1 00:00:00,940 --> 00:00:06,019 I call the meeting to order with a Pledge of Allegiance. 2 00:00:06,019 --> 00:00:07,059 Pledge of Allegiance. 3 00:00:07,059 --> 00:00:10,259 To the flag of the United States of America. 4 00:00:10,259 --> 00:00:14,460 To the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, 5 00:00:14,460 --> 00:00:17,460 indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 6 00:00:23,660 --> 00:00:26,219 Welcome to a meeting of the Stanford Select Board. 7 00:00:26,219 --> 00:00:30,620 If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, 8 00:00:30,620 --> 00:00:33,939 you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and 9 00:00:33,939 --> 00:00:35,240 address. 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,299 You will notice that all our meetings are recorded and 11 00:00:38,299 --> 00:00:41,740 this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes. 12 00:00:41,740 --> 00:00:45,840 Visitors are welcome and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,820 15 minutes per topic. 14 00:00:47,820 --> 00:00:52,700 Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others. 15 00:00:52,700 --> 00:00:54,659 Select board members present are. 16 00:00:54,659 --> 00:00:55,380 Mike Duran. 17 00:00:55,380 --> 00:00:56,479 Nancy Peschica. 18 00:00:56,479 --> 00:00:57,920 Doug Wright. 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,740 Will there be any adding of items or removing items from tonight's agenda? 20 00:01:04,709 --> 00:01:06,209 Okay. 21 00:01:06,209 --> 00:01:08,109 I do have that correspondence. 22 00:01:08,109 --> 00:01:14,599 Yeah, I have correspondence too, and then there's correspondence. 23 00:01:14,599 --> 00:01:20,480 Will there be any adjustments to the agenda such as changing the order of items? 24 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:27,540 Okay, hearing of visitors. 25 00:01:27,540 --> 00:01:29,260 What did you want to do for adjournment? 26 00:01:29,260 --> 00:01:30,480 Adjournment first. 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,079 You need your forces to stay here. 28 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:36,340 Reading and approval of records and 29 00:01:36,340 --> 00:01:39,500 orders from November 20th. 30 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:40,500 Motion to approve. 31 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:42,959 Second. 32 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,359 Okay, all in favor? 33 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:46,420 Aye. 34 00:01:46,420 --> 00:01:50,049 All right, highway update, Dave? 35 00:01:50,049 --> 00:01:51,049 Did you do the visitors? 36 00:01:51,049 --> 00:01:51,849 Nobody wants to talk? 37 00:01:51,849 --> 00:01:52,650 Nobody wanted to talk. 38 00:01:52,650 --> 00:01:53,849 Uh-oh. 39 00:01:53,849 --> 00:01:57,659 We've been down on some heating issues in the garage. 40 00:01:57,659 --> 00:02:04,730 Unfortunately, we're gonna have to replace both sources of heat in the gas furnace. 41 00:02:04,730 --> 00:02:14,259 This temporarily needs to be replaced. 42 00:02:14,259 --> 00:02:19,539 Parts weren't gonna be available for the wood furnace until February. 43 00:02:19,539 --> 00:02:29,789 That's if they actually, the wood furnace is on sale for $2,000. 44 00:02:29,789 --> 00:02:31,189 And do you wear a furnace? 45 00:02:31,189 --> 00:02:32,189 Yeah. 46 00:02:32,189 --> 00:02:33,189 It's just a forced hot air. 47 00:02:33,189 --> 00:02:34,189 Yep. 48 00:02:34,189 --> 00:02:35,189 So, if you wait it out, I'm gonna spend more than $1,000 in gas. 49 00:02:35,189 --> 00:02:36,580 Sure. 50 00:02:36,580 --> 00:02:42,219 So, I might as well just get the new furnace and we're starting new again with the furnace. 51 00:02:42,219 --> 00:02:48,219 I can either toss the old one or keep it and fix it and, you know. 52 00:02:48,219 --> 00:02:49,219 It's on sale for $2,000? 53 00:02:49,219 --> 00:02:50,340 Yeah. 54 00:02:50,340 --> 00:02:51,340 My father-in-law just bought a wood stove for $2,400. 55 00:02:51,340 --> 00:02:52,340 So, it's good. 56 00:02:52,340 --> 00:02:53,340 Yeah, it was $3,000. 57 00:02:53,340 --> 00:02:54,340 Yeah. 58 00:02:54,340 --> 00:02:55,340 It was on sale for $2,000. 59 00:02:55,340 --> 00:02:56,340 Yeah. 60 00:02:56,340 --> 00:02:57,340 It was $2,000. 61 00:02:57,340 --> 00:02:58,340 It was $2,000. 62 00:02:58,340 --> 00:02:59,340 It was $2,000. 63 00:02:59,340 --> 00:03:00,340 Yeah. 64 00:03:00,340 --> 00:03:01,340 It was on sale on Cyber Monday. 65 00:03:01,340 --> 00:03:02,340 Yeah. 66 00:03:02,340 --> 00:03:07,759 So, it just made sense that we just buy a new one. 67 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:08,759 You're installing it? 68 00:03:08,759 --> 00:03:09,759 Yeah. 69 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:10,759 The wood furnace will install. 70 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:11,759 It's supposed to be in tomorrow. 71 00:03:11,759 --> 00:03:13,110 Yeah. 72 00:03:13,110 --> 00:03:14,780 So, but Kyle from H.A. 73 00:03:14,780 --> 00:03:15,780 George came up and breathed a little life into the gas one to kind of get us through. 74 00:03:15,780 --> 00:03:16,780 Yeah. 75 00:03:16,780 --> 00:03:17,780 They already had the replacement gas furnace for us. 76 00:03:17,780 --> 00:03:18,780 It's just they gotta get their forklift up there and so it's gonna, you know, it's a 77 00:03:18,780 --> 00:03:19,780 bit of a job because it's home from home. 78 00:03:19,780 --> 00:03:20,780 Yeah. 79 00:03:20,780 --> 00:03:21,780 So, it's a little bit of a job because it's home from home. 80 00:03:21,780 --> 00:03:22,780 Yeah. 81 00:03:22,780 --> 00:03:23,780 So, it's a little bit of a job because it's home from home. 82 00:03:23,780 --> 00:03:24,780 Yeah. 83 00:03:24,780 --> 00:03:25,780 So, it's a little bit of a job because it's home from home. 84 00:03:25,780 --> 00:03:34,780 So, it's a little bit of a job because it's home from Derek Holder. 85 00:03:34,780 --> 00:03:35,780 Yep. 86 00:03:35,780 --> 00:03:36,780 So, they weren't able to do that. 87 00:03:36,780 --> 00:03:37,780 They came up yesterday with the intention of doing it. 88 00:03:37,780 --> 00:03:38,780 You got a price on that? 89 00:03:38,780 --> 00:03:39,780 It's 882.25"? 90 00:03:39,780 --> 00:03:40,780 I think was the price we got for gas. 91 00:03:40,780 --> 00:03:41,780 That's installed. 92 00:03:41,780 --> 00:03:42,780 He's burning that in, I think. 93 00:03:42,780 --> 00:03:43,780 Yeah. 94 00:03:43,780 --> 00:03:44,780 So, but they have it. 95 00:03:44,780 --> 00:03:45,780 It's just a matter of months up to be there. 96 00:03:45,780 --> 00:03:46,780 Yeah. 97 00:03:46,780 --> 00:03:47,780 As far as this time of year, they're pretty busy so. 98 00:03:47,780 --> 00:03:49,039 Yeah. 99 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:50,039 Oh, yeah. 100 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:51,039 We have been hearing from them yesterday. 101 00:03:51,039 --> 00:03:52,039 No, it's not when it's installed. 102 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:53,039 Well, kind of, it was a quick answer. 103 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:54,039 Yeah. 104 00:03:54,039 --> 00:03:55,039 Your legs were under pressure to your little man. 105 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:56,039 Yeah. 106 00:03:56,039 --> 00:04:05,289 heat, I'm good with it. Yep. Always keeps a man left on hand. Huh? Always, everybody keeps a man left on hand. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 107 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:24,860 All the equipment's running, we've been out, you know, the weather we've been getting. Sounds good. That's it. Did you have, uh, James plow? Yeah, he plowed 108 00:04:24,860 --> 00:05:47,740 the other day. Doing okay? Yeah. Nice. Glad that's working. Yeah. Uh, recycling. They're still bringing the crummy dumpsters, trying to get them to, we have to buy them. Is it worse, though, in the summer? It's hard to say, I guess you'd have to ask Carol or Paul. Moving on to discussion, future, plan future budget meetings. Before you move on, um, I've had one caller submit his registration. Oh yeah. For 2020. 109 00:05:47,759 --> 00:06:24,060 I think probably the Alliance is sending it out. Yeah. So they must have got them out pretty early to get that one back, and that one's usually pretty good, responds. So if they don't respond, I'll be calling them January, in mid-January. Future budget meetings, uh, we were going to start, uh, reviewing employees this week, but because of the tree lighting, so, um, we're hoping to have, come on in, 110 00:06:24,060 --> 00:06:24,300 sit down. 111 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:42,269 We're hoping to have the, uh, executive session, budget review next week at, what did we say? Oh, 6 o'clock. But Lori, uh, you're scheduling another meeting at 5.30, right? 112 00:06:42,769 --> 00:06:57,040 So, um, not on the 18th. I had a second call today, so you're going to have a 5 o'clock and a 5.30 board of abatement. Okay. And then your regular 6 o'clock meeting. 113 00:06:59,310 --> 00:07:30,339 No, the 18th. On the 18th. Okay. All right. So next Thursday, 6 o'clock, executive session, reviewing, uh, wait, Cindy, reviewing employees. Okay. All right. For those of you that were here for the tree lighting, um, I just wanted to say again, thank you, Cindy. This is seven years that we've been doing the tree lighting. Um, thank you for taking this on. 114 00:07:30,339 --> 00:07:37,480 Um, and like I said, next year, maybe you can order better weather and not so cold. 115 00:07:37,480 --> 00:08:00,120 I'm going to leave cookies on Lori's desk because I was anticipating a little bit more participation. I know the weather's crappy. Yeah. But even in Reedsboro, we get like 50 to 60 people that come out. Yeah. So 10 dozen cookies is nothing. So I was like, okay, so I'm not going home with them all. So I'm going to put them on here. 116 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:30,100 10 dozen on your desk and there's some right there too. 10 dozen on your desk? No. Well, no, they are. And then I am going to leave her another three dozen. Yeah. Bring them to your kids at school too. No, because I'm not there tomorrow. Oh, okay. And the principal really frowns on a lot of sweets. Yeah. Gets the kids. So a big difference from the days of Mr. Ethier and Mr. Switz and things are different. Yeah. You can't be giving treats. Okay. Thank you. 117 00:08:30,120 --> 00:09:10,299 Thank you, Cindy. Thank you, Cindy. And I want to thank Gene and Lori for decorating the tree and providing refreshments. Mike for putting it up. Mike, yes. Mike, thank you. Okay. So December 11th, executive session, the 18th at 5 o'clock. Correspondence, Lori. Do you guys go to the finance committee? No. Last year we had no volunteers. Okay. Should even maybe the year before. 118 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:57,460 Maybe the year before. Yeah. A bill from the attorney. I think Nancy has it in her box. If you guys want to look at it. It's not as scary as I would have thought it was. Well, we don't have all our bills in yet. Not close to what I thought it was. We'll have the figures to see what the assessor fee was. And yeah. And the Rural Fire Protection Task Force had submitted, last year they submitted a request. 119 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:33,019 For an appropriation. And our policy says any increase or new organization needs to have a petition. Which they didn't do. So last year there was no appropriation made to them. And then this year they automatically submitted their request again. So I returned my normal email saying here's our policy. You know, you're now kind of considered a new organization plus the increased amount. 120 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:51,960 You'd have to do a petition. He discredited the fact that he is a social service organization. He would like us to honor the request. But he also said, if not, I'm not doing a petition. So, disregard it. So I don't know how you feel. 121 00:10:51,960 --> 00:11:04,019 You can talk at warrant time too, but why have a policy if we're going to just every time just say, okay. I don't care. Yeah. Yeah. Who is this? Vermont Rural Firefighters. 122 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:13,659 I don't want to give you guys grants, but can you go up to the fire station and get 30 signatures and get a petition? 38? 123 00:11:13,659 --> 00:11:19,360 If we had 30 people show up at the firehouse, we'd only get about 16 at a good day. 124 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:29,889 I got a lot at recycling too. And if anybody wants to do it, there's still plenty of time. The petitions don't have to be in until probably mid-January. 125 00:11:29,889 --> 00:11:31,889 January 15th. 126 00:11:31,889 --> 00:11:38,659 Okay. 127 00:11:38,659 --> 00:11:42,850 Um. 128 00:11:42,850 --> 00:11:44,850 What did they ask for? 129 00:11:44,850 --> 00:12:03,100 200. They should be at 100. So when they upped it to 200, I told them they needed a petition. This is our policy. And they didn't bother. So, again, this year they're looking for 200. But now that they've lapsed a year, they have a double hurdle. They have to start over. 130 00:12:03,100 --> 00:12:09,169 I'll try to remember to bring it up at the firehouse and see if somebody needs to pick it up from there. 131 00:12:09,169 --> 00:12:11,169 Yeah. 132 00:12:11,169 --> 00:12:13,169 The wording has been in other years. 133 00:12:13,169 --> 00:12:15,169 Signatures in the town report, how to word it. 134 00:12:15,169 --> 00:12:17,169 Yep. 135 00:12:17,169 --> 00:12:19,549 Signatures. 136 00:12:19,549 --> 00:12:40,100 The other thing I have is an upcoming event for VLCT. It's Open Meeting Law Basics. It's a webinar. December 10th, 10 to 1130. You can sign up at home and watch from your own computer at home or you can come here to the town office. 137 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:42,100 Laurie usually has one set up here if there's more people that want to watch. 138 00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:44,100 Okay. 139 00:12:44,100 --> 00:12:46,100 And you can come see this webinar. 140 00:12:46,100 --> 00:12:48,350 It's free. 141 00:12:48,350 --> 00:12:50,350 And it's free. 142 00:12:50,350 --> 00:12:52,669 I'm sorry, the date again? 143 00:12:52,669 --> 00:12:55,759 December 10th. It's next Wednesday. 144 00:12:55,759 --> 00:12:57,759 Wednesday. 145 00:12:57,759 --> 00:13:00,500 Wednesday, 10 to 1130. 146 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:03,519 Open Meeting Law Basics. 147 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:06,639 Laurie took it. 148 00:13:06,639 --> 00:13:08,639 Oh. 149 00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:11,730 Twice. Three times. 150 00:13:11,730 --> 00:13:13,730 Well, they always tell you something new that you probably don't want to hear. 151 00:13:13,730 --> 00:13:17,070 Yeah. 152 00:13:17,070 --> 00:13:19,970 Also, the governor will be in Bennington tomorrow. 153 00:13:19,970 --> 00:13:21,970 1040. 154 00:13:21,970 --> 00:13:25,970 1045 to 1145 at the Bennington Firehouse, River Street in Bennington. 155 00:13:25,970 --> 00:13:40,220 He has a meeting of Southern Vermont fire chiefs, police chiefs, select board members regarding public safety in our communities. 156 00:13:40,220 --> 00:13:52,750 So if anyone's interested in going and be up there and we can let them know what we are fine with our coverage. 157 00:13:52,750 --> 00:13:54,980 Mike, you could go, huh? 158 00:13:54,980 --> 00:13:57,389 I'm fine with our coverage. 159 00:13:57,389 --> 00:14:01,389 I think we've got more state trooper coverage now that we don't have a contract than we ever had. 160 00:14:01,389 --> 00:14:03,389 True. 161 00:14:03,389 --> 00:14:05,389 He comes down all the time. 162 00:14:05,389 --> 00:14:07,389 He speaks with me all the time now. 163 00:14:07,389 --> 00:14:09,389 I'm happy with him. 164 00:14:09,389 --> 00:14:11,389 Good. 165 00:14:11,389 --> 00:14:13,389 And it doesn't cost us anything. 166 00:14:13,389 --> 00:14:15,389 He's the fellow who lives and meets me. 167 00:14:15,389 --> 00:14:17,389 Yeah. 168 00:14:17,389 --> 00:14:19,389 So he spends a lot of time in this town now. 169 00:14:19,389 --> 00:14:21,840 Which is nice. 170 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,840 I bet you he's done more this summer than the sheriffs did. 171 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,840 Not to put the sheriffs down. 172 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,159 Have you noticed where he sits? 173 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:30,159 A lot of places. 174 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:32,159 That's what I'm saying. 175 00:14:32,159 --> 00:14:34,159 Yeah. 176 00:14:34,159 --> 00:14:36,159 Not one spot where you can figure him out at 11 o'clock in the afternoon. 177 00:14:36,159 --> 00:14:38,320 I liked it when he backed into the sign right here. 178 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,320 The church? 179 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,320 Yeah. 180 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,320 He backs into the sign so you can't see him coming from Belmont. 181 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,320 Yeah. 182 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,320 But you know what? 183 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,320 You can't see him coming from Belmont. 184 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,320 Yeah. 185 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,320 That's the thing. 186 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,320 And again, I'm not saying the new sheriff. 187 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,320 Because we never hired him. 188 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,320 But the old sheriff. 189 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,320 They were spending the same up at the fire department. 190 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,639 Sitting there. 191 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:08,269 We're paying that your money. 192 00:15:08,269 --> 00:15:10,269 That's crazy. 193 00:15:10,269 --> 00:15:13,419 Okay. 194 00:15:13,419 --> 00:15:15,970 That's all I have under correspondence. 195 00:15:15,970 --> 00:15:17,970 Old business. 196 00:15:17,970 --> 00:15:25,730 Anything on the 911 numbering update? 197 00:15:25,730 --> 00:15:28,370 Town sign update? 198 00:15:28,370 --> 00:15:30,370 That's what I called them today. 199 00:15:30,370 --> 00:15:34,860 Got no response back. 200 00:15:34,860 --> 00:15:36,860 I was going to say the bracing is gone. 201 00:15:36,860 --> 00:15:38,860 Okay. 202 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:40,860 So they must have the sign ready to go. 203 00:15:40,860 --> 00:15:42,860 I thought what a day you picked today. 204 00:15:42,860 --> 00:15:45,059 It's funny because it's every single thing. 205 00:15:45,059 --> 00:15:47,059 It's like each step is a different day. 206 00:15:47,059 --> 00:15:49,059 Yes. 207 00:15:49,059 --> 00:15:51,059 It's usually a week away. 208 00:15:51,059 --> 00:15:53,059 And I call them on the phone and say look. 209 00:15:53,059 --> 00:15:55,059 Got a meeting tomorrow night. 210 00:15:55,059 --> 00:15:57,059 I need some progress before something. 211 00:15:57,059 --> 00:15:59,059 And then the next day. 212 00:15:59,059 --> 00:16:01,279 That's why you're sitting out there on Thursday morning. 213 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:03,279 Yep. 214 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:05,629 Yep. 215 00:16:05,629 --> 00:16:08,210 Okay. 216 00:16:08,210 --> 00:16:10,210 Any other old business? 217 00:16:10,210 --> 00:16:12,210 I have a question. 218 00:16:12,210 --> 00:16:14,210 Yes sir. 219 00:16:14,210 --> 00:16:16,210 So we had some emails about conflict of interest. 220 00:16:16,210 --> 00:16:18,210 And I want to either ask the question 221 00:16:18,210 --> 00:16:20,210 or resolve the problem. 222 00:16:20,210 --> 00:16:22,210 We talked about the conflict of interest on the planning board. 223 00:16:22,210 --> 00:16:24,210 The planning board assured me 224 00:16:24,210 --> 00:16:26,210 there was no conflict of interest. 225 00:16:26,210 --> 00:16:28,210 I looked it up. 226 00:16:28,210 --> 00:16:30,210 I didn't see a conflict of interest. 227 00:16:30,210 --> 00:16:33,039 There is 228 00:16:33,039 --> 00:16:35,039 questions or that 229 00:16:35,039 --> 00:16:38,799 I don't know. 230 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:42,210 Look at something. 231 00:16:42,210 --> 00:16:44,210 It could imply the threat. 232 00:16:44,210 --> 00:16:46,210 But the state does not say you can't do it. 233 00:16:46,210 --> 00:16:48,210 And you're in reference to the 234 00:16:48,210 --> 00:16:50,210 zoning officer 235 00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:52,210 and the planning board being on both. 236 00:16:52,210 --> 00:16:54,210 Who was the officer? 237 00:16:54,210 --> 00:16:56,210 The zoning board. 238 00:16:56,210 --> 00:16:58,210 So 239 00:16:58,210 --> 00:17:00,210 I did all the research before 240 00:17:00,210 --> 00:17:02,210 when I was the zoning administrator. 241 00:17:02,210 --> 00:17:04,210 And there was nothing 242 00:17:04,210 --> 00:17:06,210 in our handbook 243 00:17:06,210 --> 00:17:08,210 just like the handbooks that you guys give me 244 00:17:08,210 --> 00:17:10,210 that gives you what every 245 00:17:10,210 --> 00:17:12,210 person is supposed to do. 246 00:17:12,210 --> 00:17:14,210 There's nothing in there. 247 00:17:14,210 --> 00:17:16,210 So if you look 248 00:17:16,210 --> 00:17:18,210 under the conflict of interest laws 249 00:17:18,210 --> 00:17:20,210 and rules 250 00:17:20,210 --> 00:17:22,210 because somebody brought something else up to me 251 00:17:22,210 --> 00:17:24,210 and I looked into it 252 00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:26,210 and it was 253 00:17:26,210 --> 00:17:28,210 in reference to 254 00:17:28,210 --> 00:17:30,880 Gene. 255 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,880 I'm just throwing it out there. 256 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,880 And I said 257 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,880 it's the same exact language 258 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,880 as they use in this case 259 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,039 that you're referring to. 260 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:43,039 If anything appears to be 261 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:45,039 a conflict of interest 262 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:47,039 it could 263 00:17:47,039 --> 00:17:49,809 so 264 00:17:49,809 --> 00:17:51,809 when it comes up to land 265 00:17:51,809 --> 00:17:53,809 certification 266 00:17:53,809 --> 00:17:55,809 the deeds and stuff like that 267 00:17:55,809 --> 00:17:57,809 if somebody appealed it 268 00:17:57,809 --> 00:17:59,869 and she's sitting on the zoning board 269 00:17:59,869 --> 00:18:01,869 of appeals 270 00:18:01,869 --> 00:18:03,869 that's the conflict. 271 00:18:03,869 --> 00:18:05,869 But she would just have to 272 00:18:05,869 --> 00:18:07,869 So when a conflict 273 00:18:07,869 --> 00:18:09,869 comes up 274 00:18:09,869 --> 00:18:11,869 you just recuse yourself. 275 00:18:11,869 --> 00:18:13,869 However, she cannot 276 00:18:13,869 --> 00:18:16,289 sit on the ZVA. 277 00:18:16,289 --> 00:18:18,289 That's written in the book. 278 00:18:18,289 --> 00:18:20,289 Deb? Deb. 279 00:18:20,289 --> 00:18:22,289 She can't sit. 280 00:18:22,289 --> 00:18:24,289 So that's solved. 281 00:18:24,289 --> 00:18:26,420 She could be 282 00:18:26,420 --> 00:18:28,420 like the clerk. In fact they recommend 283 00:18:28,420 --> 00:18:30,420 her to be the clerk of the ZVA. 284 00:18:30,420 --> 00:18:32,420 But she's not a voting member 285 00:18:32,420 --> 00:18:34,420 she can't sit at the table. 286 00:18:34,420 --> 00:18:36,450 None of that. 287 00:18:36,450 --> 00:18:38,450 But that's what the law reads. 288 00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:40,450 Is Deb on the ZVA? 289 00:18:40,450 --> 00:18:42,450 She's not on the ZVA. 290 00:18:42,450 --> 00:18:44,450 And the reason why I ask 291 00:18:44,450 --> 00:18:46,450 is we got an email 292 00:18:46,450 --> 00:18:48,450 I'm not taking the email for 293 00:18:48,450 --> 00:18:50,450 gospel by any means. 294 00:18:50,450 --> 00:18:52,450 I just want to address it 295 00:18:52,450 --> 00:18:54,450 because we did get the email. 296 00:18:54,450 --> 00:18:56,450 Is there a conflict? 297 00:18:56,450 --> 00:18:58,450 Does it look like there's a conflict? 298 00:18:58,450 --> 00:19:00,450 Does it imply there's a conflict? 299 00:19:00,450 --> 00:19:02,450 I read the laws 300 00:19:02,450 --> 00:19:04,450 and the law says 301 00:19:04,450 --> 00:19:06,450 especially in a small town 302 00:19:06,450 --> 00:19:08,450 it happens many times 303 00:19:08,450 --> 00:19:10,450 where people sit on one board. 304 00:19:10,450 --> 00:19:12,450 We've had that as long as 305 00:19:12,450 --> 00:19:14,450 10 years. 306 00:19:14,450 --> 00:19:16,450 I know that you and Sally 307 00:19:16,450 --> 00:19:18,450 and Dave and Sheila 308 00:19:18,450 --> 00:19:20,450 they all sat on the same boards before. 309 00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:22,450 These are older folks 310 00:19:22,450 --> 00:19:24,450 that have been on these boards forever. 311 00:19:24,450 --> 00:19:26,450 I'm not having a problem with that. 312 00:19:26,450 --> 00:19:28,450 I just want to address it. 313 00:19:28,450 --> 00:19:30,450 It's like 314 00:19:30,450 --> 00:19:32,609 for 315 00:19:32,609 --> 00:19:34,609 she can't sit on certain boards. 316 00:19:34,609 --> 00:19:36,609 Right. 317 00:19:36,609 --> 00:19:38,609 The slot board 318 00:19:38,609 --> 00:19:40,609 we can't run for her. 319 00:19:40,609 --> 00:19:42,609 Right. 320 00:19:42,609 --> 00:19:44,609 But the language 321 00:19:44,609 --> 00:19:46,609 is very specific. 322 00:19:46,609 --> 00:19:48,609 It basically says that 323 00:19:48,609 --> 00:19:50,609 it's like you can't 324 00:19:50,609 --> 00:19:52,859 and you can't 325 00:19:52,859 --> 00:19:54,859 but 326 00:19:54,859 --> 00:19:56,859 also in Vermont 327 00:19:56,859 --> 00:19:58,859 there's some language that says 328 00:19:58,859 --> 00:20:00,859 in the law if you read it 329 00:20:00,859 --> 00:20:02,859 and I'm sure you guys probably already glanced over 330 00:20:02,859 --> 00:20:04,859 everything already numerous times 331 00:20:04,859 --> 00:20:06,859 but in the law it says if there is a 332 00:20:06,859 --> 00:20:08,859 perception then 333 00:20:08,859 --> 00:20:10,859 the select board may 334 00:20:10,859 --> 00:20:12,859 then at that point 335 00:20:12,859 --> 00:20:14,859 if there's more 336 00:20:14,859 --> 00:20:16,859 in other words if you've got a bunch of resumes 337 00:20:16,859 --> 00:20:18,859 and you don't want that perception 338 00:20:18,859 --> 00:20:20,859 then we couldn't. 339 00:20:20,859 --> 00:20:22,859 And the same thing 340 00:20:22,859 --> 00:20:24,859 I wanted to bring up with yours 341 00:20:24,859 --> 00:20:26,859 your position too. 342 00:20:26,859 --> 00:20:28,859 So we sit down with the personnel 343 00:20:28,859 --> 00:20:30,859 and we set a rate 344 00:20:30,859 --> 00:20:33,150 so you're doing 345 00:20:33,150 --> 00:20:35,150 you're doing this job now 346 00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:37,150 so if the board sets a rate 347 00:20:37,150 --> 00:20:39,150 she would recuse herself 348 00:20:39,150 --> 00:20:41,150 she don't have to but she could 349 00:20:41,150 --> 00:20:43,150 she probably will. 350 00:20:43,150 --> 00:20:45,250 The select board would set that rate 351 00:20:45,250 --> 00:20:47,250 so there's no 352 00:20:47,250 --> 00:20:49,250 because she could say I want $100 an hour 353 00:20:49,250 --> 00:20:51,250 say no 354 00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:53,250 but she could 355 00:20:53,250 --> 00:20:55,250 you know what I mean 356 00:20:55,250 --> 00:20:57,250 She would have to recuse herself on her own 357 00:20:57,250 --> 00:20:59,250 trying to give herself a raise 358 00:20:59,250 --> 00:21:01,250 That's what I'm saying 359 00:21:01,250 --> 00:21:03,250 That's what I'm saying 360 00:21:03,250 --> 00:21:05,250 so there's times 361 00:21:05,250 --> 00:21:07,250 where you do it but then that's it 362 00:21:07,250 --> 00:21:09,250 you don't have to 363 00:21:09,250 --> 00:21:11,250 where the select board cannot run for her position 364 00:21:11,250 --> 00:21:13,250 Right 365 00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:15,250 There's no specific language 366 00:21:15,250 --> 00:21:17,250 on that situation 367 00:21:17,250 --> 00:21:19,250 of Jean 368 00:21:19,250 --> 00:21:21,250 basically it says in there 369 00:21:21,250 --> 00:21:23,250 if there's an image or a perception 370 00:21:23,250 --> 00:21:25,250 that it could be 371 00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:27,250 then the select board may 372 00:21:27,250 --> 00:21:29,470 not do it 373 00:21:29,470 --> 00:21:31,470 but there's no 374 00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:33,700 I don't think 375 00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:36,269 I don't think there's anybody 376 00:21:36,269 --> 00:21:38,269 that has an issue 377 00:21:38,269 --> 00:21:40,269 I think it's just something 378 00:21:40,269 --> 00:21:42,980 Pete wanted to make sure that there is not 379 00:21:42,980 --> 00:21:44,980 but maybe there's something else going on 380 00:21:44,980 --> 00:21:46,980 I think the question 381 00:21:46,980 --> 00:21:48,980 came from people that 382 00:21:48,980 --> 00:21:50,980 do have an issue 383 00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:52,980 at least one of you 384 00:21:52,980 --> 00:21:54,980 and that's why I want to address it 385 00:21:54,980 --> 00:21:56,980 because that part of our constituents 386 00:21:56,980 --> 00:21:58,980 I want to make sure that we're doing the right thing 387 00:21:58,980 --> 00:22:00,980 because I asked the question last time 388 00:22:00,980 --> 00:22:02,980 and I want to make sure that we're doing the right thing 389 00:22:02,980 --> 00:22:04,980 When we 390 00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:06,980 appointed her 391 00:22:06,980 --> 00:22:08,980 I asked the question 392 00:22:08,980 --> 00:22:10,980 and Pete knew 393 00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:12,980 I went back and looked at the law 394 00:22:12,980 --> 00:22:15,039 and you're right there's a chart that tells you 395 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:17,039 the laws and stuff that we're working on 396 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:19,039 and the work 397 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:21,039 the Monday sessions that we're doing here at the center 398 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:23,039 which has been working out really good 399 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:25,039 Are you doing that every Monday? 400 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:27,039 Well whenever 401 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:29,039 we've only done two 402 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:31,039 they're warranted 403 00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:33,259 So the thing is 404 00:22:33,259 --> 00:22:35,259 we didn't want 405 00:22:35,259 --> 00:22:37,259 I know you guys told us 406 00:22:37,259 --> 00:22:39,259 that we could just do 407 00:22:39,259 --> 00:22:41,259 because it's a work session 408 00:22:41,259 --> 00:22:43,519 we're not voting or anything like that 409 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:45,519 but we did some research on that and you can't 410 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:47,519 if you guys all of a sudden 411 00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:49,519 decide you want to call 412 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:51,519 a work meeting 413 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:53,519 you've got to warrant that meeting 414 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:55,519 so we do that 415 00:22:55,519 --> 00:22:57,519 so we've had two of them already 416 00:22:57,519 --> 00:22:59,519 and it's been working great 417 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:02,380 but 418 00:23:02,380 --> 00:23:04,380 it works out 419 00:23:04,380 --> 00:23:07,119 works out well 420 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,119 Do you have any 421 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,119 visitors there 422 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,119 observed? 423 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,119 Jim 424 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,119 So they're on our little 425 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,119 we call them up there on the committee 426 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,119 because Jim don't shut up 427 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,119 we can't 428 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,119 we have to throw them out 429 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,119 They would be the same people that would be here 430 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,119 there's no more down there than there would be here 431 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,119 or even time wise 432 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,119 you think it's more people 433 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,119 No I mean 434 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,119 because we have 435 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,119 we might have five or six members 436 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,119 at one time there 437 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,119 last week 438 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:48,509 there was only three of us 439 00:23:48,509 --> 00:23:50,509 so he's our chair 440 00:23:50,509 --> 00:23:52,509 so if you're not ready 441 00:23:52,509 --> 00:23:55,410 and you're warranted 442 00:23:55,410 --> 00:23:57,539 and it's not a 443 00:23:57,539 --> 00:23:59,539 if it's not a quorum 444 00:23:59,539 --> 00:24:01,539 can you still do it? 445 00:24:01,539 --> 00:24:03,539 It's not a quorum 446 00:24:03,539 --> 00:24:05,539 we're not voting on it 447 00:24:05,539 --> 00:24:07,539 Can you still do it? 448 00:24:07,539 --> 00:24:09,539 It's really like a work session 449 00:24:09,539 --> 00:24:11,539 That's what I was thinking 450 00:24:11,539 --> 00:24:13,539 But we warrant it so that everybody has a chance 451 00:24:13,539 --> 00:24:15,539 So people can come and talk about it 452 00:24:15,539 --> 00:24:17,539 If they hear something they want 453 00:24:17,539 --> 00:24:19,539 changing a bylaw 454 00:24:19,539 --> 00:24:21,539 I don't really think that's a good idea 455 00:24:21,539 --> 00:24:23,539 It's 11 o'clock in the morning 456 00:24:23,539 --> 00:24:25,980 I had to have a beer 457 00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:28,849 That's a joke 458 00:24:28,849 --> 00:24:30,849 Don't put that in there 459 00:24:30,849 --> 00:24:34,099 You said it, it must be true 460 00:24:34,099 --> 00:24:36,099 It's on Facebook 461 00:24:36,099 --> 00:24:38,099 It's got to be true 462 00:24:38,099 --> 00:24:40,099 TikTok 463 00:24:40,099 --> 00:24:42,099 Any other new business? 464 00:24:42,099 --> 00:24:44,289 We're good 465 00:24:44,289 --> 00:24:46,700 You probably noticed 466 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:48,700 that the house on Mill Road 467 00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:50,700 right next to the recycling area 468 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:52,700 that's up for sale 469 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:54,829 it's been listed 470 00:24:54,829 --> 00:24:56,829 for $60,000 471 00:24:56,829 --> 00:24:58,829 I thought it was $84,000 472 00:24:58,829 --> 00:25:00,829 No, it's $60,000 473 00:25:00,829 --> 00:25:02,829 The burned out building 474 00:25:02,829 --> 00:25:04,829 You want to buy it for $20,000? 475 00:25:04,829 --> 00:25:06,829 .9 acres 476 00:25:06,829 --> 00:25:08,829 Is it something we want to investigate? 477 00:25:08,829 --> 00:25:10,829 If we write a letter to the realtor 478 00:25:10,829 --> 00:25:12,829 I don't like the side of the road 479 00:25:12,829 --> 00:25:14,829 I know, but there's a little bit 480 00:25:14,829 --> 00:25:17,470 on the other side, but how much? 481 00:25:17,470 --> 00:25:19,819 What's the shed? 482 00:25:19,819 --> 00:25:21,819 Not worth it? 483 00:25:21,819 --> 00:25:23,819 Not worth the demo, right? 484 00:25:23,819 --> 00:25:30,400 I think we got it 485 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:35,500 Yeah 486 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:38,019 Maybe the town could do something there 487 00:25:38,019 --> 00:25:40,240 There's also a little stream back there 488 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,690 Oh, yeah 489 00:25:42,690 --> 00:25:44,690 Would it be worth writing a letter 490 00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:46,690 to the realtor and say 491 00:25:46,690 --> 00:25:48,690 you know, we're interested but 492 00:25:48,690 --> 00:25:50,690 the price is too high 493 00:25:50,690 --> 00:25:52,690 Would you consider a donation? 494 00:25:52,690 --> 00:25:54,690 Right out there 495 00:25:54,690 --> 00:25:56,690 Let's see where it goes 496 00:25:56,690 --> 00:26:00,900 If someone buys in there 497 00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:03,180 The house where the well is 498 00:26:03,180 --> 00:26:05,180 on the same side as our salt shed 499 00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:07,180 They did drill a new well 500 00:26:07,180 --> 00:26:09,180 They drilled a new well 501 00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:11,180 On that side with the salt shed? 502 00:26:11,180 --> 00:26:13,180 Yeah, it's in the yard of the house now 503 00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:15,180 Oh, it's in the yard 504 00:26:15,180 --> 00:26:17,180 So there is a well there 505 00:26:17,180 --> 00:26:19,920 I'm not so sure about the structure 506 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,920 It's tight 507 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,920 That house, it's been sitting there like that 508 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,519 burnt and the structure of that house 509 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,799 I think it's got to be a problem 510 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:35,460 Right 511 00:26:35,460 --> 00:26:37,460 I don't know 512 00:26:37,460 --> 00:26:39,460 I've heard conflicts 513 00:26:39,460 --> 00:26:41,460 I mean, look at what happened to Pete over here 514 00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:43,460 Yeah, but I 515 00:26:43,460 --> 00:26:45,619 I don't know about this 516 00:26:45,619 --> 00:26:47,619 Leave one wall up 517 00:26:47,619 --> 00:26:49,619 and build around it 518 00:26:49,619 --> 00:26:51,619 I mean, I see him doing it right now 519 00:26:51,619 --> 00:26:53,619 as we speak 520 00:26:53,619 --> 00:26:55,619 People are doing that 521 00:26:55,619 --> 00:26:57,619 Leave the house there and just rebuild the house 522 00:26:57,619 --> 00:26:59,619 Do what? 523 00:26:59,619 --> 00:27:01,619 Leave the house there and rebuild the house 524 00:27:01,619 --> 00:27:03,619 Right now in this town 525 00:27:03,619 --> 00:27:05,619 I know people, they have a permit 526 00:27:05,619 --> 00:27:07,619 on the pole 527 00:27:07,619 --> 00:27:09,650 but they're doing the same thing 528 00:27:09,650 --> 00:27:11,650 They're building 529 00:27:11,650 --> 00:27:13,650 They're pretty much tearing the house completely down 530 00:27:13,650 --> 00:27:15,650 We've had people 531 00:27:15,650 --> 00:27:17,650 build a new house around the house 532 00:27:17,650 --> 00:27:19,650 and then tear down 533 00:27:19,650 --> 00:27:21,650 Sure, that fourth block 534 00:27:21,650 --> 00:27:23,650 I have no problem paying taxes 535 00:27:23,650 --> 00:27:25,650 You can't expand the footprint 536 00:27:25,650 --> 00:27:27,650 Right 537 00:27:27,650 --> 00:27:29,650 Because I've never seen 538 00:27:29,650 --> 00:27:31,650 leave it up, build on it and pay taxes 539 00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:33,650 than having nothing, zero 540 00:27:33,650 --> 00:27:35,650 We don't want to take even half the demo 541 00:27:35,650 --> 00:27:37,650 No, no, no 542 00:27:37,650 --> 00:27:39,650 It's the barn 543 00:27:39,650 --> 00:27:41,650 There's more than just a demo 544 00:27:41,650 --> 00:27:43,650 There's all kinds of state inspections that's got to be done 545 00:27:43,650 --> 00:27:45,650 What's in there 546 00:27:45,650 --> 00:27:47,650 They tried to get the barn out for free 547 00:27:47,650 --> 00:27:49,680 Nobody wanted it 548 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,680 Not even for barn board? 549 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,680 No, nobody did that 550 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,680 Somebody listed it, it was a free barn 551 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,680 You take it down and remove it 552 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,680 and nobody paid on it 553 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,680 I know, for the barn board 554 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,680 It's just nobody has the ambition like they used to 555 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,420 And now with the wire 556 00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:08,990 What is it? 557 00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:10,990 Flood zones 558 00:28:10,990 --> 00:28:12,990 Yeah, all the flood zones and stuff like that 559 00:28:12,990 --> 00:28:14,990 Not just the flood zone, but the river corridor 560 00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:16,990 We could never get a permit there 561 00:28:16,990 --> 00:28:18,990 No 562 00:28:18,990 --> 00:28:20,990 You're not going to get a sewer permit there 563 00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:22,990 That's for sure 564 00:28:22,990 --> 00:28:24,990 The sewer's not working, you're in trouble 565 00:28:24,990 --> 00:28:26,990 I don't know if you guys see that new video 566 00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:28,990 Well I guess you can get one on the water corridor 567 00:28:28,990 --> 00:28:31,019 The river corridors and stuff like that 568 00:28:31,019 --> 00:28:33,019 So, they have specific 569 00:28:33,019 --> 00:28:35,019 corridors now 570 00:28:35,019 --> 00:28:37,019 And you ain't doing nothing then 571 00:28:37,019 --> 00:28:39,019 More than likely the sewer 572 00:28:39,019 --> 00:28:41,410 will end up across the street 573 00:28:41,410 --> 00:28:44,339 What's in there now, a cesspool? 574 00:28:44,339 --> 00:28:46,460 I don't know, I mean they have to 575 00:28:46,460 --> 00:28:48,460 Somebody said there was a 576 00:28:48,460 --> 00:28:50,460 It just goes into a tank 577 00:28:50,460 --> 00:28:52,460 and they pump the tank out every couple of years 578 00:28:52,460 --> 00:28:54,589 Well you can't do a hole in the tank 579 00:28:54,589 --> 00:28:56,589 That's expensive in there 580 00:28:56,589 --> 00:28:58,589 I doubt it 581 00:28:58,589 --> 00:29:00,589 None of it meets Title 5 582 00:29:00,589 --> 00:29:02,589 They'd have to do a mound system there 583 00:29:02,589 --> 00:29:04,589 Or a tank and pump 584 00:29:04,589 --> 00:29:06,589 Well, right 585 00:29:06,589 --> 00:29:10,190 What year was that house built? 586 00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:12,190 The framing of the house 587 00:29:12,190 --> 00:29:14,190 Doug, you remember that house there for 588 00:29:14,190 --> 00:29:16,190 50 years, 100 years? 589 00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:18,190 Yeah, that barn's been there for 100 years 590 00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:20,190 I can remember 591 00:29:20,190 --> 00:29:22,190 Yeah, same here 592 00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:24,190 The barn didn't even go in that house 593 00:29:24,190 --> 00:29:26,190 Was that 594 00:29:26,190 --> 00:29:28,190 Willette's house at one time? 595 00:29:28,190 --> 00:29:30,190 I'm not sure 596 00:29:30,190 --> 00:29:32,190 Yeah, I think it was 597 00:29:32,190 --> 00:29:34,190 There was a steeple 598 00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:36,190 So that's going back 599 00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:38,190 50 years or more 600 00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:40,799 Not our problem right now 601 00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,819 Okay, any other new business? 602 00:29:43,819 --> 00:29:45,819 Nope 603 00:29:45,819 --> 00:29:47,819 Sir, do you want to say anything? 604 00:29:47,819 --> 00:29:49,819 I have a question and concern 605 00:29:49,819 --> 00:29:52,430 Joseph 606 00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:54,430 Joseph Tracy 607 00:29:54,430 --> 00:29:56,430 I live on Mill Road 608 00:29:59,619 --> 00:30:01,809 It's a hard thing because 609 00:30:01,809 --> 00:30:05,980 I've got along with my neighbour for 20 years 610 00:30:05,980 --> 00:30:07,980 Instead of her falling out 611 00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:24,059 Because I asked her to see 612 00:30:24,059 --> 00:30:34,099 She put up 613 00:30:34,099 --> 00:30:36,099 They're so sensitive and so bright 614 00:30:36,099 --> 00:30:44,049 I'm 100 yards away about across 615 00:30:44,049 --> 00:30:46,299 The light comes on 616 00:30:46,299 --> 00:30:52,180 I can see my shadow 617 00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:54,430 I feel like I'm in a prison 618 00:30:54,430 --> 00:30:57,390 And I asked her to stop it 619 00:30:57,390 --> 00:30:59,390 I mean already there was tension 620 00:30:59,390 --> 00:31:09,170 I mean we got along 621 00:31:09,170 --> 00:31:11,170 I wanted to point the light someplace else 622 00:31:11,170 --> 00:31:13,170 Do something 623 00:31:13,170 --> 00:31:18,140 So that it's not doing 624 00:31:18,140 --> 00:31:20,140 Is there a protection 625 00:31:20,140 --> 00:31:22,140 Well, yeah 626 00:31:22,140 --> 00:31:24,140 That's something we have to look into the bylaws 627 00:31:24,140 --> 00:31:26,140 See where we can 628 00:31:26,140 --> 00:31:28,369 We usually don't get in 629 00:31:28,369 --> 00:31:30,369 Neighborhood conflicts 630 00:31:30,369 --> 00:31:32,369 We've had many coming through our board 631 00:31:32,369 --> 00:31:34,369 As far as burning painted wood 632 00:31:34,369 --> 00:31:36,369 That is not good 633 00:31:36,369 --> 00:31:38,369 With the forest fire 634 00:31:38,369 --> 00:31:40,369 Would the forest fire wardens 635 00:31:40,369 --> 00:31:42,369 Check that out 636 00:31:42,369 --> 00:31:44,369 But is it in a container 637 00:31:44,369 --> 00:31:46,369 She's not in a container 638 00:31:46,369 --> 00:31:48,369 It's just you know 639 00:31:48,369 --> 00:31:50,369 That was the cause of suddenly 640 00:31:50,369 --> 00:31:52,369 No 641 00:31:52,369 --> 00:31:55,839 You know 642 00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:57,839 I said hi to her in the grocery store 643 00:31:57,839 --> 00:31:59,839 And she didn't answer 644 00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:01,839 She lives alone 645 00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:03,839 Yeah she lives alone 646 00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:06,539 Her husband died a few years ago 647 00:32:06,539 --> 00:32:08,539 This is what happens 648 00:32:08,539 --> 00:32:10,539 They tell you don't call the authorities 649 00:32:10,539 --> 00:32:12,539 You talk to them about it 650 00:32:12,539 --> 00:32:14,769 They get angry 651 00:32:14,769 --> 00:32:16,769 It's a never ending cycle 652 00:32:16,769 --> 00:32:18,769 As far as the lights 653 00:32:18,769 --> 00:32:20,769 First thing I was going to say 654 00:32:20,769 --> 00:32:23,119 Have you contacted her 655 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:25,119 And asked her if you could 656 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:27,119 And apparently you have 657 00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:29,119 And she said no 658 00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:31,119 Or hasn't done anything 659 00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:33,119 We would have to look into the bylaws 660 00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,119 I don't think we have anything 661 00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:37,119 Lighting 662 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,119 So there's not anything 663 00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:41,119 In our current bylaws 664 00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,119 In regards to that 665 00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:45,119 Because we had the one with 666 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:47,119 Bill Motts store 667 00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:49,119 Well that's 668 00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:51,119 They have to get a permit 669 00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:53,119 So there's a planning 670 00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:55,119 Like a site plan review 671 00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,119 That needs to be done prior to 672 00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,119 Any kind of permitting 673 00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:01,119 And that would be part of it 674 00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:03,119 Signs, lighting and so on 675 00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:05,119 We don't have 676 00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:07,119 Unfortunately 677 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,119 That type of 678 00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:11,119 Ordinance 679 00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:13,119 And 680 00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:15,730 That's something else 681 00:33:15,730 --> 00:33:17,730 That we need to discuss at some point 682 00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:19,730 About ordinances 683 00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:21,730 Your AO 684 00:33:21,730 --> 00:33:23,730 In some towns 685 00:33:23,730 --> 00:33:25,730 I've been doing some checking in 686 00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:27,730 Your AO has been doing 687 00:33:27,730 --> 00:33:29,730 Some of the 688 00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:32,049 Enforcement 689 00:33:32,049 --> 00:33:34,049 Of your ordinances 690 00:33:34,049 --> 00:33:36,049 They can write citations 691 00:33:36,049 --> 00:33:38,140 Like you did with me 692 00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:40,849 We're supposed to have 693 00:33:40,849 --> 00:33:42,849 So called ticket books 694 00:33:42,849 --> 00:33:44,849 But there is 695 00:33:44,849 --> 00:33:46,849 Things that Deb could go up 696 00:33:46,849 --> 00:33:48,849 And try talking with her 697 00:33:48,849 --> 00:33:50,849 And make her understand that 698 00:33:50,849 --> 00:33:52,849 Shining a light 699 00:33:52,849 --> 00:33:54,849 Into somebody's 700 00:33:54,849 --> 00:33:56,849 Is a disturbance of the peace 701 00:33:56,849 --> 00:33:58,849 And you can take them to court 702 00:33:58,849 --> 00:34:00,849 And I have been on 703 00:34:00,849 --> 00:34:02,849 The enforcement side of that 704 00:34:02,849 --> 00:34:04,849 Quite a few times 705 00:34:04,849 --> 00:34:06,849 But 706 00:34:06,849 --> 00:34:09,170 That is like a state 707 00:34:09,170 --> 00:34:11,170 Regulation 708 00:34:11,170 --> 00:34:13,170 Yeah 709 00:34:13,170 --> 00:34:15,170 Almost like a harassment 710 00:34:15,170 --> 00:34:17,170 Just like if you're 711 00:34:17,170 --> 00:34:19,170 Doing noise at 2 o'clock in the morning 712 00:34:19,170 --> 00:34:21,170 You're harassing somebody 713 00:34:21,170 --> 00:34:23,170 That's a harassment 714 00:34:23,170 --> 00:34:25,170 And can be deemed as such 715 00:34:25,170 --> 00:34:27,170 So it is a criminal offense 716 00:34:27,170 --> 00:34:29,170 It seems so simple to fix 717 00:34:29,170 --> 00:34:31,170 To just point 718 00:34:31,170 --> 00:34:33,170 Put the lights in a different spot 719 00:34:33,170 --> 00:34:35,170 So they're doing what she needs to do 720 00:34:35,170 --> 00:34:37,170 To feel protected and safe 721 00:34:37,170 --> 00:34:39,170 And not 722 00:34:39,170 --> 00:34:41,170 Going in my living room 723 00:34:41,170 --> 00:34:43,170 But the fact that maybe somebody 724 00:34:43,170 --> 00:34:45,619 Could come in 725 00:34:45,619 --> 00:34:47,619 Or maybe a couple of 726 00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:50,130 PhD's 727 00:34:50,130 --> 00:34:52,130 Could take a ride up 728 00:34:52,130 --> 00:34:54,130 And have a conversation with her 729 00:34:54,130 --> 00:34:56,320 She may be somebody that needs 730 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,420 Support or something 731 00:34:58,420 --> 00:35:00,420 Point the lights down 732 00:35:00,420 --> 00:35:02,420 Or come on down 733 00:35:02,420 --> 00:35:04,420 And visit 734 00:35:04,420 --> 00:35:06,769 Come on down off the mountain 735 00:35:06,769 --> 00:35:08,769 And 736 00:35:08,769 --> 00:35:10,989 Go over to the center 737 00:35:10,989 --> 00:35:14,300 They do a lot of stuff 738 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:16,300 I don't know I'd have to look into it 739 00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:18,300 I mean there's something 740 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:21,460 I wouldn't be able to make a decision 741 00:35:21,460 --> 00:35:23,460 Is there something I could do further 742 00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:27,469 That's what I'm wondering 743 00:35:27,469 --> 00:35:29,469 If you could call the authorities 744 00:35:29,469 --> 00:35:31,469 The state authorities maybe 745 00:35:31,469 --> 00:35:33,469 A state trooper or something 746 00:35:33,469 --> 00:35:35,469 See if there's some kind of state law 747 00:35:35,469 --> 00:35:37,730 That says you can't shine a light 748 00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:39,730 In someone's window 749 00:35:39,730 --> 00:35:41,730 I mean I guess if I was standing on the road 750 00:35:41,730 --> 00:35:43,730 Shining a light in her window 751 00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:45,730 She'd call the state troopers 752 00:35:45,730 --> 00:35:47,730 So I wonder where it's at 753 00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:49,730 You look up on the state laws 754 00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:51,730 And I will make a couple 755 00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:53,730 Of phone calls tomorrow 756 00:35:53,730 --> 00:35:55,730 And see if I can get somebody 757 00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:57,730 To at least go talk to her 758 00:35:57,730 --> 00:35:59,730 Or else I won't 759 00:35:59,730 --> 00:36:01,730 I just think that 760 00:36:01,730 --> 00:36:03,730 Maybe there's 761 00:36:03,730 --> 00:36:05,730 Maybe she's really not 762 00:36:05,730 --> 00:36:07,730 That devilish person 763 00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:09,730 Maybe she's got something 764 00:36:09,730 --> 00:36:11,730 That clicked 765 00:36:11,730 --> 00:36:13,730 Well I don't want the 766 00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:15,730 Select board to make a call 767 00:36:15,730 --> 00:36:17,730 Or have anybody go talk to her 768 00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:19,730 If you want to do it 769 00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:21,730 As a personal thing 770 00:36:21,730 --> 00:36:24,179 Well you know 771 00:36:24,179 --> 00:36:26,239 I don't know what the 772 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,239 It's 773 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,239 If we don't have it in our laws 774 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,239 We can't really enforce this 775 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,239 Or say hey this is against us 776 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,239 This has come up with 777 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,239 Problems like this 778 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,239 A few times 779 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,239 It might be something to look at 780 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,239 Not just lights 781 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,239 But there's been other issues 782 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:51,409 Okay 783 00:36:51,409 --> 00:36:53,409 You can't solve your problem tonight 784 00:36:53,409 --> 00:36:55,409 No I understand 785 00:36:55,409 --> 00:36:57,409 But I mean 786 00:36:57,409 --> 00:36:59,599 I just have a little something to go on 787 00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,730 And maybe 788 00:37:01,730 --> 00:37:04,940 We'll try something 789 00:37:04,940 --> 00:37:08,420 Okay 790 00:37:08,420 --> 00:37:12,019 Any other new business 791 00:37:12,019 --> 00:37:14,559 I do think 792 00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:16,849 There should be some limits 793 00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:20,380 On the use of lights 794 00:37:20,380 --> 00:37:22,380 We're in the middle of rewriting 795 00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:24,380 Some of the bylaws 796 00:37:24,380 --> 00:37:26,380 And this may be a subject matter 797 00:37:26,380 --> 00:37:28,380 We can bring up while we're doing that 798 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:30,380 We have sign bylaws 799 00:37:30,380 --> 00:37:32,380 And stuff like that 800 00:37:32,380 --> 00:37:34,380 That's got some language in there 801 00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:36,380 From lights 802 00:37:36,380 --> 00:37:38,380 You're not allowed to have lights 803 00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:40,510 In the traffic's eyes 804 00:37:40,510 --> 00:37:42,510 It can only be shined 805 00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:44,510 On the sign 806 00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:46,510 Things like that 807 00:37:46,510 --> 00:37:48,510 Or like a commercial business 808 00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:50,510 Has to come before the planning commission 809 00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:52,510 For site plan review 810 00:37:52,510 --> 00:37:54,510 That's where they would have 811 00:37:54,510 --> 00:37:56,639 Rules put on them 812 00:37:56,639 --> 00:37:58,639 But it doesn't 813 00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:00,639 Right now apparently 814 00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:02,639 Wasn't there one 815 00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:04,639 Which we're trying not to have 816 00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:06,639 Overbearing rules at the same time 817 00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:08,639 There was one on a building 818 00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:10,639 That every time we came into town 819 00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:12,639 It was shining in our eyes 820 00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:14,639 Right at the traffic 821 00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:16,639 Not the select 822 00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:18,639 But I think somebody 823 00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:20,639 Mentioned it to the person 824 00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:22,639 And they turned the light 825 00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:24,639 One thing you could say 826 00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:26,900 I guess is 827 00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:28,900 You're looking into the law 828 00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:30,900 You don't want excessive lighting 829 00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:32,900 And maybe that'll get her to say 830 00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:34,900 Well I want that 831 00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:36,900 Let's just move it 832 00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:38,900 It sounds like a very common 833 00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:40,900 Easy thing to take care of 834 00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:42,989 Yeah 835 00:38:42,989 --> 00:38:44,989 But then again 836 00:38:44,989 --> 00:38:46,989 I've seen worse 837 00:38:46,989 --> 00:38:48,989 Where neighbors just won't do 838 00:38:48,989 --> 00:38:52,559 Whatever 839 00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:54,559 Okay 840 00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:56,719 Anything else? 841 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,719 Motion to adjourn 842 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,769 Second 843 00:39:02,769 --> 00:39:04,769 Who's on all the time 844 00:39:04,769 --> 00:39:06,769 When you turn around? 845 00:39:06,769 --> 00:39:09,889 Help yourself with cookies 846 00:39:09,889 --> 00:39:12,300 Does it bother you? 847 00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:14,849 No 848 00:39:14,849 --> 00:39:16,849 Laurie 849 00:39:16,849 --> 00:39:18,849 I know where I'm going there anyway 850 00:39:18,849 --> 00:39:20,849 What's that? 851 00:39:20,849 --> 00:39:22,849 Who's the lighter? 852 00:39:22,849 --> 00:39:24,849 It's a motion light 853 00:39:24,849 --> 00:39:26,849 When I'm backing up 854 00:39:26,849 --> 00:39:29,010 And the light's shining 855 00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:31,010 You can't see? 856 00:39:31,010 --> 00:39:33,010 Shoot it out? 857 00:39:33,010 --> 00:39:35,010 Yeah 858 00:39:35,010 --> 00:39:37,010 You don't want it on