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Sessions are to be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others.

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Select board members present are.

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Mike Giroux.

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Nancy Bishica.

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Jack Gremlin.

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John Dunn.

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Bert Amari.

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Will there be any adding of items or removing of items from tonight's agenda?

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Do you have correspondence?

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I don't think I have really anything new.

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We may possibly.

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Possible executive session for.

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Let's see how things go.

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Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, such as changing the order of the items?

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And, yes, the forest services here, they will be on first.

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And we also have Justin from Allstate Paving.

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And I'd like to switch Justin first, and then Martina Barnes will speak afterwards.

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I'd also like to enforce our.

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Okay, we have been very lax about that.

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How far are you coming from?

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Okay.

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Tonight's meeting is being recorded on the YouTube video.

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First order of business is hearing the visitors.

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So, Justin, is it Justin?

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Yes, it is.

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From Allstate Paving.

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Yeah, Allstate Paternities Group.

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You're on.

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I just came down.

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We're going to honor the quoted price from last year.

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We're just going to repeat the price increase to get you guys on the board.

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You know, if you guys want to move forward, I'll work with Dave and get you guys on the calendar.

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And get you ahead of everyone, because we're starting to come into the busy season with the bids and estimates and all that kind of stuff.

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So, when you said put us on the calendar, when do you think these projects would start?

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As soon as I get it signed, I can look at our calendar and work on it with Dave.

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Yeah, there's one every year this season.

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Do we have the contract, or will we have to sign it?

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Yeah, I think we'll work on it.

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I'll send you a copy of it.

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I sent you a copy of it.

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Yeah, this is the one.

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And do you know what road you'll be starting first?

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No, we'll work with Dave on that.

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And this is for the all three of you?

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So, can you verify, Dave, that this is what the people voted on, the exact price?

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Because I don't have a fund.

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If that's the case, then we've got to get on the calendar.

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I'd like to make a motion that we sign this.

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Second.

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All in favor?

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588, 567.

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So.

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Thank you.

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We appreciate the review.

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This is from the talent.

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That's why we honored the price.

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Thank you because.

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It might be more common.

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See how things go.

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Lori, can I have a copy of this afterwards?

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Just one signature.

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That's why I made a motion to sign it.

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Anything else for Justin today?

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We're good?

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Thank you, Martina.

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You're up.

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We'll come up.

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She has a poster.

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I brought a whole, my whole group today.

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Is this your desk there?

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She's got all kinds of people to hold a match up here.

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Put it on the floor.

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happening in Stanford and if you have any other general questions about what's

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happening fortunately because we got this question the other night I just wanted to

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mention that on our ranger district we did have a few staffing cuts

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unfortunately but for the most part at the moment we are actually maybe getting

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a few seasonal employees to help support our work for the summer months but for

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the most part it seems like our operations are pretty stable at the

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moment despite what you might be hearing about cuts so the generally speaking the

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cuts are more of the Washington office and regional office levels not so much

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at the ranger district level but yeah just as you probably know there's a lot

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going on in Stanford and I've brought well we can everyone kind of maybe we

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can do a quick introduction so I just yes

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I'm Mary Beth and I'm the program manager here on the Manchester district and Stacy Stratton is the timber manager here on the district

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I'm Mary Beth Handling I'm a botanist so yeah we brought some staff and we just want to I know you have another bunch of topics to cover so we just thought we'd talk about specifically on the timber side of what's happening and if you have any specific questions regarding recreation Steve is here and then Mary Beth can talk about if you have specific questions.

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related to botany you know plants rare plants and what we do to protect those you know especially given or before also what we do to combat invasive plants as well she can speak to that we always try to do our best to protect the rare plants and control the invasive plants during our projects that happen in the forest so I'll probably turn it over to Stacy if you have any questions.

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actually before I do I did just want to quickly mention that the the park forestry donation or land acquisition that is still being planned but it's currently because of limited staffing we don't have a forest surveyor at the moment and that's the final survey is still in process so it's probably donations or land acquisitions are moving extra slow right now in the works

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but this map says we're accessing that parcel through what there just a bus or your car basically yeah it does that's a donation yeah yeah yeah just planning to do it as you know we do most of our first spring burning in the spring in April and May and so that that is tentatively on the schedule 23 acre units but when we notify you with all the notifications to the town and the fire warden

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and sheriff's department if there is like the day before the burn just to give you guys a heads up kind of trees you burn well those are some of the openings yeah they're openings so generally wildlife temporary wildlife opening areas so the great hunt forest yeah all right I'll start it off second place I don't know if Stacy talked about any all the timber happening timber sales just a little bit with this one here it's like so that was like part of the camp casino

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timber sale and and so they went in afterwards they masticated it ground everything down and then now it's at a point where they're going to burn it probably like every seven years or so they'll go back and burn it again just to keep the opening rotating around so we've got the you know the sales we talked about last year roaring brick which is on the 264 road that's in progress they made really you know really good gains on it this year got a good logger nail in the corner so even when it was bad weather you know a track vehicle you'll play with it

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place the skidder can. So we're doing really well. The Cardinal Brook, that one's Allard and they have a logger in there this winter. I don't know how much he's gotten done, you know, he's more like just a cable skidder type and that's slower. The Maltese sail, again, you know, same thing, you know, it's kind of a little slower, you know, smaller, smaller loggers. That's what we kind of designed it for, to get a variety of people. The Broad Brook sail, as you know, that's been going up off the Risky Ranch Road right now. Hunter Excavation has that and he's

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been in there cutting quite a bit this winter and, you know, he's been working with, you know, the town here quite a bit, you know, for the road crew to make sure, you know, some of that stuff's got, you know, when they're trying to plow, there's like a giant rock in the way. You don't know until you hit it with a, you know, a plow. So, you know, they've done a little bit of road work, you know, coordinating with the town. We do have a future timber sail and it's got, we call, it's called the Dome Timber Sail and it's over here. So it's north of the county road going up to Sucker Pond. So behind the gate. So we're going to do some management in there. It's

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going to be a stewardship. So it's going to be more than just timber. It'll be, you know, trying to, you know, take out some of those ruts, you know, water bar and get, you know, trying to get water back where it's supposed to be going because, you know, it kind of gets a lot of use in there that's probably not always the best. And so there's a lot of work to do in there. Plus, you know, I don't think there's going to be any planting out if there's money enough. There usually is. We've been putting a lot of oak in places trying to get a variety of trees in different spots where it fits. Any questions about these? I mean,

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we, you know, we've been at it for several years down here, but if you have any questions, yes. When will the logging operations be done on the Roaring Brook and Risky Ranch? I think, I think he's done now. I mean, you don't, I mean, well, he's for the season. For the season. But it's a five-year contract and it's been extended a couple times by the past administration and then this administration is probably going to extend it because of weather. You know, they're not getting a good winter. So I would like to think, you know, if we get another good winter, it'll be done.

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The guy, his name is Bill Brock, that's doing the cutting and he's, he's really efficient, you know. And that's, you said, what is it, three, three areas that you're cutting? Yes, yeah. So will they all be done for the season or done completely? So it'll be done for the season. Okay. And so once month season ends, they'll go in and they'll, where they've cut, they'll put the water bars in, take out any infrastructure that they put in. They've been kind of forwarding, I don't know if it's that Roaring Brook that, you know, the power line.

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Do they ever look forward? Gotta wait till after month season when it's too, too sloppy. It's like, yes. And that, so they'll probably be in there doing that. And then the other thing is like, so after we do a harvest, we call it site preparation. And it's like trees that, you know, smaller trees that are, they get knocked over or they're scarred up, which happens all the time. Someone's going to go in and we usually put a contract off of that. They just take brush saws and cut those trees down. And that gets enough daylight to the ground, especially if you take some beach out for a couple of years to let some other trees start growing, you know,

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give them a little bit of a head start. But I haven't been up there this winter. I try to stay out because I don't like meat logging trucks on narrow roads. I don't have a CB radio like my administrator does. But, you know, call ahead and say come in. I've had a couple of close calls in my time. But yeah, so they should be closing out for the season. And hopefully they've been working closely with the road crew for the town, you know, because I mean, I don't know if you guys have posted roads. I didn't really see anything on the way down. You probably have, right? Yes. Yeah.

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I was, have you consummated a deal with public land for trust for the broad book for last time you were here last year, it's hanging. That's the, uh, the park forestry mission. So that's, that's jumping. We see, and we have a lot. You can come to my house, pull up my side. My wife came out strange. They made great, they made great ones for England. They look like snakes. The other thing that's coming

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down here is beach. I mean, this area, there's a lot of clear beach, you know, something for the genetics a little bit. We try to find those, but beach leaf diseases are actually caused by a nematode, which is a microscopic worm. And they don't know where it came from. We don't know anything about the history of it, but like Reedsboro, especially down there, it's like just, it just, the forest is clear.

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It seems like last summer it exploded like last summer.

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It did. Yeah. Yeah. And so like we're out in the woods, we try to like make sure our boots get cleaned off when we get back. But, you know, just try not to, because, you know, if it's in the soil,

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we try not to spread things. You know, we try to be cognizant of that. But, yeah, that's something that's really coming out of the beach is they're not getting it there.

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It's interesting. I've been trying to get rid of my worms. I pile them up and I go down and throw them on Kurt's property.

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I'm in the Brooks. It's the trout. They do love them.

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Oh, they do love them. They have a bird. No, but I'm serious. You're welcome to come. I mean, we have them. I don't know where the hell they're from.

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What's your...

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Oh, 1339.

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Yeah, what's your protected vote?

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1339 rules.

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Question for the botanist. Before this project occurred, Cardinal Stream was up for reclassification to an A1 stream for aquatic biota.

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And Roaring Book was up for a designation for a Class B, which are both excellent streams.

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Post-operation, are those classifications still going to be possible?

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I actually would probably be the psychologist to be the person to answer that question. So I don't know the answer, but I can take your question.

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Sure. So hydrology for the village and down beyond here is another question that I would have. You know, how does this affect the hydrology of, you know, future water resources?

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I mean, are those studies taking place before these operations occur?

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Yeah, I don't know the answer to that question. What we do is...

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You did. I mean, we do have everybody come in. You know, I mean, we have our soil and we have our mitigation.

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Yeah, that's definitely part of the...

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I'm just an hydrologist.

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I figured it was.

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No, it's important. I just, I don't have the answer for you.

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But you could...

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I'm sorry, Steve. We're using your pad for...

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And then also...

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Any other questions about the timber stuff or...

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Yes.

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Just curious as to how you negotiate your website to look up information on your active timber sets.

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It's gotten a little easier. Yeah, it's like...

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I get in there and I go to projects and the projects aren't even listed.

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They aren't? Okay. No, they... I'm sorry if they're not. I mean, I was just looking the other day and they seem to be on there, but...

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You know, I was able to find the one about the right way of 264, which I assume was...

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You know, to allow Daryl Peacock to get to his camp or whatever it was. But, you know, I was looking for the...

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Yeah, I think the...

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The maps for the actual timber sales to see what...

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See what units were still... were being logged and which ones weren't.

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Yeah.

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And whether or not that they are conducive to summertime logging or realtime logging or...

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If we get your name on that, because, you know, like as far as future projects, we have, you know, we're the government, everything has an acronym.

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So we call it SOPA, which is Schedule of Proposed Actions.

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And so, like I said, if you want, we can send a link and we'll get, you know, if you want to put your name down here and I can send stuff back to you.

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Yeah.

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Then there's the link. Yeah.

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It's like any website, especially...

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Especially ours is not the best. We're trying to get it better, but...

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And I think part of the way it's confusing to...

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The tim...

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Each of these timber sales is...

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I mean, they're also part of the Route 9...

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Part of a bigger project.

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Yeah, they're part of another, like...

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Oh, yeah.

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It's not like individually...

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Believe me.

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Okay.

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You've gone down that rabbit hole.

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I've been trying to find a route that I can think of.

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Okay.

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I knew how I got there before and I didn't think it would be the same.

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No, we have...

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We've moved it around.

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We've tried to improve it, which, you know, it's...

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But, no, if we have your information, like, I can send you a link directly to help you with some of that.

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And then I can send you some maps, too.

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Like, a lot of, like, my sale area maps, they're made through ArcMap.

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And it's georeferenced.

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So if you have Avenza, which is free, it's an app on your phone, you can load my timber sale maps right now and navigate like it's a map.

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I guess I should just go see Nancy.

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I see she's got one right there.

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That's one, yeah.

249
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They gave it to me last year.

250
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I have a question.

251
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Yeah, go ahead.

252
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I'm wondering, are you doing anything preventative at all about the Japanese beetles?

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I used to live in Worcester and was there when that infestation came through and hit the maples.

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And I'm just...

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And I was reading something recently that they're thinking that they're migrating up this way.

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You mean the spongy moths or the Japanese beetles?

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The Japanese beetles.

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They've been here forever.

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They're here.

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They're here.

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Yeah, they're kind of endemic here.

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They just kind of, you know, up and down the populations a little bit.

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But they've been here for a while.

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We don't have any things that I know of, but like spongy moth, which, you know, the old name was gypsy moth.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And that's like in that over there.

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And that's in Emerald Ash Borer in this area.

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It's like...

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She could get...

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Sorry.

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She could get...

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Do you...

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Are you familiar with Vermont invasives?

274
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No, I'm not.

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That's a website.

276
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Okay.

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Are you familiar with getting online?

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If you type in Vermont...

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If you type in vermontinvasives.org, it will give you all the information on invasive

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species in the states.

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And so you can look up and see.

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They'll give you a profile and give you kind of where it is and what they're doing and...

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Yeah.

284
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No, I just wondered because we think...

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In Worcester, they lost thousands of maple trees, you know, as a result of the warring

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that they were doing.

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So it seems like...

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And then you could also...

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I mean, you could...

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If you know your county or what...

291
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Are we in Wyndham County?

292
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Yeah.

293
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Yeah.

294
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Yeah.

295
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Okay.

296
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Yeah.

297
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Okay.

298
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Yeah.

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So you can ask...

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I think we can ask you if you want to contact the county forest or specifically on your...

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Cause for issues like that on your private property, the county forest for Reddington County,

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also even I think like that's the service that like what they provide, they can give

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you, you know, how to manage or something like that.

304
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Okay.

305
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All right.

306
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Thank you.

307
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I have one more question.

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Does the forest service still have anything like they used to have, you know, more than

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that?

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No.

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they used to have years ago with ranger savings um i i know because everything has to go through

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but what i do have is like you know when we're that's one of the things that we're short-staffed

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i was like firewood you know like i'd mark a lot of you know dead and down and get a firewood

314
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permit it's ten dollars a quarter our district doesn't have that right now we just don't have

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some way that can do it because it's money you know so you have to have special clearance um

316
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but i go out and i mark a lot of timber on the roadside for people you know to cut firewood

317
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that's about as much as i can do to help that but yeah we don't have like any we just can't

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the reason i asked is i know a really nice white ash stand on off of route 8 in searsburg

319
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just north of the vast trail corner okay and it's going to be a shame to see that stuff end up

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just lying there on the ground

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actually in this whole across the forest we have a i don't want to call it spreading because it's

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not what we're doing is like we're going into some areas like that like they only have like

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you know like superior ash and we're inoculating the trees and so we put a little hole in and we

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put a pesticide in that goes through the bark and if there's anything in there gets killed

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and we're just hoping that we have a seed source left when it goes through like i came

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from pennsylvania before hearing the allegheny oh yeah there's nothing

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in there but that particular stand right there was probably within 300 yards of room eight and

328
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every downstream there is already dead two years ago and this stuff is still in reasonably good

329
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shape and it may be in a project we're doing that because like you know we have several other

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big projects without knowing i think i know where you talk it's on room eight

331
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I can book because we have an early secessional habitat project that's going on and we may already have a stand in there that I just don't know about yet.

332
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It might be a good one to walk into.

333
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I'll send my silviculturist. We've been walking a lot over the last couple of days.

334
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Are you using biologics in any areas?

335
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No. What we're trying to kill is just we can't go willy nilly with it.

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Like when I was in the severe natural forest there's tansy out there.

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There's one hormone you can spray on the tansy that only affects tansy and it grows itself to that.

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Then you just walk along and spray everything.

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But here it's pretty strict.

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I've heard in the neighboring states they're using a moth.

341
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They're experimenting with a moth.

342
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We're pretty careful about that. We don't work with them on it.

343
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We don't introduce something that's worse like carp.

344
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That's a good example.

345
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We've got milfoil so let's bring carp in.

346
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They like milfoil but they like the other stuff better.

347
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We have special wasps that they're trying on some of these things.

348
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I like purple loosestrife.

349
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There's special beetles that really like purple loosestrife.

350
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The 20 years I've been in they're still working at it to make sure it doesn't like anything else.

351
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They're trying some things. That's through the Northern Research Station.

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It's kind of interesting. One's still out and I see him.

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Back to the plants.

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Plant stuff.

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Pogweed.

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Someone was supposed to get back to us but we can spray it.

357
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:51,460
You guys are opening up a lot of areas now and that stuff is growing really fast.

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Pogweed.

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It's growing.

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Keep an eye on your eyes.

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Pogweed.

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Pogweed.

363
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Pogweed.

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Pogweed.

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Put a white flower on it. That will burn right down to the bone if you get it on you.

366
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It is around in areas that have been caught.

367
00:25:07,460 --> 00:25:11,460
You're getting into a couple of different areas.

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I see poison parsnip and .

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Cut it off below the ground and then you bury the root and it's supposed to kill it.

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But we don't want to get next to it when we're doing trail work.

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So we were supposed to check in to see if we could spray something on it.

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We didn't know what we could use it for.

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Dig it out. Don't touch it.

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I mean without I don't know what the...

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I know if we don't have giant Pogweed here.

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If we have a native Pogweed.

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So I'm not sure if we need to visit the site.

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It's all up there.

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You go up in the old stagecoach area up on stagecoach in Woodford.

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It's all in there.

381
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There's the giant versus the native.

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Like is there a...

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I've seen it down here in Stanford down here too.

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It's probably...

385
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Yeah, that's a stake.

386
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Yeah.

387
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It grows up pretty tall.

388
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So she's saying that that's not the giant.

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The giant one is like...

390
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The giant one is like really giant.

391
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Yeah.

392
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It's like could be like eight...

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Eight feet.

394
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At least eight feet tall if not more.

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Because what we do is we'll take a shovel and cut it low and burr.

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And then you push it down.

397
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So then, yeah, it's definitely we can spray it.

398
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We can spray it on there and kill it.

399
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It is a native plant.

400
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But it does have some contact dermatitis.

401
00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:36,799
Some of the plants in the ACA, the carrot family, do that.

402
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:38,799
Like, well, poison parsnip.

403
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:45,690
Well, sure.

404
00:26:45,690 --> 00:26:46,690
And then we'll spray it on the trail.

405
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We don't want to leave it there because somebody might get it on.

406
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Yeah.

407
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Yeah.

408
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And then spray it.

409
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Yeah.

410
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Thank you.

411
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I know where we've been here.

412
00:27:02,329 --> 00:27:13,599
We should probably...

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Access trails, dispersed recreation.

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00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:15,599
You know, we've got the Appalachian Trail and Long Trail running through here.

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00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:16,660
Offer some snowmobile trails.

416
00:27:16,660 --> 00:27:17,950
We've been working with VASA on the summer off-highway vehicle system.

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00:27:17,950 --> 00:27:32,950
Some of the dispersed sites we have, the Seth Warner Shelter, we moved that up the

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trail a little bit further.

419
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:34,950
It was kind of between Klondike, Risky Ranch, and County Road.

420
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:35,950
Now it's like further up where we don't have as many user group conflicts.

421
00:27:35,950 --> 00:27:36,950
We used to have partying there.

422
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:37,950
I guess that was moved to the skidder in the 80s.

423
00:27:37,950 --> 00:27:38,950
So it's been moved around a few times.

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Now it's completely rebuilt.

425
00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:40,950
We haven't heard any issues between groups down there.

426
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:41,950
The Green Mountain Club have done a bunch of work on the Appalachian Trail up to Risky

427
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Ranch.

428
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:43,950
Some improvements.

429
00:27:43,950 --> 00:27:44,950
But, yeah, we have limited recreation sites down there.

430
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:45,950
We've got a lot of snow on the Appalachian Trail.

431
00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:46,950
We've got a lot of snow on the Appalachian Trail.

432
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:47,950
We've got a lot of snow on the Appalachian Trail.

433
00:27:47,950 --> 00:27:48,950
We've got a lot of snow on the Appalachian Trail.

434
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:49,950
We've got a lot of snow on the Appalachian Trail.

435
00:27:49,950 --> 00:27:50,950
Some improvements.

436
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:51,950
But, yeah, I just wanted to emphasize our partnerships.

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00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:52,950
Green Mountain Club, Bass, and Bassive.

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00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:53,950
Without them we wouldn't really be able to manage the miles that we have.

439
00:27:53,950 --> 00:27:54,950
So it's something that we have done a little bit of work on.

440
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:55,950
But, yeah, we haven't heard any issues between groups down there.

441
00:27:55,950 --> 00:27:56,950
The Green Mountain Club have done a bunch of work on the Appalachian Trail up to Risky

442
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:57,950
Ranch.

443
00:27:57,950 --> 00:27:58,950
Some improvements.

444
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:59,950
But, yeah, we have limited recreation sites down there.

445
00:27:59,950 --> 00:28:00,950
We've got a lot of snow on the Appalachian Trail.

446
00:28:00,950 --> 00:28:01,950
Some improvements.

447
00:28:01,950 --> 00:28:02,950
But, yeah, we have limited recreation sites down there.

448
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:03,950
We've got some trail heads.

449
00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:04,950
It's just over the line in Reeds Grove on Hartvilleville.

450
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:05,950
That's another big one.

451
00:28:05,950 --> 00:28:08,109
It's just over the line in Reeds Grove on Hartwellville.

452
00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:09,450
It's another big one.

453
00:28:09,910 --> 00:28:12,210
But, yeah, I just wanted to emphasize our partnerships.

454
00:28:12,670 --> 00:28:16,769
You know, Green Mountain Club, VASA, without them,

455
00:28:16,829 --> 00:28:19,210
we wouldn't really be able to manage the miles that we have.

456
00:28:19,329 --> 00:28:21,690
And I appreciate all the local clubs, Tom,

457
00:28:21,789 --> 00:28:25,269
and folks that help do the brushing, like you're saying,

458
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:27,410
along those corridors, the water bar maintenance,

459
00:28:27,930 --> 00:28:30,869
without having partners out there, you know,

460
00:28:30,930 --> 00:28:33,490
the works wouldn't get done at the level that we need.

461
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:34,549
So, thank you.

462
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:42,170
How was that stuff?

463
00:28:42,450 --> 00:28:46,529
So, after the timber sale, opportunity.

464
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,170
Stacey mentioned there's just funds.

465
00:28:50,589 --> 00:28:53,559
So, it'll be used for skidding and hauling.

466
00:28:55,470 --> 00:28:56,430
We'll be able to improve it.

467
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,279
The timber sale, we'll probably seek some funding.

468
00:29:11,779 --> 00:30:36,880
What's the word for that area now?

469
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,460
Oh, it's the meadow sale, right?

470
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,779
It's drawn here.

471
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,420
It's just the area now.

472
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:47,559
We haven't been up there really to do any, you know, boundary work,

473
00:30:47,619 --> 00:30:48,980
you know, or cutting units.

474
00:30:49,140 --> 00:30:50,079
It's on the left of here.

475
00:30:50,539 --> 00:30:54,299
So, this, you know, here's Lake Hancock, Sucker Pond.

476
00:30:54,660 --> 00:30:55,759
That's Sucker Pond Trail.

477
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:57,819
So, it runs right through it.

478
00:30:57,839 --> 00:30:58,880
So, basically, we're going from the Appalachian Trail

479
00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:59,460
to the Pond.

480
00:30:59,819 --> 00:31:03,900
So, it's a pretty big section in there.

481
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:09,359
If that is used, you know, for hauling and timber,

482
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,279
that's going to get the trail up.

483
00:31:13,339 --> 00:31:14,140
And it is, right.

484
00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:17,099
I don't know if you've been out there.

485
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,380
There is that.

486
00:31:25,829 --> 00:31:27,069
Yeah, I go through there with the snowmobile.

487
00:31:27,069 --> 00:31:29,339
Not really.

488
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,660
You know, that trail's been open all winter for snowmobiles,

489
00:31:31,740 --> 00:31:33,440
so we still have it open for motorized use.

490
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:36,619
We just have to get it a little closer to our standards for safety.

491
00:31:36,619 --> 00:31:40,400
I, unfortunately, struggle to get in there just on our pole there.

492
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:40,839
So, you'd see.

493
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,720
I can make it out on, like, a regular four-wheeler,

494
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:47,240
but we have to be able to access it on our own for maintenance and safety.

495
00:31:47,779 --> 00:31:49,119
If there was ever a search and rescue,

496
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:53,599
we don't even have the equipment to get in there ourselves with, you know,

497
00:31:53,660 --> 00:31:54,279
the gear.

498
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,599
So, that's kind of the minimum level we'll be looking for.

499
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,380
One quick question for you.

500
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:11,180
There was talk years ago about relocating some of the ATV trails

501
00:32:11,180 --> 00:32:13,099
from Dutch Hill to Dobney Road.

502
00:32:13,220 --> 00:32:15,400
Is that still in the works?

503
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,930
I mean, there's Legal Trail 1 running right across Dutch Hill.

504
00:32:21,130 --> 00:32:21,309
Right.

505
00:32:21,309 --> 00:32:25,349
But there was some problems with some of the landowners there.

506
00:32:25,349 --> 00:32:30,829
And I know you had people out here working on a relocation route.

507
00:32:30,829 --> 00:32:34,819
And I was just curious if that was something that was ever.

508
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,859
So, I know VASA had done some work on that.

509
00:32:38,890 --> 00:32:43,309
We're waiting for a trail proposal from Reef Road.

510
00:32:43,309 --> 00:32:43,329
Yeah.

511
00:32:43,329 --> 00:32:43,369
Yeah.

512
00:32:43,369 --> 00:32:43,390
Yeah.

513
00:32:43,410 --> 00:32:49,230
So, there's basically at least four sections in the Reef Road town ordinance

514
00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:51,069
that have been ATV used on the forest.

515
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:53,970
So, we're going to see if that lines up with our priorities.

516
00:32:54,589 --> 00:32:57,569
But we weren't really part of that relocation.

517
00:32:57,690 --> 00:33:00,250
I think that was some local work going on.

518
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,460
Thanks for your time.

519
00:33:04,579 --> 00:33:07,059
I think I was right for you to raise your hand.

520
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:08,019
I thought you had questions.

521
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:11,880
This may or may not have anything to do with you.

522
00:33:11,980 --> 00:33:13,119
It's more of the loggers.

523
00:33:13,819 --> 00:33:15,819
But when it was much more of a local work,

524
00:33:15,819 --> 00:33:22,319
we were able to get some of the money probably a week and a half ago or so.

525
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:24,599
I believe the roads were posted.

526
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:29,759
We had they were offloading a lot of their equipment, not on the trailers,

527
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:35,079
but they were literally driving down mill road with their massive excavators.

528
00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:36,619
You could barely get by.

529
00:33:36,619 --> 00:33:39,440
So when they would pull over to let a car go by,

530
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,240
it would just push all the gravel into our ditches.

531
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,579
So I'm wondering.

532
00:33:44,579 --> 00:33:51,619
set aside for reclaiming our ditches and rebuilding our roads because these weren't just little

533
00:33:51,619 --> 00:33:59,519
excavators. And going over our bridges, which they aren't rated for. They don't have that

534
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:10,639
axle span. They just drive over the bridges, which are 24,000. And you know these things

535
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:16,440
are probably 10 times that. And this is not like, you know, I'm not trying to be dismissive

536
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:23,030
when I say this, but that's beyond our jurisdiction. Right, that's what I'm asking. Who would we

537
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:30,130
reclaim any funds for? That would be the logger. They're the ones that did the damage. If they

538
00:34:30,130 --> 00:34:34,809
were on like one of our roads, we would go after them for like crushed culverts and things

539
00:34:34,809 --> 00:34:41,010
like that. And it sounds formal when I say it, but you know, it's like, you know, as

540
00:34:41,010 --> 00:34:45,510
it's not meant to be that way. It's like, well, once it hits town roads, our jurisdiction

541
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:49,010
ends. I mean, we try to work with them and say, hey, you shouldn't be doing that right

542
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:55,510
now. But we have, we can't stop them. You know, once they're on, you know, town land,

543
00:34:55,510 --> 00:35:01,510
we can't, we have no jurisdiction. Okay. But if they've done some damage, I mean, hopefully

544
00:35:01,510 --> 00:35:06,010
someone has documented it and then, you know, they can go and say, hey, you guys have done

545
00:35:06,010 --> 00:35:10,300
pictures. It's like driving on a battle guard going up there. So they came off like the

546
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:11,300
Roaring Brook Road and then...

547
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:12,300
Yeah. Yeah.

548
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:13,300
So they went over three bridges. Two excavators that I saw.

549
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:14,300
The bridges on Miller, don't you mean?

550
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:15,650
Miller.

551
00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:16,650
Yeah.

552
00:35:16,650 --> 00:35:18,800
There was a guy last night that I talked to.

553
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:19,800
My sailor, I think his name was Bill Garrison, to see, you know, what, and see what we,

554
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:20,800
you know, I'm just like to identify who it was.

555
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:26,380
Okay.

556
00:35:26,380 --> 00:35:29,489
And again, I don't mean it to be, you know, it sounds formal when I say it's, it's, it's

557
00:35:29,489 --> 00:35:30,489
not our jurisdiction. No, it's not, you know, we just don't have that.

558
00:35:30,489 --> 00:35:41,019
Yeah. It's not your jurisdiction that you gave them.

559
00:35:41,019 --> 00:35:42,019
No, it's not our jurisdiction.

560
00:35:42,019 --> 00:35:43,019
Okay.

561
00:35:43,019 --> 00:35:44,019
I mean, I don't mean it to be, you know, it sounds formal when I say it's, it's, it's

562
00:35:44,019 --> 00:35:54,420
not our jurisdiction. No, it's not, you know, we just don't have that.

563
00:35:54,420 --> 00:36:03,920
No, that's what I mean, you know, that's, you know, that's the, you know, that's the

564
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:12,179
thing. It's like once, you know, it's like even liability, it's like, you know what I

565
00:36:12,179 --> 00:36:16,320
mean, it's like once it hits a town road, it's, it's like for us, I, for us, we have

566
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,059
no, um, you know, we don't have any money.

567
00:36:17,059 --> 00:36:17,179
Right.

568
00:36:17,179 --> 00:36:17,219
Right.

569
00:36:17,219 --> 00:36:17,300
Right.

570
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:17,340
Right.

571
00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:17,380
Right.

572
00:36:17,380 --> 00:36:17,400
Right.

573
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:17,420
Right.

574
00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:21,659
jurisdiction on any of that and it's it's not a cop out it's just you know that's just you know

575
00:36:21,659 --> 00:36:28,380
how it is for us you know it's uh i wish it was different but but i'm hoping that they would be

576
00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:34,010
working with you know the town because again if the road's posted they have to you know that's

577
00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:39,960
a lot of big machinery you know to be going on that road and i was told last night that

578
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,699
you've been posting a road you don't have to abide by it i don't know i mean again if they

579
00:36:45,699 --> 00:36:50,179
used to be in there that's what the laundry's i yeah i don't know to be honest with you

580
00:37:05,059 --> 00:37:07,300
yeah thank you thank you for all this time

581
00:37:08,739 --> 00:37:14,579
this is great thank you but um we'll get her information over before we and here's just the

582
00:37:15,139 --> 00:37:15,619
copy of it

583
00:37:15,699 --> 00:37:19,460
it's a little outdated but it's a five-year temperament and this is the you may have

584
00:37:19,460 --> 00:37:27,539
received it with just like our 2020 number six like counts it's a lot longer but it's just a

585
00:37:27,539 --> 00:37:31,139
two-page all right awesome the shutdown that lasted

586
00:37:45,139 --> 00:37:45,539
okay

587
00:37:45,699 --> 00:37:57,539
thank you

588
00:38:01,539 --> 00:38:05,539
okay is there any other hearing visitors before we move on

589
00:38:09,460 --> 00:38:11,539
yeah

590
00:38:12,659 --> 00:38:15,139
i'll look it up there because i think they said that there

591
00:38:15,699 --> 00:38:17,539
is coming up this way

592
00:38:17,539 --> 00:38:21,539
yeah

593
00:38:21,539 --> 00:38:23,539
yeah

594
00:38:23,539 --> 00:38:25,639
yeah

595
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:27,639
yeah

596
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:29,639
yeah

597
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:31,639
yeah

598
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:33,639
yeah

599
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:35,639
yeah

600
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:37,639
yeah

601
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:39,639
yeah

602
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:41,639
yeah

603
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:43,639
can we continue on with the meeting

604
00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:45,639
yeah something oh go ahead

605
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:58,070
something all right uh so just with everything that's going on globally right now

606
00:38:58,710 --> 00:39:04,309
i wanted to bring some things to your attention i checked with laurie before the meeting

607
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:09,909
pretty much i don't know how much of this i want to cover because it's not very good news

608
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:18,710
but pretty much everything on this list over the years i've given letters and information about

609
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:20,710
how to deal with it

610
00:39:21,269 --> 00:39:28,760
okay the first letter i sent out okay so with the straight up or moves closed a third

611
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:51,960
world's nitrogen has been shut down on a book this is going to start impacting a to z

612
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:08,780
then you have the farmers use a lot of diesel trucks moved goods

613
00:40:09,820 --> 00:40:28,099
so number one and number two kind of go together find letters that i gave to the town with covid

614
00:40:28,820 --> 00:40:37,940
what you can do to build your immune system lord's got copies of everything the first letter i ever

615
00:40:37,940 --> 00:40:50,289
letter I ever sent out. China and Russia are both supplying Iran with satellite and targeting

616
00:40:50,289 --> 00:40:57,519
info. It's just a matter of time before the first move goes up. I'll do a warning for

617
00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:02,579
you over here. Don't expect anything here except maybe a dirty bomb, which isn't going

618
00:41:02,579 --> 00:41:08,739
to affect us. But the first letter I sent to the townspeople was how to survive fallout

619
00:41:08,739 --> 00:41:18,750
from a nuclear bomb. Okay. The last one, number five, and this really affects the select board.

620
00:41:18,750 --> 00:41:32,699
I'm probably going to get real. Part of the reason I put on the resiliency fair was two-fold.

621
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:38,880
To give people skills, become self-sufficient with food and animals. The other was to build

622
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,800
a bridge between the liberals and conservatives in town, which our country is pretty divided.

623
00:41:45,550 --> 00:41:49,949
It worked pretty good. Okay. I know I got a lot of conservatives in town. I got a lot

624
00:41:49,949 --> 00:41:49,969
of conservatives in town. I got a lot of conservatives in town. I got a lot of conservatives

625
00:41:49,969 --> 00:41:56,139
in town upset with me hanging out with liberals and they're like, Dan, I'm going to brainwash

626
00:41:56,139 --> 00:42:06,889
you. No, we can agree on certain things. I can't control anything on this list except

627
00:42:06,889 --> 00:42:16,059
what goes on in Stanford in my little sphere. Okay. I would hate to see Stanford fall into

628
00:42:16,059 --> 00:42:24,510
the number five civil unrest. And that's where a strong select board, right? Fourth Amendment.

629
00:42:24,510 --> 00:42:32,420
I know you don't take an oath to the federal government, but in the state government you

630
00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:35,760
take an oath to. There's got to be one in there that's similar to the fourth.

631
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:47,510
You take an oath to the federal, to the constitution. The federal? Yeah. Okay. The fourth, if you

632
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:57,079
stand on that hard in town, they'll keep one out and hanging them in a tree. Then is what

633
00:42:57,079 --> 00:43:13,219
protects the speedy trial. So that's pretty much it. I don't want. Laura's got copies.

634
00:43:22,969 --> 00:43:40,480
The big one. The nation from the last year immune system.

635
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:52,849
They'll detox to get that out. It's a spike protein. I went on, but that will get that

636
00:43:52,849 --> 00:43:57,190
out of your system. It's like this next one. Isn't going to be like cool with this next

637
00:43:57,190 --> 00:44:05,030
one. I expect to kill, you know, 30, 40. And so you want your immune system as high as

638
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:36,639
you can. Thank you, Dan. Any other questions? We've had two. We don't have one planned for.

639
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:59,280
No, I know. Okay. I'm here for discussion on something like the planning board, but

640
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:05,219
I'm not too handy at reading of this. So I asked Irene if she would come in and read

641
00:45:05,219 --> 00:45:12,750
the letter. Now names in this letter. I don't know. Do we just say so-and-so or do we say

642
00:45:12,750 --> 00:45:18,489
their name? What's the letter in regards? It's just, it's just the same letter. Do

643
00:45:18,489 --> 00:45:27,630
you email it out? No, that this is the one that I've, it's all into that. Take a quick

644
00:45:27,630 --> 00:45:29,559
look at it. See what he thinks.

645
00:45:31,769 --> 00:45:43,159
This is where you filled the names into the. Yeah. So I, you know, I wasn't sure how you

646
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:51,590
felt about reading it out in a public hearing. Well, you're presenting it. I mean, I don't

647
00:45:51,590 --> 00:45:58,550
have a problem with the names of you, but I do think that this is a bigger issue that

648
00:45:58,550 --> 00:46:06,360
we need to, once we go, once we hear it.

649
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,599
So do you want the names?

650
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:09,599
I don't have a problem with the names of the board.

651
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:10,599
I have no idea what it is.

652
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:11,599
No? Okay.

653
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:12,599
Okay.

654
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:13,599
All right.

655
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:14,599
I have no idea. Because what was said to us was unsigned, no names, that it was nothing.

656
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:15,599
That's how I felt.

657
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:16,599
It's what I gave Laurie, and it, she should have put her name on, saying that, oh, she's

658
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:17,599
got it, right?

659
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:18,599
Well, no, that's not up to her. Well, just received, but it's like an unsigned letter.

660
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:19,599
No, that's not up to her.

661
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:20,599
Okay.

662
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:21,599
Okay.

663
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:22,599
Okay.

664
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:23,599
Okay.

665
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:24,599
Okay.

666
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:25,599
Okay.

667
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:26,599
Okay.

668
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:27,599
Okay.

669
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:28,599
Okay.

670
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:29,599
Okay.

671
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:30,599
Okay.

672
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:31,599
Okay.

673
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:32,599
Okay.

674
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:33,599
Okay.

675
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:34,599
Okay.

676
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:35,599
Okay.

677
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:36,599
Okay.

678
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:37,599
Okay.

679
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:38,599
Okay.

680
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:39,599
Okay.

681
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:40,599
Okay.

682
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:41,599
Okay.

683
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:42,599
Okay.

684
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:43,599
Okay.

685
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:44,599
Okay.

686
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:46,110
Okay.

687
00:46:46,110 --> 00:46:47,110
Okay.

688
00:46:47,110 --> 00:46:48,110
Okay.

689
00:46:48,110 --> 00:46:49,110
Okay.

690
00:46:49,110 --> 00:46:50,110
Okay.

691
00:46:50,110 --> 00:46:51,110
Okay.

692
00:46:51,110 --> 00:46:52,110
Okay.

693
00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:53,110
Okay.

694
00:46:53,110 --> 00:46:54,650
Okay.

695
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:55,650
Okay.

696
00:46:55,650 --> 00:46:56,650
Okay.

697
00:46:56,650 --> 00:46:57,650
Okay.

698
00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:58,650
Okay.

699
00:46:58,650 --> 00:46:59,650
Okay.

700
00:46:59,650 --> 00:47:00,650
Okay.

701
00:47:00,650 --> 00:47:01,650
Okay.

702
00:47:01,650 --> 00:47:02,650
Okay.

703
00:47:02,650 --> 00:47:03,650
Okay.

704
00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:04,650
Okay.

705
00:47:04,650 --> 00:47:05,650
Okay.

706
00:47:05,650 --> 00:47:06,650
Okay.

707
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:07,650
Okay.

708
00:47:07,650 --> 00:47:08,650
Okay.

709
00:47:08,650 --> 00:47:13,369
She has difficulty reading stuff, so I'm reading it.

710
00:47:13,369 --> 00:47:20,590
So it's to the Town Clerk, Lori, Select Board Planning Commission, and to the State Ethics Commission of Vermont.

711
00:47:20,590 --> 00:47:26,409
I, Sheila, am writing to formally lodge a complaint regarding a conflict of interest involving Jed Gramlin,

712
00:47:26,409 --> 00:47:31,909
a member of the Town of Stanford Select Board, Lisa Gramlin, Clerk of the Planning Commission,

713
00:47:31,909 --> 00:47:35,730
and Jim Stinson, the newly appointed Chair of the Planning Commission.

714
00:47:35,730 --> 00:47:36,869
The conflict.

715
00:47:36,869 --> 00:47:45,250
Jed Gramlin currently serves on the Select Board and appointed to be the Select Board's ethics liaison.

716
00:47:45,250 --> 00:47:50,329
However, he recently participated in an action by voting and approving for the removal of two members,

717
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:56,730
reducing the Planning Commission nine-member board to seven members advocated for

718
00:47:56,730 --> 00:48:00,750
by his wife, Lisa Gramlin, and the newly appointed Chair of the Planning Commission,

719
00:48:00,750 --> 00:48:04,469
Jim Stinson, during a Select Board meeting on Match the 5th.

720
00:48:04,469 --> 00:48:05,610
The procedural issue.

721
00:48:05,730 --> 00:48:13,610
Because Jed Gramlin is the designated ethics liaison, there is no neutral internal path to resolve this grievance.

722
00:48:13,610 --> 00:48:19,329
His dual role as both the subject of the conflict and the person responsible for ethics oversight

723
00:48:19,329 --> 00:48:22,889
constitutes a fundamental breakdown of impartial governance.

724
00:48:22,889 --> 00:48:27,769
The restructuring of the Planning Commission includes Deborah Burchard, the zoning administrator,

725
00:48:27,769 --> 00:48:31,369
retaining her position as a planning board member who can vote.

726
00:48:31,369 --> 00:48:35,269
Though it is not against Vermont statute for holding these dual positions,

727
00:48:35,269 --> 00:48:41,769
it is highly recommended by the VLCT and the State of Vermont to veer away from allowing this,

728
00:48:41,769 --> 00:48:46,289
as it can become rife with perceived conflict of interest issues.

729
00:48:46,289 --> 00:48:52,449
Planning Commission members' responsibility to decide to approve or remove ineffective bylaws work on the Town Plan,

730
00:48:52,449 --> 00:48:58,489
along with site plan review for new and existing changes for the Town, governed by a State statute.

731
00:48:58,489 --> 00:49:05,409
As a voting member of the Planning Commission and being the zoning administrator responsible for enforcing the bylaws,

732
00:49:05,530 --> 00:49:08,809
the zoning officer should not create the perceived atmosphere of conflict of interest,

733
00:49:08,809 --> 00:49:14,030
as the person holding both positions should not be advocating for any changes that must be enforced

734
00:49:14,030 --> 00:49:18,289
while holding the alternate position as zoning administrator.

735
00:49:18,289 --> 00:49:22,769
The way to protect from this perception is for the person holding dual positions

736
00:49:22,769 --> 00:49:28,769
to recuse themself from all discussion regarding changes to the bylaws that must be enforced.

737
00:49:28,769 --> 00:49:34,269
In the past, former zoning officers participated as ad hoc to the Planning Commission,

738
00:49:34,269 --> 00:49:35,530
providing a less controversial approach.

739
00:49:35,530 --> 00:49:40,809
path. Ad hoc members do not vote but are important for providing input with what

740
00:49:40,809 --> 00:49:46,150
is going on with bylaw enforcement, site plan reviews, participate listening to

741
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:50,110
the proposed changes and giving input from the zoning administrators

742
00:49:50,110 --> 00:49:55,130
perspective as to why the new or altered bylaw could help town stability through

743
00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:59,150
proper enforcement without the hint of a perceived conflict of interest by not

744
00:49:59,150 --> 00:50:03,969
being a voting member. Requested action. I request that Jed Gramlin recuse

745
00:50:03,969 --> 00:50:08,170
himself from all matters involving the planning commission. I request that

746
00:50:08,170 --> 00:50:11,429
Deborah Burschard consider that holding both positions can

747
00:50:11,429 --> 00:50:15,449
abso-rate the perceived conflict of interest contributing to the lack of

748
00:50:15,449 --> 00:50:20,969
trust in town governance. I request that Jed Gramlin, Lisa Gramlin, Jim Stinson

749
00:50:20,969 --> 00:50:25,429
and any select board member having x-party discussions involving changes to

750
00:50:25,429 --> 00:50:30,050
any of the board's outside of posted meetings cease and desist. I request that

751
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:33,809
the select board appoint it independent third-party legal counsel

752
00:50:33,809 --> 00:50:33,909
of the council. Thank you soogen.

753
00:50:33,969 --> 00:50:37,170
or temporary liaison to investigate this matter

754
00:50:37,170 --> 00:50:41,469
as the current internal process is compromised.

755
00:50:42,449 --> 00:50:43,829
Sincerely, Sheila Lawrence,

756
00:50:43,989 --> 00:50:46,730
former Planning Commission member for 25 years,

757
00:50:46,949 --> 00:50:47,750
Town of Stanford.

758
00:50:48,190 --> 00:50:51,690
So none of us have a copy of that letter.

759
00:50:52,090 --> 00:50:54,989
You have the other paper that is what this is going to be.

760
00:50:54,989 --> 00:50:56,309
No, it's not the same thing.

761
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:58,730
So the other paper that was submitted to us,

762
00:50:59,369 --> 00:51:01,230
my opinion is, and I don't know the board,

763
00:51:01,230 --> 00:51:04,929
but it's unsigned and there's no names in there.

764
00:51:05,980 --> 00:51:07,440
You know, it says fill in the blanks.

765
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:10,039
So do you want to discard that first letter

766
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:11,019
that you gave to Lori?

767
00:51:11,019 --> 00:51:13,519
It says respect to Sheila Lawrence down there, doesn't it?

768
00:51:13,699 --> 00:51:19,460
On the letter that was submitted to us, this one.

769
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,079
And there's a second page that has it.

770
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,179
Yeah, but it doesn't say anything in there.

771
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,739
It inserts wife's name.

772
00:51:27,820 --> 00:51:31,000
I'm just, maybe I'm picking too much,

773
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:31,280
but it's...

774
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:32,780
It says insert wife's name.

775
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,380
We kind of know what's going on.

776
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,539
But if this letter replaces this one,

777
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:40,880
then I'd say we ignore this one.

778
00:51:42,139 --> 00:51:43,079
And it will all be used down.

779
00:51:43,219 --> 00:51:44,579
Lori's making copies for us.

780
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:44,940
Okay.

781
00:51:47,429 --> 00:51:49,690
Because I don't want to ignore this, but it's...

782
00:51:49,690 --> 00:51:53,070
What was that time that you used for actually...

783
00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:54,110
Sheila wrote the letters last,

784
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:56,070
but what was the time that you used

785
00:51:56,070 --> 00:52:00,670
for a person that is still invited to the meeting

786
00:52:00,670 --> 00:52:01,909
and doesn't have voting?

787
00:52:03,230 --> 00:52:03,829
What's that?

788
00:52:03,889 --> 00:52:06,670
What I'm thinking is, is like what Ron taught me.

789
00:52:06,670 --> 00:52:08,789
In the letter, in the letter, what's it called?

790
00:52:08,789 --> 00:52:10,409
I don't know if she starts with the letter.

791
00:52:10,949 --> 00:52:12,530
It's called ad hoc in the letter.

792
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:13,849
Oh, that's what she wrote.

793
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:15,449
It's the ex officio.

794
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:15,789
All right.

795
00:52:16,110 --> 00:52:17,730
So it's ad hoc.

796
00:52:18,090 --> 00:52:19,110
Is that how you said it?

797
00:52:19,409 --> 00:52:21,409
Yeah, A-D-H-O-C.

798
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:22,989
It's simple for me.

799
00:52:23,429 --> 00:52:24,949
Well, that's why I'm asking you.

800
00:52:25,010 --> 00:52:28,929
You wrote the letter, so I want to know what you meant by that.

801
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:29,750
I have to.

802
00:52:29,769 --> 00:52:30,869
Because I don't know what it is.

803
00:52:30,909 --> 00:52:33,110
I've never heard of that term, ad hoc.

804
00:52:33,110 --> 00:52:33,550
Basically,

805
00:52:33,550 --> 00:52:33,710
basically,

806
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:33,769
basically,

807
00:52:33,769 --> 00:52:33,869
basically,

808
00:52:33,889 --> 00:52:35,750
it's like a one-off.

809
00:52:36,329 --> 00:52:36,809
It's what?

810
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:37,730
It's a one-off.

811
00:52:38,250 --> 00:52:38,849
An ad hoc.

812
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:40,980
But if you're, if you're,

813
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:42,639
I've never heard of it.

814
00:52:42,659 --> 00:52:44,579
You place the board, okay,

815
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,800
and you come in, you're the AO officer.

816
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:47,539
All right?

817
00:52:48,260 --> 00:52:52,739
You know some things that should be changed and everything,

818
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:54,980
but when you get onto the board,

819
00:52:55,099 --> 00:52:57,579
that leads you out where you can vote as well,

820
00:52:58,579 --> 00:52:59,840
which shouldn't be.

821
00:53:00,750 --> 00:53:01,230
Okay?

822
00:53:01,849 --> 00:53:03,150
That's the feeling I have.

823
00:53:03,409 --> 00:53:03,590
Right.

824
00:53:03,590 --> 00:53:05,380
You should be able to offer your,

825
00:53:05,380 --> 00:53:08,969
I just didn't know what that term was.

826
00:53:08,969 --> 00:53:13,030
I just wanted to get, that's why I had her read it so I can get it in the knock.

827
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:13,530
Okay.

828
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:14,619
Bill?

829
00:53:14,619 --> 00:53:21,280
Is the first unsigned letter what you were referring to in your executive meeting two weeks ago?

830
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,989
No, no, no.

831
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:25,730
That's a.

832
00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:27,050
That's came after.

833
00:53:27,050 --> 00:53:27,409
Yes.

834
00:53:27,409 --> 00:53:29,730
Is that public, letter of public record?

835
00:53:29,730 --> 00:53:30,150
This one?

836
00:53:30,449 --> 00:53:32,110
No, from two weeks ago.

837
00:53:32,510 --> 00:53:34,769
There was no letter.

838
00:53:34,769 --> 00:53:35,510
I have to go back.

839
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:37,210
Yeah, this wasn't anything to do with this.

840
00:53:37,210 --> 00:53:37,429
No, this wasn't anything to do with this.

841
00:53:37,429 --> 00:53:41,530
The executive session last meeting had nothing to do with this.

842
00:53:41,530 --> 00:53:41,949
Right.

843
00:53:41,949 --> 00:53:44,210
We addressed the letter.

844
00:53:44,730 --> 00:53:48,889
That was about personnel and I'll be talking about finances.

845
00:53:50,949 --> 00:53:53,010
There was nothing to do with this situation.

846
00:53:53,010 --> 00:53:53,909
This is two things.

847
00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:55,090
I do.

848
00:53:55,409 --> 00:54:00,730
The other, last meeting, it was a different topic and I believe we addressed that.

849
00:54:00,730 --> 00:54:01,949
But I want to speak.

850
00:54:01,949 --> 00:54:02,090
Yeah.

851
00:54:02,090 --> 00:54:02,389
Okay.

852
00:54:03,050 --> 00:54:03,389
Jim?

853
00:54:03,909 --> 00:54:04,469
Yes, ma'am.

854
00:54:04,469 --> 00:54:05,949
I want to set the record straight.

855
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:08,500
I am not the chairman.

856
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:12,079
Of the planning commission, nor did I want to be.

857
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:13,380
I stayed right where I'm at.

858
00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:14,380
I'm the vice chair.

859
00:54:14,380 --> 00:54:15,119
Period.

860
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:16,320
Stephanie is the chair.

861
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:17,260
Okay.

862
00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:21,510
So, false on that, that information.

863
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:23,670
Have you reorganized your planning commission?

864
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:25,150
We did everything above board.

865
00:54:25,150 --> 00:54:28,150
We did everything that the record, I mean.

866
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:29,630
Who is the new chair?

867
00:54:29,630 --> 00:54:33,699
Stephanie Shelburne, Dr. Shelburne.

868
00:54:33,699 --> 00:54:37,780
So, and that I totally disagree with.

869
00:54:37,780 --> 00:54:38,400
Can you repeat that?

870
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,019
So, the latter said you're a chair?

871
00:54:41,019 --> 00:54:41,519
Yes.

872
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:42,019
Okay.

873
00:54:42,019 --> 00:54:48,340
And so, and the other fact that I had communications with these other people and

874
00:54:48,340 --> 00:54:51,719
discussion as to who's going to be at what, after the meeting?

875
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,639
No, that's something that you did, not me.

876
00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:56,179
I never did that.

877
00:54:56,179 --> 00:55:02,019
I've never spoke to any member of that committee, of our planning commission,

878
00:55:02,019 --> 00:55:05,800
requesting to be the chair or the vice chair or anything else.

879
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:06,480
Period.

880
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:07,039
Never did.

881
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:08,289
That's the whole point.

882
00:55:08,289 --> 00:55:09,170
That's the whole point.

883
00:55:09,170 --> 00:55:13,219
That's the whole complaint from the old board.

884
00:55:13,219 --> 00:55:13,940
Yeah.

885
00:55:13,940 --> 00:55:15,579
As a.

886
00:55:15,579 --> 00:55:22,409
I just wanted to set the record straight as to the untruth.

887
00:55:22,409 --> 00:55:28,880
On another note, I do agree with Sheila about the fact with the AO.

888
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:29,940
It's been that way.

889
00:55:29,940 --> 00:55:34,500
When I was the AO, I did not sit on the planning committee, but

890
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:36,900
I did not miss a planning committee meeting.

891
00:55:38,059 --> 00:55:40,159
I sat right out here, and it was.

892
00:55:41,539 --> 00:55:55,599
I didn't want to be on the Planning Commission, nor was I ever asked to be, and at that point it was explained to me that the AO could not be on the Planning Commission because of the conflict of interest.

893
00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:01,599
If we all could read the ethics law, and we all have, I know we have.

894
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:15,400
The ethics law is not, if it's not written as a law, but it's perceived as a violation, is the law itself.

895
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:22,400
So I agree with her on that part. So that's just an argument that I have on my own, and other people have on their own.

896
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:29,440
The Select Board has decided that that was okay. Or maybe they didn't decide at all, maybe that's just what happened.

897
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,440
But, um, anyways.

898
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,440
Can I ask you a question?

899
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:34,440
Yes.

900
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:42,059
So if the zoning administrator is in conflict, would sit on a planning board?

901
00:56:42,059 --> 00:56:49,059
No. There's specific law, the law is read, and I can, there is not a number, but it does.

902
00:56:49,059 --> 00:56:51,059
I can recite that for you.

903
00:56:51,059 --> 00:56:55,059
Two, three, it said, no, you know, there isn't a large number, they said.

904
00:56:55,059 --> 00:56:57,059
Well, could it be a perceived conflict?

905
00:56:57,059 --> 00:57:00,059
They discourage more than two others.

906
00:57:00,059 --> 00:57:03,059
Why would it not be a perceived conflict if someone perceives it as a conflict?

907
00:57:03,059 --> 00:57:04,059
They encourage it.

908
00:57:04,059 --> 00:57:06,059
They do two different things.

909
00:57:06,059 --> 00:57:13,059
State statute says that anybody on the ZBA or the Planning Commission, they generally vote from the planning board.

910
00:57:13,059 --> 00:57:15,059
Let me finish.

911
00:57:15,059 --> 00:57:17,059
One talk.

912
00:57:17,059 --> 00:57:18,059
Oh, I'm sorry, Jim.

913
00:57:18,059 --> 00:57:19,059
I thought you were done.

914
00:57:19,059 --> 00:57:20,320
One talk.

915
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,320
Go ahead.

916
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,320
Well, essentially, the AO is enforcing the laws that are written by the planning board, right?

917
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,320
ZBA is doing the exact same thing.

918
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:27,320
Yeah.

919
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,320
So this is what I'm on the exact same thing.

920
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:33,320
I actually have been trying to talk, and only Jim is the one who is speaking.

921
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,320
That's okay.

922
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,320
Go ahead.

923
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:43,320
Anyways, so I just want to make sure that everybody understands the fact that the Planning Commission, I'm the vice chair.

924
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,500
Stephanie Shelburne is the chairperson.

925
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:54,500
What Jed has anything to do with is that I have no clue where that came from or why it ever came up.

926
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:57,500
We're just all in this together.

927
00:57:57,500 --> 00:57:59,500
No, I'm not kidding.

928
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:03,500
We take care of each other in the whole town, okay?

929
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:16,500
It's not just a competition to see how many boards we can be on and not have anything, you know, substance to say out of me other than wondering what we did last week, all right?

930
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:18,500
So that's the whole issue with that.

931
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:29,559
I'm just saying I agree with her on some of the things that they wrote, but I disagree on the fact that she really doesn't know what she's talking about.

932
00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:31,559
Again, this is the major problem.

933
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:32,559
I'm not kidding.

934
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:33,559
Okay.

935
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:43,559
So before we call on David, I agree with you, Curt, on there's so many perceived things in this town.

936
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:47,559
So I read which ones you can sit on, which ones you can't sit on.

937
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:50,559
Very, very few can you not sit on.

938
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:54,559
Most of them you can have joint board memberships.

939
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:58,559
And the reason is we get too many people that want to do it.

940
00:58:58,559 --> 00:58:59,559
This town's fortunate.

941
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:02,559
I've said that many times that we get people actually running against each other.

942
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:05,559
We have competition when it comes to elections.

943
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:10,559
That being said, the word perceived and the word ethics changes.

944
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:15,559
If I was to ask her a question and go all the way down and ask him, your ethics may be different.

945
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:17,559
Your perceptions are different.

946
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:30,780
That's why the only part of this letter I would like to address is if Jed is the ethics liaison and there's a complaint about his family,

947
00:59:30,780 --> 00:59:36,780
one of his family members, then I could see that being coming.

948
00:59:36,780 --> 00:59:41,260
So we would need, because I know when Doug was on, we had more than one.

949
00:59:41,260 --> 00:59:42,260
Correct.

950
00:59:42,260 --> 00:59:43,800
That's how you got it.

951
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,570
So we should look at that as a board.

952
00:59:46,570 --> 00:59:56,619
Other than that, if one of my family is a member of our board, there's no, that's not a conflict in my opinion.

953
00:59:56,619 --> 00:59:57,619
And that's what it is.

954
00:59:57,619 --> 00:59:59,619
Every one of these things are opinions.

955
00:59:59,619 --> 01:00:03,619
And that's where we've got to decide what's opinion and what's law.

956
01:00:03,619 --> 01:00:07,619
I mean, his vote was inconsequential.

957
01:00:07,619 --> 01:00:10,030
Well, I know.

958
01:00:10,030 --> 01:00:12,030
So even if Jed's eliminated, it's still four to zero.

959
01:00:12,030 --> 01:00:13,030
Right.

960
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:18,030
But we have had members in this town on three and four awards.

961
01:00:18,030 --> 01:00:27,599
Do we know it's illegal to have the AO be on the planning commission?

962
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:28,599
No.

963
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:30,599
It's not a violation.

964
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:31,599
It's not?

965
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:32,599
Do we know that?

966
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:33,599
Where does it say it?

967
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:34,599
It's an exception.

968
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:35,599
It's an exception.

969
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:40,599
I could have sat on there as a select board member.

970
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:45,599
I chose not to because of this whole perceived conflict.

971
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:47,599
That's why I didn't do it.

972
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:50,599
There's a perception that people may not agree with.

973
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:52,599
And that was your choice?

974
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:53,599
That was my choice.

975
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:56,599
I just did it because I knew all this was coming.

976
01:00:56,599 --> 01:01:01,599
When I became a selectman, and no offense to you at all, but you were on three boards.

977
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,599
You were a selectman when I came on.

978
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:04,599
You were on the planning committee.

979
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:05,599
You were on the zoning committee.

980
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:06,599
And actually, you were on the cemetery committee, or whatever that's called.

981
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:07,599
Conservation committee.

982
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:08,599
Conservation, yeah.

983
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:09,599
So you were on a lot of boards.

984
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:10,599
I mean, that's just the way it is.

985
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:11,599
But you never heard me bring one piece into it.

986
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:12,599
Well, I don't know.

987
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:13,599
I can't remember anything that you did.

988
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:14,599
That's not the point.

989
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:15,599
My point is that many people sit on different boards.

990
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:16,599
That's what I'm saying.

991
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:17,599
I'm not doing one.

992
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:18,599
Yeah.

993
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:19,599
Oh, no.

994
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:20,599
Of course.

995
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:21,599
I mean, Danny did.

996
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:22,599
David did.

997
01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:23,599
I don't know.

998
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:24,599
Kurt did.

999
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:25,599
Yeah.

1000
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:26,599
David did.

1001
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:27,599
I don't know.

1002
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:28,599
I don't know.

1003
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:29,599
I don't know.

1004
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:30,599
I don't know.

1005
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:31,599
I don't know.

1006
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:39,179
Just to clear up what's going on.

1007
01:01:39,179 --> 01:01:44,639
There is no, it is not illegal for the zoning officer to be on the planning commission.

1008
01:01:44,639 --> 01:01:54,250
In fact, when I was part of appointing dad, I said at the time, and to Jim, when I appointed

1009
01:01:54,250 --> 01:02:03,300
Jim, that even though it's not illegal, because you're developing new laws, and you're

1010
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:06,269
and then we have to adjudicate them.

1011
01:02:06,269 --> 01:02:10,739
You're right for conflict of interest.

1012
01:02:10,739 --> 01:02:12,840
I'd like to go right into my thing now.

1013
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,440
Are we done with this topic?

1014
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,119
No, I got one more comment for Kirk

1015
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:18,219
because it's important.

1016
01:02:18,219 --> 01:02:19,159
On this topic?

1017
01:02:19,159 --> 01:02:20,000
Yes.

1018
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:20,820
Okay.

1019
01:02:22,190 --> 01:02:26,159
To remove a position,

1020
01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:29,179
you have to have a unanimous decision.

1021
01:02:29,179 --> 01:02:33,219
So Jed can't vote because his wife is on me.

1022
01:02:34,449 --> 01:02:35,289
But let me finish.

1023
01:02:35,289 --> 01:02:36,969
Okay, but that's incorrect.

1024
01:02:36,969 --> 01:02:42,389
I know it was somebody here, Peter Gramlin,

1025
01:02:42,389 --> 01:02:47,269
and Jim took his position, so that left the position open.

1026
01:02:47,269 --> 01:02:52,349
And I don't know, watching the video

1027
01:02:52,349 --> 01:02:54,619
that you guys came up with this year should be off.

1028
01:02:54,619 --> 01:02:58,360
So to remove a member of a board

1029
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,599
in the middle of their term,

1030
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:02,860
you need a unanimous decision.

1031
01:03:02,860 --> 01:03:08,260
But to change the structure of the board, you do not.

1032
01:03:08,260 --> 01:03:10,500
So that's what we did, we changed the structure

1033
01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:10,860
of the board.

1034
01:03:10,860 --> 01:03:13,480
We went from nine to seven, no matter who it was.

1035
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:14,639
So he didn't have to vote.

1036
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:15,960
He probably shouldn't have voted.

1037
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,099
Well, that was up to him.

1038
01:03:17,099 --> 01:03:19,079
That would, like, Kirk said, it was important.

1039
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:21,619
How would you resolve the issue with him?

1040
01:03:21,619 --> 01:03:23,880
If it's more up than that, it's unanimous, isn't it?

1041
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:24,380
No.

1042
01:03:24,380 --> 01:03:27,059
He's got to be able to vote.

1043
01:03:27,059 --> 01:03:28,579
How would you even proceed if he can't vote?

1044
01:03:28,579 --> 01:03:29,579
You wouldn't.

1045
01:03:29,579 --> 01:03:30,739
You can't, right?

1046
01:03:30,739 --> 01:03:32,119
You can't.

1047
01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:36,309
I'm down with it if they say it backwards.

1048
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:38,559
Are we ready to go on to the next one?

1049
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:39,059
That's all I have.

1050
01:03:39,059 --> 01:03:40,659
But what I would like to do as a board,

1051
01:03:40,659 --> 01:03:41,500
I'd like to discuss it.

1052
01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:47,699
I'd like to discuss this for decision-making of,

1053
01:03:47,699 --> 01:03:54,400
to adjust some things.

1054
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,519
Because there are some things that, just like Jim said,

1055
01:03:56,519 --> 01:03:58,199
there are some things I agree with,

1056
01:03:58,199 --> 01:04:02,579
some things I disagree with, some things I feel are.

1057
01:04:02,579 --> 01:04:05,260
In order to do that, I don't think we have 15 minutes.

1058
01:04:05,260 --> 01:04:07,260
It's going to take a lot longer than 15 minutes.

1059
01:04:07,260 --> 01:04:11,659
And I think it should be among the board members at that moment.

1060
01:04:11,659 --> 01:04:15,079
I would like a little more time to read the letter.

1061
01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:16,579
This is the first I've heard of that,

1062
01:04:16,579 --> 01:04:19,699
because it's different than what we received.

1063
01:04:19,699 --> 01:04:20,780
So do we want to?

1064
01:04:20,780 --> 01:04:23,019
Do you want to save that for executive session tonight?

1065
01:04:23,019 --> 01:04:25,380
Well, I would like to at least bring it up.

1066
01:04:25,380 --> 01:04:27,280
Maybe we'll have to discuss it a little bit more.

1067
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,719
And I do feel we need to address it.

1068
01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:31,739
We can do that whenever.

1069
01:04:31,739 --> 01:04:36,099
You can put it on the next meeting with the ethics liaison

1070
01:04:36,099 --> 01:04:38,860
and ethics board, whatever, committee,

1071
01:04:38,860 --> 01:04:40,099
whatever you want to call it.

1072
01:04:40,099 --> 01:04:42,510
I had multiple people.

1073
01:04:42,510 --> 01:04:45,019
That just came up before it was done.

1074
01:04:45,019 --> 01:04:48,019
We had multiple people on it for that reason,

1075
01:04:48,019 --> 01:04:51,389
to make sure that there's no perceived conflict.

1076
01:04:51,389 --> 01:04:57,059
So we should look at that.

1077
01:04:57,059 --> 01:04:58,400
Did you see the letter today?

1078
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:03,980
It was from the select board, basically saying

1079
01:05:03,980 --> 01:05:10,239
that my complaint was discussed in executive session

1080
01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:11,840
and resolved.

1081
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:16,519
And I want to bring up two things about that.

1082
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:20,199
An open meeting violation cannot be

1083
01:05:20,199 --> 01:05:22,659
discussed in executive session.

1084
01:05:22,659 --> 01:05:24,480
The letter should have been read,

1085
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,159
because the letter I sent you said to be read.

1086
01:05:27,159 --> 01:05:31,440
And you should have adjudicated that in the open.

1087
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:39,059
So in itself, that's another violation on top of the violation

1088
01:05:39,059 --> 01:05:40,400
of the open meeting law.

1089
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:40,900
What's this?

1090
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:42,400
I don't know what you're talking about.

1091
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:42,900
Excuse me.

1092
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:45,039
I don't know what you're talking about.

1093
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:48,059
So and essentially, what happened?

1094
01:05:48,059 --> 01:05:48,559
What's this?

1095
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:50,260
The same one you just gave us?

1096
01:05:50,260 --> 01:05:50,760
I'm sorry.

1097
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,659
100 people.

1098
01:05:52,659 --> 01:05:53,159
What's that?

1099
01:05:53,159 --> 01:05:54,659
What you guys sent to me.

1100
01:05:54,659 --> 01:05:55,159
Oh, OK.

1101
01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:55,659
You can look at it.

1102
01:05:55,659 --> 01:05:57,159
What'd you say, John?

1103
01:05:57,159 --> 01:06:00,659
So there's a ton of 800 people we can't get along with.

1104
01:06:00,659 --> 01:06:01,159
OK.

1105
01:06:01,159 --> 01:06:01,659
Go on.

1106
01:06:01,659 --> 01:06:02,230
I'm sorry.

1107
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:02,730
Go on.

1108
01:06:02,730 --> 01:06:03,230
OK.

1109
01:06:03,230 --> 01:06:03,730
OK.

1110
01:06:03,730 --> 01:06:04,030
OK.

1111
01:06:04,030 --> 01:06:04,530
OK.

1112
01:06:04,530 --> 01:06:05,030
OK.

1113
01:06:05,030 --> 01:06:05,530
OK.

1114
01:06:05,530 --> 01:06:09,389
So there's two violations going on.

1115
01:06:09,389 --> 01:06:11,889
I was not allowed to speak during the meeting

1116
01:06:11,889 --> 01:06:12,989
when in the thing.

1117
01:06:12,989 --> 01:06:14,989
It was just my wife and I there.

1118
01:06:14,989 --> 01:06:16,289
They had a visitor.

1119
01:06:16,289 --> 01:06:22,389
They were talking about how to reorganize the ZBA to a DVR.

1120
01:06:22,389 --> 01:06:25,190
And after he was done, I wanted to say something first.

1121
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:25,989
They wouldn't let me.

1122
01:06:25,989 --> 01:06:28,489
They said, no, save it for after.

1123
01:06:28,489 --> 01:06:31,090
And all I have to do is listen to the tape.

1124
01:06:31,090 --> 01:06:32,690
It's all there.

1125
01:06:32,690 --> 01:06:33,889
Bottom line is, when I could say,

1126
01:06:33,889 --> 01:06:37,190
I raised my hand like this, 15 minutes,

1127
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:42,590
and anybody have a question, and somebody said, Dave Selva has one.

1128
01:06:42,590 --> 01:06:45,260
Well, I'm not letting him speak.

1129
01:06:45,260 --> 01:06:50,760
And I said, excuse me, I have one question to ask this person

1130
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:55,159
from the ZBA regarding the ZBA versus the DVR.

1131
01:06:55,159 --> 01:06:58,159
I just wanted to know what the benefits were.

1132
01:06:58,159 --> 01:06:59,659
I'm not for it or against it.

1133
01:06:59,659 --> 01:07:00,760
I just wanted him.

1134
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:01,760
He's there.

1135
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,260
That's the time to ask the guy the question.

1136
01:07:04,260 --> 01:07:07,659
So I was threatened to get thrown out, hollered at,

1137
01:07:07,659 --> 01:07:11,159
embarrassed me and my wife, terribly so.

1138
01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:14,360
And that's why, for the first time in my life in 50 years

1139
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,460
in this town, I wrote a letter saying, I'm not, I've had enough.

1140
01:07:17,460 --> 01:07:19,659
I'm not taking it anymore.

1141
01:07:19,659 --> 01:07:24,659
I was hoping that you would bring that up in a public meeting.

1142
01:07:24,659 --> 01:07:27,659
It wasn't on the notes that your wife wrote.

1143
01:07:27,659 --> 01:07:30,860
And the only way you could find it is on the tape,

1144
01:07:30,860 --> 01:07:33,719
to listen to it, plus we were here.

1145
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:38,869
That whole thing should have been discussed in an open meeting,

1146
01:07:38,869 --> 01:07:43,320
not executive session, positioned to solve for another violation.

1147
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,920
So where I stand now, it was 14 days long before I got this letter.

1148
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,619
So that's a denial.

1149
01:07:49,619 --> 01:07:52,920
My only recourse from you, that's a denial.

1150
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,519
My only recourse now is either to take it up to the attorney general

1151
01:07:56,519 --> 01:08:02,320
or the superior court over in Bankton.

1152
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,619
All I, in my letter, do you have the letter in 18?

1153
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,679
I did, I probably left it.

1154
01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:10,909
Well, it was an email.

1155
01:08:10,909 --> 01:08:14,909
I, it was an email signed, it was a letter.

1156
01:08:14,909 --> 01:08:17,939
I, I didn't even have a letter.

1157
01:08:17,939 --> 01:08:23,579
But the bottom line simply is I asked for, what do you want?

1158
01:08:23,579 --> 01:08:31,500
And on the bottom, I put on it, I just want Peter to allow me to have a say,

1159
01:08:31,500 --> 01:08:34,699
like everybody else in town, and not to be treated.

1160
01:08:34,699 --> 01:08:36,199
Jim, you were there.

1161
01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:38,899
I asked for the board to vote, and what did you guys do?

1162
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:45,260
Because they had a right to vote over I, Peter, to let me say something.

1163
01:08:45,260 --> 01:08:46,260
What did you do, Jim?

1164
01:08:46,260 --> 01:08:48,090
I didn't move down.

1165
01:08:48,090 --> 01:08:49,590
Yeah, he ignored you.

1166
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:51,439
He ignored you.

1167
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:52,439
I wasn't the chair.

1168
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:53,439
I'm talking about the board.

1169
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:54,939
No, you're bringing my name up.

1170
01:08:54,939 --> 01:08:56,439
You're accusing me of something.

1171
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:57,939
No, you were one of them.

1172
01:08:57,939 --> 01:09:00,670
Everybody on the board ignored it.

1173
01:09:00,670 --> 01:09:01,670
So right or wrong?

1174
01:09:01,670 --> 01:09:04,670
So, listen, guys, I'm not the chair.

1175
01:09:04,670 --> 01:09:06,170
This board either.

1176
01:09:06,170 --> 01:09:07,670
Well, let me tell you where I stand.

1177
01:09:07,670 --> 01:09:09,869
Yeah, let me tell you where I stand with this.

1178
01:09:10,670 --> 01:09:18,619
To drag the town through this, this is open meeting violations are not good, okay?

1179
01:09:18,619 --> 01:09:20,119
It can get you in a lot of trouble.

1180
01:09:20,119 --> 01:09:23,619
You're already violating it, but not going public with it.

1181
01:09:23,619 --> 01:09:26,619
And the fact of what Peter did is, I paid him.

1182
01:09:26,619 --> 01:09:27,619
Okay.

1183
01:09:27,619 --> 01:09:31,119
I'm not here to create issues.

1184
01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:35,649
I simply said in that letter, treat me with a little bit of respect.

1185
01:09:35,649 --> 01:09:38,649
And I'll tell you what, we always have respect in this town.

1186
01:09:38,649 --> 01:09:40,649
I think the date was stopped.

1187
01:09:41,149 --> 01:09:44,689
So, that's what I have to say about this.

1188
01:09:44,689 --> 01:09:46,189
What do you want me to do?

1189
01:09:46,189 --> 01:09:47,189
I'll leave it to you.

1190
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:54,609
Well, I believe what the letter said is to address and make the board aware of the open meeting law.

1191
01:09:54,609 --> 01:09:57,149
That doesn't address the matter.

1192
01:09:57,149 --> 01:10:02,149
So, we sent a letter to the chairmen of the board to read this and make the...

1193
01:10:02,149 --> 01:10:03,149
She never addressed.

1194
01:10:03,149 --> 01:10:05,149
You never addressed the violation.

1195
01:10:05,149 --> 01:10:07,340
Well, you didn't publicly say...

1196
01:10:07,340 --> 01:10:08,340
Well, he's the one.

1197
01:10:08,340 --> 01:10:09,340
I just...

1198
01:10:09,340 --> 01:10:13,590
I wanted Peter Greenbush publicly...

1199
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:16,090
Publicly say, hey, I was out of line.

1200
01:10:16,090 --> 01:10:17,090
I shouldn't have done it.

1201
01:10:17,090 --> 01:10:18,090
That would have made it easy.

1202
01:10:18,090 --> 01:10:20,090
Well, I don't think it's going to happen because you resigned.

1203
01:10:20,090 --> 01:10:21,090
Yeah.

1204
01:10:21,090 --> 01:10:22,090
Why?

1205
01:10:22,090 --> 01:10:23,090
I don't know.

1206
01:10:23,090 --> 01:10:24,090
I don't know either.

1207
01:10:24,090 --> 01:10:26,090
Well, you say we didn't address it.

1208
01:10:26,090 --> 01:10:31,090
I'm not sure if the violation, the second violation is what you're talking about is or not.

1209
01:10:31,090 --> 01:10:32,090
I'll look at it.

1210
01:10:32,090 --> 01:10:33,090
That's okay.

1211
01:10:33,090 --> 01:10:34,090
I'll look at it.

1212
01:10:34,090 --> 01:10:35,090
I can look it up.

1213
01:10:35,090 --> 01:10:36,090
I'm fine.

1214
01:10:36,090 --> 01:10:37,090
No, you don't have to.

1215
01:10:37,090 --> 01:10:38,090
I got it right here.

1216
01:10:38,090 --> 01:10:42,590
You know, Dave, it wouldn't be the first time someone presented me with a law that I looked at and it was changed.

1217
01:10:42,590 --> 01:10:43,590
So, I always want to...

1218
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:44,590
All right.

1219
01:10:44,590 --> 01:10:45,590
Looking up today's laws.

1220
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:49,090
Whenever that happens with me after 50 years, you let me know.

1221
01:10:49,090 --> 01:10:50,090
I will.

1222
01:10:50,090 --> 01:10:51,090
Okay.

1223
01:10:51,090 --> 01:10:52,090
So, I'm just...

1224
01:10:52,090 --> 01:10:53,090
I don't want to change anything.

1225
01:10:53,090 --> 01:10:54,090
Right now, I'm just saying I'll look it up.

1226
01:10:54,090 --> 01:10:58,090
Well, nevertheless, during that executive session, we did address it.

1227
01:10:58,090 --> 01:11:02,090
We did come out with it in public and said we were going to let all board members be

1228
01:11:02,090 --> 01:11:04,090
aware of it and we were going to tell the board...

1229
01:11:04,090 --> 01:11:08,090
Send a letter to board members to be aware of these open meeting laws.

1230
01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:09,090
I saw...

1231
01:11:09,090 --> 01:11:12,090
You know, kind of pay attention because we're all volunteers pretty much.

1232
01:11:12,090 --> 01:11:13,090
Yeah.

1233
01:11:13,090 --> 01:11:14,090
We're going to do that.

1234
01:11:14,090 --> 01:11:15,090
25 hours a year.

1235
01:11:15,090 --> 01:11:16,090
That's all right.

1236
01:11:16,090 --> 01:11:17,090
But you're getting more depressed.

1237
01:11:17,090 --> 01:11:18,090
Hey, notice the more time in the year than me.

1238
01:11:18,090 --> 01:11:21,090
So, when you guys are volunteers, I understand.

1239
01:11:21,090 --> 01:11:22,090
You know, we make mistakes.

1240
01:11:22,090 --> 01:11:23,090
I get it.

1241
01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:24,090
You know, so...

1242
01:11:24,090 --> 01:11:25,090
And I'm not trying to...

1243
01:11:25,090 --> 01:11:26,090
Nope.

1244
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:27,090
I understand.

1245
01:11:27,090 --> 01:11:28,090
I think I've been really...

1246
01:11:28,090 --> 01:11:29,090
What I could have done is not said anything.

1247
01:11:29,090 --> 01:11:30,090
You know, Dave, I'm being really nice too.

1248
01:11:30,090 --> 01:11:31,090
Every time I talk, you keep talking.

1249
01:11:31,090 --> 01:11:32,090
So, I'm being very nice.

1250
01:11:32,090 --> 01:11:33,090
Give me a break.

1251
01:11:33,090 --> 01:11:34,090
Right, man?

1252
01:11:34,090 --> 01:11:35,090
I'm just saying.

1253
01:11:35,090 --> 01:11:36,090
I'll look for...

1254
01:11:36,090 --> 01:11:37,090
I won't move my hat.

1255
01:11:37,090 --> 01:11:38,090
Go ahead.

1256
01:11:38,090 --> 01:11:39,090
No, no.

1257
01:11:39,090 --> 01:11:40,090
I'm just saying.

1258
01:11:40,090 --> 01:11:41,090
I'm listening to you.

1259
01:11:41,090 --> 01:11:42,090
You know, and when I...

1260
01:11:42,090 --> 01:11:43,090
I'm listening to you.

1261
01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:44,090
Well, you are now.

1262
01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:45,090
But you weren't.

1263
01:11:45,090 --> 01:11:46,090
Okay?

1264
01:11:46,090 --> 01:11:47,090
So, I mean...

1265
01:11:47,090 --> 01:11:48,090
Sorry.

1266
01:11:48,090 --> 01:11:49,090
Okay.

1267
01:11:49,090 --> 01:11:50,090
I apologize.

1268
01:11:50,090 --> 01:11:51,090
You know.

1269
01:11:51,090 --> 01:11:52,090
You've done...

1270
01:11:52,090 --> 01:11:53,090
You've run a meeting before.

1271
01:11:53,090 --> 01:11:54,090
You know.

1272
01:11:54,090 --> 01:11:55,090
It's tough to keep your head going when someone keeps going.

1273
01:11:55,090 --> 01:11:56,090
Yeah.

1274
01:11:56,090 --> 01:11:57,090
I understand.

1275
01:11:57,090 --> 01:11:58,090
So, again, I have all the respect and award for all you board members.

1276
01:11:58,090 --> 01:11:59,090
Every single one of you.

1277
01:11:59,090 --> 01:12:00,090
I told you guys this a million times.

1278
01:12:00,090 --> 01:12:08,689
And I thought we did address it if we did make a violation when it comes to this board,

1279
01:12:08,689 --> 01:12:09,689
because it's not really a second violation.

1280
01:12:09,689 --> 01:12:10,189
Okay.

1281
01:12:10,189 --> 01:12:11,189
It's the first violation of this board.

1282
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:12,189
It's the first violation of this board.

1283
01:12:12,189 --> 01:12:13,220
Right?

1284
01:12:13,220 --> 01:12:14,220
No.

1285
01:12:14,220 --> 01:12:15,220
It's the second one.

1286
01:12:15,220 --> 01:12:18,220
And this board, if we did make a violation in the executive...

1287
01:12:18,220 --> 01:12:19,220
By going to an executive session...

1288
01:12:19,220 --> 01:12:20,220
I said...

1289
01:12:20,220 --> 01:12:21,220
I apologize for that.

1290
01:12:21,220 --> 01:12:22,220
Okay.

1291
01:12:22,220 --> 01:12:23,220
And we will try not to do that again.

1292
01:12:23,220 --> 01:12:25,220
So, there's your public apology from this board.

1293
01:12:25,220 --> 01:12:26,220
Thank you.

1294
01:12:26,220 --> 01:12:32,220
I just said that by what you did created another violation.

1295
01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:33,220
No.

1296
01:12:33,220 --> 01:12:34,220
Not that you did.

1297
01:12:34,220 --> 01:12:35,220
Okay.

1298
01:12:35,220 --> 01:12:36,220
You didn't tell me to get out of the meeting.

1299
01:12:36,220 --> 01:12:37,220
No.

1300
01:12:37,220 --> 01:12:38,220
All right.

1301
01:12:38,220 --> 01:12:39,220
If they ever had done...

1302
01:12:39,220 --> 01:12:40,220
You know.

1303
01:12:40,220 --> 01:12:42,220
The worst guys, as a matter of fact, we can't.

1304
01:12:42,220 --> 01:12:47,060
Yeah.

1305
01:12:47,060 --> 01:12:48,060
You know, the real thing I've already...

1306
01:12:48,060 --> 01:12:49,060
Let me just keep my head still.

1307
01:12:49,060 --> 01:12:51,060
I'm a big believer in the Fifth Amendment.

1308
01:12:51,060 --> 01:12:52,060
Well, thank you.

1309
01:12:52,060 --> 01:12:53,060
Being...

1310
01:12:53,060 --> 01:12:54,060
Everybody being able to do that.

1311
01:12:54,060 --> 01:12:55,060
So...

1312
01:12:55,060 --> 01:12:56,060
If you want to...

1313
01:12:56,060 --> 01:12:59,060
You know, we let people go more than five minutes every single Thursday that we have

1314
01:12:59,060 --> 01:13:00,060
these meetings.

1315
01:13:00,060 --> 01:13:01,060
And I...

1316
01:13:01,060 --> 01:13:02,060
You can look up the statute.

1317
01:13:02,060 --> 01:13:03,060
I know that I have it here.

1318
01:13:03,060 --> 01:13:07,350
And it's just a call from the LCD Trust.

1319
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:10,350
So, my point is, I'm not interested in vagueness.

1320
01:13:10,350 --> 01:13:13,850
You can give me the statute, the law that you're talking about, and I'll write it down

1321
01:13:13,850 --> 01:13:14,350
there.

1322
01:13:14,350 --> 01:13:15,350
And I'll look it up.

1323
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:16,350
What was that?

1324
01:13:16,350 --> 01:13:17,350
Second time of five years.

1325
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:18,350
That'll give me a start.

1326
01:13:18,350 --> 01:13:19,350
Yeah.

1327
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:20,350
I think I have it.

1328
01:13:20,350 --> 01:13:21,350
But I already apologized for it.

1329
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:25,359
No, no.

1330
01:13:25,359 --> 01:13:26,359
Thank you.

1331
01:13:26,359 --> 01:13:36,340
I mean, to me, it can be rectified by reading what happened in the public and to come up

1332
01:13:36,340 --> 01:13:37,340
with whatever retribution it is.

1333
01:13:37,340 --> 01:13:38,340
Peter left and there's...

1334
01:13:38,340 --> 01:13:39,340
Yeah.

1335
01:13:39,340 --> 01:13:40,340
...no retribution.

1336
01:13:40,340 --> 01:13:41,850
Yes.

1337
01:13:41,850 --> 01:13:42,850
Right?

1338
01:13:42,850 --> 01:13:43,850
He's not...

1339
01:13:43,850 --> 01:13:44,850
Okay.

1340
01:13:44,850 --> 01:13:45,850
So, do you have the letter made?

1341
01:13:45,850 --> 01:13:46,850
You can read the letter tonight.

1342
01:13:46,850 --> 01:13:47,850
I have a question.

1343
01:13:47,850 --> 01:13:51,090
Yeah.

1344
01:13:51,090 --> 01:13:54,090
Do you have it, Dave, or do I have to address you?

1345
01:13:54,090 --> 01:13:55,090
Just go ahead.

1346
01:13:55,090 --> 01:13:56,090
Yeah.

1347
01:13:56,090 --> 01:14:00,090
Dave, can I ask you what the violation was?

1348
01:14:00,090 --> 01:14:04,399
Peter not letting me speak?

1349
01:14:04,399 --> 01:14:05,500
Right.

1350
01:14:05,500 --> 01:14:06,500
That was the violation?

1351
01:14:06,500 --> 01:14:07,500
Which I...

1352
01:14:07,500 --> 01:14:10,199
I mean, I'll go on record.

1353
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:15,239
I wasn't able to speak at that time.

1354
01:14:15,239 --> 01:14:18,239
But I don't think it was a violation.

1355
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:19,239
I think...

1356
01:14:19,239 --> 01:14:24,850
Isn't it the Chair's prerogative to only have people speak?

1357
01:14:24,850 --> 01:14:28,000
It is.

1358
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,279
That's my question.

1359
01:14:30,279 --> 01:14:31,279
That's my only question.

1360
01:14:31,279 --> 01:14:32,279
I'm not asking...

1361
01:14:32,279 --> 01:14:37,279
And when I went to speak during the hearing of visitors, listen to the tape, what was

1362
01:14:37,279 --> 01:14:38,279
said?

1363
01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:39,279
Oh, I don't...

1364
01:14:39,279 --> 01:14:40,279
Oh, you don't remember that part?

1365
01:14:40,279 --> 01:14:41,310
I...

1366
01:14:41,310 --> 01:14:42,310
Jim said, let's save it until after the thing.

1367
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:43,310
Which is fine.

1368
01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:44,310
There was nothing wrong with that.

1369
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:45,310
Until that time.

1370
01:14:45,310 --> 01:14:46,310
So, I didn't say anything.

1371
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:47,310
But then when I went to speak, it kicked me out.

1372
01:14:47,310 --> 01:14:48,310
I get it.

1373
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:49,310
Some boards...

1374
01:14:49,310 --> 01:14:50,310
Some boards...

1375
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:51,310
Dave, I looked into this.

1376
01:14:51,310 --> 01:14:52,310
Some boards allow hearing of visitors at the beginning.

1377
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:53,439
Okay.

1378
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:54,439
So, I didn't say anything.

1379
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:55,439
But then when I went to speak, it kicked me out.

1380
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:56,439
I get it.

1381
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:57,439
Some boards...

1382
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:58,439
Some boards...

1383
01:14:58,439 --> 01:14:59,439
Dave, I looked into this.

1384
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:00,439
Some boards allow hearing of visitors at the beginning.

1385
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:01,439
And no other comments through the whole meeting.

1386
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:02,439
Yep.

1387
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:03,439
Had no problem.

1388
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:04,439
But it depends on the board.

1389
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:05,529
But like Mike said...

1390
01:15:05,529 --> 01:15:06,529
Had no problem.

1391
01:15:06,529 --> 01:15:07,529
We just let people give us their opinion during the meeting and...

1392
01:15:07,529 --> 01:15:08,529
Yeah.

1393
01:15:08,529 --> 01:15:09,529
So, again, I don't want to go too deep into it.

1394
01:15:09,529 --> 01:15:10,529
Wait, Diane.

1395
01:15:10,529 --> 01:15:11,529
Wait.

1396
01:15:11,529 --> 01:15:12,529
But I really believe that if...

1397
01:15:12,529 --> 01:15:13,529
Again, if they had hearing of visitors and they were asked to wait until afterwards,

1398
01:15:13,529 --> 01:15:14,529
that's another whole story.

1399
01:15:14,529 --> 01:15:15,529
If they...

1400
01:15:15,529 --> 01:15:16,529
If they allow other people to talk and only they are not to talk, that's another story.

1401
01:15:16,529 --> 01:15:17,529
That's what happened.

1402
01:15:17,529 --> 01:15:18,529
So...

1403
01:15:18,529 --> 01:15:19,529
So...

1404
01:15:19,529 --> 01:15:20,529
So...

1405
01:15:20,529 --> 01:15:21,529
So...

1406
01:15:21,529 --> 01:15:22,529
So...

1407
01:15:22,529 --> 01:15:23,529
So...

1408
01:15:23,529 --> 01:15:24,529
So...

1409
01:15:24,529 --> 01:15:25,529
So...

1410
01:15:25,529 --> 01:15:26,529
So...

1411
01:15:26,529 --> 01:15:27,529
So...

1412
01:15:27,529 --> 01:15:28,529
So...

1413
01:15:28,529 --> 01:15:29,529
So...

1414
01:15:29,529 --> 01:15:30,529
Well...

1415
01:15:30,529 --> 01:15:31,529
I mean, there's a lot to this and I think we can, you know...

1416
01:15:31,529 --> 01:15:32,529
I dressed that up.

1417
01:15:32,529 --> 01:15:35,529
But I would like to...

1418
01:15:35,529 --> 01:15:37,750
As far as I'm concerned it's actually pretty simple.

1419
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:41,329
Dave said he's asking for us to address it.

1420
01:15:41,329 --> 01:15:42,489
We're addressing it.

1421
01:15:42,489 --> 01:15:44,149
I don't think we need to go too much more on this.

1422
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:45,149
I...

1423
01:15:45,149 --> 01:15:50,189
Peter's now not on a board anymore so we can't really ask him to do anything.

1424
01:15:50,189 --> 01:15:54,890
This board, at least I did, I don't know if the rest of the board agrees with me, but

1425
01:15:54,890 --> 01:15:55,890
we did have a violation.

1426
01:15:55,890 --> 01:15:56,890
We apologize...

1427
01:15:56,890 --> 01:15:57,890
We try to do better at that.

1428
01:15:57,890 --> 01:15:58,890
Because we do make mistakes.

1429
01:15:58,890 --> 01:15:59,189
Yeah.

1430
01:15:59,529 --> 01:16:06,529
If you would like that letter read and the rest of this board doesn't have a problem with that, I wouldn't have a problem with that either.

1431
01:16:06,529 --> 01:16:11,529
I think for transparency and to stop what Dan said earlier, and I agree with him,

1432
01:16:11,529 --> 01:16:16,529
the friction in this town, doing that goes a long way in medicine.

1433
01:16:16,529 --> 01:16:18,529
It's just not going to sell, okay?

1434
01:16:18,529 --> 01:16:21,529
Other people. I mean, I have been here a long time.

1435
01:16:21,529 --> 01:16:26,529
Lisa, I mean, not to create more friction, but it is good that we record meetings

1436
01:16:26,529 --> 01:16:29,529
because I also write my minutes that you mentioned.

1437
01:16:29,529 --> 01:16:34,529
I did mention that if you read my minutes also, there was a hearing of visitors

1438
01:16:34,529 --> 01:16:42,079
and neither Salvo wanted to raise their hand or to speak at all during the hearing of visitors.

1439
01:16:42,079 --> 01:16:43,079
That's not true.

1440
01:16:43,079 --> 01:16:44,079
I'm speaking to you.

1441
01:16:44,079 --> 01:16:46,079
And so then we moved on.

1442
01:16:46,079 --> 01:16:47,079
It's not true.

1443
01:16:47,079 --> 01:16:52,079
And then David wanted to question the speaker, but it is the prerogative of the chair

1444
01:16:52,079 --> 01:16:57,079
to then let the audience or observers then ask questions of our speaker.

1445
01:16:57,079 --> 01:16:58,079
Right.

1446
01:16:58,079 --> 01:17:00,079
Like we did tonight with the nationals.

1447
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:05,079
David chose not to, and the hearing of visitors was an open time to speak.

1448
01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:06,079
And that's how we handled it.

1449
01:17:06,079 --> 01:17:10,079
Well, I did get to talk to the individual from DCLC.

1450
01:17:10,079 --> 01:17:18,079
I would like to actually read the letter, push forward, and just move forward on this.

1451
01:17:18,079 --> 01:17:22,079
As a town issue, move forward.

1452
01:17:22,079 --> 01:17:24,079
It's got to stop.

1453
01:17:24,079 --> 01:17:27,079
Well, that's what I was going to say, Dave.

1454
01:17:27,079 --> 01:17:33,079
Because I hope that the new chairman of any board, when we just restructure them all,

1455
01:17:33,079 --> 01:17:38,079
will take this matter and start watching it a little bit better and make sure there's no problem.

1456
01:17:38,079 --> 01:17:39,079
I have no problem.

1457
01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:41,079
Now, Diane had a question.

1458
01:17:41,079 --> 01:17:42,079
That's right.

1459
01:17:42,079 --> 01:17:49,079
The only problem was the man was leaving, and that was the only time that you had available

1460
01:17:49,079 --> 01:17:51,079
to ask the question.

1461
01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:54,079
And he shut them down, and the man left.

1462
01:17:54,079 --> 01:17:56,079
That's the way you shut them down, too.

1463
01:17:56,079 --> 01:17:57,079
On call.

1464
01:17:57,079 --> 01:17:58,079
He was there.

1465
01:17:58,079 --> 01:17:59,430
He was there.

1466
01:17:59,430 --> 01:18:00,430
Okay.

1467
01:18:00,430 --> 01:18:01,430
Anybody going to support me on that?

1468
01:18:01,430 --> 01:18:02,430
That was at the meeting.

1469
01:18:02,430 --> 01:18:03,430
I want to go back to Sheila's letter.

1470
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:04,430
There you go.

1471
01:18:04,430 --> 01:18:05,430
That type of attitude, that's why I made you get to that.

1472
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:06,430
The bottom line is Peter's gone, so we can't do much with him now.

1473
01:18:06,430 --> 01:18:07,430
There's a new chairman.

1474
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:08,430
Hopefully this doesn't happen, and we move forward as a town and get things done.

1475
01:18:08,430 --> 01:18:09,430
Because I put the money in the bank, and I'm not going to do anything else.

1476
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:10,430
I'm going to get the money.

1477
01:18:10,430 --> 01:18:11,430
I'm going to get the money.

1478
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:12,430
I'm going to get the money.

1479
01:18:12,430 --> 01:18:13,430
I'm going to get the money.

1480
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:14,430
I'm going to get the money.

1481
01:18:14,430 --> 01:18:15,430
I'm going to get the money.

1482
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:16,430
I'm going to get the money.

1483
01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:17,430
I'm going to get the money.

1484
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:24,430
So could we wait just a minute then until Lori gets the letter, and I won't ask any

1485
01:18:24,430 --> 01:18:28,310
other questions on any other topic?

1486
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:30,310
I'll wait until Lori gets the letter.

1487
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:37,250
I was looking up the file on the shoes roll.

1488
01:18:37,250 --> 01:18:39,659
I'll send it.

1489
01:18:39,659 --> 01:18:44,319
Just email it to me.

1490
01:18:44,319 --> 01:18:47,020
You can email it to me personally.

1491
01:18:47,020 --> 01:18:47,819
I'll get the money.

1492
01:18:47,819 --> 01:18:52,859
I did come across something about the planning commission,

1493
01:18:53,619 --> 01:18:58,340
and they did talk about open meeting violations.

1494
01:18:58,340 --> 01:19:01,979
You meant, excuse me, a chairperson resigning

1495
01:19:01,979 --> 01:19:04,039
due to open meeting violations.

1496
01:19:04,039 --> 01:19:07,739
If the decision to reduce the board from nine to seven

1497
01:19:07,739 --> 01:19:10,520
was discussed in private gatherings

1498
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,039
between any board members,

1499
01:19:13,039 --> 01:19:17,920
this would be considered a violation, DSA 310-3, right?

1500
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,100
Any person who filed a written notice of violation

1501
01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:22,239
from the select board, the board has a time frame

1502
01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:24,460
to admit the violation and cure it,

1503
01:19:24,460 --> 01:19:26,520
which might involve avoiding the vote

1504
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,689
that reduced the board.

1505
01:19:29,689 --> 01:19:34,100
So, she's, I mean, that's her perception.

1506
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:37,989
It's up to you with what you want to do with it.

1507
01:19:37,989 --> 01:19:38,829
Got it.

1508
01:19:38,829 --> 01:19:42,859
That part of it, and again, that's Sheila's part.

1509
01:19:42,859 --> 01:19:59,699
But for now, any ethical, any ethical situation.

1510
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:01,880
We can discuss our structure.

1511
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:02,920
We can discuss that.

1512
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:03,920
I don't want you to lose your stuff, that's true.

1513
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,149
Oh, and it says one last thing,

1514
01:20:05,149 --> 01:20:06,149
that the fact that the board size

1515
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:07,149
has changed multiple times in the last six years,

1516
01:20:07,149 --> 01:20:08,149
and it has.

1517
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:09,500
It's changed the planning five times.

1518
01:20:09,500 --> 01:20:10,819
You've brought people in, brought people out,

1519
01:20:10,819 --> 01:20:15,239
tried to remove people.

1520
01:20:15,239 --> 01:20:16,239
I mean, this may be the best board you ever had, Jim,

1521
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:17,239
but it's the most weird thing I've ever seen

1522
01:20:17,239 --> 01:20:18,239
of trying to manipulate who's going to do what.

1523
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:19,239
I don't know.

1524
01:20:19,239 --> 01:20:20,279
I don't know.

1525
01:20:20,279 --> 01:20:21,279
I don't know.

1526
01:20:21,279 --> 01:20:22,279
I don't know.

1527
01:20:22,279 --> 01:20:23,279
I don't know.

1528
01:20:23,279 --> 01:20:24,279
I don't know.

1529
01:20:24,279 --> 01:20:25,279
I don't know.

1530
01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:26,689
I don't know.

1531
01:20:26,689 --> 01:20:27,689
I don't know.

1532
01:20:27,689 --> 01:20:28,689
I don't know.

1533
01:20:28,689 --> 01:20:29,689
I don't know.

1534
01:20:29,689 --> 01:20:30,880
I don't know.

1535
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:31,880
I don't know.

1536
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:32,880
I don't know.

1537
01:20:38,109 --> 01:20:39,109
Yeah, the board inbound.

1538
01:20:39,109 --> 01:20:41,680
That's all I have to say.

1539
01:20:41,680 --> 01:21:02,680
It's named inbound.

1540
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:10,029
I'd like to come to the second section as well.

1541
01:21:10,029 --> 01:21:11,050
On what?

1542
01:21:11,050 --> 01:21:13,319
On the one with Sheila.

1543
01:21:13,319 --> 01:21:14,319
Okay.

1544
01:21:14,319 --> 01:21:17,220
We can hear you're tired of it,

1545
01:21:17,220 --> 01:21:19,079
if you have to leave after this.

1546
01:21:19,079 --> 01:21:20,720
Absolutely.

1547
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:22,720
Hear the relevance?

1548
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:23,760
So I'm going to read Dave's letter in open meeting.

1549
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:24,760
I believe that has to be .

1550
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:29,159
Dear,, Laurie I'm asking this letter to be given

1551
01:21:29,159 --> 01:21:30,159
to you, Select Board and the chair of the planning committee,

1552
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:31,159
the chair and so forth,

1553
01:21:31,159 --> 01:21:32,159
that you consider these vetting as not applicable

1554
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:33,159
for decent and easy 괜찮ing of land.

1555
01:21:33,159 --> 01:21:33,659
We have a motion to hear the finance rollout.

1556
01:21:33,659 --> 01:21:49,060
Peter Greenbush, I am including the posting of the meeting where public discussion is allowed, but was not given the opportunity, but resulted in being told by Mr. Greenbush, I would be ejected if I kept pursuing the right to speak so plainly written on the agenda.

1557
01:21:49,060 --> 01:22:13,119
Open meeting violation during planning board meeting on Monday, February 16, 2026 between 6.15 and 6.30 by Chairman Peter Greenbush, Chair of the Planning Commission, not allowing public comment or asking questions regarding the visit and explanation of how to change the CBA to a DRB by a member of the BCRC.

1558
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:17,039
Diane Saldo and I were only members of the public present.

1559
01:22:17,260 --> 01:22:20,539
The full board of the Planning Commission was present along with zoning officers.

1560
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:32,659
Deborah Burchard, I was told to give a call outside the meeting to the BCRC member and to put my questions and address them to Peter Greenbush.

1561
01:22:33,060 --> 01:22:34,460
I only had one question.

1562
01:22:35,319 --> 01:22:48,489
As a citizen, I wanted to ask what was the advantage from moving to another body than the present CBA to a DRB after the gentleman from BCRC was finished.

1563
01:22:48,710 --> 01:22:50,569
As I have no opinion either.

1564
01:22:50,890 --> 01:22:57,489
I wanted to understand why the Planning Commission was investigating this without letting the CBA be part of the process.

1565
01:22:57,689 --> 01:23:01,010
I was told to shut up or I was going to be thrown out of the meeting.

1566
01:23:01,430 --> 01:23:04,989
This was embarrassing to both my wife and I to be treated in this manner.

1567
01:23:05,710 --> 01:23:13,229
I am asking the select board to conduct an investigation, listening to the recorded tape and all participants present.

1568
01:23:13,229 --> 01:23:19,289
I would also ask the town clerk to read my complaint during the upcoming select board meeting on Thursday, February 19,

1569
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:20,670
and to enter the letter of consent.

1570
01:23:20,970 --> 01:23:27,260
I am giving fair notice of the law for this to be reviewed.

1571
01:23:27,260 --> 01:23:32,260
This continual harassment through false accusation on my character needs to be addressed.

1572
01:23:32,260 --> 01:23:43,260
It is beyond the point of ridiculous that I continue to be attacked by Peter Greenbush and others through false accusations when the facts of what is going on has been recorded.

1573
01:23:43,260 --> 01:23:49,859
Every man has his limits and unfortunately many of us do not have the age or vigor to fend off these vicious attacks.

1574
01:23:49,859 --> 01:23:50,859
The double standards.

1575
01:23:51,060 --> 01:23:55,060
I want to express my gratitude to the President to the board for this, for the process that is going on with several of these boards for the address.

1576
01:23:55,060 --> 01:23:57,060
Thank you for your consideration, David Sala.

1577
01:23:58,060 --> 01:23:59,060
Thank you.

1578
01:23:59,060 --> 01:24:01,060
And then there's some law here.

1579
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:08,920
So we read the notice.

1580
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:30,060
We did address this in Executive Secretary Osborne's letter, designation letter during the open meeting.

1581
01:24:30,060 --> 01:24:33,279
Never heard?

1582
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:34,979
Well, he just, he said he resigned.

1583
01:24:34,979 --> 01:24:35,979
Oh, okay.

1584
01:24:36,279 --> 01:24:50,819
So he resigned.

1585
01:24:51,119 --> 01:25:06,979
I thought you would ask to make the aware of the participants.

1586
01:25:06,979 --> 01:25:09,960
Oh, he's going to respect me.

1587
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:10,960
I think that was our decision.

1588
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:21,750
decision but that's because you didn't for anything else just to be made aware

1589
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:36,279
didn't I say to Peter I asked for my apology I made it as simple as Peter I just don't want to go to meetings

1590
01:25:36,279 --> 01:25:41,079
only that I can participate and have this done respectfully and without the malice I

1591
01:25:41,079 --> 01:25:50,140
continue to receive from any of the commission members this was Wednesday

1592
01:25:50,140 --> 01:26:00,239
February 25th no I had to redo them because I put Peter down as the chairman

1593
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:12,409
of the dollar so did we have a meeting on February 19th I think that was our

1594
01:26:12,409 --> 01:26:20,239
meeting I know but I don't think we had a quorum there

1595
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:31,100
we cancelled that meeting I just want to ask the select board how many of you listened to that planning commission recording because that would just simplify this

1596
01:26:31,100 --> 01:26:38,560
yeah right and that's what I would like to discuss later

1597
01:26:40,039 --> 01:26:49,960
good things in time so it's fresh

1598
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:59,189
basically I just well I thought really I'm saying at this point Dave I think we

1599
01:26:59,189 --> 01:27:05,119
did yes do you agree with that Peter's not a chair anymore we didn't

1600
01:27:05,119 --> 01:27:09,819
tell the rest of the chair you read it out we're good you know we apologize we're

1601
01:27:09,819 --> 01:27:15,640
good okay that's right thank you thank you

1602
01:27:17,649 --> 01:27:20,550
thank you

1603
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:29,699
okay we've now got a push-through of five different Brighton basins

1604
01:27:29,699 --> 01:27:41,869
in your letter requested action for four items for which we may or may not grant

1605
01:27:41,869 --> 01:27:47,420
all these requests because we're a board and we have to go along with board

1606
01:27:47,420 --> 01:27:53,380
decision and what the law is so we'll address them and we'll figure out what

1607
01:27:53,380 --> 01:27:55,180
we're doing

1608
01:27:55,180 --> 01:27:55,920
yes back years ago when David and I Kurt Danny and Iím a pickup visual actor so we got an appearance on Wednesday frame and that's the date of our former full board meeting and okay I goin anything else what would it do?

1609
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:56,380
yes there are a lot of um there is a lot of way to go but I think that's where things could both work because I can read as I oh and they are speaking more if there's anything I'm doing on the chopping knife or something I won't uh if anybody cares from that and I can rebuild the book up my laptop let's just get started okay I'll see myself in person

1610
01:27:57,380 --> 01:27:59,880
I can't remember the guy over on the lane by Barlow.

1611
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:00,960
Steve Bechtel.

1612
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:01,960
Steve Bechtel.

1613
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:02,960
Okay.

1614
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,460
And we were all on the board for planning.

1615
01:28:05,460 --> 01:28:11,319
We were going through things and we found where AC, BCA, CO, everyone, all those people

1616
01:28:11,319 --> 01:28:12,319
now.

1617
01:28:12,319 --> 01:28:17,199
They were the ones that were coming down and saying that we had, you know, one, two, and

1618
01:28:17,199 --> 01:28:22,399
three that we could go through and put out for the rules and regulations and stuff.

1619
01:28:22,399 --> 01:28:26,279
And we went through them and we found that that's where they were saying that they had

1620
01:28:26,279 --> 01:28:30,279
the goal to do the government in the town.

1621
01:28:30,279 --> 01:28:37,520
They didn't give the other two papers that said that it'd be like if you wanted to build

1622
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,359
something, you print it out.

1623
01:28:40,359 --> 01:28:41,359
You hand it in.

1624
01:28:41,359 --> 01:28:42,359
Yep.

1625
01:28:42,359 --> 01:28:47,899
Go through the laws in the town of Stanford, go in the laws that are written for the state.

1626
01:28:47,899 --> 01:28:49,899
That's how we handled it.

1627
01:28:49,899 --> 01:28:56,260
Because we felt that it was more, the person putting that in was more responsible and,

1628
01:28:56,260 --> 01:28:59,260
and knew what they wanted and we would understand it 100% better.

1629
01:28:59,260 --> 01:29:00,260
But he was setting the town up for failure.

1630
01:29:00,260 --> 01:29:01,260
Okay.

1631
01:29:01,260 --> 01:29:02,260
Basically they were saying no building in the floodplain for any reason or no reason.

1632
01:29:02,260 --> 01:29:03,260
There was three options.

1633
01:29:03,260 --> 01:29:04,260
The third option is the town has discretion for their own means and can go in front of

1634
01:29:04,260 --> 01:29:05,260
the ZVA.

1635
01:29:05,260 --> 01:29:06,260
So that's when we took that.

1636
01:29:06,260 --> 01:29:07,260
To build in the floodplain by altering the floodplain.

1637
01:29:07,260 --> 01:29:08,260
So then I wanted to say.

1638
01:29:08,260 --> 01:29:09,260
Which is stated in the agreement, by the way.

1639
01:29:09,260 --> 01:29:10,260
When we were in the meeting, when we were just the first ones out there in that, we

1640
01:29:10,260 --> 01:29:11,260
said, you know, we're going to build in the floodplain by altering the floodplain.

1641
01:29:11,260 --> 01:29:12,289
So then I wanted to say.

1642
01:29:12,289 --> 01:29:13,289
Which is stated in the agreement, by the way.

1643
01:29:13,289 --> 01:29:14,289
When we were in the meeting.

1644
01:29:14,289 --> 01:29:15,289
When we were just the first ones out there in that.

1645
01:29:15,289 --> 01:29:33,380
From that day on, I have never, I don't feel like I was part of the committee at all,

1646
01:29:33,380 --> 01:29:36,380
and I know Dave didn't feel it either.

1647
01:29:36,380 --> 01:29:37,380
Well, I started that.

1648
01:29:37,380 --> 01:29:42,380
Because we were sitting right there and we had a certain person and his wife stood up,

1649
01:29:42,380 --> 01:29:43,380
they were going to hammer.

1650
01:29:43,380 --> 01:29:44,380
They were really upset.

1651
01:29:44,380 --> 01:29:45,380
They were going to push us to the side.

1652
01:29:45,380 --> 01:29:46,380
That's what they said.

1653
01:29:46,380 --> 01:29:52,859
upset with some of the stuff that and that we had other ones we ended up with almost 14 people for

1654
01:29:52,859 --> 01:29:57,560
that planning that planning board and it was a whole bunch of stuff that went through they

1655
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:04,739
changed and did this did that and you know what from that day on dave and i have never had any

1656
01:30:04,739 --> 01:30:11,460
say we were asked like the last meeting um peter asked me well shill what do you feel about having

1657
01:30:11,460 --> 01:30:20,720
how far the land the driveway and the house and garage will be from the main road i felt that

1658
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:26,159
we had to wait and see what the person put down they knew that we had from this time to this

1659
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:35,300
inches okay they put it in then when they put it give it to deb to have her decide on it or whatever

1660
01:30:35,300 --> 01:30:41,800
she could look at it and something that is a little bit a lot different than what we expected

1661
01:30:42,100 --> 01:30:50,260
that's when i would expect it to come up and go to like the cva okay we never get that we don't get

1662
01:30:50,260 --> 01:30:59,829
any of that i don't get asked anything other than some things little to the zip after it's denied by

1663
01:30:59,829 --> 01:31:07,109
deb it doesn't go to the cpa it's supposed to as far as i always understood i don't think that's

1664
01:31:07,109 --> 01:31:13,109
the real issue i mean that still happens if there's a problem i don't right there is that you

1665
01:31:13,109 --> 01:31:13,829
can appeal it

1666
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:26,380
sounds like so many things have gone down in this town about property permits

1667
01:31:27,579 --> 01:31:31,020
stay coming down people being accused of expanding their

1668
01:31:31,899 --> 01:31:38,220
rights when they didn't and then the result is this you knock houses down with asbestos nobody

1669
01:31:38,220 --> 01:31:44,699
cared yeah no permits you black the church app that was stuck nobody cared well you know what we

1670
01:31:45,020 --> 01:31:50,539
do is we really need to invest to this town's social care because this has been going on for

1671
01:31:50,539 --> 01:31:55,020
so many years for us the consular physicians the private safety but we don't want to people

1672
01:31:55,020 --> 01:32:01,260
that have had control over their own lives just because of what they call the rules and regulations

1673
01:32:01,260 --> 01:32:07,460
that's to protect your children my children his children and because it's a buddy thing

1674
01:32:07,460 --> 01:32:12,500
you bring alice check on you bring this one on and then you know you know put up the board and push

1675
01:32:12,500 --> 01:32:13,460
everybody off they're trying to do the right thing i've never refused the thing in this town i've always figured out ways to work that i'm not going to stand for people doing this i have to know thank you very much we're good

1676
01:32:13,460 --> 01:32:14,100
we're good

1677
01:32:15,460 --> 01:32:26,460
So, we're going to discuss this, we'll let you know what's going on.

1678
01:32:26,460 --> 01:32:32,390
That's not a comment, okay.

1679
01:32:32,390 --> 01:32:35,260
Yeah, these four.

1680
01:32:35,260 --> 01:32:41,159
Any other visitors?

1681
01:32:41,159 --> 01:32:45,979
Yes.

1682
01:32:45,979 --> 01:32:47,979
Come on.

1683
01:32:47,979 --> 01:33:00,300
And then two records and orders of March 5th, and I thought we had another one to do too.

1684
01:33:00,300 --> 01:33:02,300
Just March 5th?

1685
01:33:02,300 --> 01:33:04,300
Yeah.

1686
01:33:04,300 --> 01:33:06,300
Motion.

1687
01:33:06,300 --> 01:33:08,300
No.

1688
01:33:08,300 --> 01:33:10,300
I have to amend something.

1689
01:33:10,300 --> 01:33:12,840
I have to amend something.

1690
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:28,039
When we came out of the executive session last meeting, because we discussed the set the salary training by the listers,

1691
01:33:28,039 --> 01:33:36,039
we also agreed to appoint Deb Burchard to the zoning administrative position for one year, and it should be corrected three years,

1692
01:33:36,039 --> 01:33:40,039
and that was, I just said one year, and it should be three years, because that's the term.

1693
01:33:40,039 --> 01:33:42,039
Motion to be amended.

1694
01:33:42,039 --> 01:33:44,039
Second.

1695
01:33:44,039 --> 01:33:53,460
Thank you.

1696
01:33:53,460 --> 01:35:19,909
Do you plan...

1697
01:35:19,909 --> 01:35:21,909
Isn't that right next to your house?

1698
01:35:21,909 --> 01:35:24,069
Yeah, you noticed that.

1699
01:35:24,069 --> 01:35:26,069
So, Paul, he here has been in contact with the state.

1700
01:35:26,069 --> 01:35:28,069
I've been in contact with the state.

1701
01:35:28,069 --> 01:35:32,069
He has some, you know, I guess paper trail on it.

1702
01:35:32,069 --> 01:35:36,069
But they've called me and talked to Russell, and Paul has talked to me.

1703
01:35:36,069 --> 01:35:40,069
And they've used the green light to get our tractor out.

1704
01:35:40,069 --> 01:35:45,770
I'm going to have to have like a log truck home or something to lift the roof.

1705
01:35:45,770 --> 01:35:49,960
Because it's on top of the tractor at this point.

1706
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:55,609
Do you want me to do that?

1707
01:35:55,609 --> 01:35:57,609
Do you want to try to hire somebody to...

1708
01:35:57,609 --> 01:35:59,609
So the state won't do it for you?

1709
01:35:59,609 --> 01:36:01,609
No, they're not doing it.

1710
01:36:01,609 --> 01:36:03,609
Okay.

1711
01:36:03,609 --> 01:36:06,060
The instructions I...

1712
01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:08,060
Do whatever I need to do to get it out, but don't leave a mess after.

1713
01:36:08,060 --> 01:36:10,340
But they won't do it?

1714
01:36:10,340 --> 01:36:12,340
They're not going to.

1715
01:36:12,340 --> 01:36:16,340
So maybe if you can lift it up, get your tractor out quick, and drop it down.

1716
01:36:16,340 --> 01:36:18,340
Like where it would go if your tractor was down.

1717
01:36:18,340 --> 01:36:20,340
Yeah.

1718
01:36:20,340 --> 01:36:22,340
Are you paying for it?

1719
01:36:22,340 --> 01:36:24,340
No.

1720
01:36:24,340 --> 01:36:26,340
Okay, so it's kind of a, you help me, I'll help you pay for it.

1721
01:36:26,340 --> 01:36:30,340
We have a lease, the fire department has a lease for one dollar a year.

1722
01:36:30,340 --> 01:36:32,340
Oh, okay.

1723
01:36:32,340 --> 01:36:34,340
So it's one of those things, thank you, thank you, let's not...

1724
01:36:34,340 --> 01:36:36,340
Okay.

1725
01:36:36,340 --> 01:36:38,340
Is there no damage to the tractor?

1726
01:36:38,340 --> 01:36:40,340
I think it's minimal at this point.

1727
01:36:40,340 --> 01:36:42,340
But there's probably some damage.

1728
01:36:42,340 --> 01:36:44,340
I have other items in there, cones, barricades, that type of stuff.

1729
01:36:44,340 --> 01:36:48,340
Are you asking us if it's okay if you get someone to do this?

1730
01:36:48,340 --> 01:36:50,409
Yeah.

1731
01:36:50,409 --> 01:36:52,409
Make a motion.

1732
01:36:52,409 --> 01:36:54,409
Does he have insurance?

1733
01:36:54,409 --> 01:36:56,409
Well, that's the other thing with this conflict.

1734
01:36:56,409 --> 01:37:00,409
I mean, my family has the log trucks.

1735
01:37:00,409 --> 01:37:04,409
So I could try to get somebody else with a log truck.

1736
01:37:04,409 --> 01:37:06,409
They're not going to charge you?

1737
01:37:06,409 --> 01:37:08,409
I have no idea.

1738
01:37:08,409 --> 01:37:10,409
I'm sure they're going to charge us.

1739
01:37:10,409 --> 01:37:12,409
Yeah.

1740
01:37:12,409 --> 01:37:16,630
I'm not expecting it to take more than a couple hours.

1741
01:37:16,630 --> 01:37:18,630
I mean, I don't know how much effort you want into going into...

1742
01:37:18,630 --> 01:37:20,630
I just don't want...

1743
01:37:20,630 --> 01:37:24,630
Me personally hiring them might be a conflict, though.

1744
01:37:24,630 --> 01:37:26,630
I have no problem.

1745
01:37:26,630 --> 01:37:28,630
I think go ahead.

1746
01:37:28,630 --> 01:37:30,630
I know who you're talking about and everything.

1747
01:37:30,630 --> 01:37:32,630
They're townspeople.

1748
01:37:32,630 --> 01:37:34,789
Go ahead.

1749
01:37:34,789 --> 01:37:36,789
John, anybody have a question or concern with that?

1750
01:37:36,789 --> 01:37:38,789
I think the priority is to get the tractor out of there.

1751
01:37:38,789 --> 01:37:42,789
So whatever you got to do to get it out without causing any more damage, it's fine.

1752
01:37:42,789 --> 01:37:44,789
It may not even charge the town.

1753
01:37:44,789 --> 01:37:46,789
They've done things before and not charged the town.

1754
01:37:46,789 --> 01:37:48,789
I don't know.

1755
01:37:48,789 --> 01:37:50,789
Yeah, tell them.

1756
01:37:50,789 --> 01:37:52,789
Tell them I'll buy one extra load this year.

1757
01:37:52,789 --> 01:37:54,789
How's that?

1758
01:37:54,789 --> 01:38:05,659
I don't think it's going to take, you know...

1759
01:38:05,659 --> 01:38:07,659
You know, these are the type of things where...

1760
01:38:07,659 --> 01:38:09,720
I know there's rules.

1761
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:11,720
These are the type of things where you...

1762
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:13,720
This is where we're talking.

1763
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:15,720
Go back to what Dan was saying.

1764
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:17,720
Let's bring this town back together.

1765
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:19,720
That's part of the definition of what a community is.

1766
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:21,720
Get it started.

1767
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:23,720
Yeah, exactly.

1768
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,720
Then we'll worry about that.

1769
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:27,750
I haven't asked them yet.

1770
01:38:27,750 --> 01:38:29,750
Tell them if they would do it.

1771
01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:32,010
Thank you very much.

1772
01:38:32,010 --> 01:38:34,550
We appreciate it.

1773
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:36,550
I'm concerned with, you know, the log trucks on the road.

1774
01:38:36,550 --> 01:38:44,550
I have been in constant conversation with the truck drivers and the loggers about what's been going on up there.

1775
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:46,550
A truck.

1776
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:48,550
A log truck came down today.

1777
01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:50,550
Yeah.

1778
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:52,550
I mean, it's froze at this point.

1779
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:54,550
It's, you know, better.

1780
01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:56,619
They did, I would say, do some damage.

1781
01:38:56,619 --> 01:38:58,619
They brought their equipment out.

1782
01:38:58,619 --> 01:39:01,319
They planted on their part.

1783
01:39:01,319 --> 01:39:03,319
Nothing extreme.

1784
01:39:03,319 --> 01:39:05,859
Nothing more than...

1785
01:39:05,859 --> 01:39:07,859
I mean, I don't know how picky you want to get.

1786
01:39:07,859 --> 01:39:13,859
I mean, if somebody needs, you know, to get oil or propane and they destroy our road, are we going to go after the oil company or propane?

1787
01:39:13,859 --> 01:39:19,859
One of the questions I was going to ask, and I don't know if it's to you or to the board.

1788
01:39:19,859 --> 01:39:23,960
We ask people that haul in this town for permits.

1789
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:27,960
We ask people that plow on the back roads for insurances.

1790
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:33,960
And I was under the impression that when National Forest hires these people, they're in charge.

1791
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:41,960
But now that I heard what they told us tonight is, well, sorry about, you know, you have to go after the logger or trucker or something.

1792
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:43,960
You know, there are loggers that don't do their own trucking.

1793
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:47,960
And then how do we know who's actually doing the work?

1794
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:56,090
And should we require National Forest next time they do something to give us a list and the insurances back to us?

1795
01:39:56,090 --> 01:39:57,090
Mm-hmm.

1796
01:39:57,090 --> 01:40:05,090
To say, okay, we know you're not responsible, but we don't want to spend all this time figuring out who the heck they are.

1797
01:40:05,090 --> 01:40:16,090
I mean, Deb was saying with an excavator, pretty sure it might be the loggers, but it could have been someone else in town that has an excavator that's doing a job, you know?

1798
01:40:16,090 --> 01:40:18,090
No, it was, it was.

1799
01:40:18,090 --> 01:40:19,090
It has their name on it.

1800
01:40:19,090 --> 01:40:20,090
Yeah.

1801
01:40:20,090 --> 01:40:21,090
You know, that's what I'm saying though.

1802
01:40:21,090 --> 01:40:22,090
I have an excavator.

1803
01:40:22,090 --> 01:40:23,090
It doesn't have my company name on it.

1804
01:40:23,090 --> 01:40:25,090
I mean, they are doing a lot of this in the middle of the day.

1805
01:40:25,090 --> 01:40:26,090
Yeah.

1806
01:40:26,090 --> 01:40:29,090
They're doing a lot of this in the middle of the night or early in the morning.

1807
01:40:29,090 --> 01:40:30,090
I know.

1808
01:40:30,090 --> 01:40:32,090
So, you know, that's what I'm saying.

1809
01:40:32,090 --> 01:40:39,090
I just would like to have the town have that, that list in front of us and say, okay, you really did do a lot of damage.

1810
01:40:39,090 --> 01:40:40,090
I think.

1811
01:40:40,090 --> 01:40:42,090
It might not be, but what do you think?

1812
01:40:42,090 --> 01:40:49,090
I think before they start next fall, I agree with Mike that we should get a list.

1813
01:40:49,090 --> 01:40:55,090
They should all have their plowing agreement and their certificate of insurance for, just like the other companies.

1814
01:40:55,090 --> 01:40:58,090
We make the camp owners get a plowing agreement.

1815
01:40:58,090 --> 01:40:59,090
We don't make these guys.

1816
01:40:59,090 --> 01:41:04,090
Well, they, I mean, so they're not plowing on our town road.

1817
01:41:04,090 --> 01:41:07,090
The, the hunter people over on Klondike were.

1818
01:41:07,090 --> 01:41:08,090
Well, they did Risky Ranch Road.

1819
01:41:08,090 --> 01:41:09,090
Right.

1820
01:41:09,090 --> 01:41:10,090
We don't have anything.

1821
01:41:10,090 --> 01:41:12,090
Those aren't the people that were, are creating the problem.

1822
01:41:12,090 --> 01:41:15,090
But they still should have a plowing agreement.

1823
01:41:15,090 --> 01:41:16,090
They did.

1824
01:41:16,090 --> 01:41:17,090
They do.

1825
01:41:17,090 --> 01:41:18,090
From us?

1826
01:41:18,090 --> 01:41:19,090
Risky Ranch.

1827
01:41:19,090 --> 01:41:20,090
Yeah.

1828
01:41:20,090 --> 01:41:21,090
Who were they?

1829
01:41:21,090 --> 01:41:22,090
That's Hunter.

1830
01:41:22,090 --> 01:41:23,090
Hunter Excavation.

1831
01:41:23,090 --> 01:41:24,090
Oh, okay.

1832
01:41:24,090 --> 01:41:25,090
Okay.

1833
01:41:25,090 --> 01:41:26,090
Then Klondike doesn't have it.

1834
01:41:26,090 --> 01:41:27,090
That's, that's who's over there.

1835
01:41:27,090 --> 01:41:28,090
They're over on.

1836
01:41:28,090 --> 01:41:29,600
On Klondike, Risky Ranch.

1837
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:30,600
They're over on Klondike, Risky Ranch.

1838
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:31,600
Okay.

1839
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:32,600
The other people are coming out of Stanford Pond Road.

1840
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:33,600
Correct.

1841
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:34,600
Whatever it is.

1842
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:35,600
Okay.

1843
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:36,600
So we.

1844
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:37,600
Yeah.

1845
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:38,600
We need a plowing agreement.

1846
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:39,600
Oh, no.

1847
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:40,600
No, no.

1848
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:41,600
We don't.

1849
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:42,600
Okay.

1850
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:43,600
So we're good.

1851
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:44,600
All right.

1852
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:45,600
So they don't need a plowing agreement for 264?

1853
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:46,600
It's a class.

1854
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:47,600
Because it's not ours.

1855
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:48,600
It's a trail.

1856
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:49,600
It's a trail.

1857
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:50,600
It's a trail.

1858
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:51,600
I mean, it is Class 4.

1859
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:52,600
Oh, yeah?

1860
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:53,600
Yeah.

1861
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:54,600
Maybe a little bit.

1862
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:55,890
Well, it, it's a superhighway now.

1863
01:41:55,890 --> 01:41:56,890
It's beautiful.

1864
01:41:56,890 --> 01:41:57,890
That's good.

1865
01:41:57,890 --> 01:41:58,890
I would pay for it.

1866
01:41:58,890 --> 01:41:59,890
Okay.

1867
01:41:59,890 --> 01:42:00,890
Yeah.

1868
01:42:00,890 --> 01:42:03,140
My other question was on the excavators that were coming down.

1869
01:42:03,140 --> 01:42:04,260
I mean, they definitely.

1870
01:42:04,260 --> 01:42:05,260
This is a, a larger scale operation than we typically see when somebody walks in town

1871
01:42:05,260 --> 01:42:06,260
and they see a, a truck, a dam or something.

1872
01:42:06,260 --> 01:42:07,260
But some of this is.

1873
01:42:07,260 --> 01:42:08,260
Yeah.

1874
01:42:08,260 --> 01:42:09,260
This is a lot.

1875
01:42:09,260 --> 01:42:10,260
You know, they were pulling up traffic.

1876
01:42:10,260 --> 01:42:11,260
It wasn't.

1877
01:42:11,260 --> 01:42:12,260
It was definitely less than ideal for us, even at times, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to,

1878
01:42:12,260 --> 01:42:14,260
be able to get our equipment in and out of the garage.

1879
01:42:14,260 --> 01:42:15,260
Yeah.

1880
01:42:15,260 --> 01:42:16,260
It was.

1881
01:42:16,260 --> 01:42:17,260
It, it's a.

1882
01:42:17,260 --> 01:42:18,260
If they do the Broadbrook one, too, that's going to be.

1883
01:42:18,260 --> 01:42:19,260
Are they going to come down county or are they going to go down Klondike or Riskey Ranch

1884
01:42:19,260 --> 01:42:20,260
there?

1885
01:42:20,260 --> 01:42:21,260
Well, I think that we should get a vote on National Forest, too.

1886
01:42:21,260 --> 01:42:22,260
Because they are.

1887
01:42:22,260 --> 01:42:23,260
Yeah.

1888
01:42:23,260 --> 01:42:24,260
Yeah.

1889
01:42:24,260 --> 01:42:25,260
Yeah.

1890
01:42:25,260 --> 01:42:26,260
Yeah.

1891
01:42:26,260 --> 01:42:27,260
Yeah.

1892
01:42:27,260 --> 01:42:28,260
Yeah.

1893
01:42:28,260 --> 01:42:29,260
Yeah.

1894
01:42:29,260 --> 01:42:30,260
Yeah.

1895
01:42:30,260 --> 01:42:31,260
Yeah.

1896
01:42:31,260 --> 01:42:32,260
Yeah.

1897
01:42:32,260 --> 01:42:33,260
Yeah.

1898
01:42:33,260 --> 01:42:34,260
Yeah.

1899
01:42:34,260 --> 01:42:35,260
Yeah.

1900
01:42:35,260 --> 01:42:36,260
Yeah.

1901
01:42:36,260 --> 01:42:37,260
Yeah.

1902
01:42:37,260 --> 01:42:38,260
Yeah.

1903
01:42:38,260 --> 01:42:39,260
Yeah.

1904
01:42:39,260 --> 01:42:40,260
Yeah.

1905
01:42:40,260 --> 01:42:41,260
Yeah.

1906
01:42:41,260 --> 01:42:42,260
Yeah.

1907
01:42:42,260 --> 01:42:43,260
Yeah.

1908
01:42:43,260 --> 01:42:44,260
Yeah.

1909
01:42:44,260 --> 01:42:45,260
I think that, if we, if we can get these whatever ones to hire these people at least

1910
01:42:45,260 --> 01:42:47,760
to the point where we can get information of then we can contact these, these bloggers.

1911
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:49,859
Who are your contact in, mortgageこちら.

1912
01:42:49,859 --> 01:42:50,859
Yeah.

1913
01:42:50,859 --> 01:42:54,600
Next time, you know, next season they come in, ask that, you know, when she's here

1914
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:59,260
again, we'll ask her or reach out or before then.

1915
01:42:59,260 --> 01:43:00,260
And they'll reach out to you before?

1916
01:43:00,260 --> 01:43:01,260
Yeah.

1917
01:43:01,260 --> 01:43:02,260
I mean, I have, I've chased them down a few times.

1918
01:43:02,260 --> 01:43:03,260
Yeah.

1919
01:43:03,260 --> 01:43:04,260
Oh, thank you.

1920
01:43:04,260 --> 01:43:08,039
I have a lot more contacts on my phone line then did before the start

1921
01:43:08,039 --> 01:43:09,079
Yeah.

1922
01:43:09,079 --> 01:43:10,079
Was my truckers.

1923
01:43:10,079 --> 01:43:11,140
And I've seen them at this point.

1924
01:43:11,140 --> 01:43:12,140
So, no searching.

1925
01:43:12,140 --> 01:43:19,140
seen him try to get up here. When the road loader froze, I saw the trucks coming past my house at 7 o'clock one night, and I

1926
01:43:19,140 --> 01:43:25,140
grabbed my truck and came down here and confronted them about it, and turned them around, and I'm sure they weren't happy about it.

1927
01:43:25,140 --> 01:43:32,140
And I don't like that. I don't know about that statement. I mean, that's a truck driver just doing a logging truck.

1928
01:43:32,140 --> 01:43:39,140
We don't have to abide by the posted signs. Okay, we'll make it so you only got this much room to drive through. How's that?

1929
01:43:39,140 --> 01:43:45,140
Unfortunately, too, from some of the information they relayed to me, I don't know how true it was because I wasn't there,

1930
01:43:45,140 --> 01:43:54,140
but some residents have, you know, kind of been a little nasty with them, too, so their patients probably, you know, there's some issues going on.

1931
01:43:54,140 --> 01:43:59,739
Sure. They're trying to get their job done. People are trying to get home. Sure, everybody's on a...

1932
01:43:59,739 --> 01:44:07,739
He was actually quite polite last night when I talked to him. There were two tandem trailers that came down,

1933
01:44:07,739 --> 01:44:09,739
and they were stopped.

1934
01:44:09,739 --> 01:44:19,739
On that curve, which is so dangerous, right there in front of the town garage, so they were backed up around that corner,

1935
01:44:19,739 --> 01:44:25,800
and it's tough enough to get around, and I just said, when are you guys going to be done?

1936
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:31,800
The roads posted, and he literally said, they don't have to abide by it. Okay.

1937
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:44,699
Well, I mean, unfortunately, I mean, in a way, if somebody's got to get a load of firewood, it's no different than something you get

1938
01:44:44,699 --> 01:44:45,699
in a load of oil.

1939
01:44:45,699 --> 01:44:48,109
Oh, I get it.

1940
01:44:48,109 --> 01:44:54,109
I mean, so if somebody, I mean, or the electric company, the utility in a way, I mean, I don't know how...

1941
01:44:54,109 --> 01:44:56,109
Some heavy trucks that go up there for life.

1942
01:44:56,109 --> 01:45:01,109
Yeah, and if somebody got a box truck delivery today, that's probably almost worse than a log truck, the bank functions in it,

1943
01:45:01,109 --> 01:45:04,109
because you got it on one set of axles, you know?

1944
01:45:04,109 --> 01:45:11,109
The UPS and FedEx delivery, I mean, the UPS guy destroyed Klondike Road a week ago.

1945
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:12,109
He does.

1946
01:45:12,109 --> 01:45:14,109
I mean, I just...

1947
01:45:14,109 --> 01:45:24,109
Personally, the log truck guys, and I know my family in that business, but they're more aware, and they want to try to work with you.

1948
01:45:24,109 --> 01:45:27,109
Where did the UPS get stuck at Klondike?

1949
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:29,109
I think by Carl's there.

1950
01:45:29,109 --> 01:45:30,109
Oh.

1951
01:45:30,109 --> 01:45:34,109
I mean, the UPS guy himself told me, so I know it actually happened, but...

1952
01:45:34,109 --> 01:45:43,260
I mean, I had somebody scream at me today because they said their delivery didn't get delivered because the UPS guy got stuck, and...

1953
01:45:43,260 --> 01:45:45,260
But I don't know how he got stuck.

1954
01:45:45,260 --> 01:45:47,260
I didn't know you were a former UPS.

1955
01:45:47,260 --> 01:45:52,260
Yeah, I don't know how he got stuck on the road they said he got stuck on because there wasn't even a roughing road, so...

1956
01:45:52,260 --> 01:45:53,260
Yeah.

1957
01:45:53,260 --> 01:45:58,449
But I can see just by the attitude, you know, of people...

1958
01:45:58,449 --> 01:46:04,699
Tension?

1959
01:46:04,699 --> 01:46:05,699
Some tension.

1960
01:46:05,699 --> 01:46:09,000
You think?

1961
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:12,300
Yeah.

1962
01:46:12,300 --> 01:46:14,659
What else do you have, Dave?

1963
01:46:14,659 --> 01:46:16,680
I'm trying to...

1964
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:17,680
You're good on roads?

1965
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:19,680
Yeah, I mean, we ordered our new truck.

1966
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:20,869
Good.

1967
01:46:20,869 --> 01:46:32,630
So now I realize that we're going to...

1968
01:46:32,630 --> 01:46:33,630
You already worked on them.

1969
01:46:33,630 --> 01:46:37,739
We filled some of the potholes with what we could fill them with.

1970
01:46:37,739 --> 01:46:38,739
Yeah.

1971
01:46:38,739 --> 01:46:39,739
And right now we can't...

1972
01:46:39,739 --> 01:46:40,739
Are we Frosties or Frosties?

1973
01:46:40,739 --> 01:46:41,739
Yeah.

1974
01:46:41,739 --> 01:46:42,739
Yeah.

1975
01:46:42,739 --> 01:46:43,739
I mean...

1976
01:46:43,739 --> 01:46:44,739
They're coming out of our road.

1977
01:46:44,739 --> 01:46:45,739
Slow down.

1978
01:46:45,739 --> 01:46:46,739
Yeah.

1979
01:46:46,739 --> 01:46:47,739
Some of the hills are a little rough with the, you know, the way the torque of the wheels

1980
01:46:47,739 --> 01:46:48,739
and the grade, you know, some of the material moves and makes them mobile, but you've got

1981
01:46:48,739 --> 01:46:49,739
to go slow at that time.

1982
01:46:49,739 --> 01:46:50,739
There's not much I can do about that if I...

1983
01:46:50,739 --> 01:46:51,739
There's no mud, so if you put stone, you've got a bunch of loose stone.

1984
01:46:51,739 --> 01:46:52,739
If you put a bunch of gravel, you're going to make mud.

1985
01:46:52,739 --> 01:46:53,739
You're going to make slime, you're going to try to get up the hill.

1986
01:46:53,739 --> 01:46:54,970
How many people do you think actually utilize their four-wheel drive?

1987
01:46:54,970 --> 01:46:55,970
Yeah.

1988
01:46:55,970 --> 01:46:56,970
How many people do you think actually utilize their four-wheel drive?

1989
01:46:56,970 --> 01:46:57,970
Yeah.

1990
01:46:57,970 --> 01:46:58,970
Instead of just running up, going up the hill, you know?

1991
01:46:58,970 --> 01:46:59,970
Yeah.

1992
01:46:59,970 --> 01:47:00,970
I don't know.

1993
01:47:00,970 --> 01:47:01,970
It's just a matter of going slow and having some patience and realizing that I can't just

1994
01:47:01,970 --> 01:47:02,970
make...

1995
01:47:02,970 --> 01:47:03,970
Wave my magic wand and make it okay.

1996
01:47:03,970 --> 01:47:04,970
Okay.

1997
01:47:04,970 --> 01:47:05,970
You good?

1998
01:47:05,970 --> 01:47:06,970
Yeah.

1999
01:47:06,970 --> 01:47:07,970
Recycling.

2000
01:47:07,970 --> 01:47:08,970
Anything on recycling?

2001
01:47:08,970 --> 01:47:09,970
Good.

2002
01:47:09,970 --> 01:47:10,970
Recycling.

2003
01:47:10,970 --> 01:47:11,970
Recycling.

2004
01:47:11,970 --> 01:47:12,970
Recycling.

2005
01:47:12,970 --> 01:47:14,289
Recycling.

2006
01:47:14,289 --> 01:47:15,289
Recycling.

2007
01:47:15,289 --> 01:47:16,289
Recycling.

2008
01:47:16,289 --> 01:47:17,289
Recycling.

2009
01:47:17,289 --> 01:47:18,289
Recycling.

2010
01:47:18,289 --> 01:47:19,289
Recycling.

2011
01:47:19,289 --> 01:47:20,289
Recycling.

2012
01:47:20,289 --> 01:47:21,289
Recycling.

2013
01:47:21,289 --> 01:47:22,289
Recycling.

2014
01:47:22,289 --> 01:47:23,289
Recycling.

2015
01:47:23,289 --> 01:47:24,289
Recycling.

2016
01:47:24,289 --> 01:47:32,359
Recycling.

2017
01:47:32,359 --> 01:47:33,359
Recycling.

2018
01:47:33,359 --> 01:47:34,359
Recycling.

2019
01:47:34,359 --> 01:47:35,359
Yeah.

2020
01:47:35,359 --> 01:47:44,369
I see Steve Senekel filled in a little bit, so.

2021
01:47:44,369 --> 01:47:45,560
Discussion?

2022
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:46,750
Lister update.

2023
01:47:46,750 --> 01:47:47,750
Deb did get back to me about the Lister training hours.

2024
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:49,840
We asked her to do that meeting.

2025
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:51,289
Lister...

2026
01:47:51,289 --> 01:47:52,539
No, it'll take about 53 hours to become...

2027
01:47:52,539 --> 01:47:53,539
I thought, I was going to say, will you get a master's degree in time?

2028
01:47:53,539 --> 01:47:54,539
Yeah.

2029
01:47:54,539 --> 01:47:55,539
53 hours?

2030
01:47:55,539 --> 01:47:56,539
But that will be for one year.

2031
01:47:56,539 --> 01:47:57,539
Yeah.

2032
01:47:57,539 --> 01:47:59,439
Yeah.

2033
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:03,189
Yeah.

2034
01:48:03,189 --> 01:48:06,430
Yeah.

2035
01:48:06,430 --> 01:48:07,430
Yeah.

2036
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:08,430
Yeah.

2037
01:48:08,430 --> 01:48:09,430
Yeah.

2038
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:10,430
Yeah.

2039
01:48:10,430 --> 01:48:11,430
Yeah.

2040
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:12,430
Yeah.

2041
01:48:12,430 --> 01:48:13,430
Yeah.

2042
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:14,430
Yeah.

2043
01:48:14,430 --> 01:48:15,430
Yeah.

2044
01:48:15,430 --> 01:48:16,430
Yeah.

2045
01:48:16,430 --> 01:48:17,430
Yeah.

2046
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:18,720
Yeah.

2047
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:19,720
Yeah.

2048
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:20,720
Yeah.

2049
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:21,720
Yeah.

2050
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:22,720
Yeah.

2051
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:23,720
Yeah.

2052
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:25,489
So, you know, you get that...

2053
01:48:25,489 --> 01:48:28,060
For a year.

2054
01:48:28,060 --> 01:48:29,060
For a year.

2055
01:48:29,060 --> 01:48:30,060
Yeah.

2056
01:48:30,060 --> 01:48:31,060
For a year.

2057
01:48:31,060 --> 01:48:32,060
Yeah.

2058
01:48:32,060 --> 01:48:33,310
Right.

2059
01:48:33,310 --> 01:48:34,310
I mean, that's...

2060
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:35,310
That's so true.

2061
01:48:35,310 --> 01:48:36,310
That, I mean, that, you get your basic.

2062
01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:37,310
You get your Lister one.

2063
01:48:37,310 --> 01:48:38,310
Yeah.

2064
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:39,310
And the question she had for me and I could not answer it is, did we, we set the salary

2065
01:48:39,310 --> 01:48:40,310
for Lister training or did we say, yes, you can participate in this because now it's going

2066
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:41,310
to be about $1000?

2067
01:48:41,310 --> 01:48:42,310
So, $3000.

2068
01:48:42,310 --> 01:48:43,310
So, $3060.

2069
01:48:43,310 --> 01:48:45,560
Exactly.

2070
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:46,560
Are we just waiting for the...

2071
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:47,560
Those are the orders that have been back.

2072
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:48,560
Wait.

2073
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:54,560
That's kind of what I thought, too, but I couldn't remember and I don't think we did.

2074
01:48:54,560 --> 01:49:00,619
Do you anticipate the second year doing less training and the third year doing less training and so on?

2075
01:49:00,619 --> 01:49:02,619
Well, Nancy, when do we get into this?

2076
01:49:02,619 --> 01:49:03,619
What do you think?

2077
01:49:03,619 --> 01:49:04,619
I don't know.

2078
01:49:04,619 --> 01:49:08,010
I have no job.

2079
01:49:08,010 --> 01:49:10,010
That's the issue.

2080
01:49:10,010 --> 01:49:14,170
And we kind of came to that conclusion today.

2081
01:49:14,170 --> 01:49:19,300
I have one person on a board of three.

2082
01:49:19,300 --> 01:49:24,300
I've exhausted every conversation.

2083
01:49:24,300 --> 01:49:28,300
Right. The people that talked at the town meeting are not going to.

2084
01:49:28,300 --> 01:49:35,300
I think last night they did the meeting law, the TLC, and I believe that was one of the questions that was asked.

2085
01:49:35,300 --> 01:49:39,300
It is if I'm a single lister when there's supposed to be three.

2086
01:49:39,300 --> 01:49:42,300
And I think the answer was that they don't exist.

2087
01:49:42,300 --> 01:49:43,300
They don't exist.

2088
01:49:43,300 --> 01:49:44,300
So.

2089
01:49:44,300 --> 01:49:47,300
So, unfortunately, we do have a board.

2090
01:49:47,300 --> 01:49:50,300
We have an elected board, but there are two vacancies.

2091
01:49:50,300 --> 01:49:53,300
So I'm ineffective.

2092
01:49:53,300 --> 01:49:55,300
There's nothing for me to do.

2093
01:49:55,300 --> 01:49:59,300
I can't because you can never get a forum with one person.

2094
01:49:59,300 --> 01:50:05,300
So is it in the best interest for us to pay her to train?

2095
01:50:05,300 --> 01:50:06,300
Well, that's.

2096
01:50:06,300 --> 01:50:10,300
So when there is a board or what if there never becomes a board?

2097
01:50:10,300 --> 01:50:12,359
That's up to you guys.

2098
01:50:12,359 --> 01:50:13,359
That's why we pay you guys.

2099
01:50:13,359 --> 01:50:14,359
I mean.

2100
01:50:14,359 --> 01:50:15,359
Yeah.

2101
01:50:15,359 --> 01:50:16,359
That's what I mean.

2102
01:50:16,359 --> 01:50:20,359
I mean, as a business owner, I have no problem sending someone to training.

2103
01:50:20,359 --> 01:50:21,359
Hey, I have.

2104
01:50:21,359 --> 01:50:22,359
There's always a risk.

2105
01:50:22,359 --> 01:50:23,359
You'll quit.

2106
01:50:23,359 --> 01:50:26,359
You know, there's always a risk that they don't come back.

2107
01:50:26,359 --> 01:50:31,359
You know, so I look at it like, OK, say we get someone.

2108
01:50:31,359 --> 01:50:38,449
You're a three year member and someone comes up three years from now.

2109
01:50:38,449 --> 01:50:39,449
Now you have two.

2110
01:50:39,449 --> 01:50:40,449
Can you do it with two?

2111
01:50:40,449 --> 01:50:43,210
I have two.

2112
01:50:43,210 --> 01:50:45,720
And now you got to go in because we waited.

2113
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:47,520
You know.

2114
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:53,350
So that doesn't answer my question about a thousand dollars and a thousand dollars

2115
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:54,350
again and a thousand dollars again.

2116
01:50:54,350 --> 01:50:56,350
Because again, though, I like training people.

2117
01:50:56,350 --> 01:51:01,350
But if it was twenty thousand dollars to train someone, then I might think twice about it

2118
01:51:01,350 --> 01:51:02,350
versus, you know.

2119
01:51:02,350 --> 01:51:03,859
You get your level status once.

2120
01:51:03,859 --> 01:51:04,859
OK.

2121
01:51:04,859 --> 01:51:05,859
So we really feel that it's going out there after all these.

2122
01:51:05,859 --> 01:51:06,859
I had a tough time with this.

2123
01:51:06,859 --> 01:51:07,859
This Lister thing has beat me to death.

2124
01:51:07,859 --> 01:51:08,859
It's almost as bad as a sign.

2125
01:51:08,859 --> 01:51:09,859
I mean, we went from collected to appointed.

2126
01:51:09,859 --> 01:51:10,859
I mean, I don't know.

2127
01:51:10,859 --> 01:51:11,859
I don't know.

2128
01:51:11,859 --> 01:51:12,859
I don't know.

2129
01:51:12,859 --> 01:51:13,859
I don't know.

2130
01:51:13,859 --> 01:51:14,859
I don't know.

2131
01:51:14,859 --> 01:51:15,859
I don't know.

2132
01:51:15,859 --> 01:51:16,859
I don't know.

2133
01:51:16,859 --> 01:51:17,859
I don't know.

2134
01:51:17,859 --> 01:51:18,859
And I feel disappointed.

2135
01:51:18,859 --> 01:51:19,859
Oh, yeah.

2136
01:51:19,859 --> 01:51:20,859
Sorry.

2137
01:51:20,859 --> 01:51:21,859
You know.

2138
01:51:21,859 --> 01:51:22,859
That thing out there.

2139
01:51:22,859 --> 01:51:23,859
Yeah, I'm so disappointed.

2140
01:51:23,859 --> 01:51:25,729
Because I was there.

2141
01:51:25,729 --> 01:51:26,729
We had a good time.

2142
01:51:26,729 --> 01:51:28,529
We made sense of them.

2143
01:51:28,529 --> 01:51:29,529
Next you have to sho people.

2144
01:51:29,529 --> 01:51:31,529
Maybeñases on two people.

2145
01:51:31,529 --> 01:51:34,199
Did at the same time in a train.

2146
01:51:34,199 --> 01:51:35,199
Too waste of money.

2147
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:39,399
And send her in hopes of somebody else doesn't seem like anybody else is coming forward.

2148
01:51:39,399 --> 01:51:42,779
Is this in person or online online softness?

2149
01:51:42,779 --> 01:51:46,800
And, I've already started the training and I'm not expecting anything.

2150
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:48,600
But, I have started it just for me.

2151
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:49,199
OK.

2152
01:51:49,199 --> 01:51:52,260
just because some of it's already, I had,

2153
01:51:52,260 --> 01:51:54,239
I didn't know what your decision would be.

2154
01:51:54,239 --> 01:51:57,119
So I've invested, I don't know.

2155
01:51:57,119 --> 01:51:58,899
Maybe a second person will blow up

2156
01:51:58,899 --> 01:52:03,859
on the time that they spend catching up with the training.

2157
01:52:03,859 --> 01:52:05,020
Who's the second person?

2158
01:52:05,020 --> 01:52:07,460
We've been talking about this for years.

2159
01:52:07,460 --> 01:52:09,920
So at the end of two, at the end of a full year,

2160
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:12,100
you might have, or a year and a half,

2161
01:52:12,100 --> 01:52:15,939
you may have two trained people.

2162
01:52:15,939 --> 01:52:17,500
I don't know, I don't know.

2163
01:52:17,500 --> 01:52:20,640
We're still waiting for somebody else to step forward.

2164
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:22,659
We had someone step forward at the town meeting,

2165
01:52:22,659 --> 01:52:24,659
but they since have changed their mind.

2166
01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:28,079
The problem, it has been a long time.

2167
01:52:28,079 --> 01:52:31,319
Yeah, which that, yeah, changed their mind.

2168
01:52:31,319 --> 01:52:33,159
Was it May?

2169
01:52:33,159 --> 01:52:36,079
No, but I mean, even back when Deb Darling was doing it,

2170
01:52:36,079 --> 01:52:37,960
she left, that's the last time we had anybody

2171
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:39,779
that was actually elected.

2172
01:52:39,779 --> 01:52:41,760
Then there was no one appointed,

2173
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:44,699
because there was no interest.

2174
01:52:44,699 --> 01:52:46,199
You had other people at town meeting

2175
01:52:46,199 --> 01:52:48,279
be real noisy and then disappear.

2176
01:52:48,279 --> 01:52:49,680
I don't know, maybe.

2177
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:50,520
I think there was.

2178
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:51,960
I think there's a total disconnect

2179
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:54,739
on how much money this could actually save the town.

2180
01:52:54,739 --> 01:52:56,939
Well, and another thing is,

2181
01:52:56,939 --> 01:52:58,840
we've never really advertised it

2182
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:01,140
as it's gonna pay $20 an hour.

2183
01:53:02,750 --> 01:53:05,010
That might pay $20 an hour.

2184
01:53:05,010 --> 01:53:07,470
And it had, I mean, it's so seasonal, too.

2185
01:53:07,470 --> 01:53:09,050
Yeah.

2186
01:53:09,050 --> 01:53:11,729
It's not something that somebody can rely on.

2187
01:53:11,729 --> 01:53:14,750
It's like the zoning administrator position.

2188
01:53:14,750 --> 01:53:16,250
My other problem is, what happens

2189
01:53:16,250 --> 01:53:20,090
so we spend the money to train Deb, what happens?

2190
01:53:20,090 --> 01:53:23,250
There's a time in her life where she decides

2191
01:53:23,250 --> 01:53:24,270
she doesn't want to do it anymore.

2192
01:53:24,270 --> 01:53:26,989
Well, that's a risk you take, yeah.

2193
01:53:26,989 --> 01:53:28,649
That's like my business.

2194
01:53:28,649 --> 01:53:30,489
They can quit any time they want.

2195
01:53:30,489 --> 01:53:31,810
Can't keep them, you know?

2196
01:53:31,810 --> 01:53:36,210
We trained constables a year and had them leave.

2197
01:53:36,210 --> 01:53:38,130
I mean, you can have a contract with someone.

2198
01:53:38,130 --> 01:53:38,970
They still leave.

2199
01:53:38,970 --> 01:53:40,010
It doesn't matter, you know?

2200
01:53:40,010 --> 01:53:41,210
It costs you more to fight it.

2201
01:53:41,210 --> 01:53:42,050
It's worth it.

2202
01:53:42,050 --> 01:53:42,890
What do you want?

2203
01:53:42,890 --> 01:53:44,550
You want that guy to stay after you follow him?

2204
01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:45,909
I think you've got to make the effort

2205
01:53:45,909 --> 01:53:48,449
to let her get started, personal opinion.

2206
01:53:48,449 --> 01:53:49,689
You're serious?

2207
01:53:49,689 --> 01:53:50,409
I mean, it's. I mean, it's. I mean, it's. I mean, it's. I mean, it's.

2208
01:53:50,409 --> 01:53:52,050
I mean, it's. I mean, it's. I mean, it's. I mean, it's.

2209
01:53:52,050 --> 01:53:53,850
I mean, possibly it's.

2210
01:53:53,850 --> 01:53:57,470
Like when we were talking today.

2211
01:53:57,470 --> 01:54:01,899
It would get. It would bring me up to such a good familiarity

2212
01:54:01,899 --> 01:54:07,220
with the position in general, if she ever needed assistance.

2213
01:54:07,220 --> 01:54:09,979
I'd be kind of boots on the ground here

2214
01:54:09,979 --> 01:54:12,600
where she's two and a half hours away.

2215
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:15,109
Well, that's the other thing.

2216
01:54:15,109 --> 01:54:17,010
I can scan records to her.

2217
01:54:17,010 --> 01:54:18,970
I don't know why I didn't think of it before

2218
01:54:18,970 --> 01:54:20,750
because it was never done that way.

2219
01:54:20,750 --> 01:54:20,890
But I.

2220
01:54:20,890 --> 01:54:29,890
She could work out of her home, scan the records, the only thing she needs is a deed because everything else is online with the state.

2221
01:54:29,890 --> 01:54:33,989
The position you have is a session club, right?

2222
01:54:33,989 --> 01:54:34,989
Yes.

2223
01:54:34,989 --> 01:54:37,050
Now that is appointed?

2224
01:54:37,050 --> 01:54:39,500
You guys appointed me.

2225
01:54:39,500 --> 01:54:41,500
That's an appointed job, okay.

2226
01:54:41,500 --> 01:54:43,630
You can fire me.

2227
01:54:43,630 --> 01:54:45,979
Can I recuse?

2228
01:54:45,979 --> 01:54:47,979
Well, hold on now.

2229
01:54:47,979 --> 01:54:49,979
Does anybody want to do that job?

2230
01:54:49,979 --> 01:54:55,010
Why can't she be a Lister?

2231
01:54:55,010 --> 01:54:58,449
She doesn't want to.

2232
01:54:58,449 --> 01:55:00,449
Right.

2233
01:55:00,449 --> 01:55:03,699
She's smarter than I am.

2234
01:55:03,699 --> 01:55:07,699
Well, it's a good job to take for just training and then quit.

2235
01:55:07,699 --> 01:55:10,699
I might do it.

2236
01:55:10,699 --> 01:55:12,699
I flunk the training, right?

2237
01:55:12,699 --> 01:55:14,699
I don't think it does.

2238
01:55:14,699 --> 01:55:16,699
I'll drink a beer while I'm watching it.

2239
01:55:16,699 --> 01:55:21,699
And how does the law read when it comes to that Lister's position if you're two Listers?

2240
01:55:21,699 --> 01:55:22,699
If you're two Listers.

2241
01:55:22,699 --> 01:55:30,050
If you have two elected Listers, like you and dad, then she could effectively do her

2242
01:55:30,050 --> 01:55:31,050
job, right?

2243
01:55:31,050 --> 01:55:32,050
Right.

2244
01:55:32,050 --> 01:55:33,050
Without you being trained?

2245
01:55:33,050 --> 01:55:34,760
How does that work?

2246
01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:36,760
I mean, I don't know what the law reads on that.

2247
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:48,840
When we were talking about that today, if you ever had to go in front of, if you were

2248
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:53,840
ever sued, if the town was sued for a decision that was made that was incorrect, do you have

2249
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:54,840
so much more.

2250
01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:55,840
Tea.

2251
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:56,909
Tea.

2252
01:55:56,909 --> 01:55:57,909
If you're certified Lister.

2253
01:55:57,909 --> 01:55:58,909
If you have a certified Lister.

2254
01:55:58,909 --> 01:55:59,909
You're training in there.

2255
01:55:59,909 --> 01:56:00,909
You're not just somebody that walked in and said, I'll be a Lister.

2256
01:56:00,909 --> 01:56:01,909
I get that.

2257
01:56:01,909 --> 01:56:13,069
Well my question is that you maintain the Lister, doing the Lister stuff, she does her

2258
01:56:13,069 --> 01:56:18,069
Lister clerk stuff, and does some training once in a while.

2259
01:56:18,069 --> 01:56:19,069
Maybe.

2260
01:56:19,069 --> 01:56:20,069
You are doing the training anyway?

2261
01:56:20,069 --> 01:56:21,069
I did the training.

2262
01:56:21,069 --> 01:56:23,069
But I don't want to.

2263
01:56:23,069 --> 01:56:25,130
Why are you doing the Lister training?

2264
01:56:25,930 --> 01:56:31,630
Because I want to know how to put these homesteads in and stuff.

2265
01:56:31,850 --> 01:56:32,890
I don't know how to do that.

2266
01:56:35,909 --> 01:56:38,470
Okay, but it is part of that training.

2267
01:56:39,229 --> 01:56:44,029
What I'm saying is, would that be adequate to justify her decision?

2268
01:56:44,710 --> 01:56:45,949
I mean, for her to be able to.

2269
01:56:45,949 --> 01:56:47,550
You know, because we need three.

2270
01:56:48,250 --> 01:56:50,970
What he's basically saying is if she becomes the second,

2271
01:56:50,970 --> 01:56:56,670
that doesn't actually do, but Deb can now do something.

2272
01:56:56,689 --> 01:57:00,449
She would still have to go up in front of people to justify any decisions.

2273
01:57:00,649 --> 01:57:00,869
Yeah.

2274
01:57:01,210 --> 01:57:04,229
Yeah, that's, I think that would be that.

2275
01:57:04,869 --> 01:57:10,210
Can we post the second position, like in the Berkshire Eagle, at $20 an hour?

2276
01:57:10,630 --> 01:57:12,569
It's got to be a town position.

2277
01:57:13,050 --> 01:57:14,329
It has to be a town position.

2278
01:57:14,329 --> 01:57:15,890
Because it's election, right?

2279
01:57:16,699 --> 01:57:17,220
Right.

2280
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:18,739
She told us today.

2281
01:57:18,739 --> 01:57:20,779
So can we post it with a $20?

2282
01:57:21,060 --> 01:57:23,039
An hour starting salary, with training.

2283
01:57:23,039 --> 01:57:25,119
Well, that might make people step to their plate a little bit more.

2284
01:57:25,180 --> 01:57:27,760
Right now, this is the first time we've ever mentioned money.

2285
01:57:28,579 --> 01:57:33,239
$20 to start, and lunch training.

2286
01:57:33,460 --> 01:57:35,939
Yeah, this is the first time we've ever set a fee.

2287
01:57:36,859 --> 01:57:41,420
She did say that they have a template for advertising.

2288
01:57:42,100 --> 01:57:48,439
And we do know that there's at least 50 hours of training for this position in one year, correct?

2289
01:57:48,439 --> 01:57:49,739
So we have paid training.

2290
01:57:50,579 --> 01:57:50,739
Yeah.

2291
01:57:50,819 --> 01:57:51,039
Year.

2292
01:57:51,060 --> 01:57:55,819
So we've got to do it now, because it's going to drop off.

2293
01:57:55,819 --> 01:57:57,020
It's going to stop in August.

2294
01:57:57,239 --> 01:57:57,399
Yeah.

2295
01:57:57,579 --> 01:57:57,779
Right.

2296
01:57:58,039 --> 01:57:59,079
So that's what I'm saying.

2297
01:57:59,140 --> 01:58:04,699
If we advertise this, someone came in next week or next meeting, we hired them, or we

2298
01:58:04,699 --> 01:58:06,939
can appoint an elected position, right?

2299
01:58:07,039 --> 01:58:07,479
Yes.

2300
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:09,739
Because the election will wait until the final election.

2301
01:58:10,119 --> 01:58:12,319
It would only be until the final election, though.

2302
01:58:14,319 --> 01:58:20,079
But in the time, but we could say, we know there's at least 50 hours of training that

2303
01:58:20,079 --> 01:58:21,409
we need to pay for.

2304
01:58:21,710 --> 01:58:22,869
Not counting other.

2305
01:58:22,890 --> 01:58:26,399
There are other times that you need to do the job, you know.

2306
01:58:26,399 --> 01:58:28,930
Because someone's going to say, well, how many hours are we going to get?

2307
01:58:28,930 --> 01:58:33,449
You're going to pay me 20 hours, you know, $20 an hour, and I'm going to get one hour.

2308
01:58:33,449 --> 01:58:34,930
Might as well be coming to Slatton.

2309
01:58:34,930 --> 01:58:43,920
No, she's three years.

2310
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:52,350
But we can appoint someone until, it would just be until the next.

2311
01:58:52,350 --> 01:58:55,439
Oh, that's, you can't appoint, give somebody the.

2312
01:58:55,439 --> 01:58:56,119
The three years?

2313
01:58:56,119 --> 01:58:56,720
Three years.

2314
01:58:56,720 --> 01:58:58,119
No.

2315
01:58:58,119 --> 01:59:02,029
It's just like if we didn't have anybody running.

2316
01:59:02,029 --> 01:59:03,029
Doug?

2317
01:59:03,029 --> 01:59:05,899
Doug, that's how he was up there.

2318
01:59:05,899 --> 01:59:12,300
If I quit right now, I'm going to appoint someone for two years, but not my first.

2319
01:59:12,300 --> 01:59:15,960
Right, right.

2320
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:20,460
So even if somebody comes forward and lost position, they have to be elected?

2321
01:59:20,460 --> 01:59:23,460
We could appoint them until next year.

2322
01:59:23,460 --> 01:59:24,960
It's already been elected.

2323
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:28,460
So we could appoint somebody, train somebody, and then.

2324
01:59:28,460 --> 01:59:32,460
They'll run for election, and I don't see anybody running against them.

2325
01:59:32,460 --> 01:59:34,460
So yeah.

2326
01:59:34,460 --> 01:59:36,460
If we have that problem, we'll worry about that.

2327
01:59:36,460 --> 01:59:37,460
Put it out there.

2328
01:59:37,460 --> 01:59:38,460
We're looking for a town resident.

2329
01:59:38,460 --> 01:59:38,960
Well, there's another.

2330
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:39,460
There's Hank.

2331
01:59:39,460 --> 01:59:39,960
Yeah.

2332
01:59:39,960 --> 01:59:40,460
Yeah.

2333
01:59:40,460 --> 01:59:40,960
Yeah.

2334
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:41,460
Yeah.

2335
01:59:41,460 --> 01:59:42,960
You're right, though, Kurt.

2336
01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:48,960
I mean, people don't understand that this, although it looks like, oh, jeez, we have to pay $1,000 for training.

2337
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:50,960
In New York, it's $1,000 in a week.

2338
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:51,960
Every time you get here.

2339
01:59:51,960 --> 01:59:52,460
You know?

2340
01:59:52,460 --> 01:59:52,960
Yeah.

2341
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:53,460
You know?

2342
01:59:53,460 --> 01:59:55,460
It's probably like $1,000 just for them to come here.

2343
01:59:55,460 --> 01:59:56,460
It's $100 an hour.

2344
01:59:56,460 --> 01:59:57,960
So they come here for another day.

2345
01:59:57,960 --> 01:59:58,460
Yeah.

2346
01:59:58,460 --> 02:00:00,460
He was here for six hours today.

2347
02:00:00,460 --> 02:00:01,460
So there you go.

2348
02:00:01,460 --> 02:00:01,960
So there you go.

2349
02:00:01,960 --> 02:00:02,460
You know?

2350
02:00:02,460 --> 02:00:03,460
You pay for travel.

2351
02:00:03,460 --> 02:00:03,960
Yep.

2352
02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:06,960
And it's a lot of, well, you have people at the bank at the 15 that are out.

2353
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:07,960
And they hand out their stuff.

2354
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:08,460
And stuff.

2355
02:00:08,460 --> 02:00:08,960
And stuff.

2356
02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:09,460
And stuff.

2357
02:00:09,460 --> 02:00:09,960
Yeah.

2358
02:00:09,960 --> 02:00:10,460
Yeah.

2359
02:00:10,460 --> 02:00:11,460
You probably could have.

2360
02:00:11,460 --> 02:00:11,960
What was that?

2361
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:12,960
That was like $1,000.

2362
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:13,460
Yes.

2363
02:00:13,460 --> 02:00:14,960
That's what you need to do.

2364
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:15,960
At least save the travel time.

2365
02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:17,960
What number it charges?

2366
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:18,960
$100,000.

2367
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:19,960
Well, less than $100,000.

2368
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:21,960
For re-appraisal?

2369
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:22,460
Yeah.

2370
02:00:22,460 --> 02:00:23,460
For all that appraisal.

2371
02:00:23,460 --> 02:00:23,960
Yeah.

2372
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:28,960
For the re-appraisal itself, like $85,000, $89,000?

2373
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:29,460
Yeah.

2374
02:00:29,460 --> 02:00:29,960
Yeah.

2375
02:00:29,960 --> 02:00:32,460
I think it was quartered at $100,000.

2376
02:00:32,460 --> 02:00:34,960
But they charge you for the core.

2377
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:36,460
If you have a payment.

2378
02:00:36,460 --> 02:00:37,960
The extra.

2379
02:00:37,960 --> 02:00:38,960
We had that core.

2380
02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:40,460
The work thing we had to do.

2381
02:00:40,460 --> 02:00:40,960
Yeah.

2382
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:42,119
They charge you for that.

2383
02:00:42,119 --> 02:00:44,600
They charge you for your travel time.

2384
02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:45,600
And then.

2385
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:49,670
Any time they do work that's not even here, they charge you.

2386
02:00:49,670 --> 02:00:52,670
That's like every four years or something, the state's mandating that.

2387
02:00:52,670 --> 02:00:53,670
I heard.

2388
02:00:53,670 --> 02:00:55,670
Again, like in three years?

2389
02:00:55,670 --> 02:00:56,670
More often.

2390
02:00:56,670 --> 02:00:58,670
Four to six years, depending what state.

2391
02:00:58,670 --> 02:01:00,670
You think that's going to go down?

2392
02:01:00,670 --> 02:01:02,170
Complaining about your taxes going up.

2393
02:01:02,170 --> 02:01:03,670
Somebody's jumping in.

2394
02:01:03,670 --> 02:01:04,670
Somebody's going.

2395
02:01:04,670 --> 02:01:07,670
Well, they were just talking about re-evaluating already.

2396
02:01:07,670 --> 02:01:08,170
Yeah.

2397
02:01:08,170 --> 02:01:09,170
Well, I just asked.

2398
02:01:09,170 --> 02:01:11,170
Just so they can get more money.

2399
02:01:11,170 --> 02:01:12,170
Who was saying that?

2400
02:01:12,170 --> 02:01:13,170
The school or state?

2401
02:01:13,170 --> 02:01:13,670
No.

2402
02:01:13,670 --> 02:01:14,670
The state.

2403
02:01:14,670 --> 02:01:15,170
Digger?

2404
02:01:15,170 --> 02:01:15,670
State?

2405
02:01:15,670 --> 02:01:16,170
Yeah.

2406
02:01:16,170 --> 02:01:17,199
Cooper.

2407
02:01:17,199 --> 02:01:17,699
Yeah.

2408
02:01:17,699 --> 02:01:20,199
When Cooper was here.

2409
02:01:20,199 --> 02:01:26,229
You got to sell your houses to your kids for less money in our evaluation.

2410
02:01:26,229 --> 02:01:31,390
Or make sure everybody files their homestead because that.

2411
02:01:31,390 --> 02:01:35,390
Even if you don't have to pay taxes, you need to file your homestead.

2412
02:01:35,390 --> 02:01:36,390
Right.

2413
02:01:36,390 --> 02:01:38,420
Does it sound better in the evaluation?

2414
02:01:38,420 --> 02:01:40,420
The evaluation goes down.

2415
02:01:40,420 --> 02:01:41,420
And the rate just goes up.

2416
02:01:41,420 --> 02:01:42,420
It's all about your money.

2417
02:01:42,420 --> 02:01:43,420
The money.

2418
02:01:43,420 --> 02:01:44,420
I don't think it's a discount.

2419
02:01:44,420 --> 02:01:45,420
It's a homestead.

2420
02:01:45,420 --> 02:01:46,420
We do it every year.

2421
02:01:46,420 --> 02:01:49,420
But I don't see a very significant difference.

2422
02:01:49,420 --> 02:01:51,420
Well, it's counted in other ways, too.

2423
02:01:51,420 --> 02:01:52,420
The states.

2424
02:01:52,420 --> 02:01:58,420
That when you file your taxes, somebody else says, oh, he's a resident of Stanford.

2425
02:01:58,420 --> 02:02:00,420
And they use it for whatever else they use it for.

2426
02:02:00,420 --> 02:02:01,420
Yeah.

2427
02:02:01,420 --> 02:02:02,420
But I paid.

2428
02:02:02,420 --> 02:02:03,420
Somebody was talking about that.

2429
02:02:03,420 --> 02:02:06,420
A higher rate for my camp than I do my house by a lot.

2430
02:02:06,420 --> 02:02:07,420
Yeah.

2431
02:02:07,420 --> 02:02:12,420
I mean, I'm paying for that stupid camp up there at $3,500 a year for a camp going around

2432
02:02:12,420 --> 02:02:13,420
nothing.

2433
02:02:13,420 --> 02:02:14,420
It's just a box.

2434
02:02:14,420 --> 02:02:17,420
Well, there's tons of camps around here.

2435
02:02:17,420 --> 02:02:21,279
Hopefully, we can find them.

2436
02:02:21,279 --> 02:02:22,279
That's true.

2437
02:02:22,279 --> 02:02:23,279
Hopefully, we can find them.

2438
02:02:23,279 --> 02:02:29,590
And then you have the next thing is, oh, well, it's on wheels.

2439
02:02:29,590 --> 02:02:31,590
You got them down the hill.

2440
02:02:31,590 --> 02:02:32,590
Onward.

2441
02:02:35,439 --> 02:02:36,439
Next.

2442
02:02:36,439 --> 02:02:37,439
Okay.

2443
02:02:37,439 --> 02:02:40,500
So what do we decide there?

2444
02:02:40,500 --> 02:02:41,850
What are we doing?

2445
02:02:41,850 --> 02:02:42,850
I think we should.

2446
02:02:42,850 --> 02:02:43,850
Yeah.

2447
02:02:43,850 --> 02:02:44,850
Post.

2448
02:02:44,850 --> 02:02:45,850
One more time.

2449
02:02:45,850 --> 02:02:46,850
Post.

2450
02:02:46,850 --> 02:02:47,850
If nobody comes, one more time.

2451
02:02:47,850 --> 02:02:48,850
All right.

2452
02:02:48,850 --> 02:02:49,850
So in the meantime, do we pay Deb for training?

2453
02:02:49,850 --> 02:02:50,850
I think we have to because as the courses go on and on, she's going to lose it.

2454
02:02:50,850 --> 02:02:51,850
So it's just a waste of money.

2455
02:02:51,850 --> 02:02:52,850
It's a gamble.

2456
02:02:52,850 --> 02:02:53,850
It's like the gamble that.

2457
02:02:53,850 --> 02:02:54,850
I'm not going anywhere.

2458
02:02:54,850 --> 02:02:55,850
No, no, no.

2459
02:02:55,850 --> 02:02:56,850
It's a gamble that I know.

2460
02:02:56,850 --> 02:02:57,850
You might get hit by a logging truck coming down the hill.

2461
02:02:57,850 --> 02:02:58,850
I'm sorry.

2462
02:02:58,850 --> 02:02:59,850
I'm going to walk.

2463
02:02:59,850 --> 02:03:00,850
Don't even say that.

2464
02:03:00,850 --> 02:03:01,850
Oh, God.

2465
02:03:01,850 --> 02:03:02,850
I'm sorry.

2466
02:03:02,850 --> 02:03:03,850
I'm sorry.

2467
02:03:03,850 --> 02:03:04,850
I'm sorry.

2468
02:03:04,850 --> 02:03:05,850
I'm sorry.

2469
02:03:05,850 --> 02:03:06,850
I'm sorry.

2470
02:03:06,850 --> 02:03:07,850
I'm sorry.

2471
02:03:07,850 --> 02:03:08,850
I'm sorry.

2472
02:03:08,850 --> 02:03:09,850
I'm sorry.

2473
02:03:09,850 --> 02:03:10,850
I'm sorry.

2474
02:03:10,850 --> 02:03:11,850
I'm sorry.

2475
02:03:13,850 --> 02:03:14,850
I'm sorry.

2476
02:03:14,850 --> 02:03:15,850
I'm sorry.

2477
02:03:15,850 --> 02:03:16,850
I'm sorry.

2478
02:03:16,850 --> 02:03:17,850
I'm sorry.

2479
02:03:17,850 --> 02:03:18,850
I'm sorry.

2480
02:03:18,850 --> 02:03:19,850
I'm sorry.

2481
02:03:19,850 --> 02:03:20,850
I'm sorry.

2482
02:03:20,850 --> 02:03:21,850
I'm sorry.

2483
02:03:21,850 --> 02:03:22,850
I'm sorry.

2484
02:03:22,850 --> 02:03:23,850
I'm sorry.

2485
02:03:23,850 --> 02:03:24,850
I mean, it's a deal.

2486
02:03:24,850 --> 02:03:25,850
It's not aizottah.

2487
02:03:25,850 --> 02:03:26,850
I don't know.

2488
02:03:26,850 --> 02:03:27,909
I have to answer your question.

2489
02:03:27,909 --> 02:03:28,909
My question is, if you could pay Deb to train you in the summer, could you sign up

2490
02:03:28,909 --> 02:03:29,909
for the tuition?

2491
02:03:29,909 --> 02:03:30,909
Yeah, sure.

2492
02:03:30,909 --> 02:03:31,909
You know, I don't know.

2493
02:03:31,909 --> 02:03:32,909
The first thing I think about is I guess one of the things is'll be, I don't know,

2494
02:03:32,909 --> 02:03:33,909
it's not fair.

2495
02:03:33,909 --> 02:03:34,909
I mean, if you could pay Deb, I'd love that.

2496
02:03:34,909 --> 02:03:35,909
I don't know.

2497
02:03:35,909 --> 02:03:37,420
I can do that.

2498
02:03:37,420 --> 02:03:38,420
I mean, I don't think that's fair.

2499
02:03:38,420 --> 02:03:39,420
That's very good.

2500
02:03:39,420 --> 02:03:45,659
26 the 27th is the grand list seminar all day i don't know okay

2501
02:03:47,300 --> 02:04:02,750
i'll post on the website oh singing in the paper yeah oh the berkshire eagles are like our

2502
02:04:03,390 --> 02:04:08,590
paper right yeah but it's got to be a stanford president as you said yeah just in case we're

2503
02:04:08,590 --> 02:04:17,069
looking for two 20 bucks positions start page stanford town hiring yeah must be a town resident

2504
02:04:18,109 --> 02:04:21,069
but you know we're doing a lot of work for the state right now too

2505
02:04:22,350 --> 02:04:28,670
yeah uh she wasn't here for this part but for the homesteads they're coming down like i said before

2506
02:04:28,670 --> 02:04:34,029
we're coming they're coming you filed your homestead with the state i know you filed

2507
02:04:34,029 --> 02:04:39,659
what comes down here yes you're a resident you got to check this check this then you go

2508
02:04:40,220 --> 02:04:49,090
and you'll upload it to their vipi and say yes yes yes yes and then you if the state sets a grand

2509
02:04:49,090 --> 02:04:56,699
list on that and it has to match ours and so it looks like we're doing the state's work yeah we

2510
02:04:56,699 --> 02:05:04,670
are if you build the state oh but they did say we get a dollar per parcel i think somebody did

2511
02:05:04,670 --> 02:05:09,390
write that somebody wrote it no it was a dollar per parcel

2512
02:05:13,970 --> 02:05:22,510
we'll post that um have the applications in by two weeks is that enough time yeah we better

2513
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:45,340
because training will all be done office maintenance what's the cause of it

2514
02:05:46,829 --> 02:06:23,619
it's not boring it's to fill the surface to protect getting more water coming up and

2515
02:06:23,619 --> 02:06:42,020
re-carpet it be tiled instead of carpeted wait and see if it leaks i don't know but i wanted to bring

2516
02:06:42,500 --> 02:06:48,420
more to you guys to think about it at some point we'll have to deal with it was it was there mold or

2517
02:06:48,420 --> 02:06:56,449
anything well when you pulled the carpet off it really stuck it wasn't it wasn't mold but it was

2518
02:06:56,449 --> 02:07:05,140
mildew concrete flooring yeah so it's porous though kind of you know i'm having the same

2519
02:07:05,140 --> 02:07:34,319
problem i shop with a lot worse problems we do go forward with a carpet tile because i think if we do it

2520
02:07:35,470 --> 02:07:52,140
if we don't do it those risk things the guy says well i think it's this i'm not going to fix it and

2521
02:07:52,140 --> 02:07:58,420
it gets worse or you can get that fixed and then it's still not that that's where we're at that

2522
02:07:58,420 --> 02:08:04,939
carpet fix it and the water comes back then we then we spent two thousand dollars on something

2523
02:08:04,939 --> 02:08:09,420
that didn't work okay i feel like you almost need like a section in there where you could put a pump

2524
02:08:09,420 --> 02:08:14,220
if you have to when the water gets to a certain point because otherwise i mean where's the water

2525
02:08:14,220 --> 02:08:16,779
you can you could just seal it but the water is going to go

2526
02:08:16,859 --> 02:08:21,659
somewhere else on water it's seeping up through i look at it too it's seeping up through these

2527
02:08:21,659 --> 02:08:31,439
so it's only going to crack why so much it's just that'd be a question you see the big huge piles

2528
02:08:31,439 --> 02:08:35,840
of snow and stuff yeah we have we had a puddle there that we didn't have before that puddle

2529
02:08:35,840 --> 02:08:44,960
is kind of new yeah it is smaller today so there was a frosty there that was preventing it from

2530
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:47,039
draining but i think i brought this up before

2531
02:08:47,119 --> 02:08:51,329
that it wasn't freezing when it was you know 10 below zero

2532
02:08:52,930 --> 02:08:58,050
groundwater from something yeah there's something there was something going on

2533
02:08:58,930 --> 02:09:03,729
like there's a vein of water yeah because the school says that it's not a broken part

2534
02:09:03,729 --> 02:09:09,250
well they can be broken from the well the river they tested over there they're telling us that

2535
02:09:09,250 --> 02:09:13,970
there's no place because they just passed the well yeah no they didn't i thought they did

2536
02:09:13,970 --> 02:09:17,010
did they do a scope they need to i don't know they need to set the scope

2537
02:09:17,250 --> 02:09:20,689
on there see i thought they just did a pressure test i think that's what they did

2538
02:09:21,250 --> 02:09:25,890
which i don't know where they would have a base pressure but that's i mean they need to scope it

2539
02:09:25,890 --> 02:09:31,810
i think yeah they need to see it when they when the guy was here from the school we looked up on

2540
02:09:31,810 --> 02:09:41,300
the up on the hill as you come down the driveway and turns right there about level between the

2541
02:09:41,300 --> 02:09:46,979
sign and the black hole straight out on that entrance there's a crack in the in the asphalt

2542
02:09:47,859 --> 02:09:52,979
when when it did freeze and it was cold it looked like it opened up even more and the water was

2543
02:09:52,979 --> 02:09:59,699
literally i thought it was finding that it was not finding it no finding out of it yeah oh coming out

2544
02:09:59,699 --> 02:10:04,739
of it coming out of it and going right down to that puddle that ends up there now you got to

2545
02:10:04,739 --> 02:10:10,100
crack down there supply from the well from the school that's made up so that's it wasn't it wasn't

2546
02:10:10,100 --> 02:10:14,579
coming from the well it was actually above the well that cracks them where's the wall over this

2547
02:10:14,579 --> 02:10:15,859
side or this side right now

2548
02:10:17,859 --> 02:10:24,340
okay so if it's is it cast is it is it clay i'm sure it's not pvc pipe it's concrete or it's a

2549
02:10:24,340 --> 02:10:30,340
pavement with a crack the supply line from the well it's probably cast iron so that's down below

2550
02:10:30,340 --> 02:10:35,100
the crack which could be 50 70 70 year old cast iron

2551
02:10:36,899 --> 02:10:43,380
uh dave what if we found a way to drain that puddle or put a put a deeper swale there

2552
02:10:44,180 --> 02:10:47,380
would it drain and well we're going to need that frosting again

2553
02:10:48,340 --> 02:10:54,420
that was all done correctly to start with yeah that's true there i mean there's a frosty there

2554
02:10:54,420 --> 02:10:59,539
if it's leaking a lot this place has been here forever though too who's to say it's got proper

2555
02:10:59,539 --> 02:11:04,819
drainage around the building it's well like you said it's all gravel i think things have changed

2556
02:11:04,819 --> 02:11:10,739
the last year because remember everybody on mill road not phil jeffson wrote a lot of people they

2557
02:11:10,739 --> 02:11:18,180
lost their water uh then the church got a lot of water in the basement why we don't know

2558
02:11:18,659 --> 02:11:26,670
i mean i don't know where to here we go again with the responsibility okay is the town responsible

2559
02:11:26,670 --> 02:11:32,350
for the well and so on we're going to go into that whose budget's going to come out of if you

2560
02:11:32,350 --> 02:11:36,510
got to do a scope and see if it's broke that's the cheapest thing to do to see if it's broken

2561
02:11:38,109 --> 02:11:42,109
i mean i i would like to just you know talk to the school and say can you do that

2562
02:11:44,819 --> 02:11:48,979
one of you asked the school board what was done because we just got it from my

2563
02:11:49,140 --> 02:11:55,100
sister thanks to me i don't know there's a thing there's a vein of water it's running

2564
02:11:55,659 --> 02:12:02,060
where it's coming from i can't say for sure water's where water freezes freezes like there's

2565
02:12:02,060 --> 02:12:07,020
no other running water and the ground is froze right so it's coming up it's finding that crack

2566
02:12:08,380 --> 02:12:13,579
right but then when the ground thawed now there's no water there because the water is draining

2567
02:12:13,579 --> 02:12:18,619
right through right so that's why yeah i agree with you laurie never saw anybody

2568
02:12:19,579 --> 02:12:27,220
on here it's logical that it's the well that's what i'm gonna i ask you is the source make it

2569
02:12:27,220 --> 02:12:33,819
makes more sense that it's a well than it is the river to me that it does the water table

2570
02:12:33,819 --> 02:12:41,010
of the river is not no no of course here i would say then let's have them check it out yeah see if

2571
02:12:41,010 --> 02:12:49,300
they'll get that done and then because again if we put put money into something and it doesn't work

2572
02:12:54,159 --> 02:13:02,189
we can put it back on there it goes there in the past yeah and you know we assault it the wind dries

2573
02:13:02,189 --> 02:13:08,750
it or whatever the sun dries it and it's over but it never dry out winter i come i come every morning

2574
02:13:08,750 --> 02:13:15,310
and shovel the water out so the kids don't yeah and we've never had lord's never had this issue

2575
02:13:15,310 --> 02:13:20,430
when i'm sure nancy hasn't all right and that carpet's been down 30 years just almost 30 years

2576
02:13:21,069 --> 02:13:24,590
we just asked the school it's tough enough if they scope it or if they slope it we're going to need to do something to make it better

2577
02:13:25,149 --> 02:13:27,149
Or find out what they did.

2578
02:13:27,149 --> 02:13:29,149
Do you want me to ask them?

2579
02:13:29,149 --> 02:13:31,149
Do you want me to go to a meeting?

2580
02:13:31,149 --> 02:13:33,149
Do you want me to just go talk to the principal?

2581
02:13:33,149 --> 02:13:35,149
Talk to the principal and get something in writing

2582
02:13:35,149 --> 02:13:37,149
or see what they did for a test.

2583
02:13:37,149 --> 02:13:39,149
And then we'll go from there.

2584
02:13:39,149 --> 02:13:41,149
Yes.

2585
02:13:41,149 --> 02:13:43,279
So Laurie, in the meantime,

2586
02:13:43,279 --> 02:13:45,279
are you comfortable having

2587
02:13:45,279 --> 02:13:47,279
that carpet under that plastic

2588
02:13:47,279 --> 02:13:49,279
or do you want to cut it out

2589
02:13:49,279 --> 02:13:51,789
and put something there?

2590
02:13:51,789 --> 02:13:53,789
The carpet is so thin

2591
02:13:53,789 --> 02:13:55,789
I don't think that plastic is going to dip down either.

2592
02:13:55,789 --> 02:13:57,789
No, no.

2593
02:13:57,789 --> 02:13:59,789
If it was that plastic,

2594
02:13:59,789 --> 02:14:01,789
that's all right.

2595
02:14:01,789 --> 02:14:03,789
So I think we're good.

2596
02:14:03,789 --> 02:14:05,789
Alright.

2597
02:14:05,789 --> 02:14:07,789
And just watch it.

2598
02:14:07,789 --> 02:14:10,500
Alright.

2599
02:14:10,500 --> 02:14:12,500
Sign revised

2600
02:14:12,500 --> 02:14:14,979
MERC grant agreement.

2601
02:14:14,979 --> 02:14:17,970
So we had asked

2602
02:14:17,970 --> 02:14:19,970
to do the highway

2603
02:14:19,970 --> 02:14:21,970
garage doors, the big doors

2604
02:14:21,970 --> 02:14:23,970
and then the side entry man door.

2605
02:14:23,970 --> 02:14:25,970
And there was extra money

2606
02:14:25,970 --> 02:14:27,970
so they decided to upgrade

2607
02:14:27,970 --> 02:14:29,970
the electrical so Dave

2608
02:14:29,970 --> 02:14:31,970
could use a generator and stuff.

2609
02:14:31,970 --> 02:14:33,970
And that was kind of thrown in at the end.

2610
02:14:33,970 --> 02:14:35,970
And when it came time

2611
02:14:35,970 --> 02:14:37,970
to ask for payment,

2612
02:14:37,970 --> 02:14:39,970
they realized the grant agreement

2613
02:14:39,970 --> 02:14:41,970
didn't have the electrical upgrade

2614
02:14:41,970 --> 02:14:43,970
so they had to do a new grant agreement

2615
02:14:43,970 --> 02:14:45,970
to include that.

2616
02:14:45,970 --> 02:14:47,970
And we've already gotten paid for it

2617
02:14:47,970 --> 02:14:49,970
so it's just a formality.

2618
02:14:49,970 --> 02:14:51,970
So we got paid for both the door

2619
02:14:51,970 --> 02:14:55,380
and the electrical?

2620
02:14:55,380 --> 02:14:57,380
Yes.

2621
02:14:57,380 --> 02:15:13,140
Alright.

2622
02:15:13,140 --> 02:15:20,770
So we're going to go back

2623
02:15:20,770 --> 02:15:22,770
to Lori, too.

2624
02:15:22,770 --> 02:15:24,899
Any sign uniform,

2625
02:15:24,899 --> 02:15:26,899
municipal excess weight permit,

2626
02:15:26,899 --> 02:15:28,899
Arcade Miles?

2627
02:15:28,899 --> 02:15:31,729
Arcade Miles.

2628
02:15:31,729 --> 02:15:35,579
And then this week we also got one

2629
02:15:35,579 --> 02:15:37,579
from Amerigas.

2630
02:15:37,579 --> 02:15:40,930
So there's two.

2631
02:15:40,930 --> 02:15:49,680
These are the overweight permits?

2632
02:15:49,680 --> 02:15:54,720
Yes.

2633
02:15:54,720 --> 02:15:56,720
I guess I did have extra correspondence.

2634
02:15:56,720 --> 02:15:58,720
So the log truck should be

2635
02:15:58,720 --> 02:16:00,750
signing these, too.

2636
02:16:00,750 --> 02:16:02,750
How many now?

2637
02:16:02,750 --> 02:16:06,319
Old business,

2638
02:16:06,319 --> 02:16:08,319
911 numbering update.

2639
02:16:08,319 --> 02:16:10,319
Any update from?

2640
02:16:10,319 --> 02:16:12,859
Okay.

2641
02:16:12,859 --> 02:16:15,380
Last I knew they were working on it.

2642
02:16:15,380 --> 02:16:17,859
New business, we've got the letter.

2643
02:16:17,859 --> 02:16:19,859
We've read that already.

2644
02:16:19,859 --> 02:16:21,859
Anybody else?

2645
02:16:21,859 --> 02:16:24,340
I have a question.

2646
02:16:24,340 --> 02:16:27,810
Lisa just lost that.

2647
02:16:27,810 --> 02:16:30,029
Maybe Jim?

2648
02:16:30,029 --> 02:16:32,290
During the plan board,

2649
02:16:32,290 --> 02:16:37,739
they're talking about the town plan.

2650
02:16:37,739 --> 02:16:40,959
That's what you're getting?

2651
02:16:40,959 --> 02:16:42,959
I just have one question.

2652
02:16:42,959 --> 02:16:44,959
Are you talking about the town village at all?

2653
02:16:44,959 --> 02:16:46,959
Well, that's part of the concept.

2654
02:16:46,959 --> 02:16:48,959
Is there a possibility

2655
02:16:48,959 --> 02:16:50,959
that that town village can be

2656
02:16:50,959 --> 02:16:54,530
expanded?

2657
02:16:54,530 --> 02:16:56,530
That's what I was hoping,

2658
02:16:56,530 --> 02:16:58,530
but it was

2659
02:16:58,530 --> 02:17:00,530
already decided.

2660
02:17:00,530 --> 02:17:02,530
But then I've been doing some research

2661
02:17:02,530 --> 02:17:04,659
on it and it's

2662
02:17:04,659 --> 02:17:06,659
not decided yet.

2663
02:17:06,659 --> 02:17:08,659
Well, I always thought

2664
02:17:08,659 --> 02:17:10,659
when they, remember when they

2665
02:17:10,659 --> 02:17:12,659
first did it, they said, well,

2666
02:17:12,659 --> 02:17:14,659
we can start small, but then we can add

2667
02:17:14,659 --> 02:17:16,659
things around it.

2668
02:17:16,659 --> 02:17:18,659
There's also, I think it's like

2669
02:17:18,659 --> 02:17:20,659
a quarter acre circumference

2670
02:17:20,659 --> 02:17:22,659
around that village that you can designate

2671
02:17:22,659 --> 02:17:24,659
as a planned development area.

2672
02:17:24,659 --> 02:17:26,659
Well, I mean, it's no secret

2673
02:17:26,659 --> 02:17:28,659
I bought a building down the road

2674
02:17:28,659 --> 02:17:30,659
and then you've got John's next door

2675
02:17:30,659 --> 02:17:32,659
to me and

2676
02:17:32,659 --> 02:17:34,659
Billmont's store.

2677
02:17:34,659 --> 02:17:36,659
Actually, Pam

2678
02:17:36,659 --> 02:17:38,659
has permits for a business.

2679
02:17:38,659 --> 02:17:40,659
I always do that as a commercial district

2680
02:17:40,659 --> 02:17:42,659
if there's such a thing in Stanford.

2681
02:17:42,659 --> 02:17:44,659
Well, if I did start a store

2682
02:17:44,659 --> 02:17:46,659
there that I wanted to get,

2683
02:17:46,659 --> 02:17:48,659
yeah, it's a personal thing too,

2684
02:17:48,659 --> 02:17:50,659
but I was looking and saying that's

2685
02:17:50,659 --> 02:17:52,659
a lot of property that could expand

2686
02:17:52,659 --> 02:17:54,659
and help the town.

2687
02:17:54,659 --> 02:17:56,659
And that's where...

2688
02:17:56,659 --> 02:17:58,659
You know, it's not just me.

2689
02:17:58,659 --> 02:18:00,659
That's my issue too.

2690
02:18:00,659 --> 02:18:02,659
If there's something

2691
02:18:02,659 --> 02:18:04,659
I didn't really understand that I wanted to

2692
02:18:04,659 --> 02:18:06,659
once we really dove into it,

2693
02:18:06,659 --> 02:18:08,659
we had to,

2694
02:18:08,659 --> 02:18:11,010
I guess,

2695
02:18:11,010 --> 02:18:13,010
is Lisa over there?

2696
02:18:13,010 --> 02:18:15,010
So,

2697
02:18:15,010 --> 02:18:17,139
we had to

2698
02:18:17,139 --> 02:18:19,139
tell the state or

2699
02:18:19,139 --> 02:18:21,139
Bennington, we're going to have a village center.

2700
02:18:21,139 --> 02:18:23,139
We decided we were going to have a village center.

2701
02:18:23,139 --> 02:18:25,139
Then they came with a map and said,

2702
02:18:25,139 --> 02:18:27,139
show us where it is.

2703
02:18:27,139 --> 02:18:29,139
And it was Lisa and Pete

2704
02:18:29,139 --> 02:18:31,139
worked on something about,

2705
02:18:31,139 --> 02:18:33,139
okay, here it is.

2706
02:18:33,139 --> 02:18:35,229
And I said, well, why wouldn't you

2707
02:18:35,229 --> 02:18:37,229
expand it to the mass border

2708
02:18:37,229 --> 02:18:39,229
and to the bridge? That's where I see it.

2709
02:18:39,229 --> 02:18:41,229
Quarter mile up.

2710
02:18:41,229 --> 02:18:43,229
There's their...

2711
02:18:43,229 --> 02:18:45,229
Who did?

2712
02:18:45,229 --> 02:18:47,229
Didn't they say it was too big or something?

2713
02:18:47,229 --> 02:18:49,229
It was too big. They said

2714
02:18:49,229 --> 02:18:51,229
it'll never pass.

2715
02:18:51,229 --> 02:18:53,229
What they really want

2716
02:18:53,229 --> 02:18:55,229
is the quarter acre

2717
02:18:55,229 --> 02:18:57,229
circumference. That's the development area

2718
02:18:57,229 --> 02:18:59,229
that surrounds the village.

2719
02:18:59,229 --> 02:19:01,229
So that's where you get condensed

2720
02:19:01,229 --> 02:19:03,229
development.

2721
02:19:03,229 --> 02:19:05,229
Ultimately, that's the goal.

2722
02:19:05,229 --> 02:19:07,229
You guys should be the ones

2723
02:19:07,229 --> 02:19:09,229
looking at

2724
02:19:09,229 --> 02:19:11,229
where you guys want the village.

2725
02:19:11,229 --> 02:19:13,229
We will tell Bennington

2726
02:19:13,229 --> 02:19:15,229
and go from there.

2727
02:19:15,229 --> 02:19:17,229
This is a personal thing,

2728
02:19:17,229 --> 02:19:19,229
more than it is a flat board thing.

2729
02:19:19,229 --> 02:19:21,229
We actually had to fight

2730
02:19:21,229 --> 02:19:23,229
just to get this door on.

2731
02:19:23,229 --> 02:19:25,229
But it opens us up for grants and stuff.

2732
02:19:27,229 --> 02:19:29,229
Sorry.

2733
02:19:29,229 --> 02:19:31,229
Well, I was taking the minutes

2734
02:19:31,229 --> 02:19:33,229
of the meeting back when they created

2735
02:19:33,229 --> 02:19:35,229
the village district. And they wanted it very large.

2736
02:19:35,229 --> 02:19:37,229
From the town line

2737
02:19:37,229 --> 02:19:39,229
to the bridge and out.

2738
02:19:39,229 --> 02:19:41,229
And they submitted it

2739
02:19:41,229 --> 02:19:43,229
to the state VCR. She said, I don't think

2740
02:19:43,229 --> 02:19:45,229
it'll fly. And the state is the one

2741
02:19:45,229 --> 02:19:47,229
who denied it and said, absolutely not.

2742
02:19:47,229 --> 02:19:49,229
And gave us the postage stamp that we have.

2743
02:19:49,229 --> 02:19:51,229
Why?

2744
02:19:51,229 --> 02:19:53,229
Well, they have to fund grants

2745
02:19:53,229 --> 02:19:55,229
in the area. They don't want a big area.

2746
02:19:55,229 --> 02:19:57,229
But when you've got

2747
02:19:57,229 --> 02:19:59,229
properties that are so far apart.

2748
02:19:59,229 --> 02:20:01,229
But they turned around.

2749
02:20:01,229 --> 02:20:03,229
A girl came last year, that Callie

2750
02:20:03,229 --> 02:20:05,229
or whatever her name is, and said

2751
02:20:05,229 --> 02:20:07,229
we can open it up. The state

2752
02:20:07,229 --> 02:20:09,229
is allowing different things. Now's

2753
02:20:09,229 --> 02:20:11,229
the time to change the village district.

2754
02:20:11,229 --> 02:20:13,229
But there was something they were complaining about.

2755
02:20:13,229 --> 02:20:15,229
And it never really happened.

2756
02:20:15,229 --> 02:20:17,229
It just kind of died.

2757
02:20:17,229 --> 02:20:19,229
Because there was a time

2758
02:20:19,229 --> 02:20:21,229
when she said, you guys can do whatever

2759
02:20:21,229 --> 02:20:23,229
you want.

2760
02:20:23,229 --> 02:20:25,620
Well, I would like the plan board

2761
02:20:25,620 --> 02:20:27,620
to look into it. And if I need to go to the

2762
02:20:27,620 --> 02:20:29,620
plan board meeting and bring it up, I will.

2763
02:20:29,620 --> 02:20:31,620
I'm just saying that if there

2764
02:20:31,620 --> 02:20:33,620
is an opportunity, especially down

2765
02:20:33,620 --> 02:20:35,620
towards the line.

2766
02:20:35,620 --> 02:20:37,620
If I could get, like,

2767
02:20:37,620 --> 02:20:39,620
say I go and ask for a grant for

2768
02:20:39,620 --> 02:20:41,620
solar or windows.

2769
02:20:41,620 --> 02:20:43,620
You know, something good.

2770
02:20:43,620 --> 02:20:45,620
I'm not looking to ask for a grant

2771
02:20:45,620 --> 02:20:47,620
to put something bad in.

2772
02:20:47,620 --> 02:20:49,840
I want to do good for the town.

2773
02:20:49,840 --> 02:20:51,840
But if there's

2774
02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:53,840
grants available, that's nice.

2775
02:20:53,840 --> 02:20:55,840
And there's more business that way

2776
02:20:55,840 --> 02:20:57,840
than there is this way.

2777
02:20:57,840 --> 02:20:59,840
The push this year was actually

2778
02:20:59,840 --> 02:21:01,840
to go up to the town garage.

2779
02:21:01,840 --> 02:21:03,840
I think that's what Pete and Lisa were trying to do.

2780
02:21:03,840 --> 02:21:05,840
They were trying to get it extended to the garage

2781
02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:07,840
up there to have that be open for

2782
02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:09,840
grants. But they said it was too detached.

2783
02:21:09,840 --> 02:21:11,840
Basically too far away from the center.

2784
02:21:11,840 --> 02:21:13,840
Yeah.

2785
02:21:13,840 --> 02:21:15,840
Going that way would not fit.

2786
02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:17,840
Yeah, exactly. And there's

2787
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:19,840
municipal grants for these guys.

2788
02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:21,840
For a town-village type thing.

2789
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:23,840
You know, if I wanted to put some

2790
02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:25,840
town housing in or something,

2791
02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:27,840
that would be nice. You know, it could have

2792
02:21:27,840 --> 02:21:29,840
a couple apartments in there or something.

2793
02:21:29,840 --> 02:21:31,840
I didn't bring my

2794
02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:33,840
plan board with me today,

2795
02:21:33,840 --> 02:21:35,840
but the

2796
02:21:35,840 --> 02:21:37,840
grant that you guys received to do

2797
02:21:37,840 --> 02:21:39,840
these sidewalks and stuff.

2798
02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:41,840
Something to do with the transportation

2799
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:43,840
department and stuff. Well, we

2800
02:21:43,840 --> 02:21:45,840
finished it. The deadline was

2801
02:21:45,840 --> 02:21:47,840
November,

2802
02:21:47,840 --> 02:21:49,840
no, when was it?

2803
02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:51,840
Just a couple, just last month

2804
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:53,840
I think it was. It was the deadline

2805
02:21:53,840 --> 02:21:55,840
for a grant for a

2806
02:21:55,840 --> 02:21:57,840
village that had to be designated.

2807
02:21:57,840 --> 02:21:59,840
And it was the same

2808
02:21:59,840 --> 02:22:01,840
you know,

2809
02:22:01,840 --> 02:22:03,840
it was that same grant, but only

2810
02:22:03,840 --> 02:22:05,840
for village centers.

2811
02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:07,840
It was basically that it had to be designated.

2812
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:09,840
And we are designated already.

2813
02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:11,840
Where it goes to,

2814
02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:14,159
I mean, I don't know if that's

2815
02:22:14,159 --> 02:22:16,159
actually been done yet, because that's part of the town.

2816
02:22:16,159 --> 02:22:18,159
Well, I'd like to just look at it, if it can be

2817
02:22:18,159 --> 02:22:20,159
expanded, which it sounds like it can be.

2818
02:22:20,159 --> 02:22:22,159
And it will, if it doesn't

2819
02:22:22,159 --> 02:22:24,159
pass, it doesn't pass.

2820
02:22:24,159 --> 02:22:26,159
Come to the next planning commission meeting.

2821
02:22:26,159 --> 02:22:28,159
I think Lisa put Callie

2822
02:22:28,159 --> 02:22:30,159
on the agenda

2823
02:22:30,159 --> 02:22:32,219
again, because there's been some

2824
02:22:32,219 --> 02:22:34,219
movement in the

2825
02:22:34,219 --> 02:22:36,219
town plan and stuff. When is your next meeting?

2826
02:22:36,219 --> 02:22:38,219
On Mondays?

2827
02:22:38,219 --> 02:22:40,219
Second Monday.

2828
02:22:40,219 --> 02:22:42,219
I mean, I think you can

2829
02:22:42,219 --> 02:22:44,219
submit whatever you want to the state,

2830
02:22:44,219 --> 02:22:46,219
and then it goes to some board of approval

2831
02:22:46,219 --> 02:22:48,219
for it.

2832
02:22:48,219 --> 02:22:50,219
Well, you already have one, so it wouldn't hurt to ask now, right?

2833
02:22:50,219 --> 02:22:52,219
Well, if you wanted to expand it, you would probably have to go

2834
02:22:52,219 --> 02:22:54,219
I mean, I think

2835
02:22:54,219 --> 02:22:56,219
You wouldn't lose the whole thing, would you?

2836
02:22:56,219 --> 02:22:58,219
No, no.

2837
02:22:58,219 --> 02:23:00,219
That's what I'm saying, so if you already have this, and you just want to make it bigger,

2838
02:23:00,219 --> 02:23:02,219
it doesn't hurt to ask.

2839
02:23:02,219 --> 02:23:04,219
I agree with you. I think it should be all made

2840
02:23:04,219 --> 02:23:06,219
to the line, just from the bridge to the line.

2841
02:23:06,219 --> 02:23:08,219
Okay.

2842
02:23:08,219 --> 02:23:10,260
Mike, it's the 13th.

2843
02:23:10,260 --> 02:23:13,700
13th.

2844
02:23:13,700 --> 02:23:17,620
This makes sense. Over here.

2845
02:23:17,620 --> 02:23:25,600
Okay.

2846
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:34,610
New business?

2847
02:23:34,610 --> 02:23:36,610
Can I have a motion to go into executive

2848
02:23:36,610 --> 02:23:40,719
session?

2849
02:23:40,719 --> 02:23:43,780
Deb, were you coming in?

2850
02:23:43,780 --> 02:23:45,780
Or we solved all your problems

2851
02:23:45,780 --> 02:23:47,899
now?

2852
02:23:47,899 --> 02:23:49,940
That was your

2853
02:23:49,940 --> 02:23:52,450
That was your question.

2854
02:23:52,450 --> 02:23:54,450
Unless you need me to

2855
02:23:54,450 --> 02:23:56,450
No, I think we're good.

2856
02:23:56,450 --> 02:23:58,450
Jim, you wanted to come in.

2857
02:23:58,450 --> 02:24:00,540
Okay.

2858
02:24:00,540 --> 02:24:02,540
Good night, Bill.

2859
02:24:02,540 --> 02:24:04,540
Motion?

2860
02:24:04,540 --> 02:24:06,540
I'm sorry.

2861
02:24:06,540 --> 02:24:08,540
You're probably a little

2862
02:24:08,540 --> 02:24:10,540
Yeah, you'll be okay.

2863
02:24:10,540 --> 02:24:12,540
Is it for personnel?

2864
02:24:12,540 --> 02:24:14,540
To address this letter from

2865
02:24:14,540 --> 02:24:16,540
To address our ethics

2866
02:24:16,540 --> 02:24:18,540
violation or whatever?

2867
02:24:18,540 --> 02:24:20,540
Is that

2868
02:24:20,540 --> 02:24:22,540
What do I call

2869
02:24:22,540 --> 02:24:24,540
that?

2870
02:24:24,540 --> 02:24:26,540
All personnel.

2871
02:24:26,540 --> 02:24:28,540
Personnel member?

2872
02:24:28,540 --> 02:24:30,540
Yep.

2873
02:24:30,540 --> 02:24:32,540
Oh, to go in?

2874
02:24:32,540 --> 02:24:34,540
No, you can stand.

2875
02:24:34,540 --> 02:24:36,579
Put it back.

2876
02:24:36,579 --> 02:24:38,579
I don't know.

2877
02:24:38,579 --> 02:24:40,579
Keep it up.

2878
02:24:40,579 --> 02:24:42,579
Oh.

2879
02:24:42,579 --> 02:24:44,579
Yeah.

2880
02:24:44,579 --> 02:24:46,579
No.

2881
02:24:46,579 --> 02:24:48,829
Okay.

2882
02:24:50,829 --> 02:24:53,600
Is that going to be

2883
02:24:53,600 --> 02:24:58,129
Yep.

2884
02:24:58,129 --> 02:25:00,129
Thanks.