1 00:00:00,590 --> 00:00:27,070 Welcome to the meeting of the Stanford Select Board. 2 00:00:27,070 --> 00:00:35,109 If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address. 3 00:00:35,109 --> 00:00:42,130 You will notice that all our meetings are recorded, and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes. 4 00:00:42,130 --> 00:00:48,670 Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and 15 minutes per topic. 5 00:00:48,670 --> 00:00:53,229 Discussions will be held in a common, civilized manner and respectful of others. 6 00:00:53,229 --> 00:00:55,149 Select board members present are. 7 00:00:55,149 --> 00:00:55,909 Mike Dinault. 8 00:00:55,909 --> 00:00:56,969 Nancy Besheka. 9 00:00:56,969 --> 00:00:57,810 Doug Wright. 10 00:00:57,810 --> 00:00:58,710 John Dunn. 11 00:00:58,710 --> 00:00:59,950 Kurt Gavara. 12 00:00:59,950 --> 00:01:06,680 Will there be any adding of items or removing items from tonight's agenda? 13 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:12,510 Correspondence and . 14 00:01:12,510 --> 00:01:22,640 I've got docs and about the emergency meeting at the firehouse, just to see if anybody's going to that. 15 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,359 Okay. 16 00:01:25,359 --> 00:01:31,340 Can we change here to visitors to the end, right after new business, so they can all stay? 17 00:01:31,340 --> 00:01:33,900 Yeah. 18 00:01:33,900 --> 00:01:35,920 Vocali's going on first anyway. 19 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,730 Oh, definitely, yeah, it's important. 20 00:01:39,730 --> 00:01:42,129 Will there be any adjustments to the agenda? 21 00:01:42,129 --> 00:01:46,340 Yes, such as changing the order of the items. 22 00:01:46,340 --> 00:01:55,540 And this meeting is being recorded for Jeb's YouTube video, and the camera's up in back. 23 00:01:55,540 --> 00:02:08,060 Okay. Hearing of visitors, Callie Fishburn from Bennington County Regional Commission is here to bring us up to date on the planning commission grant. 24 00:02:08,060 --> 00:02:09,219 Okay, Callie? 25 00:02:09,219 --> 00:02:10,039 You want me to stand here? 26 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:11,080 Wherever you want. 27 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:11,379 Okay. 28 00:02:11,379 --> 00:02:12,539 Wherever you're comfortable there. 29 00:02:12,539 --> 00:02:12,860 Okay. 30 00:02:12,860 --> 00:02:13,780 Yeah, you don't . 31 00:02:13,780 --> 00:02:14,419 Maybe I'll . 32 00:02:14,419 --> 00:02:18,360 So I can see people, and hopefully the camera can see me, too, or this thing. 33 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:19,180 Yeah, that's okay. 34 00:02:19,180 --> 00:02:22,379 Put it back in. 35 00:02:22,379 --> 00:02:23,020 We're safe. 36 00:02:23,020 --> 00:02:23,520 No, we don't. 37 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:24,259 It's okay. 38 00:02:24,259 --> 00:02:26,580 Yeah. 39 00:02:26,580 --> 00:02:39,479 So, hello, my name is Callie Fishburn, like Nancy said, I work at the Bennington County Regional Commission, and I am coming here tonight to talk to you about the municipal planning grant program. 40 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:43,259 I had previously met with the planning commission last month. 41 00:02:43,259 --> 00:02:43,819 Okay. 42 00:02:43,819 --> 00:02:53,419 And we had a pretty in-depth, pretty thorough discussion about this municipal planning grant for Stanford. 43 00:02:53,419 --> 00:03:00,319 Basically, this is a state grant program that is operated by the Agency of Commerce and Community Development. 44 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:07,759 It's a regular annual grant program that towns can apply to to do a variety of planning projects, from town plan updates to land use and zoning regulation updates, other, like, special planning projects, and things like that. 45 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:08,719 Okay. 46 00:03:08,719 --> 00:03:09,719 Thank you. 47 00:03:09,719 --> 00:03:10,719 Thank you. 48 00:03:10,719 --> 00:03:11,719 Thank you. 49 00:03:11,719 --> 00:03:12,719 Thank you. 50 00:03:12,719 --> 00:03:13,719 Thank you. 51 00:03:13,719 --> 00:03:14,719 Thank you. 52 00:03:14,719 --> 00:03:15,719 Thank you. 53 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:16,719 Thank you. 54 00:03:16,719 --> 00:03:17,719 Thank you. 55 00:03:17,719 --> 00:03:18,719 Thank you. 56 00:03:18,719 --> 00:03:19,719 Thank you. 57 00:03:19,719 --> 00:03:20,719 Thank you. 58 00:03:20,719 --> 00:03:21,719 Thank you. 59 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:34,680 And the plan itself, shell planning studies that might be of interest to a town, and I have been talking to the Planning Commission about Stanford applying for a grant to update Stanford's municipal plan, which expires in June of 2027, which feels like a long stay away, but it's really not when 60 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:42,620 you think about the time that goes into updating a town plan, and generally, also, you want 61 00:03:42,620 --> 00:03:50,860 to allow for ample time to hear from residents get their input on the plan as as you're developing it 62 00:03:50,860 --> 00:03:57,020 and so i had again talked with the planning commission about helping them prepare a grant 63 00:03:57,020 --> 00:04:04,780 application to this municipal planning grant program to help uh fund an update of the town 64 00:04:04,780 --> 00:04:11,770 plan this program the max funding request i believe is thirty thousand dollars and there 65 00:04:11,770 --> 00:04:19,290 is a ten percent uh local match requirement with 30 per town uh yeah 30 per town is a maximum you 66 00:04:19,290 --> 00:04:28,439 could apply for um and then ten percent planning commission meeting last month we had talked about 67 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:34,149 uh a draft uh work planning budget that i had put together uh i have copies of that with me 68 00:04:34,149 --> 00:04:41,430 tonight and i'm happy to hand you each a copy if you would like um i think what i had uh modified 69 00:04:41,430 --> 00:04:45,589 it slightly from what i shared with the planning commission and trained a couple of the tasks 70 00:04:45,670 --> 00:04:52,629 and uh i had a total project budget of uh twenty eight thousand dollars which would if the town were 71 00:04:52,629 --> 00:04:59,459 to pursue this application and were to be awarded the local match would be twenty eight hundred 72 00:04:59,459 --> 00:05:09,990 so i'm happy to pause there i can hand i can do like copies okay and you will be working 73 00:05:11,110 --> 00:05:16,230 with the planning commission to update the specifics in the town plan yes 74 00:05:17,670 --> 00:05:23,430 uh you said this was a regular annual is this something that they 75 00:05:23,509 --> 00:05:31,620 could apply for yearly yes so um typically the grant is open in the application period in the 76 00:05:31,620 --> 00:05:39,060 fall and so it will open again in the fall of next year as well um you know given that the plan 77 00:05:39,060 --> 00:05:47,769 expires in june of 2027 um you would probably you would want to start the plan update before 78 00:05:47,769 --> 00:05:53,610 the next great application cycle so for this application applications are due in early november 79 00:05:53,610 --> 00:05:59,449 award notices will go out there's same december but you know with holidays sometimes that could 80 00:05:59,449 --> 00:06:05,209 get pushed back into the new year and then project work would probably start in earnest uh if you were 81 00:06:05,209 --> 00:06:11,290 awarded sometime in like january february last question where's the money come from um it's a 82 00:06:12,410 --> 00:06:15,850 allocation from the legislature i believe every year yeah 83 00:06:16,649 --> 00:06:23,129 every year um the legislature i believe makes an allocation to this um municipal planning and 84 00:06:23,610 --> 00:06:29,819 grants fund uh which is basically what funds this municipal planning grant program and the money 85 00:06:29,819 --> 00:06:37,819 goes to buddington regional or it goes to the towns that receive it so uh yeah this bill comes 86 00:06:37,819 --> 00:06:47,899 from where when you say when you said it you got 20 000 where did it go yeah so uh so that's a i 87 00:06:47,899 --> 00:06:55,610 skipped over that um so for a rural town which is a town of less than 2500 residents which stanford is one of those 88 00:06:56,329 --> 00:07:01,290 uh you can directly work with your regional planning commission which is us we can prepare 89 00:07:01,290 --> 00:07:07,610 the application on your behalf and then if you are awarded you can just work with us on the table plan 90 00:07:07,610 --> 00:07:13,290 update without having to put out an rfp and go through a competitive process you could still go 91 00:07:13,290 --> 00:07:18,970 that route if you wanted to but for example a larger town that is more than 2500 people 92 00:07:19,689 --> 00:07:24,730 can't have their regional planning commission do the application on their behalf and if they are 93 00:07:24,730 --> 00:07:26,170 awarded a grant they have to go out and apply to the commission for those applications for example 94 00:07:26,170 --> 00:07:35,129 out to to bid for a consultant um to work on whatever project that historically when we go 95 00:07:35,129 --> 00:07:41,529 out to bed we don't get good response yeah so it's good that we already know we can have someone 96 00:07:41,529 --> 00:07:51,430 yeah so this this quote came from you you and the bennington yeah yeah that if we went and got it 97 00:07:51,430 --> 00:07:56,629 it could be higher you know it could be lower could be higher yeah but we don't i don't know 98 00:07:56,629 --> 00:08:05,189 why maybe because we have a tough time yeah so if you as a rural town with this specific 99 00:08:05,189 --> 00:08:11,449 application you don't need to again i've started working on the application and i'll also just say 100 00:08:11,449 --> 00:08:18,149 like my work on the application on the town's behalf does it is like i'm not charging for that 101 00:08:18,149 --> 00:08:27,540 that's as part of our regular plans you know stanford pays uh leave due to the regional 102 00:08:27,540 --> 00:08:27,680 plan and we're not charging for that we're not charging for that we're not charging for that 103 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,799 planning commission and so like things like helping with grant assistance and other like 104 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:39,080 small projects are included in that so whether or not you get the if you get the grant or not 105 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:47,179 like my work on preparing this application there's no additional expense to the town beyond 106 00:08:47,179 --> 00:09:12,960 like the art the um at the point you discussed this i've been shocked out we've gotten to the 107 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,519 final pretty much the final yeah this is what it is 108 00:09:17,259 --> 00:09:24,600 yeah she's been working with me so and then through the planning commission we went through 109 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:31,120 with callie the the things to cut out at our meeting and keep in mind this happened eight 110 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,950 years ago as well with jim sullivan sat in the meeting for almost two years so 111 00:09:35,950 --> 00:09:46,750 because i know jim sat for two years with the bylaws also so i was i was reading in the 112 00:09:46,750 --> 00:09:52,990 legislature where where this money comes from and that is still listed in there for bylaws grants 113 00:09:52,990 --> 00:09:58,590 you can certainly use this planning grant for bylaws um i had talked to the planning commission 114 00:09:58,590 --> 00:10:05,610 that just bylaws don't expire they don't have an expiration date plans do uh and generally if 115 00:10:05,610 --> 00:10:11,129 you're if you're planning for if you want to do some comprehensive updates to your bylaws it's 116 00:10:11,129 --> 00:10:16,590 good to have uh clear up-to-date policies in your town plan because your bylaws should 117 00:10:16,590 --> 00:10:23,080 step from and enforce the policies that towards in your town plan so you want to make sure 118 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:28,980 that the policy language and you know all of the surrounding narrative and data is up 119 00:10:28,980 --> 00:10:35,289 to date in your town plan to then set you up with a strong foundation from my loss so 120 00:10:35,289 --> 00:10:43,000 um i was wondering when when would this start data collection when will we know if we're 121 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,700 getting this grant and when do you start the data collection in any country so what time 122 00:10:44,700 --> 00:10:46,980 Приinn Lipratie, oberhildi and siam, March적 at Shire ass Nejoi West Los Angeles 123 00:10:46,980 --> 00:10:47,980 Stony performed from 1 and 12 he brains about a set cattle farm right from 복 thats why 124 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:48,379 she wrote copies of her story the stonem Mount Rainston was nothing special and she's not 125 00:10:48,379 --> 00:10:55,379 Yeah, there's no dates because, again, first of all, it's not a guarantee that you'll get the grant. 126 00:10:55,379 --> 00:10:56,379 Right. 127 00:10:56,379 --> 00:10:59,379 Grant applications are due Monday, November 3rd. 128 00:10:59,379 --> 00:11:00,379 Okay. 129 00:11:00,379 --> 00:11:04,440 I'm just trying to not procrastinate on things. 130 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:09,440 And also there are processes and multiple approvals that are needed, so we start the process early. 131 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,440 And then, again, award decisions are expected in December. 132 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,440 They didn't really give a specific timeline. 133 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:29,440 And, again, just because, like, people travel for holidays and stuff like that, it could end up, again, not being awards not being announced until, you know, early in the new year. 134 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:35,440 And then, of course, if you are awarded a grant, there's, like, the administrative, you have to, you know, sign and execute the grant agreement. 135 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:45,240 You know, so actual work probably wouldn't start until, I'm going to say, like, 136 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:46,240 February. 137 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:47,850 Yes. 138 00:11:47,850 --> 00:11:54,379 And how long do you think this will take if we start in February? 139 00:11:54,379 --> 00:11:59,759 So the full planning grant period is a two-week period. 140 00:11:59,759 --> 00:12:17,509 I would expect that this would take less than that and that we would have the idea would be to have a plan adopted before it expires in June. 141 00:12:17,509 --> 00:12:24,960 It's a long process, again, because you want to take the time to also do input. 142 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,960 Like, that's noted on the work plan there. 143 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:32,759 Just like Jim's saying, it took two years the last time. 144 00:12:32,759 --> 00:12:38,190 We're talking start of February. 145 00:12:38,190 --> 00:12:44,269 Are we going to revamp this thing 100%? 146 00:12:44,269 --> 00:12:46,269 We've got a killer planning commission. 147 00:12:46,269 --> 00:12:47,269 All right. 148 00:12:47,269 --> 00:12:49,269 So I understand that. 149 00:12:49,269 --> 00:12:51,490 Reappointments are up. 150 00:12:51,490 --> 00:12:53,490 Maybe not. 151 00:12:53,490 --> 00:12:54,490 A lot of it. 152 00:12:54,490 --> 00:12:58,500 Yeah. 153 00:12:58,500 --> 00:13:01,500 It seems like we already got something in place and we just could not. 154 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:02,500 Yeah. 155 00:13:02,500 --> 00:13:04,500 I mean, if you were really backed up against the wall, you could just. 156 00:13:04,500 --> 00:13:07,389 The reason why I'm asking. 157 00:13:07,389 --> 00:13:18,309 If we expired or lapses, we didn't get it done. 158 00:13:18,309 --> 00:13:19,950 Yeah. 159 00:13:19,950 --> 00:13:20,950 Penalty. 160 00:13:20,950 --> 00:13:27,110 You just couldn't make any changes to your zoning regulations if you wanted to during that lapse period of your plan. 161 00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:29,110 Your zoning isn't, like, canceled out. 162 00:13:29,110 --> 00:13:33,110 You just couldn't go and make any updates until you had a current plan in place. 163 00:13:33,110 --> 00:13:39,110 And then, like, certain grants, like this municipal planning grant, you wouldn't, you know, be eligible for. 164 00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:43,110 But there's no, like, there's no financial penalty for your plan lapsing. 165 00:13:43,110 --> 00:13:46,110 Or, like, legal penalties. 166 00:13:46,110 --> 00:13:47,110 Just. 167 00:13:47,110 --> 00:13:48,110 We overlapped last time. 168 00:13:48,110 --> 00:13:49,110 Did we? 169 00:13:49,110 --> 00:13:50,110 Okay. 170 00:13:50,110 --> 00:13:51,110 Yeah. 171 00:13:51,110 --> 00:13:55,110 I just don't know the process of it was if we had to wait a full year. 172 00:13:55,110 --> 00:13:57,110 Say we don't do it by that date. 173 00:13:57,110 --> 00:14:00,360 Do we wait a full year to go back to that date? 174 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:01,360 Okay. 175 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:02,360 To make changes? 176 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:03,360 No. 177 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:04,360 Last time we had different. 178 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,360 I mean, we added to it last time because we had to add, like, an energy chapter. 179 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,360 And it was a longer process because we had to, you know, write a whole new chapter. 180 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,360 Yeah. 181 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,360 And the energy chapter is girthy. 182 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:15,360 It requires a lot. 183 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:16,360 And we didn't have one. 184 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,360 That's the reason why they didn't come back and say, hey. 185 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:18,360 Yeah. 186 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:19,360 Now you have one. 187 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:20,360 And so, I guess it would, you know, it would also depend on, like, are there some structural, 188 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:21,360 like, formatting changes that, you know, the planning commission wants to be made just in 189 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,360 terms of, you know, is there a way to make the document more readable? 190 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:23,360 Or is there even concern or feeling that it needs to be more, like, easier to read? 191 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:24,360 You know, that sort of thing. 192 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:25,360 Yeah. 193 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,360 Yeah. 194 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:27,360 Yeah. 195 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:28,360 Yeah. 196 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:29,360 Yeah. 197 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:30,360 Yeah. 198 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:31,360 Yeah. 199 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:32,360 Yeah. 200 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:33,360 Yeah. 201 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,360 Yeah. 202 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,360 Yeah. 203 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:36,360 Yeah. 204 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:37,360 Yeah. 205 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:38,360 Yeah. 206 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,360 Yeah. 207 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:40,360 Yeah. 208 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:41,360 Yeah. 209 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:42,360 Yeah. 210 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:47,360 But I think, like, you know, a year and half or a little less than a year and a half is 211 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:58,539 a reasonable timeframe especially, you know, for, you know, a smaller community. 212 00:14:58,539 --> 00:15:03,100 So... 213 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:04,100 When you do make these changes, currently we have a town plan. 214 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:05,100 Right. 215 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:06,100 And you're going to update it, change several spots. 216 00:15:06,100 --> 00:15:07,100 Mm-hmm. 217 00:15:07,100 --> 00:15:12,700 Is there a way that you could do that and strike out what's going and add in a color 218 00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:13,080 or all of that kind of stuff? 219 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,960 highlight or underline what's coming in, because I know with the zoning bylaws, it was very 220 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,519 hard to follow what was stricken and what was put in. 221 00:15:21,740 --> 00:15:21,899 Yeah. 222 00:15:22,100 --> 00:15:28,919 That's usually what I do, like, is when I'm changing something, um, is, yeah, striking 223 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:35,320 it out and adding it, you know, usually in red text, what the new content is, um, that, 224 00:15:35,460 --> 00:15:41,240 that's typically how I work, um, and that's usually what we do, unless we are, like, completely 225 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,120 building a new plan from scratch for a town, which we just did with, like, the town of 226 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,820 Bennington, we, like, basically from the ground up built them a new plan, but I don't necessarily 227 00:15:49,820 --> 00:15:54,919 think that's what we'd be doing here, unless there's, like, real ambitious appetite from 228 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:55,720 the planning commission. 229 00:15:56,159 --> 00:16:00,759 Again, this is, this effort would be led by the planning commission if the grant were 230 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:07,600 awarded and if you, you know, decided to work with us, like, BCRC, probably myself and a 231 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,399 few other coworkers would be the ones actually doing the work, but we would be accountable 232 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:17,870 to the planning commission, um, in checking in with them and, you know, to make sure that 233 00:16:17,870 --> 00:16:21,610 we're, we would, we're essentially just hiring. 234 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:38,899 Um, the formal steps of the planning commission, uh, resolution form that goes along with this 235 00:16:38,899 --> 00:16:43,899 grant and the planning commission chair first has to sign it, which Peter, uh, did sign, 236 00:16:43,899 --> 00:16:51,519 and then, um, the select board, uh, also has to, uh, if, if the select board is in agreement 237 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:55,419 to move forward with applying for the, for the grant, um, there is a resolution. 238 00:16:55,539 --> 00:16:59,539 There is a resolution that needs to be, um, adopted and signed by a majority of select 239 00:16:59,539 --> 00:17:00,539 board members. 240 00:17:00,539 --> 00:17:03,539 Does that have to be warned at, in our agenda or can we do it tonight? 241 00:17:03,539 --> 00:17:06,799 Because it was not warned on our agenda. 242 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:09,799 I, I believe you can do it tonight, yeah. 243 00:17:09,799 --> 00:17:10,799 Okay. 244 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:12,799 Um, if not, send it back. 245 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:16,400 Yeah, I, I think we can. 246 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,750 I didn't. 247 00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:28,400 Do you have any ambitious appetite? 248 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:29,490 You? 249 00:17:29,490 --> 00:17:30,490 No. 250 00:17:30,490 --> 00:17:31,490 We have. 251 00:17:31,490 --> 00:17:32,490 We, um. 252 00:17:32,490 --> 00:17:33,490 According to this. 253 00:17:33,490 --> 00:17:34,490 According to this. 254 00:17:34,490 --> 00:17:35,490 According to that. 255 00:17:35,490 --> 00:17:36,490 We had to vote on it. 256 00:17:36,490 --> 00:17:37,490 We passed it. 257 00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:38,490 Yes. 258 00:17:38,490 --> 00:17:39,490 Pete signed it. 259 00:17:39,490 --> 00:17:41,680 You guys have to vote on it. 260 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:42,869 And we'll go from there. 261 00:17:42,869 --> 00:17:43,869 But as far as ambitious? 262 00:17:43,869 --> 00:17:44,869 No, we're going to. 263 00:17:44,869 --> 00:17:45,869 I mean, is your. 264 00:17:45,869 --> 00:17:50,869 We want to update photographs, you know, because a lot of that stuff has been in there for 265 00:17:50,869 --> 00:17:51,869 50 years or more. 266 00:17:51,869 --> 00:17:52,869 So, we want to get a picture of our new signs and stuff and. 267 00:17:52,869 --> 00:17:53,869 The infrastructure will. 268 00:17:53,869 --> 00:17:54,869 Don't get me going. 269 00:17:54,869 --> 00:17:55,869 I haven't seen them out there. 270 00:17:55,869 --> 00:17:57,410 Oh, that's right. 271 00:17:57,410 --> 00:17:58,410 Oh, I forgot. 272 00:17:58,410 --> 00:17:59,410 The infrastructure will always curtail some of the ambition. 273 00:17:59,410 --> 00:18:00,410 I mean, we only have so much we've been working on. 274 00:18:00,410 --> 00:18:01,410 Well, no. 275 00:18:01,410 --> 00:18:02,410 And that's not. 276 00:18:02,410 --> 00:18:03,410 You know, I'm not saying that I would not vote for it by any means. 277 00:18:03,410 --> 00:18:04,410 I'm just saying is there a lot of problems with the plan or is it certain items like 278 00:18:04,410 --> 00:18:05,480 you said? 279 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:06,569 And we want. 280 00:18:06,569 --> 00:18:07,569 Sorry. 281 00:18:07,569 --> 00:18:08,569 I think the. 282 00:18:08,569 --> 00:18:09,569 The thing that I keep hearing is it's almost as if that VCRC is going to write the plan 283 00:18:09,569 --> 00:18:10,569 without our input and without the town's input. 284 00:18:10,569 --> 00:18:11,569 And I think the important thing is they literally are just helping the town. 285 00:18:11,569 --> 00:18:12,569 I mean, we're going to. 286 00:18:12,569 --> 00:18:13,569 We're going to. 287 00:18:13,569 --> 00:18:14,569 We're going to. 288 00:18:14,569 --> 00:18:15,569 We're going to. 289 00:18:15,569 --> 00:18:16,569 We're going to. 290 00:18:16,569 --> 00:18:17,569 We're going to. 291 00:18:17,569 --> 00:18:18,569 We're going to. 292 00:18:18,569 --> 00:18:19,569 We're going to. 293 00:18:19,569 --> 00:18:20,569 We're going to. 294 00:18:20,569 --> 00:18:21,569 We're going to. 295 00:18:21,569 --> 00:18:22,569 We're going to. 296 00:18:22,569 --> 00:18:23,569 We're going to. 297 00:18:23,569 --> 00:18:24,569 We're going to. 298 00:18:30,569 --> 00:18:39,490 So I think what I'm saying is that if the town is going to, if the town is going to 299 00:18:39,490 --> 00:18:46,630 create a plan and there's no way it can go forward unless the town says that's a great 300 00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:47,630 plan. 301 00:18:47,630 --> 00:18:52,630 So I think keeping that in mind and if the town doesn't have an ambitious appetite, then 302 00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:53,970 that's what I'm understanding. 303 00:18:53,970 --> 00:18:54,970 I hear it. 304 00:18:54,970 --> 00:18:56,970 I think that's a great point, because a lot of the tasks on that work plan. 305 00:18:56,970 --> 00:18:57,970 You'll see are like about hearing from people like putting out a survey, having public meetings, 306 00:18:57,970 --> 00:18:58,970 maybe even like we've had some really good success in some other small communities of 307 00:18:58,970 --> 00:18:59,970 having like a walking tour. 308 00:18:59,970 --> 00:19:00,170 Getting people involved. 309 00:19:00,569 --> 00:19:04,329 together and walking around is just like having people identify the like important 310 00:19:04,329 --> 00:19:09,349 areas that are important to the identity of the town and you know doing doing 311 00:19:09,349 --> 00:19:15,130 things like that and so yeah I think it does depend to some degree on like the 312 00:19:15,130 --> 00:19:19,609 types of comments we're hearing from folks who live here in Stanford about 313 00:19:19,609 --> 00:19:24,809 like if they tried to use the plan before and found it to be difficult to 314 00:19:24,809 --> 00:19:31,410 go through you know so I think what Stephanie said is like right on for I'm 315 00:19:31,410 --> 00:19:37,349 understanding it too like we do have a you know time limit but it will also 316 00:19:37,349 --> 00:19:42,779 depend on like how much feedback we receive from people about what you know 317 00:19:42,779 --> 00:19:48,859 how the plans should look and what should be in it, keeping in mind you know 318 00:19:48,859 --> 00:19:57,519 there's some state requirements, latitude. 319 00:19:57,519 --> 00:20:06,630 Also we were discussing in our meeting on Monday that it's important that the town plans situation 320 00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:14,460 because we want to work on the bylaws, and we want to really work from the town plan to create the changes in the bylaws. 321 00:20:14,819 --> 00:20:26,049 It's important to get the legal stuff out. 322 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:43,529 That's what the state made us do. 323 00:20:43,529 --> 00:20:44,769 It's about the employee handbook. 324 00:20:44,970 --> 00:20:51,180 You just, other boards filled in this sentence here, but they didn't read the front page. 325 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,779 A lot of the conflict is just things over time that you didn't anticipate that would change, right? 326 00:20:56,779 --> 00:21:00,700 Not everyone has four 40-foot trailers parked in their yard. 327 00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:08,640 So it's good that they're taking the whole plan and looking at the whole thing all at once because it hasn't been done in a while. 328 00:21:12,309 --> 00:21:20,390 So assuming that the select board would want to pass this resolution, I just wanted to note, like, when you actually see it, 329 00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:28,630 the first part of the resolution asks for the town to identify a municipal authorizing official, 330 00:21:28,829 --> 00:21:33,750 which is basically the person who, if Stanford has awarded a grant there, 331 00:21:33,809 --> 00:21:38,789 the ones who can execute the grant agreement on behalf of the town and I 332 00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:44,569 think can also like make the official request for fun for the grant funds from 333 00:21:44,569 --> 00:21:48,390 from the state so that has to be somebody with an official role with town 334 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:52,529 so it has to be either well in your case it has to be a select board member 335 00:21:52,529 --> 00:21:58,230 because the other option is town manager which we don't have so it asks the 336 00:21:58,230 --> 00:22:02,549 resolution asks for the against municipal authorizing official to be 337 00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:06,309 identified an alternate so someone else in the select board in case something 338 00:22:06,309 --> 00:22:12,329 you know happens with the primary person and then to designate a grant 339 00:22:12,329 --> 00:22:17,549 administrator which in this case would be me it's the person who's actually 340 00:22:17,549 --> 00:22:33,799 working on and then there's no problem that it's not on the agenda to sign the 341 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:37,599 resolution I know there's certain steps 342 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:41,599 money 343 00:22:42,339 --> 00:22:45,099 in let's be done with it let's get it done 344 00:22:45,099 --> 00:23:09,099 that begins where do I sign and so first you're going to use first it's like 345 00:23:09,099 --> 00:23:14,380 your your name and title here and then the alternates name and title that I can 346 00:23:14,380 --> 00:23:31,950 fill myself and on the back it needs to be motion make Kurt second I gave you 347 00:23:31,950 --> 00:23:40,109 time you didn't say yeah yeah you can fill out because in the back you'll all 348 00:23:40,109 --> 00:23:44,109 sign 349 00:23:45,490 --> 00:23:58,980 this is you yep I'm quick with motion 350 00:23:58,980 --> 00:24:06,900 that's experience right there so if we are the money we apply again next year 351 00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:13,609 mm-hmm that's if we're given the money yeah I've found we can apply it every year 352 00:24:13,609 --> 00:24:19,309 even if we get this year yeah you can apply for either like another phase 353 00:24:19,309 --> 00:24:25,730 why not try it every year right yeah what happens to the money if you don't use it all 354 00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:32,039 in the ground I think it's a plan you got to give it back you gotta give it back yeah 355 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:33,619 you're not print 356 00:24:33,619 --> 00:24:37,160 around please reprint and read this yeah at least they're all like estimated hours 357 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:37,680 I think that you're 358 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:50,420 there I don't know yeah and then you'll the other thing I don't know too much about this 359 00:24:50,420 --> 00:24:54,720 form I think it's basically just something it's a legal thing that says you're in good standing 360 00:24:54,720 --> 00:25:01,559 with agency of natural resources that you're not in any kind of lawsuit or judicial thing with A&R 361 00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:02,519 I can leave this 362 00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:03,319 laughing 363 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:03,960 that's all right 364 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:04,559 bye bye 365 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,720 No, they don't mean individuals. 366 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,720 You know, as far as we know. 367 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:10,720 Yeah. 368 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,720 I mean, nothing with A&R. 369 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:13,720 Yeah. 370 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,720 I mean, if you're, you know. 371 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,720 Yeah, this doesn't require a motion to do. 372 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,720 It's just like if you know, you know. 373 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:26,720 And I think if you're this top one, I certify that we are currently in good standing. 374 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,359 I imagine if you were, you would probably know. 375 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:37,460 I would imagine it would be like a, an issue that would be known if you were, if you were not. 376 00:25:37,460 --> 00:26:00,329 Copies of these when I, like, yeah, tomorrow I'll scan them and I'll get them to you soon. 377 00:26:00,329 --> 00:26:01,329 Thanks. 378 00:26:01,329 --> 00:26:18,920 Sorry, I think I took more than 15 minutes. 379 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,920 You're fine. 380 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,920 That's never happened before. 381 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,920 Thank you, Kelly, for coming down and explaining this to us. 382 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,920 Thanks, Kelly. 383 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,920 Thank you. 384 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:30,920 Yeah. 385 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,920 Thank you. 386 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,640 Thank you. 387 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,640 All right. 388 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,640 Moving on. 389 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,640 Any other hearing or visitors? 390 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,640 I want to just ask one question. 391 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,119 I'm sorry. 392 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,119 You do that first. 393 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,119 I'm sorry. 394 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,119 Yes. 395 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,119 We got you in here. 396 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,220 My name's Jeffney Huck. 397 00:26:45,220 --> 00:26:46,220 Yep. 398 00:26:46,220 --> 00:26:47,220 I'm referring to a problem I have on my house on 61 Volta Road. 399 00:26:47,220 --> 00:26:49,789 The water runoff from the Sher Road is going in my basement and has done considerable damage 400 00:26:49,789 --> 00:26:50,789 to my foundation. 401 00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:51,789 And I'm just asking if you could tell me what the problem is. 402 00:26:51,789 --> 00:26:52,789 I'm sorry. 403 00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:53,789 I'm sorry. 404 00:26:53,789 --> 00:26:54,789 I'm sorry. 405 00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:55,789 I'm sorry. 406 00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:56,789 I'm sorry. 407 00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:59,259 I'm sorry. 408 00:26:59,259 --> 00:27:00,259 I'm sorry. 409 00:27:00,259 --> 00:27:01,259 I'm sorry. 410 00:27:01,259 --> 00:27:02,259 I'm sorry. 411 00:27:02,259 --> 00:27:03,259 I'm sorry. 412 00:27:03,259 --> 00:27:04,259 I'm sorry. 413 00:27:04,259 --> 00:27:05,259 I'm sorry. 414 00:27:05,259 --> 00:27:06,259 I'm sorry. 415 00:27:06,259 --> 00:27:09,529 I'm sorry. 416 00:27:09,529 --> 00:27:10,529 I'm sorry. 417 00:27:10,529 --> 00:27:11,529 I'm sorry. 418 00:27:11,529 --> 00:27:12,529 I'm sorry. 419 00:27:12,529 --> 00:27:13,529 I'm sorry. 420 00:27:13,529 --> 00:27:14,529 I'm sorry. 421 00:27:14,529 --> 00:27:18,960 I can't hear you. 422 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:39,180 There could be sinaو 423 00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:40,579 Right here, is our son,ню 424 00:27:40,579 --> 00:27:41,579 of the water poles minds. 425 00:27:41,579 --> 00:27:42,079 Listen up. 426 00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:48,480 Day before the last storm, I believe, and that, I had a lot of water in the basement from that. 427 00:27:48,740 --> 00:27:56,940 Can you check it out and see what's going on there? 428 00:27:57,019 --> 00:27:57,859 Is there colors there? 429 00:27:58,380 --> 00:28:01,299 Like Mr. Enoch said, it's not something new. 430 00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:03,809 You know, I've looked at it. 431 00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:06,039 It's a concern. 432 00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:26,619 The house itself probably sits in the right of way, if not, or it sheets off the roads. 433 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:27,740 This is the bottom? 434 00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:35,430 Yeah, there's nothing ditched into his property, you know, 435 00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:38,170 short of him putting in some kind of foundation drain. 436 00:28:38,349 --> 00:28:40,210 I believe he's going to have water regardless. 437 00:28:40,670 --> 00:28:44,180 There's a well within 20 feet of his foundation, 438 00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:48,660 which would just be dry all the time if there wasn't groundwater. 439 00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:54,319 There is a natural spring in the middle of Leisure Road right on the corner. 440 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,140 You can see it, you know, at times pop up there, and then there's a ledge all through there. 441 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,470 I mean, he could put in a foundation drain of some sort. 442 00:29:04,269 --> 00:29:07,029 We could put a ditch along the side of the road there, 443 00:29:07,109 --> 00:29:07,589 but that would reduce it. 444 00:29:07,609 --> 00:29:10,230 We could require him to put a driveway culvert in after, 445 00:29:10,849 --> 00:29:16,069 and that probably still isn't going to solve the groundwater issue that is, you know, 446 00:29:16,069 --> 00:29:20,660 probably, I don't know what the condition of the foundation was, 447 00:29:20,660 --> 00:29:27,140 but it's a pretty old house that's probably been deteriorating, you know, for decades, I'd say. 448 00:29:27,339 --> 00:29:32,099 Is there, coming off Leisure Road and heading towards Clarksburg, 449 00:29:32,099 --> 00:29:38,119 is there a culvert or drainage ditch on the right-hand side? 450 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:39,859 On the house side? 451 00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:41,420 No, the other side. 452 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,960 The other side of the road, there is a ditch, yeah. 453 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,440 So where's the water coming, just? 454 00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:48,380 I mean, it sheets off, you've got two roads there. 455 00:29:48,539 --> 00:29:50,240 I mean, there's two roads, it's an intersection. 456 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:50,819 The road's going down. 457 00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:53,559 You know, it's really close to the road. 458 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,420 The water just naturally sheeting action. 459 00:29:56,420 --> 00:30:00,299 If you get a large rainstorm, just that large surface area, 460 00:30:00,380 --> 00:30:05,839 if it was all grass instead of the road, it would still have water. 461 00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:10,049 I mean, it's at the bottom of the hill, it just naturally kind of sheets off. 462 00:30:10,049 --> 00:30:10,150 Right. 463 00:30:10,170 --> 00:30:11,710 So you're saying how are your driveways? 464 00:30:12,170 --> 00:30:14,490 I honestly disagree with what he's saying. 465 00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:17,410 So I'd like for somebody to go up and actually look at it. 466 00:30:17,410 --> 00:30:23,930 When the two, at the Y, when you have Leisure Road and then you've got Boulder Road, 467 00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:29,670 the water could be diverted coming down Leisure Road to stay up on the bank 468 00:30:29,670 --> 00:30:32,410 and come down into the ditch at the bottom. 469 00:30:32,410 --> 00:30:36,730 But the ditch at the bottom is, like, leveled off and the water runs across it. 470 00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:40,460 What's your address, Chuck? 471 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,279 What's your address where your house is? 472 00:30:44,619 --> 00:30:45,480 That house? 473 00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:47,140 Don't want to do the issue. 474 00:30:47,660 --> 00:30:48,859 61 Boulder Road. 475 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:50,519 It's the first house, right? 476 00:30:50,539 --> 00:30:51,480 First house on the left. 477 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,279 Oh, not your home. 478 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,819 Not where you live. 479 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,099 It's the corner one. 480 00:30:57,220 --> 00:30:57,700 Oh, okay. 481 00:30:57,980 --> 00:30:58,559 Oh, all right. 482 00:30:58,579 --> 00:31:01,279 That's probably the first house ever built right there, isn't it? 483 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:02,859 Yeah, it's pretty old. 484 00:31:03,579 --> 00:31:07,059 Well, at one point they had so much water coming across the street, 485 00:31:07,059 --> 00:31:10,640 I had to dig approximately a 600-foot ditch. 486 00:31:11,220 --> 00:31:15,359 To drain it down to the river so the land was dry enough to use it for anything. 487 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:15,859 Mm-hmm. 488 00:31:15,859 --> 00:31:21,680 It's not an issue of discussion right now, but I've done what I can on stuff. 489 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,619 But this, I can't do anything. 490 00:31:23,619 --> 00:31:28,240 I can't dig anything on the side of the road because liability. 491 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,500 Not my property. 492 00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:34,190 We could issue him a permit if he wanted to put something in there. 493 00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:38,970 So I'm trying to get to Dave mentioned a ditch, but you would have to have— 494 00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:41,049 that's why I was going to ask where the driveway is now. 495 00:31:41,049 --> 00:31:42,269 If you cut a ditch in there, but—. 496 00:31:42,269 --> 00:31:44,990 If you cut a ditch in there, it would go through the driveway, I assume. 497 00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:46,329 Yeah, it has to have a driveway. 498 00:31:46,329 --> 00:31:50,559 And then you would have to purchase a culvert. 499 00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:54,400 Is there a compromise to give that a shot, I'm asking? 500 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,519 That's kind of a big problem. 501 00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,259 If you could down 15 inches, is it, for a culvert? 502 00:31:58,259 --> 00:32:00,339 It's got to be a 15-inch, yeah. 503 00:32:00,339 --> 00:32:03,920 You'd have to dig everything at 15 inches of culvert, I don't know what you think. 504 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,700 The grade is even with the road. 505 00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:08,380 You'd have to dig it down to 3 feet. 506 00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:10,920 It'd have to be a 3-foot ditch. 507 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,880 Um— 508 00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:16,740 Is there any kind of check dams you could put in to slow the water from going there? 509 00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:20,259 It's not really—I mean, I think when you look at it, we're more than happy to go there. 510 00:32:20,259 --> 00:32:23,319 If we can come up with some simple solution, I'm happy to do it. 511 00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:23,819 Exactly. 512 00:32:23,819 --> 00:32:24,319 Any chance— 513 00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,619 In reality, it's—I mean, we also have to follow Colvin's standard. 514 00:32:27,619 --> 00:32:28,200 I can't— 515 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:28,700 Yeah. 516 00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:31,400 I don't know if you see it, but it's really— 517 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,000 Any chance Jim Sullivan could come—Henderson could come down and— 518 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,039 Like I said, you can have whatever you want and come look at it. 519 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:40,859 It's in compliance. 520 00:32:40,859 --> 00:32:42,559 I mean, it's— 521 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,660 Other than we could put a ditch in, then you've got to put a driveway cover in it. 522 00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:47,160 So— 523 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:47,660 Yeah. 524 00:32:47,660 --> 00:32:49,079 I mean, I'd be happy to dig a ditch through there. 525 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:50,859 And where's the water go from the ditch? 526 00:32:50,859 --> 00:32:54,259 Then it's going to go through the ditch and then the other drainage ditch below his house 527 00:32:54,259 --> 00:32:55,359 where the rest of the water runs. 528 00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:56,500 Down on Jefferson? 529 00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:58,000 Down through his property. 530 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:58,500 Yeah. 531 00:32:58,500 --> 00:32:59,289 Okay. 532 00:32:59,289 --> 00:33:03,890 I mean, years ago, that—all that property that I think that was filled in, right, Chuck, 533 00:33:03,890 --> 00:33:08,009 that probably didn't have issues when that whole yard was just lower. 534 00:33:08,009 --> 00:33:08,890 What's that now? 535 00:33:08,890 --> 00:33:12,609 The property was filled in years ago, right? 536 00:33:12,609 --> 00:33:13,109 Yeah. 537 00:33:13,109 --> 00:33:14,349 It probably drained right off of it. 538 00:33:14,349 --> 00:33:14,849 Yeah. 539 00:33:14,849 --> 00:33:19,869 So it probably ran, you know, the groundwater ran away from the place and now it just sits 540 00:33:19,869 --> 00:33:22,519 in the ground, so. 541 00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:26,500 If anybody wants to go up with Dave, look at it, see what you think. 542 00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:30,539 I'd like to be there if somebody goes up when they go. 543 00:33:30,539 --> 00:33:31,700 Well, I mean, I'm good at walking. 544 00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:33,819 I'm pretty flexible. 545 00:33:33,819 --> 00:33:36,559 Do you want to set a time? 546 00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:37,920 I mean, I'll go up any time. 547 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:38,579 Do you want to walk? 548 00:33:38,579 --> 00:33:42,119 I mean, I don't know when I can go up tomorrow, but I could probably go up tomorrow. 549 00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:43,500 I could probably go up tomorrow. 550 00:33:43,619 --> 00:33:46,019 You guys want to set a time to go up and look at it? 551 00:33:46,019 --> 00:33:50,519 Set a time, and you tell them. 552 00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:58,920 I'm going to go look at it, Chuck, and I know zero about roads where that—Dave knows a lot more about roads. 553 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,259 We all know about water running downhill, though. 554 00:34:01,259 --> 00:34:02,299 Well, we do, right? 555 00:34:02,299 --> 00:34:12,780 But we'll go—like, we have to be in compliance, as Dave's saying, so we'll go out and look at it, see if there's anything we can come up with. 556 00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:13,480 Yeah. 557 00:34:13,619 --> 00:34:18,710 Can you go from there? 558 00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:31,579 And again, I can go from 8 o'clock in the morning until 3 o'clock in the afternoon. 559 00:34:31,579 --> 00:34:37,510 Okay, 61 Boulder Road, 8 o'clock, okay. 560 00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:45,139 That'll be done. 561 00:34:45,139 --> 00:34:48,440 Any other hearing of visitors? 562 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,369 I had something, but as soon as that time comes— 563 00:34:51,369 --> 00:34:54,110 Well, you know, understandable. 564 00:34:54,110 --> 00:34:59,730 And you said you've got a Cracker Jack planet board, and you can't even remember what you were going to say five minutes ago. 565 00:34:59,730 --> 00:35:01,170 What planet board? 566 00:35:01,170 --> 00:35:02,170 Oh, I didn't have one. 567 00:35:02,369 --> 00:35:05,159 I forgot what it was. 568 00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:09,960 No, I sit between these two over here, and they just elbow me, so— 569 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,260 That's good, that's good. 570 00:35:11,260 --> 00:35:13,199 A loss of memory. 571 00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:14,530 You know your place. 572 00:35:14,530 --> 00:35:19,829 Reading and approval of records and orders, the all-board meeting minutes of September 11th. 573 00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:22,840 Motion approved. 574 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:23,840 All in favor? 575 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,559 Aye. 576 00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:33,900 Same with last select board meeting of September 18th. 577 00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:36,239 Motion approved. 578 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,119 Second. 579 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:38,179 All in favor? 580 00:35:38,179 --> 00:35:42,159 We update. 581 00:35:42,159 --> 00:36:03,380 It's not bad, and I can cut the trees. 582 00:36:03,380 --> 00:36:04,639 Oh, yeah. 583 00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:09,340 What's—are you taking the logs, or are the abutters taking them? 584 00:36:09,340 --> 00:36:13,840 So the wood, one of the property owners has gotten his. 585 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:24,260 If we wanted, there's some other residents up there that showed him. 586 00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:26,400 My trailer came back empty, so thanks a lot. 587 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,199 Yeah. 588 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:29,900 So we're still working on that. 589 00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:30,699 Yep, yep. 590 00:36:30,699 --> 00:36:34,300 If there's a chance where you could take it, would you use it for the town garage? 591 00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:36,719 We—yeah, I mean, we can. 592 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:37,920 We could. 593 00:36:38,019 --> 00:36:43,219 We've been buying it cut and split the last few years because the board at the time felt 594 00:36:43,219 --> 00:36:49,860 it was not something we should really be doing, but if you want that to be, we can. 595 00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:52,309 I think at one time they used to do it like that, right? 596 00:36:52,309 --> 00:36:53,710 They used to do it like that. 597 00:36:53,710 --> 00:36:58,210 Well, yeah, they used to do it, but the abutters usually get first choice. 598 00:36:58,210 --> 00:37:05,440 So the state law says that if the property owner wants the wood—unless I can prove 599 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,380 that I'm using it to build a grove. 600 00:37:10,380 --> 00:37:12,280 Okay, yeah, Sportsman's looks pretty good. 601 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,280 It comes out of the car. 602 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,039 Okay. 603 00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:18,739 How did that water issue—did that ever get resolved? 604 00:37:18,739 --> 00:37:20,539 Where's that just at? 605 00:37:20,539 --> 00:37:25,039 Where Lisa lives, and there was another woman that had a problem here. 606 00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:27,940 Oh, we're getting a grant for it, right? 607 00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:31,050 Well, yeah, we're going to apply for a grant for that. 608 00:37:31,050 --> 00:37:33,650 Any kind of temporary resolution? 609 00:37:33,650 --> 00:37:34,150 No? 610 00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:36,429 Pay bills or something? 611 00:37:36,429 --> 00:37:44,619 That happens in a fairly large, like, flooding event. 612 00:37:44,619 --> 00:37:47,719 You know, there's measures they could take. 613 00:37:48,019 --> 00:37:53,920 I would just hate to see her come in again this year with the same issue and so on. 614 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,920 Some of that issue had to do with some of the drainage on Suzanne Drive. 615 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,130 But they had them working on that, correct? 616 00:38:02,130 --> 00:38:03,130 Suzanne? 617 00:38:03,130 --> 00:38:04,550 No. 618 00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:05,550 Really? 619 00:38:05,550 --> 00:38:06,550 I thought they had some of the water— 620 00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:07,550 They had something clean. 621 00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:10,559 The water could be turned. 622 00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:12,559 The water, if you look at—I can— 623 00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:33,119 When they built that grove, they had it turned. 624 00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:35,690 Chunks over a pound. 625 00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:39,949 So you said that—it's unfortunate that the water's coming out of the road and over 626 00:38:39,949 --> 00:38:40,949 into that ditch. 627 00:38:40,949 --> 00:38:41,949 But there's measures they could take. 628 00:38:41,949 --> 00:38:43,079 Okay. 629 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,070 They could take to prevent the issue they're having. 630 00:38:46,070 --> 00:38:48,070 And that's on Alpenwald? 631 00:38:48,070 --> 00:38:49,550 Yeah. 632 00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:50,550 No, it's on the homeowner, isn't it? 633 00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:57,840 I don't think Alpenwald covers culverts for driveways. 634 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,530 Right. 635 00:39:00,530 --> 00:39:01,530 Let's do some of the ditching, though, huh? 636 00:39:01,530 --> 00:39:02,530 On the sides of the road. 637 00:39:02,530 --> 00:39:06,530 But that—what he's talking about, that house needs—really needs a driveway culvert. 638 00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:07,530 Yeah. 639 00:39:07,530 --> 00:39:08,530 That would be on the homeowner. 640 00:39:08,530 --> 00:39:13,570 Maybe if we've got time tomorrow, we'll run up there and look at that. 641 00:39:13,570 --> 00:39:16,079 I'd be more than happy to do that. 642 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:20,420 Right now, somebody's a culvert. 643 00:39:20,420 --> 00:39:21,420 Yeah, I'll help. 644 00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:22,420 Yeah, you go ahead. 645 00:39:22,420 --> 00:39:23,420 Can you drive this over? 646 00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:24,420 Yeah, we're driving. 647 00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:25,420 I've got it cleaned right now. 648 00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:26,420 It's probably plugged up. 649 00:39:26,420 --> 00:39:28,349 In your spare time. 650 00:39:28,349 --> 00:39:29,349 You guys didn't really answer John's question about the fire. 651 00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:30,349 Oh, we— 652 00:39:30,349 --> 00:39:31,349 Oh, you answered it for me. 653 00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:32,349 You said if the homeowners wants it, they can get it. 654 00:39:32,349 --> 00:39:33,349 Yeah. 655 00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:35,760 Right. 656 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,760 If you— 657 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,760 It comes down to it, where you've got wood, I'd bring it back to the town garage. 658 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:38,760 Why not? 659 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:39,760 I mean, I look at it like this. 660 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:40,760 You've got a third guy. 661 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,760 If you have time, and you think that it's feasible to do it, go ahead. 662 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:42,760 Okay. 663 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:43,760 I mean, I don't see why we have to say yes or no. 664 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:44,760 I mean, you've got the machine, you don't have to— 665 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:45,760 Yeah. 666 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,760 Yeah. 667 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:47,760 Yeah. 668 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:48,760 Yeah. 669 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:49,760 Yeah. 670 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,760 Yeah. 671 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:51,760 Yeah. 672 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,760 Yeah. 673 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,760 Yeah. 674 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,760 You've got the pump in the truck, and— 675 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:55,760 Right. 676 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:56,760 We all— 677 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:57,760 You can split is the thing. 678 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,760 We don't have a splitter or anything. 679 00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,760 Right, but that's a— 680 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:00,760 Yeah. 681 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:01,760 Yeah. 682 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,760 Maybe we put on the— 683 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:03,760 If you're hand-splitting, I don't know, you know, if that's feasible, you know? 684 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:04,760 I mean, I wouldn't— 685 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,789 Bring the knife or the day. 686 00:40:05,789 --> 00:40:06,789 I mean, I'd draw my hand, that's pretty— 687 00:40:06,789 --> 00:40:07,789 Yeah, I mean, that's— 688 00:40:07,789 --> 00:40:08,789 Yeah. 689 00:40:08,789 --> 00:40:09,789 I mean, you can— 690 00:40:09,789 --> 00:40:10,789 There's plenty of splitters. 691 00:40:10,789 --> 00:40:12,409 The thing is, you've got to look at it and say, just like you've been telling us before, 692 00:40:12,409 --> 00:40:13,409 we're going to bring this— 693 00:40:13,409 --> 00:40:14,409 We're going to have it. 694 00:40:14,409 --> 00:40:15,469 We're going to bring this. 695 00:40:15,469 --> 00:40:16,469 Yeah. 696 00:40:16,469 --> 00:40:17,469 Right. 697 00:40:17,469 --> 00:40:18,469 Okay. 698 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,880 I can do this or this. I can't do both. 699 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,880 It used to be when we had it years ago we had a different stove. 700 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,880 When we weren't plowing snow in the wintertime we could burn pretty much green wood in there. 701 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,880 We would go out and cut it and split it in the winter in between plowing and stuff and just bring it in the garage. 702 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,880 With the new efficient stove you can't do that. You have to have dry wood. 703 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,880 So it has to be all done ahead of time. 704 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,880 Well you seem to have a good pile down here anyways now. 705 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,880 Yeah there's logs I think behind the garage still. 706 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:53,880 There is. 707 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,010 So we had enough wood for this year. 708 00:40:57,010 --> 00:41:02,010 Well if you don't use it and you want to drop it off for a landfill or something you know where to drop it. 709 00:41:02,010 --> 00:41:08,010 They said I had no problem doing the firewood it was just the board decided that we shouldn't be doing it. 710 00:41:08,010 --> 00:41:12,010 Yeah I don't think it matters. I don't think it should matter to the board at this point. 711 00:41:12,010 --> 00:41:16,010 If you think you've got time to do it and you want to do it I don't have a problem with it. 712 00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:18,010 If you don't I don't have a problem with that either. 713 00:41:18,010 --> 00:41:19,010 Use your best discretion. 714 00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:21,010 Yeah use your time wisely. 715 00:41:21,010 --> 00:41:23,010 You know just like I did. 716 00:41:23,010 --> 00:41:28,010 No disrespect at all but I'm going to go as a board member. 717 00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:30,010 I'm a machinist. I'm not a road guy. 718 00:41:30,010 --> 00:41:32,010 I'm going to go and ask you what do you think we're going to do? 719 00:41:32,010 --> 00:41:34,010 We can go out and look at anything. 720 00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:36,010 What are we going to do about this? 721 00:41:36,010 --> 00:41:39,010 You're going to say everything's in compliance. There's nothing we can do. 722 00:41:39,010 --> 00:41:41,010 If that's the case that's the case. 723 00:41:41,010 --> 00:41:43,010 Well that's what brought up the other one on the sportsman club road. 724 00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:47,010 It's like how can we go fix this one for this guy when we haven't installed the other one yet. 725 00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:48,010 Right. 726 00:41:48,010 --> 00:41:50,010 You only can do what we can do. 727 00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:51,360 I get it. 728 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,360 But I'm not going to sit down and say. 729 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,360 I'm not going to sit there and argue with someone who's done it all his life. 730 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,360 And say well we've got to put a coffer in. 731 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,360 He goes Mike it's not going to work. 732 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,360 That doesn't make sense to argue about it. 733 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,360 I mean you can't just throw a culvert in a cannon. 734 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,360 It doesn't seem to be. 735 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,360 Don't you have a guy that's got to come and do a hydraulic study? 736 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,360 Up on sportsman? 737 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,360 Oh like on the shirt if you're going to put a culvert in. 738 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,360 No I don't need a hydraulic study done for that. 739 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,360 I can do the field study there. 740 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,360 For a smaller myself. 741 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,360 Smaller. 742 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:21,360 About 15 inch. 743 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,360 Well that's why I asked him about changing. 744 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,360 The conditions up there. 745 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,360 Because it could be changing in a row. 746 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,969 The water. 747 00:42:27,969 --> 00:42:30,960 It blows down. 748 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:31,960 I would say that nothing really. 749 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:32,960 Nothing major has changed. 750 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,960 Like he said water falls. 751 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,599 Right. 752 00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:37,400 Water has to go off the road. 753 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,400 If there's no ditch to catch the water. 754 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,400 Then it's going to just keep going in the direction it's going. 755 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,400 I probably care but it's about. 756 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,590 I mean it sounded like you had some variables working against it already. 757 00:42:41,590 --> 00:42:42,590 You said there was a shallow well. 758 00:42:42,590 --> 00:42:43,719 Yeah. 759 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:44,719 Also foundation. 760 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:51,409 Right. 761 00:42:51,409 --> 00:42:52,699 Yeah. 762 00:42:52,699 --> 00:42:53,699 Foundation. 763 00:42:53,699 --> 00:42:54,699 And it looks like it was filled in a lot too. 764 00:42:54,699 --> 00:42:55,699 Herd grass. 765 00:42:55,699 --> 00:42:56,699 Herd grass. 766 00:42:56,699 --> 00:42:57,699 Herd grass. 767 00:42:57,699 --> 00:42:58,699 Herd grass. 768 00:42:58,699 --> 00:42:59,699 Herd grass. 769 00:42:59,699 --> 00:43:00,699 Herd grass. 770 00:43:00,699 --> 00:43:01,699 Herd grass. 771 00:43:01,699 --> 00:43:02,699 Herd grass. 772 00:43:02,699 --> 00:43:03,699 Yeah. 773 00:43:03,699 --> 00:43:04,699 So there's a lot of stuff. 774 00:43:04,699 --> 00:43:05,699 In the middle of the road. 775 00:43:05,699 --> 00:43:06,699 Yeah. 776 00:43:06,699 --> 00:43:07,699 In the middle of a road. 777 00:43:07,699 --> 00:43:08,699 Yeah. 778 00:43:08,699 --> 00:43:09,699 Oh. 779 00:43:09,699 --> 00:43:10,699 That's right. 780 00:43:10,699 --> 00:43:11,699 Yeah. 781 00:43:11,699 --> 00:43:12,699 The road is the most dangerous area. 782 00:43:12,699 --> 00:43:13,699 There are walls. 783 00:43:13,699 --> 00:43:14,699 Walls. 784 00:43:14,699 --> 00:43:15,699 Walls. 785 00:43:15,699 --> 00:43:16,699 There's forest. 786 00:43:16,699 --> 00:43:17,699 It's not. 787 00:43:17,699 --> 00:43:18,699 You know. 788 00:43:18,699 --> 00:43:19,699 I mean Mr. Neahawk is probably not still here. 789 00:43:19,699 --> 00:43:20,699 So I don't want to keep talking about it. 790 00:43:20,699 --> 00:43:21,699 Yeah. 791 00:43:21,699 --> 00:43:22,699 I don't feel the town is in violation there. 792 00:43:22,699 --> 00:43:23,699 I don't feel like we unjustly put any water on anybody's property. 793 00:43:23,699 --> 00:43:24,699 It's just it comes out of the sky and it has to go somewhere. 794 00:43:24,699 --> 00:43:25,699 Right. 795 00:43:25,699 --> 00:43:26,699 Okay. 796 00:43:26,699 --> 00:43:27,699 What else on a highway update? 797 00:43:27,699 --> 00:43:28,800 Trucks ready for snow? 798 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,800 No. 799 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:30,800 Actually the 2019 freight line. 800 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,800 What's up. 801 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:48,340 The 2019 Freightliner is in Westminster. It had a bunch of issues at the moment. I'm waiting to see if they can source parts. There's some backward parts for the spindle on the front that they can't seem to get. 802 00:43:48,340 --> 00:44:15,969 I went there for a DEF light, which is, you know, it's wiring, it's computer stuff, stuff that is mechanical that we really can't fix, unfortunately. And while I was there, they noticed some other things, so we had to address that. And in the process, they found more digging into it, and now we're waiting on parts. So I'm not sure when I'm going to get that truck back. 803 00:44:15,969 --> 00:44:22,019 While we're on truck maintenance, how often... 804 00:44:22,179 --> 00:44:29,739 Would you say, like, the trucks get cleaned, you know, regularly maintained by you guys? 805 00:44:29,739 --> 00:45:00,900 So we do... So I would say the 5500 size truck gets oil changes due. 806 00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:02,860 Yeah, no... 807 00:45:02,860 --> 00:45:05,860 Weekly schedule or something, you got to try to break that dirt cycle. 808 00:45:05,860 --> 00:45:09,860 Yeah. Unfortunately, when you work on dirt roads every day... 809 00:45:09,860 --> 00:45:10,860 Oh, I get it. 810 00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:15,860 It's going to be dirty every day, especially if it rains. I mean, I could wash that truck almost every day if it's raining. 811 00:45:15,860 --> 00:45:18,860 I don't know if your time is used widely elsewhere, but... 812 00:45:18,860 --> 00:45:25,860 Those are, like, a big expense to the town, and it would be nice to see them presented a little bit better. 813 00:45:25,860 --> 00:45:29,989 I drive by there, and I know my... I got to do it to my vehicle. 814 00:45:29,989 --> 00:45:31,989 I won't go great. 815 00:45:31,989 --> 00:45:34,989 I got to do it to my vehicle, and I'm like, oh, I got to give it a bath. 816 00:45:34,989 --> 00:45:37,989 I won't work on any of that stuff, and I'll wash the truck. 817 00:45:37,989 --> 00:45:42,989 Well, I know we got a third guy now. Maybe we could utilize him to do something like that. 818 00:45:42,989 --> 00:45:46,989 James was power washing the big truck today, so you can truck that for a pain. 819 00:45:46,989 --> 00:45:49,989 But, I mean, I... 820 00:45:49,989 --> 00:45:56,989 Well, my daughter lives up there. We wash her car at the shop, and she goes there, and the next day, it doesn't even look like we touched it. 821 00:45:56,989 --> 00:45:57,989 Yeah. 822 00:45:57,989 --> 00:45:59,989 Well, I understand there's some dust up there, that's for sure. 823 00:45:59,989 --> 00:46:01,989 I park the truck in the yard that gets dirty. 824 00:46:01,989 --> 00:46:06,989 I mean, the truck's parked there all summer, and the dust going by gets dirty. 825 00:46:06,989 --> 00:46:10,280 I mean, I don't... We do it when we can. That's all I can tell you. 826 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,280 Yeah. 827 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,570 It's not my top priority, because... 828 00:46:14,570 --> 00:46:15,570 Here's your best description. 829 00:46:15,570 --> 00:46:16,570 Dust in there really isn't rotting. 830 00:46:16,570 --> 00:46:18,570 It really isn't rotting the truck. 831 00:46:18,570 --> 00:46:19,570 I mean, it's all... 832 00:46:19,570 --> 00:46:22,570 If you guys are really concerned about it, let's put a wash bay in the garage. 833 00:46:22,570 --> 00:46:23,570 Let's put it... 834 00:46:23,570 --> 00:46:26,570 Let's put some real heat in the garage with a wash bay. 835 00:46:26,570 --> 00:46:31,570 That would be my other concern, too, is washing stuff, because you're right in the flood corridor there. 836 00:46:31,570 --> 00:46:32,570 Yeah. I mean... 837 00:46:32,570 --> 00:46:33,570 But, at the same time... 838 00:46:33,570 --> 00:46:38,570 Put it in a tank that catches all the waste water, and have it pumped out, and let's start spending some real money. 839 00:46:38,570 --> 00:46:46,050 Because you were talking about buying a new truck at some point, and if we're going to spend money like that... 840 00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:47,050 You're going to anyway, even if you don't... 841 00:46:47,050 --> 00:46:48,050 See a new paint. 842 00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:49,050 Even if you wash it every day. 843 00:46:49,050 --> 00:46:50,050 And look sharp. 844 00:46:50,050 --> 00:46:56,050 That's not what's wrecking these trucks. They're not fire trucks. They don't sit in the garage 99% of their life. 845 00:46:56,050 --> 00:47:04,139 I think down the road, John, I think we're going to have to really seriously think about a new facility. 846 00:47:04,139 --> 00:47:12,070 You know, that spot where it is, I think down the road, the states could tell us we got to move that. 847 00:47:12,070 --> 00:47:15,969 You know, we can buy a piece of land next door. 848 00:47:15,969 --> 00:47:16,969 You could already go up there. 849 00:47:16,969 --> 00:47:18,130 Yeah. 850 00:47:18,130 --> 00:47:20,500 Huh? 851 00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:21,500 No. 852 00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:22,500 No. 853 00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:25,500 And there is a problem if we do go to... 854 00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:27,500 Say the state comes in and says, okay, this is what... 855 00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:31,389 You know, you will spend a lot of money. 856 00:47:31,389 --> 00:47:33,389 We should start looking... 857 00:47:33,389 --> 00:47:37,190 And I've said this years ago. 858 00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:39,190 There's been properties that came up. 859 00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:40,190 Properties weren't by us. 860 00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:42,190 And we keep doing that. 861 00:47:42,190 --> 00:47:44,320 And we talk about $100,000. 862 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,320 Oh, that's too much. 863 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,320 $200,000. 864 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:47,320 Oh, that's too much. 865 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,320 And these trucks... 866 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,320 You're right, John. 867 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,320 They're expensive. 868 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:51,320 These trucks are expensive. 869 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,320 These trucks are expensive. 870 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,320 That freight liner bothers me to no end that you can't... 871 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,320 You're having a problem getting parts. 872 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,320 And I remember signing the damn paper on that, 2019. 873 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,320 I mean, that's just ridiculous. 874 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,320 But that's the life we live. 875 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,420 But you're going to find... 876 00:48:07,420 --> 00:48:09,420 And I'm telling this sweatboard right now. 877 00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:12,420 If I'm not here, I hope it keeps going. 878 00:48:12,420 --> 00:48:13,420 Someone does it. 879 00:48:13,420 --> 00:48:17,420 If a piece of property comes up, we need to start looking at getting a piece of property. 880 00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:18,420 We really need it. 881 00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:20,420 And I don't know what's going to happen here. 882 00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:23,420 I know that's beautiful land out there. 883 00:48:23,420 --> 00:48:27,420 But this would be a perfect spot for a town garage. 884 00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:29,420 I know we got a school here. 885 00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:38,860 But that town garage, if we ever decide to grow, Dave, in any direction, there's no room up there. 886 00:48:38,860 --> 00:48:44,210 Yeah, I think, unfortunately, I see the whole picture. 887 00:48:44,269 --> 00:48:48,269 And sometimes people just see a small portion of it. 888 00:48:48,269 --> 00:48:52,269 I think if you really want to save money in some way, shape, or form, 889 00:48:52,269 --> 00:48:56,269 when it comes to equipment, pave the damn roads. 890 00:48:56,269 --> 00:49:01,269 These trucks get beat to death on these dirt roads all summer long. 891 00:49:01,269 --> 00:49:03,269 Two meetings ago, I said, let's do it. 892 00:49:03,269 --> 00:49:05,269 I got a guy coming this month. 893 00:49:05,269 --> 00:49:06,269 Yeah, let's do it. 894 00:49:06,269 --> 00:49:07,269 Let's start looking at it. 895 00:49:07,269 --> 00:49:10,269 But if you really want to get serious about not wasting money, 896 00:49:10,269 --> 00:49:13,269 you're going to have to spend some serious money. 897 00:49:13,269 --> 00:49:17,269 And, you know, washing some dust off the truck ain't going to save you anything. 898 00:49:17,269 --> 00:49:19,269 Just like the fire department. 899 00:49:19,269 --> 00:49:20,269 It got done. 900 00:49:20,269 --> 00:49:21,269 It can be done. 901 00:49:21,269 --> 00:49:26,340 You say, all right, $600,000 you got to quote to pave two miles. 902 00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:27,340 Right. 903 00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:29,340 That's like, to me, that's a steal. 904 00:49:29,340 --> 00:49:30,340 Yeah. 905 00:49:30,340 --> 00:49:32,340 What do you think it's going to be five years from now? 906 00:49:32,340 --> 00:49:33,340 Do you think it's going to be more or less? 907 00:49:33,340 --> 00:49:34,340 Way more. 908 00:49:34,340 --> 00:49:37,400 And then you're probably not going to have to get gravel. 909 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,400 Right. 910 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,400 Oh, that's coming. 911 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,400 I know. 912 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,400 It's coming. 913 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,400 But I'd love to see us put away money. 914 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,400 And during budget time, I'm going to bring this up. 915 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,400 Just set up something just like we did the fire department. 916 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,400 Put away money, whether you do it today or next year. 917 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,400 Put some money away. 918 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,400 It has to get done. 919 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,400 It also brings up the question of development in town. 920 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,400 You guys got to encourage more development. 921 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,400 I agree. 922 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,400 Bring in people to pay taxes. 923 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,400 Well, smart development. 924 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,400 It'll help the budget out. 925 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,400 You don't want just straight up development. 926 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,400 It'll change the whole character of the town. 927 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,519 I understand. 928 00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:19,519 But it wouldn't be bad to have a nice little town that you can walk up to. 929 00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:20,519 You got to bring people in. 930 00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:23,519 You can walk up and down and have someone to walk with you. 931 00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:24,650 Sure. 932 00:50:24,650 --> 00:50:26,650 There's some food to thought. 933 00:50:26,650 --> 00:50:29,380 Bring the garage down here. 934 00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:36,800 The town needs to start thinking about because doing the plan, all of that, part of doing 935 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,800 the plan, we have to designate a certain area for the village. 936 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:41,800 Right? 937 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,800 That's part of the plan. 938 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:49,800 Also, just keep in mind that there is grants out there, municipal grants for the village. 939 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:50,800 It may not be. 940 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,760 You may not be able to get the grant. 941 00:50:53,760 --> 00:51:02,369 Or have to get a grant or someplace like that. 942 00:51:02,369 --> 00:51:06,150 So, I don't know. 943 00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:07,150 I'm just saying. 944 00:51:07,150 --> 00:51:08,150 I'm just saying for that discussion. 945 00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:11,250 But the village is set now. 946 00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:13,280 Doubt why you're shaking your head no. 947 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,280 It is set now. 948 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,599 We can regulate the lines right now. 949 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,599 Isn't that what Callie said? 950 00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:22,699 Right now, what we're doing is we got a recommendation from ECRC where they want to change the lines 951 00:51:22,699 --> 00:51:23,699 for the village center. 952 00:51:23,699 --> 00:51:27,699 We are talking about this at our next planning commission meeting where we're going to recommend 953 00:51:27,699 --> 00:51:28,699 them. 954 00:51:28,699 --> 00:51:30,699 And ultimately, they'll go with what we say. 955 00:51:30,699 --> 00:51:31,699 Okay. 956 00:51:31,699 --> 00:51:32,699 So, that's where my question was confused. 957 00:51:32,699 --> 00:51:33,699 Yes. 958 00:51:33,699 --> 00:51:36,699 So, we're talking about putting the town garage, including that, into the . 959 00:51:36,699 --> 00:51:37,699 Okay. 960 00:51:37,699 --> 00:51:38,699 So, we can. 961 00:51:38,699 --> 00:51:39,699 That's what my question actually is. 962 00:51:39,699 --> 00:51:40,699 We can expand this. 963 00:51:40,699 --> 00:51:41,699 Say the village is here to here. 964 00:51:41,699 --> 00:51:42,699 We can make it different if we want to. 965 00:51:42,699 --> 00:51:43,699 We're doing that this month, though. 966 00:51:43,699 --> 00:51:44,699 The problem with the location of the town garage is we've got to be careful how much 967 00:51:44,699 --> 00:51:45,699 money we're investing into that structure. 968 00:51:45,699 --> 00:51:46,699 Oh, I understand that. 969 00:51:46,699 --> 00:51:47,699 There's very rarely deposits there. 970 00:51:47,699 --> 00:51:48,699 And I'm very surprised the river hasn't already taken the whole building away. 971 00:51:48,699 --> 00:51:49,699 That's right. 972 00:51:49,699 --> 00:51:50,699 That's right. 973 00:51:50,699 --> 00:51:51,699 That's right. 974 00:51:51,699 --> 00:51:52,699 That's right. 975 00:51:52,699 --> 00:51:53,699 That's right. 976 00:51:53,699 --> 00:51:54,699 That's right. 977 00:51:54,699 --> 00:51:55,699 That's right. 978 00:51:55,699 --> 00:51:56,699 To be quite honest with you. 979 00:51:56,699 --> 00:51:57,699 So, it's only a matter of time. 980 00:51:57,699 --> 00:51:58,699 There's no water in the building. 981 00:51:58,699 --> 00:51:59,699 And the river now would occur. 982 00:51:59,699 --> 00:52:00,699 It's coming. 983 00:52:00,699 --> 00:52:01,699 I know. 984 00:52:01,699 --> 00:52:02,699 I know. 985 00:52:02,699 --> 00:52:03,699 Stan? 986 00:52:03,699 --> 00:52:04,699 I think the other thing to keep in mind, we talked about this in the planning commission 987 00:52:04,699 --> 00:52:05,730 meeting is instead of like sort of willy nilly trying to meet symptoms of why we would change 988 00:52:05,730 --> 00:52:06,730 designation of the village center, it's like to understand what is the vision of the town. 989 00:52:06,730 --> 00:52:07,730 What is the vision of growth? 990 00:52:07,730 --> 00:52:08,730 What is the vision of the city? 991 00:52:08,730 --> 00:52:09,730 And what are the things that we should be thinking about? 992 00:52:09,730 --> 00:52:10,730 I mean, you're right. 993 00:52:10,730 --> 00:52:11,730 I mean, you're right. 994 00:52:11,730 --> 00:52:12,730 I mean, you're right. 995 00:52:12,730 --> 00:52:13,730 I mean, you're right. 996 00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:14,730 I mean, you're right. 997 00:52:14,730 --> 00:52:15,730 I mean, you're right. 998 00:52:15,730 --> 00:52:16,730 I mean, you're right. 999 00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:17,730 And so, when you say we should be thinking of why we would change designation of the 1000 00:52:17,730 --> 00:52:18,730 village center, it's like to understand what is the vision of the town. 1001 00:52:18,730 --> 00:52:19,730 What is the vision of growth? 1002 00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:22,730 What is the vision of slow or fast development? 1003 00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:23,730 Whatever. 1004 00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:29,730 Like, again, understand what people, the people who live here really want. 1005 00:52:29,730 --> 00:52:33,730 And then, you begin to create your village center ideas. 1006 00:52:33,730 --> 00:52:37,730 And the rest expand in categories around that. 1007 00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:42,730 Because that's when you can start to go after grants and different funding to help that 1008 00:52:42,730 --> 00:52:43,730 come alive. 1009 00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:44,730 And so, I think that's what we have. 1010 00:52:44,730 --> 00:52:45,730 I mean, we have. 1011 00:52:45,730 --> 00:52:46,730 So. 1012 00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:52,309 be a reality but without if you go after its symptom it's symptomatically instead 1013 00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:57,230 of going to like the root desire the root mission it will just not ever 1014 00:52:57,230 --> 00:53:04,909 really work exactly if you start doing something right now you will find out 1015 00:53:04,909 --> 00:53:10,789 what people don't want it right away so the village center lines are important 1016 00:53:10,789 --> 00:53:14,449 for the fact that what the state is really after is the quarter-mile 1017 00:53:14,449 --> 00:53:18,110 circumference that that encircles the village center district that's really 1018 00:53:18,110 --> 00:53:22,230 what they're kicking around to because that's where they want to develop so 1019 00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:27,989 based on how far you want potential development to extend out in this town 1020 00:53:27,989 --> 00:53:34,409 it's important for those lines start and stop for example there's a 300 acre golf 1021 00:53:34,409 --> 00:53:38,849 course down there I don't know what the families our intentions are in the 1022 00:53:38,849 --> 00:53:42,630 future with that parcel but that's 300 acres of land that can be parceled out 1023 00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:44,210 at two acre lots 1024 00:53:44,610 --> 00:53:51,230 with a lot of accessibility so be very careful what you're trying to encourage 1025 00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:55,909 and what you're trying to do development is not the answer it depends on what 1026 00:53:55,909 --> 00:53:59,809 kind of development you get you know just straight out development doesn't 1027 00:53:59,809 --> 00:54:03,309 necessarily mean you're going to get more tax revenue you could have more 1028 00:54:03,309 --> 00:54:08,320 kids in high school there's a lot of things around that so we've talked about 1029 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:14,440 that can we go back to the highway and because we're on planning now can we go 1030 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:15,099 back to highway 1031 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:37,639 so recycling can we get that dumpster back that the dumpster up there says New 1032 00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:42,920 Ashford only and that's the small give me the number give me the number tried and 1033 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,219 tried and tried whatever dumpsters in the yard when they get there that's what 1034 00:54:46,219 --> 00:54:51,079 you get yep I've called and complained all the way up the ladder doesn't matter 1035 00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:51,579 yep 1036 00:54:51,739 --> 00:54:53,780 but good luck I'll give you that 1037 00:54:53,780 --> 00:54:54,280 give me a number 1038 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,900 I go twice a week to the junkyard and I don't get the same thing back 1039 00:54:57,900 --> 00:55:03,739 I talked to Denalino's about a price on the dumpsters and it's going to be a bunch more money that they can sell 1040 00:55:03,739 --> 00:55:04,739 so it's not even worth it 1041 00:55:04,739 --> 00:55:05,739 not even a thought of that right 1042 00:55:05,739 --> 00:55:06,739 number from Dave 1043 00:55:06,739 --> 00:55:22,829 okay and I noticed on the school door we still have the recycling attendant job posted for a substitute can we pull that and then we can get that back 1044 00:55:22,829 --> 00:55:23,829 difference 1045 00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:25,030 for every until yesterday 1046 00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:25,590 okay 1047 00:55:25,590 --> 00:55:28,940 is it 1048 00:55:28,940 --> 00:55:29,639 that hard 1049 00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:30,400 no 1050 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:31,280 it's undue 1051 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:57,869 30 1052 00:55:57,869 --> 00:55:58,389 we can't leave here 1053 00:55:58,389 --> 00:56:06,940 15 years now. Whether or not I'm going to hire someone tomorrow, he gives me an opportunity. 1054 00:56:06,940 --> 00:56:18,659 Say a guy comes in tomorrow and says, we want this guy. So we can say we're not hiring and then he'll 1055 00:56:18,659 --> 00:56:23,659 say, well, why is the notice still up? Well, we don't have to say we're not hiring. We can just say, okay, 1056 00:56:23,659 --> 00:56:28,820 we'll put your application in and we chose not to hire that person. We don't have 1057 00:56:28,820 --> 00:56:33,820 to give a reason why we don't hire. We can say we're not hiring at this time, the application's 1058 00:56:33,820 --> 00:56:39,079 up. We're deciding whether or not we want to do it. We're just looking for applications. 1059 00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:44,079 I'm just saying, there's places that keep help on the signs 1060 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:49,079 forever. Because the right person comes along, it's nice to know. 1061 00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:54,780 Just like Dave said, although we have a third man, this third man 1062 00:56:54,780 --> 00:56:59,909 is... 1063 00:56:59,909 --> 00:57:04,909 That's right. This third man has qualifications. 1064 00:57:04,909 --> 00:57:12,340 And I actually think that we have to have a rule 1065 00:57:12,340 --> 00:57:19,869 about cell phones. I did. 1066 00:57:19,869 --> 00:57:26,179 Exactly what Dave said. We don't need to... 1067 00:57:26,179 --> 00:57:33,869 We don't want a skilled man doing that work if we have... 1068 00:57:33,869 --> 00:57:39,159 Not saying he wouldn't, but just like me taking my best machinist and having him run a saw. I'd rather 1069 00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:44,159 have the saw guy run a saw and hire another guy. Well, just because we have it up 1070 00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:49,159 and you feel we don't have to hire someone if they come in and say, I want to work there. 1071 00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:50,159 I don't think so, at least. 1072 00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:52,400 You feel the same? 1073 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,400 We could take him for all the positions that we hired for, not just for... 1074 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:57,400 Sure. 1075 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,400 We could take them all, in case something happened. 1076 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,400 You apply for this job, back in whenever... 1077 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,400 We have a history of having a problem finding people. We have a history of that. 1078 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,400 Put it on the website. 1079 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,110 Yeah. I mean, that's a great idea to put it up. 1080 00:58:14,110 --> 00:58:15,110 It is on there. 1081 00:58:15,110 --> 00:58:18,110 Yeah. We're always looking for people. 1082 00:58:18,110 --> 00:58:20,739 Yeah. 1083 00:58:20,739 --> 00:58:27,199 Okay. Anything else on recycling? New cards ready? 1084 00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:34,639 I've already sold a good... 1085 00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:42,639 Anything on discussion? Correspondence? Errors and omissions certificate? 1086 00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:46,829 You want to give us background on that? 1087 00:58:46,829 --> 00:59:04,130 One, we purchased the lot behind him. 1088 00:59:04,130 --> 00:59:10,699 It changed and he had two separate grant list entries and two separate tax bills. 1089 00:59:10,699 --> 00:59:14,699 And he had called and asked that the town combine them into one. 1090 00:59:14,699 --> 00:59:19,019 They're under the same name. They're contiguous. 1091 00:59:19,019 --> 00:59:31,929 So, when you do that, by itself, it resulted in a small reduction. 1092 00:59:31,929 --> 00:59:39,849 Once they lodge the grant list with me, and especially after tax bills are sent out, 1093 00:59:39,849 --> 00:59:43,849 any change to the grant list needs to be approved by you. 1094 00:59:43,849 --> 00:59:51,880 So, our assessor has made the change and signed the errors and omissions certificate, 1095 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,880 and would like you guys to sign it. 1096 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:55,880 We'll sign it as well. 1097 00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:45,079 Make it anyway and... 1098 01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:46,079 Motion. 1099 01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:47,079 Motion to sign it. 1100 01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:48,079 Second. 1101 01:00:48,079 --> 01:01:02,710 All in favor? 1102 01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:03,710 Aye. 1103 01:01:03,710 --> 01:01:04,710 Aye. 1104 01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:05,710 Nobody's going to challenge it, whether it was a motion or... 1105 01:01:05,710 --> 01:01:09,010 Right. 1106 01:01:09,010 --> 01:01:10,010 Yes, sir. 1107 01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:12,679 You can't read it. 1108 01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:13,679 You're a doctor. 1109 01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:18,800 You should see former slot board member that we had here. 1110 01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:23,800 She would have signed her name here as knowing how he would know what it said. 1111 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,079 And she said it took her years of practice to get it just like that. 1112 01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:29,079 Remember that? 1113 01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:34,440 Yep. 1114 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:40,170 Mark. 1115 01:01:40,170 --> 01:01:41,170 Yes, ma'am. 1116 01:01:41,170 --> 01:01:42,170 Yes, ma'am. 1117 01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:43,170 We realize the error that we had in the employee policy handbook. 1118 01:01:43,170 --> 01:01:44,170 I sent you all just that one change, that one paragraph. 1119 01:01:44,170 --> 01:01:45,170 So, if it seemed okay to you, then this is revised. 1120 01:01:45,170 --> 01:01:46,170 That was for the requirement, I think. 1121 01:01:46,170 --> 01:01:47,170 Yeah. 1122 01:01:47,170 --> 01:01:48,170 I'd like to keep this down the road for two more weeks. 1123 01:01:48,170 --> 01:01:49,170 You should just sign. 1124 01:01:49,170 --> 01:01:50,170 Thanks. 1125 01:01:50,170 --> 01:01:51,170 Done yet? 1126 01:01:51,170 --> 01:01:52,170 We're going to cross phone. 1127 01:01:52,170 --> 01:01:53,170 That's a call. 1128 01:01:53,170 --> 01:01:54,170 Then I'll have to go find it. 1129 01:01:54,170 --> 01:01:55,170 Oh, you hear that? 1130 01:01:55,170 --> 01:01:56,170 No. 1131 01:01:56,170 --> 01:01:57,170 I didn't hear that. 1132 01:01:57,170 --> 01:01:58,170 No. 1133 01:01:58,170 --> 01:01:59,170 No. 1134 01:01:59,170 --> 01:02:00,170 No. 1135 01:02:00,170 --> 01:02:07,000 No. 1136 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,880 No. 1137 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:20,800 No. 1138 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:30,000 No. 1139 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,000 No. 1140 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,000 No. 1141 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,000 No. 1142 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,000 No. 1143 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,000 No. 1144 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,000 I had a phone call. 1145 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,000 You have a phone call, huh? 1146 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,000 You're right here. 1147 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,000 Yeah. 1148 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,000 Right here. 1149 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,000 I didn't know. 1150 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,039 Tommy can check it in, though. 1151 01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:43,039 Yep. 1152 01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:44,039 Tommy, behind your house. 1153 01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:45,039 This is where I come to, call Tommy up. 1154 01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:57,239 Hey, can you come help me find this beer? 1155 01:02:57,239 --> 01:03:00,730 These days are FOREVER today. 1156 01:03:00,730 --> 01:03:04,690 A MUNDI 실 sü sustrnitzendeł alright? 1157 01:03:04,690 --> 01:03:07,360 Yeah. 1158 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,460 On Monday nothtkjours we had four in the yard. 1159 01:03:11,460 --> 01:03:13,119 Yeah, cheers. 1160 01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:13,900 I drive up there all times. 1161 01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:17,900 There's deer up by your place, there's deer up by his place, there's always deer up there. 1162 01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:19,900 Go over to Turnaround, Senecals. 1163 01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:21,900 Except Dirt and Deer Season. 1164 01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:23,900 Dirt and Deer Season, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1165 01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:27,900 Well, since they were building next door, I thought I would push them away. 1166 01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:30,900 You got some nice old stuff. 1167 01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:33,900 Caught in the grass here one day, they were up there. 1168 01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:38,900 Yeah, they're starting to come down, they're starting to have mast on the edge of the road. 1169 01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:40,900 Yeah, I used to hunt. 1170 01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:42,900 What else do we have, Lori? 1171 01:03:42,900 --> 01:03:44,900 Just that we wanted to discuss Halloween. 1172 01:03:44,900 --> 01:03:46,900 Oh yeah, Halloween. 1173 01:03:46,900 --> 01:03:48,900 Yep. 1174 01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:50,900 All right. 1175 01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:56,199 On Halloween. 1176 01:03:56,199 --> 01:04:02,780 9-1-1 numbering update. 1177 01:04:02,780 --> 01:04:05,780 Any correspondence on that? 1178 01:04:05,780 --> 01:04:06,780 Emergency management? 1179 01:04:06,780 --> 01:04:08,780 What are we waiting for on that? 1180 01:04:08,780 --> 01:04:13,780 We're waiting for a list because they said there's a lot of buildings that don't have 9-1-1 numbers. 1181 01:04:13,780 --> 01:04:14,780 Exactly. 1182 01:04:14,780 --> 01:04:15,780 I have one. 1183 01:04:15,780 --> 01:04:17,780 So they were going around to find out. 1184 01:04:17,780 --> 01:04:20,880 You asked Bob to identify them. 1185 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:29,010 So we asked the emergency management if they would go around and give us numbers because you said you and Joan are done. 1186 01:04:29,010 --> 01:04:30,010 We're not going to do it again. 1187 01:04:30,010 --> 01:04:31,010 Yep. 1188 01:04:31,010 --> 01:04:32,010 You're done. 1189 01:04:32,010 --> 01:04:33,010 You've done it before. 1190 01:04:33,010 --> 01:04:34,010 Yep. 1191 01:04:34,010 --> 01:04:35,010 A couple of times. 1192 01:04:35,010 --> 01:04:41,099 I don't know how your group is, your emergency management group is doing any of that, getting numbers. 1193 01:04:41,099 --> 01:04:43,099 We're waiting for everyone to comply. 1194 01:04:43,099 --> 01:04:44,099 If they don't, I guess they'll get it. 1195 01:04:44,099 --> 01:04:45,099 Yeah. 1196 01:04:45,099 --> 01:04:49,099 There's a lot of buildings that don't have the 9-1-1 numbers on them. 1197 01:04:49,099 --> 01:04:52,099 We can't send them a letter if we don't know. 1198 01:04:52,099 --> 01:04:54,099 That's the button right there. 1199 01:04:54,099 --> 01:04:55,099 There you go. 1200 01:04:55,099 --> 01:04:56,099 Whatever. 1201 01:04:56,099 --> 01:04:58,099 We're going to send you a fine and we're not going to come get you. 1202 01:04:58,099 --> 01:04:59,099 Yeah, exactly. 1203 01:04:59,099 --> 01:05:00,099 We don't know. 1204 01:05:00,099 --> 01:05:01,260 Okay. 1205 01:05:01,260 --> 01:05:07,260 Anything on town sign update for the sign, update on the sign out front? 1206 01:05:07,260 --> 01:05:11,260 I noticed the flowers and grasses were cut down. 1207 01:05:11,260 --> 01:05:14,260 So Pam, I've been trying to reach Pam back and forth. 1208 01:05:14,260 --> 01:05:25,860 As you requested and left her a message so that we can meet as far as the flowers go and stuff. 1209 01:05:25,860 --> 01:05:30,860 But she texted me back a couple of days ago and said, I just went up and got all the flowers 1210 01:05:30,860 --> 01:05:31,860 and stuff out of there. 1211 01:05:31,860 --> 01:05:32,860 I think you should just let it go back to grass. 1212 01:05:32,860 --> 01:05:33,860 Oh, okay. 1213 01:05:33,860 --> 01:05:39,079 So I went up and I was kicking around with the holes where she took the plants out, 1214 01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:41,079 flattened it out a little bit. 1215 01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:46,179 And I was thinking, oh, it's probably not a bad idea. 1216 01:05:46,179 --> 01:05:53,230 You know, maybe put a couple of pots or something on each side of the sign. 1217 01:05:53,230 --> 01:05:57,389 So I suppose they'll come up tomorrow and dig. 1218 01:05:57,389 --> 01:05:58,389 I think it's tomorrow. 1219 01:05:58,389 --> 01:05:59,389 You're going to dig the holes. 1220 01:05:59,389 --> 01:06:00,389 Okay. 1221 01:06:00,389 --> 01:06:04,449 Let them set up and then put the finishing touches. 1222 01:06:04,449 --> 01:06:07,449 There's two concrete blocks, I think, in the ground now from the old sign. 1223 01:06:07,449 --> 01:06:08,449 Yeah, we're going to break them up. 1224 01:06:08,449 --> 01:06:09,449 Yeah, we're going to get them out of there. 1225 01:06:09,449 --> 01:06:10,449 Yeah. 1226 01:06:10,449 --> 01:06:17,019 I did email Pam back because she did talk about the flowers. 1227 01:06:17,019 --> 01:06:18,019 Yeah. 1228 01:06:18,019 --> 01:06:20,019 And she said it's probably not a good time to put anything in. 1229 01:06:20,019 --> 01:06:25,019 And I said that if in the spring we decide to put something, we'll think about it then. 1230 01:06:25,019 --> 01:06:27,019 Yeah, I have to agree with her as far as that goes. 1231 01:06:27,019 --> 01:06:31,019 I think kind of like just spreading the dirt. 1232 01:06:31,019 --> 01:06:35,019 There's plenty of soil there to do that and just kind of spread it out and then you guys 1233 01:06:35,019 --> 01:06:38,019 figure out who's going to plant them and who's going to take care of them. 1234 01:06:38,019 --> 01:06:40,019 We can plant on either end. 1235 01:06:40,019 --> 01:06:44,059 We don't want anything underneath the sign to, you know, to do anything. 1236 01:06:44,059 --> 01:06:46,059 But I think that's . . . 1237 01:06:46,059 --> 01:06:47,090 Yeah. 1238 01:06:47,090 --> 01:06:48,090 Potato is always good. 1239 01:06:48,090 --> 01:06:49,090 I got good potato field. 1240 01:06:49,090 --> 01:06:50,090 Okay. 1241 01:06:50,090 --> 01:06:51,409 Any other old business? 1242 01:06:51,409 --> 01:06:52,409 Well, I do have one. 1243 01:06:52,409 --> 01:07:09,539 The Bob Riggs is planning to participate in the Vermont Emergency Management Exercise 1244 01:07:09,539 --> 01:07:14,539 on October 22nd at the Town Garage. 1245 01:07:14,539 --> 01:07:19,539 And I guess he was making Dave . . . getting in touch with you, Dave, about some kind 1246 01:07:19,539 --> 01:07:20,539 of input. 1247 01:07:20,539 --> 01:07:30,289 And I can't be there on the 22nd, so if any other select board members could be there 1248 01:07:30,289 --> 01:07:36,340 on the 22nd at . . . don't know what time. 1249 01:07:36,340 --> 01:07:44,659 Saturday, I assume. 1250 01:07:44,659 --> 01:07:45,659 The 22nd. 1251 01:07:45,659 --> 01:07:55,269 The EOC at the firehouse. 1252 01:07:55,269 --> 01:08:00,880 I will make contact with Dave Tatro to get his, not just Stanford, it's Vermont Emergency 1253 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:06,260 Management Exercise. 1254 01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:07,260 Do you know about it? 1255 01:08:07,260 --> 01:08:08,260 What time or anything? 1256 01:08:08,260 --> 01:08:09,260 I don't know what time. 1257 01:08:09,260 --> 01:08:10,260 We'll find out. 1258 01:08:10,260 --> 01:08:11,389 Yes, we'll be meeting before the 22nd. 1259 01:08:11,389 --> 01:08:12,389 Okay. 1260 01:08:12,389 --> 01:08:13,389 Thank you. 1261 01:08:13,389 --> 01:08:15,510 Thank you. 1262 01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:18,939 Thank you. 1263 01:08:18,939 --> 01:08:19,939 We'll be meeting before the 22nd. 1264 01:08:19,939 --> 01:08:20,939 Let the board know and see if we can make it. 1265 01:08:20,939 --> 01:08:21,939 It's like a tabletop exercise from what I understand that, say, there's an oil tanker 1266 01:08:21,939 --> 01:08:22,939 that turned over up there and it blocked the road and then something happened down at 1267 01:08:22,939 --> 01:08:27,939 this end and . . . what are you going to do? 1268 01:08:27,939 --> 01:08:28,939 Call the state. 1269 01:08:28,939 --> 01:08:29,939 Well, they're already taking care of that, so who's going to take care of this? 1270 01:08:29,939 --> 01:08:30,939 And then somebody's house is on fire and . . . 1271 01:08:30,939 --> 01:08:31,939 Right. 1272 01:08:31,939 --> 01:08:32,939 Why? 1273 01:08:32,939 --> 01:08:33,939 Everything happening at once. 1274 01:08:33,939 --> 01:08:34,939 The importance. 1275 01:08:34,939 --> 01:08:35,939 We're in charge of the money. 1276 01:08:35,939 --> 01:08:36,939 That's it. 1277 01:08:36,939 --> 01:08:37,939 Thank you. 1278 01:08:37,939 --> 01:08:40,609 Thank you. 1279 01:08:40,609 --> 01:08:41,609 Thank you. 1280 01:08:41,609 --> 01:08:42,609 Thank you. 1281 01:08:42,609 --> 01:08:48,539 Thank you. 1282 01:08:48,539 --> 01:08:49,539 Thank you. 1283 01:08:49,539 --> 01:08:50,539 Thank you. 1284 01:08:50,539 --> 01:08:51,539 Thank you. 1285 01:08:51,539 --> 01:08:52,539 Thank you. 1286 01:08:52,539 --> 01:08:53,539 Thank you. 1287 01:08:53,539 --> 01:08:54,539 Thank you. 1288 01:08:54,539 --> 01:08:55,539 Thank you. 1289 01:08:55,539 --> 01:08:57,180 Thank you. 1290 01:08:57,180 --> 01:09:03,010 Thank you. 1291 01:09:03,010 --> 01:09:04,010 Yep. 1292 01:09:04,010 --> 01:09:06,260 . . 1293 01:09:06,260 --> 01:09:07,260 . . 1294 01:09:07,260 --> 01:09:08,260 Yes. 1295 01:09:08,260 --> 01:09:25,340 And I think there's Bob, Stephanie, some Stewart. 1296 01:09:25,340 --> 01:09:27,979 Their new business, Halloween Hours. 1297 01:09:27,979 --> 01:09:32,939 We forgot to put them on the agenda but we should set the Halloween Hours. 1298 01:09:32,939 --> 01:09:39,010 It's going to be here before we know it. 1299 01:09:39,010 --> 01:09:40,010 Will you send . . . 1300 01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:41,010 7.30 is last year and . . . 1301 01:09:41,010 --> 01:09:42,640 All Four in favor? 1302 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:43,640 . . . 1303 01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:44,829 Aye. 1304 01:09:44,829 --> 01:09:49,250 Do you think the firemen will be out for safety reasons? 1305 01:09:49,250 --> 01:09:51,920 I imagine they will if they're asked. 1306 01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:52,920 Yeah, let's ask them. 1307 01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:53,920 Would you ask them? 1308 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,140 Your trustee? 1309 01:09:56,140 --> 01:09:57,140 Thanks. 1310 01:09:57,140 --> 01:10:08,859 Yeah. 1311 01:10:08,859 --> 01:10:12,130 Yes. 1312 01:10:12,130 --> 01:10:14,130 Oh, another old business I had. 1313 01:10:14,130 --> 01:10:19,210 There used to be a time when there was a kid's parade. 1314 01:10:19,210 --> 01:10:29,979 It started at the firehouse, but... 1315 01:10:29,979 --> 01:10:30,979 Yep. 1316 01:10:30,979 --> 01:10:34,479 Old business. 1317 01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:35,479 Dogs. 1318 01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,479 There's one dog left to register. 1319 01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,739 I called today. 1320 01:10:39,739 --> 01:10:47,689 He talked to the owner, and the owner said he would be in 8 o'clock tomorrow morning 1321 01:10:47,689 --> 01:10:48,689 to register the dog. 1322 01:10:48,689 --> 01:10:49,689 I had a... 1323 01:10:49,689 --> 01:10:50,689 Wait, wait. 1324 01:10:50,689 --> 01:10:51,689 Sorry. 1325 01:10:51,689 --> 01:10:56,689 I said, Luke, if he's not there, Lori's going to call you tomorrow, and you're going to 1326 01:10:56,689 --> 01:10:57,689 ticket him. 1327 01:10:57,689 --> 01:10:58,689 Is there any way we could... 1328 01:10:58,689 --> 01:11:04,300 I know the hours of the office are kind of weird for some people. 1329 01:11:04,300 --> 01:11:09,300 Is there any way we could implement the registration on the website somehow? 1330 01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:11,300 Is there any way to do that? 1331 01:11:11,300 --> 01:11:12,300 Just fill it out? 1332 01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:19,300 Like, go on the website, push it in, and go through that instead of having to physically 1333 01:11:19,300 --> 01:11:20,300 come down? 1334 01:11:20,300 --> 01:11:25,300 I don't think they have to physically come down here as long as I have the rabies certificate 1335 01:11:25,300 --> 01:11:26,300 or spay-neuter certificate and the funds. 1336 01:11:26,300 --> 01:11:27,300 And some people can mail me a check. 1337 01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:28,300 They can drop it off in the box behind you. 1338 01:11:28,300 --> 01:11:29,300 They can call and pay with a credit card if they email me the forms. 1339 01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:30,300 And I just fill out the license and mail it back to them. 1340 01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:31,300 It really doesn't have to be in person. 1341 01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:32,300 Okay. 1342 01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:33,300 Thank you. 1343 01:11:33,300 --> 01:11:34,300 Thank you. 1344 01:11:34,300 --> 01:11:35,300 Thank you. 1345 01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:36,300 Thank you. 1346 01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:37,300 Thank you. 1347 01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:38,300 Thank you. 1348 01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:39,300 Thank you. 1349 01:11:39,300 --> 01:11:40,300 Thank you. 1350 01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:41,300 Thank you. 1351 01:11:41,300 --> 01:11:42,300 Thank you. 1352 01:11:42,300 --> 01:11:43,300 Thank you. 1353 01:11:43,300 --> 01:11:44,300 Thank you. 1354 01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:45,300 Thank you. 1355 01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:46,300 Thank you. 1356 01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:47,300 Thank you. 1357 01:11:47,300 --> 01:11:48,300 Thank you. 1358 01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:49,300 Thank you. 1359 01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:50,300 Thank you. 1360 01:11:50,300 --> 01:11:51,300 And I don't know, I just had a couple people asking, like, why don't they have 1361 01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:52,300 it on the website? 1362 01:11:52,300 --> 01:11:53,300 I'm like, I don't know. 1363 01:11:53,300 --> 01:11:54,300 Just bring it up. 1364 01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:55,300 Well, you can look at it, Ed. 1365 01:11:55,300 --> 01:11:56,300 You can look at it. 1366 01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:57,300 Jason does my website. 1367 01:11:57,300 --> 01:11:58,300 My employee applications are on there. 1368 01:11:58,300 --> 01:11:59,300 Just fill it out. 1369 01:11:59,300 --> 01:12:00,300 But once they do it on the website, it goes right to me. 1370 01:12:00,300 --> 01:12:01,300 Yeah, you can just partner up with a credit card company, too. 1371 01:12:01,300 --> 01:12:02,300 I've done that before. 1372 01:12:02,300 --> 01:12:03,300 Yes. 1373 01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:04,300 We have. 1374 01:12:04,300 --> 01:12:05,619 We just don't have the web capability of the credit card that they do. 1375 01:12:05,619 --> 01:12:06,619 Right. 1376 01:12:06,619 --> 01:12:07,619 Okay. 1377 01:12:07,619 --> 01:12:08,619 That's fine. 1378 01:12:08,619 --> 01:12:11,899 The web capability of the credit card. 1379 01:12:11,899 --> 01:12:14,899 Yes, the world we live in today, everything's going to be boop-boop. 1380 01:12:14,899 --> 01:12:16,899 Yeah, yeah. 1381 01:12:16,899 --> 01:12:18,899 We can drive around here. 1382 01:12:18,899 --> 01:12:22,100 Cash in a Venmo. 1383 01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:24,100 I don't know, it's like, swipe me a check. 1384 01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:26,100 No one writes a check anymore. 1385 01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:28,100 I feel like I'm too old. 1386 01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:30,100 I like cash. It's like, what's a check? 1387 01:12:30,100 --> 01:12:32,100 You don't write a check. 1388 01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:34,100 I don't like checks, I like cash. 1389 01:12:34,100 --> 01:12:36,189 That's my answer. 1390 01:12:36,189 --> 01:12:37,189 What's that? 1391 01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:38,189 Magazine. 1392 01:12:38,189 --> 01:12:40,479 There's a news update. 1393 01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,949 Okay. 1394 01:12:43,949 --> 01:12:46,340 We're going to stop and send those duplicates. 1395 01:12:46,340 --> 01:12:49,810 Oh, see you soon. 1396 01:12:49,810 --> 01:12:59,239 And last week, I think it was last week, Pete Greenbush brought up about the sidewalk. 1397 01:12:59,239 --> 01:13:08,689 And so Dave got in touch with the state and the state said it's back to the town if we want to do anything with the sidewalk. 1398 01:13:08,689 --> 01:13:13,689 Now I know that sidewalk hasn't been touched probably in 50 years. 1399 01:13:13,689 --> 01:13:21,489 And I like the suggestion you gave last week, or you and somebody gave last week. 1400 01:13:21,489 --> 01:13:26,699 Once you ain't going to see it. 1401 01:13:26,699 --> 01:13:27,699 Right. 1402 01:13:27,699 --> 01:13:30,699 And there's not much sidewalk. Most of it's grass anyway. 1403 01:13:30,699 --> 01:13:34,760 So like a little shallow dip, a couple shovelfuls. 1404 01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,760 Put it on the city list next year. 1405 01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:38,760 It's not up to the state. 1406 01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,560 It is what it is. 1407 01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,560 Do you want to know what the rules and laws were at the time? 1408 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:45,560 Sure. 1409 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:46,560 Oh, yeah. 1410 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,560 The rules and laws change over time. 1411 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,560 It could have reverted right back to them. 1412 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,560 It was abandoned a long time ago. 1413 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:53,560 Yeah. 1414 01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:54,560 Maybe the state will write us one. 1415 01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,659 It's yours now. 1416 01:13:56,659 --> 01:14:00,659 But they still have, they're still saying, well, we have a right of way to go take it out. 1417 01:14:00,659 --> 01:14:01,659 Yeah. 1418 01:14:01,659 --> 01:14:03,909 Come and get it. 1419 01:14:03,909 --> 01:14:04,909 Yeah, exactly. 1420 01:14:04,909 --> 01:14:07,039 Maybe you can make an argument with the guy. 1421 01:14:07,039 --> 01:14:10,100 Bulldoze it up with the loader and go over there or something. 1422 01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:12,100 Nancy, if you're about done, I have, I do have a question. 1423 01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:13,100 Or hit it with. 1424 01:14:13,100 --> 01:14:14,100 I would like to have. 1425 01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:16,100 You've been talking about evasion. 1426 01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:17,100 No. 1427 01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:18,100 I would like to have a little town hall. 1428 01:14:18,100 --> 01:14:19,100 Anywhere. 1429 01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:20,100 Yeah. 1430 01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:21,100 And have some little stops along the way. 1431 01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:22,100 I would like that. 1432 01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:23,100 Yeah. 1433 01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:24,100 That would look nice. 1434 01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:25,100 Yeah. 1435 01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:26,100 Kind of like a Wilmington, but, you know, not as busy. 1436 01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:27,100 What do you want? 1437 01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:28,100 So, a sidewalk going all the way with some stores on the way, you know. 1438 01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:29,100 Wow. 1439 01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:30,100 I would love that. 1440 01:14:30,100 --> 01:14:31,100 Yeah. 1441 01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:32,100 You can see it in that little picture up there where it actually used to be. 1442 01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:33,100 Yeah. 1443 01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:34,100 Right above the water. 1444 01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:35,100 Yeah. 1445 01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:36,100 What about a cart and buggy path? 1446 01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:37,100 Okay. 1447 01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:46,100 And then there was another email I sent to everybody just for your information from 1448 01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:52,100 Peter Greenbush after the planning commission meeting on Monday night. 1449 01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:57,899 Peter asked, during last night's planning commission meeting, I brought up the question regarding 1450 01:14:57,899 --> 01:15:02,899 the alternates, Natalie O'Neil, alternate roles and responsibilities. 1451 01:15:02,899 --> 01:15:08,899 I spent some time with Lisa trying to locate Vermont statues and laws that relate to an 1452 01:15:08,899 --> 01:15:13,899 alternate with some feeling that their role is a more permanent role following a current 1453 01:15:13,899 --> 01:15:15,899 incumbent's inability to be able to continue a permanent role. 1454 01:15:15,899 --> 01:15:22,260 Since the planning commission is a select board appointed, I am looking for the board 1455 01:15:22,260 --> 01:15:28,119 to write down and make those specific roles and responsibilities official on paper so that 1456 01:15:28,119 --> 01:15:32,720 if there is any confusion moving forward, we have documentation. 1457 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:37,140 If this needs full board approval, can this please be added to the select board meeting 1458 01:15:37,140 --> 01:15:38,140 Thursday night? 1459 01:15:38,140 --> 01:15:40,550 Thank you, Peter. 1460 01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:45,550 So, then I reached out to the LCT with Peter's question. 1461 01:15:45,550 --> 01:15:47,409 And I said, okay. 1462 01:15:47,409 --> 01:15:52,409 And the LCT did get back promptly. 1463 01:15:52,409 --> 01:15:57,250 And I understand, Lisa, why it's hard to find because those laws aren't easy to find stuff. 1464 01:15:57,250 --> 01:16:15,180 But here's the entirety of state law regarding alternates to local land use boards. 1465 01:16:15,180 --> 01:16:21,020 The municipal legislative body may appoint alternates to a planning commission, a board 1466 01:16:21,020 --> 01:16:26,220 of adjustment or development review board for a term to be determined by the legislative 1467 01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:28,319 body. 1468 01:16:28,319 --> 01:16:33,039 Alternates may be assigned by the legislative body to serve on the planning commission, 1469 01:16:33,039 --> 01:16:38,520 the board of adjustment or the DRB in situations when one or more members of the board are 1470 01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:42,539 disqualified or otherwise unable to serve. 1471 01:16:42,539 --> 01:16:50,739 And the above language comes from 24117, chapter 10. 1472 01:16:50,739 --> 01:16:53,479 And it's entitled appropriate municipal panels. 1473 01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:58,119 However, in there, it just says, may be a board of adjustment or development review 1474 01:16:58,119 --> 01:16:59,350 board. 1475 01:16:59,350 --> 01:17:08,460 The alternate serves on the board when performing development review. 1476 01:17:08,460 --> 01:17:11,079 They don't sit in on your regular meetings. 1477 01:17:11,079 --> 01:17:19,119 Just when the planning commission has to review a site plan or any of that. 1478 01:17:19,119 --> 01:17:24,520 Or they have to cross, it's like a quasi-judicial board with the planning commission. 1479 01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,520 I don't think you've ever had any. 1480 01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:27,520 Yeah. 1481 01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:28,520 We've had one. 1482 01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:29,600 You've had one? 1483 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:30,600 Okay. 1484 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:31,600 That's where the alternate would sit in. 1485 01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:32,600 But at a regular meeting, no. 1486 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:46,600 Would the alternate, so the question sent to VLT, would the alternate step in just to 1487 01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:51,460 make a quorum for a meeting or would the alternate step in the meeting just to make up the nine 1488 01:17:51,460 --> 01:17:52,460 member board? 1489 01:17:52,460 --> 01:17:53,720 No. 1490 01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:59,359 An alternate would only step in to fill in for a permanent member when a hearing application 1491 01:17:59,359 --> 01:18:00,680 for development review. 1492 01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:01,680 For example. 1493 01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:02,680 Okay. 1494 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:08,590 For example, zoning hearings, site plans, subdivision, whenever you have any of those. 1495 01:18:08,590 --> 01:18:13,060 Can you clarify the duties, responsibilities of an alternate? 1496 01:18:13,060 --> 01:18:14,100 Same thing. 1497 01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:19,520 Just when there's a judicial hearing. 1498 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,619 Would they have the same voting ability as an absent member? 1499 01:18:22,619 --> 01:18:24,260 Yes, they would. 1500 01:18:24,260 --> 01:18:31,600 And like Jim said, if they're sitting in on a hearing, they sit in on the whole hearing. 1501 01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,000 Your regular board member comes back. 1502 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:34,000 No, they don't. 1503 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:38,899 They come back in there. 1504 01:18:38,899 --> 01:18:46,909 No, I meant that. 1505 01:18:46,909 --> 01:18:47,909 Yes. 1506 01:18:47,909 --> 01:18:50,710 Can the alternate participate in discussions and vote if there's a quorum present? 1507 01:18:50,710 --> 01:18:54,689 Yes. 1508 01:18:54,689 --> 01:19:00,050 Same rights and responsibilities as a permanent member when they're filling in for on this 1509 01:19:00,050 --> 01:19:01,050 hearing. 1510 01:19:01,050 --> 01:19:02,050 Not at a meeting. 1511 01:19:02,050 --> 01:19:04,199 Okay. 1512 01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:09,199 Are the responsibilities of an alternate specified in statute? 1513 01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:10,199 Yes. 1514 01:19:10,199 --> 01:19:11,199 That one I just gave you there. 1515 01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:11,840 They are in the sense that the responsibility of permanent members who are alternate is 1516 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:13,189 not specified in statute. 1517 01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:14,189 Yes. 1518 01:19:14,189 --> 01:19:15,189 That one I just gave you there. 1519 01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:16,189 They are in the sense that the responsibility of permanent members who are alternate is 1520 01:19:16,189 --> 01:19:18,069 filling in for are specified in statute. 1521 01:19:18,069 --> 01:19:33,409 And then if there is a vacancy in the planning commission, the alternate does not automatically 1522 01:19:33,409 --> 01:19:34,409 step up. 1523 01:19:34,409 --> 01:19:39,409 We would go through the process of saying there's a vacancy and then we would appoint 1524 01:19:39,409 --> 01:19:40,409 them to the planning commission. 1525 01:19:40,409 --> 01:19:41,409 So I guess that answered his questions I hope. 1526 01:19:41,409 --> 01:19:48,039 I don't know if you can answer this, but if there is not a vacancy, then it's a permanent 1527 01:19:48,039 --> 01:19:49,039 member. 1528 01:19:49,039 --> 01:19:55,619 This is not a... 1529 01:19:55,619 --> 01:19:57,460 No. 1530 01:19:57,460 --> 01:19:58,460 You don't have a meeting. 1531 01:19:58,460 --> 01:19:59,460 This is different than what I read. 1532 01:19:59,460 --> 01:20:00,460 So if it's a hearing. 1533 01:20:00,460 --> 01:20:01,460 If it's a hearing, they can. 1534 01:20:01,460 --> 01:20:03,220 Right. 1535 01:20:03,220 --> 01:20:04,220 But not an average meeting. 1536 01:20:04,220 --> 01:20:05,220 But not an average meeting. 1537 01:20:05,220 --> 01:20:06,510 Is Natalie the only alternate? 1538 01:20:06,510 --> 01:20:07,510 Or is there more than one alternate? 1539 01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:08,510 Just Natalie. 1540 01:20:08,510 --> 01:20:09,510 Just Natalie. 1541 01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:10,510 And it did say... 1542 01:20:10,510 --> 01:20:11,510 If you want to serve on the board, I'll step down on the alternate. 1543 01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:12,510 And it just said too that if a hearing is coming up, you know your permanent member 1544 01:20:12,510 --> 01:20:13,510 won't be there for the hearing, the alternate's not going to be there for the hearing. 1545 01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:14,510 Okay. 1546 01:20:14,510 --> 01:20:15,510 Okay. 1547 01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:16,510 Okay. 1548 01:20:16,510 --> 01:20:17,539 Okay. 1549 01:20:17,539 --> 01:20:18,539 Okay. 1550 01:20:18,539 --> 01:20:19,539 Okay. 1551 01:20:19,539 --> 01:20:20,539 Okay. 1552 01:20:20,539 --> 01:20:21,539 Okay. 1553 01:20:21,539 --> 01:20:22,539 Okay. 1554 01:20:22,539 --> 01:20:23,539 Okay. 1555 01:20:23,539 --> 01:20:24,539 Okay. 1556 01:20:24,539 --> 01:20:25,539 Okay. 1557 01:20:25,659 --> 01:20:26,659 At a hearing, too, it should be passed. 1558 01:20:26,659 --> 01:20:27,659 So let it go? 1559 01:20:27,659 --> 01:20:28,659 Out, out of theille. 1560 01:20:28,659 --> 01:20:29,659 Okay. 1561 01:20:29,659 --> 01:20:30,659 Do we have a doctor? 1562 01:20:30,659 --> 01:20:31,659 That'll lighten up the situation for the hearing. 1563 01:20:31,659 --> 01:20:32,659 Okay. 1564 01:20:32,659 --> 01:20:33,659 Okay. 1565 01:20:33,659 --> 01:20:34,659 Okay. 1566 01:20:34,659 --> 01:20:35,659 Are you choosing the intra Hudders? 1567 01:20:35,659 --> 01:20:36,659 Uh, no. 1568 01:20:36,659 --> 01:20:37,659 Okay. 1569 01:20:37,659 --> 01:20:48,869 So, Mark, maybe this should be picked by alphabetical order or their name drawn out 1570 01:20:48,869 --> 01:20:49,869 of a hat... 1571 01:20:49,869 --> 01:20:54,869 Don't just pick Dave Teacher because you know he's going to vote yes on this or... 1572 01:20:54,869 --> 01:20:55,869 Oh, you're not an alternate? 1573 01:20:55,869 --> 01:20:59,869 that would be a large time... 1574 01:20:59,869 --> 01:21:01,189 I could be an alternate. 1575 01:21:01,189 --> 01:21:02,189 If you want. 1576 01:21:02,189 --> 01:21:11,989 but is it only if a quorum is needed, or if you've got 7 out of 9, can she still serve up to 9? 1577 01:21:11,989 --> 01:21:16,489 How does it work? Does it only work if a quorum is needed, or any? 1578 01:21:16,489 --> 01:21:19,390 I think it's only if the quorum is needed. I don't think it's like that. 1579 01:21:19,390 --> 01:21:22,520 Because if you have a quorum, why do you need an alternate? 1580 01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:30,720 What you were just reading is... I read it too, and it's like, that's not the way I interpret it. 1581 01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,720 Did we send you this? We didn't send it out. 1582 01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:41,720 No, I looked it up on... there's this funny thing I got Google, and I can look at the Vermont laws and made it myself. 1583 01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:42,720 You're a smartass. 1584 01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:43,720 No! 1585 01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:47,720 But the laws are all over the place. 1586 01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,720 I didn't read that. I read something totally different. 1587 01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:59,069 Well, this is from Garrett, the Senior Staff Attorney with VLCT. 1588 01:21:59,069 --> 01:22:01,069 Can I get a comment? 1589 01:22:01,069 --> 01:22:02,069 Got it. 1590 01:22:02,069 --> 01:22:03,069 Yes. 1591 01:22:03,069 --> 01:22:04,069 I'd like one, too. 1592 01:22:04,069 --> 01:22:05,069 I sent it to you. 1593 01:22:05,069 --> 01:22:06,069 You guys all know. 1594 01:22:06,069 --> 01:22:07,069 I didn't see it. 1595 01:22:07,069 --> 01:22:08,069 Open your email. 1596 01:22:08,069 --> 01:22:09,069 Huh? 1597 01:22:09,069 --> 01:22:10,069 So how do we... 1598 01:22:10,069 --> 01:22:11,069 Oh, you're giving it right back now. 1599 01:22:11,069 --> 01:22:12,069 ... send it to Lisa? 1600 01:22:12,069 --> 01:22:17,069 You and I sent a letter to them at the same time. I didn't know you were doing it. 1601 01:22:17,069 --> 01:22:18,069 I'm sorry. 1602 01:22:18,069 --> 01:22:22,069 How, if Dave wants to be the alternate, would you go about doing that? 1603 01:22:22,069 --> 01:22:24,069 We would have to post the position. 1604 01:22:24,069 --> 01:22:28,069 He'd have to resign, because you're a full board member, right? You'd have to resign. 1605 01:22:28,069 --> 01:22:30,069 Unless there's an issue. 1606 01:22:30,069 --> 01:22:35,550 Usually, in the history of what we've done, it's first come, first served. 1607 01:22:35,550 --> 01:22:37,550 So I don't see you wasting our time. 1608 01:22:37,550 --> 01:22:41,550 But, nevertheless, if we have to do it the right way, I don't have a problem with that. 1609 01:22:41,550 --> 01:22:46,550 And if there's some person that wants to come up and challenge that, that's fine. 1610 01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:51,550 But it seems to me that every board we've ever had, we get it open, we get letters. 1611 01:22:51,550 --> 01:22:54,550 Say we get three letters, there's one open in the first letter. 1612 01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:56,550 We usually say, okay, we're going to try that one. 1613 01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:58,550 And then if that doesn't work out, we move on. 1614 01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:59,550 But, I mean, I... 1615 01:22:59,550 --> 01:23:04,550 It seems like it was just procedure other than that. 1616 01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:06,550 It sounds like a great idea. 1617 01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:08,550 Dave's saying, wait, I have time anyways. 1618 01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:11,550 And she's interested in getting that. 1619 01:23:11,550 --> 01:23:12,550 She wants to get involved. 1620 01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:14,550 I don't see the problem. 1621 01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:16,550 We did appoint her alternate. 1622 01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:20,550 She could still come to the meeting and make her opinion known. 1623 01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:22,550 But it's just like a visit. 1624 01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:24,550 She's just in the audience. 1625 01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:26,550 Just like a visitor, yeah. 1626 01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:28,550 We have a pretty much open forum. 1627 01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:30,550 I just have a question. 1628 01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:35,649 Obviously, that's my question. 1629 01:23:35,649 --> 01:23:36,649 Oh, another... 1630 01:23:36,649 --> 01:23:48,180 Okay, so we just had the conversation about collecting job applications, like a pool of applicants. 1631 01:23:48,180 --> 01:23:51,239 Wouldn't this kind of be a similar thing? 1632 01:23:51,239 --> 01:23:53,239 So wouldn't her application... 1633 01:23:53,239 --> 01:23:57,239 Or if someone else goes in, would you then have a pool of applicants? 1634 01:23:57,239 --> 01:24:00,239 Or do you list new and disregard the plan? 1635 01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:01,239 I think that... 1636 01:24:01,239 --> 01:24:02,239 I understand what you're saying. 1637 01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:03,460 And I also know that there is not... 1638 01:24:03,460 --> 01:24:04,460 Well, maybe there is on the website, asking for people to join boards. 1639 01:24:04,460 --> 01:24:05,460 It's in the minutes. 1640 01:24:05,460 --> 01:24:06,460 So there is. 1641 01:24:06,460 --> 01:24:07,460 That is posted also. 1642 01:24:07,460 --> 01:24:08,460 And she's got a point that we... 1643 01:24:08,460 --> 01:24:09,460 Not... 1644 01:24:09,460 --> 01:24:10,460 But again, same thing with the employment. 1645 01:24:10,460 --> 01:24:11,460 We might not take that one person that applies. 1646 01:24:11,460 --> 01:24:12,460 For any reason. 1647 01:24:12,460 --> 01:24:13,460 We don't know why. 1648 01:24:13,460 --> 01:24:14,460 It could be that person... 1649 01:24:14,460 --> 01:24:15,460 I don't know. 1650 01:24:15,460 --> 01:24:16,460 I don't know. 1651 01:24:16,460 --> 01:24:17,460 I don't know. 1652 01:24:17,460 --> 01:24:18,460 I don't know. 1653 01:24:18,460 --> 01:24:19,460 I don't know. 1654 01:24:19,460 --> 01:24:20,460 I don't know. 1655 01:24:20,460 --> 01:24:21,659 I don't know. 1656 01:24:21,659 --> 01:24:22,659 I don't know. 1657 01:24:22,659 --> 01:24:23,659 I don't know. 1658 01:24:23,659 --> 01:24:24,659 I don't know. 1659 01:24:24,659 --> 01:24:25,659 I don't know. 1660 01:24:25,659 --> 01:24:26,659 I don't know. 1661 01:24:26,659 --> 01:24:27,659 I don't know. 1662 01:24:27,659 --> 01:24:40,779 It could be that a person isn't fit for the position. 1663 01:24:40,779 --> 01:24:42,869 You know? 1664 01:24:42,869 --> 01:24:46,750 Some reason. 1665 01:24:46,750 --> 01:24:47,750 But yeah, I think that every... 1666 01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:52,500 We appointed anyone. 1667 01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:58,500 That first letter, Jessica, that this is going to happen. 1668 01:24:58,500 --> 01:25:01,500 I mean, she's a letterman. 1669 01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:02,500 Immediately. 1670 01:25:02,500 --> 01:25:03,500 And I'm not sure... 1671 01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:04,500 Yeah. 1672 01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:05,500 Once itみたい to just trigger... 1673 01:25:05,500 --> 01:25:06,500 Did we have anybody else apply for jobs? 1674 01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:08,220 Did we keep some applications or interests? 1675 01:25:08,220 --> 01:25:09,460 Is that all we wanted to know? 1676 01:25:09,460 --> 01:25:12,659 I mean, I don't think they'd be willing to do that 1677 01:25:12,659 --> 01:25:16,569 if we need to cover some kind of . 1678 01:25:16,569 --> 01:25:17,649 Well, that's what I'm saying. 1679 01:25:17,649 --> 01:25:21,050 Personally, if that's the way we have to go, that's fine. 1680 01:25:21,050 --> 01:25:23,750 If it isn't, and I don't know the answer, 1681 01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:25,829 also, I don't know. 1682 01:25:25,829 --> 01:25:27,229 I didn't know any of this. 1683 01:25:27,229 --> 01:25:28,750 No, but I'm saying. 1684 01:25:28,750 --> 01:25:29,789 Other issues. 1685 01:25:29,789 --> 01:25:31,310 I always thought that the slut board 1686 01:25:31,310 --> 01:25:33,909 could appoint anybody anytime you want. 1687 01:25:33,909 --> 01:25:35,810 I didn't think we had to post it. 1688 01:25:35,810 --> 01:25:37,029 Well, if we do have to. 1689 01:25:37,029 --> 01:25:38,369 Well, I don't know if we have to, 1690 01:25:38,369 --> 01:25:40,590 but we've always had just to give it. 1691 01:25:40,590 --> 01:25:42,909 I didn't read anything in there that said we have to post it. 1692 01:25:42,909 --> 01:25:44,270 This isn't a new position now. 1693 01:25:44,270 --> 01:25:47,029 No, it just said post as you want. 1694 01:25:47,029 --> 01:25:48,470 Just be switching positions. 1695 01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:51,350 Point as you would, or something. 1696 01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:53,210 I don't even think you have to post it. 1697 01:25:53,210 --> 01:25:54,409 You just switch it. 1698 01:25:54,409 --> 01:25:56,789 Yeah, she's just gonna fill the board 1699 01:25:56,789 --> 01:25:58,529 on the day it's gonna create it. 1700 01:25:58,529 --> 01:26:00,449 I think it's in the best interest 1701 01:26:00,449 --> 01:26:04,189 to make sure somebody's there to switch positions. 1702 01:26:04,189 --> 01:26:06,529 What else I'm saying? 1703 01:26:06,529 --> 01:26:09,529 If we don't have to go through the process. 1704 01:26:09,529 --> 01:26:10,369 I don't think we do, 1705 01:26:10,369 --> 01:26:12,210 because there's only one. 1706 01:26:12,210 --> 01:26:13,710 To me, there would be only one reason 1707 01:26:13,710 --> 01:26:15,369 why this becomes an issue, 1708 01:26:15,369 --> 01:26:16,869 and I'm not gonna bring that up. 1709 01:26:16,869 --> 01:26:17,710 You resigned. 1710 01:26:17,710 --> 01:26:18,550 You appointed her. 1711 01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:19,470 I've never been the alternate. 1712 01:26:19,470 --> 01:26:20,590 You resigned? 1713 01:26:20,590 --> 01:26:21,430 I'm not. 1714 01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:22,270 Sure. 1715 01:26:22,270 --> 01:26:24,069 What's the point of an alternate? 1716 01:26:24,069 --> 01:26:24,909 They just resigned, 1717 01:26:24,909 --> 01:26:27,050 and so I make a motion to appoint Natalie 1718 01:26:27,050 --> 01:26:28,149 to the open seat. 1719 01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:29,470 She's already the alternate. 1720 01:26:29,470 --> 01:26:33,250 If we go back to when my son was on the planning board, 1721 01:26:33,250 --> 01:26:35,649 we had Dan Patton's daughter as an alternate. 1722 01:26:35,649 --> 01:26:37,310 That's exactly what we said. 1723 01:26:37,310 --> 01:26:38,149 Right here. 1724 01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:39,489 The alternate is so. 1725 01:26:39,489 --> 01:26:40,210 There's a point. 1726 01:26:40,210 --> 01:26:41,050 There's a position. 1727 01:26:41,050 --> 01:26:42,630 They move right in. 1728 01:26:42,630 --> 01:26:43,470 Yeah. 1729 01:26:43,470 --> 01:26:44,310 Got a motion. 1730 01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:46,710 The sweat board would need to change their status 1731 01:26:46,710 --> 01:26:48,590 from alternate to permanent member 1732 01:26:48,590 --> 01:26:50,130 through their appointment process. 1733 01:26:50,130 --> 01:26:51,829 How do we appoint people? 1734 01:26:51,829 --> 01:26:53,770 So Dave is resigning. 1735 01:26:53,770 --> 01:26:54,609 Yeah. 1736 01:26:54,609 --> 01:26:55,449 Can you give Laurie a letter? 1737 01:26:55,449 --> 01:26:56,289 I resigned. 1738 01:26:56,289 --> 01:26:57,109 Sure, yeah. 1739 01:26:57,109 --> 01:26:58,949 Todd, it's on our. 1740 01:26:58,949 --> 01:27:00,409 It's on our, yeah. 1741 01:27:00,409 --> 01:27:01,250 It's verbal. 1742 01:27:01,250 --> 01:27:02,750 Do you guys need it? 1743 01:27:02,750 --> 01:27:06,149 Do you need somebody for the meeting that's coming up next week? 1744 01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:08,750 This is what, I don't wanna make it sound 1745 01:27:08,750 --> 01:27:10,050 like we're pulling a fast one here. 1746 01:27:10,050 --> 01:27:13,590 We have an alternate, and we have a person that's already on. 1747 01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:18,149 All we're doing is this person worked for the town, said snow season's gonna be tough. 1748 01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:20,869 All we're doing is this, we're not pulling a fast one. 1749 01:27:20,869 --> 01:27:23,510 These people were already appointed by us. 1750 01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:26,069 It's not someone that we just pulled in the door here today. 1751 01:27:26,069 --> 01:27:29,170 So I make a motion to accept Dave's resignation and 1752 01:27:29,170 --> 01:27:33,090 appoint Natalie to the open seat that she's already an alternate. 1753 01:27:33,090 --> 01:27:34,850 And make Dave the alternate. 1754 01:27:34,850 --> 01:27:37,170 And make Dave the alternate. 1755 01:27:37,170 --> 01:27:37,970 Yes. 1756 01:27:37,970 --> 01:27:39,350 If there's a hearing, you'll serve. 1757 01:27:40,050 --> 01:27:40,649 Yeah. 1758 01:27:40,649 --> 01:27:41,310 Yeah. 1759 01:27:41,310 --> 01:27:41,810 Second. 1760 01:27:41,810 --> 01:27:44,119 I'll still come to the plane. 1761 01:27:44,119 --> 01:27:45,020 Second. 1762 01:27:45,020 --> 01:27:46,439 All in favor? 1763 01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:46,939 Aye. 1764 01:27:46,939 --> 01:27:48,739 As long as we follow the process, I mean. 1765 01:27:48,739 --> 01:27:50,239 Yeah, maybe she's already the alternate. 1766 01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:51,260 Well, we learned that. 1767 01:27:51,260 --> 01:27:54,359 I mean, didn't know how that worked. 1768 01:27:54,359 --> 01:27:56,300 Did you know how it worked, Lisa, or? 1769 01:27:56,300 --> 01:28:00,220 I thought that was how it worked, but not what you read about the alternate. 1770 01:28:00,220 --> 01:28:03,399 I read, like Jim, I read something different also online. 1771 01:28:03,399 --> 01:28:04,640 What was it? 1772 01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:10,840 That the alternate, if we didn't have a forum, she would sit in at a meeting. 1773 01:28:11,039 --> 01:28:14,439 And have all the same rights as a board member. 1774 01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:18,000 And they know the quasi-judicial part, so that's- 1775 01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:19,500 It didn't even mention that. 1776 01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:20,920 Right, it just, I've never heard that before. 1777 01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:21,539 I don't understand it. 1778 01:28:21,539 --> 01:28:22,699 Yeah, yeah. 1779 01:28:22,699 --> 01:28:23,899 Well, that's- 1780 01:28:23,899 --> 01:28:24,399 That's why- 1781 01:28:24,399 --> 01:28:24,979 Concerns- 1782 01:28:24,979 --> 01:28:26,859 That's all we- 1783 01:28:26,859 --> 01:28:30,079 We look something up and then the VLTC comes up with something else. 1784 01:28:30,079 --> 01:28:30,579 Right. 1785 01:28:30,579 --> 01:28:32,800 And that's happened before, so it's concerning. 1786 01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:37,800 But I'm on the Alkmaul board, and the alternate sits in if we need a quorum. 1787 01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:39,479 And it's not part of- 1788 01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:40,239 To fill it in. 1789 01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:40,880 Exactly. Which makes sense. 1790 01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:40,920 Which makes sense. Which makes sense. 1791 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:41,020 Which makes sense. 1792 01:28:41,039 --> 01:28:41,600 Which makes sense. 1793 01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:42,479 Yeah. 1794 01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:43,500 I feel like she should. 1795 01:28:43,500 --> 01:28:44,140 To waste your time. 1796 01:28:44,140 --> 01:28:55,079 The one thing that I, the one thing that I've realized by looking, like, trying to get really savvy on the different, the state statutes and the different, you know, is that you have to almost know exactly what it is you're looking for. 1797 01:28:55,079 --> 01:29:03,140 Because the thing that you're asking about, like, so, in essence, he could have assumed you simply meant quasi-judicial, and then that's what comes. 1798 01:29:03,140 --> 01:29:10,520 And there could be this whole other set of, you know, guidelines that is just for, oh, an open meeting. 1799 01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:11,800 Because that's what I was looking at. 1800 01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:13,500 We're talking about looking at an open meeting. 1801 01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:15,739 Open meeting has different guidelines. 1802 01:29:16,060 --> 01:29:16,220 Right. 1803 01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:18,279 For alternates and quorums. 1804 01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:27,159 So, I think that's the other piece, is, like, what is the question you're actually asking, and then that specific answer will be in a different statute, is what I found. 1805 01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:30,670 So, we have a second. 1806 01:29:31,149 --> 01:29:32,069 Did we go all the way? 1807 01:29:32,069 --> 01:29:32,430 We did. 1808 01:29:32,909 --> 01:29:33,149 Good. 1809 01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:34,229 I didn't hear it. 1810 01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:35,979 Go on. 1811 01:29:36,180 --> 01:29:38,460 Question in a second. 1812 01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:57,670 I'm a yes, if rule's here. 1813 01:29:58,090 --> 01:30:12,989 Just a meeting. 1814 01:30:12,989 --> 01:31:03,100 Our last. 1815 01:31:03,100 --> 01:31:19,260 Commission, because we created our own little sidebar meeting, if you remember. 1816 01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:23,319 There was three of us, me and Lisa and Marvin. 1817 01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:28,600 And we met a few times outside this forum. 1818 01:31:29,340 --> 01:31:36,500 And you had mentioned to me once that that was technically an open meeting violation. 1819 01:31:37,170 --> 01:31:41,689 I couldn't find anywhere where that was, because no decisions were made. 1820 01:31:41,689 --> 01:31:43,930 It was just the same thing. 1821 01:31:43,949 --> 01:31:49,430 It was just the same thing as, like, the you and Mike and somebody else meet here, and you're signing checks or something like that. 1822 01:31:49,529 --> 01:31:50,989 I mean, it's not a work session. 1823 01:31:51,390 --> 01:32:02,369 So, can I have some sort of, we're planning on doing this again with a group of at least four of us to do, to start the bylaws again. 1824 01:32:03,300 --> 01:32:07,039 And I don't want to do anything to where it creates any kind of friction. 1825 01:32:07,260 --> 01:32:09,100 Or they give notices to the meeting. 1826 01:32:09,739 --> 01:32:10,680 Just can't have a quorum. 1827 01:32:10,979 --> 01:32:13,520 I think you have to post it. 1828 01:32:13,979 --> 01:32:16,659 And allow a public to attend. 1829 01:32:18,140 --> 01:32:18,579 Maybe. 1830 01:32:18,699 --> 01:32:19,579 And you have a meeting. 1831 01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:21,420 Even for a work session? 1832 01:32:22,420 --> 01:32:24,460 I always thought it was like a work session. 1833 01:32:25,460 --> 01:32:26,359 Did we work? 1834 01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:28,159 Yeah, I think we posted our work. 1835 01:32:28,539 --> 01:32:29,539 One week. 1836 01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,460 We're supposed to put out in the office saying there's a session going on. 1837 01:32:33,859 --> 01:32:37,760 We didn't make any decisions, Adam, because we brought them back to the board. 1838 01:32:38,500 --> 01:32:44,180 There's a difference between a work session and actual, like, something that's actually a meeting. 1839 01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:55,239 You can get together and brainstorm and draft a plan, but then if you take it to the next step and actually create something and say, this is the thing, that's a different story. 1840 01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,159 I was just trying to keep away from 5G and being there. 1841 01:32:59,020 --> 01:33:03,100 No, we would never do a quorum because that's an open meeting violation. 1842 01:33:03,380 --> 01:33:06,840 But as far as a work session down at the bar. 1843 01:33:07,899 --> 01:33:10,720 I don't even believe that is an open meeting violation. 1844 01:33:11,500 --> 01:33:14,180 It's no different than when Lori says to. 1845 01:33:14,579 --> 01:33:17,979 Hey, we have to meet the lawyer. 1846 01:33:18,340 --> 01:33:20,100 What time is good for you guys? 1847 01:33:21,119 --> 01:33:27,460 8 o'clock, 2 o'clock, whatever it is, and we say, hey, look, the best we can do is 1 o'clock on Tuesday. 1848 01:33:27,579 --> 01:33:29,079 Everybody get up. All in favor? 1849 01:33:29,119 --> 01:33:31,180 Yeah, we do that all by email. 1850 01:33:32,779 --> 01:33:34,159 That's not a meeting. 1851 01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:42,100 The minute we say, OK, we look at we by email, we vote that we're going to appoint Dave to do something. 1852 01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:44,380 That's a meeting. That's a no-no. 1853 01:33:44,579 --> 01:33:44,779 Right. 1854 01:33:44,779 --> 01:33:45,260 In the same. 1855 01:33:45,359 --> 01:33:52,359 Thing we you all go over my house tomorrow for beer, by the way, I drink course right now and you come on. 1856 01:33:52,359 --> 01:33:53,220 That was a little funny. 1857 01:33:53,220 --> 01:33:58,119 So, but you come over, we all talk and we're having a good time. 1858 01:33:58,119 --> 01:34:01,279 We can't say, hey, listen, next meeting, this is what we're going to do. 1859 01:34:01,279 --> 01:34:04,050 We're going to all get up on the gym and we're going to get rid of them. 1860 01:34:04,430 --> 01:34:05,510 Even like group talks. 1861 01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:06,949 Do you want to talk about that again? 1862 01:34:07,430 --> 01:34:13,329 But can all wards meeting out there that we didn't even warn that. 1863 01:34:13,489 --> 01:34:16,329 No, it's a we've had work sessions with all of us. 1864 01:34:16,329 --> 01:34:26,729 You can sit down and you can talk, you know, I don't, if you, I believe they look up over me and law, it's not a meeting. 1865 01:34:26,729 --> 01:34:29,409 There's no, there's no, you can not make any decision. 1866 01:34:29,409 --> 01:34:32,149 You can have no votes, you can have no motions. 1867 01:34:32,369 --> 01:34:34,529 You sit down and say, this is what we all found. 1868 01:34:36,939 --> 01:34:42,939 Finding out, you cannot exclude if someone from the public hears that you're gathering and says, wait, I want to be there too. 1869 01:34:43,180 --> 01:34:45,279 You have to allow that like public. 1870 01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:46,720 You don't have to post it. 1871 01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:47,220 You don't. 1872 01:34:47,220 --> 01:34:49,199 No, that's what I'm reading right now. 1873 01:34:49,979 --> 01:34:59,819 If they find out, they can show up, which, which is uncomfortable when, you know, somebody didn't want to go and it was at Jim's house. 1874 01:34:59,819 --> 01:35:02,579 And I don't feel comfortable going to Jim's house. 1875 01:35:03,340 --> 01:35:04,319 They don't have to go. 1876 01:35:06,899 --> 01:35:07,800 It's not a meeting. 1877 01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:11,520 There won't be, and you don't necessarily have to listen to him. 1878 01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:16,340 So I just show up and say, hold my hand up all day. 1879 01:35:16,340 --> 01:35:17,420 And you don't have to even acknowledge. 1880 01:35:17,420 --> 01:35:23,359 I mean, you could write, but you're not making any motions or any decisions here. 1881 01:35:23,359 --> 01:35:24,880 You're just saying this might work. 1882 01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:25,600 That might work. 1883 01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,460 You could ask them, Hey, you're here. 1884 01:35:27,460 --> 01:35:28,119 What do you think? 1885 01:35:28,119 --> 01:35:30,640 But you don't have to, that's what I'm saying. 1886 01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:36,810 I know it eliminated, I mean, it eliminated a lot of issues doing it that way. 1887 01:35:36,909 --> 01:35:37,869 It worked out really well. 1888 01:35:38,189 --> 01:35:41,250 It would be much easier than having nine members here. 1889 01:35:41,470 --> 01:35:47,270 I've attended your meetings before last year or when they had the zoning bylaws and everybody's. 1890 01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:49,470 Talking every which way and nothing's getting done. 1891 01:35:49,470 --> 01:35:50,369 It's a little different now. 1892 01:35:51,369 --> 01:35:52,710 Well, it's a lot different now. 1893 01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:55,170 But yeah, it did help. 1894 01:35:55,170 --> 01:35:59,350 It facilitated things right along when there were three of us that were just researching stuff. 1895 01:35:59,350 --> 01:36:02,470 And then we brought it to the whole board and said, this is what we found. 1896 01:36:02,470 --> 01:36:06,289 So didn't we make committees that didn't post stuff? 1897 01:36:06,289 --> 01:36:08,949 So we would have a committee, they would go and they would talk. 1898 01:36:08,949 --> 01:36:12,689 Like the four-wheeler committee, they didn't post their meetings all the time. 1899 01:36:12,689 --> 01:36:13,729 They did minutes. 1900 01:36:13,729 --> 01:36:14,149 Right? 1901 01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:17,850 They did minutes, but they don't have to, they didn't actually work. 1902 01:36:17,850 --> 01:36:17,949 Right. 1903 01:36:18,010 --> 01:36:19,010 They don't have to post. 1904 01:36:19,010 --> 01:36:19,510 Yep. 1905 01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:20,510 Don't they need a quorum? 1906 01:36:20,510 --> 01:36:23,460 A meeting. 1907 01:36:23,460 --> 01:36:33,510 Yes, but why wouldn't they, but why wouldn't they want a fifth person if the fifth person wants to sit in? 1908 01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:38,510 Like I'm saying, if you have four people and one person finds, another board member says, 1909 01:36:38,510 --> 01:36:43,510 Hey, I got some information I want, but instead of writing it down, I want to come and explain to you what I found. 1910 01:36:43,510 --> 01:36:44,829 Sure. 1911 01:36:44,829 --> 01:36:46,329 They're not making decisions or anything. 1912 01:36:46,329 --> 01:36:47,829 No, I don't see a problem with that. 1913 01:36:47,829 --> 01:36:50,829 Does it break, I stop in and say, here, I found all this stuff. 1914 01:36:50,829 --> 01:36:51,829 This is why I found it. 1915 01:36:52,329 --> 01:36:53,329 See you later. 1916 01:36:53,329 --> 01:37:02,329 Lisa, I'll see if I can find the open meeting law we, what we attended just last year about the open meeting law and who meets and. 1917 01:37:02,329 --> 01:37:03,329 Yeah. 1918 01:37:03,329 --> 01:37:05,329 It's called an exploratory committee. 1919 01:37:05,329 --> 01:37:06,329 Yeah. 1920 01:37:06,329 --> 01:37:07,329 You have an exploratory committee. 1921 01:37:07,329 --> 01:37:09,159 Yep. 1922 01:37:09,159 --> 01:37:18,180 I read through it and it's, it's, it's a lot, but do you want to make sure that we're all on the same page? 1923 01:37:18,180 --> 01:37:23,920 I went to an open meeting in person. 1924 01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:32,659 I didn't see that happening. 1925 01:37:32,659 --> 01:37:35,659 But I'm just saying that one person in the state of Vermont. 1926 01:37:35,659 --> 01:37:37,819 Yeah. 1927 01:37:37,819 --> 01:37:43,489 They said that there have been instances where there have been complaints and tell them exactly what we're doing. 1928 01:37:43,489 --> 01:37:44,649 We're volunteers. 1929 01:37:44,649 --> 01:37:50,029 They don't do that again because it didn't result in any problem afterwards. 1930 01:37:50,029 --> 01:37:54,460 You know, they didn't make it hurting someone. 1931 01:37:54,460 --> 01:38:02,680 Well, I've found since I've been here is that the more you publicize what you're doing, the better off you are. 1932 01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:03,680 Oh yeah. 1933 01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:04,680 You can come for your buck. 1934 01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:05,680 Yeah. 1935 01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:06,680 I get it. 1936 01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:09,380 So. 1937 01:38:09,380 --> 01:38:10,380 Yep. 1938 01:38:10,380 --> 01:38:12,699 Like we all met with the school superintendent. 1939 01:38:12,699 --> 01:38:14,300 All three of us. 1940 01:38:14,300 --> 01:38:15,300 You didn't yell that by the. 1941 01:38:15,300 --> 01:38:18,060 By the school board? 1942 01:38:18,060 --> 01:38:23,479 You didn't. 1943 01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:24,479 Well. 1944 01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:25,479 But we didn't post that and that was their meeting and. 1945 01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:26,479 You know what? 1946 01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:27,479 We were invited. 1947 01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:30,479 She, she was just yelling at the wrong person, but I understand why she was upset when you 1948 01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:37,479 hit, when you invite the select board to go to this powwow and you don't invite your own 1949 01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:42,479 board and then your own board sitting in the school going, hey, what's going on out there? 1950 01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:46,960 They're all the same night as a meeting and the board wasn't invited. 1951 01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:48,960 Well, I would be concerned too. 1952 01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:49,960 Why is my superintendent. 1953 01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:50,960 Just the last. 1954 01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:51,960 That's not where we're meeting again? 1955 01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:52,960 No. 1956 01:38:52,960 --> 01:39:10,060 This is a. 1957 01:39:10,060 --> 01:39:14,739 Well, I brought the building permit. 1958 01:39:14,739 --> 01:39:21,720 If the no building permit is needed, there's supposed to be something at the bottom of 1959 01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:27,770 the current building permit that says no permit needed. 1960 01:39:27,770 --> 01:39:32,770 When I worked on it last year or two years ago, I sent it to Deb. 1961 01:39:32,770 --> 01:39:35,770 She agreed, but nothing has ever been done with that. 1962 01:39:35,770 --> 01:39:42,020 So I'm thinking that we need to revise that system because we got in trouble with the 1963 01:39:42,020 --> 01:39:43,020 sign. 1964 01:39:43,020 --> 01:39:44,020 No permit needed. 1965 01:39:44,020 --> 01:39:45,220 I think it's still happening. 1966 01:39:45,220 --> 01:39:46,220 So how, what are we going to do? 1967 01:39:46,220 --> 01:39:48,140 How are we going to do? 1968 01:39:48,140 --> 01:39:49,140 She put a box that she can check off or something on the sheet. 1969 01:39:49,140 --> 01:39:50,140 There is a box there. 1970 01:39:50,140 --> 01:39:51,140 No permit needed. 1971 01:39:51,140 --> 01:39:52,140 I don't know if this is the right meeting to talk about it. 1972 01:39:52,140 --> 01:39:53,140 Maybe the planning board is the right place to look at it, but I have a big problem with 1973 01:39:53,140 --> 01:39:54,140 the way this is going. 1974 01:39:54,140 --> 01:39:55,140 This, no permit. 1975 01:39:55,140 --> 01:39:56,140 So I asked the question, do I need this? 1976 01:39:56,140 --> 01:39:57,140 No, there's no permit. 1977 01:39:57,140 --> 01:39:58,140 I just want to know what I need a permit for and don't need a permit for. 1978 01:39:58,140 --> 01:39:59,140 Right. 1979 01:39:59,140 --> 01:40:00,560 So should we revise? 1980 01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:01,560 When I start to review this, I'm going to go back to the beginning. 1981 01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:03,779 I'm going to go back to the beginning. 1982 01:40:03,779 --> 01:40:04,869 I'm going to go back to the beginning. 1983 01:40:04,869 --> 01:40:05,869 I'm going to ask a thousand questions. 1984 01:40:05,869 --> 01:40:06,869 She's going to be going, nope. 1985 01:40:06,869 --> 01:40:08,829 Nope. 1986 01:40:08,829 --> 01:40:09,829 Yup. 1987 01:40:09,829 --> 01:40:10,829 Yup. 1988 01:40:10,829 --> 01:40:11,829 Nope. 1989 01:40:11,829 --> 01:40:13,539 I mean, this is craziness. 1990 01:40:13,539 --> 01:40:14,539 There should be a list of stuff that says, here's what you need a permit for. 1991 01:40:14,539 --> 01:40:15,819 Should this be in our zoning bylaws? 1992 01:40:15,819 --> 01:40:16,819 Well, Jesus. 1993 01:40:16,819 --> 01:40:17,819 It is. 1994 01:40:17,819 --> 01:40:18,819 It is. 1995 01:40:18,819 --> 01:40:19,819 There is. 1996 01:40:19,819 --> 01:40:20,819 There is. 1997 01:40:20,819 --> 01:40:21,819 There is. 1998 01:40:21,819 --> 01:40:22,819 There is. 1999 01:40:22,819 --> 01:40:23,819 There is. 2000 01:40:23,819 --> 01:40:24,819 There is. 2001 01:40:24,819 --> 01:40:25,819 There is. 2002 01:40:25,819 --> 01:40:26,819 There is. 2003 01:40:26,819 --> 01:40:27,819 There is. 2004 01:40:27,819 --> 01:40:28,819 There is. 2005 01:40:28,819 --> 01:40:29,819 There is. 2006 01:40:29,819 --> 01:40:30,819 There is. 2007 01:40:30,819 --> 01:40:31,819 There is. 2008 01:40:31,819 --> 01:40:32,819 There is. 2009 01:40:32,819 --> 01:40:33,819 There is. 2010 01:40:33,819 --> 01:40:34,819 There is. 2011 01:40:34,819 --> 01:40:35,819 There is. 2012 01:40:35,819 --> 01:40:36,819 There is. 2013 01:40:36,819 --> 01:40:37,819 There is. 2014 01:40:37,819 --> 01:40:38,819 There is. 2015 01:40:38,819 --> 01:40:39,819 There is. 2016 01:40:39,819 --> 01:40:40,819 There is. 2017 01:40:40,819 --> 01:40:41,819 There is. 2018 01:40:41,819 --> 01:40:42,819 There is. 2019 01:40:42,819 --> 01:40:43,819 There is. 2020 01:40:43,819 --> 01:40:44,819 There is. 2021 01:40:44,819 --> 01:40:45,819 There is. 2022 01:40:45,819 --> 01:40:46,819 There is. 2023 01:40:46,819 --> 01:40:47,819 There is. 2024 01:40:47,819 --> 01:40:48,819 There is. 2025 01:40:48,819 --> 01:40:49,819 There is. 2026 01:40:49,819 --> 01:40:50,819 There is. 2027 01:40:50,819 --> 01:40:51,819 There is. 2028 01:40:51,819 --> 01:40:52,819 There is. 2029 01:40:52,819 --> 01:40:53,819 There is. 2030 01:40:53,819 --> 01:40:54,819 There is. 2031 01:40:54,819 --> 01:40:55,819 There is. 2032 01:40:55,819 --> 01:40:56,819 There is. 2033 01:40:56,819 --> 01:40:57,819 There is. 2034 01:40:57,819 --> 01:40:58,819 There is. 2035 01:40:58,819 --> 01:40:59,819 There is. 2036 01:40:59,819 --> 01:41:00,819 There is. 2037 01:41:00,819 --> 01:41:01,819 There is. 2038 01:41:01,819 --> 01:41:02,819 There is. 2039 01:41:02,819 --> 01:41:03,819 There is. 2040 01:41:03,819 --> 01:41:04,819 There is. 2041 01:41:04,819 --> 01:41:05,819 There is. 2042 01:41:05,819 --> 01:41:17,640 We've been having situations right it's like I know how to read the state 2043 01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:22,819 statutes, I know how to read the guidelines, I know how to read the bylaws and so if I've 2044 01:41:22,819 --> 01:41:28,439 read it all and Deb and I, she's on speed dial, hey we're gonna do this, what do you 2045 01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:32,699 think? I don't find anything, what do you think? No I don't know of 2046 01:41:32,699 --> 01:41:39,039 anything either you're good. To have to then come in and fill out a form feels 2047 01:41:39,039 --> 01:41:49,899 it's not working. And the other thing is if it's wrong, then it goes back on the form. 2048 01:41:49,899 --> 01:41:55,899 We don't want it to end up like the sign that verbally said we don't need a permit. 2049 01:41:55,899 --> 01:42:01,720 You want to put it on the AO to document it. Well that's what we're trying to do. 2050 01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:03,579 But that doesn't require the homeowner 2051 01:42:03,579 --> 01:42:03,640 to write it down. 2052 01:42:03,659 --> 01:42:05,319 to create a form. 2053 01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,000 Then it should be just a form that... 2054 01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,380 The AO has to create a form. 2055 01:42:09,380 --> 01:42:11,380 If she's contacted... 2056 01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:13,039 I'm saying is... 2057 01:42:13,039 --> 01:42:15,539 Okay, so if she's got notes, where? In her house? 2058 01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:17,100 They should be here, filed, 2059 01:42:17,260 --> 01:42:18,359 recorded here, or... 2060 01:42:18,359 --> 01:42:20,859 She's supposed to document every conversation and all that. 2061 01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:23,260 Documentation and that's one thing, but I'm saying 2062 01:42:23,260 --> 01:42:25,500 is there's so many questions 2063 01:42:25,500 --> 01:42:27,659 that are asked 2064 01:42:27,659 --> 01:42:29,439 of her that she has to document 2065 01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:31,420 every conversation 2066 01:42:31,420 --> 01:42:33,279 now that... 2067 01:42:33,279 --> 01:42:35,779 And I agree. It's just too much. 2068 01:42:36,359 --> 01:42:37,539 There should be a place 2069 01:42:37,539 --> 01:42:38,579 where I can go and say, 2070 01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:39,680 what do I need? 2071 01:42:40,420 --> 01:42:43,720 The way we present it is different, 2072 01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:45,810 but do I need a permit 2073 01:42:45,810 --> 01:42:47,930 to build a house? Yes, you do. 2074 01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:50,329 Do I need a permit to put a swimming pool in? 2075 01:42:50,569 --> 01:42:51,609 I was told no. 2076 01:42:52,250 --> 01:42:52,430 Okay? 2077 01:42:53,850 --> 01:42:54,909 So, do I? 2078 01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:58,029 Do I need a permit to put it in grounds? 2079 01:42:58,029 --> 01:42:58,510 Is that a problem? 2080 01:42:59,789 --> 01:43:01,109 Yes, you do. 2081 01:43:02,630 --> 01:43:03,430 But above, 2082 01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:04,189 you've done this. 2083 01:43:04,409 --> 01:43:05,029 You've done it. 2084 01:43:05,029 --> 01:43:06,770 You've done it inside my house. 2085 01:43:06,770 --> 01:43:09,189 Yeah, you do need a permit for an above-ground pool. 2086 01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:09,970 No, you don't. 2087 01:43:10,369 --> 01:43:12,170 They had a wording actually that says... 2088 01:43:12,170 --> 01:43:13,949 Well, I don't want to get nobody in trouble 2089 01:43:13,949 --> 01:43:14,770 but I was told not. 2090 01:43:15,289 --> 01:43:16,449 Yeah, you don't. 2091 01:43:16,630 --> 01:43:18,109 If there's pools up there... 2092 01:43:18,109 --> 01:43:19,489 So, you've got to understand something. 2093 01:43:20,210 --> 01:43:21,890 There's a former AO here. 2094 01:43:22,770 --> 01:43:24,569 You guys are talking about 2095 01:43:24,569 --> 01:43:26,250 subjects, you are, 2096 01:43:26,850 --> 01:43:28,789 subjects prior to the new version. 2097 01:43:29,229 --> 01:43:30,390 The new version has, 2098 01:43:30,949 --> 01:43:33,229 on the swimming pool part of it, 2099 01:43:33,229 --> 01:43:37,829 is that if the swimming pool can be taken down or they don't need a permit. 2100 01:43:37,829 --> 01:43:40,409 If it gets taken down in the wintertime, 2101 01:43:40,409 --> 01:43:41,369 they don't need a permit. 2102 01:43:41,369 --> 01:43:43,949 If it's impermanently, it needs a permit. 2103 01:43:43,949 --> 01:43:45,550 Okay, so I'm going to tell you, 2104 01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:48,760 the bylaws were passed, 2105 01:43:49,359 --> 01:43:50,899 what, a year or... 2106 01:43:50,899 --> 01:43:51,539 Two, three years ago. 2107 01:43:51,539 --> 01:43:52,319 Two years ago. 2108 01:43:52,319 --> 01:43:55,199 And this question was asked last summer. 2109 01:43:55,199 --> 01:43:56,180 All right, well, I can't... 2110 01:43:56,180 --> 01:43:57,420 I'm just saying, 2111 01:43:57,420 --> 01:44:01,659 and it is done, kind of has documentation because it was asked at a meeting. 2112 01:44:01,659 --> 01:44:02,119 Yeah. 2113 01:44:02,119 --> 01:44:02,619 But, 2114 01:44:02,819 --> 01:44:03,659 and then again, 2115 01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:05,220 I'm not making trouble, 2116 01:44:05,220 --> 01:44:08,779 I'm just saying that every single question we ask, 2117 01:44:08,779 --> 01:44:11,180 do I need a permit to put a dog coop up? 2118 01:44:12,659 --> 01:44:13,420 Do I? 2119 01:44:13,420 --> 01:44:15,960 No, no wording at all. 2120 01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:18,159 Okay, is it a structure? 2121 01:44:19,380 --> 01:44:21,520 And I was told that you don't need a permit, 2122 01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:23,960 but you need to file. 2123 01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:26,319 You can have 300 square foot of shed. 2124 01:44:26,319 --> 01:44:27,520 Can you build a shed? 2125 01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:28,399 Without a permit. 2126 01:44:28,399 --> 01:44:29,399 But you need a permit. 2127 01:44:29,399 --> 01:44:30,560 If you need a permit, 2128 01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,640 make sure it's not on your neighbor's property line. 2129 01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:34,460 You just need a note. 2130 01:44:34,460 --> 01:44:34,539 It's a notification. 2131 01:44:34,539 --> 01:44:40,039 Right, so you need a notification which you have to go through DEP. 2132 01:44:40,039 --> 01:44:43,779 So dog coop, where does that end? 2133 01:44:43,779 --> 01:44:44,880 That's where I want to know. 2134 01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:45,779 So there's a lot of... 2135 01:44:45,779 --> 01:44:58,510 No, so this is one of the main topics that we've all had with the BRC about our bylaws. 2136 01:44:58,510 --> 01:45:04,109 We're not specific enough for a lot of stuff that's going on in today's world. 2137 01:45:04,109 --> 01:45:04,409 Right. 2138 01:45:04,409 --> 01:45:04,569 One thing that everybody in this room knows is that we're not specific enough for a lot of stuff that's going on in today's world. 2139 01:45:04,569 --> 01:45:04,770 One thing that everybody in this room knows is that we're not specific enough for a lot of stuff that's going on in today's world. 2140 01:45:04,770 --> 01:45:12,770 One thing that everybody in here and anybody who's listening on Jed's YouTube thing, 2141 01:45:12,770 --> 01:45:19,960 they just need to understand if they're going to expand the footprint of anything in their house, 2142 01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:25,880 garage, anything, expand up, down, sideways, you got to have a permit, period. 2143 01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:26,060 Right. 2144 01:45:26,060 --> 01:45:29,159 If you're building a house, you got to have a permit. 2145 01:45:29,159 --> 01:45:33,600 If you're building a shed, you have to have a notification if it's under 300 square feet. 2146 01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:33,840 Right. 2147 01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:34,359 There's just... 2148 01:45:34,359 --> 01:45:34,579 It's a simple thing. 2149 01:45:34,579 --> 01:45:35,079 It's a simple thing. 2150 01:45:35,079 --> 01:45:36,739 It's a simple little... 2151 01:45:36,739 --> 01:45:44,699 That should be on the application, I believe, or a form here that's just the basic knowledge. 2152 01:45:44,699 --> 01:45:45,359 I don't want... 2153 01:45:45,359 --> 01:45:45,899 I don't want... 2154 01:45:45,899 --> 01:45:50,560 I think we can go all night on it, but I'm just saying is when you say under 300, where does it end? 2155 01:45:51,220 --> 01:45:55,380 Does it end in a shed, a dog coop, a chicken coop, or a birdhouse? 2156 01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:58,340 Well, if I put a chain link fence up with a dog coop, no. 2157 01:45:58,359 --> 01:45:59,119 That's not what you're using it for. 2158 01:45:59,180 --> 01:45:59,460 All right. 2159 01:45:59,500 --> 01:46:00,279 That wouldn't get one. 2160 01:46:00,619 --> 01:46:03,600 Because you have to come down and ask for a... 2161 01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:04,539 It's not a permit, but... 2162 01:46:04,539 --> 01:46:08,260 But you have to file it that says that you're not off. 2163 01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:12,279 Look, do I have to do that for a small... 2164 01:46:12,279 --> 01:46:13,840 How small a structure do I need? 2165 01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:15,260 Is that... 2166 01:46:15,260 --> 01:46:16,939 According to what you're saying, zero, right? 2167 01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:21,319 So a birdhouse that's on my property line, I have to... 2168 01:46:21,319 --> 01:46:24,140 Well, I'm just being a smartass now. 2169 01:46:24,199 --> 01:46:26,000 What I'm saying is, is do you need one? 2170 01:46:26,399 --> 01:46:32,439 Well, what you're saying and the way you're talking, that's exactly what's been going on for the last 400 years. 2171 01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:32,840 Exactly. 2172 01:46:33,220 --> 01:46:33,659 Exactly. 2173 01:46:34,079 --> 01:46:34,439 Stephanie? 2174 01:46:35,060 --> 01:46:37,720 I guess, so what I'm kind of hearing, and this is... 2175 01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:45,180 And I'm only saying this also because, like I said, Deb is on speed dial for me because I just feel like I'm constantly checking in. 2176 01:46:46,180 --> 01:46:51,100 But I also know that it takes a lot of her time or anyone who was in that position. 2177 01:46:51,279 --> 01:46:52,140 So it's not even just her. 2178 01:46:52,260 --> 01:47:01,800 Like, that position, if you're going to have that level of oversight and you need to have them available for every little question because it's not... 2179 01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:04,239 And then they have to document every little question. 2180 01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:07,880 Then it seems like it has to be an actual paid position. 2181 01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:09,579 Like, it has to be a different position. 2182 01:47:10,199 --> 01:47:14,239 Well, then, but going to Mike, too, if we had more specific checklists... 2183 01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:15,439 Right. 2184 01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:15,880 Yeah. 2185 01:47:16,060 --> 01:47:16,979 That would... 2186 01:47:16,979 --> 01:47:20,600 They wouldn't even have to go to the AO and they would know. 2187 01:47:20,619 --> 01:47:20,640 Right. 2188 01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:21,319 And I agree with you. 2189 01:47:21,380 --> 01:47:23,319 The reason why I'm doing that is because it is... 2190 01:47:23,319 --> 01:47:23,579 Right. 2191 01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:24,899 And I'm showing that. 2192 01:47:25,060 --> 01:47:26,460 There are questions. 2193 01:47:27,119 --> 01:47:28,260 And I agree with you. 2194 01:47:29,319 --> 01:47:31,159 Deb is paid by permit. 2195 01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:32,340 So she gets... 2196 01:47:32,340 --> 01:47:33,800 But every time she does the one that is... 2197 01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:36,460 But every time she does the one that is not a permit, she doesn't get paid, right? 2198 01:47:37,079 --> 01:47:38,119 She says no. 2199 01:47:38,539 --> 01:47:38,939 Yes. 2200 01:47:39,060 --> 01:47:39,699 Yes, no. 2201 01:47:39,819 --> 01:47:43,819 But she has to check and see if it's off almost the same process. 2202 01:47:44,220 --> 01:47:45,039 But she doesn't know. 2203 01:47:45,140 --> 01:47:46,819 She doesn't have a checklist there either. 2204 01:47:47,079 --> 01:47:47,439 So if there was something... 2205 01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:48,819 But we need to... 2206 01:47:48,819 --> 01:47:49,399 I guess. 2207 01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:49,880 I guess. 2208 01:47:49,979 --> 01:47:50,239 That's all. 2209 01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:51,159 How can we do that? 2210 01:47:51,159 --> 01:47:52,060 I don't want to do that. 2211 01:47:52,359 --> 01:47:54,520 I trust in the fact that she's doing her job. 2212 01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:58,460 Well, I don't want to beat her up or beat the subject up. 2213 01:47:58,460 --> 01:48:00,619 I'm just saying is I agree with you. 2214 01:48:00,779 --> 01:48:02,659 It's not perfect and it should be better. 2215 01:48:03,180 --> 01:48:03,460 It should... 2216 01:48:04,260 --> 01:48:07,520 Yeah, I don't think it's working how it is now or how it was before. 2217 01:48:07,859 --> 01:48:09,199 And we've got to... 2218 01:48:09,199 --> 01:48:11,119 We have a lot of building going on. 2219 01:48:11,279 --> 01:48:12,680 I think it just... 2220 01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:15,460 That position has evolved over the past 10 years. 2221 01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:16,060 It sure has. 2222 01:48:16,500 --> 01:48:16,899 Majorly. 2223 01:48:17,079 --> 01:48:19,300 Even when I was doing it, it's different now. 2224 01:48:19,479 --> 01:48:20,340 I mean, it's... 2225 01:48:20,340 --> 01:48:21,359 It's completely different. 2226 01:48:21,359 --> 01:48:21,880 It sure has. 2227 01:48:22,220 --> 01:48:25,539 But there's some things that when... 2228 01:48:25,539 --> 01:48:26,859 Look, I'm going to be honest. 2229 01:48:26,859 --> 01:48:31,720 There's people that are upset, addictive, whatever you want to call it, 2230 01:48:31,779 --> 01:48:33,039 that drive this main road. 2231 01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:35,659 They look for everything they can pick out 2232 01:48:35,659 --> 01:48:38,199 and then they do that talk about. 2233 01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:40,319 It doesn't come here most of the time. 2234 01:48:40,399 --> 01:48:41,140 It's just talk about. 2235 01:48:41,739 --> 01:48:44,180 But everybody hears it eventually. 2236 01:48:44,359 --> 01:48:48,119 If I say one thing, tomorrow everybody in town is going to hear it. 2237 01:48:48,300 --> 01:48:48,420 Okay? 2238 01:48:49,380 --> 01:48:50,739 And that happens all the time. 2239 01:48:50,739 --> 01:48:56,279 We need, as a town, because this fight and all times, 2240 01:48:56,399 --> 01:48:58,380 not getting that plan that we talked about, 2241 01:48:58,500 --> 01:49:00,699 what the vision is, it's never going to... 2242 01:49:00,699 --> 01:49:01,720 What do you want? 2243 01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:03,560 Well, I want a nice town to live in. 2244 01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:04,000 Dave. 2245 01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:04,920 I'm going to quote you. 2246 01:49:05,199 --> 01:49:06,399 We all got to live here. 2247 01:49:06,699 --> 01:49:06,899 Right? 2248 01:49:07,239 --> 01:49:09,199 He said that 13 years ago to me. 2249 01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:11,659 No matter what we agree or disagree on, 2250 01:49:11,699 --> 01:49:13,199 and we've disagreed, 2251 01:49:13,420 --> 01:49:14,520 we got to live here, man. 2252 01:49:15,380 --> 01:49:15,600 You know? 2253 01:49:15,739 --> 01:49:17,479 I'll drink a beer with anybody in here. 2254 01:49:17,819 --> 01:49:18,180 Anybody. 2255 01:49:18,659 --> 01:49:19,340 As long as you're buying. 2256 01:49:19,739 --> 01:49:20,960 But I will drink it. 2257 01:49:22,020 --> 01:49:25,140 There's no reason why we can kind of argue 2258 01:49:25,140 --> 01:49:26,600 or drive up and down the road and go, 2259 01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:28,279 hey, he didn't get a permit. 2260 01:49:28,460 --> 01:49:30,619 Don't go call the state. 2261 01:49:30,619 --> 01:49:31,300 You're not going to... 2262 01:49:31,300 --> 01:49:32,340 Just stop at the guy and say, 2263 01:49:32,380 --> 01:49:33,840 hey, you know, you just moved into town. 2264 01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:37,920 And, you know, we have to get permits for all this stuff. 2265 01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:38,920 So I'm just letting you know, 2266 01:49:39,060 --> 01:49:40,840 I'm not the permit police. 2267 01:49:41,539 --> 01:49:43,020 Instead of... 2268 01:49:43,020 --> 01:49:43,960 I want the state to go on, 2269 01:49:44,369 --> 01:49:47,199 hey, the guy just, you know, 2270 01:49:47,260 --> 01:49:50,909 he just put a new... 2271 01:49:50,909 --> 01:49:52,510 Because you don't need a permit for a fire. 2272 01:49:54,170 --> 01:49:55,090 The state goes, well, 2273 01:49:56,970 --> 01:49:59,130 I'm just saying we should get along a little bit. 2274 01:49:59,310 --> 01:50:00,850 I'm not saying don't follow the rules 2275 01:50:00,850 --> 01:50:01,829 because Deb said that. 2276 01:50:01,909 --> 01:50:03,130 Do you want to do my job? 2277 01:50:03,689 --> 01:50:18,979 Yeah, but I also want it to be... 2278 01:50:18,979 --> 01:50:20,539 Well, Milo, one something. 2279 01:50:20,939 --> 01:50:22,760 Just for a few minutes on the agenda. 2280 01:50:23,399 --> 01:50:24,550 At this level, 2281 01:50:24,609 --> 01:50:26,090 we're meeting where you just take one thing 2282 01:50:26,090 --> 01:50:27,409 and you just educate. 2283 01:50:27,630 --> 01:50:29,250 And so anybody reading the minutes 2284 01:50:29,250 --> 01:50:30,789 or watching the videos or whatever, 2285 01:50:30,909 --> 01:50:32,590 they're like, oh, there's one thing in the bylaws. 2286 01:50:32,689 --> 01:50:33,529 Maybe I didn't know that. 2287 01:50:33,590 --> 01:50:34,270 Now I know it. 2288 01:50:34,630 --> 01:50:35,710 And then you can kind of start 2289 01:50:35,710 --> 01:50:37,609 to get everybody on the same page. 2290 01:50:37,729 --> 01:50:39,890 Just like one, you know, just... 2291 01:50:41,069 --> 01:50:42,050 Who gets started by a lot? 2292 01:50:45,149 --> 01:50:46,109 Bylaws in a website. 2293 01:50:51,550 --> 01:50:53,210 Maybe at the annual meeting. 2294 01:50:53,670 --> 01:50:55,090 Maybe we... 2295 01:50:55,090 --> 01:50:55,470 You're right. 2296 01:50:55,630 --> 01:50:56,989 Maybe at the annual meeting, 2297 01:50:56,989 --> 01:50:59,289 we have like maybe 15 minutes 2298 01:50:59,289 --> 01:51:01,550 for each maybe department head. 2299 01:51:01,710 --> 01:51:02,489 You know, when Nancy... 2300 01:51:02,489 --> 01:51:04,289 used to say something about what's going on 2301 01:51:04,289 --> 01:51:05,390 in the town. 2302 01:51:05,789 --> 01:51:08,109 Deb gets up and that could be a spot 2303 01:51:08,109 --> 01:51:10,710 for her to, hey, this is what's going on. 2304 01:51:10,829 --> 01:51:11,850 How can we make it better 2305 01:51:11,850 --> 01:51:13,050 for everybody in this room? 2306 01:51:13,229 --> 01:51:15,689 We do at the end of the meeting 2307 01:51:15,689 --> 01:51:17,329 say for anybody, anything that 2308 01:51:17,329 --> 01:51:20,159 you want to say, you can say. 2309 01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:20,960 I don't mind. 2310 01:51:21,359 --> 01:51:24,880 For everything, all... 2311 01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:26,279 For some of the meetings, 2312 01:51:26,279 --> 01:51:29,579 it would stretch a lot about... 2313 01:51:29,579 --> 01:51:29,739 Yeah. 2314 01:51:30,399 --> 01:51:32,640 It would create spots for a lot of conversations. 2315 01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:33,220 Right. 2316 01:51:33,220 --> 01:51:34,520 It would be helpful if people were willing 2317 01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:35,760 to partake more, right? 2318 01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:36,920 You're going to go through two years 2319 01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:37,979 of rewriting these things 2320 01:51:37,979 --> 01:51:39,579 and you're going to have the same two people 2321 01:51:39,579 --> 01:51:40,220 in the audience. 2322 01:51:41,659 --> 01:51:45,279 No one ever wants to address 2323 01:51:45,279 --> 01:51:46,880 boring issues with language. 2324 01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:51,039 I can tell you my huge frustration 2325 01:51:51,039 --> 01:51:51,880 when I started 2326 01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:53,960 and for the whole time I was here 2327 01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:56,739 was having to deal with the people 2328 01:51:56,739 --> 01:51:58,100 that had been here for a long time 2329 01:51:58,100 --> 01:52:00,279 because it wasn't... 2330 01:52:00,279 --> 01:52:03,560 It wasn't a frustration to them. 2331 01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:04,720 It was the system. 2332 01:52:05,039 --> 01:52:05,760 They were used to doing... 2333 01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:06,600 They were used to doing things 2334 01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:07,520 a certain way. 2335 01:52:08,579 --> 01:52:09,920 And it was in the... 2336 01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:11,199 There was nothing new 2337 01:52:11,199 --> 01:52:13,279 in the bylaws I inherited. 2338 01:52:13,699 --> 01:52:15,260 I inherited the bylaws 2339 01:52:15,260 --> 01:52:17,939 that should have been there for years. 2340 01:52:18,079 --> 01:52:20,140 But it wasn't enforced. 2341 01:52:20,420 --> 01:52:22,000 People were doing whatever they... 2342 01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:22,899 It was a free-for-all. 2343 01:52:23,119 --> 01:52:25,479 And when I started enforcing them... 2344 01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:26,439 If anybody reads them, 2345 01:52:26,500 --> 01:52:27,699 it's usually after the fact. 2346 01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:29,020 They voted it all in, right? 2347 01:52:29,060 --> 01:52:30,640 And then they got a whole series of complaints. 2348 01:52:30,699 --> 01:52:30,939 Right. 2349 01:52:30,939 --> 01:52:32,279 We're going to rewrite these things 2350 01:52:32,279 --> 01:52:33,319 in the next five years. 2351 01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:34,020 Come on down. 2352 01:52:34,420 --> 01:52:34,600 Sure. 2353 01:52:34,699 --> 01:52:35,500 But no one comes down. 2354 01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:35,760 I mean, 2355 01:52:35,819 --> 01:52:36,619 we literally, 2356 01:52:36,939 --> 01:52:37,399 at the end, 2357 01:52:37,460 --> 01:52:38,039 the last session, 2358 01:52:38,119 --> 01:52:38,760 I remember clearly, 2359 01:52:38,859 --> 01:52:39,859 only two people showed up 2360 01:52:39,859 --> 01:52:40,600 were Bill and Nancy. 2361 01:52:41,479 --> 01:52:41,680 Right? 2362 01:52:41,739 --> 01:52:43,319 Then we had a whole town meeting, 2363 01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:44,119 open meeting, 2364 01:52:44,239 --> 01:52:45,060 and then Bill and Nancy 2365 01:52:45,060 --> 01:52:46,460 and only three other people showed up. 2366 01:52:47,060 --> 01:52:49,979 And this was for the whole town bylaws, 2367 01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:53,449 which goes right to the grand list, 2368 01:52:53,529 --> 01:52:54,770 which goes right to our taxes. 2369 01:52:55,850 --> 01:52:56,289 So yeah, 2370 01:52:56,409 --> 01:52:56,750 it matters. 2371 01:52:56,750 --> 01:52:58,069 But do people understand that? 2372 01:52:58,149 --> 01:52:58,289 See, 2373 01:52:58,329 --> 01:52:59,029 that's the other thing 2374 01:52:59,029 --> 01:53:00,329 is I think what I'm seeing 2375 01:53:00,329 --> 01:53:01,850 is new people coming in. 2376 01:53:03,109 --> 01:53:04,090 One of the... 2377 01:53:04,090 --> 01:53:06,289 And so sometimes people are busy. 2378 01:53:06,770 --> 01:53:07,850 They don't know how to... 2379 01:53:07,930 --> 01:53:09,010 They don't know how to get educated 2380 01:53:09,010 --> 01:53:09,369 about, 2381 01:53:09,550 --> 01:53:09,689 well, 2382 01:53:09,729 --> 01:53:10,550 what is it that I need 2383 01:53:10,550 --> 01:53:11,550 to pay attention to? 2384 01:53:12,189 --> 01:53:12,510 You know, 2385 01:53:12,609 --> 01:53:13,010 there... 2386 01:53:13,010 --> 01:53:14,409 And I think that maybe 2387 01:53:14,409 --> 01:53:16,210 finding a fun way 2388 01:53:16,210 --> 01:53:18,909 to get people to understand 2389 01:53:18,909 --> 01:53:19,989 how to be involved 2390 01:53:19,989 --> 01:53:21,890 and how to know 2391 01:53:21,890 --> 01:53:23,649 where to even find this stuff, 2392 01:53:23,710 --> 01:53:24,989 that there is even bylaws, 2393 01:53:25,109 --> 01:53:25,770 that there is, 2394 01:53:26,130 --> 01:53:26,449 you know, 2395 01:53:26,510 --> 01:53:27,890 come to a town meeting. 2396 01:53:28,050 --> 01:53:28,189 Like, 2397 01:53:28,750 --> 01:53:29,770 to... 2398 01:53:29,770 --> 01:53:30,970 Is there a way 2399 01:53:30,970 --> 01:53:32,329 to kind of 2400 01:53:32,329 --> 01:53:34,569 just open that up 2401 01:53:34,569 --> 01:53:36,250 so that people... 2402 01:53:36,250 --> 01:53:36,470 You know, 2403 01:53:36,510 --> 01:53:36,649 like, 2404 01:53:36,649 --> 01:53:37,409 I pay attention 2405 01:53:37,409 --> 01:53:37,909 and I see, 2406 01:53:37,930 --> 01:53:38,850 how many people show up 2407 01:53:38,850 --> 01:53:39,710 and vote on things 2408 01:53:39,710 --> 01:53:40,170 and I'm like, 2409 01:53:40,270 --> 01:53:40,409 okay, 2410 01:53:40,550 --> 01:53:42,750 there's like 800 people, 2411 01:53:42,930 --> 01:53:43,550 give or take, 2412 01:53:43,649 --> 01:53:44,210 in the town, 2413 01:53:44,329 --> 01:53:46,069 but there's only like 170 2414 01:53:46,069 --> 01:53:47,229 who ever vote 2415 01:53:47,229 --> 01:53:48,810 or show up for anything 2416 01:53:48,810 --> 01:53:49,329 or do anything. 2417 01:53:49,470 --> 01:53:49,569 Like, 2418 01:53:49,630 --> 01:53:50,430 where are those other 2419 01:53:50,430 --> 01:53:50,949 six, 2420 01:53:51,029 --> 01:53:51,689 seven hundred people? 2421 01:53:52,210 --> 01:53:54,090 How do you engage them? 2422 01:53:54,210 --> 01:53:55,409 How do we get them to... 2423 01:53:55,409 --> 01:53:56,250 How do you make them to come? 2424 01:53:56,250 --> 01:53:56,789 How do you know 2425 01:53:56,789 --> 01:53:57,210 if you've come 2426 01:53:57,210 --> 01:53:57,630 or not? 2427 01:53:58,489 --> 01:54:00,090 Take away... 2428 01:54:00,090 --> 01:54:00,569 Free beer. 2429 01:54:01,229 --> 01:54:02,670 Outlaw chainsaws 2430 01:54:02,670 --> 01:54:03,550 and they'll show up. 2431 01:54:03,770 --> 01:54:04,810 Take away four-wheelers. 2432 01:54:04,970 --> 01:54:05,989 I don't think there's... 2433 01:54:05,989 --> 01:54:06,850 A dry town, 2434 01:54:07,069 --> 01:54:07,729 they'll show up. 2435 01:54:07,810 --> 01:54:07,909 Yeah. 2436 01:54:07,930 --> 01:54:08,789 They came up 2437 01:54:08,789 --> 01:54:09,770 for that gun meeting 2438 01:54:09,770 --> 01:54:10,569 like, wow. 2439 01:54:10,829 --> 01:54:11,069 Yeah. 2440 01:54:11,069 --> 01:54:11,890 There was a little bit 2441 01:54:11,890 --> 01:54:13,050 of a mentality too 2442 01:54:13,050 --> 01:54:14,310 that people that decide 2443 01:54:14,310 --> 01:54:15,510 to move to a rural town 2444 01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:15,949 like this 2445 01:54:15,949 --> 01:54:17,289 don't necessarily want... 2446 01:54:17,289 --> 01:54:18,510 They move here in part 2447 01:54:18,510 --> 01:54:19,569 to not partake 2448 01:54:19,569 --> 01:54:20,149 in any of this. 2449 01:54:20,270 --> 01:54:20,510 Right. 2450 01:54:20,770 --> 01:54:21,350 No, you're right. 2451 01:54:21,770 --> 01:54:22,529 They don't want to deal 2452 01:54:22,529 --> 01:54:23,310 with any of it. 2453 01:54:23,670 --> 01:54:23,970 Yeah, 2454 01:54:24,189 --> 01:54:25,970 but to make it available. 2455 01:54:26,510 --> 01:54:26,729 Yeah. 2456 01:54:26,989 --> 01:54:27,210 I mean, 2457 01:54:27,250 --> 01:54:27,909 we suggested 2458 01:54:27,909 --> 01:54:30,069 for those who want it. 2459 01:54:30,069 --> 01:54:30,689 We suggested like mentioning it 2460 01:54:30,689 --> 01:54:31,630 in mail outs 2461 01:54:31,630 --> 01:54:32,470 and stuff like that 2462 01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:32,869 before. 2463 01:54:34,220 --> 01:54:35,579 Or maybe even have a 2464 01:54:35,579 --> 01:54:36,760 luncheon, 2465 01:54:36,899 --> 01:54:37,060 you know, 2466 01:54:37,159 --> 01:54:37,840 gather like a 2467 01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:38,800 run some little... 2468 01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:39,140 Come on, 2469 01:54:39,199 --> 01:54:39,720 have a chat 2470 01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:40,539 about the bylaws. 2471 01:54:40,680 --> 01:54:41,239 Like, I don't know. 2472 01:54:41,319 --> 01:54:41,840 Just something 2473 01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:43,399 so if people are curious, 2474 01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:44,199 they want to know. 2475 01:54:44,359 --> 01:54:45,680 They want to get to know 2476 01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:47,039 who, you know, 2477 01:54:47,300 --> 01:54:48,000 that they... 2478 01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:49,479 There's a way to learn 2479 01:54:49,479 --> 01:54:49,739 that's right. 2480 01:54:49,739 --> 01:54:50,199 When you're going 2481 01:54:50,199 --> 01:54:51,100 through that process, 2482 01:54:51,279 --> 01:54:51,680 you could... 2483 01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:51,880 I mean, 2484 01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:52,920 maybe you can post that 2485 01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:54,020 on the website or something 2486 01:54:54,020 --> 01:54:55,079 and just let people know 2487 01:54:55,079 --> 01:54:55,420 that, hey, 2488 01:54:55,479 --> 01:54:57,439 we're going through 2489 01:54:57,439 --> 01:54:58,920 an all rewrite process here 2490 01:54:58,920 --> 01:54:59,760 and now's the time 2491 01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:00,399 to, you know, 2492 01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:01,859 not invoice your opinion. 2493 01:55:02,180 --> 01:55:02,340 Yeah. 2494 01:55:02,539 --> 01:55:03,079 The other thing is 2495 01:55:03,079 --> 01:55:03,939 the planning commission 2496 01:55:03,939 --> 01:55:04,840 is kind of like 2497 01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:06,220 the oversight of the AO. 2498 01:55:07,039 --> 01:55:07,340 I mean, 2499 01:55:07,359 --> 01:55:07,720 we're... 2500 01:55:07,720 --> 01:55:08,819 responsible for actually 2501 01:55:08,819 --> 01:55:09,699 interviewing them 2502 01:55:09,699 --> 01:55:10,899 and making our 2503 01:55:10,899 --> 01:55:11,560 recommendations 2504 01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:12,899 to the board. 2505 01:55:13,899 --> 01:55:14,619 What I was thinking 2506 01:55:14,619 --> 01:55:15,560 is maybe 2507 01:55:15,560 --> 01:55:16,680 we get together 2508 01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:17,420 with Deb 2509 01:55:17,420 --> 01:55:18,699 and she's at 2510 01:55:18,699 --> 01:55:19,460 most of the meetings 2511 01:55:19,460 --> 01:55:19,819 anyways 2512 01:55:19,819 --> 01:55:21,140 and we come up 2513 01:55:21,140 --> 01:55:22,039 with an 2514 01:55:22,039 --> 01:55:23,539 informational 2515 01:55:23,539 --> 01:55:24,680 guide. 2516 01:55:24,979 --> 01:55:25,399 Handout. 2517 01:55:25,619 --> 01:55:26,060 Exactly. 2518 01:55:26,060 --> 01:55:27,300 A building permit. 2519 01:55:27,659 --> 01:55:27,979 Exactly. 2520 01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:29,319 Or just put it 2521 01:55:29,319 --> 01:55:30,100 on the website. 2522 01:55:30,479 --> 01:55:30,760 On a window 2523 01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:31,279 or something. 2524 01:55:31,479 --> 01:55:32,020 We did have 2525 01:55:32,020 --> 01:55:32,939 kind of a rough draft 2526 01:55:32,939 --> 01:55:33,420 at one time. 2527 01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:33,859 We were going to 2528 01:55:33,859 --> 01:55:34,960 break it down 2529 01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:35,859 cost-wise 2530 01:55:35,859 --> 01:55:36,460 but that just 2531 01:55:36,460 --> 01:55:37,699 got too... 2532 01:55:37,699 --> 01:55:38,899 like complicated 2533 01:55:38,899 --> 01:55:39,420 to figure out 2534 01:55:39,420 --> 01:55:40,279 the prices for everything 2535 01:55:40,279 --> 01:55:40,699 I guess. 2536 01:55:41,260 --> 01:55:41,720 So there was 2537 01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:43,000 kind of a general list 2538 01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:44,979 of things that you 2539 01:55:44,979 --> 01:55:45,960 would need permits for 2540 01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:46,640 and you could just 2541 01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:47,319 like eliminate 2542 01:55:47,319 --> 01:55:48,760 the price section 2543 01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:49,340 off of that 2544 01:55:49,340 --> 01:55:50,359 because we want 2545 01:55:50,359 --> 01:55:51,279 one set price 2546 01:55:51,279 --> 01:55:52,319 and that'd kind of 2547 01:55:52,319 --> 01:55:53,140 be your go-to 2548 01:55:53,140 --> 01:55:54,060 checklist. 2549 01:55:54,319 --> 01:55:54,939 I know she spends 2550 01:55:54,939 --> 01:55:55,600 a lot of time 2551 01:55:55,600 --> 01:55:59,239 and without doing 2552 01:55:59,239 --> 01:55:59,819 permits 2553 01:55:59,819 --> 01:56:00,539 and so she don't 2554 01:56:00,539 --> 01:56:01,239 get paid for 2555 01:56:01,239 --> 01:56:02,800 the phone calls 2556 01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:03,739 and you know 2557 01:56:03,739 --> 01:56:04,420 all that stuff. 2558 01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:04,739 I mean, 2559 01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:05,180 it's more 2560 01:56:05,180 --> 01:56:07,340 if it's written out 2561 01:56:07,340 --> 01:56:07,539 and it's... 2562 01:56:07,699 --> 01:56:08,199 That's why we 2563 01:56:08,199 --> 01:56:09,359 raised all our rates 2564 01:56:09,359 --> 01:56:09,739 so... 2565 01:56:09,739 --> 01:56:10,520 Wouldn't have to call. 2566 01:56:12,180 --> 01:56:13,039 Or even if they did 2567 01:56:13,039 --> 01:56:13,500 call or... 2568 01:56:13,500 --> 01:56:14,439 Every single permit. 2569 01:56:14,819 --> 01:56:16,300 If there is no issues 2570 01:56:16,300 --> 01:56:17,140 it takes about 2571 01:56:17,140 --> 01:56:18,180 six hours. 2572 01:56:18,539 --> 01:56:18,779 Nothing. 2573 01:56:19,140 --> 01:56:19,880 Executive session. 2574 01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:21,800 You may go. 2575 01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:23,039 So... 2576 01:56:23,039 --> 01:56:23,500 No, 2577 01:56:23,659 --> 01:56:24,760 that goes right back 2578 01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:25,539 to the conversation 2579 01:56:25,539 --> 01:56:26,260 we had earlier 2580 01:56:26,260 --> 01:56:27,300 about development too. 2581 01:56:27,439 --> 01:56:27,920 If we're going to go 2582 01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:28,960 willy-nilly and crazy 2583 01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:29,579 with development 2584 01:56:29,579 --> 01:56:30,279 we're going to need 2585 01:56:30,279 --> 01:56:31,079 a full-time 2586 01:56:31,079 --> 01:56:31,899 you know, 2587 01:56:32,039 --> 01:56:32,880 like inspector. 2588 01:56:33,199 --> 01:56:34,260 A full-time person 2589 01:56:34,260 --> 01:56:35,060 that we've paid 2590 01:56:35,060 --> 01:56:36,539 and they're just 2591 01:56:36,539 --> 01:56:36,899 going to have 2592 01:56:36,899 --> 01:56:37,659 so many permits 2593 01:56:37,659 --> 01:56:38,340 and construction 2594 01:56:38,340 --> 01:56:38,859 going on 2595 01:56:38,859 --> 01:56:39,600 as we open it up. 2596 01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:40,100 And we don't want 2597 01:56:40,100 --> 01:56:40,800 to over-regulate it. 2598 01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:41,699 Then we'd be paying 2599 01:56:41,699 --> 01:56:43,079 someone. 2600 01:56:43,340 --> 01:56:43,539 Right. 2601 01:56:43,699 --> 01:56:44,180 I don't want to 2602 01:56:44,180 --> 01:56:45,380 turn into a... 2603 01:56:45,380 --> 01:56:46,159 Any game 2604 01:56:46,159 --> 01:56:47,260 we get property tax 2605 01:56:47,260 --> 01:56:47,920 we're going to turn 2606 01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:48,840 into, you know, 2607 01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:49,600 salary for 2608 01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:50,539 administrative... 2609 01:56:50,539 --> 01:56:51,279 Yeah, there you go. 2610 01:56:51,420 --> 01:56:51,819 That's what all 2611 01:56:51,819 --> 01:56:52,680 comes down to money. 2612 01:56:53,180 --> 01:56:53,319 Yeah. 2613 01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:54,840 It's always money. 2614 01:56:55,380 --> 01:56:56,100 So you also 2615 01:56:56,100 --> 01:56:56,739 pay attention 2616 01:56:56,739 --> 01:56:57,720 or try to follow 2617 01:56:57,720 --> 01:56:58,140 the rules 2618 01:56:58,140 --> 01:56:58,640 because you've got 2619 01:56:58,640 --> 01:56:59,119 to have somebody 2620 01:56:59,119 --> 01:56:59,819 enforce it 2621 01:56:59,819 --> 01:57:00,100 and you've got 2622 01:57:00,100 --> 01:57:01,060 to pay them money. 2623 01:57:01,340 --> 01:57:01,520 Yep. 2624 01:57:01,739 --> 01:57:02,239 Unless you're just 2625 01:57:02,239 --> 01:57:02,720 going to turn it 2626 01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:03,479 down straight over 2627 01:57:03,479 --> 01:57:03,880 and you know 2628 01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:04,260 a month later... 2629 01:57:04,260 --> 01:57:04,880 But yours really 2630 01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:05,760 didn't. 2631 01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:06,239 Nobody does. 2632 01:57:06,279 --> 01:57:07,039 That's the difference. 2633 01:57:07,039 --> 01:57:07,939 Kurt talked about 2634 01:57:07,939 --> 01:57:08,640 that years ago. 2635 01:57:09,060 --> 01:57:09,840 That was... 2636 01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:10,659 Years ago you had 2637 01:57:10,659 --> 01:57:11,579 people that volunteered 2638 01:57:11,579 --> 01:57:12,939 that got involved 2639 01:57:12,939 --> 01:57:13,500 and they didn't 2640 01:57:13,500 --> 01:57:14,199 care about the money. 2641 01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:15,039 Well, they don't 2642 01:57:15,039 --> 01:57:15,500 even think 2643 01:57:15,500 --> 01:57:16,239 you're engaging 2644 01:57:16,239 --> 01:57:17,539 in this type 2645 01:57:17,539 --> 01:57:18,340 of community. 2646 01:57:18,819 --> 01:57:19,840 They're all online. 2647 01:57:19,859 --> 01:57:20,560 Nothing against 2648 01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:21,060 the AO. 2649 01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:23,500 They don't... 2650 01:57:23,500 --> 01:57:23,720 You know, 2651 01:57:23,739 --> 01:57:24,239 we talk about 2652 01:57:24,239 --> 01:57:24,939 paying AO 2653 01:57:24,939 --> 01:57:25,659 or the Listers 2654 01:57:25,659 --> 01:57:26,119 or anything, 2655 01:57:26,199 --> 01:57:26,420 you know, 2656 01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:27,439 and the select board 2657 01:57:27,439 --> 01:57:28,180 and the planning board 2658 01:57:28,180 --> 01:57:28,619 sit there 2659 01:57:28,619 --> 01:57:29,100 and the planning board 2660 01:57:29,100 --> 01:57:30,300 does it for 25 hours 2661 01:57:30,300 --> 01:57:30,760 a year 2662 01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:31,880 and the select board 2663 01:57:31,880 --> 01:57:32,680 does it for $30 2664 01:57:32,680 --> 01:57:34,060 a meeting 2665 01:57:34,060 --> 01:57:35,859 and we have to go 2666 01:57:35,859 --> 01:57:36,680 meet up 2667 01:57:36,680 --> 01:57:37,020 and... 2668 01:57:37,020 --> 01:57:37,600 Wilmington 2669 01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:38,779 about two weeks 2670 01:57:38,779 --> 01:57:39,140 from now 2671 01:57:39,140 --> 01:57:39,899 or a week from now 2672 01:57:39,899 --> 01:57:40,579 and we have to go 2673 01:57:40,579 --> 01:57:41,340 to this thing 2674 01:57:41,340 --> 01:57:41,840 and go to that. 2675 01:57:42,119 --> 01:57:42,420 We're not going 2676 01:57:42,420 --> 01:57:42,880 to pay for anything 2677 01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:43,260 like that. 2678 01:57:43,619 --> 01:57:44,500 I don't care. 2679 01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:45,380 It doesn't matter. 2680 01:57:45,779 --> 01:57:46,100 I mean, 2681 01:57:46,279 --> 01:57:47,060 it doesn't matter. 2682 01:57:47,300 --> 01:57:48,399 I donate back 2683 01:57:48,399 --> 01:57:48,779 to the town 2684 01:57:48,779 --> 01:57:49,539 more than I get paid 2685 01:57:49,539 --> 01:57:50,319 so I don't care. 2686 01:57:51,100 --> 01:57:51,680 Well, for one, 2687 01:57:51,739 --> 01:57:52,300 they haven't taught 2688 01:57:52,300 --> 01:57:53,340 civics in high school 2689 01:57:53,340 --> 01:57:54,380 in like 30 years. 2690 01:57:54,779 --> 01:57:55,340 So the kids 2691 01:57:55,340 --> 01:57:56,640 don't even understand 2692 01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:57,500 the government 2693 01:57:57,500 --> 01:57:57,979 function. 2694 01:58:01,239 --> 01:58:01,640 Okay. 2695 01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:02,239 Well, 2696 01:58:03,779 --> 01:58:04,420 how do we 2697 01:58:04,420 --> 01:58:05,579 continue with this? 2698 01:58:05,699 --> 01:58:06,319 Continue talking 2699 01:58:06,319 --> 01:58:06,840 about it? 2700 01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:07,159 Well, 2701 01:58:07,300 --> 01:58:07,600 I'm sorry. 2702 01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:09,119 This is under 2703 01:58:09,119 --> 01:58:09,600 new business. 2704 01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:10,680 Planning commission. 2705 01:58:11,619 --> 01:58:13,220 Work on it 2706 01:58:13,220 --> 01:58:14,520 or just let it go 2707 01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:15,180 and... 2708 01:58:15,180 --> 01:58:16,420 It's a conversation 2709 01:58:16,420 --> 01:58:17,380 that we can move on. 2710 01:58:18,119 --> 01:58:18,380 You know, 2711 01:58:19,020 --> 01:58:19,979 move the meeting. 2712 01:58:20,619 --> 01:58:20,880 You know, 2713 01:58:21,039 --> 01:58:21,739 we'll talk about 2714 01:58:21,739 --> 01:58:22,520 we'll think about 2715 01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:22,899 all this 2716 01:58:22,899 --> 01:58:23,460 and go on. 2717 01:58:23,539 --> 01:58:24,619 How can we do this? 2718 01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:25,239 How can we work on this? 2719 01:58:25,239 --> 01:58:25,819 It's too much 2720 01:58:25,819 --> 01:58:26,659 to make a decision 2721 01:58:26,659 --> 01:58:26,920 anyways. 2722 01:58:26,920 --> 01:58:28,260 A lot of the 2723 01:58:28,260 --> 01:58:29,000 complaints about 2724 01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:29,359 the whole 2725 01:58:29,359 --> 01:58:30,159 no permit needed 2726 01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:31,079 thing comes from 2727 01:58:31,079 --> 01:58:32,699 like the wrong spot. 2728 01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:33,600 It's really about 2729 01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:34,439 disgruntledness 2730 01:58:34,439 --> 01:58:35,260 and hatred 2731 01:58:35,260 --> 01:58:35,960 of other people 2732 01:58:35,960 --> 01:58:36,859 and various things 2733 01:58:36,859 --> 01:58:37,279 like that. 2734 01:58:39,890 --> 01:58:40,170 You know, 2735 01:58:40,229 --> 01:58:40,329 it's a... 2736 01:58:40,329 --> 01:58:40,350 It's a... 2737 01:58:40,350 --> 01:58:41,029 It's really got nothing 2738 01:58:41,029 --> 01:58:41,550 to do with the 2739 01:58:41,550 --> 01:58:42,350 no permit needed 2740 01:58:42,350 --> 01:58:42,630 thing. 2741 01:58:42,750 --> 01:58:43,329 It's just hatred 2742 01:58:43,329 --> 01:58:44,149 for certain people. 2743 01:58:47,420 --> 01:58:47,739 Okay. 2744 01:58:48,420 --> 01:58:49,159 That's it. 2745 01:58:49,619 --> 01:58:50,479 Under new business, 2746 01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:52,399 Lori received 2747 01:58:52,399 --> 01:58:53,100 a resignation 2748 01:58:53,100 --> 01:58:54,319 yesterday 2749 01:58:54,319 --> 01:58:56,460 to the select board. 2750 01:58:57,460 --> 01:58:58,539 The time has come 2751 01:58:58,539 --> 01:58:59,579 that I must step down 2752 01:58:59,579 --> 01:59:00,640 as assessor clerk. 2753 01:59:00,859 --> 01:59:01,500 My last day 2754 01:59:01,500 --> 01:59:02,100 will be 2755 01:59:02,100 --> 01:59:03,739 November 7th 2756 01:59:03,739 --> 01:59:05,100 of Sally Wohl. 2757 01:59:05,579 --> 01:59:06,680 So she's resigning 2758 01:59:06,680 --> 01:59:07,699 as assessor clerk. 2759 01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:09,220 So we need 2760 01:59:09,220 --> 01:59:10,140 to advertise 2761 01:59:10,140 --> 01:59:11,119 for something 2762 01:59:11,119 --> 01:59:11,979 for that. 2763 01:59:12,380 --> 01:59:12,720 Well, 2764 01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:14,479 first thing is 2765 01:59:14,479 --> 01:59:16,020 Sally's been doing 2766 01:59:16,020 --> 01:59:17,260 this for a long time. 2767 01:59:17,859 --> 01:59:18,779 So we need to 2768 01:59:18,779 --> 01:59:20,210 write a very nice letter 2769 01:59:20,210 --> 01:59:27,899 to whoever 2770 01:59:27,899 --> 01:59:30,970 to take this over. 2771 01:59:31,250 --> 01:59:50,909 I hope to... 2772 01:59:50,909 --> 01:59:51,909 So we'll put in the minutes 2773 01:59:51,909 --> 01:59:53,130 if anyone's interested. 2774 01:59:53,670 --> 01:59:54,630 And I think we still 2775 01:59:54,630 --> 01:59:56,369 have the list of duties. 2776 01:59:56,829 --> 02:00:03,159 Who's in charge of... 2777 02:00:03,159 --> 02:00:03,619 We are. 2778 02:00:08,649 --> 02:00:09,550 Raise your hand. 2779 02:00:09,689 --> 02:00:10,729 She works for us. 2780 02:00:11,170 --> 02:00:11,829 She works for us. 2781 02:00:12,289 --> 02:00:19,619 Any other new business? 2782 02:00:20,079 --> 02:00:23,159 I make a motion 2783 02:00:23,159 --> 02:00:23,859 to go into 2784 02:00:23,859 --> 02:00:26,779 executive... 2785 02:00:26,779 --> 02:00:27,779 Personnel matter 2786 02:00:27,779 --> 02:00:28,319 and 2787 02:00:28,319 --> 02:00:30,119 pending or probable 2788 02:00:30,119 --> 02:00:30,539 ... 2789 02:00:30,539 --> 02:00:31,680 civil litigation. 2790 02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:38,859 Joanie sent you this. 2791 02:00:38,859 --> 02:00:39,460 They messed up 2792 02:00:39,460 --> 02:00:40,760 and sent a duplicate copy 2793 02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:41,260 this month. 2794 02:00:41,260 --> 02:00:48,699 Ooh, nice chestnuts. 2795 02:00:48,699 --> 02:00:49,600 We're on gibberish. 2796 02:00:49,600 --> 02:00:50,260 You got it? 2797 02:00:50,260 --> 02:00:51,000 Chestnuts. 2798 02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:51,899 Oh, they take... 2799 02:00:51,899 --> 02:00:52,399 Wait a minute. 2800 02:00:52,399 --> 02:00:52,899 Wait a minute. 2801 02:00:52,899 --> 02:00:53,619 What's she got you 2802 02:00:53,619 --> 02:00:54,399 signing now? 2803 02:00:54,399 --> 02:00:55,000 A blank check? 2804 02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:55,500 Yeah. 2805 02:00:55,500 --> 02:00:56,000 Yeah. 2806 02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:56,500 I'm sorry. 2807 02:00:56,500 --> 02:00:57,199 I'm walking one day. 2808 02:00:57,199 --> 02:00:57,699 Yeah. 2809 02:00:57,699 --> 02:00:58,199 Thank you. 2810 02:00:58,199 --> 02:00:58,699 You're welcome. 2811 02:00:58,699 --> 02:00:59,199 You're welcome. 2812 02:00:59,199 --> 02:00:59,699 You're welcome. 2813 02:00:59,699 --> 02:01:00,199 I'm going to have to sign it. 2814 02:01:00,199 --> 02:01:00,699 I saw that. 2815 02:01:00,699 --> 02:01:01,199 I saw that. 2816 02:01:01,199 --> 02:01:01,699 It's like... 2817 02:01:01,699 --> 02:01:02,199 Oh, my God. 2818 02:01:02,199 --> 02:01:02,699 Oh, my God. 2819 02:01:02,699 --> 02:01:03,199 Oh, my God. 2820 02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:03,699 Oh, my God. 2821 02:01:03,699 --> 02:01:04,199 Oh, my God. 2822 02:01:04,199 --> 02:01:04,699 Oh, my God. 2823 02:01:04,699 --> 02:01:05,199 Oh, my God. 2824 02:01:05,199 --> 02:01:07,699 You want to kill it? 2825 02:01:07,699 --> 02:01:08,699 You like it. 2826 02:01:08,699 --> 02:01:09,199 Yeah. 2827 02:01:09,199 --> 02:01:09,899 You want to kill it. 2828 02:01:09,899 --> 02:01:10,399 Yeah. 2829 02:01:10,399 --> 02:01:10,899 Yeah. 2830 02:01:10,899 --> 02:01:11,399 Yeah. 2831 02:01:11,399 --> 02:01:11,899 Lisa. 2832 02:01:11,899 --> 02:01:12,399 Lisa. 2833 02:01:12,399 --> 02:01:12,899 Oh, I'm sorry. 2834 02:01:12,899 --> 02:01:13,399 I'm sorry. 2835 02:01:13,399 --> 02:01:13,899 No worries. 2836 02:01:13,899 --> 02:01:15,560 Oh, I'll get you some. 2837 02:01:15,560 --> 02:01:16,260 See ya. 2838 02:01:16,260 --> 02:01:17,439 I wish I had a ring. 2839 02:01:17,439 --> 02:01:18,859 Chop it. 2840 02:01:18,859 --> 02:01:20,199 I got a transaction. 2841 02:01:20,199 --> 02:01:21,399 Let's have these. 2842 02:01:21,399 --> 02:01:21,840 Oh. 2843 02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:22,340 Oh, yeah. 2844 02:01:22,340 --> 02:01:22,939 Yeah. 2845 02:01:22,939 --> 02:01:23,560 Let's take care. 2846 02:01:23,560 --> 02:01:24,060 Okay. 2847 02:01:24,060 --> 02:01:24,560 All right. 2848 02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:26,899 I'm sorry. 2849 02:01:26,899 --> 02:01:27,500 No, you're fine. 2850 02:01:27,500 --> 02:01:28,060 All right. 2851 02:01:28,060 --> 02:01:28,560 All right. 2852 02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:29,060 Okay. 2853 02:01:29,060 --> 02:01:30,300 I was just waiting to buy. 2854 02:01:30,300 --> 02:01:31,859 I was just waiting to buy. 2855 02:01:31,859 --> 02:01:33,050 We were going to... 2856 02:01:33,050 --> 02:01:34,109 I was going to ask you 2857 02:01:34,109 --> 02:01:35,050 to come in and check it. 2858 02:01:35,050 --> 02:01:35,550 Okay. 2859 02:01:35,550 --> 02:01:35,590 Okay. 2860 02:01:35,590 --> 02:01:35,609 Okay. 2861 02:01:35,609 --> 02:01:37,270 Just to see if...