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Shouldn't we have a meeting right here with the rest of the board of directors?

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We should be recording that right now.

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We have a meeting to order before, but I'd like to do the Pledge of Allegiance.

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The Pledge of Allegiance is to be provided by the United States of America

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to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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We have a meeting to order before we are recording this group.

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Now we're in the open part of the meeting.

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If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda,

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you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address.

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You will notice that all our meetings are recorded,

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and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes.

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Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and 15 minutes for topic.

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Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others.

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Select board members present are...

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Point at all.

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Nancy...

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Trishica...

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John Bray...

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John Dunn...

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Will there be any adding of items on tonight's agenda, or removing of items?

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I have new correspondence as the agenda was created.

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Yeah, I have an update on the auditors' course service.

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I just got a letter from them.

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An update on the reappraisal for Act 68 blisters.

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What's going to be happening, might be happening in the state.

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Will there be any adjustments to the agenda such as...

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Changing the order of items.

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Jeb is recording tonight's meeting for his YouTube video site.

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We've got a lot to cover tonight, so let's hear the visitors.

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Visitor?

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Yep.

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Do you have my insurance application so I can allow it to go to the classical road on County Road?

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Yes, I have it.

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Yes.

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Yep.

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I put in your box the draft agreement that you used in the past.

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We've allowed this before.

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There was no problem with it before.

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Dave, according to this, you'll sign it and everything.

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It's going to be recorded in the land records.

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Every year, you'll have to update your certificate of insurance.

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Dave will inspect it every year.

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If there's a problem, then we will address it and either withdraw it or make suggestions.

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Was there any other comments on this?

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Nope.

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Commercial item.

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How do I do it?

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Commercial item.

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Yes.

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A million.

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Yep.

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With all the other ones.

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Okay.

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Yep.

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Do you want to see it?

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No, I haven't.

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No objections?

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Nope.

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Nope.

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Make a motion to allow Brian Jallet to plow from the bottom of, well, where's he plowing

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from?

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Where the 30-pound.

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Somebody else has already plowed.

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Less than a quarter mile.

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Yeah.

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You plowed through the driveway.

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From where the other person is.

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Stop.

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They decided not to.

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You want permission to be over here.

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I think.

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Yeah.

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I think permission to plow the whole thing.

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So the beginning of the class four.

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Yeah.

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If you want to .

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Rich, can we ask you to do that?

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Sure.

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I'll do the whole row.

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To your gate.

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And we passed it.

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Sometimes we pass the gate.

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We have the gate.

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Better walk to them.

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With you on the property.

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And then there's the camp.

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But we changed it to another.

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loop so yeah um can you leave someone on the right certainly i'm a snowmobiler myself so

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i don't want to scrape it down and make it yeah

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thank you so i'll work out the agreement

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happy months uh reading and approval records and orders from december 5th motion second all in

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favor yep road conditions dave better than the states doing hey that much it came over last night

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nine o'clock trash your trailers they just made it by and then they shut it down right after well

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they keep using that color code to plow the state highways and that's what happened yeah

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they didn't follow searsburg at all which was making better because there was

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to stay in the road

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that's not not again that's why i was getting nervous on the tractor trailers there's other

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tractor trailers coming over the crescent nobody's following them flashing the lights slow down

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they've made it treacherous enough for themselves they've had their own trucks off the road right

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um dave i wanted to thank you for applying for the um about the loss control follow-up for the

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safety measures that the lct recommended for the garage um and you got the eyewash station

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the eyewash lorry submitted 453 dollars and we got reimbursed 134. however we were penalized because

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we hadn't made the effort to correct at least 50 percent of the items they listed so they are only

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reimbursing us 40 percent so what i'm going to suggest in your budget put a little extra money

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so we can do a couple other of the items uh that they requested and a couple of them aren't

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bad at all yeah i think we did a good number of them yeah i mean workplace posters we can

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get an update this year is it 50 percent of the recommendations or 50 percent

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should be 50 of the costs we incurred in buying the items so if we bought 500 dollars worth of

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items the penalty was because we didn't hit 50 of the items mentioned of all of the safety features

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that they called us out on when they did the inspection on the highway garage so if there

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was 10 we had to do five five

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they don't say tell us they don't say we didn't say that in which five is it the big ones

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yeah well check over the report again and figure out something for the budget whatever we fix

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i think the worst thing was what the the heat

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they don't like our wood stove or something they don't like solid no fuel burn they don't

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like

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it doesn't mean an issue they're just they're an insurance company we'll deal with it some

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we'll deal with it they'd rather do something else yeah so we can pick something out figure

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it out in the budget how often do they do that once a year i think i've had it done three times

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it depends on they forget about us yes

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kobe didn't help and like you said they forgot about us we're a long way from montpelier and

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we're quiet

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anything else on road conditions recycling we had to do a repair to the

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want to do something yeah at some point i'd like to move the shed but i have to look at the shed

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and it's in the bottom it's got some the back of it would have to come probably off and put back

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on i don't know if it's really worth it i was able to push it in here and we're working at 6 o'clock

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enough that i get my loader past that for some removal so at some point

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oh we also talked about some kind of heat uh you know pro electric heater or something yeah

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it's a nice it would be nice to do that but i mean there's going to be costs to that

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we're going to have to have electric running that pole so there's going to be a service put on the

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pole and how often one of them there on saturday are they inside are they constantly outside

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i mean they're

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inside using that that's in the main building yeah you know but i'm saying when they're

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that other than that they're outside really you kind of gotta be out right because i purchased

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one of those outdoor heaters the propane ones yeah if you stand underneath that i don't care

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how cold it is off you're warm and i got mine for it was on sale for 170 bucks and i got cool

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you know i just had a crystal party we put it outside it was amazing you know maybe something

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like that

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by the actual unit up there i mean it comes up high it shoots down so it's coming up you know

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ten people stand around it all we need is two people

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to be good but it's enough to keep keep it up and keep warm a lot you know

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and that said it's perfect but it's better than what they have now yeah i mean if that's something

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you guys want to do well i just don't get it i think that you know it's better than what they have

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you know yeah i have nothing else i'm recycling

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Anything else on highway?

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No.

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Review of the guy's highway ordinance.

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Laurie sent us the latest version.

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Just a couple housekeeping things like renumbering.

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But everything that was in there last time, if you look at all the last time, we did.

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Yeah.

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I learned to pass it last time.

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Yeah, we did.

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Found some spelling mistakes.

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There's a couple of stuff that I know of.

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No, the computer spelled it wrong.

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Oh, the computer.

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It was a computer problem.

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Yeah.

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So I think we found everything else.

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Yeah, I have not made the housekeeping things we talked about today,

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because I know you guys already have this draft here.

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I hope there will be more after tonight.

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Yep.

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If you want to see a final title at your next meeting and approve it,

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you know, I think we'll go with that.

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So any housekeeping you need to do, you can do.

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Yep.

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I like that you made a motion to approve it.

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Yep.

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Approve it with corrections.

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Start the process.

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If it's approved tonight, then Laurie has to clear the paper.

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And it's got 60 days if someone wants to look it over and make suggestions

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or come to the board.

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There's a way that they do this.

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60 days.

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So it becomes effective.

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60 days from the date that you approve it.

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But I will have to publish it in the paper and wait.

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And as long as there's no objections, that'll be just.

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Do you have a second?

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And I'll make a motion.

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I'll second.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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I did get a response from the staff attorney at VLCT.

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If there was a conflict of interest.

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If a delinquent tax collector holds more than one office like Justice of the Peace.

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And there is no state law that prohibits this.

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Because I'm sure you would have found it before now.

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But then she goes on to say it depends.

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It's everyone's favorite lawyer response.

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It depends how the delinquent tax collector is paid.

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It depends on the delinquent tax collector.

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Or the JP if they feel there is a conflict of interest.

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So right now, in two weeks, there's going to be a whole new Vermont code of ethics.

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That we're going to have to follow and do a conflict of interest policy.

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So that was the response from VLCT.

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And then there was another question about the assessor clerk having input with the assessor.

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No.

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The assessor clerk does not have any input.

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Just driving around, putting in the values that he sets.

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So that is our response.

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And that's it.

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Yes.

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So that's definitely not indicative of the questions and the issues that I rose.

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I mean it's a small piece of it.

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But you're kind of sidestepping the main issue.

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So first of all, the VLCT, what you should have definitely called the ethics committee.

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The VLCT is like.

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They're not going to give you that.

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You should have 1,000% contact with the ethics committee.

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The thing is, is it's not a matter of the positions being held together.

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We know that.

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We've discussed this.

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It's on film.

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The issue is, is that she 1,000% had input with the assessor.

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Because it happened to me.

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She was on my property with some of you people giving her opinion.

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And I didn't pay my taxes.

261
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That's a conflict of interest.

262
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That's a conflict of interest because it directly affects her pay.

263
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Period.

264
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Okay.

265
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So why wasn't that brought up to the VLCT?

266
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Like this issue isn't just one of those things.

267
00:18:04,319 --> 00:18:08,019
Well, you know, the state says that there's no issue holding these seats together.

268
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That's not the issue.

269
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The issue is that she's had a say in people with the assessor, with the board of abatement,

270
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and in the board of civil authority.

271
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Like that is a conflict of interest.

272
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You cannot.

273
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You cannot hold the position.

274
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And if you read the new ethics stuff that comes out, I mean, it is a dummy proof list.

275
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If you did this, you move to this.

276
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If this happens, this.

277
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If this, conflict of interest.

278
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Like a child could go through that.

279
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If you stand to make any financial gain from any position in the town that you are paid for,

280
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conflict of interest.

281
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Period.

282
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Period.

283
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And the issue is she refused to recuse herself from these meetings.

284
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That's the other problem.

285
00:18:54,660 --> 00:18:56,400
So I don't care what the VLCT says.

286
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No lawyer there.

287
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They don't care.

288
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Okay.

289
00:18:59,380 --> 00:19:04,200
They want, oh, you know, the issue is we don't have people to hold these positions.

290
00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:06,660
We've been down this road in this rabbit hole.

291
00:19:07,140 --> 00:19:09,220
The issue is we have somebody.

292
00:19:09,599 --> 00:19:14,940
Nobody wants anybody to leave the position that is the tax collector.

293
00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,039
Okay.

294
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The delinquent tax collector.

295
00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:22,539
That individual, though, should not have a say moving forward.

296
00:19:23,039 --> 00:19:28,559
Listen, I don't care if you think that she didn't give any opinion because she did.

297
00:19:28,779 --> 00:19:33,799
It's an outright lie to say she did because she was on my property.

298
00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:35,079
Okay.

299
00:19:35,619 --> 00:19:37,539
So then you lied.

300
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,000
Then you just lied.

301
00:19:39,380 --> 00:19:42,859
Saying that she didn't have any input because she did.

302
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,500
She was there having an argument with Kurt Amari.

303
00:19:46,220 --> 00:19:46,740
Right.

304
00:19:46,740 --> 00:19:47,920
Am I correct?

305
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:49,930
It's yes or no.

306
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I don't remember that.

307
00:19:51,710 --> 00:19:51,910
I was.

308
00:19:52,130 --> 00:19:52,970
If you were there.

309
00:19:53,049 --> 00:19:53,369
How can you.

310
00:19:53,490 --> 00:19:56,569
I remember it was it's specific to my property.

311
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:58,349
You weren't there for any other reason.

312
00:19:58,490 --> 00:19:58,630
Right.

313
00:19:59,150 --> 00:19:59,470
Okay.

314
00:19:59,609 --> 00:20:01,509
So that's the issue that I'm having.

315
00:20:01,670 --> 00:20:04,450
And now you're trying to sidestep and say that things that happen.

316
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:05,289
Things happened.

317
00:20:05,730 --> 00:20:06,170
Okay.

318
00:20:06,190 --> 00:20:07,170
So everybody can hear it.

319
00:20:07,450 --> 00:20:08,470
Nothing didn't happen.

320
00:20:09,009 --> 00:20:18,029
She went above and beyond and is benefit and benefited from the decision that she made on my property because I had paid my taxes.

321
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:23,369
And she stood to collect 10% or 5% of the delinquent taxes for that property.

322
00:20:23,490 --> 00:20:23,990
Okay.

323
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Conflict of interest.

324
00:20:25,009 --> 00:20:25,869
Would you say so?

325
00:20:26,769 --> 00:20:28,349
And we made that.

326
00:20:29,109 --> 00:20:35,460
You just didn't say that we made that decision as a board to what, to allow it to happen.

327
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,500
So then you're a knowledge or not.

328
00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:38,819
Abate them or lower them.

329
00:20:39,059 --> 00:20:39,359
Okay.

330
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:40,559
But she had a say in it.

331
00:20:41,329 --> 00:20:42,410
Why was she there?

332
00:20:42,890 --> 00:20:46,910
Well, I'm sorry, but at that time, so I have to get my attorney involved together.

333
00:20:46,910 --> 00:20:49,970
We'll come with another lawsuit because I got no problem with it.

334
00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:50,730
Okay.

335
00:20:50,730 --> 00:20:51,869
I don't want to go that route.

336
00:20:51,869 --> 00:20:53,690
I just want what's right for the town people.

337
00:20:54,170 --> 00:20:54,529
Okay.

338
00:20:54,529 --> 00:20:58,970
So she, she, she financially benefited from her decision for me.

339
00:20:59,190 --> 00:21:00,170
It's all on film.

340
00:21:00,269 --> 00:21:01,130
It's all on tape.

341
00:21:01,170 --> 00:21:02,089
It's all in minutes.

342
00:21:02,269 --> 00:21:04,009
And my attorney will chew that up.

343
00:21:05,059 --> 00:21:14,259
So if we want to go down this road and that's fine, but I think that it would behoove you to do what's right for the people of the town and not just, oh, we'll call the BLCT.

344
00:21:14,539 --> 00:21:23,740
I've been pretty patient and just bringing forth the basic stuff, but to sit there and outright lie and say that she didn't have a say in the assessment is kind of aggravating.

345
00:21:24,099 --> 00:21:33,170
I apologize for raising my tone if I just did, but it's, it's one of those things where this isn't a baby issue, this is a massive issue.

346
00:21:33,369 --> 00:21:34,750
How, who else did it bother?

347
00:21:35,170 --> 00:21:38,170
Because I've talked to a handful of people that it's affected.

348
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:39,940
Okay.

349
00:21:41,170 --> 00:21:46,430
For whatever reason, people don't want to step up and have this conversation, but I'm good.

350
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:50,390
It affects my dollar in my money, in my house, in my family.

351
00:21:50,910 --> 00:21:51,650
So guess what?

352
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:53,730
Again, it's not personal.

353
00:21:54,029 --> 00:21:55,049
Like we discussed.

354
00:21:55,089 --> 00:21:55,329
It's.

355
00:21:55,390 --> 00:21:57,930
Everything to do with what's right and what's wrong.

356
00:21:58,289 --> 00:22:04,950
So I can assure you when the new ethics committee stuff comes out in the first, and I'm sure you've read it or some of you have read it.

357
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:13,200
At least you're going to see that if I make that phone call to the ethics committee again, that they're going to be like, yeah, that's an issue.

358
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,440
So if it's going to be an issue, not then, why isn't there an issue now?

359
00:22:20,849 --> 00:22:27,500
So I want to know, um, I've already voiced my opinion last meeting about how I feel.

360
00:22:28,779 --> 00:22:30,140
The only thing I disagree with.

361
00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:31,519
Is or not disagree.

362
00:22:31,539 --> 00:22:36,640
I think they, the wording of now, I think Nancy's a liar, by the way.

363
00:22:36,740 --> 00:22:38,480
I think that I don't think she's a liar.

364
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:39,799
Let me finish.

365
00:22:39,799 --> 00:22:40,880
Well, I'm talking, okay.

366
00:22:41,420 --> 00:22:42,140
Let me finish.

367
00:22:42,140 --> 00:22:42,799
Well, I'm talking.

368
00:22:43,339 --> 00:22:44,599
Don't talk to me like a child.

369
00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:45,460
Don't don't.

370
00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:46,339
I didn't cut you off.

371
00:22:46,339 --> 00:22:47,039
I let you talk.

372
00:22:47,059 --> 00:22:52,880
I'm just saying, I didn't say she was when I'm talking, don't say you misrepresented it.

373
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,640
I said she lied, but I'm making an opinion.

374
00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,299
Now I can talk to me, but I would like to finish before you cut me.

375
00:23:00,299 --> 00:23:00,720
Off.

376
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,220
Okay.

377
00:23:01,420 --> 00:23:01,920
Done.

378
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,180
Can I have that move back?

379
00:23:03,180 --> 00:23:03,900
I gave you that.

380
00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:04,099
Sure.

381
00:23:04,099 --> 00:23:04,599
Okay.

382
00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:07,259
And I'm not talking to you any louder than you thought.

383
00:23:08,509 --> 00:23:09,009
Okay.

384
00:23:09,509 --> 00:23:16,410
So what I'm asking is, is when we say, when we say she didn't have a say, or when Nancy

385
00:23:16,410 --> 00:23:22,190
says she didn't have a say, and then there's an opinion that she had an opinion, I think

386
00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:30,410
there's a definition that she's saying, well, when she talks to the assessor to her opinion,

387
00:23:30,690 --> 00:23:31,069
doesn't.

388
00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:35,960
It doesn't matter that say part of it, he doesn't put that into account no more than

389
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,700
your opinion or my opinion.

390
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:39,700
It's just an opinion.

391
00:23:39,700 --> 00:23:44,779
And every person, no matter if they hold a position or not, can go to the meetings, can

392
00:23:44,779 --> 00:23:45,779
go even a hearing.

393
00:23:45,779 --> 00:23:51,910
They can sit in the hearing and voice their opinions, no matter what that, that first

394
00:23:51,910 --> 00:23:52,910
part of it.

395
00:23:52,910 --> 00:23:55,910
I don't really agree with, I don't think Nancy's a liar.

396
00:23:55,910 --> 00:24:01,009
I just put, I just, I don't really think that any time that Nancy makes an opinion or a

397
00:24:01,009 --> 00:24:05,250
statement, she, her, uh, intention is to lie ever.

398
00:24:05,250 --> 00:24:06,250
Okay.

399
00:24:06,250 --> 00:24:13,960
I mean, I have all the integrity in the world for her that, that being said, the conflict

400
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,839
that ends up interest part of it is I do agree with you.

401
00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:21,440
I did last week or two weeks ago, whatever it was, I do agree with you.

402
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:29,539
I think that the conflict of interest of the vote part of it is a conflict of interest.

403
00:24:29,539 --> 00:24:32,720
If I'm voting on something, I shouldn't recuse myself.

404
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:41,640
That being said, I don't know when this is, I admit, I don't know what the board of select

405
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,440
boards authority is on an elected position.

406
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:51,279
She ran for an office and was not only did she win the justice and peace, but she's a

407
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:52,279
top vote getter.

408
00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:54,279
And now what do we do?

409
00:24:54,279 --> 00:25:01,819
Where is our authority to tell her you must step down other than asking that she should

410
00:25:01,819 --> 00:25:02,819
vote?

411
00:25:02,819 --> 00:25:08,720
If I'm asking that she steps down, if I ask, if we want to set, okay, would you step down,

412
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,059
which would be the easiest way to avoid all these problems?

413
00:25:13,059 --> 00:25:15,059
And she said, sure, I'll do it.

414
00:25:15,059 --> 00:25:16,059
That would just everything.

415
00:25:16,059 --> 00:25:21,670
But then down the road, another person, like you said, it's not personal.

416
00:25:21,670 --> 00:25:23,670
Another person comes in and does the same thing.

417
00:25:23,670 --> 00:25:25,269
What do we do?

418
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:30,309
What does the select boards authority do for an elected position?

419
00:25:30,309 --> 00:25:31,309
And I don't know the answer.

420
00:25:31,309 --> 00:25:32,309
I don't know if you know the answer.

421
00:25:32,309 --> 00:25:33,309
I don't know if you know the answer.

422
00:25:33,309 --> 00:25:33,349
Okay.

423
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:35,069
I don't know the answer.

424
00:25:35,069 --> 00:25:40,069
Where both her positions are elected, both, they're not appointed.

425
00:25:40,069 --> 00:25:45,069
It's not, it's not the same as a planet board, but you're on the planet board, you're just

426
00:25:45,069 --> 00:25:46,069
as the piece.

427
00:25:46,069 --> 00:25:52,289
So I, I make a motion that we release you of your duties on the planet board, right?

428
00:25:52,289 --> 00:25:53,289
You're done.

429
00:25:53,289 --> 00:25:54,289
We kick you out.

430
00:25:54,289 --> 00:25:55,289
We got the authority to do that.

431
00:25:55,289 --> 00:25:59,289
But as justice and peace, we don't, and I don't believe we do.

432
00:25:59,289 --> 00:26:04,269
And I think that that's something we, if we don't have the power, I don't know what we

433
00:26:04,269 --> 00:26:05,269
can do.

434
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:11,069
If we do have the power, then I would like to follow through on it and say, okay, well,

435
00:26:11,069 --> 00:26:18,069
if there's, and I do believe that ethics can be with hands down, say there's a conflict

436
00:26:18,069 --> 00:26:20,069
of interest because I do agree.

437
00:26:20,069 --> 00:26:21,069
And I like both you.

438
00:26:21,069 --> 00:26:22,069
I like you.

439
00:26:22,069 --> 00:26:23,069
I like Sam.

440
00:26:23,069 --> 00:26:24,069
It's not about that.

441
00:26:24,069 --> 00:26:31,289
No, I just believe that anytime you're making money from your vote, it's a conflict of interest.

442
00:26:31,289 --> 00:26:32,289
I do believe that wholeheartedly.

443
00:26:32,289 --> 00:26:33,289
I don't think it's just a vote though.

444
00:26:33,289 --> 00:26:34,289
I don't think it's just a vote.

445
00:26:34,289 --> 00:26:40,289
I think it's, you shouldn't even have a say because you can be influential in the community

446
00:26:40,289 --> 00:26:41,289
at any level.

447
00:26:41,289 --> 00:26:45,410
And sadly is very, now I'm sorry for using her name, but I only did cause you did.

448
00:26:45,410 --> 00:26:49,470
So she's extremely, she's extremely influential in the community.

449
00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:50,809
A lot of people listen to her.

450
00:26:50,809 --> 00:26:52,369
A lot of people take what she says.

451
00:26:52,369 --> 00:26:53,369
She's been here long enough.

452
00:26:53,369 --> 00:26:54,369
I think she's earned that.

453
00:26:54,369 --> 00:26:55,369
Okay.

454
00:26:55,369 --> 00:27:00,710
Nobody's saying that she isn't being right with whatever she comes up with for a topic,

455
00:27:00,710 --> 00:27:04,289
but she 1000% sat there and put in.

456
00:27:04,289 --> 00:27:05,289
In my assess.

457
00:27:05,289 --> 00:27:06,289
Well, the assessor did.

458
00:27:06,289 --> 00:27:10,289
So when you said she doesn't, she didn't have a say with the assessor.

459
00:27:10,289 --> 00:27:11,289
You don't believe that?

460
00:27:11,289 --> 00:27:18,289
Well, she wrote that my property had upgrades on it, driveway, septic, and well, she said

461
00:27:18,289 --> 00:27:19,289
that.

462
00:27:19,289 --> 00:27:22,809
And what was in my report from the assessor, that exact thing.

463
00:27:22,809 --> 00:27:24,829
So yes, she did do that.

464
00:27:24,829 --> 00:27:28,289
And again, I don't speak for anybody else in the time.

465
00:27:28,289 --> 00:27:29,289
Okay.

466
00:27:29,289 --> 00:27:31,289
I speak for what happened to me.

467
00:27:31,289 --> 00:27:33,410
And so all these things.

468
00:27:33,410 --> 00:27:34,470
So she did do that.

469
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:35,529
So she did have a say.

470
00:27:35,529 --> 00:27:40,049
She did have an influence because she, her exact words were put into my assessment that

471
00:27:40,049 --> 00:27:45,769
he specifically said that you, that guy said in return, returned wet and rebutted a little

472
00:27:45,769 --> 00:27:48,410
bit by saying, Hey, yeah, he's got a driveway.

473
00:27:48,410 --> 00:27:49,410
So why?

474
00:27:49,410 --> 00:27:51,509
I mean, there's no structure here and no, there's no septic there.

475
00:27:51,509 --> 00:27:52,509
That's fine.

476
00:27:52,509 --> 00:27:54,410
But bottom line is she had to say she's influential.

477
00:27:54,410 --> 00:27:59,410
Anybody in that position should not even have a say, should recuse themselves from the conversation.

478
00:27:59,410 --> 00:28:00,410
Period.

479
00:28:00,410 --> 00:28:01,410
Okay.

480
00:28:01,410 --> 00:28:02,410
It's not just a vote.

481
00:28:02,410 --> 00:28:03,410
It's a vote.

482
00:28:03,410 --> 00:28:06,569
Because again, you may be more influential than Doug.

483
00:28:06,569 --> 00:28:11,529
Doug may be more influential than, you know, anybody, you know what I mean?

484
00:28:11,529 --> 00:28:16,470
I don't know, but we know some people have more clout in the town than others.

485
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:18,690
And so when they speak, people listen.

486
00:28:18,690 --> 00:28:27,829
So you know, and when you come in, so if that's true, I'm not debating you on one, one issue,

487
00:28:27,829 --> 00:28:30,960
you know, or one time that it happened.

488
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,960
If that's true.

489
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:32,960
Okay.

490
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:41,200
So the justice of the peace is the part that makes her on all the committees.

491
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:47,519
The justice of peace puts her on the board of civil, puts her on all the boards, right?

492
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:53,119
If she wasn't a justice of peace and she was the clerk assessor and they're working together

493
00:28:53,119 --> 00:29:01,359
that day and she says, just her and him says, peace properties got this, this and this on

494
00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:02,359
it.

495
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:03,359
Still has an opinion.

496
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:04,359
It's a vote.

497
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:05,359
But she doesn't have a vote anymore.

498
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:08,819
That's why I say it's the vote is what matters.

499
00:29:08,819 --> 00:29:15,519
The, the influence on him, she can call them on the phone and tell him, I mean that part

500
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:18,680
of it is you're not going to stop that.

501
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:24,099
I could call, I mean, you look at people on Facebook and go, Hey, you know, Pete's properties,

502
00:29:24,099 --> 00:29:26,099
this it's out there.

503
00:29:26,099 --> 00:29:31,359
And who, depending on who says it becomes gospel, I get what you're saying, but I'm

504
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:32,359
saying vote.

505
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:34,440
the justice and appease part of this

506
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,420
equation is the big issue.

507
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,539
I think we just contact the state. Is that correct?

508
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:40,460
Yeah, I think we contact the state and let

509
00:29:40,460 --> 00:29:42,339
them know that there's been a conflict of interest

510
00:29:42,339 --> 00:29:43,400
in the town. We're

511
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,180
voted in position.

512
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,579
Okay. Financially

513
00:29:48,579 --> 00:29:50,500
benefited from a decision that

514
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:52,460
she was a part of and she should be removed

515
00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:54,400
as justice and appease. Okay. It's

516
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,559
pretty simple. And then the process is

517
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:58,000
that the select board

518
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,640
has to vote on if there was a violation

519
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,359
if they feel like there was a violation. I

520
00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:04,480
clearly think there was a violation in the

521
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,259
fact that she is a JP

522
00:30:06,259 --> 00:30:08,400
and has say so.

523
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:10,220
That's clearly, like you said,

524
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:12,519
this part here is, you know,

525
00:30:12,660 --> 00:30:14,359
I don't think there's

526
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:16,500
really anything there. But you need

527
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:18,400
to vote on it. It was there.

528
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:20,420
Yes. Then a letter needs to go to the ethics

529
00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:22,700
commission and the state.

530
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:24,500
And then they

531
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:27,660
go back to it. Unfortunately, we did

532
00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:29,759
not know it back then when

533
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:31,460
Sally...

534
00:30:31,460 --> 00:30:33,180
When they took offices,

535
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:35,500
had these two offices for more than

536
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,579
10, 12 years. We've never

537
00:30:37,579 --> 00:30:39,500
had this problem. It's never

538
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:41,480
come to any of our minds that there was

539
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,140
a conflict.

540
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:45,569
Going forward,

541
00:30:45,809 --> 00:30:47,630
we have to abide by the code of ethics.

542
00:30:47,910 --> 00:30:49,750
So that's what we... We know we've got to

543
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:51,710
do that. So we'll follow up

544
00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:52,789
on it then. And

545
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:55,410
Pete, you have to do what you have to do.

546
00:30:55,410 --> 00:30:57,650
So what you're saying

547
00:30:57,650 --> 00:30:59,630
is that you don't have to vote

548
00:30:59,630 --> 00:31:01,670
on whether or not you're going to send this to the state.

549
00:31:01,690 --> 00:31:03,630
Because you didn't know what

550
00:31:03,630 --> 00:31:05,650
happened in the past. But it's like

551
00:31:05,650 --> 00:31:07,630
knowing that somebody committed a crime

552
00:31:07,630 --> 00:31:09,710
just because you didn't know at the time

553
00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:11,710
but you know now doesn't relieve your duty

554
00:31:11,710 --> 00:31:13,569
to report it. Right?

555
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:15,390
Were we required to report it then?

556
00:31:15,490 --> 00:31:17,450
I don't know that. I think you're

557
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:19,549
wholeheartedly should be reporting it. I mean,

558
00:31:19,589 --> 00:31:20,589
you're an elected official.

559
00:31:20,809 --> 00:31:22,450
I think they have to take a vote on it.

560
00:31:23,049 --> 00:31:25,690
Well, that's... My question is not...

561
00:31:26,329 --> 00:31:27,670
I guess what you just said, Nancy,

562
00:31:27,829 --> 00:31:29,609
is were we required back then?

563
00:31:29,890 --> 00:31:30,609
You know,

564
00:31:31,690 --> 00:31:33,849
when you said you brought it up, that was the same year

565
00:31:33,849 --> 00:31:35,910
of this process, right?

566
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:37,869
Same year. It wasn't

567
00:31:37,869 --> 00:31:39,150
10 years ago. That's what I'm saying.

568
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:41,829
So what Nancy talked about was 10 years ago.

569
00:31:41,829 --> 00:31:44,150
I've come in front of boards in the past

570
00:31:44,150 --> 00:31:45,509
for time clips.

571
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:48,089
This is from... I've probably done it

572
00:31:48,089 --> 00:31:49,809
three times. Well, I remember

573
00:31:49,809 --> 00:31:51,410
you doing it with your home this year.

574
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:53,950
And I've done it in the past, too.

575
00:31:54,670 --> 00:31:56,049
But it wasn't 10 years

576
00:31:56,049 --> 00:31:56,970
ago by any means.

577
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,799
Might have been. Actually,

578
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,859
yeah, I'll have to pull my record.

579
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,700
I don't remember it, but that's okay.

580
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,019
I've always done it.

581
00:32:07,299 --> 00:32:08,299
Well, no, I'm just saying

582
00:32:08,299 --> 00:32:10,099
I don't remember 10 years ago that there was

583
00:32:10,099 --> 00:32:11,500
any athlete to say one that would

584
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:13,599
those two positions at all.

585
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,180
It might have been that person, but I don't remember

586
00:32:16,180 --> 00:32:17,000
the two positions.

587
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,680
It was definitely a conflict, yeah.

588
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,059
But now, is what

589
00:32:22,059 --> 00:32:22,799
Pete's saying, is

590
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:26,390
now that it has been brought up

591
00:32:26,390 --> 00:32:28,769
to this level,

592
00:32:29,779 --> 00:32:31,240
we have to look at it and say,

593
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,200
is it or is it

594
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,900
not a

595
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,819
conflict of interest to have these

596
00:32:38,819 --> 00:32:41,480
two positions? Only if

597
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,279
the delinquent

598
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,079
tax collector gets paid

599
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,549
the way she's paid now.

600
00:32:48,109 --> 00:32:49,809
Yes, that is correct. So if you go and just

601
00:32:49,809 --> 00:32:51,769
change her pay, it doesn't eliminate

602
00:32:51,769 --> 00:32:53,970
the fact that it's still going to be

603
00:32:53,970 --> 00:32:54,789
a conflict of interest.

604
00:32:55,630 --> 00:32:57,430
I mean, that's what you're saying right there.

605
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:58,609
I know what you're getting at.

606
00:33:00,210 --> 00:33:02,029
Honestly, honestly, and that's

607
00:33:02,029 --> 00:33:03,910
funny. I mean, good for you. Kudos, because I knew that was

608
00:33:03,910 --> 00:33:05,970
coming. You know, bottom line is,

609
00:33:06,009 --> 00:33:07,710
the position,

610
00:33:08,089 --> 00:33:10,069
why I'm calling for that right now is because

611
00:33:10,069 --> 00:33:11,990
she is elected, but she isn't sworn

612
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:14,089
in, technically. I mean, she might be sworn

613
00:33:14,089 --> 00:33:16,190
in already. She might have, because I think she's

614
00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:17,930
allowed to, technically, because she already

615
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:19,930
holds the seat. If I'm not mistaken,

616
00:33:20,009 --> 00:33:22,029
I'm not sure, Lori. But if

617
00:33:22,029 --> 00:33:24,309
she hasn't, let's say she hasn't been re-sworn

618
00:33:24,309 --> 00:33:25,990
in for this

619
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:27,829
coming term.

620
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:29,990
Okay, so I wasn't sure

621
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:32,049
if she could, because she was still...

622
00:33:32,049 --> 00:33:33,910
So we have a time frame,

623
00:33:33,910 --> 00:33:35,910
a short time frame, where that's

624
00:33:36,009 --> 00:33:38,640
person does, can,

625
00:33:38,819 --> 00:33:40,700
like, it can change, because I guarantee

626
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:42,380
you, like you said, if you went to the

627
00:33:42,380 --> 00:33:44,619
JLP or the state and said, hey,

628
00:33:44,740 --> 00:33:46,779
we had a runoff election, we had somebody that

629
00:33:46,779 --> 00:33:48,680
was on the board that's about to

630
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,680
lose their seat, they ran against them

631
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,759
in an election and lost,

632
00:33:52,859 --> 00:33:54,519
but that person

633
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:56,559
will assume that seat

634
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:58,680
against speculating, but I'm

635
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,599
assuming the state would be like, sure, no problem.

636
00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:02,700
And that seat would be covered. Because

637
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:04,579
the issue is, is again, you can't recuse

638
00:34:04,579 --> 00:34:06,259
yourself from every job,

639
00:34:06,619 --> 00:34:08,360
as a JLP, and

640
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,559
hold the position

641
00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:12,280
in good faith, you know what I mean? It's like

642
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,239
being a selectman and just never showing up.

643
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:16,039
You know, it'd be, like, it'd be

644
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:18,039
ridiculous. So, you know,

645
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,599
kudos to you, though, for saying if we change your pay.

646
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,380
It doesn't negate the fact that it's already

647
00:34:22,380 --> 00:34:23,380
happened, you know what I mean?

648
00:34:26,349 --> 00:34:27,510
Yeah, for the next cycle.

649
00:34:28,739 --> 00:34:29,139
For what?

650
00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:32,000
In case she ever leaves, it's

651
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,760
something to think about.

652
00:34:34,019 --> 00:34:36,000
For changing the pay? Well, no.

653
00:34:36,059 --> 00:34:38,300
For changing the pay or position or whatever.

654
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,679
But, Megan,

655
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,159
you have an ethics,

656
00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:43,519
something that you have to...

657
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:47,559
Those rules, and they say in there,

658
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,960
you've got the whole thing, from what I read,

659
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:50,820
yes.

660
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:54,380
Do you answer this question? Yes, go to.

661
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:55,639
And then go to and just

662
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:58,019
follow the flowchart. But it doesn't

663
00:34:58,019 --> 00:35:00,260
say you have to remove yourself

664
00:35:00,260 --> 00:35:02,900
from the position.

665
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:04,300
Well, no, no, no, you're right.

666
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,460
You write it out that I have to recuse

667
00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:08,559
myself because I

668
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:09,840
know you're

669
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,619
or I might benefit from it.

670
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:14,840
Actually, when you do

671
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,860
recuse yourself, you're supposed to give a

672
00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:18,159
reason why. Well, now,

673
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,679
with the new ethics coming out, they're not

674
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:22,719
going to accept, I don't want to

675
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,679
recuse myself. Like, they're going to have to give

676
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:26,699
a good faith reason, and the

677
00:35:26,699 --> 00:35:28,900
state will make

678
00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:30,239
the decision whether or not

679
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,719
that they're going to have the ability to

680
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,460
know. Even if we were to go

681
00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:36,840
to the person involved and ask

682
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,079
if you would like to recuse yourself,

683
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,539
this doesn't solve the problem.

684
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,139
See what I'm saying?

685
00:35:45,059 --> 00:35:45,599
If

686
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:49,260
it would be, would you

687
00:35:49,260 --> 00:35:51,239
step down as justice of peace?

688
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:54,239
Yes. Let's just say

689
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,360
for argument's sake,

690
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,949
yes, I will. We go,

691
00:35:59,090 --> 00:36:01,030
we fill in the blank for the justice

692
00:36:01,030 --> 00:36:02,769
of the peace, and that goes through

693
00:36:02,769 --> 00:36:04,090
just like you just said.

694
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:07,360
Five years from now, someone takes

695
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,500
over for justice of peace

696
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:11,480
and we're back to the same square

697
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,340
one. How do we

698
00:36:13,340 --> 00:36:15,460
stop the process?

699
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,539
You've got your bylaws, and that's what

700
00:36:17,539 --> 00:36:19,380
we need to do. Bylaws or ordinance?

701
00:36:20,059 --> 00:36:21,539
But the bylaws don't say no.

702
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:23,440
I mean, not the bylaws, but you were just talking

703
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,059
about your ethics.

704
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,559
We have to start, we have

705
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:29,519
to follow it. So the time is after

706
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:31,480
January 1st, we have to come up with this, but

707
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,179
this never, this

708
00:36:33,179 --> 00:36:34,760
was never

709
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,699
in front of us at that point.

710
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:39,079
So I would like to

711
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:42,000
I just want to

712
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,119
make it clean. I want to clean it up.

713
00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:45,639
It doesn't make sense.

714
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,800
Not to. I think if we had an issue

715
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,940
with people like joining boards and

716
00:36:49,940 --> 00:36:51,920
like wanting to be a part of the community, I could

717
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,800
understand the hesitance and being

718
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,400
like, eh, you know, I don't want to do that.

719
00:36:56,099 --> 00:36:57,679
Because if there's a money conflict

720
00:36:57,679 --> 00:36:59,659
interest, then we should

721
00:36:59,659 --> 00:37:00,679
No, no, I

722
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:03,639
don't want to mention them, but they have

723
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:05,800
people that are, they're making

724
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,960
money in, and it's in the state

725
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,820
of Vermont, they're making money, and they're

726
00:37:09,820 --> 00:37:11,679
on the boards, and they're

727
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:12,699
not having it.

728
00:37:12,699 --> 00:37:14,599
I just think

729
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:15,780
it would behoove,

730
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,480
it would behoove the town to

731
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,179
not allow those positions to co-exist.

732
00:37:20,659 --> 00:37:21,340
I mean, it's

733
00:37:21,340 --> 00:37:23,860
it sets you up, and

734
00:37:23,860 --> 00:37:26,019
it sets the person in the seats,

735
00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:27,539
whoever that is.

736
00:37:28,139 --> 00:37:29,519
We have someone

737
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:30,900
similar, if you're on

738
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:32,519
Well, I can't

739
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:36,000
run for treasurer. I can't run for

740
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,059
treasurer.

741
00:37:37,219 --> 00:37:41,519
She can't be on the ZVA.

742
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:41,699
Yeah.

743
00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:45,400
She can't be a

744
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:45,619
justice.

745
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,199
She can't be a justice of the peace, or a justice of the peace, can't be

746
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:49,960
Once we write off, once we write off.

747
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,019
But at this time, and when the

748
00:37:52,019 --> 00:37:55,119
so-called violation, or whatever you want to call it,

749
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,000
and I truly believe, like you said,

750
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000
it's not whether there was an intent,

751
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,460
it's just happening.

752
00:38:01,460 --> 00:38:03,760
So if you could call it a violation,

753
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,579
you know, whatever it comes with, it's happened.

754
00:38:06,579 --> 00:38:07,420
It's already happened.

755
00:38:07,420 --> 00:38:08,179
Right.

756
00:38:08,179 --> 00:38:10,659
So if it's happened, we can't change it.

757
00:38:10,659 --> 00:38:13,340
You know, we can't go back in the past.

758
00:38:13,340 --> 00:38:14,659
Let's stop it, though. Let's change it.

759
00:38:14,659 --> 00:38:14,860
So I think, you know, we can't go back in the past. Let's stop it, though. Let's change it.

760
00:38:14,860 --> 00:38:15,360
So I think, you know, we can't go back in the past. Let's change it.

761
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:15,659
So I think, you know, we can't go back in the past. Let's change it.

762
00:38:15,659 --> 00:38:20,460
So I don't have a problem with writing an ethics by ordinance

763
00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:26,460
that says that you can't run for JP and hold that position.

764
00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:27,559
I don't have a problem with that.

765
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:29,260
Hold in what position?

766
00:38:29,260 --> 00:38:29,760
The clerk?

767
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,960
The clerk, assessor, or

768
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:31,760
Tax collector.

769
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,559
You know, tax collector, whatever you want to call it.

770
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:35,059
But they're both elected positions.

771
00:38:35,059 --> 00:38:37,260
How do you tell people you can't run for both?

772
00:38:37,260 --> 00:38:38,360
That's the election.

773
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,559
There's no reason why she couldn't be elected.

774
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:41,059
Because, just like we just said,

775
00:38:41,059 --> 00:38:45,159
a slight board member cannot hold the treasurer.

776
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:45,260
Right.

777
00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:46,559
You can't run for those two positions.

778
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:46,860
Right.

779
00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:48,360
But those are by state law.

780
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,460
But by state law, I'm JP.

781
00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:53,559
And tax collector, there's no conflict.

782
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:58,360
State law also says if there is a perceived ethics violation

783
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,860
or a perceived conflict of interest, you must step away.

784
00:39:02,860 --> 00:39:03,760
What law was that?

785
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,559
From the

786
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:05,059
From the

787
00:39:05,059 --> 00:39:05,760
It's in the evidence.

788
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,559
No, I just want to look it up.

789
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:09,360
I don't have it memorized.

790
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,059
From the hearing, though.

791
00:39:11,059 --> 00:39:11,360
Pardon?

792
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,360
From the hearing, not from the position.

793
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,360
In general,

794
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,059
if there is a

795
00:39:15,059 --> 00:39:18,360
perceived conflict of interest, there is.

796
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,860
There is.

797
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:22,559
And I think that's what's going to happen, you know,

798
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:26,360
with the new laws that are coming out in January.

799
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,789
It's, guys, you're arguing something that we all know is a conflict.

800
00:39:31,789 --> 00:39:37,039
So, we all know it's a conflict of interest.

801
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:39,139
The cat's out of the bag.

802
00:39:39,139 --> 00:39:44,340
So, how is she going to be effective going forward?

803
00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:45,539
She's going to have to recuse.

804
00:39:45,539 --> 00:39:46,039
Recuse.

805
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:46,539
Right.

806
00:39:46,539 --> 00:39:47,039
Recuse.

807
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:47,539
Right.

808
00:39:47,539 --> 00:39:53,159
So, why put her in that position?

809
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:56,260
I thought you guys did address it with her and say,

810
00:39:56,260 --> 00:39:58,460
hey, this is a conflict here.

811
00:39:58,460 --> 00:40:02,860
We know it's elected, but do you realize what

812
00:40:02,860 --> 00:40:06,460
it just reads, I know we're a small town,

813
00:40:06,460 --> 00:40:09,159
but you read about this stuff all the time,

814
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:11,460
corruption and these types of things.

815
00:40:11,460 --> 00:40:14,460
Look at Clarksburg and the money that just vanishes.

816
00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:14,960
Wow.

817
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,460
And you don't know.

818
00:40:16,460 --> 00:40:19,960
This doesn't happen with anybody in any of those positions.

819
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,460
So, you just need to nip it in the bud.

820
00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:23,960
She can't be on both.

821
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,460
But, okay, so something comes up with Healy,

822
00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:36,809
you're just elected JP, and you're going to hear something on,

823
00:40:36,809 --> 00:40:42,260
you're going to have to recuse yourself if you get it from the CBA, right?

824
00:40:42,260 --> 00:40:44,260
She doesn't have a financial gain.

825
00:40:44,260 --> 00:40:46,559
There's a difference between recusing yourself

826
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:50,059
because her neighbor is asking for a permit, right?

827
00:40:50,059 --> 00:40:54,059
Or, that's a difference than a financial gain.

828
00:40:54,059 --> 00:40:58,559
So, and I don't think, I don't know why,

829
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:01,059
I thought we got past the argument whether it was

830
00:41:01,059 --> 00:41:02,559
because you said we're arguing.

831
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:04,559
I thought we got past the argument part of it

832
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:07,059
and said, how do we fix it now?

833
00:41:07,059 --> 00:41:09,059
I thought we were trying to get,

834
00:41:09,059 --> 00:41:12,059
I guess I was trying to get past the argument part of it.

835
00:41:12,059 --> 00:41:14,559
Did anyone ask her, would she step aside?

836
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,059
So, I thought she was going to be,

837
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:18,719
we had an executive session tonight,

838
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,219
and she didn't come.

839
00:41:20,219 --> 00:41:23,719
So, that's what I wanted to address at that point.

840
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,719
So, we went through a special election

841
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,719
which could have been avoided,

842
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,719
a thousand some odd dollars,

843
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,719
and this wasn't even addressed with her prior to?

844
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,809
I thought, you know, I...

845
00:41:36,809 --> 00:41:38,809
The special election was...

846
00:41:38,809 --> 00:41:40,809
Wasn't it before?

847
00:41:40,809 --> 00:41:42,309
No, you had brought it up.

848
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:43,809
No, I brought it up before that.

849
00:41:43,809 --> 00:41:45,880
You brought it up well before then.

850
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:46,880
Yeah.

851
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:52,070
I just, again, I think that it would behoove you guys,

852
00:41:52,070 --> 00:41:53,070
again, it's my opinion,

853
00:41:53,070 --> 00:41:55,070
it doesn't mean anything to hold any clout,

854
00:41:55,070 --> 00:41:56,070
but I don't think that,

855
00:41:56,070 --> 00:41:58,070
just like you shouldn't hold her position,

856
00:41:58,070 --> 00:42:01,070
I think the best move is for anybody holding that position

857
00:42:01,070 --> 00:42:03,070
that both positions shouldn't co-exist.

858
00:42:03,070 --> 00:42:08,360
So, here's my, and again, I'm not in disagreement.

859
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,360
I'm not in disagreement with either one of these.

860
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,280
I truly believe there's conflict of interest.

861
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,280
This is my, I'm not talking for the board.

862
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,280
I'm just part of the board.

863
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,280
I think that there's conflict of interest.

864
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,280
Not I think.

865
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,280
I truly believe there is.

866
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,280
Okay?

867
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,280
It's not an opinion.

868
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,639
I believe there's conflict of interest.

869
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:30,639
You know, 100%.

870
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:32,639
You only can have 100% not a thousand.

871
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:33,639
Just close enough.

872
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:34,639
I'm just kidding.

873
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:37,639
But it's there.

874
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:38,639
What do we do?

875
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:40,639
So, let's, whatever we...

876
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:41,639
The question is, what do we do?

877
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:43,639
I can't get the answer.

878
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:45,630
Okay?

879
00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:46,630
Which way to go?

880
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:47,630
Let's do it.

881
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:48,630
We're going forward.

882
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:49,630
Let's do it.

883
00:42:49,630 --> 00:42:56,659
Now, again, I would like to bring the party into an executive session,

884
00:42:56,659 --> 00:43:04,139
ask that to make it a smoother transition

885
00:43:04,139 --> 00:43:07,139
where the justice and the peace before the first of the year, whatever,

886
00:43:07,139 --> 00:43:09,139
is to dealt with,

887
00:43:09,139 --> 00:43:11,139
but on the other side of that is,

888
00:43:11,139 --> 00:43:14,139
let's just say, no, I'm not doing that.

889
00:43:14,139 --> 00:43:15,329
It can happen, right?

890
00:43:15,329 --> 00:43:16,329
Yep.

891
00:43:16,329 --> 00:43:17,329
Then we still go through

892
00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:22,329
with this process to make sure that there's an ordinance put in place now

893
00:43:22,329 --> 00:43:26,329
that down the road, we have it in place that that doesn't...

894
00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:30,329
Whether it's state law or not, we can make our own ordinance, right?

895
00:43:30,329 --> 00:43:38,199
So we can say these two positions are in the thaw of urgency.

896
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:39,199
Clarity.

897
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:43,199
And the board believes these two positions are a conflict of interest

898
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:47,199
because of the gain of financial gain.

899
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:51,289
Isn't that what the VLCD, though, said?

900
00:43:51,289 --> 00:43:55,289
Didn't they make it pretty clear that the way she's compensating,

901
00:43:55,289 --> 00:43:56,289
it's a conflict of interest?

902
00:43:56,289 --> 00:43:57,289
Sure.

903
00:43:57,289 --> 00:43:58,289
You guys got to understand something.

904
00:43:58,289 --> 00:44:01,289
When you write a letter or an email to VLCD,

905
00:44:01,289 --> 00:44:05,289
they're going to give you a decision based on what you told them.

906
00:44:05,289 --> 00:44:08,289
It's not what really happened.

907
00:44:08,289 --> 00:44:10,289
It's what you're saying to them.

908
00:44:10,289 --> 00:44:16,289
So if you're saying something to VLCD on the same issue that I'm saying,

909
00:44:16,289 --> 00:44:18,289
we might decide differently between you.

910
00:44:18,289 --> 00:44:19,289
Sure.

911
00:44:19,289 --> 00:44:21,289
So it happens every single time.

912
00:44:21,289 --> 00:44:23,289
But may I make one suggestion?

913
00:44:23,289 --> 00:44:24,289
No.

914
00:44:24,289 --> 00:44:31,360
You just made a proclamation that you believe there was a conflict of interest here.

915
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,360
Mm-hmm.

916
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,480
May I suggest to the board you make a motion,

917
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,480
and that way you can open it for discussion and then decide what you're going to do?

918
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,480
Yeah.

919
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,480
I'm working on it.

920
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:49,099
Going forward, we deal with the code of ethics and our conflict of interest.

921
00:44:49,099 --> 00:44:52,099
Conflict of interest and work on it from there.

922
00:44:52,099 --> 00:44:53,230
Okay.

923
00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:55,869
That's my opinion.

924
00:44:55,869 --> 00:45:09,650
In order to make this investigation, we have a process.

925
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:10,650
Is that correct?

926
00:45:10,650 --> 00:45:12,809
Because I've never done this.

927
00:45:12,809 --> 00:45:15,809
I mean, I'm not a government, so that's why I'm asking the question.

928
00:45:15,809 --> 00:45:23,320
What do we do that says, okay, in the event that the party says no,

929
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,449
there's a process that shows, yeah, there is.

930
00:45:25,449 --> 00:45:26,449
Look at it.

931
00:45:26,449 --> 00:45:27,449
The state said there is.

932
00:45:27,449 --> 00:45:28,449
The L.T. said there is.

933
00:45:28,449 --> 00:45:29,449
I said there is.

934
00:45:29,449 --> 00:45:30,449
The board said there is.

935
00:45:30,449 --> 00:45:33,449
Yes, there is a conflict of interest.

936
00:45:33,449 --> 00:45:41,480
What do we do to make it happen, not just a suggestion?

937
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,980
Well, one of the positions would have to be.

938
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:48,980
She'd have to either not be tax collector or not be-

939
00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:53,079
Have to is different than want to.

940
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,079
So they're both elected.

941
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:57,079
She was elected by the people.

942
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:58,079
And I don't know.

943
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:04,940
And that's my big question is, can you tell an elected official, you're out of here?

944
00:46:04,940 --> 00:46:05,940
I don't think so.

945
00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:11,940
But in your treasury, I guess, is it stated that you cannot be both?

946
00:46:11,940 --> 00:46:12,940
No.

947
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:14,940
No, not these two positions.

948
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:21,940
So the thing is, if there's a board of abatement or DCA here or whatever,

949
00:46:21,940 --> 00:46:28,480
just ask that person that's in that job there, collect their delinquent taxes,

950
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,480
it's going to affect your pay to not serve on that year.

951
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,480
So that would be every year?

952
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,480
Every year.

953
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,480
Every abatement?

954
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,480
Every abatement.

955
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,480
Every abatement.

956
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:50,920
Not so much, well, not every abatement, because maybe they're not asking for abatement of their taxes.

957
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:51,920
How about their assessment?

958
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,920
The assessment, I think it would be.

959
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:59,429
If you're coming in and have any opinion that affects the payment of taxes that you have delinquently,

960
00:46:59,429 --> 00:47:03,429
not paid yet, is a recusal.

961
00:47:03,429 --> 00:47:06,429
Taxes, but what if it's a part of your taxes, not your taxes?

962
00:47:06,429 --> 00:47:07,429
It doesn't matter.

963
00:47:07,429 --> 00:47:12,489
If you stand to make a financial gain from it, what's the decision?

964
00:47:12,489 --> 00:47:15,489
Because it has nothing to do with the taxes or the penalties and interest.

965
00:47:15,489 --> 00:47:19,489
It's everything to do with the year's taxes that were not paid.

966
00:47:19,489 --> 00:47:24,489
So if I come in for an abatement, regardless if it's for my school tax or whatever the case may be,

967
00:47:24,489 --> 00:47:26,489
it's still a conflict of interest.

968
00:47:26,489 --> 00:47:28,489
So I think that we can change the process.

969
00:47:28,489 --> 00:47:31,489
You know, going forward.

970
00:47:31,489 --> 00:47:35,489
What I want to know is what do you do with the problem at hand?

971
00:47:35,489 --> 00:47:40,489
So we could change the process and say we have an ordinance, just like Jed was saying,

972
00:47:40,489 --> 00:47:46,489
just like we have with these two boards, even follow the state law on the slot and treasurer,

973
00:47:46,489 --> 00:47:48,489
just make it the same thing.

974
00:47:48,489 --> 00:47:51,489
Those two positions can't be run together.

975
00:47:51,489 --> 00:47:55,489
We could do that, you know, right away.

976
00:47:55,489 --> 00:47:56,489
Boom.

977
00:47:56,489 --> 00:47:57,489
That's an ordinance.

978
00:47:57,489 --> 00:48:01,489
But that doesn't stop that she holds two positions now.

979
00:48:01,489 --> 00:48:04,489
And she was elected prior to her.

980
00:48:04,489 --> 00:48:05,489
That's only for one year.

981
00:48:05,489 --> 00:48:06,489
That's fine.

982
00:48:06,489 --> 00:48:09,489
Because, well, I can say that I'll be a part of those boards.

983
00:48:09,489 --> 00:48:16,489
So I can ask her to recuse herself at that point if there's ever an issue or a conflict that I feel I can't tell her to.

984
00:48:16,489 --> 00:48:22,489
But I can bring it to the rest of the people as a recommendation on the board to say she needs to recuse herself from this position.

985
00:48:22,489 --> 00:48:23,489
So I go that route.

986
00:48:23,489 --> 00:48:26,489
From here on out, these two positions will not be.

987
00:48:26,489 --> 00:48:30,489
If the judge says one piece is a one-year.

988
00:48:30,489 --> 00:48:31,780
It's not.

989
00:48:31,780 --> 00:48:32,780
Or two-year.

990
00:48:32,780 --> 00:48:38,780
Two years, you've got to ask someone to recuse themselves.

991
00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:40,780
I mean, for two years.

992
00:48:40,780 --> 00:48:46,840
I don't think in the law, I don't think that's an option.

993
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,840
I think that is a job description.

994
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:49,840
Love it.

995
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:50,840
If I'm not mistaken.

996
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:51,840
I think so.

997
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:52,840
I don't think you can remove it.

998
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:53,840
I believe what you need to do.

999
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:54,840
Not from every state.

1000
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:55,840
Right.

1001
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,840
You need to have the board on everybody on, you know, an official.

1002
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:01,840
I agree.

1003
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:02,840
Step.

1004
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:03,840
That's what I was just going to say.

1005
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,840
And so once that step starts, then you have ammunition and teeth when you talk to them.

1006
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:07,840
I want to know what the step is.

1007
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,840
That's why I had to make a motion.

1008
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,840
We need to know all of these.

1009
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,840
If it doesn't pass, then you just have a conversation.

1010
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,840
Mike, you've made it very clear, and I appreciate that.

1011
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,840
But I think we're going on three times now.

1012
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:26,099
The other members have not said they feel this is a conflict.

1013
00:49:26,099 --> 00:49:27,099
It's a conflict of interest.

1014
00:49:27,099 --> 00:49:32,099
And until you all say that, it's just you that wants to move forward.

1015
00:49:32,099 --> 00:49:34,099
So I really want to hear if.

1016
00:49:34,099 --> 00:49:38,099
Well, Mike and Kurt both said that they, you know, that they both voiced their opinion.

1017
00:49:38,099 --> 00:49:39,099
Kurt, but he's not here.

1018
00:49:39,099 --> 00:49:40,099
I'd like to know.

1019
00:49:40,099 --> 00:49:43,099
He's supposed to reach out to the ethics committee of the state.

1020
00:49:43,099 --> 00:49:45,099
I'd like to know what you guys think.

1021
00:49:45,099 --> 00:49:47,099
Where are you supposed to go from here?

1022
00:49:47,099 --> 00:49:52,099
Well, I think like what you said is, it's a no-brainer.

1023
00:49:52,099 --> 00:49:53,099
Okay.

1024
00:49:53,099 --> 00:49:54,099
You make you.

1025
00:49:54,099 --> 00:49:55,099
It's the simplest thing to do.

1026
00:49:55,099 --> 00:49:56,099
It's to eliminate those positions.

1027
00:49:56,099 --> 00:49:57,099
Let's stick together.

1028
00:49:57,099 --> 00:49:58,099
So vote on it.

1029
00:49:58,099 --> 00:50:02,099
It's ridiculous to have somebody in that position if they're going to have to continue

1030
00:50:02,099 --> 00:50:03,099
to refuse themselves.

1031
00:50:03,099 --> 00:50:04,099
Correct.

1032
00:50:04,099 --> 00:50:09,099
There may be instances where Nancy brought up where she might not have to vote.

1033
00:50:09,099 --> 00:50:14,099
If you're going to be on the board and have to continue to refuse yourself, then why be

1034
00:50:14,099 --> 00:50:15,099
in that position?

1035
00:50:15,099 --> 00:50:17,610
And that's the point here.

1036
00:50:17,610 --> 00:50:19,610
So Mike brings up the point.

1037
00:50:19,610 --> 00:50:20,610
It was an election position.

1038
00:50:20,610 --> 00:50:24,739
How do we tell the people that you elected her?

1039
00:50:24,739 --> 00:50:25,739
You elected her.

1040
00:50:25,739 --> 00:50:26,739
You were wrong for electing her.

1041
00:50:26,739 --> 00:50:32,739
And what we got to do, tell her you've got to step down?

1042
00:50:32,739 --> 00:50:34,739
I don't think we can.

1043
00:50:34,739 --> 00:50:37,739
What is the right way to go about this?

1044
00:50:37,739 --> 00:50:46,159
Once you realize that you have an ethics issue, you write a letter and you send it

1045
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:48,159
to the ethics commission to the state.

1046
00:50:48,159 --> 00:50:53,829
Meanwhile, you're having a conversation with her saying, you know, this can't happen.

1047
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:54,829
You're on hold?

1048
00:50:54,829 --> 00:50:55,829
I just got one question.

1049
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:56,829
And I think this will answer everything.

1050
00:50:56,829 --> 00:50:57,829
One question is, did she or did our tax collector benefit by her decision with Pete?

1051
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:58,829
I think that's a valid question.

1052
00:50:58,829 --> 00:50:59,829
No, that's .

1053
00:50:59,829 --> 00:51:01,210
What was her decision?

1054
00:51:01,210 --> 00:51:02,210
I mean, she didn't make it that she wanted.

1055
00:51:02,210 --> 00:51:03,210
No, no, no.

1056
00:51:03,210 --> 00:51:04,440
I don't know what the decision was.

1057
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:05,440
I wasn't there.

1058
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,440
I have no idea.

1059
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:07,440
Was there some monetary deliberations of Pete's thing?

1060
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,920
I don't think we can talk about it.

1061
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:12,920
That was an executive session.

1062
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:13,920
It doesn't matter.

1063
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:14,920
She had a decision.

1064
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:15,920
It doesn't matter.

1065
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:16,920
It doesn't matter.

1066
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:17,920
It doesn't matter.

1067
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:18,920
It doesn't matter.

1068
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:19,920
It doesn't matter.

1069
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:20,920
It doesn't matter.

1070
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:21,920
It doesn't matter.

1071
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:22,920
It doesn't matter.

1072
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:23,920
It doesn't matter.

1073
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:24,920
It doesn't matter.

1074
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:25,920
It doesn't matter.

1075
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:26,920
It doesn't matter.

1076
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:27,920
She had a vote.

1077
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:28,920
So you guys, now, so keep that in mind when you're making decisions.

1078
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:29,920
If there was a monetary gain, that's an epic —

1079
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:30,920
The answer to the question is different than did she get paid.

1080
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,920
Did her opinion or her vote matter?

1081
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:32,920
We're not supposed to talk about that.

1082
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:48,239
If it didn't matter, she still got paid.

1083
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:54,980
If it did matter, she got paid.

1084
00:51:54,980 --> 00:51:55,980
Mm-hm.

1085
00:51:55,980 --> 00:52:03,360
So the answer to did she gain financially, even if she didn't show up, yes.

1086
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:07,019
But it would have been a different issue.

1087
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:08,559
I think it would have been a different issue.

1088
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,139
You'll need to answer your question.

1089
00:52:10,139 --> 00:52:14,219
But she didn't necessarily sway the board.

1090
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:17,539
I'm not saying she did or didn't because I'm not promising that.

1091
00:52:17,539 --> 00:52:19,159
She benefited from the business.

1092
00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:22,380
She could have reduced herself and still benefited.

1093
00:52:22,460 --> 00:52:23,219
And still benefited.

1094
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,059
Right, but I think it would have not been a –

1095
00:52:25,059 --> 00:52:28,179
for me, that's not a conflict of interest at that point.

1096
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,900
If she recused herself from any deliberation or any voice in my property,

1097
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,400
there's no conflict of interest.

1098
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:35,360
So here's the thing.

1099
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:39,199
This is – it is.

1100
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:40,139
I'm going to be honest.

1101
00:52:40,739 --> 00:52:44,780
The whole system is a touchy situation because we all know each other.

1102
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:49,639
We all have to – quote and date, we have to live in the same town together.

1103
00:52:50,059 --> 00:52:54,570
I'm kind of – and that's true.

1104
00:52:54,570 --> 00:53:02,340
It's a very – you don't want to look at it like I'm going – it's a personal vendetta.

1105
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,860
You're saying in this – correct me if I'm wrong.

1106
00:53:08,260 --> 00:53:10,940
You're good with her recusing herself for two years.

1107
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:12,960
No, not really.

1108
00:53:13,139 --> 00:53:13,860
I thought it was a year.

1109
00:53:14,380 --> 00:53:15,780
Okay, even if it was a year.

1110
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:23,840
But at least we could have gotten through the – like a – kind of like a waiting period because she was elected.

1111
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,840
I mean the only other thing is that you – I think if you – I don't know.

1112
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:26,860
Right.

1113
00:53:26,860 --> 00:53:26,880
Right.

1114
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:26,900
Right.

1115
00:53:26,900 --> 00:53:26,920
Right.

1116
00:53:26,940 --> 00:53:32,980
If you wrote a letter to the Ethics Committee or the JLP and said, hey, listen, we've got a conflict of interest here and we had one.

1117
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:34,039
She was just elected.

1118
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:37,019
We've got town people looking for her to step down.

1119
00:53:37,380 --> 00:53:38,420
What do you suggest?

1120
00:53:38,579 --> 00:53:38,800
Right.

1121
00:53:39,099 --> 00:53:40,920
Because she benefits from decisions.

1122
00:53:40,940 --> 00:53:41,559
Can –

1123
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:50,539
I think that's – my question is, and I don't know if anybody in the room knows, can state say you must step down to an elected –

1124
00:53:50,539 --> 00:53:52,360
If that's what the Ethics Commission does.

1125
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:53,300
Or do they –

1126
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:55,400
We can't remove – we can't remove her.

1127
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,739
I don't believe they can.

1128
00:53:56,739 --> 00:54:02,260
It would take two years.

1129
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:13,539
It seems like the simplest, easiest way, and I'm not trying to cater to anybody, is that we make the ordinance right away.

1130
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,340
So this never happens again.

1131
00:54:16,699 --> 00:54:22,949
And then after she's – her term goes up, she can't run.

1132
00:54:23,429 --> 00:54:25,309
Or she can run for that, but not this.

1133
00:54:26,269 --> 00:54:26,869
Yeah, I don't –

1134
00:54:26,869 --> 00:54:27,449
And in the meantime –

1135
00:54:27,449 --> 00:54:38,719
You're saying the delinquent tax collector benefited from the decision the board made.

1136
00:54:39,659 --> 00:54:42,099
She benefited from it because she had a say in it.

1137
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:45,179
But you're –

1138
00:54:45,179 --> 00:54:46,079
There's no but.

1139
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:47,019
She fought.

1140
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,820
I actually think she benefited whether she had a –

1141
00:54:49,820 --> 00:54:50,980
I agree.

1142
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:57,260
Okay, but my point is, is we don't know exactly what the vote is because you can't say.

1143
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:57,480
Right.

1144
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,019
Okay, but –

1145
00:54:59,019 --> 00:54:59,699
But you know.

1146
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:01,300
I know.

1147
00:55:01,659 --> 00:55:02,019
Okay.

1148
00:55:02,539 --> 00:55:19,679
So bottom line is, is she stood on my property in a site visit, in the board – as a board member, as part of the board of civil authority, as JOP, and voiced opinions and had a say and a vote.

1149
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,800
That's a conflict of interest because you stand to gain from your vote.

1150
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,559
Let's say that the vote was one by one.

1151
00:55:28,739 --> 00:55:29,519
I don't know.

1152
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:33,280
I personally think that we've already agreed on it.

1153
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:35,099
But she's asking now.

1154
00:55:35,340 --> 00:55:35,820
She's asking.

1155
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,679
So I'm just – I'm saying that –

1156
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:42,300
So let's just make a motion to make that happen and see what happens.

1157
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:44,119
And then we'll go from there moving forward.

1158
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:48,639
I think that's your best – you can – I know you don't want to do it, so you're going to vote no, which is fine.

1159
00:55:48,940 --> 00:55:49,659
Everybody has a vote.

1160
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:51,800
Make it the two positions that coexist.

1161
00:55:52,260 --> 00:55:53,000
Well, we're going to.

1162
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:53,380
Yeah.

1163
00:55:53,699 --> 00:56:00,260
I think I'm going to make a motion that we're going to have ordinance that they don't happen in the future.

1164
00:56:00,260 --> 00:56:03,139
What about the two years that she's still –

1165
00:56:03,139 --> 00:56:03,179
What?

1166
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:09,739
In that meantime, I think you send a letter to the Board of Ethics that says that there was a conflict of interest because she would acknowledge that.

1167
00:56:09,980 --> 00:56:12,039
You have to acknowledge the State Ethics Department.

1168
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:12,699
Right.

1169
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:24,269
Well, I think if you could say, okay, that – okay, she collected so much money because of these comments, you know, then you got it.

1170
00:56:24,289 --> 00:56:26,070
And that would be an issue.

1171
00:56:26,070 --> 00:56:30,050
I guess what I'm trying to say is, is there a violation?

1172
00:56:30,989 --> 00:56:33,289
Was there – did she actually collect?

1173
00:56:33,289 --> 00:56:35,929
Did she collect some – more money because of that?

1174
00:56:36,050 --> 00:56:36,949
Well, no, she collected less.

1175
00:56:36,949 --> 00:56:37,889
That would be real easy.

1176
00:56:38,190 --> 00:56:39,010
She collected less.

1177
00:56:39,050 --> 00:56:39,190
Yeah.

1178
00:56:39,369 --> 00:56:39,510
Yeah.

1179
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:40,429
She still collected.

1180
00:56:40,429 --> 00:56:45,130
That would be real easy to go to the State and say, yeah, there was like a – she used her position.

1181
00:56:46,050 --> 00:56:47,010
I don't – I don't see that.

1182
00:56:47,010 --> 00:56:48,389
And it could be sort of what you want to see.

1183
00:56:48,809 --> 00:56:55,349
If you can hold that, then we can take her off because she did something wrong.

1184
00:56:55,409 --> 00:56:56,650
She violated her position.

1185
00:56:57,269 --> 00:56:59,210
I think – I don't disagree.

1186
00:56:59,349 --> 00:57:00,389
I understand what you're saying.

1187
00:57:00,389 --> 00:57:03,269
And, no, she actually didn't, like, gain anything.

1188
00:57:03,289 --> 00:57:12,269
She didn't gain more money because my – some of my stuff was abated, more so on – not enough to really matter.

1189
00:57:12,510 --> 00:57:16,769
But she still had a say in that money.

1190
00:57:17,289 --> 00:57:17,829
You know what I mean?

1191
00:57:17,969 --> 00:57:18,909
It could have went down lower.

1192
00:57:19,409 --> 00:57:20,630
It could have went down lower.

1193
00:57:20,809 --> 00:57:22,230
It could have raised up higher.

1194
00:57:22,409 --> 00:57:22,550
Right.

1195
00:57:22,550 --> 00:57:23,869
It could have stayed where it was.

1196
00:57:24,269 --> 00:57:25,409
And she had a vote in that.

1197
00:57:25,409 --> 00:57:33,030
So if you stand to make any financial gain whatsoever, regardless if it's $1, 50 cents or whatever,

1198
00:57:33,289 --> 00:57:35,050
that's a conflict of interest in that position.

1199
00:57:35,150 --> 00:57:36,829
And that's just what I'm bringing forward.

1200
00:57:37,170 --> 00:57:44,429
And, in fact, it's just – again, I think we're trying – we understand that we don't – you don't want to go down that route.

1201
00:57:44,429 --> 00:57:55,070
But I think moving forward – and I think a lot of people in the town would agree that anybody that holds a position that stands to make a financial gain in any position is not okay.

1202
00:57:55,489 --> 00:57:56,989
And that's just not that position.

1203
00:57:57,309 --> 00:57:58,849
That's – that could be Lori's position.

1204
00:57:58,989 --> 00:58:00,409
That could be your position.

1205
00:58:00,530 --> 00:58:01,610
That could be anybody's position.

1206
00:58:01,969 --> 00:58:03,269
People are going to be like, oh, so you –

1207
00:58:03,289 --> 00:58:09,349
You can make a – so you're going to have a say in what happened to my taxes, and you can make money off that?

1208
00:58:09,630 --> 00:58:11,489
Now, one person is going to be like, I'm okay with that.

1209
00:58:11,489 --> 00:58:17,949
So I did read the ethics decision when it comes to conflict of interest.

1210
00:58:18,250 --> 00:58:23,489
And one of the words that they used is a perceived monetary image.

1211
00:58:24,530 --> 00:58:30,110
So perceiving that it looks like you're doing it is almost as bad as it being doing it.

1212
00:58:30,829 --> 00:58:33,090
So – and, again, I've already –

1213
00:58:33,289 --> 00:58:38,489
Good with the – I'm not arguing at all about whether it's a conflict or not.

1214
00:58:39,250 --> 00:58:55,610
And I think that even if there isn't, like, peace – you know, did he or did not – or did she not gain money, if it's perceived – you don't know what the deliberation was – but it's perceived that it could be happening, it looks bad.

1215
00:58:55,889 --> 00:58:56,869
I don't like it.

1216
00:58:56,929 --> 00:58:59,469
I think it's a no-brainer to me.

1217
00:58:59,469 --> 00:59:02,980
I don't have a problem making a motion that we need to have an ordinance.

1218
00:59:03,739 --> 00:59:12,340
That says that the two positions – assessor, clerk, or whatever – or tax – I keep mixing up things.

1219
00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:13,679
She owns other stuff.

1220
00:59:14,099 --> 00:59:16,440
But the assessor – or what is it?

1221
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:17,639
Delinquent tax collector.

1222
00:59:17,820 --> 00:59:18,559
Delinquent tax collector.

1223
00:59:18,579 --> 00:59:19,840
That's where she gains the money.

1224
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:20,159
Yeah.

1225
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:24,119
And justice and peace do not coexist.

1226
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:28,519
That they – if you run for one, you can't run for the other.

1227
00:59:28,519 --> 00:59:30,079
I don't have a problem with that.

1228
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:33,420
Just like the state law says select board and treasurer can't run.

1229
00:59:33,519 --> 00:59:33,619
Yep.

1230
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:34,719
And I will make that.

1231
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,739
I will make that motion if you want to clean that up a little bit.

1232
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:42,179
You can't make an ordinance on like that kind of – they're both elected positions.

1233
00:59:42,739 --> 00:59:47,219
I will make a motion that we look into making an ordinance.

1234
00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:49,559
I want to put forward on that.

1235
00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:51,400
I think that is easy.

1236
00:59:52,699 --> 00:59:57,599
The second thing I want to say – well, there's a motion, so unless I get a second, it doesn't matter.

1237
00:59:59,409 --> 00:59:59,750
Second.

1238
01:00:03,409 --> 01:00:03,809
Agree.

1239
01:00:04,449 --> 01:00:04,889
Agree.

1240
01:00:05,809 --> 01:00:06,210
Agree.

1241
01:00:06,210 --> 01:00:06,329
Agree.

1242
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:08,389
Agree.

1243
01:00:08,690 --> 01:00:09,030
Agree.

1244
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:09,130
Agree.

1245
01:00:09,130 --> 01:00:09,150
Agree.

1246
01:00:09,150 --> 01:00:09,170
Agree.

1247
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:09,190
Agree.

1248
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:09,210
Agree.

1249
01:00:09,210 --> 01:00:09,269
Agree.

1250
01:00:09,269 --> 01:00:09,289
Agree.

1251
01:00:09,289 --> 01:00:09,329
Agree.

1252
01:00:09,329 --> 01:00:09,349
Agree.

1253
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:09,409
Agree.

1254
01:00:09,409 --> 01:00:09,650
Agree.

1255
01:00:09,650 --> 01:00:09,820
Agree.

1256
01:00:09,820 --> 01:00:09,860
Agree.

1257
01:00:09,860 --> 01:00:09,880
Agree.

1258
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:09,920
Agree.

1259
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:09,940
Agree.

1260
01:00:09,940 --> 01:00:09,980
Agree.

1261
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,340
But I don't think it's legal.

1262
01:00:12,739 --> 01:00:15,480
I don't think we can say you can't run for both.

1263
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:16,219
No, no.

1264
01:00:16,219 --> 01:00:18,039
We're not talking about that.

1265
01:00:19,300 --> 01:00:20,159
What's that motion?

1266
01:00:20,179 --> 01:00:22,800
My motion is that the two positions can't coexist.

1267
01:00:23,179 --> 01:00:23,280
Uh-oh.

1268
01:00:23,460 --> 01:00:24,920
Just like I came to my office.

1269
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:26,900
I thought you were in the same motion.

1270
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:30,860
So you can't run for – no, this isn't about the violation at all.

1271
01:00:30,940 --> 01:00:39,039
It's just that the liquid tax collector cannot run for justice and peace because there's

1272
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:39,860
a conflict of interest.

1273
01:00:39,860 --> 01:00:39,960
There's a conflict of interest.

1274
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,719
perceived conflict in the interest of a financial gain.

1275
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:44,000
Okay.

1276
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:44,619
Okay.

1277
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:45,159
All right.

1278
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:45,639
That's my hope.

1279
01:00:45,719 --> 01:00:48,039
She's coming out for election this year for tax collector.

1280
01:00:48,420 --> 01:00:48,800
Right.

1281
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:52,679
What if she doesn't want to be tax collector and she wants to stay justice of the peace?

1282
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:53,300
That issue.

1283
01:00:53,579 --> 01:00:53,800
Okay.

1284
01:00:54,260 --> 01:00:54,820
That's right.

1285
01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:57,739
But it seems we should still put something in our order.

1286
01:00:57,860 --> 01:00:59,780
So if we can, I don't know.

1287
01:00:59,940 --> 01:01:00,320
If we can.

1288
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,239
I want to make a motion that we look at it and do it then.

1289
01:01:04,300 --> 01:01:04,679
How's that?

1290
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,079
I'm sure that we can.

1291
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:06,340
Yep.

1292
01:01:06,619 --> 01:01:07,940
Well, you already made the motion.

1293
01:01:07,940 --> 01:01:10,039
It was already approved for you to make the motion.

1294
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:13,019
Now you should probably make a motion to look into it.

1295
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,639
I don't care how you look at it.

1296
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:18,559
So, you know, this isn't my full-time job.

1297
01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:19,960
It's not my job.

1298
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:20,679
So I don't care.

1299
01:01:20,860 --> 01:01:23,539
I don't care how you guys want to spin it.

1300
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:24,500
We know what we want.

1301
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:26,440
My point is I want to do it.

1302
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:26,719
Okay.

1303
01:01:27,179 --> 01:01:29,780
So whatever the motion needs to be, go ahead and do it.

1304
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:30,659
All right.

1305
01:01:30,780 --> 01:01:31,679
Fill in the blanks.

1306
01:01:31,860 --> 01:01:37,860
My second thing is I don't think we should send a letter until.

1307
01:01:37,940 --> 01:01:41,099
And this, again, the board didn't shoot me down.

1308
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:53,400
I would like to have whatever your executive session with the party involved and ask and talk about it.

1309
01:01:54,260 --> 01:01:58,139
Your opinion, maybe the step down where it happens.

1310
01:01:58,519 --> 01:01:59,760
And then it's clean.

1311
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:08,179
And then the motion that I just made that Larry's going to write up, whatever it says, is going to clean that up.

1312
01:02:08,179 --> 01:02:08,519
Yep.

1313
01:02:09,099 --> 01:02:09,500
So if.

1314
01:02:10,019 --> 01:02:10,980
That's best case scenario.

1315
01:02:11,239 --> 01:02:12,039
But going forward.

1316
01:02:12,239 --> 01:02:17,199
Without sending a letter, if that doesn't happen, that wouldn't send a letter.

1317
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:21,409
But going forward, it could happen again, though.

1318
01:02:25,219 --> 01:02:25,920
If it's legal.

1319
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:26,659
If it's an ethics policy.

1320
01:02:26,659 --> 01:02:27,380
If it's legal.

1321
01:02:27,579 --> 01:02:27,960
If it's an ethics policy.

1322
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:28,579
Right.

1323
01:02:28,699 --> 01:02:29,139
A policy.

1324
01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:29,519
Yes.

1325
01:02:29,539 --> 01:02:29,800
A policy.

1326
01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:34,380
You can make an ethics policy that has to deal with that.

1327
01:02:34,699 --> 01:02:35,380
You just can't.

1328
01:02:35,380 --> 01:02:39,639
You can't go under what the state recommends or what the state has put forward.

1329
01:02:39,780 --> 01:02:40,860
But you can exceed it.

1330
01:02:40,860 --> 01:02:41,159
Right.

1331
01:02:41,619 --> 01:02:41,840
Okay.

1332
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:42,639
So my point is.

1333
01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:43,760
Because I think it's legal.

1334
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:44,260
We do.

1335
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,679
Because ethically, this is an ethics issue.

1336
01:02:46,860 --> 01:02:48,800
But I'm not 100%.

1337
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:53,280
And I apologize that my language might be a little stern.

1338
01:02:53,579 --> 01:02:55,960
Because it's the first time down the road.

1339
01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:07,099
But I hope that everybody understands that whether I dot my I's and cross my T's, I'm trying to go forward and make this happen.

1340
01:03:07,699 --> 01:03:10,300
This isn't something that we've ever done.

1341
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:12,519
You know, we want to make sure that the language.

1342
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:14,340
Is good when it goes down the road.

1343
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:15,559
The bottom line is.

1344
01:03:15,780 --> 01:03:16,760
I agree.

1345
01:03:17,079 --> 01:03:18,000
And so does in the board.

1346
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:18,920
We just voted on that.

1347
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,960
I think you guys have a good plan moving forward.

1348
01:03:21,179 --> 01:03:23,579
You know, nothing compared to the ice cream shop.

1349
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:24,880
Exactly.

1350
01:03:26,380 --> 01:03:26,699
Exactly.

1351
01:03:27,099 --> 01:03:29,019
Nothing compared to what's happening in Pennsylvania.

1352
01:03:29,019 --> 01:03:29,900
That was a lot.

1353
01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:30,599
Thank you.

1354
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:31,960
Thanks.

1355
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:34,119
Is there anything you want to say?

1356
01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:35,059
Thank you.

1357
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:36,559
Please vote on it.

1358
01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:37,380
I'm not voting.

1359
01:03:38,380 --> 01:03:39,139
You did vote on it.

1360
01:03:39,139 --> 01:03:41,679
But I would vote on what you said there.

1361
01:03:42,059 --> 01:03:42,079
If.

1362
01:03:42,699 --> 01:03:44,780
Because you changed it to look into it.

1363
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:45,820
I agree with that.

1364
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:47,079
I amended it.

1365
01:03:47,219 --> 01:03:50,239
I'll make a motion to amend it to look into it as long as it's legal.

1366
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:51,659
I agree with it.

1367
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:52,760
Oh, it's going to be legal.

1368
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,340
What if you see the signboard?

1369
01:03:56,340 --> 01:03:57,340
That you will have to.

1370
01:03:58,219 --> 01:03:58,940
And it's out.

1371
01:03:59,239 --> 01:04:01,079
And our motion is to look into it.

1372
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:02,900
I just want to say.

1373
01:04:03,179 --> 01:04:05,320
If it's not legal, of course we can't do it.

1374
01:04:05,460 --> 01:04:05,980
So, yeah, right.

1375
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:08,199
If it's legal, which I believe it is.

1376
01:04:08,199 --> 01:04:11,260
If it's legal, then you're.

1377
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:12,300
Then it automatically.

1378
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:13,300
It gets pushed forward.

1379
01:04:13,380 --> 01:04:16,139
Or do you have to vote again to say that.

1380
01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:18,039
That's a good point.

1381
01:04:18,139 --> 01:04:18,519
Yeah.

1382
01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:18,800
Yeah.

1383
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:20,599
If you.

1384
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:21,500
Because then that was.

1385
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:22,900
That's a good point.

1386
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,320
If it is legal.

1387
01:04:26,980 --> 01:04:30,400
We'll deal with that when it comes out.

1388
01:04:31,340 --> 01:04:33,219
I don't think you should deal with it when it comes out.

1389
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,699
Because I don't think you're going to have this conversation all the time.

1390
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:37,780
It will be a policy.

1391
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:38,719
We'll bring the policy.

1392
01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:39,179
Perfect.

1393
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:40,760
Thanks.

1394
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:41,619
No problem.

1395
01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:43,300
Are we okay?

1396
01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:47,300
Do you have a second on your amended motion to look into it and make sure it's legal?

1397
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:48,300
I second.

1398
01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:49,300
Okay.

1399
01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:52,659
It's legal that the two positions don't coexist.

1400
01:04:52,659 --> 01:04:54,070
It's not that the positions coexist.

1401
01:04:54,070 --> 01:04:55,070
It means that the same person can't hold both the positions.

1402
01:04:55,070 --> 01:04:56,070
I don't think it's going to be an issue in the next year.

1403
01:04:56,070 --> 01:04:57,070
I don't think it's going to be an issue in the next year.

1404
01:04:57,300 --> 01:05:28,900
I think we're going to have an issue with having somebody that's put a lot of years

1405
01:05:28,900 --> 01:05:29,900
into the town and has been dedicated.

1406
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:30,900
That's not an issue.

1407
01:05:30,900 --> 01:05:31,900
That's not an issue.

1408
01:05:31,900 --> 01:05:32,900
That's not an issue.

1409
01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:33,900
That's an issue.

1410
01:05:33,900 --> 01:05:34,900
That's not an issue.

1411
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:36,059
I think she means well for the town.

1412
01:05:36,059 --> 01:05:37,059
Don't disagree.

1413
01:05:37,059 --> 01:05:44,059
Nobody says that she's doing it maliciously, which I want to make sure that everybody understands

1414
01:05:44,059 --> 01:05:45,059
that.

1415
01:05:45,059 --> 01:05:50,059
Like, I am not going after her saying that she wholeheartedly had an agenda against Peter

1416
01:05:50,059 --> 01:05:51,059
Greenbush.

1417
01:05:51,059 --> 01:05:52,059
No, that's not my thing.

1418
01:05:52,059 --> 01:05:57,059
The whole thing is that it's just a conflict of interest regardless of who holds that position.

1419
01:05:57,059 --> 01:06:01,059
And I know somebody would take over both positions tomorrow.

1420
01:06:01,059 --> 01:06:04,059
So, I mean, I don't want to go down there.

1421
01:06:04,059 --> 01:06:05,059
Hold up.

1422
01:06:05,059 --> 01:06:06,059
Right.

1423
01:06:06,059 --> 01:06:07,059
I think we're on the path to going in the right direction.

1424
01:06:07,059 --> 01:06:14,059
I just want to ask Dad something because you've been on the Board of Civil Authority for a

1425
01:06:14,059 --> 01:06:15,059
while.

1426
01:06:15,059 --> 01:06:16,059
Fifteen, thirteen of us?

1427
01:06:16,059 --> 01:06:17,190
Twelve?

1428
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:23,190
This has never come up, talking about conflict of interest on the Board when we had a BCA

1429
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:24,190
hearing?

1430
01:06:24,190 --> 01:06:25,989
No, we...

1431
01:06:25,989 --> 01:06:26,989
At the Board meeting.

1432
01:06:26,989 --> 01:06:27,989
Nope.

1433
01:06:27,989 --> 01:06:28,989
I was only on for one year.

1434
01:06:28,989 --> 01:06:29,989
Okay.

1435
01:06:29,989 --> 01:06:31,019
All right.

1436
01:06:31,019 --> 01:06:32,019
And we...

1437
01:06:32,019 --> 01:06:33,019
I was maybe involved in...

1438
01:06:33,019 --> 01:06:34,019
Three meetings?

1439
01:06:34,019 --> 01:06:35,019
But, no.

1440
01:06:35,019 --> 01:06:36,150
At that time...

1441
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:37,150
You've been there longer.

1442
01:06:37,150 --> 01:06:38,150
Lori spent...

1443
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:39,150
Lori would probably be...

1444
01:06:39,150 --> 01:06:40,150
Not during any of those meetings has it ever come up.

1445
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:41,150
Not during the meeting.

1446
01:06:41,150 --> 01:06:42,150
We just never, never crossed any of our minds.

1447
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:43,150
Well, I think that happens a lot with what we've been going through in the past several

1448
01:06:43,150 --> 01:06:44,150
years.

1449
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:45,150
We are evolving as a group.

1450
01:06:45,150 --> 01:06:46,150
And there's a lot of input.

1451
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:47,150
A lot of people care.

1452
01:06:47,150 --> 01:06:48,150
There's a lot of...

1453
01:06:48,150 --> 01:06:49,150
There's a lot of...

1454
01:06:49,150 --> 01:06:50,150
There's a lot of...

1455
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:51,150
There's a lot of...

1456
01:06:51,150 --> 01:06:52,150
There's a lot of...

1457
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:53,150
There's a lot of...

1458
01:06:53,150 --> 01:06:54,150
There's a lot of...

1459
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:55,150
There's a lot of...

1460
01:06:55,150 --> 01:06:56,150
There's a lot of...

1461
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:57,150
There's a lot of...

1462
01:06:57,150 --> 01:06:58,150
There's a lot of...

1463
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:59,150
There's a lot of...

1464
01:06:59,150 --> 01:07:00,150
There's a lot of...

1465
01:07:00,150 --> 01:07:01,150
A lot of people care enough to make things...

1466
01:07:01,150 --> 01:07:02,150
Right.

1467
01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:03,150
Right.

1468
01:07:03,150 --> 01:07:04,150
Stuff that we don't know and didn't know.

1469
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:05,150
We have gone through...

1470
01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:06,150
Look at the zoning position.

1471
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:07,150
Sure.

1472
01:07:07,150 --> 01:07:08,150
There's been other issues where we said, well, that's the way it's always been.

1473
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:09,150
And it was wrong.

1474
01:07:09,150 --> 01:07:10,150
Exactly.

1475
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:11,150
Ooh.

1476
01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:12,150
Yes.

1477
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:13,150
Say that.

1478
01:07:13,150 --> 01:07:14,150
Yes.

1479
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:15,150
Yeah.

1480
01:07:15,150 --> 01:07:16,250
No, I agree.

1481
01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:17,250
And I think it's the testament to...

1482
01:07:17,250 --> 01:07:18,250
You know...

1483
01:07:18,250 --> 01:07:19,250
Yes.

1484
01:07:19,250 --> 01:07:20,250
One more.

1485
01:07:20,250 --> 01:07:21,250
I'm just going to...

1486
01:07:21,250 --> 01:07:22,250
Were you willing to be...

1487
01:07:22,250 --> 01:07:23,250
Yeah.

1488
01:07:23,250 --> 01:07:24,250
Are you willing to be...

1489
01:07:24,250 --> 01:07:25,250
Well, one or three.

1490
01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:26,250
Okay.

1491
01:07:26,250 --> 01:07:27,250
More.

1492
01:07:27,250 --> 01:07:31,250
some of us got this room kind of big enough for the two of us

1493
01:07:31,250 --> 01:07:41,789
did we officially vote?

1494
01:07:41,789 --> 01:07:50,380
can I answer a second?

1495
01:07:50,380 --> 01:07:52,380
alright special

1496
01:07:52,380 --> 01:07:55,340
did we move on?

1497
01:07:55,340 --> 01:07:57,340
we're going to be working on

1498
01:07:57,340 --> 01:07:59,340
while we're at conflict of interest

1499
01:07:59,340 --> 01:08:01,340
we need to appoint an ethics liaison

1500
01:08:01,340 --> 01:08:03,539
officer

1501
01:08:03,539 --> 01:08:05,539
I brought it up last meeting

1502
01:08:05,539 --> 01:08:07,539
and I

1503
01:08:07,539 --> 01:08:09,539
but I didn't appoint you I just

1504
01:08:09,539 --> 01:08:11,539
thought

1505
01:08:11,539 --> 01:08:13,539
we should let Kurt

1506
01:08:13,539 --> 01:08:15,539
I think we should

1507
01:08:15,539 --> 01:08:17,539
when do we need to do this first of the year?

1508
01:08:17,539 --> 01:08:19,539
I would like to have Kurt in the room when we do that

1509
01:08:19,539 --> 01:08:21,539
it might be a good idea

1510
01:08:21,539 --> 01:08:23,539
I know one guy doesn't want to do it

1511
01:08:23,539 --> 01:08:25,539
I know one guy doesn't want to do it

1512
01:08:25,539 --> 01:08:27,699
oh no okay

1513
01:08:27,699 --> 01:08:31,649
that's fine

1514
01:08:31,649 --> 01:08:35,890
Laura you had some

1515
01:08:35,890 --> 01:08:37,890
we're good?

1516
01:08:37,890 --> 01:08:39,890
yep

1517
01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:42,300
special town meeting

1518
01:08:42,300 --> 01:08:46,579
it was held on December 9

1519
01:08:46,579 --> 01:08:50,050
3 minutes

1520
01:08:50,050 --> 01:08:52,050
did you get the truck in or no?

1521
01:08:52,050 --> 01:08:54,050
it's coming Monday

1522
01:08:54,050 --> 01:08:56,050
that's only because I was late

1523
01:08:56,050 --> 01:08:58,050
I had to get a chair

1524
01:08:58,050 --> 01:09:00,239
yep

1525
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:03,140
but we will have

1526
01:09:03,140 --> 01:09:05,140
to ratify the vote

1527
01:09:05,140 --> 01:09:07,199
on

1528
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:09,199
when we have our regular

1529
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:11,199
town meeting in March we will have to

1530
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:13,199
ratify the vote

1531
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:16,260
pursuant

1532
01:09:16,260 --> 01:09:18,260
it has to be readopted

1533
01:09:18,260 --> 01:09:20,260
ratified or confirmed

1534
01:09:20,260 --> 01:09:22,800
and

1535
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,800
the LCT said we could wait

1536
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,800
until the March meeting

1537
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,800
and not hold a special meeting

1538
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,829
because one of the

1539
01:09:30,829 --> 01:09:32,829
advertising requirements was not met

1540
01:09:32,829 --> 01:09:34,829
we screwed up on the screw up

1541
01:09:34,829 --> 01:09:36,829
we screwed up on the screw up

1542
01:09:36,829 --> 01:09:40,689
you mean our

1543
01:09:40,689 --> 01:09:42,689
just this last election?

1544
01:09:42,689 --> 01:09:44,689
what's that?

1545
01:09:44,689 --> 01:09:46,689
no the fire truck one

1546
01:09:46,689 --> 01:09:48,689
oh the fire truck

1547
01:09:48,689 --> 01:09:50,689
we screwed up on the screw up

1548
01:09:50,689 --> 01:09:52,689
but we don't really need to have a special town meeting

1549
01:09:52,689 --> 01:09:54,689
because I think that the people spoke during the meeting

1550
01:09:54,689 --> 01:09:56,689
they spoke one time

1551
01:09:56,689 --> 01:09:58,689
one time

1552
01:09:58,689 --> 01:10:00,689
yay

1553
01:10:00,689 --> 01:10:02,689
two yays so we're good

1554
01:10:02,689 --> 01:10:06,930
no nays

1555
01:10:06,930 --> 01:10:08,930
anything else on that Lori?

1556
01:10:08,930 --> 01:10:11,149
I think we're good

1557
01:10:11,149 --> 01:10:15,779
correspondence

1558
01:10:15,779 --> 01:10:17,779
so our auditors have

1559
01:10:17,779 --> 01:10:19,779
sent to us the engagement letter

1560
01:10:19,779 --> 01:10:21,779
for the 2025 audit

1561
01:10:21,779 --> 01:10:23,779
we're not ready to schedule an

1562
01:10:23,779 --> 01:10:25,779
appointment to come here yet

1563
01:10:25,779 --> 01:10:27,779
we'd like to wait until the year ends

1564
01:10:27,779 --> 01:10:29,779
and everything is situated

1565
01:10:29,779 --> 01:10:31,779
and folks before coming

1566
01:10:31,779 --> 01:10:33,779
so like last year we may not

1567
01:10:33,779 --> 01:10:35,779
have the fund balance figures

1568
01:10:35,779 --> 01:10:37,779
by town meeting like we're used to

1569
01:10:37,779 --> 01:10:41,789
but um

1570
01:10:41,789 --> 01:10:43,789
the price this year is $26,500

1571
01:10:43,789 --> 01:10:45,789
oh we knew that before

1572
01:10:45,789 --> 01:10:47,789
didn't we?

1573
01:10:47,789 --> 01:10:51,710
so it's a duplicate copy

1574
01:10:51,710 --> 01:10:54,260
so they will have one

1575
01:10:54,260 --> 01:10:57,310
or we will have one

1576
01:10:57,310 --> 01:10:59,340
didn't we sign this

1577
01:10:59,340 --> 01:11:01,340
didn't we sign this last time

1578
01:11:01,340 --> 01:11:03,340
to we had to take two years

1579
01:11:03,340 --> 01:11:05,340
yeah

1580
01:11:05,340 --> 01:11:07,340
more than one of us

1581
01:11:07,340 --> 01:11:09,409
when they accepted

1582
01:11:09,409 --> 01:11:11,409
well all four of you should

1583
01:11:11,409 --> 01:11:42,430
they gave you three lines

1584
01:11:42,430 --> 01:11:44,430
last year talked to us and

1585
01:11:44,430 --> 01:12:01,409
explained a few things

1586
01:12:31,869 --> 01:12:33,869
for you guys to know

1587
01:12:33,869 --> 01:12:35,869
we're going to send out our

1588
01:12:35,869 --> 01:12:37,869
hauler renewal paperwork

1589
01:12:37,869 --> 01:12:39,939
for 2025

1590
01:12:39,939 --> 01:12:41,939
so I'm going to begin with that

1591
01:12:41,939 --> 01:12:45,220
is that a hauler you say?

1592
01:12:45,220 --> 01:12:47,220
the haulers

1593
01:12:47,220 --> 01:12:49,439
like um

1594
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,439
Del Molino and Casella

1595
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,720
people who pick up trash

1596
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,720
they have to be filed

1597
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,720
with the state

1598
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,720
and with us

1599
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:11,359
by the time

1600
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:13,359
I was appointed the resident

1601
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:15,359
representative district

1602
01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:20,430
the house of representative

1603
01:13:20,430 --> 01:13:22,430
seat

1604
01:13:22,430 --> 01:13:24,430
there was a challenge

1605
01:13:24,430 --> 01:13:26,529
a petition was filed with the state

1606
01:13:26,529 --> 01:13:28,659
I had a four page

1607
01:13:28,659 --> 01:13:30,659
16 question letter

1608
01:13:30,659 --> 01:13:32,659
that I had to answer

1609
01:13:32,659 --> 01:13:34,659
concerning the election

1610
01:13:34,659 --> 01:13:37,520
how it

1611
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,520
how the process and everything about it

1612
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,520
it followed up with me today

1613
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,619
in a 30 to 40

1614
01:13:43,619 --> 01:13:45,619
minute phone call with more

1615
01:13:45,619 --> 01:13:47,619
questions they had

1616
01:13:47,619 --> 01:13:49,619
they told me I may have to

1617
01:13:49,619 --> 01:13:51,619
testify in front of the legislature

1618
01:13:51,619 --> 01:13:53,619
and answer questions if

1619
01:13:53,619 --> 01:13:55,619
needed I don't know if it will

1620
01:13:55,619 --> 01:13:57,619
come to that

1621
01:13:57,619 --> 01:14:00,100
they have to do

1622
01:14:00,100 --> 01:14:02,100
an entire investigation

1623
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:04,100
and make a report to the

1624
01:14:04,100 --> 01:14:06,100
legislature who will at that point

1625
01:14:06,100 --> 01:14:08,100
decide will there be

1626
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:10,100
a re-vote for that seat

1627
01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:12,159
and what it will look like

1628
01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:14,159
if all five of

1629
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,159
our towns will have to do a re-vote

1630
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:18,159
if just Pono will re-vote

1631
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:20,159
if only the people

1632
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:22,159
that were affected

1633
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:24,159
balance will re-vote

1634
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:26,670
I don't know how they

1635
01:14:26,670 --> 01:14:30,779
will end up doing it

1636
01:14:30,779 --> 01:14:34,100
we'll have to wait and see

1637
01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:36,100
yeah it's really involved

1638
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:38,100
I spent hours

1639
01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:40,100
just trying to answer all the questions

1640
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:42,100
that they

1641
01:14:42,100 --> 01:14:44,100
gave me and

1642
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:47,470
I don't think me as

1643
01:14:47,470 --> 01:14:49,470
representative clerk really

1644
01:14:49,470 --> 01:14:51,470
has anything to do with

1645
01:14:51,470 --> 01:14:54,979
error but I guess

1646
01:14:54,979 --> 01:14:56,979
I'm the one in charge of all

1647
01:14:56,979 --> 01:15:04,449
of it somehow

1648
01:15:04,449 --> 01:15:06,449
so I wanted you to know that

1649
01:15:06,449 --> 01:15:08,449
as in the works I have no idea where it will go

1650
01:15:08,449 --> 01:15:10,449
they do not know

1651
01:15:10,449 --> 01:15:13,060
if at this point

1652
01:15:13,060 --> 01:15:15,060
when the legislative session starts

1653
01:15:15,060 --> 01:15:17,060
in January if they will

1654
01:15:17,060 --> 01:15:19,060
allow Jonathan Cooper to sit

1655
01:15:19,060 --> 01:15:21,470
because it's been

1656
01:15:21,470 --> 01:15:23,699
challenged but if they

1657
01:15:23,699 --> 01:15:25,760
don't then

1658
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,760
we have no representation

1659
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,819
and that's really

1660
01:15:29,819 --> 01:15:31,819
not a good thing either

1661
01:15:31,819 --> 01:15:33,819
they allow both of them to sit

1662
01:15:33,819 --> 01:15:36,079
until it's resolved

1663
01:15:38,619 --> 01:15:40,619
yeah I don't know I mean at this point

1664
01:15:40,619 --> 01:15:42,619
he's been declared the winner

1665
01:15:42,619 --> 01:15:44,979
until it changes

1666
01:15:44,979 --> 01:15:47,649
but and this is

1667
01:15:47,649 --> 01:15:50,029
I don't know if this has

1668
01:15:50,029 --> 01:15:52,029
ever happened before

1669
01:15:52,029 --> 01:15:54,029
she said like

1670
01:15:54,029 --> 01:15:56,029
1979

1671
01:15:56,029 --> 01:15:58,029
what was the voter spread

1672
01:15:58,029 --> 01:16:00,699
was it pretty small

1673
01:16:00,699 --> 01:16:02,699
25 I think

1674
01:16:02,699 --> 01:16:04,699
25

1675
01:16:04,699 --> 01:16:06,699
I agree with you

1676
01:16:06,699 --> 01:16:08,699
it's simple

1677
01:16:08,699 --> 01:16:10,699
listen go back to

1678
01:16:10,699 --> 01:16:12,699
the original if you're out on military

1679
01:16:12,699 --> 01:16:14,699
if you're out

1680
01:16:14,699 --> 01:16:16,699
yeah if you're out of town like you're a snow bird

1681
01:16:16,699 --> 01:16:18,699
whatever the case may be

1682
01:16:18,699 --> 01:16:20,699
everybody the whole state

1683
01:16:20,699 --> 01:16:22,699
getting a ballot listen I knew it was going to be

1684
01:16:22,699 --> 01:16:24,699
something was coming something was happening

1685
01:16:24,699 --> 01:16:26,699
the dead people got them

1686
01:16:26,699 --> 01:16:28,699
no

1687
01:16:28,699 --> 01:16:30,699
it's happening

1688
01:16:30,699 --> 01:16:32,699
throughout the whole country this is happening

1689
01:16:32,699 --> 01:16:34,699
I got the wilds ballots

1690
01:16:34,699 --> 01:16:36,699
and honestly I burnt them

1691
01:16:36,699 --> 01:16:38,699
damn right I did

1692
01:16:38,699 --> 01:16:40,699
but that's amazing

1693
01:16:40,699 --> 01:16:42,699
but you could have voted too

1694
01:16:42,699 --> 01:16:44,699
well no because you have to come in

1695
01:16:44,699 --> 01:16:46,699
when you had to check in but my point was

1696
01:16:46,699 --> 01:16:48,699
is that like anybody could get

1697
01:16:48,699 --> 01:16:50,699
I don't know I'm not saying that anything was

1698
01:16:50,699 --> 01:16:52,699
going to happen

1699
01:16:52,699 --> 01:16:54,699
what happens

1700
01:16:54,699 --> 01:16:56,699
I think they're still recorded

1701
01:16:56,699 --> 01:16:58,699
they're not on the checklist

1702
01:16:58,699 --> 01:17:00,699
oh yeah yeah yeah

1703
01:17:00,699 --> 01:17:02,699
they were still on the checklist nobody knew that they died

1704
01:17:02,699 --> 01:17:04,699
right because people

1705
01:17:04,699 --> 01:17:06,699
yeah but I think that's

1706
01:17:06,699 --> 01:17:08,699
I would assume that the ballot would have

1707
01:17:08,699 --> 01:17:10,699
some representation of who was

1708
01:17:10,699 --> 01:17:12,699
voting on it if they sent them out

1709
01:17:12,699 --> 01:17:14,699
to everybody because

1710
01:17:14,699 --> 01:17:16,699
if you didn't send them in you had to

1711
01:17:16,699 --> 01:17:18,699
bring them in when you voted

1712
01:17:18,699 --> 01:17:20,699
right but if the wilds like

1713
01:17:20,699 --> 01:17:22,699
say it was one year ago

1714
01:17:22,699 --> 01:17:24,699
you know it wasn't

1715
01:17:24,699 --> 01:17:26,699
challenged yet

1716
01:17:26,699 --> 01:17:28,699
even if they didn't die they just moved

1717
01:17:28,699 --> 01:17:30,739
and then it comes in and it could

1718
01:17:30,739 --> 01:17:32,739
possibly still be on a ballot

1719
01:17:32,739 --> 01:17:34,739
and they would have to

1720
01:17:34,739 --> 01:17:36,739
legally count that like they

1721
01:17:36,739 --> 01:17:38,739
couldn't make that decision not to

1722
01:17:38,739 --> 01:17:40,739
because they've already gone through all the

1723
01:17:40,739 --> 01:17:42,739
challenges right

1724
01:17:42,739 --> 01:17:44,739
it's a big

1725
01:17:44,739 --> 01:17:46,739
like you said

1726
01:17:46,739 --> 01:17:48,739
just make everybody go and vote

1727
01:17:48,739 --> 01:17:50,739
you need to do early voting do early voting

1728
01:17:50,739 --> 01:17:52,739
whatever you need to do but no more

1729
01:17:52,739 --> 01:17:54,739
mail-in ballots

1730
01:17:54,739 --> 01:17:56,739
you do when people move

1731
01:17:56,739 --> 01:17:58,739
they left Stanford

1732
01:17:58,739 --> 01:18:00,739
two years ago

1733
01:18:00,739 --> 01:18:02,739
so I have to send them a

1734
01:18:02,739 --> 01:18:04,739
written letter asking them

1735
01:18:04,739 --> 01:18:06,739
do you still live in Stanford or have you

1736
01:18:06,739 --> 01:18:08,739
really moved and can I

1737
01:18:08,739 --> 01:18:10,739
this is kind of a

1738
01:18:10,739 --> 01:18:12,739
they don't have the

1739
01:18:12,739 --> 01:18:14,739
authority I don't

1740
01:18:14,739 --> 01:18:16,739
and if it's an apartment it's even harder

1741
01:18:16,739 --> 01:18:18,739
so the reason why I ask this is I think I have

1742
01:18:18,739 --> 01:18:20,739
two of my kids that are on

1743
01:18:20,739 --> 01:18:22,739
the ballots here I know this one

1744
01:18:22,739 --> 01:18:24,739
either one of them live in

1745
01:18:24,739 --> 01:18:26,739
well we have many

1746
01:18:26,739 --> 01:18:28,739
do we challenge them we don't know if we challenge them

1747
01:18:28,739 --> 01:18:30,739
they can vote but I'm just saying

1748
01:18:30,739 --> 01:18:32,739
well it doesn't matter but the point is they're on

1749
01:18:32,739 --> 01:18:34,739
this one and they're on the town they live in

1750
01:18:34,739 --> 01:18:36,739
right that's the federal

1751
01:18:36,739 --> 01:18:38,739
so they're voting in their town

1752
01:18:38,739 --> 01:18:40,739
once they register in that new town

1753
01:18:40,739 --> 01:18:42,739
with the computer stuff now

1754
01:18:42,739 --> 01:18:44,739
it sends me an email to kick them off

1755
01:18:44,739 --> 01:18:46,739
but if they don't register

1756
01:18:46,739 --> 01:18:48,739
it's a

1757
01:18:48,739 --> 01:18:50,739
so

1758
01:18:50,739 --> 01:18:52,739
same day in this town

1759
01:18:52,739 --> 01:18:54,739
my daughter voted

1760
01:18:54,739 --> 01:18:56,739
in North Adams and she's out

1761
01:18:56,739 --> 01:18:58,739
I think so

1762
01:18:58,739 --> 01:19:00,739
so it didn't go through yet

1763
01:19:00,739 --> 01:19:02,739
it's got to go up to the state and back to

1764
01:19:02,739 --> 01:19:04,739
if it's a different state

1765
01:19:04,739 --> 01:19:07,920
my daughter lives in Arizona

1766
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,920
she didn't vote in both places

1767
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:11,920
I don't think

1768
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,920
but it could be done

1769
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,920
because like I said you could come in here day one

1770
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,920
right after election day

1771
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,920
and say I want to register

1772
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:21,949
register vote

1773
01:19:21,949 --> 01:19:23,949
and get away with it

1774
01:19:23,949 --> 01:19:25,949
even though it could be challenged

1775
01:19:25,949 --> 01:19:27,949
but who's going

1776
01:19:27,949 --> 01:19:29,949
how do you know

1777
01:19:29,949 --> 01:19:31,949
I'm chapter one

1778
01:19:31,949 --> 01:19:33,949
and he wouldn't sign the affidavit

1779
01:19:33,949 --> 01:19:36,180
that he lived here

1780
01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:38,180
if he lived here

1781
01:19:38,180 --> 01:19:40,180
he'd sign the affidavit

1782
01:19:40,180 --> 01:19:42,180
and he wouldn't sign it

1783
01:19:42,180 --> 01:19:44,460
we have people in this town that don't live here

1784
01:19:44,460 --> 01:19:46,590
100%

1785
01:19:46,590 --> 01:19:49,010
not just kids either

1786
01:19:49,010 --> 01:19:51,010
they don't live in town

1787
01:19:51,010 --> 01:19:53,010
they live in a different town

1788
01:19:53,010 --> 01:19:55,010
but their mailing address is up there

1789
01:19:55,010 --> 01:19:57,010
but they register through DMV too

1790
01:19:57,010 --> 01:19:59,010
so they could do that

1791
01:19:59,010 --> 01:20:01,010
do you check off that DMV

1792
01:20:01,010 --> 01:20:03,010
do you read what you're checking off

1793
01:20:03,010 --> 01:20:05,010
I'm a registered voter

1794
01:20:05,010 --> 01:20:08,319
I'm just amazed at the amount of voters that's passed

1795
01:20:08,319 --> 01:20:13,810
87% instead of

1796
01:20:13,810 --> 01:20:15,810
mail ballots

1797
01:20:15,810 --> 01:20:17,810
that's amazing

1798
01:20:17,810 --> 01:20:19,810
you're right it doesn't hurt

1799
01:20:19,810 --> 01:20:21,810
it's the way it should be

1800
01:20:21,810 --> 01:20:23,810
I don't believe there was very few

1801
01:20:23,810 --> 01:20:25,810
like any

1802
01:20:25,810 --> 01:20:27,810
people that weren't living here

1803
01:20:27,810 --> 01:20:29,810
one or two that might have been

1804
01:20:29,810 --> 01:20:31,810
college kids or something

1805
01:20:31,810 --> 01:20:33,810
but other than that I think it's pretty honest

1806
01:20:33,810 --> 01:20:35,810
like I said that's unheard of

1807
01:20:35,810 --> 01:20:37,810
that just doesn't happen

1808
01:20:37,810 --> 01:20:39,810
not in small towns

1809
01:20:39,810 --> 01:20:41,810
I think in small towns we know everybody

1810
01:20:41,810 --> 01:20:44,449
well Laurie knows everybody now

1811
01:20:44,449 --> 01:20:46,449
they get 40%

1812
01:20:46,449 --> 01:20:48,449
that's a huge

1813
01:20:48,449 --> 01:20:50,449
yeah

1814
01:20:50,449 --> 01:20:52,449
25%

1815
01:20:52,449 --> 01:20:54,699
that's what we know

1816
01:20:54,699 --> 01:20:56,699
ok anything else Laurie under correspondence

1817
01:20:56,699 --> 01:20:58,699
no

1818
01:20:58,699 --> 01:21:00,699
you sent something to

1819
01:21:00,699 --> 01:21:02,699
the select board

1820
01:21:02,699 --> 01:21:04,699
about the

1821
01:21:04,699 --> 01:21:06,989
the job group

1822
01:21:06,989 --> 01:21:08,989
a few weeks ago

1823
01:21:08,989 --> 01:21:10,989
about the permits

1824
01:21:10,989 --> 01:21:12,989
yes I did receive a final approval

1825
01:21:12,989 --> 01:21:14,989
for them just this week

1826
01:21:14,989 --> 01:21:17,279
yeah

1827
01:21:17,279 --> 01:21:19,279
so we had to sign off on

1828
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:21,819
permits for Teegians

1829
01:21:21,819 --> 01:21:34,220
put something in a box tonight

1830
01:21:34,220 --> 01:21:39,359
about forest service

1831
01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:41,359
they want us to hang that map up

1832
01:21:41,359 --> 01:21:43,359
the timber sales

1833
01:21:43,359 --> 01:21:46,130
area

1834
01:21:46,130 --> 01:21:49,439
in two different areas

1835
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,439
it's off of county road

1836
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,439
it looks like it's

1837
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:57,300
beyond Klondike

1838
01:21:57,300 --> 01:22:00,260
south of county

1839
01:22:00,260 --> 01:22:02,420
and then north of county

1840
01:22:02,420 --> 01:22:04,420
but it's all beyond Klondike and it looks like it

1841
01:22:04,420 --> 01:22:06,739
goes behind

1842
01:22:06,739 --> 01:22:09,090
Mr. Jowett's property too there

1843
01:22:09,090 --> 01:22:11,090
yeah

1844
01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:13,180
and what do they want us to do

1845
01:22:13,180 --> 01:22:15,180
I didn't read it

1846
01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:17,180
just post up

1847
01:22:17,180 --> 01:22:19,180
somewhere around

1848
01:22:19,180 --> 01:22:21,180
we had that out before

1849
01:22:21,180 --> 01:22:23,180
it's been marked for years

1850
01:22:23,180 --> 01:22:25,180
just

1851
01:22:25,180 --> 01:22:27,180
yeah

1852
01:22:28,850 --> 01:22:30,850
oh

1853
01:22:30,850 --> 01:22:32,850
well it may include plowing

1854
01:22:32,850 --> 01:22:34,850
a section of county road

1855
01:22:34,850 --> 01:22:36,850
so maybe he doesn't have to

1856
01:22:36,850 --> 01:22:39,489
do as much as he thought he

1857
01:22:39,489 --> 01:22:44,750
am I posting this

1858
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:46,750
maybe sending both landlords up there

1859
01:22:46,750 --> 01:22:48,750
they'll help us

1860
01:22:48,750 --> 01:22:50,750
is it for a bid or is it for

1861
01:22:50,750 --> 01:22:52,750
you can put the minimum bid in on it

1862
01:22:52,750 --> 01:22:54,750
I mean I think it was all pulp

1863
01:22:54,750 --> 01:22:56,750
pretty much firewood or pulp

1864
01:22:56,750 --> 01:22:58,750
or are they actively cutting in

1865
01:22:58,750 --> 01:23:00,750
and letting some of their cutting in

1866
01:23:00,750 --> 01:23:02,750
no they're not cutting in

1867
01:23:02,750 --> 01:23:04,750
they're putting it out

1868
01:23:04,750 --> 01:23:06,750
timber sale will be active this winter

1869
01:23:06,750 --> 01:23:08,750
they tally those words

1870
01:23:08,750 --> 01:23:10,750
yeah we got that

1871
01:23:10,750 --> 01:23:12,750
it's all wearing off now

1872
01:23:12,750 --> 01:23:15,779
I'm not sure they did that 10 years ago

1873
01:23:15,779 --> 01:23:17,810
they just can't

1874
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:19,810
there's nothing there that's worth

1875
01:23:19,810 --> 01:23:21,810
good luck trying to solve pulp right now

1876
01:23:21,810 --> 01:23:23,810
yeah no one really wanted to cut it

1877
01:23:23,810 --> 01:23:26,189
and plus it was like a winter cop

1878
01:23:26,189 --> 01:23:28,449
so

1879
01:23:28,449 --> 01:23:32,850
yeah

1880
01:23:32,850 --> 01:23:34,850
minimalized destruction of forests

1881
01:23:34,850 --> 01:23:44,880
did those log trucks

1882
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:46,880
do any damage to the

1883
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:48,880
what a mess

1884
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,880
I shut them down the other day

1885
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,880
because what were there four that went up

1886
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,880
yeah and I shut them down again today

1887
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:56,880
okay

1888
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,880
wide loads

1889
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,909
no flagging no nothing

1890
01:24:00,909 --> 01:24:04,189
I bet they cut the truck

1891
01:24:04,189 --> 01:24:06,189
because obviously it was 50 degree

1892
01:24:06,189 --> 01:24:08,189
and everything was getting soft

1893
01:24:08,189 --> 01:24:10,420
and I told them to come back when it froze up

1894
01:24:10,420 --> 01:24:12,420
but they showed up today

1895
01:24:12,420 --> 01:24:14,420
and there was a section there by the caves

1896
01:24:14,420 --> 01:24:16,420
it was already getting soft

1897
01:24:16,420 --> 01:24:19,500
I told them no

1898
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:22,369
you can't come when it's froze

1899
01:24:22,369 --> 01:24:29,710
they respect it

1900
01:24:29,710 --> 01:24:33,279
anything else Laurie new or old

1901
01:24:33,279 --> 01:24:35,859
okay

1902
01:24:35,859 --> 01:24:37,859
Jim is old

1903
01:24:37,859 --> 01:24:53,899
this is the fiber thing

1904
01:24:53,899 --> 01:24:55,899
we had an hour of money

1905
01:24:55,899 --> 01:24:58,260
and $7500

1906
01:24:58,260 --> 01:25:01,729
we talked about

1907
01:25:01,729 --> 01:25:03,729
did we ever decide can we

1908
01:25:03,729 --> 01:25:05,729
what we can do it with

1909
01:25:05,729 --> 01:25:07,729
I would like to get that done

1910
01:25:07,729 --> 01:25:09,729
before the first of the year

1911
01:25:09,729 --> 01:25:11,729
we were talking about throwing it towards something that Dave has

1912
01:25:11,729 --> 01:25:14,079
yeah

1913
01:25:14,079 --> 01:25:16,079
so we should be getting $7500 back from

1914
01:25:16,079 --> 01:25:18,079
DV Fiber

1915
01:25:18,079 --> 01:25:20,079
have you heard anything close to that I have not okay

1916
01:25:20,079 --> 01:25:22,079
we need to designate it before the end of the month

1917
01:25:22,079 --> 01:25:24,079
we've got to designate it before the end of the month

1918
01:25:24,079 --> 01:25:26,079
$7500

1919
01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:28,079
what do you want to throw it at

1920
01:25:28,079 --> 01:25:30,079
how about the town garage

1921
01:25:30,079 --> 01:25:32,079
the doors of the town garage

1922
01:25:32,079 --> 01:25:35,199
I'm sure we can easily

1923
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:37,550
something he's done on that

1924
01:25:37,550 --> 01:25:41,090
didn't he just get a grant right

1925
01:25:41,090 --> 01:25:43,569
not for the doors

1926
01:25:43,569 --> 01:25:45,569
for the doors

1927
01:25:45,569 --> 01:25:47,859
the big

1928
01:25:47,859 --> 01:25:50,079
how many doors do you have

1929
01:25:50,079 --> 01:25:52,079
there's four

1930
01:25:52,079 --> 01:25:54,079
I think we got a grant for three

1931
01:25:54,079 --> 01:25:56,079
your little one that you walk in and out

1932
01:25:56,079 --> 01:25:58,079
on the side

1933
01:25:58,079 --> 01:26:00,300
when was that

1934
01:26:00,300 --> 01:26:02,300
didn't you show it off

1935
01:26:02,300 --> 01:26:04,300
hey we all have another one

1936
01:26:04,300 --> 01:26:06,300
I didn't know we got it

1937
01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:08,300
you're all the enemy

1938
01:26:08,300 --> 01:26:10,300
I wasn't at the last meeting

1939
01:26:10,300 --> 01:26:12,340
so maybe you guys talked about that

1940
01:26:12,340 --> 01:26:14,340
but I haven't heard about getting the actual

1941
01:26:14,340 --> 01:26:16,340
maybe it was the last meeting

1942
01:26:16,340 --> 01:26:18,340
it was recently

1943
01:26:18,340 --> 01:26:20,939
okay what else do you want to throw it at

1944
01:26:20,939 --> 01:26:22,939
is it a match for the door

1945
01:26:22,939 --> 01:26:24,939
use it to order something easier for you

1946
01:26:24,939 --> 01:26:26,939
recycling

1947
01:26:26,939 --> 01:26:28,939
we can use it for some kind of improvement

1948
01:26:28,939 --> 01:26:30,939
how much is the shed going to cost

1949
01:26:30,939 --> 01:26:32,939
he said the sheds are out now

1950
01:26:32,939 --> 01:26:35,140
maybe we should buy another shed

1951
01:26:35,140 --> 01:26:37,140
probably could get a shed

1952
01:26:37,140 --> 01:26:39,140
highway department improvement

1953
01:26:39,140 --> 01:26:41,140
building improvement

1954
01:26:41,140 --> 01:26:43,140
building improvement

1955
01:26:43,140 --> 01:26:45,140
you just got to designate it for something

1956
01:26:45,140 --> 01:26:49,119
then we can figure out what we want

1957
01:26:49,119 --> 01:26:51,119
we don't even know how long it's going to take to get it back

1958
01:26:51,119 --> 01:26:53,119
it's not in our hands

1959
01:26:53,119 --> 01:26:56,590
highway department building improvement

1960
01:26:56,590 --> 01:27:00,060
agree

1961
01:27:00,060 --> 01:27:02,060
sure

1962
01:27:02,060 --> 01:27:04,060
all in favor

1963
01:27:04,060 --> 01:27:07,149
yes

1964
01:27:07,149 --> 01:27:09,149
anything else Frank

1965
01:27:09,149 --> 01:27:11,149
no I just got a question about that

1966
01:27:11,149 --> 01:27:13,149
what do you need to do

1967
01:27:13,149 --> 01:27:17,420
did you ask them for it back yet

1968
01:27:17,420 --> 01:27:19,619
you don't want to put it towards a sign

1969
01:27:19,619 --> 01:27:24,720
no I thought it was

1970
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:27,939
it is

1971
01:27:27,939 --> 01:27:31,539
I was

1972
01:27:31,539 --> 01:27:36,100
it's been a long week

1973
01:27:36,100 --> 01:27:38,100
jokes

1974
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:43,810
oh that was a joke

1975
01:27:43,810 --> 01:27:47,500
okay

1976
01:27:47,500 --> 01:27:49,500
we have a question today

1977
01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:51,500
from the Vermont Department of Taxes

1978
01:27:51,500 --> 01:27:53,500
regarding their final report

1979
01:27:53,500 --> 01:27:55,500
that they have to send to the state

1980
01:27:55,500 --> 01:27:57,500
regarding

1981
01:27:57,500 --> 01:27:59,500
reappraisals

1982
01:27:59,500 --> 01:28:01,569
assessing in town

1983
01:28:01,569 --> 01:28:03,569
if anybody wants to read it

1984
01:28:03,569 --> 01:28:05,569
it's on the Vermont Department of Tax website

1985
01:28:05,569 --> 01:28:08,560
it's 109 pages

1986
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,560
I didn't print it out

1987
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,560
but you can go there

1988
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,659
about 80 people attended the report

1989
01:28:14,659 --> 01:28:16,659
23 years

1990
01:28:16,659 --> 01:28:18,659
you're right

1991
01:28:18,659 --> 01:28:20,659
recommendations

1992
01:28:20,659 --> 01:28:22,659
nothing is approved yet

1993
01:28:22,659 --> 01:28:24,659
it might be coming

1994
01:28:24,659 --> 01:28:26,659
and I'm pretty sure this six year cycle

1995
01:28:26,659 --> 01:28:28,819
for reappraisal is going to happen

1996
01:28:28,819 --> 01:28:30,819
reappraisal or reassessment

1997
01:28:30,819 --> 01:28:32,939
reappraisal

1998
01:28:32,939 --> 01:28:34,939
the whole thing

1999
01:28:34,939 --> 01:28:36,939
like we just had

2000
01:28:36,939 --> 01:28:38,939
every six years

2001
01:28:38,939 --> 01:28:40,939
the state is going to require it

2002
01:28:40,939 --> 01:28:42,939
but

2003
01:28:42,939 --> 01:28:44,939
they're going to try to

2004
01:28:44,939 --> 01:28:47,199
lump some towns together

2005
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:49,199
there's I think four or five of us

2006
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:53,199
and then we could share firms

2007
01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:55,199
with these towns

2008
01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:57,199
it might make it better

2009
01:28:57,199 --> 01:28:59,199
for the towns to find some money

2010
01:28:59,199 --> 01:29:01,199
because we're such a little town

2011
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:03,199
that these firms don't want to come here

2012
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:05,460
it's not worth their money

2013
01:29:05,460 --> 01:29:07,460
we can share costs

2014
01:29:07,460 --> 01:29:09,460
one of the changes

2015
01:29:09,460 --> 01:29:11,460
is they

2016
01:29:11,460 --> 01:29:13,460
would like to try to combine

2017
01:29:13,460 --> 01:29:16,060
local BCAs

2018
01:29:16,060 --> 01:29:18,060
and have a professional on the BCA

2019
01:29:18,060 --> 01:29:20,060
with state

2020
01:29:20,060 --> 01:29:22,060
and hearing appeals

2021
01:29:22,060 --> 01:29:24,060
to be on the local BCA

2022
01:29:24,060 --> 01:29:26,060
it would be a statewide board

2023
01:29:26,060 --> 01:29:28,060
get a professional on there

2024
01:29:28,060 --> 01:29:30,060
because some of their other boards

2025
01:29:30,060 --> 01:29:32,060
they have an attorney a professional

2026
01:29:32,060 --> 01:29:34,060
for everything they hear

2027
01:29:34,060 --> 01:29:36,060
they might want to change the date of the

2028
01:29:36,060 --> 01:29:38,060
filing of the grant list

2029
01:29:38,060 --> 01:29:40,539
instead of April 1st

2030
01:29:40,539 --> 01:29:42,539
it would be January 1st

2031
01:29:42,539 --> 01:29:44,539
what it sounds like is

2032
01:29:44,539 --> 01:29:46,539
that they are encouraging

2033
01:29:46,539 --> 01:29:50,560
a lot of sharing among towns

2034
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,560
and if you want to read more

2035
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,560
there are 109 pages to read

2036
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,619
and nothing is set in stone yet

2037
01:29:56,619 --> 01:29:58,750
when will they vote on that

2038
01:29:58,750 --> 01:30:00,750
or when will it be set in stone

2039
01:30:00,750 --> 01:30:02,750
or is it a process

2040
01:30:02,750 --> 01:30:04,750
it's a process

2041
01:30:04,750 --> 01:30:06,750
this is only their final report to them

2042
01:30:06,750 --> 01:30:09,460
money wise

2043
01:30:09,460 --> 01:30:11,779
we still would get the $8 per parcel

2044
01:30:11,779 --> 01:30:15,119
that we get right now

2045
01:30:15,119 --> 01:30:17,119
maintain the grant list

2046
01:30:17,119 --> 01:30:19,119
and as far as

2047
01:30:19,119 --> 01:30:21,119
helping for reappraisal

2048
01:30:21,119 --> 01:30:24,430
no

2049
01:30:24,430 --> 01:30:27,300
that's on the town

2050
01:30:27,300 --> 01:30:29,300
they are mandated to do it every 6 years

2051
01:30:29,300 --> 01:30:31,300
that's the

2052
01:30:31,300 --> 01:30:33,300
4 to 6 years

2053
01:30:33,300 --> 01:30:35,300
and they feel too that this would be

2054
01:30:35,300 --> 01:30:37,300
greater for the tax payers

2055
01:30:37,300 --> 01:30:39,300
because we appraised probably in

2056
01:30:39,300 --> 01:30:41,329
14 years

2057
01:30:41,329 --> 01:30:43,329
17 years

2058
01:30:43,329 --> 01:30:45,329
so there was such a big jump

2059
01:30:45,329 --> 01:30:47,329
between my assessment

2060
01:30:47,329 --> 01:30:49,329
17 years ago and the assessment now

2061
01:30:49,329 --> 01:30:51,359
that if you are

2062
01:30:51,359 --> 01:30:53,359
reassessed every 6 years

2063
01:30:53,359 --> 01:30:55,359
it wouldn't be that much of a jump

2064
01:30:55,359 --> 01:30:57,359
it would be more with the market

2065
01:30:57,359 --> 01:30:59,359
the cost is the same

2066
01:30:59,359 --> 01:31:01,359
yes I'm sure

2067
01:31:01,359 --> 01:31:03,359
we'll give the school department more money

2068
01:31:03,359 --> 01:31:05,460
yeah that's basically

2069
01:31:05,460 --> 01:31:07,460
that's all they want to do is keep jacking it

2070
01:31:07,460 --> 01:31:09,460
that's a

2071
01:31:09,460 --> 01:31:11,460
that's a no brainer

2072
01:31:11,460 --> 01:31:13,460
it's a formula

2073
01:31:13,460 --> 01:31:15,460
my assessment went up

2074
01:31:15,460 --> 01:31:17,460
everybody's did

2075
01:31:17,460 --> 01:31:19,460
if everybody's school is up

2076
01:31:19,460 --> 01:31:21,460
the town budget

2077
01:31:21,460 --> 01:31:23,460
I'm not talking about the town I'm talking about the school

2078
01:31:23,460 --> 01:31:25,460
right

2079
01:31:25,460 --> 01:31:27,460
that's a state

2080
01:31:27,460 --> 01:31:29,460
statewide because they're talking about state

2081
01:31:29,460 --> 01:31:31,460
taxes going up 6%

2082
01:31:31,460 --> 01:31:33,460
did they discuss that?

2083
01:31:33,460 --> 01:31:35,460
no but with this new system

2084
01:31:35,460 --> 01:31:37,460
they were saying it would be like a regional

2085
01:31:37,460 --> 01:31:39,779
CLA

2086
01:31:39,779 --> 01:31:42,800
it won't be at the town set

2087
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:44,800
CMA or CLA

2088
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,220
they called it an L

2089
01:31:47,220 --> 01:31:49,220
common level

2090
01:31:49,220 --> 01:31:51,220
that's based on

2091
01:31:51,220 --> 01:31:53,220
and the school tax

2092
01:31:53,220 --> 01:31:57,329
is based on that too

2093
01:31:57,329 --> 01:31:59,329
so

2094
01:31:59,329 --> 01:32:01,329
I know

2095
01:32:01,329 --> 01:32:03,329
this might be coming

2096
01:32:03,329 --> 01:32:05,329
we gotta watch it

2097
01:32:05,329 --> 01:32:07,329
I hope it will not be good for us

2098
01:32:07,329 --> 01:32:09,329
we're gonna get hammered

2099
01:32:09,329 --> 01:32:11,329
yeah

2100
01:32:11,329 --> 01:32:13,329
let's see

2101
01:32:13,329 --> 01:32:16,000
right now

2102
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,000
we are

2103
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,220
I have a question

2104
01:32:20,220 --> 01:32:22,220
so

2105
01:32:22,220 --> 01:32:24,220
so a few months ago

2106
01:32:24,220 --> 01:32:26,220
the school board

2107
01:32:26,220 --> 01:32:28,220
and the sub-board met

2108
01:32:28,220 --> 01:32:30,220
and discussed possibly

2109
01:32:30,220 --> 01:32:32,220
the idea of bringing

2110
01:32:32,220 --> 01:32:34,220
some of the expenses that the school has

2111
01:32:34,220 --> 01:32:36,220
to the town

2112
01:32:36,220 --> 01:32:38,220
and just shifting that

2113
01:32:38,220 --> 01:32:40,220
not making it more

2114
01:32:40,220 --> 01:32:42,220
just shifting how it gets paid for

2115
01:32:42,220 --> 01:32:44,579
in the budget on the school

2116
01:32:44,579 --> 01:32:46,579
where has that ever gone?

2117
01:32:46,579 --> 01:32:48,579
because we're going through budgets now

2118
01:32:48,579 --> 01:32:50,579
I would like to ask

2119
01:32:50,579 --> 01:32:52,579
a couple meetings ago

2120
01:32:52,579 --> 01:32:54,579
I don't know

2121
01:32:54,579 --> 01:32:56,579
when I say the other day

2122
01:32:56,579 --> 01:32:58,579
it could have been a year ago

2123
01:32:58,579 --> 01:33:00,579
and I can't remember when it was

2124
01:33:00,579 --> 01:33:02,579
I asked to sit down with the school

2125
01:33:02,579 --> 01:33:04,579
and Zoom

2126
01:33:04,579 --> 01:33:06,609
to join me

2127
01:33:06,609 --> 01:33:08,609
because in the summer time

2128
01:33:08,609 --> 01:33:10,640
they never want to do it

2129
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:12,640
so the school board

2130
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:14,640
I believe

2131
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:17,409
the ball is in their court

2132
01:33:17,409 --> 01:33:19,439
and I don't remember anyone getting back to us

2133
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:21,439
I'm a big advocate

2134
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:23,439
of pushing that

2135
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:25,439
and saying

2136
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,439
look you guys want to do that

2137
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:29,439
the school wants to take these numbers

2138
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:31,439
and I agree with them

2139
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:33,439
it makes sense for the tax people

2140
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:35,439
to demand or whatever

2141
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:37,439
and vice versa

2142
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:39,439
you're right

2143
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:41,439
we've talked about kicking a can down the road

2144
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,439
this is going to go on forever

2145
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:45,439
we haven't really addressed

2146
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:47,439
the school's budget

2147
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,439
we're addressing the Supervisory Union's budget

2148
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:51,439
so I think once we get that

2149
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:53,439
then we can do

2150
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:55,439
our local school budget

2151
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:57,439
Supervisory Union would be all set

2152
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,439
that's that time it's come up to

2153
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:01,439
actually

2154
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:03,439
I mentioned that four years ago

2155
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:05,439
I know I've got a funny face

2156
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:07,439
but it doesn't make sense

2157
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:09,439
but I can bring it up

2158
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,439
we have to cancel our meeting tomorrow

2159
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:13,439
I mean tonight

2160
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,439
so we can maybe bring it up at our next meeting

2161
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,439
when we start doing our budget talk

2162
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:19,439
let's bring this to the town

2163
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:21,439
so we identify line items

2164
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:23,439
that would be appropriate

2165
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:25,439
for the town to pick up

2166
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:28,399
we have to

2167
01:34:28,399 --> 01:34:30,819
explain to the townspeople

2168
01:34:30,819 --> 01:34:32,819
let's just say

2169
01:34:32,819 --> 01:34:34,819
the town budget goes up by

2170
01:34:34,819 --> 01:34:36,819
10% because of that

2171
01:34:36,819 --> 01:34:38,819
we have to explain to them

2172
01:34:38,819 --> 01:34:40,819
and show that the school budget

2173
01:34:40,819 --> 01:34:42,819
is going to go down by 10%

2174
01:34:42,819 --> 01:34:44,819
is it feasible to do that

2175
01:34:44,819 --> 01:34:47,140
my understanding is

2176
01:34:47,140 --> 01:34:49,140
the lower we can have the school board

2177
01:34:49,140 --> 01:34:51,229
budget the better

2178
01:34:51,229 --> 01:34:53,260
for the townspeople

2179
01:34:53,260 --> 01:34:55,260
because it goes to the state

2180
01:34:55,260 --> 01:34:57,260
so it's better to keep it here

2181
01:34:57,260 --> 01:34:59,260
dollar for dollar

2182
01:34:59,260 --> 01:35:01,260
I don't know if they understand

2183
01:35:01,260 --> 01:35:03,260
but the reason we're talking about that

2184
01:35:03,260 --> 01:35:05,260
is because when our school budget goes to the state

2185
01:35:05,260 --> 01:35:07,260
we have to chunk out

2186
01:35:07,260 --> 01:35:09,260
so they can do their work

2187
01:35:09,260 --> 01:35:11,260
and then we get a little tiny chunk of it back

2188
01:35:11,260 --> 01:35:13,260
so if we can take some of that money

2189
01:35:13,260 --> 01:35:15,260
that we send to the state

2190
01:35:15,260 --> 01:35:17,260
you get dollar for dollar

2191
01:35:17,260 --> 01:35:19,260
yeah we get a better deal

2192
01:35:19,260 --> 01:35:21,680
I think too Beth

2193
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:23,680
there's certain things that

2194
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,680
we could take over

2195
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:27,680
but there's other things to run the school

2196
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:29,680
that they won't allow

2197
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:31,680
I think we're talking things like building expenses

2198
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:34,000
like the maintenance of the building

2199
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,000
snow, whatever we pay for

2200
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,000
the whole school, the town

2201
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,000
benefits from

2202
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,510
we identified some really good

2203
01:35:42,510 --> 01:35:44,510
I forgot what they were exactly

2204
01:35:44,510 --> 01:35:46,510
they were related to the building

2205
01:35:46,510 --> 01:35:48,510
so you're the chairman of contact

2206
01:35:48,510 --> 01:35:50,510
that's what I would say

2207
01:35:50,510 --> 01:35:52,510
so does that mean that

2208
01:35:52,510 --> 01:35:54,510
if the town takes that over

2209
01:35:54,510 --> 01:35:56,510
you're going to have the authority over that

2210
01:35:56,510 --> 01:35:58,640
that's one of my big things

2211
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:00,640
when you say

2212
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:02,640
I can't use your building

2213
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:04,640
because of xyz

2214
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:06,640
for instance

2215
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:08,640
when they have an election

2216
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:10,640
where they tell our

2217
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:12,640
our elected volunteers

2218
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:14,739
they're over there

2219
01:36:14,739 --> 01:36:16,739
just helping out

2220
01:36:16,739 --> 01:36:18,739
and they can't step out of a spot

2221
01:36:18,739 --> 01:36:20,739
because it's their school

2222
01:36:20,739 --> 01:36:22,739
that doesn't fly with me

2223
01:36:22,739 --> 01:36:24,739
and that's been going on for 10 years

2224
01:36:24,739 --> 01:36:26,739
that I've been there

2225
01:36:26,739 --> 01:36:28,739
they were not allowed to walk around the gym

2226
01:36:28,739 --> 01:36:30,739
and stretch their legs

2227
01:36:30,739 --> 01:36:32,739
so when you hear stuff like that

2228
01:36:32,739 --> 01:36:34,739
it's a bitterness

2229
01:36:34,739 --> 01:36:36,739
they were told to stay in their seats

2230
01:36:36,739 --> 01:36:38,739
they were not allowed to walk around the gym

2231
01:36:38,739 --> 01:36:40,739
I come down

2232
01:36:40,739 --> 01:36:42,739
I follow the parking lot

2233
01:36:42,739 --> 01:36:44,739
now when Rich was here

2234
01:36:44,739 --> 01:36:46,739
he'd be here before me

2235
01:36:46,739 --> 01:36:48,739
blow all the snow out where I could push it away

2236
01:36:48,739 --> 01:36:50,739
currently when we have a storm

2237
01:36:50,739 --> 01:36:52,739
I come down and follow the parking lot

2238
01:36:52,739 --> 01:36:54,739
and whoever does it can't get here early enough

2239
01:36:54,739 --> 01:36:56,739
and then blows all the snow out

2240
01:36:56,739 --> 01:36:58,739
where I already

2241
01:36:58,739 --> 01:37:00,739
we've already tried to address this last year

2242
01:37:00,739 --> 01:37:02,739
and we went to a principal

2243
01:37:02,739 --> 01:37:04,739
that no longer is here

2244
01:37:04,739 --> 01:37:06,739
and the principal said they were addressing it

2245
01:37:06,739 --> 01:37:08,739
and it didn't happen

2246
01:37:08,739 --> 01:37:10,739
and now we have a new principal

2247
01:37:10,739 --> 01:37:12,739
that I've never met

2248
01:37:12,739 --> 01:37:14,739
and I thought the principal would come to this board

2249
01:37:14,739 --> 01:37:16,739
and say hey how you doing

2250
01:37:16,739 --> 01:37:19,659
I'd like to work with you

2251
01:37:19,659 --> 01:37:21,659
but that's the same issue we had last year

2252
01:37:21,659 --> 01:37:23,659
and I know

2253
01:37:23,659 --> 01:37:25,659
as soon as we start getting more

2254
01:37:25,659 --> 01:37:27,659
it's the timing of the storms

2255
01:37:27,659 --> 01:37:29,659
I personally think the janitors

2256
01:37:29,659 --> 01:37:31,659
should be under our control

2257
01:37:31,659 --> 01:37:33,659
not under schools

2258
01:37:33,659 --> 01:37:35,659
if we take over the maintenance part

2259
01:37:35,659 --> 01:37:37,659
it makes sense

2260
01:37:37,659 --> 01:37:39,659
it's just ridiculous that I have to come back

2261
01:37:39,659 --> 01:37:41,659
and clean up a mess

2262
01:37:41,659 --> 01:37:43,659
after I've already cleaned it up

2263
01:37:43,659 --> 01:37:45,659
that's waste

2264
01:37:45,659 --> 01:37:47,659
counterproductive

2265
01:37:47,659 --> 01:37:49,659
and if I don't know about it

2266
01:37:49,659 --> 01:37:51,659
or I don't come right away

2267
01:37:51,659 --> 01:37:54,270
there's going to be a slip and fall

2268
01:37:54,270 --> 01:37:56,270
I mean right now

2269
01:37:56,270 --> 01:37:58,270
we just talked about the trash that they have over here

2270
01:37:58,270 --> 01:38:00,270
we are lucky enough

2271
01:38:00,270 --> 01:38:02,270
that there's a woman in town

2272
01:38:02,270 --> 01:38:04,270
that uses her own truck

2273
01:38:04,270 --> 01:38:06,270
that puts trash in her truck

2274
01:38:06,270 --> 01:38:08,270
and brings it up to the transfer station

2275
01:38:08,270 --> 01:38:10,270
now the janitors do that

2276
01:38:10,270 --> 01:38:12,270
but all of a sudden I can't do it

2277
01:38:12,270 --> 01:38:14,270
and it was allowed

2278
01:38:14,270 --> 01:38:16,270
so okay I'm not doing it anymore

2279
01:38:16,270 --> 01:38:18,270
so we have someone

2280
01:38:18,270 --> 01:38:20,270
we're lucky enough for $10

2281
01:38:20,270 --> 01:38:22,270
a day

2282
01:38:22,270 --> 01:38:24,270
they move your truck up

2283
01:38:24,270 --> 01:38:27,300
bring it up and put it in the transfer station

2284
01:38:27,300 --> 01:38:29,390
so why don't you just get it dumped there

2285
01:38:29,390 --> 01:38:31,390
because it costs more

2286
01:38:31,390 --> 01:38:33,390
it doesn't get dumped

2287
01:38:33,390 --> 01:38:35,390
in the summer

2288
01:38:35,390 --> 01:38:37,390
there's all kinds of issues

2289
01:38:37,390 --> 01:38:39,390
but we had a janitor

2290
01:38:39,390 --> 01:38:41,680
that did it all

2291
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:43,680
his job description was never written down by the board

2292
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:46,479
I hate to ban him off the school board

2293
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:48,479
it was

2294
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:50,479
and not what it is now

2295
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:52,479
I understand that

2296
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:54,479
but we didn't have a job description

2297
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:56,479
we've asked for it numerous times

2298
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:58,479
it's just like this board

2299
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:00,479
we admit when we say we've never done it before

2300
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:02,479
alright let's get a job description though

2301
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:04,479
that's what they need to do

2302
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:06,479
and I'm not blaming the janitor

2303
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:08,479
whatever janitor

2304
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:10,479
the janitor has to be

2305
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:12,479
a security background check

2306
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:14,479
so they're safe to be around kids

2307
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:16,479
you know what my answer was

2308
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:18,479
that I got from the board

2309
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:20,479
well Richard's a superman

2310
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:22,579
we'll hire another superman

2311
01:39:22,579 --> 01:39:24,579
but I think he did more

2312
01:39:24,579 --> 01:39:26,579
than he got paid for

2313
01:39:26,579 --> 01:39:28,579
it's just like when Kurt would say

2314
01:39:28,579 --> 01:39:30,579
we have people that care

2315
01:39:30,579 --> 01:39:32,579
and people that don't

2316
01:39:32,579 --> 01:39:34,579
it's my

2317
01:39:34,579 --> 01:39:36,579
it's my title

2318
01:39:36,579 --> 01:39:38,579
I don't want to tell the kids

2319
01:39:38,579 --> 01:39:40,579
to work out here

2320
01:39:40,579 --> 01:39:42,579
the gym was built

2321
01:39:42,579 --> 01:39:44,579
for the purpose of being the community

2322
01:39:44,579 --> 01:39:46,579
I agree with you 100%

2323
01:39:46,579 --> 01:39:48,579
the school can't control it

2324
01:39:48,579 --> 01:39:50,579
we have three documents

2325
01:39:50,579 --> 01:39:52,579
three deeds that say

2326
01:39:52,579 --> 01:39:54,579
they cannot

2327
01:39:54,579 --> 01:39:56,579
I agree I understand that

2328
01:39:56,579 --> 01:39:58,579
they couldn't control it during their

2329
01:39:58,579 --> 01:40:00,579
school hours

2330
01:40:00,579 --> 01:40:02,770
after that they can't

2331
01:40:02,770 --> 01:40:04,770
I can't believe they totally can't get up

2332
01:40:06,770 --> 01:40:08,770
I can't believe they totally can't get up

2333
01:40:08,770 --> 01:40:10,770
what do you want us to come for?

2334
01:40:10,770 --> 01:40:12,770
we can't walk around

2335
01:40:12,770 --> 01:40:14,770
officials cannot leave their table

2336
01:40:14,770 --> 01:40:17,119
and walk around the gym

2337
01:40:17,119 --> 01:40:19,119
that's not the school board that's the principal

2338
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:21,119
but my point with the school board

2339
01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:23,119
and I'll bring this to the school board

2340
01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:25,119
I know this isn't the school board

2341
01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:27,119
I'll bring it to them

2342
01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:29,119
what authority does the school board have

2343
01:40:29,119 --> 01:40:31,119
and what are they doing

2344
01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:33,119
isn't that what their job is to look in

2345
01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:35,119
to be a representative of the people

2346
01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:37,119
to the principal

2347
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:39,119
and the administration and say

2348
01:40:39,119 --> 01:40:41,119
hey look this is what we're allowing

2349
01:40:41,119 --> 01:40:43,119
I understand that

2350
01:40:43,119 --> 01:40:45,119
but they're not doing that

2351
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:47,119
right there was a long discussion

2352
01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:49,119
at our last meeting

2353
01:40:49,119 --> 01:40:51,119
and it was more about communication

2354
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:53,119
and how it was communicated

2355
01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:55,119
and then we had a superintendent

2356
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:57,119
who wasn't familiar with our sharing

2357
01:40:57,119 --> 01:40:59,119
the complexity of sharing

2358
01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:01,119
the town business

2359
01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:03,119
and the school business

2360
01:41:03,119 --> 01:41:05,119
so he didn't understand that

2361
01:41:05,119 --> 01:41:07,119
would it be possible

2362
01:41:07,119 --> 01:41:09,119
not to cut you off Beth I'm sorry

2363
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:11,119
would it be possible for the trash

2364
01:41:11,119 --> 01:41:13,119
to be able to just have that

2365
01:41:13,119 --> 01:41:15,119
like maybe somebody

2366
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:17,119
what's there two of you Dave

2367
01:41:17,119 --> 01:41:19,250
that work how many are in the town

2368
01:41:19,250 --> 01:41:21,250
I'm sorry there's two of you

2369
01:41:21,250 --> 01:41:23,250
maybe one of you guys at one point

2370
01:41:23,250 --> 01:41:25,250
during the day of course provided

2371
01:41:25,250 --> 01:41:27,250
that there's no catastrophic event

2372
01:41:27,250 --> 01:41:29,250
going on that hey I come by

2373
01:41:29,250 --> 01:41:31,250
at two o'clock make sure the trash

2374
01:41:31,250 --> 01:41:33,250
is in the barrel outside

2375
01:41:33,250 --> 01:41:35,250
they come by they throw it in the back of the truck

2376
01:41:35,250 --> 01:41:37,250
if you guys want I can be a teacher too

2377
01:41:37,250 --> 01:41:39,250
well I'm not saying you should do that

2378
01:41:39,250 --> 01:41:41,250
I'm just saying

2379
01:41:41,250 --> 01:41:43,250
we hired to do that

2380
01:41:43,250 --> 01:41:45,250
no we have a girl that we hired

2381
01:41:45,250 --> 01:41:47,250
I thought they were just doing it as a

2382
01:41:47,250 --> 01:41:49,250
but my point is

2383
01:41:49,250 --> 01:41:51,250
it's taken care of

2384
01:41:51,250 --> 01:41:53,250
like ten dollars a day

2385
01:41:53,250 --> 01:41:55,250
take your own truck put the trash in your truck

2386
01:41:55,250 --> 01:41:57,250
bring it up and do it

2387
01:41:57,250 --> 01:41:59,250
and be responsible to show up every day

2388
01:41:59,250 --> 01:42:01,250
for the time of today

2389
01:42:01,250 --> 01:42:03,250
we're very fortunate we have that

2390
01:42:03,250 --> 01:42:05,250
that's my point

2391
01:42:05,250 --> 01:42:07,250
but before we didn't have to do that

2392
01:42:07,250 --> 01:42:09,250
we had a janitor that cared

2393
01:42:09,250 --> 01:42:11,250
you know that's my whole point is

2394
01:42:11,250 --> 01:42:13,250
the school is in my opinion

2395
01:42:13,250 --> 01:42:15,250
it's not the board

2396
01:42:15,250 --> 01:42:17,250
it's that supervisor

2397
01:42:17,250 --> 01:42:19,250
they're prima donnas

2398
01:42:19,250 --> 01:42:21,250
they get away with everything

2399
01:42:21,250 --> 01:42:23,250
they get six figure salaries

2400
01:42:23,250 --> 01:42:25,250
I don't know how many people have

2401
01:42:25,250 --> 01:42:27,250
the superintendent

2402
01:42:27,250 --> 01:42:29,250
he makes all these decisions

2403
01:42:29,250 --> 01:42:31,250
does he come down here and say

2404
01:42:31,250 --> 01:42:33,250
hey how you doing

2405
01:42:33,250 --> 01:42:35,250
does he come to the board

2406
01:42:35,250 --> 01:42:37,250
and introduce himself

2407
01:42:37,250 --> 01:42:39,250
you know

2408
01:42:39,250 --> 01:42:41,409
when you run your meetings who runs your meetings

2409
01:42:41,409 --> 01:42:43,409
he does pretty good

2410
01:42:43,409 --> 01:42:45,409
Eric is the chair

2411
01:42:45,409 --> 01:42:47,409
Eric is the chair person

2412
01:42:47,409 --> 01:42:49,409
Eric is the chair

2413
01:42:49,409 --> 01:42:51,409
she does her business

2414
01:42:51,409 --> 01:42:53,409
the superintendent gives a report

2415
01:42:53,409 --> 01:42:55,409
we talk about the report

2416
01:42:55,409 --> 01:42:57,409
how it affects the supervisor

2417
01:42:57,409 --> 01:42:59,409
and the school

2418
01:42:59,409 --> 01:43:01,409
and the principal gives a report

2419
01:43:01,409 --> 01:43:03,409
she's phenomenal

2420
01:43:03,409 --> 01:43:05,409
she's bringing grades up and everything

2421
01:43:05,409 --> 01:43:07,409
but she gets her report

2422
01:43:07,409 --> 01:43:09,409
and then Erica carries on

2423
01:43:09,409 --> 01:43:11,409
Erica is the chair of the board

2424
01:43:11,409 --> 01:43:13,409
and I put her down

2425
01:43:13,409 --> 01:43:15,409
but he has

2426
01:43:15,409 --> 01:43:17,409
because the business of the supervisor

2427
01:43:17,409 --> 01:43:19,409
affects the school

2428
01:43:19,409 --> 01:43:21,409
and they kind of muscle their way in

2429
01:43:21,409 --> 01:43:23,409
to make all the decisions

2430
01:43:23,409 --> 01:43:25,409
and kind of push

2431
01:43:25,409 --> 01:43:27,409
just like you said

2432
01:43:27,409 --> 01:43:29,409
it's not like the old days

2433
01:43:29,409 --> 01:43:31,409
it's just my opinion

2434
01:43:31,409 --> 01:43:33,409
right now there's a lot of discussion

2435
01:43:33,409 --> 01:43:35,409
because assessments are coming up

2436
01:43:35,409 --> 01:43:37,409
we have to figure out

2437
01:43:37,409 --> 01:43:39,409
how we're going to be assessed

2438
01:43:39,409 --> 01:43:41,409
well if they want to talk about budgets we're more than welcome

2439
01:43:41,409 --> 01:43:43,409
we're willing to sit down

2440
01:43:43,409 --> 01:43:45,409
that's coming up probably

2441
01:43:45,409 --> 01:43:47,409
we mentioned it months ago

2442
01:43:47,409 --> 01:43:49,760
I'll mention it to the

2443
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:51,949
we always have to join the meetings

2444
01:43:51,949 --> 01:43:53,949
just show up

2445
01:43:53,949 --> 01:43:56,720
show up

2446
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:58,720
show up

2447
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:00,720
well you guys can go

2448
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:02,720
it's open

2449
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:06,720
it's difficult to hear in the gym

2450
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:09,199
very difficult

2451
01:44:09,199 --> 01:44:11,199
they don't let you talk like we let you talk

2452
01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:13,199
no they don't

2453
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:15,199
well they join the meetings

2454
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:17,199
we can do a little better

2455
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:19,199
a little bit more

2456
01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:21,199
join the meetings we can do pretty good

2457
01:44:21,199 --> 01:44:23,199
we can talk

2458
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:25,199
you can't push your weight

2459
01:44:25,199 --> 01:44:28,100
until next time

2460
01:44:28,100 --> 01:44:30,100
to answer your question

2461
01:44:30,100 --> 01:44:32,100
it's a different principle that's there

2462
01:44:32,100 --> 01:44:34,100
so it's a little different

2463
01:44:34,100 --> 01:44:41,729
there's some hidden ones

2464
01:44:41,729 --> 01:44:43,729
there's hidden ones in here

2465
01:44:43,729 --> 01:44:45,729
you're doing okay

2466
01:44:45,729 --> 01:44:52,500
because you haven't had a sheriff there in a while

2467
01:44:52,500 --> 01:44:54,529
why don't you put stickies on them

2468
01:44:54,529 --> 01:44:56,529
I'm at those inches

2469
01:44:56,529 --> 01:45:00,420
I just want them

2470
01:45:00,420 --> 01:45:02,420
two

2471
01:45:02,420 --> 01:45:09,859
but they were hidden so I can't

2472
01:45:09,859 --> 01:45:11,979
that's it

2473
01:45:11,979 --> 01:45:13,979
Luke is here so we want to go back into executive session

2474
01:45:13,979 --> 01:45:15,979
and we want to do a budget work session

2475
01:45:15,979 --> 01:45:17,979
and start working

2476
01:45:17,979 --> 01:45:20,819
on uh

2477
01:45:20,819 --> 01:45:22,819
you probably want to leave

2478
01:45:22,819 --> 01:45:24,819
so you don't want to do your highway tonight right

2479
01:45:24,819 --> 01:45:27,260
I want to leave too

2480
01:45:31,260 --> 01:45:34,100
it's a little late

2481
01:45:34,100 --> 01:45:36,100
it's our budget at 8 o'clock

2482
01:45:36,100 --> 01:45:38,100
yeah

2483
01:45:38,100 --> 01:45:40,100
I would agree

2484
01:45:40,100 --> 01:45:42,100
so why don't we do this

2485
01:45:42,100 --> 01:45:44,100
why don't we next meeting

2486
01:45:44,100 --> 01:45:46,100
have another early meeting

2487
01:45:46,100 --> 01:45:48,260
start the budget

2488
01:45:48,260 --> 01:45:50,289
right away

2489
01:45:50,289 --> 01:45:52,579
was this our last one of the year though

2490
01:45:52,579 --> 01:45:57,260
yes this is the last one

2491
01:45:57,260 --> 01:46:00,699
I mean we operate on the budget

2492
01:46:00,699 --> 01:46:02,699
it's not even approved

2493
01:46:02,699 --> 01:46:05,920
well we did come out we did make a motion to

2494
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:08,020
we'll have to go back in

2495
01:46:08,020 --> 01:46:10,079
it doesn't matter that we have it

2496
01:46:10,079 --> 01:46:13,300
we still have to

2497
01:46:13,300 --> 01:46:15,300
executive session with Luke

2498
01:46:15,300 --> 01:46:17,300
so it's 8 o'clock now

2499
01:46:17,300 --> 01:46:19,300
so to give you some deadlines

2500
01:46:19,300 --> 01:46:21,300
you are going to want to sign

2501
01:46:21,300 --> 01:46:23,300
your warrant on January 30th

2502
01:46:23,300 --> 01:46:25,300
which means your entire

2503
01:46:25,300 --> 01:46:27,300
budget has to be

2504
01:46:27,300 --> 01:46:29,300
reviewed decided finalized

2505
01:46:29,300 --> 01:46:31,300
that's our last date

2506
01:46:31,300 --> 01:46:33,300
that's your very very

2507
01:46:33,300 --> 01:46:35,300
last date so we probably

2508
01:46:35,300 --> 01:46:37,300
will be meeting every Thursday

2509
01:46:37,300 --> 01:46:39,300
in January

2510
01:46:39,300 --> 01:46:41,300
or come in

2511
01:46:41,300 --> 01:46:43,300
very early to work on

2512
01:46:43,300 --> 01:46:45,300
I mean do we have to

2513
01:46:45,300 --> 01:46:47,300
I don't have a problem

2514
01:46:47,300 --> 01:46:49,300
we'll have to see or keep a light agenda

2515
01:46:49,300 --> 01:46:51,300
but I'd rather come in every Thursday

2516
01:46:51,300 --> 01:46:53,300
and have a staple pen tonight

2517
01:46:57,739 --> 01:46:59,739
Lori executive session

2518
01:46:59,739 --> 01:47:01,739
on the probable civil

2519
01:47:01,739 --> 01:47:03,739
litigation

2520
01:47:03,739 --> 01:47:05,739
nothing okay

2521
01:47:05,739 --> 01:47:07,739
just keep that on so we can go in

2522
01:47:07,739 --> 01:47:14,000
when we hear something

2523
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,000
so

2524
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:20,560
so do we want to

2525
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:24,319
do we want to make a motion

2526
01:47:24,319 --> 01:47:26,319
to go into the

2527
01:47:26,319 --> 01:47:34,659
I've called you a half

2528
01:47:34,659 --> 01:47:36,659
a dozen times but

2529
01:47:36,659 --> 01:47:38,659
I quit

2530
01:47:38,659 --> 01:47:42,289
do you want my new number

2531
01:47:42,289 --> 01:47:44,640
call me

2532
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:46,640
Jesus

2533
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:49,119
somebody's calling me

2534
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:51,119
you want to buy some stuff

2535
01:47:51,119 --> 01:48:03,229
you'll get back to me

2536
01:48:03,229 --> 01:48:05,229
that was a well-ordered

2537
01:48:05,229 --> 01:48:07,229
call

2538
01:48:07,229 --> 01:48:09,229
I called you

2539
01:48:09,229 --> 01:48:12,609
you said we'll just

2540
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:28,880
did your father go down

2541
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:31,300
and look and what did he say

2542
01:48:31,300 --> 01:48:33,300
I figured we'd go to

2543
01:48:33,300 --> 01:48:35,300
mm-hmm

2544
01:48:35,300 --> 01:48:37,300
my ass