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You ready? Yes.

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Oh, that's going to hurt me now.

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Stanford Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Welcome to a meeting of the Stanford Select Board.

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If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda,

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you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address.

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You will notice that our meetings are recorded,

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and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes.

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Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor

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and 15 minutes per topic.

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Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others.

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Select Board members present are...

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Mike Denault.

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Nancy Bishica.

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Doug Wright.

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Will there be any adding of items or removing of items

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from tonight's meeting?

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On tonight's agenda.

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I have additional questions.

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No, just old as this.

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Will there be any adjustments to the agenda,

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such as changing the order of items?

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And Jeb is recording tonight's meeting for his YouTube video.

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Okay.

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First on the agenda is Bennington County Solid Waste Alliance,

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and Scott is here from the BCRC.

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Hi, Scott.

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How are you?

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Scott Grim-Lyons.

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Yes.

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And he is here to talk about our solid waste implementation plan.

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That we have to approve every 10 years?

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Five years.

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Five years.

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Five year cycle.

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So every five years, the state updates their materials management plan,

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and then at the local level, we have to react to that

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and update our current plans so that everything meets current state requirements.

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So what the Bennington County Solid Waste Alliance is doing,

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we have to update our current plans.

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So what the Bennington County Solid Waste Alliance is doing,

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our new project,

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our next strong macro-offensive action system,

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how do you assess weighted carbon spending?

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So a question I had been asking to some of the leads

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was through your presentation,

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how do you see all these efforts going away?

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I think the number one priority is in our expenses management diagram.

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And what's happening here is various

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supermarket alliances is a standard is one of 15 towns

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that are all part of an interlocal contracts to share services related

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to solid-waste, largely, solid-waste education, solid-waste outreach,

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teaching, you know,

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towns and um transfer stations uh be compliant uh with um with those sort of state laws so

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um what this plan does is outlines how we how we expect to spend the next five years in order to

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meet all the state requirements and to keep the budget uh as low as possible when it comes to

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uh creating a um managing as always for the area and meeting state requirements related to these

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things um the plan itself is fairly formulaic uh the state gives us a template um and a lot of it is

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us kind of just doing uh division and a little bit of math figuring out um how many businesses

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we need to visit a year how many um etc you know uh how many how many how do we meet these

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requirements that the states basically set out um and then uh you know i'm just here kind of to um

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choose it to let you guys know that you know i'm here and um solid waste alliance is is accountable

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to the people of stanford and um if you guys have any questions about the way we operate and uh you

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know this is sort of our next five years planning planning of operation and i'm happy to uh you know

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talk with uh talk with everyone about this um as stat said there's 13 towns we formed an alliance

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probably 10 15 years ago about 2004 i'm 2014 excuse me

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we the town of stanford could not do this on our own because there's so many laws and rules

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and just having the solid waste has helped the household solid waste day cost

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how the town could not afford at least ten thousand dollars and we were gonna have to

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have two a year and now it was up to three a year so uh we we can't do it alone that's why

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all these small towns formed this alliance with the bcrc implementing

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all this right and there are a number of small towns that are also uh you know are part of this

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too so small towns like rupert and you know dorset and um stanford um are all um you know

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some of our smaller member towns uh all of our budget is paid for based on proportional to

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population size so um you guys have actually you guys have a uh smaller portion of our budget yes

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you guys are about five percent because you guys are about five percent of the population

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so um yeah so uh other questions from the select board and i can ask of course from the public

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because since there was one municipal sewer or this is recycling trash paint cans um hazardous

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household hazards yeah and so everyone here has the ability um you know on uh mondays we operate

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a household hazardous waste collection facility at the town of bennington transfer station uh folks are

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um able to come it's five dollars per citizen to uh dispose of up to 15 gallons of you know paint

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uh bleach chemicals antifreeze whatever you got uh in your garage or uh you know um underneath

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your sink that you're looking to get rid of um you know we make sure that stuff is collected

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properly it doesn't uh go to the landfill it doesn't end up in our water in our water system

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um and uh what gets recycled we can recycle what needs to be incinerated be incinerated

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and use it on mondays uh between every monday every monday between uh yeah so we opened up

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a permit facility we used to have one day uh a year we'd have an event in reedsboro um one

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day a year we'd have an event in georgia one day a year we haven't been in bennington but uh what

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we did recently is we uh we got a grant from the state we got a big locker trailer uh we set up uh

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you know about a quarter acre space at the bank transfer station that's just for us we manage that

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and uh all those all the citizens are welcome to come and uh we're going to have a great time

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come on Mondays and drop off we're open between 9 30 a.m. and 4 p.m. and you can

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go to our website yeah that's what I'm just going to say go on their website

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BC our website or and any other questions you have about trash disposal

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where to get rid of stuff managing our website is also part of our

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Pam had a question a real estate agent you know when people sell their homes

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they have to be cleaned out and you know I go in and I find in people's homes

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where children are present really really people have people have chemicals

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from the 40s the 50s I mean really bad bad stuff in their home and it's really

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dangerous so I just want to advocate for people to take advantage of this thing

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you keep doing it and people take advantage and really just get this stuff

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and get it disposed of get out of your house and get it and you can carpool I

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mean $5 maybe you have only a couple paint cans or you know ask your neighbor

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whoever's going to Bennington make an appointment and if you have an old house

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and you have something that looks like a light bulb full of liquid hanging above

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your boiler you want to dispose of that carefully that's carbon checker fluoride

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that's basically mustard gas if that drops so it will put the fire out if

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your you know boiler catches on fire

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but it will also knock anyone around any other questions for Scott so you have

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the plan with you tonight or does Laurie have the plan is right here basically I

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just need an action by the select board to say we approve the plan and I can get

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a copy of the minutes that say that or I can have the signature sheet that I

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shared earlier yeah what is my they have a motion to motion say okay all in favor

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aye Aye

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approve the plan for another five years thank you very much

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it goes by very fast thank you Scott

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thank you

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alright uh it's pretty entertaining right um hearing the visitors then C.J.

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I have a couple three I have to commend Dave on the back roads

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I drive Klondike Road and county roads everyday now

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and this is the wedding part

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spring i remember and those girls absolutely number two is for mr wright i'm curious about

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the call to the fire marshal when you called how did you introduce yourself at some point i gave

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him my name where i lived where i came from at some point i did mention i was on the select

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board in town the big question seems to be did i ask them to come down and i did not in fact

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uh that's not my question i did mention that i was like board member i did not say that i was

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i don't know i can't speak for an assumption i can't speak for an assumption well i'm wondering

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if i called him i don't know i don't know again that's speculation too it is speculation but

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then it's something more than sure but in the light of the current

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i think with the new where someone might represent themselves as a board member

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whether intentionally or not and not clarify that that can then be discussed in his actual session

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and the people of the town will never know what transpired if the if the person was clear

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if the person was spoken to uh so i think i would like if you can i don't know if you can add to them

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minutes after that issue is resolved of the executive session i think should be made public

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so that there's transparency in town and everybody knows either the person was in the right or the

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person was in the wrong can i ask you a question i don't know i don't know what mr jacobowski told

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you i have not talked to him okay well then everything you're getting is what you've heard

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so let me point this out everything i got was from you at the selection that's the only information i had i did

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that i called again i did not say i was calling on behalf i did tell him all i wanted was the

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information was their permits that's all and if he said yeah it would have entered there if he said

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no then i would have come back and mentioned it to the rest of the board that's the sad part this

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whole thing is just kind of marked i hoped it could be settled by calling and i've asked and

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i think that'll be verified on some of the videotapes

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i did ask a couple questions regarding the place up there regarding the church more specifically

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and i was told no that's that's a state thing we don't deal with it so where's the logical place

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you go for information to the state and that was my intention and that's okay let me finish

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if he decided to come down i don't know if he told you or told anybody else

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i did call him back and tell him i made a second call i left the message i hopefully he got it

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and i said all i wanted to know was is there a permit there was no need for him to come down

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so to say i called him down is not accurate we can speculate all day about what he thought what

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he thought i'm responsible for what i say but i'm not always responsible for how people take it

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you're also responsible for it don't well we can go back so in the two meetings that i've watched

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i have not seen you apologize at all for the miscommunication and i think you owe no i don't

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i don't believe i regret that it happened i regret that it blew up to this okay but i was asking no

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wait a minute but i was acting in good faith i was not trying you can disagree i was acting in

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good faith i was trying to keep it at a minimum we did have an instance where somebody came and

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spoke to you hopefully i would use better decorum than they did but look we're going to go back and

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look what it turned into you know the incident so that's where i'm going to look at it that's

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and people can conclude what they want but it goes back to it goes back to

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um a member of the board acting alone as opposed to a member of the board acting with the board so

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when i was on the board many times there were discussions between the five of us

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we had an issue it might have been about the windmills it might have been about

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something we always we always talked amongst ourselves and said who's going to make the phone

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call and it was a joint decision to make a phone call in order to do something as opposed to one

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board member deciding that they were going to take it upon themselves behind everyone's back

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and represent themselves as a select board member i don't believe that was the intent can i respond

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to that

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if you remember i sat here at the last meeting and i took full ownership of what i did

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i didn't have to say anything i could have sat here so i owned it okay let's finish that uh

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stephanie well you got a different topic right the third one all right this can you hold on

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different side because the discussion of the second topic then we can go to the third topic

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stephanie is just about is it okay

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i did meet with the fire marshal very nice and he did feel that he needed to come down i don't i'm

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just repeating face to face what i got from him he did declare no permit necessary he also made

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the comment about he didn't understand the change of youth situation because there was not that either

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and that he was because he came down

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business going to come to the town and file a report he didn't send me a report

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he was on his way down here to file a report so which brings me to a second

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piece that I want to add in later but it's also like all these little things

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are kind of adding up and I'm curious about the finances that are incurred by

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stuff that is like unnecessary but that's another topic so that part is

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clear no permit was needed everything's fine according to the state we're good

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okay can I mention something to you in the conversation and I'm very specific

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about this I mean this is what happened I called I told him I'm concerned and I

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asked you know is there any permits and it was he who said well he says it

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sounds like I probably ought to make the call and go down and check and like

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everybody else I'm not sure what happened but I'm not sure what happened

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but I'm not sure what happened but I'm not sure what happened

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I said I did call back and leave a message to clarify I did not ask for a

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inspection I just want to know was there a permit like I said I'm trying to keep

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this at the lowest level is there a permit or is there that I think we need

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to have a level of decorum I'm going to ask for that but I do beg to differ in that the

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lowest common denominator would have been to come and

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say hey you guys have a permit do you need one do you know if you need one and

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then I could have been like wow I don't know let me call the guy that would have

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been on me and I and I would have done that so that would have been actually the

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lowest well I do it a different I could be this way here it would have just

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involved me and him and if you gave me the answer no I don't I don't maybe I'm

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wrong but I don't feel like it okay

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what do you mean you and him you're off this list

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you can't look can I finish yeah response since you served two terms on

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the board you can probably know that in the statute among other things it says

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that the planning or that the select board is responsible for oversight and

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that was part of what I was doing also there's three things that you cannot do

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individually you cannot legislate you cannot be judicial

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execute and that's that's the only thing that we are hold healthy by statute if

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I'm wrong fine look it up I'm sure you will and come back but those are the

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only three things unhealthy could have been done better yet it probably could

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have I haven't enjoyed this any more than you get but I was doing what I

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thought was right and I did nothing wrong I did nothing believe so you go

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ahead does this mean that I can't ask Deb if somebody needs a permit which I

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did and we but you said you were just on your own you did tell me that you were

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very specific after I came back to you yep you said no this is just me this is

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just me as a citizen I know that I've heard might stay at pay this is just me

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you

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asking the question as a citizen not part of this right different questions I

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100% agree and Doug I know you're new but I definitely don't think anybody

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should be saying hey I'm from Stanford select I did not right right that's what

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he said that he didn't say this so after yes after after I called well that's

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right

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okay I think you know something you don't even I would tell her I regret that

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it got to this level it was not intended but I will also say I was acting I think

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within my ugly within my balance I was trying to do so I regret any bad

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feelings that you get through at this point how it's up but I'm very very sad

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and it is said that people cannot just transparently be strained and they will be

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straightforward. That people cannot just come up and say, hey, what are you guys doing? Hey, what's going on? We're all approachable. And I said this before, it was on recording before, I'm going to say it again. The one time that that situation blew up had nothing to do with me. That was a weird situation. And I was the one attacked. I wasn't the attacker. I had to stand there and take a barrage of bullying. That was insane and ridiculous.

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Okay. So that's not on me. I feel like the very, very sad thing is that people are sitting where you feel like it's in the best interest to, it's kind of like, let's go behind everybody's back. Don't anybody be straightforward. Don't go straight to the person and ask direct questions. And that is just weird to me. And I think it just is a, we should do better. We should do better. That's all.

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Let's go, Christian.

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We don't want that. Everybody else, because I'm going to talk about the same thing, but I just want to, we should learn. So the last meeting, I did mention that I personally, personally, that's how I think we should go about it as a town is to be more friendly as a town. And when people are doing projects, and I can tell you, I've been on board quite a long time now, and I'm learning. And when you don't know, or you aren't sure, you can tell me.

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Ask. And if there's a person doing something, we have, we hire someone to go check on things, right? So we call up a person. But yes, if I'm driving by, I've talked to you many times. And we can just ask questions. I think that's the simplest way. That's just my opinion. I'm not a big fan of calling a state. That being said, and you can have your opinion. I have my opinion. One of the things that I read the unbelievable amounts of emails and letters.

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And personal emails that I got, and it's kind of getting to the point where I'm like, this is overwhelming. But one of the things I took out of the email, I won't say who wrote it, we should learn from our mistakes. If there's not a something in the process, or if we don't have a policy, and we come across it, we learned our lesson with the signs we did, we never thought in a million years, we'd go for that through all that.

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With that damn sign. And we didn't know the answers. We finally found the answers. But it took us two years to find out. Same thing with this. If we don't know what our policies are, if we don't know what the board should be doing, you know, you say, legislative, judicial, executive, that's for interpretation. So when you execute something, I interpret it as you're doing something you're doing, you're going out, you're making a decision, you're doing something, you know, or when you're making a decision,

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that you feel this is what the right thing to do, the decision, that's a judicial part of it, you're saying, okay, I decided that this is against the law. Right? Police officers do that a lot. And they go out there and they do it. I was a police officer, you were a police officer, he thinks he was. And I'm sorry. No, but I like to lighten it up a little bit, because this is serious. But I mean, guys, we live in this town together. You know, so when I'm what I'm saying is, is when we're not sure,

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we can bring it to this board, we can ask the question, the plan of boards the same way, the commissions, whatever that other one is, zoning, conservation, all them things. They come to their boards, they do it, find out. And I think that as a board, we can talk about this later, we can say, okay, does this fall in our policies, whether it's our slut board policies, or ethics policy, and see if it's there. If it's not, talk about it, see what we can do.

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So that's what we think. One thing I do commend you, Doug, is you do regret it. You said you regret it. I know it's a hard thing for anyone to say, I'm sorry. Ask my wife. I don't think she's ever said it. But when you, when we make mistakes, and you did say, you said, it could have went better. That's good. You're right. It could have went better. All of this could have been avoided. It could have went better. And that I think that's a great thing that you understand that and the rest of us.

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Understand that. Let's learn from that mistake and move on. The fire marshal, I did ask Laurie just now, did he report? There was no permit needed. Everything's fine. I'm sorry that you had to go through that because I wish that we could have said, okay, is there, for what you're doing, is there a permit needed? And we should know that. And if we don't know it, we should go find out the information and get back to you. Not the other way. So, and it's such a shoe.

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Everyone in this town should be treated the same way. Everyone. Not because you lived here one day or forever or really forever. So that's how I feel. And I think that when we sit down, you know, when it comes to the executive session we're having, there's other things that will be addressed. I assure you as a board member that the things that I have been reading will be addressed in that executive session. It may take weeks before we come to a decision.

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I'm not going to come up with an answer because there's a lot of individuals involved with us. But when it comes to this matter, I think it's done. I hope that it doesn't have, you know, the way it happened. I hope it changes. And I'm going to at least bring it up in our executive session and say, there are some things we can't bring out in the Republican session. And when we do make a decision, and I assure you, when we do make a decision, it does come out. We say, okay, this is what we, the action was taken.

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Sometimes there's no action. And we say, okay, this is it in the best interest of the town. There's some things that, you know, people just call people names and everything. What am I going to say? It's crazy. Sure. I agree. I agree. I like transparency. I do. I like it. You know, I mean, to me, that's one thing I can tell you is I'm never behind anyone's back ever. I don't believe he was intending that at all. I just think that when a lot of people put their mind to something and they think they're doing the right thing and then later they go, okay,

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no, maybe I could have done better. That's fine. Hopefully this is behind us. I hope it is at least because there's bigger and worse things that we need to take care of tonight. They're about the same situation. We have to, as a board, I feel we're responsible for a hell of a lot in this town. And again, I'm learning. I don't know everything. That's for damn sure. But when I see something that we don't know, let's figure it out because this is serious. This is bad stuff.

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And we start talking to say, who's in charge of this town? We need to start bucking around. Okay. Sorry. About the same subject or I'll let Chris go on. No, I'm going to change the subject. Okay. Well, CJ has one more. That's okay. Just in light of how we're digging back in the history about permits and things like that, we have on our books in the state of Vermont, any car that's in some of the yard needs to be registered. We have

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I found 15 so far, cars unregistered in people's driveways, yards, as well as we still have a junk yard in a floodplain that has not been addressed. And that was going all the way back to Ron Block.

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Deb, do you want to respond? I'm with you.

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I didn't mean to come off partial.

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There are several things that need to be addressed, which I am addressing.

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that's one of them unfortunately our bylaws no longer say unregistered it just says even operable

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but our bylaws just say inoperable so once again do i call the same to

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our bylaws and then why do we have our bylaws if the state was continually going to

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quantify bylaws because it would change it used to say registered i would look up the state by

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the state law because the state trumps the bylaw always it does so why do we why do we have

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anything bylaws should only be stronger it's more stringent not less they're not so

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by the way you didn't mean there are very few things

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in fact i can't think of one

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anything in our bylaws that's stronger than the state so do we call the state for all these junk

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cars that are around we need to just i guess i guess from now on i should just mention the state

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and then we're going to so so there this gets back to our discussion a whole year ago on how

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a zoning administrator should be compensated not just on permits issues as a zoning enforcement

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contractor but also the state literally says yes to what the state is doing and then they

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have to look at everything that's happening and they're not going to just be saying that

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the state is going to do a lot of work for the state to get them to view and that it's

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not just the state and they're going to use their own ideas to do a lot of work for the state

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and then i don't know how that will affect the state but that that's just another thing

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by the way but a lot of times you know if if the state lets go of you know if they decide to move

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Or do we now start to drive around and cite people who have a camper sitting there that hasn't moved in six months?

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Or a piece of junk out in front of their yard that they could technically take.

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There are so many things.

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So these are important discussions to have with the Planning Commission.

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Yeah, I agree with you, CJ, 100%.

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The junkyard is bothering me, just because it's been 20 years.

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If you look at it from Google Earth, you can see the time.

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Yes, things have not changed.

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But that was all I say.

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David, again, thank you for the wonderful job that I've seen.

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Thank you all for your time.

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Jim.

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Yeah, I want to piggyback on what Deb was saying.

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First off, we don't have any ordinances.

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And so automobiles fall under ordinances, not zoning.

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The junkyard, that's another story.

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Again, an ordinance.

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We don't have anybody to enforce ordinances here.

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So there's no sense that even right now we don't have anybody to enforce them.

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You're not going to get a zoning administrator to go and tell us.

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I was told, blatantly, to go and tell the gentleman up here on Main Road to clean his front yard.

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And I had it that way, like an idiot.

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On my way, I started thinking, I'm not telling somebody to clean their yard.

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That's not my job.

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Period.

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So if we need to get some ordinance together, then that's what we need to do.

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I'll be more than happy to help anybody with that or anybody else.

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I'm committing, I'm doing just nothing but ordinances.

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But that's on you guys.

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So how do we enforce it?

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You just said we can't enforce the ordinance.

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You have to have an ordinance enforcement officer.

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Each one of you guys are.

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I was when I was a zoning administrator.

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She is.

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We all can issue the tickets.

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Exactly.

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And so you have a citation.

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You guys can go.

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You can write citations.

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You have to have a point.

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You can appoint somebody to do it.

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So that's on that.

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But I mean, that can come up along the line at some other point, but it's been up a lot with ordinances.

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Again, I don't know if you guys can see what I'm talking about when it comes to zoning.

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You look at the state laws and regulations.

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It doesn't say anything about moving cars.

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It's zoning.

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Campground.

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That's a different thing.

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Do we have ordinances or not ordinances?

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Do we have bylaws for a campground?

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Does it say it in our bylaws about campgrounds?

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It talks about campgrounds.

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It doesn't get into.

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No, it doesn't.

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There's nothing in our bylaws that has anything with any teeth that we can enforce.

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So, again, they were over at our meeting, a meeting one day.

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The BCS.

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Yeah.

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So they were over and the gentleman.

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Informed us of the town plan coming up and so that we're going to get within two years.

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So we're going to have to start thinking about that along the lines.

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But more importantly, apply for that grant to do the town plan.

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And secondly, I also found out that they will also do another grant for us for the bylaws.

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So maybe we get that grant, get them up here and support our changing of the bylaws.

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Do some ordinances that they'll, they're going to, they want to do this.

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So I think, you know, let's do it and that's that.

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So what I really wanted to say was that the sign thing, it's, it's basically put the rest, put the sign off, do the thing.

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I sent some, I dropped off paperwork for Lori to sign a permit and file a permit with the state.

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Okay.

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It's called an 11.

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11.

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It enables us to work in the zone.

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Yes, there is an easement there.

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Fair enough.

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Dave was right.

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But we can put the sign there.

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It's been there for years.

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And pretty much every little town on Route 108, any highway or whatever else, the state has an easement on public property.

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So this is nothing abnormal.

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I talked to the main guy, project manager.

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He says, absolutely.

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Who's enforcing this?

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Anyways, we won't go there, but anyways, we have the paperwork to fill out and send in and he said, put the sign in.

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I told him we want the old sign up on the roof.

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I just said that.

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I just said it.

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If we decide not to do it.

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Find a neon.

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No.

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Did she know that it's down here?

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I didn't see until the end of last week.

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It's pretty heavy.

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How did it get down here?

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I picked it up and brought it down.

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So yeah.

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Got me on camera.

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I told them what we wanted to do.

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We wanted to put the sign on the building.

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It's pretty heavy.

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On the peak.

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On two different directions so that people know it's in the backyard over here.

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And I want a parking spot that says sled board.

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That would be another sign.

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Okay.

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No problem.

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Well, we'll look over the paperwork from Lori and see what we have.

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Thank you.

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I want to hear some real noise.

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30 years ago, we had an administrator that enforced that.

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But it's not working.

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It's not working.

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It's not working.

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It's not working.

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It's not working.

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It's not working.

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It's not working.

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It's not working.

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It's not working.

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It's not working.

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It's not working.

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And Russ Clough raised an awful lot of noise.

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I mean, things were...

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I have to say, 38 years ago when I first moved here, some people in this room were...

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A lot of people.

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I mean, things were...

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A tight ship was run.

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There was a group of people that made sure that we could work and get the money.

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Yeah.

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this town stayed nice and that has not been so all those vehicles that are up on the back roads that

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are thought at least 50 to 100 years old they didn't see those yeah i don't i disagree it's

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just this main road is what people have to continue no but it's just it's this main road

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people see things and when it comes between a junk car and art i can't tell the difference anymore

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but down north adam's see what they call art you know we had some bed posts or whatever the hell

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you call it down the road here i mean they say you know ours are cars with flowers out of them

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oh that's funny yeah so we you know i personally think if your neighbor complains i hope the

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neighbors talk to each other it's to get into that is there's so many cars in the shop right

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yeah what's next thank you

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wait yeah yes okay 15 minutes

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i'm sitting in courtesy i had something wrong right now but i would like i know you can't do

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a motion tonight but i feel that this dba meeting should not move you can't jump protocol i'd like

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to know how there are two how there are two separate items on just for a meeting

412
00:40:17,659 --> 00:40:28,519
for an appeal that no permit issue so i really want to know is this the best use of the challenge

413
00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:38,329
i think so sending out all of these certified letters to the butters jumping protocol why did

414
00:40:38,329 --> 00:40:48,510
he have me should come through me somebody should have come to me nancy you did we talked we had it

415
00:40:48,510 --> 00:40:52,239
taken care of we didn't we didn't agree but we didn't make a deal we did make an agreement we're

416
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,820
i didn't agree but we didn't argue but that was quick i'm sorry deb i gotta jump in here too

417
00:40:57,820 --> 00:41:05,239
the conversation you had with her was a long quite a ways before this yeah and and the state

418
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:14,420
law says that the zba exists basically for hearing of denials by the al right all right

419
00:41:14,420 --> 00:41:21,340
the zoning administrator she did not deny anything i denied nothing i was requested nothing

420
00:41:21,340 --> 00:41:32,570
um and then i heard well there's been the reason is because there was precedent set

421
00:41:32,989 --> 00:41:39,730
okay if that's the road we're going down you guys are opening a huge can of worms with precedent

422
00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:45,949
because i started running down all of the precedents that were set in the past that

423
00:41:45,949 --> 00:41:50,510
i don't follow because they're not in our lives i don't know if this is i don't know

424
00:41:50,510 --> 00:41:51,869
pertains to it but

425
00:41:51,909 --> 00:41:54,829
But didn't I ask this a while back with the sign?

426
00:41:54,949 --> 00:41:57,030
I hate people bringing that up again with the sign up.

427
00:41:57,349 --> 00:42:00,090
But didn't I ask how long can we go back?

428
00:42:00,150 --> 00:42:01,170
And didn't you say forever?

429
00:42:01,429 --> 00:42:02,409
You can't go back.

430
00:42:02,769 --> 00:42:03,949
Because there's no number?

431
00:42:04,769 --> 00:42:05,130
Wasn't that?

432
00:42:05,389 --> 00:42:06,269
It's ridiculous.

433
00:42:06,389 --> 00:42:07,170
That is a can of worms.

434
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:11,409
But there can't be an appeal to the ZBA if no permit is added.

435
00:42:11,469 --> 00:42:11,949
Right.

436
00:42:12,130 --> 00:42:12,809
How would they know?

437
00:42:13,050 --> 00:42:14,250
How would they know?

438
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:16,929
So just like the sign.

439
00:42:17,170 --> 00:42:17,510
Right.

440
00:42:18,010 --> 00:42:21,030
Let's follow the procedure.

441
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:23,650
And I will still give the same answer.

442
00:42:23,809 --> 00:42:25,090
And I'll say it here on tape.

443
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:25,869
I don't care.

444
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,900
But if you want the procedure, follow.

445
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,099
Let's do it.

446
00:42:30,179 --> 00:42:32,699
But let's stop this meeting coming up.

447
00:42:33,099 --> 00:42:34,219
Because it is.

448
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:38,429
Well, I don't think we can stop it, Jeff.

449
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:39,789
Because it has gone to the ZBA.

450
00:42:39,789 --> 00:42:40,909
Who authorized it?

451
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:41,909
The ZBA.

452
00:42:42,190 --> 00:42:42,389
It's gone to them.

453
00:42:42,389 --> 00:42:43,170
No, no, no, no.

454
00:42:43,329 --> 00:42:44,449
You can't just take it.

455
00:42:44,449 --> 00:42:44,869
Exactly.

456
00:42:44,869 --> 00:42:50,869
Somebody just can't come to the window and say, I want to have a meeting with the ZBA.

457
00:42:51,289 --> 00:42:51,610
I agree.

458
00:42:51,610 --> 00:42:52,070
You can't.

459
00:42:52,070 --> 00:42:52,090
You can't.

460
00:42:52,090 --> 00:42:52,670
You can't do that.

461
00:42:52,769 --> 00:42:53,030
I agree.

462
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:55,570
So you think it's up to us to stop the meeting?

463
00:42:55,570 --> 00:42:55,889
No.

464
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:56,969
It's up to her.

465
00:42:57,250 --> 00:42:57,650
In a zone.

466
00:42:57,949 --> 00:43:01,150
In any permit situation, she has to deny.

467
00:43:01,309 --> 00:43:03,650
Then the person says, I want to appeal it to the ZBA.

468
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:05,949
How do you appeal something that wasn't a permit?

469
00:43:05,949 --> 00:43:07,590
Or get rid of my physician.

470
00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:10,250
Can I also add something to this?

471
00:43:10,389 --> 00:43:12,280
Because, again, guess what?

472
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,260
Guess who's involved?

473
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:14,440
Hello.

474
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,460
First of all, why is someone able to file an appeal?

475
00:43:21,179 --> 00:43:22,420
And to me, I was looking.

476
00:43:22,420 --> 00:43:24,260
I know the cost of a certified letter.

477
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:29,840
And I'm also going to speak from the perspective of being in charge of an organization that

478
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,760
answers to a board and also having to understand fiscal responsibility.

479
00:43:34,820 --> 00:43:40,920
Two different sets of certified letters went out to all of Butters for two properties.

480
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:43,739
That's, in the one hand, a lot of money.

481
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,059
If you're just trying to watch your nickels and dimes, which we should be.

482
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:49,519
Put it in the same envelope.

483
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,559
You know, that's taxpayers' money.

484
00:43:51,699 --> 00:43:52,400
So there's that one.

485
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:59,699
But the second thing is, I know in my job, if I were to send out something like that,

486
00:44:00,139 --> 00:44:05,579
without verifying whether or not the information in it was accurate,

487
00:44:07,179 --> 00:44:13,340
so that the letter went out, the letters went out, the information in it is completely false,

488
00:44:14,019 --> 00:44:18,420
and it lists two other situations that make no sense.

489
00:44:18,619 --> 00:44:22,900
They went out to our Butters, my neighbors, that don't know me.

490
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:26,079
Now suddenly have these weird two certified letters.

491
00:44:26,659 --> 00:44:32,460
Do they, unless they come to that meeting, they don't get to know the truth of the situation

492
00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:39,179
or what's actually accurate with the landscape or, I mean, the information is just completely false.

493
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,440
So we now have a meeting happening, which I'm inclined to go to,

494
00:44:44,739 --> 00:44:47,260
but where is my chance to send out a certified mail?

495
00:44:47,460 --> 00:44:48,880
Like, I want to be able to do that.

496
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,219
Where's my chance to let people hear that?

497
00:44:52,420 --> 00:44:52,880
Wait a minute.

498
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:54,980
The information in this letter is inaccurate.

499
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:59,579
All where the land is, where the water is, all of it's inaccurate.

500
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:03,159
So what is the meeting actually about?

501
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:08,699
And how can you have two separate items and only pay once?

502
00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:14,829
And the appeal doesn't have anything to do with the second address because it's two years apart.

503
00:45:15,590 --> 00:45:20,449
So where is the actual following of any kind of, yeah.

504
00:45:20,449 --> 00:45:23,449
This letter is in fact, this application,

505
00:45:23,449 --> 00:45:27,869
this application is in fact, it's not worth the paper it's written on.

506
00:45:28,269 --> 00:45:33,309
Well, I don't think it's up to Lori to decide and say, oh, I can't send this out.

507
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:39,250
So the only certified mail went to you and the complainant.

508
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:45,719
All of the other butters just were sent regular mail, just to clarify that.

509
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:55,070
And whoever attends the hearing and speaks or questions or whatever is part of the discussion will also get the written mail.

510
00:45:55,070 --> 00:46:05,190
And the complaint has no merit, then it should be put to rest.

511
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:06,909
It should be just a five minute meeting.

512
00:46:06,909 --> 00:46:17,030
But the complaint should have come, shouldn't have gone directly to the DBA because the afternoon is the only board of appeals.

513
00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:21,250
They are a board of appeals, not just a complaint.

514
00:46:21,469 --> 00:46:23,710
No, I have to, I have to ask.

515
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:27,199
I did not read the complaint.

516
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:29,579
It says date.

517
00:46:29,579 --> 00:46:29,860
Date.

518
00:46:29,860 --> 00:46:29,880
Date.

519
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:29,900
Date.

520
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:29,960
Date.

521
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:29,980
Date.

522
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:38,820
Does the complaint say, what is the, if there was no permit issued or no one asked for a permit, what does the complaint, what is it appealing?

523
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:42,119
One, okay, there are two separate items on it.

524
00:46:42,420 --> 00:46:51,480
One is appealing our verbal communication that no permit was required for a change of use.

525
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:51,800
Correct.

526
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,679
But no one asked you, so you didn't give it.

527
00:46:54,699 --> 00:46:56,360
Nancy, Nancy asked me and we had a conversation.

528
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:57,920
But the person that owns the land.

529
00:46:58,099 --> 00:46:58,500
No.

530
00:46:58,860 --> 00:46:59,119
Okay.

531
00:46:59,119 --> 00:46:59,340
No.

532
00:46:59,780 --> 00:47:00,820
The second one.

533
00:47:00,820 --> 00:47:03,699
The second one is for a permit that I did.

534
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,929
It was a notice of permits on Klondike for two small.

535
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:10,070
Yeah, I know.

536
00:47:10,409 --> 00:47:11,550
Yeah, I go by them every day.

537
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:20,199
And they're appealing that saying it's become a, or people are living in it or.

538
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:21,800
Airbnb.

539
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:22,820
Airbnb.

540
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,820
But did anybody come to me?

541
00:47:26,579 --> 00:47:27,119
No, there's.

542
00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:34,780
Did they trespass and go on the property and see something that shouldn't have been?

543
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:35,579
I don't know.

544
00:47:35,579 --> 00:47:35,659
No.

545
00:47:35,659 --> 00:47:35,699
No.

546
00:47:35,699 --> 00:47:35,840
No.

547
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:35,900
No.

548
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:35,920
No.

549
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:35,940
No.

550
00:47:35,940 --> 00:47:36,000
No.

551
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:36,019
No.

552
00:47:36,019 --> 00:47:36,039
No.

553
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:36,059
No.

554
00:47:36,059 --> 00:47:36,079
No.

555
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:36,099
No.

556
00:47:36,099 --> 00:47:36,159
No.

557
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:36,179
No.

558
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:36,340
No.

559
00:47:36,340 --> 00:47:36,360
No.

560
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:36,579
No.

561
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:36,699
No.

562
00:47:36,699 --> 00:47:36,719
No.

563
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:36,760
No.

564
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:36,800
No.

565
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:36,820
No.

566
00:47:36,820 --> 00:47:37,420
No.

567
00:47:37,420 --> 00:47:37,440
No.

568
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:37,480
No.

569
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:38,519
No.

570
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:38,619
No.

571
00:47:38,619 --> 00:47:38,659
No.

572
00:47:38,659 --> 00:47:38,719
No.

573
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:38,760
No.

574
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:38,820
No.

575
00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:38,920
No.

576
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:38,980
No.

577
00:47:38,980 --> 00:47:39,079
No.

578
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:39,260
No.

579
00:47:39,260 --> 00:47:40,559
That's what it all comes down to.

580
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:44,940
That the water rights may be damaged by these two accessory buildings that are.

581
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,539
They have no water hooked up.

582
00:47:47,539 --> 00:47:52,860
The water rights that she's talking about are actually on a different property going

583
00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:58,460
from her property to our pond that feeds the house.

584
00:47:59,389 --> 00:48:06,190
So there's no way that something on another property farther up the road would actually.

585
00:48:06,190 --> 00:48:12,030
actually impact water rights that come from her land right so those two pieces those two buildings

586
00:48:12,030 --> 00:48:16,429
are not hooked up to water no there's no there's nothing there that's a that's not the building

587
00:48:20,989 --> 00:48:27,789
i agree i agree my i let's go way back here yeah yes let's go way back the first issue

588
00:48:27,789 --> 00:48:37,440
is there a is there a reason for an appeal i believe no okay the first one i think it's a hands

589
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:46,420
down hands down boom no here's my problem is when the zoning board chairman takes on that so you're

590
00:48:46,420 --> 00:48:54,510
telling me i can write a letter to the zone board and say i'm like pam i'm right next to her i'm

591
00:48:54,510 --> 00:48:59,789
going to say no i think that she needs to get a permit for this this this this does she got

592
00:49:00,030 --> 00:49:05,469
48 years ago or 38 years ago i wasn't even living here and then the board looks at it and says

593
00:49:06,269 --> 00:49:12,349
oh geez we're going to look into this or should they go back to dev and say did you have anything

594
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:17,550
to do with this case if she says no shouldn't she be the one that looks at it and says

595
00:49:18,420 --> 00:49:23,300
i just don't i think that people can't just willy-nilly write things and then

596
00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:29,380
everyone just except because everything so far including every testimony here

597
00:49:30,099 --> 00:49:37,940
is hearsay it's all hearsay so when you hear even though it might be truth at this point

598
00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:43,300
the board should not be listening to hearsay until they go to the person that we hired

599
00:49:44,539 --> 00:49:50,780
the second one i'm not sure the whole situation you did get involved with a permit i guess you

600
00:49:50,780 --> 00:49:55,260
could go up and see if there's water hooked to it but you'd have to ask permission i'm sure she

601
00:49:55,260 --> 00:50:00,940
would say go ahead look at it i agree with you if it if there is a water problem just like if

602
00:50:00,940 --> 00:50:06,739
someone was polluting my well above my house up there i could go over to them and say hey

603
00:50:06,739 --> 00:50:12,579
you pollute my well do something about it if not taking it to court but the fact is that i

604
00:50:12,579 --> 00:50:19,940
had is the application you a person has 15 days to to to deny or to but to what the second one

605
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:25,300
there was a permit the 15 days is going way way back that was a notice okay but the first one

606
00:50:25,460 --> 00:50:31,539
was no request for permit or comment why is it going and i guess that's where we go what is the

607
00:50:31,539 --> 00:50:37,940
procedure and i read these emails again let's learn from what we're not doing what are the

608
00:50:37,940 --> 00:50:44,659
procedures i don't know the procedure right now it doesn't sound doesn't seem like it's

609
00:50:44,659 --> 00:50:51,300
common sense to me to have someone write a letter or get a form from laurie fill it out

610
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:55,460
and send it to the zoning board and not go through our al

611
00:50:56,699 --> 00:51:04,659
right well it shouldn't a o the chairman or the zone board question now does she have the

612
00:51:04,659 --> 00:51:10,820
right to act individually and say i'm not going to allow it or is she part of a board where the

613
00:51:10,820 --> 00:51:16,340
board has to take a look at this and say there's no merit before they sent out these letters maybe

614
00:51:16,340 --> 00:51:21,039
they should have had a meeting for that i guess my question is can you at least make sure the

615
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:26,559
information is accurate because it's not so there's so it's false information

616
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:33,280
and we're going to be caught up in a in a situation where it's like me saying my neighbor

617
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:38,800
has a bob's big boy and they're selling burgers up on county road it's not really there but i'm going

618
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:44,480
to send in a letter i'm going to notify all the abutters it's not actually there but i want to

619
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:50,880
cause i want a meeting so i'm going to make something up that's a complaint to come in and

620
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:56,639
give her a side and then you can say none of that is happening now you're having a hearing now you're

621
00:51:56,639 --> 00:52:03,360
talking to people now it's a meeting which has to be warned i agree with that but was the meeting

622
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:06,480
necessary

623
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:15,280
is if you don't you could just say to the person if it's let's just forget about this exactly first

624
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:20,320
of all i'm questioning whether this hasn't ever happened before and all of a sudden this

625
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:26,579
situation is being handled differently because it's stephanie just like all the other things that

626
00:52:27,219 --> 00:52:31,760
because it's definitely but let's just step back this is why you have to have

627
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:37,500
protocols because if people are just gonna spew crap then you could just be

628
00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:43,239
like listen take your court take your own money and take take the person to

629
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:49,780
court but don't drag the town through mud and all this BS yes I'm 100% in

630
00:52:49,780 --> 00:52:59,500
agreement just aside 2008 week 2007-2008 we had some a similar situation

631
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:06,050
the chairman of the select board took me aside and said you'll never I will never

632
00:53:06,050 --> 00:53:12,150
admit that I'm telling you this but you gotta go to court and you've got to

633
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:17,019
either sue the town or sue your neighbors that was how it was handled so

634
00:53:17,019 --> 00:53:21,039
is this how we want to handle it and that came directly from

635
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:21,599
a

636
00:53:21,699 --> 00:53:24,699
we select board chairperson at the time

637
00:53:24,699 --> 00:53:27,699
so um no no because

638
00:53:27,699 --> 00:53:31,590
the one or two people on that board that's the whole issue here

639
00:53:31,590 --> 00:53:41,670
yeah it's utilization of these of going around offer procedure and also just a code of

640
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:46,590
conduct amongst ourselves to harass someone

641
00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:51,909
when is this meeting? June 18th

642
00:53:51,909 --> 00:53:52,409
June 25th

643
00:53:52,409 --> 00:53:52,909
June 25th

644
00:53:52,909 --> 00:53:53,909
does

645
00:53:53,909 --> 00:53:54,070
this permit Russia

646
00:53:54,070 --> 00:53:54,909
want to

647
00:53:54,909 --> 00:53:55,630
do

648
00:53:55,630 --> 00:53:56,050
um

649
00:53:56,050 --> 00:53:56,690
cartels

650
00:53:56,909 --> 00:53:57,210
going out

651
00:53:57,210 --> 00:53:58,869
200

652
00:53:58,869 --> 00:54:05,989
hundred

653
00:54:05,989 --> 00:54:06,369
sorry

654
00:54:06,369 --> 00:54:06,469
3

655
00:54:06,469 --> 00:54:08,530
don't

656
00:54:08,530 --> 00:54:09,090
we

657
00:54:09,090 --> 00:54:10,230
don't

658
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:11,090
long

659
00:54:11,090 --> 00:54:11,550
is

660
00:54:11,550 --> 00:54:13,730
what

661
00:54:13,730 --> 00:54:14,170
is

662
00:54:14,170 --> 00:54:14,789
27

663
00:54:14,789 --> 00:54:16,230
yeah

664
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:16,690
um

665
00:54:16,690 --> 00:54:18,889
5

666
00:54:18,889 --> 00:54:19,289
cekt

667
00:54:19,289 --> 00:54:19,590
7

668
00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:19,690
8

669
00:54:20,010 --> 00:54:21,230
7

670
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:21,590
e

671
00:54:21,590 --> 00:54:21,869
mor

672
00:54:21,869 --> 00:54:22,289
0

673
00:54:22,289 --> 00:54:22,510
ok

674
00:54:22,510 --> 00:54:22,789
years

675
00:54:22,789 --> 00:54:23,210
it's

676
00:54:23,210 --> 00:54:23,409
0

677
00:54:23,409 --> 00:54:23,469
long

678
00:54:23,489 --> 00:54:27,050
It was new, right?

679
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:29,769
You mean as far as the Bosco Church?

680
00:54:29,889 --> 00:54:30,349
Yeah, yeah.

681
00:54:30,389 --> 00:54:33,070
But there was no change.

682
00:54:33,409 --> 00:54:34,610
There was no change.

683
00:54:34,869 --> 00:54:37,150
No change in traditional use or anything.

684
00:54:37,710 --> 00:54:44,969
So asking Stephanie to put forward a permit would mean that almost everybody moving in,

685
00:54:44,969 --> 00:54:47,409
I mean, I'm like, gosh, I want to put my own.

686
00:54:47,869 --> 00:54:49,989
I mean, so listen.

687
00:54:49,989 --> 00:54:51,409
Can I ask another question?

688
00:54:51,489 --> 00:54:54,570
Because I'm not following everything here.

689
00:54:54,670 --> 00:54:55,489
I didn't read everything.

690
00:54:56,050 --> 00:54:56,949
And I apologize.

691
00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:58,309
I don't have all the information.

692
00:54:58,829 --> 00:55:01,429
Is the complaint on both things from the same person?

693
00:55:01,710 --> 00:55:01,889
Yes.

694
00:55:02,110 --> 00:55:02,289
Yeah.

695
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:08,409
So the complaint on Klondike Road because of a water issue.

696
00:55:08,610 --> 00:55:10,070
Which is not any other property.

697
00:55:10,070 --> 00:55:12,929
Whether it is when this complaint by the same people.

698
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:14,070
Okay.

699
00:55:14,070 --> 00:55:14,710
Thank you.

700
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:15,449
Same complaint.

701
00:55:15,590 --> 00:55:15,969
Thank you.

702
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:19,969
Can I also clarify that the fire marshal.

703
00:55:19,989 --> 00:55:25,489
Did say, he said, that's why he made a comment about, because he watched, I guess, the video

704
00:55:25,489 --> 00:55:29,429
and he's been reading the minute, so they're paying attention because he wanted to make

705
00:55:29,429 --> 00:55:36,269
sure he was, you know, and he said, from the perspective of change of views, from an educational

706
00:55:36,269 --> 00:55:40,289
perspective, we are engaging for health and well-being.

707
00:55:40,809 --> 00:55:42,730
We are engaging in the assembly of people.

708
00:55:43,230 --> 00:55:45,690
That is also what the church was doing.

709
00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:49,230
There is no change of views according to the state.

710
00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:50,030
I thought we were going to.

711
00:55:50,309 --> 00:56:07,119
So that, I mean, I, that's what I'm going with and I read the bylaws and I want to be a, they said in my letter, I, I am a town member, I'm a citizen, I'm here, we're not going anywhere, I'm here.

712
00:56:07,699 --> 00:56:21,190
So we're trying to do the right thing and be active members and do vital things and do things that are community oriented and participate well, and it's.

713
00:56:21,210 --> 00:56:23,210
It's just interesting that.

714
00:56:24,010 --> 00:56:24,269
Sorry.

715
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:25,130
You know.

716
00:56:26,070 --> 00:56:32,800
I think that the question asked, you were right, it's about a half an hour.

717
00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:37,539
The question asked was, can we stop this meeting?

718
00:56:38,099 --> 00:56:38,980
I don't know the answer.

719
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:47,239
It seems to me that the meeting is then awarded, posted, letters are sent out.

720
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,780
I'm going to do my best to be at this meeting because I have opinions.

721
00:56:52,219 --> 00:56:52,860
And I.

722
00:56:53,099 --> 00:56:55,659
Would like to go to a meeting, see how it goes.

723
00:56:55,659 --> 00:56:58,230
Do I need permission to speak to the attorney?

724
00:57:00,389 --> 00:57:02,510
I have to defend myself on this one.

725
00:57:03,130 --> 00:57:03,869
And I know that.

726
00:57:04,130 --> 00:57:07,510
Why would they be, why would you have to defend yourself?

727
00:57:07,730 --> 00:57:11,130
I mean, I don't think it's anything against the AO.

728
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:13,610
That's my opinion.

729
00:57:13,909 --> 00:57:20,030
I agree with that because there's a select two people that are on that ZBA that are trying to.

730
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:24,650
And I would say based on the letters that I've put in.

731
00:57:25,980 --> 00:57:27,099
They have been asked.

732
00:57:27,099 --> 00:57:30,420
They will need to recuse themselves from any decisions.

733
00:57:30,420 --> 00:57:31,539
I'm going to go on that board.

734
00:57:31,539 --> 00:57:41,559
If I authorized the meeting, that's where I'm already got the paperwork followed through with it.

735
00:57:41,820 --> 00:57:43,519
Who authorized the ZPA meeting?

736
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,519
Jean Kerfield is the chair.

737
00:57:45,739 --> 00:57:47,500
So the answer would be her.

738
00:57:47,619 --> 00:57:49,360
Have her to have her to cancel it.

739
00:57:49,539 --> 00:57:58,269
But I have to say, like, so board of abatement, the state law gives you seven reasons to allow an abatement.

740
00:57:59,099 --> 00:58:00,019
You can't just come in.

741
00:58:00,179 --> 00:58:03,599
And say, I had a flat tire and my car was late.

742
00:58:03,739 --> 00:58:05,539
You know, I didn't think I came on time.

743
00:58:06,090 --> 00:58:10,030
You have to have a qualifying reason to be entitled to an abatement.

744
00:58:10,869 --> 00:58:16,949
When a request comes in, I can read it and see that it doesn't meet the qualifications.

745
00:58:16,949 --> 00:58:21,429
But I can't say you're not entitled to a hearing if they want to come in.

746
00:58:22,090 --> 00:58:22,690
But Jean can.

747
00:58:23,010 --> 00:58:24,050
Jean can.

748
00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:25,210
But I can't.

749
00:58:25,210 --> 00:58:27,179
I just have to follow through.

750
00:58:27,179 --> 00:58:29,809
But I think it should.

751
00:58:29,809 --> 00:58:30,110
I.

752
00:58:30,110 --> 00:58:30,469
I.

753
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:34,010
You totally bypassed me.

754
00:58:34,369 --> 00:58:46,559
It should have been, excuse me, complainant, but we first have to go and let's follow procedure so that we don't set some sort of precedent and send her to me.

755
00:58:46,960 --> 00:59:02,500
So the complaint on this one is, I think I can bring this up in public, the complaint on this one is they are, they are disagreeing with that there should have been a permit or a change of use.

756
00:59:02,639 --> 00:59:02,880
Correct.

757
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:09,699
They are, they are appealing that we had a conversation.

758
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:12,840
And that time period you talked about started when?

759
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:16,300
Well, we talked about it time and time again.

760
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,780
They're saying it was the May 1st meeting.

761
00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:22,460
So they filed the paperwork on the 14th.

762
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:22,699
Okay.

763
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:23,280
Okay.

764
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,309
But the full conversation had happened prior to.

765
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:30,809
Were you just saying hi or you had your hand up forever?

766
00:59:31,010 --> 00:59:31,150
Yeah.

767
00:59:31,150 --> 00:59:31,989
I was going to say, yeah.

768
00:59:32,110 --> 00:59:32,730
You're just being nice.

769
00:59:32,849 --> 00:59:33,030
Yeah.

770
00:59:33,369 --> 00:59:34,849
So basically it's 15.

771
00:59:34,949 --> 00:59:41,329
So the permit, nobody can use it.

772
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:41,750
Right.

773
00:59:41,969 --> 00:59:47,280
So once those 15 days are done, every complaint, everything else goes up to the court.

774
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:47,780
Do whatever you want.

775
00:59:47,780 --> 00:59:48,300
There was no permit.

776
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:49,519
But there was no permit.

777
00:59:49,699 --> 00:59:50,980
There was no permit needed.

778
00:59:50,980 --> 00:59:56,659
So actually the appeal should actually be going to this board saying that A.L. didn't do her job.

779
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:57,199
Exactly.

780
00:59:57,539 --> 00:59:57,760
Right.

781
00:59:57,940 --> 01:00:01,219
Then we take her on executive session and say, what's the story?

782
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:02,219
She tells us the story.

783
01:00:02,340 --> 01:00:03,119
We make a decision.

784
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:04,079
And the case is made.

785
01:00:04,099 --> 01:00:05,300
You guys know the story now.

786
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:05,599
Yeah.

787
01:00:05,739 --> 01:00:06,699
Well, geez, I think.

788
01:00:06,860 --> 01:00:07,039
Yeah.

789
01:00:07,139 --> 01:00:07,539
Yeah.

790
01:00:07,860 --> 01:00:08,300
Okay.

791
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:10,239
I'm thinking that.

792
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:11,480
I would like.

793
01:00:12,059 --> 01:00:14,079
I would actually think that this is a good idea.

794
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:15,420
I think, Bill, we can.

795
01:00:15,619 --> 01:00:16,159
We can't.

796
01:00:16,260 --> 01:00:21,320
I don't think we can force someone because we did appoint these people just like we point to everybody.

797
01:00:21,460 --> 01:00:22,639
But I think that Bill's right.

798
01:00:22,739 --> 01:00:25,239
We reach out to Gene to say we feel.

799
01:00:25,739 --> 01:00:27,380
And I don't know if the board's agreeing with this.

800
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,639
I'm just saying we feel that this is an unnecessary meeting.

801
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,900
Maybe you can cancel this meeting because it's not warranted for this.

802
01:00:34,900 --> 01:00:37,159
The time period has passed.

803
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:37,760
There was no.

804
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,320
There was no permit or a request.

805
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:40,880
For a permit.

806
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:43,019
This has just gone on from.

807
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:44,219
Who knows when.

808
01:00:44,539 --> 01:00:46,260
Where are we getting these dates from?

809
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:47,719
And it just doesn't make sense to me.

810
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,460
On the second one, there was a request for a permit.

811
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:52,619
That was.

812
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,519
That's way past 15 days.

813
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:55,659
I know that for a fact.

814
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:56,880
Like 400.

815
01:00:57,139 --> 01:00:58,940
So I agree with you.

816
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:01,739
The problem is not about permitting.

817
01:01:02,949 --> 01:01:05,269
It's about what's going on up there.

818
01:01:05,269 --> 01:01:10,590
And that is up to them to provide the burden of proof of what's going on.

819
01:01:10,590 --> 01:01:11,250
Should go back.

820
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:12,110
To you on that.

821
01:01:13,110 --> 01:01:15,530
But you can't just walk in their land and check it.

822
01:01:15,530 --> 01:01:17,230
You're going to ask for permission, right?

823
01:01:17,230 --> 01:01:24,000
You know, has a constitutional do their job.

824
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,679
If she files for a permit, the permit, actually, our permission to go on.

825
01:01:27,679 --> 01:01:28,139
Right.

826
01:01:28,139 --> 01:01:29,480
But that's already been gone by.

827
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,800
Now you have someone saying, well, there's another thing going on.

828
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,260
There was no permit.

829
01:01:33,260 --> 01:01:33,719
That's right.

830
01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:35,380
There can't be a denial.

831
01:01:35,579 --> 01:01:38,559
But if you say that she's doing something up at these buildings, who cares?

832
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:40,860
Oh, yeah.

833
01:01:40,860 --> 01:01:41,559
So then they'll leave.

834
01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:43,880
Yeah, yeah, right.

835
01:01:44,340 --> 01:01:44,760
That's it.

836
01:01:45,860 --> 01:01:46,360
That's it.

837
01:01:46,739 --> 01:01:48,579
And then I mean, do you guys know what?

838
01:01:48,579 --> 01:01:50,539
I'm going up, I can't absolutely not.

839
01:01:50,539 --> 01:01:52,059
There was rumors I was doing things up.

840
01:01:52,059 --> 01:01:55,059
I can't go to some sort of gathering of people.

841
01:01:55,059 --> 01:01:55,719
Exactly.

842
01:01:55,719 --> 01:01:57,559
So come on up.

843
01:01:57,559 --> 01:01:59,900
So my camp was built as a camp.

844
01:02:00,710 --> 01:02:04,010
So if I'm doing something different than a camp, right,

845
01:02:04,210 --> 01:02:07,150
if I'm doing training up there for firearms,

846
01:02:08,050 --> 01:02:10,889
then you've got to question that and ask me to come see it.

847
01:02:11,250 --> 01:02:13,650
But until then, it's hearsay.

848
01:02:14,090 --> 01:02:15,389
It's ridiculous.

849
01:02:15,389 --> 01:02:18,690
And if it's years after I got my damn permit,

850
01:02:18,690 --> 01:02:22,750
and I've been up there for 20 something years, where's this coming from?

851
01:02:23,230 --> 01:02:25,929
So like I said before, we're going down a rabbit hole

852
01:02:25,929 --> 01:02:29,329
that we can go down this road and go, hey, where's that permit?

853
01:02:29,329 --> 01:02:32,230
I disagree with it today because I got a bug up my butt

854
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:34,030
because I don't like someone.

855
01:02:34,030 --> 01:02:38,340
You and the board have the ability to do the law.

856
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:40,780
You you need to govern.

857
01:02:40,780 --> 01:02:42,030
You are elected.

858
01:02:42,030 --> 01:02:44,199
I don't care who you've been listening to.

859
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:47,809
We're all elected and you appoint these people.

860
01:02:47,809 --> 01:02:51,730
And you know, who is responsible for the person, the same person

861
01:02:51,730 --> 01:02:56,320
I'm going to dig into that more, too.

862
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,119
I think it's not written by the person.

863
01:02:59,219 --> 01:03:02,500
This is a chance for the board to do something to kind of say,

864
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:06,519
hey, wait a minute, no, this is harassment.

865
01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:08,519
OK, it's obvious.

866
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:10,599
I think we can move on and I'll bring this.

867
01:03:10,599 --> 01:03:13,340
We could talk about this more in executive session,

868
01:03:13,340 --> 01:03:17,400
because I think the public already knows that as far as we can go right now.

869
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,179
Personally, I would like to discuss it more. OK.

870
01:03:24,139 --> 01:03:25,940
Great. Yeah. OK.

871
01:03:25,940 --> 01:03:27,119
Jim, what is it?

872
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:29,369
Absolutely.

873
01:03:29,369 --> 01:03:32,420
OK, so you're moving on, right?

874
01:03:32,619 --> 01:03:33,059
Yeah.

875
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:34,619
No more.

876
01:03:34,619 --> 01:03:36,820
Nobody else wants to talk about some other subject.

877
01:03:36,820 --> 01:03:39,639
Something easy. Rainbows.

878
01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:41,699
That peaches are.

879
01:03:41,699 --> 01:03:45,239
Cardinals, birds, white peaches, trout fishing.

880
01:03:45,699 --> 01:03:48,579
The peaches, peaches are coming back.

881
01:03:48,579 --> 01:03:51,219
Peaches. Oh, oh, good. OK.

882
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:57,960
Rhodes, you look like you want a regular first reading

883
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,860
and approval of records and orders.

884
01:03:59,860 --> 01:04:01,559
May 15th. I wasn't here.

885
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:03,949
Motion. Second.

886
01:04:03,949 --> 01:04:05,349
All in favor? Aye.

887
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:09,590
I am. Road conditions, Dave.

888
01:04:09,949 --> 01:04:18,119
We're going to be here the week of the 6th to do the sheming.

889
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:43,559
The sweeper should be next week.

890
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:46,820
I got a dumb question for you.

891
01:04:46,820 --> 01:04:51,420
We had when we when someone wants to plow the road in the wintertime

892
01:04:51,420 --> 01:04:53,760
to get a permit to plow it, they show you a bond.

893
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:55,260
They're allowed to plow it.

894
01:04:55,260 --> 01:04:57,539
Is there any way that we can?

895
01:04:57,539 --> 01:05:00,599
Is there anything in place where we can maintain a road?

896
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:03,099
And I'm talking about my road up the camp.

897
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:04,840
If I wanted to.

898
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,880
And you told me what size and all this stuff to put a culvert in.

899
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:09,579
If you want to do it.

900
01:05:09,579 --> 01:05:11,500
If I wanted to do it.

901
01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:14,000
And I had and I had a thought. OK.

902
01:05:14,500 --> 01:05:16,900
All right. So I didn't know if there was something in place.

903
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:18,639
On your property or on the road?

904
01:05:18,639 --> 01:05:20,400
No, on the road. On the road.

905
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,179
You've been up there, though.

906
01:05:22,179 --> 01:05:23,440
So I know you have it.

907
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:27,820
And there's two culverts that if we don't fix them, it's going to make the road worse.

908
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:30,719
And I know you're busy and we have the machines.

909
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:32,519
We have all of that. I didn't know.

910
01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:36,559
I don't want to tell the guys, let's do it.

911
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,559
We can't even get a culvert.

912
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:42,530
But, you know, I mean, to cover that first one, it's all plastic.

913
01:05:42,530 --> 01:05:44,530
It's only an inch.

914
01:05:44,530 --> 01:05:47,159
Yeah. Unfortunately, it's going to be an inch.

915
01:05:47,159 --> 01:05:49,579
Yeah. So you've got to bump it up.

916
01:05:49,579 --> 01:05:51,710
Yeah. All right.

917
01:05:51,710 --> 01:05:56,349
So if we if there was something in place for that, we could allow it.

918
01:05:56,349 --> 01:05:59,550
If we had a general contractor come in and do it. Right.

919
01:05:59,750 --> 01:06:05,130
Yeah. OK. I would think that you want an insurance.

920
01:06:05,130 --> 01:06:09,940
Yeah. Yeah.

921
01:06:09,940 --> 01:06:10,780
Yeah. Yeah.

922
01:06:10,780 --> 01:06:12,280
It's a class four.

923
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,840
But it's unmaintained class four.

924
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,059
But, you know, I mean, if we don't fix that culvert,

925
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:22,380
the water's going to come down the road and then the road's going to get worse.

926
01:06:22,380 --> 01:06:24,719
It's going to be more of a job for all of us.

927
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:26,119
And he's got what?

928
01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:28,159
How many culverts you say in town now?

929
01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:30,400
Two, 300, 300, 300.

930
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,900
So, you know, I'm not asking for him to go up on a class four road to fix it.

931
01:06:34,900 --> 01:06:37,329
I'm just saying we can do something.

932
01:06:37,530 --> 01:06:42,230
I mean, it's certainly definitely been on my radar, I would say, for probably five, six years.

933
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:43,829
Yeah. Yeah.

934
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:45,329
And it's not 18.

935
01:06:45,329 --> 01:06:47,869
But that's what that's what you got to do.

936
01:06:47,869 --> 01:06:55,579
Unfortunately, the standard says, well, we'll look into the bylaws

937
01:06:55,579 --> 01:06:59,079
and anything and see if we can we can pass an ordinance and do it or something.

938
01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:01,480
I mean, it seems to me to be similar to the file.

939
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:06,739
I don't think you need an ordinance, but I would say the board should.

940
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:10,099
If you guys want to do it, it's just got to be done to code and stare.

941
01:07:10,099 --> 01:07:11,099
You have to be sure.

942
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,119
Yeah. And just like that road, just like that plowing agreement.

943
01:07:15,780 --> 01:07:16,460
Right. Right.

944
01:07:16,460 --> 01:07:19,780
You know, if I can get a million dollar insurance, that's what we ask for.

945
01:07:19,780 --> 01:07:20,860
Plowing. Yeah.

946
01:07:20,860 --> 01:07:24,369
That's a couple, you know, a couple hundred bucks come up.

947
01:07:24,610 --> 01:07:26,469
I might even have someone who's already got the insurance.

948
01:07:26,469 --> 01:07:27,650
That's what I'm saying. Right.

949
01:07:27,650 --> 01:07:30,090
So we go up there, we dig it out, we put it in.

950
01:07:30,090 --> 01:07:32,309
You know, it's like having Johnny Bull do something.

951
01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:34,380
Well, he's already got the insurance.

952
01:07:34,380 --> 01:07:35,280
He knows how to do it.

953
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,719
Dave would inspect it before, after, except.

954
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:40,380
Yeah. Okay.

955
01:07:40,380 --> 01:07:41,719
Yeah. I mean, that's happened before.

956
01:07:41,719 --> 01:07:44,480
Sir Sossamo put all the culverts in on that.

957
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,320
And they logged that road years ago.

958
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:50,659
That was a big fight with John because they did it without me even asking.

959
01:07:50,659 --> 01:07:52,920
They went through and replaced, did a bunch of work.

960
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:54,860
I'm sure I could have done it without asking you.

961
01:07:54,860 --> 01:07:58,460
Like you said, it's not, you know, five years it's been.

962
01:07:58,460 --> 01:08:01,300
If I did it without asking, you might go up there and say, boy, this is a good job.

963
01:08:01,300 --> 01:08:05,900
But I don't want any problems, especially, especially I'm a sweat board member.

964
01:08:05,900 --> 01:08:07,739
I don't want to be up there and say, well, what's he doing?

965
01:08:07,739 --> 01:08:10,710
Never tell somebody just go back.

966
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:12,610
Tom.

967
01:08:12,610 --> 01:08:14,760
Never. The camera's up there.

968
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,300
There it is.

969
01:08:17,300 --> 01:08:20,529
I can get rid of the evidence.

970
01:08:20,529 --> 01:08:22,409
Dave, what about the culvert on East row?

971
01:08:22,409 --> 01:08:24,310
That large culvert that.

972
01:08:24,310 --> 01:08:25,710
Oh, yeah, we got a grant.

973
01:08:25,710 --> 01:08:27,569
Did you bring that up at the last meeting?

974
01:08:27,569 --> 01:08:30,930
Or are you going to bring up this?

975
01:08:30,930 --> 01:08:36,479
We received a $200,000 grant to replace that culvert.

976
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,279
But it's what? $530,000.

977
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,680
Yeah, it's almost a $600,000 job.

978
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:48,550
We talked to the state.

979
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:50,189
They seem to think the estimate was high.

980
01:08:50,189 --> 01:08:51,890
I kind of agree.

981
01:08:51,890 --> 01:09:00,430
But I can come up with an alternative project as long as it meets their.

982
01:09:00,430 --> 01:09:01,270
Risky ranch roads.

983
01:09:01,270 --> 01:09:02,010
It's OK.

984
01:09:02,010 --> 01:09:04,810
We'll do it for $200.

985
01:09:04,810 --> 01:09:09,350
Now, did the state say that culvert had to be replaced?

986
01:09:09,350 --> 01:09:13,449
So I had a hydraulic study done because it does need to be replaced.

987
01:09:13,449 --> 01:09:14,680
OK.

988
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:20,930
They do the hydraulic study, and then they send what needs to be there.

989
01:09:20,930 --> 01:09:23,739
I don't get the maintenance.

990
01:09:23,739 --> 01:09:24,539
They give you a price.

991
01:09:24,539 --> 01:09:28,380
They give you a project.

992
01:09:28,380 --> 01:09:36,659
But in the end, it says that other structures could be considered, but they have to approve.

993
01:09:36,659 --> 01:09:40,220
So they want a concrete box.

994
01:09:40,220 --> 01:09:53,000
But I could do a pipe arch or something else, as long as they approve of it.

995
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,199
So it's possible that we could do it more economically.

996
01:09:56,199 --> 01:10:04,899
But now I have to spend more time to try to come up with my own project that they might reject.

997
01:10:04,899 --> 01:10:07,899
When does this grant run out?

998
01:10:07,899 --> 01:10:09,130
One year?

999
01:10:09,130 --> 01:10:10,130
Two year?

1000
01:10:10,130 --> 01:10:24,069
I'm sure we can come up with something that's right now.

1001
01:10:24,069 --> 01:10:25,069
And that's the one heading.

1002
01:10:25,069 --> 01:10:32,220
When you go up the lane, you turn left, several streams coming down that mountain, and I . . .

1003
01:10:32,220 --> 01:10:50,199
It's the first large cross, but, you know, the concrete . . .

1004
01:10:50,199 --> 01:10:51,199
It's going to be like Lincoln Road.

1005
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:54,800
I said Lincoln Road was more of a grid . . .

1006
01:10:54,800 --> 01:11:07,659
I just got somebody to give us an estimate on their design.

1007
01:11:07,659 --> 01:11:09,590
So if you could figure out a . . .

1008
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:10,590
That was fairly easy somehow.

1009
01:11:10,590 --> 01:11:14,840
I've got to come up with my own that they could reject.

1010
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:15,840
OK.

1011
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,600
OK.

1012
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:19,600
Because I don't . . .

1013
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,600
At this point, we'd have to come up with another . . .

1014
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:27,399
Because it goes up.

1015
01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:33,579
It has to be done.

1016
01:11:33,579 --> 01:11:37,579
At some point, I don't want to throw the money away that they're going to give us, so . . .

1017
01:11:37,579 --> 01:11:38,579
Yeah.

1018
01:11:38,579 --> 01:11:39,579
At some point, I will . . .

1019
01:11:39,579 --> 01:11:42,819
How about the garage doors?

1020
01:11:42,819 --> 01:11:43,819
Were you able to . . .

1021
01:11:43,819 --> 01:11:44,819
They haven't . . .

1022
01:11:44,819 --> 01:11:45,819
You left some decision up to him.

1023
01:11:45,819 --> 01:11:46,819
Hmm?

1024
01:11:46,819 --> 01:11:47,819
We left a decision up to Dave.

1025
01:11:47,819 --> 01:11:48,819
Oh, for the side door.

1026
01:11:48,819 --> 01:11:49,819
Yeah.

1027
01:11:49,819 --> 01:11:50,819
I did get an estimate, but I haven't . . .

1028
01:11:50,819 --> 01:11:51,819
Side door.

1029
01:11:51,819 --> 01:11:52,819
We just did . . .

1030
01:11:52,819 --> 01:11:53,920
The ones on the . . .

1031
01:11:53,920 --> 01:12:12,489
. . .

1032
01:12:12,489 --> 01:12:17,460
. . .

1033
01:12:17,460 --> 01:12:22,970
. . .

1034
01:12:22,970 --> 01:12:23,970
The ones on the . . .

1035
01:12:23,970 --> 01:12:24,970
. .

1036
01:12:24,970 --> 01:12:25,970
. .

1037
01:12:25,970 --> 01:12:29,819
The doors probably saw they come gray and white . . .

1038
01:12:29,819 --> 01:12:30,819
It's gray at the . . .

1039
01:12:30,819 --> 01:12:34,569
Right.

1040
01:12:34,569 --> 01:12:36,819
I understand, but the garage already looks . . .

1041
01:12:36,819 --> 01:12:44,949
It'll look fine with new doors and new overhead doors.

1042
01:12:44,949 --> 01:12:45,949
So, I think I'm just going to have to go out.

1043
01:12:45,949 --> 01:12:47,720
Who's that?

1044
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,390
Bill Lincoln.

1045
01:12:49,390 --> 01:12:50,390
Bill and Matt Lincoln.

1046
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:56,899
I don't . . .

1047
01:12:56,899 --> 01:12:57,899
. . .

1048
01:12:57,899 --> 01:12:58,899
. . .

1049
01:12:58,899 --> 01:12:59,899
. . .

1050
01:12:59,899 --> 01:13:00,899
. . .

1051
01:13:00,899 --> 01:13:01,899
. . .

1052
01:13:01,899 --> 01:13:32,210
So, because normally . . .

1053
01:13:32,210 --> 01:13:33,270
Do you appreciate that?

1054
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:34,270
There is a lot of . . .

1055
01:13:34,270 --> 01:13:35,270
There's a lot . . .

1056
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:36,270
. . .

1057
01:13:36,270 --> 01:13:38,489
. . .

1058
01:13:38,489 --> 01:13:39,489
. . .

1059
01:13:39,489 --> 01:13:40,489
. . .

1060
01:13:40,489 --> 01:13:41,739
. . .

1061
01:13:41,739 --> 01:13:42,739
. . .

1062
01:13:42,739 --> 01:13:43,739
. . .

1063
01:13:43,739 --> 01:13:44,739
. . .

1064
01:13:44,739 --> 01:13:54,670
. . .

1065
01:13:54,670 --> 01:13:58,229
. . .

1066
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:59,229
. . .

1067
01:13:59,229 --> 01:14:07,380
Okay, can we turn the thing on?

1068
01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:11,760
Let me tell you, I'm going to start getting naked pretty soon.

1069
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,300
The meeting will be over just like that.

1070
01:14:14,619 --> 01:14:15,520
Turn it on faster.

1071
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,520
We'll just do a turn right there.

1072
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:20,020
See that?

1073
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,180
And what else, Dave, do you have?

1074
01:14:23,180 --> 01:14:28,569
We're going to be out.

1075
01:14:28,789 --> 01:14:30,050
We're getting them all in track.

1076
01:14:30,189 --> 01:14:30,550
They're ready.

1077
01:14:30,970 --> 01:14:34,329
We're going to deal with that.

1078
01:14:38,300 --> 01:15:00,430
So it's back with us now?

1079
01:15:00,449 --> 01:15:00,949
So it's back.

1080
01:15:00,949 --> 01:15:04,579
It's getting that.

1081
01:15:05,020 --> 01:15:17,239
The roads look good up there.

1082
01:15:17,739 --> 01:15:19,340
No, I think everything's in pretty good shape.

1083
01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:31,779
What else?

1084
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,600
I'm still waiting to hear from the DCRC about our truck.

1085
01:15:53,380 --> 01:15:54,319
How about recycling?

1086
01:15:54,939 --> 01:15:56,560
First, any other questions for Dave?

1087
01:15:57,140 --> 01:15:57,539
Recycling.

1088
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:11,500
Tires.

1089
01:16:17,979 --> 01:16:19,779
I think it was cheaper than the other guy, wasn't it?

1090
01:16:19,819 --> 01:16:21,300
I thought he said he was.

1091
01:16:22,340 --> 01:16:22,720
No.

1092
01:16:23,300 --> 01:16:24,199
I wish there were.

1093
01:16:28,119 --> 01:16:36,010
We want to call Pat and see.

1094
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,819
I just didn't know if that was something we were able to.

1095
01:16:39,859 --> 01:16:41,300
Wasn't there a question about that?

1096
01:16:41,319 --> 01:16:50,560
Just if he has permits.

1097
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,800
Does he have to file permits in Vermont?

1098
01:16:53,079 --> 01:16:54,880
But he's not a regular collector.

1099
01:16:55,699 --> 01:17:02,000
It's not like Demolino and RLFave.

1100
01:17:06,189 --> 01:17:10,569
But our people that bring the tires to the recycling area,

1101
01:17:10,649 --> 01:17:12,930
they are paying for them as far as we can tell.

1102
01:17:13,050 --> 01:17:15,149
They're not just dropping them there.

1103
01:17:15,289 --> 01:17:16,850
I mean, it costs a whole lot.

1104
01:17:17,409 --> 01:17:18,670
Some of them show up after.

1105
01:17:20,210 --> 01:17:20,649
Yeah.

1106
01:17:20,649 --> 01:17:21,649
What did it cost?

1107
01:17:21,689 --> 01:17:23,789
It cost last time to get rid of them in the lot, didn't it, too?

1108
01:17:24,189 --> 01:17:38,760
I mean, I guess it was kind of.

1109
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:39,840
For an highway.

1110
01:17:40,399 --> 01:17:42,760
Otherwise, it was Bennington.

1111
01:17:44,260 --> 01:17:44,640
Was it?

1112
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:46,699
Yeah, the last time.

1113
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,119
Let's give them a call.

1114
01:18:12,420 --> 01:18:12,819
Yeah.

1115
01:18:13,159 --> 01:18:16,850
Ask them, because, you know, it's a business.

1116
01:18:17,229 --> 01:18:18,930
It's sort of a local business.

1117
01:18:18,949 --> 01:18:19,229
Yes.

1118
01:18:20,609 --> 01:18:21,229
Helps them out.

1119
01:18:21,229 --> 01:18:26,189
I want to make sure that we have used them and those questions as well.

1120
01:18:30,750 --> 01:18:31,109
Okay.

1121
01:18:31,409 --> 01:18:32,149
Anything else?

1122
01:18:32,609 --> 01:18:34,409
Yeah, I received an email from the state.

1123
01:18:34,409 --> 01:18:36,329
The battery boxes.

1124
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:42,229
The state provides, and they have a contract with FedEx so that they can be boxed up and

1125
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:42,970
just sent out.

1126
01:18:43,170 --> 01:18:43,430
Yep.

1127
01:18:43,710 --> 01:18:45,350
No longer contracting.

1128
01:18:48,729 --> 01:18:50,229
Any boxes will be accepted.

1129
01:18:51,090 --> 01:18:52,170
They're going to contract with.

1130
01:18:52,350 --> 01:18:54,949
So, I let Carol know.

1131
01:18:55,329 --> 01:18:56,449
Oh, that ought to go off.

1132
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,479
The post offices should take them without charge.

1133
01:19:02,779 --> 01:19:04,899
We'll get a return to sender on them.

1134
01:19:05,739 --> 01:19:07,779
August 1st, it changed, so.

1135
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,180
Post office will be charging.

1136
01:19:16,779 --> 01:19:18,899
Just another thing that the state says we've got to do.

1137
01:19:18,899 --> 01:19:19,260
Set it up.

1138
01:19:19,260 --> 01:19:19,960
But no money.

1139
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:20,640
Pay for it.

1140
01:19:20,659 --> 01:19:35,659
Well, let us know what happens there, or could they go to the Household Hazardous Waste?

1141
01:19:39,399 --> 01:19:40,340
Could they go up there?

1142
01:19:40,340 --> 01:19:41,399
Take advantage of the batteries.

1143
01:19:45,020 --> 01:19:45,979
Take advantage of the batteries.

1144
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:51,869
They did, right.

1145
01:19:51,869 --> 01:19:55,630
They did at the Household Hazardous Waste that I attended in Bennington,

1146
01:19:56,149 --> 01:20:00,109
but they went to a separate table, and he was boxing them up.

1147
01:20:00,869 --> 01:20:02,550
He didn't go into the.

1148
01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:03,310
They're worth money.

1149
01:20:03,310 --> 01:20:04,489
That's why they're boxing them up.

1150
01:20:04,489 --> 01:20:05,590
Contractor bills.

1151
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:06,989
They're worth money.

1152
01:20:06,989 --> 01:20:09,039
It shouldn't even cost them anything.

1153
01:20:09,039 --> 01:20:10,039
They're worth money.

1154
01:20:10,039 --> 01:20:15,119
You bring a battery up, if you bring a car battery up the Doberts, they give you money

1155
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:16,189
for it.

1156
01:20:16,189 --> 01:20:17,189
They won't charge you for it.

1157
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:21,789
So, I would assume all batteries are pretty much the same, even though they're small,

1158
01:20:21,789 --> 01:20:22,789
they add up.

1159
01:20:22,789 --> 01:20:25,810
Mm-hmm.

1160
01:20:25,810 --> 01:20:26,810
Okay, we'll watch it and see what happens.

1161
01:20:26,810 --> 01:20:27,810
Different?

1162
01:20:27,810 --> 01:20:29,640
Yeah.

1163
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:31,760
Each one of those have a mineral they want, though.

1164
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:32,760
Oh, yeah.

1165
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:33,760
Yeah.

1166
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,340
Taxi anticipation, no worry.

1167
01:20:35,340 --> 01:20:36,340
They'll give us money to get through until tax is coming in.

1168
01:20:36,340 --> 01:20:38,069
I don't know.

1169
01:20:38,069 --> 01:20:41,340
I don't know.

1170
01:20:41,340 --> 01:20:43,369
I don't know.

1171
01:20:43,369 --> 01:20:44,369
I don't know.

1172
01:20:44,369 --> 01:20:51,510
I don't know.

1173
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:52,510
I don't know.

1174
01:20:52,510 --> 01:20:53,960
I don't know.

1175
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,390
Okay.

1176
01:20:57,390 --> 01:20:58,390
Does it have the battery up?

1177
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:59,390
Does the battery go off?

1178
01:20:59,390 --> 01:21:02,439
Yes.

1179
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:03,500
OK.

1180
01:21:03,500 --> 01:21:04,500
When you go back on the truck, you'll tell me, how are you?

1181
01:21:04,500 --> 01:21:06,529
One.

1182
01:21:06,529 --> 01:21:07,529
One.

1183
01:21:07,529 --> 01:21:08,529
That's what I want to tell you.

1184
01:21:08,529 --> 01:21:20,899
Well, some of the batteries that you anything you get, it's difficult to get the water

1185
01:21:20,899 --> 01:21:23,140
coming through, but it was able to pull reflecting on the code, and I

1186
01:21:23,140 --> 01:21:38,149
don't believe it outside the

1187
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:43,359
front, but it's very good.

1188
01:21:43,359 --> 01:21:44,680
Yes, ma'am.

1189
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:45,180
Yeah.

1190
01:21:45,180 --> 01:21:45,220
Yes.

1191
01:21:45,220 --> 01:21:45,300
All right.

1192
01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:50,000
Would you give somebody the authority to sign that note sort of thing?

1193
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:59,800
I don't care.

1194
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:00,800
Do you want to do it?

1195
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:01,800
Sure.

1196
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,800
I'm into a firetruck and everything else.

1197
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,800
Will should have given Nancy the authority to sign that.

1198
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:08,800
Is that okay?

1199
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:13,750
Fine with me.

1200
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:17,359
Oh, way over that.

1201
01:22:17,359 --> 01:22:22,680
Firetruck and a couple of Dave's piece of equipment up there.

1202
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,680
Oh, excavated.

1203
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,680
A couple culverts add up to a million dollars nowadays.

1204
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:32,090
Let me know, Lori.

1205
01:22:32,090 --> 01:22:35,760
911 house numbers.

1206
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:43,789
It's come to my attention, Bill, that there's a couple of houses that do not have their house numbers on them.

1207
01:22:43,789 --> 01:22:48,789
It was a concern, and they did get the paperwork from Lori.

1208
01:22:48,789 --> 01:22:52,789
They just didn't put up their numbers for whatever reason.

1209
01:22:52,789 --> 01:22:59,050
So if it could go in the minutes, please follow the instructions.

1210
01:22:59,050 --> 01:23:00,050
Put your house numbers in.

1211
01:23:00,050 --> 01:23:03,050
Put your house numbers up where they're supposed to be.

1212
01:23:03,050 --> 01:23:10,550
Especially in Alpenwald, because some people are still using their lot numbers.

1213
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:16,840
Or maybe they make up a number because they think, I'm the next house up the road, so I'll go number two.

1214
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:18,840
Are you still in Alpenwald?

1215
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:20,840
Oh, you have.

1216
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:21,840
Okay.

1217
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:22,840
No, I can't.

1218
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:23,840
Oh, yes, please.

1219
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:24,840
Yes.

1220
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:29,939
Just make sure they're using their, they come to the town, go to Bill and get the number.

1221
01:23:29,939 --> 01:23:32,939
It's been three to four years since Phil and I went out.

1222
01:23:32,939 --> 01:23:33,939
Right.

1223
01:23:33,939 --> 01:23:38,380
With the 911 list on every road in town.

1224
01:23:38,380 --> 01:23:44,380
And then we sent out a notice, a letter, a form letter to every one of those people.

1225
01:23:44,380 --> 01:23:53,020
What we've never tried to enforce is that there's state law that you can penalize people.

1226
01:23:53,020 --> 01:23:55,020
I forget whether it's 50 or 100 bucks.

1227
01:23:55,020 --> 01:24:00,170
Once they're warned, they're not having the number.

1228
01:24:00,170 --> 01:24:02,550
And two of the specifications.

1229
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:06,550
Don't they realize it's for their own safety and they don't care?

1230
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:07,550
We explained to them.

1231
01:24:07,550 --> 01:24:08,550
It's not just their safety.

1232
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:11,550
A fire truck gets called out and they go to the wrong place.

1233
01:24:11,550 --> 01:24:12,550
Yes.

1234
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:16,550
And now, for some reason, there's another incident in town, and now that fire truck's out there.

1235
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:18,550
Or they didn't go to the right house.

1236
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:20,550
I mean, it's this one fire truck ambulance.

1237
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:21,550
So many people are involved.

1238
01:24:21,550 --> 01:24:22,550
Right.

1239
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:28,550
The EMT, well, not EMT, the first responders, I know in Alpenwald for a fact, they couldn't find the house.

1240
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:30,550
They're going up and going, oh.

1241
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:31,550
Yeah.

1242
01:24:31,550 --> 01:24:34,550
And then they hear on the scanner, fire truck found the house.

1243
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:37,550
And they're going, why didn't we see it?

1244
01:24:37,550 --> 01:24:41,670
It's really difficult.

1245
01:24:41,670 --> 01:24:45,939
Yeah.

1246
01:24:45,939 --> 01:24:47,939
We went looking.

1247
01:24:47,939 --> 01:24:49,939
So we can.

1248
01:24:49,939 --> 01:24:52,939
So, Bill, will you send letters again or go around?

1249
01:24:52,939 --> 01:24:53,939
Do we know.

1250
01:24:53,939 --> 01:24:56,939
Or do you want somebody to, do you want.

1251
01:24:56,939 --> 01:25:04,039
Do we know some of these people that we can pass on to Bill to be the first ones he sends a letter to?

1252
01:25:04,039 --> 01:25:06,229
Um.

1253
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:08,229
Did somebody raise a complaint to begin with?

1254
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:10,229
I think one I know.

1255
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:12,229
You know, so if we know people.

1256
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:13,229
Send them a letter.

1257
01:25:13,229 --> 01:25:15,260
We still have them there.

1258
01:25:15,260 --> 01:25:16,260
Somewhere on the computer.

1259
01:25:16,260 --> 01:25:17,260
Yeah.

1260
01:25:17,260 --> 01:25:18,260
And then if, you know.

1261
01:25:18,260 --> 01:25:19,260
We can send them a letter.

1262
01:25:19,260 --> 01:25:20,260
Someone on that wall.

1263
01:25:20,260 --> 01:25:21,260
We can.

1264
01:25:21,260 --> 01:25:22,649
So should I call them in person?

1265
01:25:22,649 --> 01:25:30,060
If you want to consider reforming the letter and invoke, we'll look up the detail and invoke the state penalty.

1266
01:25:30,060 --> 01:25:33,060
And then you can write one of your tickets for it.

1267
01:25:33,060 --> 01:25:34,060
And it's in Alpenwald.

1268
01:25:34,060 --> 01:25:40,720
I mean, if you know that it's two people and it's your neighbor, just call them up.

1269
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:41,720
Tell them to get their thing out.

1270
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,720
Because that's what's going to happen.

1271
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:47,100
You know, but if it's a lot of people, it needs to be done.

1272
01:25:47,100 --> 01:25:48,100
You spent the money.

1273
01:25:48,100 --> 01:25:49,100
Yeah.

1274
01:25:49,100 --> 01:25:50,100
Yes, you did.

1275
01:25:50,100 --> 01:25:51,100
To go out.

1276
01:25:51,100 --> 01:25:52,100
And we did it twice.

1277
01:25:52,100 --> 01:25:54,779
And, you know.

1278
01:25:54,779 --> 01:25:56,779
You still have signs at the fire department?

1279
01:25:56,779 --> 01:25:57,779
You can buy them from the fire department?

1280
01:25:57,779 --> 01:25:58,779
Sure.

1281
01:25:58,779 --> 01:25:59,779
Yeah.

1282
01:25:59,779 --> 01:26:00,779
I mean, they're beautiful signs.

1283
01:26:00,779 --> 01:26:01,779
All right.

1284
01:26:01,779 --> 01:26:02,779
Let me, let me handle that first.

1285
01:26:02,779 --> 01:26:06,810
$16 and we do quick delivery.

1286
01:26:06,810 --> 01:26:07,810
Yep.

1287
01:26:07,810 --> 01:26:15,210
Anything else on 9-1-1?

1288
01:26:15,210 --> 01:26:16,210
I just put that up for that.

1289
01:26:16,210 --> 01:26:17,210
Everything calm, quiet, peaceful?

1290
01:26:17,210 --> 01:26:18,210
Well, we've got a, yeah, we have an email from the state.

1291
01:26:18,210 --> 01:26:19,210
And they sent us a map.

1292
01:26:19,210 --> 01:26:20,210
And they didn't agree with some of the numbers.

1293
01:26:20,210 --> 01:26:22,260
And there's a bunch of camps that don't have a number.

1294
01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:24,260
And they're talking to us about the fact that there's no number.

1295
01:26:24,260 --> 01:26:25,260
They're way back home.

1296
01:26:25,260 --> 01:26:26,260
Miles out on a private road.

1297
01:26:26,260 --> 01:26:28,279
Not going there.

1298
01:26:28,279 --> 01:26:29,380
Cool.

1299
01:26:29,380 --> 01:26:30,380
I think you guys are going to have a great day.

1300
01:26:30,380 --> 01:26:32,239
Thank you.

1301
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:33,239
Thank you.

1302
01:26:33,239 --> 01:26:34,239
Thank you.

1303
01:26:34,239 --> 01:26:35,239
Thank you.

1304
01:26:35,239 --> 01:26:36,239
Thank you.

1305
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:37,239
Thank you.

1306
01:26:37,239 --> 01:26:38,239
Thank you.

1307
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:39,300
Thank you.

1308
01:26:39,300 --> 01:26:40,300
Thank you.

1309
01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:41,300
Thank you.

1310
01:26:41,300 --> 01:26:42,300
Thank you.

1311
01:26:42,300 --> 01:26:43,300
Thank you.

1312
01:26:43,300 --> 01:26:44,300
Thank you.

1313
01:26:44,300 --> 01:26:45,300
Thank you.

1314
01:26:45,300 --> 01:26:46,300
Thank you.

1315
01:26:46,300 --> 01:26:47,619
Thank you.

1316
01:26:47,619 --> 01:26:49,359
Thank you.

1317
01:26:49,359 --> 01:26:50,359
Thank you.

1318
01:26:50,359 --> 01:26:51,359
Oh.

1319
01:26:51,359 --> 01:26:53,260
I think you guys should give me permission to ride my wheeler up to all these camps.

1320
01:26:53,260 --> 01:26:56,859
What am I going to tell them?

1321
01:26:56,859 --> 01:26:57,720
I don't have a name.

1322
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:59,180
I can't give them a number on a private driveway.

1323
01:26:59,180 --> 01:27:04,640
Well, why are they saying that your numbers are wrong?

1324
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:08,920
You guys went out and measured years ago just because they're looking at the maps.

1325
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:09,920
They measured years ago.

1326
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:10,920
That's right.

1327
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:11,920
They measured years.

1328
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:12,920
That's true.

1329
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:16,380
And they did find one that I probably measured wrong.

1330
01:27:16,380 --> 01:27:19,279
But on the other hand, the homeowner went ahead and it looked like a privated one.

1331
01:27:19,279 --> 01:27:19,359
They did.

1332
01:27:19,359 --> 01:27:26,319
took a number didn't use the wrong number that i gave him he took another number to belong he has

1333
01:27:26,319 --> 01:27:34,350
three adjacent properties in appenwald oh dear the third one had a number assigned 2017 i think

1334
01:27:34,350 --> 01:27:41,189
and then he bought that lot and two more adjacent lots and then built the house on the middle lot

1335
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:48,189
and took the number from one of the other ones and it's close enough i mean the state's saying

1336
01:27:48,189 --> 01:27:58,479
to us you know it should be 524 and we gave him 520. and no one else has that he's got a lot of

1337
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:04,329
time to recheck these that's equal to 20 feet difference yeah i'm not going to change it

1338
01:28:06,810 --> 01:28:12,989
yeah yeah and i'm not going to ask him to change his deed his insurance his

1339
01:28:12,989 --> 01:28:19,869
checkbook insurance and we wanted to discuss it first before lori answered

1340
01:28:20,109 --> 01:28:26,270
the guy and said use your number so is there something uh bob briggs could do

1341
01:28:26,909 --> 01:28:36,699
if you don't want to go up in the woods i mean uh yeah it does go to the job but but just send

1342
01:28:36,699 --> 01:28:44,010
them a letter send the owner a letter and just say put it down see what happens i mean to drive

1343
01:28:44,010 --> 01:28:49,449
up to some of these places even bob i mean you you're talking some of these places aren't easy

1344
01:28:49,449 --> 01:28:54,109
to get to how did they find them they just it's got an area

1345
01:28:54,109 --> 01:28:54,670
kid me

1346
01:28:54,750 --> 01:29:02,670
the aerial map shows a building one of the buildings they showed is a foundation

1347
01:29:03,229 --> 01:29:10,109
that got a permit 10 15 years ago and there's a four-foot foundation wall and that's it

1348
01:29:11,470 --> 01:29:19,340
i'm not giving a number i have no idea who owns it anymore so we can look at it some more

1349
01:29:21,340 --> 01:29:27,100
the rule was if you had electricity you got a 9-1-1 number now with everybody with cell phones and

1350
01:29:27,180 --> 01:29:35,600
camps and that's what's happening oh i'm tempted since they have somebody with a car equipped with

1351
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:42,239
all their magic gps coordinates and accuracy and i thought it was nice he came down here

1352
01:29:44,079 --> 01:29:52,840
two years ago he said anytime he was in bennington let this guy take it call his own person

1353
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:58,189
to go set a number yes try it that way

1354
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:19,399
that's what i thought you would hold on no no no no no oh i was thinking

1355
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,239
you shouldn't have the ice cream delivered

1356
01:30:25,239 --> 01:30:28,699
yes you want to take a recess

1357
01:30:31,050 --> 01:30:40,649
i make a motion pam goes down and gets all of us ice cream okay um next ethics commission

1358
01:30:40,649 --> 01:30:45,199
ethics ordinance are we ever gonna have a full board when we do this well

1359
01:30:46,189 --> 01:30:54,829
i know we approved it um may 1st and we didn't sign it may 15th because the state state just

1360
01:30:54,829 --> 01:31:02,029
pulled it out yeah so i'd like to make a motion if i can do this to rescind the motion made on

1361
01:31:02,029 --> 01:31:11,229
may 1st to accept what we our ordinance and just uh leave out the state yeah just wait until further

1362
01:31:11,229 --> 01:31:16,779
clarification from the state because you said a lot of the uh towns were pushing back from what

1363
01:31:16,779 --> 01:31:21,979
you heard on your union that we don't know where it is the state has no ethics is that what you're

1364
01:31:21,979 --> 01:31:28,560
saying yeah they left what it was that was an uh unfunded mandate basically it was an unfunded

1365
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:32,239
mandate right if you're going to do it and then they didn't give us the stuff we needed to they

1366
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:38,800
still exist they just don't have anybody working right yeah i saw the website come back later

1367
01:31:41,359 --> 01:31:49,680
okay second all in favor good all right okay i'm sorry i'm just going to make a suggestion we

1368
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:56,239
take a look at uh what we have and just adjust it so it's pertinent to the town

1369
01:31:56,239 --> 01:32:05,130
yeah just and we can use the state's ideas as a template like but uh just do that and another

1370
01:32:05,130 --> 01:32:10,729
thing too i don't know if this isn't the same thing uh we had another volunteer to be like

1371
01:32:11,609 --> 01:32:19,520
her on that group and uh i would just add it to the pool then you see that name yeah um

1372
01:32:25,079 --> 01:32:33,369
okay it's not added to the pool oh jim's already on it has now um yeah so if we can get together

1373
01:32:33,369 --> 01:32:39,020
you lori and i like last time review it and see what we can do and i think we gotta make

1374
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:45,770
it have a big change no yeah and maybe the state will come up with some more money oh yeah right

1375
01:32:47,529 --> 01:32:53,930
um joint meeting with the school directors uh cindy gave me three dates

1376
01:32:54,649 --> 01:33:02,170
june 10th june 12th and june 24th june 12th is out because that could be the zoning bylaw hearing

1377
01:33:03,239 --> 01:33:10,680
uh june 10th or june 24th what was on the bylaw here if we go ahead with the zoning up

1378
01:33:12,199 --> 01:33:16,920
i got 25th for the school yeah sorry june 12th is uh yeah

1379
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:29,760
bylaws oh okay different different one yeah so that's june 12th yeah sorry about that okay so

1380
01:33:31,949 --> 01:33:39,880
i'm not going to be here on june 12th sorry i have a big big big big okay june 24th then we'll go

1381
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:50,729
with that sorry june 24th sure um and we have to warn this what day is that tuesday tuesday

1382
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:58,560
i think we're we better we better

1383
01:33:59,470 --> 01:34:04,680
it's our regular meeting june 24th is our right how can you have a joint meeting on your regular

1384
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:13,869
meeting oh oh you've never been to one of these have you i talk a lot and i do i talk a lot

1385
01:34:16,829 --> 01:34:21,149
you don't have to warn yours and we'll just warn it that we're going to meet there

1386
01:34:21,149 --> 01:34:27,420
we shouldn't be making any decisions in there but we should just in order to be transparent

1387
01:34:27,979 --> 01:34:32,010
be a work session on the select boards end and that's what i was thinking

1388
01:34:32,649 --> 01:34:33,770
sure i don't care

1389
01:34:33,850 --> 01:34:38,270
you do it if it's a work session we don't have to warn it can we do it first

1390
01:34:38,270 --> 01:34:43,500
not last on their agenda because i don't want to listen to all their other stuff

1391
01:34:49,359 --> 01:34:55,640
well i mean they have an executive session sometimes for 45 minutes or so have ice cream

1392
01:34:57,369 --> 01:35:03,640
tuesday the 24th what time is your meeting that six i'm just picking on them

1393
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:11,770
six or six thirty six actually

1394
01:35:11,770 --> 01:35:14,970
this meeting you would let lori know

1395
01:35:15,050 --> 01:35:19,579
so she can stay open i can go fast

1396
01:35:22,329 --> 01:35:25,930
you don't have to yeah you don't have to stay you can go get ice cream

1397
01:35:25,930 --> 01:35:30,010
you're not gonna miss anything or be on camera tuesday the 24th beth you'll let

1398
01:35:30,010 --> 01:35:40,109
lori know warn it as a meeting then we're done okay all right uh review employee policy handbook

1399
01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:47,739
that is going to be pushed off again unfortunately we'll get to it though yeah

1400
01:35:51,449 --> 01:36:11,420
correspondence lori i received our milk's club saying that they'll be having their flag day

1401
01:36:11,420 --> 01:36:21,869
ceremony on saturday june 14th they're inviting you and a guest to come and let's go for ice cream

1402
01:36:26,140 --> 01:36:36,479
what day june 14th saturday okay if you'd like to go let me know so that they can plan to have it

1403
01:36:38,250 --> 01:36:40,729
or if not let me know so that i can keep going

1404
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:44,760
i've seen pam going into the room

1405
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:58,479
i've been invited every year through the club life member

1406
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:00,479
i've been a member for 41 years

1407
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:11,739
okay so what uh what time is between the time of it's both and all over

1408
01:37:11,739 --> 01:37:15,229
i'll let lori know yeah i will okay um

1409
01:37:15,229 --> 01:37:17,229
is that it correspondence

1410
01:37:17,229 --> 01:37:19,770
what else correspondence lori

1411
01:37:20,250 --> 01:37:31,439
counting our delinquent dog update the first one for this year we have 19 dogs who are aware of

1412
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:53,079
13 owners if not this point license okay turn it over to loop follow through to loop how about the

1413
01:37:53,079 --> 01:38:00,970
ones you said there's some that uh aren't on your list but the vets send you their

1414
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:06,199
certificate of rabies and go oh these people have a dog that's not registered

1415
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,260
they think we don't know okay

1416
01:38:10,859 --> 01:38:15,420
okay but their dog never their dog never leaves the house so

1417
01:38:20,619 --> 01:38:41,050
yeah yeah to save that what 15 bucks okay what else do you have lori um

1418
01:38:43,340 --> 01:38:56,649
were you able to get the um road commissioner duty form okay because we signed it uh we

1419
01:38:56,649 --> 01:39:03,369
adopted it april 3rd signed it but there was um one item missing so if we can

1420
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:09,800
readopt this and sign it what's this one it's the job description for the road commissioner

1421
01:39:12,750 --> 01:39:18,109
dave you will be working every saturday and sunday i like this part about bringing a third

1422
01:39:21,310 --> 01:39:26,989
including deer season now um alert the select board to long and short range

1423
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:36,109
develop a listing of such needs and assist in prioritizing tasks or projects i'm still hiring

1424
01:39:36,510 --> 01:39:44,960
oh didn't you sign motion second all in favor hi hi huh i'm not ambitious enough not anymore

1425
01:39:47,039 --> 01:39:53,550
can i use your pen i don't want to shine in purple you can do my job sit there work four hours a day

1426
01:39:53,550 --> 01:39:59,069
for four days a week sure unless something goes wrong that's the part you gotta watch out for

1427
01:40:04,460 --> 01:40:09,180
mike do you want to sign i won't sign with red i know you don't like that no that's why i have

1428
01:40:09,180 --> 01:40:10,060
blown

1429
01:40:10,060 --> 01:40:22,239
seven years huh

1430
01:40:22,399 --> 01:40:39,470
seven don't bring it up because i'll start talking about roads again okay um review first

1431
01:40:39,470 --> 01:40:44,989
quarter financials lori will put them in our box what about old business you skipped right over old

1432
01:40:44,989 --> 01:40:49,550
business what else old business well i have something that could be old business okay go for

1433
01:40:49,550 --> 01:40:57,069
it so the sheriff got me oh okay said how you guys doing yeah yeah i figured it's old so he just said

1434
01:40:57,069 --> 01:41:03,310
um if you he's still available to talk to him if you guys want to talk to him about a contract or

1435
01:41:03,310 --> 01:41:07,710
any needs to the sheriff's department must be looking i don't know if it's this time of year

1436
01:41:07,710 --> 01:41:14,430
or whatever if the board decides that they want to pursue that i just told him i would let you know

1437
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:21,710
and if you guys want to get back to him then i can at this time he's going to come down and talk to

1438
01:41:21,710 --> 01:41:27,949
us here if he wants if you want him to he could um he just asked me he says how you guys doing in town

1439
01:41:28,590 --> 01:41:34,510
if you want um i can give you a new con you know a contract to look at we didn't even have it on the

1440
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:41,479
town meeting last year so unless i i mean personally i agree with kurt i think we just

1441
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:50,539
can't afford what we want but to what we can't afford is to me it's not worth it well i agree

1442
01:41:50,539 --> 01:41:55,100
with him just wanted to get something new it's always worth listening yeah i can i can ask him

1443
01:41:55,100 --> 01:41:59,659
if he wants to come down and just if he has anything if he doesn't want to come down just

1444
01:41:59,659 --> 01:42:05,260
ask him if there's anything new that you can add to that okay what can you do sure okay sure

1445
01:42:06,140 --> 01:42:11,819
yeah it might be you never know you might be looking for he may need to fill his book slot yeah

1446
01:42:13,500 --> 01:42:20,510
yeah so sorry to jump around here but um cindy just got back to me and asked me if you guys at

1447
01:42:20,510 --> 01:42:38,460
6 30 start we can do the most of our meetings 6 30 yeah yeah and you mentioned one time you

1448
01:42:38,460 --> 01:42:43,180
wanted to ask the principal and the superintendent there but do you want on at this meeting with the

1449
01:42:43,180 --> 01:42:47,710
school board i don't care i think it's all a public meeting so they want they're going to be

1450
01:42:47,869 --> 01:42:51,149
i think they're just good with the school board right principal to be there right

1451
01:42:51,149 --> 01:43:00,750
place and yeah principal grows all your meetings right um so what else

1452
01:43:00,750 --> 01:43:05,850
moving uh i just have to get going but i wanted to take a minute in this area in

1453
01:43:05,850 --> 01:43:14,920
january first time meeting a lot of ketchup nice to meet you jerry jerry where do you live

1454
01:43:18,279 --> 01:43:18,760
oh nice

1455
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:28,960
stay away from that

1456
01:43:33,260 --> 01:43:45,689
have a dance take care thank you jerry i guess that's it um any other new business

1457
01:43:49,449 --> 01:43:52,890
make a motion to go into executive session for personnel matter

1458
01:43:52,890 --> 01:44:00,590
and we're doing pending or probable civil litigation nothing just a personal person okay

1459
01:44:01,229 --> 01:44:08,060
second all in favor all right okay thank you all get out go have some ice cream