 00:47:02,340
the wild card of what,

934
00:47:02,340 --> 00:47:03,340
you know,

935
00:47:03,340 --> 00:47:04,340
it's great that we all want to sit here

936
00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:05,340
and go kumbaya

937
00:47:05,340 --> 00:47:06,340
and we all get along

938
00:47:06,340 --> 00:47:07,340
and we've known each other forever.

939
00:47:07,340 --> 00:47:08,340
That's great,

940
00:47:08,340 --> 00:47:10,340
but they're not at the table right now.

941
00:47:10,340 --> 00:47:12,340
But they're a major player in the game.

942
00:47:12,340 --> 00:47:14,340
So I just don't trust what it is

943
00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:16,340
that they may want to do in the future.

944
00:47:16,340 --> 00:47:17,340
That's all I'm saying.

945
00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:18,340
But in all honesty,

946
00:47:18,340 --> 00:47:22,340
wasn't I asked and or did I just assume?

947
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:23,340
Oh, no.

948
00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:24,340
You were asked.

949
00:47:24,340 --> 00:47:25,340
I was asked.

950
00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:26,340
You were.

951
00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:27,340
You were not imagining it.

952
00:47:27,340 --> 00:47:28,340
Okay.

953
00:47:28,340 --> 00:47:29,340
It worked.

954
00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:30,340
It worked.

955
00:47:30,340 --> 00:47:31,340
I'm going to have this discussion with Bill.

956
00:47:31,340 --> 00:47:36,340
I'll gladly arrange to get Bill in the mix too.

957
00:47:36,340 --> 00:47:37,849
That's not what I'm saying.

958
00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:38,849
I'm saying,

959
00:47:38,849 --> 00:47:42,070
what she's saying is that we can all get along.

960
00:47:42,070 --> 00:47:44,070
We can all make agreements just on back door handshakes

961
00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:45,070
and all that, right?

962
00:47:45,070 --> 00:47:46,070
Kumbaya in the room.

963
00:47:46,070 --> 00:47:48,070
We've all known each other forever.

964
00:47:48,070 --> 00:47:49,070
But they're part of the,

965
00:47:49,070 --> 00:47:52,070
they're also part of the mix, right?

966
00:47:52,070 --> 00:47:53,070
And they hold a lot of weight

967
00:47:53,070 --> 00:47:56,070
as far as dictating what happens with this building.

968
00:47:56,070 --> 00:47:57,070
So that's the part of the,

969
00:47:57,070 --> 00:47:58,070
But it's not always going to be Bill either.

970
00:47:58,070 --> 00:47:59,070
That's the part of the agreement I'm working on.

971
00:47:59,070 --> 00:48:00,070
So the next one that comes in,

972
00:48:00,070 --> 00:48:01,070
the next one that comes in,

973
00:48:01,070 --> 00:48:04,070
I think that's why we've got to each individually.

974
00:48:04,070 --> 00:48:05,070
Pam.

975
00:48:05,070 --> 00:48:06,070
Okay.

976
00:48:06,070 --> 00:48:07,070
So,

977
00:48:07,070 --> 00:48:08,070
I almost hate to ask this question,

978
00:48:08,070 --> 00:48:09,070
but I'm sorry,

979
00:48:09,070 --> 00:48:10,070
I must.

980
00:48:10,070 --> 00:48:21,230
Because of when you asked a question about whether you could expect to have to close

981
00:48:21,230 --> 00:48:22,230
the library again,

982
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:26,550
and the answer that was given was not,

983
00:48:26,550 --> 00:48:27,550
no,

984
00:48:27,550 --> 00:48:28,550
it was,

985
00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:29,619
I don't know.

986
00:48:29,619 --> 00:48:34,420
Um, and so, so I have to ask this question just because of history.

987
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:41,539
If the superintendent came in here tomorrow and said, hey, we've got like all these kids,

988
00:48:41,619 --> 00:48:44,880
they need special accommodations, you know, we just can't work it.

989
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:47,599
You know, we, we need to have the town office.

990
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:52,800
The town office just is going to need to shut down today because we, we need that.

991
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,099
We need the town office.

992
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,820
Would that be allowed?

993
00:48:56,820 --> 00:49:01,880
I want to know the difference between the library and the town office.

994
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:04,860
Are they, are they the same or are they different?

995
00:49:04,980 --> 00:49:07,099
Does he have control over the building?

996
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,960
A hundred percent control over the building.

997
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,059
Yes or no?

998
00:49:11,780 --> 00:49:12,559
I would say yes.

999
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:13,840
It's one continuous building.

1000
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,719
It's not separate from any.

1001
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,239
I believe you could ask that.

1002
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:22,480
I'd say, I would come down and say, no, you're not using that.

1003
00:49:22,579 --> 00:49:24,099
And I would tell him no.

1004
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,800
I've been on the school board on and off.

1005
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,059
For up for 27 years.

1006
00:49:29,619 --> 00:49:40,219
But the only time I recall the school ever ask for use of this room was when we had a senator come down.

1007
00:49:40,219 --> 00:49:43,559
And that was during the act 46 merger studies and all.

1008
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,980
And, uh, it was Senator Baruth on the education committee.

1009
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:52,920
And we, it was during school hours, so we couldn't actually entertain him.

1010
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,179
And we didn't know what time exactly, but he was supposed to get here for somewhere between.

1011
00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:59,800
12 and one, well, that's lunch out there.

1012
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,800
So we asked for this room.

1013
00:50:01,980 --> 00:50:03,900
We were given permission to use this room.

1014
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:04,420
Yes.

1015
00:50:04,420 --> 00:50:04,840
The only.

1016
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:05,159
Yeah.

1017
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:06,059
Yeah.

1018
00:50:06,059 --> 00:50:06,420
Right.

1019
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:06,659
Yeah.

1020
00:50:08,659 --> 00:50:10,559
It's been used other times too.

1021
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,900
They did a hearing here.

1022
00:50:14,869 --> 00:50:16,610
I said, the office is closed.

1023
00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:17,570
I'll be at that end.

1024
00:50:17,570 --> 00:50:18,650
The door is closed.

1025
00:50:19,010 --> 00:50:20,329
It's not open to the public.

1026
00:50:20,769 --> 00:50:25,429
And you're welcome to use it, but not if it's asked, will it be permission?

1027
00:50:25,789 --> 00:50:27,469
She's saying if it's demanded.

1028
00:50:27,469 --> 00:50:32,289
By the superintendent, does the school board support him?

1029
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:33,960
Is that.

1030
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:49,760
I just want to know whether, whether the school board knows to control, um, this facility via the building or the road to the river.

1031
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:52,159
I just want to know what the answer is to that.

1032
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:55,699
Just the road to the river and worse.

1033
00:50:55,739 --> 00:50:58,219
Well, I mean, they keep, they keep saying that.

1034
00:50:58,340 --> 00:51:02,880
But I haven't seen anything that satisfies me that that's actually, I mean,

1035
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:08,000
Well, and I've done a lot of change management in my professional life.

1036
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:14,159
And one of the ways you get change to happen is you just keep saying the same thing over and over and over until people start repeating it.

1037
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:17,519
And people are like, well, yeah, of course the school has control of the building.

1038
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:23,780
And maybe it does, but I haven't seen anything that actually proves that.

1039
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:25,500
And I, and I.

1040
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:27,579
When it does say it in the law.

1041
00:51:28,340 --> 00:51:30,239
Well, this is the only thing here.

1042
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,840
It's that they have control of the property of the school district.

1043
00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:35,500
But is this the property of the school district?

1044
00:51:35,619 --> 00:51:36,820
This is the property of the town.

1045
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:38,400
We don't know.

1046
00:51:38,619 --> 00:51:39,619
Depends on who you're asking.

1047
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:40,039
Exactly.

1048
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:41,460
So that's what I'm saying.

1049
00:51:41,739 --> 00:51:45,679
That it's like, as far as I can tell, it's still up for debate.

1050
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:48,579
And I think it's going to continue being up for debate.

1051
00:51:49,139 --> 00:51:58,320
But I did want to point out, I want to on the public record that one of the ways that libraries are special in the state of Vermont is that there is.

1052
00:51:58,420 --> 00:52:09,519
This is a statute that specifically refers to municipal libraries and the fact that the board of these municipal libraries have exclusive control over the hours of the municipal library.

1053
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:16,300
And so that is written out as protection for municipal libraries specifically because of their role.

1054
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:22,130
What would you define this as a shared library or municipal library?

1055
00:52:22,170 --> 00:52:24,909
Well, I think community is what you're looking for.

1056
00:52:24,989 --> 00:52:25,690
My community.

1057
00:52:25,690 --> 00:52:25,869
Yeah.

1058
00:52:25,869 --> 00:52:26,130
Okay.

1059
00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:27,630
Well, so here's the fun thing.

1060
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:28,030
So.

1061
00:52:28,030 --> 00:52:28,130
Yeah.

1062
00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:28,190
Yeah.

1063
00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:28,250
Yeah.

1064
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:28,309
Yeah.

1065
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:28,329
Yeah.

1066
00:52:28,329 --> 00:52:28,429
Yeah.

1067
00:52:28,429 --> 00:52:28,489
Yeah.

1068
00:52:28,510 --> 00:52:29,349
And I went and.

1069
00:52:29,610 --> 00:52:30,010
Looked through.

1070
00:52:30,489 --> 00:52:30,670
All the.

1071
00:52:30,789 --> 00:52:32,710
Town warrants that we have back in the vault.

1072
00:52:32,909 --> 00:52:38,849
And the library existed in the earliest one we could find, which was 1940 as a public library.

1073
00:52:38,849 --> 00:52:47,349
And it has been as a public library or as a community library for the entire time with its own budget through the town for that entire time.

1074
00:52:47,849 --> 00:52:54,210
And as far as the state is concerned, like the state library board, I forget what it's called.

1075
00:52:54,349 --> 00:52:57,889
They view us as a municipal library with all of the.

1076
00:52:57,969 --> 00:52:58,489
You know.

1077
00:52:58,510 --> 00:53:04,699
responsibilities and statutes and all that that correspond but it's the space

1078
00:53:04,699 --> 00:53:24,989
that Laurie which matter I think I think he could what's the difference between

1079
00:53:24,989 --> 00:53:31,110
this office and their library there is no difference it's a continuous building

1080
00:53:31,110 --> 00:53:36,090
there's no separation I don't think the school board could make that decision no

1081
00:53:36,090 --> 00:53:40,949
I don't think that it's it I agree it's an interpretation I interpret it

1082
00:53:40,949 --> 00:53:49,639
different than I say that this is a town office and it is in the three different

1083
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:55,579
deeds that this building is owned by the citizens of Stanford and the school has

1084
00:53:55,579 --> 00:54:00,610
no authority at all over this building of this property in where we're sitting

1085
00:54:00,610 --> 00:54:00,909
now

1086
00:54:01,269 --> 00:54:07,190
and if they want to ask that's fine I know there's that after hours it's that

1087
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:12,110
push and shove of that room over here we never asked to use the classrooms we just

1088
00:54:12,110 --> 00:54:21,150
asked to use the municipal community whatever you want to call it years ago that always happened why is it an issue now and I don't

1089
00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:26,199
believe I think you know I know it's a different world but I don't believe it

1090
00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:31,619
has anything to do with safety at all I think that's what they're using as a

1091
00:54:31,619 --> 00:54:32,260
disguise

1092
00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:36,360
you know all its safety is safety there's no safety stop that it's

1093
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,840
ridiculous there's no safety at all at any school these are glass windows these

1094
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,960
are easy doors there's school buses kids still walk to school in this school they

1095
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,239
still ride their bikes and they still use these playgrounds after hours so

1096
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:55,800
they this this community is still a safe community where everybody watched out

1097
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:02,719
for everybody so I believe that the interpretation is these town offices are

1098
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,250
the official entering local officials should remain town offices and if you

1099
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:11,969
want to get deep into it the state has all kinds of special laws firearm laws

1100
00:55:11,969 --> 00:55:18,039
firearm laws can't have a firearm for school property yeah we have hunters

1101
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:22,719
checking in deer you know nobody has a problem with that you know why because

1102
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,360
there is no problem it's Stanford it's Vermont there is no

1103
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:33,159
problem but we couldn't make it a problem all these things and again I'm

1104
00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:33,719
going to go right back to it.

1105
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:40,719
Why are we doing this? Why are we asking these questions? And why are we making these problems?

1106
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:49,789
Why do we have to ask permission to use what we pay for? I don't ask permission for my wife to use the bathroom. I pay for it.

1107
00:55:49,789 --> 00:55:57,980
Why do we have to ask permission? I understand we can't just walk in when they're teaching, but afterwards, why are we doing this?

1108
00:55:57,980 --> 00:56:04,980
We don't have any more children in this school than we did when Kurt went to school. As a matter of fact, probably less.

1109
00:56:04,980 --> 00:56:16,110
Yeah, we need more space now. Why? I was told all our historical stuff is stuffed in a closet somewhere in the school.

1110
00:56:16,110 --> 00:56:23,110
That's pretty nice to know, isn't it? I mean, what are we doing, guys?

1111
00:56:23,110 --> 00:56:27,110
I'm not from Stanford. I moved here. I'm from Clarksburg.

1112
00:56:27,110 --> 00:56:28,110
But I don't know.

1113
00:56:28,110 --> 00:56:34,909
I've known Kurt all my life. I've known Laurie all my life. I probably know Pam pretty close to all my life.

1114
00:56:34,909 --> 00:56:38,909
I know Nancy all my life. You know, I'm right down the road. I see her experience.

1115
00:56:38,909 --> 00:56:40,909
I'm a lot younger than you. I haven't known you much.

1116
00:56:40,909 --> 00:56:43,909
You are. Yeah, you're a cat, you know.

1117
00:56:43,909 --> 00:56:44,909
All right.

1118
00:56:44,909 --> 00:56:46,909
Why are we doing this?

1119
00:56:46,909 --> 00:56:47,909
Yeah, I hear you.

1120
00:56:47,909 --> 00:56:50,909
I don't know. I guess I don't understand.

1121
00:56:50,909 --> 00:56:53,909
I guess we wouldn't be doing any of this if the approach was just different.

1122
00:56:53,909 --> 00:56:54,909
Right.

1123
00:56:54,909 --> 00:56:55,909
Exactly.

1124
00:56:55,909 --> 00:56:57,909
If the approach was appropriate and accurate and professional.

1125
00:56:57,909 --> 00:56:58,909
Yeah.

1126
00:56:58,909 --> 00:57:01,909
We wouldn't be here at all talking about any of this right now.

1127
00:57:01,909 --> 00:57:04,909
So we're just going to continue on doing what we're doing.

1128
00:57:04,909 --> 00:57:10,360
We'll plow. We'll mow. You'll clean the office.

1129
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,360
I don't know what the library does.

1130
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:18,679
So what if a request comes in from Julie even to Danielle and says,

1131
00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:20,679
oh, we need to use the library.

1132
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:24,440
Okay, you can use the library or...

1133
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:25,440
No, you can't.

1134
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:26,440
When?

1135
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:27,440
What do we...

1136
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,440
I'll be right back here again.

1137
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:35,440
The board should tell their employees, that's what they are, your employees,

1138
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,440
that they shouldn't even be contacting the librarian.

1139
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,440
They should be contacting the trustees and asking permission.

1140
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,440
It shouldn't be, well, let's go pick on Danielle.

1141
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:48,440
What's she going to say?

1142
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:49,510
No?

1143
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:52,510
And then all of a sudden they come in there and say, get out.

1144
00:57:52,510 --> 00:57:54,510
She's not going to stand up to those people.

1145
00:57:54,510 --> 00:57:56,510
It needs to go through boards.

1146
00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:58,510
And the boards make decisions.

1147
00:57:58,510 --> 00:58:00,510
And it shouldn't be three days before the event.

1148
00:58:00,510 --> 00:58:02,510
They knew all about this.

1149
00:58:02,510 --> 00:58:04,510
And that's probably why Bill did it.

1150
00:58:04,510 --> 00:58:05,510
Exactly.

1151
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:08,510
Because it was three days before the event and that's probably why Bill did it himself.

1152
00:58:08,510 --> 00:58:10,510
Because it was short notice.

1153
00:58:10,510 --> 00:58:11,510
I don't know.

1154
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:14,510
These issues are why it's happening.

1155
00:58:14,510 --> 00:58:18,510
I mean, it doesn't sit well with me that he's brought in Reesboro three times now.

1156
00:58:18,510 --> 00:58:23,510
I mean, that's a passive-aggressive move just telling you, hey, I still call the shots.

1157
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:27,510
I can do whatever I want to do at any time I want to do it.

1158
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:28,510
That's my worry.

1159
00:58:28,510 --> 00:58:32,889
He goes to Reesboro and he's the one that shut the door in Reesboro.

1160
00:58:32,889 --> 00:58:33,889
No, no.

1161
00:58:33,889 --> 00:58:34,889
That's going to be done.

1162
00:58:34,889 --> 00:58:36,889
And their board directed that.

1163
00:58:36,889 --> 00:58:39,889
Yeah, but he keeps mentioning it.

1164
00:58:39,889 --> 00:58:41,889
He don't mention it for nothing.

1165
00:58:41,889 --> 00:58:43,889
He's not just saying it in passing.

1166
00:58:43,889 --> 00:58:45,889
He's saying it because, yeah, whatever.

1167
00:58:45,889 --> 00:58:46,889
Yeah, exactly.

1168
00:58:46,889 --> 00:58:49,889
That's the part that's not flying with me.

1169
00:58:49,889 --> 00:58:53,889
That's where I said if he's not going to be Mr. Nice Guy, right?

1170
00:58:53,889 --> 00:58:56,889
Because he doesn't seem to be approaching anybody in the Mr. Nice Guy kind of way.

1171
00:58:56,889 --> 00:58:57,889
Why?

1172
00:58:57,889 --> 00:59:00,889
Because we don't like to talk about people when they're not here to defend themselves.

1173
00:59:00,889 --> 00:59:03,889
Well, I'm just saying on the record, he could listen to the recording if he wants.

1174
00:59:03,889 --> 00:59:04,889
Absolutely.

1175
00:59:04,889 --> 00:59:06,889
So he's acting like a dictator, which doesn't fly with me.

1176
00:59:06,889 --> 00:59:11,889
But I'm just telling you this is entering into a very uncomfortable situation for me.

1177
00:59:11,889 --> 00:59:15,889
Because I don't think that that's fair in any way, shape, or form to talk about someone like that.

1178
00:59:15,889 --> 00:59:18,889
Whether you want to use dictator or other words, I just don't think it's right.

1179
00:59:18,889 --> 00:59:19,889
This is my opinion.

1180
00:59:19,889 --> 00:59:20,889
Kirk, am I already talking here?

1181
00:59:20,889 --> 00:59:21,889
It's strictly my opinion.

1182
00:59:21,889 --> 00:59:26,889
And based on all the minutes and all the approach that we've had so far, he's non-approachable.

1183
00:59:26,889 --> 00:59:27,889
He's not professional.

1184
00:59:27,889 --> 00:59:40,889
Going forward, regarding the space of the library, is the school board going to tell Julie to reach out directly to the trustees and give us ample time if there's something?

1185
00:59:40,889 --> 00:59:47,440
Or just, I mean, is there going to be any resolving of if this comes up again?

1186
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:48,440
Because it probably will.

1187
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,440
Yes, because we'll take everything from here.

1188
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:56,440
And as we did the last, when we met with the trustees and I wrote up a synopsis.

1189
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,440
Okay.

1190
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,440
And we discussed it and we'll do the same thing again.

1191
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:01,500
Okay.

1192
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:04,500
So, Nancy, this meeting was called by the select board.

1193
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:05,500
Yes.

1194
01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:06,500
Right?

1195
01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:16,840
Was Bill or the superintendent and or the principal invited to this meeting?

1196
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:17,840
No.

1197
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,840
We discussed at the meeting.

1198
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:20,840
Okay.

1199
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:21,840
I don't think you were here.

1200
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:22,840
No, I wasn't.

1201
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:23,840
That's why I'm asking.

1202
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:24,840
Yeah.

1203
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:25,840
We said just the three boards.

1204
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,409
Okay.

1205
01:00:27,409 --> 01:00:28,409
Yeah.

1206
01:00:28,409 --> 01:00:29,409
But they were welcome to come as visitors.

1207
01:00:29,409 --> 01:00:35,409
So, I believe that in the future when we have these meetings, and we've had just school

1208
01:00:35,409 --> 01:00:36,409
board.

1209
01:00:36,409 --> 01:00:37,409
All board meetings.

1210
01:00:37,409 --> 01:00:38,409
Yeah.

1211
01:00:38,409 --> 01:00:39,409
All board meetings.

1212
01:00:39,409 --> 01:00:40,409
I like them.

1213
01:00:40,409 --> 01:00:41,409
I like them out there more than here.

1214
01:00:41,409 --> 01:00:47,210
When we do have these with the school board, I'd like to at least make a request with our

1215
01:00:47,210 --> 01:00:53,210
board that we invite these people that are, and I agree with Kurt, they're key elements

1216
01:00:53,210 --> 01:00:54,210
of these discussions.

1217
01:00:54,210 --> 01:00:59,210
If they have that much authority, then they should be invited to these meetings.

1218
01:00:59,210 --> 01:01:05,210
So, they can answer Kurt when he asks questions, and we won't be talking behind their backs.

1219
01:01:05,210 --> 01:01:10,210
And that way there, we can get it out instead of, say, pushing it down the road and saying,

1220
01:01:10,210 --> 01:01:12,210
well, we're not sure how he feels.

1221
01:01:12,210 --> 01:01:16,210
The questions have been asked, even though we all have opinions, and that's all they

1222
01:01:16,210 --> 01:01:18,210
are is opinions right now.

1223
01:01:18,210 --> 01:01:20,210
Every single one of them were opinions.

1224
01:01:20,210 --> 01:01:22,630
The questions have not been answered.

1225
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:27,920
I'm not asking you to answer them because I don't think that you want to or you can.

1226
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,920
I really believe that it's a tough question.

1227
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:36,010
If Bill says, Larry, get out, what does the school board think about that?

1228
01:01:36,010 --> 01:01:41,010
You should go back to your board and ask that question and run that by the board and say,

1229
01:01:41,010 --> 01:01:44,079
that is a pretty good question.

1230
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:49,750
Does the superintendent of the supervisor union, whatever the heck it's called, have

1231
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:58,929
the authority to dictate anything they want during or after school hours?

1232
01:01:59,929 --> 01:02:06,159
In this whole building and this whole property, is the answer yes, no, or somewhere in between?

1233
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:07,159
That's what we need to know.

1234
01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:09,159
So you're talking about after school hours?

1235
01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:10,159
I'm asking.

1236
01:02:10,159 --> 01:02:11,159
During school hours?

1237
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:12,159
You mentioned after school hours.

1238
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:13,159
I said both.

1239
01:02:13,159 --> 01:02:14,159
Okay.

1240
01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:19,960
I would like to know, is during school hours, the door is open, does he have an authority

1241
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,960
to shut her down in time of need?

1242
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,429
At any point.

1243
01:02:25,429 --> 01:02:29,429
During school hours, does he have the authority to say, no, you can't use this property?

1244
01:02:29,429 --> 01:02:31,429
Whether it's part of the building or we just want to have it.

1245
01:02:31,429 --> 01:02:32,429
Okay.

1246
01:02:32,429 --> 01:02:33,429
You can't have it.

1247
01:02:33,429 --> 01:02:35,429
Remember when you had all the seat savers thing down there?

1248
01:02:35,429 --> 01:02:36,429
Yeah.

1249
01:02:36,429 --> 01:02:37,429
What if they just said no?

1250
01:02:37,429 --> 01:02:38,460
Can't have it.

1251
01:02:38,460 --> 01:02:39,460
Can they do it?

1252
01:02:39,460 --> 01:02:40,909
Community garden owners.

1253
01:02:40,909 --> 01:02:41,909
After hours.

1254
01:02:41,909 --> 01:02:42,909
Community garden owners.

1255
01:02:42,909 --> 01:02:43,909
I just want to know the answer.

1256
01:02:43,909 --> 01:02:44,909
I'm not giving an answer because I don't know either.

1257
01:02:44,909 --> 01:02:45,909
Yeah.

1258
01:02:45,909 --> 01:02:46,909
But I think the board, I think the school board should think about this.

1259
01:02:46,909 --> 01:02:47,909
Bang it back and forth.

1260
01:02:47,909 --> 01:02:48,909
Find out what the laws are.

1261
01:02:48,909 --> 01:02:49,909
Find out what you can and can't do.

1262
01:02:49,909 --> 01:03:01,550
And once you do have an answer, go back to the people that asked the question and then

1263
01:03:01,550 --> 01:03:02,550
communicate it to your employer.

1264
01:03:02,550 --> 01:03:08,550
Communicate it to your employees that you set their rates, part of it at least, superintendent

1265
01:03:08,550 --> 01:03:11,550
and the principal, and tell them, this is your rule.

1266
01:03:11,550 --> 01:03:15,739
This is what you can and what you can't do.

1267
01:03:15,739 --> 01:03:17,739
Instead, right now, I think you're right.

1268
01:03:17,739 --> 01:03:18,739
There is no answer.

1269
01:03:18,739 --> 01:03:22,739
You ask the question, is it going to happen again?

1270
01:03:22,739 --> 01:03:28,539
We don't know because we can't read Bill's mind.

1271
01:03:28,539 --> 01:03:32,539
But if the school board said, no, it will not happen again.

1272
01:03:32,539 --> 01:03:38,960
And there's some way, a whole, you know, that sets, then that'd be good.

1273
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,559
You would like that.

1274
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:45,559
And I'm not saying be the other way around where you guys demand everything either.

1275
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:48,559
But a simple communication makes it go a long ways.

1276
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:49,559
And you're right.

1277
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:55,489
This whole scenario was bad.

1278
01:03:55,489 --> 01:03:57,489
We all agree on that.

1279
01:03:57,489 --> 01:04:03,489
I mean, I've had trustees call me and I've had people call me and say, hey, what the

1280
01:04:03,489 --> 01:04:04,489
heck do we do?

1281
01:04:04,489 --> 01:04:05,719
I agree.

1282
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:10,719
This is, we're, Cindy made a statement, we're all in it for the town.

1283
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:11,719
Remember that.

1284
01:04:11,719 --> 01:04:12,719
Remember when you were elected?

1285
01:04:12,719 --> 01:04:15,809
Remember when you swore an oath for the town?

1286
01:04:15,809 --> 01:04:16,809
Do it.

1287
01:04:16,809 --> 01:04:22,909
I guess just for the record, even if the communication had taken and they were as

1288
01:04:22,909 --> 01:04:28,909
polite and nice and I'm not saying, you know, whatever, we've all read the communication.

1289
01:04:28,909 --> 01:04:33,909
And I would still balk at asking us to close for six months.

1290
01:04:33,909 --> 01:04:34,909
Six days.

1291
01:04:34,909 --> 01:04:35,909
I still would.

1292
01:04:35,909 --> 01:04:41,909
So the bottom line actually is, isn't how, how nice or not nice the communication was.

1293
01:04:41,909 --> 01:04:42,909
Not that.

1294
01:04:42,909 --> 01:04:43,909
I mean, certainly that goes a long way.

1295
01:04:43,909 --> 01:04:44,909
Do you think if it was done two months in advance?

1296
01:04:44,909 --> 01:04:45,909
No, I still don't want to close our doors to the public.

1297
01:04:45,909 --> 01:04:46,909
Let me finish.

1298
01:04:46,909 --> 01:04:47,909
What if they asked to change the days in the library and could communicate it to the

1299
01:04:47,909 --> 01:04:48,909
people?

1300
01:04:48,909 --> 01:04:49,909
Right.

1301
01:04:49,909 --> 01:04:50,909
Like there's a lot of ways communication could have helped.

1302
01:04:50,909 --> 01:04:51,909
But if in the end, if the end result was, you're closing for six months.

1303
01:04:51,909 --> 01:04:52,909
Well, that's a good point.

1304
01:04:52,909 --> 01:04:53,909
That's a good point.

1305
01:04:53,909 --> 01:04:54,909
That's a good point.

1306
01:04:54,909 --> 01:04:55,909
That's a good point.

1307
01:04:55,909 --> 01:04:56,909
That's a good point.

1308
01:04:56,909 --> 01:04:57,909
That's a good point.

1309
01:04:57,909 --> 01:04:58,909
That's a good point.

1310
01:04:58,909 --> 01:04:59,909
That's a good point.

1311
01:04:59,909 --> 01:05:06,909
If the end result was, you're closing for six days, I still, there's nothing that would

1312
01:05:06,909 --> 01:05:07,909
soften that point.

1313
01:05:07,909 --> 01:05:08,909
But instead of Tuesday, okay, Wednesday.

1314
01:05:08,909 --> 01:05:14,909
But if the communications certainly, I think, could have been different and maybe, you know,

1315
01:05:14,909 --> 01:05:19,909
that like moving forward, if there are things that are absolutely unavoidable, we never

1316
01:05:19,909 --> 01:05:20,909
know what might come up.

1317
01:05:20,909 --> 01:05:28,909
Then if we're able to switch something around or, but just closing is, is a tough pill to

1318
01:05:28,909 --> 01:05:29,909
swallow.

1319
01:05:29,909 --> 01:05:30,909
Right.

1320
01:05:30,909 --> 01:05:33,909
I mean, it is one of our number one goals is to continuity.

1321
01:05:33,909 --> 01:05:38,909
If you want to come get a book, if you want to come see a person, if you need to get out

1322
01:05:38,909 --> 01:05:43,909
of your house and have a friendly community member to guide you, we want you to know that

1323
01:05:43,909 --> 01:05:46,909
if it's Tuesday or Thursday, you're going to see us here.

1324
01:05:46,909 --> 01:05:47,909
Yeah.

1325
01:05:47,909 --> 01:05:50,909
You know, all of us cover that desk in an, in an effort to make that happen.

1326
01:05:50,909 --> 01:05:57,909
We're all, you know, I've been in there a lot of Saturdays, so we all, that is a real

1327
01:05:57,909 --> 01:05:58,909
non-negotiable for us.

1328
01:05:58,909 --> 01:05:59,909
Yeah.

1329
01:05:59,909 --> 01:06:04,909
But as a board, we want to maintain consistency and we volunteer there in order to make that

1330
01:06:04,909 --> 01:06:05,909
happen.

1331
01:06:05,909 --> 01:06:16,260
And also the, um, makes your, your job harder to follow the law as it is written if you

1332
01:06:16,260 --> 01:06:17,260
have to close.

1333
01:06:17,260 --> 01:06:24,420
Because the whole, like as I was reading everything, your main goal is to keep a community going,

1334
01:06:24,420 --> 01:06:29,420
have hours for the older people, the younger people, and the people in between.

1335
01:06:29,420 --> 01:06:34,420
So if the only time that somebody could get there is at noon and then that's what they

1336
01:06:34,420 --> 01:06:40,420
expect, then there is that point where that is kind of breaking the law as it is written,

1337
01:06:40,420 --> 01:06:45,610
as I, as I see it, which makes your lives a lot, you know, kind of a hectic, kind of

1338
01:06:45,610 --> 01:06:50,800
try to do this and make it sure it's all right.

1339
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,800
So, you know, it's like, I think it is.

1340
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:54,800
What law?

1341
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:55,800
What law?

1342
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:56,800
The law for the, the laws for the library.

1343
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:57,800
Yeah.

1344
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:58,800
Municipal library.

1345
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:05,800
It says that it has to be open for people, for the old people, for the young people,

1346
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,800
and that is their main job is to make sure that the library is open.

1347
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,800
And a certain amount of hours a week.

1348
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:12,800
Exactly.

1349
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:13,800
I recall 14 hours or something.

1350
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:14,800
Yeah.

1351
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:15,800
And the times, the certain times.

1352
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:16,800
Yeah.

1353
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:17,800
Yeah.

1354
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:18,800
So, so how do we get there as described, right?

1355
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:19,800
So right now it seems like we're leaving it status quo and we're just going to hope for

1356
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:20,800
the best next time that it all works out.

1357
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:21,800
Yeah.

1358
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:22,800
Yeah.

1359
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:23,800
Yeah.

1360
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:24,800
Yeah.

1361
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:25,800
Yeah.

1362
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:26,800
Yeah.

1363
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:27,800
Yeah.

1364
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,280
Yeah.

1365
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,280
I mean, you know, it sounds like, it sounds like there's conflicts with laws.

1366
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:31,280
So, you have conflicts saying that the school board or the school has authority over the

1367
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:32,280
building and everything.

1368
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:33,280
And then you've got a library law that says they have to be open for a certain times.

1369
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,280
And you had state testing laws that say they had to be testing, I don't know the ins and

1370
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:36,280
outs and I might go backwards, but.

1371
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:37,280
So, there, all these laws are conflicting.

1372
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:38,280
I think lawyers, but none of us set the table are lawyers as far as I know.

1373
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:39,280
Right.

1374
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:40,280
But that's where the definition is, is that if there's a law that says that you can't

1375
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:41,280
do that, then you have to be open.

1376
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,280
Yeah.

1377
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:43,280
Yeah.

1378
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:44,280
Yeah.

1379
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:45,280
Yeah.

1380
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:46,280
Yeah.

1381
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:47,280
Yeah.

1382
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,280
Yeah.

1383
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:49,280
Yeah.

1384
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:50,280
Yeah.

1385
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:51,280
Yeah.

1386
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,280
Yeah.

1387
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:07,079
of the property needs to be defined and it never has since day one of these discussions

1388
01:08:07,079 --> 01:08:22,079
that that the definition of who is in charge just is the school the sole dictator where

1389
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:37,020
authority i guess you call of all the property the safe are they in charge of it school dictate

1390
01:08:37,020 --> 01:08:46,109
that that safe will be open to them is it does that make sense no it doesn't so then we have to

1391
01:08:46,109 --> 01:08:54,649
define it say no this is the town hall and the town hall has authority here that is the library

1392
01:08:54,649 --> 01:09:01,369
and during the hour set they have authority there knows our set by state law that's where

1393
01:09:01,369 --> 01:09:07,930
we have to define it and then after hours it becomes the town of stafford's property

1394
01:09:10,539 --> 01:09:15,340
that's what we need to define i'm not saying that's the answer the correct answer i'm saying

1395
01:09:15,340 --> 01:09:22,989
it's it's an idea i would throw it back at them i hate to do this but this is an issue

1396
01:09:22,989 --> 01:09:28,670
that the school board needs to design more than the slot board does and throw it back

1397
01:09:28,670 --> 01:09:33,310
to the school board and ask these questions that i've been telling you go back to the

1398
01:09:34,109 --> 01:09:40,270
your board and define what the definition of it is what the authority of these people

1399
01:09:40,350 --> 01:09:48,510
that are under your authority you guys just told me that the superintendent is hired by you he's

1400
01:09:48,510 --> 01:09:56,109
under your authority makes rules for him set rules for him tell him you can't just go to the

1401
01:09:56,109 --> 01:10:01,069
librarian and tell her she has to close that's ridiculous that's like telling laurie she has to

1402
01:10:01,069 --> 01:10:08,350
close it's not right so i have a key to this place i have a key to a code and a key to him if i want

1403
01:10:08,350 --> 01:10:09,789
to come in here at night

1404
01:10:10,489 --> 01:10:17,800
and just sit here do nothing just read some paperwork i can do it are you telling me that

1405
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,960
the superintendent can tell me no my you can't come in here then what the hell did you give me

1406
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:29,399
the key for why right this this is what i'm saying this all these two offices are not the schools we

1407
01:10:29,399 --> 01:10:35,479
have to define that that's and i'm not that's not fact it's in my opinion i can't prove that

1408
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:40,840
right now but i can't go to the deeds and argue it in a court of law and then let the

1409
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:49,850
jury decide but i think as soon as we do make these things it will solve a lot of problems

1410
01:10:50,489 --> 01:10:55,770
because we're all sitting here is you know what if what if what if and if there's never an answer

1411
01:10:55,770 --> 01:11:01,210
to any of these what ifs let me just keep kicking it down the road bill goes away the next guy comes

1412
01:11:01,210 --> 01:11:06,890
and his whole or her whole idea is totally different i think so that if we need to have

1413
01:11:06,890 --> 01:11:12,649
some concrete answers yep how many principles have we had uh since uh mr easier has passed

1414
01:11:13,819 --> 01:11:24,829
a lot maybe more yeah quite a bit right so there's like people just keep going through

1415
01:11:24,829 --> 01:11:29,949
you know what's what like you say you got this guy's personality that person's personality

1416
01:11:29,949 --> 01:11:34,109
there's one of the things that can do this and that you're right you need to have at least

1417
01:11:34,109 --> 01:11:40,029
defined definitions i don't like the idea of writing things down where you say well we're

1418
01:11:40,029 --> 01:11:44,670
going to vote a lot and you're going to pay half of them because that can change any time that

1419
01:11:45,229 --> 01:11:53,869
is you know it grows as it goes we we sat down with bill oh boy over a year ago we talked about

1420
01:11:54,590 --> 01:12:00,939
before you were back on the board we sat down and we said what can we do to budget wise where

1421
01:12:00,939 --> 01:12:06,970
this town can take over some of the budget because my understanding and i have never looked this up

1422
01:12:06,970 --> 01:12:13,770
someone just told me that your dollar for dollar the tax money going through this to through the

1423
01:12:13,770 --> 01:12:15,210
pound side is better

1424
01:12:15,529 --> 01:12:20,729
than the dollar for dollar cheaper yeah somebody had to tell you that yeah wow yeah okay because

1425
01:12:20,729 --> 01:12:27,449
i i mean i gotta learn somewhere right yeah so they say it's cheaper okay when you go to the

1426
01:12:27,449 --> 01:12:33,869
school board and you ask questions and the guy rules his eyes at you like you're bothering them

1427
01:12:33,869 --> 01:12:42,270
it's hard to learn so that's where i ask questions so i can learn okay but they tell us so bill said

1428
01:12:42,270 --> 01:12:45,069
yeah i'll sit down and i'll look at all these things

1429
01:12:45,710 --> 01:12:53,439
a couple months later he came back said i couldn't find anything anything at all what happened one

1430
01:12:53,439 --> 01:13:04,000
minute it was a great idea and now i can't find anything concerns me we needed we need to go back

1431
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:10,350
to your board that's a whole other discussion sure it is but there's a lot of times when

1432
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:19,359
this like like the heating oil that's a legitimate thing for the school to not share

1433
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:29,359
but to put into our budget you have to the bus contract that's legitimate for us to have and not

1434
01:13:29,359 --> 01:13:35,680
share because there's grant money involved that comes back i understand so there's there's

1435
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:43,760
different ways money has to be expended in order for it to go into our average queria membership

1436
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:49,359
our adm count for how many butts are in the seats i understand that i i fully understand that word of

1437
01:13:49,359 --> 01:14:00,979
What I don't understand is why paying for the guy mowing the lawn on our side is cheaper than the guy mowing the lawn on your side.

1438
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:05,739
I don't understand that, why our tax dollar gets changed.

1439
01:14:06,260 --> 01:14:11,380
I do have an idea, but I've never been shown mathematically how it goes.

1440
01:14:11,739 --> 01:14:16,520
And every year, the school board changes their mathematical equation.

1441
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:17,699
The board doesn't do it.

1442
01:14:18,119 --> 01:14:19,079
That's the statement.

1443
01:14:19,579 --> 01:14:24,119
Okay, I'm sorry, I said the school board.

1444
01:14:24,619 --> 01:14:27,720
Is the mathematical equation changed every year?

1445
01:14:27,779 --> 01:14:27,979
Yes.

1446
01:14:29,359 --> 01:14:33,840
Someone needs to tell me, Cindy, because every year it gets changed, I need to learn.

1447
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:39,479
Michael, half the time it's not even changed and taken into as a law.

1448
01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:42,279
Our budgets are going to print.

1449
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:43,380
I understand.

1450
01:14:43,380 --> 01:14:49,399
A lot of it's conjecture as to how much it's going to cost the taxpayer.

1451
01:14:49,579 --> 01:15:04,960
I get that, and we sit there and vote a two point something million dollar budget in, and no one even understands what's going on.

1452
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:13,960
And you're right, this is a different discussion, and maybe you can sit down with me as a kindergartner and teach me how I can go through this.

1453
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,960
Because it changes all of our life issues.

1454
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:18,960
I can't read.

1455
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,960
Well, we're not going to solve that problem tonight, Michael.

1456
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:23,960
What, my reading ability?

1457
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:25,960
No, your math and reading.

1458
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:26,960
Well, your math and reading.

1459
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:27,960
Yeah.

1460
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:28,960
Maybe.

1461
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:39,939
I think that if I asked the same question, there wouldn't be a problem.

1462
01:15:39,939 --> 01:15:44,609
Because I'm a nice guy, and I know how to write an email.

1463
01:15:44,609 --> 01:15:47,899
And I would be very polite.

1464
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:53,750
Are you saying the other guy was not a nice guy?

1465
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:55,750
Oh, I'm not saying he's not a nice guy.

1466
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:59,750
I'm saying I know how to write an email, and I know how to be, you know.

1467
01:15:59,750 --> 01:16:00,750
Tactful.

1468
01:16:00,750 --> 01:16:01,750
Tactful.

1469
01:16:01,750 --> 01:16:09,199
But I think for us, too, as a town kind of situation, having somebody from the town talk to the town.

1470
01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:10,199
It feels better.

1471
01:16:10,199 --> 01:16:12,199
It feels like we're just all working together.

1472
01:16:12,199 --> 01:16:13,199
Yeah.

1473
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:14,199
It sure does.

1474
01:16:14,199 --> 01:16:18,199
And so then it kind of like, I think it's like that record scratch kind of situation.

1475
01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:19,199
It just kind of stops everything.

1476
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:21,199
But I'm going to go back to this.

1477
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:25,199
Julie or Bill, they're authorized to make these fast.

1478
01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:27,199
I understand that.

1479
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:31,199
But I think I just, I'm not, I'm just talking with what Brian said.

1480
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:34,199
And they are able to do these things.

1481
01:16:34,199 --> 01:16:40,199
But sometimes just because we're able to do something doesn't mean it should be done that way.

1482
01:16:40,199 --> 01:16:43,930
Just like a law sometimes doesn't make sense.

1483
01:16:43,930 --> 01:16:45,930
The whole reason we're here tonight is the approach.

1484
01:16:45,930 --> 01:16:50,930
It's not the, I mean, it was just the approach and the fact that he was dictating things to the library.

1485
01:16:50,930 --> 01:16:54,930
Well, I mean, it was the approach and also that, you know,

1486
01:16:54,930 --> 01:17:02,930
that the school was asking for something that we felt was not in the service of the community of library users.

1487
01:17:02,930 --> 01:17:03,930
And there is a tension there.

1488
01:17:03,930 --> 01:17:06,930
And like, what are we going to do when there's a tension there?

1489
01:17:06,930 --> 01:17:11,930
And I think there's a legitimate need for the students for the space.

1490
01:17:11,930 --> 01:17:13,930
And maybe it should have been managed differently.

1491
01:17:13,930 --> 01:17:16,930
But if there was a legitimate need for the students for the space.

1492
01:17:16,930 --> 01:17:17,930
Was there?

1493
01:17:17,930 --> 01:17:18,930
Do you know if there was?

1494
01:17:18,930 --> 01:17:19,930
I don't, I'm not saying I don't.

1495
01:17:19,930 --> 01:17:20,930
Yes, there was.

1496
01:17:20,930 --> 01:17:23,930
Because I know what Julie had to do to get other accommodations.

1497
01:17:23,930 --> 01:17:26,930
They needed a space at those hours.

1498
01:17:26,930 --> 01:17:29,930
They had 80 other, 81 other hours.

1499
01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:32,930
Mike, I don't want to argue it with you because I didn't oversee it.

1500
01:17:32,930 --> 01:17:34,930
That's my point.

1501
01:17:34,930 --> 01:17:36,930
There's all gymnasium there.

1502
01:17:36,930 --> 01:17:38,930
I just know rules and regulations.

1503
01:17:38,930 --> 01:17:39,930
That's my point.

1504
01:17:39,930 --> 01:17:40,930
I think one of the challenges.

1505
01:17:40,930 --> 01:17:42,930
No, you, the board didn't oversee it.

1506
01:17:42,930 --> 01:17:43,930
And that's my point.

1507
01:17:43,930 --> 01:17:45,930
You don't know if they really needed that.

1508
01:17:45,930 --> 01:17:46,930
I do know that they needed it.

1509
01:17:46,930 --> 01:17:48,930
They're in those hours.

1510
01:17:48,930 --> 01:17:50,930
There was 80 something other hours they could have done it.

1511
01:17:50,930 --> 01:17:53,930
My understanding is nobody tested.

1512
01:17:53,930 --> 01:17:55,930
Nobody tested in the afternoon.

1513
01:17:55,930 --> 01:17:56,930
Very rare.

1514
01:17:56,930 --> 01:17:58,930
But yeah, they took those hours.

1515
01:17:58,930 --> 01:18:04,930
So regardless, I think that some of what I struggle with is that the best way of dealing

1516
01:18:04,930 --> 01:18:09,930
with that particular situation would have been a negotiation between the parties that

1517
01:18:09,930 --> 01:18:10,930
were involved.

1518
01:18:10,930 --> 01:18:12,930
And it was not presented as a negotiation.

1519
01:18:12,930 --> 01:18:17,930
And it was presented to us as three months in advance, like, hey, we're looking at our

1520
01:18:17,930 --> 01:18:18,930
testing times.

1521
01:18:18,930 --> 01:18:20,930
We need accommodations in the library.

1522
01:18:20,930 --> 01:18:23,930
You know, let's sit down and talk and figure out what hours would work for us.

1523
01:18:23,930 --> 01:18:25,930
And what hours would work for you.

1524
01:18:25,930 --> 01:18:27,930
You know, we could have worked something out.

1525
01:18:27,930 --> 01:18:31,930
But that the key there is that it would need it to be a negotiation and not a demand.

1526
01:18:31,930 --> 01:18:35,930
Because we, like, we represent a genuine need in the community.

1527
01:18:35,930 --> 01:18:37,930
And the taxpayers who elected us.

1528
01:18:37,930 --> 01:18:41,930
And, you know, there are multiple different needs in the community.

1529
01:18:41,930 --> 01:18:42,930
And we need to be able to hash that out.

1530
01:18:42,930 --> 01:18:46,930
Has there been any other conflict from the library and the school other than this one

1531
01:18:46,930 --> 01:18:47,930
incident?

1532
01:18:47,930 --> 01:18:50,930
Let me just make an example.

1533
01:18:50,930 --> 01:18:52,930
Say a lock that you didn't have a key.

1534
01:18:52,930 --> 01:18:53,930
The use of the bathroom.

1535
01:18:53,930 --> 01:18:54,930
Oh, yeah, the bathroom.

1536
01:18:54,930 --> 01:18:55,930
Oh, that really happened.

1537
01:18:55,930 --> 01:18:56,930
Oh, okay.

1538
01:18:56,930 --> 01:18:57,930
I'm just wondering if there was any other.

1539
01:18:57,930 --> 01:18:58,930
And I guess, so.

1540
01:18:58,930 --> 01:18:59,930
Want to get home in time for cold air tonight.

1541
01:18:59,930 --> 01:19:00,930
I think we're just hashing all this out.

1542
01:19:00,930 --> 01:19:08,439
You know, the other piece, though, is just the closing.

1543
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:14,439
We felt strongly as a group when we had our initial conversation.

1544
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:15,439
We called a special meeting.

1545
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,439
We warned it and had the discussion.

1546
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:22,439
And so if, say, we had just been like, okay, I guess you guys need it.

1547
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:23,439
We're going to close.

1548
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:24,439
And didn't push back at all.

1549
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:25,439
Then is that an opening toward future?

1550
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:26,439
You know, at least here, we've taken a stance and said, we represent the town residents

1551
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:27,439
and we've been tasked with this.

1552
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:28,439
We have these.

1553
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:29,439
We've had these set hours for years.

1554
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:30,439
It's only six hours of overlap.

1555
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:31,439
We feel like we can work together and be collaborative.

1556
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,439
So we also felt strongly that if we just said, okay, we're closed for those six days.

1557
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:35,439
Like, what does that?

1558
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:36,439
What message does that send?

1559
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:37,439
Like, I don't know.

1560
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:38,439
I don't know.

1561
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:39,439
I don't know.

1562
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:40,439
I don't know.

1563
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:41,439
I don't know.

1564
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:42,439
I don't know.

1565
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:43,439
I don't know.

1566
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:44,439
I don't know.

1567
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:45,439
I don't know.

1568
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:46,890
I don't know.

1569
01:19:46,890 --> 01:19:47,890
I don't know.

1570
01:19:47,890 --> 01:19:48,890
I don't know.

1571
01:19:48,890 --> 01:19:49,890
I don't know.

1572
01:19:49,890 --> 01:19:50,890
I don't know.

1573
01:19:50,890 --> 01:19:51,890
I don't know.

1574
01:19:51,890 --> 01:19:52,890
You just capitulated.

1575
01:19:52,890 --> 01:19:53,890
Then you take a step farther, right?

1576
01:19:53,890 --> 01:19:54,890
The next move is farther and farther down the line, and you keep pushing the envelope

1577
01:19:54,890 --> 01:19:55,890
till you get what you want.

1578
01:19:55,890 --> 01:19:58,890
I don't think it's that nefarious.

1579
01:19:58,890 --> 01:20:02,079
No, it's not.

1580
01:20:02,079 --> 01:20:09,000
But it leads to that because nobody knows.

1581
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,000
It's the not knowing.

1582
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:11,000
I'm not saying—

1583
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,000
I'm not just saying.

1584
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,000
You should clarify this.

1585
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,000
Is there anything new that we can approach here?

1586
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,000
Is there anything else that we can discuss?

1587
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:16,000
Are we good?

1588
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,020
You told me there was other things.

1589
01:20:18,020 --> 01:20:19,659
I think we need to change that.

1590
01:20:19,659 --> 01:20:20,039
I think we need to change that.

1591
01:20:20,140 --> 01:20:26,060
discussions for another I just know I'm just saying we're going backwards here I

1592
01:20:26,060 --> 01:20:30,220
think was there anything with a janitor I know we talked about that before how

1593
01:20:30,220 --> 01:20:38,470
so well we used to have a janitor here that did a lot more than janitor now you

1594
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:44,649
have some that comes in and just cleans and where's that going I mean so right

1595
01:20:44,649 --> 01:20:49,090
now it's it's cleaning service and they said so the end of the and to the end of

1596
01:20:49,090 --> 01:20:58,390
the school year after July 1 it's very likely that will be working here okay

1597
01:20:58,390 --> 01:21:03,369
and also the I think it was the snow blowing around the school was that

1598
01:21:03,369 --> 01:21:08,770
gonna be in his duties because I would hope so but I'll make sure that there's

1599
01:21:08,770 --> 01:21:14,609
some kind of did we talk to the school about this because Dave was no Julie was

1600
01:21:14,609 --> 01:21:20,000
here with Dave we didn't have a meeting that night either because we didn't have

1601
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:20,039
a

1602
01:21:20,039 --> 01:21:20,100
meeting that night either because we didn't have a

1603
01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:20,119
meeting that night either because we didn't have a

1604
01:21:20,119 --> 01:21:25,279
quorum but Julie was here and said and Dave said I know you don't have a

1605
01:21:25,279 --> 01:21:32,840
janitor anymore I like to clean the schoolyard first thing but then the

1606
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:37,239
janitor that was here would snow blow everything back out in what Dave plowed

1607
01:21:37,239 --> 01:21:44,840
and Dave said so Dave was coming back down and cleaning up afterwards when you

1608
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:49,500
lost the janitor for a few weeks but he said I'm not doing around the school

1609
01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:51,689
building

1610
01:21:51,689 --> 01:21:58,569
maybe define what the janitor was going to do and come in early because if dave is following here

1611
01:21:58,569 --> 01:22:05,859
early then he's doing the bus route and he can't come back down here to clean what the janitor snow

1612
01:22:05,859 --> 01:22:12,659
blew back out in the driveway or the parking lot i have one question and i won't say anymore all right

1613
01:22:16,100 --> 01:22:21,239
well i don't actually about the snow removal but i just have two things see we're all here

1614
01:22:21,239 --> 01:22:26,920
together back in the winter when it was going to be like a cold snap and a lot of the places

1615
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:33,079
downtown were opening warming centers bob briggs approached the library to utilize the space

1616
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:40,199
which we approved for it was a saturday morning the hours that were open we were very preliminary

1617
01:22:40,199 --> 01:22:45,880
talks about him and the emergency management team using the space if something like that comes up

1618
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:51,159
again should he approach the school board regarding that i think that's

1619
01:22:51,239 --> 01:22:57,159
that was one of his things he was going to go to the school board or do we have authority to

1620
01:22:57,159 --> 01:23:03,560
tell him they could use the library during non-school hours like on a sunday or would

1621
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:09,479
that have to go through the school board i would like you to check that so that's one thing and

1622
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:15,319
also another thing there's so many people that work here and sometimes if you come to the library

1623
01:23:15,319 --> 01:23:21,560
you can't get a parking space yeah is there any way we can get like where the handicap thing is

1624
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:29,079
which probably isn't used that often like two signs that say on a thursday no parking here

1625
01:23:29,079 --> 01:23:34,920
between the hours of 12 and 3 so like the teachers or the aides or whoever these are for library

1626
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:39,640
patrons for library patrons only i mean i didn't know if that's something that has to go through

1627
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:46,279
official means but just because sometimes it's very hard people love to park and you know walk

1628
01:23:46,279 --> 01:23:51,800
quite far i know out front is always

1629
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:59,350
open to the public out front leo parked there janet parked here and any public they had room

1630
01:23:59,350 --> 01:24:03,829
to park out front but now it's pretty hard especially when the buses are coming for

1631
01:24:03,829 --> 01:24:11,539
pick up and drop off that's we've had uh teachers ask people in here move your car because the bus

1632
01:24:11,539 --> 01:24:20,220
is coming maybe more now i don't and i was one that was asked and didn't get out in time

1633
01:24:24,819 --> 01:24:25,060
yes

1634
01:24:31,989 --> 01:24:39,109
school time yeah sometimes it's hard to see you know would that be something looking at the future

1635
01:24:39,109 --> 01:24:45,939
a larger parking area i don't know where they could park and to the snow removal thing on

1636
01:24:45,939 --> 01:24:52,600
saturdays like when the library is open sometimes it's not like cleaned out in front of there so

1637
01:24:53,319 --> 01:25:01,850
right because it's saturday right so whose responsibility is that so that's more

1638
01:25:02,789 --> 01:25:06,069
but that's all i have yeah if dave's not following he wouldn't be out and

1639
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:12,470
wouldn't be down here looking at that right but if it's just a couple inches i think dave does still

1640
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:19,750
plow i think he plows but like there's been like on the sidewalk considerable stuff yeah so i mean

1641
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:26,069
i noticed that like coming into the town office on either a school vacation or a snow day i'm still

1642
01:25:26,069 --> 01:25:33,590
open i still need to have a clear walkway and area and didn't leave the parking lot open but it's the

1643
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:35,430
walkways that are on that option

1644
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:48,859
i think it's just maybe the janitor doesn't realize or snow day means his day off too

1645
01:25:51,739 --> 01:25:58,279
what's that does it in general does it mean i mean a snow day wouldn't necessarily pertain

1646
01:25:58,279 --> 01:26:03,399
to a janitor right i mean it doesn't pertain to office staff and whatnot they all have union

1647
01:26:03,399 --> 01:26:10,359
contracts now yeah yeah they all have union contracts so so if they get snow day if there's

1648
01:26:10,359 --> 01:26:11,800
a snow they get snow days

1649
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:17,670
they get a snow day the janitor seems like a good day to shovel you're ready for the next day

1650
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:27,750
so it very well could be in most school districts they the office and support staff and janitorial

1651
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:33,529
staff are still there on snow days so i don't know it could be different obviously it's different

1652
01:26:33,529 --> 01:26:38,729
from place to place but i don't know if the guys are there at my school because i'm not there so

1653
01:26:38,729 --> 01:26:39,229
yeah

1654
01:26:42,649 --> 01:26:49,189
are there our janitors are definitely in the school they're not union no they're not union

1655
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:55,189
the janitors are not no the office staff is also not i can't yeah we are the teachers are teachers

1656
01:26:55,189 --> 01:27:03,899
are but yeah the staff no all right so that's the question you said you weren't going to talk

1657
01:27:03,899 --> 01:27:08,140
about yeah you said you were done you said you were done and i didn't answer the question i

1658
01:27:08,140 --> 01:27:13,979
interrupted you i yes i think so yeah yes sir when we want to communicate

1659
01:27:14,699 --> 01:27:34,439
and we have any issue whether it's this

1660
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:37,020
we ask and who do we go database

1661
01:27:37,319 --> 01:27:43,239
who y'all have my email you're you that's what you want it would be okay so you want us to call or communicate when the email

1662
01:27:43,239 --> 01:27:43,479
to the chair of the school board if they're not there and i'm like when our staff is not there we have to be the chair or where at school staff find out who they're at and what's going on and tell me about that that you want to come and talk about this i have to be that how am i ll lift it up a little i've already got it that's all of that i have a little bit of information to me but yeah it i don't know the details i kind of except an email i know you have what you're interested in this minute

1663
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:44,760
y'all have my email y'all have my email you're you that's what you want however would your case okay so you want us to call or communicate with an email to the chair of the school board

1664
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:51,920
board if we have an issue. So we're going to leave everything as is.

1665
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:57,000
Hopefully it'll be rosy and we can buy out Kurt.

1666
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,800
I predict we'll probably be back at some point. It could be six or seven years from now.

1667
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:10,199
I won't be here. You'll be here Kurt and you'll be like, I told you so.

1668
01:28:10,199 --> 01:28:22,739
But at least as things are now that there's a whole room full of people on different boards

1669
01:28:22,739 --> 01:28:28,020
who are aware of the dynamics of the situation and are very likely to not

1670
01:28:28,020 --> 01:28:34,020
just ignore it going forward. That it'll be dealt with in a much more efficient way.

1671
01:28:34,020 --> 01:28:40,020
We need to communicate. Cindy, can I ask a question about

1672
01:28:40,020 --> 01:28:40,180
what we're going to do in the future? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

1673
01:28:40,180 --> 01:28:46,840
Because you actually said you were done.

1674
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,479
Yeah I wrote it down. Mike's done.

1675
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,380
We can play a menu.

1676
01:28:52,380 --> 01:28:55,979
Now with Reedsboro closing, do you as a School Board

1677
01:28:55,979 --> 01:29:03,399
anticipate students will be coming here and I mean this. What 30 rules are 39 40

1678
01:29:03,399 --> 01:29:07,000
kids up there you think they'd all be coming.

1679
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:10,899
I mean I do speak with the chair, in Reedsboro, who is another Cindy

1680
01:29:10,899 --> 01:29:15,670
they are desperate to know themselves

1681
01:29:15,670 --> 01:29:17,409
because families are

1682
01:29:17,409 --> 01:29:20,500
they're taking their time

1683
01:29:20,500 --> 01:29:22,340
but it's something to take your time over

1684
01:29:22,340 --> 01:29:23,640
because they have choices

1685
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,140
and they want the best for the children

1686
01:29:26,140 --> 01:29:27,199
so

1687
01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:30,520
currently we have

1688
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:31,579
I believe four

1689
01:29:31,579 --> 01:29:33,359
students

1690
01:29:33,359 --> 01:29:35,899
signed up for Stanford

1691
01:29:35,899 --> 01:29:38,479
and one as a

1692
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:38,760
maybe

1693
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:42,659
we do know that that will change

1694
01:29:42,659 --> 01:29:44,619
there's a letter that's going out

1695
01:29:44,619 --> 01:29:47,460
from the superintendent and principal

1696
01:29:47,460 --> 01:29:49,260
stating that

1697
01:29:49,260 --> 01:29:51,600
we would like to know by May 15th

1698
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:52,460
if at all possible

1699
01:29:52,460 --> 01:29:54,180
that's going to be our first

1700
01:29:54,180 --> 01:29:55,939
deadline

1701
01:29:55,939 --> 01:29:58,119
before summer

1702
01:29:58,119 --> 01:30:00,000
because we really need to know

1703
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,300
and the Reedsboro chair needs to know

1704
01:30:02,300 --> 01:30:05,159
because of busing and transportation

1705
01:30:05,159 --> 01:30:07,100
so they know that they have

1706
01:30:07,100 --> 01:30:08,640
two going to Clarksburg

1707
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:09,699
one going to Florida

1708
01:30:09,699 --> 01:30:12,079
and at least the four

1709
01:30:12,079 --> 01:30:12,460
are coming

1710
01:30:12,460 --> 01:30:14,479
do they have to bus to all these schools?

1711
01:30:14,819 --> 01:30:14,939
no

1712
01:30:14,939 --> 01:30:19,130
and that's what they need to

1713
01:30:19,130 --> 01:30:20,369
would they designate?

1714
01:30:22,189 --> 01:30:23,250
no but

1715
01:30:23,250 --> 01:30:26,489
if it's something that those

1716
01:30:26,489 --> 01:30:28,630
I don't want to speak for them

1717
01:30:28,630 --> 01:30:30,550
I'm surprised they're allowed to go out of state

1718
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:31,670
pardon?

1719
01:30:32,029 --> 01:30:33,770
I'm surprised that they're allowed to go out of state

1720
01:30:33,770 --> 01:30:35,430
because they're already

1721
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:38,770
a pre-k 6 school choice

1722
01:30:38,770 --> 01:30:39,770
and

1723
01:30:39,789 --> 01:30:43,329
and the school choice really pertains to 7-8 in high school

1724
01:30:43,329 --> 01:30:45,090
until they

1725
01:30:45,090 --> 01:30:48,369
until they merge or make other plans

1726
01:30:48,369 --> 01:30:51,489
they're still under a school choice

1727
01:30:51,489 --> 01:30:54,090
can I ask you about the funding mechanism?

1728
01:30:54,090 --> 01:30:56,140
so

1729
01:30:56,140 --> 01:31:00,079
I'm thinking about special education costs

1730
01:31:00,079 --> 01:31:01,899
it still comes out of Reedsboro

1731
01:31:01,899 --> 01:31:05,079
that's why I wondered whether it was the sending district or the

1732
01:31:05,079 --> 01:31:10,000
so a regular education tuition will be paid per student to Stanford?

1733
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:16,539
Stanford and any additional fees or costs that fall into an IEP right right

1734
01:31:16,539 --> 01:31:21,279
special education plan will then be built back to district yeah and there

1735
01:31:21,279 --> 01:31:26,020
are multiple different schools in the supervisory union that don't have a

1736
01:31:26,020 --> 01:31:29,260
school at all and so right we need tuition but they still get a charge from

1737
01:31:29,260 --> 01:31:34,600
the supervisory union I think they have two that are planning to go to Twin

1738
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:38,399
Valley did I see somewhere that there was some kind of agreement with

1739
01:31:38,399 --> 01:31:43,619
Clarksburg that was in the works that was just on I Berkshires and I think

1740
01:31:43,619 --> 01:31:49,859
it's only to say that they'll take so taking some of them and whether that be

1741
01:31:49,859 --> 01:31:55,850
by first come first serve or a lottery that's what will get decided thanks

1742
01:31:55,850 --> 01:32:00,710
that's right yeah back to busing so would the town have to vote we're gonna

1743
01:32:00,710 --> 01:32:06,350
bust to Twin Valley only we're gonna pay for busing there and we're gonna pay

1744
01:32:06,350 --> 01:32:07,970
only busing to Stanford

1745
01:32:07,970 --> 01:32:08,689
we're gonna pay for busing there and we're gonna pay only busing to Stanford

1746
01:32:08,689 --> 01:32:08,729
we're gonna pay for busing there and we're gonna pay only busing to Stanford

1747
01:32:08,729 --> 01:32:13,189
would that be something the town has to vote on no I don't think the town has to

1748
01:32:13,189 --> 01:32:17,229
vote on them I think it'll be dictated by the majority of the students

1749
01:32:17,229 --> 01:32:29,760
I want what that's cool yeah well that's income it is I didn't know I mean cuz

1750
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:35,949
they want to promote our school yeah school choice funds are always good I

1751
01:32:35,949 --> 01:32:39,210
didn't know how the special education funding went because if you're getting a

1752
01:32:39,210 --> 01:32:41,010
flat amount and I know that it's going to be a lot of money for the school

1753
01:32:41,010 --> 01:32:41,369
I want what that's cool yeah well that's income it is I didn't know how the special education funding went because if you're getting a

1754
01:32:41,369 --> 01:32:47,949
Massachusetts they have a specific date October where as of that day whether

1755
01:32:47,949 --> 01:32:52,689
you're enrolled there you know your money stays if you leave later but it's

1756
01:32:52,689 --> 01:32:57,409
pretty much the same as a in Vermont but I don't know that it's October and I

1757
01:32:57,409 --> 01:33:02,630
think they moved it earlier which was really crazy I know I don't it was an

1758
01:33:02,630 --> 01:33:07,810
Adams issue you know they have different scenarios and Adams and it was an issue

1759
01:33:07,810 --> 01:33:10,050
where I had read

1760
01:33:10,050 --> 01:33:10,949
I know I don't it was an Adams issue you know they have different scenarios and Adams and it was an issue where I had read through a

1761
01:33:10,949 --> 01:33:18,189
through their budget at one point and they had some financial issue because

1762
01:33:18,189 --> 01:33:22,449
some of the students that they budgeted for then came back so they had paid the

1763
01:33:22,449 --> 01:33:26,590
tuition to the other school and then they were educating the students and

1764
01:33:26,590 --> 01:33:30,130
obviously and you might hear a complaint from a parent or two but we

1765
01:33:30,130 --> 01:33:36,010
periodically send out oh I filled it out okay of course you did of course you did

1766
01:33:36,010 --> 01:33:40,529
a residency I have filled out make sure that I mean sometimes

1767
01:33:41,170 --> 01:33:45,729
stuff happens in life and so we want to make sure that the child and if you have

1768
01:33:45,729 --> 01:33:51,050
a child going to another district you have to fill out a fairly extensive form

1769
01:33:51,050 --> 01:33:58,060
as well and a part of that is proving your residency yeah yeah so our nose is

1770
01:33:58,060 --> 01:34:08,010
in everything so we're going to stay as is I like meeting in this format that

1771
01:34:08,010 --> 01:34:12,569
we're close we're not even in the classroom you've seen we just seem to

1772
01:34:12,569 --> 01:34:17,250
far apart and then somebody's got a side conversation here we can hear

1773
01:34:17,250 --> 01:34:23,670
everybody and see everybody I like the process of this so thank you all for

1774
01:34:23,670 --> 01:34:28,729
coming is there any other questions like I think I think that we should do this

1775
01:34:28,729 --> 01:34:37,569
more often yes the three boards yeah not even quarterly twice a year anyway

1776
01:34:37,569 --> 01:34:40,569
pardon

1777
01:34:40,569 --> 01:34:41,569
you never know what time it is

1778
01:34:42,569 --> 01:34:52,149
this is a town property we can drink beer here no food and drink in the vault

1779
01:34:52,149 --> 01:35:03,130
ice cream over the cart oh my god can I make a motion to adjourn yes all right