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I'd like to take this session to the personnel at 6 o'clock.

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And just a correction on the agenda, it's open the door bids for the garage, not paving it.

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It really is paving.

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Oh, it is?

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Order of next meeting.

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Oh, yeah, sorry.

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I was with you, but today is our time for that.

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Invitation to bid.

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Completely fine.

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Bids will be submitted on April 17th.

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Paving.

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Door.

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Oh, but we changed it tonight.

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That's a draft.

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Oh, I think it is.

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During the meeting, we actually changed it.

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Oh, okay.

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All right.

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Diane.

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For the moment, we'd love to meet you.

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I'm sure we'll hear it from one of us.

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Let's see.

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I'll break it.

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Get it on.

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And make sure that it's a good one.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Is there anything else we need to do?

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Yeah.

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How are you doing?

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Good.

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Can I just ask you to go into executive session for a person?

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Okay, Ms. McGee.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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We have a motion to go into executive session.

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There we go.

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See you later.

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See you later.

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Sheila, we would like you to stay.

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All right.

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We'll go finish our ride.

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We'll go to the next one.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Sheila.

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She's coming at 6.

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Can I get my tour at, say, 615?

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Oh, yeah.

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Okay.

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Because I figured you got it.

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Good.

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Thank you.

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You can go to here.

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You'll visit her.

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She'll come to there.

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Okay.

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I would like to reconvene the meeting at until 20 after.

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Did everybody sign all their paperwork here?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I'm going to go to the next meeting.

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I'm going to go to the next meeting.

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I'm going to go to the next meeting.

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I'm going to go to the next meeting.

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I'm going to go to the next meeting.

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I'm going to go to the next meeting.

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So.

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Thank you for having me.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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That's all right.

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Thank you,OUGH.

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You've worked very, very hard in this course.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And you did an excellent job.

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That's great.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Bye-bye.

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Bye-bye.

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Watch it.

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That's turning in.

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351 00R Sham liebe.

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36B Да, tschüss, vocês bem, tschüss.

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Right there.

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First order of business, we have bids to open.

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And then we can table that until later on in the meeting.

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We said we're opening at 6 o'clock.

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Open the paving bed for the day.

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Maybe not.

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Really steal them.

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We have one bid from Allstate Construction.

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Oh, I don't want to hold him up either.

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It's for one-inch hot mix asphalt shim.

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How many roads are we doing?

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Just east road.

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We have a grant.

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We have a grant for that.

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$150,000.

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And single chip seal at $81,000.

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Are these two separate?

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It's one job.

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It's just you shim it first and then chip seal it.

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That's what our grant's for.

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So it's about $232,000.

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It seems we only have one bid.

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Is the grant covered?

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No.

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No.

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No, we were...

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$85,000?

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So we were...

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I don't remember.

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Because you guys went up to that emergency meeting, if you recall, for the ARPA funds.

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Yeah.

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So some of it is covered by the ARPA funds.

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Some of it's covered by the grant.

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And then some of it's...

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I think we covered most of it by ARPA.

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And we had money.

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You did.

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Saved for.

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Yeah.

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And you spent ARPA on other things, but those things are going to cover the rest of that.

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Right.

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So I don't think there's any town money, any tax money that we have to raise for this.

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No.

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You want to look it over today first, or are you good?

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That's pretty simple.

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Is there tonnage on that at all, Rob?

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Yes, there is.

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Yes.

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$1,250 ton for the one-inch hop mix, asphalt shim, and 22 estrus.

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22 sy?

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Square yards.

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Single chip seal.

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And we have it in there for whoever does the job has to do the traffic control.

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Correct.

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Is that in there?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Town will supply sweeping.

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Yep.

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Traffic control, all material.

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One-year warranty completed by September 15th, 2025.

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That sounds like everything that we have.

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Liability insurance.

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Liability insurance.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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All of that.

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Ny liability insurance here?

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Yes.

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Oh, yeah.

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I got.

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Dave are you comfortable with this?

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That's what we figured.

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Can I have a motion?

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Second?

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Second.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Next, hearing with condensed care?

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Aye.

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Sign明

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app pela

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escape

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Not here.

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Sorry to keep you waiting.

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No, no.

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Thank you for having us.

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Hello

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Anna.

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How are you everyone?

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. . Nobody here since we've been here.

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give an update on us forest service activities in stanford and near stanford as well um i've got um

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some martina barnes i'm the district ranger in manchester and i've got stacy stratton who's our

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timber program manager and steve ketlick who's uh working on our rec projects part of the time and

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worthwhile projects also um so yeah we just wanted we brought a map again which will leave with you

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we have um yeah so we're just going to kind of talk about primarily the timber activities

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happening and the recreation projects um ongoing uh both in both cases and i did want to mention

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uh a um that the dutch hill timber sale which is in greensboro but you probably you know saw a lot

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of the activity and um made me notice that we had posted a closure order

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in that area

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for due to safety concerns around public safety with the very large equipment um driving in and

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around that area over the winter months and that logging is currently has ended and we have

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rescinded the closure order so the area is now open for use again to the public so and stacy can

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talk more specifically with questions about that um the future plans there but um so that's positive news

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and um the um roaring branch uh timber sale uh not timber sale land acquisition uh which is um in

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well also partially in reedsboro partially in stamford is still still in the works um but it is

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due to staffing shortages um on the forest we're going to be losing our fourth surveyor um so it's

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it's going to still be a while until that that causes that that property closes um i i don't

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want to venture a guess but not probably not within the next year for sure it's not longer so um

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excuse me you said heart reads where that's that little piece right that little piece up the top

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though well yeah well this is all a big piece that's right yes yes but oh that's right oh i thought

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Is that, it's a donation from Park Forestry, Mr., yeah.

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Is that the one with the land of public trust?

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That is the one with the trust for public safety.

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So who owns the land, still the land of public trust?

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Did you realize when you pursued that

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that that is a water resource for Stanford

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that's being taken away, Broadbrook?

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Does not Broadbrook.

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It's part of that land that goes through there.

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And it used to feed the city of North Adams

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for about 150 years.

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I thought the city of North Adams was further west end.

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Was it further up?

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Yeah, it comes down, it just all comes down.

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Because this is like a roaring brookway, isn't it?

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Yes, this is which way does the brook travel?

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To which way does the brook travel?

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Where is Broadbrook?

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Broadbrook's on the other side.

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That's over to the west.

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This is going up by Tim Meshika.

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Forrest has owned a lot over there.

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Forrest has it now.

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So that was part of the acquisition of North Adams?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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About 10, 12 years ago, I think.

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2007, 2008?

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I think, yeah.

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How many acres is that?

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That is 14, 20, 1,000 acres.

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Well, that's all national forestry.

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Well, right now it's owned by this non-profit

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called the Trust for Public Safety.

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Right.

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It's also owned by the Forest Service.

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So that's, they're basically holding it

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until the Forest Service fires it.

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So if we wanted to query about a water source

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that we used to own with the national forest,

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how would we do that?

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What kind of question would you be asking us?

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Could we have water rights that the land is still there?

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I don't know exactly the process of it.

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Mark, you would probably want to use a pipe.

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uh going from there to north adams right now that they use right up to right i'd have to

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read our our lands staff on the forest would have to look in the records for one that like

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i have one other question we take a reduced fee from the national forest on taxes we

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obviously pay very very low taxes on the amount of land that you have i think it's 20 or 30 000.

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is there any way that we can get that scaled up because we can't do anything with it anymore we

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can't our town can't grow because of all these sales that people in the past let go so is there

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a way to query the government to get this raised up a little bit for the thousands of acres like

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the payment in lieu of taxes yes yeah that's a i that's a way above my pay grade of being able to

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make those that's probably a political answer have you ever heard of anybody going after it i mean

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yeah i think that's more speak to your elected officials to where that's not our i mean we're

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no okay i'm just asking there used to be several different ways you know the pilt you know payment

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lure taxes is something we use now but we used to have secure rural schools and so like when we sold

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a timber sale the town got 25 of all the proceeds and i think that's gone away and they decided to

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go with pills because it's easier you know if a town said we don't want any logging they didn't

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get any money from any of their land then you know that's what happened with that but i think it's

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that there's a

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that it's a political answer i hate to say that but that's that's fine i just thought while you're

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here oh it's been a good question though okay thank you i mean to go back on the first question

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about like water systems there are other towns that have water systems on the floor some of them

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require a special use permit it depends what's located if it's a well a pump house but i know

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of like some municipal systems that feed like a dozen homes in a community or something and

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we have like south rolling group has a collection facility

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it's on the forest so there are ways to get like you're talking specifically the broadbrook

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that's essentially what broadbrook broadbrook did yeah a couple houses over in lamestown and

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parts of our battles but yeah it's all they're i mean they're talking about working dams off

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there you know right it's that it's not going to be a functional water source

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look around at the dome trailhead right there right now

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so you're saying none of the water comes from stanford

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all the water comes from stanford i mean so why does it come from stanford that goes into the

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deer field there's water that comes from stanford that goes over towards bennington stanford's a

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source of water so north adams took the time to spend a lot of money to pipe in right up into

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stanford i've seen the pipes mark they're not going to do it anymore they're going to dismantle

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yeah but i'm saying it's there and it's a possibility for us

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because there's no way we can dig wells here because of contamination stuff

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but if we could pipe in water right then they don't have to live on the same thing

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so it's just the bottom we've given away a couple a sucker pond i think you've

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what does it mean

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hydrological studies

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yeah before you purchase

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okay

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stanford

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i don't know why it was before i got here but i would assume that you know we

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did some type of research see what we were getting and how it was being managed before

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because we're gonna like you know we're gonna acquire a piece of land that we need to know

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who's got access to it you know you listen to the or something like that and because

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you have to manage for that right who keeps track of all the railways to their properties

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that's our link so the the lands staff and if it's a well yeah the

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yeah the land staff and uh we have all the files each acquisition each you guys hold on to that yeah

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we hold on to that and there's public access that you bet you don't look at it i think you have to

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ask those schedule it so we can get back and that's how where would you keep all that uh those

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are kept with our lands up in the men well we have some on the district some as well as some are in

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the mendon office they're more about the stuff in mind yeah but we do have some if we don't have a

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don't have it then we i usually refer them people to our headquarters office since we yeah we have

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files we have a lot of files though um from a lot of small acquisitions over the years but we don't

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want to take it we'll probably only wait a couple more minutes so we can quickly go over the sure

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like martina's they've got her information any questions you have if you come up with

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afterwards let her know and we can pass it along you know so um so my name is stacy stratton i'm the

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manager and i probably have met a lot of you here already over the years or someplace in other woods

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or something but uh so the camp casino timber sales off for pro 73 or i guess that's the i just

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can't just you know when you get the other end of it it's the pecos bill you know that area so

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that's almost all been harvested up there so there's a little bit left probably one winter

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hunter excavation just didn't get to it this winter they harvested the dutch hill sale instead

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so the logging is done

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the hauling is all left to do because the mills weren't taking when it was a glut so it's all

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sitting on the landings but there's a ton of service work you know there was a lot of soil

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damage from past you know atvs off-road vehicles on that thin soil but we've got contracts with

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hunter to do water bars and we're trying to slow the water down try to repair some of the damage

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put up some rock barricades um you know do some site preparation to prepare for the next generation

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and we're able to make that happen so that's a lot of stuff to do we're making sure we're

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getting the right quality and the right quality of development and so we're not only getting

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the right quality but also the right size so we're not having to put up with the

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much but they've improved that road quite a bit if you've been over there broadbrook timber sale

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there hasn't been any operations on that that's another hunter excavation owns that one the main

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access for that is off of risky ranch road you know there's a an oval road that goes in that way

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plus you know we're trying to get some access in town the maltese timber sale you know a lot

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of the units are off the maltese road off the county road and then off risky ranch that that

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can operate on a little bit uh this one here again um you know uh i think uh mr cynical you

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know i wrote mike cynical that i think he bought that this is stewardship there's a lot of service

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work to go with that too but i don't think we have any more sales down here planned but we do we're

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going to be in reedsboro for some more sales over there and um hoosick ridge and then another one

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over off the huddle palm room so that's kind of you know what you'll see us you know over there

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what is uh the

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position of windmills the national forest today what is it what is your position on windmills

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again we we have them on public land but i i don't know exactly what the position is and we're

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waiting for that so they're not a policy issue you know for the windmills we're not there's no

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so

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right planner been working down here a couple different projects but recreation in general

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the program priorities in stanford include public access um offering dispersed recreation

355
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opportunities and managing trails for a variety of user groups but first i'll talk a little bit

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about the appalachian trail and corridor management so we're focused on protecting

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the corridor that runs through stanford over the past few years there's a set warner shelter and a

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shelter that was just south of county road back in like the 80s it was moved once from like user

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conflicts which was dragged with a skidder but we continue to see user conflicts at that site with

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you know motorized vehicles and kids partying and things like that so we dismantled that shelter and

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there's a new set of shelter it's two miles up from county road on the appalachian trail

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so that's completed with a new backcountry privy brand new shelter this summer we're going to bring

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a bear box up there we

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have a food closure order basically so you don't attract bears to your site you need to get a bear

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box installed up there where you have to hang your food in a tree so you don't create like

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a problem with nuisance bears in the neighborhood but during the field season a couple other things

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going on with the appalachian trail we partner with the green mountain club

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they're going to relocate the appalachian trail just at the power line

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where it hits massachusetts because it's on private land so it doesn't really offer much

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protection

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permanently for that trail corridor so they're going to move it on a national forest to provide

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that permanent protection and then green mountain club is also going to have a trail crew working

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in stanford from about that area up to risky ranch just over time the traffic we see about 15 000

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through hikers on that trail each year so it's just washed out and muddy needs some attention

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so i'll switch gears to atb and off-highway

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vehicle management so we've got two trails in town the sucker pond trail and then the risky

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ranch trail so over the past few years in partnership with the stanford group riders

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cleaned up the risky ranch trail that party spot the sickle hole to refer to

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i was just out there this past week there's still some tire burning going on but the big pit with

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all the like fire pit the furniture has been pretty cleaned up the club helped block off some

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around it that were getting torn up with some logs and rock barriers and the

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club also worked on a section of County Road leading down from the power line to

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the intersection so I feel like it's looking better. We've had some law

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enforcement presence last year. Patrols will continue this year a little bit as

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well. The sucker pond trail itself is now closed for summer OHV use for a few

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reasons but it's still open for snowmobile use. We just installed a gate

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last fall at the County Road intersection. It did get damaged on the

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back and when the gate was closed it got rammed, bent, broke the pin off so we just

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repaired it and closed it since snowmobile season ended but we're still

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trying to work with the clubs on the Bennington side to get support from the

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town. So basically when the sucker pond trail runs north it hits a right-of-way

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that the town of Bennington has those water rights and all those camps

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and that's what we're trying to do.

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So they can access from the Woodford side all those camp owners but multiple

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times when we've gone to talk to the town of Bennington they say there's a

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lot of issues and they would prefer just to keep it permission only to the camp

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owners at the moment. So until they're willing to open it to all public use or

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have it on like the VASA network we basically need both towns on each end to

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kind of support it in order to open it up to the general public. Then we would

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improve the trail.

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Now we're looking to move up to Bumper He disastrous trail.

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It's got a good section for the trail.

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There's a one section we need to have the location in.

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There's no trend which would be a lot of rock work.

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There is one wetland relocation that still needs to happen.

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We had some different folks look at it.

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There was a potential grant from the state it's the recreation trail program grant.

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They have a clause that basically the trail can't be located in a wetland so that one

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section needs about a 1,200 foot relocation.

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So there's a lot of money that we don't have to invest in the trail.

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We have a little bit of money from Bronco Wild a couple of years ago.

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And we've invested all of that into the Stagecoach Trail.

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Stanford Ridge Riders have done a lot of volunteer work.

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VASA had their excavator out there resurfacing it.

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So ideally, we would like, if we could get,

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basically, the towns to support it on both ends

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and we can comply with our forest management plan

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that says our trails have to connect

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basically multi-town summer motorized trail system

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or not have a trail termini on our land.

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So basically, right now, if you can't drive on

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county road as part of a VASA network,

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then that basically would be like a dead-end trail.

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You'd have to turn back if you're not a resident of Stanford.

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I believe you guys have it only open to Stanford right now,

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like the Pond Lake?

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Not on there, no.

428
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No?

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It got changed.

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So it's open, is it on the VASA network now?

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We were kinda waiting until we got 301

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before we went back and had it.

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We're still working very close with law enforcement

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because there's still,

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there's still a lot of, we call them cowboys or whatever.

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So hopefully our patrols can help with that,

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but basically we would like to address these few issues on,

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complying with our forest management plan,

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having the support on the other end,

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and then investing in the tread

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and blocking off a lot of the muddy routes along it.

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Along the stagecoach trail,

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seems like it's respected, folks stay on the route.

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They don't bash into the VAS gates

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and go up on the Snowmobile network in the summer months.

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There's a little more patrol up in that area.

447
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Yeah, so that's what we're looking for down here.

448
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Well, we were gonna talk,

449
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what happened to that meeting on the 10th of April

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you guys were supposed to have?

451
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The round table?

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Oh, there was a forest-

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All the user groups were supposed to sit down

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and talk about a lot of this stuff?

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They got canceled.

456
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Yeah, that was like a forest-wide meeting,

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yeah, due to all the issues currently with-

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Yeah, we decided to cancel it.

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Our forest supervisor decided to cancel it, yeah,

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so we'll just have to work through it individually.

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So we're making a lot of progress in that general area.

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VAS is gonna be back out.

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We have $40,000 this summer through the Bronco Wild funding

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and then we have $15,000 from the Forest Service

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to keep investing in this OHP system,

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but we really need to convince

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the northern town to basically open it

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to folks besides just the camp.

469
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Well, we just worked with the town of Woodford.

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We have some paperwork,

471
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I don't know if they got given to you, yeah?

472
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No.

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There was another thing we were gonna talk about

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last week at that meeting.

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So the town of Woodford has it as a town road

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all the way up to that Bennington right-of-way,

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so with that, we don't really get into a legal battle

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over the authority of that.

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They have no gate.

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We just installed a new gate after the last camp access,

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so now-

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Yeah.

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Suck-a-pon on the National Forest

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outside of the Woodford Town Road

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and outside of the right-of-way for the access camps

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is gated, because it's not snowmobile season.

487
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It's a snowmobile peak camp, right?

488
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Yeah, so we'll see how those gates hold up,

489
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but long story short, we have to have a lot more funding

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to kind of improve that and get it around this wetland area.

491
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And to me, the state grant requirements,

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they don't wanna see it running through that wetland area,

493
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so in order to get the funding,

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we have to kind of comply with some of the wetlands.

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I think they're still waiting,

496
00:27:40,009 --> 00:27:42,130
federally funded, that RTP program.

497
00:27:42,130 --> 00:27:44,650
I don't know if they even did that yet.

498
00:27:44,650 --> 00:27:45,490
Yeah.

499
00:27:45,490 --> 00:27:47,589
They have to extend it to sign off or something like that.

500
00:27:47,589 --> 00:27:49,509
That's a lot of the funding we were supposed to get

501
00:27:49,509 --> 00:27:51,609
for trail bridges, but snowmobile bridges

502
00:27:51,609 --> 00:27:52,910
didn't come through this year,

503
00:27:52,910 --> 00:27:56,470
so VAST is kind of waiting for us.

504
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:58,630
We have funding from past agreements,

505
00:27:58,630 --> 00:28:01,670
and some of our invoices are getting paid,

506
00:28:01,670 --> 00:28:04,329
but any new money we're expecting this year is now paused.

507
00:28:04,329 --> 00:28:05,529
Yeah, no, they don't hold.

508
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:08,150
So anyways, I feel like we've made

509
00:28:08,150 --> 00:28:10,150
a lot of good progress down there,

510
00:28:10,150 --> 00:28:12,529
and Risky Ranch is looking a lot better.

511
00:28:13,450 --> 00:28:15,750
And we do have a new law enforcement officer, Jeff.

512
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:17,849
We have a new patrol captain, Chris Denton.

513
00:28:17,849 --> 00:28:19,349
We haven't met them yet.

514
00:28:19,349 --> 00:28:22,470
So we've been cleaning up the Rose Barn,

515
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:24,390
just like the Risky Ranch at the other end,

516
00:28:24,390 --> 00:28:28,829
with just complaints about partying, late night ATVs,

517
00:28:28,829 --> 00:28:31,369
going back into Bennington, on Burgess Road.

518
00:28:31,369 --> 00:28:34,769
So as we have this law enforcement presence

519
00:28:34,769 --> 00:28:35,609
and a few resources,

520
00:28:35,609 --> 00:28:38,710
I mean, $40,000 isn't enough, but it's a start.

521
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:41,410
So I feel like we're finally getting a little bit

522
00:28:41,410 --> 00:28:45,009
of progress towards getting that back open.

523
00:28:45,009 --> 00:28:47,910
So I'd be happy to meet outside

524
00:28:47,910 --> 00:28:50,670
of like a big stakeholder meeting with Woodford,

525
00:28:50,670 --> 00:28:52,630
with VASA, with Bennington.

526
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:54,450
I know Mike Smith was a big proponent

527
00:28:54,450 --> 00:28:56,170
trying to get that access.

528
00:28:56,170 --> 00:28:58,329
I know he was trying to convince the town of Bennington,

529
00:28:58,329 --> 00:29:00,670
but every time we called, they're like,

530
00:29:00,670 --> 00:29:03,450
eh, let's just keep it for camp owners for now.

531
00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:05,369
And they're kind of nervous with,

532
00:29:05,369 --> 00:29:07,710
even though there is no enforcement of that.

533
00:29:07,710 --> 00:29:08,549
Let's be honest.

534
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:09,970
They don't really want to even go up there,

535
00:29:09,970 --> 00:29:12,569
because, I mean, there's more than just ATVs.

536
00:29:12,569 --> 00:29:14,109
You have Jeeps and trucks.

537
00:29:14,109 --> 00:29:15,450
Yeah, yeah.

538
00:29:15,450 --> 00:29:17,829
I mean, I barely got out there to close the gate.

539
00:29:17,829 --> 00:29:21,710
Why don't you go up there with multiple agencies?

540
00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:26,869
Well, let's set something up outside of this.

541
00:29:26,869 --> 00:29:27,769
We'll be talking to you guys,

542
00:29:27,769 --> 00:29:29,670
because they're going to be coming down,

543
00:29:29,670 --> 00:29:31,529
there's a small section up on Stagecoach

544
00:29:31,529 --> 00:29:34,529
from Ryder Clear, the old Ryder farm, out to the Stonebridge.

545
00:29:34,529 --> 00:29:37,529
I'm not going to finish that up.

546
00:29:37,529 --> 00:29:38,549
Yeah.

547
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:41,789
So in a nutshell, if we can manage it

548
00:29:41,789 --> 00:29:44,289
and have partners that will help us manage it

549
00:29:44,289 --> 00:29:47,190
and come in force and respect staying on the trail,

550
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:49,930
then I feel like we can get this back onto our system.

551
00:29:49,930 --> 00:29:54,269
That was our general intention with that Southwood Route 9

552
00:29:54,269 --> 00:29:57,650
proposal, was to have that open with Stagecoach.

553
00:29:57,650 --> 00:30:01,289
And that trail and road was always there on Sucker Pond.

554
00:30:01,289 --> 00:30:03,930
And when we picked it up from the Trust for Public Land,

555
00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:04,529
it was a good thing.

556
00:30:04,529 --> 00:30:06,750
But we didn't really have the capacity to manage it.

557
00:30:06,750 --> 00:30:08,069
And we'll just let it go.

558
00:30:08,069 --> 00:30:11,130
And then it got to the point where it's pretty bad.

559
00:30:11,130 --> 00:30:12,789
Resource damage is nasty up there.

560
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:13,289
Yeah.

561
00:30:13,289 --> 00:30:16,609
So if we could reel that in and have enough funding

562
00:30:16,609 --> 00:30:21,700
to address it, then we could get it back on our system.

563
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:23,680
I'd like to see it back open, but we just

564
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,859
need to meet those objectives that are already in our force.

565
00:30:26,859 --> 00:30:28,839
And law enforcement keeps on talking.

566
00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:31,420
It'd be easier for them to patrol.

567
00:30:31,420 --> 00:30:34,420
Instead of driving all the way down here with the trailers,

568
00:30:34,619 --> 00:30:36,380
and the wheeler is to unload down here,

569
00:30:36,380 --> 00:30:41,640
just to unload in one place, and Woodford, just drive along.

570
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,079
Yeah, during the winter, I came out on a snowmobile.

571
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:47,460
I parked at Prospect Mountain, came over to Stagecoach.

572
00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:50,640
And then there isn't a trail bridge on a stream.

573
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,059
It's, I think it's the Stamford Stream.

574
00:30:53,059 --> 00:30:58,960
It's about halfway down, or no, it's actually Roaring Brook.

575
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,779
Either way, without a bridge on that, it wasn't that great.

576
00:31:02,779 --> 00:31:04,079
Oh, on Stamford Stream?

577
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:06,180
Well, you have to go up to Prospect Timbers,

578
00:31:06,180 --> 00:31:08,420
go over the Kelly Bridge, and that little 391

579
00:31:08,420 --> 00:31:10,680
loop down on Stamford Stream.

580
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,259
But what I noticed, instead of snowmobile tracks,

581
00:31:13,259 --> 00:31:16,119
there was a lot of UTV tracks all winter long out there.

582
00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:19,440
So it doesn't help the snowmobiles

583
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,539
when the razors are tearing it up.

584
00:31:22,539 --> 00:31:26,160
Anyways, I appreciate having a partner like Stamford Bridge

585
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:26,660
Riders.

586
00:31:26,660 --> 00:31:29,119
And without them, I don't think we would have gotten the ground

587
00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:30,539
we've gotten over at Risky Ranch.

588
00:31:30,539 --> 00:31:33,920
So I'd just like to try to keep that partnership going.

589
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:38,710
So thanks for having a little bit of time for us today.

590
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:40,369
Thank you for the update.

591
00:31:40,369 --> 00:31:42,869
And I'm sure they could call you if they have any questions.

592
00:31:42,869 --> 00:31:43,750
I'll let them reach us.

593
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:44,250
Yeah.

594
00:31:44,250 --> 00:31:44,750
Good.

595
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:45,410
Thank you.

596
00:31:45,410 --> 00:31:45,910
Thank you.

597
00:31:45,910 --> 00:31:46,410
Good night.

598
00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:46,910
Thank you.

599
00:31:46,910 --> 00:31:49,210
Have a great night.

600
00:31:49,210 --> 00:31:52,369
Is it they saying that the logging is done

601
00:31:52,369 --> 00:31:55,410
for the point in Camp Casino and Roaring Brook?

602
00:31:55,410 --> 00:31:58,410
No, we need that at the end of the day.

603
00:31:58,410 --> 00:31:59,410
I'm Cardinal Brook.

604
00:31:59,410 --> 00:31:59,910
That's it.

605
00:31:59,910 --> 00:32:02,410
Pretty cool.

606
00:32:02,410 --> 00:32:02,910
Yeah.

607
00:32:02,910 --> 00:32:03,410
Very neat.

608
00:32:03,410 --> 00:32:03,910
Very neat.

609
00:32:04,309 --> 00:32:05,490
Thank you.

610
00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:06,130
Thank you.

611
00:32:06,130 --> 00:32:07,730
Thank you.

612
00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:08,930
Thank you.

613
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:09,410
Thank you.

614
00:32:09,410 --> 00:32:10,009
Thank you.

615
00:32:10,009 --> 00:32:10,509
Thank you.

616
00:32:10,509 --> 00:32:11,049
Yeah.

617
00:32:11,049 --> 00:32:11,690
Thank you.

618
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:12,509
Bye-bye.

619
00:32:12,509 --> 00:32:13,009
Bye.

620
00:32:13,009 --> 00:32:13,950
Thank you.

621
00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:14,529
Bye.

622
00:32:14,529 --> 00:32:15,549
Yep.

623
00:32:15,549 --> 00:32:16,109
See you.

624
00:32:16,109 --> 00:32:16,609
for that.

625
00:32:16,609 --> 00:32:16,970
we get another one.

626
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:17,470
Yes.

627
00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:17,970
Please.

628
00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:18,470
All right.

629
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:19,069
Thank you.

630
00:32:19,069 --> 00:32:19,569
A report.

631
00:32:19,569 --> 00:32:20,470
Thank you.

632
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:27,200
.

633
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,200
Back there.

634
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,819
Any other visitor before we move on to the meeting?

635
00:32:31,819 --> 00:32:33,900
Yes, Maureen.

636
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:36,460
Once again, I would like to just remind everyone

637
00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:39,240
of two excellent town events.

638
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:43,500
On May 3rd, the first Saturday in May,

639
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,299
is Green Up Day, which is a statewide program.

640
00:32:46,819 --> 00:32:48,660
It's from 8.30 to 11.30.

641
00:32:48,779 --> 00:32:51,720
Come to the school, get a donut, get some gloves,

642
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:55,400
get a bag, and pick up trash on your street

643
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,400
or someone else's.

644
00:32:57,019 --> 00:33:03,539
And then on May 10th is our second annual Resiliency Fair.

645
00:33:03,539 --> 00:33:08,319
It's here in the auditorium from 10 till 2.

646
00:33:08,980 --> 00:33:13,420
A number of speakers on resiliency efforts and ideas,

647
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,900
as well as folks who are local vendors

648
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:21,500
of locally produced goods.

649
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:25,099
Plus, we're going to have a community lunch and a band.

650
00:33:27,109 --> 00:33:29,710
Is the band going to be there all day playing?

651
00:33:30,069 --> 00:33:32,109
Probably starting at lunch.

652
00:33:32,109 --> 00:33:33,349
We'll probably be around.

653
00:33:33,569 --> 00:33:36,630
And it's Dan Hawkins' band.

654
00:33:37,829 --> 00:33:38,970
They're really good.

655
00:33:39,650 --> 00:33:40,450
Maybe we'll dance.

656
00:33:41,829 --> 00:33:42,369
I did.

657
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:43,369
Every girl.

658
00:33:44,029 --> 00:33:44,190
Yeah.

659
00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:47,799
Yes, they're amazing.

660
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,119
Thank you.

661
00:33:49,380 --> 00:33:50,559
Any other visitors?

662
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:50,980
Dave?

663
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,039
It looks like we have a discussion

664
00:33:54,039 --> 00:34:00,430
on the Planning Commission bylaw change or not.

665
00:34:02,009 --> 00:34:03,549
We're going to get to that.

666
00:34:03,549 --> 00:34:05,490
Okay, so I'll say that.

667
00:34:05,650 --> 00:34:10,280
For them, I received a call from somebody asking me

668
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,380
about what's going on in the center of town.

669
00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:16,139
And if a permit has been put in place

670
00:34:16,139 --> 00:34:17,699
for the renovation of the church.

671
00:34:18,179 --> 00:34:20,139
I guess something's been knocked down.

672
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,199
I don't really know.

673
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:22,639
So I should ask the AO.

674
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:26,860
Has anybody filed a permit?

675
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,480
To knock down a slab?

676
00:34:29,219 --> 00:34:30,940
Or knock down a slab?

677
00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:32,440
They've touched stuff in the church.

678
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,679
They've ripped off the front.

679
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:35,159
They've knocked down.

680
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:35,619
Dave, we don't have a permit.

681
00:34:35,619 --> 00:34:35,920
Dave, we don't have a permit.

682
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,019
Dave, we don't have a permit.

683
00:34:36,019 --> 00:34:36,079
Dave, we don't have a permit.

684
00:34:36,099 --> 00:34:38,239
We don't have anything for inside.

685
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:38,860
It doesn't matter.

686
00:34:38,860 --> 00:34:40,039
We don't have permits for inside.

687
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:41,840
No.

688
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:47,050
Any demolition to a building, inside or outside,

689
00:34:47,050 --> 00:34:48,429
needs a permit because?

690
00:34:48,429 --> 00:34:49,329
Not for demolition.

691
00:34:49,329 --> 00:34:51,050
Not for inside, Dave.

692
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:56,110
Well, let me tell you where I'm sorry.

693
00:34:56,110 --> 00:34:57,789
I've gone through this before.

694
00:34:57,789 --> 00:34:58,989
Not for inside.

695
00:34:58,989 --> 00:35:03,989
The church on that side was .

696
00:35:03,989 --> 00:35:06,530
Because of lead and asbestos, anything

697
00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:10,630
before 1978 where you start to do renovation,

698
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:13,329
especially on commercial property or a church,

699
00:35:13,329 --> 00:35:15,809
it needs a permit from the state of Vermont.

700
00:35:15,809 --> 00:35:18,449
So if there's lead and they've knocked anything

701
00:35:18,449 --> 00:35:21,349
on the outside with lead, it could contaminate the air,

702
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:23,369
the children at the school.

703
00:35:23,369 --> 00:35:25,570
The state requires a permit.

704
00:35:25,570 --> 00:35:27,869
And now I know we've knocked down houses in this town

705
00:35:27,869 --> 00:35:31,809
before without it, but we should have had a permit.

706
00:35:31,809 --> 00:35:34,179
It was illegal.

707
00:35:34,179 --> 00:35:36,719
And I have the information here.

708
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,539
You can call me.

709
00:35:37,539 --> 00:35:44,360
Call these people if you want at the state, and I'm just saying.

710
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,380
Are we sure they didn't get a permit from the state?

711
00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:51,139
The AO should have been informed first.

712
00:35:51,139 --> 00:35:52,900
Yeah, maybe.

713
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:53,780
I didn't need it.

714
00:35:53,780 --> 00:35:56,900
I mean, you are our main, right.

715
00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:58,260
You are our main contact.

716
00:35:58,260 --> 00:36:00,980
A building or a garage.

717
00:36:00,980 --> 00:36:02,260
Was it a garage?

718
00:36:02,260 --> 00:36:03,139
OK.

719
00:36:03,139 --> 00:36:05,039
Sure, it wasn't insulated.

720
00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:06,000
Yeah.

721
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,340
And it kind of leaked a lot.

722
00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:11,099
Well, it's just that if we don't take

723
00:36:11,099 --> 00:36:13,659
hold of this and people just start knocking and burning stuff

724
00:36:13,659 --> 00:36:16,159
and come on.

725
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,619
Do we have in our zoning bylaws anything

726
00:36:18,619 --> 00:36:21,219
that says demolition or removing?

727
00:36:21,219 --> 00:36:22,099
It's a state permit.

728
00:36:22,099 --> 00:36:23,260
It's a state permit.

729
00:36:23,260 --> 00:36:25,420
It's not a .

730
00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:33,920
But the AO generally would say, hey, you're in violation.

731
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,579
But it looks like I left it at home.

732
00:36:37,579 --> 00:36:41,980
I do have the permit.

733
00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:43,340
Oh, here it is.

734
00:36:43,340 --> 00:36:44,300
Here you go.

735
00:36:48,050 --> 00:36:50,170
I'm going to create a habit for anybody, for anyone.

736
00:36:50,170 --> 00:36:54,530
You get the calls, and if you don't do anything, everybody's out.

737
00:36:54,530 --> 00:36:59,969
Here's what's required for any renovation or demolition

738
00:36:59,969 --> 00:37:07,980
of any building before 1970 will come and say, look.

739
00:37:07,980 --> 00:37:13,579
So I'm hoping it's whoever is doing the demolition.

740
00:37:13,579 --> 00:37:14,780
The contractors.

741
00:37:14,780 --> 00:37:17,659
Yeah, the town is the first line of defense

742
00:37:17,659 --> 00:37:19,420
because we're the ones raising the pollutants.

743
00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:19,780
Yeah.

744
00:37:19,780 --> 00:37:21,539
We're the ones raising the pollutants of asbestos and lead

745
00:37:21,539 --> 00:37:22,380
going into the air.

746
00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:25,420
Well, then we should talk about the middle one as well.

747
00:37:25,420 --> 00:37:27,409
What about it?

748
00:37:27,409 --> 00:37:30,489
That burned and it's just infested with everything.

749
00:37:30,489 --> 00:37:32,659
You know, same thing.

750
00:37:32,659 --> 00:37:33,980
It's not knocked down no more.

751
00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:35,699
No.

752
00:37:35,699 --> 00:37:37,340
OK, well.

753
00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:40,119
This is any time demolition takes place.

754
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:41,260
You have to have a state permit.

755
00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:44,940
Hopefully the contractor is following the asbestos

756
00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:46,619
if there is some there.

757
00:37:46,619 --> 00:37:50,980
Lead paint, if there is some there, we don't know.

758
00:37:50,980 --> 00:37:51,619
They just say it.

759
00:37:51,619 --> 00:37:52,659
It doesn't matter.

760
00:37:52,659 --> 00:37:56,860
You have to bring down the Vermont asbestos.

761
00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:58,300
It's not our responsibility.

762
00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:01,679
It's the contractor or the owner.

763
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:03,599
And we have no right to enforce this.

764
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:04,480
We do have a right.

765
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,559
The town, it is the town's responsibility.

766
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:11,039
I believe there was an inspection report, 75 page

767
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:17,599
inspection report that the owners probably have now.

768
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:19,719
The town had it.

769
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,800
And I'm sure the owner's got a copy of it.

770
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,210
Yeah.

771
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:24,250
Just like the sign.

772
00:38:24,250 --> 00:38:27,010
I mean, the state rules.

773
00:38:27,010 --> 00:38:31,260
It's great that we have bylaws in this town.

774
00:38:31,260 --> 00:38:32,460
You can't override the state.

775
00:38:32,460 --> 00:38:34,539
And the state says.

776
00:38:34,539 --> 00:38:36,539
And I don't know how to be fine for this.

777
00:38:36,539 --> 00:38:37,780
I mean, I can dig a little bit.

778
00:38:37,780 --> 00:38:40,420
If you want to put this to bed right now, I'll check into it.

779
00:38:40,420 --> 00:38:42,179
Thank you.

780
00:38:42,179 --> 00:38:45,820
Well, call Stephanie first and find out

781
00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:47,260
who her contractor is.

782
00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:49,230
Yeah.

783
00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:51,599
Thank you.

784
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:52,920
Any other visitors?

785
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:53,420
No.

786
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:57,219
Questions?

787
00:38:57,219 --> 00:39:01,760
Reading and approval of records and orders.

788
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,440
We signed all the orders.

789
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,519
But I have motions to accept the minutes of March 27

790
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:09,769
and April 3.

791
00:39:09,769 --> 00:39:11,369
I think we were all here.

792
00:39:11,369 --> 00:39:12,769
I was not here with the 27th.

793
00:39:12,769 --> 00:39:18,340
I'll motion for the third.

794
00:39:18,340 --> 00:39:20,380
Second.

795
00:39:20,380 --> 00:39:22,010
All in favor?

796
00:39:22,010 --> 00:39:23,489
Aye.

797
00:39:23,489 --> 00:39:26,030
And April 3.

798
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:27,030
Motion for the third.

799
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:28,750
Motion for the second.

800
00:39:28,750 --> 00:39:29,590
All in favor?

801
00:39:29,590 --> 00:39:30,150
Yes.

802
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:31,730
Aye.

803
00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:32,329
Thank you.

804
00:39:32,489 --> 00:39:32,989
Thank you.

805
00:39:32,989 --> 00:39:33,519
Thank you.

806
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:34,019
Thank you.

807
00:39:34,019 --> 00:39:34,519
$30.

808
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:35,019
$30.

809
00:39:35,019 --> 00:39:35,940
$30.

810
00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:36,440
$30.

811
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:36,940
$30.

812
00:39:36,940 --> 00:39:38,440
Day-grown conditions?

813
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,940
We started our spring road grading this week.

814
00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:44,940
Hopefully the snow is not going to happen anymore.

815
00:39:44,940 --> 00:39:47,440
Dealing with that, I guess, in the last couple weeks, too.

816
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,269
So we've done, on Monday we did some.

817
00:39:52,269 --> 00:39:53,769
We did some there.

818
00:39:53,769 --> 00:39:55,769
Today we've got Jackson Road.

819
00:39:55,769 --> 00:39:59,019
So I'm going to continue over on that side of town.

820
00:39:59,019 --> 00:40:03,019
And then we'll probably move to the Mill County Road section.

821
00:40:03,019 --> 00:40:04,699
And we'll see.

822
00:40:04,699 --> 00:40:06,199
And then we'll head north.

823
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:08,199
And then finish up with a class four.

824
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:11,199
But I mean, it takes weeks for us to get that done.

825
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:15,199
And the one that's not cooperating for that will be doing some ditching on East Road.

826
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:21,820
Trying to prep that road for the Chipsione project this summer.

827
00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:24,900
That's what we'll be doing.

828
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:26,900
All our equipment's in service now.

829
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:30,710
So we just got our ram back today.

830
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:32,400
How much?

831
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,719
$7,200.

832
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,219
And that's the one you're thinking of trading next year?

833
00:40:37,219 --> 00:40:37,719
Yeah.

834
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,719
Well, it takes two years now to get a truck.

835
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,719
And that one's already five years old.

836
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,360
And it's starting to get to the point where the reliability factor.

837
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,360
And then, you know, it's not going to be worth anything.

838
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,059
It's going to be paid this June, right?

839
00:40:56,059 --> 00:40:57,059
I believe so.

840
00:40:57,059 --> 00:40:59,559
So maybe we should start looking into it.

841
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:01,840
So wait until next year.

842
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,840
Just start looking into it now.

843
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:04,340
Yeah.

844
00:41:04,340 --> 00:41:06,840
I mean, I'll have prices for, you know, March.

845
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,840
Until the town can approve it.

846
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,039
Until the town can approve that.

847
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:11,039
Okay.

848
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:14,130
I guess that's our next step.

849
00:41:14,130 --> 00:41:17,130
I also am going to be working on it this fall.

850
00:41:17,130 --> 00:41:24,260
Coming up with a project for the Chipsione for the every five-year project that we do.

851
00:41:24,260 --> 00:41:30,260
And get prices on maybe paving some of the other, you know, higher maintenance sections of the road.

852
00:41:30,260 --> 00:41:33,579
And I believe it's time.

853
00:41:33,579 --> 00:41:40,090
It's time we needed to reconsider some of that.

854
00:41:40,090 --> 00:41:43,480
Any questions for me?

855
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,480
Recycling?

856
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,460
I don't know.

857
00:41:47,460 --> 00:41:50,519
I think our summer hours start here pretty quick.

858
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:52,519
We're open on Wednesday.

859
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:53,519
Oh, yeah.

860
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:54,519
That's Wednesday, right?

861
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:55,519
Yeah.

862
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:56,559
Yay.

863
00:41:56,559 --> 00:42:01,070
Look at the snow.

864
00:42:01,070 --> 00:42:03,070
I have a couple of things on recycling.

865
00:42:03,070 --> 00:42:06,070
I attended the alliance meeting yesterday.

866
00:42:06,070 --> 00:42:15,519
They talked about the SWPPP plan that two representatives from VCRC are willing to come down, talk to us about the SWPPP plan.

867
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:22,519
That we are required to update every five years.

868
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:29,159
And we have to submit that to the state by the end of June.

869
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:38,019
And the household hazardous waste facility in Bennington will be open on May 19th.

870
00:42:38,019 --> 00:42:45,019
You go on to the VCR website and you can pick a date and time that you would like to visit.

871
00:42:45,019 --> 00:42:46,019
Okay.

872
00:42:46,019 --> 00:42:54,230
And we would like to bring your household hazardous materials to Bennington.

873
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:56,230
And that's all I have.

874
00:42:56,230 --> 00:43:02,449
Unless somebody from the board would like to be the town rep to the alliance.

875
00:43:02,449 --> 00:43:04,449
Kurt, don't look away.

876
00:43:04,449 --> 00:43:06,449
Maybe we should nominate Mike.

877
00:43:06,449 --> 00:43:07,449
He's not here.

878
00:43:07,449 --> 00:43:09,449
There you go.

879
00:43:09,449 --> 00:43:11,449
That's the way.

880
00:43:11,449 --> 00:43:12,449
Think about it.

881
00:43:12,449 --> 00:43:13,449
It's only online.

882
00:43:13,449 --> 00:43:16,449
It's only one hour every three months.

883
00:43:16,449 --> 00:43:17,929
So.

884
00:43:17,929 --> 00:43:19,929
And hire VCRC to do all the leg work.

885
00:43:19,929 --> 00:43:30,239
Because there's no way we could do a 75 page SWPPP plan that the state requires.

886
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,239
Dave.

887
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,239
If I could just go back to road conditions really quick.

888
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,239
I've also been working with Jim Henderson a little bit.

889
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,269
He's going to come down next Tuesday.

890
00:43:40,269 --> 00:43:45,750
And we're going to come up with our project for the grant aid.

891
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:50,000
And I've talked to him some about the Suzanne Drive intersection.

892
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:56,360
For some reason he's not too thrilled about that for that grant.

893
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,360
But he said possibly a better back roads grant.

894
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:04,929
But he's also talking about working on Sportsman's Road.

895
00:44:04,929 --> 00:44:12,719
There's some undersized culverts as far as the hydronically connected road segments go.

896
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,039
So we may end up doing that.

897
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,199
We may end up up there anyways.

898
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:23,099
I did get a price for 50 feet of the culvert we will need for that.

899
00:44:23,099 --> 00:44:26,099
For the Suzanne Drive intersection.

900
00:44:26,099 --> 00:44:29,099
And the price of the culvert is $5,500.

901
00:44:29,099 --> 00:44:31,099
Just the culvert.

902
00:44:31,099 --> 00:44:33,099
They suggested a concrete head wall.

903
00:44:33,099 --> 00:44:35,099
They haven't got a price on that yet.

904
00:44:35,099 --> 00:44:43,900
But so I am trying to make some progress there.

905
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:48,929
Thank you.

906
00:44:48,929 --> 00:44:49,929
But it's on a local level.

907
00:44:49,929 --> 00:44:51,480
That's why.

908
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,480
Okay.

909
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,179
Discussion.

910
00:44:54,179 --> 00:44:56,179
Proposed by law public hearing.

911
00:44:56,179 --> 00:44:58,179
You've got a hand up over here.

912
00:44:58,179 --> 00:44:59,179
Oh.

913
00:44:59,179 --> 00:45:00,179
You're hiding.

914
00:45:00,179 --> 00:45:01,179
I am.

915
00:45:01,179 --> 00:45:02,179
Could you.

916
00:45:02,179 --> 00:45:10,519
Find out what we want to do about .

917
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:13,519
There's rocks sticking up like that in the middle of the road.

918
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:14,519
Gravel.

919
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:15,519
Gravel.

920
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:18,519
So I don't know .

921
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:23,269
Culvert.

922
00:45:23,269 --> 00:45:26,269
The metal culvert is sticking up.

923
00:45:26,269 --> 00:45:29,289
Half way over there.

924
00:45:29,289 --> 00:45:30,360
I don't know.

925
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,360
I don't know.

926
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,309
There's a lot of metal products there.

927
00:45:35,309 --> 00:45:36,309
Yeah.

928
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:38,309
I mean I went up there the other day.

929
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:39,309
I mean it was a classic.

930
00:45:39,309 --> 00:45:40,309
I mean it was a class four road.

931
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:41,309
Yeah.

932
00:45:41,309 --> 00:45:42,309
So the priority level isn't as high.

933
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:43,309
I'm not going to disagree with you.

934
00:45:43,309 --> 00:45:44,309
We use gravel in most of our class four roads.

935
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:45,340
Definitely need gravel.

936
00:45:45,340 --> 00:45:46,340
I think when I grade it here this spring it will improve.

937
00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:47,340
But you know.

938
00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:48,340
Like I said it's a class four road.

939
00:45:48,340 --> 00:45:49,340
And most of our budget is just.

940
00:45:49,340 --> 00:45:50,340
Mud season just takes it all.

941
00:45:50,340 --> 00:45:51,340
So.

942
00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:52,530
Oh.

943
00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:53,530
Can we go check it out?

944
00:45:53,530 --> 00:45:54,530
The rocks.

945
00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:55,530
No.

946
00:45:55,530 --> 00:45:57,559
Yeah.

947
00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:58,559
We'll just check it out.

948
00:45:58,559 --> 00:45:59,559
Yeah.

949
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:00,559
Yeah.

950
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:01,559
Yeah.

951
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:02,969
Yeah.

952
00:46:02,969 --> 00:46:03,969
Yeah.

953
00:46:03,969 --> 00:46:04,969
Yeah.

954
00:46:04,969 --> 00:46:05,969
Yeah.

955
00:46:05,969 --> 00:46:06,969
Yeah.

956
00:46:06,969 --> 00:46:07,969
Yeah.

957
00:46:07,969 --> 00:46:09,070
Yeah.

958
00:46:09,070 --> 00:46:10,230
Yeah.

959
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:11,230
Yeah.

960
00:46:11,230 --> 00:46:12,420
I was locked on the right side.

961
00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:13,420
Yeah.

962
00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:17,650
Okay.

963
00:46:17,650 --> 00:46:18,650
So you are cutting it out.

964
00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:19,650
We would like to add.

965
00:46:19,650 --> 00:46:20,650
Is there.

966
00:46:20,650 --> 00:46:25,110
You're not working on the house at all.

967
00:46:25,110 --> 00:46:26,139
Right?

968
00:46:26,139 --> 00:46:27,170
Not yet.

969
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:28,170
Any?

970
00:46:28,170 --> 00:46:29,170
During the.

971
00:46:29,170 --> 00:46:30,170
Uh.

972
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:31,170
In regards to roles.

973
00:46:31,170 --> 00:46:32,170
During the last selectings meeting.

974
00:46:32,170 --> 00:46:38,199
I heard somebody talking about doing work on fights on walls, roles, and the thing

975
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:44,460
that I'm confused about is that all models of private marks in the kinds of Use a transportation

976
00:46:44,460 --> 00:46:46,119
system shouldn't be involved in any of that.

977
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:47,119
Yeah.

978
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:53,920
work on the town's not going to work on alcohol's roads there's a culver at the intersection which

979
00:46:53,920 --> 00:47:00,800
is a town culver between the crosses okay and the water runs along suzanne drive and

980
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:07,519
the cover hasn't failed but in flooding events the water overtops the road and it runs down and

981
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:15,300
causes the residents i noticed looking back in the town stuff that the town was plowing john

982
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:21,860
peter had a list of the times to be plowed off the wall and of course that was before 25 years

983
00:47:21,860 --> 00:47:27,860
i've lived there no no i just i had the list from 2000. what was he plowing and helping them all

984
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,880
he's got them listed now there's 20 of them i said why is he plowing these roads

985
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,320
well we don't do that anymore if he did but no no i'm just saying i was confused you know

986
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:45,360
trying to solve stuff no town work being we're not no no i'm not saying that

987
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:51,380
you know i was just wondering when i heard the discussion that said that's a private you know

988
00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:57,969
that's one thing we were never going to take on is the roads at all along yeah that's private roads

989
00:47:57,969 --> 00:48:04,449
are definitely becoming more and more of an issue and oh yeah we got plenty of miracles at some point

990
00:48:04,449 --> 00:48:12,840
i think you know you'll see the state get involved more and more of that i agree i agree okay uh

991
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,139
moving on proposed bylaw public hearing so um

992
00:48:17,380 --> 00:48:24,579
the planning commission presented us with the proposed bylaws uh most of the all of the changes

993
00:48:24,579 --> 00:48:33,800
were for the sign uh we all had the opportunity to read over those sections so if there was any

994
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:41,730
updates to the sign section or anything you wanted to talk to the planning commission about if

995
00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:47,969
we have any changes that we would send it back to the planning commission or go ahead and

996
00:48:48,050 --> 00:49:01,199
set a public hearing for the bylaws nothing else okay okay i think they are very detailed hopefully

997
00:49:01,199 --> 00:49:07,440
we covered everything on the sign so that we will set a date for the public hearing

998
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:14,559
i have emailed some information to you that i received from the state yep

999
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,039
i don't know if you had the time to read it

1000
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:19,519
isolated

1001
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:28,269
reasons that we can't put a sign out there. I just want to make it clear, I have nothing

1002
00:49:28,269 --> 00:49:32,570
in this either way. I don't care if there's a billboard put out there, but what I do care

1003
00:49:32,570 --> 00:49:38,730
about is us going through the process of changing the bylaws only to have it rescinded by the

1004
00:49:38,730 --> 00:49:46,769
state. I did get in contact with John Kessler, who heads up the travel council. He's a lawyer

1005
00:49:46,769 --> 00:49:54,670
and controls all signage on scenic highways. And what he's offered to do is he will get

1006
00:49:54,670 --> 00:50:00,630
a hold of Ian DeGadis, who's the head civil engineer for the state of Vermont for the

1007
00:50:00,630 --> 00:50:06,230
scenic highway. He'll get back with us on the information of what we're trying to do

1008
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:13,880
so that we're making sure we're doing it right. Because there is a conflict. He knows. He

1009
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,539
says, signs out for him.

1010
00:50:15,539 --> 00:50:20,239
If he can have it for our public hearing, it would be great.

1011
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:27,039
Yeah. Oh, I've got it so he'll get in contact with me, but to you. So once that's done and

1012
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:32,139
we have the state sign off on this, we're good to go. So whatever we have and they say

1013
00:50:32,139 --> 00:50:40,119
good, he's already questioning things that I couldn't answer. So I said, I sent them

1014
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:43,840
the information of what we've done and I just said, could you please check this and make

1015
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,300
sure so we're not going another two years on this.

1016
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:47,380
Yeah.

1017
00:50:47,380 --> 00:50:51,679
And I sent it to the Planning Commission too. Everybody got it.

1018
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:59,480
We haven't discussed a date, but we should look at this. Lori, what is the lead time

1019
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:05,730
on this? We've got to give you enough time to publish. There are 60 days. Now, if you

1020
00:51:05,730 --> 00:51:18,230
would think about June, sometime in June. Do you want to pick a date now so we can say

1021
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:21,210
we set the date instead of waiting two more weeks?

1022
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:26,010
Do you want to try and do it before a regular meeting with the 1st and 3rd, or do you want

1023
00:51:26,010 --> 00:51:27,510
to do it on an off-share date?

1024
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:31,719
I don't know. Let's see.

1025
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:38,219
I think probably an off-share speaker. I mean, at the Planning Commission, there was hardly

1026
00:51:38,219 --> 00:51:43,719
anyone there for your public hearing, right? There might be more, and then if we have to

1027
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,719
go into the select board meeting, it's going to make it a longer meeting for us.

1028
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,719
So June 12th or June 26th?

1029
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,219
June 26th.

1030
00:51:55,219 --> 00:51:56,219
It's actually on the 4th.

1031
00:51:56,219 --> 00:51:57,219
June 26th.

1032
00:51:57,219 --> 00:52:05,010
I don't think there's June 12th, but you could do it?

1033
00:52:05,010 --> 00:52:12,360
Maybe we should have a flag made on 4th. So there's no problems, put a flag up there.

1034
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:17,860
See if it's cool.

1035
00:52:17,860 --> 00:52:21,369
So, 26th, you're thinking?

1036
00:52:21,369 --> 00:52:31,280
I have a letter from TLCC .

1037
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,280
So our off-night is Sunday?

1038
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,280
Yeah, see if anyone on the statement side is up?

1039
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,519
Oh, I don't have anything.

1040
00:52:37,739 --> 00:52:40,079
June 12th or 26th?

1041
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:41,920
I don't know.

1042
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,000
June 12th.

1043
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:45,780
Okay, wait a minute.

1044
00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:51,429
June 12th.

1045
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:52,309
Can you do 12th?

1046
00:52:52,489 --> 00:52:53,269
I can do 12th.

1047
00:52:53,269 --> 00:52:53,710
Can you do 12th?

1048
00:52:54,429 --> 00:52:55,230
12th.

1049
00:52:55,230 --> 00:52:56,610
June 12th.

1050
00:52:56,610 --> 00:52:58,309
Do you want the same 6 o'clock?

1051
00:52:59,789 --> 00:53:00,030
Yep.

1052
00:53:00,769 --> 00:53:01,329
That's fine.

1053
00:53:01,329 --> 00:53:15,630
Do you want to reserve the gym just in case?

1054
00:53:15,630 --> 00:53:19,369
I think we'll have a little bit more people in here.

1055
00:53:22,329 --> 00:53:23,110
What's that?

1056
00:53:23,949 --> 00:53:29,670
I think we've already done that Thursday night.

1057
00:53:29,809 --> 00:53:30,869
That's why it runs over.

1058
00:53:31,329 --> 00:53:40,869
I don't think you're going to have that.

1059
00:53:41,929 --> 00:53:44,650
I don't think so either.

1060
00:53:45,429 --> 00:53:47,130
Let's go June 12th, 6 p.m.

1061
00:53:47,130 --> 00:53:49,750
We'll snuggle in.

1062
00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:51,050
Yep.

1063
00:53:52,690 --> 00:54:00,809
If there are any, I know the Printing Commission is talking about, not necessarily revisions to the bylaws,

1064
00:54:00,989 --> 00:54:01,309
but if there are any revisions to the bylaws,

1065
00:54:01,309 --> 00:54:01,329
if there are any revisions to the bylaws, if there are any revisions to the bylaws,

1066
00:54:01,329 --> 00:54:04,150
I'm just clarifying among the language.

1067
00:54:05,150 --> 00:54:09,489
If that can come before you, before this, can it be included?

1068
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:11,409
No.

1069
00:54:12,090 --> 00:54:16,730
Because you have to go through the process of meeting, public meeting.

1070
00:54:18,949 --> 00:54:23,570
I think it would be too confusing if you had your public hearing first and clearing up.

1071
00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:24,849
That's my problem.

1072
00:54:24,889 --> 00:54:26,429
Why don't you just make the bylaws do it?

1073
00:54:26,429 --> 00:54:30,369
Well, I mean, how many years did we talk about it?

1074
00:54:30,369 --> 00:54:33,309
The challenges with the bylaws.

1075
00:54:33,929 --> 00:54:37,769
And nothing has ever really happened.

1076
00:54:38,090 --> 00:54:39,010
Well, I'm looking at it.

1077
00:54:39,230 --> 00:54:40,590
Yeah, we have your changes.

1078
00:54:41,889 --> 00:54:43,289
We have the old changes.

1079
00:54:44,190 --> 00:54:44,670
Yeah.

1080
00:54:46,670 --> 00:54:50,949
I mean, it's really, I mean, we've talked about it for a couple of years.

1081
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:57,429
And then we'll go through the next district and modernization grant and all that nonsense.

1082
00:54:58,269 --> 00:55:00,230
That expires due at some point.

1083
00:55:00,230 --> 00:55:01,489
I'm not sure if it's the village.

1084
00:55:01,769 --> 00:55:02,670
Oh, that already.

1085
00:55:03,150 --> 00:55:05,969
Yeah, the station expires at some point.

1086
00:55:06,130 --> 00:55:06,269
I don't know.

1087
00:55:07,369 --> 00:55:08,329
That's not a whole.

1088
00:55:08,349 --> 00:55:11,309
Well, didn't we, well, aren't we designated now?

1089
00:55:11,449 --> 00:55:13,449
We are at a certain point.

1090
00:55:13,449 --> 00:55:16,449
We are, but we didn't get that extra.

1091
00:55:16,570 --> 00:55:17,829
That's why we had to pay that.

1092
00:55:17,889 --> 00:55:21,530
So you only told us we had to change the date.

1093
00:55:22,210 --> 00:55:23,250
They did.

1094
00:55:23,429 --> 00:55:24,010
They did.

1095
00:55:24,289 --> 00:55:25,869
They did tell us.

1096
00:55:26,170 --> 00:55:26,750
I heard that.

1097
00:55:26,869 --> 00:55:27,230
Come on.

1098
00:55:27,269 --> 00:55:27,690
I was here.

1099
00:55:28,289 --> 00:55:29,449
We just, we left.

1100
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:30,730
We had to go.

1101
00:55:31,650 --> 00:55:36,110
Because when we go forward with the bylaws, when we're wanting to reference certain bylaws,

1102
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:37,730
we couldn't refer to this as a center.

1103
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:41,570
But even if you change it, even if we have that designation or not,

1104
00:55:41,690 --> 00:55:44,070
it's still referred to as a village center, right?

1105
00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:46,409
Nobody's utilizing that.

1106
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:50,929
And that is, the state determines what goes in the village center.

1107
00:55:51,130 --> 00:55:51,429
Right.

1108
00:55:51,929 --> 00:55:52,949
Well, yeah.

1109
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:58,389
What it does is it will allow us to vary our bylaws.

1110
00:55:58,849 --> 00:55:58,909
Right.

1111
00:55:59,409 --> 00:56:00,369
For growing frontage.

1112
00:56:00,909 --> 00:56:02,510
And acreage on all the bylaws.

1113
00:56:02,510 --> 00:56:08,030
Mostly what it does is, it's mostly for beneficial to nonprofit organizations that are,

1114
00:56:08,030 --> 00:56:14,510
it's to maintain the visual aesthetics of all the villages in town without demoing all the houses

1115
00:56:14,510 --> 00:56:17,989
and one another or something else, basically.

1116
00:56:17,989 --> 00:56:21,610
Kind of like certain parts of Bennington is, where you see a dentist's office just a little bit

1117
00:56:21,610 --> 00:56:22,590
behind the house or something.

1118
00:56:22,590 --> 00:56:24,809
That's kind of the idea behind the house.

1119
00:56:25,590 --> 00:56:30,630
But there's just not enough nonprofits here to really utilize it in any type of way.

1120
00:56:30,750 --> 00:56:33,210
I've mentioned it several times to the school.

1121
00:56:33,429 --> 00:56:36,010
I mean, I think there's money that the school could utilize from it,

1122
00:56:36,090 --> 00:56:38,489
but they don't ever seem to take advantage of it.

1123
00:56:41,409 --> 00:56:43,570
I'm not sure if it's even, if it's even .

1124
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:47,809
What the state really wants you to do is create the whole neighborhood district

1125
00:56:47,809 --> 00:56:53,710
that encircles the village center district, and then you can get development, you know,

1126
00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:57,210
within just certain radius from the center, wherever.

1127
00:56:57,210 --> 00:56:58,070
I forget the numbers.

1128
00:56:58,070 --> 00:57:03,039
I think you said, you said .

1129
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:05,199
So they can get development.

1130
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:10,059
Yeah, you have to build a center, and then there's a neighborhood development area

1131
00:57:10,059 --> 00:57:12,940
which is a bigger area around that.

1132
00:57:12,940 --> 00:57:16,500
It'll allow you to change the pylons, I said, .

1133
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:16,800
Right.

1134
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,099
Yeah, I mean, but .

1135
00:57:19,099 --> 00:57:19,699
Not the money.

1136
00:57:19,699 --> 00:57:24,539
All we had to do was change one thing.

1137
00:57:24,539 --> 00:57:26,440
The date, right?

1138
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,960
It could have been as simple as the date, or we could have said whatever.

1139
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:30,559
Acre.

1140
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:32,639
Acre and the village, which was .

1141
00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:33,880
Because they all are an acre.

1142
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:34,920
Because they all are an acre.

1143
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:35,000
Yeah.

1144
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:35,159
Yeah.

1145
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:35,179
Yeah.

1146
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:38,099
Well, we'll see.

1147
00:57:38,099 --> 00:57:41,440
There's a few that .

1148
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:49,300
I will tell you this, that the planning commission spent hours and days.

1149
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:53,739
We've done our due diligence on .

1150
00:57:53,739 --> 00:57:56,300
And we have contacted the LCP.

1151
00:57:56,300 --> 00:58:00,199
We have contacted the benefit planning, everybody.

1152
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:05,159
We have contacted every person that has any way, shape, or form official to sign it.

1153
00:58:05,159 --> 00:58:06,260
And we've done it.

1154
00:58:06,260 --> 00:58:08,179
We've got the .

1155
00:58:08,179 --> 00:58:09,719
For the sign section.

1156
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:10,099
Yes.

1157
00:58:10,099 --> 00:58:14,739
For the sign section, the information that we have is .

1158
00:58:14,739 --> 00:58:20,019
Most of the stuff we're referring to on the argumentative side is billboards.

1159
00:58:20,019 --> 00:58:27,920
It started all there.

1160
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,539
I have disagreed with that.

1161
00:58:29,539 --> 00:58:34,039
But if you can read the information that I sent to you, it clearly delineates what signs

1162
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:35,159
we're talking about.

1163
00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:36,840
It's just not billboards.

1164
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,059
And for us, we have two lines.

1165
00:58:39,059 --> 00:58:39,340
Oh, no.

1166
00:58:39,340 --> 00:58:46,800
The person that heads up the state and from engineering and from a lawyer, he's going to tell us what we can do and what we can't do.

1167
00:58:47,570 --> 00:58:54,150
So if the work we've done, the exam is done, the subcommittee is correct, then we can move forward.

1168
00:58:54,269 --> 00:58:54,789
He'll say.

1169
00:58:55,070 --> 00:58:56,869
If it's not correct, he's going to tell us.

1170
00:58:57,849 --> 00:58:58,909
So what's wrong with that?

1171
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:02,099
Wait and see what happens.

1172
00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:02,460
Okay.

1173
00:59:04,219 --> 00:59:07,099
Moving on to the ethics commission update.

1174
00:59:07,099 --> 00:59:14,199
Doug, you had – oh, Laurie gave us one of the revisions.

1175
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,349
The conflict revisions.

1176
00:59:16,809 --> 00:59:18,050
That's a full-time dev balance.

1177
00:59:19,070 --> 00:59:19,670
Yeah.

1178
00:59:20,110 --> 00:59:20,289
Yeah.

1179
00:59:20,530 --> 00:59:20,730
Okay.

1180
00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:23,989
Well, I think those –

1181
00:59:23,989 --> 00:59:30,610
Oh, the conflict revisions, that's the one you agreed last week.

1182
00:59:32,110 --> 00:59:32,750
Yes.

1183
00:59:33,070 --> 00:59:34,150
Yeah, we agreed on that.

1184
00:59:34,289 --> 00:59:36,289
We have to sign it tonight, though.

1185
00:59:36,349 --> 00:59:36,630
I will.

1186
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:38,269
Is it ready?

1187
00:59:38,489 --> 00:59:38,610
Is it ready?

1188
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:39,250
Is it already here?

1189
00:59:39,329 --> 00:59:39,969
How old are you?

1190
00:59:47,110 --> 00:59:47,769
Wait a minute.

1191
00:59:47,769 --> 00:59:47,969
Wait a minute, Jill.

1192
00:59:48,110 --> 00:59:48,710
I know.

1193
00:59:48,929 --> 00:59:49,969
Get out of the way.

1194
00:59:50,349 --> 00:59:51,849
I'm going to swat your hands.

1195
00:59:52,090 --> 00:59:52,670
Hang on a minute.

1196
00:59:53,650 --> 00:59:54,230
I am sorry.

1197
00:59:54,250 --> 00:59:54,989
Take your time.

1198
00:59:55,449 --> 00:59:56,369
Don't worry about it.

1199
00:59:58,489 --> 00:59:59,469
Don't worry about it.

1200
00:59:59,489 --> 01:00:00,590
We're so organized.

1201
01:00:02,449 --> 01:00:06,309
Something about level three.

1202
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:07,590
What is that?

1203
01:00:09,230 --> 01:00:10,150
Signed and finished.

1204
01:00:10,170 --> 01:00:15,190
Employees of the municipality and anyone acting in an official capacity

1205
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:18,349
representing the town to be asked to sign.

1206
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:22,119
Did you say it already?

1207
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:22,659
Yep.

1208
01:00:23,889 --> 01:00:24,909
We've been never signed it.

1209
01:00:25,269 --> 01:00:25,750
E.

1210
01:00:26,030 --> 01:00:26,829
How they found me.

1211
01:00:27,690 --> 01:00:28,449
How they signed it.

1212
01:00:28,590 --> 01:00:28,809
Is it over?

1213
01:00:30,550 --> 01:00:32,030
Well, we put it over.

1214
01:00:33,409 --> 01:00:34,610
The wording.

1215
01:00:34,750 --> 01:00:35,090
Thank you.

1216
01:00:35,250 --> 01:00:38,429
We put the wording over under article three.

1217
01:00:39,530 --> 01:00:40,730
Is that a wrong place?

1218
01:00:41,429 --> 01:00:41,769
No, no.

1219
01:00:41,769 --> 01:00:42,809
I think we wanted it.

1220
01:00:42,809 --> 01:00:43,090
Yes.

1221
01:00:43,650 --> 01:00:45,429
In both places or just one place?

1222
01:00:45,949 --> 01:00:46,989
An employee.

1223
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:52,460
I can't remember.

1224
01:00:57,739 --> 01:00:58,940
Somebody policy.

1225
01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:05,260
Employees and anyone else representing the town.

1226
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:10,619
Do we want it over in E also?

1227
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:11,400
I'm not sure.

1228
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:13,219
Yes.

1229
01:01:13,219 --> 01:01:13,380
Yes.

1230
01:01:13,380 --> 01:01:16,219
Does it have anything to do with the person?

1231
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:16,800
I don't know.

1232
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:17,179
I don't need to.

1233
01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:18,099
I don't want to make any board comments or anything.

1234
01:01:18,380 --> 01:01:19,900
There's many other questions.

1235
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,420
Any more council questions?

1236
01:01:22,420 --> 01:01:23,320
Play for me.

1237
01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:26,199
I thought we wanted to get there quickly.

1238
01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:27,340
E.

1239
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:27,679
E.

1240
01:01:33,329 --> 01:01:34,829
Public size.

1241
01:01:35,170 --> 01:01:35,989
Public by.

1242
01:01:36,570 --> 01:01:36,949
No.

1243
01:01:37,610 --> 01:01:39,110
No, I think you're good.

1244
01:01:40,590 --> 01:01:42,349
And you got it.

1245
01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:43,090
Oh.

1246
01:01:43,889 --> 01:01:44,849
Anyone acting?

1247
01:01:45,989 --> 01:01:46,530
Yeah.

1248
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:47,869
Plies to everybody.

1249
01:01:48,010 --> 01:01:48,150
Oh.

1250
01:01:48,170 --> 01:01:54,170
Yeah, so that anybody that's in the process of representing

1251
01:01:54,170 --> 01:01:56,670
the town can sign it.

1252
01:01:56,670 --> 01:01:59,489
Can I have a copy of the sign on that, too?

1253
01:01:59,489 --> 01:02:00,409
No?

1254
01:02:00,409 --> 01:02:02,909
Done.

1255
01:02:02,909 --> 01:02:06,230
Now, that one will take effect, or does that

1256
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:07,730
have to be published?

1257
01:02:07,730 --> 01:02:11,489
No, that takes effect right away, because it's policy.

1258
01:02:11,489 --> 01:02:13,530
I travel Route 100.

1259
01:02:13,530 --> 01:02:14,030
Yeah.

1260
01:02:14,030 --> 01:02:14,530
I don't know.

1261
01:02:14,530 --> 01:02:16,070
I was having an idea today about that.

1262
01:02:16,070 --> 01:02:16,570
All right.

1263
01:02:16,570 --> 01:02:21,909
Now, we can go on to the Ethics Commission update.

1264
01:02:21,909 --> 01:02:26,349
I mean, every sign in the state is a violation.

1265
01:02:26,349 --> 01:02:27,590
OK.

1266
01:02:27,590 --> 01:02:29,949
Can we talk about the Ethics Commission update?

1267
01:02:29,949 --> 01:02:31,690
Doug, you had a couple of things there.

1268
01:02:31,690 --> 01:02:34,789
Well, this was on that Court of Ethics Investigation

1269
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:35,789
Enforcement Ordinance.

1270
01:02:35,789 --> 01:02:36,550
Yeah.

1271
01:02:36,550 --> 01:02:39,590
And I think, for the most part, it's pretty good.

1272
01:02:39,590 --> 01:02:42,719
But there was a couple of things that

1273
01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:46,079
was a little concerning with wording.

1274
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:46,920
Now.

1275
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,440
Let's see.

1276
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:49,940
Oh, yeah.

1277
01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:50,440
I don't.

1278
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,440
Well, it goes to where it's saying it is.

1279
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,440
And I get teary-eyed when I read these things.

1280
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,460
OK.

1281
01:02:58,460 --> 01:03:03,710
If you go on to the second page, section four, Complaints.

1282
01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:07,659
And let's see.

1283
01:03:07,659 --> 01:03:10,159
One thing, if we already have it, I guess,

1284
01:03:10,159 --> 01:03:13,860
but I just want to emphasize it, is that,

1285
01:03:13,860 --> 01:03:18,159
so there's no misunderstanding, anybody that's got a complaint,

1286
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:19,429
you sign it.

1287
01:03:19,429 --> 01:03:24,929
You start out by going, using the forms that are designated.

1288
01:03:24,929 --> 01:03:26,670
This is not something that, oh, well, I'm

1289
01:03:26,670 --> 01:03:29,010
going to take it to the select matter.

1290
01:03:29,010 --> 01:03:30,929
I'm going to bring it to or something.

1291
01:03:30,929 --> 01:03:34,250
That is the way it starts, without exception.

1292
01:03:34,250 --> 01:03:34,750
OK.

1293
01:03:34,750 --> 01:03:36,250
It goes to the state first.

1294
01:03:36,250 --> 01:03:36,750
Yeah.

1295
01:03:36,750 --> 01:03:39,250
It goes to the state.

1296
01:03:39,250 --> 01:03:40,250
It says something here.

1297
01:03:40,250 --> 01:03:42,130
All municipal ethics complaints that

1298
01:03:42,130 --> 01:03:45,170
are received from the state for investigation

1299
01:03:45,170 --> 01:03:49,750
must be directed to the designated complaint recipient.

1300
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:55,199
Well, again, this comes back to the liaison, which I have been.

1301
01:03:55,199 --> 01:04:00,360
And I don't see why we need a designated complaint recipient.

1302
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,360
The liaison is supposed to be the bridge for everything

1303
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,360
coming from the town to the ethics commission

1304
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,360
or coming back the other way.

1305
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,780
So I think we ought to leave it at that.

1306
01:04:13,780 --> 01:04:16,780
I don't see what the difference is

1307
01:04:16,780 --> 01:04:18,780
why they have a designated complaint.

1308
01:04:18,780 --> 01:04:19,280
Yeah.

1309
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:19,780
Lauren?

1310
01:04:19,780 --> 01:04:22,780
What if we added a definition of liaison

1311
01:04:22,780 --> 01:04:27,780
and said it would be the liaison between the town

1312
01:04:27,780 --> 01:04:30,780
and the commission and would be the one to receive the complaint?

1313
01:04:30,780 --> 01:04:31,280
Right.

1314
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:31,780
Yes.

1315
01:04:31,780 --> 01:04:32,280
Yeah.

1316
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:32,780
Yeah.

1317
01:04:32,780 --> 01:04:33,280
Yeah.

1318
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:38,280
Or we could just change the title here and say liaison.

1319
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:38,780
Yeah.

1320
01:04:38,780 --> 01:04:39,780
Either one.

1321
01:04:39,780 --> 01:04:40,280
Yeah.

1322
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,280
Like a designated complaint recipient

1323
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:46,280
and like you said the first time, would the liaison?

1324
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,650
Is the liaison?

1325
01:04:49,650 --> 01:04:50,150
Yeah.

1326
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:50,650
OK.

1327
01:04:50,650 --> 01:04:51,150
Yeah.

1328
01:04:51,150 --> 01:04:51,650
OK.

1329
01:04:51,650 --> 01:04:53,150
You know, I don't think you could really

1330
01:04:53,150 --> 01:04:54,150
either way is, you know.

1331
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:54,650
I'll see.

1332
01:04:54,650 --> 01:04:55,409
Yeah.

1333
01:04:55,409 --> 01:05:00,409
I mean

1334
01:05:00,409 --> 01:05:03,409
by any chance, have you read the ordinances

1335
01:05:03,409 --> 01:05:06,599
from other towns and stuff on that?

1336
01:05:06,599 --> 01:05:07,599
I looked up a couple actually back

1337
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:09,599
when they were doing the research.

1338
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:13,820
I did look up I think was Middlebury

1339
01:05:13,820 --> 01:05:16,320
and then there was a small town that only had something

1340
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:17,820
like 300 people.

1341
01:05:17,820 --> 01:05:18,820
Yeah, we've got.

1342
01:05:18,820 --> 01:05:20,820
So I did look through some others.

1343
01:05:20,820 --> 01:05:49,269
use the template from the LCT. Right. I was just reading the name of the town. It was a pretty good-sized town, but they don't even go to the state. Their ordinance says that they have to file a complaint, and the complaint goes to the town manager or the select board, unless it's part of that problem. If that's a problem, then it goes to this other person.

1344
01:05:49,269 --> 01:06:08,389
Okay, here's my feeling on this. We can do, if they give us a template, but we can do pretty much whatever we want. And like the Middlebury thing, for example, a lot of those things didn't apply to us because Middlebury is a lot bigger town.

1345
01:06:09,739 --> 01:06:20,559
And the selectman or the select board has the right to set this up. And I think this is the way,

1346
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:26,179
what I'm trying to do is cut out as many middlemen and have it straight, understandable,

1347
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:34,320
comprehensive. So I guess what I'm saying is this, I think, is more appropriate for Stanford.

1348
01:06:35,380 --> 01:06:42,500
And if we get into this, who do we send it to? I think everybody remembers my feelings on this.

1349
01:06:43,099 --> 01:06:50,239
Okay, you know, why eat a dead horse? Make it simple. If we find there's a problem, we can tweak it later on.

1350
01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:55,320
But for right now, let's get it done, keep it simple, and we'll go from there.

1351
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,400
I agree with you on the timing of that.

1352
01:06:59,820 --> 01:07:01,659
Let's see, what's the other thing?

1353
01:07:03,099 --> 01:07:16,260
Now, I notice here it says designated complaint used to the NRO liaison, along with two others selected by the select board from the ethics investigation pool on a case-by-case basis.

1354
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:22,130
Now, I'm wondering why we need three people to do that.

1355
01:07:22,250 --> 01:07:28,599
And the other thing is that we're talking from the pool.

1356
01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:35,440
I agree, I think Bill Levine had a great idea of having a pool for people to pick from.

1357
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:48,590
But I think something I want to emphasize, that pool is to give us some people that have expressed an interest, and that's who we can pick from.

1358
01:07:48,590 --> 01:07:53,699
But I think we have to, what I would like to see, is that number one,

1359
01:07:53,699 --> 01:07:58,280
I don't think the pool should be just for ethics complaints.

1360
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:04,340
I think we have a pool of people that, you know, if you want to investigate the ethics,

1361
01:08:04,340 --> 01:08:10,130
since we have other investigations come up through that too, not restricted just to this.

1362
01:08:10,130 --> 01:08:14,590
And then the other thing, I'm trying to think of the proper wording for it here,

1363
01:08:14,590 --> 01:08:20,180
but the selectmen, ultimately, and I've seen this a lot,

1364
01:08:20,180 --> 01:08:24,800
the selectmen can pick anybody they want at any time to investigate.

1365
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:33,880
And I don't want there to be any misunderstanding that if for some reason the select board decides to take somebody else,

1366
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:38,180
they're not, somebody come out and say, well, why'd you take it from the pool?

1367
01:08:38,180 --> 01:08:41,640
You're violating your own rules.

1368
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:47,439
I think I want that to be understood, whether we have to put it in here or not,

1369
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:54,079
that the select board is not surrendering its right to pick somebody.

1370
01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:56,800
Oh, that we would, you're saying that.

1371
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,340
That we don't have to take it from the pool.

1372
01:08:59,340 --> 01:09:01,939
Yeah. Realistically, we're going to.

1373
01:09:01,939 --> 01:09:06,659
And realistically, we're going to, these folks going forward said we're interested in doing it.

1374
01:09:06,659 --> 01:09:10,880
But if somebody makes a complaint against Jim, Jack, and Peter,

1375
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,109
we're certainly not going to take them to investigate.

1376
01:09:14,109 --> 01:09:15,810
Right. That's another consideration.

1377
01:09:15,810 --> 01:09:20,449
So we would just find somebody else to invest, yeah.

1378
01:09:20,449 --> 01:09:21,550
I think we would do it.

1379
01:09:21,550 --> 01:09:24,869
But I think I want to, actually, go ahead and finish what you're saying.

1380
01:09:24,869 --> 01:09:26,710
What you mentioned about the three,

1381
01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:30,359
I think we need three, and I have numbers.

1382
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:30,939
Yes.

1383
01:09:30,939 --> 01:09:35,779
We don't want one person investigating, or two and three, and I think we need three.

1384
01:09:35,779 --> 01:09:40,359
Well, this was another point I want to make.

1385
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:43,600
Investigations should be fact-finding.

1386
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:44,880
You're collecting.

1387
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,199
The decision comes back to the board.

1388
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:47,619
Right.

1389
01:09:47,619 --> 01:09:51,300
This isn't something where, okay, we've got a couple of people investigating.

1390
01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:53,859
We're going to sit down, and this is the decision we came to.

1391
01:09:53,859 --> 01:09:54,439
No.

1392
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,699
We need the facts.

1393
01:09:56,699 --> 01:09:57,859
And then when the facts come out, we're going to do it.

1394
01:09:57,859 --> 01:10:01,220
When the facts come out, the board makes the decision.

1395
01:10:01,220 --> 01:10:01,720
Right.

1396
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,119
So that's why I'm not sure that we need three.

1397
01:10:05,119 --> 01:10:10,800
You know, it's not something that everybody has to sit down and make a decision on, collect the facts.

1398
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:11,300
Right, right.

1399
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:12,140
That's all they're doing.

1400
01:10:12,140 --> 01:10:18,079
I just thought, my thought, too, is that three, not everybody likes everybody.

1401
01:10:18,079 --> 01:10:22,779
So that makes it kind of like more neutral people.

1402
01:10:22,779 --> 01:10:25,859
Well, maybe somebody wants to talk to you, but not to Jim.

1403
01:10:25,859 --> 01:10:26,779
Exactly.

1404
01:10:26,779 --> 01:10:27,720
Yeah.

1405
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:28,659
This is not a criminal.

1406
01:10:28,659 --> 01:10:29,659
This is not a criminal.

1407
01:10:29,659 --> 01:10:30,659
I agree.

1408
01:10:30,659 --> 01:10:31,659
I agree with you.

1409
01:10:31,659 --> 01:10:32,659
I know.

1410
01:10:32,659 --> 01:10:33,659
Because when we do a criminal investigation, I agree with you 100%.

1411
01:10:33,659 --> 01:10:34,659
That's my case.

1412
01:10:34,659 --> 01:10:35,659
Yeah.

1413
01:10:35,659 --> 01:10:38,659
And I'm going to send my facts and my findings to the prosecutors who are sitting there with

1414
01:10:38,659 --> 01:10:39,659
a team.

1415
01:10:39,659 --> 01:10:40,659
Yeah.

1416
01:10:40,659 --> 01:10:41,659
To decide what the charges are going to be.

1417
01:10:41,659 --> 01:10:42,659
Yeah.

1418
01:10:42,659 --> 01:10:43,659
Right?

1419
01:10:43,659 --> 01:10:44,659
So.

1420
01:10:44,659 --> 01:10:45,659
You're talking something else.

1421
01:10:45,659 --> 01:10:46,659
Like you said, you're talking criminal investigation.

1422
01:10:46,659 --> 01:10:47,659
I'm talking investigation, period.

1423
01:10:47,659 --> 01:10:48,659
Okay.

1424
01:10:48,659 --> 01:10:57,720
I guess where I'm taking some of my stuff from when I was with corrections, I did pre-sentence

1425
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:58,720
investigations for the court.

1426
01:10:58,720 --> 01:10:59,720
Mm-hmm.

1427
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:00,720
And they used that.

1428
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:05,720
Basically, I wrote biographies of the person, the suspect or whatever, and gave it to the

1429
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:06,720
judge.

1430
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:07,720
And he made the decision.

1431
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:08,720
I didn't make any decisions.

1432
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:09,720
I got the information and they sent it to the deciding person.

1433
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:10,720
Right.

1434
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:11,720
And what you said about not everybody likes everybody, I see your point.

1435
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:12,720
But on the other hand, what if you got three people that don't like one person?

1436
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:13,720
You know?

1437
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:14,720
You can go nuts trying to .

1438
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:15,720
That's the important.

1439
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:16,720
Yeah.

1440
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:17,720
That's the important part about.

1441
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:18,720
About.

1442
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:19,720
Sure.

1443
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:20,720
Yeah.

1444
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:21,720
Yeah.

1445
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:22,720
Yeah.

1446
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:23,720
Yeah.

1447
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:24,720
Yeah.

1448
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:25,720
Yeah.

1449
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:26,720
Yeah.

1450
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,170
Yeah.

1451
01:11:28,170 --> 01:11:35,170
And here's the other thing about choosing an ethics team or an ethics committee.

1452
01:11:35,170 --> 01:11:44,569
The important part is that you pick people that you know or the board knows has an ethical

1453
01:11:44,569 --> 01:11:53,909
background of some sort, that has proven themselves to be supportive to everybody and reach out

1454
01:11:53,909 --> 01:11:54,909
to everybody, and able to communicate with other people.

1455
01:11:54,909 --> 01:11:55,909
But what I'm hearing now, you're saying in an ethics commission or an ethics board, so

1456
01:11:55,909 --> 01:11:56,909
instead of being investigators.

1457
01:11:56,909 --> 01:11:59,430
instead of being investigators.

1458
01:11:59,430 --> 01:12:01,590
Now, you're gonna use the size of, you know.

1459
01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:03,710
That's all the same thing, Doug.

1460
01:12:03,710 --> 01:12:05,710
I'm just saying that an ethics board,

1461
01:12:05,710 --> 01:12:07,489
ethics, you're an investigator.

1462
01:12:07,489 --> 01:12:10,090
So, in a sense, what you've done is created

1463
01:12:10,090 --> 01:12:12,909
an ethic board, basically, because it's you

1464
01:12:12,909 --> 01:12:16,630
and a full-on investigator, select people.

1465
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:17,909
It's a big board.

1466
01:12:17,909 --> 01:12:20,750
I think, ultimately, the board that makes the decision

1467
01:12:20,750 --> 01:12:22,890
is the select board.

1468
01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:25,470
Now, I'm just expressing my things.

1469
01:12:25,470 --> 01:12:27,189
You can vote it down.

1470
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:29,109
Again, we can come back to what about this

1471
01:12:29,109 --> 01:12:30,710
or what about this.

1472
01:12:30,710 --> 01:12:33,789
I'm trying to keep it simple, and again,

1473
01:12:33,789 --> 01:12:38,649
I feel that the select board should not surrender

1474
01:12:38,649 --> 01:12:41,569
its decision-making to another board,

1475
01:12:41,569 --> 01:12:44,770
nor do I think we need to have another element

1476
01:12:44,770 --> 01:12:46,310
added to this.

1477
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:48,069
That's my feeling.

1478
01:12:48,069 --> 01:12:49,770
No, I don't think so either.

1479
01:12:49,770 --> 01:12:52,600
I think we're okay with how it is.

1480
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:53,439
Yeah.

1481
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,359
So, we could add, maybe, the select board

1482
01:12:55,359 --> 01:12:58,460
reserves the right to choose any investigator,

1483
01:12:58,460 --> 01:13:01,039
whether from the pool or outside of the pool,

1484
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:02,800
on a case-by-case basis.

1485
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,420
Realistically, realistically, we're

1486
01:13:05,420 --> 01:13:07,899
going to be using the pool.

1487
01:13:07,899 --> 01:13:13,279
I mean, these are going to be exceptional circumstances.

1488
01:13:13,279 --> 01:13:14,579
This is the big thing with me.

1489
01:13:14,579 --> 01:13:19,210
I don't want to, I would just say,

1490
01:13:19,210 --> 01:13:22,609
give up our responsibilities there.

1491
01:13:22,609 --> 01:13:26,029
I think this is the final decision.

1492
01:13:26,029 --> 01:13:26,630
Should we stay?

1493
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:28,289
Or should we remain with the board?

1494
01:13:28,289 --> 01:13:30,529
And that the investigators be investigators

1495
01:13:30,529 --> 01:13:32,189
and give us the information.

1496
01:13:32,189 --> 01:13:33,949
Here's the thing, like I was saying before,

1497
01:13:33,949 --> 01:13:38,859
if the investigator does not give us all the facts

1498
01:13:38,859 --> 01:13:43,560
or doesn't like the person or whatever,

1499
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:47,899
we're still going to get the person that he investigated

1500
01:13:47,899 --> 01:13:50,779
to sit in front of us and give us the facts, too,

1501
01:13:50,779 --> 01:13:53,699
even though the investigator gave us his facts.

1502
01:13:53,699 --> 01:13:54,520
Right.

1503
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,659
And the guilty perp, or alleged,

1504
01:13:56,659 --> 01:13:57,159
Right.

1505
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:58,680
the alleged person.

1506
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,800
I want to get more out of this.

1507
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:01,300
The court.

1508
01:14:01,300 --> 01:14:03,420
Bring the guilty guest in.

1509
01:14:03,420 --> 01:14:06,340
I'm never going to serve on a jury.

1510
01:14:06,340 --> 01:14:11,420
But we would still hear the facts from the alleged person.

1511
01:14:11,420 --> 01:14:12,560
Uh-huh.

1512
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,159
You're right.

1513
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,100
You can't give them a chance.

1514
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:19,880
I think that's already in the ..

1515
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,319
Can I just ask then, what circumstance

1516
01:14:22,319 --> 01:14:25,470
would you not want to take from the determination?

1517
01:14:25,470 --> 01:14:28,229
Well, like we said, if we come up with a situation,

1518
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:33,909
where there would be a conflict of interest for, say,

1519
01:14:33,909 --> 01:14:35,109
the people that are on the pool.

1520
01:14:35,109 --> 01:14:38,369
If we have a bigger pool, then that would be less likely.

1521
01:14:38,369 --> 01:14:39,210
Yeah, that's fine.

1522
01:14:39,210 --> 01:14:40,430
I didn't say bigger pool sense.

1523
01:14:40,430 --> 01:14:43,670
But yeah, no, I'm not opposed to a bigger pool.

1524
01:14:43,670 --> 01:14:47,050
But I think the big thing, again, I want to emphasize it,

1525
01:14:47,050 --> 01:14:51,069
is that the pool is investigative.

1526
01:14:51,069 --> 01:14:53,109
It's not decision.

1527
01:14:53,109 --> 01:14:53,609
Right.

1528
01:14:53,609 --> 01:14:56,189
And then basically, we're not bound.

1529
01:14:56,189 --> 01:14:58,909
If somebody on the pool says, well, I think we should take

1530
01:14:58,909 --> 01:15:00,670
this person out and hang them in the front.

1531
01:15:00,670 --> 01:15:04,430
No, we're not going to be held to that.

1532
01:15:04,430 --> 01:15:04,930
All right.

1533
01:15:04,930 --> 01:15:06,829
It just feels like if you're in Seattle,

1534
01:15:06,829 --> 01:15:09,569
and then you don't pick from that pool,

1535
01:15:09,569 --> 01:15:11,250
you just say, I'm going to pick Kurt.

1536
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:13,050
It's like, why are you picking Kurt?

1537
01:15:13,050 --> 01:15:15,810
Well, if the situation comes up, and see,

1538
01:15:15,810 --> 01:15:16,770
this is what I'm saying.

1539
01:15:16,770 --> 01:15:20,250
I don't want to get us locked into that, where

1540
01:15:20,250 --> 01:15:21,989
for some reason, we take from the pool,

1541
01:15:21,989 --> 01:15:26,010
then we're going to get accused of going against the policy

1542
01:15:26,010 --> 01:15:28,930
of, you're doing it because you favor this person.

1543
01:15:28,930 --> 01:15:30,010
Do you see what I mean?

1544
01:15:30,010 --> 01:15:32,210
Like, if you have a pool, and you say,

1545
01:15:32,210 --> 01:15:33,710
I don't want to pick from the pool.

1546
01:15:33,710 --> 01:15:34,789
I want to pick Mike Dinnall.

1547
01:15:34,789 --> 01:15:37,689
People might say, why are you leaning towards Mike Dinnall?

1548
01:15:37,689 --> 01:15:39,250
And I'm not even part of it.

1549
01:15:39,250 --> 01:15:41,170
That might look the same to me.

1550
01:15:41,170 --> 01:15:42,649
Well, that's a good answer.

1551
01:15:42,649 --> 01:15:43,149
Go ahead.

1552
01:15:43,149 --> 01:15:43,649
Go.

1553
01:15:43,649 --> 01:15:44,149
Go.

1554
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:44,649
Go ahead.

1555
01:15:44,649 --> 01:15:46,609
I've been talking too much.

1556
01:15:46,609 --> 01:15:47,109
Go ahead.

1557
01:15:47,109 --> 01:15:50,729
No, but what if the complaint is against you and Jeb's

1558
01:15:50,729 --> 01:15:56,689
in the pool, and we don't want Jeb, or even get some?

1559
01:15:56,689 --> 01:15:58,130
Well, that's clearly a conflict.

1560
01:15:58,130 --> 01:15:58,630
Yeah.

1561
01:15:58,630 --> 01:16:06,090
That's why there's enough people in the pool for some common sense.

1562
01:16:06,090 --> 01:16:09,350
So the recourse, if what we're all talking about

1563
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:13,210
is crazy anyways, because at the end result,

1564
01:16:13,210 --> 01:16:15,310
I don't like the results of what happens.

1565
01:16:15,310 --> 01:16:17,229
I just call state, right?

1566
01:16:17,229 --> 01:16:19,810
So that's the option.

1567
01:16:19,810 --> 01:16:20,770
It goes to the state.

1568
01:16:20,770 --> 01:16:22,890
If there's a violation, it comes back to them.

1569
01:16:22,890 --> 01:16:24,909
They pick a person to go investigate it.

1570
01:16:24,909 --> 01:16:27,810
If they don't like it, or if they do something

1571
01:16:27,810 --> 01:16:32,199
that you don't like, because this is not the American way

1572
01:16:32,199 --> 01:16:35,039
or whatever, you have a recourse to go back to state.

1573
01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:35,539
Yeah.

1574
01:16:35,539 --> 01:16:36,039
Right.

1575
01:16:36,039 --> 01:16:38,000
Well, the recourse is in there.

1576
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,420
You can go up to an employee and go into court.

1577
01:16:40,420 --> 01:16:40,920
Right.

1578
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:46,760
But the state board, and I spoke with the director there,

1579
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,340
Christine, just a couple weeks ago.

1580
01:16:49,340 --> 01:16:53,119
And a big thing with them, they are an advisor.

1581
01:16:53,119 --> 01:16:55,739
They are not going to make a decision for us.

1582
01:16:55,739 --> 01:16:57,520
They're going to stay and use their expertise.

1583
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:58,020
Mm-hmm.

1584
01:16:58,319 --> 01:17:03,319
And give us their best guess on it.

1585
01:17:03,319 --> 01:17:06,520
And as far as an investigation, they may send.

1586
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,600
We may not even need an investigation.

1587
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,319
But there may be circumstances where they're going to say,

1588
01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:14,560
well, we'd like to hear what this person has to say.

1589
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:18,119
So this is where somebody from the pool would go and interview them.

1590
01:17:18,119 --> 01:17:20,000
Or what about this?

1591
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,430
They may want some records checked.

1592
01:17:22,430 --> 01:17:22,930
That's all.

1593
01:17:22,930 --> 01:17:24,850
But I mean, it's not going to be back and forth.

1594
01:17:24,850 --> 01:17:27,890
They're going to give us their recommendation.

1595
01:17:27,890 --> 01:17:28,390
Right.

1596
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:32,390
And if they think they need a little more to do this recommendation,

1597
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:34,510
that's where the investigation comes in.

1598
01:17:34,510 --> 01:17:40,840
And then, ultimately, it comes back and it's the decision of the select board.

1599
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:45,430
Laura, you had your hand raised.

1600
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:48,750
Well, I guess my thought is, with us being a small town,

1601
01:17:48,750 --> 01:17:51,890
it's nice to say we just need a bigger pool.

1602
01:17:51,890 --> 01:17:53,750
But if people don't volunteer to be in the pool,

1603
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:56,729
you might be stuck with the same two or three people.

1604
01:17:56,729 --> 01:17:59,510
And it may work fine.

1605
01:17:59,510 --> 01:18:03,800
But there may be conflicts within it that make it difficult.

1606
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:10,380
I don't think the town is bound to the pool anyways.

1607
01:18:10,380 --> 01:18:13,319
The way I read the language is they're not out in any of it.

1608
01:18:13,319 --> 01:18:15,600
I'm just trying to clarify something.

1609
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:21,050
So that everybody kind of knows what their job is.

1610
01:18:21,050 --> 01:18:24,010
Well, as we all know, it doesn't matter what you read in the laws

1611
01:18:24,010 --> 01:18:26,229
or what Vermont is.

1612
01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:28,810
Other people see it a whole different way.

1613
01:18:28,810 --> 01:18:30,609
All the time.

1614
01:18:30,609 --> 01:18:31,109
What else?

1615
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:32,770
What else do you have, Doug?

1616
01:18:32,770 --> 01:18:41,640
I think it was, let's see.

1617
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,279
Can you work with Laurie on this?

1618
01:18:43,279 --> 01:18:45,779
Sure.

1619
01:18:45,779 --> 01:18:48,460
We'll get it right some day.

1620
01:18:48,460 --> 01:18:48,960
We have.

1621
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,260
But we're not, you know, this is all new to us.

1622
01:18:51,260 --> 01:18:54,579
We've never had this before.

1623
01:18:54,579 --> 01:18:55,159
It's funny.

1624
01:18:55,159 --> 01:18:57,439
I was saying, actually, I told Nancy the other day,

1625
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,800
I was going through that website that

1626
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:03,399
shows the current legislation that's being considered.

1627
01:19:03,399 --> 01:19:06,159
And you've probably all been on that website.

1628
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:07,039
They've already got it.

1629
01:19:07,039 --> 01:19:11,220
I think the Senate has already got some kind of modification

1630
01:19:11,220 --> 01:19:13,279
they want to do to the Ethics Committee.

1631
01:19:13,279 --> 01:19:15,600
So they're not already sure what they want.

1632
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:16,760
This is just kind of.

1633
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,069
There's a lot of new people on board with it right now.

1634
01:19:19,069 --> 01:19:19,569
Right.

1635
01:19:19,569 --> 01:19:20,989
And from what I understand, Nancy,

1636
01:19:20,989 --> 01:19:24,050
you said that a lot of times you looked into having

1637
01:19:24,050 --> 01:19:25,569
even gone as far as ..

1638
01:19:25,569 --> 01:19:26,069
No, no.

1639
01:19:26,069 --> 01:19:29,569
I haven't seen it on any of the web pages.

1640
01:19:29,569 --> 01:19:33,979
I asked just happened to talk to the town clerk.

1641
01:19:33,979 --> 01:19:37,100
I said, what date is your conflict of interest?

1642
01:19:37,100 --> 01:19:39,859
And he says, it's old.

1643
01:19:39,859 --> 01:19:46,140
So yeah, they haven't done anything.

1644
01:19:46,140 --> 01:19:46,640
Yeah.

1645
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:48,560
We're a small town.

1646
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,479
I think the newest term.

1647
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:54,140
I thought I saw some language about the newest town plan.

1648
01:19:54,140 --> 01:19:56,010
It's got language in there.

1649
01:19:56,010 --> 01:19:57,149
About the Ethics Committee?

1650
01:19:57,149 --> 01:19:59,050
It's supposed to have it or whatever.

1651
01:19:59,050 --> 01:20:02,899
I think it's part of it.

1652
01:20:02,899 --> 01:20:04,640
Well, I know when I talked to Christine

1653
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,220
when we first started getting into this a little bit,

1654
01:20:08,220 --> 01:20:11,000
and I said, is anybody going to come down and check?

1655
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:11,560
I mean, what are some of the things that we're going to do?

1656
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,380
And she said, no, we're not even close to that.

1657
01:20:14,380 --> 01:20:16,960
And she says, even when we get to that point,

1658
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,239
it's probably going to be, it's not going to be one of those,

1659
01:20:19,239 --> 01:20:20,239
we're going to come down.

1660
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:22,899
And the only answer is, well, no, we're going to come down.

1661
01:20:22,899 --> 01:20:25,779
We may want to do this, or this, or that.

1662
01:20:25,779 --> 01:20:29,060
It's not going to be some kind of big punitive exposition

1663
01:20:29,060 --> 01:20:31,899
to the county.

1664
01:20:31,899 --> 01:20:34,340
So I think it's really not that complicated.

1665
01:20:34,340 --> 01:20:37,100
Let's just get it together and put it in motion.

1666
01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:38,659
Work with Lori on the changes.

1667
01:20:38,659 --> 01:20:39,159
Yeah.

1668
01:20:39,159 --> 01:20:40,159
The changes.

1669
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:41,720
That's it.

1670
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:42,220
That's it.

1671
01:20:42,220 --> 01:20:44,380
Yep.

1672
01:20:44,380 --> 01:20:46,380
And you guys are OK with that, then?

1673
01:20:46,380 --> 01:20:46,880
Yeah.

1674
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:50,039
OK.

1675
01:20:50,039 --> 01:20:54,430
Sign the transfer station monitor job description.

1676
01:20:54,430 --> 01:20:56,550
We went through this last meeting,

1677
01:20:56,550 --> 01:21:17,199
and just need the signatures of the bottom.

1678
01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:19,159
Copy that also when it's signed.

1679
01:21:19,159 --> 01:21:19,659
Thank you.

1680
01:21:19,659 --> 01:21:34,510
I just want to give you the other two.

1681
01:21:34,510 --> 01:21:36,250
Sign the road commissioner and the highway.

1682
01:21:36,250 --> 01:21:37,250
Sign them up.

1683
01:21:37,250 --> 01:21:38,250
That's something.

1684
01:21:38,250 --> 01:21:38,779
Yes.

1685
01:21:38,779 --> 01:21:44,140
.

1686
01:21:44,140 --> 01:21:45,640
It's not yet.

1687
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:46,140
No.

1688
01:21:46,140 --> 01:21:46,640
No.

1689
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:47,140
No.

1690
01:21:47,140 --> 01:21:48,479
I usually see them.

1691
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:50,100
I usually see them.

1692
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:51,319
Here's your file.

1693
01:21:51,319 --> 01:21:52,560
Oh, you want to call?

1694
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:53,600
There's a website.

1695
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:54,779
There's a website.

1696
01:21:54,779 --> 01:21:56,060
I know.

1697
01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:56,880
I get it.

1698
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:02,680
I see what pond is out here .

1699
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:03,739
Oh, yeah.

1700
01:22:03,739 --> 01:22:04,979
Sure?

1701
01:22:04,979 --> 01:22:06,520
You'll know they stocked up in here.

1702
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:07,079
Red Mills.

1703
01:22:07,079 --> 01:22:07,579
Yeah.

1704
01:22:07,579 --> 01:22:08,960
It's a long year.

1705
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:10,680
It's Red Mills pond.

1706
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:11,399
Yeah.

1707
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:12,560
Something like that.

1708
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:17,119
They stocked 2,500 .

1709
01:22:17,119 --> 01:22:19,119
They were just trying to put something in.

1710
01:22:19,119 --> 01:22:21,119
They usually don't do the broken things.

1711
01:22:21,119 --> 01:22:23,119
This one's really good.

1712
01:22:23,119 --> 01:22:25,119
Right around there.

1713
01:22:25,119 --> 01:22:27,119
They're all going to come in and scritch and stop.

1714
01:22:27,119 --> 01:22:29,119
And then they'll come up and throw it.

1715
01:22:29,119 --> 01:22:31,119
And then they'll drop it.

1716
01:22:31,119 --> 01:22:33,119
And then they'll put it in.

1717
01:22:33,119 --> 01:22:35,119
Oh, they had a new script.

1718
01:22:35,119 --> 01:22:37,119
We had to.

1719
01:22:37,119 --> 01:22:39,119
You ought to see it.

1720
01:22:39,119 --> 01:22:41,119
Did you wait for it?

1721
01:22:41,119 --> 01:22:43,119
Yeah, we got this amazing

1722
01:22:43,119 --> 01:22:45,119
We built a barrel.

1723
01:22:45,119 --> 01:22:47,119
We built a barrel.

1724
01:22:47,119 --> 01:22:49,119
So their body would work.

1725
01:22:49,119 --> 01:22:51,119
And it's all permanent.

1726
01:22:51,119 --> 01:22:53,119
Yeah, I know it is.

1727
01:22:53,119 --> 01:22:55,119
We built a barrel so the water

1728
01:22:55,119 --> 01:22:57,119
is diverted back where it used to go.

1729
01:22:57,119 --> 01:22:59,119
So behind, the other way.

1730
01:22:59,119 --> 01:23:01,119
So that he can work in that

1731
01:23:01,119 --> 01:23:03,119
area without getting swamped.

1732
01:23:03,119 --> 01:23:05,119
He's getting swamped anyway.

1733
01:23:05,119 --> 01:23:07,119
Yeah.

1734
01:23:07,119 --> 01:23:09,119
We've already run out of stone.

1735
01:23:09,119 --> 01:23:11,119
We have no money.

1736
01:23:11,119 --> 01:23:13,119
What are you saying?

1737
01:23:13,119 --> 01:23:15,119
Shasper.

1738
01:23:15,119 --> 01:23:18,529
Okay.

1739
01:23:18,529 --> 01:23:20,529
Review employee policy handbook.

1740
01:23:23,239 --> 01:23:25,810
And

1741
01:23:25,810 --> 01:23:27,810
I haven't had a chance to go through it.

1742
01:23:27,810 --> 01:23:29,810
We just

1743
01:23:29,810 --> 01:23:31,810
did it in a 2018 book.

1744
01:23:31,810 --> 01:23:33,810
I want to

1745
01:23:33,810 --> 01:23:35,810
put something in there.

1746
01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:37,810
By all current town policies.

1747
01:23:37,810 --> 01:23:39,810
So they would refer

1748
01:23:39,810 --> 01:23:41,810
to the conflict of interest

1749
01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:48,260
and the ethics policy.

1750
01:23:48,260 --> 01:23:50,260
Can we just hold off on this until next time?

1751
01:23:50,260 --> 01:23:52,479
We ran out of time.

1752
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:58,000
Review the social service

1753
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,000
agency policy.

1754
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,000
That one I did review because it was only one page.

1755
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:07,720
We put that in.

1756
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:09,720
Oh, no.

1757
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,720
Select board many, many years ago.

1758
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:13,720
Because we were getting requests

1759
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:15,720
for

1760
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:17,720
can you give us

1761
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:19,720
$50 for

1762
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:21,720
this organization.

1763
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,720
And if the board didn't let that organization,

1764
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:25,720
it didn't go on. Maybe you remember, right?

1765
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,880
And

1766
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:29,880
the, so we've got

1767
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,880
the social service agency policy

1768
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:33,880
that you have to

1769
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,880
get this on the ballot, let the townspeople vote

1770
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:37,880
if they want to contribute

1771
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,880
to this organization.

1772
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:41,880
And basically it's the same

1773
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,069
thing that if

1774
01:24:44,069 --> 01:24:46,069
they

1775
01:24:46,069 --> 01:24:48,069
once again we got the template

1776
01:24:48,069 --> 01:24:50,130
from the LCT.

1777
01:24:50,130 --> 01:24:52,420
And

1778
01:24:52,420 --> 01:24:54,420
if they're changing

1779
01:24:54,420 --> 01:24:57,060
the requested amount

1780
01:24:57,060 --> 01:24:59,060
or they don't get their request

1781
01:24:59,060 --> 01:25:01,060
in by the date

1782
01:25:01,060 --> 01:25:03,060
that's on here

1783
01:25:03,060 --> 01:25:05,060
so many days before

1784
01:25:05,060 --> 01:25:07,060
publishing the town report,

1785
01:25:07,060 --> 01:25:09,060
then they have to petition again.

1786
01:25:09,060 --> 01:25:11,960
That's why the two of them

1787
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:13,960
were not on

1788
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:15,960
the ballot this year, on the

1789
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,079
town report this year.

1790
01:25:19,079 --> 01:25:21,079
And they changed their amount

1791
01:25:21,079 --> 01:25:23,079
and they wanted Lori to just put it in.

1792
01:25:23,079 --> 01:25:25,079
So we're covering Lori too,

1793
01:25:25,079 --> 01:25:27,239
that she's not picking and choosing.

1794
01:25:27,239 --> 01:25:29,239
Was there any problems with this?

1795
01:25:29,239 --> 01:25:33,060
Keep the same

1796
01:25:33,060 --> 01:25:38,359
and just,

1797
01:25:38,359 --> 01:25:41,279
we're going to

1798
01:25:41,279 --> 01:25:44,439
do this in 2016.

1799
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,920
In April.

1800
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:48,979
7th of April.

1801
01:25:48,979 --> 01:25:51,270
So can I have a motion to approve it as written?

1802
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:53,270
So moved.

1803
01:25:53,270 --> 01:26:02,560
Second.

1804
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,300
All in favor? Aye.

1805
01:26:05,300 --> 01:26:12,800
Any other thing on the discussion

1806
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,369
that you feel we need to bring up?

1807
01:26:16,369 --> 01:26:18,369
Correspondence, Lori.

1808
01:26:18,369 --> 01:26:20,470
We have two municipalities

1809
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:22,470
waiting for us.

1810
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:26,520
I can't believe

1811
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:28,520
that they're coming in like this.

1812
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,520
You said hunt them down,

1813
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,520
and then you said no more.

1814
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,520
Sheila,

1815
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,520
she'd love to do this.

1816
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:38,520
She would be after them.

1817
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:44,199
I'd go after the haulers.

1818
01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:46,199
There's only a couple of them.

1819
01:26:46,199 --> 01:26:48,640
But now the alliance

1820
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:50,640
is sending out notices so

1821
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:52,640
the haulers know

1822
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:54,640
that it doesn't just stay here.

1823
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:56,640
We've got to report to the state also.

1824
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:58,640
One is for

1825
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,220
Riggs-Disler Company.

1826
01:27:01,220 --> 01:27:03,220
They're the ones that are doing

1827
01:27:03,220 --> 01:27:05,220
the poles.

1828
01:27:05,220 --> 01:27:07,220
I don't know if they're putting the poles in,

1829
01:27:07,220 --> 01:27:09,319
but I know they do the swamp pads.

1830
01:27:13,319 --> 01:27:15,319
And Structural Wood Corporation.

1831
01:27:15,319 --> 01:27:20,840
I don't know what they do.

1832
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:22,840
Structure?

1833
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:26,050
Structural Wood Corporation.

1834
01:27:26,050 --> 01:27:28,050
We don't get permits from them.

1835
01:27:28,050 --> 01:27:33,960
Thank you very much.

1836
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,020
Old business.

1837
01:27:36,020 --> 01:27:38,020
Roof trusses.

1838
01:27:38,020 --> 01:27:46,199
Maybe they're building a new house here.

1839
01:27:46,199 --> 01:27:52,199
Anything else

1840
01:27:52,199 --> 01:27:55,859
on correspondence, Lori?

1841
01:27:55,859 --> 01:27:59,680
Old business.

1842
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:01,680
I'm requesting a website update.

1843
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:03,680
Lori, if you can look into that.

1844
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,199
We need to get some more space.

1845
01:28:06,199 --> 01:28:08,199
We do.

1846
01:28:08,199 --> 01:28:10,199
In the cloud or wherever we get space from.

1847
01:28:10,199 --> 01:28:12,199
We need to put our

1848
01:28:12,199 --> 01:28:14,199
recording,

1849
01:28:14,199 --> 01:28:16,199
recording minutes.

1850
01:28:16,199 --> 01:28:18,199
I'm sure people like that,

1851
01:28:18,199 --> 01:28:22,560
but by law we have to have this on our website.

1852
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:27,060
What did we hear yesterday?

1853
01:28:27,060 --> 01:28:30,079
Our training.

1854
01:28:30,079 --> 01:28:32,079
Some towns don't have a website.

1855
01:28:32,079 --> 01:28:34,079
So they're sending it to

1856
01:28:34,079 --> 01:28:36,079
the newspaper or the TV

1857
01:28:36,079 --> 01:28:38,979
who's editing it.

1858
01:28:38,979 --> 01:28:46,899
The legislature's working

1859
01:28:46,899 --> 01:28:48,899
on something like that too.

1860
01:28:48,899 --> 01:28:52,239
That's dangerous.

1861
01:28:58,609 --> 01:29:00,609
Old business.

1862
01:29:00,609 --> 01:29:03,890
We're voting on May 14th.

1863
01:29:03,890 --> 01:29:05,890
And that is also the day

1864
01:29:05,890 --> 01:29:10,800
of

1865
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:15,140
school board

1866
01:29:15,140 --> 01:29:17,140
and a webinar.

1867
01:29:17,140 --> 01:29:19,140
VCA webinar.

1868
01:29:19,140 --> 01:29:21,590
9 to 2 30.

1869
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:23,939
It's free.

1870
01:29:23,939 --> 01:29:25,939
So you can take it at home if you want.

1871
01:29:25,939 --> 01:29:28,069
That's great.

1872
01:29:28,069 --> 01:29:30,069
Board of civil authority.

1873
01:29:30,069 --> 01:29:32,069
So it would be good for justice of the peace

1874
01:29:32,069 --> 01:29:34,069
and select board members.

1875
01:29:34,069 --> 01:29:36,069
And I'll have it running here for anybody

1876
01:29:36,069 --> 01:29:38,069
who wants to come here and listen.

1877
01:29:38,069 --> 01:29:40,069
Or you can sign up remotely.

1878
01:29:40,069 --> 01:29:42,069
It's free.

1879
01:29:42,069 --> 01:29:45,060
That would be very good

1880
01:29:45,060 --> 01:29:47,060
for any new JPs.

1881
01:29:47,060 --> 01:29:49,060
And I think you sat in last year too.

1882
01:29:49,060 --> 01:29:51,350
Yes.

1883
01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:55,359
And while you're on that subject,

1884
01:29:55,359 --> 01:29:57,649
with the election being May 14th,

1885
01:29:57,649 --> 01:29:59,649
I would love to have

1886
01:29:59,649 --> 01:30:01,649
all the justice of the peace

1887
01:30:01,649 --> 01:30:03,649
and the select board members

1888
01:30:03,649 --> 01:30:05,649
here to count.

1889
01:30:05,649 --> 01:30:07,649
7 o'clock.

1890
01:30:07,649 --> 01:30:10,640
The vote will go from

1891
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,640
10 to 7.

1892
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:14,640
It closes at 7 all day.

1893
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,640
And you'll have the two ballots.

1894
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:18,640
The town assessor

1895
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,640
or rooster ballot.

1896
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:22,640
And then the school's budget ballot.

1897
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,060
So we'll reveal the schools.

1898
01:30:25,060 --> 01:30:27,250
I believe they have to have

1899
01:30:27,250 --> 01:30:29,250
an informational meeting.

1900
01:30:29,250 --> 01:30:31,250
I don't know when that is.

1901
01:30:31,250 --> 01:30:33,250
And we're both doing a mailing

1902
01:30:33,250 --> 01:30:35,250
to all registered voters

1903
01:30:35,250 --> 01:30:37,250
to send the warrant,

1904
01:30:37,250 --> 01:30:39,250
the warning out to everybody.

1905
01:30:39,250 --> 01:30:41,699
And I don't know if they'll have

1906
01:30:41,699 --> 01:30:43,699
information included

1907
01:30:43,699 --> 01:30:45,699
in what they want to send out.

1908
01:30:45,699 --> 01:30:47,699
And we'll probably just send

1909
01:30:47,699 --> 01:30:55,489
the warrant out.

1910
01:30:55,489 --> 01:30:57,489
Doug and Mary Lou and I

1911
01:30:57,489 --> 01:31:00,100
and Laurie

1912
01:31:00,100 --> 01:31:02,100
are going to be

1913
01:31:02,100 --> 01:31:04,100
sent in on the webinar

1914
01:31:04,100 --> 01:31:06,100
yesterday about the

1915
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:08,100
open meeting law

1916
01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:10,100
and the new changes, Act 133.

1917
01:31:12,260 --> 01:31:14,260
And the LCT

1918
01:31:14,260 --> 01:31:16,260
suggested going to

1919
01:31:16,260 --> 01:31:18,260
the Secretary of State website

1920
01:31:18,260 --> 01:31:20,680
and they

1921
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:22,680
urged all board chairmen

1922
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:24,680
to attend this.

1923
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:26,680
Planning Commission,

1924
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,680
Conservation Commission,

1925
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:30,680
Cemetery, Library, School,

1926
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,350
Board of Abatement,

1927
01:31:33,350 --> 01:31:35,350
Go to this open meeting law.

1928
01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:38,369
Whatever it is.

1929
01:31:38,369 --> 01:31:40,369
The Secretary of State?

1930
01:31:40,369 --> 01:31:44,390
Yeah.

1931
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:46,390
It's got about agendas,

1932
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:55,010
executive sessions,

1933
01:31:55,010 --> 01:31:57,010
the public to attend.

1934
01:31:57,010 --> 01:32:00,319
Sounds like they have

1935
01:32:00,319 --> 01:32:02,319
a frequently asked questions page

1936
01:32:02,319 --> 01:32:04,319
and a video that you can just watch.

1937
01:32:04,319 --> 01:32:07,119
Sure.

1938
01:32:07,119 --> 01:32:09,279
If I may ask a question.

1939
01:32:09,279 --> 01:32:13,359
I was told that

1940
01:32:13,359 --> 01:32:15,359
our little ad hoc committee

1941
01:32:15,359 --> 01:32:17,359
subcommittee

1942
01:32:17,359 --> 01:32:19,619
were doing,

1943
01:32:19,619 --> 01:32:21,619
the three of us,

1944
01:32:21,619 --> 01:32:25,000
was actually a violation of the law.

1945
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,000
Well, it should have been

1946
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,090
published

1947
01:32:29,090 --> 01:32:31,090
or where you were going to meet.

1948
01:32:31,090 --> 01:32:33,090
That's the way I understood it.

1949
01:32:33,090 --> 01:32:35,279
That it should have been

1950
01:32:35,279 --> 01:32:37,890
in a public place.

1951
01:32:37,890 --> 01:32:39,890
Did you catch that yesterday?

1952
01:32:39,890 --> 01:32:41,890
They said something about

1953
01:32:41,890 --> 01:32:44,020
that subcommittee.

1954
01:32:44,020 --> 01:32:46,020
You're still bound by the open meeting law.

1955
01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:48,020
No more cheese.

1956
01:32:48,020 --> 01:32:50,020
No more cheese.

1957
01:32:50,020 --> 01:32:52,020
Right.

1958
01:32:52,020 --> 01:32:54,020
Even if you're not a quorum.

1959
01:32:54,020 --> 01:32:56,020
That's what happened.

1960
01:32:56,020 --> 01:32:58,020
That's why I thought we were safe.

1961
01:32:58,020 --> 01:33:00,020
It was not a quorum.

1962
01:33:00,020 --> 01:33:02,020
But it was a committee

1963
01:33:02,020 --> 01:33:04,020
appointed by the Planning Commission

1964
01:33:04,020 --> 01:33:06,020
to do this.

1965
01:33:06,020 --> 01:33:08,020
So committee of the committee

1966
01:33:08,020 --> 01:33:10,020
was open to

1967
01:33:10,020 --> 01:33:12,880
open calls.

1968
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:14,880
And if you're not sure,

1969
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,880
just advertise air on the side

1970
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:18,880
of caution.

1971
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,880
And location being

1972
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:22,880
a place where the public

1973
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:24,880
could have access to it as well.

1974
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:26,880
My house.

1975
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:28,880
I know we've had

1976
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:30,880
a fire station before.

1977
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:32,880
If Lori's here,

1978
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:34,880
ask her

1979
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:36,880
if this room will be empty.

1980
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:38,880
So,

1981
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,880
I know this has been

1982
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:42,880
an issue in the past.

1983
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:44,880
And as Vice Chair

1984
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,880
of the Planning Commission,

1985
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:48,880
we have been put in a situation

1986
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:50,880
where we don't have a key to open this place up.

1987
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:52,880
So, like this week,

1988
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,329
he's not around.

1989
01:33:55,329 --> 01:33:57,329
So we had to

1990
01:33:57,329 --> 01:33:59,329
contact another person

1991
01:33:59,329 --> 01:34:01,329
who wouldn't return

1992
01:34:01,329 --> 01:34:03,329
any emails or accounts.

1993
01:34:03,329 --> 01:34:05,329
But ended up showing up

1994
01:34:05,329 --> 01:34:07,329
and we were good to go.

1995
01:34:07,329 --> 01:34:09,329
Is there any way that another member,

1996
01:34:09,329 --> 01:34:11,329
whether it be Lisa or myself,

1997
01:34:11,329 --> 01:34:13,489
the Vice Chair,

1998
01:34:13,489 --> 01:34:15,880
can get a key

1999
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:17,880
to open?

2000
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:19,880
I know we have a key policy

2001
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:21,880
that we suggest

2002
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:23,880
to the chairmen of the board

2003
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:25,880
because Lori has only so many keys.

2004
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,880
So, perhaps,

2005
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:29,880
Peter, if you knew

2006
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:31,880
he was going to be out of town

2007
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,260
and you're having a meeting,

2008
01:34:34,260 --> 01:34:36,260
can we have the key?

2009
01:34:36,260 --> 01:34:38,260
So we can pass it out to someone?

2010
01:34:38,260 --> 01:34:40,390
Yeah, because he's

2011
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:42,390
responsible for it.

2012
01:34:42,390 --> 01:34:44,390
His signature is on

2013
01:34:44,390 --> 01:34:46,390
Lori's key number.

2014
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:48,390
You have to sign for it.

2015
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:50,390
It's still in the liability of...

2016
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:52,390
So Pete would still be responsible

2017
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:54,390
for the monster?

2018
01:34:54,390 --> 01:34:56,609
Yeah.

2019
01:34:56,609 --> 01:34:58,609
So that's what I'm saying.

2020
01:34:58,609 --> 01:35:01,220
It's like, okay, well, alright.

2021
01:35:01,220 --> 01:35:03,220
I probably have a key.

2022
01:35:03,220 --> 01:35:05,220
Do I need it?

2023
01:35:05,220 --> 01:35:07,220
What's that?

2024
01:35:07,220 --> 01:35:09,220
I could give up my key

2025
01:35:09,220 --> 01:35:11,699
if I needed to.

2026
01:35:11,699 --> 01:35:13,699
I guess you could give it to Jim.

2027
01:35:15,699 --> 01:35:17,699
I never come here

2028
01:35:17,699 --> 01:35:19,699
and don't want to go

2029
01:35:19,699 --> 01:35:21,699
on the set.

2030
01:35:21,699 --> 01:35:23,699
I don't want to be the one

2031
01:35:23,699 --> 01:35:25,699
everybody's hearing the alarm.

2032
01:35:25,699 --> 01:35:27,699
I was yesterday.

2033
01:35:27,699 --> 01:35:29,699
It was just confusing because

2034
01:35:29,699 --> 01:35:31,699
we had run into this once before

2035
01:35:31,699 --> 01:35:33,699
where there was a planning commission meeting

2036
01:35:33,699 --> 01:35:35,920
and people came

2037
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:37,920
and it got cancelled.

2038
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,920
So,

2039
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:41,920
when we were trying to head off

2040
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:43,920
the possibility of that,

2041
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:45,920
both Pete and Jim

2042
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:47,920
were sending

2043
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:49,920
email around

2044
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,210
and we just didn't get

2045
01:35:52,210 --> 01:35:54,210
a response. So there was a little

2046
01:35:54,210 --> 01:35:56,210
bit of a briskness about

2047
01:35:56,210 --> 01:35:58,210
would we show up for the meeting

2048
01:35:58,210 --> 01:36:03,670
and not be able to get in the building.

2049
01:36:03,670 --> 01:36:05,670
That was a worry.

2050
01:36:05,670 --> 01:36:07,670
But what I'm hearing is

2051
01:36:07,670 --> 01:36:09,670
Pete can give the key to one of us.

2052
01:36:09,670 --> 01:36:11,670
Yeah.

2053
01:36:11,670 --> 01:36:13,670
Or say, I'm going to be gone

2054
01:36:13,670 --> 01:36:15,670
and I'll leave it under my step

2055
01:36:15,670 --> 01:36:18,079
or under the flower pot.

2056
01:36:18,079 --> 01:36:20,079
Or come get it.

2057
01:36:20,079 --> 01:36:22,079
More likely.

2058
01:36:22,079 --> 01:36:24,079
I don't think that's a responsible thing to do.

2059
01:36:24,079 --> 01:36:26,079
To be honest with you.

2060
01:36:26,079 --> 01:36:28,079
No flower pots.

2061
01:36:28,079 --> 01:36:30,079
No flowers.

2062
01:36:30,079 --> 01:36:32,079
So the only other thing I have to say

2063
01:36:32,079 --> 01:36:34,920
is that

2064
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:36,920
we were talking about an ordinance

2065
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:38,920
some ordinances to write an ordinance

2066
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:40,920
or something about our

2067
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:42,920
continuous and

2068
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:44,920
possible in the future

2069
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:46,920
food trucks and blah blah blah

2070
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,920
and everything else. So I took it upon myself

2071
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:50,920
to do some research on an ordinance

2072
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:52,920
or ordinances

2073
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:54,920
involving food trucks

2074
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:56,920
ice cream trucks

2075
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:58,920
anything

2076
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,590
to help the situation

2077
01:37:01,590 --> 01:37:03,649
because an up and coming

2078
01:37:03,649 --> 01:37:05,649
problem

2079
01:37:05,649 --> 01:37:07,649
might as well need to be done by now.

2080
01:37:07,649 --> 01:37:10,069
So

2081
01:37:10,069 --> 01:37:12,069
I've been having some conversation with that

2082
01:37:12,069 --> 01:37:14,069
about this thing too.

2083
01:37:14,069 --> 01:37:16,479
So whatever makes her job

2084
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:18,479
easier and

2085
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:20,479
basically allows you guys

2086
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:22,960
to have some

2087
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:24,960
control over that.

2088
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,189
So if we were having

2089
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:29,189
some event like say the resiliency

2090
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:31,189
fair and you wanted to have

2091
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:33,189
food trucks outside

2092
01:37:33,189 --> 01:37:35,189
would it have to come before the board

2093
01:37:35,189 --> 01:37:37,189
select board?

2094
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:39,189
Board of Health?

2095
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:41,189
So it depends on how you set it up.

2096
01:37:41,189 --> 01:37:43,189
In this particular in Morristown

2097
01:37:43,189 --> 01:37:45,189
this one that I chose

2098
01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:47,189
the AO

2099
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:49,189
gives out permits for it.

2100
01:37:49,189 --> 01:37:51,189
So they're registered.

2101
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:53,189
Right. And so

2102
01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:55,189
Lonington also has a similar

2103
01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:57,409
bylaw

2104
01:37:57,409 --> 01:37:59,409
or ordinance

2105
01:37:59,409 --> 01:38:01,409
and the way they do it is that

2106
01:38:01,409 --> 01:38:03,409
they're not allowed

2107
01:38:03,409 --> 01:38:05,409
if they have a private lot

2108
01:38:05,409 --> 01:38:07,409
that they can park

2109
01:38:07,409 --> 01:38:09,640
on the private lot

2110
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:11,640
and the owner has to get a permit

2111
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:14,760
for it.

2112
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:16,760
Not the food truck or the ice cream truck

2113
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:18,760
because they're holding

2114
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:20,760
they're holding

2115
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:22,760
yes well the food trucks

2116
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:24,760
can't get a permit unless

2117
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:26,760
they have a state permit.

2118
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:28,760
But this is an issue

2119
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:30,760
that we've always

2120
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:32,760
talked about and ran into

2121
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,199
and this is an ordinance

2122
01:38:35,199 --> 01:38:37,199
so it doesn't have anything to do with land.

2123
01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:40,640
So

2124
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:42,640
but it goes through

2125
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:44,640
it would go through

2126
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:46,640
an enforcement agent

2127
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:48,640
in AO or

2128
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:50,640
you know what I mean

2129
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:52,640
so you would just have to

2130
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:54,640
place a fee or

2131
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:56,640
and you can do temporary

2132
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:58,640
so if you were to have an event

2133
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:00,869
here in Stanford like

2134
01:39:00,869 --> 01:39:02,869
a rodeo or

2135
01:39:02,869 --> 01:39:04,869
a rodeo

2136
01:39:04,869 --> 01:39:06,869
concert or anything like that

2137
01:39:06,869 --> 01:39:08,869
and you have all these food trucks

2138
01:39:08,869 --> 01:39:10,869
coming in

2139
01:39:10,869 --> 01:39:12,869
it kind of gives us an opportunity

2140
01:39:12,869 --> 01:39:14,869
to make a little bit of money too.

2141
01:39:14,869 --> 01:39:16,869
So it used to be fair

2142
01:39:16,869 --> 01:39:18,869
fair

2143
01:39:18,869 --> 01:39:20,869
but

2144
01:39:20,869 --> 01:39:22,869
but I got the ordinance

2145
01:39:22,869 --> 01:39:24,869
and I was going to tweak it around

2146
01:39:24,869 --> 01:39:26,869
and kind of play around with it

2147
01:39:26,869 --> 01:39:28,869
and give it to Lori

2148
01:39:28,869 --> 01:39:30,899
and see and

2149
01:39:30,899 --> 01:39:32,899
I wonder would that cover

2150
01:39:32,899 --> 01:39:35,159
it under the board of health?

2151
01:39:35,159 --> 01:39:37,159
Would the board of health give the permits?

2152
01:39:37,159 --> 01:39:39,159
I don't know.

2153
01:39:39,159 --> 01:39:41,159
The food truck probably should have a state permit.

2154
01:39:41,159 --> 01:39:43,159
Yeah.

2155
01:39:43,159 --> 01:39:45,159
So the health officer would be the one

2156
01:39:45,159 --> 01:39:47,279
to be able to enforce

2157
01:39:47,279 --> 01:39:49,279
those kind of laws

2158
01:39:49,279 --> 01:39:51,279
but it's a state

2159
01:39:51,279 --> 01:39:53,319
and we don't enforce

2160
01:39:53,319 --> 01:39:55,319
state laws

2161
01:39:55,319 --> 01:39:57,640
No.

2162
01:39:57,640 --> 01:39:59,640
It would be in charge of

2163
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:01,640
restaurants or whatever.

2164
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:03,640
Right.

2165
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:05,640
I mean this comes with a whole application

2166
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:07,640
but you said

2167
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:09,640
This would just be the permit process

2168
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:11,640
basically from the park

2169
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:13,640
So for instance

2170
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:15,640
let's lay it right out there

2171
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,640
Lion Farm wants to

2172
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:19,640
I guess

2173
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:21,640
open up the ice cream

2174
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:23,640
this isn't just word of mouth

2175
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:25,640
I'm not advertising this at all

2176
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:27,640
it's what I'm hearing

2177
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:29,640
and if that is the case

2178
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:31,640
then Stephanie could get a permit

2179
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:33,920
to accommodate that.

2180
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:35,920
Yeah.

2181
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:37,920
And they have their own state permits

2182
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:40,210
and they can park anywhere they want

2183
01:40:40,210 --> 01:40:42,210
because we don't have any ordinances

2184
01:40:42,210 --> 01:40:44,210
or any kind of laws that says they can't

2185
01:40:44,210 --> 01:40:46,439
and this is not going to be

2186
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:48,439
to where they can't do certain things

2187
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:50,529
but

2188
01:40:50,529 --> 01:40:52,529
Wilmington is a little different as far as

2189
01:40:52,529 --> 01:40:54,529
I don't know

2190
01:40:54,529 --> 01:40:56,529
I mean it's a different set up entirely

2191
01:40:56,529 --> 01:40:58,529
Yeah.

2192
01:40:58,529 --> 01:41:00,529
But they literally have their police

2193
01:41:00,529 --> 01:41:02,529
throw food trucks

2194
01:41:02,529 --> 01:41:04,529
I mean I think we should do everything

2195
01:41:04,529 --> 01:41:06,529
we can do to make these things easier

2196
01:41:06,529 --> 01:41:08,529
for people to do that

2197
01:41:08,529 --> 01:41:10,529
It should be more difficult

2198
01:41:10,529 --> 01:41:12,529
We shouldn't be trying to put up walls

2199
01:41:12,529 --> 01:41:14,529
to stop whatever it is

2200
01:41:14,529 --> 01:41:16,529
But I mean in this process

2201
01:41:16,529 --> 01:41:18,880
it's probably not that reasonable

2202
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:20,880
Hey, you never know when

2203
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:22,880
And it's still in control

2204
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:24,880
It's still registering

2205
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:26,880
We know it's here

2206
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:28,880
We're not trying to make more regulations

2207
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:30,880
We're just trying to protect the homeowner

2208
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:32,880
that's living next door

2209
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:34,880
or across the street

2210
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:36,880
We have control over it

2211
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:38,880
I think food trucks here

2212
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:40,880
at a certain time of day or year

2213
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:42,880
could do quite well

2214
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:44,880
Yeah

2215
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:46,880
And so like the Polish guy there

2216
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:48,880
was doing a

2217
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:50,880
food truck

2218
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:52,880
up on County Road or something

2219
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:56,869
Really?

2220
01:41:56,869 --> 01:41:58,869
That's where he lives

2221
01:41:58,869 --> 01:42:00,869
up there

2222
01:42:00,869 --> 01:42:02,869
He wanted to

2223
01:42:02,869 --> 01:42:04,869
feed the ATE hikers

2224
01:42:04,869 --> 01:42:06,869
Right, the hikers and stuff up there

2225
01:42:06,869 --> 01:42:08,869
He wanted to go in

2226
01:42:08,869 --> 01:42:10,869
over

2227
01:42:10,869 --> 01:42:12,869
He showed me exactly where he wanted to park the truck

2228
01:42:12,869 --> 01:42:14,869
and it was right by the

2229
01:42:14,869 --> 01:42:16,869
I said

2230
01:42:16,869 --> 01:42:18,869
I mean, I wouldn't go over here

2231
01:42:18,869 --> 01:42:20,869
Not bad

2232
01:42:20,869 --> 01:42:22,869
Do you know if

2233
01:42:22,869 --> 01:42:24,869
he ever did any business there?

2234
01:42:24,869 --> 01:42:26,869
Yeah, I was curious how much business

2235
01:42:26,869 --> 01:42:28,869
I don't know

2236
01:42:28,869 --> 01:42:31,279
I don't know

2237
01:42:31,279 --> 01:42:33,279
It would be convenient

2238
01:42:33,279 --> 01:42:35,279
for one of the hikers to come along

2239
01:42:35,279 --> 01:42:37,279
There's a food truck in the middle of nowhere

2240
01:42:37,279 --> 01:42:39,279
What?

2241
01:42:39,279 --> 01:42:41,279
I didn't like going to that kielbasa

2242
01:42:41,279 --> 01:42:43,279
I know

2243
01:42:43,279 --> 01:42:45,279
I know

2244
01:42:45,279 --> 01:42:47,279
He was like

2245
01:42:47,279 --> 01:42:49,279
I don't want to cook tonight

2246
01:42:49,279 --> 01:42:51,279
and then he'd be close

2247
01:42:51,279 --> 01:42:53,279
Anyways

2248
01:42:53,279 --> 01:42:55,920
So if you have it

2249
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,920
I think we'd be willing

2250
01:42:57,920 --> 01:42:59,920
to look at it

2251
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:01,920
I was

2252
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:03,920
doing some things

2253
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:05,920
extra things today

2254
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:09,039
Check into that

2255
01:43:09,039 --> 01:43:11,039
I have it

2256
01:43:11,039 --> 01:43:13,039
and I'll

2257
01:43:13,039 --> 01:43:15,039
play around with it

2258
01:43:15,039 --> 01:43:17,039
put some names here and there

2259
01:43:17,039 --> 01:43:19,039
and put it on the agenda

2260
01:43:19,039 --> 01:43:21,039
Does it say

2261
01:43:21,039 --> 01:43:23,039
Does it give the definition of food trucks?

2262
01:43:23,039 --> 01:43:25,039
Does Vermont have it?

2263
01:43:25,039 --> 01:43:27,039
Yeah, there's an entire

2264
01:43:27,039 --> 01:43:29,039
ice cream truck, fire truck

2265
01:43:29,039 --> 01:43:31,039
Food trucks

2266
01:43:31,039 --> 01:43:33,039
State license

2267
01:43:33,039 --> 01:43:35,039
You know

2268
01:43:35,039 --> 01:43:37,039
They'll get

2269
01:43:37,039 --> 01:43:39,039
We could get this specific

2270
01:43:39,039 --> 01:43:41,039
if you want

2271
01:43:41,039 --> 01:43:43,039
I was

2272
01:43:43,039 --> 01:43:45,039
I was

2273
01:43:45,039 --> 01:43:47,039
Yeah

2274
01:43:47,039 --> 01:43:49,039
Do you remember the David Vaughn truck?

2275
01:43:49,039 --> 01:43:51,039
Yeah

2276
01:43:51,039 --> 01:43:53,039
My uncle was driving it up

2277
01:43:53,039 --> 01:43:55,039
a year ago

2278
01:43:55,039 --> 01:43:57,039
It was parked next to my house for years

2279
01:43:57,039 --> 01:43:59,039
Oh yeah

2280
01:43:59,039 --> 01:44:01,039
I can remember as a kid

2281
01:44:01,039 --> 01:44:03,039
we lived in a neighborhood

2282
01:44:03,039 --> 01:44:05,039
four or five streets

2283
01:44:05,039 --> 01:44:07,039
and you could hear that thing coming in

2284
01:44:07,039 --> 01:44:09,039
We would

2285
01:44:09,039 --> 01:44:11,039
You just couldn't control yourself

2286
01:44:11,039 --> 01:44:13,039
They took away the

2287
01:44:13,039 --> 01:44:15,039
They took away the chocolate taco

2288
01:44:15,039 --> 01:44:17,239
so those were the best

2289
01:44:17,239 --> 01:44:19,239
So they referred to it as an itinerant

2290
01:44:19,239 --> 01:44:21,239
vendor peddler's food sales

2291
01:44:21,239 --> 01:44:23,300
That's what they had

2292
01:44:23,300 --> 01:44:25,300
Itinerant

2293
01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:27,300
I used to list the full scale dairy bar

2294
01:44:27,300 --> 01:44:29,300
we used to have back in the early 80s

2295
01:44:29,300 --> 01:44:31,300
Oh that was nice

2296
01:44:31,300 --> 01:44:33,300
That was the official name for food trucks

2297
01:44:33,300 --> 01:44:35,300
and stuff like that

2298
01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:37,300
Okay

2299
01:44:37,300 --> 01:44:39,300
Oh what did that do?

2300
01:44:39,300 --> 01:44:41,300
They had like hamburgers, hot dogs

2301
01:44:41,300 --> 01:44:43,300
They had like hamburgers, hot dogs

2302
01:44:43,300 --> 01:44:45,300
Plain rolls

2303
01:44:45,300 --> 01:44:47,300
Plain rolls for some

2304
01:44:47,300 --> 01:44:49,300
Yeah

2305
01:44:49,300 --> 01:44:51,300
Right across from

2306
01:44:51,300 --> 01:44:53,300
Rome's

2307
01:44:53,300 --> 01:44:55,300
Rome's Place

2308
01:44:55,300 --> 01:44:57,300
That little white place

2309
01:44:57,300 --> 01:44:59,300
It's actually bigger than it used to be

2310
01:44:59,300 --> 01:45:01,300
They put an addition on the top

2311
01:45:01,300 --> 01:45:03,300
There was a window there

2312
01:45:03,300 --> 01:45:05,300
Special meals

2313
01:45:05,300 --> 01:45:07,300
Yep

2314
01:45:07,300 --> 01:45:09,300
What do you mean that?

2315
01:45:09,300 --> 01:45:11,300
My mother would throw me on the bike

2316
01:45:11,300 --> 01:45:13,300
at ten speed with the classic thing

2317
01:45:13,300 --> 01:45:15,300
Yeah that's long

2318
01:45:15,300 --> 01:45:17,300
Don't count that

2319
01:45:17,300 --> 01:45:19,300
No

2320
01:45:19,300 --> 01:45:21,300
Probably 70

2321
01:45:21,300 --> 01:45:23,300
So they referred to this as lunch wagon

2322
01:45:23,300 --> 01:45:25,300
ice cream truck

2323
01:45:25,300 --> 01:45:27,300
mobile or temporary stand

2324
01:45:27,300 --> 01:45:29,300
like a food stand

2325
01:45:29,300 --> 01:45:31,460
on public property

2326
01:45:31,460 --> 01:45:33,460
for the purpose of a food or craft sale

2327
01:45:33,460 --> 01:45:35,460
on public

2328
01:45:35,460 --> 01:45:37,460
What about private

2329
01:45:37,460 --> 01:45:39,460
It's the same thing

2330
01:45:39,460 --> 01:45:41,460
So they're talking about

2331
01:45:41,460 --> 01:45:43,460
on public property

2332
01:45:43,460 --> 01:45:45,460
The town wants to

2333
01:45:45,460 --> 01:45:47,619
to do

2334
01:45:47,619 --> 01:45:49,619
to give a license

2335
01:45:49,619 --> 01:45:51,619
they give it to them on public property

2336
01:45:51,619 --> 01:45:53,619
They give them a spot to do it

2337
01:45:53,619 --> 01:45:56,039
So they don't need it for private property?

2338
01:45:56,039 --> 01:45:58,039
No

2339
01:45:58,039 --> 01:46:00,039
Oh

2340
01:46:00,039 --> 01:46:02,039
That particular one

2341
01:46:02,039 --> 01:46:04,039
But you can say

2342
01:46:04,039 --> 01:46:06,039
We can do whatever we want

2343
01:46:06,039 --> 01:46:08,039
This is just their violence

2344
01:46:08,039 --> 01:46:10,039
This is their

2345
01:46:10,039 --> 01:46:12,039
Did VLCT have a template or no?

2346
01:46:12,039 --> 01:46:14,039
I didn't ask

2347
01:46:14,039 --> 01:46:16,039
I didn't

2348
01:46:16,039 --> 01:46:18,520
I've been contacted all week with that

2349
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:21,539
but I didn't go through that

2350
01:46:21,539 --> 01:46:23,539
I just did this

2351
01:46:23,539 --> 01:46:26,560
about five years ago

2352
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:28,560
until somebody asked me

2353
01:46:35,159 --> 01:46:37,159
Okay

2354
01:46:37,159 --> 01:46:39,159
Any other new business?

2355
01:46:39,159 --> 01:46:41,159
Well this

2356
01:46:41,159 --> 01:46:43,159
I don't know if this is the time to bring it up

2357
01:46:43,159 --> 01:46:45,159
Just pertaining to a conversation we had earlier

2358
01:46:45,159 --> 01:46:47,989
I'm wondering if

2359
01:46:47,989 --> 01:46:49,989
this thing with

2360
01:46:49,989 --> 01:46:51,989
from the church

2361
01:46:51,989 --> 01:46:53,989
is really

2362
01:46:53,989 --> 01:46:55,989
something I should be involved in

2363
01:46:55,989 --> 01:46:57,989
I think it's more of a health officer

2364
01:46:57,989 --> 01:47:00,239
situation

2365
01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:02,239
Why would it be health officer?

2366
01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:04,239
Well

2367
01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:06,239
they did show me the statute in Vermont

2368
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:08,239
It's not zoning

2369
01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:10,239
It's the health officer

2370
01:47:10,239 --> 01:47:12,239
because of asbestos

2371
01:47:12,239 --> 01:47:14,239
or any contaminated materials

2372
01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:16,239
Pardon?

2373
01:47:16,239 --> 01:47:18,239
I mean

2374
01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:20,239
Unless you currently are

2375
01:47:20,239 --> 01:47:22,239
I'll say Lucas

2376
01:47:22,239 --> 01:47:24,239
I mean

2377
01:47:24,239 --> 01:47:26,239
I know in the past if people have come to me

2378
01:47:26,239 --> 01:47:28,239
and had a complaint that's out of my jurisdiction

2379
01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:30,239
I refer them

2380
01:47:30,239 --> 01:47:32,239
So if this complaint has come to me

2381
01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:34,239
do I refer it to Luke

2382
01:47:34,239 --> 01:47:36,239
or do I just handle it and ask

2383
01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:38,239
I'm happy to handle it

2384
01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:41,039
but I'm asking you guys

2385
01:47:41,039 --> 01:47:43,039
because it's

2386
01:47:43,039 --> 01:47:45,329
I'm not the health officer

2387
01:47:45,329 --> 01:47:47,329
from this building

2388
01:47:47,329 --> 01:47:49,649
You can't tear down

2389
01:47:49,649 --> 01:47:51,649
You can't tear down a building

2390
01:47:51,649 --> 01:47:53,649
Trust me

2391
01:47:53,649 --> 01:47:55,649
Just to give a little help there

2392
01:47:55,649 --> 01:47:57,649
When Lincoln poured down

2393
01:47:57,649 --> 01:47:59,810
the house

2394
01:47:59,810 --> 01:48:01,810
Which?

2395
01:48:01,810 --> 01:48:03,810
It was there one day and gone the next

2396
01:48:03,810 --> 01:48:05,840
It was that quick

2397
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:07,840
Well this here

2398
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:09,840
I'm like ooh something's missing

2399
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:11,840
And it was a little hollow bar garage

2400
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:13,840
Am I right?

2401
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:15,840
Where's that?

2402
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:17,939
The church?

2403
01:48:17,939 --> 01:48:19,939
It was not part of the internal

2404
01:48:19,939 --> 01:48:21,939
It was added on later

2405
01:48:21,939 --> 01:48:23,939
It wasn't part of the original

2406
01:48:23,939 --> 01:48:25,939
I mean

2407
01:48:25,939 --> 01:48:27,939
Yes he should

2408
01:48:27,939 --> 01:48:29,939
Because it is a law

2409
01:48:29,939 --> 01:48:31,939
You know it's a lead based paint law

2410
01:48:31,939 --> 01:48:33,939
Right

2411
01:48:33,939 --> 01:48:36,840
That you have to disclose

2412
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:38,840
According to the state

2413
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:40,840
When I called on Lincoln

2414
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:42,840
Because I was basically told to go

2415
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:44,840
That's in my hat

2416
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:46,840
And I said

2417
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:48,840
Oh no

2418
01:48:48,840 --> 01:48:50,840
Just before I left

2419
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:52,840
Is that Lincoln up on

2420
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:54,840
The new house

2421
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:56,840
Oh the new house

2422
01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:58,840
The big red house that was out in front

2423
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:00,840
Should be sold off

2424
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:02,840
Should be sold off

2425
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:04,840
So which I stopped at the

2426
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:07,800
House

2427
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:09,800
That I was told

2428
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:11,800
That there was no state law

2429
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:13,800
About raising a house

2430
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:15,800
And I'm like it was okay

2431
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:17,800
But what about abatement

2432
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:19,800
And stuff like that

2433
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:21,800
I was told

2434
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:23,800
I was told that the contractor

2435
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:25,800
Whoever did it is responsible

2436
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:27,800
They have a state license to do that

2437
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:29,800
And I said okay

2438
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:31,800
So what's

2439
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:34,850
What is my goal

2440
01:49:34,850 --> 01:49:36,850
I mean what am I

2441
01:49:36,850 --> 01:49:38,850
In all of this

2442
01:49:38,850 --> 01:49:40,850
There's no permit

2443
01:49:40,850 --> 01:49:42,850
We don't have a bylaw

2444
01:49:42,850 --> 01:49:44,850
That says that you need a permit

2445
01:49:44,850 --> 01:49:46,850
To take down a house

2446
01:49:46,850 --> 01:49:48,850
And so he said well if you don't have a bylaw

2447
01:49:48,850 --> 01:49:51,430
There's nothing that you can do about it

2448
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:53,779
So it's the state's responsibility

2449
01:49:53,779 --> 01:49:55,779
And that's the way

2450
01:49:55,779 --> 01:49:57,779
I read it at that point

2451
01:49:57,779 --> 01:49:59,779
It's the state's responsibility

2452
01:49:59,779 --> 01:50:02,039
I don't know

2453
01:50:02,039 --> 01:50:04,039
That's kind of how I feel

2454
01:50:04,039 --> 01:50:06,039
As a contractor

2455
01:50:06,039 --> 01:50:08,039
But just like building

2456
01:50:08,039 --> 01:50:10,039
There's state rules for

2457
01:50:10,039 --> 01:50:12,039
Buildings

2458
01:50:12,039 --> 01:50:14,039
And we used to have something out there

2459
01:50:14,039 --> 01:50:16,039
If you're building

2460
01:50:16,039 --> 01:50:18,039
The contractor must be registered with the state

2461
01:50:18,039 --> 01:50:20,159
And billed according to the state laws

2462
01:50:20,159 --> 01:50:22,159
I don't know if they do it

2463
01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:24,159
But what if you want to build your own house

2464
01:50:24,159 --> 01:50:26,159
Do you have to follow the state laws

2465
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:28,159
So if you want to repaint your house

2466
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:30,159
And scrape the paint off the outside

2467
01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:32,159
I mean yeah

2468
01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:34,159
This is the broader issue

2469
01:50:34,159 --> 01:50:36,159
I mean you could really

2470
01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:38,159
We could open up a major can of worms

2471
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:40,159
With all this

2472
01:50:40,159 --> 01:50:42,159
I think just let her improve the building

2473
01:50:42,159 --> 01:50:44,159
And let her do what she's doing

2474
01:50:44,159 --> 01:50:46,159
You know I remember when the Burtons

2475
01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:48,159
Were scraping the paint off their house

2476
01:50:48,159 --> 01:50:50,159
That was probably there from

2477
01:50:50,159 --> 01:50:52,159
You can scrape blood paint but you're supposed to have plastic off it

2478
01:50:52,159 --> 01:50:54,159
You're supposed to

2479
01:50:54,159 --> 01:50:56,159
You're supposed to contain it

2480
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:58,159
I mean this could get really stupid

2481
01:50:58,159 --> 01:51:00,159
If we wanted to

2482
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:02,159
I mean there's people who work all over the house

2483
01:51:02,159 --> 01:51:04,159
You could create a new bylaw

2484
01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:06,159
Basically saying just that

2485
01:51:06,159 --> 01:51:08,159
You need a permit in order to raise a house

2486
01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:10,159
So I

2487
01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:12,159
I think there should be

2488
01:51:12,159 --> 01:51:14,159
There should be a permit for that

2489
01:51:14,159 --> 01:51:16,159
And the only reason why

2490
01:51:16,159 --> 01:51:18,159
Is because then

2491
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:20,159
Like when somebody

2492
01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:22,159
When somebody comes through the window

2493
01:51:22,159 --> 01:51:24,390
Of the house

2494
01:51:24,390 --> 01:51:26,390
Laurie hands them a building permit

2495
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:28,390
Well they can't submit a building permit

2496
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:30,390
To me or Irving or to Deb

2497
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:32,390
Now without

2498
01:51:32,390 --> 01:51:34,390
Dirt well and bottled water

2499
01:51:34,390 --> 01:51:36,390
And septic design

2500
01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:38,390
You can't do

2501
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:40,390
You can't sign or approve a permit without that

2502
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:42,579
And

2503
01:51:42,579 --> 01:51:44,579
If you were to make them get a permit to raise a house

2504
01:51:44,579 --> 01:51:47,090
Then

2505
01:51:47,090 --> 01:51:49,090
You have some control

2506
01:51:49,090 --> 01:51:51,090
Over hey you need a

2507
01:51:51,090 --> 01:51:53,090
Certificate from

2508
01:51:53,090 --> 01:51:55,090
The contractor or the health officer

2509
01:51:55,090 --> 01:51:57,090
So

2510
01:51:57,090 --> 01:51:59,090
And that protects us

2511
01:51:59,090 --> 01:52:01,090
It protects the neighbor

2512
01:52:01,090 --> 01:52:03,090
What if you want to leave the house up

2513
01:52:03,090 --> 01:52:05,090
But you're just going to

2514
01:52:05,090 --> 01:52:07,090
Gunk the whole entire thing

2515
01:52:07,090 --> 01:52:09,090
All the lead pipes

2516
01:52:09,090 --> 01:52:11,090
It's remodeling

2517
01:52:11,090 --> 01:52:13,220
Well we have Wyatt's house

2518
01:52:13,220 --> 01:52:15,220
You have no control over that

2519
01:52:15,220 --> 01:52:17,220
But if somebody's knocking down a house

2520
01:52:17,220 --> 01:52:19,220
Next to Doug's house

2521
01:52:19,220 --> 01:52:21,220
Like one tree over

2522
01:52:21,220 --> 01:52:23,220
And it's full of lead paint

2523
01:52:23,220 --> 01:52:25,220
And all the dust is blowing towards your house

2524
01:52:25,220 --> 01:52:27,220
I mean that's wrong

2525
01:52:27,220 --> 01:52:29,220
It may trigger somebody to say

2526
01:52:29,220 --> 01:52:31,220
Oh maybe I do need

2527
01:52:31,220 --> 01:52:33,220
To move into this

2528
01:52:33,220 --> 01:52:35,220
So should these people be directed to contact

2529
01:52:35,220 --> 01:52:37,220
The state so the state can enforce

2530
01:52:37,220 --> 01:52:39,220
Their laws or is it the town's

2531
01:52:39,220 --> 01:52:41,220
Responsibility to show them

2532
01:52:41,220 --> 01:52:43,350
They're going to deal with it

2533
01:52:43,350 --> 01:52:45,350
Good question

2534
01:52:45,350 --> 01:52:47,350
I don't think the state would be down here

2535
01:52:47,350 --> 01:52:49,350
If they got a problem someone should call

2536
01:52:49,350 --> 01:52:51,350
Markley if they have a problem

2537
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:53,350
They should call the board

2538
01:52:53,350 --> 01:52:55,350
Environmental health or whatever it is

2539
01:52:55,350 --> 01:52:57,350
Would this be something maybe the health officer

2540
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:59,350
Because of the health things

2541
01:52:59,350 --> 01:53:01,350
Yeah and then

2542
01:53:01,350 --> 01:53:03,350
If you see somebody doing something wrong

2543
01:53:03,350 --> 01:53:05,350
Talk to them or whatever they think

2544
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:07,350
Or call the state and say this is going on

2545
01:53:07,350 --> 01:53:09,350
Did Dave

2546
01:53:09,350 --> 01:53:11,350
Make an issue when Pete Greenbush

2547
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:13,350
Took down Mr. Reynolds

2548
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:15,350
He did

2549
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:17,350
He said there should be a permit

2550
01:53:17,350 --> 01:53:19,350
Or something

2551
01:53:19,350 --> 01:53:21,350
Yeah I guess

2552
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:23,350
He did say help and he was

2553
01:53:23,350 --> 01:53:25,350
He mentioned something about burning

2554
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:27,380
But I'm not sure

2555
01:53:27,380 --> 01:53:29,380
I mean he

2556
01:53:29,380 --> 01:53:31,380
I mean he's not wrong

2557
01:53:31,380 --> 01:53:33,380
No he's not wrong about the

2558
01:53:33,380 --> 01:53:35,380
Permit by no means

2559
01:53:35,380 --> 01:53:37,380
I agree

2560
01:53:37,380 --> 01:53:39,380
That there should be a permit

2561
01:53:39,380 --> 01:53:41,380
I think we should have

2562
01:53:41,380 --> 01:53:43,380
A bylaw that says that you have to get a

2563
01:53:43,380 --> 01:53:45,380
Permit

2564
01:53:45,380 --> 01:53:47,380
Should that go into our zoning bylaws

2565
01:53:47,380 --> 01:53:49,600
Yeah

2566
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:51,600
And that would enable her to say okay

2567
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:53,600
I can't approve this

2568
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:55,600
Until I get a certificate from your

2569
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:57,600
Contractor that there's no

2570
01:53:57,600 --> 01:53:59,600
Lead in asbestos

2571
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:01,600
Right

2572
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:03,600
So is there a clause in our bylaws now

2573
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:05,600
That says something about when you change the

2574
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:07,600
Footprint of the building

2575
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:09,600
That you need a permit

2576
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:11,600
And would that work or

2577
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:13,600
No

2578
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:16,500
That's it same footprint anymore

2579
01:54:16,500 --> 01:54:18,500
In that case

2580
01:54:18,500 --> 01:54:20,500
If the house burns down

2581
01:54:20,500 --> 01:54:22,500
Then you are

2582
01:54:22,500 --> 01:54:24,500
Allowed within a year I think

2583
01:54:24,500 --> 01:54:26,500
To rebuild

2584
01:54:26,500 --> 01:54:28,500
I don't think a bylaw said a year ago

2585
01:54:28,500 --> 01:54:30,500
But rebuild into the same

2586
01:54:30,500 --> 01:54:32,500
Footprint

2587
01:54:32,500 --> 01:54:34,500
It does have a timeline

2588
01:54:34,500 --> 01:54:36,500
It might be

2589
01:54:36,500 --> 01:54:38,500
If it burns down you have the ability

2590
01:54:38,500 --> 01:54:40,500
To rebuild in the same footprint

2591
01:54:40,500 --> 01:54:42,500
But if you're going to change the footprint

2592
01:54:42,500 --> 01:54:44,500
You need a permit

2593
01:54:44,500 --> 01:54:46,500
So the footprint you could say

2594
01:54:46,500 --> 01:54:48,500
Has been changed

2595
01:54:48,500 --> 01:54:50,500
I mean it's a difference of a hundred

2596
01:54:50,500 --> 01:54:52,500
Well what's the permit now

2597
01:54:52,500 --> 01:54:54,500
The building permit

2598
01:54:54,500 --> 01:54:56,500
It's a different

2599
01:54:56,500 --> 01:54:58,500
Categories

2600
01:55:02,500 --> 01:55:04,500
But okay so

2601
01:55:04,500 --> 01:55:06,500
The church down there

2602
01:55:06,500 --> 01:55:08,500
They took the garage down

2603
01:55:08,500 --> 01:55:10,500
Looks like they're building on the same footprint

2604
01:55:10,500 --> 01:55:12,500
Are they building a garage

2605
01:55:12,500 --> 01:55:14,500
But we don't know that

2606
01:55:14,500 --> 01:55:16,500
I'll look into that portion of it

2607
01:55:16,500 --> 01:55:18,500
But as far as

2608
01:55:18,500 --> 01:55:20,500
That's kind of

2609
01:55:20,500 --> 01:55:22,500
Past tense at this point

2610
01:55:22,500 --> 01:55:24,600
It's gone

2611
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:26,600
Is she even going to rebuild

2612
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:28,600
That little area

2613
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:30,600
I don't know

2614
01:55:30,600 --> 01:55:32,600
But the other thing is

2615
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:34,600
Technically is there one side

2616
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:37,329
Still standing

2617
01:55:37,329 --> 01:55:39,329
Does it say that in a bylaw

2618
01:55:39,329 --> 01:55:41,329
Well we've had

2619
01:55:41,329 --> 01:55:43,329
Houses in town taken down

2620
01:55:43,329 --> 01:55:45,329
But that one side is still standing

2621
01:55:45,329 --> 01:55:47,329
I can't find that

2622
01:55:47,329 --> 01:55:49,329
Anywhere

2623
01:55:49,329 --> 01:55:51,329
It just makes it a renovation

2624
01:55:51,329 --> 01:55:53,329
As opposed to a new structure

2625
01:55:53,329 --> 01:55:55,329
Then you don't need the new structure

2626
01:55:55,329 --> 01:55:57,329
If it burns down

2627
01:55:57,329 --> 01:55:59,329
You're not going to have a side stand

2628
01:55:59,329 --> 01:56:01,329
You don't have people that's going to

2629
01:56:01,329 --> 01:56:03,329
Change space

2630
01:56:03,329 --> 01:56:05,329
There is one side

2631
01:56:05,329 --> 01:56:07,329
It's the building

2632
01:56:07,329 --> 01:56:09,329
There is one side

2633
01:56:09,329 --> 01:56:11,329
There's still one side standing

2634
01:56:11,329 --> 01:56:13,329
We took three sides down

2635
01:56:13,329 --> 01:56:15,460
Where is that building built

2636
01:56:15,460 --> 01:56:17,460
The garage isn't even original

2637
01:56:17,460 --> 01:56:19,460
No that's probably

2638
01:56:19,460 --> 01:56:21,460
When the priest did

2639
01:56:21,460 --> 01:56:23,460
You can see the little addition on the back

2640
01:56:23,460 --> 01:56:25,460
Oh the garage was there

2641
01:56:25,460 --> 01:56:27,460
He built that little addition

2642
01:56:27,460 --> 01:56:29,460
On the back so he could

2643
01:56:29,460 --> 01:56:31,680
Put his car in there

2644
01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:33,680
No in the garage

2645
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:35,680
So he could fit his car in there

2646
01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:37,680
It was a general store

2647
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:39,680
What's a pad out back for

2648
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:41,680
That was the bingo hall

2649
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:43,680
In the church

2650
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:45,680
It was a meat locker

2651
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:47,680
In the back

2652
01:56:47,680 --> 01:56:49,680
Where you could just

2653
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:51,680
Put your money in

2654
01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:53,680
It was a general store

2655
01:56:53,680 --> 01:56:55,680
So it's a pretty old building

2656
01:56:55,680 --> 01:56:57,680
But the bingo

2657
01:56:57,680 --> 01:56:59,680
Oh there's the other thing

2658
01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:01,680
Bingo hall

2659
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:03,680
I just took that down

2660
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:05,680
I could wash the floor in there

2661
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:07,680
And the water would go right out

2662
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:09,680
Between the wall and the floor

2663
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:11,680
Just take a bucket of water

2664
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:13,720
When did that come down

2665
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:15,720
Not that long ago

2666
01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:17,720
30 years ago

2667
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:19,720
It wasn't that long ago

2668
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:21,720
I think it was

2669
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:23,720
Was it 30 years ago

2670
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:25,720
I don't remember

2671
01:57:25,720 --> 01:57:27,779
I think it was

2672
01:57:27,779 --> 01:57:30,229
About then

2673
01:57:30,229 --> 01:57:34,850
I won't say

2674
01:57:34,850 --> 01:57:37,359
So do you want me still to

2675
01:57:37,359 --> 01:57:39,750
I would say

2676
01:57:39,750 --> 01:57:42,359
I would say

2677
01:57:42,359 --> 01:57:44,359
Pass that buck

2678
01:57:44,359 --> 01:57:46,359
I passed the buck

2679
01:57:46,359 --> 01:57:48,359
Or just make a phone call

2680
01:57:48,359 --> 01:57:50,520
Or just help

2681
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:52,520
Salvation

2682
01:57:52,520 --> 01:57:54,520
It's not gonna be a local

2683
01:57:54,520 --> 01:57:56,520
I mean it's gonna be a state

2684
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:58,520
That would enforce it

2685
01:57:58,520 --> 01:58:00,520
But the question is

2686
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:09,000
and i i go back to the wilds and everybody else who has torn down something did we enforce that

2687
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:16,039
did we make them give us no no so what are we doing why are we sending this to luke now is it

2688
01:58:16,039 --> 01:58:21,239
because because they brought it up they took the garage down they took the garage down it's too

2689
01:58:21,239 --> 01:58:25,880
late well i don't think we need to do anything down there because it's gone done we didn't do

2690
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:34,050
anything with wild or right but maybe in the future in the future i i think it would we don't

2691
01:58:34,050 --> 01:58:39,090
have to right we don't have anywhere to do anything no we don't have a bylaw we don't have

2692
01:58:39,090 --> 01:58:45,680
anything that that she didn't violate anything maybe maybe her contractor did yeah maybe

2693
01:58:47,199 --> 01:58:55,680
and i mean it's like there's no permit needed no well so once we change our bylaws

2694
01:58:56,479 --> 01:59:02,239
right i really don't want to poke no i think that's not necessary

2695
01:59:04,239 --> 01:59:07,359
but should we do something for the future though yes i think

2696
01:59:10,479 --> 01:59:16,000
to have that in because i'm trying to just a couple of years ago it was something else

2697
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:21,039
and i can't think of what it is but it had to do with taking you down or something

2698
01:59:22,399 --> 01:59:24,560
well that helps on your own road now

2699
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:26,399
that's very

2700
01:59:26,479 --> 01:59:35,489
near water so that's not about that carefully is there still an owner paying taxes on that

2701
01:59:36,050 --> 01:59:39,649
well he's in jail he's in jail he's in jail for arson yeah

2702
01:59:41,970 --> 01:59:49,649
really yeah yeah so and the mortgage company is one of these online mortgage companies so this is

2703
01:59:49,649 --> 01:59:56,289
going to be years this blight is going to be there for years so we need a health officer to

2704
01:59:56,289 --> 02:00:03,329
uh call the state yes and creative and just keep adding on and kept it keep adding on to where the

2705
02:00:03,329 --> 02:00:10,069
town now has land suit you know you may end up having to spend a little money to do it but

2706
02:00:10,789 --> 02:00:17,510
it's just we're going to pay for it or i can keep bugging the bank and saying it's your

2707
02:00:17,510 --> 02:00:24,630
responsibility to take this money you can't get anything true forever is more likely to take it

2708
02:00:24,630 --> 02:00:25,510
before anything happens

2709
02:00:28,310 --> 02:00:32,229
yeah i don't think there's anything they have to do in the garage

2710
02:00:33,909 --> 02:00:41,430
that's my opinion and indoor work if we want to remodel we have nothing in our bylaws to stop

2711
02:00:41,989 --> 02:00:46,789
us from remodeling our house and that comes during assessment and you're allowed to go

2712
02:00:46,789 --> 02:00:52,600
if you allow to go into a house who are you going to expect it all what's that she's going to come

2713
02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:56,840
and inspect the house that you're going to go out it's not going to be anyone didn't they didn't they they don't want to go out

2714
02:00:56,840 --> 02:00:58,199
didn't they didn't they say they don't want to go out if they can go in the house they can go in the house if you're going to go out is that what they're going to expect

2715
02:00:58,439 --> 02:01:03,239
need a permit because if we're taking asbestos out of the house the all state stuff the state's not

2716
02:01:03,239 --> 02:01:10,199
going to i mean they're going to come out of stanford every week and say oh yes yeah i don't

2717
02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:15,800
a lot of the sentiments sometimes i think kicks around is this that we just don't want anything

2718
02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:22,039
to improve we don't want any you know stuff to be around that's some of the sentiment i get every

2719
02:01:22,039 --> 02:01:27,319
time something pops up whether it's a bake shop choppy shop ice cream shop there's always this

2720
02:01:27,319 --> 02:01:34,680
sentiment that's just like no it's just like our signs i mean they brought it up to our attention

2721
02:01:34,680 --> 02:01:41,720
that's a violation of our bylaws oh no we didn't have the permit right right we didn't have the

2722
02:01:41,720 --> 02:01:48,930
permit so we took that down and a lot of us we should have just left us left to sign up with

2723
02:01:48,930 --> 02:01:53,890
the statement i'll take it down if you want to take it down there's the sign here it is

2724
02:01:54,689 --> 02:01:57,970
come and get it hang the two plaques there are three plaques on there

2725
02:01:58,050 --> 02:02:02,369
and it's about two years on the sign or more but is it that

2726
02:02:05,989 --> 02:02:10,630
we should have never been able to take it down again we gotta stop trying to put up so many

2727
02:02:10,630 --> 02:02:15,350
robots if somebody wants to run a pizza joint or sell ice cream or have a coffee shop or something

2728
02:02:15,350 --> 02:02:21,029
like that if it's if it's if it's something that's suitable for the town why do we always try to stop

2729
02:02:21,029 --> 02:02:27,430
it i mean everyone in the room likes ice cream yeah yeah if it's but if it's against our bylaws

2730
02:02:27,430 --> 02:02:28,710
then we've got to right

2731
02:02:29,350 --> 02:02:35,350
right yeah there isn't right we should but it's not we have to start looking at the changing the

2732
02:02:35,350 --> 02:02:43,010
bylaws and making ordinances and stuff not to to take it out of somebody's hand it's to help people

2733
02:02:43,010 --> 02:02:49,170
right so that's what we need to do is we need to help each other even if it's making a little bit

2734
02:02:49,170 --> 02:02:53,649
of money and stuff but you know well it's something for the common good right it's a blog

2735
02:02:55,329 --> 02:02:57,970
if aaron and them guys are down there selling ice cream

2736
02:02:59,270 --> 02:03:04,899
to say five or six other ice cream trucks come into town and just park on the side of the road

2737
02:03:04,899 --> 02:03:13,539
it's perfectly legal or they can park they can park there yeah it's perfectly legal for them to

2738
02:03:13,539 --> 02:03:19,939
do it right now under our burden now in life ordinances they have nothing but if they want

2739
02:03:19,939 --> 02:03:26,600
to do it then they're going to have to pay a 150 seasonal fee from so on and so on over a hundred

2740
02:03:27,720 --> 02:03:29,000
out we don't have any

2741
02:03:31,319 --> 02:03:37,640
of them

2742
02:03:47,220 --> 02:03:47,699
of

2743
02:03:57,890 --> 02:04:02,850
a constable i'm not talking about a police officer i'm talking about a real live vermont

2744
02:04:03,010 --> 02:04:06,170
And years ago, that was a police officer.

2745
02:04:06,170 --> 02:04:08,289
But now they have an administrative one

2746
02:04:08,289 --> 02:04:10,609
that serves paperwork.

2747
02:04:10,609 --> 02:04:12,229
In our county, Arizona.

2748
02:04:12,229 --> 02:04:12,729
Right.

2749
02:04:12,729 --> 02:04:16,630
And so a constable is nothing more than a service.

2750
02:04:16,630 --> 02:04:20,250
Like down in Massachusetts, they have a service warrant.

2751
02:04:20,250 --> 02:04:26,489
Not service warrants, but notices, court appearances,

2752
02:04:26,489 --> 02:04:28,529
court, all that stuff.

2753
02:04:28,529 --> 02:04:32,010
I even wonder, technically, I mean, I wouldn't want to do it.

2754
02:04:32,010 --> 02:04:36,069
But aren't we authorized to issue, like, well, for example,

2755
02:04:36,069 --> 02:04:40,090
Luke can write up a ticket to somebody.

2756
02:04:40,090 --> 02:04:43,630
Technically, we could write speeding tickets.

2757
02:04:43,630 --> 02:04:47,789
Because speeding tickets are not a.

2758
02:04:47,789 --> 02:04:49,289
We have that warrant for it, though.

2759
02:04:49,289 --> 02:04:52,010
If it's on our road, not on the main road.

2760
02:04:52,010 --> 02:04:52,510
Oh, yeah.

2761
02:04:52,510 --> 02:04:53,010
Yeah.

2762
02:04:53,010 --> 02:04:54,630
I'm just throwing that out there.

2763
02:04:54,630 --> 02:04:56,670
I'm not suggesting we do that.

2764
02:04:56,670 --> 02:04:59,510
I don't want to be the one to go out and start making car stuff.

2765
02:04:59,510 --> 02:05:00,010
No.

2766
02:05:00,010 --> 02:05:00,510
I get it.

2767
02:05:00,510 --> 02:05:01,010
No.

2768
02:05:01,010 --> 02:05:02,010
I'm just saying that.

2769
02:05:02,010 --> 02:05:04,109
The board can appoint.

2770
02:05:04,109 --> 02:05:05,510
I think it's an appointment.

2771
02:05:05,510 --> 02:05:06,649
It doesn't have to be elected.

2772
02:05:06,649 --> 02:05:08,189
But I think it's an appointment.

2773
02:05:08,189 --> 02:05:09,729
You can't appoint a court-elect.

2774
02:05:09,729 --> 02:05:11,829
But a town council.

2775
02:05:11,829 --> 02:05:12,569
To serve people.

2776
02:05:12,569 --> 02:05:14,000
To serve people.

2777
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:16,600
I think that would be wonderful.

2778
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:18,560
And that's, you know, they do ordinances.

2779
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:19,699
They do.

2780
02:05:19,699 --> 02:05:23,239
Once the years, as time progresses here,

2781
02:05:23,239 --> 02:05:26,340
we're going to need to implement more ordinances, too.

2782
02:05:26,340 --> 02:05:28,520
The hard thing is to enforce them.

2783
02:05:28,520 --> 02:05:29,739
Exactly.

2784
02:05:29,739 --> 02:05:31,880
So you have ordinances now that you can't enforce.

2785
02:05:31,880 --> 02:05:32,239
Right.

2786
02:05:32,239 --> 02:05:35,359
I know all of you guys are authorized to do it.

2787
02:05:35,359 --> 02:05:39,199
I know I was authorized at the right site basis for land and stuff.

2788
02:05:39,199 --> 02:05:42,760
But.

2789
02:05:42,760 --> 02:05:46,000
So we addressed what Dave's concerned.

2790
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:49,390
So move on.

2791
02:05:49,390 --> 02:05:50,649
Work on that.

2792
02:05:50,649 --> 02:05:51,390
Yeah.

2793
02:05:51,390 --> 02:05:52,430
Absolutely.

2794
02:05:52,430 --> 02:05:53,430
Thank you for that.

2795
02:05:53,430 --> 02:05:56,029
Sorry that .

2796
02:05:56,029 --> 02:06:00,899
Anything else under new business?

2797
02:06:00,899 --> 02:06:05,119
So I made the motion to go into executive session,

2798
02:06:05,119 --> 02:06:05,939
regarding pending.

2799
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:11,500
Or probable civil litigation or a prosecution to which the public

2800
02:06:11,500 --> 02:06:14,640
body is or may not be a party.

2801
02:06:14,640 --> 02:06:15,140
Sorry.

2802
02:06:15,140 --> 02:06:16,600
Did he say party?

2803
02:06:16,600 --> 02:06:17,100
Party.

2804
02:06:17,100 --> 02:06:19,600
Party?

2805
02:06:19,600 --> 02:06:20,600
With the food truck.

2806
02:06:20,600 --> 02:06:21,100
Yeah.

2807
02:06:21,100 --> 02:06:21,600
Fine.

2808
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:26,829
So we .