1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,369 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, 2 00:00:08,929 --> 00:00:16,129 and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,899 Sorry, I'm starting a little bit late. 4 00:00:19,859 --> 00:00:24,120 Our boys were out on the road since 9 o'clock last night. 5 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:29,260 I'm 30 years by my house. 6 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:32,219 Oh, now we're up. 7 00:00:32,219 --> 00:00:36,479 Okay, welcome to a meeting of the Stanford Select Board. 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,579 If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, 9 00:00:41,179 --> 00:00:44,799 you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address. 10 00:00:45,579 --> 00:00:51,060 You will notice that all our meetings are recorded, and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes. 11 00:00:52,100 --> 00:00:57,479 Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comment per visitor and 15 minutes per topic. 12 00:00:58,039 --> 00:01:01,979 Discussions will be held in a common, civilized manner and respectful of others. 13 00:01:01,979 --> 00:01:04,340 Select Board members present are... 14 00:01:04,340 --> 00:01:04,980 Mike DeNorme. 15 00:01:05,079 --> 00:01:05,959 Nancy Bishica. 16 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:06,939 John Dunn. 17 00:01:07,099 --> 00:01:07,620 Eric Amari. 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,299 Will there be any adding of items or removing of items from tonight's agenda? 19 00:01:13,140 --> 00:01:16,180 I have new correspondence that's come in. 20 00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:17,040 Okay. 21 00:01:18,219 --> 00:01:20,299 I have a couple things here. 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,739 One, prepare for the town meeting Monday night. 23 00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:32,560 I think that was all I had. 24 00:01:35,019 --> 00:01:38,700 Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, such as changing the order of items? 25 00:01:38,739 --> 00:01:38,819 Yes. 26 00:01:41,540 --> 00:01:45,739 And Jeff is recording the meeting tonight for his YouTube video. 27 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:46,340 Oh. 28 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:47,299 Oh. 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:48,140 Is it? 30 00:01:50,219 --> 00:01:51,730 Okay. 31 00:01:52,629 --> 00:02:02,090 We were in executive session from 5 to 6, maybe 6 to 10, for employee reviews. 32 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:04,599 Hearing the visitors. 33 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:08,860 She can go ahead first. 34 00:02:09,020 --> 00:02:09,300 Sheila. 35 00:02:09,300 --> 00:02:09,419 Hello. 36 00:02:10,219 --> 00:02:16,219 Do you know anything about this Green Mountain Express bus that's going around the town? 37 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:17,259 No. 38 00:02:18,159 --> 00:02:18,680 Oh. 39 00:02:19,860 --> 00:02:20,099 Yeah. 40 00:02:20,379 --> 00:02:21,639 That's for public transit. 41 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,379 Is that the one that picks up people if they need to go to doctor's appointments or something? 42 00:02:26,860 --> 00:02:30,259 You call them, and they'll bring you to your doctor's. 43 00:02:30,259 --> 00:02:30,460 Yeah. 44 00:02:30,879 --> 00:02:32,520 Does anybody know how to come to that? 45 00:02:32,719 --> 00:02:33,120 Yeah. 46 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:34,620 It's pretty well... 47 00:02:34,620 --> 00:02:36,199 It's pretty well... 48 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:38,080 Seniors, some seniors know about it. 49 00:02:38,180 --> 00:02:38,539 I mean... 50 00:02:38,539 --> 00:02:38,840 Okay. 51 00:02:39,219 --> 00:02:40,620 I just saw it the other day. 52 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:41,300 No one knows. 53 00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:42,340 You didn't know about it. 54 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,360 In mass. 55 00:02:43,699 --> 00:02:43,719 Yeah. 56 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:43,879 Right. 57 00:02:44,419 --> 00:02:44,659 Yeah. 58 00:02:45,099 --> 00:02:45,699 So the... 59 00:02:45,699 --> 00:02:46,539 The... 60 00:02:46,539 --> 00:02:46,680 Yeah. 61 00:02:46,699 --> 00:02:48,810 The Green Mountain Express... 62 00:02:48,810 --> 00:02:49,430 Okay. 63 00:02:49,650 --> 00:02:55,520 ...comes from the Bennington area, and their depot is... 64 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,159 Ooh, it's kind of like a brain fart in the back of my head, but it's in the Bennington 65 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:01,759 area, I want to say, and it... 66 00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:03,300 It's like a transit authority. 67 00:03:03,460 --> 00:03:05,340 It's like the regional transit authority for the area. 68 00:03:05,500 --> 00:03:06,219 You can call them. 69 00:03:06,659 --> 00:03:11,719 I don't know what the equivalent is for a PT1 form in Vermont, but if you have, like, 70 00:03:11,719 --> 00:03:16,319 certain insurance, they provide you a certain amount of trips to doctor's appointments. 71 00:03:16,979 --> 00:03:18,360 Plus, you can do a pay-by-fare. 72 00:03:19,500 --> 00:03:20,259 You know, there's... 73 00:03:20,259 --> 00:03:21,199 It's a bus, too. 74 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:22,840 You know, they do busing. 75 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:30,080 I mean, they bring people from the Powell area to North Adams early in the morning for 76 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:30,919 a doctor's appointment. 77 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:31,520 Mm-hmm. 78 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:32,180 Oh, a bus home. 79 00:03:32,259 --> 00:03:33,560 I mean, they're... 80 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:33,900 Nice. 81 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:37,979 I knew a couple of people in Stanford that did take advantage of it. 82 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,139 You call, make an appointment. 83 00:03:39,300 --> 00:03:39,520 Yeah. 84 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,699 They don't like coming here, but... 85 00:03:41,699 --> 00:03:41,879 Okay. 86 00:03:41,879 --> 00:03:46,300 ...to a doctor's appointment, but I don't know if it's just in Vermont, or if they'll 87 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:47,020 take you into... 88 00:03:47,020 --> 00:03:47,780 Into Massachusetts? 89 00:03:47,939 --> 00:03:48,120 Yeah. 90 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:48,840 ...that I don't know. 91 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,800 Yeah, they're DOT certified. 92 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:54,900 Sheila, call the 211 number. 93 00:03:55,159 --> 00:03:55,819 I don't want to. 94 00:03:55,819 --> 00:03:56,439 Well, I don't know. 95 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:57,919 I just want to know what it is. 96 00:03:58,020 --> 00:03:58,240 Okay. 97 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,039 Is it because of two people I've talked to who I've seen, or she didn't know what it 98 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:03,659 was either? 99 00:04:03,819 --> 00:04:04,120 Okay. 100 00:04:04,580 --> 00:04:07,360 So, do they take you to North Adams? 101 00:04:07,479 --> 00:04:08,939 Do they take you to Bennington? 102 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:09,860 Bring you back? 103 00:04:10,060 --> 00:04:10,120 Or... 104 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,139 They must have a website. 105 00:04:11,139 --> 00:04:13,099 I don't think they can get in there. 106 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:14,000 Or bring you back. 107 00:04:14,900 --> 00:04:16,120 I think they'll take you back. 108 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:16,279 Yeah. 109 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,220 I think if you just... 110 00:04:17,220 --> 00:04:18,620 If anybody can call them, I'll say. 111 00:04:19,060 --> 00:04:19,339 Okay. 112 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:21,980 Did they get you to the casino back? 113 00:04:22,300 --> 00:04:22,699 Probably. 114 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:24,319 They'll come down to the casino. 115 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:25,620 They may do a casino trip. 116 00:04:25,699 --> 00:04:26,019 I don't know. 117 00:04:31,620 --> 00:04:36,660 So, I just wanted to reach back around and see if you guys had an opportunity to discuss 118 00:04:36,660 --> 00:04:40,319 what was brought up in the last board meeting regarding the conflict of interest. 119 00:04:40,319 --> 00:04:47,100 If you guys were able to get a hold of the Vermont, the VLCT, or you guys spoke about 120 00:04:47,100 --> 00:04:47,379 it. 121 00:04:47,439 --> 00:04:52,120 Well, we haven't spoken about it because it would have been out of a meeting, so it 122 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:52,720 would be here. 123 00:04:53,180 --> 00:04:58,000 But, I did get stuff from VLCT and I sent the email on to the board. 124 00:04:58,399 --> 00:04:58,560 Okay. 125 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:03,040 But, I'm still waiting for VLCT to get back to us because they brought it to their legal 126 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:09,899 department because, as you know, there is no statutory conflict between collector delinquent 127 00:05:09,899 --> 00:05:12,480 taxes and JP. 128 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:13,180 Mm-hmm. 129 00:05:13,970 --> 00:05:16,509 It's not the actual JP that's the question. 130 00:05:16,509 --> 00:05:17,350 It's the... 131 00:05:17,350 --> 00:05:20,990 It's the fact that the individual sits on the board of civil authority. 132 00:05:21,370 --> 00:05:28,069 So, when you sit on the board of civil authority as a tax appeal and you have a say in that, 133 00:05:28,649 --> 00:05:33,449 those people that are looking for that appeal, like we stated in the meeting, generally have 134 00:05:33,449 --> 00:05:37,060 already gone into delinquency. 135 00:05:37,930 --> 00:05:42,990 So, most of them are waiting to get through that process to pay their bill. 136 00:05:42,990 --> 00:05:43,389 Yeah. 137 00:05:43,389 --> 00:05:46,990 And so, with that being said, if that individual... 138 00:05:47,410 --> 00:05:56,810 Has a say in that tax appeal, that directly affects their pay, and so that's where that 139 00:05:56,810 --> 00:05:58,310 conflict for me comes in. 140 00:05:59,649 --> 00:06:06,350 So, yes, I know it's the JLP that it's used as, but of course, in order to be on the board 141 00:06:06,350 --> 00:06:09,230 of civil authority, you have to be a justice of the peace. 142 00:06:09,230 --> 00:06:09,550 Right. 143 00:06:09,550 --> 00:06:15,730 So, and so, the other job that's held, which we all know that many people in small towns 144 00:06:15,730 --> 00:06:17,470 hold multiple positions. 145 00:06:17,829 --> 00:06:26,379 I'm more of like, get it, okay, but to have, it just comes back to you collect delinquent 146 00:06:26,379 --> 00:06:33,360 taxes to get paid for it based on the amount of 5%, which we know, we won't reiterate that 147 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:40,699 and go down that road, but to have a say in the abatement, a say in the assessment, a 148 00:06:40,699 --> 00:06:47,790 voice in the assessment, a voice in the abatement, and a voice in the tax appeal, that's... 149 00:06:48,689 --> 00:06:55,290 I don't care what Vermont says, that looks really bad for our town and anybody sitting 150 00:06:55,290 --> 00:07:01,870 in that position, and that could be you, that could be him, that could be anybody that has 151 00:07:01,870 --> 00:07:05,990 that position that is in those, all those positions at the same time. 152 00:07:05,990 --> 00:07:10,810 Just looking at, so, I just wanted to see, because, I mean, it just costs us, which I 153 00:07:10,810 --> 00:07:17,810 was just talking, it just costs us $1,000 to run an election, a runoff election, which, 154 00:07:17,810 --> 00:07:18,410 if... 155 00:07:18,790 --> 00:07:28,699 I'm trying not to have it be a personal thing, but the individual is part of the JLP, and 156 00:07:28,699 --> 00:07:33,439 so, which is the Board of Civil Authority, and if that person gets stopped away, we don't 157 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:37,319 spend $1,000 on an election for that issue, you know what I mean? 158 00:07:37,339 --> 00:07:42,579 And I'm not saying that she should have done that, like, that's her own right to do whatever, 159 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:48,180 you know, and, but, bottom line is we're, you know, here we are. 160 00:07:48,180 --> 00:07:49,980 I just don't want to go around and around. 161 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,779 I just don't want to go around and around, because I'm not going away. 162 00:07:52,279 --> 00:07:57,220 I'm going to be here until I find out, you know, like, until, because the longer this 163 00:07:57,220 --> 00:08:00,399 goes, the more people I talk to, the more people are like, really, that happens? 164 00:08:00,660 --> 00:08:06,300 Like, a lot of people have no idea that, you know, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I don't 165 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:13,399 think it's maliciously happening, it's just what is there, and it just doesn't look so 166 00:08:13,399 --> 00:08:13,680 bad. 167 00:08:14,079 --> 00:08:18,540 The, well, like I said, I'm waiting for the legal department to get back to me, I just 168 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:19,639 emailed them yesterday. 169 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:20,579 It's still nothing. 170 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:28,540 Our conflict of interest policy, from what I'm understanding, the state one will override 171 00:08:28,540 --> 00:08:32,840 ours, so everything will be through the state, with that ethics committee. 172 00:08:33,500 --> 00:08:36,139 And you need to appoint somebody on that. 173 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,539 I was just going to mention that, too, like, they want an appointee for an ethics lead. 174 00:08:40,539 --> 00:08:43,779 Yeah, yeah, so I was going to bring that up later in the meeting, too. 175 00:08:43,779 --> 00:08:47,100 I mean, I tend to agree with what Pete's saying. 176 00:08:47,259 --> 00:08:48,820 It doesn't look great. 177 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:59,240 But, I mean, I did go back and look for the ten years that there might have, that this 178 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:09,230 person was on both boards, that the one opinion did not sway the board's decision, because 179 00:09:09,230 --> 00:09:11,490 it's always a board decision. 180 00:09:12,570 --> 00:09:13,669 It swayed my decision. 181 00:09:14,639 --> 00:09:15,940 It swayed your decision? 182 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:16,879 It sure did. 183 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,059 She was the tipping. 184 00:09:20,059 --> 00:09:20,519 She was the tipping. 185 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:20,539 She was the tipping. 186 00:09:20,539 --> 00:09:20,559 She was the tipping. 187 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:20,580 She was the tipping. 188 00:09:20,580 --> 00:09:21,139 She was the tipping. 189 00:09:21,139 --> 00:09:21,200 She was the tipping. 190 00:09:21,220 --> 00:09:21,559 She was the tipping. 191 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:21,659 She was the tipping. 192 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:28,200 From that vote, in the Board of Civil Authority, it's like almost like a deadlock, and you'll 193 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,059 have a better idea, because you were there, and you were there. 194 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:35,919 You guys understand who was voting, but from what I'm told, because I wasn't there, and 195 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:42,379 it wasn't recorded, is that the voting came down to that one sway vote, which was her. 196 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:50,259 So, that's one of those things that's kind of like, that's, again, it's that kind of, 197 00:09:50,379 --> 00:09:51,419 ah, man, do I keep, do I keep, do I keep, do I keep, do I keep, do I keep, do I keep, do 198 00:09:51,419 --> 00:09:55,340 We say that that doesn't happen, but I know it did. 199 00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:56,399 You know what I mean? 200 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:57,679 Like, I'm not trying to be that guy. 201 00:09:58,259 --> 00:10:04,039 And, again, it could have been you that sat there in that meeting and had the conversation with me and had the opinion. 202 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:06,059 And, again, this isn't personal. 203 00:10:06,419 --> 00:10:08,940 This is just fact. 204 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:16,009 Well, one thing I read was about the recusing of people. 205 00:10:16,870 --> 00:10:20,809 You know, that's a volunteer thing that the board can't force someone to recuse. 206 00:10:20,809 --> 00:10:31,159 But if someone did recuse every single abatement, what are the other duties of a JP? 207 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:34,879 Say I want to be a JP and I'm sitting in that position. 208 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:41,399 Are there all these other duties that I can recuse myself on that position but do all these other things? 209 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:50,200 So from what I read, there is other things that the JP does. 210 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,799 That is, clearly not just. 211 00:10:51,899 --> 00:10:52,720 The Board of Civil Authority. 212 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:53,120 Right. 213 00:10:53,220 --> 00:10:56,120 But you can't not be part of the Board of Civil Authority. 214 00:10:56,299 --> 00:10:58,440 It's part of your duty as a JP. 215 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:04,269 But you can, in that position, recuse yourself every single case you could. 216 00:11:05,009 --> 00:11:05,789 It's possible. 217 00:11:06,230 --> 00:11:10,610 Somebody would be like, I mean, at that point, you're used to the Board of Civil Authority. 218 00:11:11,070 --> 00:11:17,940 If it didn't go delinquent, just a regular hearing, you might not have to recuse yourself. 219 00:11:17,940 --> 00:11:20,860 Yeah, I've looked into it a little bit. 220 00:11:21,059 --> 00:11:21,740 I'm sorry. 221 00:11:22,179 --> 00:11:23,960 I saw your email and I was waiting myself. 222 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:36,690 I do, just like I said last evening, I do tend to agree that there's certain times where everybody does the right thing and you still look like you're doing something wrong. 223 00:11:37,110 --> 00:11:40,370 And you look and say, what is it for the best of the time? 224 00:11:40,649 --> 00:11:41,830 What is it for the best of? 225 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:45,029 It's almost like even for the best of, you know, for yourself. 226 00:11:45,370 --> 00:11:45,629 Right. 227 00:11:45,830 --> 00:11:47,950 You don't want to put yourself in a compromise. 228 00:11:47,950 --> 00:11:49,950 There's really no reason for it. 229 00:11:50,509 --> 00:11:52,309 I mean, I agree with Nancy. 230 00:11:52,409 --> 00:11:52,769 I'm going to come back. 231 00:11:52,789 --> 00:11:52,909 I'm going to come back. 232 00:11:52,909 --> 00:11:52,970 I'm going to come back. 233 00:11:52,970 --> 00:11:53,049 I'm going to come back. 234 00:11:53,049 --> 00:11:53,230 I'm going to come back. 235 00:11:53,230 --> 00:11:53,330 I'm going to come back. 236 00:11:53,330 --> 00:11:53,789 I'm going to come back. 237 00:11:54,570 --> 00:12:03,279 Personally, that meeting, I don't know, I can't remember what the vote was, but you actually, I made an motion to lower your amendment in the past. 238 00:12:03,799 --> 00:12:05,019 I remember that part of it. 239 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:07,059 So your amendment actually lowered. 240 00:12:08,019 --> 00:12:16,620 So I don't think she would have been a factor at all, but that's not, I guess it doesn't matter if we vote individual stuff. 241 00:12:16,799 --> 00:12:19,000 And that was done in the executive session, though. 242 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:19,919 Yeah. 243 00:12:19,919 --> 00:12:22,460 Or deliberative session. 244 00:12:22,460 --> 00:12:22,779 Yeah. 245 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:24,519 So there was no notes on that. 246 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:25,019 Yeah. 247 00:12:25,019 --> 00:12:28,450 So, you know, but it doesn't matter. 248 00:12:28,450 --> 00:12:29,289 It's like you're saying. 249 00:12:29,289 --> 00:12:31,750 It doesn't matter what the facts were in the meeting. 250 00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:35,350 It's the perception of what could happen. 251 00:12:35,350 --> 00:12:36,169 And that's all. 252 00:12:36,169 --> 00:12:37,169 That's what we've got. 253 00:12:37,169 --> 00:12:37,669 OK. 254 00:12:37,669 --> 00:12:41,409 How long has this individual had all these positions? 255 00:12:41,409 --> 00:12:42,409 About 10 years. 256 00:12:42,409 --> 00:12:43,210 10 years? 257 00:12:43,210 --> 00:12:44,710 More. 258 00:12:44,710 --> 00:12:46,210 More than 10? 259 00:12:46,210 --> 00:12:47,289 Just about. 260 00:12:47,289 --> 00:12:49,809 So I would recommend as a board. 261 00:12:49,809 --> 00:12:53,049 No, JP and delinquent tax collector. 262 00:12:53,049 --> 00:12:54,850 As a board member, I would recommend 263 00:12:54,850 --> 00:12:56,590 that we have an executive session 264 00:12:56,590 --> 00:13:00,110 to talk to her as an employee. 265 00:13:00,110 --> 00:13:00,610 Sure. 266 00:13:00,610 --> 00:13:03,110 And talk to her and discuss it with her 267 00:13:03,110 --> 00:13:06,789 and see if there's a road that we can go down 268 00:13:06,789 --> 00:13:12,960 to everybody's agreement. 269 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,259 It may be smooth. 270 00:13:14,259 --> 00:13:15,159 It may not be. 271 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:19,120 We will be reviewing employees so that can be brought up 272 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:19,840 in there, too. 273 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,620 I think that's something we should take both sides of a star. 274 00:13:23,620 --> 00:13:26,179 Take both sides of a star. 275 00:13:26,179 --> 00:13:27,419 As a board, look at it. 276 00:13:27,419 --> 00:13:29,659 You know, Pete's giving his side of the story and taking 277 00:13:29,659 --> 00:13:31,240 the other side of the story and look at the left. 278 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,539 You can excuse yourself. 279 00:13:33,539 --> 00:13:37,179 And look into the, you know, what the state says 280 00:13:37,179 --> 00:13:38,659 and go from there. 281 00:13:38,659 --> 00:13:39,659 What was that now? 282 00:13:39,659 --> 00:13:42,419 She can always excuse herself. 283 00:13:42,419 --> 00:13:44,259 Yeah, but if you're doing it for every meeting. 284 00:13:44,259 --> 00:13:44,759 Correct. 285 00:13:44,759 --> 00:13:48,870 But that's, you know. 286 00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:49,950 For that certain board. 287 00:13:49,950 --> 00:13:53,220 That's what I'm just, and that's why I asked that question. 288 00:13:53,220 --> 00:13:58,509 And I think that it's something 289 00:13:58,509 --> 00:14:02,549 that we should respect, something that didn't work 290 00:14:02,549 --> 00:14:04,049 for 10 years or something. 291 00:14:04,049 --> 00:14:05,690 I don't think it's a personal thing. 292 00:14:05,690 --> 00:14:09,840 I think it's a, it may be. 293 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,299 I don't know if it is personal or not. 294 00:14:11,299 --> 00:14:12,759 I don't care. 295 00:14:12,759 --> 00:14:15,620 I do agree that it doesn't matter whose name was in that. 296 00:14:15,620 --> 00:14:18,259 You just say, like you said, if it was me or the janitor 297 00:14:18,259 --> 00:14:20,600 and all of these other, when you just throw someone's name 298 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,129 in there, it's still the same issue. 299 00:14:24,129 --> 00:14:25,250 Yeah. 300 00:14:25,250 --> 00:14:28,909 If this person is the delinquent tax collector, 301 00:14:28,909 --> 00:14:29,409 Mm-hmm. 302 00:14:29,409 --> 00:14:31,110 Or that person may be in any town. 303 00:14:31,110 --> 00:14:31,610 Right. 304 00:14:31,610 --> 00:14:33,070 If that person doesn't have anything 305 00:14:33,070 --> 00:14:35,169 to do with the other boards, it's a debt issue. 306 00:14:35,169 --> 00:14:35,669 Yeah. 307 00:14:35,669 --> 00:14:36,169 Right. 308 00:14:36,169 --> 00:14:36,669 Right. 309 00:14:36,669 --> 00:14:37,169 Yeah. 310 00:14:37,169 --> 00:14:37,669 Great. 311 00:14:37,669 --> 00:14:39,629 I collect taxes and I don't care how you get paid. 312 00:14:39,629 --> 00:14:40,129 Right. 313 00:14:40,129 --> 00:14:40,629 Or whatever. 314 00:14:40,629 --> 00:14:42,169 I don't care how you get your money. 315 00:14:42,169 --> 00:14:43,490 That's not my job. 316 00:14:43,490 --> 00:14:45,629 I mean, it would be, I mean, maybe it's a good time 317 00:14:45,629 --> 00:14:47,909 to bring up, or maybe it's an appeal to the public. 318 00:14:47,909 --> 00:14:51,629 It would be nice to get some diversification, I guess, 319 00:14:51,629 --> 00:14:52,590 in a lot of these boards. 320 00:14:52,590 --> 00:14:53,090 Sure. 321 00:14:53,090 --> 00:14:54,549 And get more people involved that we 322 00:14:54,549 --> 00:14:58,029 don't have to be repetitive and have to serve on two, three, 323 00:14:58,029 --> 00:14:58,529 four boards. 324 00:14:58,529 --> 00:14:59,409 That's the other thing. 325 00:14:59,409 --> 00:15:02,649 I thought of it the last thing, Kurt, was this town, 326 00:15:02,649 --> 00:15:05,350 and Pete called me out on it and said, you know, 327 00:15:05,350 --> 00:15:11,009 I say it all the time, we're fortunate that we have people, 328 00:15:11,009 --> 00:15:14,690 right, you know, we're literally adding elections, 329 00:15:14,690 --> 00:15:20,860 that people are going, wow, we had a run-off election to, 330 00:15:20,860 --> 00:15:23,440 you know, other towns would be going, jeez, 331 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,139 we got a wall of openings here, you know, for all these boards. 332 00:15:27,139 --> 00:15:29,379 We're fortunate enough to have people saying, hey, 333 00:15:29,379 --> 00:15:33,279 if there's an opening for that board, put me on the list, 334 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:38,659 you've done that, you know, put me on the, you know, 335 00:15:38,659 --> 00:15:41,360 clean up or whatever you want to call it, you know, 336 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,809 and I'll jump in, I'll do it, you know. 337 00:15:43,809 --> 00:15:46,429 So it's fortunate we have that. 338 00:15:46,429 --> 00:15:49,110 So if we are having that, that's a great time 339 00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:54,409 to let that new generation step in. 340 00:15:54,409 --> 00:15:56,409 I mean, we're going to have to replace certain people 341 00:15:56,409 --> 00:15:57,509 at some point, right? 342 00:15:57,509 --> 00:15:58,009 So. 343 00:15:58,009 --> 00:15:59,210 And I don't think that. 344 00:15:59,210 --> 00:15:59,929 It would be nice to have it. 345 00:15:59,929 --> 00:16:02,429 The position that we're talking about is a very, 346 00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:06,169 it's an important position, but it's a very big board. 347 00:16:06,169 --> 00:16:06,789 Right. 348 00:16:06,789 --> 00:16:08,909 You know, that board of abatement. 349 00:16:08,909 --> 00:16:09,409 Yeah. 350 00:16:09,409 --> 00:16:11,590 So the authority is a big board. 351 00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:12,230 12 or 13. 352 00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:14,250 12, 13 people on that board. 353 00:16:14,250 --> 00:16:18,090 It's a big board, so it's one individual 354 00:16:18,090 --> 00:16:19,929 doesn't have a ton of power. 355 00:16:19,929 --> 00:16:20,429 Right. 356 00:16:20,429 --> 00:16:24,289 The tax collector has much more power than that. 357 00:16:24,289 --> 00:16:31,340 I guess it's not so much the sway of the vote, it's the opinion. 358 00:16:31,340 --> 00:16:33,700 That shouldn't be had. 359 00:16:33,700 --> 00:16:38,539 OK, so for example, if I didn't pay, I'll use myself because I did it. 360 00:16:38,539 --> 00:16:43,149 That when I go from the board of civil authority, 361 00:16:43,149 --> 00:16:44,970 I hadn't paid my taxes. 362 00:16:44,970 --> 00:16:46,789 OK, and I didn't pay my taxes for a reason. 363 00:16:46,789 --> 00:16:49,490 I wasn't going to give you the money and have to sit and wait for a check from you guys. 364 00:16:49,490 --> 00:16:49,990 Whatever. 365 00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:52,850 I'll pay my $300 fine, whatever. 366 00:16:52,850 --> 00:16:53,590 OK. 367 00:16:53,590 --> 00:17:00,190 So that should have been, that individual that was sitting in that position should have recused 368 00:17:00,190 --> 00:17:00,690 themselves. 369 00:17:00,690 --> 00:17:01,190 From that. 370 00:17:01,190 --> 00:17:01,490 Yeah. 371 00:17:01,490 --> 00:17:06,359 That any conversation and a vote didn't happen. 372 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,980 So that's all I can vouch for. 373 00:17:08,980 --> 00:17:11,759 I can't vouch for any other person's hearing. 374 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:16,319 But that to me is where I see an issue. 375 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:17,519 That's it. 376 00:17:17,519 --> 00:17:23,369 Before this happened with you, I never thought about it. 377 00:17:23,369 --> 00:17:26,130 And I don't think any of us ever thought there was a conflict. 378 00:17:26,130 --> 00:17:29,130 During that hearing, when it's in the public, 379 00:17:29,130 --> 00:17:31,789 she could show up and say, let's go have an opinion. 380 00:17:31,789 --> 00:17:33,789 Nothing we can do about that, right? 381 00:17:33,789 --> 00:17:36,789 So anyone could have it go in a public opinion. 382 00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:42,789 It's in the deliberation that the opinion would be squashed. 383 00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:45,789 Yeah, because anybody can come and sit at this meeting and have an opinion. 384 00:17:45,789 --> 00:17:50,789 I mean, are people going to frown on that individual, whoever it may be? 385 00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:52,789 You know, maybe, but that's not who I am. 386 00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:54,789 It's a public forum. 387 00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:56,789 You can come and say whatever you want. 388 00:17:56,789 --> 00:17:57,789 But in terms of... 389 00:17:57,789 --> 00:17:59,789 It's no different when I go to a plan board meeting. 390 00:17:59,789 --> 00:18:00,789 I'm a slight board member. 391 00:18:00,789 --> 00:18:01,789 But I go there. 392 00:18:01,789 --> 00:18:04,789 As an individual saying, hey, look, yeah, you know I'm a slight board member, 393 00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:06,789 but it doesn't hold water. 394 00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:09,789 I admit I don't have any authority there. 395 00:18:09,789 --> 00:18:13,789 I just say, well, I have an opinion that you guys should be doing this 396 00:18:13,789 --> 00:18:14,789 and give you my opinion. 397 00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:15,789 It may sway you. 398 00:18:15,789 --> 00:18:16,789 It may not. 399 00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:17,789 Absolutely. 400 00:18:17,789 --> 00:18:20,200 Okay. 401 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,200 Well, I still have it on my list. 402 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,200 I'm still... 403 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,200 I'd like to put that on our agenda if you don't mind. 404 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:29,200 No. 405 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,200 We're going to be doing it anyway. 406 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,200 We're not going to lose it. 407 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,200 We're not going to lose it. 408 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,200 We're not going to lose it. 409 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,200 We're not going to lose it. 410 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,200 I do agree. 411 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,200 One more thing I agree with is just kicking a can stuff. 412 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,200 I can't stand it. 413 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:39,200 Whenever we talk about it, it works for me. 414 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,200 Yeah, that whole like it used to be that way. 415 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:41,200 So, why? 416 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:42,200 Is that what you're talking about? 417 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,200 No. 418 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,200 Just kicking a can like... 419 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,200 Oh, just keep it going. 420 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,200 Next meeting. 421 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,200 Let's talk about it next meeting. 422 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,200 Hey, you guys want to put a sign up? 423 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,200 Let's talk about it next meeting. 424 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,200 Yeah, yeah. 425 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,200 Four years later, we'll still have it. 426 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,200 You know, stuff like that. 427 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,200 So, clean it up. 428 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,200 We were talking about, oh, we're going to do this. 429 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:06,200 And then, you know, we've been 10 years talking about who owns this building. 430 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,200 Ten years. 431 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:08,200 So... 432 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,200 On Sesame Street, when you were about five or six years old, there was a hole in the 433 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,200 bucket. 434 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,200 Yeah. 435 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,200 Oh, yeah. 436 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,200 There was a hole in the bucket. 437 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,200 There was a hole in the bucket. 438 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,200 Sheila, when... 439 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,200 I'm trying to plug it. 440 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,200 Yeah. 441 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:26,200 Sheila, when has anybody taken out papers to run against this person? 442 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,200 Anybody can take out papers and run against somebody. 443 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,200 Yeah. 444 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,200 Uh... 445 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:39,650 It's been probably this year, no more than 20 or 30 years. 446 00:19:39,650 --> 00:19:41,650 Oh, for collector delinquent taxes? 447 00:19:41,650 --> 00:19:43,650 Oh, no, no, no, no, the Justice of the Peace Act. 448 00:19:43,650 --> 00:19:45,650 I voted for the Justice of the Peace Act. 449 00:19:45,650 --> 00:19:47,650 Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 450 00:19:47,650 --> 00:19:49,650 I couldn't agree more. 451 00:19:49,650 --> 00:19:53,650 Oh, yeah, yeah, this has nothing to do with it. 452 00:19:53,650 --> 00:19:59,650 I'm just saying if there is a conflict, the easiest thing to do is to say, 453 00:19:59,650 --> 00:20:02,650 you know, hey, these two boards here, there's a conflict. 454 00:20:02,650 --> 00:20:03,650 Yeah, I agree. 455 00:20:03,650 --> 00:20:07,650 Let's just say we bring it up to the person and they say, yeah, I agree with that. 456 00:20:07,650 --> 00:20:12,650 If they don't agree, then there's another, then we have to do something about it. 457 00:20:12,650 --> 00:20:15,650 Exactly, I mean, the Justice of the Peace one is expandable to me. 458 00:20:15,650 --> 00:20:16,650 Yeah. 459 00:20:16,650 --> 00:20:18,650 She needs to be the collector delinquent. 460 00:20:18,650 --> 00:20:21,650 Oh, yeah, yeah, that's a tough decision. 461 00:20:21,650 --> 00:20:23,650 I couldn't agree more with that. 462 00:20:23,650 --> 00:20:27,130 I don't think it has anything to do with that. 463 00:20:27,130 --> 00:20:29,130 Yep, thank you. 464 00:20:29,130 --> 00:20:30,130 Thank you. 465 00:20:30,130 --> 00:20:31,160 Thank you. 466 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,160 I have one more thing to say. 467 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,160 Yep. 468 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:35,160 No. 469 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,160 Are you a dissenter? 470 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,160 No. 471 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,160 Oh. 472 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,160 No, I'm actually a co-chairman of this book now. 473 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:48,960 No, the talk about the expense of, if this happens, if someone steps down, the board 474 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,960 can appoint an elected official. 475 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:51,960 No. 476 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:52,960 Correct. 477 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:53,960 Not the J.P. 478 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:54,960 Not the J.P. 479 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:55,960 Okay, so I'm asking that question. 480 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:56,960 Yeah, the governor's going to appoint. 481 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,960 But then we're going to have to have another election. 482 00:20:58,960 --> 00:20:59,960 No. 483 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:00,960 No, the state. 484 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:01,960 Oh, the state. 485 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:02,960 Okay, I got a question. 486 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:03,960 The state appoints. 487 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:04,960 Okay. 488 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:05,960 And I know you're here with a sweatboard. 489 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:06,960 Right. 490 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,960 I'm not 100%, but I think that they might take a recommendation. 491 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:10,960 Okay. 492 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,960 Like, for example, we'll just use an example, the runoff that just happened. 493 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:14,960 Yep. 494 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:15,960 One person won, one person lost. 495 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:16,960 Right. 496 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:17,960 The board may be able to say the loser's name. 497 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:18,960 The loser would be the recommender. 498 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:19,960 Because it's so fresh. 499 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:20,960 Correct. 500 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:21,960 That's what we did with the sweatboard. 501 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:22,960 It was so fresh. 502 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:23,960 We had a sweatboard member left right now. 503 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:24,960 I don't know if they'll take it as any weight. 504 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:25,960 I don't know. 505 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:26,960 I don't know. 506 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,960 I don't know. 507 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:28,960 I don't know. 508 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:29,960 But maybe they will. 509 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:30,960 But I would assume that they probably would if that person had been there for, you know, 510 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:31,960 a couple times. 511 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:32,960 But no, the sweatboard can only the state can do the JP. 512 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:33,960 Is something to do with a JP is more of a regional or a county position? 513 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:34,960 Yeah. 514 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:35,960 Yeah, because something about. 515 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:36,960 Yeah, because their election happens a different time, right? 516 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:37,960 Yeah. 517 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:38,960 I'm good. 518 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:39,960 Okay. 519 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:40,960 Thanks. 520 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:41,960 Regular minutes of November 21st. 521 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:42,960 Can I have a question? 522 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:43,960 Yeah. 523 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:44,960 Okay. 524 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:45,960 I have a question. 525 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,960 Okay. 526 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,700 I have a question. 527 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:49,700 I have a question. 528 00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:50,700 I have a question. 529 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:51,700 I have a question. 530 00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:52,700 I have a question. 531 00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:54,279 I have a question. 532 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:55,279 I have a question. 533 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:56,279 I have a question. 534 00:21:56,279 --> 00:21:57,279 I have a question. 535 00:21:57,279 --> 00:21:58,279 I have a question. 536 00:21:58,279 --> 00:22:02,500 On November 21st, can I have a motion? 537 00:22:02,500 --> 00:22:03,500 Sure. 538 00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:05,690 To accept them? 539 00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:06,690 Sure. 540 00:22:06,690 --> 00:22:07,690 As written? 541 00:22:07,690 --> 00:22:08,690 I wasn't here. 542 00:22:08,690 --> 00:22:09,690 They weren't here? 543 00:22:09,690 --> 00:22:10,690 That was the last meeting I had. 544 00:22:10,690 --> 00:22:11,690 Right. 545 00:22:11,690 --> 00:22:12,690 Kurt was at repairs. 546 00:22:12,690 --> 00:22:13,690 John, you were here, weren't you? 547 00:22:13,690 --> 00:22:14,690 Yeah, I was. 548 00:22:14,690 --> 00:22:16,200 You won Sen. 549 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,200 I was 2nd. 550 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,079 Bay, right? 551 00:22:21,079 --> 00:22:22,079 Road conditions. 552 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:23,079 réussed . 553 00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:24,079 They just went to bed? 554 00:22:24,079 --> 00:22:25,079 Yup. 555 00:22:25,079 --> 00:22:26,079 Instead of snowing out? 556 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:27,079 Yup. 557 00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:29,180 Thanksgiving Day, you had to work, and then you had to work again? 558 00:22:29,180 --> 00:22:30,180 Yep. 559 00:22:30,180 --> 00:22:31,220 Maybeán 560 00:22:31,220 --> 00:22:37,140 work again that's 24 hours of plow yep and he had a breakdown he just sat on top of maltese road 561 00:22:37,140 --> 00:22:44,779 when the plow came off the truck and it wasn't fun he said he spent half the day under the truck and 562 00:22:44,779 --> 00:22:55,150 half of it in it yeah he loved to walk home recycling laura you had something on recycling 563 00:22:55,150 --> 00:23:07,380 yeah we had a surprise inspection from the state agency yeah showed up unplanned 564 00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:13,059 he was able to not do a full inspection because there weren't people there 565 00:23:14,660 --> 00:23:19,859 but he said the area was tidy he did not observe any solid waste violations 566 00:23:21,220 --> 00:23:26,180 he sent this email as a courtesy appreciation of our work and 567 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:36,819 how well we're taking care of it could you um put that in dave's box let him know and probably 568 00:23:36,819 --> 00:23:58,480 give a copy to buzz and laura um anything else on recycling discussion review and 569 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:04,420 revise highway ordinance um this is one of those kick the can ones i read it 570 00:24:05,779 --> 00:24:12,160 i don't have any problems with your changes well if you want to i do change it that's fine 571 00:24:13,980 --> 00:24:19,099 discuss it discuss it i would like to talk to dave there's a couple things on here that 572 00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:24,859 i wasn't quite sure of what we meant and we did when we did talk to dave a while ago it 573 00:24:24,859 --> 00:24:31,180 was probably in august which one was a while ago yeah and dave has not seen this right so 574 00:24:31,180 --> 00:24:35,900 i'd like dave to look at it and if i can talk to dave there's a couple of spots where we can talk to dave 575 00:24:36,059 --> 00:24:43,900 just have trail but we probably should have said legal trails because we have legal trails um okay 576 00:24:47,740 --> 00:24:48,299 yeah right 577 00:24:50,539 --> 00:24:57,740 and there's a couple spots in here where we have the standard where agency of transportation using 578 00:24:57,740 --> 00:25:05,180 the standard plan b71 well that's now outdated so we probably should note it in the ordinance too 579 00:25:05,180 --> 00:25:06,779 but i want to run it by day 580 00:25:06,859 --> 00:25:11,519 then and i think there was one spot we said to remove this word 581 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,680 but i don't think we removed it but maybe it was by notes two of them 582 00:25:19,789 --> 00:25:24,500 so i just want to make sure oh and uh haggard is bridge 583 00:25:26,819 --> 00:25:31,220 i know we've got to come up with it he's got to see if there's a number on that bridge 584 00:25:32,420 --> 00:25:34,819 because does anybody know not you sheila 585 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:39,380 do you know where haggard is their bridges don't answer that 586 00:25:39,460 --> 00:25:45,859 because you know where it is yes but uh so nobody knows we're having these bridges so this 587 00:25:45,859 --> 00:25:51,539 you want to know no we know yes i do want to know oh maybe he might be east road 588 00:25:52,900 --> 00:26:00,829 there's a bridge up there yeah yeah oh it goes over uh there's a little stream there that's a 589 00:26:00,829 --> 00:26:03,869 bridge 590 00:26:07,069 --> 00:26:07,869 yeah 591 00:26:07,869 --> 00:26:09,710 yeah so we might get 592 00:26:09,710 --> 00:26:15,069 it might be better to have a bridge number or okay so we're gonna have dave pick through this 593 00:26:15,069 --> 00:26:18,829 with you yeah we should have gave him that's before he left i don't know i don't think he's 594 00:26:18,829 --> 00:26:26,269 tired then nobody will know where it is with a number i know you're the only one in this room 595 00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:31,150 that knew where it was if you would answer i knew where haggard was yeah i would yeah 596 00:26:33,309 --> 00:26:39,069 do i want to say to all people or just the people that lived in stanford forever yeah right right 597 00:26:40,589 --> 00:26:48,670 so if i can work with dave and laurie and see if we can just get dave in here a few minutes and 598 00:26:48,670 --> 00:26:54,980 pick the game again i know well it's better to have it now than go in the paper got the word 599 00:26:54,980 --> 00:27:06,900 insured you i'm thinking that it was our computer i think it was operator era and i think she caught 600 00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:10,019 it but i think it was operator era 10 years ago 601 00:27:10,259 --> 00:27:15,460 oh no yes 10 years was your glory so yeah before that i see everything 602 00:27:22,660 --> 00:27:29,490 sounded okay so it's not right enough i'm sure you want to talk about the insurance 603 00:27:31,890 --> 00:27:35,009 you want to insure something because we're saying that you're wrong 604 00:27:36,130 --> 00:27:36,289 sure 605 00:27:37,089 --> 00:27:37,569 edges 606 00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:39,009 or the 607 00:27:39,730 --> 00:27:40,210 is 608 00:27:40,289 --> 00:27:42,289 uh 609 00:27:42,289 --> 00:27:46,369 you and that's that's kind of waiting for us that's too far back 610 00:27:48,369 --> 00:27:52,930 oh come on you know all the history i know i don't know a lot of history 611 00:27:52,930 --> 00:27:57,410 in that house other than that i didn't see if there was somebody in there before in between 612 00:27:57,410 --> 00:28:02,529 but yeah i know i know it was an old house a long time ago i probably used to work for that 613 00:28:04,769 --> 00:28:05,970 when they had a little farmland 614 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:08,670 all right um 615 00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:10,109 of course 616 00:28:10,109 --> 00:28:18,289 um 617 00:28:19,009 --> 00:28:25,009 signed the grant agreement i think we two meetings ago the 33 000 for the garage doors and stuff 618 00:28:27,150 --> 00:28:32,910 now we have to sign an affirmation of use of funds basically saying we agreed to use the funds 619 00:28:32,910 --> 00:28:37,900 to handle the student purposes to us okay 620 00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:43,490 before we're going to top the papers they've given us funds now we've got to use it for the rest of the year 621 00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:45,490 All of us or just me? 622 00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:47,490 All of us. 623 00:28:47,490 --> 00:28:59,990 And we also would like to apply for a new grant every, I don't know what it is now, 624 00:28:59,990 --> 00:29:01,990 five or ten years. 625 00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:06,990 The state tells Dave he has to go through and do an inventory of all of his culverts, 626 00:29:06,990 --> 00:29:10,059 his water crossings, everything. 627 00:29:10,059 --> 00:29:15,059 And last time we had the DCRC guys come down and go around with them 628 00:29:15,059 --> 00:29:19,059 because they have to map, you know, if there's critical problems, 629 00:29:19,059 --> 00:29:22,059 you know, minor problems, if everything is good, 630 00:29:22,059 --> 00:29:25,059 and put everything on a priority list. 631 00:29:25,059 --> 00:29:29,059 And so Dave felt it was good to have their assistance last time 632 00:29:29,059 --> 00:29:34,059 and would like to get a grant to hire them to do the same thing this time. 633 00:29:34,059 --> 00:29:42,559 So the first step would be to sign a letter of intent saying we intend to file some grant. 634 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:43,559 We intend. 635 00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:44,559 We intend. 636 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:45,559 We intend. 637 00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:46,559 That we will file. 638 00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:47,559 We will file. 639 00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:48,559 Yeah. 640 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:49,559 Then we'll say we're going to do it. 641 00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:50,559 Yeah. 642 00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:51,559 And then we will use the money to put it back. 643 00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:52,559 Then you file it. 644 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:53,559 Yeah. 645 00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:54,559 You intend to and then you do it. 646 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,640 And that's how I have it. 647 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,640 Do those culverts and stuff go on the class four rows or just threes? 648 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,220 I'm not complaining. 649 00:30:07,220 --> 00:30:08,220 I'm just asking. 650 00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:11,210 No problem. 651 00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:12,210 That's a question for Dave. 652 00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:15,210 Who replaces the culvert if there's an issue? 653 00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:18,210 I would say yes. 654 00:30:18,210 --> 00:30:19,210 I would assume. 655 00:30:19,210 --> 00:30:21,210 I would assume that Dave. 656 00:30:21,210 --> 00:30:22,210 Yeah, the culvert. 657 00:30:22,210 --> 00:30:23,210 I'm not complaining. 658 00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:24,210 I'm just saying. 659 00:30:24,210 --> 00:30:25,210 I know he's got a lot of other priorities. 660 00:30:25,210 --> 00:30:26,210 Those are probably all majorly undersigned. 661 00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:27,210 They're rushed. 662 00:30:27,210 --> 00:30:28,210 Crushed. 663 00:30:28,210 --> 00:30:29,210 I mean crushed. 664 00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:30,210 Cast iron. 665 00:30:30,210 --> 00:30:31,210 Got it. 666 00:30:31,210 --> 00:30:32,210 You know. 667 00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:33,210 Climbed. 668 00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:34,210 Yeah. 669 00:30:34,210 --> 00:30:35,460 Yeah. 670 00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:36,460 There's no one. 671 00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:37,460 Non-existent. 672 00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:38,460 We open them up on our own. 673 00:30:38,460 --> 00:30:39,460 We don't have a problem doing that. 674 00:30:39,460 --> 00:30:40,460 I just. 675 00:30:40,460 --> 00:30:41,460 I don't have a problem fixing them, you know, by my hand. 676 00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:42,460 And nobody else has a problem. 677 00:30:42,460 --> 00:30:43,460 As long as we don't hear from the other side going, hey, you can't do that. 678 00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:44,460 We can't work together. 679 00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:45,460 You know. 680 00:30:45,460 --> 00:30:46,460 Yeah. 681 00:30:46,460 --> 00:30:47,460 Yeah. 682 00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:48,460 Yeah. 683 00:30:48,460 --> 00:30:49,460 Yeah. 684 00:30:49,460 --> 00:30:50,460 Yeah. 685 00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:51,460 Yeah. 686 00:30:51,460 --> 00:30:52,460 Yeah. 687 00:30:52,460 --> 00:30:53,460 Yeah. 688 00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:54,460 Yeah. 689 00:30:54,460 --> 00:30:55,460 Yeah. 690 00:30:55,460 --> 00:30:56,460 Yeah. 691 00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:57,460 Yeah. 692 00:30:57,460 --> 00:30:58,460 Yeah. 693 00:30:58,460 --> 00:30:59,460 Yeah. 694 00:30:59,460 --> 00:31:00,460 Yeah. 695 00:31:00,460 --> 00:31:01,460 Yeah. 696 00:31:01,460 --> 00:31:02,460 Yeah. 697 00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:03,460 Yeah. 698 00:31:03,460 --> 00:31:04,460 Yeah. 699 00:31:04,460 --> 00:31:05,460 Yeah. 700 00:31:05,460 --> 00:31:06,460 Yeah. 701 00:31:06,460 --> 00:31:07,460 Yeah. 702 00:31:07,460 --> 00:31:08,460 Yeah. 703 00:31:08,460 --> 00:31:09,460 Yeah. 704 00:31:09,460 --> 00:31:10,460 Yeah. 705 00:31:10,460 --> 00:31:11,460 Yeah. 706 00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:12,460 Yeah. 707 00:31:12,460 --> 00:31:13,460 Yeah. 708 00:31:13,460 --> 00:31:14,460 Yeah. 709 00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:15,460 Yeah. 710 00:31:15,460 --> 00:31:16,460 Some states are, like, mapping them all out. 711 00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:17,460 Every single color. 712 00:31:17,460 --> 00:31:18,460 Masses. 713 00:31:18,460 --> 00:31:19,460 Every single color in the entire state. 714 00:31:19,460 --> 00:31:20,460 Wow. 715 00:31:20,460 --> 00:31:21,460 They're asking quite volunteers. 716 00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:22,460 We have it now on one of our GAS. 717 00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:23,460 Yeah. 718 00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:32,460 A lot of it's to do with, a lot of it's in the climate adapt, adaption money, um, fish, fish passages, things like that. 719 00:31:32,460 --> 00:31:35,460 Not just... There ain't no fish going through these out there. 720 00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:39,460 That's where the, that's where the money's at, the research, why they're trying to document them all. 721 00:31:39,460 --> 00:31:40,460 Sure. 722 00:31:40,460 --> 00:31:42,690 Broke trail. Broke trail. 723 00:31:42,690 --> 00:31:46,319 All about the broke trail. 724 00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:48,319 Yeah, they all went down to Beaver Street anyway. 725 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:50,319 Yeah, exactly. 726 00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:53,319 Went down to the park, the dam. 727 00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:57,319 No, not down past that, up, up, up, upper Hudson Broke Trail. 728 00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:01,319 I can put a message in a bottle and send it to you down at your place, from my dam. 729 00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:02,319 Oh yeah? 730 00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:03,319 Yeah. 731 00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:04,319 Yeah. 732 00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:09,960 Starts up there, that tool they split as my borderline goes up. 733 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,960 There's one by, there's one by the property line, and I consider the source of Hudson out past county. 734 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,960 Yeah. 735 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,960 I always go to the farther point where water, water comes in. 736 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,960 So both Hudson and Hoosix are in, well, Hoosix and Harborville, but... 737 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,960 Right. 738 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,599 They all stay under water. 739 00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:33,819 Okay, Monday night, we have a town meeting at seven? 740 00:32:33,819 --> 00:32:34,819 Seven. 741 00:32:34,819 --> 00:32:36,240 Seven. 742 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,240 So, I should have made this. 743 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,240 Yeah, make some copies of that. 744 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,240 That's just the outline of what happened. 745 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,369 It might be good to have it at a town meeting. 746 00:32:48,369 --> 00:32:54,559 Paul Lathier did send us a, an email that the, 747 00:32:54,559 --> 00:33:00,910 that the truck was coming in $15,000 less than they thought. 748 00:33:00,910 --> 00:33:03,910 So, we will have enough money. 749 00:33:03,910 --> 00:33:06,910 We were going to be short about $1,500. 750 00:33:06,910 --> 00:33:07,910 And now... 751 00:33:07,910 --> 00:33:08,910 Covered. 752 00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:10,910 It's covered. 753 00:33:10,910 --> 00:33:20,069 I'm thinking the, we have been putting $50,000 away each year from the new fire truck. 754 00:33:20,069 --> 00:33:23,069 Now to pay for this fire truck, 755 00:33:23,069 --> 00:33:28,420 I'm thinking between $55,000 and $60,000 a year. 756 00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:29,420 But I'm not sure. 757 00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:32,420 But I don't know until we get the loan. 758 00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:35,420 But we will know at budget time because... 759 00:33:35,420 --> 00:33:37,619 But we can go back and see. 760 00:33:37,619 --> 00:33:40,619 Yeah, we said not to exceed $270,000. 761 00:33:40,619 --> 00:33:41,619 Yeah. 762 00:33:41,619 --> 00:33:43,619 $270,000 to borrow. 763 00:33:43,619 --> 00:33:49,619 But we'll find out by budget time what we need to put in our budget to pay for the fire truck. 764 00:33:49,619 --> 00:33:52,940 But this meeting is just to cover what we didn't do. 765 00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:54,940 What we didn't do is buy the truck. 766 00:33:54,940 --> 00:33:55,940 Right. 767 00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:58,940 If you see the outline that I wrote up... 768 00:33:58,940 --> 00:34:01,940 We got a vote, right? 769 00:34:01,940 --> 00:34:03,190 Yeah. 770 00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:05,190 We got a vote to pay for the truck. 771 00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:06,220 Put money away for the truck. 772 00:34:06,220 --> 00:34:08,219 But we didn't get the vote to buy it. 773 00:34:08,219 --> 00:34:09,219 Yeah. 774 00:34:09,219 --> 00:34:10,219 And that's our deal. 775 00:34:10,219 --> 00:34:12,219 March of 2022. 776 00:34:12,219 --> 00:34:20,219 This is when it started to put $50,000 into a fire truck replacement fund. 777 00:34:20,219 --> 00:34:23,289 But there was already $81,000. 778 00:34:23,289 --> 00:34:27,289 We were putting like $5,000 or $10,000 a year. 779 00:34:27,289 --> 00:34:28,289 Right. 780 00:34:28,289 --> 00:34:31,289 And we realized that was not going to be enough. 781 00:34:31,289 --> 00:34:39,670 So in December of 2022, we estimated the cost at $498,000. 782 00:34:39,670 --> 00:34:43,670 But that was just a ballpark figure. 783 00:34:43,670 --> 00:34:51,769 Then in 2023, the fire department intends to purchase the chassis from the replacement fund. 784 00:34:51,769 --> 00:34:54,769 We won't need the rest of the financing for another couple of years. 785 00:34:54,769 --> 00:34:57,769 These were all taken from our minutes. 786 00:34:57,769 --> 00:35:01,769 And then in 2023, still too soon to start the loan process. 787 00:35:01,769 --> 00:35:04,769 It won't be ready for 2024, 2025. 788 00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:16,179 Then in July 2024, Select Board authorized the payment of $107,000 for the cab and chassis. 789 00:35:16,179 --> 00:35:20,179 And my written note said it will cost $526,000. 790 00:35:20,179 --> 00:35:23,179 And that's probably when we should have started warning for it. 791 00:35:23,179 --> 00:35:25,179 It's a very special town meeting. 792 00:35:25,179 --> 00:35:29,300 But we just assumed that it was done. 793 00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:35,300 And then the bank picked up on it that we need townspeople approval. 794 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:42,300 And it's also a state law that when we're buying something like that, we do need townspeople approval. 795 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:46,300 So hopefully, everybody will approve the purchase of a fire truck. 796 00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:52,460 Otherwise, we'd have a fire truck partially paid for that's not ours. 797 00:35:52,460 --> 00:36:00,159 And we need $133,000 due from the town. 798 00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:04,159 And we have about $147,000 already set aside for it. 799 00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:12,159 So our loan is we're asking the townspeople to approve the purchase of a fire truck for Article 1. 800 00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:18,340 Second article is to borrow up to $270,000. 801 00:36:18,340 --> 00:36:23,690 So hopefully, everything goes well. 802 00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:34,269 And we don't have a snowstorm because that will cut down on the town. 803 00:36:34,269 --> 00:37:05,150 There's just a 804 00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:06,150 Yes. 805 00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:09,150 And then the other thing is so can we redirect that? 806 00:37:09,150 --> 00:37:10,150 Do we have time? 807 00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:11,409 Yeah. 808 00:37:11,409 --> 00:37:39,639 we can redirect it and it's got to be done by December 31st. So let's ask for it and next meeting we can talk about maybe someone we can redirect that money. Even if it's just into a fund that we already have, a savings fund. No, it has to be. We can put it onto the East Road chip seal project, our percentage. 809 00:37:41,599 --> 00:38:04,150 Oh, that's not covered. We didn't cover the whole thing. I don't know if we did. Well, we'll look into it. We'll have to look into it. I thought we covered a whole lot. Maybe we could use it for recycling improvements. That might be covered. That might be covered. But we have to have it done by the end of December. Otherwise, it goes back. 810 00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:11,650 We need to sign anything about it? 811 00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:15,329 Just say it in the meeting. Just make a motion at a meeting. 812 00:38:15,329 --> 00:38:18,449 Can I ask for it back? No, to commit. 813 00:38:18,449 --> 00:38:22,429 Just to be committed and not be spent. 814 00:38:22,429 --> 00:38:33,150 I have to make quarterly filing. Oh, the quarterly file. Okay. I probably will have to report that it's all been committed. Okay. And then we have another meeting. 815 00:38:33,150 --> 00:38:41,550 That's how we're going to reach out in the next 3 weeks. We'll come up with something. I'm sure you can spend $7,500 or something that's needed. 816 00:38:41,550 --> 00:38:45,849 As long as we come up with something, I mean, it's crazy to not use it for a long time. 817 00:38:45,849 --> 00:38:46,449 Yeah. 818 00:38:46,449 --> 00:38:53,690 That reminds me. Remember we submitted our passive grant application? 819 00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:54,349 Oh yeah. 820 00:38:54,349 --> 00:38:59,670 We did what? The eyewash? 821 00:38:59,670 --> 00:39:01,039 Yup. 822 00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:07,380 The thing, and we bought eyewash solution for it because it didn't come with it, and we bought an exit sign. 823 00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:09,880 And submitted everything. 824 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,760 They came back and said to eyewash solution is not helpful. 825 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:39,989 I had to do a revised one to take the eyewash solution bottles off and just submit it for 826 00:39:39,989 --> 00:39:40,989 the next meeting. 827 00:39:40,989 --> 00:39:41,989 I think we gotta buy an eyewash solution. 828 00:39:41,989 --> 00:39:42,989 She says you can pick a different kind. 829 00:39:42,989 --> 00:39:43,989 These kinds over here are covered. 830 00:39:43,989 --> 00:39:44,989 It's like, why? 831 00:39:44,989 --> 00:39:45,989 We have eyewash solution. 832 00:39:45,989 --> 00:39:46,989 That's a lot of water. 833 00:39:46,989 --> 00:39:47,989 Some, some. 834 00:39:47,989 --> 00:39:49,500 Exactly. 835 00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:50,500 Okay. 836 00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:51,500 Alright, that's good, Lori. 837 00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:52,500 You can buy a concentrate that you add water to or you can buy the actual solution. 838 00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:53,500 Okay. 839 00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:54,500 Okay. 840 00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:55,500 Okay. 841 00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:56,500 Okay. 842 00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:57,500 Okay. 843 00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:58,500 Okay. 844 00:39:58,500 --> 00:39:59,500 Okay. 845 00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:00,500 Okay. 846 00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:01,500 Okay. 847 00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:02,500 Okay. 848 00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:03,500 Okay. 849 00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:05,489 Okay. 850 00:40:05,489 --> 00:40:06,489 Okay. 851 00:40:06,489 --> 00:40:07,489 Okay. 852 00:40:07,489 --> 00:40:08,489 Okay. 853 00:40:08,489 --> 00:40:09,489 Okay. 854 00:40:09,489 --> 00:40:10,489 Okay. 855 00:40:10,489 --> 00:40:11,489 Okay. 856 00:40:11,489 --> 00:40:12,489 Okay. 857 00:40:12,489 --> 00:40:13,489 Okay. 858 00:40:13,489 --> 00:40:14,489 Okay. 859 00:40:14,489 --> 00:40:15,750 Okay. 860 00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:16,750 Okay. 861 00:40:16,750 --> 00:40:17,750 Okay. 862 00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:18,750 Okay. 863 00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:19,750 Okay. 864 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:20,750 Okay. 865 00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:21,750 Okay. 866 00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:22,750 Okay. 867 00:40:22,750 --> 00:40:23,750 Okay. 868 00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:24,750 Okay. 869 00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:25,750 Okay. 870 00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:26,750 Okay. 871 00:40:26,750 --> 00:40:27,750 Okay. 872 00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:28,780 Okay. 873 00:40:28,780 --> 00:40:29,780 Okay. 874 00:40:29,780 --> 00:40:30,780 Okay. 875 00:40:30,780 --> 00:40:31,780 Okay. 876 00:40:31,780 --> 00:40:32,780 Okay. 877 00:40:32,780 --> 00:40:33,780 Okay. 878 00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:34,780 Okay. 879 00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:35,780 Okay. 880 00:40:35,780 --> 00:40:36,780 Okay. 881 00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:37,780 Okay. 882 00:40:37,780 --> 00:40:38,780 Okay. 883 00:40:38,780 --> 00:40:39,780 Okay. 884 00:40:39,780 --> 00:40:40,780 Okay. 885 00:40:40,780 --> 00:40:41,780 Okay. 886 00:40:41,780 --> 00:41:04,500 I think, didn't we hire them for two years? So they should be set for, yeah, if we find out when they want to come in January, maybe we can get a fund balance by town meeting. I don't think they'll work that fast, but I know when I tried last year, I think they wanted to wait. 887 00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:35,260 I don't think they came until, what, May? That's right, they want to wait for three months. Three months after the close of the year. Yep, yep. And I can cry. We're used to the other ones that came right away in January, but these guys start a little different. Yep. Let's keep it on our list. Kick it down the road for a couple months there. Make sure they... You'll pick it on me. Yeah. 888 00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:39,099 That was good. 889 00:41:41,329 --> 00:41:43,949 Lori, you were going to talk to us about dog license. 890 00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:45,989 That's increasing through the state. 891 00:41:47,619 --> 00:41:48,800 Right. At this point, 892 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:51,059 dogs either cost $9 893 00:41:51,059 --> 00:41:52,719 or $13. 894 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,400 We get four, 895 00:41:57,619 --> 00:41:58,699 the state gets five, 896 00:41:59,139 --> 00:42:01,480 for the $9 dog. The state has decided 897 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,659 to increase their portion of the fee 898 00:42:03,659 --> 00:42:05,599 by $2. So now it's 899 00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,340 going to be $11 and $15. 900 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,679 Can we increase ours? 901 00:42:09,340 --> 00:42:10,599 Well, here's the thing. 902 00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:11,139 Here's the thing. 903 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,599 Near the end of 2022, 904 00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:17,019 maybe, 905 00:42:17,219 --> 00:42:17,380 yeah, 906 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,280 by 2023, 907 00:42:18,539 --> 00:42:21,340 when you guys were reviewing 908 00:42:21,340 --> 00:42:23,380 the dog ordinance and whatnot 909 00:42:23,380 --> 00:42:25,519 with Luke McKay, you guys made the decision 910 00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:27,579 to increase our portion 911 00:42:27,579 --> 00:42:29,039 of the dog fees by 912 00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:30,769 $10. 913 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,079 And then when January came around 914 00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,280 and we flipped the dog licensing 915 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,460 stuff over, I forgot all about it. 916 00:42:40,219 --> 00:42:41,579 So a year ago, 917 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:42,880 we wanted the licenses 918 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,000 increased $10, and it went... 919 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,219 And I had not done it. 920 00:42:47,219 --> 00:42:49,099 Did not do it for all of 2020. 921 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:49,780 Oh, boy. 922 00:42:49,780 --> 00:42:50,900 You owe us the money now. 923 00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:55,139 And it said, I think we were going to use it towards, 924 00:42:55,139 --> 00:42:59,460 it said to, we can use it to enforce its animal 925 00:42:59,460 --> 00:43:01,559 and rabies control program. 926 00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:05,159 So we thought we could use it in a special fund. 927 00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:08,519 If Luke picks up a dog that needs to be euthanized, 928 00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:09,519 this will pay for it. 929 00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,000 Or if he's got to take an injured dog, 930 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,400 we don't know the owner, 931 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,260 but the injured dog's got to go to the vet right away. 932 00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:17,659 We had one case that... 933 00:43:17,659 --> 00:43:19,099 Or I found it for three months. 934 00:43:19,099 --> 00:43:20,099 Yeah. 935 00:43:20,099 --> 00:43:21,099 That this... 936 00:43:21,099 --> 00:43:22,099 We had one case, guys. 937 00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:23,099 This money would go into that dog fund. 938 00:43:23,099 --> 00:43:24,099 I mean, like I said before, 939 00:43:24,099 --> 00:43:25,099 if the state wants to keep raising their portion, 940 00:43:25,099 --> 00:43:26,099 why don't they just take over the whole program? 941 00:43:26,099 --> 00:43:27,099 Come down and find the dogs. 942 00:43:27,099 --> 00:43:28,099 And hire the dogs. 943 00:43:28,099 --> 00:43:29,099 So that worried about, you know, rabies ultimately. 944 00:43:29,099 --> 00:43:30,099 So right now it's nine to 13. 945 00:43:30,099 --> 00:43:31,099 So you're looking to get raised at $10? 946 00:43:31,099 --> 00:43:32,099 Yeah. 947 00:43:32,099 --> 00:43:33,940 Yeah. 948 00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:34,940 Yeah. 949 00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:35,940 Yeah. 950 00:43:35,940 --> 00:43:36,940 Yeah. 951 00:43:36,940 --> 00:43:37,940 Yeah. 952 00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:38,940 Yeah. 953 00:43:38,940 --> 00:43:39,940 Yeah. 954 00:43:39,940 --> 00:43:41,130 Yeah. 955 00:43:41,130 --> 00:43:42,130 Yeah. 956 00:43:42,130 --> 00:43:43,130 Yeah. 957 00:43:43,130 --> 00:43:44,130 Yeah. 958 00:43:44,130 --> 00:43:45,130 Yeah. 959 00:43:45,130 --> 00:43:46,130 Yeah. 960 00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:47,130 Yeah. 961 00:43:47,130 --> 00:43:48,130 Yeah. 962 00:43:48,130 --> 00:43:49,130 Yeah. 963 00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:50,130 Yeah. 964 00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:51,130 Yeah. 965 00:43:51,130 --> 00:43:52,130 So about two years for both, 966 00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:53,130 is that what the initial was? 967 00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:54,130 So right now 968 00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:55,130 it's nine to 13. 969 00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:57,130 With the state's law it will be 11 and 15. 970 00:43:57,130 --> 00:43:58,130 So starting January 1st 971 00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:59,130 it will automatically be 11 and 15. 972 00:43:59,130 --> 00:44:03,570 But that's what got me thinking about dog 973 00:44:03,570 --> 00:44:13,389 fees and I went back in the minutes and saw that they had done a motion to increase dog 974 00:44:13,389 --> 00:44:14,389 fees. 975 00:44:14,389 --> 00:44:17,710 Not to just put in the budget and defray the budget costs, 976 00:44:17,710 --> 00:44:19,849 but to kind of start setting aside. 977 00:44:19,849 --> 00:44:20,829 Oh. 978 00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:30,510 So it would, so let's say you do that for $20, $25, it would be $25, and you're in trouble 979 00:44:30,510 --> 00:44:36,309 selecting that money now because the state got to it before we did, and that's why it's 980 00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:41,809 like, oh crap, you know, now we did it, so we might have to lower that down a bit to 981 00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:49,769 justify, but, you know, we're the ones, the state gets their money, that's it, they do 982 00:44:49,769 --> 00:44:55,820 nothing else, we're the ones that incur every expense, every expense. 983 00:44:55,980 --> 00:44:57,280 What if we don't have a dollar officer? 984 00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,300 Are you required by law? 985 00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:03,000 We are required to have one, and a, and a kennel. 986 00:45:03,340 --> 00:45:07,739 They may need a bunch of stuff, I mean, and they kind of, they strap you in a lot of different 987 00:45:07,739 --> 00:45:12,000 ways, and they don't, like they said, they just take the money and that's it, here's 988 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:12,719 your responsibility. 989 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,059 A lot of officers, health officers go to the board. 990 00:45:18,860 --> 00:45:19,860 We don't have a kennel. 991 00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:21,579 The state's always dying. 992 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,719 They'll take over more and more things, so they can gladly have this one, I mean, here 993 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:26,079 you go. 994 00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:33,440 And the kennel has to be, I think you said heated, and so many times a day you have to 995 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,760 go check the dog. 996 00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:40,820 We're very fortunate to have who we have doing that, and taking care of it, and very fortunate, 997 00:45:41,139 --> 00:45:44,019 because that's another position that could just go away. 998 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,360 You try to fill that. 999 00:45:45,699 --> 00:45:49,860 I mean, last year, I don't know what we spent on the budget last year, but it was quite 1000 00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:51,800 a bit, everything that went on there. 1001 00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:54,400 Was it last year we had a dog problem? 1002 00:45:54,619 --> 00:45:55,619 I think it was last year, yeah. 1003 00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:56,039 Oh, yeah. 1004 00:45:56,619 --> 00:45:56,780 Yeah. 1005 00:45:57,139 --> 00:45:57,780 We had a house. 1006 00:45:57,780 --> 00:45:58,300 It was a lot. 1007 00:45:58,420 --> 00:45:59,019 It was a lot. 1008 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:00,940 I forget what the amount was. 1009 00:46:00,940 --> 00:46:04,320 The kennel said they would take it, and they said, no, we can't. 1010 00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:05,139 I don't know what it was. 1011 00:46:05,699 --> 00:46:07,559 I remember reading about it. 1012 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,239 It was that. 1013 00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:17,599 So, if we do add on the $10 that we said we were going to, I would like to make a motion 1014 00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:22,820 like Mike said, as low as that, maybe to five, and then we have to start a separate dog 1015 00:46:22,820 --> 00:46:22,840 fund. 1016 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:22,880 Okay. 1017 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:22,920 Okay. 1018 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:22,960 Okay. 1019 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:22,980 Okay. 1020 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:29,400 We'll have to bring it up at town meeting to start this dog fund, that if we need it, 1021 00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:31,119 we can take it right out of the dog fund. 1022 00:46:31,139 --> 00:46:37,800 I mean, personally, the number is so low, it shouldn't be a problem, but when you said, 1023 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,320 oh, good luck, good luck, the ones that aren't paying the nine are going to be the ones that 1024 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,260 won't pay the 15, and then the ones that won't pay, you can make it $1, they won't pay. 1025 00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:48,179 You know, it's just. 1026 00:46:48,260 --> 00:46:50,039 It's one of those things, too, where there's a balance, right? 1027 00:46:50,260 --> 00:46:50,500 Yeah. 1028 00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:52,480 It's where do you cross the threshold where it was just. 1029 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:59,840 And it's not, it doesn't seem to be that people can't afford it. 1030 00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:05,619 It's just, they don't take, they, oh, my dog never goes out, so he's not going to get 1031 00:47:05,619 --> 00:47:06,039 rabies. 1032 00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:07,059 Well, that's not true. 1033 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:12,059 If you own a dog, you can't afford the $10, $20 for this. 1034 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,679 You shouldn't own a dog. 1035 00:47:14,059 --> 00:47:16,199 It costs a lot more to raise a dog than that. 1036 00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:16,579 Yeah. 1037 00:47:16,780 --> 00:47:21,039 Between spaying, and some people get their dog, have their teeth cleaned. 1038 00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:21,679 Oh, okay. 1039 00:47:21,860 --> 00:47:22,380 That's a lot of. 1040 00:47:22,380 --> 00:47:23,139 I had dogs. 1041 00:47:23,139 --> 00:47:23,920 A lot of money in that. 1042 00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:25,719 So bad. 1043 00:47:29,050 --> 00:47:29,530 So. 1044 00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:32,179 My kids aren't going to have to. 1045 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:32,480 Yeah. 1046 00:47:33,940 --> 00:47:39,920 So you follow through with this $10 for the town, reduce it, what do we do? 1047 00:47:40,019 --> 00:47:44,280 Well, I mean, what's the stake going up to, 15? 1048 00:47:45,099 --> 00:47:47,619 11 and 15, two bucks on your show. 1049 00:47:47,619 --> 00:47:48,940 I mean, no better than me. 1050 00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:51,579 I mean, I don't own a dog, so, you know. 1051 00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:52,619 But. 1052 00:47:54,010 --> 00:47:55,670 So, what would it be total? 1053 00:47:56,659 --> 00:47:58,739 11 and 15, with Joseph staying. 1054 00:47:58,739 --> 00:47:58,840 Okay. 1055 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,139 Without us raising it at all. 1056 00:48:00,579 --> 00:48:00,880 Okay. 1057 00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:07,380 So, I just don't believe that a $20 bill hurts anyone that owns a dog, and, you know, 1058 00:48:07,380 --> 00:48:08,460 that doesn't get it spayed. 1059 00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:11,019 I mean, $20 over a year's time, come on. 1060 00:48:11,179 --> 00:48:12,440 What do you mean by that? 1061 00:48:12,739 --> 00:48:16,739 So, I mean, if you went to five, it would be 20, 16. 1062 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:17,980 16 and 20. 1063 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,880 If you want to lower it for the, you know, we were going to raise it 10. 1064 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,119 Our state just raised it. 1065 00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:24,460 Mm-hmm. 1066 00:48:24,460 --> 00:48:26,000 I know, I felt bad, and I feel bad. 1067 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,360 How much did the state raise it from? 1068 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,059 Two bucks. 1069 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:29,920 Oh, $2? 1070 00:48:30,699 --> 00:48:35,340 Well, they used, on a $9 dog, we keep four, they get five. 1071 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:35,760 Right. 1072 00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,380 So, now we're going to keep four, and we're going to get seven. 1073 00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:40,139 Right on the house, John. 1074 00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:41,039 Yeah. 1075 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:43,159 Exactly. 1076 00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:46,139 You know, I mean, I know it's a little more amounts. 1077 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,300 It's not over the state. 1078 00:48:48,539 --> 00:48:49,099 It's the state. 1079 00:48:49,099 --> 00:48:49,900 It's the entire state. 1080 00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:51,659 Yeah, all over the state, yeah. 1081 00:48:52,219 --> 00:48:53,190 It's a lot of money. 1082 00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:53,389 Okay. 1083 00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:54,510 How many dogs in town? 1084 00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:56,320 Two hundred and seven. 1085 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:56,340 Two hundred and seven. 1086 00:48:56,340 --> 00:48:56,920 They're shysters. 1087 00:48:57,199 --> 00:48:57,400 Yeah. 1088 00:48:59,280 --> 00:48:59,519 Right. 1089 00:49:02,460 --> 00:49:03,360 It's a good thing. 1090 00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:05,059 We need to pay for our expenses. 1091 00:49:05,820 --> 00:49:08,960 Like I said, with the recycling, and I know we've had it. 1092 00:49:10,019 --> 00:49:11,420 We should be paying a loss. 1093 00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:12,000 Well, it's fine. 1094 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,260 Well, we shouldn't have to go up $5 on a dog license. 1095 00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:16,099 Yeah, exactly. 1096 00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:18,400 I agree. 1097 00:49:18,980 --> 00:49:19,500 I'll pay it. 1098 00:49:19,619 --> 00:49:19,940 All right. 1099 00:49:20,059 --> 00:49:20,280 All right. 1100 00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:24,860 We just shouldn't be paying losses all the time, you know? 1101 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,679 I mean, I know there's a service to. 1102 00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:27,960 Life's not getting any cheaper. 1103 00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:28,659 No. 1104 00:49:29,019 --> 00:49:30,500 That's a guarantee. 1105 00:49:30,940 --> 00:49:43,289 So, hypothetically speaking, $1,300 every year will just go into this fund and just stay there to either do a rabies clinic, or will it continue to build up for when you have a... 1106 00:49:43,289 --> 00:49:47,769 I want to say, is the $7,000 unreasonable for what we spent last year? 1107 00:49:48,050 --> 00:49:48,329 Yeah. 1108 00:49:48,570 --> 00:49:49,190 No, it's not. 1109 00:49:49,730 --> 00:49:50,389 No, I'm sure. 1110 00:49:50,449 --> 00:49:51,670 $7,000 for a new dog. 1111 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,619 But my point is it just goes into a fund, is what I'm saying. 1112 00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:55,840 Sure. 1113 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,760 You said you're going to go into the town meeting. 1114 00:49:58,119 --> 00:49:58,440 Yeah. 1115 00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,719 And make a fund for. 1116 00:49:59,820 --> 00:50:00,039 Right. 1117 00:50:00,139 --> 00:50:00,300 Right. 1118 00:50:00,699 --> 00:50:01,219 And spend. 1119 00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:03,219 And spend dogs. 1120 00:50:03,219 --> 00:50:03,920 Just dogs. 1121 00:50:04,179 --> 00:50:04,340 Yeah. 1122 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:05,280 Makes sense. 1123 00:50:06,389 --> 00:50:06,590 Yeah. 1124 00:50:06,829 --> 00:50:11,210 Whether to, how I can think, euthanize or board them. 1125 00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:12,090 Board them. 1126 00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:12,230 Yeah. 1127 00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:16,449 I mean, maybe if it got so crazy that we would need a bigger... 1128 00:50:16,449 --> 00:50:17,530 Sheriff hired a dog? 1129 00:50:18,030 --> 00:50:19,610 We've had to hire a sheriff to come down. 1130 00:50:19,730 --> 00:50:20,809 That should come out of that one. 1131 00:50:21,010 --> 00:50:29,380 So, the state law, if I'm not correct, I mean, if you don't license your dog, like, we're in our well-given right to go to the house. 1132 00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:31,380 There's a process, but yeah. 1133 00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:33,380 God forbid it happens. 1134 00:50:33,380 --> 00:50:33,880 Yup. 1135 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:34,380 Yup. 1136 00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:34,880 Yup. 1137 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,880 You send a ticket that goes to the court system. 1138 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,880 That's covered some way or if it comes to... 1139 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,380 Pete, even the ticket money doesn't come to us. 1140 00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:43,380 Goes to the state. 1141 00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:45,480 We send the ticket. 1142 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,480 Could you imagine somebody showing up to your house and going, give me your dog? 1143 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:49,480 Right. 1144 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:50,480 That's why they share it. 1145 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,480 Right. 1146 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,480 That's why they share it. 1147 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,480 Come and get it. 1148 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:54,480 So then you gotta hire a sheriff. 1149 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:55,480 Yeah. 1150 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:56,480 That's why they're like, we're nice. 1151 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,480 Like, come on guys, please register your dog. 1152 00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:58,980 Yeah. 1153 00:50:58,980 --> 00:50:59,980 They don't want it. 1154 00:50:59,980 --> 00:51:03,980 We had a year where we sent out warrants to use a nice dog. 1155 00:51:03,980 --> 00:51:08,980 I mean, you wouldn't think if there was someone in the town that was, you know, down and out. 1156 00:51:08,980 --> 00:51:09,980 Okay. 1157 00:51:09,980 --> 00:51:10,980 I can't afford it. 1158 00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:11,980 I'm down and out. 1159 00:51:11,980 --> 00:51:12,980 I haven't paid my taxes. 1160 00:51:12,980 --> 00:51:13,980 I haven't paid my dog. 1161 00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:15,980 You know, for 20 bucks? 1162 00:51:15,980 --> 00:51:16,980 I'm not... 1163 00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:19,980 I don't want everybody coming in that, but I can give you the 20 bucks in two seconds. 1164 00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:20,980 Say, here you go. 1165 00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:21,980 Or if you're down and out. 1166 00:51:21,980 --> 00:51:24,980 We've had, like, a sweat to do that before. 1167 00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:25,980 Yeah. 1168 00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:27,980 You know, in this town, you know, we wouldn't do that. 1169 00:51:27,980 --> 00:51:28,980 We wouldn't do that. 1170 00:51:28,980 --> 00:51:29,980 We just, you know... 1171 00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:31,980 I mean, at least if I'm out before, I would help people. 1172 00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:37,980 I think it's there more to, like, persuade you that, you know, to persuade the person to... 1173 00:51:37,980 --> 00:51:38,980 Yeah. 1174 00:51:38,980 --> 00:51:41,980 There's people that are the same offenders every year, you know, and the same thing... 1175 00:51:41,980 --> 00:51:42,980 Same thing with taxes. 1176 00:51:42,980 --> 00:51:43,980 Yeah. 1177 00:51:43,980 --> 00:51:44,980 Same thing with taxes. 1178 00:51:44,980 --> 00:51:45,980 Exactly the same offenders. 1179 00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:46,980 There's usually like a dog... 1180 00:51:46,980 --> 00:51:47,980 Don't worry. 1181 00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:48,980 Don't worry. 1182 00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:49,980 Don't worry. 1183 00:51:49,980 --> 00:51:50,980 Don't worry. 1184 00:51:50,980 --> 00:51:51,980 Don't worry. 1185 00:51:51,980 --> 00:51:52,980 Don't worry. 1186 00:51:52,980 --> 00:51:53,980 Don't worry. 1187 00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:54,980 Don't worry. 1188 00:51:54,980 --> 00:51:55,980 Don't worry. 1189 00:51:55,980 --> 00:51:56,980 Don't worry. 1190 00:51:56,980 --> 00:51:57,980 Don't worry. 1191 00:51:57,980 --> 00:51:58,980 Don't worry, not to worry. 1192 00:51:58,980 --> 00:51:59,980 Don't worry. 1193 00:51:59,980 --> 00:52:00,980 Don't worry. 1194 00:52:00,980 --> 00:52:01,980 Not to worry. 1195 00:52:01,980 --> 00:52:02,980 Don't worry, not to worry. 1196 00:52:02,980 --> 00:52:03,980 You know, it's awful. 1197 00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:05,199 Yeah. 1198 00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:06,199 Those are other kids. 1199 00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:07,199 How is the dog officer paid? 1200 00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:08,199 He has a budget. 1201 00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:09,199 He's paid by... 1202 00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:10,199 Hour? 1203 00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:11,199 Hourly. 1204 00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:12,199 Hourly. 1205 00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:13,199 And then, he... 1206 00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:14,199 You know, he only can go within the budget. 1207 00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:15,199 If he goes over the budget, you have to adjust. 1208 00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:16,199 But, he doesn't get paid from any of the... 1209 00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:17,199 I didn't know. 1210 00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:18,329 Yeah. 1211 00:52:18,329 --> 00:52:19,329 Just as a cost. 1212 00:52:19,329 --> 00:52:20,329 I don't think he goes over the budget too often. 1213 00:52:20,329 --> 00:52:21,329 No, he doesn't. 1214 00:52:21,329 --> 00:52:22,329 No. 1215 00:52:22,329 --> 00:52:23,329 Yeah. 1216 00:52:23,329 --> 00:52:24,329 That's one thing. 1217 00:52:24,329 --> 00:52:25,329 Yeah. 1218 00:52:25,329 --> 00:52:26,329 We just end up paying the dog, if he pays too much. 1219 00:52:26,329 --> 00:52:29,969 And of course, it depends on the year, too. 1220 00:52:29,969 --> 00:52:31,530 But the budget's very long. 1221 00:52:31,530 --> 00:52:32,530 Oh, yeah. 1222 00:52:32,530 --> 00:52:34,130 It's right in the calendar. 1223 00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:36,630 No, it's up there. 1224 00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:38,389 Yeah, it's right in the, I forget what it was. 1225 00:52:38,389 --> 00:52:40,429 It's not like $5,000. 1226 00:52:40,429 --> 00:52:42,329 That's from 20.2. 1227 00:52:42,329 --> 00:52:42,889 You know what I mean? 1228 00:52:42,889 --> 00:52:46,130 You're a dog officer on call all year long. 1229 00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:46,829 I mean. 1230 00:52:46,829 --> 00:52:48,590 It's a hot, yeah, it's a hot volunteer. 1231 00:52:48,590 --> 00:52:51,829 Just the three months of care, like last year, Frank. 1232 00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:54,530 He had to feed them, you know, do everything with the dogs. 1233 00:52:54,530 --> 00:52:58,030 Go out, feed them, water them, make sure they're okay, keep the heater going. 1234 00:52:58,030 --> 00:52:59,030 Yeah. 1235 00:52:59,030 --> 00:53:04,929 And do all the paperwork so he can get reimbursed from the town for, you know, all those expenses. 1236 00:53:04,929 --> 00:53:12,429 Last year, well, 2023, we budgeted $500 and it cost us $4,000. 1237 00:53:12,429 --> 00:53:13,329 Not for that. 1238 00:53:13,329 --> 00:53:15,130 No, no, for the dog expense. 1239 00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:15,630 Right. 1240 00:53:15,630 --> 00:53:16,929 And that was the dog problem we had. 1241 00:53:16,929 --> 00:53:20,739 That was a case, one case. 1242 00:53:20,739 --> 00:53:21,340 So. 1243 00:53:21,340 --> 00:53:24,639 If that doesn't happen, then the $400 is fine, you know. 1244 00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:25,039 So. 1245 00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:27,739 But this fund that we can keep going up with Eddie there for us. 1246 00:53:27,739 --> 00:53:28,440 Right. 1247 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:44,829 Now, the other last thing I have is we got a letter from the Vermont, or email I did. 1248 00:53:44,829 --> 00:53:55,130 Maybe Laura got it and sent it to us from Vermont State Ethics Commission that the January 1st, 1249 00:53:55,130 --> 00:54:02,119 by January 1st, we have to appoint an ethics liaison to serve as a point 1250 00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:09,579 of contact with, between the town and the ethics commission. 1251 00:54:09,579 --> 00:54:12,000 Volunteer, step right up. 1252 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,909 The, it could be one. 1253 00:54:14,909 --> 00:54:17,510 You're trying to get someone ethically off this board? 1254 00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:18,610 Yeah. 1255 00:54:18,610 --> 00:54:21,809 We could, could be one of the selectmen. 1256 00:54:21,809 --> 00:54:22,610 Can we appoint somebody? 1257 00:54:22,610 --> 00:54:25,110 I had thought of Doug, but of course he's not here so. 1258 00:54:25,110 --> 00:54:26,510 Well, let's elect him now while he's not here. 1259 00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:28,010 Yeah, I know. 1260 00:54:28,010 --> 00:54:29,409 Can we appoint somebody? 1261 00:54:29,409 --> 00:54:30,710 We can. 1262 00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:32,010 And then, all the select ones. 1263 00:54:32,010 --> 00:54:32,309 Okay. 1264 00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:32,409 Okay. 1265 00:54:32,409 --> 00:54:32,510 Okay. 1266 00:54:32,510 --> 00:54:32,610 Okay. 1267 00:54:32,610 --> 00:54:32,710 Okay. 1268 00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:34,190 Okay. 1269 00:54:34,190 --> 00:54:34,289 Okay. 1270 00:54:34,289 --> 00:54:34,389 Okay. 1271 00:54:34,389 --> 00:54:34,489 Okay. 1272 00:54:34,489 --> 00:54:34,590 Okay. 1273 00:54:34,590 --> 00:54:34,690 Okay. 1274 00:54:34,690 --> 00:54:34,789 Okay. 1275 00:54:34,789 --> 00:54:34,889 Okay. 1276 00:54:34,889 --> 00:54:34,989 Okay. 1277 00:54:34,989 --> 00:54:35,190 Okay. 1278 00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:35,289 Okay. 1279 00:54:35,289 --> 00:54:35,389 Okay. 1280 00:54:35,389 --> 00:54:35,590 Okay. 1281 00:54:35,590 --> 00:54:35,690 Okay. 1282 00:54:35,690 --> 00:54:35,789 Okay. 1283 00:54:35,789 --> 00:54:35,889 Okay. 1284 00:54:35,889 --> 00:54:35,989 Okay. 1285 00:54:35,989 --> 00:54:36,090 Okay. 1286 00:54:36,090 --> 00:54:36,190 Okay. 1287 00:54:36,190 --> 00:54:36,289 Okay. 1288 00:54:36,289 --> 00:54:36,389 Okay. 1289 00:54:36,389 --> 00:54:36,489 Okay. 1290 00:54:36,489 --> 00:54:36,590 Okay. 1291 00:54:36,590 --> 00:54:36,690 Okay. 1292 00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:36,789 Okay. 1293 00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:36,889 Okay. 1294 00:54:36,889 --> 00:54:36,989 Okay. 1295 00:54:36,989 --> 00:54:37,090 Okay. 1296 00:54:37,090 --> 00:54:37,190 Okay. 1297 00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:37,289 Okay. 1298 00:54:37,289 --> 00:54:37,389 Okay. 1299 00:54:37,389 --> 00:54:37,489 Okay. 1300 00:54:37,489 --> 00:54:37,590 Okay. 1301 00:54:37,590 --> 00:54:37,690 Okay. 1302 00:54:37,690 --> 00:54:37,789 Okay. 1303 00:54:37,789 --> 00:54:37,889 Okay. 1304 00:54:37,889 --> 00:54:37,989 Okay. 1305 00:54:37,989 --> 00:54:38,090 Okay. 1306 00:54:38,090 --> 00:54:38,190 Okay. 1307 00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:38,289 Okay. 1308 00:54:38,289 --> 00:54:38,389 Okay. 1309 00:54:38,389 --> 00:54:38,489 Okay. 1310 00:54:38,489 --> 00:54:38,590 Okay. 1311 00:54:38,590 --> 00:54:38,690 Okay. 1312 00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:38,789 Okay. 1313 00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:38,889 Okay. 1314 00:54:38,889 --> 00:54:38,989 Okay. 1315 00:54:38,989 --> 00:54:39,090 Okay. 1316 00:54:39,090 --> 00:54:39,190 Okay. 1317 00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:39,289 Okay. 1318 00:54:39,289 --> 00:54:39,389 Okay. 1319 00:54:39,389 --> 00:54:39,489 Okay. 1320 00:54:39,489 --> 00:54:39,590 Okay. 1321 00:54:39,590 --> 00:54:39,690 Okay. 1322 00:54:39,690 --> 00:54:39,789 Okay. 1323 00:54:39,789 --> 00:54:39,889 Okay. 1324 00:54:39,889 --> 00:54:39,989 Okay. 1325 00:54:39,989 --> 00:54:40,090 Okay. 1326 00:54:40,090 --> 00:54:40,190 Okay. 1327 00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:40,289 Okay. 1328 00:54:40,289 --> 00:54:40,389 Okay. 1329 00:54:40,389 --> 00:54:40,489 Okay. 1330 00:54:40,489 --> 00:54:40,590 Okay. 1331 00:54:40,590 --> 00:54:40,690 Okay. 1332 00:54:40,690 --> 00:54:40,789 Okay. 1333 00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:40,889 Okay. 1334 00:54:40,889 --> 00:54:40,989 Okay. 1335 00:54:40,989 --> 00:54:55,619 it's probably going to be an online training so do you want to see first if 1336 00:54:55,619 --> 00:55:00,239 there's any volunteers that want to be appointed to it and then Doug is here 1337 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:06,920 next time I would like to appoint him but I can't do it without him here so 1338 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,920 should we ask Sally Bull? 1339 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,559 You know it's still hot in season be careful! 1340 00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:29,309 Anything else for Select or for Giddy? 1341 00:55:29,309 --> 00:55:31,309 Just want to mention the Christmas tree here 1342 00:55:31,309 --> 00:55:33,309 Is it? Yup! It's cute 1343 00:55:33,309 --> 00:55:37,309 I don't know if it will ever open up because it's so cold 1344 00:55:37,309 --> 00:55:38,309 but it is so cute! 1345 00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:39,420 It's so cute! 1346 00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:43,900 It's up, and I guess nobody stepped forward to do any events, but at least the tree's up. 1347 00:55:44,019 --> 00:55:44,579 The tree's up. 1348 00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:45,039 The light's on. 1349 00:55:45,659 --> 00:55:46,179 It's cute. 1350 00:55:46,340 --> 00:55:47,019 It's so nice out. 1351 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,010 John donated it, so I'd like to thank John. 1352 00:55:53,210 --> 00:55:53,449 Yep. 1353 00:55:53,730 --> 00:55:54,090 All right. 1354 00:55:54,849 --> 00:55:55,949 It's a cute little tree. 1355 00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:00,900 Executive session, do we need to go in? 1356 00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:01,900 Nothing we haven't heard. 1357 00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:02,199 Okay. 1358 00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:06,400 And our next meeting is? 1359 00:56:07,889 --> 00:56:10,070 December 18th. 1360 00:56:10,070 --> 00:56:12,110 19th is the regular meeting. 1361 00:56:12,409 --> 00:56:12,710 Okay. 1362 00:56:14,219 --> 00:56:16,579 We may have to go early again. 1363 00:56:16,820 --> 00:56:20,500 If we have other employees we need to review, we can talk about that. 1364 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,760 I can talk to Lori about it anyway if we need to start early. 1365 00:56:24,860 --> 00:56:26,860 It probably won't be as early as 5, though. 1366 00:56:29,329 --> 00:56:33,449 In January, we're probably going to be meeting every week because of budgets. 1367 00:56:35,550 --> 00:56:39,929 The warrant has to be signed and posted by February 2nd. 1368 00:56:42,190 --> 00:56:44,429 Yeah, do you want to meet, like, December? 1369 00:56:44,610 --> 00:56:49,769 Do you want to do December 12th and start budgeting, or do you want to maybe? 1370 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,880 I know you'll not have the full year, but you'll have almost. 1371 00:56:56,929 --> 00:56:59,929 The summer stuff is easy, so we can do summer stuff in a week. 1372 00:57:00,150 --> 00:57:02,329 I don't care. 1373 00:57:02,329 --> 00:57:02,829 I don't care. 1374 00:57:02,829 --> 00:57:03,730 It doesn't have to be. 1375 00:57:03,730 --> 00:57:08,460 But if you want to do the 12th, or do you want to wait in the room? 1376 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:14,380 We could do the 12th and see who else we need to get into executive session to review. 1377 00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:15,420 Yeah, that's fine. 1378 00:57:15,420 --> 00:57:15,820 Okay. 1379 00:57:16,219 --> 00:57:18,760 So, I'll do the 12th, that first time, 6. 1380 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:19,260 5. 1381 00:57:20,610 --> 00:57:21,369 Probably 6. 1382 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:23,239 Regular. 1383 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:25,659 And what day is it? 1384 00:57:26,019 --> 00:57:26,579 The 12th. 1385 00:57:26,679 --> 00:57:27,380 It's Thursday. 1386 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,000 So, you're here anyway, so it doesn't matter. 1387 00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:40,210 12, 12, 6 o'clock, executive session, possibly, and then just a work session for budget, work session. 1388 00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:45,119 It won't be a regular select board meeting, it'll just be the work session. 1389 00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:56,849 We can review what we can, and I think that's it. 1390 00:57:58,349 --> 00:57:59,650 What day is the town meeting? 1391 00:58:00,090 --> 00:58:00,309 Next? 1392 00:58:00,309 --> 00:58:01,650 Monday, Monday, Monday, Monday. 1393 00:58:01,650 --> 00:58:02,710 It'll be a busy week. 1394 00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:03,210 7. 1395 00:58:03,210 --> 00:58:03,710 Yeah. 1396 00:58:06,460 --> 00:58:06,960 Good. 1397 00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:07,880 Good. 1398 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:08,519 I think we're good. 1399 00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:09,380 Anything else, Beth? 1400 00:58:09,380 --> 00:58:09,880 4. 1401 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:10,619 Me, right after. 1402 00:58:10,619 --> 00:58:11,179 2 is going. 1403 00:58:11,179 --> 00:58:11,739 I don't know that. 1404 00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:15,630 Motion to adjourn. 1405 00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:16,650 2nd. 1406 00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:17,530 All in favor? 1407 00:58:17,530 --> 00:58:18,130 Aye. 1408 00:58:18,130 --> 00:58:18,630 2nd. 1409 00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:19,199 3rd. 1410 00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:20,739 Oh, it's David. 1411 00:58:20,739 --> 00:58:21,239 Aye. 1412 00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:21,739 2nd. 1413 00:58:21,739 --> 00:58:22,239 3rd. 1414 00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:22,739 2nd. 1415 00:58:22,739 --> 00:58:23,239 3rd. 1416 00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:24,239 And then, 2nd. 1417 00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:24,739 5. 1418 00:58:24,739 --> 00:58:25,239 2nd. 1419 00:58:25,239 --> 00:58:25,739 3rd. 1420 00:58:25,739 --> 00:58:26,239 2nd. 1421 00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:26,739 4th. 1422 00:58:26,739 --> 00:58:27,239 5th. 1423 00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:27,739 6th. 1424 00:58:27,739 --> 00:58:28,239 6th. 1425 00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:28,739 5th. 1426 00:58:28,739 --> 00:58:29,239 6th. 1427 00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:29,739 7th. 1428 00:58:29,739 --> 00:58:30,239 6th. 1429 00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:30,739 7th. 1430 00:58:30,739 --> 00:58:31,239 8th. 1431 00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:31,739 9th. 1432 00:58:31,739 --> 00:58:33,019 I hear you. 1433 00:58:33,019 --> 00:58:33,519 I know. 1434 00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:34,019 Yeah.