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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Welcome to a meeting of the standard select board. If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, you can do so by addressing the chairperson and stating their name and address.

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You will notice that all our meetings are recorded, and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes. Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and 15 minutes per topic. Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner, and respectful of others.

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Select board members present are?

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Clark and Hall.

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Nancy Bershika.

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Claude Roy.

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John Dunn.

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Kirk and I.

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Will there be any adding of items or variants of items from tonight's agenda?

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No.

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I have finance reimbursement papers that I would like to request for a few months.

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Finance reimbursement?

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Grant reimbursement.

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I'd like to add an executive session for personnel. Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, such as changing order of items?

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And our meeting is being recorded tonight by J.B. and his YouTube.

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Hearing the visitors.

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I have a letter here that I put in everybody's box. I don't know if you saw it. From the Conservation Commission.

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I guess I didn't get it.

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I've seen it. I've just seen it. I've got it in the trash.

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Okay.

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I didn't get one.

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Okay. And Lori, do you email it to everybody?

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No.

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No.

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No, but if you have it, I can make copies for the order.

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Yeah.

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I'm trying to see. Yep.

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All right. I thought I hit it in the box.

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I'm sorry.

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I got it somewhere.

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It's just a letter to the BCRC that the Conservation Commission wrote just talking about how unhappy we are with the mention, the direct mention of Stanford being prime location for wind and the change to half a kilometer distance from residences from the kilometer that it is in our energy plan.

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The Planning Commission also voted to sign on to this letter, and we're hoping that that's like more also.

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So as a unified front, we could then submit to BCRC.

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Just to have it in writing, I know that the regional plan already went through, but so we have our two cents in.

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So our energy program doesn't have that in it, correct?

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Yes.

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We have one kilometer, correct?

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Correct.

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And we have winded, prime winded in a different location.

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Correct.

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They're saying up there.

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So that's not the location.

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Right. They're saying that it's the brain.

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Yeah. It specifically says though that it's the brain, right?

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Yeah.

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So when did the...

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When did the Conservation Commission meet?

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We've been working on the letter like the last few months.

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So a couple months ago, we said, okay, you went in the last Planning Commission.

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They all agreed to sign on to it as well.

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Can we...

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Would this have to be on like separate letter, how do you feel, like from the Board of Selection

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and Conservation Commission was separate and Planning Commission separate?

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If you want separate letters from each board, yeah.

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Give them a lot of paperwork.

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It's up to you.

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Either way.

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Yeah, I wasn't strong.

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I'm in support.

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I like this letter.

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Yeah.

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I'll make a motion that we either sign this or send it our own.

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What do you think?

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What's the suggestion that...

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We had considered that just one letter we thought was easier, but it's up to you.

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We can just sign on to this.

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We can just write a letter for all of us to sign saying we endorse this and attach it.

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Sure.

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That'd be fine.

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Yeah, I don't have a problem with it.

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I do.

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To me, it's a no-brainer.

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Our townspeople do not want this.

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And then we officially have it in writing.

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Yeah.

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Do you want me to just take this letter and put it on letterhead and put Stanford Conservation,

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Stanford Slideboard, Stanford Planning, and everybody can sign?

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That's all.

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Each chair can sign.

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Just the chairs?

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I'd like to do that.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Good job.

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Make a motion to send this letter.

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I'd like to see if the Conservation Commission is being affected.

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We've got a motion, and I'll make a motion.

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Second.

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Second.

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Second.

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The ash boards, we're just...

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Do you want to email it to me?

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Do you want to email it to me?

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Any other visitors?

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Reading and approval of records and orders.

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Regular minutes of February 6th.

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Do I have a motion to accept them as written?

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Motion.

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Second.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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I have a little road condition.

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I'm sure...

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Dave is somewhere else.

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Did he say he was not coming tonight?

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I didn't talk to him.

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No.

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At his first night off, I didn't know how many...

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But I was saying, before the meeting, I saw him in his own yard when the truck broke down

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with the front loader, so I'm sure they're not having a wonderful week right now.

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Oh, dear.

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Yeah.

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He's had a good day.

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I'm so happy tonight.

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Yeah.

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Nickel and dime, but all the stars.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I hate to ask a question, but it prompted me to ask, because I can't even...

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I came here yesterday, and of course, I had my days mixed up, and the office was closed.

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I'm assuming that it was our loader that was pushing all the snow back on Main Road?

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It was not.

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What was the state?

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All right.

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That's a no.

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All right.

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Because I've got to have a conversation.

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It just was like where my septic sits and my leach field is.

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They pushed snow right there, and that...

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I'm not saying it did anything.

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I don't think it did.

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Right.

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But, man, that's...

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That was a...

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That was nerve-wracking.

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It went double time.

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Which I'm good for it, but I just...

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Sure.

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You know, where my...

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Where they ended up pushing snow was right where my leach field is, and I'm like...

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It looks like they did more personal property than just the intersections.

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Oh, yeah.

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It was just intersections, but down here, everybody's got a place right now.

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They did more than the...

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They did more than normal.

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Even up by me, they did a guy's driveway.

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There's nobody living there.

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They actually did a...

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I mean, they even pushed down, which I'm shocked, in between both of my properties.

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They own right there, because there's actually a drain that runs from there back to the river,

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but they even drove the thing right down in there on top of that, and I was like...

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Either way, I just wanted to make sure.

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I thought it was...

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They probably don't even know it.

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I've questioned in the past, when's the last time the DOTs even come through here and cleaned

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out, like, their roadside callers?

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It's about a long time.

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Yeah.

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Well, they cleaned out from...

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Buried under the ground.

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Yeah, they cleaned out from the old popping house this past summer.

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They did that one there.

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They started it after two summers ago when all the flooding broke in the village.

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I mean, a lot of those things were...

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I think it was one here at one time.

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Where did it go, right?

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It's under the ground.

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Yeah, I just wanted to make sure.

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I just wanted to clarify, because I want to talk to Bolte, Travis, and just kind of pass

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on that, you know, be wary of where people...

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People's septics are.

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Yeah.

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So, thanks.

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I have nothing else under road conditions.

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Anything you have, Lori?

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Well, the grant and aid update I sent you, the lengthy chain of emails back and forth.

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Yeah.

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It looks like when Jim Henderson is feeling better, he'll submit at least a bill that

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encompasses the time that was done before the grant period ended.

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A...

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They're talking about, like, leaving the cost of the rest of their bills so that the

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town won't be off the money.

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It's nice to see that Jim's gone back for us.

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Yes.

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It's very, very nice.

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It really opened a whole can of worms for that.

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You know, Calvin, we appreciate that.

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Thank you very much for, you know, standing up strongly there.

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Yeah.

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And I did write to the state to see if there was any deadline, because I haven't been...

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Yeah, we missed the deadline of submission, and then we don't get any reimbursement.

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But you just have to send it in as soon as you get it in time.

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Get it what?

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As soon as we get the new paperwork from BCRC.

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Oh, we can.

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We'll send it in.

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Okay.

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That's under road or recycling.

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Review mowing bid request.

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John, you wanted to see something else on the mowing bid?

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Just the shrubs in front of the window, which, where I'm at the school, if I...

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It's like a first-grade classroom.

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If you look at the building, it's the right-hand side of the building.

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Those shrubs are, like, enormous.

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You can't even see through the windows.

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From the outside, I can't imagine the kids or anybody can see through the out and out.

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Either trim them or remove, do something with it, just to make it more eye-opening.

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Should we check through the school?

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Do you think maybe they want them there for safety?

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I don't know.

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Oh, no.

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I'm not sure.

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I don't know either.

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I think they're...

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Are they junipers?

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I'm not sure.

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What's that?

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It's a wear-along-sleeve shirt.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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You get a rash.

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I think they're junipers.

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Sorry about that.

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So, do you want me to check with the school and see if there's any problem with cutting them?

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How about removing them completely, right?

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Yeah, one or the other.

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Remove?

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I said they used to be out here, you know?

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But it says on here, shrubs in front of buildings are part of the...

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Right.

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So, either he's neglecting them or they just need severe maintenance.

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I think that's the trimming.

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All areas that cannot be mowed with a line machine will be trimmed every second mowing.

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That also says shrubbing in front of buildings.

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That's not grass.

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That's shrubs.

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Those are the shrubs.

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Yeah, they're trees.

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They're trees.

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It would be very easy to just, you know, see what the school thinks.

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And then it's, personally, it's nice, polite to ask the school, but in the long run, we're having this guy pay.

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We're paying that.

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Yeah, we're maintaining it.

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We are maintaining it.

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I think it's better for the building if we at least trim them down.

262
00:12:05,809 --> 00:12:08,669
If you remove them, it's less maintenance.

263
00:12:09,309 --> 00:12:12,389
So, then you want to pay somebody to have it maintained.

264
00:12:12,950 --> 00:12:18,779
How do you feel about the two shrubs that are outside of Casey's window there?

265
00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:23,279
They got stormed a couple of years ago.

266
00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,279
You can't see the sign.

267
00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:27,639
Trim or remove.

268
00:12:28,870 --> 00:12:30,970
Whatever the school says about those will.

269
00:12:34,460 --> 00:12:34,940
So.

270
00:12:35,419 --> 00:12:40,360
Does it have any policy when they inspect the building and shrubs touch in the building?

271
00:12:41,940 --> 00:12:43,840
I know there's such policies in Lake Housing.

272
00:12:44,220 --> 00:12:44,519
I know.

273
00:12:44,519 --> 00:12:50,080
I mean, you don't lose all for the deterioration of the building.

274
00:12:50,940 --> 00:12:53,519
I just wanted to shrub the shoe in front of the windows.

275
00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:54,399
Is it possible?

276
00:12:54,500 --> 00:13:00,279
It could be a fire safety hazard if the kids needed to get out through a window and they couldn't with the bushings there.

277
00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:02,620
Just something to put up for thought.

278
00:13:02,799 --> 00:13:03,220
Yeah.

279
00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:05,379
I would kind of run it by the principal.

280
00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:05,879
Yeah.

281
00:13:06,340 --> 00:13:10,750
But, you know, in the long run, we probably should do something with them.

282
00:13:10,909 --> 00:13:11,269
Okay.

283
00:13:12,049 --> 00:13:13,730
And the same thing when he's out here.

284
00:13:13,990 --> 00:13:17,549
And if it costs a fortune, you know, we can volunteer and cut them down.

285
00:13:17,710 --> 00:13:18,690
It's not a big deal to cut.

286
00:13:18,970 --> 00:13:19,370
Right.

287
00:13:19,730 --> 00:13:20,470
Cut the tree down.

288
00:13:20,610 --> 00:13:21,610
I can take a walk around.

289
00:13:23,610 --> 00:13:24,009
Huh?

290
00:13:24,009 --> 00:13:24,850
I can take a walk.

291
00:13:24,950 --> 00:13:26,049
That's what I mean.

292
00:13:26,169 --> 00:13:30,409
You know, I don't want to make this be long tonight.

293
00:13:30,549 --> 00:13:32,649
But when people say, well, do you have insurance?

294
00:13:32,929 --> 00:13:36,570
I didn't have insurance putting a Christmas tree up, guys, for the last six years.

295
00:13:36,710 --> 00:13:37,970
So don't worry about insurance.

296
00:13:38,070 --> 00:13:39,070
I'm not getting paid.

297
00:13:39,250 --> 00:13:40,429
I'll just come down and cut it.

298
00:13:40,549 --> 00:13:40,730
Okay.

299
00:13:41,710 --> 00:13:45,450
But, yeah, if it needs to be done, things like that.

300
00:13:45,690 --> 00:13:46,370
Things will get done.

301
00:13:46,590 --> 00:13:47,230
Yeah, it's not that bad.

302
00:13:48,129 --> 00:13:49,289
Wait, let me try this.

303
00:13:49,429 --> 00:13:49,889
I'm sorry.

304
00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:50,889
Let me see.

305
00:13:50,889 --> 00:13:54,029
So we're just going to set these bids out to.

306
00:13:54,029 --> 00:13:58,850
Yes, and is there anything else in the mowing bid that needs to be changed?

307
00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,220
Keep it like last year?

308
00:14:04,090 --> 00:14:05,570
Will we get one bid last year?

309
00:14:06,820 --> 00:14:07,299
Yes.

310
00:14:08,860 --> 00:14:10,940
Well, I don't know.

311
00:14:11,419 --> 00:14:12,799
Well, this is my question.

312
00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:17,509
I guess I'm going to bring it up over a meeting so it's transparent.

313
00:14:18,210 --> 00:14:20,690
John, are you interested in doing it?

314
00:14:21,370 --> 00:14:25,990
I would do it, but the other person that mows it does it so cheaply.

315
00:14:25,990 --> 00:14:26,509
Okay.

316
00:14:27,389 --> 00:14:30,450
I don't know if CB will do it cheaper than what he does.

317
00:14:30,450 --> 00:14:36,409
Well, the reason why I'm asking is, you know, we're coming right into the ethics topic in a minute here.

318
00:14:36,750 --> 00:14:39,769
So I recuse myself when Dan does it.

319
00:14:40,519 --> 00:14:41,200
He's my cousin.

320
00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:41,700
Okay.

321
00:14:42,340 --> 00:14:45,200
Now, John, we sent out a bid to John.

322
00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:46,279
We're all on this board.

323
00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:56,659
I would say, this is after reading the ethics rules today, it's not a conflict of interest because we're all on the same page.

324
00:14:56,659 --> 00:14:57,220
Right.

325
00:14:57,220 --> 00:14:57,360
Right.

326
00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:58,860
He would have to recuse himself.

327
00:14:58,860 --> 00:14:59,559
He would have to.

328
00:14:59,559 --> 00:14:59,860
Yeah.

329
00:14:59,860 --> 00:15:06,860
I mean, I'm all in for making money and supporting myself, but at the same time, I'm here looking out for the best interest of the town.

330
00:15:06,980 --> 00:15:07,360
Right.

331
00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,320
And I don't foresee charging the town more than what he could do.

332
00:15:11,460 --> 00:15:17,220
I think he could use the whole property for like $175, which is insanely cheap and it's a good deal.

333
00:15:17,460 --> 00:15:20,559
As long as he keeps giving me a price like that, I don't do it.

334
00:15:20,559 --> 00:15:26,559
Well, I guess my question would be is, do you want us to send you out the bid?

335
00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:29,059
You can put a number in or not put a number in.

336
00:15:29,059 --> 00:15:35,059
I mean, I'll put a number in, but I don't foresee you waiting on it based on the other person that currently does it.

337
00:15:35,059 --> 00:15:46,559
And it may be good to have a second bid, John, because then people would say, hey, this guy's doing a really good job, you know, for these numbers, you know.

338
00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:56,539
At the same time, though, with his insurance, what was it, his workman's comp, you have to make sure he's coming.

339
00:15:56,559 --> 00:15:57,559
Yeah, right.

340
00:15:57,559 --> 00:15:58,559
And following the rules.

341
00:15:58,559 --> 00:15:59,559
Yeah.

342
00:15:59,559 --> 00:16:02,559
You have to talk to him and tell him, look, you can't have the workers unless you have the insurance.

343
00:16:02,559 --> 00:16:03,559
Right.

344
00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:05,559
You can't say, well, I'm doing it myself.

345
00:16:05,559 --> 00:16:06,559
Well, I know what he looks like.

346
00:16:06,559 --> 00:16:09,559
It says on him.

347
00:16:09,559 --> 00:16:19,750
So we're going to mail the bids to Sheila and Stan Lawrence, yard work by Dan, John Dunn, James McPherson.

348
00:16:19,750 --> 00:16:21,750
Do you know anybody else?

349
00:16:21,750 --> 00:16:23,750
That's who we did last year.

350
00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:24,750
Send one to Josh Fields.

351
00:16:24,750 --> 00:16:25,750
Yeah.

352
00:16:25,750 --> 00:16:26,750
We've tried a lot.

353
00:16:26,750 --> 00:16:27,750
Josh Fields.

354
00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:28,750
Josh Fields.

355
00:16:28,750 --> 00:16:29,750
Yeah.

356
00:16:29,750 --> 00:16:30,750
Josh Fields last year.

357
00:16:30,750 --> 00:16:34,710
A lot of, most people don't respond.

358
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:35,710
Yeah.

359
00:16:35,710 --> 00:16:36,710
Josh.

360
00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:37,740
858 Current Highway.

361
00:16:37,740 --> 00:16:38,740
What's that?

362
00:16:38,740 --> 00:16:39,740
858 Current Highway.

363
00:16:39,740 --> 00:16:40,740
Wait a minute.

364
00:16:40,740 --> 00:16:41,740
Wait, what?

365
00:16:41,740 --> 00:16:42,740
pediatric lung there.

366
00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:43,740
Wait a minute.

367
00:16:43,740 --> 00:16:44,740
Pete, what?

368
00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:45,740
858 Current Highway.

369
00:16:45,740 --> 00:16:47,120
Thank you.

370
00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,120
He rents from me.

371
00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,120
Oh.

372
00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,120
Off the top of your head?

373
00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,120
All right.

374
00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,139
So I'll just, yeah, as long as you go.

375
00:16:54,139 --> 00:16:55,139
Those are your cameras back there?

376
00:16:55,139 --> 00:16:56,139
All of them.

377
00:16:56,139 --> 00:16:57,139
So you've seen them.

378
00:16:58,139 --> 00:16:58,220
Oh, yeah.

379
00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:20,559
I don't think they did, because they did it late.

380
00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:25,309
They are trimming along there.

381
00:17:25,309 --> 00:17:27,630
Why is that ditch there?

382
00:17:27,630 --> 00:17:29,630
Because there's a culvert there.

383
00:17:29,630 --> 00:17:35,630
Wouldn't that be for the highway system that I've been talking about, where they never clean out any of these ditches at all?

384
00:17:35,630 --> 00:17:38,630
How far back are they going to clean down there?

385
00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:40,630
If it's a ditch they installed, it's their ditch.

386
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:42,630
All the way down to the highway?

387
00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:44,630
Sure. Why not?

388
00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:48,630
If it's part of a reasonable thing, it's their ditch.

389
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:51,720
I don't think it's their responsibility.

390
00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,819
The river goes down to clean that out last year.

391
00:17:54,819 --> 00:17:56,819
I don't think they did.

392
00:17:56,819 --> 00:18:02,819
It's just so cool for thought, because these culverts are not working in the center of town along the highway system.

393
00:18:02,819 --> 00:18:04,819
They haven't worked for a long time.

394
00:18:04,819 --> 00:18:06,880
Clean ditch.

395
00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:07,880
Well, wait a minute.

396
00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,880
When I don't think it's official, the mower clean up is a cloud damage standard.

397
00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,880
Pick up and remove branches and vegetation debris prior to first mowing.

398
00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:15,880
We can add...

399
00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,880
It says along ditch, right?

400
00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,880
It says trim the ditch.

401
00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,880
Along the ditch, not the out the ditch.

402
00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,880
So on number one, do we want to ask them to clean out the ditch?

403
00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,880
I would just probably remove debris there.

404
00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,880
Remove debris from ditch and weed bucket once a year, maybe.

405
00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:33,880
If he does.

406
00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:34,880
The branch is injured.

407
00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,880
Once in the spring, once in the fall.

408
00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,880
Remove, two, three.

409
00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,980
Can't you have the kids do it?

410
00:18:40,980 --> 00:18:42,980
I don't know how entrenched it is.

411
00:18:42,980 --> 00:18:43,980
They would have in the fifties.

412
00:18:43,980 --> 00:18:45,980
It's 50 feet filled in.

413
00:18:45,980 --> 00:18:46,980
You're a field trap.

414
00:18:46,980 --> 00:18:47,980
Where are we going?

415
00:18:47,980 --> 00:18:49,980
Over to that ditch.

416
00:18:49,980 --> 00:18:54,980
I mean, the culvert in my area that comes from the highway is literally just three quarters of a mile.

417
00:18:54,980 --> 00:18:58,980
I dug out and it just flooded my well, which was flooded my basement.

418
00:18:58,980 --> 00:18:59,980
Well, that's the thing.

419
00:18:59,980 --> 00:19:02,980
You won't dig them out and then they'll say, hey, you got wetlands on your front lawn.

420
00:19:02,980 --> 00:19:03,980
You can't do it.

421
00:19:03,980 --> 00:19:04,980
That's the bad thing to ditch out.

422
00:19:04,980 --> 00:19:05,980
Exactly.

423
00:19:05,980 --> 00:19:06,980
Well, you can go do it.

424
00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:07,980
Hey, you got a permit for that?

425
00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:08,980
Yeah.

426
00:19:08,980 --> 00:19:10,329
Yeah.

427
00:19:10,329 --> 00:19:15,319
So, um, it's January.

428
00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:27,559
Probably this could be at the bottom of the pile and maybe send the bids out in, in, uh, probably March.

429
00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:28,559
The moment in June.

430
00:19:28,559 --> 00:19:29,559
Mid-March.

431
00:19:29,559 --> 00:19:34,559
Hopefully, uh, by May we start seeing some flowers out there, yeah.

432
00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:35,559
Yeah.

433
00:19:35,559 --> 00:19:36,559
Hopefully that's about right.

434
00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:38,559
Probably one big rainstorm.

435
00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:40,559
When the snow goes and...

436
00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:44,559
So you send in mid-March and then you can pick your dates then?

437
00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:45,559
Yeah.

438
00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:47,400
Yeah.

439
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,400
Okay.

440
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,400
Prepare for town meeting.

441
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,400
Um, Sheila said she didn't get her town report yet.

442
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,460
I don't know if they're both marked for me.

443
00:19:56,460 --> 00:19:57,460
I didn't get it.

444
00:19:57,460 --> 00:19:58,460
Are they mailed?

445
00:19:58,460 --> 00:19:59,460
No.

446
00:19:59,460 --> 00:20:00,460
I got these.

447
00:20:00,460 --> 00:20:02,460
They went out Tuesday afternoon.

448
00:20:02,460 --> 00:20:04,460
We got a direct feed on this thing.

449
00:20:04,460 --> 00:20:05,460
I mean, you can look at it.

450
00:20:05,460 --> 00:20:06,460
Oh, no.

451
00:20:06,460 --> 00:20:07,460
You got two?

452
00:20:07,460 --> 00:20:08,460
Yeah.

453
00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:09,460
Yeah, I was curious.

454
00:20:09,460 --> 00:20:16,460
I don't know if you surprised me, I just got a return to sender for a Christmas card

455
00:20:16,460 --> 00:20:17,460
we sent to my brother.

456
00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:18,460
There's a card for him.

457
00:20:18,460 --> 00:20:19,460
I just got it three days ago.

458
00:20:19,460 --> 00:20:20,460
Return to sender.

459
00:20:20,460 --> 00:20:31,460
I'm supposed to have, I get a package just about every day between my wife and my business.

460
00:20:31,460 --> 00:20:32,460
Yeah.

461
00:20:32,460 --> 00:20:33,460
And every day almost.

462
00:20:33,460 --> 00:20:34,460
I get a message that says, unable to send.

463
00:20:34,460 --> 00:20:35,460
I don't know.

464
00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:37,460
That says, unable to deliver package.

465
00:20:37,460 --> 00:20:38,460
Yeah.

466
00:20:38,460 --> 00:20:42,460
And it's, and I call the post office and I'm like, um, like, what do you mean it's

467
00:20:42,460 --> 00:20:43,460
unable to deliver package?

468
00:20:43,460 --> 00:20:44,460
I'm on the main road.

469
00:20:44,460 --> 00:20:45,460
Right.

470
00:20:45,460 --> 00:20:46,460
Like my mailbox is clear.

471
00:20:46,460 --> 00:20:47,460
It's even more clear now.

472
00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:48,460
Right.

473
00:20:48,460 --> 00:20:49,460
And they're like, they're like, oh, they, it dropped between the seat and they didn't

474
00:20:49,460 --> 00:20:50,460
see it.

475
00:20:50,460 --> 00:20:51,460
And it's like, I hear that all the time.

476
00:20:51,460 --> 00:20:52,460
Like it just happened again yesterday.

477
00:20:52,460 --> 00:20:53,460
Yeah.

478
00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:54,460
And then if they redelivered, like, I just think that, that just, we're not consistent

479
00:20:54,460 --> 00:20:55,460
yet.

480
00:20:55,460 --> 00:20:56,460
I think they have good faith.

481
00:20:56,460 --> 00:20:57,460
Sure.

482
00:20:57,460 --> 00:20:58,460
You know.

483
00:20:58,460 --> 00:20:59,460
It's a new girl.

484
00:20:59,460 --> 00:21:00,460
It's a new girl.

485
00:21:00,460 --> 00:21:01,460
It's a new girl.

486
00:21:01,460 --> 00:21:02,460
It's a new girl.

487
00:21:02,460 --> 00:21:03,460
Yeah.

488
00:21:03,460 --> 00:21:04,460
I think she struggled a little bit.

489
00:21:04,460 --> 00:21:05,460
But she'll get there.

490
00:21:05,460 --> 00:21:06,460
But I got it.

491
00:21:06,460 --> 00:21:07,460
It wasn't too far away at least.

492
00:21:07,460 --> 00:21:08,460
No, I got it close.

493
00:21:08,460 --> 00:21:09,460
Priority mail.

494
00:21:09,460 --> 00:21:10,460
I got it.

495
00:21:10,460 --> 00:21:11,460
Call them up and hold a ransom, you know.

496
00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:12,460
I got some crazy mail.

497
00:21:12,460 --> 00:21:13,460
I walked the road one day and I was like, oh, that's a big.

498
00:21:13,460 --> 00:21:14,460
The good thing is once you get this route down, there's probably not much turnover

499
00:21:14,460 --> 00:21:15,460
on it.

500
00:21:15,460 --> 00:21:16,460
Right.

501
00:21:16,460 --> 00:21:17,460
It's the same name for 30 years.

502
00:21:17,460 --> 00:21:18,460
Yeah.

503
00:21:18,460 --> 00:21:19,460
So we all sat with town meeting.

504
00:21:19,460 --> 00:21:20,460
The school goes first.

505
00:21:20,460 --> 00:21:21,460
We all sit with town meeting.

506
00:21:21,460 --> 00:21:22,460
We all sit with town meeting.

507
00:21:22,460 --> 00:21:23,460
We all sit with town meeting.

508
00:21:23,460 --> 00:21:24,460
We all sit with town meeting.

509
00:21:24,460 --> 00:21:25,460
We all sit with town meeting.

510
00:21:25,460 --> 00:21:26,460
We all sit with town meeting.

511
00:21:26,460 --> 00:21:27,460
We all sit with town meeting.

512
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:28,460
We all sit with town meeting.

513
00:21:28,460 --> 00:21:29,460
The school goes first at 7.

514
00:21:29,460 --> 00:21:30,460
And theirs is mostly discussion.

515
00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:31,460
There's going to be no vote.

516
00:21:31,460 --> 00:21:32,460
And.

517
00:21:32,460 --> 00:21:33,460
You all just go.

518
00:21:33,460 --> 00:21:34,460
Okay.

519
00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:35,460
Okay.

520
00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:36,779
Lisa.

521
00:21:36,779 --> 00:21:52,799
Would it be okay for the chair of the planning commission to stand up and just say that

522
00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:57,799
we finished the draft of the bylaw that's going to be going to the select board and off

523
00:21:57,799 --> 00:21:58,799
to the board?

524
00:21:58,799 --> 00:21:59,799
Uh, yeah.

525
00:21:59,799 --> 00:22:00,799
Okay.

526
00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:01,799
It's a.

527
00:22:01,799 --> 00:22:02,799
It's a great idea.

528
00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:03,799
It's a great idea.

529
00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:04,799
It's a great idea.

530
00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:05,799
But maybe we can have it at the end of the meeting.

531
00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:06,799
Yeah.

532
00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:07,799
We can have it at the end of the meeting.

533
00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:08,799
Yeah.

534
00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:09,799
And we can have it at the end of the meeting.

535
00:22:09,799 --> 00:22:10,960
And can we have the copies of that for people to look at so they can come to the hearing?

536
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,960
At the end of the meetings, they always give anybody any chance to bring up any new

537
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:12,960
discussion.

538
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:13,960
Talk to the moderator.

539
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:14,960
Yeah.

540
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:15,960
Because he's all set.

541
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,960
I don't know if it happened earlier.

542
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:17,960
Yeah.

543
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:18,960
Yeah.

544
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:19,960
Okay.

545
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,960
But yeah.

546
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:21,960
At the end of the meeting, he'll say any and all discussion of town business,

547
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:27,559
you can raise your hand and just say it might be okay to do it after the school board meeting on

548
00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:34,200
their article eight because some people or maybe a lot of people will leave that it's the same

549
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:40,279
message in both meetings okay you just want people to be able to be aware of the hearing sure yeah

550
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,000
i think usually when the school goes first more people stick around

551
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:52,559
i think so yeah for the spot yeah i mean if the select parts first most people leave nobody cares

552
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:10,720
it's a lot harder to understand a school than it is the top so school has these a lot of algorithms

553
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,920
in there and it's an entity that makes up everything that

554
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:21,039
is not there so you have your boards there but the entity the union is not there to answer any

555
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:26,480
of the questions and that when you look at it you say okay now this year not to throw you guys

556
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:33,279
under the bus but you almost went up 14 and your budget's one and a half times higher than the

557
00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:39,920
towns yet the people will question the columns budget that went up less than five percent more

558
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,839
than a question of a two and a half million dollar budget at four and a half million dollars

559
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,680
percent and there won't be any questions because i think that people don't understand

560
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,079
i mean what's happening and you're not going to change it unless you don't vote the budget yeah

561
00:23:54,079 --> 00:23:58,240
i mean historically i think the town always used to go first right we didn't do this ultimate

562
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,680
anything until recently it's not always about first in the gym at mto yeah it's time to talk

563
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:09,680
about the money and i'm not trying to sort of steal your thoughts i'm just saying is when

564
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,680
you hear in what i call the rumor mill

565
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,880
there the facebook rumor mill and then people talking at the dump or everything and they're

566
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:25,359
saying boy you know the town spent a lot of money you're right a million dollars a lot of money but

567
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:32,400
two and a half million dollars a lot more time went up five percent it's going up 14 what's higher

568
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:40,160
five percent of a million or 14 percent yeah i mean it this is one-on-one basic health care is

569
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,359
the biggest well sure it is we have healthcare

570
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:50,559
in the union right we have not terrible not currently oh sure but it it but to ask questions

571
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:55,759
and say okay how's this let's ask questions through all this money how are the school grades

572
00:24:55,759 --> 00:25:00,160
doing compared to the rest of the state or how are the school grades doing compared to the rest of

573
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:05,200
the country you know what's going on and ask those questions and then when you get them and that's

574
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:11,819
like i said that's something that should be in a school board meeting but school board meetings give

575
00:25:11,819 --> 00:25:12,539
you two minutes

576
00:25:14,890 --> 00:25:26,440
so it's it should be answered and that i'm not again i'm sorry i'm bringing it all up

577
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:32,119
but you know when it comes to town meetings i truly believe that there's more people that are

578
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:37,640
concerned about the town budget than a school board budget yeah in the town budget if you

579
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,240
pick it apart and the people that come here all the time you guys understand

580
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:44,920
you know you guys get it but the people that never come

581
00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:50,440
to these meetings and they look at it and go well you know they gave out a raise yeah we also

582
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:55,000
bought a excavator uh you know that paid for for all these grants

583
00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:02,920
everywhere i mean nationwide whether we want to have a public school system or not right

584
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:08,839
one of the inceptions the whole idea behind property tax essentially was to fund public

585
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:12,920
school education right right it was the fun education but it's just too far out of balance

586
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,839
oh i agree and like that said there's so

587
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:20,279
many mandates that they come down so you've got to do you got to but they don't have any decisions

588
00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:28,279
i mean no very little so you think about that that work mandate think about that as the state's

589
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:35,079
telling your town what to do if i came into your household and told you how to wash dishes

590
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:41,240
you tell me go to heck get out right and that's what they're telling us and they're

591
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,279
starting to flow into us starting to flow into the

592
00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:49,559
department and you're not and what laurie does you mandate the ethics

593
00:26:50,670 --> 00:26:55,710
uh codes this year we had an ethics code already but now there's a mandate you have to take a pass

594
00:26:55,710 --> 00:27:01,549
now you know and i'm not saying it's bad i'm just saying that everything's you know the reevaluations

595
00:27:01,549 --> 00:27:07,869
of our home over all our land it was mandated yeah we're saying that there's very little local

596
00:27:07,869 --> 00:27:14,910
local control right so we're good then with town meeting we know how we're going to answer all these

597
00:27:15,150 --> 00:27:26,319
questions that come up and sure okay whatever we i don't know if you can ever prepare i mean you go

598
00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:30,559
out there and you go oh i know they're going to ask this and then they ask a question like where

599
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:37,519
did that come from section one two three i'd find that perform better a little bit later yeah

600
00:27:39,579 --> 00:27:43,799
okay ethics commission update oh we got a lot doug

601
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:46,690
so

602
00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:56,700
we gave you some things to look at lots of stuff to look at well we did appoint an ethics liaison

603
00:27:56,700 --> 00:28:07,660
so that's done and you're registered with the state yes yeah okay and here's somebody coming

604
00:28:07,660 --> 00:28:11,980
in yeah i'll be coming after you okay where are you going to have mandates now

605
00:28:13,579 --> 00:28:14,779
you have to try them all the time

606
00:28:19,019 --> 00:28:21,740
so paperwork you sent us uh the

607
00:28:22,059 --> 00:28:27,500
municipal code of ethics that's all state law are you saying that we need to put this

608
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:32,299
on our website or yeah we probably should i was just i just gave that as a suggestion

609
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,720
we take the state and use it ourselves you know just kind of stand for that's what we're going to

610
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:44,000
follow well this is the right out of the law this is the law out of the green book so do we want all

611
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:51,680
these laws no oh i thought i gave something else there on our website following this i took part out

612
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:59,279
there that specifically again if you go into the website and you go to municipal

613
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:04,880
and they have the ethics that you should have so i'm just saying just rather than

614
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,200
sit down and deliberate just take that right out because it covers pretty much everything

615
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:16,079
right they had a state model policy and then a municipal policy so that's what i grabbed um

616
00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:22,349
i think we just take the municipal policy and use that yep um and then there were two

617
00:29:22,509 --> 00:29:29,529
two documents that they said the town just had to post on the website kind of as-is yeah those

618
00:29:29,529 --> 00:29:35,109
I'm okay with we have a code of a conflict of interest policy that's

619
00:29:35,109 --> 00:29:41,579
probably going to be overridden by the new policy but on the new policy they've

620
00:29:41,579 --> 00:29:50,630
got some positions in here that I don't think we need like town manager

621
00:29:50,630 --> 00:30:03,000
water commissioner yeah so if we look these over yes yeah and this thing that

622
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,259
I just passed out to you tonight I was working on it's the process for

623
00:30:07,259 --> 00:30:12,900
investigation and enforcement of the ethical violations and if you look there

624
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:18,359
I did take up part naming the municipal officers and did defining them who

625
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:21,279
should take the

626
00:30:21,299 --> 00:30:25,559
pretty much comes down to just about everything yeah we don't hurt anybody to

627
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:35,619
take it it's right and what I did was go to love to use the city or the town of

628
00:30:35,619 --> 00:30:41,759
Middlebury and then the town of Canyon Canyon has got like something like 322

629
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:48,400
people Bill Berry's got this big fairly by the law standards big setup and I

630
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,259
just tried to take ideas out of both of them

631
00:30:51,259 --> 00:30:51,279
I just tried to take ideas out of both of them

632
00:30:51,299 --> 00:30:58,230
because obviously the town of Canaan is going to be a lot closer to

633
00:30:58,230 --> 00:31:03,069
Stamford and middlebury so that's what I did and here's the procedures for the

634
00:31:03,069 --> 00:31:06,809
findings and the actions of the appeal

635
00:31:06,809 --> 00:31:16,730
will that go on yeah because that's one of the things that has to be on there is the process for investigation and enforcement of

636
00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:21,390
ethical violations now I put a spot here for the forms to go on I'm not

637
00:31:21,390 --> 00:31:28,900
sure how we would do that the thing is you've got two forms I mentioned this I

638
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:33,579
think the last meeting one is one that you can fill out and send by computer

639
00:31:33,579 --> 00:31:39,160
right up to the state the other one you can print out fill it out by hand your

640
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,900
typewriter or whatever you can send it or mail it up to them the only thing is

641
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:51,740
if you do that they want you to call them and say it's out of the way for whatever reason I guess they just can't send it out

642
00:31:51,940 --> 00:31:53,940
yeah

643
00:31:53,940 --> 00:31:55,940
got lost in the mail

644
00:31:55,940 --> 00:31:57,940
yeah

645
00:31:57,940 --> 00:32:11,470
okay so this can go on how about this Vermont code of ethics identifying conflict of interest this flow sheet

646
00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:18,470
I think that's more for us isn't it like to idealize a conflict or not a conflict

647
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:23,430
because remember we're going on anything that is a conflict or abuse the

648
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:28,470
so somebody feels there's a conflict which means there was a lot of paperwork

649
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:37,799
send it up get it started when the townsperson has a conflict any they

650
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:44,839
fill out this paperwork is there again I'm just gonna be blunt here we've

651
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:55,599
already had this happen okay if a townsperson comes to this board and ask to decide or solve a problem

652
00:32:55,700 --> 00:33:08,859
Can we, I guess you'd call it, nip it in the bud and say, let's just take care of it, the conflict changed or went away and the person's happy with that.

653
00:33:08,859 --> 00:33:11,400
You know what I mean?

654
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,400
I don't see no reason why we can't be proactive about any of this.

655
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:20,400
So, to me, the situation that we're in right now I think can be fixed very easily.

656
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,400
Sure.

657
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:28,400
Instead of drawing it out, making the person send it to the state and go through that.

658
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:39,750
In the meantime, if there's a conflict of interest, the state deems it is, that time period it takes, that conflict keeps happening.

659
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:50,990
So, what if we have a case come up in front of us, there's a decision made, with the conflict happening,

660
00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:53,990
then two months or a year later,

661
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:56,990
a month later, it comes back and the state says,

662
00:33:56,990 --> 00:34:00,220
yes, we deem that as a conflict of interest,

663
00:34:00,220 --> 00:34:06,220
the party involved can come back and say, well, you made this decision this way,

664
00:34:06,220 --> 00:34:09,219
I want it changed now because you had a conflict of interest.

665
00:34:09,219 --> 00:34:12,219
If not, here's my lawyer's name.

666
00:34:12,219 --> 00:34:16,219
You know, and I'm not saying it's going to blow that far, but I'm just saying is,

667
00:34:16,219 --> 00:34:20,219
once you want to solve a problem for the town,

668
00:34:20,219 --> 00:34:23,250
it's clearly,

669
00:34:23,250 --> 00:34:24,250
I'll,

670
00:34:24,250 --> 00:34:26,250
it appears,

671
00:34:26,250 --> 00:34:32,250
If it appears to us as a board, it's our perception that it's a

672
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:33,250
And we can change that.

673
00:34:33,250 --> 00:34:35,250
That's the perception, right?

674
00:34:35,250 --> 00:34:36,250
Right.

675
00:34:36,250 --> 00:34:39,250
So why would we try to fix that then?

676
00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:44,309
Okay, I see what you're saying, and it would be nice if we could do it locally.

677
00:34:44,309 --> 00:34:48,309
But that's when you open yourself up to a lot of confusion.

678
00:34:48,309 --> 00:34:53,309
If you send it up, I mean, anybody can come and talk to us.

679
00:34:53,309 --> 00:34:55,309
That doesn't hurt.

680
00:34:55,309 --> 00:35:00,599
But rather than us make the decision, I think we should send it up,

681
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:02,920
let them look at it.

682
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,920
They may look at it and say, yeah, there's something here.

683
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,920
They'll send us down what they want us to investigate.

684
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,920
Or they'll say, yeah, there's something here, but it's not big enough to diminish, they call it.

685
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,920
But we could always be more stringent than...

686
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,920
Well, okay, listen.

687
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:22,920
Here's what we're going to get into.

688
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,920
And this is the last thing I'm going to say about it.

689
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,920
We can open up a can of worms.

690
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,920
We can make this as complicated as hell.

691
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,920
This is a process.

692
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:37,920
If everybody follows it, there's all kinds of places along the way for it to stop.

693
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,920
It may stop up there.

694
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,920
It may come down here.

695
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:47,920
And if somebody comes in and says, well, I want to withdraw it, they can notify the...

696
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:48,920
I agree.

697
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,920
So what if someone comes in and they want to pop by?

698
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:57,019
And they come in months to appoint a position for conflicting boards?

699
00:35:57,019 --> 00:36:00,019
Can we make that decision right here that we perceive it as a conflict?

700
00:36:00,019 --> 00:36:02,019
Or do we have to send that off to them?

701
00:36:02,019 --> 00:36:03,019
I think...

702
00:36:03,019 --> 00:36:05,210
I'm sticking with that.

703
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:06,210
I'm sticking with that.

704
00:36:06,210 --> 00:36:08,210
I'm saying send it up.

705
00:36:08,210 --> 00:36:11,210
If it's important enough, then it should be important.

706
00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:20,300
I also think that if we have the ability as a board to change a process about anything,

707
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:21,300
if there was no conflict,

708
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:27,400
and just the board itself said, geez, you know, after meeting the state ethics law,

709
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,400
I think that we might want to watch out for this.

710
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,400
Why don't we have a policy put in place?

711
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:41,400
I think that a board member should be able to say, okay, my policy is that we're not going to allow a select board member to sit on a plan board anymore.

712
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,400
Sure.

713
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,400
And that's...

714
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,400
At some point...

715
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,400
And they can be voted on.

716
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,400
At some point, maybe it's our responsibility to protect people from themselves.

717
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,400
Well...

718
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,400
I think we should...

719
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,400
Go ahead, Doug.

720
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,400
No, I was just going to say what I was going to say.

721
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,400
I put this out there.

722
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,690
Fine.

723
00:36:58,690 --> 00:37:00,690
But they're the experts on it.

724
00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:02,690
They're the ones that are getting all this done.

725
00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:05,690
And it can be nipped in the bud if the person sends it up.

726
00:37:05,690 --> 00:37:07,690
They can look at it.

727
00:37:07,690 --> 00:37:08,690
That's fine.

728
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:10,690
If we're going to start handling it locally...

729
00:37:10,690 --> 00:37:13,690
Eventually, we'll have to handle it locally anyway.

730
00:37:13,690 --> 00:37:16,690
If the state says it's a violation, we have to handle it locally anyway.

731
00:37:16,690 --> 00:37:19,690
We can handle it, but you're talking, I think, two different things here.

732
00:37:19,690 --> 00:37:22,690
They're going to say, okay, this is the information we need.

733
00:37:22,690 --> 00:37:23,690
Yeah.

734
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:24,690
And that's when we handle it locally.

735
00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:25,690
But there's such a small window now for an investigation.

736
00:37:25,690 --> 00:37:26,690
With the whole new...

737
00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:27,690
It's a perception.

738
00:37:27,690 --> 00:37:28,690
That's almost...

739
00:37:28,690 --> 00:37:29,690
So do you feel that...

740
00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:30,690
One person perceives it, and that's the perception.

741
00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:31,690
I feel we ought to stick to the state policy.

742
00:37:31,690 --> 00:37:32,690
Do you feel that if the state comes down and says, we feel there is no violation, even

743
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:33,690
if the board still feels there's a violation, we shouldn't do anything?

744
00:37:33,690 --> 00:37:34,690
No.

745
00:37:34,690 --> 00:37:35,690
No.

746
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:36,690
No.

747
00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:37,750
No.

748
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:38,750
No.

749
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:39,750
No.

750
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:40,750
No.

751
00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:41,750
No.

752
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:42,750
No.

753
00:37:42,750 --> 00:37:43,750
No.

754
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:44,750
No.

755
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:45,750
No.

756
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:46,750
No.

757
00:37:46,750 --> 00:37:47,750
No.

758
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:48,750
No.

759
00:37:48,750 --> 00:37:49,750
No.

760
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:51,170
No.

761
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:52,170
No.

762
00:37:52,170 --> 00:37:53,170
Yeah.

763
00:37:53,170 --> 00:37:55,469
I think we've got to go with the experts, because if they say they're going to...

764
00:37:55,469 --> 00:38:03,070
According to the laws and that the total picture, if they say it's not, then it's not.

765
00:38:03,070 --> 00:38:04,329
Why do we want to make it if it weren't?

766
00:38:04,329 --> 00:38:10,849
Because I don't have...

767
00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:11,869
When we say they're experts...

768
00:38:11,869 --> 00:38:12,869
So I took...

769
00:38:12,869 --> 00:38:13,869
I'm using the word expert.

770
00:38:13,869 --> 00:38:17,630
Well, I took ethics courses, and I taught ethics in the hunter safety courts for 21

771
00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:18,630
years.

772
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:19,630
Yeah.

773
00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:20,530
So I guess I would consider it an expert building of ethics.

774
00:38:20,530 --> 00:38:26,829
myself a at least semi expert in ethics and I would look and say that I think

775
00:38:26,829 --> 00:38:34,510
that sometimes there's common sense in ethics you know and to me that means

776
00:38:34,510 --> 00:38:42,960
something and that is a being an ethical person I would want to make sure that

777
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:49,590
things are done correctly even if the state doesn't look at it that way I

778
00:38:49,590 --> 00:38:56,179
think sometimes we locally see things different than the state does that's

779
00:38:56,179 --> 00:39:03,119
just my opinion. But the state set what the ethics are. Sure do and they can set what the

780
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:08,639
ethics are but we can still and that's right it's that we can be more stringent

781
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:16,639
but this we can also make policies that will avoid it all together. It is harmless to avoid it all together.

782
00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:18,920
We could create an ordinance right now and end the whole thing.

783
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:19,420
I agree.

784
00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:19,920
Thank you.

785
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,019
Thank you.

786
00:39:20,019 --> 00:39:26,739
So a couple things just to touch base on the whole thing like Kirk said you can

787
00:39:26,739 --> 00:39:32,800
definitely go more strict than what that policy states which isn't necessarily a

788
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:40,599
bad idea for example it does not say that the person that sits on that board

789
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:45,139
if there is a conflict of interest that arises and they are a voting member of

790
00:39:45,139 --> 00:39:49,900
that board in a vote does that say that they have to leave the room

791
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:59,139
with the deliberation before the vote but it is highly recommended that that person leave the room in the deliberation prior to the vote.

792
00:39:59,139 --> 00:40:06,550
So that is something like the town can make more go higher than the state level.

793
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:12,190
Okay more stringent and the other thing is that I wanted to touch base on really quick from what Doug said like

794
00:40:12,909 --> 00:40:19,510
whatever you guys choose you guys choose this is why we vote you guys in this is why you guys are the board but you have I want you to take and

795
00:40:19,989 --> 00:40:32,980
take the consideration I'm hoping you will that if you if a conflict of interest arises it's been brought to you and then sent in the appropriate channel chain the

796
00:40:32,980 --> 00:40:40,500
plan up there and you guys are aware of it now you need to stop it now until the

797
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:48,960
investigation is done like so for example let's say I'll use me I am sitting on a

798
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,539
board that

799
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,019
I can make a financial gain from it,

800
00:40:54,019 --> 00:40:56,059
for something that has come up.

801
00:40:56,059 --> 00:41:00,559
I am sitting in there and I make a vote that benefits me.

802
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:01,980
You will not recuse yourself.

803
00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:03,900
Okay, I will not recuse myself, okay?

804
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:06,360
There's a conflict of interest there, it's cut and dry,

805
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,440
it's pretty obvious, somebody sends a letter in,

806
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,340
you guys are aware of it, it goes up

807
00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:14,760
and you let it stay status quo until we get

808
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,679
the drop down from their decision,

809
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:19,960
but then again, I'm in another meeting or two

810
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,360
and I'm still voting.

811
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,960
Right, that's what I'm trying to say.

812
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,340
So my point is, is that I think that if a conflict

813
00:41:26,340 --> 00:41:29,420
is perceived or brought to you, and regardless

814
00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:31,679
if you deem it to be a conflict of interest,

815
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:35,340
it's a perception of, and it gets sent to the state,

816
00:41:35,340 --> 00:41:39,980
it would behoove the board to pending the outcome

817
00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:44,219
to either remove any individual, individuals,

818
00:41:44,219 --> 00:41:48,780
whatever the case may be, from the conflict

819
00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:49,940
all around until that comes in.

820
00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:53,280
It's almost like when somebody gets put on paid leave,

821
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,900
you know, following an investigation,

822
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:55,739
you know what I mean?

823
00:41:55,739 --> 00:41:57,119
Okay, I see what you're saying,

824
00:41:57,119 --> 00:41:59,380
but I think there's a lot of laws,

825
00:42:03,539 --> 00:42:07,110
I think there's a lot of laws other than in here

826
00:42:07,110 --> 00:42:09,670
that cover this sort of stuff.

827
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:15,539
For example, as we said, somebody can recuse themselves,

828
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,960
but they can still go to the meeting.

829
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,000
We've talked about this.

830
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,159
They can still go to a meeting.

831
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:26,500
They still can express, put in their two cents.

832
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:29,119
The only thing they can't do is vote.

833
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:31,840
What I'm saying is there's other laws, and...

834
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,260
But the ethics committee frowns on that, actually.

835
00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:35,099
Yeah.

836
00:42:35,099 --> 00:42:37,719
They, she made it very clear in an email

837
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,599
that I passed out that she said it would be

838
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:42,679
in the town's best interest for that person

839
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:44,679
to leave the meeting.

840
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:46,940
They can't tell you, too, because it's not

841
00:42:46,940 --> 00:42:50,880
in the ethics laws, but it would behoove

842
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,559
the town or towns to not have that person present

843
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:59,559
during the discussion prior to the vote

844
00:42:59,739 --> 00:43:04,739
because they can sway a vote by what they say.

845
00:43:04,739 --> 00:43:07,519
But see, the punchline is that the person

846
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:09,260
that should remove themselves from the room

847
00:43:09,260 --> 00:43:11,219
is the one that's gonna benefit the most.

848
00:43:11,219 --> 00:43:12,940
So they should just recuse themselves

849
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:14,519
and remove themselves from the room.

850
00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:15,460
I'm not disagreeing.

851
00:43:15,460 --> 00:43:20,500
What I'm trying to say to you is that if somebody, there's a law,

852
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:26,559
at least from the readings I've done, as we said,

853
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:29,659
the person can recuse themselves from voting,

854
00:43:29,659 --> 00:43:33,840
but they have the right to be in there,

855
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,059
and we as a town don't have the right to tell them

856
00:43:36,059 --> 00:43:38,440
to get out, and they have to...

857
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,119
I know, I saw your thing from what I'm hearing.

858
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:42,980
It behooves us.

859
00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:46,179
But what I'm saying is we'd be overstepping our bounds

860
00:43:46,179 --> 00:43:47,719
if we say, out.

861
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:48,559
No, that's the...

862
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:50,179
We have a policy that everyone has.

863
00:43:50,179 --> 00:43:51,679
But you're not overstepping your bounds.

864
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:52,519
You're overstepping your bounds.

865
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:53,340
It could be a second.

866
00:43:53,340 --> 00:43:55,380
Because you go to a meeting, and it's a meeting

867
00:43:55,380 --> 00:43:59,000
who has the right to speak, who has the right to vote.

868
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,300
It comes down to a matter of,

869
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:05,519
which I'm thinking of a term now, due process.

870
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:09,880
If there, well, let's get off the money part of it.

871
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,500
What if there was a violation on one of our boards

872
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:15,079
that was different in money?

873
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:16,679
Say it was a sexual harassment.

874
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,199
One of our board members sexually harassed

875
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:21,960
another board member.

876
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,420
Right in the middle.

877
00:44:24,420 --> 00:44:29,949
And then it comes to us, do we wait?

878
00:44:29,949 --> 00:44:35,360
Or do we suspend until there's an outcome of the...

879
00:44:35,699 --> 00:44:36,539
You know what I mean?

880
00:44:36,539 --> 00:44:37,380
Kind of like a teacher.

881
00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:40,079
If a teacher, if a kid said a teacher did something,

882
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:42,780
they suspend a teacher with pay, of course.

883
00:44:42,780 --> 00:44:44,119
They suspend a teacher.

884
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:46,440
We're law enforcement, same thing.

885
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,460
Until there's a, until they solve the issue.

886
00:44:50,460 --> 00:44:51,539
Yeah.

887
00:44:51,539 --> 00:44:53,340
Do we do, can we do that?

888
00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:55,340
That's, guess what I'm getting at,

889
00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:57,340
is we know we can fix it.

890
00:44:57,340 --> 00:45:00,139
But from your standpoint, we should wait for the process.

891
00:45:00,139 --> 00:45:00,980
Right?

892
00:45:00,980 --> 00:45:03,400
I'm saying we should vote for the process.

893
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,679
I mean, we can, I'm not saying this can't ever be tweaked,

894
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:08,780
or it's just written in stone forever.

895
00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:10,980
I think we have to be very careful.

896
00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:15,000
And from what I'm hearing here, these are all great ideas.

897
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,860
But pretty soon, it's gonna get so complicated.

898
00:45:17,860 --> 00:45:18,699
Okay.

899
00:45:18,699 --> 00:45:19,539
We're a small town.

900
00:45:19,539 --> 00:45:20,380
I do understand that.

901
00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:21,539
We're a small town.

902
00:45:21,539 --> 00:45:22,940
And this is the process.

903
00:45:23,340 --> 00:45:25,900
And how many complaints are we gonna get?

904
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:28,019
Right, well, since I've been on this board,

905
00:45:28,019 --> 00:45:29,119
I've only seen one.

906
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:29,960
Yeah.

907
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,219
But, you know, people said there was more.

908
00:45:32,219 --> 00:45:34,820
I've not seen anybody write anything or bring it to the board.

909
00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:36,179
Well, now there's a process to it.

910
00:45:36,179 --> 00:45:37,019
Yeah.

911
00:45:37,019 --> 00:45:39,559
But I mean, you know, ultimately, the vote,

912
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:42,260
I think we should go from what I've been doing,

913
00:45:42,260 --> 00:45:43,559
the reading I've been doing.

914
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:45,179
I agree with this process.

915
00:45:45,179 --> 00:45:46,260
I'm not against the process.

916
00:45:46,260 --> 00:45:50,679
I'm just saying, and I guess we'll talk about this

917
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:52,460
down the road with, you know,

918
00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:53,340
to an executive secretary.

919
00:45:53,340 --> 00:45:57,019
And I'll try to find some of the things that.

920
00:45:57,019 --> 00:45:58,579
It is a personal .

921
00:45:58,579 --> 00:46:04,739
I'm just saying, I don't have a problem with the process, guys.

922
00:46:04,739 --> 00:46:06,059
I'm not saying that.

923
00:46:06,059 --> 00:46:08,659
What I'm saying is we can fix it without the process,

924
00:46:08,659 --> 00:46:10,639
without you worrying about the process,

925
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:12,840
because it's a simple fix.

926
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:13,800
I think it is.

927
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,019
Maybe it's not.

928
00:46:15,019 --> 00:46:16,420
If you disagree, that's fine.

929
00:46:16,420 --> 00:46:18,119
I respect you 100%.

930
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:20,059
Well, we don't know specific to what you're saying.

931
00:46:20,059 --> 00:46:20,860
Right.

932
00:46:20,860 --> 00:46:21,460
Okay.

933
00:46:21,460 --> 00:46:22,219
Yeah.

934
00:46:22,219 --> 00:46:23,340
So we can discuss it.

935
00:46:23,340 --> 00:46:26,860
But I do think we have to be careful about fixing things

936
00:46:26,860 --> 00:46:29,019
ourselves, because if we overstep our bounds,

937
00:46:29,019 --> 00:46:30,460
this person might be happy.

938
00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:32,500
And then they get ticked at you for something.

939
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:34,019
So they call up, oh, wait a minute.

940
00:46:34,019 --> 00:46:38,139
These are possible to overstep our bounds in a policy

941
00:46:38,139 --> 00:46:40,099
where we can be more stringent than the law.

942
00:46:40,099 --> 00:46:40,599
Absolutely.

943
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:42,340
You can possibly overstep your bounds.

944
00:46:42,340 --> 00:46:43,099
Yeah, you can.

945
00:46:43,099 --> 00:46:43,599
How?

946
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:44,500
Yeah, you can.

947
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:47,340
Because like I said, there's other laws out there.

948
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:48,340
Who can speak?

949
00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:50,920
Who is in a public meeting?

950
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:51,420
Oh, I know.

951
00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:52,460
That type of thing.

952
00:46:52,460 --> 00:46:55,980
I saw an example in North Adams, where there was a person.

953
00:46:55,980 --> 00:47:01,139
And he went up during visitors' time, the visitors' talk.

954
00:47:01,139 --> 00:47:04,219
And he was kind of rude.

955
00:47:04,219 --> 00:47:06,219
But it was his time.

956
00:47:06,219 --> 00:47:08,340
There's freedom of speech.

957
00:47:08,340 --> 00:47:09,940
They threw him up.

958
00:47:09,940 --> 00:47:11,360
Then the next day, he came again.

959
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,559
They got a restraining order on the guy.

960
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:14,519
He took it to court.

961
00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:19,050
He won because of his first amount of right.

962
00:47:19,050 --> 00:47:21,170
Once he won, he sued the judge.

963
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:23,389
That's it.

964
00:47:23,389 --> 00:47:25,949
So I'm just saying, yeah, I agree with you.

965
00:47:25,949 --> 00:47:29,170
But I think we also can set policies

966
00:47:29,170 --> 00:47:31,469
of how we take care of our personnel.

967
00:47:31,469 --> 00:47:32,630
And part of that's our ..

968
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:34,630
So I think we could change anything.

969
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:37,590
Well, if you have personnel policy, that's ..

970
00:47:37,590 --> 00:47:40,550
I don't think that has anything to do with the ethics code,

971
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:43,550
like changing the way we ..

972
00:47:43,550 --> 00:47:45,889
Like when we change the lister.

973
00:47:45,889 --> 00:47:48,269
We could set a for example,

974
00:47:48,269 --> 00:47:49,610
any time we want to.

975
00:47:49,610 --> 00:47:50,150
Right.

976
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:53,190
So we could, like I was saying, when we change the lister from being

977
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:57,269
elected to being appointed, we could do those things.

978
00:47:57,269 --> 00:47:58,130
That's the law.

979
00:47:58,130 --> 00:48:01,929
And if we want to pay someone per this way or that way,

980
00:48:01,929 --> 00:48:03,750
I think we can't fix it.

981
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:04,309
That's ..

982
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:06,150
Those are ..

983
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:09,309
Payment matters.

984
00:48:09,309 --> 00:48:12,329
They're not ethics matters.

985
00:48:12,329 --> 00:48:13,590
See what I'm saying?

986
00:48:13,590 --> 00:48:14,550
Right.

987
00:48:14,550 --> 00:48:15,869
They are ethics matters.

988
00:48:15,869 --> 00:48:20,590
But in this particular case, that could help the ethics

989
00:48:20,590 --> 00:48:22,909
matter, if I were looking at it.

990
00:48:22,909 --> 00:48:25,789
If I were looking at a policy to change at the same time.

991
00:48:25,789 --> 00:48:26,750
Maybe it won't.

992
00:48:26,750 --> 00:48:27,289
Maybe it won't.

993
00:48:27,289 --> 00:48:29,449
Maybe the personnel will still sign with this thing.

994
00:48:29,449 --> 00:48:31,130
I'm just saying maybe it will.

995
00:48:31,130 --> 00:48:32,809
And I can't see it being a problem.

996
00:48:32,809 --> 00:48:35,550
But we'll talk about that some more.

997
00:48:35,550 --> 00:48:36,349
OK.

998
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:38,349
On to the whistleblower protection.

999
00:48:38,349 --> 00:48:41,329
This did not have to go online, or does it?

1000
00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:44,150
It just protects the whistleblower.

1001
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:45,230
I don't think that's it.

1002
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:46,550
I don't think ..

1003
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:49,090
The things I know ..

1004
00:48:49,090 --> 00:48:50,730
The process.

1005
00:48:50,730 --> 00:48:51,889
We get the ..

1006
00:48:51,889 --> 00:48:52,909
Who is ..

1007
00:48:52,909 --> 00:48:53,449
Ethics.

1008
00:48:53,449 --> 00:48:54,630
Yeah.

1009
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:59,360
And the forms.

1010
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,860
I don't think that had to go online.

1011
00:49:00,860 --> 00:49:01,639
I don't think so.

1012
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:02,139
OK.

1013
00:49:02,139 --> 00:49:04,739
Can you guys just talk about the conflict of interest?

1014
00:49:04,739 --> 00:49:05,239
I'm sorry.

1015
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,360
I walked in late.

1016
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,860
I saw something in the ..

1017
00:49:08,860 --> 00:49:11,659
Can I address something, since I think

1018
00:49:11,659 --> 00:49:15,320
it was kind of directed at me?

1019
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,780
In the last Selectmen's meeting, someone

1020
00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:19,159
distracted at you, for one.

1021
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:19,659
Not at all.

1022
00:49:19,659 --> 00:49:20,360
Oh, wait, wait, wait.

1023
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:20,940
There's no ..

1024
00:49:20,940 --> 00:49:22,480
We're just working on a policy.

1025
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,400
We're not doing any specifics.

1026
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,320
I read something that's always concerned

1027
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,760
about being on too many boards.

1028
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:30,559
It's written ..

1029
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:36,019
It's a new state ethics rules.

1030
00:49:36,019 --> 00:49:38,360
We're just going over which boards can't.

1031
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,179
They came out in January with a new state ethics code.

1032
00:49:41,179 --> 00:49:41,760
I read it.

1033
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,380
I know the ethics.

1034
00:49:42,380 --> 00:49:43,840
That's what we're just going over,

1035
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,239
which boards are conflicting and which aren't.

1036
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,360
And that's what I'm saying.

1037
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,639
I know what the law is, and the way it stands right now,

1038
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:52,840
you can be on ..

1039
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,300
Select Board, Conservation Board, and the Planning

1040
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:56,800
Commission.

1041
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,420
Unless someone perceives it as a conflict.

1042
00:50:00,420 --> 00:50:00,920
With no ..

1043
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:01,760
Let me finish.

1044
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,480
State law, no issue.

1045
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,800
So if a person understands judicial, legislative,

1046
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,519
and executive, and knows how to separate themselves out,

1047
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:12,960
shouldn't be an issue.

1048
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,599
For example, when Kurt wanted to be on the Planning Commission

1049
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,280
and the Select Board, he wanted to be the chairman.

1050
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,559
The chairman votes.

1051
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,059
So that's a situation where he's on a ..

1052
00:50:23,059 --> 00:50:26,420
Select Board, voting on something that he's advocating.

1053
00:50:26,420 --> 00:50:27,699
I didn't want to be anything, Dave.

1054
00:50:27,699 --> 00:50:28,699
People wanted me to be.

1055
00:50:28,699 --> 00:50:29,599
Let me finish, please.

1056
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:30,820
That's nothing but a ..

1057
00:50:30,820 --> 00:50:33,619
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

1058
00:50:33,619 --> 00:50:36,219
I'm not fed up with that kind of ..

1059
00:50:36,219 --> 00:50:38,179
Guys, you're not faithful, Dave.

1060
00:50:38,179 --> 00:50:39,820
You don't steal facts.

1061
00:50:39,820 --> 00:50:40,320
No.

1062
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,579
Just, Kurt, wait a minute.

1063
00:50:41,579 --> 00:50:42,380
State your case.

1064
00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:45,019
Five, just a minute, two minutes, the most.

1065
00:50:45,019 --> 00:50:45,780
State your facts.

1066
00:50:45,780 --> 00:50:47,099
What do you know with your people here?

1067
00:50:47,099 --> 00:50:48,000
Two minutes or five?

1068
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,199
Well, we've done already 15 minutes on this, so.

1069
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:53,019
I haven't only been speaking for a minute.

1070
00:50:53,059 --> 00:50:54,559
Well, keep going.

1071
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:56,119
OK, thank you.

1072
00:50:56,119 --> 00:51:00,039
All I'm trying to say is, in terms of these boards,

1073
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:03,219
it's you can be on the boards, but you really

1074
00:51:03,219 --> 00:51:04,940
have to know what you're doing.

1075
00:51:04,940 --> 00:51:07,900
I can outline five instances.

1076
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:09,940
Nobody's been crying about conflict and interest

1077
00:51:09,940 --> 00:51:12,039
in this town more than me.

1078
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:15,699
I approached you seven years ago about it.

1079
00:51:15,699 --> 00:51:18,280
Person on the Select Board, trying

1080
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,780
to get me off the planning commission

1081
00:51:19,780 --> 00:51:21,699
when I was out for an accident.

1082
00:51:21,699 --> 00:51:23,360
Got the people to vote on the planning

1083
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,699
commission, then went to the Select Board.

1084
00:51:25,699 --> 00:51:27,480
Total conflict of interest.

1085
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,590
You know you were part of it.

1086
00:51:30,590 --> 00:51:37,869
So my only point is that there are potential conflicts.

1087
00:51:37,869 --> 00:51:39,449
But if you know what you're doing,

1088
00:51:39,449 --> 00:51:42,550
you can't just say there's a conflict of interest.

1089
00:51:42,550 --> 00:51:47,590
So I would have a question that a board that creates rules

1090
00:51:47,590 --> 00:51:50,570
and then a board that also judges those rules

1091
00:51:50,570 --> 00:51:52,389
is definitely a conflict of interest.

1092
00:51:52,389 --> 00:51:53,590
That's an interesting point.

1093
00:51:53,590 --> 00:51:54,789
Let me tell you how that works.

1094
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:59,300
In a rural town, which we are, you

1095
00:51:59,300 --> 00:52:02,739
have three to nine members on the planning commission.

1096
00:52:02,739 --> 00:52:04,860
Three of those members in a rural town

1097
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:07,000
are allowed to be on the ZBA.

1098
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,420
They encourage it.

1099
00:52:08,420 --> 00:52:09,960
The reason they encourage that is

1100
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,719
because generally the people on the planning commission

1101
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,059
have more knowledge about the rules than anybody else.

1102
00:52:16,059 --> 00:52:19,400
So if you look up the statute, and I can give you the number,

1103
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,519
they recommend they have three.

1104
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:25,619
So what you're saying is Sheila, myself, yeah, we're the only two.

1105
00:52:25,619 --> 00:52:26,119
On.

1106
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:27,119
On.

1107
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:30,119
We shouldn't be on the board when the statute says we should be.

1108
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:32,539
Personally, I think you should pick one of the two.

1109
00:52:32,539 --> 00:52:34,699
It shouldn't be a personal thing.

1110
00:52:34,699 --> 00:52:35,699
It's not personal.

1111
00:52:35,699 --> 00:52:37,860
It's the law.

1112
00:52:37,860 --> 00:52:39,000
It's the law, Kurt.

1113
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:39,500
It's personal.

1114
00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:40,699
It's the law, the crew.

1115
00:52:40,699 --> 00:52:41,659
Do you want to move on?

1116
00:52:41,659 --> 00:52:42,500
It's not the law.

1117
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:43,940
Kurt, we're going to move on.

1118
00:52:43,940 --> 00:52:47,400
If you don't mind, Doug and I would

1119
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,460
like to consolidate this stuff and see

1120
00:52:49,460 --> 00:52:52,460
what's going to go online and what's not.

1121
00:52:52,460 --> 00:52:55,159
And then we'll try to have final for next time.

1122
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:55,659
Right.

1123
00:52:55,659 --> 00:52:59,360
And we'll send it to you ahead of time so you can review it.

1124
00:52:59,360 --> 00:52:59,860
OK.

1125
00:52:59,860 --> 00:53:00,360
Thank you.

1126
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,230
Now my papers are getting a lot here.

1127
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:04,730
OK.

1128
00:53:04,730 --> 00:53:08,809
Thank you very much.

1129
00:53:08,809 --> 00:53:11,300
Review job descriptions.

1130
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:19,960
Well, we have a recycling center monitor that is still working.

1131
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,440
I think one of his duties was about the incinerator.

1132
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,659
So I think that's kind of gone.

1133
00:53:27,659 --> 00:53:29,460
So if you want to look at that.

1134
00:53:29,460 --> 00:53:42,349
Road Commissioner, I would like Dave to look at that and give us his input.

1135
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:47,980
It is a requirement also by the town to have a recycling center.

1136
00:53:47,980 --> 00:53:49,380
It's a little.

1137
00:53:49,380 --> 00:53:51,980
If we want to get rid of it, we can.

1138
00:53:51,980 --> 00:53:52,480
I know.

1139
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,280
I was going to look into that.

1140
00:53:54,280 --> 00:54:01,340
And I know we recycle.

1141
00:54:01,340 --> 00:54:02,940
I don't know about garbage pickup.

1142
00:54:02,940 --> 00:54:05,480
But I think recycling we have to have.

1143
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,539
Do we have to have it?

1144
00:54:06,539 --> 00:54:07,679
Yeah, I looked into it.

1145
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:08,380
It's a state.

1146
00:54:08,380 --> 00:54:08,880
Yeah.

1147
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:15,019
Because we have to provide, we've got to provide.

1148
00:54:15,019 --> 00:54:15,519
Well.

1149
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:17,480
Oh, we don't need to lose money on it.

1150
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:17,980
No.

1151
00:54:17,980 --> 00:54:18,480
No.

1152
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:18,980
No.

1153
00:54:18,980 --> 00:54:19,480
No.

1154
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:20,579
That's not a topic.

1155
00:54:20,579 --> 00:54:21,079
I'm sorry.

1156
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:21,760
But that is.

1157
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:22,420
Yeah.

1158
00:54:22,420 --> 00:54:24,380
I don't know the answer to that.

1159
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:26,480
We should try to come a little closer on the budget.

1160
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:31,320
But we should, I mean, we should weigh heavily on considering,

1161
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,679
you know, it is a town asset.

1162
00:54:33,679 --> 00:54:36,360
You don't want people to start stowing trash

1163
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,010
into that nature on the property.

1164
00:54:39,010 --> 00:54:39,050
Right.

1165
00:54:39,050 --> 00:54:40,409
Right.

1166
00:54:40,409 --> 00:54:43,150
So the principal duties of operation

1167
00:54:43,150 --> 00:54:45,769
consist of monitoring the operation and process

1168
00:54:45,769 --> 00:54:48,500
of the recycling center in Stanford.

1169
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:52,360
Check for proper stickers on all vehicles entering.

1170
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,800
Well, we don't have stickers anymore.

1171
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,559
So we can take that out.

1172
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:00,860
Check incoming trash for proper separation and disposal

1173
00:55:00,860 --> 00:55:03,400
of a variety of materials.

1174
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,519
They don't really check that anymore.

1175
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:09,000
Some of this seems like it was written in the 80s.

1176
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,719
Oh, I think it was, Kirk.

1177
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,719
Is there still a gas pump at the firehouse?

1178
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,980
I think a lot of it is more like a direction.

1179
00:55:17,980 --> 00:55:19,380
They're like, what do I do with this?

1180
00:55:19,380 --> 00:55:21,380
And they're like, oh, put it in this bin.

1181
00:55:21,380 --> 00:55:22,679
Yeah.

1182
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:23,380
Guidance.

1183
00:55:23,380 --> 00:55:27,179
Guidance.

1184
00:55:27,179 --> 00:55:28,239
Guidance.

1185
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:28,880
Provide guidance.

1186
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,739
Just, yes, provide guidance.

1187
00:55:33,739 --> 00:55:36,940
Collect, provide guidance for incoming trash

1188
00:55:36,940 --> 00:55:42,139
for proper separation and disposal of a variety of materials.

1189
00:55:42,139 --> 00:55:42,539
Yeah.

1190
00:55:42,539 --> 00:55:44,239
I like that.

1191
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:45,199
Collect coupons.

1192
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:48,300
Collect coupons or appropriate fees for appliances, tires,

1193
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:51,300
waste oil, and related items.

1194
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:54,719
What were the coupons?

1195
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:55,920
All the little stickers that you have.

1196
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,119
Collect, so just collect fees.

1197
00:55:58,119 --> 00:55:58,960
Collect appropriate fees.

1198
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,139
Yeah.

1199
00:56:03,139 --> 00:56:08,840
For appliances, tires, waste oil, and related, or?

1200
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,880
Yeah, I don't think, do we take waste oil anymore?

1201
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,789
We'll have to check that and see what.

1202
00:56:13,789 --> 00:56:14,489
I can kind of.

1203
00:56:14,489 --> 00:56:18,119
For all demo materials excepted.

1204
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:18,719
For what?

1205
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,820
For all demo materials excepted.

1206
00:56:20,820 --> 00:56:23,219
Yeah, except for the demo material.

1207
00:56:23,219 --> 00:56:25,159
Yes.

1208
00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:26,699
Then we don't have to .

1209
00:56:26,699 --> 00:56:29,360
Right, because that changes yearly.

1210
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:34,030
Secure coupons for fees in the town garage.

1211
00:56:34,030 --> 00:56:35,230
What's that again?

1212
00:56:35,230 --> 00:56:38,110
Secure coupons for fees in the town garage.

1213
00:56:38,110 --> 00:56:41,170
I don't know where they keep the money and all that.

1214
00:56:41,170 --> 00:56:46,909
Secure and whatever.

1215
00:56:46,909 --> 00:56:52,940
If someone brings an appliance, they have to pay extra,

1216
00:56:52,940 --> 00:56:55,300
how do we know that the transition was made?

1217
00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:58,090
Is there paperwork?

1218
00:56:58,090 --> 00:56:59,750
Yes.

1219
00:56:59,750 --> 00:57:02,750
I don't use it, so I don't.

1220
00:57:02,750 --> 00:57:05,250
They get the original and Lori gets the copy.

1221
00:57:05,250 --> 00:57:05,849
Okay.

1222
00:57:05,849 --> 00:57:06,849
And the numbered receipt.

1223
00:57:06,849 --> 00:57:08,550
Who gets the original?

1224
00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:11,050
The person that brings the appliance in.

1225
00:57:11,050 --> 00:57:11,349
Okay.

1226
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:14,590
If you paid $35, you get a receipt for the 35.

1227
00:57:14,590 --> 00:57:15,190
Okay.

1228
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:17,730
Lori gets a copy of it.

1229
00:57:17,730 --> 00:57:20,829
So her money and receipts should all be the same

1230
00:57:20,829 --> 00:57:26,670
and they usually put the card number on there.

1231
00:57:26,670 --> 00:57:26,969
Okay.

1232
00:57:26,969 --> 00:57:30,829
Maintain records of town people not complying

1233
00:57:30,829 --> 00:57:34,530
with recycling regulations and report the same

1234
00:57:34,530 --> 00:57:36,030
to the selectmen.

1235
00:57:36,030 --> 00:57:40,340
Well, they're pretty good at telling people

1236
00:57:40,340 --> 00:57:45,219
that your punch card is expired.

1237
00:57:45,219 --> 00:57:48,820
You need to go down and get another card.

1238
00:57:48,820 --> 00:57:53,719
And I've never had any problem with people not complying

1239
00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:56,210
with that, have you?

1240
00:57:56,210 --> 00:57:58,809
You seem pretty good.

1241
00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:03,840
Keep recycling yard neat and orderly.

1242
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,239
Responsible to the selection for supervision and guidance.

1243
00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:12,710
And I thought we said that was for Dave?

1244
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:14,670
Well, we asked that.

1245
00:58:14,670 --> 00:58:18,070
Does it say that the highway department supervisor is

1246
00:58:18,070 --> 00:58:19,969
in charge of the recycling?

1247
00:58:19,969 --> 00:58:20,969
Somewhere it said that.

1248
00:58:20,969 --> 00:58:25,269
We have to make that known so he's the final site up there.

1249
00:58:25,269 --> 00:58:25,769
Yeah.

1250
00:58:25,769 --> 00:58:27,570
I think he's already assuming that position as is.

1251
00:58:27,570 --> 00:58:30,269
I think, but I'm just saying, if it's not writing,

1252
00:58:30,269 --> 00:58:34,989
it should be, but we have, you know, there's guidelines

1253
00:58:34,989 --> 00:58:38,590
for those guys, the recycling people have guidelines

1254
00:58:38,590 --> 00:58:40,690
to be doing certain things.

1255
00:58:40,690 --> 00:58:43,789
If they're going above and beyond and doing other things,

1256
00:58:43,789 --> 00:58:46,989
that's, you know, up to the supervisor to say, hey,

1257
00:58:46,989 --> 00:58:50,690
you don't have to do this, you don't have to do that.

1258
00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:51,289
You don't.

1259
00:58:51,289 --> 00:58:53,690
I want to say somewhere in this paperwork it's actually

1260
00:58:53,690 --> 00:58:56,989
conflicting, but I don't find markup sheets at all.

1261
00:58:56,989 --> 00:58:57,989
Yeah, that's cool.

1262
00:58:57,989 --> 00:59:00,489
One says, like, reports to the selector

1263
00:59:00,489 --> 00:59:02,590
and the other one says commissioner.

1264
00:59:02,590 --> 00:59:03,489
I'm not sure.

1265
00:59:03,489 --> 00:59:04,389
Let me just get it.

1266
00:59:04,989 --> 00:59:08,590
Yeah, there's just some refurbished.

1267
00:59:08,590 --> 00:59:17,119
I think there's a lot of job description and that conflict here.

1268
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,519
Do these as requested?

1269
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:22,739
As requested.

1270
00:59:22,739 --> 00:59:23,840
As needed?

1271
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:24,840
Yes.

1272
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:40,599
What I'd like to do is do a quick draft of this,

1273
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:44,880
give it to Dave, have him look it over, and then get it back

1274
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,380
to you guys for the next meeting.

1275
00:59:47,380 --> 00:59:48,809
Sure.

1276
00:59:48,809 --> 00:59:51,800
All right.

1277
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,000
Road commissioner, I'm going to wait on that one.

1278
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,599
This road commissioner one I'm looking at was adopted in 2008.

1279
00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:02,000
Yep.

1280
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,099
They might have adopted it from the 1978 version.

1281
01:00:05,099 --> 01:00:06,300
Well, that's what I'm saying.

1282
01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:07,599
And then you can't look at this one.

1283
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:09,000
Yep.

1284
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,699
You see it was taped on tape reader.

1285
01:00:10,699 --> 01:00:11,500
Yeah.

1286
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:12,000
Yeah.

1287
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:12,900
Is this gas pump?

1288
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:14,300
I don't remember a gas pump up there.

1289
01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:14,800
I don't know.

1290
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,090
I think 2000.

1291
01:00:16,090 --> 01:00:16,590
2000.

1292
01:00:17,090 --> 01:00:19,590
He probably supersedes this one.

1293
01:00:19,590 --> 01:00:23,119
First laborer.

1294
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:29,610
I mean, this laborer is Michael, the assistant.

1295
01:00:29,610 --> 01:00:30,909
Oh, I like this one.

1296
01:00:30,909 --> 01:00:36,070
Work hours, 730 to 4 for the laborer.

1297
01:00:36,070 --> 01:00:41,710
But the supervisor comes in at a different hour.

1298
01:00:41,710 --> 01:00:42,210
Yeah.

1299
01:00:42,210 --> 01:00:42,710
Wait a minute.

1300
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:44,309
That's something that's mixed up there.

1301
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:46,110
So we've got to be consistent on these.

1302
01:00:46,110 --> 01:00:47,510
This is Mike's title?

1303
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:48,309
Laborer?

1304
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:50,630
Yes.

1305
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:51,630
I didn't know you should be here.

1306
01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:52,630
We can call him assistant.

1307
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:53,130
Supervisor.

1308
01:00:53,130 --> 01:00:53,630
Supervisor.

1309
01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:54,130
Yeah.

1310
01:00:54,130 --> 01:00:55,130
Whatever you want to call him.

1311
01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:56,610
Yeah.

1312
01:00:56,610 --> 01:00:59,610
Like I always say, I'm giving you a promotion instead of a raise.

1313
01:00:59,610 --> 01:01:01,599
Right.

1314
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:02,099
Oh, yeah.

1315
01:01:02,099 --> 01:01:09,599
Because the job description that we advertised for the highway laborer worked 6 to 230.

1316
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:15,099
But then on another job description, he worked from 730 to 4.

1317
01:01:15,099 --> 01:01:17,599
It just seems like everything we're asking them to have doesn't seem right.

1318
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:19,699
Then just call it a laborer.

1319
01:01:19,699 --> 01:01:20,500
Call it what?

1320
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:22,199
Just call it a laborer.

1321
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:23,199
It's more than a shovel.

1322
01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:23,699
Yeah.

1323
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:25,699
Road commissioner assistant.

1324
01:01:25,699 --> 01:01:26,199
Yeah.

1325
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:28,889
I suppose it doesn't work.

1326
01:01:28,889 --> 01:01:31,389
So if we look those over, try to mark them up.

1327
01:01:31,389 --> 01:01:36,889
I'll try to talk to Dave before the next meeting and get his input.

1328
01:01:36,889 --> 01:01:43,389
And then once we get these, we should work on the employee handbook because that is outdated, too.

1329
01:01:43,389 --> 01:01:53,659
That's 2018.

1330
01:01:53,659 --> 01:01:57,159
I don't know if we changed much in there in 2018.

1331
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:06,230
Correspondence.

1332
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:09,730
Review letter from Vermont PBR regarding the 2020-21.

1333
01:02:09,730 --> 01:02:12,730
The 2024 reappraisal result.

1334
01:02:12,730 --> 01:02:28,969
So we just, just got, Lori just got a letter from PBR saying that one of the two test prongs did not pass.

1335
01:02:28,969 --> 01:02:31,260
And they wanted to know why.

1336
01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:42,019
So we sent the letter on to our assessor who's back and forth with the state property valuation report.

1337
01:02:43,019 --> 01:02:48,019
So we need to find out if that's sufficient for their answer.

1338
01:02:48,019 --> 01:02:54,949
And we'll have Lori write a letter if that's okay because we've got all the emails back and forth.

1339
01:02:54,949 --> 01:03:01,269
Anything else on that, Lori?

1340
01:03:01,269 --> 01:03:03,590
Not on that.

1341
01:03:03,590 --> 01:03:05,750
I do have different correspondence.

1342
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:06,750
Okay.

1343
01:03:06,750 --> 01:03:07,750
Yep, go ahead.

1344
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:17,880
FEMA had sent me the final paperwork for reimbursement for, we're still working on the 2023 flood.

1345
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,880
We had three flooding damage.

1346
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,880
We had three projects.

1347
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,880
We've been paid for two out of the three.

1348
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:32,880
And then they decided to increase the return from the 75% we were getting up to 90% funding.

1349
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:38,880
So she did paperwork to bump us up the additional 15%.

1350
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:46,880
I got back to her and said no because we're still waiting on paperwork from that third one, the first 75%.

1351
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,880
Oh, missed that.

1352
01:03:48,880 --> 01:04:01,420
So now I have a reimbursement request for the initial 75% on one and then the 15% additional bump up for all three jobs together.

1353
01:04:01,420 --> 01:04:06,420
So if you'd like to approve and sign that, maybe we'll get .

1354
01:04:06,420 --> 01:04:08,420
And this is for 2023?

1355
01:04:08,420 --> 01:04:11,420
2023 flooding.

1356
01:04:11,420 --> 01:04:12,420
Yes.

1357
01:04:12,420 --> 01:04:13,420
Motion to approve.

1358
01:04:13,420 --> 01:04:14,420
Yep.

1359
01:04:14,420 --> 01:04:15,650
Second.

1360
01:04:15,650 --> 01:04:16,650
I don't know how you keep track of it, Lori.

1361
01:04:16,650 --> 01:04:17,650
Thank you.

1362
01:04:17,650 --> 01:04:24,679
Just while she's signing that, did the Klondike Bridge ever get finalized yet?

1363
01:04:24,679 --> 01:04:25,679
No.

1364
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:27,679
So talk about 2023.

1365
01:04:27,679 --> 01:04:29,679
Let's talk about what year was that?

1366
01:04:29,679 --> 01:04:30,679
I don't know what.

1367
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:31,679
Oh, my gosh.

1368
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:32,679
One.

1369
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:33,679
One?

1370
01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:34,679
I don't know.

1371
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:35,679
I'm telling you, though.

1372
01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:36,679
So that still trickles in.

1373
01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:37,679
That's how .

1374
01:04:37,679 --> 01:04:39,679
We haven't done anything on that for years.

1375
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:40,679
Yeah.

1376
01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:41,679
Don't say that because .

1377
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:45,679
No, but I just don't understand why they don't close the case.

1378
01:04:45,679 --> 01:04:46,679
You know.

1379
01:04:46,679 --> 01:04:47,679
I don't know.

1380
01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:50,440
I don't know.

1381
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,329
Maybe somebody left paperwork got dropped.

1382
01:04:53,329 --> 01:04:54,329
Who knows what happened.

1383
01:04:54,329 --> 01:04:55,329
Old business.

1384
01:04:55,329 --> 01:04:56,329
Or any other correspondence, Lori?

1385
01:04:56,329 --> 01:04:57,329
No.

1386
01:04:57,329 --> 01:04:58,329
Done.

1387
01:04:58,329 --> 01:05:00,639
Old business.

1388
01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:01,639
New business.

1389
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:02,639
I got a, Lori got an email from Martina Barnes from National Forest.

1390
01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:03,639
She would like to come down to give us an update on the projects in Stanford.

1391
01:05:03,639 --> 01:05:04,639
And she's going to wait until, I don't know, the next week or so.

1392
01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:06,469
I don't know.

1393
01:05:06,469 --> 01:05:07,469
I don't know.

1394
01:05:07,469 --> 01:05:09,849
I don't know.

1395
01:05:09,849 --> 01:05:10,849
I don't know.

1396
01:05:10,849 --> 01:05:11,849
I don't know.

1397
01:05:11,849 --> 01:05:12,849
I don't know.

1398
01:05:12,849 --> 01:05:13,849
I don't know.

1399
01:05:13,849 --> 01:05:14,849
I don't know.

1400
01:05:14,849 --> 01:05:15,849
I don't know.

1401
01:05:15,849 --> 01:05:16,849
I don't know.

1402
01:05:16,849 --> 01:05:17,849
I don't know.

1403
01:05:17,849 --> 01:05:18,849
I don't know.

1404
01:05:18,849 --> 01:05:19,849
I don't know.

1405
01:05:19,849 --> 01:05:20,849
I don't know.

1406
01:05:20,849 --> 01:05:21,849
I don't know.

1407
01:05:21,849 --> 01:05:22,849
She's going to wait until spring?

1408
01:05:22,849 --> 01:05:23,980
A couple of months?

1409
01:05:23,980 --> 01:05:24,980
Yeah.

1410
01:05:24,980 --> 01:05:25,980
Yeah.

1411
01:05:25,980 --> 01:05:27,519
Just let us know.

1412
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:28,519
I'm thinking May.

1413
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:30,190
Okay.

1414
01:05:30,190 --> 01:05:31,190
Anything else?

1415
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:32,190
Beth, can I sneak in a visitor hearing because I'm late?

1416
01:05:32,190 --> 01:05:33,539
I'm in business.

1417
01:05:33,539 --> 01:05:34,539
I wasn't planning on saying anything.

1418
01:05:34,539 --> 01:05:35,610
I said we'll let Dave.

1419
01:05:35,610 --> 01:05:36,610
We'll let you.

1420
01:05:36,610 --> 01:05:37,610
Thank you.

1421
01:05:37,610 --> 01:05:38,610
I wasn't planning on saying anything.

1422
01:05:38,610 --> 01:05:39,610
Thank you.

1423
01:05:39,610 --> 01:05:50,610
But at our last school board meeting, the principal brought up the concern about the

1424
01:05:50,610 --> 01:05:51,610
amendment to the law.

1425
01:05:51,610 --> 01:05:52,610
The teacher didn't let us know.

1426
01:05:52,610 --> 01:05:55,610
They had a fire call last week, I think,

1427
01:05:55,610 --> 01:05:57,170
or the other Monday or whatever.

1428
01:05:57,170 --> 01:06:00,269
And they had a van evacuate over to the church.

1429
01:06:00,269 --> 01:06:04,250
And she said the sidewalks weren't plowed or shoveled.

1430
01:06:04,250 --> 01:06:07,210
And the kids didn't have time to go change into boots

1431
01:06:07,210 --> 01:06:08,170
when there was a fire call.

1432
01:06:08,170 --> 01:06:10,369
You had to get out of the building.

1433
01:06:10,369 --> 01:06:11,369
And they had their coats.

1434
01:06:11,369 --> 01:06:14,630
But where they had to cross the road was,

1435
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:16,389
I think, I'm not, geography's off,

1436
01:06:16,389 --> 01:06:19,090
but the fire department trucks come down one way

1437
01:06:19,090 --> 01:06:20,989
and they have to cross on this side.

1438
01:06:20,989 --> 01:06:21,829
Down there, yes.

1439
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:24,769
So there was a concern about maybe moving the crosswalks

1440
01:06:24,769 --> 01:06:28,309
so they had to go this way and avoid any kind of the trucks

1441
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:30,889
getting in the way of the kids.

1442
01:06:30,889 --> 01:06:33,530
The kids crossing was interfering with the trucks

1443
01:06:33,530 --> 01:06:34,590
and vice versa.

1444
01:06:34,590 --> 01:06:36,469
So they need to go around this way

1445
01:06:36,469 --> 01:06:39,010
so when the trucks approach the school,

1446
01:06:39,010 --> 01:06:41,389
they're not in that path.

1447
01:06:41,389 --> 01:06:45,670
So I know the superintendent intended to call somebody here.

1448
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:47,590
And I just wanted to put it on the public record

1449
01:06:47,590 --> 01:06:49,769
that I wasn't concerned.

1450
01:06:49,769 --> 01:06:51,269
Isn't that the emergency management?

1451
01:06:51,269 --> 01:06:51,769
It doesn't.

1452
01:06:51,769 --> 01:06:55,610
The state set the crosswalks where they're supposed to be.

1453
01:06:55,610 --> 01:06:59,389
So who can take care of that sidewalk, state or us?

1454
01:06:59,389 --> 01:06:59,889
We do.

1455
01:06:59,889 --> 01:07:00,449
We do.

1456
01:07:00,449 --> 01:07:05,170
But it's not top priority because the roads, unfortunately.

1457
01:07:05,170 --> 01:07:08,949
So we take care of it because it's ours or is it the state's?

1458
01:07:08,949 --> 01:07:09,449
Ours.

1459
01:07:09,449 --> 01:07:10,530
It's ours.

1460
01:07:10,530 --> 01:07:11,030
Sidewalk.

1461
01:07:11,030 --> 01:07:13,710
So we're going to know that.

1462
01:07:13,710 --> 01:07:16,610
Could that be part of the emergency management board?

1463
01:07:16,610 --> 01:07:19,949
Well, isn't that something that they could look into?

1464
01:07:19,949 --> 01:07:21,710
I mean, being a little bit more proactive,

1465
01:07:21,710 --> 01:07:23,510
I'm not saying they're not being proactive,

1466
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:25,030
so don't get that twisted.

1467
01:07:25,030 --> 01:07:26,829
I just want to say maybe it's something

1468
01:07:26,829 --> 01:07:30,210
that the school could work hand-in-hand with to make sure.

1469
01:07:30,210 --> 01:07:33,030
The first thing I thought of was, I'm

1470
01:07:33,030 --> 01:07:34,469
not sure I haven't looked at it.

1471
01:07:34,469 --> 01:07:40,550
If there's a crosswalk here, from the crosswalk to the sidewalk,

1472
01:07:40,550 --> 01:07:41,730
what's the transition there?

1473
01:07:41,730 --> 01:07:44,630
Is it a ramp or a step-up?

1474
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:46,510
It's like a little ramp piece of sidewalk.

1475
01:07:46,510 --> 01:07:49,090
And if you go over here and you run into the sidewalk

1476
01:07:49,090 --> 01:07:50,829
and you have one handicapped kid.

1477
01:07:51,710 --> 01:07:53,630
You're not in compliance.

1478
01:07:53,630 --> 01:07:55,710
So now you've got to do something more.

1479
01:07:55,710 --> 01:07:59,570
There used to be crosswalks on both sides of the school.

1480
01:07:59,570 --> 01:08:02,469
The way the world is, that's what they'll say.

1481
01:08:02,469 --> 01:08:06,030
They'll say, look, you have to have transition

1482
01:08:06,030 --> 01:08:07,630
to get on that sidewalk.

1483
01:08:07,630 --> 01:08:10,909
Personally, I don't know why the sidewalk was put in.

1484
01:08:10,909 --> 01:08:12,010
It was before my time.

1485
01:08:12,010 --> 01:08:14,030
But it just seems like it goes from one point.

1486
01:08:14,030 --> 01:08:16,090
Listen, it doesn't make sense to me.

1487
01:08:16,090 --> 01:08:17,750
You're going to have a sidewalk, but you can go all the way down

1488
01:08:17,750 --> 01:08:18,250
the building.

1489
01:08:18,250 --> 01:08:20,829
It was planned to go up longer, but it wouldn't have money.

1490
01:08:20,829 --> 01:08:21,329
OK.

1491
01:08:21,710 --> 01:08:24,449
Nevertheless, there's a lot of questions

1492
01:08:24,449 --> 01:08:26,310
I would ask the school board.

1493
01:08:26,310 --> 01:08:29,810
Why are we taking the kids across the street to the church

1494
01:08:29,810 --> 01:08:32,729
where the church didn't exist, where we became them then?

1495
01:08:32,729 --> 01:08:35,670
So I mean, it's a fire drill.

1496
01:08:35,670 --> 01:08:37,270
We bring them outside.

1497
01:08:37,270 --> 01:08:39,409
Do we bring them over to school or the church?

1498
01:08:39,409 --> 01:08:41,250
It's nice that we have it.

1499
01:08:41,250 --> 01:08:44,750
But we have to find out if the church is in compliance also.

1500
01:08:44,750 --> 01:08:48,210
Well, I don't know fire codes or what the divinities have to do.

1501
01:08:48,210 --> 01:08:50,869
But I don't know if this ellipse out here on the other side

1502
01:08:50,869 --> 01:08:52,789
of this little driveway, if that's

1503
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:55,729
far enough away to interfere with the fire trucks for kids

1504
01:08:55,729 --> 01:08:57,090
to be gathering there.

1505
01:08:57,090 --> 01:08:58,970
So I don't know that kind of code.

1506
01:08:58,970 --> 01:09:01,909
Should they have like a muster point and everything?

1507
01:09:01,909 --> 01:09:02,609
That's just it.

1508
01:09:02,609 --> 01:09:04,369
I think that's the church parking lot.

1509
01:09:04,369 --> 01:09:05,689
This brings me to a point.

1510
01:09:05,689 --> 01:09:06,890
It's nice that it's there.

1511
01:09:06,890 --> 01:09:08,090
But what if it wasn't?

1512
01:09:08,090 --> 01:09:12,590
We're going on someone else's property.

1513
01:09:12,590 --> 01:09:13,970
Do they go all the way over there?

1514
01:09:13,970 --> 01:09:15,470
Do they do like monthly fire drills?

1515
01:09:15,470 --> 01:09:16,350
Yeah.

1516
01:09:16,350 --> 01:09:18,050
I don't think they go over there monthly.

1517
01:09:18,050 --> 01:09:20,710
But they did go over there for that fire alarm.

1518
01:09:20,710 --> 01:09:25,090
And they were very organized, very quiet.

1519
01:09:25,090 --> 01:09:26,390
They were walking very good.

1520
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:27,789
They had the sign.

1521
01:09:27,789 --> 01:09:30,470
But I did notice the truck coming down Stebbins.

1522
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:33,489
And I go, that's not good because the kids were in the way.

1523
01:09:33,489 --> 01:09:38,689
I would assume they don't want the kids crossing a path of truck.

1524
01:09:38,689 --> 01:09:41,649
But I would think that they want them,

1525
01:09:41,649 --> 01:09:44,170
they originally put them there so that they're not

1526
01:09:44,170 --> 01:09:47,029
crossing a lane of traffic to get out there.

1527
01:09:47,029 --> 01:09:49,270
So for example, if they come out the door

1528
01:09:49,270 --> 01:09:50,710
and they've got to come across.

1529
01:09:50,710 --> 01:09:53,569
The parking lot to get to a sidewalk.

1530
01:09:53,569 --> 01:09:56,250
Either way, you're crossing where something's coming in.

1531
01:09:56,250 --> 01:09:57,710
Where this, when they leave the building,

1532
01:09:57,710 --> 01:09:59,029
they're along the edge.

1533
01:09:59,029 --> 01:10:01,289
And they're not necessarily in the path of traffic.

1534
01:10:01,289 --> 01:10:03,670
I would assume that's why they initially did that.

1535
01:10:03,670 --> 01:10:07,029
I believe the crosswalk is the state.

1536
01:10:07,029 --> 01:10:07,529
Yeah.

1537
01:10:07,529 --> 01:10:08,329
And they have it.

1538
01:10:08,329 --> 01:10:11,289
They don't have to do a curve cut, the whole shenanigans.

1539
01:10:11,289 --> 01:10:11,789
Sure.

1540
01:10:11,789 --> 01:10:14,069
I don't think they put it there.

1541
01:10:14,069 --> 01:10:16,989
So I think that the superintendent would need to do it.

1542
01:10:16,989 --> 01:10:18,829
He said he was going to contact.

1543
01:10:18,829 --> 01:10:20,090
But I wanted to bring this concern.

1544
01:10:20,090 --> 01:10:22,529
Probably, he would need to contact the state

1545
01:10:22,529 --> 01:10:24,529
to get a crosswalk for them.

1546
01:10:24,529 --> 01:10:26,529
I don't know who's going to call.

1547
01:10:26,529 --> 01:10:28,670
But he said he was .

1548
01:10:28,670 --> 01:10:32,970
As far as the plowing, Dave does do that

1549
01:10:32,970 --> 01:10:35,369
when everything else is plowed and taken care of.

1550
01:10:35,369 --> 01:10:35,869
Sidewalk.

1551
01:10:35,869 --> 01:10:37,109
Yeah, the sidewalk.

1552
01:10:37,109 --> 01:10:41,539
He does go down there.

1553
01:10:41,539 --> 01:10:44,479
Do you think the state did it with their backhoe,

1554
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:45,460
their bucket loader?

1555
01:10:45,460 --> 01:10:47,140
There's no doubt they did it.

1556
01:10:47,140 --> 01:10:49,180
They pushed the entire road back.

1557
01:10:49,180 --> 01:10:51,739
I think that they did that area.

1558
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,460
I'm assuming they did that specific area

1559
01:10:54,460 --> 01:10:57,119
for the consolidated communications

1560
01:10:57,119 --> 01:10:59,479
more than the sidewalk thing.

1561
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,319
But how about on that side of the road?

1562
01:11:02,319 --> 01:11:04,479
They just started at the sidewalk and went that way.

1563
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:05,279
Went right up through.

1564
01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:06,579
Yeah, went right up.

1565
01:11:06,579 --> 01:11:08,800
It didn't even matter.

1566
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,020
Once they got past the sidewalk, it didn't even matter

1567
01:11:11,020 --> 01:11:11,859
if there was sidewalk.

1568
01:11:11,859 --> 01:11:13,020
They just kept going.

1569
01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:15,979
Or they kind of just didn't go on that side in people's yards.

1570
01:11:15,979 --> 01:11:17,600
They went right up and everything.

1571
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,380
Which I'm not mad.

1572
01:11:19,380 --> 01:11:19,880
You know?

1573
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:20,680
No, no, no.

1574
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:21,680
You have a concern.

1575
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:22,180
That's good.

1576
01:11:22,180 --> 01:11:22,680
I get it.

1577
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,859
Just, you know.

1578
01:11:24,859 --> 01:11:25,739
Yeah.

1579
01:11:25,739 --> 01:11:29,600
I had a 20-foot pile I had knocked down from the state.

1580
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,180
The original sidewalk grant, actually, Nancy and I both

1581
01:11:33,180 --> 01:11:35,579
had a lot to do with it back in 2004.

1582
01:11:35,579 --> 01:11:39,520
It was supposed to go from the bridge to Jepson Road.

1583
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:45,140
The idea was that we were going to have a walk starting Mill

1584
01:11:45,140 --> 01:11:48,359
Road to Jepson, and then we were looking for somebody

1585
01:11:48,359 --> 01:11:51,600
who owned the in between, like the person in front of me,

1586
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,779
to donate so that the town could have a nice walk.

1587
01:11:54,779 --> 01:11:56,140
That was a start.

1588
01:11:56,140 --> 01:11:57,479
So that's what happened.

1589
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,560
People fought about it.

1590
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:00,680
It cost the town.

1591
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,520
I had left the select minister position.

1592
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,260
It cost another $80,000.

1593
01:12:04,260 --> 01:12:06,939
They cut it in half to $250,000.

1594
01:12:06,939 --> 01:12:08,399
And that's what you have.

1595
01:12:08,399 --> 01:12:10,180
Thank God you had that much for the kids,

1596
01:12:10,180 --> 01:12:12,239
because there really was nothing.

1597
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:14,979
To Kurt's point, there is sidewalks on both sides.

1598
01:12:14,979 --> 01:12:17,640
You can go over there, you'll hit the sidewalk.

1599
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,359
On the opposite side of the road, there was a sidewalk.

1600
01:12:20,359 --> 01:12:21,439
Where the sidewalk was?

1601
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:22,319
Off Summit.

1602
01:12:22,319 --> 01:12:26,939
So this town, 50 years old, heads all the way to Billinets.

1603
01:12:26,939 --> 01:12:28,819
You look at that historical picture close to me.

1604
01:12:28,819 --> 01:12:31,239
It makes sense.

1605
01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:33,760
There is a sidewalk in front of my front yard.

1606
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,659
It's kind of overtaken.

1607
01:12:35,659 --> 01:12:41,319
If I don't remember, I kind of went to the state

1608
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:43,380
to request them to clean it up, because it's

1609
01:12:43,380 --> 01:12:44,760
kind of a trip hazard.

1610
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,960
I mean, if you really, you know, I mean, it's just,

1611
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,720
some of it sticks out, and I jam-hammered it out.

1612
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:51,220
Totally.

1613
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:52,939
Well, Sheila, you've got a piece of sidewalk.

1614
01:12:52,939 --> 01:12:54,220
We should dig that thing up.

1615
01:12:54,220 --> 01:12:54,720
Right.

1616
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,060
We'll do the pine trees.

1617
01:12:56,060 --> 01:12:56,680
Oh, those there.

1618
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:57,779
All the way to the tree.

1619
01:12:57,779 --> 01:12:58,279
The farm.

1620
01:12:58,279 --> 01:12:59,680
And on this side.

1621
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:04,359
It's too bad that the state wouldn't say to almost pretty

1622
01:13:04,359 --> 01:13:07,659
up the Route 100 to put a sidewalk in there,

1623
01:13:07,659 --> 01:13:09,199
a nice sidewalk.

1624
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:12,239
Any traffic study will tell you to install a sidewalk,

1625
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:16,060
because the theory is that it narrows the road and slows down

1626
01:13:16,060 --> 01:13:16,560
traffic.

1627
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:17,060
Yeah.

1628
01:13:17,060 --> 01:13:18,640
We might be able to do that in Lakewood.

1629
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,560
It's a scenic highway, and they can.

1630
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,979
A whole other set of rules, and that's

1631
01:13:23,979 --> 01:13:26,880
why it's probably going to have been done to this point.

1632
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,979
Take a look at the scenic highway laws.

1633
01:13:29,979 --> 01:13:31,979
This was the first one in Vermont,

1634
01:13:31,979 --> 01:13:33,819
from Massachusetts to Canada.

1635
01:13:33,819 --> 01:13:35,279
Is there any other new business here?

1636
01:13:35,279 --> 01:13:41,729
Because I'd like to go into executive session.

1637
01:13:41,729 --> 01:13:44,329
Motion to go into executive session

1638
01:13:44,329 --> 01:13:47,770
for pending the problem of civil litigation,

1639
01:13:47,770 --> 01:13:50,229
and the other is for personnel.

1640
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:51,829
I'm talking about .

1641
01:13:51,829 --> 01:13:52,329
All right.

1642
01:13:52,329 --> 01:13:53,430
All right.

1643
01:13:55,250 --> 01:13:55,810
Thank you.

1644
01:13:55,810 --> 01:13:56,670
Thank you, Jay.

1645
01:13:56,670 --> 01:13:57,270
Thank you all.

1646
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:57,770
715?

1647
01:13:57,770 --> 01:13:58,270
Yep.

1648
01:14:07,569 --> 01:14:09,420
Oh, .

1649
01:14:09,420 --> 01:14:10,439
.

1650
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,479
I'll run it out .

1651
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:12,979
All right.

1652
01:14:12,979 --> 01:14:13,479
Good.

1653
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:17,359
.

1654
01:14:17,359 --> 01:14:18,340
All right.

1655
01:14:18,340 --> 01:14:18,840
Not that.

1656
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:19,340
Oh, OK.

1657
01:14:19,340 --> 01:14:21,439
OK.

1658
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:21,939
Yeah.

1659
01:14:21,939 --> 01:14:23,279
I'll get through this.

1660
01:14:23,279 --> 01:14:23,779
Take care.

1661
01:14:23,779 --> 01:14:24,279
Take care.

1662
01:14:24,279 --> 01:14:24,779
Bye bye.

1663
01:14:25,300 --> 01:14:28,159
I know, I just missed it.

1664
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:29,119
You lost for us.

1665
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:30,319
All right.