1 00:00:00,270 --> 00:00:12,609 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 2 00:00:14,130 --> 00:00:25,949 Welcome to a meeting with the Stanford Select Board. 3 00:00:26,510 --> 00:00:33,490 If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address. 4 00:00:34,170 --> 00:00:38,829 You will notice that all our meetings are recorded. This is created as a summarization of the conference. 5 00:00:38,829 --> 00:00:44,109 Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and 15 minutes for topic. 6 00:00:44,670 --> 00:00:48,409 Discussions will be held in a common, civilized manner and respectful of others. 7 00:00:48,810 --> 00:00:50,570 Select Board members present are... 8 00:00:50,570 --> 00:00:51,090 Mike DeLong. 9 00:00:51,350 --> 00:00:52,229 Nancy Grishica. 10 00:00:52,350 --> 00:00:52,890 Doug Wright. 11 00:00:53,109 --> 00:00:53,729 John Dunn. 12 00:00:53,890 --> 00:00:54,429 Eric Amaro. 13 00:00:54,850 --> 00:00:58,770 Will there be any adding of items or removing items from tonight's agenda? 14 00:01:01,649 --> 00:01:08,810 There may be another executive session for personnel. I'm not sure yet. 15 00:01:10,989 --> 00:01:12,189 Depends if... 16 00:01:12,189 --> 00:01:13,150 Executive.com. 17 00:01:13,769 --> 00:01:13,930 Yeah. 18 00:01:14,090 --> 00:01:16,349 Yes, there will be one. Yes. Yes. 19 00:01:18,269 --> 00:01:19,769 Whether or not... Yes. 20 00:01:20,530 --> 00:01:24,269 Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, such as changing the order of items? 21 00:01:24,810 --> 00:01:31,260 Hearing the visitors. Yeah. 22 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,019 I am... 23 00:01:34,019 --> 00:01:42,140 I feel it would... 24 00:01:42,140 --> 00:01:47,620 It's a position that would be better served by somebody from the Planning Commission now, 25 00:01:47,620 --> 00:01:48,180 and it's my... 26 00:01:48,180 --> 00:01:58,540 It's my understanding that Dan's kind of up in the air, whether he's actually a liaison along with me. 27 00:01:59,099 --> 00:02:08,099 So, I know that Lisa Fairland has always gone to the meetings via Zoom or even in person, 28 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:17,000 and I thought it may be a good idea to get her on board with more of an authoritative position 29 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,000 where she could actually... 30 00:02:18,219 --> 00:02:18,419 Yeah. 31 00:02:18,419 --> 00:02:22,039 ...vote with the Commission on behalf of the town. 32 00:02:22,539 --> 00:02:26,479 So, I didn't know if that's something we could talk about now. 33 00:02:27,719 --> 00:02:30,039 Do you want to stay on or step down? 34 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,180 I would like to be replaced by Lisa. 35 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:34,039 Yes. 36 00:02:34,259 --> 00:02:37,219 That would be fine with me for the liaison. 37 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,800 I don't know if we have to wait until March. 38 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:42,500 March. 39 00:02:43,759 --> 00:02:44,389 Or... 40 00:02:44,389 --> 00:02:48,110 Because, like, tonight I wanted to come to the meeting. 41 00:02:48,310 --> 00:02:48,870 They also have... 42 00:02:48,870 --> 00:02:49,969 They also have a meeting. 43 00:02:50,210 --> 00:02:55,789 So, Lisa ended up going to the meeting tonight, or at least via Zoom. 44 00:02:56,490 --> 00:03:01,969 I could have sat here with my headphones on, too, but, yeah, it's kind of tacky. 45 00:03:02,490 --> 00:03:06,030 So, just a thought, if you could give it some consideration. 46 00:03:06,610 --> 00:03:07,110 I'm sorry. 47 00:03:07,349 --> 00:03:18,689 Whether, you know, if it's something you guys would support, I'd be happy to submit my resignation in favor of Lisa doing that. 48 00:03:18,689 --> 00:03:18,789 Okay. 49 00:03:18,870 --> 00:03:19,969 I think she'd be great at it. 50 00:03:20,009 --> 00:03:21,050 She's helped us, you know. 51 00:03:21,270 --> 00:03:22,330 She's up to speed. 52 00:03:22,610 --> 00:03:28,169 She's really much more so than I am at this point, because I'm not on the planning commission. 53 00:03:28,409 --> 00:03:29,169 I'm just... 54 00:03:29,169 --> 00:03:29,930 Is Ned... 55 00:03:29,930 --> 00:03:31,810 We don't know what the answer is, but I'm checking her now. 56 00:03:31,889 --> 00:03:33,509 Well, it's a vacant position. 57 00:03:33,629 --> 00:03:37,009 I guess he wasn't interested in going anymore or something. 58 00:03:37,009 --> 00:03:39,909 The reason why I'm asking, I'm a little hesitant. 59 00:03:40,150 --> 00:03:40,569 I haven't... 60 00:03:40,569 --> 00:03:44,030 You got down if you wanted to kind of... 61 00:03:44,030 --> 00:03:44,629 Oh, do it. 62 00:03:45,210 --> 00:03:45,949 I didn't... 63 00:03:45,949 --> 00:03:48,090 I'm just saying maybe you could help her out a little bit. 64 00:03:48,389 --> 00:03:48,710 Maybe... 65 00:03:48,710 --> 00:03:51,009 Maybe you don't have to get a position, but he's still... 66 00:03:51,009 --> 00:03:52,889 Well, if you don't think... 67 00:03:52,889 --> 00:03:53,750 That's what I'm saying. 68 00:03:53,909 --> 00:03:55,590 Maybe you would want to stay on. 69 00:03:55,930 --> 00:03:57,090 And have her... 70 00:03:57,090 --> 00:03:57,409 Yeah. 71 00:03:57,409 --> 00:04:00,409 And you take Dan's position until March and then have her just... 72 00:04:01,289 --> 00:04:05,210 Do we have a point now or just wait until March? 73 00:04:05,789 --> 00:04:09,349 Well, it wouldn't be bad to have her in an official capacity right now. 74 00:04:09,449 --> 00:04:09,569 Yeah. 75 00:04:09,729 --> 00:04:10,569 If Dan's not... 76 00:04:10,569 --> 00:04:11,650 There's a lot going on. 77 00:04:11,710 --> 00:04:12,310 There's a lot. 78 00:04:12,310 --> 00:04:14,409 So I'm happy to stay on, but could we... 79 00:04:15,550 --> 00:04:18,750 You guys sent out letters this past March saying, 80 00:04:18,750 --> 00:04:21,110 would you like to be reappointed or not? 81 00:04:21,290 --> 00:04:24,410 And if you didn't hear back from the person, you did not make the appointment. 82 00:04:24,810 --> 00:04:24,930 Right. 83 00:04:25,050 --> 00:04:29,730 So I believe Dan is under the impression that he is it and has been going to the A's. 84 00:04:30,129 --> 00:04:32,269 But he hasn't been officially appointed. 85 00:04:32,610 --> 00:04:34,970 Maybe we should reach out to Dan and just ask him that. 86 00:04:35,050 --> 00:04:41,889 I don't want to step on his toes, but I'm just saying that if it is open and we can appoint Lisa, 87 00:04:42,250 --> 00:04:43,250 we can do that. 88 00:04:43,350 --> 00:04:46,569 If not, then we have to wait until March and then... 89 00:04:46,569 --> 00:04:46,810 Okay. 90 00:04:46,810 --> 00:04:48,730 If you want to step in. 91 00:04:48,769 --> 00:04:51,009 No, I'm just saying it would be nice to have the two of you. 92 00:04:51,029 --> 00:04:52,689 If you want to give your time, you can appoint Lisa. 93 00:04:52,689 --> 00:04:53,750 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 94 00:04:53,990 --> 00:04:56,449 I mean, if you resign right away, I guess we could appoint Lisa. 95 00:04:56,689 --> 00:04:56,850 Yeah. 96 00:04:57,170 --> 00:04:58,829 Well, should we... 97 00:04:58,829 --> 00:04:59,550 I know... 98 00:04:59,550 --> 00:05:00,629 Let's reach out to Dan. 99 00:05:00,769 --> 00:05:01,410 I don't know. 100 00:05:01,810 --> 00:05:02,850 There's a meeting tonight. 101 00:05:02,990 --> 00:05:03,649 When's the next meeting? 102 00:05:04,209 --> 00:05:04,569 Oh. 103 00:05:05,610 --> 00:05:07,730 We have more than two weeks. 104 00:05:08,310 --> 00:05:08,550 Yeah. 105 00:05:08,810 --> 00:05:09,930 Just tell them what's going on. 106 00:05:10,050 --> 00:05:11,689 They may very well say, let her have it. 107 00:05:11,769 --> 00:05:12,509 Yeah, let her have it. 108 00:05:12,550 --> 00:05:13,110 That's what I'm saying. 109 00:05:13,110 --> 00:05:17,129 If there's more than two weeks for that, our next meeting, we can do it. 110 00:05:17,430 --> 00:05:18,610 But she's there to... 111 00:05:18,750 --> 00:05:22,889 She's there tonight because I wanted to be here, so she's kind of a... 112 00:05:22,889 --> 00:05:23,709 But she can't vote? 113 00:05:24,189 --> 00:05:28,529 No, and there really wasn't anything important to be voting on right now. 114 00:05:28,529 --> 00:05:30,430 She can still have her say, though, right? 115 00:05:30,620 --> 00:05:31,220 Mm-hmm. 116 00:05:33,029 --> 00:05:34,970 Yeah, I think we should reach out to Dan. 117 00:05:35,189 --> 00:05:37,410 If he doesn't want it, that's fine. 118 00:05:37,810 --> 00:05:38,810 If not... 119 00:05:38,810 --> 00:05:41,329 That way, you wouldn't have to resign. 120 00:05:41,730 --> 00:05:41,910 Okay. 121 00:05:42,490 --> 00:05:46,689 If Dan says, I don't want it, we can appoint Lisa next meeting. 122 00:05:46,889 --> 00:05:47,050 Okay. 123 00:05:47,689 --> 00:05:49,449 Or you don't resign next meeting. 124 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:52,930 And then we can appoint her in your position as DMICC. 125 00:05:52,930 --> 00:05:54,550 And then the term expires, VCRC. 126 00:05:55,449 --> 00:05:56,790 Well, that's all right. 127 00:05:56,949 --> 00:06:00,629 Then we have to send the letter again, go through the process. 128 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:02,720 There's a lot going on. 129 00:06:02,819 --> 00:06:06,879 I don't know if we should leave it vacant, even if it's just a couple months. 130 00:06:07,810 --> 00:06:09,310 There seems to be a lot going on. 131 00:06:09,310 --> 00:06:10,050 Should we leave it vacant? 132 00:06:10,050 --> 00:06:11,170 Yeah, there's a lot. 133 00:06:11,310 --> 00:06:16,410 I mean, like, Janet Hurley right now has now been appointed to... 134 00:06:16,410 --> 00:06:19,269 Once I heard her have an appointment for a month or two. 135 00:06:19,269 --> 00:06:19,470 Okay. 136 00:06:20,029 --> 00:06:23,170 Her whole regional plan and stuff right now, they're going through... 137 00:06:23,170 --> 00:06:25,310 Yeah, they're going through changes and... 138 00:06:25,310 --> 00:06:26,610 She's going in anyways. 139 00:06:26,750 --> 00:06:29,870 Might as well have someone to represent the town just in case, you know? 140 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:39,550 So when your liaisons go to the regional meeting, do they know what our planning commission wants? 141 00:06:39,790 --> 00:06:45,290 I mean, the planning commission will say, vote this way or vote that way or... 142 00:06:46,509 --> 00:06:47,850 That's just it. 143 00:06:47,850 --> 00:06:49,509 Are they voting their own opinion? 144 00:06:49,990 --> 00:06:50,029 Yeah. 145 00:06:50,029 --> 00:06:50,470 Or are they voting... 146 00:06:50,470 --> 00:06:50,529 Yeah. 147 00:06:50,529 --> 00:06:50,569 Yeah. 148 00:06:50,569 --> 00:06:50,589 Yeah. 149 00:06:50,610 --> 00:06:52,569 They're voting what the board tells them to vote. 150 00:06:52,750 --> 00:06:56,910 She brings back information from those meetings that she goes to. 151 00:06:56,910 --> 00:06:57,089 Yeah. 152 00:06:57,089 --> 00:06:58,910 So she'll go to the VCRs meeting. 153 00:06:59,250 --> 00:07:05,290 She'll come up and she'll give us, you know, sort of a rundown of what they're contemplating 154 00:07:05,290 --> 00:07:10,470 and what they're redoing and what they're changing from sort of what we've always thought. 155 00:07:10,649 --> 00:07:14,529 And then that instigates conversation amongst... 156 00:07:14,529 --> 00:07:16,829 So the next meeting she feels what the board wants. 157 00:07:16,889 --> 00:07:17,050 Yeah. 158 00:07:17,129 --> 00:07:17,250 Right. 159 00:07:17,490 --> 00:07:20,529 You know, anybody can go to those VCRs. 160 00:07:20,529 --> 00:07:24,050 I mean, you don't have to be on the planning committee or select board. 161 00:07:24,050 --> 00:07:29,410 Any citizen has had to go because, you know, like the whole windmill thing is up again now 162 00:07:29,410 --> 00:07:34,050 and they're changing the distance and they're, you know, it's all... 163 00:07:34,050 --> 00:07:38,250 And they're like, well, it's just, it's not mandatory, but we're thinking it should be this. 164 00:07:38,329 --> 00:07:40,970 But, you know, they're voting for it. 165 00:07:41,089 --> 00:07:45,870 And so that is a slippery slope to all of a sudden it's like, no, we're doing it. 166 00:07:46,550 --> 00:07:46,689 Yeah. 167 00:07:46,790 --> 00:07:47,730 And it's really... 168 00:07:47,730 --> 00:07:50,860 She's just so educated. 169 00:07:50,860 --> 00:07:54,660 She's so educated on everything that's been going on region-wide. 170 00:07:55,699 --> 00:08:03,079 I just think it would be much more valuable for the board, for the planning commission, and everybody. 171 00:08:05,430 --> 00:08:05,889 I agree. 172 00:08:08,430 --> 00:08:09,689 So we'll reach out to Dana. 173 00:08:12,699 --> 00:08:14,279 At my next meeting we should know. 174 00:08:15,540 --> 00:08:15,860 Okay. 175 00:08:16,180 --> 00:08:16,660 Thank you. 176 00:08:17,060 --> 00:08:19,810 Any other visitors? 177 00:08:20,910 --> 00:08:21,209 Yes. 178 00:08:21,209 --> 00:08:25,129 I was wondering if the board, after sitting through the evasion hearing, 179 00:08:25,230 --> 00:08:28,209 the board was going to consider putting a warrant out for... 180 00:08:28,250 --> 00:08:36,629 For accepting taxes with a stamp, a date stamp that we don't now, 181 00:08:36,730 --> 00:08:42,929 since nobody can at this point, because I think the app had to be in today. 182 00:08:43,870 --> 00:08:47,169 If I'm not correct, I could be wrong either today or tomorrow, nevertheless. 183 00:08:48,129 --> 00:08:51,649 But you guys have the ability, I guess, to put it on as a warrant. 184 00:08:52,370 --> 00:08:53,190 I was wondering if you were... 185 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:54,210 We haven't discussed it. 186 00:08:54,210 --> 00:08:54,929 Yeah, I'm just... 187 00:08:54,929 --> 00:08:55,909 I was going to bring up... 188 00:08:55,909 --> 00:08:56,529 I'm just going to... 189 00:08:56,529 --> 00:08:56,769 Yeah. 190 00:08:56,769 --> 00:08:58,230 Under new business, I was going to bring... 191 00:08:58,350 --> 00:08:59,149 I was going to bring the same thing up. 192 00:08:59,370 --> 00:08:59,490 Yeah. 193 00:08:59,490 --> 00:09:02,549 But I think it's a valid idea. 194 00:09:02,929 --> 00:09:06,889 There's just a little bit of negativity saying that people couldn't... 195 00:09:06,889 --> 00:09:07,090 Yeah. 196 00:09:07,429 --> 00:09:07,830 This... 197 00:09:07,830 --> 00:09:09,649 I guess we've got to make sure we can do it. 198 00:09:09,830 --> 00:09:11,250 Yeah, I just wanted to bring it up. 199 00:09:11,250 --> 00:09:17,049 Yeah, I don't know how long we have to put the warrant on, but I'm not sure if... 200 00:09:17,610 --> 00:09:22,409 I wasn't really paying attention to that after meeting, meaning that was... 201 00:09:22,409 --> 00:09:29,039 They were kind of like saying that the proof wouldn't be there anyways, because... 202 00:09:29,500 --> 00:09:30,019 You know what I mean? 203 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:33,580 Your postmarketing can still show up two, three weeks later. 204 00:09:33,700 --> 00:09:34,100 Right. 205 00:09:34,100 --> 00:09:34,799 How long does it take? 206 00:09:34,799 --> 00:09:37,919 Yeah, so your postmarketing needs to hold on to the damn thing. 207 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,080 Then Sally doesn't get the list. 208 00:09:42,039 --> 00:09:44,059 Or it's just lost all the time. 209 00:09:44,899 --> 00:09:45,120 Yeah. 210 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,120 And then there's only a week or something, just like it used to be. 211 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:48,919 I don't know. 212 00:09:49,059 --> 00:09:49,799 I'm just... 213 00:09:49,799 --> 00:09:51,519 I want to look into it a little bit more. 214 00:09:51,519 --> 00:09:57,240 Like I said, that was something that I had been considering doing personally myself to put it on as a warrant. 215 00:09:57,539 --> 00:09:59,080 I just ran out of time doing it. 216 00:09:59,659 --> 00:10:05,360 It just seems like everywhere that I've talked to that collects taxes accepts a postmark. 217 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:05,639 Yeah. 218 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,379 I'm just wondering how they... 219 00:10:07,379 --> 00:10:13,840 It'd be interesting to know how they navigate it, I guess, to see what their process is. 220 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,360 I guess I didn't ask that. 221 00:10:15,460 --> 00:10:19,120 I just asked if they actually accept the postmark date. 222 00:10:20,259 --> 00:10:24,389 Can you put it out on your muni net, Lori, or ask the treasurers? 223 00:10:25,070 --> 00:10:27,009 Do they save the envelopes? 224 00:10:27,389 --> 00:10:28,590 How long do they save them? 225 00:10:28,649 --> 00:10:29,490 How long do you wait? 226 00:10:29,690 --> 00:10:35,129 Does it get stuck in the mail person's car? 227 00:10:35,629 --> 00:10:37,389 It could be some fraud here, that's all. 228 00:10:39,710 --> 00:10:40,309 But it's... 229 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,980 What's happening now in the post office is definitely not... 230 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:52,360 It seems like there might be a job opening for me just to say, 231 00:10:52,460 --> 00:10:55,460 hey, anybody who wants their mail, I'll get it while I'm up there. 232 00:10:56,940 --> 00:10:59,200 Give me five bucks or two dollars. 233 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:00,779 How do you still do that? 234 00:11:01,059 --> 00:11:02,440 Didn't we talk about that? 235 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:03,440 If you... 236 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,159 Notify them as well. 237 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:05,639 Oh, okay. 238 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:06,899 Because I pick up... 239 00:11:06,899 --> 00:11:07,299 Well, I don't. 240 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:08,740 My wife picks up all our family. 241 00:11:09,179 --> 00:11:09,440 Everybody. 242 00:11:09,940 --> 00:11:10,200 Wow. 243 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,159 And then if someone, one of our friends, a neighbor or someone wants it, we can get there. 244 00:11:14,279 --> 00:11:15,659 But you gotta notify them. 245 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,379 But Tammy's pretty good about saying, yeah, I agree. 246 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:19,440 Your son's up. 247 00:11:19,580 --> 00:11:19,820 I don't know. 248 00:11:19,820 --> 00:11:20,379 You don't have to know. 249 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,320 But you gotta notify them. 250 00:11:23,139 --> 00:11:24,299 She may lose her job. 251 00:11:24,980 --> 00:11:25,539 Maybe, Mike? 252 00:11:25,700 --> 00:11:26,179 You don't know. 253 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:26,879 Teresa. 254 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:27,519 Oh, Teresa? 255 00:11:27,620 --> 00:11:28,559 I'm sad you're next to that thing. 256 00:11:28,759 --> 00:11:29,419 Oh, yeah, yeah. 257 00:11:29,759 --> 00:11:30,919 Yeah, well, that's all right. 258 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,100 She's not getting paid anymore. 259 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:33,639 It's costing me money right now. 260 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:39,620 Any other visitors or any questions? 261 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:50,000 Reading and approval of records and orders January 2nd in the emergency meeting of December 31st. 262 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,559 May I have a motion? 263 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:53,500 Aye. 264 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:54,799 Was I here on the 2nd? 265 00:11:55,700 --> 00:11:56,100 No. 266 00:11:56,940 --> 00:11:57,500 2nd. 267 00:11:57,820 --> 00:11:58,620 I thought you were here. 268 00:11:59,059 --> 00:12:00,399 Was that two weeks ago? 269 00:12:00,539 --> 00:12:01,019 Two weeks ago. 270 00:12:01,419 --> 00:12:02,679 I was here two weeks ago. 271 00:12:02,799 --> 00:12:03,559 I wasn't here a week. 272 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:04,320 Two weeks ago. 273 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:04,840 Yeah. 274 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,860 I was here last week. 275 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:07,659 No, you didn't. 276 00:12:07,659 --> 00:12:08,500 No, I was here on the budget. 277 00:12:08,620 --> 00:12:09,059 Yeah. 278 00:12:09,179 --> 00:12:09,799 You were here. 279 00:12:10,220 --> 00:12:11,000 Last week I was here. 280 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:11,600 December 31st. 281 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:12,340 Emergency meeting. 282 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:13,399 I can't make you a motion. 283 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:15,000 It was about an ARPA fund. 284 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:15,860 Emergency meeting. 285 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,019 I was here. 286 00:12:17,019 --> 00:12:17,460 You were here. 287 00:12:17,460 --> 00:12:19,240 But I wasn't on the 2nd, so I can't do it. 288 00:12:19,860 --> 00:12:20,700 Emergency meeting. 289 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:21,759 You were here. 290 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,860 We had a budget meeting last week. 291 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,120 You signed. 292 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:27,320 I know. 293 00:12:27,919 --> 00:12:28,759 You weren't here. 294 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:29,279 Well, I. 295 00:12:29,759 --> 00:12:31,860 You just told me to sign all of them on this guy. 296 00:12:32,220 --> 00:12:32,899 It's for raising. 297 00:12:33,179 --> 00:12:33,460 It's for over. 298 00:12:34,460 --> 00:12:36,460 The 2nd you weren't here. 299 00:12:36,460 --> 00:12:38,740 I'll donate my money back when the government Trump does. 300 00:12:38,740 --> 00:12:40,389 The 2nd. 301 00:12:40,409 --> 00:12:41,009 You weren't here. 302 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:41,370 Okay. 303 00:12:41,990 --> 00:12:46,590 You have no line in my heart right now. 304 00:12:48,210 --> 00:12:48,990 It was over. 305 00:12:52,049 --> 00:12:53,830 You'll set motions and seconds. 306 00:12:54,590 --> 00:12:55,350 I don't think anyone. 307 00:12:55,429 --> 00:12:57,190 I made a motion to approve and nobody. 308 00:12:57,330 --> 00:12:58,529 I wasn't here for either one. 309 00:12:58,970 --> 00:12:59,769 I'm going to be the 2nd now. 310 00:13:00,070 --> 00:13:00,850 You were here for. 311 00:13:01,389 --> 00:13:01,629 Oh. 312 00:13:03,250 --> 00:13:03,470 Yeah. 313 00:13:04,490 --> 00:13:04,970 I was. 314 00:13:05,730 --> 00:13:06,090 John. 315 00:13:06,210 --> 00:13:06,610 John. 316 00:13:06,850 --> 00:13:07,629 Doug was here for 2nd. 317 00:13:07,629 --> 00:13:08,289 Doug was here for 2nd. 318 00:13:08,809 --> 00:13:09,090 Okay. 319 00:13:09,409 --> 00:13:10,710 Kurt, you need to sign for 2nd. 320 00:13:11,210 --> 00:13:11,610 Okay. 321 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:19,720 Yeah. 322 00:13:21,730 --> 00:13:22,570 I forgot. 323 00:13:22,570 --> 00:13:22,710 I forgot. 324 00:13:23,470 --> 00:13:23,950 I'll be back. 325 00:13:24,629 --> 00:13:41,710 Road conditions. 326 00:13:43,889 --> 00:13:44,950 Same every day. 327 00:13:44,990 --> 00:13:45,429 Snow. 328 00:13:48,179 --> 00:13:50,360 If it snowed every day for the last 2 months. 329 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:50,639 I don't know. 330 00:13:51,659 --> 00:13:51,779 Rice. 331 00:13:51,860 --> 00:13:52,700 Thanks, Mike. 332 00:13:53,700 --> 00:13:53,919 Yeah. 333 00:13:54,620 --> 00:13:54,779 Yeah. 334 00:13:55,419 --> 00:13:58,740 We're just going to the weather 1 inch at a time here. 335 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:04,019 I guess we got plenty of equipment issues and breakdowns but the rest are going to work. 336 00:14:06,049 --> 00:14:07,470 Nothing extremely major. 337 00:14:08,029 --> 00:14:11,129 I had a cloud come off the truck yesterday morning. 338 00:14:11,289 --> 00:14:17,610 no kidding right in front of my house it was like just came off well the pin the pin that 339 00:14:17,610 --> 00:14:27,279 holds the front on the top of it broke off and come out and blew up the front tire 340 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:29,879 it's just a little bit of drama 341 00:14:29,879 --> 00:14:35,039 i just went down and got the other truck and finished the job 342 00:14:35,039 --> 00:14:40,279 all right come out and give you some coffee you know i you know it was like by the time i realized 343 00:14:40,279 --> 00:14:45,879 that something was really going on he'd already gotten the wrong back but i felt bad i was like 344 00:14:45,879 --> 00:14:51,720 anytime that happens just come in let's come in my house you know come in and make coffee 345 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:57,080 those pre-op instructions are uh yeah it's important you look over the stuff but it's not 346 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:03,159 some holes break you know the vibration and bang and i had a uh like drag sound but i thought i 347 00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:08,440 had a u-joint going bad in my truck i looked the joints are all good and i started looking around 348 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,419 and all of a sudden the once on the 349 00:15:10,419 --> 00:15:18,259 night coolies are falling off and the wheels falling so yeah oh yeah we're taking a walk 350 00:15:18,259 --> 00:15:24,419 around making sure no doubt that's i mean we do a lot of that to do it you know it's typical of the 351 00:15:24,419 --> 00:15:30,419 bolts and the ball frames falling out and speaking things like that happen this is just 352 00:15:36,450 --> 00:15:38,450 yeah 353 00:15:40,450 --> 00:15:44,450 usable at the moment so let's get all back together 354 00:15:44,450 --> 00:15:48,450 and the control box in the other truck 355 00:15:48,450 --> 00:15:52,450 and the ram the electronic control 356 00:15:54,450 --> 00:15:56,450 there's always 357 00:16:00,450 --> 00:16:02,450 the lower we could go 358 00:16:02,450 --> 00:16:06,480 had a sensor in the df tank 359 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,480 for the emissions that went that was saying that the df tank was already in the 360 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,539 ground 361 00:16:12,539 --> 00:16:14,539 just lining up the load 362 00:16:14,860 --> 00:16:16,860 and it's all straight 363 00:16:16,860 --> 00:16:19,600 so your maintenance man 364 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,600 road guy 365 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,600 truck jack vultures 366 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,600 pretty much 367 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,600 operator 368 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,600 on call in the winter 24 7 369 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,600 worth your weight in gold 370 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,600 pretty much every day 371 00:16:36,049 --> 00:16:38,049 i don't know 372 00:16:38,049 --> 00:16:40,179 pretty much the same 373 00:16:40,179 --> 00:16:42,980 every day 374 00:16:42,980 --> 00:16:45,200 yeah 375 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:51,200 yeah i finally got rid of the chipper i thought we inherited it's been there since before 376 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,200 what are your number rent 377 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,200 yeah i threatened to tow it and they finally 378 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,200 come and moved it 379 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,200 right by our gravel pile 380 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,200 it was kind of in the way there 381 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,200 they left a message before thanksgiving 382 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,200 saying i was going to be there two days 383 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,200 and the number 384 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,200 it was lewis tree service 385 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,200 oh 386 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,200 and then they took it today and didn't change it down 387 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,200 yeah 388 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,200 yeah they didn't bring any change 389 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,200 to find it 390 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,200 down 391 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,200 they were feeling bad about leaving it there for a couple months 392 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,200 they should have used it 393 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,200 yeah i saw them 394 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,200 they could have left 395 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,200 but i was afraid they had 396 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,200 gps on it so 397 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,200 you were just keeping 398 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,200 it safe for them 399 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,200 yeah i finally finally called their 400 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,200 corporate office and told them i was calling 401 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,279 but they got somebody there 402 00:17:47,279 --> 00:17:49,279 but the number that the guy had left on the phone 403 00:17:49,279 --> 00:17:51,279 i tried calling many of those times 404 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:53,309 got no response 405 00:17:53,309 --> 00:18:00,589 just one day he goes by 406 00:18:00,589 --> 00:18:05,630 and now that it's almost a joke 407 00:18:05,630 --> 00:18:07,630 it's still there 408 00:18:07,630 --> 00:18:09,630 it's the family 409 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:21,869 keep up the good work 410 00:18:21,869 --> 00:18:24,059 yeah 411 00:18:24,059 --> 00:18:29,779 that's it 412 00:18:29,779 --> 00:18:31,779 lori review and adopt stanford town highway ordinance 413 00:18:31,779 --> 00:18:34,829 yes 414 00:18:34,829 --> 00:18:36,829 if you guys want to take a look at this 415 00:18:36,829 --> 00:18:38,829 um a small typo 416 00:18:38,829 --> 00:18:40,829 was pointed out to me but the main reason you're doing this 417 00:18:40,829 --> 00:18:42,829 is because i would stick over christmas 418 00:18:42,829 --> 00:18:44,829 and miss the deadline to publish 419 00:18:44,829 --> 00:18:46,829 and it's all 420 00:18:48,109 --> 00:18:50,109 in a time you know in a time frame 421 00:18:50,109 --> 00:18:52,109 it has to be done timely 422 00:18:52,109 --> 00:18:54,109 is that this 423 00:18:54,109 --> 00:18:56,109 yeah we've looked at this 424 00:18:56,109 --> 00:18:58,109 the highway ordinance 425 00:18:58,109 --> 00:19:01,680 um 426 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,680 ocean design 427 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,859 just look at it 428 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,259 i think part of the problem 429 00:19:14,259 --> 00:19:16,259 was i had it on the agenda for many 430 00:19:16,259 --> 00:19:18,259 of you 431 00:19:18,259 --> 00:19:20,259 there were a few revisions made 432 00:19:20,259 --> 00:19:22,259 and you accepted it 433 00:19:22,259 --> 00:19:24,259 and we're going to sign it at the next meeting 434 00:19:24,259 --> 00:19:26,259 but then two weeks later when you sign it 435 00:19:26,259 --> 00:19:28,259 now the publication is to me chapter of the adoption 436 00:19:28,259 --> 00:19:30,259 but i didn't have a sign copy 437 00:19:30,259 --> 00:19:32,509 and everything just happened so 438 00:19:32,509 --> 00:19:34,509 well thank you for picking up on it 439 00:19:34,509 --> 00:19:36,799 and keeping us straight 440 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:38,799 following the law 441 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:45,500 and lori does have a chapter 442 00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:47,500 for all these adoptions 443 00:19:47,500 --> 00:19:49,500 that she's got published by 444 00:19:49,500 --> 00:19:51,500 signed by 445 00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:53,500 keep all that 446 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:55,500 i don't know how you keep it all together lori 447 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:57,500 i have a hard enough time doing stuff like that 448 00:19:59,500 --> 00:20:01,500 you put sickness in there 449 00:20:01,500 --> 00:20:03,500 and family sickness and christmas 450 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:05,500 and i don't know how you 451 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:07,500 that's not how you do it 452 00:20:07,500 --> 00:20:09,500 we do that at christmas 453 00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:11,500 everybody 454 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:17,500 that's lori's checklist 455 00:20:17,500 --> 00:20:20,529 yeah 456 00:20:20,529 --> 00:20:22,619 thank you 457 00:20:22,619 --> 00:20:24,619 any requests for 2024 458 00:20:24,619 --> 00:20:26,619 grant and aid grant 459 00:20:26,619 --> 00:20:29,170 okay 460 00:20:29,170 --> 00:20:32,380 this 461 00:20:32,380 --> 00:20:34,380 this is a ten thousand dollar 462 00:20:34,380 --> 00:20:36,380 grant that 463 00:20:36,380 --> 00:20:38,380 dave worked out with 464 00:20:38,380 --> 00:20:40,380 jim henderson 465 00:20:40,380 --> 00:20:42,609 they just paid it 466 00:20:42,609 --> 00:20:44,609 to cost twelve thousand six hundred dollars 467 00:20:44,609 --> 00:20:50,000 what was it for 468 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,000 this was work 469 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000 that you did this past 470 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,000 summer and we're submitting 471 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000 for reimbursement so 472 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000 the cost for a grant for 473 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000 2024 we're not going to get 474 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,000 reimbursed until 2025 475 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,000 the jepson road 476 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,000 culvert replacement and rip wrapping 477 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,000 and ditch stone 478 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,059 does that be 479 00:21:12,059 --> 00:21:14,059 clean water 480 00:21:14,059 --> 00:21:18,049 yeah 481 00:21:18,049 --> 00:21:20,049 six hundred is that the blanket 482 00:21:20,049 --> 00:21:22,049 so watch for the report 483 00:21:22,049 --> 00:21:24,049 was that the final number 484 00:21:24,049 --> 00:21:26,269 twelve thousand 485 00:21:26,269 --> 00:21:28,269 six hundred 486 00:21:28,269 --> 00:21:30,269 twenty seven dollars 487 00:21:30,269 --> 00:21:32,269 yeah 488 00:21:32,269 --> 00:21:34,269 our budget 489 00:21:34,269 --> 00:21:36,269 twenty six 490 00:21:36,269 --> 00:21:38,269 did you use to 491 00:21:38,269 --> 00:21:40,269 add gravel 492 00:21:40,269 --> 00:21:42,269 and stone line the ditches 493 00:21:42,269 --> 00:21:44,269 just on jepson road 494 00:21:44,269 --> 00:21:46,269 there's two culverts 495 00:21:46,269 --> 00:21:48,269 some gravel 496 00:21:48,269 --> 00:21:50,269 were you allowed to use a match 497 00:21:50,269 --> 00:21:52,269 like we've done before 498 00:21:52,269 --> 00:21:54,269 well 499 00:21:54,269 --> 00:21:56,269 well 500 00:21:56,269 --> 00:21:58,269 really 501 00:21:58,269 --> 00:22:00,269 that is our match 502 00:22:00,269 --> 00:22:02,269 our time is included in that 503 00:22:02,269 --> 00:22:04,269 i just want to 504 00:22:04,269 --> 00:22:06,269 people to understand that the match 505 00:22:06,269 --> 00:22:08,269 comes from your work 506 00:22:08,269 --> 00:22:10,269 not the money 507 00:22:10,269 --> 00:22:12,269 what we actually spent on that 508 00:22:12,269 --> 00:22:14,269 we took money in 509 00:22:14,269 --> 00:22:16,269 it didn't cost the county 510 00:22:16,269 --> 00:22:18,269 we got money back 511 00:22:18,269 --> 00:22:20,269 i just want people to understand that 512 00:22:20,269 --> 00:22:22,269 because it seems like 513 00:22:22,269 --> 00:22:24,269 people think that we're spending money 514 00:22:24,269 --> 00:22:26,269 even on matches that we're not 515 00:22:26,269 --> 00:22:28,269 because a good investment 516 00:22:28,269 --> 00:22:30,269 in the future 517 00:22:30,269 --> 00:22:32,269 i mean 518 00:22:32,269 --> 00:22:34,269 years ago you would have been 519 00:22:34,269 --> 00:22:36,269 paying the match 520 00:22:36,269 --> 00:22:38,849 right when we operate now 521 00:22:38,849 --> 00:22:40,849 so look at 522 00:22:40,849 --> 00:22:43,740 the first page 523 00:22:43,740 --> 00:22:45,740 so we're charging 524 00:22:45,740 --> 00:22:47,740 fringe benefit rates 525 00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:50,000 for our guys 526 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000 and we're also charging 527 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,000 the cost of our equipment 528 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,000 this thirty nine eighty nine 529 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,000 is what we really spent 530 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,000 so that's an actual 531 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,000 out of pocket cost 532 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,000 and i don't sign a lot of things 533 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000 and a little bit for the guys 534 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000 but this isn't their rates 535 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000 right 536 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000 so i have to do that 537 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,130 motion to sign 538 00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:16,130 i just want 539 00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:18,829 people to be aware 540 00:23:18,829 --> 00:23:20,829 it seems like 541 00:23:20,829 --> 00:23:22,829 people aren't hearing 542 00:23:22,829 --> 00:23:24,829 that those grants 543 00:23:24,829 --> 00:23:27,150 it seems like almost every 544 00:23:27,150 --> 00:23:29,150 month we're getting grants 545 00:23:29,150 --> 00:23:31,150 here and there 546 00:23:31,150 --> 00:23:33,150 the matches are 547 00:23:33,150 --> 00:23:35,150 because we invested in 548 00:23:35,150 --> 00:23:37,150 equipment that we can use 549 00:23:37,150 --> 00:23:39,150 in that hiring 550 00:23:39,150 --> 00:23:41,150 these are all grants 551 00:23:41,150 --> 00:23:43,150 that dave's chasing right 552 00:23:43,150 --> 00:23:45,150 dave and i are both working 553 00:23:45,150 --> 00:23:47,150 the linked rope 554 00:23:47,150 --> 00:23:49,150 yeah there's a five hundred thousand dollar 555 00:23:49,150 --> 00:23:51,150 job 556 00:23:51,150 --> 00:23:53,470 we save between 557 00:23:53,470 --> 00:23:56,589 probably a half million dollars 558 00:23:56,589 --> 00:23:58,589 right now 559 00:23:58,589 --> 00:24:00,910 if you waited to do it now 560 00:24:00,910 --> 00:24:02,910 those are the things that 561 00:24:02,910 --> 00:24:04,910 nobody really ever sees 562 00:24:04,910 --> 00:24:06,910 that's it under road commission 563 00:24:06,910 --> 00:24:08,910 can i say something 564 00:24:08,910 --> 00:24:17,220 i want the board to think 565 00:24:17,220 --> 00:24:20,079 we can't really decide anything 566 00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:22,079 tonight but 567 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:24,079 we ought to look at a 568 00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:27,549 common employee policy 569 00:24:27,549 --> 00:24:29,549 for the road crew 570 00:24:29,549 --> 00:24:31,549 i've already mentioned 571 00:24:31,549 --> 00:24:33,549 that we would go through 572 00:24:33,549 --> 00:24:36,319 the handbook 573 00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:38,319 look at things 574 00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:40,319 maybe have a 575 00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:42,319 common employee policy 576 00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:44,319 for the road crew 577 00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:46,319 maybe have a policy 578 00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:48,319 for incentives 579 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:50,319 down in the future 580 00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:52,509 down the road 581 00:24:52,509 --> 00:24:55,920 to you know 582 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,920 each year 583 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,920 the town is under the gun 584 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,339 of whatever board 585 00:25:02,339 --> 00:25:04,339 sits here 586 00:25:04,339 --> 00:25:06,400 and that board 587 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,529 can change things 588 00:25:08,529 --> 00:25:10,529 a drop of a hat 589 00:25:10,529 --> 00:25:12,529 that puts stress on 590 00:25:12,529 --> 00:25:14,529 people that are on call 591 00:25:14,529 --> 00:25:16,660 24 hours a day 24 hours a day 592 00:25:16,660 --> 00:25:18,660 and that's what we're 593 00:25:18,660 --> 00:25:20,660 looking at 594 00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:22,660 and anybody understands 595 00:25:22,660 --> 00:25:25,009 maybe if you're a volunteer 596 00:25:25,009 --> 00:25:27,009 or a fireman 597 00:25:27,009 --> 00:25:29,009 you understand what it means 598 00:25:29,009 --> 00:25:31,009 to be called in 599 00:25:31,009 --> 00:25:33,009 cause I don't know where 600 00:25:33,009 --> 00:25:35,009 they don't understand 601 00:25:35,009 --> 00:25:37,009 what these guys are 602 00:25:37,009 --> 00:25:39,009 thanksgiving i know for a fact 603 00:25:39,009 --> 00:25:41,009 you were out thanksgiving day 604 00:25:41,009 --> 00:25:43,009 i was sitting with my family 605 00:25:43,009 --> 00:25:45,009 drinking wine 606 00:25:45,009 --> 00:25:47,009 you were out clubbing tonight 607 00:25:47,009 --> 00:25:49,579 your benefits are locked in place 608 00:25:49,579 --> 00:25:51,579 after 10 years 609 00:25:51,579 --> 00:25:53,579 so you have benefits 610 00:25:53,579 --> 00:25:55,579 you have a benefit of say insurance 611 00:25:55,579 --> 00:25:57,579 or you have a benefit of time off 612 00:25:57,579 --> 00:25:59,579 just like I do at my own company 613 00:25:59,579 --> 00:26:01,579 I sit down and say 614 00:26:01,579 --> 00:26:03,579 if you've been here 10 years 615 00:26:03,579 --> 00:26:05,579 you get x amount of days off 616 00:26:05,579 --> 00:26:07,579 versus if you've been here one year 617 00:26:07,579 --> 00:26:09,579 cause if you've been here one year 618 00:26:09,579 --> 00:26:11,579 you don't even know if they're any good or not 619 00:26:11,579 --> 00:26:13,579 we've talked about this in the past 620 00:26:13,579 --> 00:26:15,809 with other employees 621 00:26:15,809 --> 00:26:17,809 elected officials 622 00:26:17,809 --> 00:26:19,809 so an elected official 623 00:26:19,809 --> 00:26:21,809 when they get hired 624 00:26:21,809 --> 00:26:23,809 you've got a year whether they can do it or not 625 00:26:23,809 --> 00:26:25,839 you pay them 626 00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:27,839 that's kind of nerve wracking 627 00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:29,839 when you've got a guy that's dedicated 628 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:32,000 I think we talked about it 629 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,000 about 15 years 630 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000 right around that time 631 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,539 look at that side of it too 632 00:26:38,539 --> 00:26:41,250 I think that the board 633 00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:43,250 should start thinking about 634 00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:45,250 our employees 635 00:26:45,250 --> 00:26:47,250 because I think if we 636 00:26:47,250 --> 00:26:49,859 were to take a poll in town 637 00:26:49,859 --> 00:26:51,859 to people in town 638 00:26:51,859 --> 00:26:53,859 do you think they're overpaid or underpaid 639 00:26:53,859 --> 00:26:55,859 not that you're paying for taxes 640 00:26:55,859 --> 00:26:57,859 look at the job 641 00:26:57,859 --> 00:26:59,859 cause everybody thinks their taxes are too high 642 00:26:59,859 --> 00:27:02,019 everybody's taxes are too high 643 00:27:02,019 --> 00:27:04,019 but look at what they're doing with their job 644 00:27:04,019 --> 00:27:06,180 and wonder geez 645 00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:08,180 you just mentioned I think John just said 646 00:27:08,180 --> 00:27:10,180 I'm a grant writer 647 00:27:10,180 --> 00:27:12,180 I'm a CDL 648 00:27:12,180 --> 00:27:14,180 license, OSHA license 649 00:27:14,180 --> 00:27:16,180 I'm doing safety 650 00:27:16,180 --> 00:27:18,180 I'm running the crew 651 00:27:18,180 --> 00:27:20,180 I'm a mechanic 652 00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:22,180 I'm doing things 653 00:27:22,180 --> 00:27:24,180 doing your paperwork 654 00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:26,589 and your payroll with her 655 00:27:26,589 --> 00:27:28,589 all I know is that 656 00:27:28,589 --> 00:27:30,589 I wouldn't do it for that much 657 00:27:30,589 --> 00:27:32,589 wouldn't do it for double that much 658 00:27:32,589 --> 00:27:34,589 and I'm not trying to say 659 00:27:34,589 --> 00:27:36,589 I don't want taxpayers thinking 660 00:27:36,589 --> 00:27:38,589 I want to give Dave a million dollars 661 00:27:38,589 --> 00:27:40,589 all I want is appreciation 662 00:27:40,589 --> 00:27:43,069 to say look 663 00:27:43,069 --> 00:27:45,069 maybe there's a little bit of 664 00:27:45,069 --> 00:27:47,069 taking off the stress 665 00:27:47,069 --> 00:27:49,069 not worrying about my future 666 00:27:49,069 --> 00:27:51,069 another board should come in and go 667 00:27:51,069 --> 00:27:53,069 I don't want to pay the insurance 668 00:27:53,069 --> 00:27:55,069 let them pay their own 669 00:27:55,069 --> 00:27:57,329 or we're going to back the money now 670 00:27:57,329 --> 00:27:59,329 I would like to see us look at a policy 671 00:27:59,329 --> 00:28:01,900 and not just for him 672 00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:03,900 20 years from now 673 00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:05,900 what are you going to do when you've got to hire another person 674 00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:07,900 you've got to hire someone else 675 00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:09,900 in one of these positions 676 00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:11,900 is it going to be lucrative 677 00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:13,900 for those people to take that position 678 00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:15,900 or are we going to go without someone 679 00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:17,900 and we've gone without positions in town 680 00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:19,900 we've gone without dog catchers in town 681 00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:21,900 I mean 682 00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:23,900 or dog officers 683 00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:25,900 we've gone without a lot 684 00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:27,900 in this town since I've been a board member 685 00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:29,900 it's been 10 years since I've been a board member 686 00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:31,900 and I've seen no water in the sewer 687 00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:33,900 at town hall 688 00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:35,940 no water in the sewer 689 00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:37,940 at the town garage 690 00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:39,940 that's amazing 691 00:28:39,940 --> 00:28:42,220 the past board members didn't address that 692 00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:44,220 so I think that we should 693 00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:46,220 address this 694 00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:48,220 as a board 695 00:28:48,220 --> 00:28:50,220 and look into it 696 00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:52,220 and say alright what can we do legally 697 00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:54,450 I know in the state of Massachusetts 698 00:28:54,450 --> 00:28:56,450 if I give her insurance 699 00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:58,450 and my policy says one year 700 00:28:58,450 --> 00:29:00,450 I've got to give her insurance 701 00:29:00,450 --> 00:29:02,450 it doesn't matter how good she is 702 00:29:02,450 --> 00:29:04,450 it doesn't matter if she's been here 30 years 703 00:29:04,450 --> 00:29:06,450 if she's been here one year 704 00:29:06,450 --> 00:29:09,250 you're locked in 705 00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:11,250 look at it 706 00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:13,250 and try to give some sort of 707 00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:15,250 I use the word incentive 708 00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:17,380 but I'm also using the word 709 00:29:17,380 --> 00:29:20,049 almost like a 710 00:29:20,049 --> 00:29:22,430 stress relief 711 00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:24,430 you know what I mean 712 00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:26,430 instead of just saying thank you 713 00:29:26,430 --> 00:29:28,430 here is your thank you 714 00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:30,430 that's how I feel 715 00:29:30,430 --> 00:29:32,430 I've been looking at it 716 00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:34,430 and I think it's important 717 00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:36,430 I think it's a good idea 718 00:29:36,430 --> 00:29:38,430 and also Dave's not going to be around forever 719 00:29:38,430 --> 00:29:40,430 what do you got 8 years left Dave 720 00:29:40,430 --> 00:29:42,430 around here 721 00:29:42,430 --> 00:29:44,430 so it might be an incentive for somebody new 722 00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:46,430 that's coming on 723 00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:48,430 to stay for the 10 years 724 00:29:48,430 --> 00:29:50,430 and put in the dedication 725 00:29:50,430 --> 00:29:52,460 you know that a lot of people use 726 00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:54,460 these town jobs 727 00:29:54,460 --> 00:29:56,460 like stepping stones 728 00:29:56,460 --> 00:29:58,460 I know in law enforcement 729 00:29:58,460 --> 00:30:00,460 part time law enforcement 730 00:30:00,460 --> 00:30:02,460 uses stepping stones 731 00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:04,460 nobody goes and works in Stanford 732 00:30:04,460 --> 00:30:06,460 as the police officer 733 00:30:06,460 --> 00:30:08,460 when they can step up to Bennington 734 00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:10,460 and then say troopers 735 00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:13,140 the money isn't there 736 00:30:13,140 --> 00:30:15,140 you're doing all the same work 737 00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:17,140 with no money 738 00:30:17,140 --> 00:30:19,140 you want a good qualified 739 00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:21,140 person to do these jobs 740 00:30:21,140 --> 00:30:23,140 and it takes time 741 00:30:23,140 --> 00:30:25,140 it's not something you can just 742 00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:27,140 quit your job 743 00:30:27,140 --> 00:30:29,140 and come down here 744 00:30:29,140 --> 00:30:31,140 they're in the same boat as we are 745 00:30:31,140 --> 00:30:33,140 so that's not who you're going to get 746 00:30:33,140 --> 00:30:35,140 what you're going to get 747 00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:37,140 is someone coming up the ladder 748 00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:39,230 that says I care about the town 749 00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:41,230 Kurt says that all the time 750 00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:43,230 do the people that work here 751 00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:45,230 and run for office 752 00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:47,230 and do the things that you care about the town 753 00:30:47,230 --> 00:30:49,230 of course they do 754 00:30:49,230 --> 00:30:51,230 they're not going to work for these salaries 755 00:30:51,230 --> 00:30:53,230 if they didn't care 756 00:30:53,230 --> 00:30:55,839 there's not enough money in there 757 00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:57,839 it's not to say I want to raise taxes 758 00:30:57,839 --> 00:30:59,839 and pay you guys a ton of money 759 00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:01,839 it's to say thanks 760 00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:03,839 we're going to hold on to what we have 761 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:05,839 and not go backwards 762 00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:07,839 and not go backwards 763 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:09,839 it would be nice to build some stability 764 00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:11,839 and knowing that hey 765 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:14,099 just because the board changes 766 00:31:14,099 --> 00:31:16,099 this board 767 00:31:16,099 --> 00:31:18,289 knows the history 768 00:31:18,289 --> 00:31:20,289 and everything that's going on 769 00:31:20,289 --> 00:31:22,289 a new board would be starting to crash 770 00:31:22,289 --> 00:31:24,289 it's not really appreciated 771 00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:26,289 I'd like that 772 00:31:26,289 --> 00:31:28,289 please get a copy of any of the 773 00:31:28,289 --> 00:31:30,289 highway employee policies 774 00:31:30,289 --> 00:31:32,289 handbooks 775 00:31:32,289 --> 00:31:34,289 anything like that 776 00:31:34,289 --> 00:31:36,289 do you guys have an earn time 777 00:31:36,289 --> 00:31:38,289 what's that 778 00:31:38,289 --> 00:31:40,289 do you have an earn time program 779 00:31:40,289 --> 00:31:42,289 no 780 00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:44,289 the only thing we do have is something that says 781 00:31:44,289 --> 00:31:46,289 if I don't show up they take time away 782 00:31:46,289 --> 00:31:48,289 no what I'm saying is 783 00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:50,289 in the 784 00:31:50,289 --> 00:31:52,289 law enforcement anyways 785 00:31:52,289 --> 00:31:54,289 we have an option 786 00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:56,289 if we get called in for service 787 00:31:56,289 --> 00:31:58,289 the city don't like to pay time and a half 788 00:31:58,289 --> 00:32:00,289 or overtime 789 00:32:00,289 --> 00:32:02,289 but we do we get time and a half or overtime 790 00:32:02,289 --> 00:32:04,609 or we can elect 791 00:32:04,609 --> 00:32:06,609 for earn time 792 00:32:06,609 --> 00:32:08,609 so we can take instead of overtime pay 793 00:32:08,609 --> 00:32:10,609 we can take time 794 00:32:10,609 --> 00:32:12,609 so if we get called in 795 00:32:12,609 --> 00:32:14,609 it's comp time 796 00:32:14,609 --> 00:32:16,609 if we get called in we get a 4 hour minimum 797 00:32:16,609 --> 00:32:18,609 but we can turn that 4 hours 798 00:32:18,609 --> 00:32:20,990 into 6 hours 799 00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:22,990 so I was just thinking that's a pretty good incentive 800 00:32:22,990 --> 00:32:24,990 with somebody that's working 801 00:32:24,990 --> 00:32:26,990 15 hours a day 802 00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:28,990 or 16 hours a day 803 00:32:28,990 --> 00:32:30,990 or getting called in 804 00:32:30,990 --> 00:32:32,990 he has an option to take the overtime 805 00:32:32,990 --> 00:32:34,990 or has an option of taking time off 806 00:32:34,990 --> 00:32:36,990 I'm just saying 807 00:32:36,990 --> 00:32:38,990 hunting season 808 00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:40,990 these guys are in the woods hunting 809 00:32:40,990 --> 00:32:42,990 they take their time for hunting 810 00:32:42,990 --> 00:32:44,990 it gives them more hunting time 811 00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:46,990 we do get to after I don't know 812 00:32:46,990 --> 00:32:49,630 10 years or whatever 813 00:32:49,630 --> 00:32:51,630 if I'm not mistaken 814 00:32:51,630 --> 00:32:53,630 you got more than 2 weeks at one time 815 00:32:53,630 --> 00:32:55,630 well before I started here 816 00:32:55,630 --> 00:32:57,630 it was I think 817 00:32:57,630 --> 00:32:59,630 after 15 years 818 00:32:59,630 --> 00:33:01,630 but then they started the whole 819 00:33:01,630 --> 00:33:03,630 if you worked here after this date 820 00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:05,630 this is what it was going to be 821 00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:07,630 yeah so that went backwards 822 00:33:07,630 --> 00:33:09,630 not forwards 823 00:33:09,630 --> 00:33:11,630 you got the 4 weeks maybe 824 00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:13,630 were you grandfathered into that 825 00:33:13,630 --> 00:33:15,630 I don't remember 826 00:33:15,630 --> 00:33:17,630 I don't think I do 827 00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:19,630 well I'd like to look into it soon 828 00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:21,630 at least 829 00:33:21,630 --> 00:33:23,630 dig into it a little bit 830 00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:25,630 maybe we can come up with a 831 00:33:25,630 --> 00:33:27,630 time off is always appreciated but I don't know if it's practical 832 00:33:27,630 --> 00:33:31,630 my work doesn't go away 833 00:33:31,630 --> 00:33:33,630 I take the time off 834 00:33:33,630 --> 00:33:35,630 like I said I'm not trying to 835 00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:37,630 spend a whole bunch of money 836 00:33:37,630 --> 00:33:39,630 and throw money at people 837 00:33:39,630 --> 00:33:41,630 because that to me is 838 00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:43,630 not even 839 00:33:43,630 --> 00:33:45,630 how much can I spend 840 00:33:45,630 --> 00:33:47,630 it's like giving a guy 841 00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:49,630 a quarter raise 842 00:33:49,630 --> 00:33:51,630 alright thanks for the quarter 843 00:33:51,630 --> 00:33:53,630 you get 21 cents because the government 844 00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:55,630 took some off 845 00:33:55,630 --> 00:33:57,630 more perks 846 00:33:57,630 --> 00:33:59,630 I'd rather have you say 847 00:33:59,630 --> 00:34:01,630 like you said I'm going to get 3 weeks 848 00:34:01,630 --> 00:34:03,630 vacation you can stagger it 849 00:34:03,630 --> 00:34:05,630 even if you use it for sick days 850 00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:07,630 whatever or 851 00:34:07,630 --> 00:34:09,630 you know you got this insurance in place 852 00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:11,630 and insurance is just an awful 853 00:34:11,630 --> 00:34:13,630 thing it's an awful thing 854 00:34:13,630 --> 00:34:15,630 you're working for insurance 855 00:34:15,630 --> 00:34:17,630 I mean it's awful 856 00:34:17,630 --> 00:34:19,630 how much they charge but 857 00:34:19,630 --> 00:34:21,630 what that does is give pounds of incentive 858 00:34:21,630 --> 00:34:23,630 to want to chop it but yeah 859 00:34:23,630 --> 00:34:25,630 you're going to save $10,000 860 00:34:25,630 --> 00:34:27,630 $20,000 on a 861 00:34:27,630 --> 00:34:29,630 insurance but now you just told the guy 862 00:34:29,630 --> 00:34:31,630 you took away his money 863 00:34:31,630 --> 00:34:33,630 that's what you get 864 00:34:33,630 --> 00:34:35,630 it's like coming up and saying 865 00:34:35,630 --> 00:34:37,630 you made $30 an hour I'm going to give you 866 00:34:37,630 --> 00:34:39,949 $27 an hour 867 00:34:39,949 --> 00:34:41,949 I think if we get the employee policy 868 00:34:41,949 --> 00:34:43,949 look it over and maybe we can schedule a 869 00:34:43,949 --> 00:34:45,949 work session with the employees 870 00:34:45,949 --> 00:34:47,949 I'd like not to have this get 871 00:34:47,949 --> 00:34:49,949 kicked under the rug 872 00:34:49,949 --> 00:34:51,949 with a work session 873 00:34:55,949 --> 00:34:58,050 what were you doing 874 00:34:58,050 --> 00:35:00,050 you're not even working 875 00:35:00,050 --> 00:35:02,050 how was I working 876 00:35:02,050 --> 00:35:04,050 oh you did work 877 00:35:04,050 --> 00:35:06,050 I'm in Clarksburg 878 00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:08,050 oh you're in Clarksburg 879 00:35:08,050 --> 00:35:10,050 I'm in Clarksburg 880 00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:12,050 anything else under rotation 881 00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:14,050 I was sitting with that state trooper 882 00:35:14,050 --> 00:35:16,050 that followed me the other day 883 00:35:16,050 --> 00:35:18,050 he is in there a lot 884 00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:20,050 well that's how Clarksburg 885 00:35:20,050 --> 00:35:22,050 you come right out behind me 886 00:35:22,050 --> 00:35:24,050 the other day 887 00:35:24,050 --> 00:35:26,210 it was dark in the morning 888 00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:28,210 he had me 889 00:35:28,210 --> 00:35:30,210 the other day 890 00:35:30,210 --> 00:35:32,210 he's right in your 891 00:35:32,210 --> 00:35:34,210 works 892 00:35:40,210 --> 00:35:42,210 anything else under rotation 893 00:35:42,210 --> 00:35:44,210 how about recycling 894 00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:51,460 discussion 895 00:35:51,460 --> 00:35:53,579 appointment of ethics liaison 896 00:35:53,579 --> 00:35:55,579 officer 897 00:35:55,579 --> 00:35:57,579 and I want to talk about our training 898 00:35:57,579 --> 00:36:00,420 so 899 00:36:00,420 --> 00:36:03,090 for 900 00:36:03,090 --> 00:36:05,090 the 901 00:36:05,090 --> 00:36:09,900 you 902 00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:11,900 the 903 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:13,900 the ethics 904 00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:16,380 liaison officer 905 00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:18,380 Paul 906 00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:20,449 all in favor 907 00:36:20,449 --> 00:36:22,449 I 908 00:36:22,449 --> 00:36:24,449 I 909 00:36:24,449 --> 00:36:26,449 I thought there was discussion 910 00:36:26,449 --> 00:36:28,449 so 911 00:36:28,449 --> 00:36:30,449 according to the parameters 912 00:36:30,449 --> 00:36:32,449 of the ethics 913 00:36:32,449 --> 00:36:34,449 person 914 00:36:34,449 --> 00:36:36,449 it can be 915 00:36:36,449 --> 00:36:38,449 an employee or a board member 916 00:36:38,449 --> 00:36:46,130 so my only question is should it be a board member should it maybe be an employee to because most 917 00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:54,670 ethics violations come from the board so i i you know shame on vermont for kind of steering this 918 00:36:54,670 --> 00:37:01,309 whole thing the way they did you really want somebody more outside that's going to filter 919 00:37:01,309 --> 00:37:07,230 well i'm thinking too that all right run into that no matter even if it was an employee wouldn't we 920 00:37:07,230 --> 00:37:13,389 run into it no matter what if that employee was unethical i mean you know a lot of different 921 00:37:13,389 --> 00:37:20,269 employees really you know you don't think anyone on the planning commission is technically 922 00:37:21,150 --> 00:37:27,550 an employee because i don't know about that i am because you are but i don't think 923 00:37:28,510 --> 00:37:37,070 well they get a little stipend yeah anyway um it's like it's just an observation yeah 924 00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:42,190 i think that no matter who it was that's working for the town whether it's a board member 925 00:37:42,909 --> 00:37:49,630 or an employee it'll always run into that point where that one person could potentially have 926 00:37:52,989 --> 00:38:00,829 right but the bulk of ethics violations are mutually living towards the boards well the other 927 00:38:00,829 --> 00:38:06,900 thing is dunks could do a lot of reading on it and i mean i took the training he took training i don't 928 00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:15,460 know anybody else but we really need to take the training and uh it seems to me that first the 929 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:19,300 complaint would go to the ethics commission and then he would come back to us 930 00:38:23,059 --> 00:38:31,090 right and then we all would i don't know how it's going to work i i don't know who hears it 931 00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:37,010 i haven't seen that yet my way of thinking that what would happen first of all it goes that there's 932 00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:41,889 a complaint you send it to the ethics board you don't you know i'll come down and send it to the 933 00:38:41,889 --> 00:38:47,809 ethics board then they'll look it over they'll send it down to the liaison and then we investigate 934 00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:56,239 well we know we already understood it i thought it went to the municipality no there you could 935 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:04,380 do it both ways i think it goes first it goes to the ethics board okay you read a lot on this too 936 00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:10,260 jim yeah um i had me and doug had conversation yesterday 937 00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:18,739 at length and i've been doing a lot of research in this as well and so um doug is absolutely correct 938 00:39:18,739 --> 00:39:26,179 when you the complaint you print out from the website you fill out the complaint it goes to 939 00:39:26,179 --> 00:39:32,739 the ethics commission and the ethnic commission if they feel like that if there is a perception 940 00:39:33,699 --> 00:39:34,019 or 941 00:39:34,820 --> 00:39:42,130 reasonable a reasonable thing they send it back to the select board committee ethics committee 942 00:39:42,769 --> 00:39:49,760 um and at that time you guys are you have to investigate you have to figure it out so 943 00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:54,909 what most places are doing i'm talking larger towns though 944 00:39:55,630 --> 00:40:04,269 this is not unfortunately we're in we're in an era where it's very prominent in small town usa 945 00:40:04,989 --> 00:40:15,659 and so in that sense theuez has valuable data uh we've done of course one first right here 946 00:40:16,460 --> 00:40:21,340 it's property management decision making and public relations is natural i'm getting 947 00:40:21,980 --> 00:40:26,940 fields almost every where we go some a few directives where some people don't do their 948 00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:33,579 BMC Ms or other services in our state but it's really part and parcel for those folks so we uh 949 00:40:33,579 --> 00:40:39,280 the state says it's not an ethics issue or not there's going to be a time where 950 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,559 that the perception is there right so and if you read the 13 reasons of ethics 951 00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:50,079 with the state of Vermont one of them is a perception is the same thing as an 952 00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:58,699 ethics right violation so we and I don't want to beat a dead horse here we have a 953 00:40:58,699 --> 00:41:06,800 perception that there's a ethics issue here but there's also ways that you guys 954 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,219 can talk about or we can all talk about how to fix the perception and that's 955 00:41:12,219 --> 00:41:17,360 what a committee would do that Doug would sit and then chair as the 956 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:23,539 liaison but you have two or three people with him and I told Doug that I would be 957 00:41:23,539 --> 00:41:28,900 more than happy to to do that with them and so 958 00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:35,650 you figure out if there is a perception or whatever and so our current situation we would 959 00:41:35,650 --> 00:41:43,039 come up with some reason to rectify it now we don't think and i don't think right now with that 960 00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:50,449 current situation is that anything or anybody did anything uh blatant it wasn't we know that right 961 00:41:50,449 --> 00:41:56,929 we know that and it's just so happened that okay so this never came up before but now it has i 962 00:41:56,929 --> 00:42:04,719 learned it when i started being the ao here we always did something this way but it may not have 963 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,679 been the right way right and and i proved it over and over and over again that hence we've got new 964 00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:16,960 bylaws everything is running somewhat smooth um with that end of it and things are changing again 965 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,840 more and more but to the good and this way i think it's going to be a good thing 966 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:27,360 but i also think that the board needs to figure out a way of taking that perception 967 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:35,900 away and i made a suggestion to doug and if he wants to to bring it up i'm good with it or if 968 00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:43,619 he wants me to but i know i know that the tax collector gets a percentage of the rebate right 969 00:42:43,619 --> 00:42:48,099 or whatever it is they get a percentage their pay is based on a percentage of 970 00:42:51,059 --> 00:42:58,050 taxes right delinquent taxes so a simple fix of that if it's legal i think it is 971 00:42:59,219 --> 00:43:03,380 everything i'm reading it's perfectly legal is it the pay the difference of pay 972 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:11,440 come up with a hourly rate come up with a salary it takes that perception away there's no change 973 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,719 if she's sitting on all them boards making those decisions it doesn't matter because she's still 974 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:24,030 going to get the 15 cents you know or whatever that extra bonus would be okay i did discuss this 975 00:43:30,449 --> 00:43:38,690 we've had this many years ago we did pay a salary but the delinquent tax collector did not bring in 976 00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:50,219 money but still got paid because that's what was voted on and that was her salary but did not 977 00:43:50,219 --> 00:43:58,619 collect did not send out bills they should go out at least i got a question so that's why the board 978 00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:01,980 way back i think it was in the 979 00:44:03,730 --> 00:44:08,050 so you're what you're saying is is that because you take away the percentage and you make them 980 00:44:08,050 --> 00:44:14,050 give them a salary or an hourly rate they decide to hell with this i mean i do it all the way back 981 00:44:14,610 --> 00:44:20,289 to elected positions versus appointed positions an elected position which that is they're in for 982 00:44:20,289 --> 00:44:23,969 a year they don't do a thing they sit there and take the salary i'm not sending wood 983 00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:31,650 right there's nothing you can do right an appointed position hey you're not doing your job 984 00:44:31,650 --> 00:44:32,210 guess what 985 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,599 well maybe going where you guys come in maybe that's where you guys come in probably 986 00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:42,800 create some kind of verbiage or something that says if you're in an elected position 987 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:48,079 and you don't do your job you're not able to get reelected i mean there's got to be 988 00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:54,719 something to hold somebody accountable because the unwillingness to take away the perception 989 00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:57,519 even that Bibbie 990 00:44:57,519 --> 00:44:57,780 냉 991 00:44:57,780 --> 00:44:58,000 ил 992 00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:07,079 I'm saying that he can do, but I don't know if that's a warrant article. 993 00:45:07,340 --> 00:45:12,440 We did that with the Lister, and we had anybody fill the Lister draft. 994 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,139 This is where the election process would come in. 995 00:45:14,699 --> 00:45:19,579 You know, somebody wants to run for it, hey, this person played a good part here. 996 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,679 And they didn't do anything. 997 00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:23,139 Who's going to vote for them? 998 00:45:23,139 --> 00:45:30,659 So I guess my question now is that I hear the unwillingness to take care of this perception. 999 00:45:30,659 --> 00:45:33,550 How are we going to fix the perception? 1000 00:45:33,550 --> 00:45:41,159 I'm going to tell you, as myself, not the board, but myself as a board member, 1001 00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:42,559 I'm not unwilling to fix it. 1002 00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:43,400 I want to fix it. 1003 00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:52,199 And I'm telling you, I think that exactly what you said, because we, if there's an ethical problem 1004 00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:58,329 and they don't do their job, it's not a reason to continue the ethical problem. 1005 00:45:58,969 --> 00:45:59,570 That make sense? 1006 00:45:59,570 --> 00:45:59,989 Makes sense. 1007 00:45:59,989 --> 00:46:02,369 Okay? So if we have an ethical problem, 1008 00:46:02,369 --> 00:46:08,300 someone's doing something unethical, and then we say, well, if we change it to this 1009 00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:12,199 and they don't do their job, then we've got another problem. 1010 00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:13,699 It's a different problem. 1011 00:46:14,099 --> 00:46:20,500 We can't keep the, if there, if we all agree, and I say we do, if we all agree 1012 00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:27,309 that there's a perception of an ethical problem, if we all agree on that, then we need to fix it. 1013 00:46:27,309 --> 00:46:32,750 If that way of changing the rates or the way we pay doesn't fix it, 1014 00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:33,010 then we need to fix it. 1015 00:46:33,010 --> 00:46:34,730 And I'm not saying it will or won't. 1016 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,420 And I, we've talked about this before, guys, almost, what, two, a month ago. 1017 00:46:41,340 --> 00:46:49,000 This, if we change this, this rate or this way of paying to, because I don't believe the person 1018 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,219 that's in charge now would not do their job. 1019 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,880 This, let's just say, the person collected $10,000 last year. 1020 00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:01,099 Well, we make our salary that's $12,000, boom, there's the money. 1021 00:47:01,099 --> 00:47:03,460 The person, I think, is still going to do their job. 1022 00:47:03,460 --> 00:47:09,739 You're right, we have an elected, you got one year, they mess up, they get voted out. 1023 00:47:09,739 --> 00:47:12,780 But now the ethical problem has been fixed. 1024 00:47:13,789 --> 00:47:18,550 Whether they do their job or not, it doesn't matter to fix the ethical problem. 1025 00:47:19,179 --> 00:47:21,440 That make sense to everybody or do they disagree? 1026 00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:28,929 So that's what I'm saying, and I'm not saying that that's the answer, that we change the rate. 1027 00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:32,150 I'm saying that's one option that someone brought up. 1028 00:47:32,369 --> 00:47:32,570 Right, right. 1029 00:47:32,570 --> 00:47:33,570 That we should be looking into. 1030 00:47:33,570 --> 00:47:40,389 The only problem, think about it, there is a, if there is a perception, and I keep trying 1031 00:47:40,389 --> 00:47:45,630 to say this is not a personal issue, everybody agrees there's no intention at all, but if 1032 00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:54,239 there is a perception of unethical behavior, I'm collecting money, if my say matters, if 1033 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:59,510 that is the case, then we need to look at that and fix it. 1034 00:47:59,829 --> 00:48:05,369 If this goes, if one of these taxpayers out there sends a, 1035 00:48:05,389 --> 00:48:12,039 and they just get 10 of their friends to send it, do you see how much we got to do now? 1036 00:48:12,889 --> 00:48:16,929 We still have a big problem with 10 letters coming back. 1037 00:48:17,550 --> 00:48:25,159 Can I, can I also, I can also add this, so it's in the law, you guys can all go and read it. 1038 00:48:26,579 --> 00:48:32,460 If you do decide to do what you're doing now, and that's, I know you're, you're looking into things 1039 00:48:32,460 --> 00:48:36,099 and you're working on it, I get it, but if you decide not to do anything, 1040 00:48:36,539 --> 00:48:38,960 that in itself is an ethical issue. 1041 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:47,340 That's another violation that gets sent to the state, so we've, I'm, no, I'm just. 1042 00:48:47,340 --> 00:48:54,820 Go ahead, what I'm hearing here, I'm getting the vibe that, well, there's a problem and nobody's doing anything. 1043 00:48:54,820 --> 00:49:00,320 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't, no, I'm just, I want to, I know that's not, we talked about that, right? 1044 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:06,380 So that's why I just said, I know things are going on, I understand that, I'm just bringing it to your attention, 1045 00:49:06,380 --> 00:49:12,880 further down the paragraphs in the laws, you will read that if the select board understands 1046 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:18,480 and everybody sees that there is a perception and do nothing, that in itself is an ethical violation. 1047 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:24,380 That's all, I just wanted to, you know, I don't want the snowball to get any bigger, right? 1048 00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:30,380 No, like I said, I just want to make it clear without anybody misunderstanding that this is not being ignored. 1049 00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:32,380 Right, right, you don't have to tell me that, because you and I talked, so. 1050 00:49:32,380 --> 00:49:35,380 Maybe we can't do it like that, it's not being ignored. 1051 00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:35,880 Oh, yeah. 1052 00:49:36,380 --> 00:49:40,880 You have to take into account both sides of every, you know, every issue has both sides. 1053 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,880 You have to take into account everything. 1054 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,380 You got to make sure it's legal, you got to make sure what we can and cannot do. 1055 00:49:46,380 --> 00:49:46,880 Right. 1056 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,380 It's like we were talking with Dave earlier, can we do this or not? 1057 00:49:50,380 --> 00:49:53,380 If the state comes in and says, no, you can't do that. 1058 00:49:53,380 --> 00:49:58,380 If Deb wants to give a permit to someone digging in the middle of the river and putting the house up, 1059 00:49:58,380 --> 00:50:02,880 the state says, you can't do it, sorry, you can't do it. 1060 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,380 No, so we can't, we can't do that. 1061 00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:05,380 And I know what I'm saying. 1062 00:50:05,380 --> 00:50:08,880 I love to give an extreme example so nobody gets it. 1063 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,880 I've had a few really good examples. 1064 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:11,380 Exactly. 1065 00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:13,380 I want to build a tree house on the river. 1066 00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:13,880 Yeah. 1067 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:21,380 But I'm just saying is we, I believe, I agree with Doug, we are looking into and we are moving forward. 1068 00:50:21,380 --> 00:50:26,380 And it was a great conversation that was going on for years and years and years. 1069 00:50:26,380 --> 00:50:29,380 And I believe, I agree with Jim. 1070 00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:33,980 Jim, how many times have we said, that's the way it's always been. 1071 00:50:33,980 --> 00:50:34,980 And I'm like, but we're not even. 1072 00:50:34,980 --> 00:50:35,480 Right. 1073 00:50:35,980 --> 00:50:36,980 We're not even enforcing it. 1074 00:50:36,980 --> 00:50:37,480 Right. 1075 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:37,980 We got the ticket book. 1076 00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:38,980 You know what a slap board is? 1077 00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:39,480 Ticket books. 1078 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:39,980 Yes, we do. 1079 00:50:39,980 --> 00:50:41,480 How many tickets have you ever written? 1080 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:42,980 I was one of the signers. 1081 00:50:42,980 --> 00:50:43,980 Anybody? 1082 00:50:43,980 --> 00:50:46,480 Well, Luke has written tickets for the dogs, but that's. 1083 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,980 How many slap board members have written illegal trash stuff? 1084 00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:52,590 Anybody? 1085 00:50:52,590 --> 00:50:53,090 No. 1086 00:50:53,090 --> 00:50:54,090 Of course not. 1087 00:50:54,090 --> 00:50:54,590 Nobody. 1088 00:50:54,590 --> 00:50:59,199 I got a camp on one of the main illegal roads in town. 1089 00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:00,199 You know what we do? 1090 00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:03,699 We get, you get there to license plate, we go have a conversation with a guy. 1091 00:51:03,699 --> 00:51:04,699 Guess what? 1092 00:51:04,699 --> 00:51:06,199 Because stuff gets picked up. 1093 00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:06,699 You write him a ticket. 1094 00:51:06,699 --> 00:51:07,199 It goes to the state. 1095 00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:08,199 Guess who gets the money? 1096 00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:08,699 The state. 1097 00:51:08,699 --> 00:51:09,699 The state. 1098 00:51:09,699 --> 00:51:11,699 So, you can't force something. 1099 00:51:11,699 --> 00:51:12,699 How good is it? 1100 00:51:12,699 --> 00:51:13,199 Yeah. 1101 00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:13,699 Yeah. 1102 00:51:13,699 --> 00:51:14,699 What was your question? 1103 00:51:14,699 --> 00:51:15,199 Yeah. 1104 00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:20,699 Well, it wasn't a question, and I'm sure you guys, you have lots of options, and I'm 1105 00:51:20,699 --> 00:51:28,619 sure you, just like you said, you're discussing the options, but a simple one would have an 1106 00:51:28,619 --> 00:51:32,619 ordinance saying that if you hold this position, you cannot hold that position. 1107 00:51:32,619 --> 00:51:33,619 Correct. 1108 00:51:33,619 --> 00:51:36,619 Well, you weren't here though, I don't think, when we. 1109 00:51:36,619 --> 00:51:42,119 If the positions are elected, we can't say that. 1110 00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:42,619 Right. 1111 00:51:42,619 --> 00:51:44,619 But if they're appointed, you can say. 1112 00:51:44,619 --> 00:51:46,530 Anybody can run for that office. 1113 00:51:46,530 --> 00:51:53,030 But I thought you could have, okay, then maybe I missed that part of the discussion, but 1114 00:51:53,030 --> 00:52:02,030 I thought you can be more restrictive sometimes than state policies and have your own internal. 1115 00:52:02,030 --> 00:52:03,530 Maybe elections are different. 1116 00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:05,030 I don't know, but I do. 1117 00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:06,030 I actually like the pace. 1118 00:52:06,030 --> 00:52:07,030 Yeah. 1119 00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:08,030 I think it's better than that. 1120 00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:08,530 Yeah. 1121 00:52:08,530 --> 00:52:14,530 Is it a possibility to put the job out to bid to the outside contractor, like a company 1122 00:52:14,530 --> 00:52:15,030 to do it? 1123 00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:16,530 Well, if it's an elected position. 1124 00:52:16,530 --> 00:52:20,530 No, like just get away from the electives, or appointed, and just hire a company that 1125 00:52:20,530 --> 00:52:21,530 I don't know, take care of it. 1126 00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:22,530 I mean, it might be. 1127 00:52:22,530 --> 00:52:23,530 Like a collection service? 1128 00:52:23,530 --> 00:52:29,530 I'm not saying, I don't want to be negative, but, you know, we need to hire a member of 1129 00:52:29,530 --> 00:52:35,030 the company to do all this work, and it's $110 or $105 an hour, and we're worried about 1130 00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:37,030 giving someone $16 an hour. 1131 00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:38,030 So, you know. 1132 00:52:38,030 --> 00:52:39,030 The other thing. 1133 00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:40,030 But who writes good emails, though? 1134 00:52:40,030 --> 00:52:41,030 Yeah. 1135 00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:42,030 Who writes good emails? 1136 00:52:42,030 --> 00:52:47,030 Jim asked about percentage was added in 2005, whenever the board was there. 1137 00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:48,030 Yeah. 1138 00:52:48,030 --> 00:52:53,030 Before that, it was a salary like $1,000 or $1,500. 1139 00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:56,030 I would like to look at the past, you know, five years. 1140 00:52:56,030 --> 00:53:01,030 Let's just say the past five years that the tax collector brought in, you know, or we 1141 00:53:01,030 --> 00:53:05,030 paid the tax collector X amount of dollars, whatever it is. 1142 00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:06,030 Do a basic per hour thing. 1143 00:53:06,030 --> 00:53:07,030 Yeah. 1144 00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:08,030 And see where it's going to be. 1145 00:53:08,030 --> 00:53:09,030 And say, okay, look. 1146 00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:10,030 This is what. 1147 00:53:10,030 --> 00:53:11,030 This is, this job pays. 1148 00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:12,030 I mean, Laurie's elected. 1149 00:53:12,030 --> 00:53:13,030 She gets paid per hour. 1150 00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:14,030 All right? 1151 00:53:14,030 --> 00:53:15,030 So, she doesn't take advantage of it, right? 1152 00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:16,030 Salary. 1153 00:53:16,030 --> 00:53:17,030 Oh, you want her salary. 1154 00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:18,030 All right. 1155 00:53:18,030 --> 00:53:19,030 The town clerk. 1156 00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:20,030 I'm out of here. 1157 00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:21,030 I'm sorry. 1158 00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:22,030 You're out here for us, and you do a good job. 1159 00:53:22,030 --> 00:53:23,030 See? 1160 00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:24,320 So, I'm just saying that there's, I think the people that take these positions most 1161 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,320 of the time really care about their jobs. 1162 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,320 They're not going to come in here and say, I'm just not doing it. 1163 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:27,320 You know? 1164 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,320 Yeah. 1165 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,320 Yeah. 1166 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,320 Yeah. 1167 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,320 Yeah. 1168 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,320 Yeah. 1169 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:33,320 Yeah. 1170 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:34,320 Yeah. 1171 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,320 Yeah. 1172 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,920 And they're not going to come in here and say, I'm just not doing it. 1173 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,079 But things progress through time too. 1174 00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:43,079 So, things change. 1175 00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:44,079 This might not. 1176 00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:45,079 And you know the thing, gets paid per hour. 1177 00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:46,079 We can see if they're putting the time in. 1178 00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:47,179 You didn't put the time in. 1179 00:53:47,179 --> 00:53:48,179 You didn't write the, or do the paperwork. 1180 00:53:48,179 --> 00:53:49,179 You didn't go follow through. 1181 00:53:49,179 --> 00:53:50,179 No. 1182 00:53:50,179 --> 00:53:51,179 We didn't do the job. 1183 00:53:51,179 --> 00:53:52,179 We're not paying you. 1184 00:53:52,179 --> 00:53:53,179 Take us to court. 1185 00:53:53,179 --> 00:53:54,179 No. 1186 00:53:54,179 --> 00:53:55,179 I mean, like with Deb. 1187 00:53:55,179 --> 00:53:56,179 Deb, she gets paid by permits. 1188 00:53:56,179 --> 00:53:57,179 Right. 1189 00:53:57,179 --> 00:53:58,179 If you don't write the permit, you don't get paid. 1190 00:53:58,179 --> 00:53:59,179 Right? 1191 00:53:59,179 --> 00:54:00,179 I mean, go do your job, and you get paid. 1192 00:54:00,179 --> 00:54:01,179 Right? 1193 00:54:01,179 --> 00:54:02,179 That's what she's going to do. 1194 00:54:02,179 --> 00:54:03,179 You know. 1195 00:54:03,179 --> 00:54:04,179 I don't. 1196 00:54:04,179 --> 00:54:22,300 You know, I personally might get better than the elected, well, I don't think the candidate elected, but to look at the people and say, hey, who do you want? When they vote, there you go. You know, these are, the other way that the townspeople can change is vote against them, right? And we'll run against them. 1197 00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:39,079 The other thing, too, is if the same person holds both positions, they, and it comes to the situation we have where they're voting on their assessment or abatement, they could just recuse themselves from that part there. 1198 00:54:39,179 --> 00:54:40,480 But they're not forced to. 1199 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:41,300 They're not forced to. 1200 00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:45,300 That's the thing. So if you're asked if you want to recuse yourself, and they say no. 1201 00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:50,179 But that's an ethical violation. In writing, you can, that's an ethical problem. 1202 00:54:50,179 --> 00:54:52,239 And you get a violation. 1203 00:54:52,460 --> 00:54:54,119 It goes in, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1204 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:55,800 But then you guys got to deal with it. 1205 00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:56,320 Right. 1206 00:54:56,780 --> 00:55:08,400 Which, you know, which I don't think this, well, I'm not saying this board, but the Slack board, I don't think we've ever had an ethical violation that was an actual or formal violation against us. 1207 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:21,000 So every time she, I don't want to say she, every time the tax collector, the delinquent tax collector votes as a JP, she'd be committing a violation. 1208 00:55:21,019 --> 00:55:22,760 Yeah, that might be her. 1209 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:23,139 If it's her. 1210 00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:23,480 Right. 1211 00:55:23,699 --> 00:55:24,559 If it's a delinquent tax. 1212 00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:25,219 A delinquent tax. 1213 00:55:25,219 --> 00:55:26,059 Right. 1214 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,340 That's, with the delinquent, it doesn't matter. 1215 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:28,599 Right. 1216 00:55:28,780 --> 00:55:30,920 It matters if you're paying. 1217 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:31,480 Delinquent tax. 1218 00:55:32,019 --> 00:55:36,559 So that's where the, so if they didn't, if they paid, and they're just coming in for a payment, then it's a problem. 1219 00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:37,139 Right. 1220 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,260 She can vote all she wants. 1221 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,059 Well, because it doesn't affect her. 1222 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,579 They could have their taxes evaded before it goes delinquent. 1223 00:55:46,860 --> 00:55:47,579 Well, that's what I'm saying. 1224 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:48,619 Wait, you could actually. 1225 00:55:48,619 --> 00:55:49,000 That's what I'm saying. 1226 00:55:49,179 --> 00:55:52,800 I'm saying if they're not delinquent, and she can vote all she wants. 1227 00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:54,179 If they're not delinquent. 1228 00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:54,820 Right. 1229 00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:58,880 If they, let's say I paid my taxes already, but I want to file for an abatement. 1230 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,519 Which usually doesn't, it usually goes the other way. 1231 00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:04,059 They don't pay their taxes, and they want to get an abatement first. 1232 00:56:04,300 --> 00:56:10,400 But I'm just saying, let's say it's before the deadline, and I've paid my taxes, and I file for an abatement. 1233 00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:17,019 We have a hearing, even though it's past the deadline, but I've paid my taxes, and let's say it has to deal with the school tax. 1234 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:17,800 Okay. 1235 00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:19,760 Now you have to abate me. 1236 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,360 My hat, let's say, in my case. 1237 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,159 And my house was gone six months, so now they've got to abate my taxes for that. 1238 00:56:26,619 --> 00:56:29,579 If I've already paid my taxes, she can vote all she wants. 1239 00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:30,219 It doesn't matter. 1240 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,460 Okay, because it doesn't affect her. 1241 00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:31,860 Right, right. 1242 00:56:31,860 --> 00:56:35,119 Because there's no possibility for financial. 1243 00:56:35,260 --> 00:56:37,000 So it's only the people that have to abate. 1244 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:37,579 That's what I'm saying. 1245 00:56:37,659 --> 00:56:46,179 There's many other duties that the JP can perform, and if we change the way we pair, case closed. 1246 00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:48,039 On this, that's go brown. 1247 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,079 That's the way I look at it. 1248 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,719 Doug, I have a question for you. 1249 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:52,659 I haven't seen this. 1250 00:56:52,820 --> 00:56:58,840 So if you're the liaison, and something comes back to the town that we have to investigate, 1251 00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:01,900 do we have an ethics board that we have to appoint? 1252 00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:02,860 Well, that's what I was going to ask. 1253 00:57:02,860 --> 00:57:03,440 I'm going to get up. 1254 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:04,059 I'm not sure. 1255 00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:05,440 I don't think they signed. 1256 00:57:05,579 --> 00:57:06,840 I don't know how it works. 1257 00:57:06,980 --> 00:57:08,219 That's what I was going to ask. 1258 00:57:08,219 --> 00:57:14,380 So we just voted Doug as the liaison, but Deb mentioned outside. 1259 00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:16,860 So there's always the possibility now. 1260 00:57:17,099 --> 00:57:18,119 So the committee. 1261 00:57:18,380 --> 00:57:19,780 You guys all are the board. 1262 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,500 Well, what if it's the slot board? 1263 00:57:21,619 --> 00:57:21,780 Yeah. 1264 00:57:21,860 --> 00:57:22,400 That's what I'm saying. 1265 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:23,039 And it's all the way. 1266 00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:28,699 So if, no, but I'm saying the slot board as a whole committed a violation. 1267 00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:33,420 We all had a, it was a meeting on the side, and we voted to, you know. 1268 00:57:33,679 --> 00:57:34,559 Give ourselves a service. 1269 00:57:34,699 --> 00:57:37,980 Yeah, or fire someone, or whatever. 1270 00:57:38,460 --> 00:57:39,800 We don't have a meeting on the telephone. 1271 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,739 We don't let someone tell us, fire, and you don't let that move, done. 1272 00:57:44,099 --> 00:57:46,559 And someone finds out that we were in violation. 1273 00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:47,800 The whole board. 1274 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,360 Or we met at my house or something. 1275 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:49,659 Right. 1276 00:57:49,659 --> 00:57:52,380 So I like the idea of having. 1277 00:57:52,400 --> 00:58:03,920 And him as liaison, but a, maybe a three person or a four person committee that is comprised of other people, other than slot board members. 1278 00:58:04,420 --> 00:58:12,260 That way they're that, like we were talking, you know, plan board could be on, and then they would, if they had a violation, right? 1279 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:13,099 And we could be on. 1280 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,079 Are you considering having that as an appointed position? 1281 00:58:16,260 --> 00:58:17,340 I think it would be nice. 1282 00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:18,139 I don't know. 1283 00:58:18,139 --> 00:58:22,139 I just think it would be nice to have an ethics committee. 1284 00:58:22,820 --> 00:58:26,599 For the minute record, I'd love to be a part of that board if you just saw the side. 1285 00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:27,119 No, no, no. 1286 00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:32,400 So, but, so, would that committee change all the time? 1287 00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:35,880 Because what if it's a committee member? 1288 00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:37,880 I think that we could do a. 1289 00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:40,800 Well, you guys are the oversight, so that overcame it. 1290 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:46,460 The slot board would have to appoint, I mean, appoint someone for a year, like we appointed plan board members. 1291 00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:47,920 I think we'd have to find out how that works. 1292 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,699 We really could say to the plan board, every year we could say, okay, 1293 00:58:52,820 --> 00:58:55,039 we want, you know, are you on the plan board? 1294 00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:58,460 We could say, you know, you were on last year, but we don't feel you did a good job. 1295 00:58:58,460 --> 00:59:00,380 We're going to replace you. 1296 00:59:00,380 --> 00:59:10,280 And we have to, we're going to replace members, you know, we could, you know, so why not do a committee and say, let's do it, you know? 1297 00:59:10,820 --> 00:59:14,360 So you'd do it the same way as Kurt, like Kurt being ad hoc for a plan. 1298 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:15,639 Yeah, or like a term. 1299 00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:19,719 But again, we have to look into this and how it's done. 1300 00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:22,039 Well, you know, the reason, something we just brought up here. 1301 00:59:22,820 --> 00:59:31,920 My understanding is that the, okay, there's a complaint, somebody has a complaint, send it up to the commission. 1302 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:42,789 Then they get contacted with me, and I do the investigation, and then I send my findings back up to them. 1303 00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:52,650 So I'll check on it, but that's what I understand, and then they'll say, yeah, there is, yeah, there isn't, but it still might not hurt to have some other people involved. 1304 00:59:52,650 --> 00:59:53,150 Yeah. 1305 00:59:53,650 --> 00:59:58,650 I just, I just like the idea of having more of one person, but I think that's the way, they're, they're. 1306 00:59:58,650 --> 01:00:02,030 Well, if it, if it's an ethical issue for the select board, that's why I'm saying. 1307 01:00:02,030 --> 01:00:02,530 Yeah. 1308 01:00:02,530 --> 01:00:09,170 When you read the laws and all the ethics stuff and like that, most of, most of the things you're reading is the commission, the commission. 1309 01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:09,670 Yeah. 1310 01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:15,730 So it's not just the state ethics commission, it's also the municipality's ethics commission. 1311 01:00:15,730 --> 01:00:21,170 So there are, it's just like Kurt being on the planning commission, right? 1312 01:00:21,170 --> 01:00:21,750 So he's in the liaison to the select board on the planning commission. 1313 01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:22,250 Yeah. 1314 01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:22,750 Yeah. 1315 01:00:22,750 --> 01:00:23,250 Yeah. 1316 01:00:23,250 --> 01:00:23,750 Yeah. 1317 01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:23,849 Yeah. 1318 01:00:23,869 --> 01:00:24,750 Right. 1319 01:00:24,750 --> 01:00:29,590 Or John being their liaison or you're the liaison to the law enforcement. 1320 01:00:29,590 --> 01:00:30,309 And so. 1321 01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:32,159 This year was pretty easy. 1322 01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:37,730 This would be the same thing, would be Doug on the, yeah, this year we released him. 1323 01:00:37,730 --> 01:00:38,869 Dave, you had a question? 1324 01:00:38,869 --> 01:00:42,920 Were you, we used to, there used to be a position. 1325 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:48,090 Dave Salvo, I think your number was. 1326 01:00:48,090 --> 01:00:49,570 I don't know if he said it was George or. 1327 01:00:49,570 --> 01:00:55,909 Yeah, it was, no, it was, kind of like if you were going to ask a lawyer some . 1328 01:00:55,909 --> 01:00:56,150 Oh yeah. 1329 01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:56,849 Oh, he was. 1330 01:00:56,849 --> 01:00:57,150 I'm a lawyer. 1331 01:00:57,150 --> 01:01:16,960 Yeah, a while ago, didn't we make a decision that I could call the attorney, not you, not Lori, we'd make a decision, yes, call the attorney, because we didn't want everybody calling the attorney. 1332 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:22,320 Well, yeah, there was like a town, I think, what was it, a town agent, years ago, we used to have. 1333 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:23,679 Yeah, we did away with that. 1334 01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:27,280 Well, the town agent would act as the attorney or something. 1335 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:36,000 Yeah, but that person wouldn't have any kind of . 1336 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,519 You do have DLCT, too, I mean, email that. 1337 01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:43,380 Yeah, I mean, let's say we aren't talking two separate subjects here, you know, I mean, 1338 01:01:43,380 --> 01:01:54,400 I think the committee, you know, we're talking about the ethics issue that we presume or perceive that we're talking two different things. 1339 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:59,699 I truly believe that we should, I think that in, let someone can change my mind. 1340 01:01:59,699 --> 01:02:17,389 That changing the way we pay the common tax collector is the simplest, easiest way we can get rid of the way people, yeah, it's just, like I said, no one's doing anything, you know, intentionally wrong. 1341 01:02:17,389 --> 01:02:28,389 It's that perception that we can just get rid of perception, I think that's easy, it shouldn't hurt anyone's egos, because it's just a perception, no one's going. 1342 01:02:28,389 --> 01:02:29,349 That, oh, you did it. 1343 01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:29,590 Yeah. 1344 01:02:29,590 --> 01:02:29,829 Yeah. 1345 01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:29,929 Yeah. 1346 01:02:29,929 --> 01:02:30,070 Yeah. 1347 01:02:30,070 --> 01:02:30,090 Yeah. 1348 01:02:30,090 --> 01:02:30,110 Yeah. 1349 01:02:30,110 --> 01:02:30,849 Yeah. 1350 01:02:30,849 --> 01:02:30,889 Yeah. 1351 01:02:30,889 --> 01:02:31,170 Yeah. 1352 01:02:31,170 --> 01:02:31,230 Yeah. 1353 01:02:31,230 --> 01:02:31,289 Yeah. 1354 01:02:31,289 --> 01:02:31,429 Yeah. 1355 01:02:31,429 --> 01:02:31,449 Yeah. 1356 01:02:31,449 --> 01:02:31,469 Yeah. 1357 01:02:31,469 --> 01:02:31,489 Yeah. 1358 01:02:31,489 --> 01:02:32,650 Yeah. 1359 01:02:32,650 --> 01:02:32,710 Yeah. 1360 01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:38,289 Now that we've talked about it, which has been years and years, now that it's come up, let's address it. 1361 01:02:38,289 --> 01:02:39,360 Mm-hmm. 1362 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:40,480 What's the problem? 1363 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:41,760 That's what I'm looking at. 1364 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:42,320 So. 1365 01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,820 So this percentage was changed in 2005, you said? 1366 01:02:44,820 --> 01:02:45,239 Mm-hmm. 1367 01:02:45,239 --> 01:02:52,500 I bet you at that point, that same point, is when they became an elected, or an elected position. 1368 01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:53,760 It was always elected. 1369 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:54,599 Oh, was it always? 1370 01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:54,880 Yeah. 1371 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,679 I thought you said it was appointed. 1372 01:02:56,679 --> 01:02:58,320 No, the listeners were. 1373 01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:58,820 Oh. 1374 01:02:58,820 --> 01:02:59,880 Elected went to a . 1375 01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:00,360 Well, couldn't you change it? 1376 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:07,239 to where if she collected a percentage of the town's like tax bill that was out she gives a 1377 01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:13,800 bonus it's x amount of dollars i mean if it doesn't that's if she's coming let's just say 1378 01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:20,519 like she's like collecting delinquent tax money then that's always going to be perfect yeah she 1379 01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:26,519 saved like uh 80 or 90 of the taxes in town if she was able to collect that amount 1380 01:03:26,519 --> 01:03:33,559 prior to delinquency is that what you're saying yeah i mean that changes the pay so it benefits 1381 01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:38,360 her but it still gets her inside of two to get the job done so i understand what you're saying 1382 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:43,719 it makes a ton of sense like the benefit maybe should be on the other side so rather than have 1383 01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:49,159 the five percent beyond yeah not based on which what plus 1384 01:03:53,639 --> 01:03:56,440 taxes are due oh there's a list of people 1385 01:03:56,519 --> 01:04:02,440 that haven't paid i'm going to call them all yeah if you get and then if you get 90 percent 1386 01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:09,719 or less complete then you can't do it you get i get probably 250 000 within three days of the 1387 01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:16,119 tax due date my mortgage is overnight mail packages i don't think you could go by that list 1388 01:04:22,119 --> 01:04:23,639 the hourly rate is the simplest 1389 01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:33,239 so if you don't know you should see it however long we say if she if she made x amount of dollars 1390 01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:37,719 it worked out to be fifteen dollars an hour i shouldn't see it up make it so it's a decent pay 1391 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:45,880 i mean we we are paying and i'm going to mention it again we're paying numerous way too much money 1392 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:56,460 we want people which brings me to so you all voted against having the position for the uh 1393 01:04:58,219 --> 01:05:09,559 assessor clerk assistant assessor clerk yes okay which i thought was going to eventually 1394 01:05:09,559 --> 01:05:20,489 eliminate the need for the numerous something called no license we the assessor clerk 1395 01:05:21,449 --> 01:05:28,489 does not have the qualifications to be an assessor or lister right but they would be able to 1396 01:05:29,369 --> 01:05:30,090 take courses 1397 01:05:30,969 --> 01:05:38,489 and i think it was to relieve some of the i think uh from the reappraisal and stuff and 1398 01:05:39,539 --> 01:05:46,099 i think i did mention though and i admitted this it was a mistake i was believed select were 1399 01:05:46,099 --> 01:05:53,860 remembered which to have the lister change from elected to appointed that was i made that motion 1400 01:05:53,860 --> 01:06:00,099 i admitted it numerous times that i feel it was a mistake now the reason why i did it is because 1401 01:06:00,099 --> 01:06:05,500 Because there was a new person that came in, we didn't know the qualifications, and they asked for a raise. 1402 01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:11,900 How do you give a raise to someone that's going to be there a year and you don't even know if they can do the job? 1403 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,480 So I was very wary. 1404 01:06:13,940 --> 01:06:15,940 I didn't act as a businessman then. 1405 01:06:16,119 --> 01:06:23,599 It was probably, out of the 10 years I've been a select board member, it was one of those times where I probably should have thought a little bit more. 1406 01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:28,420 Because, and I wasn't understanding, it was the educational part of it. 1407 01:06:28,420 --> 01:06:33,599 So if they're elected, they get the education free, is that how I... 1408 01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:38,340 That was kind of a brain area. 1409 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,000 It is, it's a bunch of bull. 1410 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,800 So if they're appointed, they don't get the education. 1411 01:06:43,980 --> 01:06:44,840 We've got to pay for it. 1412 01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:50,960 So now no one wants the appointment because they don't want to go and do all this. 1413 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,260 The elected, the state takes care of you. 1414 01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:58,059 So I have no problem changing that back. 1415 01:06:58,059 --> 01:07:00,599 Put it on a warrant, bring it back to an elected position. 1416 01:07:01,949 --> 01:07:07,789 I personally don't think we're going to fine anybody for the pay we give. 1417 01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:10,230 Not many people are going to want that job anyways. 1418 01:07:10,809 --> 01:07:15,829 But it's the problem where it is, we had a tough time fining even elected positions. 1419 01:07:16,889 --> 01:07:24,300 But at the time, I was looking and saying, it doesn't make sense to give people raises that you don't know what they're doing. 1420 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,239 And that person quit. 1421 01:07:26,619 --> 01:07:27,849 So what was that? 1422 01:07:27,949 --> 01:07:28,550 We appointed her. 1423 01:07:29,429 --> 01:07:29,829 And they quit. 1424 01:07:30,530 --> 01:07:38,230 So I feel that because of the training part of it, it hindered what was happening. 1425 01:07:39,050 --> 01:07:45,760 If we want to put that on, that would help our NIMRT bill, if we have a list. 1426 01:07:45,820 --> 01:07:47,519 Because you would pay the listers. 1427 01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:48,059 Yeah. 1428 01:07:49,019 --> 01:07:53,739 So now we're paying $100 an hour, paying her $30 an hour. 1429 01:07:53,739 --> 01:07:58,619 You could still have the NIMRT assessor here. 1430 01:07:58,639 --> 01:08:00,119 Right, but the hours come down here. 1431 01:08:00,460 --> 01:08:04,039 Yeah, that the local listers do stuff. 1432 01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:05,039 A lot more, right. 1433 01:08:05,380 --> 01:08:07,360 The more they do, the less NIMRT they do. 1434 01:08:07,699 --> 01:08:18,090 We do have a district advisor that we haven't seen very much of in the last five, six years. 1435 01:08:19,899 --> 01:08:29,840 So, I mean, if you want to, as a board, put the lister back on his elected position, I don't think that they can run this year, correct? 1436 01:08:30,020 --> 01:08:30,260 Right. 1437 01:08:30,260 --> 01:08:31,760 You would have to put a warrant out. 1438 01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:39,460 Next year, if the people vote on changing it back to elected, it would be on the ballot next year. 1439 01:08:39,579 --> 01:08:40,659 People would run for it. 1440 01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,180 If they want to write in someone, I don't know, maybe they could. 1441 01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:46,220 For 2026. 1442 01:08:46,380 --> 01:08:47,119 Yeah, yeah. 1443 01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:48,680 So, I mean, I don't care. 1444 01:08:48,779 --> 01:08:50,319 It doesn't matter either way to me. 1445 01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:55,100 If we've tried it this way, not one person has come up and said, I'll take that job. 1446 01:08:55,539 --> 01:08:58,899 So we want to do it as elected, and they want to come in and see if they can do the job. 1447 01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:00,020 That's up to you guys. 1448 01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:01,260 It's the problem. 1449 01:09:01,260 --> 01:09:08,060 The problem is if they can't do the job, they're going to need to get trained, and I guess the training's easier if you're elected. 1450 01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,500 Well, Lori's thinking. 1451 01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:21,579 Well, you could have a transition year where you start with elected people who come in and don't really know, and still have memory. 1452 01:09:21,979 --> 01:09:22,460 Right. 1453 01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:27,659 While they're getting time under their belt, while they're learning, and while they're beginning to take classes. 1454 01:09:27,659 --> 01:09:32,060 And the thing is, like, what we used to have was a three-year. 1455 01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:42,159 It was a three-year transition, so it was constantly revolving, so the plan would be somebody would at least have the three years to pass on knowledge to the others, and you would just constantly flow with that. 1456 01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:43,279 This is for the future. 1457 01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:45,939 It's not going to solve the problem tomorrow or anything. 1458 01:09:45,939 --> 01:09:46,140 No. 1459 01:09:46,619 --> 01:09:52,380 But in the future, I guarantee, if they work with us, they can say no. 1460 01:09:52,859 --> 01:09:53,640 That's another thing. 1461 01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:54,829 Yeah. 1462 01:09:54,829 --> 01:09:58,430 If Nimerick works with us, I guarantee the price is going to go up, not down. 1463 01:09:59,319 --> 01:09:59,500 Right? 1464 01:10:00,220 --> 01:10:01,939 We actually sent out. 1465 01:10:02,539 --> 01:10:14,010 What was it, $76,000 request for proposals, and we got one that was Nimerick. 1466 01:10:14,529 --> 01:10:18,510 Yeah, it wasn't like we went with Nimerick because we went, ooh, it's Nimerick. 1467 01:10:18,729 --> 01:10:20,010 That was the one that we fought. 1468 01:10:20,109 --> 01:10:20,750 They're the only one. 1469 01:10:22,789 --> 01:10:32,390 So you're talking about the position that we currently have now, the assessors, the assistant assessor. 1470 01:10:32,890 --> 01:10:38,409 You're talking about moving that to an elected position so that that individual could be trained? 1471 01:10:38,409 --> 01:10:39,850 No, it's called a Lister. 1472 01:10:39,949 --> 01:10:42,430 So you're talking about adding another person. 1473 01:10:42,430 --> 01:10:45,109 We have it now, just nobody has taken the appointment. 1474 01:10:45,109 --> 01:10:46,869 If you want to do that, we can appoint you. 1475 01:10:46,949 --> 01:10:47,250 For what? 1476 01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:47,710 For Lister? 1477 01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:48,529 Yeah. 1478 01:10:48,710 --> 01:10:49,270 No, I'm kidding. 1479 01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:50,819 No, I don't. 1480 01:10:50,819 --> 01:10:52,659 I don't have the qualifications to be a Lister. 1481 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,380 Yeah, we can appoint you, but you're training them. 1482 01:10:55,380 --> 01:10:56,060 You're training them to do the training. 1483 01:10:56,659 --> 01:10:56,800 Yeah. 1484 01:10:57,199 --> 01:11:00,199 So an appointed person has to come with the training. 1485 01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:00,680 Yes. 1486 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,579 And that's where the appointment becomes a problem. 1487 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:02,960 Yeah. 1488 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,899 It's a considerable amount of training, too. 1489 01:11:05,220 --> 01:11:05,760 Sure it is. 1490 01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,100 Yeah, I think you've got to have your appraisal. 1491 01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:18,739 The other thing to think about is the way the state is training or changing the appraisal 1492 01:11:18,739 --> 01:11:27,979 and how they're talking about districts and combining districts and having maybe if you 1493 01:11:27,979 --> 01:11:32,939 have a bigger district, then you might get some other firms to come in and bid on it. 1494 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:33,819 Because they know nobody wants to come to Stanford or wants to go through the course. 1495 01:11:33,819 --> 01:11:34,819 More often. 1496 01:11:34,819 --> 01:11:35,819 Right. 1497 01:11:35,819 --> 01:11:36,819 More often? 1498 01:11:36,819 --> 01:11:37,819 More school tests. 1499 01:11:37,819 --> 01:11:38,819 More school tests. 1500 01:11:38,819 --> 01:11:39,819 Your taxes are going to go off. 1501 01:11:39,819 --> 01:11:40,819 It's just going to keep going. 1502 01:11:40,819 --> 01:11:41,819 They have no idea what they're creating. 1503 01:11:41,819 --> 01:11:42,819 Have we ever tried to pursue a person with an appraiser's license to do it for us full 1504 01:11:42,819 --> 01:11:43,819 time? 1505 01:11:43,819 --> 01:11:44,819 I don't think the pay was ever there. 1506 01:11:44,819 --> 01:11:45,819 No, I'm just saying. 1507 01:11:45,819 --> 01:11:46,819 It was a small group of people. 1508 01:11:46,819 --> 01:11:47,819 But if you had a bigger group of people, you know, you could have done it. 1509 01:11:47,819 --> 01:11:48,819 It was a small group of people. 1510 01:11:48,819 --> 01:11:49,819 But if you had a bigger group of people, you know, you could have done it. 1511 01:11:49,819 --> 01:11:50,819 You could have done it. 1512 01:11:50,819 --> 01:11:51,819 You could have done it. 1513 01:11:51,819 --> 01:11:52,819 If you had a bigger group of people, you could have done it. 1514 01:11:52,819 --> 01:11:54,720 person with a 1515 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,039 appraiser's license to 1516 01:11:56,039 --> 01:11:58,520 do it for us? Full time? 1517 01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:00,619 I don't think the pay 1518 01:12:00,619 --> 01:12:02,640 was ever there. No, I'm just 1519 01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:03,939 saying, you're paying 1520 01:12:03,939 --> 01:12:06,659 how much money? No, no, this 1521 01:12:06,659 --> 01:12:08,560 is before NIMRT came in. 1522 01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,699 Which, people don't understand 1523 01:12:10,699 --> 01:12:12,560 is the reassessment 1524 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,100 was not our idea. 1525 01:12:14,420 --> 01:12:16,180 No. Okay? So, 1526 01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,439 when that came up, 1527 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:20,680 it was the same time period 1528 01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,659 that the listener was not here anymore. 1529 01:12:22,979 --> 01:12:24,640 Right. So this added 1530 01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,340 job came in 1531 01:12:28,340 --> 01:12:30,180 that even that listener that 1532 01:12:30,180 --> 01:12:31,279 we had wondered about. 1533 01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:35,010 I'm just saying, if 1534 01:12:35,010 --> 01:12:37,550 we put something in a paper, even in Berkshire 1535 01:12:37,550 --> 01:12:39,850 County or something, for a licensed 1536 01:12:39,850 --> 01:12:41,510 appraiser looking to do 1537 01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:43,680 you know, 1538 01:12:44,060 --> 01:12:45,720 whatever our listeners does here. 1539 01:12:46,380 --> 01:12:47,680 Well, isn't that in the information? 1540 01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:49,880 Well, I mean, I used to have somebody that actually 1541 01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:51,840 knew the town bylaws prior 1542 01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,640 to actually committing the assessment. 1543 01:12:54,119 --> 01:12:55,479 Because I can tell you right now, 1544 01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:56,939 that wasn't the case. 1545 01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,239 The problem is now, and that's just now. 1546 01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:00,720 Until there's a reassessment, 1547 01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:03,279 town-wide reassessment, there's not enough 1548 01:13:03,279 --> 01:13:05,100 to do for a full-time. Yeah, I'm just 1549 01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:07,340 saying, we have some people here 1550 01:13:07,340 --> 01:13:09,479 in town I know that are appraisers. 1551 01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:11,460 I know one of them, right? Two doors 1552 01:13:11,460 --> 01:13:13,060 down. Yeah. I mean, I would, 1553 01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,479 I don't care if you guys want to do it 1554 01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,380 one way or the other, but I personally think we 1555 01:13:17,380 --> 01:13:18,880 should go back to the 1556 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,640 elected position. I think you, 1557 01:13:21,729 --> 01:13:23,470 I think people want to be elected 1558 01:13:23,470 --> 01:13:25,630 and I think this training, 1559 01:13:25,630 --> 01:13:27,529 part of it's going to help. It's not going 1560 01:13:27,529 --> 01:13:29,810 to be an overnight success by any means. 1561 01:13:30,510 --> 01:13:31,470 We sent out those 1562 01:13:31,470 --> 01:13:33,770 76 appraisers because we had to use 1563 01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:35,729 the state-certified list. 1564 01:13:35,850 --> 01:13:37,270 The guys you're talking about 1565 01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:39,350 are not on the list. We're limited. 1566 01:13:39,569 --> 01:13:41,470 But if we had our own personal person, right? 1567 01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:43,569 Can we do that? Well, they can do the list 1568 01:13:43,569 --> 01:13:44,909 for part of that. No, elected. 1569 01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:47,350 Have a special one. 1570 01:13:47,869 --> 01:13:48,909 Right, so, I mean, 1571 01:13:49,109 --> 01:13:51,850 I was at the foot of the walk 1572 01:13:51,850 --> 01:13:53,529 and I don't want it, but 1573 01:13:53,529 --> 01:13:54,489 I didn't refer to that. 1574 01:13:55,630 --> 01:14:01,329 I mean, if it was the 1575 01:14:01,329 --> 01:14:02,770 state, let's fix it. 1576 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:05,539 You know, 1577 01:14:05,779 --> 01:14:08,159 like I said, 1578 01:14:08,319 --> 01:14:10,760 I'm taking a rap for a mistake, 1579 01:14:10,899 --> 01:14:12,119 although everybody on the phone 1580 01:14:12,119 --> 01:14:14,380 thought it was a mistake. 1581 01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:16,680 No, I think I was on that 1582 01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:17,180 more than that. 1583 01:14:17,300 --> 01:14:20,140 Oh, I thought it was a mistake. 1584 01:14:20,260 --> 01:14:21,039 Oh, it did work. 1585 01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,020 I'm not saying it was a mistake. 1586 01:14:24,020 --> 01:14:25,180 I thought it would work. 1587 01:14:25,659 --> 01:14:27,340 So, it was the Listers. 1588 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,239 But what we eliminated 1589 01:14:31,239 --> 01:14:32,079 is the Listers. 1590 01:14:32,739 --> 01:14:35,340 So, we still haven't had a Lister 1591 01:14:35,340 --> 01:14:36,300 that's wanted this. 1592 01:14:36,420 --> 01:14:37,680 It was the right thing back then. 1593 01:14:38,199 --> 01:14:42,020 Can we move on to the next topic? 1594 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:43,060 Second. 1595 01:14:43,399 --> 01:14:43,680 Second? 1596 01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,220 Is this important? 1597 01:14:45,619 --> 01:14:46,000 Aye. 1598 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,479 Alright, so we appointed Doug. 1599 01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:51,579 I just want to bring up 1600 01:14:51,579 --> 01:14:53,680 the board, 1601 01:14:54,819 --> 01:14:55,640 municipal office, 1602 01:14:55,659 --> 01:14:57,000 and they advise 1603 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,880 everybody that's 1604 01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:00,659 on the board, 1605 01:15:01,300 --> 01:15:04,119 advisory committees, auditors, 1606 01:15:04,779 --> 01:15:06,100 cemetery commissioners, 1607 01:15:06,460 --> 01:15:08,060 planning commission, town clerk, 1608 01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:10,420 treasurer, mayors, department head, 1609 01:15:10,779 --> 01:15:11,819 just about everybody. 1610 01:15:12,060 --> 01:15:12,899 Take the training. 1611 01:15:13,420 --> 01:15:15,180 It's only 45 minutes online. 1612 01:15:16,079 --> 01:15:18,279 You can bring your knitting or whatever, 1613 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,020 eat your lunch while you're watching it, 1614 01:15:20,039 --> 01:15:21,340 and then there's a test at the end. 1615 01:15:22,079 --> 01:15:23,539 It's actually kind of interesting. 1616 01:15:23,539 --> 01:15:24,260 It is. 1617 01:15:24,819 --> 01:15:25,899 And then I flunk the test. 1618 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:26,920 I was going to say, 1619 01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:28,279 do you have the answers to the test? 1620 01:15:28,279 --> 01:15:31,460 Well, no, they won't let you go on 1621 01:15:31,460 --> 01:15:33,680 until you make sure you get the right answers on it. 1622 01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:34,880 Did I get it wrong? 1623 01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:35,159 Right. 1624 01:15:35,159 --> 01:15:36,260 So I changed that one on. 1625 01:15:37,229 --> 01:15:38,270 No, I can't go on. 1626 01:15:38,270 --> 01:15:39,270 What did I miss? 1627 01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:40,710 Isn't that an awesome task? 1628 01:15:40,710 --> 01:15:41,670 What did I miss there? 1629 01:15:42,270 --> 01:15:44,069 I guess I must have been wrong. 1630 01:15:44,069 --> 01:15:44,250 Wrong. 1631 01:15:44,250 --> 01:15:44,949 Try it again. 1632 01:15:45,630 --> 01:15:46,350 Try it again. 1633 01:15:46,350 --> 01:15:47,369 Good job. 1634 01:15:47,369 --> 01:15:47,770 Yes. 1635 01:15:49,109 --> 01:15:53,270 So, it's an easy thing to listen to, 1636 01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:54,949 and it wasn't that boring either. 1637 01:15:54,949 --> 01:15:55,289 I mean. 1638 01:15:55,289 --> 01:15:55,829 No, no, that's pretty good. 1639 01:15:55,829 --> 01:15:58,630 And actually, we probably should request 1640 01:15:58,630 --> 01:16:01,170 that anybody that takes that, there's 1641 01:16:01,170 --> 01:16:03,449 like a little thing that says you've completed it, 1642 01:16:03,449 --> 01:16:06,569 that you bring a copy and we can keep a file of who did it. 1643 01:16:06,569 --> 01:16:12,859 Because anybody that is already on a board or something 1644 01:16:12,859 --> 01:16:15,060 has until, I think, September. 1645 01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:18,420 But anybody that's newly comes on to boards, 1646 01:16:18,420 --> 01:16:21,460 like if somebody gets elected in the next election, 1647 01:16:21,460 --> 01:16:24,100 I'd predict offhand, but you don't have as much time 1648 01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:25,140 to do it. 1649 01:16:25,140 --> 01:16:28,220 So, just say some foundations. 1650 01:16:28,220 --> 01:16:32,500 And maybe that's, if you're the ethics liaison, 1651 01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:34,880 maybe you can keep track of all this. 1652 01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,100 Who's supposed to take it? 1653 01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:38,039 Do they give? 1654 01:16:38,039 --> 01:16:43,079 And the test is not, I think it just says you pass. 1655 01:16:43,079 --> 01:16:45,640 It doesn't say you've got a mark or a percent 1656 01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,899 that you won't pass bail. 1657 01:16:47,899 --> 01:16:50,159 How many times do you have to take it? 1658 01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:52,140 How many times do you have to take it? 1659 01:16:52,140 --> 01:16:52,779 Pass. 1660 01:16:52,779 --> 01:16:54,739 Pass the bail 88 times. 1661 01:16:54,739 --> 01:16:55,239 Yeah. 1662 01:16:55,399 --> 01:16:57,140 That's all it says. 1663 01:16:57,140 --> 01:16:59,119 This is an online thing. 1664 01:16:59,119 --> 01:17:00,920 Pass 88. 1665 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:05,000 Online ethics commission. 1666 01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:05,920 Is this ethical? 1667 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:06,420 Here, Doug. 1668 01:17:06,420 --> 01:17:07,159 Here's $25. 1669 01:17:07,159 --> 01:17:09,760 Take the pass for me. 1670 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:13,180 Vermont Ethics Commission. 1671 01:17:13,180 --> 01:17:16,000 Little flag. 1672 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,680 OK, moving on. 1673 01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,260 Can we review the first draft of the select board report 1674 01:17:21,260 --> 01:17:23,920 and the first draft of the warrant at the end 1675 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,100 and just go on to correspondence? 1676 01:17:25,399 --> 01:17:29,340 So sign memorandum of, can we move that? 1677 01:17:29,340 --> 01:17:32,539 OK, to the end. 1678 01:17:32,539 --> 01:17:33,140 All right. 1679 01:17:33,140 --> 01:17:38,729 Sign memorandum of agreement for a road erosion inventory grant. 1680 01:17:38,729 --> 01:17:43,050 So the Bradenton County Regional Commission has submitted a memorandum 1681 01:17:43,050 --> 01:17:48,489 of agreement for them to work with Dave and go through the inventory 1682 01:17:48,489 --> 01:17:50,850 and the public determinations. 1683 01:17:50,850 --> 01:17:54,829 Is that every five years? 1684 01:17:54,829 --> 01:17:56,130 Five years. 1685 01:17:56,130 --> 01:17:58,130 Right. 1686 01:17:58,130 --> 01:18:04,869 They would do it for $4040, which is the amount of the grant that we obtained. 1687 01:18:04,869 --> 01:18:09,310 So that would take care of paying them in the 20% match, 1688 01:18:09,310 --> 01:18:11,890 which is our responsibility of paying full pay. 1689 01:18:11,890 --> 01:18:12,670 Sign it. 1690 01:18:12,670 --> 01:18:13,170 Motion. 1691 01:18:13,170 --> 01:18:13,670 Mm-hm. 1692 01:18:13,670 --> 01:18:14,569 All right. 1693 01:18:14,569 --> 01:18:15,069 Sign it. 1694 01:18:15,069 --> 01:18:17,909 You have to . 1695 01:18:17,909 --> 01:18:19,109 I'll read the . 1696 01:18:19,109 --> 01:18:21,590 I don't mind about it. 1697 01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:24,130 Because they wanted us to do it. 1698 01:18:24,130 --> 01:18:24,630 Yeah. 1699 01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:25,130 Yeah. 1700 01:18:25,130 --> 01:18:25,630 Yeah. 1701 01:18:25,630 --> 01:18:26,130 Yeah. 1702 01:18:26,130 --> 01:18:26,630 Yeah. 1703 01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:28,970 Oh, I just . 1704 01:18:28,970 --> 01:18:32,869 So are the matches for all these grants, 1705 01:18:32,869 --> 01:18:36,250 are they in our budget somewhere in your grants? 1706 01:18:36,250 --> 01:18:37,310 Or we're just? 1707 01:18:37,310 --> 01:18:39,430 They would just come out of Iowa . 1708 01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:41,010 If we get them, fine. 1709 01:18:41,010 --> 01:18:41,670 If we don't? 1710 01:18:41,670 --> 01:18:43,460 Yeah. 1711 01:18:43,460 --> 01:18:45,479 If we get them, if we don't. 1712 01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,680 This one, I'm guessing, we'll probably get. 1713 01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,659 It's just the way it's. 1714 01:18:49,659 --> 01:18:53,199 We were awarded it. 1715 01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:54,920 The state wants it done so they give you 1716 01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:56,460 a line to have something to do with it. 1717 01:18:56,460 --> 01:18:58,560 Because probably that wasn't the only one that said it. 1718 01:18:58,560 --> 01:18:59,680 You're out of your mind. 1719 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:00,180 Right. 1720 01:19:00,180 --> 01:19:05,720 This is $4,000 worth of work, and I'm supposed to just think about it. 1721 01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:10,979 All of a sudden, just drop everything else I'm doing and do your study. 1722 01:19:10,979 --> 01:19:13,380 And then you know what, I can write down whatever I want. 1723 01:19:13,380 --> 01:19:15,640 Just think about it. 1724 01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:16,140 Right. 1725 01:19:16,140 --> 01:19:18,239 I said, wouldn't it be better if you people did it? 1726 01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:24,390 And then, you know, exactly, you kind of like to take it past it and say try again, right? 1727 01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:24,890 Right. 1728 01:19:24,890 --> 01:19:25,390 Try again. 1729 01:19:25,390 --> 01:19:26,350 It's worse than that. 1730 01:19:26,350 --> 01:19:28,569 I could just write a hundred and say, hey, y'all. 1731 01:19:28,569 --> 01:19:29,069 Yes. 1732 01:19:29,069 --> 01:19:29,659 All right. 1733 01:19:29,659 --> 01:19:31,159 OK. 1734 01:19:31,159 --> 01:19:34,039 Anything else under correspondence, Laurie? 1735 01:19:34,039 --> 01:19:39,060 I do have your 2025 certificate of highway mileage. 1736 01:19:39,060 --> 01:19:46,210 When I took a look at it, all they had was previous mileage and any changes 1737 01:19:46,210 --> 01:19:48,810 that we've made during the year, we have to say. 1738 01:19:48,810 --> 01:19:56,319 So I made a note that the legal trail has increased by 0.3 mileage. 1739 01:19:56,319 --> 01:20:00,220 And the class 4 number is decreasing by 0.3 1740 01:20:00,220 --> 01:20:02,520 with the new totals over here. 1741 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,819 I changed their wording. 1742 01:20:04,819 --> 01:20:10,020 They had put in 0.03 miles, but it's 0.3. 1743 01:20:10,020 --> 01:20:23,430 So if this looks OK to you guys, there's lines right here for you guys to sign. 1744 01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:24,329 $5,000. 1745 01:20:24,329 --> 01:20:24,829 $5,000. 1746 01:20:24,829 --> 01:20:27,399 $480. 1747 01:20:27,399 --> 01:20:28,199 0.03. 1748 01:20:28,199 --> 01:20:31,079 0.03. 1749 01:20:31,079 --> 01:20:33,079 Maybe I'm walking. 1750 01:20:33,079 --> 01:20:33,579 We got it. 1751 01:20:33,579 --> 01:20:34,079 0.03. 1752 01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:34,579 0.03. 1753 01:20:34,579 --> 01:20:35,079 0.03. 1754 01:20:35,079 --> 01:20:35,579 0.03. 1755 01:20:35,579 --> 01:20:36,079 0.03. 1756 01:20:36,079 --> 01:20:36,579 0.03. 1757 01:20:36,579 --> 01:20:37,079 0.03. 1758 01:20:37,079 --> 01:20:37,579 0.03. 1759 01:20:37,579 --> 01:20:38,079 0.03. 1760 01:20:38,079 --> 01:20:38,579 0.03. 1761 01:20:38,579 --> 01:20:39,079 0.03. 1762 01:20:39,079 --> 01:20:39,180 0.03. 1763 01:20:39,180 --> 01:20:48,229 0.03. 1764 01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:50,630 We didn't want that needs to be right at 0.03. 1765 01:20:50,630 --> 01:20:55,170 0.03. 1766 01:20:55,170 --> 01:20:59,220 0.03. 1767 01:20:59,220 --> 01:21:02,520 I just wanted to see if it is 0.03 miles. 1768 01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:03,020 Yeah. 1769 01:21:03,020 --> 01:21:03,920 How many feet that was. 1770 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:05,119 1,500 feet. 1771 01:21:05,119 --> 01:21:07,920 But I know it's not 150 because I've been out there. 1772 01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,619 0.03 is definitely 1,500. 1773 01:21:09,619 --> 01:21:13,520 1,600 if it was only 1.03 that would be one. 1774 01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:14,520 That wouldn't be very much out there. 1775 01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:21,640 i was wondering how many feet it was if i walked that far that's what that one 150 how much 158. 1776 01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:46,630 old business any old business new business peter i don't care i just want one thing one thing 1777 01:21:46,630 --> 01:21:52,869 um monday night the planning commission is having another meeting to finish up the bylaws 1778 01:21:53,670 --> 01:22:02,229 um for the new sign or for the sign the sign itch is being redone so if you guys want to come over 1779 01:22:03,029 --> 01:22:10,689 to the meeting and uh if you have any input you'd like to try to install would be then and then 1780 01:22:10,689 --> 01:22:15,920 you guys are going to end up with it here anyway so are you planning a public meeting 1781 01:22:17,039 --> 01:22:22,399 planning commission public meeting yeah that's the idea we're going to we have to do a public 1782 01:22:22,399 --> 01:22:27,920 meeting too and i um we got to warrant that yeah we're not going to be able to put it on the 1783 01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:33,920 board for this year of course but um i don't think we need to answer it i don't think so 1784 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:38,319 because you guys are going to do a public meeting you do a public meeting we do a public meeting 1785 01:22:39,239 --> 01:22:46,390 and then that's it and then if if there's so many people that want to have a town meeting then they 1786 01:22:47,109 --> 01:22:52,550 can get a petition signed right right go through that stuff i think what it is is the planning 1787 01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:58,869 commission wanted to get as much input as possible so that we don't have to ever visit the issue 1788 01:22:58,869 --> 01:23:08,789 again so if we we eventually will sign it uh and pass it if we didn't we just send it back to you 1789 01:23:08,789 --> 01:23:15,989 guys like say we did like uh one thing right we don't have to say you know say i want all of it 1790 01:23:15,989 --> 01:23:16,789 done just that yeah 1791 01:23:17,670 --> 01:23:23,670 we were going to act on uh this last meeting but we were missing some key people you know 1792 01:23:23,670 --> 01:23:28,149 input and stuff like that dave didn't show up so we canceled the meeting well i was 1793 01:23:36,069 --> 01:23:38,069 yeah he was sitting on the parking lot drinking coffee 1794 01:23:42,710 --> 01:23:45,109 throwing his wing off 1795 01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:50,149 okay 1796 01:24:01,670 --> 01:24:09,989 okay uh new business we're good all right we review first draft a warrant or 1797 01:24:09,989 --> 01:24:17,350 select board report either one so i just got it so i think wait can i wait the warrant 1798 01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:22,949 or the first draft of the select board report yeah i'd like your input on it because it's 1799 01:24:22,949 --> 01:24:27,189 really really rough but that's what i'm saying i didn't get a chance to do another job 1800 01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:32,039 when does lori need this 1801 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,479 i mean i'd rather take my home and read it oh 1802 01:24:41,039 --> 01:24:45,380 that's all i'm saying dave can you read your part on highway 1803 01:24:46,579 --> 01:24:49,859 yeah you need to add taller installation to the 1804 01:24:50,020 --> 01:25:00,390 clean water okay i'm going to meet you monday why for some reason here 1805 01:25:00,390 --> 01:25:08,359 we could work on your part monday um well thank you for writing it out oh this is really bad it's 1806 01:25:08,359 --> 01:25:16,470 just quick notes and you're too hard on yourself oh this is terrible terrible so 1807 01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:18,470 so 1808 01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:26,180 please feel free to edit anything add anything take it out because it's bad 1809 01:25:26,180 --> 01:25:31,220 but it's some ideas it's something to start with 1810 01:25:31,220 --> 01:25:35,300 well i would like to i hate to bring it up again because we haven't talked about it 1811 01:25:35,300 --> 01:25:40,100 a long time but i would like to look into any type of communication that you want for 1812 01:25:42,100 --> 01:25:48,180 for that text though so what even if it's as simple as what i said about what i'm doing i'm gonna keep 1813 01:25:48,180 --> 01:25:54,659 when we were talking in the our last meeting that um did we tell everybody that there's a 1814 01:25:54,659 --> 01:26:00,899 you can pay by credit card you know at least something that would help out i'm not saying 1815 01:26:00,899 --> 01:26:06,340 anything's going to solve all the problems would be perfect but if someone knows and i think 1816 01:26:07,140 --> 01:26:14,020 my bank county said uh you know a lot of people eat a fine outer you know credit card 1817 01:26:14,020 --> 01:26:20,739 uh service fee over eight percent of your taxes hit you know because you you can now they get 1818 01:26:20,739 --> 01:26:25,300 there you know so i i just think we should look into that and put that in there well that was 1819 01:26:25,300 --> 01:26:29,699 something that we could put in the select board report well that's what i'm thinking maybe there 1820 01:26:29,699 --> 01:26:35,800 and maybe in the tax bill insert that you can pay your taxes by credit card 1821 01:26:37,039 --> 01:26:42,039 um you probably get a hell of a lot more pain if you have the option to go on 1822 01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:44,760 pay 1823 01:26:45,239 --> 01:26:51,800 extra i don't you know put something in here about the state increasing all of the 1824 01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:55,720 dog fees i'm going to have a lot of people who want to be new right 1825 01:26:59,359 --> 01:27:03,520 the one thing that i want the people at the town meeting to understand too is is 1826 01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:10,899 we were going to increase more than we increased the state increased by two and you guys had talked 1827 01:27:10,899 --> 01:27:14,979 about ten and dropped it and dropped it down to five we were going to increase in ten 1828 01:27:14,979 --> 01:27:21,750 and we didn't the state came in and increased at five so we didn't increase our ten dollars so we 1829 01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:27,590 lost money as a town but we we felt like it was too much of an increase for the dog 1830 01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:38,869 i'd pay 15. it's for you you got tons of money if lou takes the dog that needs to go to the vet 1831 01:27:39,779 --> 01:27:44,819 yeah and we don't know who the owner is you don't leave the dog they are suffering so this 1832 01:27:45,300 --> 01:27:51,380 money that we're taking in it will be for the dog going to the vets make sure the dog's got 1833 01:27:51,380 --> 01:27:56,659 rabies shots or i don't know how that would determine or maybe it'll give them a shot right 1834 01:27:56,659 --> 01:28:01,699 there or i don't know they do right well if you notice explain why we're creating a dog fund 1835 01:28:04,739 --> 01:28:11,699 people have to understand when people don't register their dog for at what was it 9 and 11 1836 01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:15,479 that cost and we think 1837 01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:22,760 up a dog and no one does anything that costs us a ton of money yeah i mean just seriously i'll pay 1838 01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:30,760 the damn 11 dollars and register your dog it's go get your rabies shot but 11 come on you know 1839 01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:35,800 and it cost the town and that's why i think someone said we actually put a list of people's 1840 01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:39,239 names and they're like oh you shouldn't do that i'm like oh wait a minute we do that with the 1841 01:28:39,239 --> 01:28:44,920 tax bankers you know you're costing the pound money stop it you know it makes sense public 1842 01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:50,279 and i know there might be someone that was out of town there's mistakes but what do you have to say 1843 01:28:52,039 --> 01:28:56,279 yeah that's just not right and you're right the state that's another thing the state 1844 01:28:56,279 --> 01:29:02,199 says we have to do this we've always started mike's dog phone mike's dog phone put it in 1845 01:29:02,199 --> 01:29:09,510 there as long as anybody comes in and can't afford it there you go there you go i'll pay 11 for you 1846 01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:15,350 jim i promise i'll give you 20 bucks times four you're gonna pay for his babies i mean for you right 1847 01:29:16,069 --> 01:29:44,670 I don't know what you have to bring. 1848 01:29:47,090 --> 01:29:54,090 Okay, so first draft of warrant, can that wait, Laurie? 1849 01:29:54,090 --> 01:29:56,640 It's going to have to. 1850 01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:04,640 I don't have library, I don't have fire department, I don't have cemetery numbers, so we have to hold it in our warrant. 1851 01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,640 So next, we're going to have to meet next week? Again? 1852 01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:13,050 Do we want to have a warrant with the listener? Bring that back? 1853 01:30:13,050 --> 01:30:15,050 I don't know. 1854 01:30:15,050 --> 01:30:17,050 Not against us. 1855 01:30:17,050 --> 01:30:18,050 So we should put that on. 1856 01:30:18,050 --> 01:30:23,050 And then we should put something in the select board report about why. 1857 01:30:23,050 --> 01:30:25,050 Mr. Vice Chair. 1858 01:30:37,210 --> 01:30:39,210 No, we're not trying to. 1859 01:30:39,210 --> 01:30:42,210 We're going to do this to read positions, stack them up. 1860 01:30:42,210 --> 01:30:44,210 We have to. 1861 01:30:44,210 --> 01:30:45,210 We have to. 1862 01:30:45,210 --> 01:30:49,720 And that won't be on this year anyway, so it's up to one. 1863 01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:50,720 Next year. 1864 01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:52,720 Nobody runs or nothing happens. 1865 01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:58,720 But then we can still, if it's an elected position, we can still appoint. 1866 01:30:58,720 --> 01:30:59,720 All right. 1867 01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:07,819 So if we appoint a lister into an elected position, are they covered for? 1868 01:31:07,819 --> 01:31:08,819 Education. 1869 01:31:08,819 --> 01:31:09,819 Education. 1870 01:31:09,819 --> 01:31:10,819 Okay. 1871 01:31:10,819 --> 01:31:19,819 So if nobody runs and you appoint somebody, then they're covered. 1872 01:31:19,819 --> 01:31:20,819 Into an elected position. 1873 01:31:20,819 --> 01:31:21,819 Into an elected position. 1874 01:31:21,819 --> 01:31:22,819 Into an elected position. 1875 01:31:22,819 --> 01:31:23,819 Ah. 1876 01:31:23,819 --> 01:31:24,819 Okay. 1877 01:31:24,819 --> 01:31:25,819 So they would only work until the next turn. 1878 01:31:25,819 --> 01:31:26,819 Right. 1879 01:31:26,819 --> 01:31:27,819 And then they have to run and they're out. 1880 01:31:27,819 --> 01:31:28,819 Oh, yeah. 1881 01:31:28,819 --> 01:31:29,819 Football. 1882 01:31:29,819 --> 01:31:30,850 Football. 1883 01:31:30,850 --> 01:31:32,039 Football. 1884 01:31:32,039 --> 01:31:33,039 Football. 1885 01:31:33,039 --> 01:31:34,039 Football. 1886 01:31:34,039 --> 01:31:35,039 Football. 1887 01:31:35,039 --> 01:31:36,039 Football. 1888 01:31:36,039 --> 01:31:37,039 Football. 1889 01:31:37,039 --> 01:31:38,039 Football. 1890 01:31:38,039 --> 01:31:39,039 Football. 1891 01:31:39,039 --> 01:31:40,039 Football. 1892 01:31:40,039 --> 01:31:41,039 It is really. 1893 01:31:41,039 --> 01:31:42,039 It is. 1894 01:31:42,039 --> 01:31:45,000 Okay. 1895 01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,000 That could go in the select board report. 1896 01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:47,000 Because that will be a warrant article. 1897 01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:48,000 Mm-hmm. 1898 01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,090 Once you do get them, if you want to write them off e-mail so you can read them before 1899 01:31:51,090 --> 01:31:52,090 the next meeting. 1900 01:31:52,090 --> 01:31:53,090 Mm-hmm. 1901 01:31:53,090 --> 01:32:08,609 So do we want to meet next week at earlier than 6, 5? 1902 01:32:08,850 --> 01:32:09,590 Next week. 1903 01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:10,229 5 is better. 1904 01:32:10,289 --> 01:32:10,789 We got it. 1905 01:32:11,529 --> 01:32:12,850 5 is better than 4. 1906 01:32:12,989 --> 01:32:13,909 4.30 is probably. 1907 01:32:14,409 --> 01:32:18,010 Is next week our deadline, right, for the select board to get this in? 1908 01:32:21,869 --> 01:32:22,470 Yeah, we got it. 1909 01:32:22,590 --> 01:32:23,670 Who says it's deadline? 1910 01:32:23,930 --> 01:32:24,130 You. 1911 01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:24,869 Yeah. 1912 01:32:25,109 --> 01:32:26,729 We have a long time. 1913 01:32:26,850 --> 01:32:27,569 Who are you sure? 1914 01:32:27,930 --> 01:32:30,529 Hey, she was pretty quick at the planning commission the other day. 1915 01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:32,310 Real quick. 1916 01:32:32,569 --> 01:32:33,909 Like, boom, no one can. 1917 01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:35,529 And I gave you the wrong deadline. 1918 01:32:36,189 --> 01:32:37,649 Right at the top of my head. 1919 01:32:38,899 --> 01:32:39,520 You're allowed. 1920 01:32:39,619 --> 01:32:40,119 You're allowed. 1921 01:32:40,220 --> 01:32:40,600 I see. 1922 01:32:40,939 --> 01:32:41,560 Next Thursday. 1923 01:32:41,659 --> 01:32:43,359 Stop the petition in the office. 1924 01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:44,079 What time? 1925 01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:45,100 Next Thursday. 1926 01:32:45,699 --> 01:32:46,579 The follow-up Thursday. 1927 01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:47,859 4.30 or 5. 1928 01:32:48,140 --> 01:32:48,479 Whatever. 1929 01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:49,180 Better for me. 1930 01:32:49,899 --> 01:32:50,659 4.30? 1931 01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:51,220 Fair. 1932 01:32:51,500 --> 01:32:52,100 I will not. 1933 01:32:52,100 --> 01:32:53,840 4.30 or 1.30 to finish. 1934 01:32:53,979 --> 01:32:55,119 We're on work session. 1935 01:32:55,659 --> 01:32:56,039 Uh-oh. 1936 01:32:56,279 --> 01:32:57,640 Oh, is that full? 1937 01:32:58,039 --> 01:32:58,520 Yeah. 1938 01:32:58,920 --> 01:32:59,239 All that. 1939 01:32:59,340 --> 01:32:59,800 All that. 1940 01:33:00,380 --> 01:33:01,300 1.23? 1941 01:33:02,079 --> 01:33:03,640 We can't do a work session. 1942 01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:08,560 We've got to do a regular select board meeting because we're going to have to make a motion 1943 01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:09,640 to approve these, right? 1944 01:33:10,810 --> 01:33:14,710 We'll do a regular meeting and have work session in the beginning and then approve work. 1945 01:33:15,029 --> 01:33:15,250 Yeah. 1946 01:33:15,529 --> 01:33:15,789 Work. 1947 01:33:16,029 --> 01:33:16,310 Yes. 1948 01:33:16,630 --> 01:33:17,069 Yep. 1949 01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:18,470 So 4.30? 1950 01:33:18,829 --> 01:33:19,390 4.30? 1951 01:33:20,060 --> 01:33:20,859 4.30? 1952 01:33:20,859 --> 01:33:21,119 4.30 for? 1953 01:33:21,279 --> 01:33:21,520 Yes. 1954 01:33:21,819 --> 01:33:22,800 4.30. 1955 01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:30,819 Executive session. 1956 01:33:31,829 --> 01:33:37,189 For personnel and for the probable civil litigation. 1957 01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:38,649 I think a motion to go in. 1958 01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:40,079 Second. 1959 01:33:40,079 --> 01:33:41,979 Executive session for those two reasons. 1960 01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:43,359 So this.