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Pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

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Continue to acknowledge the religious stance of one nation, under God,

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invisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Let's call the meeting to order.

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Welcome to a meeting of the Stanford Select Board.

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If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda,

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you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address.

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You will notice that all our meetings are recorded, and

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this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes.

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Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and

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15 minutes per topic.

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Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others.

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Select board members present are- Mike Dinnall.

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Nancy Besheka.

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Doug Wright.

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John Dunn.

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Kurt DeMar.

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Will there be any adding of items?

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Or removing items from tonight's agenda?

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Yeah, I think we've got to review the dog guidelines too.

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Yeah.

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Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, such as changing the order of items?

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I don't think so.

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Pete is recording tonight's meeting.

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This is for Jeb's YouTube.

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Okay.

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So we've got a lot on the agenda tonight, a lot to discuss and talk about.

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But first, we'll be hearing of visitors.

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Tammy. Yes.

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Tammy Elias.

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Suzanne Drive.

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And in case you aren't aware, Sportsman Road overflowed again Sunday night,

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wrecking the road all the way down to my house.

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I really wouldn't care so much if the road got washed away, if every single piece of

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dirt, mud, pebble, rock didn't all make it in our yard.

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So I paid $4,500 to the town of Stanford for taxes.

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I paid $2,000 a year to Albemarle.

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We talked about this last July 4th when it flooded.

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We need to find some sort of solution instead of just, like, Tammy and Tom put the bill,

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probably clean up the after now too.

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Might have to mess.

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It is totally a mess.

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Both of our driveways have to be all sure-capped again.

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There's much mud.

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And the mud came up to the basement.

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Oh, what's your name?

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Tom.

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Oh, Tom.

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Okay.

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The mud came up to the basement into our well.

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So I am concerned about a drink of water now.

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Mm-hm.

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The mud is packed up against the foundation, and the water came into our basement.

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So it was running down Suzanne Drive from?

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From the top of Sportsville.

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So when you look at Sports, uh, Suzanne, there's culverts all the way down the right side of

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the road.

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But where the water goes is all the way down the left side of the road.

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So we need to put in culverts.

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On Suzanne Drive?

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Yes.

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Next meeting will be.

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Next meeting will be more affluent people here to discuss what a solution can be.

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I know you both just kind of blame it on the other, but this needs to be some sort of 50-50

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split of whatever this repair is going to be.

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Where are we going?

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Through a survey?

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Yeah, I had, um.

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Yeah, pick a place for that.

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I had John, uh, Josh Carball come up to me and actually wrote, sent this email to the

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town.

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And they never actually came up with the size of anything yet.

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It's actually a really big project.

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It's not just changing a culvert at the intersection.

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It's to realign some of the brook.

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It's a possible 50 per minute.

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It's, you know.

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This isn't potentially going to the Murphy property, too, because he was here worried

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about his son's property at one point.

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Yeah, it's across the brook.

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They really want to realign the brook where it used to go before.

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Is this the brook, Dave, that's coming down?

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I guess this is the only day that's coming down from the mountain.

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It's coming out of, I would guess it's the Murphy property, or.

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There's a bunch of water there.

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Yeah, I've seen it come down from the mountain, and there's a ditch, too.

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Changing a culvert at that intersection doesn't guarantee anything, because if you're not

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there when all the sticks and everything run out of the woods and those types of events.

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It's not even getting to the outside of the road, is it?

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The right side never gets to the right side of the road.

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It's not, where that culvert is.

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It's not even getting to that road.

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Yeah, it's just kind of floods over the road there and viys down the next哦

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there and goes down the like you see the left side the ditch line of suzanne drive it kind of

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just a lot of spam you know fans out runs down through there and i mean the structure hasn't

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failed it's unfortunately seems to be happening more often than it did there's no really easy

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solution to it because nothing has changed it was real quick and easy i was just a study has to be

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done yeah it's pretty easy to be doing it works why can't we just change that culvert for now

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because that's up to the state of the water waterway agency of natural resources we control

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that we don't have any jurisdiction because anything that's going to be um 36 inch or

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above they decide what goes on and in this case they're talking about realigning the brook he

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doesn't even want to come down do anything there he wants to go up the road and put a new culvert

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crossing in the middle of the road and put a new culvert crossing in the middle of the road and

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put a new culvert crossing in the middle of the road and put a new culvert crossing in the middle

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and come down through it might actually be your property probably we're going to go more of an

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angle it's almost a 90 degree turn didn't we see years ago and then you're going to have to put a

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crossing in on suzanne drive and it's going to be a pretty substantial cost so you know this isn't

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just uh you know elastic culvers for every year every year and a half who pays for our maintenance

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i don't know on your row this would be alcohol and they say well it's stanford's water but it's

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not i mean it's very in a way the water the water is universal yeah right that's like water water

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we're not correcting it in that way it's just an act of god and we have a flood

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dave didn't we see something that they have to go through a field or something on an angle

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yeah i think that drawing okay they want to realign and have it yeah

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because it's so it's a 90 degree turn yeah right turns from so what happens is that culvert on

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suzanne i'm sorry that culvert on sportsman's road seems like it's not deep enough well it

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just doesn't handle the flow i mean in these extreme events it's yeah i don't know about

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extreme at least a foot of snow and then probably had an inch of rain in a matter of hours it seemed

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like that's how it works

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notoriously undersized yeah so now we have a study this is i know it's frustrating we did

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this on lincoln road it took you know like four years four years thousand ten fifties

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yeah we spent yeah with the grant you know so it's a big issue

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so if we do put that culvert in higher up on sportsman's road what's to

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what's going to handle the water coming down from the mountain into the current culvert that's there

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isn't there a little stream i say tricolored but it's quite a it's quite a stream there

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but you're you're talking about brook is over for them yeah that's basically a brook

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so this study that they they're doing when will we hear about this i don't know i mean

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we put a fire under this kind of like yeah it's like everything else you know the more

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You get out in the morning, you might come up with something, but then you've got to fund it.

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And it's going to be equally as expensive to Elton Wall, and this is the town.

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I mean, if I said you had to put $50,000 in, do you think Elton Wall would even entertain that?

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They say they spend most of their road budgets fixing Suzanne Drive.

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I doubt $50,000.

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Well, if they did, and if they helped fix it, then that would go down.

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That's kind of an incentive.

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And that's the same problem, because you put all the water, you come down through there,

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a big stick could have jammed with a bunch of leaves in the wall,

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and now instead of dealing with a little bit of water, because some of the water goes down the right track,

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you might have all of that.

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Because they've seen that plenty, too.

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The game and I are going to tell you, it's not 100% foolproof.

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It's not necessarily going to work.

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The big thing is, again, the state's going to come down.

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They do the study.

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They tell us what can be done.

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Not necessarily the right thing to be done, but what can be done.

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Then we have to get bids.

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So I have no problem with us putting fire under them, because I agree, the state likes to kick the can a lot.

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So if we can at least see where we're at, I agree.

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If we can go to Apple Wall and say, okay, here's our numbers, what do you want to do?

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Then we'll go from there.

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We'll at least get to that point.

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Is there anything we can do temporarily?

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Can we fix it with hay bales, silt fences?

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This is one of those things that doesn't happen.

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I mean, the whole time I've been here, 16 years, this is probably the fourth time I saw it.

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It's just the second time within a year.

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Four times 5,000.

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That's what I spent.

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Every time.

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It cost you 5,000 dollars?

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Every time.

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With a collar on your driveway?

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Or is there something else?

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Wait.

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Is there something there?

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No, just to clean up.

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No, but I mean the water flowing.

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Because the water is just going down the ditch on the left-hand side.

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Where does that ditch line go?

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I guess I've never been down there.

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It goes all the way up to my property.

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Whether sportsman Suzanne Drive got tipped, graded.

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That's why.

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Yeah, I'm just curious.

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If it's running down the ditch line, where does it go down the ditch line?

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Because it just should stay there.

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Was Suzanne a dead end down there?

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Yes.

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So if this, you're looking.

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If it's going down, you're saying it's going on the left-hand.

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I've been up at the top.

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I've never been all the way down.

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But if this water's coming down, what Dave's saying is that going all the way past the dead end?

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Of course not.

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It must be going across.

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Most of it lands in our second driveway, close to our house.

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And you're on the left or right?

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We're on the left.

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You're on the left.

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So is there something, is there a ditch that could keep going down to the dead end?

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Well, I need to make one.

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You know, like John said.

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We'll keep going to water from our first ditch.

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First driveway, do you want to fill in the property with a ditch?

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Like a temporary.

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Yeah, if Alvin Wall put a ditch deeper on your side.

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Let's just say he can't dig a ditch on it.

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Well, I don't know how Alvin Wall is, but dig a ditch in your own property and say,

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there's a water going for, like an emergency type situation.

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It's not jumping onto your.

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I know when we went through all the flood stuff, there's a difference between an emergency fix

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and then a, well, we'll find out.

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We'll fix it down the road.

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I mean, I would just ditch it.

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If the, okay, say we go through with this, say we go through with this project, put the

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culvert through the field and down, and it's going to cross lower on Suzanne drive.

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Where's that culvert going to empty into?

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Somebody's backyard or where does it go now?

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No, it's going to go where the water goes now, but it could plug too.

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This is what I'm saying.

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It's not.

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It's not a cure-all.

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No, no, no.

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We're saying.

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They could still plug that culvert that crosses Suzanne drive lower where they, where he kind

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of had drawn it up, could potentially plug and make it end up with more water.

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00:12:46,509 --> 00:12:47,409
That's what I see happening.

247
00:12:47,409 --> 00:12:50,049
If it does plug, they're going to end up with more water.

248
00:12:50,820 --> 00:12:52,299
With that, with that plant?

249
00:12:52,299 --> 00:12:52,980
With this design.

250
00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:53,620
Yeah.

251
00:12:53,620 --> 00:12:56,299
They could potentially end up with more water if that culvert.

252
00:12:56,299 --> 00:13:00,000
Do you have any influence on telling them that the plant could be worse?

253
00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:02,460
This is the way they work.

254
00:13:02,460 --> 00:13:03,539
They want to go about it.

255
00:13:03,539 --> 00:13:05,700
That part of it isn't really their concern.

256
00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:07,220
It shouldn't happen, but it will.

257
00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:07,620
Yeah.

258
00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:07,919
Yeah.

259
00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:08,360
Yeah.

260
00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,120
And this is what happens in every flood.

261
00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:18,340
The stuff runs out of the woods, the sticks, the leaves, you know, all of a sudden you've got little rivers where there isn't rivers, you know, everything overflows.

262
00:13:18,340 --> 00:13:32,299
It grabs everything from the woods, comes down, close the culverts and unless you're standing right there, and even if you were, you might not be able to stop it, it happens so fast, you know, and we had, there was a culvert down the road by the cost.

263
00:13:32,299 --> 00:13:36,620
We had a 15 property that couldn't handle the flow and I had to fix that.

264
00:13:36,620 --> 00:13:41,620
Oh yeah, this is not, this is not the only part, place in town that there's problems like that.

265
00:13:41,620 --> 00:13:42,620
Right, exactly.

266
00:13:42,620 --> 00:13:43,620
We've been through this.

267
00:13:43,620 --> 00:13:51,620
So we just, you know, what we do is it's cheaper just to throw a couple yards of material in the hole and, you know, next time we do the same thing.

268
00:13:51,620 --> 00:13:52,120
Yeah.

269
00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,379
You know, it's just unfortunate that it's yards getting, you know, destroyed.

270
00:13:56,379 --> 00:14:01,559
I would be perfectly content if you guys didn't want to spend all that money doing that when this does happen and I submit a $1,000 bill for fixing it.

271
00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:02,059
Yeah.

272
00:14:02,059 --> 00:14:02,559
Yeah.

273
00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:08,559
Fixing my driveways, if you went out the wall and splitted it, and I don't have to pay this every time it floods, I'd be fine.

274
00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:09,059
No, that's...

275
00:14:09,059 --> 00:14:11,059
I can't pay this over and over again.

276
00:14:11,059 --> 00:14:14,059
So we'll get a barter to come out and surefire both driveways.

277
00:14:14,059 --> 00:14:14,970
No.

278
00:14:14,970 --> 00:14:17,470
And excavate all the mud.

279
00:14:17,470 --> 00:14:17,970
Right.

280
00:14:17,970 --> 00:14:18,470
Mm-hmm.

281
00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:24,549
I would suggest just running the ditch line and, do you have culverts now under your driveways or no?

282
00:14:24,549 --> 00:14:25,049
No.

283
00:14:25,049 --> 00:14:25,549
No.

284
00:14:25,549 --> 00:14:27,549
So there probably should be.

285
00:14:27,549 --> 00:14:29,549
I mean, bark is put in a culvert at least in the driveway.

286
00:14:29,549 --> 00:14:30,049
Yeah, all the time.

287
00:14:30,049 --> 00:14:31,549
It doesn't get a freaking drop of rain.

288
00:14:31,549 --> 00:14:32,049
No.

289
00:14:32,049 --> 00:14:33,049
It does nothing.

290
00:14:33,049 --> 00:14:34,049
Why is it there?

291
00:14:34,049 --> 00:14:34,549
Where was that?

292
00:14:34,549 --> 00:14:35,549
On our side.

293
00:14:35,549 --> 00:14:36,049
Oh, all the time.

294
00:14:36,049 --> 00:14:37,049
Lisa's driveway.

295
00:14:37,049 --> 00:14:37,549
Oh, okay.

296
00:14:37,549 --> 00:14:39,049
She lives right across the street from St. Jeff.

297
00:14:39,049 --> 00:14:40,110
Yeah.

298
00:14:40,110 --> 00:14:43,110
They put a big culvert there and nothing ever goes in if there's no water.

299
00:14:43,110 --> 00:14:46,110
Because the top culvert should have taken it over.

300
00:14:46,110 --> 00:14:48,110
Yeah, it goes down on the right-hand side.

301
00:14:48,110 --> 00:14:52,110
The water goes through the culvert down on the right-hand side and there on the left.

302
00:14:52,110 --> 00:14:52,610
Yeah, yeah.

303
00:14:52,610 --> 00:14:54,610
So it should be going over more on that side.

304
00:14:54,610 --> 00:14:57,610
You know, water does go to the right side, but some's going down the left side.

305
00:14:57,610 --> 00:14:59,110
There is a ditch line there.

306
00:14:59,110 --> 00:14:59,610
Yeah.

307
00:14:59,610 --> 00:15:00,610
But apparently it just...

308
00:15:00,610 --> 00:15:01,610
Doesn't go there.

309
00:15:01,610 --> 00:15:02,610
So we didn't call that a ditch line.

310
00:15:02,610 --> 00:15:03,610
A ditch line.

311
00:15:03,610 --> 00:15:04,110
Yeah.

312
00:15:04,110 --> 00:15:07,110
It just deadheads and unfortunately runs on another property.

313
00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:07,610
So you said...

314
00:15:07,610 --> 00:15:08,610
But that's kind of...

315
00:15:08,610 --> 00:15:15,409
It could alleviate that with, you know, continuing to ditch down through and...

316
00:15:15,409 --> 00:15:16,409
Well, I mean, I don't know.

317
00:15:16,409 --> 00:15:17,409
I haven't been down there.

318
00:15:17,409 --> 00:15:21,409
What does that one lot do when they come out and repair a section of the road?

319
00:15:21,409 --> 00:15:22,409
What do they do?

320
00:15:22,409 --> 00:15:25,409
Like this afternoon, they brought five or six loads of gravel and whatnot.

321
00:15:25,409 --> 00:15:26,409
They don't ditch it?

322
00:15:26,409 --> 00:15:28,409
They don't ditch the road?

323
00:15:28,409 --> 00:15:29,539
Nope.

324
00:15:29,539 --> 00:15:30,539
They just pull it all up.

325
00:15:30,539 --> 00:15:31,039
Nope.

326
00:15:31,039 --> 00:15:33,539
And then they just point fingers at the top of the road and say,

327
00:15:33,539 --> 00:15:34,539
Yeah, all right.

328
00:15:34,539 --> 00:15:35,539
Yeah.

329
00:15:35,539 --> 00:15:36,539
Hmm.

330
00:15:36,539 --> 00:15:39,539
So you said more Alpenwald people will be here next meeting?

331
00:15:39,539 --> 00:15:40,539
Yes.

332
00:15:40,539 --> 00:15:43,990
The question is, can you do anything to fix it?

333
00:15:43,990 --> 00:15:44,990
Not at this point.

334
00:15:44,990 --> 00:15:45,990
Right.

335
00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:46,990
If I'm not mistaken, we went through this...

336
00:15:46,990 --> 00:15:47,990
So now we have to say, okay, we...

337
00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:48,990
What's that?

338
00:15:48,990 --> 00:15:51,990
We went through the same thing this time last year as well.

339
00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:53,990
It was in mid-summer, I think.

340
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:54,990
Right.

341
00:15:54,990 --> 00:15:55,990
July 4th.

342
00:15:55,990 --> 00:15:57,019
Yeah.

343
00:15:57,019 --> 00:15:59,019
So the question is now is we have to...

344
00:15:59,019 --> 00:16:00,210
Follow up with...

345
00:16:00,210 --> 00:16:01,210
Go back to the state.

346
00:16:01,210 --> 00:16:02,210
Yeah.

347
00:16:02,210 --> 00:16:03,210
Play the game.

348
00:16:03,210 --> 00:16:04,210
Yeah.

349
00:16:04,210 --> 00:16:09,210
I mean, he said right here, he still, he didn't see anything from the hydraulic study.

350
00:16:09,210 --> 00:16:13,659
This stuff is really out of the hands of the town, unfortunately.

351
00:16:13,659 --> 00:16:14,659
It's not like years ago.

352
00:16:14,659 --> 00:16:18,659
If they decide what goes on, then we have to comply.

353
00:16:18,659 --> 00:16:19,659
And it's not...

354
00:16:19,659 --> 00:16:22,659
It's definitely not going to be cheap.

355
00:16:22,659 --> 00:16:27,399
The rest of all, they're inventorying like every culvert in the state.

356
00:16:27,399 --> 00:16:28,399
Well...

357
00:16:28,399 --> 00:16:31,399
How many culverts you have in town, you said last time?

358
00:16:31,399 --> 00:16:32,399
There's 300.

359
00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:34,399
300, and we need to fix many more.

360
00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:38,399
I mean, I've gone probably 80 since I've been here.

361
00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:39,399
Yeah.

362
00:16:39,399 --> 00:16:42,399
Most culverts fail now just because of the size of them.

363
00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:43,399
Yeah.

364
00:16:43,399 --> 00:16:44,399
Yeah.

365
00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:45,399
A lot of undersized culverts.

366
00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:46,399
I mean, we have some major ones.

367
00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:47,970
I put in for a Grand East Road for one that's, you know, a quarter of a million.

368
00:16:47,970 --> 00:16:48,970
That's, you know...

369
00:16:48,970 --> 00:16:49,970
You'd probably be surprised in the size of the one they'd want to put in.

370
00:16:49,970 --> 00:16:50,970
Yeah.

371
00:16:50,970 --> 00:16:51,970
Well, that's what I'm saying.

372
00:16:51,970 --> 00:16:52,970
If it was 50,000, they probably wouldn't want to go for that.

373
00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:53,970
Of course.

374
00:16:53,970 --> 00:16:55,289
It might go for anywhere in front of them.

375
00:16:55,289 --> 00:16:56,289
Right.

376
00:16:56,289 --> 00:16:57,289
Yeah.

377
00:16:57,289 --> 00:16:58,289
Yeah.

378
00:16:58,289 --> 00:16:59,289
Yeah.

379
00:16:59,289 --> 00:17:00,289
Yeah.

380
00:17:00,289 --> 00:17:01,289
Yeah.

381
00:17:01,289 --> 00:17:02,289
Yeah.

382
00:17:02,289 --> 00:17:03,289
Yeah.

383
00:17:03,289 --> 00:17:04,289
Yeah.

384
00:17:04,289 --> 00:17:05,289
50,000.

385
00:17:05,289 --> 00:17:06,289
50,000.

386
00:17:06,289 --> 00:17:07,289
Yeah.

387
00:17:07,289 --> 00:17:08,289
That whole job could be half a million dollars.

388
00:17:08,289 --> 00:17:09,289
Yeah.

389
00:17:09,289 --> 00:17:10,289
Especially when you get it realigned, building a brook down through some property.

390
00:17:10,289 --> 00:17:11,289
Yeah.

391
00:17:11,289 --> 00:17:12,289
Welcome to the future of a bunch of dirt roads.

392
00:17:12,289 --> 00:17:13,289
Yeah.

393
00:17:13,289 --> 00:17:14,289
So, what we're going to...

394
00:17:14,289 --> 00:17:15,289
Well...

395
00:17:15,289 --> 00:17:16,289
What we can do is follow up on the state.

396
00:17:16,289 --> 00:17:17,289
See if we can get an answer for next meeting.

397
00:17:17,289 --> 00:17:18,289
Yeah.

398
00:17:18,289 --> 00:17:20,000
All right.

399
00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,000
Let's see what's going to happen.

400
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,000
I'm certainly not going to have the right figures...

401
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,000
No.

402
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,000
No.

403
00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000
...put in for some kind of project by the next meeting.

404
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000
No.

405
00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,000
No.

406
00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,000
No.

407
00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,240
No.

408
00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,240
No.

409
00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,240
No.

410
00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,240
No.

411
00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,240
No.

412
00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,240
No.

413
00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:36,240
No.

414
00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,240
No.

415
00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,240
No.

416
00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,240
I'm lucky to have your apologize for any Anti!

417
00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:40,240
No.

418
00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,240
No.

419
00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,240
Josh is really good.

420
00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:43,240
What just happens is that, you know, his hands are tied too.

421
00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,240
He has to follow...

422
00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,500
Yeah.

423
00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:46,500
He's a big territory.

424
00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:47,500
He's really good.

425
00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:48,500
He is.

426
00:17:48,500 --> 00:17:49,500
Yeah, he is.

427
00:17:49,500 --> 00:17:56,589
I followed him for two time over there.

428
00:17:56,589 --> 00:17:57,589
Thank you.

429
00:17:57,589 --> 00:18:00,410
Maybe we'll have a bit of an answer for next week.

430
00:18:00,410 --> 00:18:02,809
Okay, thank you for listening.

431
00:18:02,809 --> 00:18:05,250
Jhon, you had a question...

432
00:18:05,250 --> 00:18:06,250
Something?

433
00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:07,250
Yeah.

434
00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:12,569
paperwork I need to fill out for the gravel pit and basically it comes down to I would

435
00:18:12,569 --> 00:18:22,369
just like some support from the selectmen for the gravel pit when I send all this paperwork

436
00:18:22,369 --> 00:18:24,440
back to them.

437
00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,980
I guess I, what's the paperwork?

438
00:18:28,980 --> 00:18:29,980
Is it F-250?

439
00:18:29,980 --> 00:18:32,980
No, it's like a review.

440
00:18:32,980 --> 00:18:36,619
Are they asking something from the town?

441
00:18:36,619 --> 00:18:48,039
No, nothing from the town, I just, it's just me saying that, you know, that, yeah, kind

442
00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:58,359
of, I supply gravel to them, I try to help them out in emergencies, and just, yeah, he's

443
00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,819
an asset to our town, we have no complaints about what he's up to.

444
00:19:02,819 --> 00:19:05,059
That's all, that's all, yeah, that's all.

445
00:19:05,059 --> 00:19:06,799
Because we can't, I don't think we can reach out to them.

446
00:19:06,799 --> 00:19:18,309
No, I don't want that, no, I didn't, no, you don't have to, no, I don't want that, no, I, I, just, just, something, something.

447
00:19:18,309 --> 00:19:23,309
What are they asking, what is the state asking of you that, that we need to?

448
00:19:23,309 --> 00:19:36,440
The state's, the state, nothing that you need to do, basically, it, it, it's like a review of the, of the pit is what they're doing, and I just thought that if I, yeah.

449
00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:43,980
A good word is always a good thing, I guess is all I can say, it's, it's, it's that simple, you know, I'll fill it out, and, I mean.

450
00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:49,079
Yeah, I would say that, you know, the nation, that explains the value of the, you know, the value of the town.

451
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,759
Yep, the value of the whole town, because we can't just.

452
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:52,640
Yeah, absolutely.

453
00:19:52,819 --> 00:19:53,480
Well, that's right.

454
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,240
We haven't had any issues with it, you know, no complaints.

455
00:19:56,759 --> 00:20:00,279
Almost as much of a public service, I mean, I don't think people realize that.

456
00:20:00,380 --> 00:20:00,660
Yeah.

457
00:20:00,660 --> 00:20:02,460
When we have an issue, I call John.

458
00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:02,920
Oh, I know.

459
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,720
John drops everything that's worth the orders of the town.

460
00:20:06,059 --> 00:20:06,339
Maybe.

461
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,160
Maybe we can answer the.

462
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,900
There are roads in a nutshell there, and so.

463
00:20:09,519 --> 00:20:14,619
Maybe we can answer the same questions that were asked of the Act 250, one on the previous.

464
00:20:14,619 --> 00:20:18,059
You know, you talk about the state, with the water, and all the problems.

465
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,680
If you go all the way up Main Road, just, just Main Road, and you, you go up through here,

466
00:20:22,779 --> 00:20:27,859
and you look at the drainage ditches, I guess you would call them, does none of them have

467
00:20:27,859 --> 00:20:28,420
been cleaned out?

468
00:20:28,420 --> 00:20:30,180
No, the state has neglected.

469
00:20:30,420 --> 00:20:33,680
From the line all the way up through, I mean, you look at.

470
00:20:33,819 --> 00:20:34,259
Oh, I know.

471
00:20:34,259 --> 00:20:36,119
Between Dart, Alex.

472
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,539
From the flooding here in the, in the Valley, Florida.

473
00:20:38,539 --> 00:20:38,839
Tegin.

474
00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:41,940
I mean, the water is bad enough, because it's not even drained.

475
00:20:42,220 --> 00:20:42,859
The runoff.

476
00:20:43,299 --> 00:20:43,980
It's horrible.

477
00:20:44,319 --> 00:20:45,880
You know, he's having problems on Lincoln Road.

478
00:20:46,099 --> 00:20:48,019
They're not taking care of their stuff.

479
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,480
You go all the way up this road.

480
00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:50,259
Oh, it's the truth.

481
00:20:50,259 --> 00:20:52,539
We were saying, by Sportsman's Road, the water's.

482
00:20:52,980 --> 00:20:53,579
You look at the.

483
00:20:53,579 --> 00:20:54,359
Watch the road right out.

484
00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:55,140
They're, they're.

485
00:20:55,380 --> 00:20:57,140
The water's backed up halfway.

486
00:20:57,539 --> 00:20:58,279
I mean, they need to be dug out.

487
00:20:58,279 --> 00:21:00,180
We have a ditch right here that needs to be dug out.

488
00:21:00,180 --> 00:21:03,240
Yeah, I saw that in the 60s and never touched it.

489
00:21:03,339 --> 00:21:03,519
Right.

490
00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:04,460
Pretty much.

491
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:05,900
So, you know, they talk about.

492
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:06,420
Sir.

493
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,819
Their rules of us not fixing things, and they're not fixing it, you know.

494
00:21:11,099 --> 00:21:12,519
And it's almost like this.

495
00:21:13,259 --> 00:21:16,200
You want to just say to our townspeople, do it.

496
00:21:16,819 --> 00:21:17,900
Fix it, like you just said.

497
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,160
Put a ditch in there.

498
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,279
Yeah, like up there.

499
00:21:20,299 --> 00:21:22,200
Don't call the state ditch on the side of the road.

500
00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:23,900
Talk to your neighbors.

501
00:21:24,180 --> 00:21:24,859
Don't call anybody.

502
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,420
Don't ask no questions, and I won't tell you no lies.

503
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:27,680
Right.

504
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:28,779
Talk to your neighbors.

505
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:29,380
Get it done.

506
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,000
Sometimes when you're on the public road, though, you don't have that.

507
00:21:32,099 --> 00:21:32,920
No, that's true.

508
00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:33,819
It's like security.

509
00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:34,640
Right.

510
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,220
It's a shame that neighbors.

511
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,960
Not on anybody's radar.

512
00:21:39,380 --> 00:21:39,619
Yep.

513
00:21:41,099 --> 00:21:41,400
All right.

514
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,900
We'll see what we can write on something.

515
00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:48,670
We'll look at the 250 questions and see what they said and kind of go along with that.

516
00:21:48,690 --> 00:21:49,490
Yeah, that's definitely supportive.

517
00:21:49,609 --> 00:21:49,829
All right.

518
00:21:50,450 --> 00:21:51,089
Thank you.

519
00:21:51,390 --> 00:21:52,789
You don't want to stay for the rest of the night?

520
00:21:52,910 --> 00:21:52,930
No.

521
00:21:53,049 --> 00:21:53,690
Oh, come on.

522
00:21:55,450 --> 00:21:56,170
We'll see you.

523
00:21:56,329 --> 00:21:57,109
Take care, Dad.

524
00:21:57,109 --> 00:21:59,349
Any other visitors or questions?

525
00:22:02,769 --> 00:22:05,009
Reading and approval of records and orders.

526
00:22:06,589 --> 00:22:07,690
Motion to approve.

527
00:22:09,390 --> 00:22:09,690
I have a second.

528
00:22:09,690 --> 00:22:09,750
Okay.

529
00:22:09,789 --> 00:22:09,990
Second?

530
00:22:10,650 --> 00:22:10,910
Second.

531
00:22:11,690 --> 00:22:12,470
All in favor?

532
00:22:13,170 --> 00:22:13,529
Aye.

533
00:22:13,789 --> 00:22:14,190
Okay.

534
00:22:14,329 --> 00:22:18,170
There's a lot of, you need your signature on the back sheet, and there's a lot of stuff

535
00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:19,089
to sign in there.

536
00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:23,200
There's stuff in the middle.

537
00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:24,019
You fool.

538
00:22:24,259 --> 00:22:24,759
You don't need.

539
00:22:25,220 --> 00:22:25,400
Yeah.

540
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,480
There's a dozen on the tag.

541
00:22:27,059 --> 00:22:32,430
I like the bank account.

542
00:22:32,569 --> 00:22:33,349
Berkshire Bank.

543
00:22:33,789 --> 00:22:35,089
Before you paid the school.

544
00:22:35,789 --> 00:22:36,049
Yeah.

545
00:22:36,349 --> 00:22:36,589
Yeah.

546
00:22:37,269 --> 00:22:45,970
This is what we had end of January.

547
00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:46,490
Oh, wow.

548
00:22:46,569 --> 00:22:47,630
Then she paid the school.

549
00:22:48,210 --> 00:22:48,910
So that's what we have.

550
00:22:48,910 --> 00:22:49,230
Yeah.

551
00:22:51,180 --> 00:22:52,259
They like their money.

552
00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:54,210
Yeah.

553
00:22:54,210 --> 00:22:55,210
Yeah, and they're still on loan.

554
00:22:55,210 --> 00:22:56,210
Yeah.

555
00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:57,210
Still on loan.

556
00:22:57,210 --> 00:23:07,329
Yeah.

557
00:23:07,329 --> 00:23:09,059
Still on loan.

558
00:23:09,059 --> 00:23:10,059
Dave, you want to start on road conditions?

559
00:23:10,059 --> 00:23:11,059
Sure.

560
00:23:11,059 --> 00:23:12,059
It's about season.

561
00:23:12,059 --> 00:23:13,059
It's muddy.

562
00:23:13,059 --> 00:23:14,059
Been out dealing with some muddy spots.

563
00:23:14,059 --> 00:23:15,059
Nothing that's really blown out where we couldn't get through.

564
00:23:15,059 --> 00:23:16,059
I tried to stay on top of most of the spots that were starting to break up, and I'm sure

565
00:23:16,059 --> 00:23:17,059
we already put a pretty good hurtin' on my summer budget.

566
00:23:17,059 --> 00:23:18,059
I mean, I had to go over the stone with gravel in the next couple of weeks, but I think I

567
00:23:18,059 --> 00:23:19,059
think I'm pretty good.

568
00:23:19,059 --> 00:23:20,059
Yeah.

569
00:23:20,059 --> 00:23:21,059
Yeah.

570
00:23:21,059 --> 00:23:22,059
Yeah.

571
00:23:22,059 --> 00:23:23,059
Yeah.

572
00:23:23,059 --> 00:23:24,059
Yeah.

573
00:23:24,059 --> 00:23:25,059
Yeah.

574
00:23:25,059 --> 00:23:27,920
Yeah.

575
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:28,920
Yeah.

576
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:29,920
Yeah.

577
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:30,920
Yeah.

578
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:31,920
Yeah.

579
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,920
Yeah.

580
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:33,920
Yeah.

581
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:34,920
Yeah.

582
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:35,920
Yeah.

583
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,140
Yeah.

584
00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:38,640
Yeah.

585
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,880
Yeah.

586
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,839
Yeah.

587
00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:44,460
Yeah.

588
00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:46,339
Yeah.

589
00:23:46,339 --> 00:23:48,039
Yeah.

590
00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:50,339
Yeah.

591
00:23:50,779 --> 00:23:52,400
Oh, that's awful.

592
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,559
It really is.

593
00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:55,519
Not a pie dough.

594
00:23:55,519 --> 00:24:03,819
I kind of can't really see it happening, and just really haven't really seen –

595
00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:05,859
Yeah.

596
00:24:05,859 --> 00:24:06,799
Yeah.

597
00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:18,960
I'll say it again, John really is like a lifeline to the town, especially in emergency situations.

598
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:24,119
I follow him in whatever he's doing when he comes, especially in the flight events.

599
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,309
I mean, without his kit in town, you people are stranded.

600
00:24:28,309 --> 00:24:35,599
The people in the back row are going to be stranded because he shows up immediately and brings in the material.

601
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:42,019
And we don't have room to stockpile that kind of material or the money, usually.

602
00:24:42,019 --> 00:24:49,019
In the event we're not able to get stuff from him, where would the next option be?

603
00:24:49,019 --> 00:24:52,019
Well, I mean, you'd have to go to Shaftsbury, really.

604
00:24:52,019 --> 00:24:55,369
And then that would be you trucking it yourself?

605
00:24:55,369 --> 00:24:57,369
We'd have to find somebody to truck it.

606
00:24:57,369 --> 00:25:03,369
In most situations, when there's flooding events, other people are doing the same thing.

607
00:25:03,369 --> 00:25:06,369
So you're probably not going to find someone.

608
00:25:06,369 --> 00:25:09,369
You've got to be willing to do it, so you're waiting.

609
00:25:09,369 --> 00:25:14,369
In the summers, you've got all the trucks tied up with paving projects and everything.

610
00:25:14,369 --> 00:25:17,369
They've got their contracts going on.

611
00:25:17,369 --> 00:25:21,369
Yeah, there's not a guy with an empty truck waiting for someone to call.

612
00:25:21,369 --> 00:25:26,460
They're all, you know, it's the same reason why we have our own town group,

613
00:25:26,460 --> 00:25:29,460
because otherwise you'd never get anything done.

614
00:25:29,460 --> 00:25:31,720
Find someone to do the work for you.

615
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,549
Dirt roads and climate events.

616
00:25:35,549 --> 00:25:37,549
Welcome to the city.

617
00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:38,549
Definitely.

618
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:41,549
Well, one of the things that Dave said a long time ago,

619
00:25:41,549 --> 00:25:45,549
if you move up here, get yourself a generator, a four-wheel drive, and a gun.

620
00:25:45,549 --> 00:25:47,549
Where's that T-shirt?

621
00:25:47,549 --> 00:25:49,549
It rose up this year.

622
00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:50,549
Propane?

623
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:53,549
No, it was all the snowpack.

624
00:25:53,549 --> 00:25:55,579
Oh, yeah. Wow.

625
00:25:55,579 --> 00:25:57,579
You've got to be kidding me.

626
00:25:57,579 --> 00:25:58,579
What was that? I missed it.

627
00:25:58,579 --> 00:25:59,579
Our generator.

628
00:25:59,579 --> 00:26:06,579
It literally seized up because the snowpack with that horrible wind we had during that event.

629
00:26:06,579 --> 00:26:07,579
Oh, yeah.

630
00:26:07,579 --> 00:26:09,029
Where's the T-shirt?

631
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:10,029
It's a lifestyle.

632
00:26:10,029 --> 00:26:11,029
I'm working on it.

633
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:12,029
Oh, okay.

634
00:26:12,029 --> 00:26:13,029
It definitely is a lifestyle.

635
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:14,029
We need to be prepared that, you know, we can't.

636
00:26:14,029 --> 00:26:15,029
I had to spend money on a campaign.

637
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:16,029
Oh.

638
00:26:16,029 --> 00:26:17,029
You know, when you think about it.

639
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:18,029
We know you're semi-retired.

640
00:26:18,029 --> 00:26:19,029
Well, there's two of us.

641
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:20,029
We can't be everywhere at once.

642
00:26:20,029 --> 00:26:21,029
Right, right, right.

643
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:22,029
So, something's waiting, you know.

644
00:26:22,029 --> 00:26:23,029
You know, I've had a couple complaints that the dirt roads are muddy.

645
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:24,029
Whoa.

646
00:26:24,029 --> 00:26:25,029
Okay.

647
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:26,029
Seriously.

648
00:26:26,029 --> 00:26:27,029
That's, you know, they're muddy.

649
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:28,029
Really?

650
00:26:28,029 --> 00:26:29,029
Yeah.

651
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:30,029
Yeah.

652
00:26:30,029 --> 00:26:31,029
Yeah.

653
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:32,029
Yeah.

654
00:26:32,029 --> 00:26:33,029
Yeah.

655
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:34,029
Yeah.

656
00:26:34,029 --> 00:26:35,029
Yeah.

657
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:36,029
Yeah.

658
00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:37,029
Yeah.

659
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:38,029
They're not, you know.

660
00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:39,029
They're, you know, they're muddy.

661
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:40,029
Yeah.

662
00:26:40,029 --> 00:26:43,029
When you bought the house, you see that it's muddy.

663
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:44,029
You know.

664
00:26:44,029 --> 00:26:45,029
Yeah.

665
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:46,029
They're like new.

666
00:26:46,029 --> 00:26:47,029
That sounds like they're new.

667
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:48,029
They're new.

668
00:26:48,029 --> 00:26:49,029
Yeah.

669
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:50,029
They're new.

670
00:26:50,029 --> 00:26:51,029
Like an old guy.

671
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:52,029
Yeah.

672
00:26:52,029 --> 00:26:53,029
Yeah.

673
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:54,029
Yeah.

674
00:26:54,029 --> 00:26:55,029
Yeah.

675
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:56,029
Yeah.

676
00:26:56,029 --> 00:26:57,029
That happens.

677
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:58,029
That happens.

678
00:26:58,029 --> 00:26:59,930
I bought a house on Sportsman Road and I hear guns going off at a sportsman's club.

679
00:26:59,930 --> 00:27:00,930
I didn't know that was gonna happen.

680
00:27:00,930 --> 00:27:04,259
Anything else, Dave?

681
00:27:04,259 --> 00:27:05,259
I don't believe so.

682
00:27:05,259 --> 00:27:06,420
Okay.

683
00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:07,420
Um.

684
00:27:07,420 --> 00:27:08,940
I don't worry.

685
00:27:08,940 --> 00:27:09,940
I have to get together with my wife.

686
00:27:09,940 --> 00:27:10,940
So, I'm not sure.

687
00:27:10,940 --> 00:27:18,500
I'm going to work on a bid for each drill so that can happen this summer.

688
00:27:18,660 --> 00:27:22,319
And I did get a hold of a maintenance man for the sweeping,

689
00:27:23,259 --> 00:27:25,519
and they're going to show up sometime in April.

690
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,279
Well, it would be good if they could do it because he didn't do it last year.

691
00:27:29,299 --> 00:27:29,500
Right.

692
00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:29,859
Yeah.

693
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:31,779
It doesn't want to show up.

694
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,680
I have a question.

695
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,059
I know I bring this up often.

696
00:27:36,059 --> 00:27:42,589
And has there ever been any talk about putting money aside

697
00:27:42,589 --> 00:27:48,369
for eventually paving roads so that we can get beyond a lot of these trouble spots

698
00:27:48,369 --> 00:27:52,789
when Dave's gone and we are, I don't know, seven years isn't a long time.

699
00:27:53,170 --> 00:27:56,410
When we talked about that last time, Dave went and got a quote.

700
00:27:56,529 --> 00:27:58,349
I thought it was a very good number.

701
00:27:59,130 --> 00:28:04,269
I would be willing to do that like we do with all the other projects to put money aside.

702
00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:06,170
And every time we do that.

703
00:28:06,190 --> 00:28:07,410
The money's going up.

704
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:09,890
You know, that bid's going to go up.

705
00:28:10,329 --> 00:28:17,089
I would like to look into trying to get a 20-year loan to take care of something like that.

706
00:28:17,650 --> 00:28:22,009
And that's against your road, but Jepson Road's got blacktop and blacktop.

707
00:28:22,089 --> 00:28:24,710
And I'm like, why aren't we connecting that?

708
00:28:24,910 --> 00:28:25,150
You know?

709
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:32,349
And then the other thing is I've lived on a paved road and I've lived on dirt.

710
00:28:32,869 --> 00:28:34,430
So I've seen both.

711
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:36,029
I.

712
00:28:36,190 --> 00:28:42,750
I think it's unfair that a lot of money is put into chip sealing right now

713
00:28:42,750 --> 00:28:49,440
for not even a third of our people.

714
00:28:49,859 --> 00:28:50,420
Population.

715
00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:51,539
Exactly.

716
00:28:51,539 --> 00:28:57,799
And we all pay the same taxes and we don't have the same budget for the roads.

717
00:28:58,460 --> 00:29:00,680
So something has to change.

718
00:29:02,460 --> 00:29:04,920
Taxes or roads.

719
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:05,619
Right.

720
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,440
Your evaluation should take into consideration.

721
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:09,200
That you're on a dirt road versus.

722
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,660
We know we live on a dirt road.

723
00:29:10,819 --> 00:29:11,400
I'm not saying.

724
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,420
I'm not saying on a forest road.

725
00:29:12,420 --> 00:29:17,680
Oh, I mean, I live on a main road and I'm paying taxes and I'm not giving any of the budget to me.

726
00:29:18,059 --> 00:29:18,460
Right.

727
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,119
Exactly.

728
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:19,680
Yeah.

729
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:23,519
I agree with the blacktop and I think we all do.

730
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:24,319
And sweeping it.

731
00:29:24,970 --> 00:29:25,589
You know.

732
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:26,150
Why?

733
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:28,250
I think it's crazy.

734
00:29:28,849 --> 00:29:28,970
Yeah.

735
00:29:29,049 --> 00:29:31,970
You know, that's what Mother Nature does.

736
00:29:32,410 --> 00:29:34,950
Those streets and things are quite crazy.

737
00:29:35,630 --> 00:29:37,369
Sometimes it pays off.

738
00:29:37,630 --> 00:29:41,670
Um, and sometimes it doesn't last very long and you get a rainstorm and.

739
00:29:41,769 --> 00:29:43,990
Yeah, we have a lot of problems.

740
00:29:44,170 --> 00:29:46,750
We didn't talk about our trees on the back roads.

741
00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:49,089
Yeah, they're that's a rabbit hole.

742
00:29:49,089 --> 00:29:50,170
You don't even want to go down.

743
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:51,690
We have water problems.

744
00:29:51,730 --> 00:29:53,509
We have blacked out, you know, mud brown.

745
00:29:53,529 --> 00:29:54,809
We have, there's a lot of issues.

746
00:29:54,809 --> 00:30:01,210
The more people build houses up there, the worse it's going to get, you know, whether there's more water, less water.

747
00:30:01,210 --> 00:30:04,809
I mean, I mean, you look at the, the river's got less water, right?

748
00:30:05,390 --> 00:30:06,849
So the water's got to be going somewhere.

749
00:30:06,849 --> 00:30:10,930
You know, I mean, that was the way cause the ground doesn't hold it anymore.

750
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:11,769
Right, right.

751
00:30:11,829 --> 00:30:13,269
We made the rivers like canals.

752
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:15,130
And you, you showed me the old maps.

753
00:30:15,130 --> 00:30:19,750
I mean, with all the fields and everything, you know, now we're, we're not drying it out anymore.

754
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:26,589
It's all wetlands, you know, turned into wetlands, you know, so it's not drying, you know, but there's a lot of problems.

755
00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:31,190
I do think that the town can't afford everything just simple to have.

756
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:32,089
We're going to go bankrupt.

757
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:35,049
But if we could go, this is one project.

758
00:30:35,730 --> 00:30:36,829
We set money aside.

759
00:30:36,849 --> 00:30:37,529
I agree with you.

760
00:30:37,609 --> 00:30:39,990
It's nice to at least plan.

761
00:30:40,869 --> 00:30:42,289
You know, we did it with other projects.

762
00:30:42,410 --> 00:30:43,450
We can do it with that.

763
00:30:43,569 --> 00:30:44,029
Next year.

764
00:30:44,029 --> 00:30:47,789
Set it aside so it's, we got to set it aside so it's generationally right.

765
00:30:47,890 --> 00:30:52,490
So not one, not any one generation has to bear the whole, you know, burden of the expense.

766
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:53,009
Right.

767
00:30:53,289 --> 00:30:54,730
It's got to be spread out over time.

768
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:55,029
Sure.

769
00:30:55,029 --> 00:31:01,029
Next year is a paving year, or should be a paving year for us to do another project.

770
00:31:01,269 --> 00:31:06,829
And we've been spending $200,000 every year, every five years since I started working here.

771
00:31:06,849 --> 00:31:08,390
On the chip ceiling or on the paving?

772
00:31:08,390 --> 00:31:09,089
Yeah, on the chip ceiling.

773
00:31:09,089 --> 00:31:09,450
Okay.

774
00:31:09,450 --> 00:31:09,670
Yep.

775
00:31:09,670 --> 00:31:13,700
Eventually, that number is going to have to climb.

776
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:19,809
I juggled it for years to try to make it all work between that and grants.

777
00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:26,849
Having East Road done this year is going to be huge, you know, because that's a couple hundred thousand dollars in the city.

778
00:31:26,849 --> 00:31:27,029
Yeah.

779
00:31:27,589 --> 00:31:34,670
We can easily, I'm sure they'd be happy to give us an estimate on paving some of these other roads while they're here.

780
00:31:34,670 --> 00:31:36,430
It would be time to do it.

781
00:31:36,430 --> 00:31:37,349
It would be the cheapest.

782
00:31:37,349 --> 00:31:37,410
Yeah.

783
00:31:37,410 --> 00:31:37,910
Because the more.

784
00:31:37,910 --> 00:31:37,950
Yeah.

785
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:39,609
They can do, the cheaper you can get it.

786
00:31:39,630 --> 00:31:42,930
So you had an estimate on Mill Road, County Road, Mill Road.

787
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:43,190
Yeah.

788
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:43,910
It was $600,000.

789
00:31:43,910 --> 00:31:45,170
All the way to Doug's house, right?

790
00:31:45,670 --> 00:31:45,990
Yeah.

791
00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:46,369
Yeah.

792
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:47,450
I know that was very cheap.

793
00:31:47,910 --> 00:31:49,829
I believe you should just pull the trigger on that.

794
00:31:49,910 --> 00:31:50,710
That's what I'm saying.

795
00:31:50,849 --> 00:31:52,809
I mean, we're talking, it's not a million dollars.

796
00:31:52,829 --> 00:31:53,170
No.

797
00:31:53,849 --> 00:31:55,250
That's extremely cheap.

798
00:31:55,390 --> 00:31:55,529
Yeah.

799
00:31:57,150 --> 00:31:57,470
Yeah.

800
00:31:57,809 --> 00:31:59,789
I thought it was like a million dollars on the paving.

801
00:31:59,789 --> 00:32:00,390
That would be.

802
00:32:00,490 --> 00:32:04,390
Well, that's what they tell you in the city, but they got a lot of other stuff.

803
00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:08,569
You know, you're going to get two inches one year, two inches the next year.

804
00:32:08,769 --> 00:32:09,029
Yeah.

805
00:32:09,390 --> 00:32:14,599
You know, and typically, and I can, people can argue this all day long, like, well, the

806
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:15,799
road's not built for it.

807
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:21,380
Well, the main road was built for it at one point, and drive up that, and you tell me

808
00:32:21,380 --> 00:32:22,420
it's all full of frosty.

809
00:32:22,579 --> 00:32:22,980
Right.

810
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,559
So it doesn't really matter if you.

811
00:32:24,619 --> 00:32:26,740
They paved it, what, a year ago, two years ago?

812
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:27,619
A few years back.

813
00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:29,140
It doesn't really matter.

814
00:32:29,259 --> 00:32:29,940
It's the northeast.

815
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:30,559
Sure.

816
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,380
You're never going to get rid of the frosty control.

817
00:32:32,740 --> 00:32:34,440
Well, they're just trying to get the best.

818
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:34,660
So.

819
00:32:35,059 --> 00:32:36,059
Now, if you pave.

820
00:32:36,059 --> 00:32:38,640
A bad paved road is better than a good gravel road.

821
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:38,779
Yeah.

822
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:39,099
Any day.

823
00:32:39,140 --> 00:32:44,380
If you paved no road, then you would go with a chip seal, and later on, down the road.

824
00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:45,819
Yeah, later on, you need a chip seal.

825
00:32:45,980 --> 00:32:49,740
So that's what you, you take, your maintenance on the paved roads is chip seal, which is

826
00:32:49,740 --> 00:32:50,019
a lot.

827
00:32:50,539 --> 00:32:51,220
A lot easier.

828
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:51,579
Yeah.

829
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:57,940
Once, once you have it, the maintenance is, you know, plus it doesn't, you do it every,

830
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:00,779
you know, 10 years or something like that.

831
00:33:01,019 --> 00:33:01,660
In that bid.

832
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,500
It's done every 10 years, and you're going to get to the point where the skill level

833
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:09,799
of the employees doesn't have to be the same.

834
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:10,000
Right.

835
00:33:10,019 --> 00:33:14,799
You know, if we could pave, think about this, our grader's almost 30 years old.

836
00:33:15,630 --> 00:33:21,359
You know, I'm constantly trying to keep that thing tight enough to make the road good.

837
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,640
I mean, it's, it's, you know, it's going to beat to death, but now these roads are

838
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,619
almost 30 years.

839
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:25,920
Yep.

840
00:33:26,579 --> 00:33:27,640
Do you want to buy a new one?

841
00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:30,500
I mean, that's going to cost a lot of money right there.

842
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:33,660
It's going to be a third, at least, of the blacktop.

843
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,119
It's a few hundred thousand dollars.

844
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:35,299
Yeah.

845
00:33:35,299 --> 00:33:40,380
Where, if you pave some of these roads that I'm constantly grading, now the

846
00:33:40,380 --> 00:33:43,200
grader doesn't have to come out a couple of times a week.

847
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:47,559
You know, maybe it comes out once or twice a year, and you, and you do what you have to do,

848
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:53,500
and you can keep it around for another 20 years, you know, a lot of things to look at.

849
00:33:53,500 --> 00:34:00,539
Did you get an estimate on paving Jepson Road from one blacktop to the other blacktop?

850
00:34:00,539 --> 00:34:02,319
I've never had an estimate on that.

851
00:34:02,420 --> 00:34:06,039
But the one we have gives us a ballpark figure what this one costs.

852
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:08,619
So we take miles and say, okay, what's that, two miles?

853
00:34:09,139 --> 00:34:10,260
No, it's probably a little more.

854
00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:12,519
It's right around two miles.

855
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:13,019
Is it?

856
00:34:13,219 --> 00:34:13,500
Yeah.

857
00:34:14,579 --> 00:34:15,920
Oh, it's from the garage.

858
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:16,860
From the garage, yeah.

859
00:34:17,099 --> 00:34:21,159
So two miles compared to this one over here is probably a mile.

860
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,579
So, you know, I'm not saying it's cut in half, you know how that is, but still.

861
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:26,260
That would be good.

862
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,000
If they're here and they're doing all that, you're going to get a lot.

863
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,079
And when they do it, they have to do it right.

864
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,199
They make the road wide enough and all that kind of stuff.

865
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:35,440
It's going to be a 20-foot wide road.

866
00:34:35,619 --> 00:34:35,840
Yeah.

867
00:34:36,179 --> 00:34:39,949
And if we get a mudslide, we get a mudslide.

868
00:34:40,449 --> 00:34:42,869
And you just clean it up off the pavement instead of the dirt.

869
00:34:43,110 --> 00:34:43,230
Right.

870
00:34:43,550 --> 00:34:44,590
It doesn't wash the dirt away.

871
00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:56,199
But that also, like, with the hydronically connected road segments where I'm constantly having to put all the stone line ditching,

872
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,480
but then the gravel road fills over the stone.

873
00:34:59,519 --> 00:34:59,659
Right.

874
00:34:59,659 --> 00:35:04,739
I mean, the state would be ahead of the game to start putting more money in the paving.

875
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,000
Let's just pave Vermont and be done with it.

876
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:12,699
Because the way their regulations are going, they don't really want a dirt road because it's working again.

877
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:12,780
Right.

878
00:35:12,780 --> 00:35:16,400
They're trying to hold on to some kind of nostalgia.

879
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:16,920
Yeah.

880
00:35:17,420 --> 00:35:20,780
But, I mean, these chip seal roads are, I mean, that's a bad road.

881
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:21,500
It sure is.

882
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,340
And it's in your head.

883
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:24,239
I mean, you're going to love it.

884
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,079
Your quality of life is going to improve so much.

885
00:35:26,179 --> 00:35:29,760
You're not going to, yeah, I'm really going to get sick of all the potholes and the.

886
00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:31,539
Yeah, ask anybody on the road.

887
00:35:31,699 --> 00:35:34,860
And the mud and, yeah, they may fight it.

888
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:37,280
But you're, believe me, you're not going to be sick of dealing with it.

889
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:37,719
Yeah.

890
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,380
You know, we don't need to be driving all the way around.

891
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:40,599
Yeah.

892
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:40,920
The road.

893
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,559
It's just being logistic.

894
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,119
It's going to increase.

895
00:35:43,989 --> 00:35:45,150
We're going fast now.

896
00:35:46,449 --> 00:35:48,130
70-something miles an hour is probably.

897
00:35:48,130 --> 00:35:56,969
I would say that they're going to go as fast, but it'll be safer because, you know, it might be able to stop instead of slide off the road and the potholes, you know.

898
00:35:57,090 --> 00:35:57,849
Is that what you said?

899
00:35:58,289 --> 00:36:00,659
I don't know.

900
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,639
I could argue it all day.

901
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,159
I think we should pave every road in town and be done with it.

902
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,139
Well, the thing is with this, we got a bid for Mill Road.

903
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:09,559
Yeah.

904
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:12,960
If that, that's the same company that does up, it's going to do this?

905
00:36:13,260 --> 00:36:13,420
Yeah.

906
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:16,320
We ought to talk to them and say, if you're in town, what's your bid?

907
00:36:16,619 --> 00:36:25,949
I don't know how the process goes because that's a lot of money to be paid to have to have a town vote or something, but, I mean, we should look at that and say, I agree with Kurt.

908
00:36:27,690 --> 00:36:30,590
Generation after generation, this is not going to go away.

909
00:36:30,750 --> 00:36:32,829
This is always going to be here if it works.

910
00:36:33,309 --> 00:36:37,880
The wintertime is so much easier on the blacktop road.

911
00:36:38,099 --> 00:36:38,360
Yeah.

912
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:43,480
Especially when you get these trees and thaw and the rain in the wintertime.

913
00:36:43,619 --> 00:36:43,659
Yeah.

914
00:36:43,659 --> 00:36:43,679
Yeah.

915
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:43,739
Yeah.

916
00:36:43,739 --> 00:36:43,760
Yeah.

917
00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:46,719
If you go around and throw a little salt down, there's no worries.

918
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:52,699
You get up on the gravel road and the rain just keep going around and around and sand and hoping for the best.

919
00:36:52,820 --> 00:36:53,800
Please stop raining.

920
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:54,159
Sure.

921
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,480
This year, this winter, correct me if I'm wrong, was fairly decent as far as free stuff.

922
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:58,940
Yeah.

923
00:36:59,079 --> 00:36:59,860
Just staying cold.

924
00:36:59,980 --> 00:37:02,519
In the middle of February, that's even worse.

925
00:37:02,659 --> 00:37:02,840
Yeah.

926
00:37:02,940 --> 00:37:07,619
I mean, we got, we locked out and didn't have much rain this winter because the rain is a nightmare in the winter.

927
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,639
Gravel roads, it just.

928
00:37:10,219 --> 00:37:11,159
Can't do anything about it.

929
00:37:11,179 --> 00:37:11,460
Yeah.

930
00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:14,000
You just have to babysit them until it's done.

931
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,239
You know, it's a nightmare for me.

932
00:37:16,340 --> 00:37:18,639
I can't just go throw salt down and go home and go to bed.

933
00:37:18,739 --> 00:37:27,980
I have to stay up and babysit these things to make sure that, you know, people can get in and out and the ambulances can get there.

934
00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:34,889
And I don't know if you quite understand how much dedication it takes to deal with these roads.

935
00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:36,789
It's a multi-layer.

936
00:37:38,349 --> 00:37:41,030
Jim, how was your road this year, mud-wise?

937
00:37:41,110 --> 00:37:43,349
Because you always have a muddy spot up top there.

938
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:43,969
Not bad.

939
00:37:44,769 --> 00:37:46,530
You just put a bunch of stuff on it.

940
00:37:46,769 --> 00:37:47,010
Yeah.

941
00:37:47,230 --> 00:37:49,909
I know some years you just couldn't get through there.

942
00:37:49,909 --> 00:37:50,650
Some years it's horrible.

943
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:51,250
Right.

944
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:52,949
You don't want a four-lane car.

945
00:37:53,110 --> 00:37:54,230
You don't want a four-lane car.

946
00:37:54,329 --> 00:37:54,989
Don't buy your house.

947
00:37:56,179 --> 00:37:56,940
Don't live at the end.

948
00:37:57,139 --> 00:37:57,659
You know, it's cool.

949
00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:00,340
Take me right over to County Road.

950
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:01,699
Okay.

951
00:38:02,619 --> 00:38:04,539
Anything else, Dave, on roads?

952
00:38:04,699 --> 00:38:07,860
And we've got to think about that when they come here.

953
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,099
I know it's a hard build to swallow.

954
00:38:10,659 --> 00:38:12,000
Well, I don't think it really.

955
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:13,900
In the business world.

956
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,300
It's not a bad thing.

957
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,400
It's an investment.

958
00:38:17,739 --> 00:38:19,139
Your labor goes down.

959
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,380
You're talking about Johnny not being there someday.

960
00:38:21,539 --> 00:38:24,500
Even if the gravel pit doesn't get shut down or anything.

961
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:26,380
Johnny's not going to be here forever either.

962
00:38:26,579 --> 00:38:26,760
Right.

963
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,300
So the future is we're going to be chucking stuff in.

964
00:38:32,699 --> 00:38:34,539
Thank you for taking me.

965
00:38:34,539 --> 00:38:35,280
For how much?

966
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:36,579
The same as black-topping?

967
00:38:36,659 --> 00:38:37,239
Taking what?

968
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:37,960
That's the thing.

969
00:38:38,179 --> 00:38:41,360
Thank you for entertaining this conversation.

970
00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:42,840
I think it was on our radar.

971
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:44,519
We didn't have to talk about it.

972
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,960
I just want to make sure that you're talking about it.

973
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,699
You know, employees are going to cost you, too.

974
00:38:52,019 --> 00:38:52,380
Everything.

975
00:38:52,739 --> 00:38:53,300
Okay, sir.

976
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:54,300
Mike.

977
00:38:54,619 --> 00:38:55,300
Mike, right?

978
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:56,280
Thank you very much.

979
00:38:56,860 --> 00:38:57,880
My name is Mike Murphy.

980
00:38:58,139 --> 00:39:01,699
I'm a former resident of this town, 1984 to 1994.

981
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,059
So I'm a little late for the meeting.

982
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:04,599
Are you in the roads?

983
00:39:04,699 --> 00:39:05,760
Are you doing the roads here?

984
00:39:06,139 --> 00:39:07,280
Sorry, I have a question.

985
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:09,340
A road question.

986
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,679
You're representing my son, Aaron Murphy, who lives up on Sportsman's Road.

987
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:14,940
And so he just had a question.

988
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,780
He just had a question about what's going on with the project at the corner.

989
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,099
His property is right on that corner there where there's some talk about doing some work on that.

990
00:39:22,099 --> 00:39:23,780
Well, the Eliases were just here.

991
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,119
And the Eliases were just here.

992
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,099
And they're coming two weeks.

993
00:39:31,820 --> 00:39:34,840
Dave is going to look into the study that we had done.

994
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,760
But we haven't solved anything tonight.

995
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,000
So will there be a meeting at that time after that?

996
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,099
There'll be a selectman's meeting.

997
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,500
Dave will present his findings.

998
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:45,840
But it's not.

999
00:39:45,860 --> 00:39:48,719
It's not going to be done next, in two weeks.

1000
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:52,300
If the state's involved, it's going to take a while.

1001
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:53,820
What do you mean by a while?

1002
00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:55,260
Do you mean months, years?

1003
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:55,760
Years.

1004
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:56,239
Years.

1005
00:39:56,539 --> 00:39:57,179
Okay, good.

1006
00:39:57,260 --> 00:39:59,019
So he just wants to know.

1007
00:39:59,099 --> 00:40:01,239
His well is right there on the corner, as a matter of fact.

1008
00:40:02,019 --> 00:40:02,699
So it's his thing.

1009
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:05,940
And it involves culverts, study.

1010
00:40:07,150 --> 00:40:07,670
Yeah, I mean.

1011
00:40:07,889 --> 00:40:08,329
JVNR.

1012
00:40:09,909 --> 00:40:10,150
Yeah.

1013
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:11,070
I don't know what he did there.

1014
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:12,969
He could cause him a lot of issues.

1015
00:40:12,969 --> 00:40:15,969
And then they also have the apple wall.

1016
00:40:16,369 --> 00:40:17,030
It's involved.

1017
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:17,670
They have rules.

1018
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:18,070
Right.

1019
00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:18,369
Yes.

1020
00:40:18,369 --> 00:40:18,869
So you have.

1021
00:40:19,610 --> 00:40:19,909
Yeah.

1022
00:40:21,369 --> 00:40:25,710
So at the next meeting, Dave, hopefully we'll have a few answers.

1023
00:40:25,710 --> 00:40:27,210
And we'll see where we go from there.

1024
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:29,869
So he'll be notified about that meeting and all that?

1025
00:40:29,869 --> 00:40:33,389
No, it'll be on the, just come in, uh, early conditions.

1026
00:40:34,030 --> 00:40:34,329
Okay.

1027
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:36,019
Yeah.

1028
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:36,360
Okay.

1029
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:36,679
Thank you.

1030
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:36,940
Thank you.

1031
00:40:36,940 --> 00:40:37,119
Yeah.

1032
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:41,780
I just think they would notify the, the surrounding property

1033
00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:43,739
workers before they start doing any kind of work.

1034
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:44,599
Oh, yeah.

1035
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:45,739
I wouldn't be able to participate in any kind of, like, ground work.

1036
00:40:45,739 --> 00:40:45,780
I wouldn't be able to participate in any kind of, like, ground work.

1037
00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:45,840
I wouldn't be able to participate in any kind of, like, ground work.

1038
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,460
It wouldn't be like groundbreaking on this for years.

1039
00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:48,840
Right.

1040
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:49,860
If anything, you know.

1041
00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:53,460
Yeah, we've been down these roads before with projects that it takes,

1042
00:40:54,460 --> 00:40:56,079
would have been a time to the state involved.

1043
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:56,840
Yeah.

1044
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,840
And if it were, I live in Poundville now.

1045
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,139
So same thing.

1046
00:41:00,179 --> 00:41:00,539
Yeah.

1047
00:41:00,539 --> 00:41:02,860
It's a good place.

1048
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,980
I don't think that, I think the quick, you know, fix of what people are looking

1049
00:41:08,980 --> 00:41:11,000
for would cause Aaron more trouble than.

1050
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:12,579
Yeah.

1051
00:41:12,739 --> 00:41:15,360
Which side of the road's he on looking down on the right?

1052
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:16,079
Yes.

1053
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:16,980
If he's on the right.

1054
00:41:17,219 --> 00:41:23,380
Instead, there's a stream on his property which he really values, and I'm sure that would be affected by this whole thing probably.

1055
00:41:23,380 --> 00:41:26,019
Yeah, well, that's where the water's coming from.

1056
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:33,440
You know, if that structure could take all that water, he probably would get flooded out.

1057
00:41:34,099 --> 00:41:39,079
The fact that it overflows the road now and on the other side is probably saving him from that.

1058
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:40,980
The water's always looking for equilibrium.

1059
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:43,159
Yeah, so he'll find it somewhere.

1060
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:43,639
Yep.

1061
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:54,019
But the project that the state's kind of looking at is just realigning the brook off the road more and not even going anywhere near his place.

1062
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,159
Although he would still get, you know, some water down through there.

1063
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:00,320
I mean, look what I went through.

1064
00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:02,539
They didn't even consider realigning the brook.

1065
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:03,099
Yeah.

1066
00:42:03,099 --> 00:42:03,820
And they're okay with it.

1067
00:42:03,820 --> 00:42:05,059
Diverting or realigning.

1068
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:05,380
Yeah.

1069
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:05,820
Yeah.

1070
00:42:06,219 --> 00:42:06,460
No.

1071
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,800
That's why I'm surprised they're even going there.

1072
00:42:08,820 --> 00:42:09,039
Yeah.

1073
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:10,940
Because they're going to have to go on private property.

1074
00:42:10,940 --> 00:42:11,179
Right.

1075
00:42:11,179 --> 00:42:12,320
And that was the big deal.

1076
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:13,320
They.

1077
00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:15,659
Couldn't get our neighbor to.

1078
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:17,719
Consent to it.

1079
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:18,300
Go back there and.

1080
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:18,800
Yeah.

1081
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:19,179
Yeah.

1082
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:19,639
So.

1083
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:24,880
But even the stream that's coming down from the woods, I don't know whose stream that.

1084
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:26,719
How are you going to stop that?

1085
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,300
That's still going to flow down there.

1086
00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:34,019
And it comes through a stone wall, which at one time was kind of odd.

1087
00:42:34,099 --> 00:42:36,239
Like maybe the water didn't even come down through there.

1088
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:36,539
Yeah.

1089
00:42:36,539 --> 00:42:37,260
And there was a river there.

1090
00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:38,719
It's going to change over the course of.

1091
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:38,960
Yeah.

1092
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:39,579
Yeah.

1093
00:42:39,579 --> 00:42:44,400
I don't know if that new culvert up the road is going to.

1094
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,340
Well, it takes some of the water, but how is it going to.

1095
00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:51,179
Nothing's going to change down by that little stream and culvert.

1096
00:42:51,179 --> 00:42:52,340
It's still going to come down there.

1097
00:42:52,340 --> 00:42:53,340
It wouldn't be problem free.

1098
00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:54,340
No.

1099
00:42:54,340 --> 00:42:55,340
I don't think so.

1100
00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:56,340
No.

1101
00:42:56,340 --> 00:42:57,340
No structured problem.

1102
00:42:57,340 --> 00:42:58,340
So we could pay.

1103
00:42:58,340 --> 00:42:59,340
Upward to five, $600,000 on a project that doesn't work.

1104
00:42:59,340 --> 00:43:00,340
Yeah.

1105
00:43:00,340 --> 00:43:01,340
Yeah.

1106
00:43:01,340 --> 00:43:02,340
You're talking that 250.

1107
00:43:02,340 --> 00:43:03,340
Yeah.

1108
00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:04,340
Property.

1109
00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:05,340
Creating a stream bed.

1110
00:43:05,340 --> 00:43:06,340
I had no idea what that would cost.

1111
00:43:06,340 --> 00:43:07,340
Yeah.

1112
00:43:07,340 --> 00:43:08,340
Yeah.

1113
00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:09,340
But it's not cheap.

1114
00:43:09,340 --> 00:43:10,340
Okay.

1115
00:43:10,340 --> 00:43:11,340
Way more than we budget for.

1116
00:43:11,340 --> 00:43:12,340
I can tell you that.

1117
00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:13,340
Yeah.

1118
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:14,340
Yeah.

1119
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:15,559
Yeah.

1120
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:16,559
Yeah.

1121
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:17,559
So next meeting, there might be some answers.

1122
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:18,559
Yeah.

1123
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:19,559
Some answers meaning some.

1124
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:20,559
But then plans would have to be done.

1125
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:21,559
Definitely.

1126
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:22,559
All that stuff.

1127
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:23,559
Yep.

1128
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:24,559
It should take a long time.

1129
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:25,559
Yep.

1130
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:26,559
Yep.

1131
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:28,329
Okay.

1132
00:43:28,329 --> 00:43:29,329
Thank you all.

1133
00:43:29,329 --> 00:43:30,329
Yeah.

1134
00:43:30,329 --> 00:43:31,329
Yeah.

1135
00:43:31,329 --> 00:43:33,420
Dave, anything else on roads?

1136
00:43:33,420 --> 00:43:35,340
Recycling?

1137
00:43:35,340 --> 00:43:36,340
No.

1138
00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:37,340
That's about okay there.

1139
00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:38,340
Okay.

1140
00:43:38,340 --> 00:43:39,340
I have some stuff on recycling.

1141
00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:40,340
I attended an alliance meeting yesterday by Zoom.

1142
00:43:40,340 --> 00:43:41,980
I'm going to go ahead and do that.

1143
00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:42,980
Yeah.

1144
00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:43,980
Yeah.

1145
00:43:43,980 --> 00:43:44,980
Yeah.

1146
00:43:44,980 --> 00:43:45,980
Yeah.

1147
00:43:45,980 --> 00:43:47,269
Yeah.

1148
00:43:47,269 --> 00:43:49,329
Yeah.

1149
00:43:49,329 --> 00:43:50,329
Thank you.

1150
00:43:50,329 --> 00:43:51,329
Okay.

1151
00:43:51,329 --> 00:43:52,329
Absolutely.

1152
00:43:52,329 --> 00:43:53,329
All right.

1153
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:54,329
Sounds good.

1154
00:43:54,329 --> 00:43:57,469
Okay.

1155
00:43:57,469 --> 00:43:58,469
Thank you.

1156
00:43:58,469 --> 00:43:59,469
Yeah.

1157
00:43:59,469 --> 00:44:00,469
Cool.

1158
00:44:00,469 --> 00:44:01,469
Yeah.

1159
00:44:01,469 --> 00:44:02,469
Yeah.

1160
00:44:02,469 --> 00:44:03,469
Thank you.

1161
00:44:03,469 --> 00:44:04,469
You're welcome.

1162
00:44:04,469 --> 00:44:05,469
And you.

1163
00:44:05,469 --> 00:44:06,469
No.

1164
00:44:06,469 --> 00:44:07,469
Yeah.

1165
00:44:07,469 --> 00:44:08,469
You're welcome.

1166
00:44:08,469 --> 00:44:09,469
Yes.

1167
00:44:09,469 --> 00:44:10,469
Yes.

1168
00:44:10,469 --> 00:44:11,469
All right.

1169
00:44:11,469 --> 00:44:12,469
Okay.

1170
00:44:12,469 --> 00:44:13,469
Yeah.

1171
00:44:13,469 --> 00:44:14,469
Go ahead.

1172
00:44:14,469 --> 00:44:15,630
Hi.

1173
00:44:15,630 --> 00:44:16,630
Yeah.

1174
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:17,630
Yeah.

1175
00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:18,630
I want to let one just about be right there.

1176
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:19,630
Yeah.

1177
00:44:19,630 --> 00:44:20,630
Yeah.

1178
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:27,679
60 pages long if anybody wants to read it. We are required to renew that every

1179
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:34,420
five years and the state does check and see if we go to the school, what our

1180
00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:42,340
outreach program is to schools, businesses, what we're doing for

1181
00:44:42,340 --> 00:44:49,679
recycling, do we have a place to put textiles and there's just a lot in paint

1182
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:56,400
care and so there's a lot into it that we have to follow and every town does

1183
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:04,260
need a solid waste implementation plan. This is the state. So Bennington County

1184
00:45:04,260 --> 00:45:11,980
Regional Commission, we have the alliance of 13 towns got together hired Bennington

1185
00:45:11,980 --> 00:45:20,139
County Regional Commission to oversee all this for us. There's no way all these

1186
00:45:20,139 --> 00:45:21,000
little towns could do this.

1187
00:45:21,019 --> 00:45:30,989
New state laws coming, something about extended user, we don't know exactly how

1188
00:45:30,989 --> 00:45:34,070
that's going to work because they haven't finished tweaking the bill but

1189
00:45:34,070 --> 00:45:38,670
there is a bill in the legislature that might come through and affect the

1190
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:42,469
household hazardous waste. We don't know what it is but they're giving us heads

1191
00:45:42,469 --> 00:45:52,409
up. On the solid waste implementation plan, like I said it's on the web, it will

1192
00:45:52,409 --> 00:45:55,070
be on the website after March 26.

1193
00:45:55,070 --> 00:46:01,309
So there will be a public meeting in Manchester, public meeting in Bennington,

1194
00:46:01,309 --> 00:46:08,039
the board of our alliance board has to approve it and then it goes to all 13

1195
00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:14,400
towns for the select board to approve the plan. If we're interested, two

1196
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,980
representatives could come down to our select board meeting and answer

1197
00:46:18,980 --> 00:46:24,099
questions if you're interested in having them down and this would be in May or

1198
00:46:24,099 --> 00:46:25,280
June and the

1199
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:33,400
SWPP plan is due back to the state June 30th. So what's your thoughts on having

1200
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:38,219
someone come down to explain it or read it on your own?

1201
00:46:38,219 --> 00:46:40,219
Not really going to change anything.

1202
00:46:40,219 --> 00:46:42,219
Right, it's good. Explain something that's mandated.

1203
00:46:42,219 --> 00:46:44,219
Yep, yep.

1204
00:46:44,219 --> 00:46:46,480
I can read it.

1205
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,639
Okay.

1206
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:50,639
We got too much on the agenda for me to go into recycling.

1207
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:52,639
Yep.

1208
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:54,639
The haulers, all our known haulers and standards.

1209
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:55,639
Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.

1210
00:46:55,639 --> 00:47:29,610
Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep

1211
00:47:29,610 --> 00:47:34,170
five and I'm going to step back from that if anyone on the board is

1212
00:47:34,170 --> 00:47:44,960
interested raise your hand I'm a lame duck I'm lamer than you so if anybody

1213
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:55,360
wants to attend the alliance meeting we need a representative okay just giving

1214
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:02,650
heads up that's all in recycling anything else any questions okay

1215
00:48:02,650 --> 00:48:16,130
discussion ethics Commission update on the ethics Commission Doug has done a

1216
00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:22,199
lot of work on this he's given us a great outline of how we do the

1217
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:31,329
investigation and enforcement but one of the things is we have to appoint a

1218
00:48:31,329 --> 00:48:35,429
designated compliant complaint

1219
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:41,539
right to investigate say there's a complaint went to the state

1220
00:48:41,539 --> 00:48:47,659
yeah state sends it back to us who is going to receive this I thought that was

1221
00:48:47,659 --> 00:48:54,019
what Doug was doing yeah well I'm doing it yeah and like I mentioned I did

1222
00:48:54,019 --> 00:48:59,360
mention another name I thought might be yeah right so Doug is the we appointed

1223
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:07,639
you as liaison yeah so when there is a complaint do we appoint somebody at that

1224
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:07,699
time and then we appoint somebody at that time and then we appoint somebody at

1225
00:49:07,699 --> 00:49:14,179
time do we appoint three people right now to Doug and two other people to be

1226
00:49:14,179 --> 00:49:20,239
on this committee to investigate the complaint do we appoint them for a year

1227
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:28,920
we appoint one as needed can you explain to me the process so I know we talked

1228
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:34,559
about it in length last meeting so we we decided let the state decide okay so goes

1229
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:38,800
up to the state from a complaint state says yes we agree we believe there's a

1230
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,900
violation sends it back down to let's say they send it back down to you and

1231
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:49,860
you go and you're gonna investigate what well I would think that the state would

1232
00:49:49,860 --> 00:49:55,130
say you know okay this is what we have deemed you know what you said in the

1233
00:49:55,130 --> 00:50:00,500
case say they find somebody in violation and they would let us know or make

1234
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:10,579
recommendations what we should we should do I think I mean just a basic outline of

1235
00:50:10,579 --> 00:50:15,440
would be whoever is doing the investigation talk to people involved

1236
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:22,219
obviously read over review the complaint that was made you know just touch all

1237
00:50:22,219 --> 00:50:30,690
the bases and then bring it back to the the board and the board would make the

1238
00:50:30,690 --> 00:50:35,579
select board you know make recommendations this is what you know as

1239
00:50:35,579 --> 00:50:39,300
Nancy said there's different recommendations things that you can do

1240
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:44,670
if something's in violation and talk about what they think would be

1241
00:50:44,670 --> 00:50:51,489
appropriate so they will guide us yeah with recommendations and the reason I'm

1242
00:50:51,489 --> 00:50:57,159
asking this is you know when we talked about it last time if you and I'm gonna

1243
00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:02,260
call it common sense yeah we see there's we know there's a violation of dogs it's

1244
00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:07,309
almost there's some violations that are iffy but other ones are black and white

1245
00:51:07,309 --> 00:51:09,489
I think and we see it but we

1246
00:51:09,489 --> 00:51:09,570
let it go and we let it go and we let it go and we let it go and we let it go and we

1247
00:51:09,570 --> 00:51:11,449
let it go and we let it go and we let it go to the state state goes back gives

1248
00:51:11,449 --> 00:51:11,469
to the state state goes back gives

1249
00:51:11,469 --> 00:51:16,070
to the state state goes back gives us says that they agree that it's a

1250
00:51:16,070 --> 00:51:16,090
us says that they agree that it's a

1251
00:51:16,090 --> 00:51:17,389
us says that they agree that it's a violation then to give us

1252
00:51:17,389 --> 00:51:17,409
violation then to give us

1253
00:51:17,409 --> 00:51:21,170
violation then to give us recommendations I guess my question is

1254
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:21,190
recommendations I guess my question is

1255
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:23,690
recommendations I guess my question is how long do you know how long this

1256
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:23,710
how long do you know how long this

1257
00:51:23,710 --> 00:51:25,389
how long do you know how long this process is gonna take it's gonna be I

1258
00:51:25,389 --> 00:51:25,409
process is gonna take it's gonna be I

1259
00:51:25,409 --> 00:51:27,429
process is gonna take it's gonna be I don't think they know there this is

1260
00:51:27,429 --> 00:51:27,449
don't think they know there this is

1261
00:51:27,449 --> 00:51:30,030
don't think they know there this is this is just getting just getting start for

1262
00:51:30,030 --> 00:51:30,050
this is just getting just getting start for

1263
00:51:30,050 --> 00:51:34,809
conversations I mean I want to play through I'm not saying I don't want to

1264
00:51:34,809 --> 00:51:39,969
let it play through I'm just thinking there's there's difference between

1265
00:51:39,969 --> 00:51:45,050
perceived violations and outright you know that there's a violation and if it

1266
00:51:45,050 --> 00:51:51,050
takes six months for that to get fixed and while that violations happening is

1267
00:51:51,050 --> 00:51:56,809
continuing to happen whatever it is it kind of and I'm not talking about like

1268
00:51:56,809 --> 00:51:59,809
the ones we were talking about while there's a conflict of interest I'm

1269
00:51:59,809 --> 00:52:04,550
talking about blatantly knowing that the treasurer stealing money well then

1270
00:52:04,550 --> 00:52:08,690
that would be a law enforcement but we don't that's what I'm saying we just

1271
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:11,929
don't that says you couldn't call in law enforcement I mean that's an extreme

1272
00:52:11,929 --> 00:52:18,050
violation it's a violation of what if there's what if there's a violation like

1273
00:52:18,050 --> 00:52:23,570
I mentioned last week a sexual harassment charge he said she said you

1274
00:52:23,570 --> 00:52:29,809
know and that's continuing while we wait that's it bothers me that I wish I

1275
00:52:29,809 --> 00:52:34,250
knew the timeline and I know you don't I'm not it's not against you at all I

1276
00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:41,309
just wish this whole subject it's coming up now letting the state guide us

1277
00:52:41,309 --> 00:52:46,030
embodies me a little bit and I just wish there was a better way I'm not saying I

1278
00:52:46,030 --> 00:52:50,809
have a better way there is no timeline we've never seen the timeline I'm not

1279
00:52:50,809 --> 00:52:55,570
trying to argue about it it just bothers me something I want to explain here I

1280
00:52:55,570 --> 00:53:00,329
don't like having the state involved any more than you or anybody else does I don't like having the state involved any more than you or anybody else does

1281
00:53:00,550 --> 00:53:03,190
I don't like having the state involved any more than you or anybody else does I don't like having the federal government but there are times

1282
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:08,170
where we need to and my big recommendation for sending it through

1283
00:53:08,170 --> 00:53:17,079
the state is objectivity because we get it here you know we try to get too

1284
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:23,260
involved before there's some kind of an outline to follow oh geez you know Mike's

1285
00:53:23,260 --> 00:53:27,699
a friend with this guy or Doug's a friend with this guy but up in Montpelier

1286
00:53:27,699 --> 00:53:31,079
nobody knows likely who you are or what

1287
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:35,219
you are you're gonna get an objective statement yeah and that's why I want to

1288
00:53:35,219 --> 00:53:40,199
go through and I think if we follow follow that and as far as how much time

1289
00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:46,179
it takes and when it comes back I hope that there's a guideline from the state

1290
00:53:46,179 --> 00:53:51,360
because if it comes back to Doug and Doug and just like you were saying yeah

1291
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,500
we didn't want Doug to decide because he's a friend of this person and I come

1292
00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:58,460
back to Doug to make that activation we're back right where we started in

1293
00:53:58,460 --> 00:54:01,119
that case if there was situation like that that

1294
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:07,199
would say give it give it maybe we should have a three-man committee well i don't know about

1295
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:12,239
a committee like i said have a couple of people that could be that's what i was thinking because

1296
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:19,119
that's just the same pete i think you're just you jump the gun just a smidgen

1297
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:25,679
so i agree with everything that you're saying in terms of if there has been deemed

1298
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:30,800
a conflict of interest that the state will come down with some recommendations but you're

1299
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,039
leaving out the fact that the state is going to receive a complaint and then they're going to

1300
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:42,480
come to you and say investigate and they're going to hand it to you and then somebody else needs to

1301
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,719
investigate that complaint that's again that's what we're trying to do that's what we're trying

1302
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,039
to do we're trying to figure out who's going to investigate my point is is that if you if you

1303
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:57,480
start having people on the board and get i think the three a committee and we have talked about

1304
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,920
this i think in the initial time and i don't know if you want to call it a committee or

1305
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,400
whatever you want to call it but if you have something let's say that goes against

1306
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:12,599
there's something from the board somebody's made a complaint against you guys now neither one of you

1307
00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:18,840
can even talk about it and have a conversation about it so that well well okay first of all what

1308
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:24,599
i am is the liaison i'm a contact point right so that's what they're going to do well pretty much

1309
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:30,679
but i've taken on a lot of the seller stuff but no i'm a liaison so they're going to contact me and

1310
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:36,199
this is what we found this is what we i'm going to ask them what do you think we need to do

1311
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:45,840
where do we go from here yours you're saying that the state might not deem any make a decision

1312
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,360
they're going to ask for an investigation before the discussion because it may just be

1313
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:57,760
some someone someone's worse yeah right well it could happen every day so they're going to

1314
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,039
pass it down and say listen doug we received this complaint

1315
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:07,480
now here you go okay you got to have an investigation right and again they they frown

1316
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:15,000
upon the liaison actually i haven't heard that yet well i was sent in the email i mean she was clear

1317
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:20,039
as that and said that it's actually frowned upon that the liaison is the actual person doing the

1318
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:25,000
investigation well i have to talk about that because it was never said to me the email i

1319
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:31,400
think there's a couple of people in here and i do like it either way i'm not saying that you shouldn't

1320
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:36,199
but i do like the idea of having someone not on the board just in case the board is involved

1321
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:45,960
these people that can you know actually do an independent you know kind of investigation and

1322
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:51,320
then though they don't necessarily have to be a position of authority they can just

1323
00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:58,039
respond and say here you go here's the information that we came across or if it involves you guys

1324
00:56:58,039 --> 00:57:00,760
they can go right back to the statement and say here you go

1325
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,119
know we've done this investigation then the state would come in and say well you know maybe

1326
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:10,039
we need to dig a little bit and go and then they might give the recommendation well what

1327
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:17,559
my understanding is that like when i said send that up to the state uh they may just say that's

1328
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:22,760
what i'm hoping in some cases they're just going to say and they're better able to say it than we

1329
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,639
are i don't see a problem here because like you said you may have the perception of something

1330
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:31,239
but they may look at it for whatever reason say no we don't have a problem

1331
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:39,840
and then if they say send it down you know for an investigation we can adjust as we need to as i

1332
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:47,679
said the select board can pick anybody they want or sign anybody they want so obviously if it comes

1333
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:52,880
down against me obviously i hope you know me well enough i'm not going to investigate myself

1334
00:57:55,599 --> 00:58:00,719
then in this case here then the board gets together i'll refuse myself and they can

1335
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:08,989
investigator. And the other thing about the investigator, you need to have somebody, it's

1336
00:58:08,989 --> 00:58:12,309
not just, well, I'm going to look into it, you know. You should have somebody that has

1337
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:18,230
some kind of a background. It doesn't have to be a law enforcement investigator. It doesn't

1338
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:20,730
have to be some kind of a criminal investigator.

1339
00:58:20,969 --> 00:58:22,829
Well, we're talking athletes, not law, right?

1340
00:58:23,010 --> 00:58:26,550
No, but, well, no, the other thing I'm saying, though, people that understand a procedure

1341
00:58:26,550 --> 00:58:32,670
about an investigation, you know, you get the basic information, you talk to the people,

1342
00:58:33,010 --> 00:58:36,449
which you need to collect to make your point, is what I'm saying.

1343
00:58:36,449 --> 00:58:42,650
I think if they've been through an academy or some kind of actual training, you know,

1344
00:58:42,829 --> 00:58:47,170
they've dealt with investigations, really, for sure.

1345
00:58:48,269 --> 00:58:50,369
I thought Jim Stimson raised his hand.

1346
00:58:50,909 --> 00:58:51,630
Me and Jim.

1347
00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:56,570
And both of us, well, Jim was an actual police officer, and I was a reporter.

1348
00:58:56,570 --> 00:58:56,590
Yeah.

1349
00:58:56,590 --> 00:58:56,909
Yeah.

1350
00:58:56,929 --> 00:58:57,809
We're talking ethics.

1351
00:58:58,090 --> 00:59:04,389
And I was also, I worked in the corrections for some time as well, so I'm definitely interested.

1352
00:59:04,530 --> 00:59:08,409
I said at the first meeting, I'll say it again, and Jim said it too, he's interested, and

1353
00:59:08,409 --> 00:59:12,789
I'm interested if you're going to make a committee, throw my hand, my hand in the ring.

1354
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:15,690
I think, so, go ahead, Deb.

1355
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:20,130
It doesn't, I agree with Doug, I agree with Pete.

1356
00:59:21,010 --> 00:59:27,170
I think if it's going to be some sort of investigation that a law has been

1357
00:59:27,170 --> 00:59:27,630
broken.

1358
00:59:28,050 --> 00:59:28,989
Well, it's something else.

1359
00:59:29,110 --> 00:59:34,230
It's ethics, I mean, I have to take ethics twice a year.

1360
00:59:35,179 --> 00:59:36,719
I have to take my training.

1361
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,739
Lots of people know procedures for ethics.

1362
00:59:39,739 --> 00:59:48,349
You don't have to be a trained law enforcement officer to know how to conduct an ethical investigation.

1363
00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:54,559
Well, if I can answer or respond to that, like I said, there's a certain, certain things

1364
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:57,260
anybody that does an investigation is.

1365
00:59:57,420 --> 01:00:03,650
And you need somebody that knows how to put the facts together and present them.

1366
01:00:03,650 --> 01:00:10,750
I don't, I don't disagree, I don't disagree, and I think you're selling short a lot of

1367
01:00:10,750 --> 01:00:18,679
people who might want to, who are removed enough from the select board to be able to

1368
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:21,460
go in and do a pretty good job.

1369
01:00:21,659 --> 01:00:28,039
I mean, you don't, I had a problem with choosing a select board person.

1370
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:36,239
I think it should have been totally removed from it, but that wasn't my decision, and

1371
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:41,599
I saw just issues with it, whether it was any of you.

1372
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:45,860
I really didn't think that was a good decision, but it's not my decision.

1373
01:00:46,940 --> 01:00:53,320
You have many other quote-unquote employees that you could have pulled from, committees,

1374
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,400
people that are paid the stipends, just like you, that could have.

1375
01:01:00,340 --> 01:01:08,210
Because a lot of times, the violations, and look, please do your research, but a lot of

1376
01:01:08,210 --> 01:01:12,449
the violations are going to come from the core, you know, here.

1377
01:01:13,329 --> 01:01:19,909
I doubt, maybe, but, you know, Lori's not going to be accused of sexual harassment or

1378
01:01:19,909 --> 01:01:20,789
something.

1379
01:01:20,909 --> 01:01:22,409
I would never accuse her of that.

1380
01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:23,750
I know that.

1381
01:01:24,750 --> 01:01:26,090
But do you know what I'm saying?

1382
01:01:27,429 --> 01:01:29,530
I'm confused at this whole process.

1383
01:01:29,530 --> 01:01:30,349
Oh, we all are.

1384
01:01:30,369 --> 01:01:31,650
Because this is so new.

1385
01:01:31,789 --> 01:01:32,730
That's more like a law.

1386
01:01:32,889 --> 01:01:34,429
I mean, sexual harassment would be a law.

1387
01:01:34,570 --> 01:01:34,829
Right.

1388
01:01:35,110 --> 01:01:35,809
Law and ethics.

1389
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:36,750
Employee policy.

1390
01:01:36,909 --> 01:01:39,329
So, we're just talking ethics.

1391
01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:39,929
Yeah.

1392
01:01:40,289 --> 01:01:42,329
So, law and ethics are not the same.

1393
01:01:42,369 --> 01:01:46,630
So, let's go back to a designated complaint recipient.

1394
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:49,769
Who is going to receive the complaint?

1395
01:01:49,989 --> 01:01:51,010
No, he's the liaison.

1396
01:01:51,070 --> 01:01:51,769
I'm the liaison.

1397
01:01:51,909 --> 01:01:52,309
He's the liaison.

1398
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:53,690
Why couldn't I receive the complaint?

1399
01:01:53,869 --> 01:01:55,849
Because I'm a contact point.

1400
01:01:56,030 --> 01:01:56,550
You could.

1401
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:59,570
Even if I don't do another thing, I am a liaison.

1402
01:01:59,570 --> 01:02:00,289
So, we have to.

1403
01:02:00,289 --> 01:02:00,349
So, we have to.

1404
01:02:00,349 --> 01:02:00,369
So, we have to.

1405
01:02:00,510 --> 01:02:04,690
He should be the contact point, but I think we should probably have a committee.

1406
01:02:04,989 --> 01:02:05,809
That's what I'm thinking.

1407
01:02:06,030 --> 01:02:06,630
So, we should appoint.

1408
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:07,650
The investigative part of that.

1409
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:09,769
Like, I'm the liaison for law enforcement.

1410
01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:14,489
When the state troopers are coming to town, they contact me and say,

1411
01:02:14,570 --> 01:02:18,320
Hey, we're going to be coming to town for traffic.

1412
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:19,719
I mean, if they're comfortable.

1413
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,059
Or if the sheriff wants to say, Hey, look, we want to throw another bid into your town.

1414
01:02:24,059 --> 01:02:30,760
Or if we have a problem, we need a sheriff for elections.

1415
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:31,320
Or something.

1416
01:02:31,639 --> 01:02:32,739
I can contact them.

1417
01:02:32,820 --> 01:02:33,940
I have that contact information.

1418
01:02:34,059 --> 01:02:36,159
That's all I am is a contact guy.

1419
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:36,679
That's it.

1420
01:02:36,940 --> 01:02:39,920
I don't say, well, I want you to patrol on Mill Road.

1421
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:41,920
You know, that's not up to me.

1422
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,099
They come down, they patrol.

1423
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:44,280
You know, I could give them.

1424
01:02:44,739 --> 01:02:48,179
There's been problems on Mill Road if you're down here.

1425
01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:49,320
But I can't tell them what to do.

1426
01:02:49,860 --> 01:02:53,320
So, I'm hearing that we want a committee of three.

1427
01:02:54,159 --> 01:02:54,539
Okay.

1428
01:02:55,769 --> 01:02:58,570
And do we enter?

1429
01:02:59,170 --> 01:03:00,630
So, do we appoint?

1430
01:03:00,630 --> 01:03:05,889
Do we appoint people right now for a year, or do we, six months, three months,

1431
01:03:05,969 --> 01:03:08,869
or do we wait until we have a complaint and then appoint?

1432
01:03:09,289 --> 01:03:10,869
I would, I would, no.

1433
01:03:10,909 --> 01:03:12,610
Well, you can do that at any time.

1434
01:03:12,730 --> 01:03:13,449
That's what they say.

1435
01:03:13,469 --> 01:03:14,030
So, yeah.

1436
01:03:14,070 --> 01:03:17,750
If we're going to have a committee, though, I would like to be included on that committee.

1437
01:03:17,889 --> 01:03:18,170
Okay.

1438
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:20,389
Because I feel I have the investigative background.

1439
01:03:20,510 --> 01:03:21,469
I don't just feel it.

1440
01:03:21,909 --> 01:03:24,050
I can show pretty much anybody.

1441
01:03:24,110 --> 01:03:24,429
All right.

1442
01:03:25,090 --> 01:03:25,989
Well, sorry, Pete.

1443
01:03:26,650 --> 01:03:27,150
You know.

1444
01:03:27,230 --> 01:03:27,690
It's just opinion.

1445
01:03:27,789 --> 01:03:28,170
I get it.

1446
01:03:28,170 --> 01:03:29,829
I'm not saying that you don't.

1447
01:03:29,849 --> 01:03:30,150
So.

1448
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:32,190
I have the background to do it.

1449
01:03:32,570 --> 01:03:37,210
I just think that somebody on the board, it should be separate from the board because

1450
01:03:37,210 --> 01:03:38,329
you're the contact person.

1451
01:03:38,590 --> 01:03:43,489
So, you've got to have that separation for when the investigation is done so that you

1452
01:03:43,489 --> 01:03:44,190
can give the information.

1453
01:03:44,190 --> 01:03:45,309
I don't think so.

1454
01:03:45,389 --> 01:03:46,010
I don't think so.

1455
01:03:46,110 --> 01:03:47,710
I don't understand what you're saying.

1456
01:03:47,969 --> 01:03:52,889
And the other thing I'm going to say is unless somebody wants to tell me they don't think

1457
01:03:52,889 --> 01:03:57,030
I have the ethics, but that I'm not honest enough, then tell me now.

1458
01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:57,550
Yeah, no.

1459
01:03:57,550 --> 01:03:59,730
I don't think anybody here questions you.

1460
01:04:00,090 --> 01:04:00,190
No.

1461
01:04:00,630 --> 01:04:02,670
I think you're perfect for.

1462
01:04:02,670 --> 01:04:03,969
I don't think anybody questions your background.

1463
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:09,389
I'm just going by what the woman from the ethics committee, the supervisor, sent back

1464
01:04:09,389 --> 01:04:14,130
an email that says it is frowned upon to have the liaison conducting the investigation.

1465
01:04:14,449 --> 01:04:17,909
That is solely what I'm basing my conversation.

1466
01:04:17,909 --> 01:04:17,929
Okay.

1467
01:04:17,929 --> 01:04:17,989
Yeah.

1468
01:04:18,130 --> 01:04:20,769
But if we appoint three, we're okay.

1469
01:04:21,289 --> 01:04:25,070
I just want to say, I just want to say, I think Doug's perfect for it.

1470
01:04:25,070 --> 01:04:30,070
But the point I was trying to make last meeting that I think people are missing is that if

1471
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:34,369
you think you can move yourself into the situation, that's fine, but you're putting yourself

1472
01:04:34,369 --> 01:04:36,570
at risk for a situation.

1473
01:04:37,110 --> 01:04:37,170
Right.

1474
01:04:37,309 --> 01:04:41,710
So anything I was trying to say about SHIELD last week, you're putting yourself in line

1475
01:04:41,710 --> 01:04:43,889
for a potential ethics violation.

1476
01:04:44,980 --> 01:04:45,920
So here's the other.

1477
01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:47,539
Just by staying, just by staying involved.

1478
01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:48,820
Here's the other part of this.

1479
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:49,639
Just remove yourself.

1480
01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:50,480
I think at least.

1481
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:56,019
The other part of the equation is, so I taught ethics in the hunter safety course.

1482
01:04:56,019 --> 01:04:59,840
That was my forte on hunter safety for 21 years.

1483
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:01,199
I have to go and refresh.

1484
01:05:01,300 --> 01:05:09,980
My software, the state level ethics in a nutshell, ethics is a opinionated thing.

1485
01:05:10,179 --> 01:05:10,539
Okay.

1486
01:05:10,619 --> 01:05:11,179
Subjective.

1487
01:05:11,179 --> 01:05:16,679
So what your code of ethics are might be different than my code of ethics.

1488
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:22,519
We might have some common ground, but there could be, this is where law is written down.

1489
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:23,860
It's black and white.

1490
01:05:24,460 --> 01:05:27,340
It's against the law to do this.

1491
01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:29,500
Ethically.

1492
01:05:29,739 --> 01:05:31,619
You might agree that it's okay.

1493
01:05:31,619 --> 01:05:35,420
To shoot a guy, break it into your home, right?

1494
01:05:36,119 --> 01:05:39,139
The law says in the state of Vermont, we don't know.

1495
01:05:39,139 --> 01:05:42,079
There's no castle law in the state of Vermont, nothing.

1496
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:46,059
They have, they have case studies, but that's it.

1497
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,860
I might say, well, you had a chance to get out the back door.

1498
01:05:49,860 --> 01:05:51,019
Why would you kill someone?

1499
01:05:51,940 --> 01:05:54,280
Or can you just shoot them in the leg, right?

1500
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,380
So my, my code of ethics is different.

1501
01:05:56,380 --> 01:05:57,500
And that's just an example.

1502
01:05:57,500 --> 01:06:02,179
I'm not trying to get it, but what I'm trying to say is the other half of this equation.

1503
01:06:02,179 --> 01:06:09,940
If you look at the, the title of this is conflict of interest, that's up those things.

1504
01:06:09,940 --> 01:06:19,579
The state has come down and showed us that there are certain things that are black and white, not everything, but certain things like a slight board member can not have her job.

1505
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:21,800
We can't have it stay says no.

1506
01:06:22,590 --> 01:06:26,190
So when you investigate, that's an easy one, is there a conflict of interest?

1507
01:06:26,550 --> 01:06:28,889
Mike's running for town clerk or treasurer.

1508
01:06:29,130 --> 01:06:29,489
Nope.

1509
01:06:29,489 --> 01:06:30,269
Can't do it.

1510
01:06:30,869 --> 01:06:31,230
Okay.

1511
01:06:31,289 --> 01:06:31,829
So that.

1512
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:37,230
And that goes to where you were saying, well, you're on this committee, you're on this board, this board and this board.

1513
01:06:37,650 --> 01:06:40,469
If you look at it, the state telling us, can you do it?

1514
01:06:40,809 --> 01:06:42,090
The answer is yes.

1515
01:06:42,570 --> 01:06:44,550
Now you go to the ethics part of it.

1516
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:46,170
Is it ethically right?

1517
01:06:46,510 --> 01:06:49,289
You don't think it is okay.

1518
01:06:49,590 --> 01:06:52,710
And say, Sheila, when she was here, said, I think it is.

1519
01:06:53,110 --> 01:06:58,349
And neither one of us, neither Sheila, or you are saying that you're not calling out their integrity.

1520
01:06:58,949 --> 01:07:00,690
Next one thing was done is no one.

1521
01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:01,750
I I'll tell you.

1522
01:07:01,889 --> 01:07:06,389
When it is, I think you're one of the most honest guys ever.

1523
01:07:06,389 --> 01:07:09,929
We're also not making these laws for perception.

1524
01:07:09,929 --> 01:07:12,449
No, is what you guys are talking about.

1525
01:07:12,869 --> 01:07:15,329
And that goes back to the conflict of interest part of that.

1526
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:23,909
Is there a perception that Doug sitting on the board of select and Doug doing an investigation?

1527
01:07:23,969 --> 01:07:28,159
Is there a perception of a conflict?

1528
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,099
And if people decide there is.

1529
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,380
Then there could be a problem.

1530
01:07:34,860 --> 01:07:38,099
I'm not questioning his integrity or his honesty or anything.

1531
01:07:38,099 --> 01:07:39,000
I would have no problem.

1532
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,739
Go ahead and investigate me about that.

1533
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:41,340
Right.

1534
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:47,320
And that's the problem we're having though, is, is not everyone in this town are sitting at this meeting right now.

1535
01:07:47,340 --> 01:07:51,239
Not everyone in this town is interested in it until it hits them.

1536
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:57,659
And then they're going to come down and say, oh, what the hell might, then all it's two daughters and his son are on the committee.

1537
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,539
You know, we're investigating, they're investigating Mike.

1538
01:08:00,579 --> 01:08:01,420
That's not fair.

1539
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:02,059
You know?

1540
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:08,300
There's going to be conflict and we got to make sure we can kind of nip it in the bud.

1541
01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:10,079
And that's why I like more than one person.

1542
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:10,920
And I do agree.

1543
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:16,319
You could be on it, but you can also say, I recuse myself anything to do with the board.

1544
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:16,979
You're going to have to.

1545
01:08:17,039 --> 01:08:20,159
So let's go back to the first question.

1546
01:08:20,220 --> 01:08:21,640
We want to appoint three people.

1547
01:08:21,659 --> 01:08:22,260
Yes.

1548
01:08:23,079 --> 01:08:23,579
Right.

1549
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:24,260
Yeah.

1550
01:08:24,420 --> 01:08:24,920
Okay.

1551
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,159
And you want three cops on board?

1552
01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:28,699
No.

1553
01:08:30,859 --> 01:08:32,810
Uh, I.

1554
01:08:33,109 --> 01:08:39,829
Somebody from, I was thinking somebody from the public that has no connection with the town at all.

1555
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:44,689
Not on any boards, anything, and then maybe someone from a board.

1556
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:47,899
So that's my opinion.

1557
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:55,920
Should we ask for, I say we take whatever three show up with all Jim's not here on her own.

1558
01:08:56,399 --> 01:09:00,659
If he did or not say, yeah, maybe we should reach out to him and get him in black and white.

1559
01:09:00,659 --> 01:09:02,439
I think we should put something in the minutes.

1560
01:09:02,460 --> 01:09:03,640
Anyone interested?

1561
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,140
Let's give everybody a chance.

1562
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,979
We know Jim has expressed interest.

1563
01:09:08,979 --> 01:09:13,600
We know we've got a couple of people that are interested, but I want to be fair to the whole town.

1564
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:18,279
Maybe, maybe we've got a lot of people that want to be on this bedlock.

1565
01:09:19,460 --> 01:09:20,479
Then we appoint three.

1566
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:27,739
I hate to beat this up forever, but well, I don't know everything about it yet because it's new.

1567
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:33,439
So I do have the questions when the investigation comes on and say you deem the investigation.

1568
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:38,239
The three people on it go, yup, there's a problem.

1569
01:09:38,819 --> 01:09:40,340
Ethically, there's a problem.

1570
01:09:40,579 --> 01:09:41,000
Then what?

1571
01:09:41,420 --> 01:09:42,560
Then what do we do?

1572
01:09:42,939 --> 01:09:44,000
Do we spank them?

1573
01:09:44,060 --> 01:09:44,899
Do we punish them?

1574
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:46,880
There's some stuff in there.

1575
01:09:47,180 --> 01:09:48,020
It's coming.

1576
01:09:48,020 --> 01:09:49,159
There's some stuff in there.

1577
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:50,060
It's coming.

1578
01:09:50,060 --> 01:09:54,439
But I think the purpose of the investigation is not to deter them.

1579
01:09:54,739 --> 01:09:59,600
The purpose of the investigation is to gather facts and present them back to the state.

1580
01:09:59,659 --> 01:10:01,819
No, no, no, no.

1581
01:10:01,819 --> 01:10:02,720
Well, why don't we?

1582
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:02,779
Why?

1583
01:10:02,779 --> 01:10:03,260
We can do it.

1584
01:10:03,260 --> 01:10:03,359
We can do it.

1585
01:10:03,359 --> 01:10:03,420
We can do it.

1586
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,500
We can come through and say this is what we found.

1587
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,720
We have found a perceived conflict of interest, but here you go.

1588
01:10:09,460 --> 01:10:11,920
Because we can't, we're not the judgment.

1589
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:13,199
You're not the judgment.

1590
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,100
The state ultimately will make the decision if there's a conflict of interest.

1591
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:19,779
No, no, that's definitely not the way it works.

1592
01:10:20,079 --> 01:10:20,279
Nope.

1593
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:25,960
Well, like I said, I'm going to have to have a talk with her because apparently she told us a couple different things.

1594
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:29,800
I haven't been in contact with her as much as you appear to have.

1595
01:10:30,380 --> 01:10:33,300
But, no, the idea is ultimately.

1596
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:35,539
Ultimately, it comes back to the select board.

1597
01:10:35,539 --> 01:10:47,260
But the point is, the point is that gathering the facts, putting in some sort of a logical framework that they can be understood, and then present them to the board.

1598
01:10:47,539 --> 01:10:53,840
All's I'm saying as far as sending it up to the state, they may say, we don't see anything here.

1599
01:10:53,979 --> 01:10:54,939
Okay, that's fine.

1600
01:10:55,159 --> 01:11:01,060
Or they may say, yeah, there's a violation, and then that's where the investigation goes.

1601
01:11:01,060 --> 01:11:03,260
So, Doug, if they say they don't see anything.

1602
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:04,140
Then it's over?

1603
01:11:05,060 --> 01:11:06,479
I would think so.

1604
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,420
But if they say they see something, then we're ultimately the judge.

1605
01:11:09,859 --> 01:11:10,140
Yes.

1606
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:10,760
Yep.

1607
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:11,119
Yep.

1608
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:15,399
It goes to the investigating committee and then presented to the select board.

1609
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,239
That's what I was saying too last week.

1610
01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:21,300
I think that, I think we do have some level of ability to change these things preemptively.

1611
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,640
If we think it's a violation out there, we can sit here and change it.

1612
01:11:26,079 --> 01:11:33,340
No, but, see, this is what I'm saying, Kurt, is that if we have a process here, you know,

1613
01:11:33,380 --> 01:11:39,380
here we are talking about making a process, okay, we've got the process, now let's make some exceptions.

1614
01:11:39,380 --> 01:11:42,380
And that in itself raises questions or ethics.

1615
01:11:42,380 --> 01:11:43,380
That's what I'm trying to say.

1616
01:11:43,380 --> 01:11:46,380
But I do think some things are black and white.

1617
01:11:46,380 --> 01:11:52,380
Yeah, but again, like Mike said, what you think is black and white may not be what somebody else thinks.

1618
01:11:52,380 --> 01:11:58,380
This is why I'm so much on the process, is that, okay, here's the guidelines we follow,

1619
01:11:58,380 --> 01:12:02,380
and as long as we stick by those guidelines, we've done due diligence.

1620
01:12:02,380 --> 01:12:02,880
Nobody can.

1621
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:03,380
Okay.

1622
01:12:03,380 --> 01:12:04,380
Accuse us otherwise.

1623
01:12:04,380 --> 01:12:06,380
That's all my thought.

1624
01:12:06,380 --> 01:12:12,960
Okay, so if Laurie puts in the minutes, we're looking for someone to serve on this committee,

1625
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:17,140
get your resume in to us next meeting.

1626
01:12:17,140 --> 01:12:20,239
Is it really a committee, or is it just investigators?

1627
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:23,239
And then when that comes there, we hand it out to whoever.

1628
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:26,239
You really want a pool of potential investigators.

1629
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:27,239
Yeah, yes.

1630
01:12:27,239 --> 01:12:31,239
And there's no need for you to assign them until you have a problem.

1631
01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:32,239
Right.

1632
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:33,239
That's what we could do.

1633
01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:34,239
Okay, that's good.

1634
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:34,739
Jury pick.

1635
01:12:34,739 --> 01:12:37,739
That's a good way of doing it, yeah.

1636
01:12:37,739 --> 01:12:39,739
They can be different ones every time.

1637
01:12:39,739 --> 01:12:44,739
Right, because why would we appoint somebody that is friends with me?

1638
01:12:44,739 --> 01:12:46,739
If it's a violation against me, then you're going to pick somebody else.

1639
01:12:46,739 --> 01:12:52,739
At the time that it might happen, you may know that there are some of those people who have offered to be an investigator

1640
01:12:52,739 --> 01:12:55,739
who shouldn't be involved in that.

1641
01:12:55,739 --> 01:13:02,000
The long-term thing that's even worse is, I don't know who's going to make the decision,

1642
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,000
but there's legal ramifications once you make the decision.

1643
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:09,000
If somebody's not happy with it, if they're going to appeal it.

1644
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:10,000
Does somebody have someone?

1645
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:11,000
Somebody that's in here.

1646
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:18,000
If they claim that they've got financial loss or civil loss of causing the decision.

1647
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,000
Yeah, that's crazy.

1648
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,000
Somebody that is in here.

1649
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,000
One of the things is...

1650
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,000
I'm sorry.

1651
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,000
Oh, those are our tax dollars in there.

1652
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:32,000
I think I've seen a couple verbal complaints in the last ten years, but they kind of just,

1653
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,000
yeah, all right, well.

1654
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,000
It is what it is.

1655
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:40,000
But it almost sounds like this is going to open up a whole bunch of them.

1656
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,000
Oh, yeah.

1657
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:42,000
You know?

1658
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,000
We're so polarized now, I'd be surprised if it didn't open up.

1659
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,699
Yeah.

1660
01:13:46,699 --> 01:13:49,699
Okay, so we'll wait and see what happens there.

1661
01:13:49,699 --> 01:13:53,439
And we...

1662
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,439
Doug did the outline.

1663
01:13:55,439 --> 01:14:03,439
He's got a great outline based on an ordinance, which we have to figure out and adopt.

1664
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,439
But it should be ready by next meeting.

1665
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,439
And this is what we're going to post on the...

1666
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,439
There's a couple things we have to post online.

1667
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:12,439
Yes.

1668
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:13,439
Yep.

1669
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:14,439
Yep.

1670
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:15,439
We've still got the list of those.

1671
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:25,159
I think the ordinance was from VLCT, right?

1672
01:14:25,159 --> 01:14:28,159
That's where you got it from, yeah.

1673
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:30,159
Ethics, Investigation, and Enforcement.

1674
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:33,800
And it went along all with your outline.

1675
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:34,800
Okay.

1676
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,800
We'll work on that.

1677
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,439
See who we get for the pool.

1678
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:41,439
Ethics, Investigation, Pool.

1679
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:42,439
Yeah.

1680
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:43,439
That sounds good.

1681
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:44,689
All right.

1682
01:14:44,689 --> 01:14:45,689
Now...

1683
01:14:45,689 --> 01:14:46,689
I don't think so.

1684
01:14:46,689 --> 01:14:47,689
I don't think so.

1685
01:14:47,689 --> 01:14:50,640
Now we want to review the Conflict of Interest Policy.

1686
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,529
We've had this policy for years based on VLCT's model.

1687
01:14:53,529 --> 01:14:54,529
And this is just a newer model to...

1688
01:14:54,529 --> 01:14:55,529
Okay.

1689
01:14:55,529 --> 01:14:56,529
Okay.

1690
01:14:56,529 --> 01:14:57,529
Okay.

1691
01:14:57,529 --> 01:14:58,529
Okay.

1692
01:14:58,529 --> 01:14:59,880
Okay.

1693
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:00,880
Okay.

1694
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:01,880
Okay.

1695
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:02,880
Okay.

1696
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:03,880
Okay.

1697
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:04,880
Okay.

1698
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,720
Okay.

1699
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:07,720
Okay.

1700
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:08,720
Okay.

1701
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:09,720
Okay.

1702
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:10,810
Okay.

1703
01:15:10,810 --> 01:15:11,810
Okay.

1704
01:15:11,810 --> 01:15:14,409
Okay.

1705
01:15:14,409 --> 01:15:15,409
Okay.

1706
01:15:15,409 --> 01:15:16,409
Okay.

1707
01:15:16,409 --> 01:15:18,659
Okay.

1708
01:15:18,659 --> 01:15:19,659
Okay.

1709
01:15:19,659 --> 01:15:20,659
Okay.

1710
01:15:20,659 --> 01:15:22,680
Okay.

1711
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:23,680
Okay.

1712
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:24,680
Okay.

1713
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:25,680
Okay.

1714
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:26,680
Okay.

1715
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:27,680
Okay.

1716
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:28,680
Okay.

1717
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:29,750
Okay.

1718
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:30,750
Okay.

1719
01:15:30,750 --> 01:15:31,750
Okay.

1720
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:32,750
Okay.

1721
01:15:32,750 --> 01:15:33,750
Okay.

1722
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:34,750
Okay.

1723
01:15:34,750 --> 01:15:35,750
Okay.

1724
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:36,750
Okay.

1725
01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:51,350
Okay.

1726
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:53,470
Okay.

1727
01:15:53,470 --> 01:15:54,470
Okay.

1728
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:55,470
Okay.

1729
01:15:55,470 --> 01:15:56,470
Okay.

1730
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:57,470
Okay.

1731
01:15:57,470 --> 01:16:00,289
Okay.

1732
01:16:00,289 --> 01:16:01,289
Okay.

1733
01:16:01,289 --> 01:16:02,289
Okay.

1734
01:16:02,289 --> 01:16:03,930
Okay.

1735
01:16:03,930 --> 01:16:04,930
Okay.

1736
01:16:04,930 --> 01:16:08,810
Okay.

1737
01:16:08,810 --> 01:16:36,420
when the email came in

1738
01:16:36,420 --> 01:16:37,819
I read the subject

1739
01:16:37,819 --> 01:16:39,439
that's all I've talked about tonight

1740
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,390
I did Frank

1741
01:16:41,390 --> 01:16:43,859
thank you

1742
01:16:43,859 --> 01:16:46,399
Doug read it

1743
01:16:46,399 --> 01:16:47,640
very close

1744
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:50,489
I don't know what we got to say

1745
01:16:50,489 --> 01:16:51,310
what should we say

1746
01:16:51,310 --> 01:17:03,659
with

1747
01:17:03,659 --> 01:17:05,659
the correction

1748
01:17:05,659 --> 01:17:07,340
with the correction

1749
01:17:07,340 --> 01:17:28,989
I have a question

1750
01:17:28,989 --> 01:17:30,029
Doug maybe you can answer

1751
01:17:30,029 --> 01:17:33,090
there's a difference between boards

1752
01:17:33,090 --> 01:17:35,729
appointed boards

1753
01:17:35,729 --> 01:17:36,510
versus

1754
01:17:36,510 --> 01:17:39,029
elected

1755
01:17:39,029 --> 01:17:40,010
positions

1756
01:17:40,010 --> 01:17:42,840
what do you do when there's an elected

1757
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,840
official who does something wrong

1758
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,140
and they're elected by the public

1759
01:17:46,140 --> 01:17:48,000
how do you discipline them

1760
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,239
that's in here

1761
01:17:49,239 --> 01:17:51,420
it can be

1762
01:17:51,420 --> 01:17:52,180
an

1763
01:17:52,180 --> 01:17:52,300
individual

1764
01:17:52,300 --> 01:17:52,319
it can be

1765
01:17:52,319 --> 01:17:55,579
a member of the board

1766
01:17:55,579 --> 01:17:58,539
can volunteer to take that person aside

1767
01:17:58,539 --> 01:18:00,220
and try to talk with them about it

1768
01:18:00,220 --> 01:18:01,359
resolve it that way

1769
01:18:01,359 --> 01:18:03,479
there can be

1770
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,340
like I said a public

1771
01:18:05,340 --> 01:18:07,180
or private censure

1772
01:18:07,180 --> 01:18:09,699
depending on what the person who's

1773
01:18:09,699 --> 01:18:11,520
accused wants

1774
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:12,939
and

1775
01:18:12,939 --> 01:18:14,239
ultimately

1776
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:17,609
I guess you would have to

1777
01:18:17,609 --> 01:18:19,189
it's not in here

1778
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:20,810
but the only way to

1779
01:18:20,810 --> 01:18:22,970
remove an elected

1780
01:18:22,970 --> 01:18:24,970
official is

1781
01:18:24,970 --> 01:18:26,470
it's like an election

1782
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:28,470
you've got to get a certain number of people

1783
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:29,710
I forget what the percentage is

1784
01:18:29,710 --> 01:18:30,970
something like 30%

1785
01:18:30,970 --> 01:18:32,470
66%

1786
01:18:32,470 --> 01:18:34,729
it's a pretty high percentage

1787
01:18:34,729 --> 01:18:37,729
you have to get like that signed by the people

1788
01:18:37,729 --> 01:18:38,729
I'm not positive

1789
01:18:38,729 --> 01:18:40,229
it's up there

1790
01:18:40,229 --> 01:18:41,229
it's high

1791
01:18:41,229 --> 01:18:44,229
and then we have a special election

1792
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:45,229
with whether the people

1793
01:18:45,229 --> 01:18:46,229
it's like an impeachment almost

1794
01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:47,229
right

1795
01:18:47,229 --> 01:18:48,229
yeah

1796
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:49,229
vote them out

1797
01:18:49,229 --> 01:18:50,229
vote them out

1798
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:51,229
but that's the only way

1799
01:18:51,229 --> 01:18:52,229
it can be all

1800
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:54,130
but there's a bunch of

1801
01:18:54,130 --> 01:18:55,640
less

1802
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,260
less strenuous things here

1803
01:18:57,260 --> 01:18:58,260
yeah

1804
01:18:58,260 --> 01:18:59,260
and hopefully

1805
01:18:59,260 --> 01:19:00,260
we can sign it

1806
01:19:00,260 --> 01:19:01,260
and I'm not even sure we're going to

1807
01:19:01,260 --> 01:19:02,359
get

1808
01:19:02,359 --> 01:19:03,359
that many of them

1809
01:19:03,359 --> 01:19:04,359
I mean maybe

1810
01:19:04,359 --> 01:19:05,359
I mean as far as complaints

1811
01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:06,359
we've gotten one so far

1812
01:19:06,359 --> 01:19:07,390
and this wasn't even

1813
01:19:07,390 --> 01:19:11,039
okay

1814
01:19:11,039 --> 01:19:13,760
so we didn't place yet

1815
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,760
you um

1816
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,539
John made a motion to sign it

1817
01:19:18,539 --> 01:19:19,539
right

1818
01:19:19,539 --> 01:19:20,670
yep

1819
01:19:20,670 --> 01:19:21,670
Do I have a second

1820
01:19:21,670 --> 01:19:22,670
second

1821
01:19:22,670 --> 01:19:23,670
all in favor

1822
01:19:23,670 --> 01:19:26,479
aye

1823
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:32,789
So we'll get this signed for next meeting, and it will be in effect as of tonight.

1824
01:19:34,939 --> 01:19:37,060
Oh, wait, we better wait until we sign it.

1825
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:42,079
Update it two weeks from now when you sign it, and then it will be official then.

1826
01:19:42,079 --> 01:19:42,479
Yep.

1827
01:19:43,869 --> 01:19:50,329
And like you said, it came right off the VLCT website, so hopefully they know what the law is.

1828
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:53,300
Okay.

1829
01:19:54,140 --> 01:19:57,100
Review transfer station monitor job description.

1830
01:19:57,100 --> 01:20:09,380
We saw the old one that said they have to check for stickers on the car, so that's been out for quite a while.

1831
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:18,100
They're required to wear the protective equipment such as face shield and gloves, and don't need that anymore.

1832
01:20:19,689 --> 01:20:22,350
Dave, Lori, and I went over this the other day.

1833
01:20:27,279 --> 01:20:29,340
Dave's suggestions, Lori's suggestions.

1834
01:20:29,340 --> 01:20:34,880
This transfer station is open to the public every Saturday from 8 to 12 noon, summer hours beginning.

1835
01:20:35,359 --> 01:20:40,600
Ending last Wednesday in October are from 3 to 6.

1836
01:20:42,460 --> 01:20:42,920
Okay.

1837
01:20:43,319 --> 01:20:53,439
Principal duties of the transfer station monitor arrive 15 minutes early to set up the compost and aluminum, glass, et cetera, disposal barrels.

1838
01:20:55,109 --> 01:20:56,390
Was there another barrel there?

1839
01:20:57,529 --> 01:20:59,130
No, we're looking for an old barrel.

1840
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,760
Just say aluminum, glass, et cetera.

1841
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:09,279
In winter months, check for icy areas, sand and salt is needed.

1842
01:21:10,949 --> 01:21:11,510
I'm not sure.

1843
01:21:11,850 --> 01:21:12,810
I'm sure we need number three.

1844
01:21:13,409 --> 01:21:16,909
Monitor the operation of the transfer station in Stanford, Vermont.

1845
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:17,630
Well.

1846
01:21:17,989 --> 01:21:18,670
Isn't that the job?

1847
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:21,060
Yes.

1848
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:22,180
Take it out.

1849
01:21:24,939 --> 01:21:26,420
You've got to renumber all it.

1850
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,359
It's a computer.

1851
01:21:28,619 --> 01:21:29,279
It doesn't use it.

1852
01:21:29,300 --> 01:21:30,439
It's a transfer station monitor.

1853
01:21:30,739 --> 01:21:33,359
You probably would assume that you'd have to monitor the transfer station.

1854
01:21:33,359 --> 01:21:33,800
You think?

1855
01:21:34,359 --> 01:21:34,699
Yeah.

1856
01:21:36,069 --> 01:21:41,130
Provide guidance for proper separation and disposal of a variety of materials.

1857
01:21:41,869 --> 01:21:45,250
Collect appropriate fees for all demolition material.

1858
01:21:45,369 --> 01:21:45,670
Applying.

1859
01:21:45,689 --> 01:21:47,250
We'll talk about that later.

1860
01:21:48,029 --> 01:21:49,909
I want to be very careful about the fact that this is a question.

1861
01:21:49,909 --> 01:22:15,380
Look at the

1862
01:22:15,380 --> 01:22:16,000
Mayfield area.

1863
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,409
It's a very complicated area.

1864
01:22:18,409 --> 01:22:19,770
Every property in the state has a ley.

1865
01:22:19,770 --> 01:22:20,630
What was it?

1866
01:22:20,630 --> 01:22:21,930
Maybe the last time we settled.

1867
01:22:21,930 --> 01:22:23,539
I'm not sure.

1868
01:22:23,539 --> 01:22:24,140
Say again.

1869
01:22:24,140 --> 01:22:29,739
of townspeople not complying with the recycling regulations and report same to the select board

1870
01:22:29,739 --> 01:22:35,880
or town office because should we call them all patrons or townspeople can we pick one

1871
01:22:37,899 --> 01:22:50,060
patrons because we have patrons up there right punch card yeah yeah because some are uh

1872
01:22:51,619 --> 01:22:56,579
second homeowners that have buy the punch cards can you get a uh punch card if you're not a

1873
01:22:56,579 --> 01:23:02,090
resident of stanford yes the second homeowner so what about if you don't have them

1874
01:23:04,170 --> 01:23:12,760
no do they need a house if you have a man absolutely you can't just come from north

1875
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:19,000
adams you have to be a taxpayer right well taxpayers land but it's partially funded by

1876
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:24,760
taxpayers right this isn't fully fun it should be you're right if you just don't land then

1877
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,680
you're paying taxes yeah right right

1878
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:29,079
right

1879
01:23:29,399 --> 01:23:33,159
land and you're bringing your trash up from north adams there's not much you can do about it

1880
01:23:34,199 --> 01:23:38,439
i don't remember what the recycling rules say if you have to have a well i just don't like

1881
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:43,939
a north adams you can buy it yeah you can buy an out of state or yeah you can buy a permit

1882
01:23:45,220 --> 01:23:51,859
there's an extra fee correct yeah i don't think we do though i don't think so yeah we shouldn't

1883
01:23:51,859 --> 01:23:57,060
no i think we had this discussion back as it related to contractors working in town right

1884
01:23:57,060 --> 01:23:59,859
well that was cheaper to really allow their position

1885
01:24:00,100 --> 01:24:06,260
yeah other sites it had to be resident right you know you you don't yeah that's what i mean you

1886
01:24:06,260 --> 01:24:10,260
don't want to the tires getting rid of the tires up here is cheaper than going anywhere else

1887
01:24:10,899 --> 01:24:15,460
you know all of a sudden i'm going hey i would take all your tires for six bucks bring them up

1888
01:24:15,460 --> 01:24:20,199
here and sell them for five bucks you know or get rid of them for five making a dollar

1889
01:24:22,199 --> 01:24:31,000
people will do that stuff that's called you don't want to so it could happen though so is it townspeople or patrons

1890
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:38,029
Patrons, because we do, second home owners up in Alkenwald buy tickets, right?

1891
01:24:38,029 --> 01:24:43,029
I think a person that owns a camp or a piece of land and they want to bring a bag of, you know, leaves or junk,

1892
01:24:43,029 --> 01:24:49,029
well, I mean, we have people picking up stuff up there at the camps, I mean, it's good that they're doing it, don't tell them no.

1893
01:24:49,029 --> 01:24:50,029
Right.

1894
01:24:50,029 --> 01:24:53,130
You know, they could just leave it up there.

1895
01:24:53,130 --> 01:24:55,130
So it should be a resident or a property owner?

1896
01:24:55,130 --> 01:24:58,449
Yeah, property owner, yeah.

1897
01:24:58,449 --> 01:25:02,829
Do you ever have old people that use it too?

1898
01:25:02,829 --> 01:25:06,689
Sure.

1899
01:25:06,689 --> 01:25:08,689
So change it to patrons.

1900
01:25:08,689 --> 01:25:10,689
You've never had any big problems, I know.

1901
01:25:10,689 --> 01:25:13,689
Keep recycling yard neat and orderly.

1902
01:25:13,689 --> 01:25:17,869
Another spelling? Oh, Doug did it.

1903
01:25:17,869 --> 01:25:19,869
Oh, no, no, no, no.

1904
01:25:19,869 --> 01:25:24,869
Responsible to the select board and road commissioner for supervision and guidance.

1905
01:25:24,869 --> 01:25:31,770
I'd like to switch that around, do road commissioner first and then select board, because Dave is probably there.

1906
01:25:31,770 --> 01:25:32,770
They're there.

1907
01:25:32,770 --> 01:25:34,770
They probably see Dave more than us.

1908
01:25:34,770 --> 01:25:39,500
Might catch you on a Wednesday or a Saturday morning.

1909
01:25:39,500 --> 01:25:48,010
Stay 15 minutes after closing to put away barrels and close up the transfer station.

1910
01:25:48,010 --> 01:26:03,069
And 13, perform other related duties as determined by the road commissioner and select board.

1911
01:26:03,069 --> 01:26:06,069
Anything else we want to add to this that we can think of?

1912
01:26:06,069 --> 01:26:13,949
Okay, so date it and sign it.

1913
01:26:13,949 --> 01:26:16,550
We'll all sign it.

1914
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:19,350
Next meeting.

1915
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:23,350
Can I have a motion to approve as corrected?

1916
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:25,060
Motion to move.

1917
01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:26,060
Second.

1918
01:26:26,060 --> 01:26:27,060
All in favor?

1919
01:26:27,060 --> 01:26:28,470
Aye.

1920
01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:33,579
Then we'll give a copy to the...

1921
01:26:33,579 --> 01:26:35,899
Yeah, maybe hang it up in a little shed too.

1922
01:26:35,899 --> 01:26:36,899
Oh, good idea.

1923
01:26:36,899 --> 01:26:37,899
Good idea.

1924
01:26:37,899 --> 01:26:47,189
FEMA update.

1925
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:48,189
Lori.

1926
01:26:48,189 --> 01:27:06,289
I state the remaining $60,000 of road damages that we've been working for for, what, two years now?

1927
01:27:06,289 --> 01:27:09,380
So I'm really happy about that.

1928
01:27:09,380 --> 01:27:27,899
The only thing that they still owe is the Category Z, which is mine and David's time administering the grants, taking them around, measuring the road and different pieces of information that we put together.

1929
01:27:27,899 --> 01:27:32,899
And so Matt taking pictures, the guardrail problems he was involved in a lot.

1930
01:27:32,899 --> 01:27:35,899
So all of that administrative time was added.

1931
01:27:35,899 --> 01:27:36,899
So they did another $4,800.

1932
01:27:36,899 --> 01:27:37,899
So that is the only thing at this point we're waiting for.

1933
01:27:37,899 --> 01:27:38,899
They probably dragged the fee.

1934
01:27:38,899 --> 01:27:39,899
Hope you dropped the call.

1935
01:27:39,899 --> 01:27:40,899
Yep.

1936
01:27:40,899 --> 01:27:41,899
Well, think about it.

1937
01:27:41,899 --> 01:27:42,899
If you drag your fee on every single piece of property in this country, this is national, for two years and put that in the bank, that's pretty good money.

1938
01:27:42,899 --> 01:27:43,899
We've been fighting and arguing.

1939
01:27:43,899 --> 01:27:44,899
Yeah.

1940
01:27:44,899 --> 01:27:47,140
Yeah.

1941
01:27:47,140 --> 01:27:48,140
Yep.

1942
01:27:48,140 --> 01:27:49,140
It's just so ridiculous.

1943
01:27:49,140 --> 01:27:50,140
I mean, there's better things to do.

1944
01:27:50,140 --> 01:27:51,140
Yeah.

1945
01:27:51,140 --> 01:27:52,140
Yeah.

1946
01:27:52,140 --> 01:27:53,140
Yeah.

1947
01:27:53,140 --> 01:27:54,140
Yeah.

1948
01:27:54,140 --> 01:27:55,140
Yeah.

1949
01:27:55,140 --> 01:27:56,140
Yeah.

1950
01:27:56,140 --> 01:27:57,140
Yeah.

1951
01:27:57,140 --> 01:27:58,140
Yeah.

1952
01:27:58,140 --> 01:27:59,140
Yeah.

1953
01:27:59,140 --> 01:28:00,140
Yeah.

1954
01:28:00,140 --> 01:28:01,140
Yeah.

1955
01:28:01,140 --> 01:28:02,140
Yeah.

1956
01:28:02,140 --> 01:28:03,140
Yeah.

1957
01:28:03,140 --> 01:28:04,140
Yeah.

1958
01:28:04,140 --> 01:28:05,140
Yeah.

1959
01:28:05,140 --> 01:28:06,140
Yeah.

1960
01:28:06,140 --> 01:28:07,140
Yeah.

1961
01:28:07,140 --> 01:28:08,140
Yeah.

1962
01:28:08,140 --> 01:28:09,140
Yeah.

1963
01:28:09,140 --> 01:28:10,140
Although, some of the other projects have been way over two years.

1964
01:28:10,140 --> 01:28:11,210
Yeah.

1965
01:28:11,210 --> 01:28:15,449
I mean, they want to go to the tack and try to measure the holes that have been

1966
01:28:15,449 --> 01:28:16,449
filled in for.

1967
01:28:16,449 --> 01:28:17,449
Yeah.

1968
01:28:17,449 --> 01:28:19,670
How you supposed to do that?

1969
01:28:19,670 --> 01:28:21,350
How much dirt is in the hole?

1970
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:23,550
Dig a hole measure it and put it back in.

1971
01:28:23,550 --> 01:28:24,550
Yeah.

1972
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:25,550
How much dirt is in the hole?

1973
01:28:25,550 --> 01:28:26,550
Three feet by two feet.

1974
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:27,569
We dug a hole.

1975
01:28:27,569 --> 01:28:32,130
He had to spring all of it in.

1976
01:28:32,130 --> 01:28:33,350
We dug a hole.

1977
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:34,350
There's don't dirt in it.

1978
01:28:34,350 --> 01:28:36,210
But we bought this much dirt.

1979
01:28:36,210 --> 01:28:37,590
It all went on this roll.

1980
01:28:38,590 --> 01:28:39,989
Beth, figure out the hole.

1981
01:28:41,729 --> 01:28:44,890
Sub-base and the top-base and the rock-base.

1982
01:28:45,069 --> 01:28:45,869
I mean, it's crazy.

1983
01:28:47,029 --> 01:28:48,430
Laura, you can go out and work on the red one.

1984
01:28:51,229 --> 01:28:53,369
Okay, that's good.

1985
01:28:53,449 --> 01:28:55,069
We'll watch for Category Z.

1986
01:28:56,090 --> 01:28:57,989
What else do we have under discussion?

1987
01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:59,789
Dog or mowing bed?

1988
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:05,319
I don't see those on here.

1989
01:29:05,319 --> 01:29:07,699
But we added them under new business.

1990
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:08,000
Oh.

1991
01:29:12,850 --> 01:29:17,949
The mowing bed, did anybody contact you today about the mowing bed?

1992
01:29:18,529 --> 01:29:18,670
Okay.

1993
01:29:20,369 --> 01:29:22,449
Why, did we have somebody new that wants to do it?

1994
01:29:22,569 --> 01:29:26,159
There's a Chad Lawrence, maybe?

1995
01:29:26,539 --> 01:29:26,800
Yeah.

1996
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:28,079
Something like that.

1997
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:30,779
That was talking about it.

1998
01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:34,460
I just sent an email or a message to his father.

1999
01:29:36,149 --> 01:29:37,550
And I said, just give love.

2000
01:29:37,750 --> 01:29:39,329
And he said, you already called and put it on the list.

2001
01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:45,329
I didn't know if he, I don't have his contact, so I figured if he could call, he would put it himself on the list.

2002
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:50,520
But if he didn't and you want him, I guess he's just started up, he's new.

2003
01:29:51,100 --> 01:29:54,060
Let's look at the mowing bid then while we're talking about it.

2004
01:29:57,300 --> 01:29:59,720
When do we want to accept the mowing bid?

2005
01:30:04,119 --> 01:30:05,119
The mid-April one?

2006
01:30:06,659 --> 01:30:07,399
We need it soon.

2007
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:08,779
It's on the cleanup calendar.

2008
01:30:08,859 --> 01:30:09,399
Yes.

2009
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:11,899
Yeah, I would say that's tough for repeating the cloud damage.

2010
01:30:11,979 --> 01:30:12,279
Yeah.

2011
01:30:12,899 --> 01:30:14,779
Before things start growing and.

2012
01:30:15,039 --> 01:30:16,319
Can we do it by next meeting?

2013
01:30:19,789 --> 01:30:20,310
Kind of tight.

2014
01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:21,710
You didn't even send it out yet, right?

2015
01:30:21,930 --> 01:30:22,170
No.

2016
01:30:22,489 --> 01:30:24,729
No, once you guys approve it, it can be sent out.

2017
01:30:24,810 --> 01:30:28,829
Yeah, I'd say get it sent out two weeks and see what we get.

2018
01:30:29,210 --> 01:30:29,350
Yeah.

2019
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:30,930
Have it here by April 3rd?

2020
01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:32,560
Yes.

2021
01:30:33,079 --> 01:30:33,619
Oh, Christ.

2022
01:30:33,899 --> 01:30:38,619
Not to step on your toes, Dave, but is that something you and Mike could potentially do?

2023
01:30:39,119 --> 01:30:39,859
Probably not.

2024
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:41,800
He was just saying.

2025
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:42,520
Probably not.

2026
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:43,640
I mean, you've got to realize that.

2027
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,359
It's going to look terrible.

2028
01:30:45,359 --> 01:30:45,720
I'm going to go right back.

2029
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,340
Right now, I'm fixing them up.

2030
01:30:47,380 --> 01:30:49,819
I've got to go spread the gravel over all the stuff we've fixed.

2031
01:30:50,039 --> 01:30:52,520
I've got to create every single road in town.

2032
01:30:53,439 --> 01:31:00,680
I personally, I don't understand why the janitor that does the lawn, or the snow removal

2033
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:01,920
can't pick up the front yard.

2034
01:31:02,300 --> 01:31:02,819
Rich did.

2035
01:31:03,180 --> 01:31:03,420
Yeah.

2036
01:31:03,420 --> 01:31:03,800
Rich did.

2037
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:04,439
Rich did.

2038
01:31:05,159 --> 01:31:07,960
Yeah, simply just putting the sod backwards has got to go.

2039
01:31:08,199 --> 01:31:12,199
I mean, listen, if you guys want to direct me to do it, I'll come down and do it.

2040
01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:13,100
I'm not going to fight you.

2041
01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:14,840
I just know that I'm not going to be.

2042
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,180
I'm doing the stuff I need to be doing.

2043
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:21,840
And then you're going to have roads start washing away because the rains start, and

2044
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:23,500
I didn't get around the green, you know.

2045
01:31:24,060 --> 01:31:25,079
It's a matter of priorities.

2046
01:31:25,220 --> 01:31:28,180
The front lawn is not on my head list.

2047
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:30,199
I mean, it just looks kind of sloppy.

2048
01:31:30,199 --> 01:31:31,439
Yeah, no doubt about it.

2049
01:31:31,460 --> 01:31:32,579
So isn't there your own town?

2050
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:34,800
Yeah, it's not the only one in town, man.

2051
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:35,199
Yeah.

2052
01:31:37,340 --> 01:31:37,699
Okay.

2053
01:31:37,699 --> 01:31:39,439
You need to have a sooner site visit.

2054
01:31:41,079 --> 01:31:46,819
Enough time to get these out for the site visit, and then have them have time to get

2055
01:31:46,819 --> 01:31:47,439
their bed back.

2056
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:47,800
Right.

2057
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:52,380
How long do you figure it takes to get through the mail nowadays to the people?

2058
01:31:52,899 --> 01:31:53,500
Oh, God.

2059
01:31:56,380 --> 01:31:57,039
So Monday.

2060
01:31:57,260 --> 01:31:58,359
They'll probably get it Monday.

2061
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,640
If it's the same one bedder every year, do we have to have a site visit?

2062
01:32:02,859 --> 01:32:06,880
Well, if it is, then I'll probably have four or five of them this year.

2063
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:07,220
Yeah.

2064
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:08,979
So why don't we make the site visit?

2065
01:32:09,140 --> 01:32:13,720
So if they sent it out to four or five last year, it was like him and myself were doing

2066
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:14,960
one that was part of the deck.

2067
01:32:16,319 --> 01:32:18,159
Next Thursday is the 27th.

2068
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:19,439
3-27?

2069
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:19,899
Yep.

2070
01:32:19,899 --> 01:32:20,539
Yep.

2071
01:32:20,779 --> 01:32:21,600
And 3-28?

2072
01:32:22,699 --> 01:32:27,479
I have a question about the ditch that runs along this fence line here.

2073
01:32:27,739 --> 01:32:32,899
There's a ditch to where Nancy's parked currently, and then it's just like the ditch

2074
01:32:32,899 --> 01:32:36,060
to nowhere, and it just runs into the parking lot.

2075
01:32:36,699 --> 01:32:40,619
So when you're talking about cleaning out the ditchway, are we just cleaning out that

2076
01:32:40,619 --> 01:32:45,539
short portion of the ditch, or are we trying to fix the ditch problem?

2077
01:32:46,100 --> 01:32:50,479
I mean, it really kind of just runs into the fence.

2078
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:55,479
You can clean it out, but it slowly does drain.

2079
01:32:56,260 --> 01:33:02,010
I mean, at one point, I did have it draining, and it's just not perfect.

2080
01:33:02,210 --> 01:33:04,729
I mean, unless you're going to run a ditch all the way down on the road.

2081
01:33:05,069 --> 01:33:06,750
The ditch is just like cleaning out the ditch.

2082
01:33:06,750 --> 01:33:08,750
Yeah, so the ditch is just like that.

2083
01:33:08,789 --> 01:33:09,609
Pick it up with the sticks.

2084
01:33:09,829 --> 01:33:11,550
You're not coming up to ask me anything like that.

2085
01:33:12,069 --> 01:33:17,609
If the bees were raked out of it every year, it would still be functioning fairly well,

2086
01:33:17,609 --> 01:33:22,109
but I think they kind of dropped the ball on it for a few years.

2087
01:33:22,329 --> 01:33:26,869
They really weren't dealing with it, and I don't think Sheila wanted to deal with it

2088
01:33:26,869 --> 01:33:27,350
at all.

2089
01:33:27,789 --> 01:33:28,270
I don't.

2090
01:33:28,890 --> 01:33:30,609
Did Rich deal with it, you think?

2091
01:33:31,630 --> 01:33:31,909
I don't know.

2092
01:33:31,909 --> 01:33:35,789
I think Rich did a lot of things that he didn't just even mention.

2093
01:33:36,090 --> 01:33:36,670
Right, right.

2094
01:33:36,670 --> 01:33:40,750
He probably saw the water wasn't flowing, so he went over it with a shovel, and the

2095
01:33:40,750 --> 01:33:42,350
artist was dedicated to the job.

2096
01:33:42,569 --> 01:33:45,149
Going back to what we talked about a million times.

2097
01:33:45,250 --> 01:33:45,430
Yeah.

2098
01:33:45,970 --> 01:33:49,890
It says, remove debris from ditch along fence on northern line of property.

2099
01:33:49,890 --> 01:33:51,550
So the fence goes down pretty far.

2100
01:33:51,550 --> 01:33:53,810
So if they remove the debris from there.

2101
01:33:54,250 --> 01:33:54,729
Yeah.

2102
01:33:55,029 --> 01:33:56,770
There's really no ditch over there.

2103
01:33:56,869 --> 01:33:58,810
It's just the edge of the parking lot.

2104
01:33:58,829 --> 01:33:59,310
Is that a state ditch?

2105
01:33:59,529 --> 01:34:00,489
Is that a highway ditch?

2106
01:34:00,930 --> 01:34:01,949
Well, yeah.

2107
01:34:02,270 --> 01:34:04,750
I was told the highway, the state water.

2108
01:34:04,750 --> 01:34:05,270
It's always up there.

2109
01:34:05,710 --> 01:34:08,170
Then there's like a 50-foot ditch, but then it just stops.

2110
01:34:08,609 --> 01:34:14,279
So they should, I mean, they actually did dig that out with our excavator at one point,

2111
01:34:14,420 --> 01:34:17,520
probably, you know, seven, eight years ago, something like that.

2112
01:34:17,579 --> 01:34:20,600
It just leaves and sticks and everything builds up.

2113
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:21,220
And it's not.

2114
01:34:21,579 --> 01:34:25,409
It's basically collecting all the flow from seven, seven, right?

2115
01:34:25,409 --> 01:34:25,810
Yeah.

2116
01:34:25,810 --> 01:34:29,609
And there's, there's branches in there now, a couple of big, big branches.

2117
01:34:29,609 --> 01:34:34,010
The leaves are big time, you know, once the leaves get in there and then they start rotting

2118
01:34:34,010 --> 01:34:39,600
and the sticks, it's just, it's something that should be probably raked out and cleaned

2119
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:44,420
out and every spring, you know, it wouldn't be as much of an issue, but.

2120
01:34:46,100 --> 01:34:50,979
So site visit 27th or 28th, I will not be here either day.

2121
01:34:50,979 --> 01:34:52,279
I'll do Wednesday.

2122
01:34:53,699 --> 01:34:57,800
Wednesday, I mean, that doesn't have to be stuff for a meeting right there, so.

2123
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:03,500
No, any select board member could come that's familiar with the lawn and where it's got to be mowed.

2124
01:35:03,500 --> 01:35:08,109
I mean, I can try to be here, when was it?

2125
01:35:08,109 --> 01:35:13,310
It's Thursday or Friday next week at five o'clock, or whatever time you choose.

2126
01:35:13,310 --> 01:35:19,829
I think a big part of the issue down here is we really haven't paid the lawyer a lot to have it done.

2127
01:35:19,829 --> 01:35:22,329
I think John said it's the first place we've been paying.

2128
01:35:22,329 --> 01:35:23,430
Yeah, that's what I mean.

2129
01:35:23,430 --> 01:35:24,270
You're lucky you're getting anything.

2130
01:35:24,270 --> 01:35:24,369
Yeah.

2131
01:35:24,430 --> 01:35:29,229
You're lucky for everything that you really want to have done here, you're going to have to pay more.

2132
01:35:29,229 --> 01:35:29,729
Right.

2133
01:35:29,729 --> 01:35:37,699
I know we put a line item in the select board report budget, but I know we're going to go over that,

2134
01:35:37,699 --> 01:35:42,729
because we have no idea, and we can't hold them to that.

2135
01:35:42,729 --> 01:35:46,229
What do we charge, $3,000 or whatever it is?

2136
01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:50,829
No, but one, you know, we were, last year we said let's do this.

2137
01:35:50,829 --> 01:35:54,130
Now, if you start adding stuff, of course it's going to go over, you know.

2138
01:35:54,130 --> 01:35:54,930
Yeah.

2139
01:35:54,930 --> 01:35:55,970
Well, they didn't do the deck.

2140
01:35:55,970 --> 01:35:57,970
Well, it didn't say that before, now it does.

2141
01:35:57,970 --> 01:35:58,470
That's right.

2142
01:35:58,470 --> 01:36:03,470
You know, we'd eat around the thing, you know, there's more to it.

2143
01:36:03,470 --> 01:36:03,970
Yeah.

2144
01:36:03,970 --> 01:36:10,970
And we keep complaining about the guy, he's just going to, you know, I would complain if he was doing a bad job,

2145
01:36:10,970 --> 01:36:19,100
but when we complain that the guy's not doing things that weren't on his list, and we're only paying him that much money,

2146
01:36:19,100 --> 01:36:22,100
pretty soon it's going to go, I don't need this job.

2147
01:36:22,100 --> 01:36:24,100
Here's the price figure.

2148
01:36:24,100 --> 01:36:25,100
Yeah, there's really.

2149
01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:25,939
Oh.

2150
01:36:25,939 --> 01:36:28,939
There's no money in mowing Stanford's lawn, you know.

2151
01:36:28,939 --> 01:36:29,939
No.

2152
01:36:29,939 --> 01:36:30,939
So, Kurt, you want to be here on the.

2153
01:36:30,939 --> 01:36:32,939
27th at what time?

2154
01:36:32,939 --> 01:36:33,939
What time?

2155
01:36:33,939 --> 01:36:34,939
You pick.

2156
01:36:34,939 --> 01:36:35,939
5?

2157
01:36:35,939 --> 01:36:36,939
Yeah.

2158
01:36:36,939 --> 01:36:37,939
6?

2159
01:36:37,939 --> 01:36:38,939
5.30.

2160
01:36:38,939 --> 01:36:39,939
Say 5.30.

2161
01:36:39,939 --> 01:36:40,939
5.30.

2162
01:36:40,939 --> 01:36:41,939
Okay.

2163
01:36:41,939 --> 01:36:43,130
Really, it should be part of the janitor's job.

2164
01:36:43,130 --> 01:36:44,130
Yeah.

2165
01:36:44,130 --> 01:36:45,130
That should be part of the summer job.

2166
01:36:45,130 --> 01:36:46,130
I said that.

2167
01:36:46,130 --> 01:36:47,130
Billings and Brown, Billings and Brown.

2168
01:36:47,130 --> 01:36:48,130
You know.

2169
01:36:48,130 --> 01:36:49,130
Every other school.

2170
01:36:49,130 --> 01:36:50,130
Clarksboro used to be.

2171
01:36:50,130 --> 01:36:51,130
I don't know if it still is, but when I was there.

2172
01:36:51,130 --> 01:36:52,130
Yeah, you'd have to get them a lawnmower.

2173
01:36:52,130 --> 01:36:53,130
Yeah.

2174
01:36:53,130 --> 01:36:54,130
And a place to park it.

2175
01:36:54,130 --> 01:36:55,130
Sure.

2176
01:36:55,130 --> 01:36:56,130
So, it just seems like.

2177
01:36:56,130 --> 01:36:57,130
Yeah.

2178
01:36:57,130 --> 01:36:58,130
Some of these things down here that we really.

2179
01:36:58,130 --> 01:36:59,130
Should be done, but they haven't been done.

2180
01:36:59,130 --> 01:37:00,130
Oh, I look at it like this.

2181
01:37:00,130 --> 01:37:01,380
You got a janitor in the wintertime, shoveling snow, snow blowing.

2182
01:37:01,380 --> 01:37:02,380
And in the summertime, what's he doing?

2183
01:37:02,380 --> 01:37:03,380
But then you're going to have another janitor.

2184
01:37:03,380 --> 01:37:04,380
You're going to put one guy.

2185
01:37:04,380 --> 01:37:05,380
Right.

2186
01:37:05,380 --> 01:37:06,380
We need a Forrest Gump.

2187
01:37:06,380 --> 01:37:07,380
That's what we need.

2188
01:37:07,380 --> 01:37:08,380
Yeah.

2189
01:37:08,380 --> 01:37:09,380
Yeah.

2190
01:37:09,380 --> 01:37:10,380
We're here 40 hours a week, all year long.

2191
01:37:10,380 --> 01:37:11,380
Is that, does he 40 hours a week?

2192
01:37:11,380 --> 01:37:12,380
Yeah.

2193
01:37:12,380 --> 01:37:13,380
Yeah.

2194
01:37:13,380 --> 01:37:14,380
Yeah.

2195
01:37:14,380 --> 01:37:15,380
Yeah.

2196
01:37:15,380 --> 01:37:16,380
Yeah.

2197
01:37:16,380 --> 01:37:17,380
Yeah.

2198
01:37:17,380 --> 01:37:18,380
Yeah.

2199
01:37:18,380 --> 01:37:19,380
Yeah.

2200
01:37:19,380 --> 01:37:20,380
Yeah.

2201
01:37:20,380 --> 01:37:21,380
Yeah.

2202
01:37:21,380 --> 01:37:22,380
Yeah.

2203
01:37:22,380 --> 01:37:23,380
Yeah.

2204
01:37:23,380 --> 01:37:24,380
Yeah.

2205
01:37:24,380 --> 01:37:25,380
Yeah.

2206
01:37:25,380 --> 01:37:26,380
It just seems.

2207
01:37:26,380 --> 01:37:27,380
You know the things.

2208
01:37:27,380 --> 01:37:28,380
He says.

2209
01:37:28,380 --> 01:37:29,380
Say, he's hard to do.

2210
01:37:29,380 --> 01:37:30,380
I don't do a janitor.

2211
01:37:30,380 --> 01:37:31,380
A janitor's a strict reminder thanks to the law.

2212
01:37:31,380 --> 01:37:32,380
They got to stay in a summertime.

2213
01:37:32,380 --> 01:37:33,380
I'm not getting a janitor class.

2214
01:37:33,380 --> 01:37:34,380
They strip and wax all the floor.

2215
01:37:34,380 --> 01:37:35,380
He doesn't do it, though.

2216
01:37:35,380 --> 01:37:36,380
No.

2217
01:37:36,380 --> 01:37:37,380
They hire somebody to strip and wax all the.

2218
01:37:37,380 --> 01:37:38,380
Yeah.

2219
01:37:38,380 --> 01:37:39,380
The strip and wax the floor?

2220
01:37:39,380 --> 01:37:40,380
It's.

2221
01:37:40,380 --> 01:37:41,380
Does he clean?

2222
01:37:41,380 --> 01:37:42,380
Yeah.

2223
01:37:42,380 --> 01:37:43,380
Well, it's our.

2224
01:37:43,380 --> 01:37:44,380
The furniture.

2225
01:37:44,380 --> 01:37:45,380
Tell me.

2226
01:37:45,380 --> 01:37:46,380
Loves furniture.

2227
01:37:46,380 --> 01:37:47,380
What's a janitorial contract?

2228
01:37:47,380 --> 01:37:48,380
NPA?

2229
01:37:48,380 --> 01:37:49,380
It's not a contract.

2230
01:37:49,380 --> 01:37:50,380
That's the problem.

2231
01:37:50,380 --> 01:37:51,380
Okay.

2232
01:37:51,380 --> 01:37:53,380
So, we're okay with the job description and specifications.

2233
01:37:53,380 --> 01:37:54,680
Okay for Laurie to send this out.

2234
01:37:54,680 --> 01:38:02,560
ASAP April 3rd if we'll get it back hopefully and currently we'll meet with

2235
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:09,390
them yes

2236
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:19,680
when you haven't done off come right down yeah I mean you go all the way back

2237
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:25,060
to your principal when Leo there was things that he just did you had a

2238
01:38:25,060 --> 01:38:31,220
principal doing janitorial job you know so he did before we had time teaching the

2239
01:38:31,220 --> 01:38:37,130
kids gym class y'all taking them on the hikes you know like Kurt said before

2240
01:38:37,130 --> 01:38:45,050
that's gone we don't have that dedication okay did you were you able to

2241
01:38:45,050 --> 01:38:50,229
find out anything about the shrubs or have a school board meeting today okay

2242
01:38:50,229 --> 01:38:54,689
so you'll ask about I think I think it's the fourth

2243
01:38:54,689 --> 01:38:55,489
or

2244
01:38:55,489 --> 01:39:03,140
Tuesday they switched it so I don't think they've had a meeting yet since the election right

2245
01:39:03,140 --> 01:39:09,039
school board this will be the first one since so they haven't even like

2246
01:39:09,039 --> 01:39:19,319
structured it mentions in here about tennis court so I have a question for Dave

2247
01:39:19,319 --> 01:39:21,300
how's the tennis court cleanup coming

2248
01:39:21,300 --> 01:39:28,300
on can you work on it this summer let's get it clean up and out of there yeah

2249
01:39:28,300 --> 01:39:43,000
there's third me and again you know give a third man third man yeah okay I told

2250
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:51,670
you go ahead okay okay guidelines for

2251
01:39:51,670 --> 01:39:52,170
you

2252
01:39:52,170 --> 01:40:09,600
dispersing the dog fund so Laurie we voted to add five dollars to each dog

2253
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:18,409
registration and it would be for funding unexpected and unanticipated dog and

2254
01:40:18,409 --> 01:40:24,689
wolf hybrid cost it's a reserve fund so it stays there all the time bills up

2255
01:40:24,689 --> 01:40:32,300
until the select board releases it

2256
01:40:33,359 --> 01:40:33,859
is there

2257
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:34,880
a cap on it

2258
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:36,270
no

2259
01:40:36,270 --> 01:40:43,250
say that we get five thousand dollars in there do we have to continue to collect the extra

2260
01:40:43,250 --> 01:40:45,250
five dollars from the townspeople or

2261
01:40:45,250 --> 01:40:47,479
I don't know we probably could change it I don't

2262
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:49,479
change things anytime in the wild

2263
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:56,479
I think you voted the five dollars they voted to set up the fund but now if you voted the five dollars you could always drop it down to the board

2264
01:40:56,479 --> 01:41:03,479
so like Luke had forty three thousand dollars in his cemetery thing and they were like no we don't want to give you any money we want you to use that money

2265
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:04,479
right

2266
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:05,479
mm-hmm

2267
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:06,279
I mean good point

2268
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:22,479
I can see down the road that you're gonna need another dog kennel I mean that dog's only last so long and he's gonna say hey this is rotten sitting up in his yard right now you know but I can see that that money will get spent I don't think it's gonna get way up there

2269
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:24,479
how much money did we end up spending last year

2270
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:25,479
all together

2271
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:32,479
probably none last year but the year before was what almost a thousand almost a thousand dollars

2272
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:35,479
we went over budget the year before because that one case

2273
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:37,479
mm-hmm

2274
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:38,510
one dog

2275
01:41:38,510 --> 01:41:39,510
one dog

2276
01:41:39,510 --> 01:42:02,520
okay um so the third line down this fund may be used if the owner is unknown and the injured dog wolf hybrid is in need of a veterinary consultation for example treatment or euthanasia because Luke does not want to make that call for putting down the dog and we shouldn't either

2277
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:06,520
so we had a dog that was kept and wasn't eating or acting on the dog

2278
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:11,520
right and he had to take it to the vet and the diagnosis was that it was lonely

2279
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:20,840
so I don't even know if you want to say injured because we incurred vet bills for a non-injured dog that

2280
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:21,840
mental health

2281
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,840
yeah that wasn't acting quite right

2282
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:31,250
and for injured um lonely uh wolf hybrid this fund may be used

2283
01:42:31,250 --> 01:42:37,250
what anticipated uh or unanticipated veterinary costs or something along those lines

2284
01:42:37,250 --> 01:42:38,250
mm-hmm

2285
01:42:38,250 --> 01:42:42,250
treatment you know just some kind of treatment

2286
01:42:42,250 --> 01:42:51,250
I mean definitely injured but it was just in our care it wasn't injured but it required a wellness visit and it was not well

2287
01:42:51,250 --> 01:42:53,250
how can we word that

2288
01:42:53,250 --> 01:43:02,250
just maybe take out the specifics about injured or uh and just maybe somehow refer to treatment

2289
01:43:02,250 --> 01:43:05,250
in need of veterinary consultation yeah

2290
01:43:05,250 --> 01:43:06,250
yeah

2291
01:43:06,250 --> 01:43:08,050
yep

2292
01:43:08,050 --> 01:43:19,319
I wonder what they would think how your dad and my grandfather took care of them

2293
01:43:19,319 --> 01:43:20,319
I'll say it

2294
01:43:20,319 --> 01:43:21,319
yep

2295
01:43:21,319 --> 01:43:22,319
the old rabid dogs

2296
01:43:22,319 --> 01:43:23,319
I'll say it

2297
01:43:23,319 --> 01:43:24,319
yep it's old and not hunting

2298
01:43:24,319 --> 01:43:31,600
I felt it coming last week when I mentioned about the caddigan run over

2299
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:32,600
yeah

2300
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:36,920
this fund may be used if the owner is unknown

2301
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:37,920
I'm not sure

2302
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:40,920
we don't want to say it again

2303
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:41,920
later later

2304
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:46,300
and then toward the bottom this fund may be used if the owner is unknown

2305
01:43:46,300 --> 01:43:52,300
and it is necessary to keep the dog wolf hybrid more than the allowed days

2306
01:43:52,300 --> 01:44:00,329
because he had problems last year finding a kennel or

2307
01:44:00,329 --> 01:44:01,329
yeah we're talking

2308
01:44:01,329 --> 01:44:08,430
how about if he if it is within the allowed days but we can't find the owner I mean there's still a third day

2309
01:44:08,430 --> 01:44:10,039
cost

2310
01:44:10,039 --> 01:44:11,039
cost

2311
01:44:11,039 --> 01:44:17,039
I don't know why we can't just say spend it on any needs for the dog

2312
01:44:17,039 --> 01:44:18,039
yeah

2313
01:44:18,039 --> 01:44:19,039
you know

2314
01:44:19,039 --> 01:44:20,039
too specific

2315
01:44:20,039 --> 01:44:21,039
too specific here

2316
01:44:21,039 --> 01:44:22,039
yeah

2317
01:44:22,039 --> 01:44:27,039
well I just think if he needs the money to spend on the dog he deems it hey I gotta spend

2318
01:44:27,039 --> 01:44:31,039
I gotta go buy something for this dog I gotta take him to the vet I gotta spend it

2319
01:44:31,039 --> 01:44:34,130
I mean how many dogs do we register

2320
01:44:34,130 --> 01:44:36,229
two hundred and seventy five

2321
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:42,390
three hundred times five yep fifteen hundred bucks first year right that's not right

2322
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:48,350
if it's three hundred dogs times five that's fifteen hundred dollars right

2323
01:44:48,350 --> 01:44:50,350
if everybody pays on time

2324
01:44:50,350 --> 01:44:51,350
on time

2325
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:52,350
well fees

2326
01:44:52,350 --> 01:44:53,350
or penalties

2327
01:44:53,350 --> 01:44:54,350
yeah

2328
01:44:54,350 --> 01:44:55,350
that goes up

2329
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:57,350
but I'm just saying we got the money

2330
01:44:57,350 --> 01:45:01,020
and he and he deems that it needs it

2331
01:45:01,020 --> 01:45:08,020
why handcuff him that any number of things just go ahead and spend it

2332
01:45:08,020 --> 01:45:13,020
why are we I just I just don't understand this is not you know a hundred and fifty thousand dollars

2333
01:45:13,020 --> 01:45:19,020
we're talking fifteen hundred dollars and if he and I agree if we start getting upwards quite a bit of money

2334
01:45:19,020 --> 01:45:20,020
we can say okay we have it and we're gonna keep it

2335
01:45:20,020 --> 01:45:22,859
we could say, okay, we have a project

2336
01:45:22,859 --> 01:45:25,340
that we can take some of that money and buy a kennel

2337
01:45:25,340 --> 01:45:27,560
or we can buy new equipment.

2338
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:31,739
Because this equipment that he has is very little

2339
01:45:31,739 --> 01:45:34,500
and probably some of it he paid on his own.

2340
01:45:34,500 --> 01:45:39,170
You know, so we can do, we can get things, you know.

2341
01:45:39,170 --> 01:45:42,090
I mean, there's fuel costs that are going up and everything.

2342
01:45:42,090 --> 01:45:43,890
Will it be used at the discretion

2343
01:45:43,890 --> 01:45:47,279
of the dog officer or at the swag bar?

2344
01:45:47,279 --> 01:45:50,220
I think that we give Dave so much discretion,

2345
01:45:50,220 --> 01:45:53,319
you can say, okay, up to $500.

2346
01:45:53,319 --> 01:45:55,100
You need more than that, you come to the board.

2347
01:45:55,100 --> 01:45:55,939
Right.

2348
01:45:55,939 --> 01:45:58,460
Yeah, put a cap on that, put a cap on the spending.

2349
01:45:58,460 --> 01:45:59,739
Yeah, if it starts building up

2350
01:45:59,739 --> 01:46:01,939
where you get tens of thousands of dollars in there,

2351
01:46:01,939 --> 01:46:04,380
you don't say, go ahead and just spend that.

2352
01:46:04,380 --> 01:46:05,460
He has to come to the board.

2353
01:46:05,460 --> 01:46:06,479
What's the cap?

2354
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:07,619
What do you want to say?

2355
01:46:08,770 --> 01:46:09,609
200?

2356
01:46:10,909 --> 01:46:14,649
What's the average bet with a $500?

2357
01:46:14,649 --> 01:46:16,090
It's expensive.

2358
01:46:16,090 --> 01:46:18,649
Right, so I mean, 500, I would say easily.

2359
01:46:18,649 --> 01:46:20,270
We don't want him to have to say,

2360
01:46:20,270 --> 01:46:22,970
oh jeez, I gotta wait two weeks for the board

2361
01:46:22,970 --> 01:46:24,329
to make a decision.

2362
01:46:24,329 --> 01:46:26,090
We gotta be able to say to him,

2363
01:46:26,090 --> 01:46:30,520
look, you gotta bring this dog to the vet, go do it, right?

2364
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:35,039
This, when we start, and I'm calling you,

2365
01:46:35,039 --> 01:46:39,159
500, I agree with that, $500 doesn't go anywhere anymore.

2366
01:46:39,159 --> 01:46:41,779
I mean, you guys, you go down and buy groceries,

2367
01:46:41,779 --> 01:46:45,039
what's it cost the average family of four for groceries now?

2368
01:46:45,039 --> 01:46:47,319
No, $300, $200, something like that?

2369
01:46:47,319 --> 01:46:48,739
I don't know, $400?

2370
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:50,739
Yeah, I don't know.

2371
01:46:50,819 --> 01:46:52,979
I don't have a family of four anymore.

2372
01:46:52,979 --> 01:46:53,819
Mm-hmm.

2373
01:46:53,819 --> 01:46:54,659
Yep.

2374
01:46:54,659 --> 01:46:55,479
Yeah.

2375
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:56,319
Yep.

2376
01:46:56,319 --> 01:46:58,819
Right, so that, you know what I'm saying?

2377
01:46:58,819 --> 01:47:00,779
These doctors, the vets, I mean,

2378
01:47:00,779 --> 01:47:03,340
now they're charging for mental illness.

2379
01:47:03,340 --> 01:47:04,579
Dog is lonely.

2380
01:47:04,579 --> 01:47:05,420
Yeah.

2381
01:47:05,420 --> 01:47:07,340
I'm not trying to make fun of it,

2382
01:47:07,340 --> 01:47:08,760
but the dog's lonely.

2383
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:11,199
Are you gonna get a second opinion now?

2384
01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:15,199
You know, the guy, he's getting paid to tell you that.

2385
01:47:16,609 --> 01:47:17,449
You know?

2386
01:47:17,449 --> 01:47:19,069
Who are you responsible for the therapy,

2387
01:47:19,069 --> 01:47:19,970
the cure to the dog?

2388
01:47:19,970 --> 01:47:22,489
Well, I, you know, I, like I said,

2389
01:47:22,489 --> 01:47:27,630
I don't wanna, you know, downplay people that love their dogs.

2390
01:47:27,630 --> 01:47:31,510
But it gets to the point where the doctor himself goes,

2391
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:33,789
jeez, we gotta treat him.

2392
01:47:33,789 --> 01:47:34,970
Well he knows you love your dog.

2393
01:47:34,970 --> 01:47:37,970
We have regular doctors to treat people

2394
01:47:37,970 --> 01:47:40,090
and they keep you comin' back, comin' back.

2395
01:47:40,090 --> 01:47:41,850
They never cure ya.

2396
01:47:41,850 --> 01:47:43,590
The doctor knows you love your dog.

2397
01:47:43,590 --> 01:47:44,649
Right, exactly.

2398
01:47:44,649 --> 01:47:47,220
I'm sure that's the way you've been through the bill.

2399
01:47:47,220 --> 01:47:48,539
Yeah.

2400
01:47:48,539 --> 01:47:49,609
He really loves this guy.

2401
01:47:49,609 --> 01:47:56,279
So and then what we do if there's a cost and send it back to

2402
01:47:57,100 --> 01:47:59,100
the townsperson

2403
01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:04,250
Do we they have to pay it and when you have like we had that case I can't afford it

2404
01:48:04,770 --> 01:48:06,210
What do you do now?

2405
01:48:06,210 --> 01:48:08,369
Keep the dog

2406
01:48:08,710 --> 01:48:11,420
That's what happened

2407
01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:23,119
I

2408
01:48:39,029 --> 01:48:41,029
Can't afford it. I don't want the dog

2409
01:48:45,609 --> 01:48:48,289
It was a dog bite first

2410
01:48:48,970 --> 01:48:50,970
Right, but then so he had it quarantined

2411
01:48:51,149 --> 01:48:53,909
And then they didn't want it back because they couldn't afford it right

2412
01:48:54,529 --> 01:49:02,029
So we had we had to count on the dog until we could find a home for the dog

2413
01:49:02,729 --> 01:49:09,460
Because owner didn't want the dog anymore because I couldn't afford it, and it was already too many violations

2414
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:16,899
It was for the festic defense. That's over the air. It was a big. It was a big issue, but there was a financial burden

2415
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:20,069
donor

2416
01:49:20,069 --> 01:49:24,449
So do you place in North Adams now would that be a potential to bring the dog?

2417
01:49:25,029 --> 01:49:31,350
According to Luke a lot of Massachusetts places won't take an out of state dog

2418
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:34,409
And there's and then it was rain shots

2419
01:49:35,149 --> 01:49:37,590
Involved in it so there was more to it

2420
01:49:37,590 --> 01:49:44,829
But he was told no by a couple places, and then he was told yes by a place when he then they changed their minds

2421
01:49:44,829 --> 01:49:46,829
They changed their mind

2422
01:49:46,829 --> 01:49:48,829
So does he still have the dog?

2423
01:49:48,829 --> 01:49:50,829
No, no it's fine

2424
01:49:50,989 --> 01:49:53,689
But if do we take a owner

2425
01:49:53,689 --> 01:49:58,029
And say okay it cost the town a thousand dollars to you

2426
01:49:58,649 --> 01:50:03,649
Send that bill to the owner and you we got to lean on your house to you pay for it

2427
01:50:03,649 --> 01:50:06,229
I mean, I don't know how far you go on this stuff

2428
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:08,359
I mean, I don't see why you couldn't

2429
01:50:08,359 --> 01:50:11,000
Why should the taxpayers have to pay?

2430
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:17,000
It seems like when I mean we've had to take matters in our own hands about culverts before when it's causing a high

2431
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:22,619
I mean we've you know done it ourself and billed them and they didn't even pay or it goes in the records of the state or something

2432
01:50:22,619 --> 01:50:24,020
I mean we've done it ourself and billed them and they didn't even pay or it goes in the records of the state or something

2433
01:50:24,199 --> 01:50:26,199
They go sell their house they have to pay

2434
01:50:26,199 --> 01:50:28,199
They owe us up, yeah

2435
01:50:28,199 --> 01:50:30,199
So I wouldn't see why a dog couldn't be the same way

2436
01:50:30,199 --> 01:50:34,199
Yeah we can take that case by case you don't have to put that in the policy

2437
01:50:34,199 --> 01:50:39,199
It seems to me like if you come to the town and you're registering a dog as the owner you're responsible for that dog

2438
01:50:39,199 --> 01:50:40,199
Right

2439
01:50:40,199 --> 01:50:41,199
Right

2440
01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:42,199
Whether you want it or not

2441
01:50:42,199 --> 01:50:48,199
So is the recourse in our dog ordinance the ticketing system with the judicial bureau?

2442
01:50:48,199 --> 01:50:50,199
Which is pretty much useless

2443
01:50:50,199 --> 01:50:51,199
Right

2444
01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:53,199
And what happened with this case was

2445
01:50:53,199 --> 01:50:54,060
Right

2446
01:50:54,060 --> 01:51:00,060
The dog had violations we deemed that you can't have your dog back now because you didn't put the fence up

2447
01:51:00,060 --> 01:51:04,060
And you're not doing what we told you to do the first time

2448
01:51:04,060 --> 01:51:06,060
So we took the dog

2449
01:51:06,060 --> 01:51:07,569
Right

2450
01:51:07,569 --> 01:51:08,569
Who got the dog back?

2451
01:51:08,569 --> 01:51:09,569
I don't know

2452
01:51:09,569 --> 01:51:11,569
Second chance

2453
01:51:11,569 --> 01:51:12,569
Second chance

2454
01:51:12,569 --> 01:51:13,569
Yeah

2455
01:51:13,569 --> 01:51:14,569
Finally took it

2456
01:51:14,569 --> 01:51:18,569
You know and then you get the emotional part of it

2457
01:51:18,569 --> 01:51:19,569
Oh I feel bad

2458
01:51:19,569 --> 01:51:21,569
I wanted to say goodbye to my dog

2459
01:51:21,569 --> 01:51:22,569
Oh gee

2460
01:51:22,569 --> 01:51:24,569
So there's a lot to it

2461
01:51:24,569 --> 01:51:29,569
But we shouldn't as tax payers or other dog owners have to pay that

2462
01:51:29,569 --> 01:51:35,569
It's just like you said you live here and they're paying all the money over here

2463
01:51:35,569 --> 01:51:41,109
It should be a little bit more equal anyways

2464
01:51:41,109 --> 01:51:42,109
So what are we keeping?

2465
01:51:42,109 --> 01:51:44,109
Pete's looking at his clock over there

2466
01:51:44,109 --> 01:51:51,109
Keeping guidelines, keeping the reserve fund, keeping the fund is to be used only for dogs with hybrids

2467
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:54,109
Other domestic animals are not covered

2468
01:51:54,109 --> 01:52:00,109
This fund may be used if owner is unknown and in need of that consultation etc

2469
01:52:00,109 --> 01:52:05,300
And then take out this fund may be used if the owner is unknown

2470
01:52:05,300 --> 01:52:08,399
Are we taking that out or keeping it in?

2471
01:52:08,399 --> 01:52:11,579
I would say only if it's unknown

2472
01:52:11,579 --> 01:52:14,579
If you know who the owner is they're responsible for

2473
01:52:14,579 --> 01:52:15,579
Right

2474
01:52:15,579 --> 01:52:17,579
This fund may be used if the owner is unknown and is missing

2475
01:52:17,579 --> 01:52:23,960
But I would say if we're keeping the dog even up to the allowed days we should be able to use it

2476
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:24,960
Not just more than that

2477
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:26,960
Not just more than the allowed days

2478
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:27,960
Right

2479
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:29,960
We don't want to keep it more than the allowed days

2480
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:33,960
So what if we don't know who the owner is and then all of a sudden we find out

2481
01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:36,960
Oh it's John's dog

2482
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:40,960
And in the meantime we've incurred $500 in expenses

2483
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:42,960
Can we give John a $500 bill?

2484
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:43,960
We should

2485
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:46,960
You're supposed to pay before Luke releases the dog to you

2486
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:51,239
You have to pay it

2487
01:52:51,239 --> 01:52:54,359
Sounds good to me

2488
01:52:54,359 --> 01:52:57,359
I mean Luke does a good job on very little money

2489
01:52:57,359 --> 01:52:58,359
I know

2490
01:52:58,359 --> 01:53:01,359
When I came on this board we had a different dog officer

2491
01:53:01,359 --> 01:53:03,359
We're lucky that Tom didn't get sued

2492
01:53:03,359 --> 01:53:04,359
Big time

2493
01:53:04,359 --> 01:53:07,359
Guy went out in the woods and shot a dog

2494
01:53:07,359 --> 01:53:10,359
So we're lucky we didn't get in big trouble

2495
01:53:10,359 --> 01:53:13,359
So I mean we could get

2496
01:53:13,359 --> 01:53:15,359
We're doing it the right way

2497
01:53:15,359 --> 01:53:17,359
We should have the owners of their dogs

2498
01:53:17,359 --> 01:53:19,359
They should be responsible

2499
01:53:19,359 --> 01:53:20,359
That was the problem

2500
01:53:20,359 --> 01:53:23,359
So did we figure out what the cap was on the amount for Luke?

2501
01:53:23,359 --> 01:53:24,359
Kind of

2502
01:53:24,359 --> 01:53:25,359
I think we said $500 cap

2503
01:53:25,359 --> 01:53:27,359
It kind of was all a set up too

2504
01:53:28,359 --> 01:53:30,359
Oh it should be in here somewhere

2505
01:53:30,359 --> 01:53:31,359
That's right

2506
01:53:31,359 --> 01:53:34,359
He was recording it

2507
01:53:34,359 --> 01:53:35,359
$500 cap

2508
01:53:35,359 --> 01:53:37,390
Yeah he set them up

2509
01:53:37,390 --> 01:53:38,390
Okay

2510
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:39,390
So what do we decide?

2511
01:53:39,390 --> 01:53:42,390
This fund may be used if the owner is unknown

2512
01:53:42,390 --> 01:53:46,390
And is necessary to keep the dog more than the allowed days

2513
01:53:46,390 --> 01:53:51,439
Can we just say it's necessary to keep the dog period?

2514
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:52,439
Yeah

2515
01:53:52,439 --> 01:53:56,779
This fund may be used if the owner is unknown

2516
01:53:56,779 --> 01:53:58,779
And is necessary to keep the dog more than the allowed days

2517
01:53:58,779 --> 01:53:59,779
And

2518
01:53:59,779 --> 01:54:00,779
This fund may be used if the owner is unknown

2519
01:54:00,779 --> 01:54:01,779
And this fund may be used if the owner is unknown

2520
01:54:01,779 --> 01:54:06,029
Yeah, because we would feed the dog

2521
01:54:06,029 --> 01:54:08,029
Feed the baby

2522
01:54:08,029 --> 01:54:09,029
If he comes into our house

2523
01:54:09,029 --> 01:54:10,029
And he is necessary to keep the dog

2524
01:54:10,029 --> 01:54:24,029
If he's pregnant somewhere else

2525
01:54:24,029 --> 01:54:25,029
Well thanks guys, I appreciate that

2526
01:54:25,029 --> 01:54:26,029
Yep

2527
01:54:26,029 --> 01:54:28,029
And then do..

2528
01:54:28,029 --> 01:54:30,029
Because this fund was set up

2529
01:54:30,029 --> 01:54:38,510
up as a rabies control program that gave us the authority to uh put this five dollar surcharge on

2530
01:54:39,470 --> 01:54:46,939
should we say something it could be used for a rabies clinic sometime or i think we should be

2531
01:54:46,939 --> 01:54:52,060
able to use it for whatever feels we can use it for that's right and if we want to do a rabies

2532
01:54:52,060 --> 01:54:57,979
clinic we get up we start making good money on it we can there's enough places around where you don't

2533
01:54:57,979 --> 01:55:03,020
think you need to do a clinic anymore you can go on the tractor supply and right get your dog

2534
01:55:05,020 --> 01:55:09,640
and it takes time i'll bring my dog right in here let her pick out a toy it's like

2535
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:22,640
come on in they don't care take the last one out okay these are the guidelines to be um dated

2536
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:34,890
signed and to be modified as needed or however you usually write that make a motion motion

2537
01:55:35,050 --> 01:55:51,319
motion of silence second all in favor aye what else do we have um speaking of ordinances

2538
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:58,199
the 60 days has passed on your highway ordinance this past monday so now that's in both force and

2539
01:55:58,199 --> 01:56:11,840
effect the municipal energy resilience program the um grant that we received to purchase new

2540
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:14,880
insulated doors to a highway garage and a new entry door

2541
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:22,000
um i had to attend a seminar it was a zoom so i guess the time isn't that right but um

2542
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:32,439
i had to submit a request to have the property reviewed for the state historic list of the

2543
01:56:32,439 --> 01:56:39,319
national historic list makes the archaeological list make sure there's no dead people under there

2544
01:56:41,079 --> 01:56:43,000
circa 1980. they have 30 days to decide if they want to come down and do a rabies clinic or not

2545
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:45,000
they have 30 days to decide if they want to come down and do a rabies clinic or not

2546
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:45,560
they have 30 days to decide if they want to come down and do a rabies clinic or not

2547
01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:52,430
down and do a site visit or if they'll just approve the project as is

2548
01:56:52,430 --> 01:56:56,109
the state won't come down here they don't really know this i don't know why i mean there's

2549
01:56:56,109 --> 01:57:01,869
nothing there that's uh an ancient artifact native american girl maybe there's a lizard

2550
01:57:01,869 --> 01:57:06,590
or it is it's too late you know you're not moving the building we're just changing some doors

2551
01:57:06,590 --> 01:57:13,390
just changing the door oh god they won't even let you replace windows windows without historic

2552
01:57:14,189 --> 01:57:15,869
yes historic preservation

2553
01:57:16,109 --> 01:57:20,350
yep you can't dig more than a 10 foot square about historic preservation

2554
01:57:23,789 --> 01:57:30,270
so this grant do they pay you for attending and administrating

2555
01:57:30,270 --> 01:57:38,520
administering the uh interesting i doubt it yeah not like fema okay so what's the next step in that

2556
01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:46,159
once um we get over this hurdle then we need to do the bid package and send it out to people who

2557
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:56,300
will install the overhead doors how much money did they give us 33 000. i'm going to have to buy

2558
01:57:56,300 --> 01:58:14,159
three doors in the room door and install what they're saying what else lori well if you want

2559
01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:25,279
to move into the sure correspondence yep i have two take their weight permits can't recast concrete

2560
01:58:25,279 --> 01:58:30,000
and west oil we're getting more now than now santa refueled

2561
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:38,920
santa fuel santa fuel yeah there's enough make a motion to approve them or sign them

2562
01:58:51,210 --> 01:59:12,010
thank you any uh word from bcrc on returning our payment didn't we have to pay them the thousand

2563
01:59:12,010 --> 01:59:18,090
dollars first and then they've already paid the one thousand dollars so um they submitted a new

2564
01:59:18,090 --> 01:59:20,409
bill which was maybe four hundred and fifty dollars yeah so we just got to get a new bill

2565
01:59:20,409 --> 01:59:21,449
that's what we just got to get to that's the plan and that's what we're in the process of getting

2566
01:59:21,449 --> 01:59:22,010
to my son's. just wanted to say thank you jimmy and michelle thank you and we will see you next time

2567
01:59:22,010 --> 01:59:35,569
So we've submitted that to the state and the VCRC has already refunded us the $650 we overpaid

2568
01:59:35,569 --> 01:59:39,149
that is not included in the grant.

2569
01:59:39,149 --> 01:59:44,800
That was very nice of them.

2570
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:48,310
What else do you have, Lori?

2571
01:59:48,310 --> 01:59:54,520
Any old business guys?

2572
01:59:54,520 --> 02:00:03,000
Have we heard anything back from State of Vermont, Department of Taxes?

2573
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:08,600
A week or so ago I received a letter saying they're still working on it and they need more time.

2574
02:00:08,600 --> 02:00:11,600
They just sent a letter saying they were working on it.

2575
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:14,600
This is my second letter that they're working on.

2576
02:00:14,600 --> 02:00:16,600
That's nice of them.

2577
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:18,920
They're still working on it.

2578
02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:22,279
How about new business?

2579
02:00:22,279 --> 02:00:24,279
You usually have some new business, Mike.

2580
02:00:24,279 --> 02:00:29,850
No, I'm trying to be quiet about some things tonight.

2581
02:00:29,850 --> 02:00:33,039
I don't want to get frustrated.

2582
02:00:33,039 --> 02:00:35,039
I'm keeping my blood pressure down.

2583
02:00:35,039 --> 02:00:46,279
Next Monday the Planning Commission will be reviewing the draft of the Zoning Bylaws.

2584
02:00:46,279 --> 02:00:48,670
What time?

2585
02:00:48,670 --> 02:00:54,159
7.

2586
02:00:54,159 --> 02:01:02,909
Is there a hearing?

2587
02:01:02,909 --> 02:01:07,319
Nothing on any of the executive session stuff.

2588
02:01:07,319 --> 02:01:09,319
That's just the only account.

2589
02:01:09,319 --> 02:01:13,359
I thought it was supposed to be a new law here.

2590
02:01:13,359 --> 02:01:15,359
Are you going to be an attorney for an update?

2591
02:01:15,359 --> 02:01:16,359
Yes.

2592
02:01:16,359 --> 02:01:17,359
Drop them an email.

2593
02:01:17,359 --> 02:01:18,359
Okay.

2594
02:01:18,359 --> 02:01:19,359
What's going on?

2595
02:01:19,359 --> 02:01:28,270
Things are supposed to not sit in limbo forever.

2596
02:01:28,270 --> 02:01:34,109
Okay.

2597
02:01:34,109 --> 02:01:37,909
Any other new business, guys?

2598
02:01:37,909 --> 02:01:40,119
Nope.

2599
02:01:40,119 --> 02:01:45,380
Next meeting we could start reviewing policy again.

2600
02:01:45,380 --> 02:01:47,380
We have some more policies.

2601
02:01:47,380 --> 02:01:56,380
And maybe Dave, Lori, and I will be able to have job descriptions for the road commissioner and the laborer.

2602
02:01:56,380 --> 02:01:57,380
Oh this is an old policy.

2603
02:01:57,380 --> 02:01:58,479
A lot of old policies.

2604
02:01:58,479 --> 02:02:01,479
We're going to add a lot more duties on it.

2605
02:02:01,479 --> 02:02:02,479
We're going to add lawn care to it.

2606
02:02:02,479 --> 02:02:03,479
Tennis court, man.

2607
02:02:03,479 --> 02:02:04,479
Tennis court.

2608
02:02:04,479 --> 02:02:05,479
Tennis court.

2609
02:02:05,479 --> 02:02:06,479
Tennis court, lawn care.

2610
02:02:06,479 --> 02:02:07,479
You have about a half-day.

2611
02:02:07,479 --> 02:02:08,479
Yeah, whatever the next court says.

2612
02:02:08,479 --> 02:02:09,479
Motion to adjourn.

2613
02:02:09,479 --> 02:02:10,479
Second.

2614
02:02:10,479 --> 02:02:11,479
I for the purpose of this meeting, I'm now adjourn.

2615
02:02:11,479 --> 02:02:12,479
I do want to acknowledge the members of the committee, to their special attention,

2616
02:02:12,479 --> 02:02:13,479
the people who supported me throughout this meeting.

2617
02:02:13,479 --> 02:02:14,479
I want to thank all of you.

2618
02:02:14,479 --> 02:02:15,539
Thanks.

2619
02:02:15,539 --> 02:02:16,539
Thanks, everyone.

2620
02:02:16,539 --> 02:02:17,539
Thank you.

2621
02:02:17,539 --> 02:02:18,539
Thank you, Mike.

2622
02:02:18,539 --> 02:02:19,539
Mr. Law, thank you, everyone.

2623
02:02:19,539 --> 02:02:20,539
Thank you, Mr. Law.

2624
02:02:20,539 --> 02:02:21,539
Thank you.

2625
02:02:21,539 --> 02:02:22,539
Thank you, sir.