1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,039 of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands 2 00:00:15,039 --> 00:00:20,239 one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all 3 00:00:29,460 --> 00:00:34,340 welcome to a meeting of the stanford select board because we have a matter to discuss that is not 4 00:00:34,340 --> 00:00:39,859 included on the agenda and do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address 5 00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:44,820 you'll notice that all our meetings are recorded and this is the stage of the summarization 6 00:00:44,820 --> 00:00:51,299 of amendments visitors are welcome and we allow five minutes of comments for visitors and 15 7 00:00:51,299 --> 00:00:57,939 minutes to talk discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others 8 00:00:57,939 --> 00:00:59,859 select board members present are 9 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:08,739 will there be any adding items or removing items from tonight's agenda 10 00:01:12,260 --> 00:01:12,739 where are you 11 00:01:12,739 --> 00:01:34,819 will there be any adjustments to the agenda such as changing the order of items 12 00:01:37,260 --> 00:01:43,060 keep it like this and jeb is recording tonight's meeting for his youtube video 13 00:01:43,060 --> 00:01:53,439 all right hearing of visitors i'd like to start there jim simpson bella grove 14 00:01:54,079 --> 00:02:01,680 stanford um i want to bring up the uh denial of the permit for the sign out front 15 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:08,080 okay i did some research um and i've notified some of you guys already and 16 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:16,659 we and the planning commission have done extensive research um i'm not saying that 17 00:02:16,659 --> 00:02:24,879 we're here as a planning commission we're here as wanting you guys to get informed of the actual law 18 00:02:26,289 --> 00:02:35,539 there is no law on our books or even on the state books that refer to a setback on science 19 00:02:36,259 --> 00:02:40,500 well that's not true well okay wait a minute oh god i'm just doing this talking wait a minute 20 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:46,020 what it says it refers to the state refers to as long as the sign is not in the right of way 21 00:02:46,659 --> 00:02:56,210 of the state okay footage is not mentioned as far as that goes in our bylaws it's not mentioned 22 00:02:57,090 --> 00:03:04,530 anyway could be an oversight by us when we were doing this we there was nowhere in the senate 23 00:03:04,530 --> 00:03:10,610 but keep in mind people who want to put up signs businesses and things like that have 24 00:03:10,610 --> 00:03:16,699 to go to the planning commission first anyways first for a plan in which at that time 25 00:03:17,659 --> 00:03:26,479 guidelines would be put on when i said months ago that the municipality is exempt 26 00:03:27,659 --> 00:03:39,340 in this situation i meant it it's true we were then we found out when we are i'm going to let 27 00:03:39,340 --> 00:03:49,840 you talk about that but what i am saying is that our bylaws were written and i think some people 28 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:55,789 here that were here during that period of time as far as the sign goes it was mentioned in when 29 00:03:55,789 --> 00:04:01,550 we were doing those the bylaws that the it was for signs with people that have a home business 30 00:04:01,629 --> 00:04:05,949 if they wanted to put a sign out we would you know make sure that they're the 12 square feet 31 00:04:06,509 --> 00:04:15,069 and there was no mention of setbacks right the setbacks is for construction for buildings 32 00:04:16,509 --> 00:04:23,790 it's in if we didn't write it in the bylaws then it has to fall into the state guidelines 33 00:04:23,790 --> 00:04:33,199 the state guidelines it says stay out of the right of way of the state highways municipalities are exempt 34 00:04:34,259 --> 00:04:42,670 if we don't have a bylaw an active bylaw for that which i'm saying we don't and as far as i'm 35 00:04:42,670 --> 00:04:52,879 concerned we don't have a bylaw that exempts or that does not exempt the town i don't think we do 36 00:04:52,879 --> 00:04:58,000 i think the current bylaw was written specifically for residential zones and 37 00:04:58,879 --> 00:05:05,060 back that up if you go into our bylaws you'll see that under every district it's mentioned 38 00:05:05,860 --> 00:05:16,000 signage residential rural and forest if it meant you know for for business would never 39 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:22,399 find something there for conditional use it's not so what i'm saying in my opinion 40 00:05:23,379 --> 00:05:27,699 take it for what it is look you've seen the laws you you understand the laws now 41 00:05:28,500 --> 00:05:37,199 the setback end of it is out of it there's no 50 feet on the sign period so you're saying that what 42 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:44,800 i'm getting you're saying is maybe that when you redo the bylaws you may have to put something in 43 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:53,939 there that says the sign setback and dimensions are for business residential municipalities and 44 00:05:53,939 --> 00:05:59,379 whatever else you want exempt yeah we would i think we would have to create some language 45 00:05:59,379 --> 00:06:04,019 but i've got some keys that we're going to have to go by but we have to create language to where 46 00:06:04,740 --> 00:06:07,060 first off we wouldn't set 47 00:06:08,899 --> 00:06:12,819 those standards we'd leave it up to the planning commission and site plan 48 00:06:12,819 --> 00:06:21,339 i think that's probably the language we do for business but um in my opinion this this because of 49 00:06:21,339 --> 00:06:28,430 the fact where our bylaws are read and i know what we are the lct had mentioned and i read it 50 00:06:29,069 --> 00:06:37,040 and i do believe that we would win that in court by all means but we don't have to because we're 51 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,290 only worried about the setback 52 00:06:40,370 --> 00:06:48,269 so because the sign is the sun the state signs it says 64 feet so i think we better fix our guy 53 00:06:48,269 --> 00:06:54,589 64 square feet so i think we should probably well as everybody knows there's no billboard 54 00:06:55,790 --> 00:07:01,870 that was the reason for all that but municipalities now keep in mind this law that 55 00:07:01,870 --> 00:07:08,480 i'm referring to that you guys are aware of now was written it's the same one that dave taylor 56 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,639 of i-5 when putting up the street 57 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:16,990 signs it falls under the same if you read it it falls under that same thing stop signs 58 00:07:17,629 --> 00:07:24,300 street signs all of that they fall under that same chapter and section so 59 00:07:26,819 --> 00:07:30,899 again that's their right of way so they can put the signs right down the road 60 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:37,839 but they do refer to municipalities and so on that they can't be in the right of way on the road 61 00:07:38,639 --> 00:07:42,220 in this particular case so i'm going to leave it to you so what 62 00:07:43,339 --> 00:07:47,980 i've been sent in i don't know late spring or whatever just kind of verified what i've been 63 00:07:47,980 --> 00:07:52,939 thinking for a long time for years that municipalities should be exempt for such 64 00:07:52,939 --> 00:08:00,139 things not according to the attorney sorry that's what that's my next phase so why a why did our 65 00:08:00,139 --> 00:08:07,100 attorney who we spent a decent amount of money on not know this that's the way i feel you get 66 00:08:07,819 --> 00:08:13,180 you get you give attorney's information they they you know supposedly they're supposed to do the big 67 00:08:13,339 --> 00:08:22,470 But according to our law, I would agree that one could say exactly what the attorney here at the LCT said. 68 00:08:22,470 --> 00:08:24,600 I can see where they would say that. 69 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,819 But I know what we were doing for two years sitting in that room. 70 00:08:28,819 --> 00:08:33,820 And the discussion was all about houses and home business and stuff like that. 71 00:08:33,820 --> 00:08:40,139 Because we knew that there would be a site plan and the planning commission would be setting the standards. 72 00:08:40,139 --> 00:08:43,139 Not us. Not in the residential district. 73 00:08:43,139 --> 00:08:47,139 We can't set a standard alone for that. 74 00:08:47,139 --> 00:08:50,269 The planning commission has to have a site plan. 75 00:08:50,269 --> 00:08:53,269 It's got to fit that purpose. 76 00:08:53,269 --> 00:09:01,269 So I'm in favor of all the exemptions and I disagreed with the attorney at the time. 77 00:09:01,269 --> 00:09:03,269 I will disagree today. 78 00:09:03,269 --> 00:09:07,269 But there's new light brought up today. 79 00:09:07,269 --> 00:09:11,269 The new light that was brought up today, and I didn't see it myself, 80 00:09:11,269 --> 00:09:13,269 is we don't... 81 00:09:13,269 --> 00:09:17,269 We don't have a written by-law on setback. 82 00:09:17,269 --> 00:09:21,269 So if we go back to the state right-of-way 25 foot, 83 00:09:21,269 --> 00:09:24,269 that's what we just mentioned, and I did see that right-of-way. 84 00:09:24,269 --> 00:09:27,370 Not setback, but right-of-way. 85 00:09:27,370 --> 00:09:32,370 Where the sign was, the second sign was, 86 00:09:32,370 --> 00:09:35,370 and now this new sign we want to be. 87 00:09:35,370 --> 00:09:38,370 I don't even see why we have voters on board now. 88 00:09:38,370 --> 00:09:40,370 We should not be denied. Seriously. 89 00:09:40,370 --> 00:09:42,370 So the denial, if I understand the denial, 90 00:09:42,370 --> 00:09:45,370 was for setbacks. Am I correct on that? 91 00:09:45,370 --> 00:09:47,370 On this particular one, yes. 92 00:09:47,370 --> 00:09:49,370 Okay, so that's nil and several. 93 00:09:49,370 --> 00:09:53,370 Would you agree that it's nil and what, based on the law that you have now? 94 00:09:53,370 --> 00:10:02,549 Well, I did call Jean because I felt that the decision that was made at the time 95 00:10:02,549 --> 00:10:08,549 was based on the 50 foot setback, and it was from the attorneys, from the BLCT. 96 00:10:08,549 --> 00:10:12,549 I'm going to be honest with you. I was three months into the job. 97 00:10:12,549 --> 00:10:17,549 I was still, I wanted to dot every I across every T. 98 00:10:17,549 --> 00:10:22,549 So my information was gleaned from the authorities, 99 00:10:22,549 --> 00:10:24,549 which I'm supposed to do. 100 00:10:24,549 --> 00:10:27,549 They're the ones that told me specifically, 101 00:10:27,549 --> 00:10:33,549 if there is not an ordinance in your bylaws that exempts municipalities, 102 00:10:33,549 --> 00:10:36,549 then you must follow your bylaws. 103 00:10:36,549 --> 00:10:40,549 So the bylaws, residential, 50 feet. 104 00:10:40,549 --> 00:10:42,549 Now, looking back on it, 105 00:10:42,549 --> 00:10:46,549 it does say 50 foot front yard, 106 00:10:46,549 --> 00:10:49,549 which designates if you really, 107 00:10:49,549 --> 00:10:50,549 you have to dig into it, 108 00:10:50,549 --> 00:10:52,549 and you have to really go down the rabbit hole, 109 00:10:52,549 --> 00:10:55,549 but 50 foot from a building. 110 00:10:55,549 --> 00:10:59,620 So a sign is a structure, technically, 111 00:10:59,620 --> 00:11:01,620 but it's not a building. 112 00:11:01,620 --> 00:11:03,620 So where does that sign find? 113 00:11:03,620 --> 00:11:04,620 Are you telling me that, 114 00:11:04,620 --> 00:11:07,620 you're telling me that the sign, 115 00:11:07,620 --> 00:11:08,620 it's my five minutes, I mean. 116 00:11:08,620 --> 00:11:10,620 Well, I don't want to argue back and forth. 117 00:11:10,620 --> 00:11:11,620 No, I'm just saying, 118 00:11:11,620 --> 00:11:13,620 this, that right there, 119 00:11:13,620 --> 00:11:16,620 the attorney would have made that decision, right? 120 00:11:16,620 --> 00:11:19,620 And so if the attorney read the regulations, 121 00:11:19,620 --> 00:11:22,620 the attorney would have known that it's 50 feet 122 00:11:22,620 --> 00:11:24,620 for a building map or sign. 123 00:11:24,620 --> 00:11:25,620 Okay. 124 00:11:25,620 --> 00:11:26,620 Bill Lee. 125 00:11:26,620 --> 00:11:30,809 Based on this understanding of the law, 126 00:11:30,809 --> 00:11:34,220 is it out of line to ask the ZBA 127 00:11:34,220 --> 00:11:39,220 to reconsider their decision on the original sign? 128 00:11:39,220 --> 00:11:41,320 Well, we have two violations. 129 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,799 There's size limit two. 130 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:46,799 Not related. 131 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:49,799 If municipal signs are exempted. 132 00:11:49,799 --> 00:11:50,799 Well, that's, 133 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:52,799 well, I thought you mentioned the, 134 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:56,799 the omission of the setback versus the- 135 00:11:56,799 --> 00:11:57,799 Nothing to do with the setback. 136 00:11:57,799 --> 00:12:02,799 Versus the bylaws of the size. 137 00:12:02,799 --> 00:12:04,799 And I don't know, 138 00:12:04,799 --> 00:12:07,799 would this exemption part of it though? 139 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:09,799 I believe that it's exempt. 140 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:11,799 Jim believes it's an exemption. 141 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:14,799 But the attorney apparently didn't. 142 00:12:14,799 --> 00:12:16,799 So there's a tit for tat here. 143 00:12:16,799 --> 00:12:17,799 I agree with you. 144 00:12:17,799 --> 00:12:19,799 I think we should be able to go back 145 00:12:19,799 --> 00:12:21,799 and say we'll put up this sign. 146 00:12:21,799 --> 00:12:24,799 If our planning board had an interpretation 147 00:12:24,799 --> 00:12:27,799 and researched what the law is, 148 00:12:27,799 --> 00:12:31,889 and we find that the ZBA was in error 149 00:12:31,889 --> 00:12:34,889 of trying to enforce the local bylaw 150 00:12:34,889 --> 00:12:36,889 that doesn't apply, 151 00:12:36,889 --> 00:12:40,110 then their decision should be reversed 152 00:12:40,110 --> 00:12:42,110 and the sign should be restored. 153 00:12:42,110 --> 00:12:44,110 I was just gonna say, 154 00:12:44,110 --> 00:12:45,110 I was just gonna say, 155 00:12:45,110 --> 00:12:47,299 I was just gonna say before Phil spoke 156 00:12:47,299 --> 00:12:50,299 that you guys all see the new dilemma coming, right? 157 00:12:50,299 --> 00:12:51,299 In the sign wars. 158 00:12:51,299 --> 00:12:52,299 Yeah. 159 00:12:52,299 --> 00:12:54,340 So they'll just touch base 160 00:12:54,340 --> 00:12:56,340 on what the new dilemma is in the sign wars, right? 161 00:12:56,340 --> 00:12:59,340 So he's absolutely right. 162 00:12:59,340 --> 00:13:00,340 I mean, 163 00:13:00,340 --> 00:13:03,340 we had a sign that was perfectly legal 164 00:13:03,340 --> 00:13:04,340 when we took it down. 165 00:13:04,340 --> 00:13:08,340 I think the ZBA and the AO 166 00:13:08,340 --> 00:13:12,340 went by what was written in our bylaws. 167 00:13:12,340 --> 00:13:14,340 Yeah, but based on what we know now. 168 00:13:14,340 --> 00:13:15,340 What we know now, 169 00:13:15,340 --> 00:13:16,340 so I don't think we can 170 00:13:16,340 --> 00:13:18,340 I personally think 171 00:13:18,340 --> 00:13:21,340 I personally think that the ZBA and the boards 172 00:13:21,340 --> 00:13:24,340 relied, and she just mentioned, 173 00:13:24,340 --> 00:13:29,559 she followed the authorities and the experts. 174 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,940 We weren't sure. 175 00:13:31,940 --> 00:13:33,940 We voted to go to an attorney. 176 00:13:33,940 --> 00:13:35,940 The attorney says this, 177 00:13:35,940 --> 00:13:36,940 and geez, I'll tell you, 178 00:13:36,940 --> 00:13:37,940 if an attorney told me that, 179 00:13:37,940 --> 00:13:39,940 I'd be a little nervous too, 180 00:13:39,940 --> 00:13:41,940 especially if I'm the ZBA saying, 181 00:13:41,940 --> 00:13:43,940 hey, this is what the attorney said. 182 00:13:43,940 --> 00:13:45,940 And then VCLP, 183 00:13:45,940 --> 00:13:48,940 they said the same thing. 184 00:13:48,940 --> 00:13:50,940 I disagreed with them then, 185 00:13:50,940 --> 00:13:51,940 I disagree with them now, 186 00:13:51,940 --> 00:13:53,940 but now I'm looking and saying, 187 00:13:53,940 --> 00:13:54,940 at the very least, 188 00:13:54,940 --> 00:13:57,940 which I still would like the new sign, 189 00:13:57,940 --> 00:13:59,940 and that's just a personal opinion now, 190 00:13:59,940 --> 00:14:03,940 for the reason is this war, 191 00:14:03,940 --> 00:14:04,940 you just said, 192 00:14:04,940 --> 00:14:06,940 would be over. 193 00:14:06,940 --> 00:14:08,940 The new sign is going to make more sense 194 00:14:08,940 --> 00:14:10,940 because you see it both directions. 195 00:14:10,940 --> 00:14:11,940 I love the other sign, 196 00:14:11,940 --> 00:14:12,940 it's a beautiful sign, 197 00:14:12,940 --> 00:14:15,940 but I didn't think it was exactly perfect. 198 00:14:15,940 --> 00:14:17,940 But nevertheless, 199 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:19,940 without that setback, 200 00:14:19,940 --> 00:14:20,940 I think we could go forward 201 00:14:20,940 --> 00:14:23,940 at least on this sign that we have now. 202 00:14:23,940 --> 00:14:25,940 The other one I'm not sure of yet. 203 00:14:25,940 --> 00:14:26,940 What I came to talk to you about 204 00:14:26,940 --> 00:14:29,940 to begin with regarding the sign 205 00:14:29,940 --> 00:14:31,940 was the possibility that 206 00:14:31,940 --> 00:14:35,940 unless somebody had really strong negative opinions, 207 00:14:35,940 --> 00:14:38,940 I would like to ask the school board 208 00:14:38,940 --> 00:14:39,940 if they would allow that sign 209 00:14:39,940 --> 00:14:43,940 to be placed on the wall behind the generator 210 00:14:43,940 --> 00:14:45,940 on the front of the school. 211 00:14:45,940 --> 00:14:47,940 It'll display it well, 212 00:14:47,940 --> 00:14:50,940 there's nothing but a big blank gray space. 213 00:14:50,940 --> 00:14:51,940 And I was also, 214 00:14:51,940 --> 00:14:52,940 when I read those laws, 215 00:14:52,940 --> 00:14:54,940 I interpreted this, 216 00:14:54,940 --> 00:14:55,940 and that's the problem, 217 00:14:55,940 --> 00:14:57,940 this interpretation is awful. 218 00:14:57,940 --> 00:14:58,940 We can go all the way to Supreme Court 219 00:14:58,940 --> 00:15:00,940 and I guess then it's over. 220 00:15:00,940 --> 00:15:03,940 But the interpretation of a sign on a building, 221 00:15:03,940 --> 00:15:04,940 there is nothing, 222 00:15:04,940 --> 00:15:05,940 there's nothing. 223 00:15:05,940 --> 00:15:06,940 So we can put that, 224 00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:07,940 that would be awesome, 225 00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:08,940 to put that there. 226 00:15:08,940 --> 00:15:09,940 Yeah, that's a good idea. 227 00:15:09,940 --> 00:15:11,940 We have several hundred dollars left 228 00:15:11,940 --> 00:15:13,940 in the grant funding, 229 00:15:13,940 --> 00:15:14,940 the community funding, 230 00:15:14,940 --> 00:15:17,940 to pay for us putting it there. 231 00:15:17,940 --> 00:15:18,940 Right. 232 00:15:18,940 --> 00:15:19,940 And I don't think, 233 00:15:19,940 --> 00:15:21,940 I think bringing the school in 234 00:15:21,940 --> 00:15:23,940 out of respect is one thing, 235 00:15:23,940 --> 00:15:25,940 but I don't think we have to ask permission. 236 00:15:25,940 --> 00:15:26,940 I don't think either, 237 00:15:26,940 --> 00:15:27,940 but I don't want to get involved 238 00:15:27,940 --> 00:15:29,940 in a joint control. 239 00:15:29,940 --> 00:15:30,940 Right, right, right. 240 00:15:30,940 --> 00:15:32,940 Lisa, I have a question. 241 00:15:32,940 --> 00:15:34,940 I just want to say that 50 feet 242 00:15:34,940 --> 00:15:35,940 comes from the letter 243 00:15:35,940 --> 00:15:37,940 that you sent to the lawyer. 244 00:15:37,940 --> 00:15:39,940 I think that she was using the letter. 245 00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:40,940 Right. 246 00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:41,940 So I think the lawyer's just going on 247 00:15:41,940 --> 00:15:44,940 trusting that you said that we had 4.4 248 00:15:44,940 --> 00:15:46,940 was a 50 foot second. 249 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:47,940 Understandable. 250 00:15:47,940 --> 00:15:48,940 And it was. 251 00:15:48,940 --> 00:15:49,940 But he should have went 252 00:15:49,940 --> 00:15:50,940 and asked for a by-law. 253 00:15:50,940 --> 00:15:51,940 But he never asked. 254 00:15:51,940 --> 00:15:52,940 You're right, you're right. 255 00:15:52,940 --> 00:15:53,940 But he is an attorney. 256 00:15:53,940 --> 00:15:54,940 He should have sent a by-law. 257 00:15:54,940 --> 00:15:56,940 One of the reasons I voted to go 258 00:15:56,940 --> 00:15:57,940 for a lawyer to begin with 259 00:15:57,940 --> 00:15:59,940 is because I've always been under the mindset 260 00:15:59,940 --> 00:16:01,940 that municipalities should be exempt 261 00:16:01,940 --> 00:16:02,940 from such things. 262 00:16:02,940 --> 00:16:04,940 And I thought it was an open and shut case form. 263 00:16:04,940 --> 00:16:05,940 I didn't think it was 264 00:16:05,940 --> 00:16:06,940 Yeah, you wanted an argument 265 00:16:06,940 --> 00:16:07,940 in the other direction. 266 00:16:07,940 --> 00:16:08,940 Right, exactly. 267 00:16:08,940 --> 00:16:10,940 I just wanted it to nail the case shut 268 00:16:10,940 --> 00:16:12,940 and be done with it the whole time. 269 00:16:12,940 --> 00:16:13,940 Well, whatever's happening, 270 00:16:13,940 --> 00:16:15,940 the zoning board of adjustment 271 00:16:15,940 --> 00:16:17,940 will meet on Tuesday, November 12th. 272 00:16:17,940 --> 00:16:18,940 It's already advertised. 273 00:16:18,940 --> 00:16:19,940 It's in the paper. 274 00:16:19,940 --> 00:16:21,940 You gotta go forward with it. 275 00:16:23,940 --> 00:16:26,940 I intend to ask the school board 276 00:16:26,940 --> 00:16:29,549 this coming Tuesday. 277 00:16:29,549 --> 00:16:31,549 Do you feel that this 278 00:16:31,549 --> 00:16:33,549 Lisa, I just want to say 279 00:16:33,549 --> 00:16:35,549 that we do have a 12 square foot 280 00:16:35,549 --> 00:16:37,549 by-law ceiling plates 281 00:16:37,549 --> 00:16:38,549 because under the sign law 282 00:16:38,549 --> 00:16:39,549 it says residential 283 00:16:39,549 --> 00:16:40,549 or any other building. 284 00:16:40,549 --> 00:16:41,549 So we are still constrained 285 00:16:41,549 --> 00:16:43,549 through the 12 square feet. 286 00:16:43,549 --> 00:16:44,549 That, I have no problem with that. 287 00:16:44,549 --> 00:16:45,549 But for the sign, 288 00:16:45,549 --> 00:16:47,549 if you put it on the building, 289 00:16:47,549 --> 00:16:49,549 that's how much I want Bill's top. 290 00:16:49,549 --> 00:16:50,549 I'm going back to 291 00:16:50,549 --> 00:16:51,549 The third sign. 292 00:16:51,549 --> 00:16:52,549 Right. 293 00:16:52,549 --> 00:16:53,549 Yeah. 294 00:16:53,549 --> 00:16:54,549 The new sign. 295 00:16:54,549 --> 00:16:55,549 So, yeah. 296 00:16:55,549 --> 00:16:56,549 John's sign. 297 00:16:56,549 --> 00:16:57,549 It's 12 square feet. 298 00:16:57,549 --> 00:16:59,549 So there's no square foot by-law ceiling. 299 00:16:59,549 --> 00:17:00,549 Which is 300 00:17:00,549 --> 00:17:01,549 So in all extent, 301 00:17:01,549 --> 00:17:02,549 Jim and I, 302 00:17:02,549 --> 00:17:03,549 we've talked for hours 303 00:17:03,549 --> 00:17:05,549 and we disagree with one another. 304 00:17:05,549 --> 00:17:07,549 But I don't see that that's 305 00:17:07,549 --> 00:17:09,549 what's so important. 306 00:17:09,549 --> 00:17:10,549 Yeah. 307 00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:11,549 I don't think that 308 00:17:11,549 --> 00:17:12,549 I don't think that 309 00:17:12,549 --> 00:17:13,549 it represents us as a town. 310 00:17:13,549 --> 00:17:15,549 I think we need to make 311 00:17:15,549 --> 00:17:16,549 the ordinance. 312 00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:17,549 Yes. 313 00:17:17,549 --> 00:17:18,549 We need to do right to by-law. 314 00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:19,549 And I think 315 00:17:19,549 --> 00:17:21,900 to both opinions, 316 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:22,900 I think we need to have 317 00:17:22,900 --> 00:17:23,900 another sign. 318 00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:24,900 Because I think 319 00:17:24,900 --> 00:17:26,900 the canon word we're talking about, 320 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:27,900 if you put up John, 321 00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:28,900 no offense to John, 322 00:17:28,900 --> 00:17:29,900 this person, 323 00:17:29,900 --> 00:17:30,900 he took down the sign. 324 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:32,900 John denied the new sign. 325 00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:33,900 John puts up the new sign. 326 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:34,900 You're going to have 327 00:17:34,900 --> 00:17:35,900 the same situation 328 00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:36,900 in town for a third time. 329 00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:37,900 So John, 330 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:38,900 I don't think John 331 00:17:38,900 --> 00:17:39,900 brought it. 332 00:17:39,900 --> 00:17:40,900 I don't think John 333 00:17:40,900 --> 00:17:41,900 designed the sign. 334 00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:42,900 I think they just came 335 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:43,900 with some samples 336 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:44,900 that the board voted on. 337 00:17:44,900 --> 00:17:45,900 Yeah, 338 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:46,900 you guys kind of changed it. 339 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:47,900 Which never happened 340 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:48,900 with the other sign. 341 00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:49,900 And I assist the sign, 342 00:17:49,900 --> 00:17:50,900 so I'll take it. 343 00:17:50,900 --> 00:17:51,900 No, 344 00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:52,900 never did that design 345 00:17:52,900 --> 00:17:53,900 come in front of us. 346 00:17:53,900 --> 00:17:54,900 Not that exact. 347 00:17:54,900 --> 00:17:55,900 Absolutely not. 348 00:17:55,900 --> 00:17:56,900 Not what they put out there. 349 00:17:56,900 --> 00:17:57,900 Absolutely not. 350 00:17:57,900 --> 00:17:58,900 But at least one similar to it. 351 00:17:58,900 --> 00:17:59,900 I mean, 352 00:17:59,900 --> 00:18:00,900 all this is great, 353 00:18:00,900 --> 00:18:01,900 but that is the canon. 354 00:18:01,900 --> 00:18:02,900 Yeah. 355 00:18:02,900 --> 00:18:03,900 So this is 356 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:04,900 The canon's over. 357 00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:05,900 The canon's over. 358 00:18:05,900 --> 00:18:06,900 So anyway, 359 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:07,900 Tuesday, November 12th. 360 00:18:07,900 --> 00:18:08,900 We're going to be 361 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:09,900 writing the guidelines. 362 00:18:09,900 --> 00:18:10,900 Through the chair. 363 00:18:10,900 --> 00:18:11,900 Deb, 364 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:12,900 would you agree now 365 00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:13,900 that the setbacks 366 00:18:13,900 --> 00:18:14,900 are not an issue now? 367 00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:15,900 Can we move on? 368 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:16,900 I'm sorry, 369 00:18:16,900 --> 00:18:17,900 through the chair 370 00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:18,900 to Deb. 371 00:18:18,900 --> 00:18:24,640 Yeah, 372 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:25,640 okay. 373 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:26,640 Will that, 374 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:27,640 now that you know 375 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:28,640 what you know now, 376 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:29,640 would you, 377 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:30,640 is it still denied 378 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:31,640 because of setbacks? 379 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:32,640 Because that's 380 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:33,640 the only reason. 381 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:34,640 That was my question. 382 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:35,640 You know, 383 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:36,640 I think that's 384 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:37,640 the only reason 385 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:38,640 that I would agree. 386 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:39,640 I think that's 387 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:40,640 the only reason 388 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:41,640 that I would agree 389 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:42,640 with. 390 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:43,640 I think that's 391 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:44,640 the only reason 392 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:45,640 that's why I called 393 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:46,640 Jane today 394 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:47,640 because of this 395 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:48,640 very reason. 396 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:49,640 Do we not go forward 397 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:50,640 with this EVA? 398 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:51,640 She has asked 399 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:52,640 if we still go through. 400 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:53,640 She says, 401 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:54,640 let it be. 402 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:55,640 Let us meet. 403 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:56,670 We will all 404 00:18:56,670 --> 00:18:57,670 determine 405 00:18:57,670 --> 00:18:58,670 as a group. 406 00:18:58,670 --> 00:18:59,670 Who's Jane? 407 00:18:59,670 --> 00:19:00,670 Jane Kirkland. 408 00:19:00,670 --> 00:19:01,670 Yeah, 409 00:19:01,670 --> 00:19:02,670 I say 410 00:19:02,670 --> 00:19:03,670 Chair. 411 00:19:03,670 --> 00:19:04,670 Chair. 412 00:19:04,670 --> 00:19:05,670 I say we wait 413 00:19:05,670 --> 00:19:06,670 this long. 414 00:19:06,670 --> 00:19:07,670 Let's go another month. 415 00:19:07,670 --> 00:19:08,670 I would not. 416 00:19:08,670 --> 00:19:09,670 Do it in the spring 417 00:19:09,670 --> 00:19:11,599 if we got it. 418 00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:12,599 Let's do it right 419 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:13,599 in the spring. 420 00:19:13,599 --> 00:19:14,599 I would say 421 00:19:14,599 --> 00:19:15,599 if we were 422 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:16,599 going more 423 00:19:16,599 --> 00:19:17,599 deeply into it 424 00:19:17,599 --> 00:19:18,599 now, 425 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:19,920 I would have 426 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:20,920 to say 427 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:21,920 if we weren't 428 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:22,920 all just under 429 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:23,920 this assumption 430 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:24,920 that it was 431 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:25,920 a 50 foot setback 432 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:26,920 for a sign, 433 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:27,920 which we all were, 434 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:28,920 it would be 435 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:29,920 open to interpretation 436 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:30,920 and I would have 437 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:31,920 the authority 438 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:32,920 to approve it. 439 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,849 So, 440 00:19:34,849 --> 00:19:35,849 yeah. 441 00:19:35,849 --> 00:19:36,849 But, 442 00:19:36,849 --> 00:19:38,170 I still, 443 00:19:38,170 --> 00:19:39,170 I wish 444 00:19:39,170 --> 00:19:40,549 we could 445 00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:41,549 come to 446 00:19:41,549 --> 00:19:42,549 a different 447 00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:43,869 agreement 448 00:19:43,869 --> 00:19:44,869 on certain 449 00:19:44,869 --> 00:19:45,869 things on how 450 00:19:45,869 --> 00:19:46,869 to identify 451 00:19:46,869 --> 00:19:47,869 the school. 452 00:19:47,869 --> 00:19:49,190 I mean, 453 00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:50,190 we're going to have 454 00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:51,190 to, 455 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:52,190 I'm not crazy 456 00:19:52,190 --> 00:19:53,190 with the 12 square foot sign. 457 00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:54,190 I'm going to be honest 458 00:19:54,190 --> 00:19:55,190 with you. 459 00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:56,190 I think it's 460 00:19:56,190 --> 00:19:57,190 impugnant. 461 00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:58,190 I think as 462 00:19:58,190 --> 00:19:59,190 a board, 463 00:19:59,190 --> 00:20:00,190 you have 464 00:20:00,190 --> 00:20:02,440 the authority 465 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,440 to, 466 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:04,500 in the beginning, 467 00:20:04,500 --> 00:20:05,500 you could have 468 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:06,500 done something 469 00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:07,500 about the original sign. 470 00:20:07,500 --> 00:20:08,500 I do too, 471 00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:09,500 but then we went 472 00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:10,500 through the process 473 00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:11,500 and we were denied, 474 00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:12,500 denied, 475 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:13,500 denied. 476 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:14,500 So, 477 00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:15,500 if we go through 478 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:16,500 the process again 479 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:17,500 and you ask me, 480 00:20:17,500 --> 00:20:18,500 would I have 481 00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:19,500 denied it 482 00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:20,500 if I was 483 00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:21,500 the AO 484 00:20:21,500 --> 00:20:22,500 that verbally 485 00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:23,500 approved it? 486 00:20:23,500 --> 00:20:24,920 And I said, 487 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:25,920 I would have 488 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:26,920 had to deny it 489 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,920 so it would have 490 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:28,920 gone through 491 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:29,920 the proper process. 492 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:30,920 But right now, 493 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:31,920 you would still deny 494 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:32,920 oversize. 495 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:33,920 Oversize? 496 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:34,920 That's what I'm saying. 497 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:35,920 So, 498 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:36,920 you just say 499 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:37,920 12 square foot's 500 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:38,920 too small 501 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:39,920 so we can't 502 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:40,920 go back. 503 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:41,920 You can as a board 504 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:42,920 and we could wait 505 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:43,920 until the spring, 506 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:44,920 we could wait 507 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:45,920 until the summer 508 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:46,920 and then you can 509 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:47,920 go back 510 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:48,920 to the board 511 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:49,920 and you're not 512 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:50,920 saying today. 513 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:51,920 No, 514 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:52,920 can't happen today. 515 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:53,920 I just understood 516 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:54,920 the point. 517 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:55,920 Sorry, 518 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:56,920 can't happen today. 519 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:57,920 I thought you 520 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:58,920 meant we could 521 00:20:58,920 --> 00:20:59,920 do it right now. 522 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:00,920 My thought is 523 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:01,920 we're going to do it 524 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:02,920 in the winter. 525 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:03,920 Get that signed 526 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:04,920 up on the bill 527 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:05,920 and we'll 528 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:06,920 do something 529 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:07,920 after this is done 530 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:08,920 and if they say 531 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:09,920 yes, 532 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:10,920 it could be 533 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:11,920 snored out. 534 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:12,920 We don't know. 535 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:13,920 I don't know 536 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:14,920 that I agree 537 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:15,920 with that. 538 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:16,920 We're probably 539 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:17,920 talking about it. 540 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:18,920 I just don't think 541 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:19,920 that would help. 542 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:20,920 Well, 543 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:21,920 it says any sign 544 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:22,920 other than residential. 545 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:23,920 I agree with that. 546 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:24,920 There should be 547 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:25,920 some upper limits 548 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:26,920 and maybe lower limits 549 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:27,920 of signing. 550 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:28,920 It doesn't say 551 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:29,920 that in the Bible 552 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:30,920 and all it says 553 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:31,920 is anything 554 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:32,920 that's not 555 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,920 residential 556 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:34,920 12 square feet. 557 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:35,920 And that's basically 558 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:36,920 where I was 559 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:37,920 when I said 560 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:38,920 the fact that 561 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:39,920 this is something 562 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:40,920 that we need 563 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:41,920 to take up 564 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:42,920 as a planning commission 565 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:43,920 and spell it out. 566 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:44,920 I've spoken 567 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:45,920 to the Department 568 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:46,920 of the LCT 569 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:47,920 and we can only 570 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:48,920 go by 571 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:49,920 with the state 572 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:50,920 if you think 573 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:51,920 it exempts us 574 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:52,920 if we didn't have 575 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:53,920 a by-law. 576 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:54,920 We do have 577 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,180 a by-law. 578 00:21:56,180 --> 00:21:57,180 Okay, 579 00:21:57,180 --> 00:21:58,180 any other 580 00:21:58,180 --> 00:21:59,180 visitors, 581 00:21:59,180 --> 00:22:00,180 questions? 582 00:22:00,180 --> 00:22:01,180 One more thing, 583 00:22:01,180 --> 00:22:02,180 I guess. 584 00:22:02,180 --> 00:22:03,180 I'm not going 585 00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:04,180 to talk about 586 00:22:04,180 --> 00:22:05,180 the sign 587 00:22:05,180 --> 00:22:06,180 ever again. 588 00:22:09,180 --> 00:22:10,180 I would like 589 00:22:10,180 --> 00:22:11,180 to recommend 590 00:22:11,180 --> 00:22:12,180 and this is 591 00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:13,180 I know 592 00:22:13,180 --> 00:22:14,180 this board 593 00:22:14,180 --> 00:22:15,180 has talked 594 00:22:15,180 --> 00:22:16,180 about this 595 00:22:16,180 --> 00:22:17,180 and I recommend 596 00:22:17,180 --> 00:22:18,180 that your next 597 00:22:18,180 --> 00:22:19,180 planning board 598 00:22:19,180 --> 00:22:20,180 you actually 599 00:22:20,180 --> 00:22:21,180 you all have 600 00:22:21,180 --> 00:22:22,180 the information 601 00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:23,180 that you feel 602 00:22:23,180 --> 00:22:24,180 you have. 603 00:22:24,180 --> 00:22:25,180 Bring it up, 604 00:22:25,180 --> 00:22:26,180 make a motion, 605 00:22:26,180 --> 00:22:27,180 stop kicking 606 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:28,180 it down the road 607 00:22:28,180 --> 00:22:29,180 and change 608 00:22:29,180 --> 00:22:30,180 that ordinance. 609 00:22:30,180 --> 00:22:31,180 That's 610 00:22:31,180 --> 00:22:32,180 the best 611 00:22:32,180 --> 00:22:33,180 that you guys 612 00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:34,180 and your board. 613 00:22:34,180 --> 00:22:35,180 No. 614 00:22:35,180 --> 00:22:36,180 No. 615 00:22:36,180 --> 00:22:37,180 No. 616 00:22:37,180 --> 00:22:38,180 No. 617 00:22:38,180 --> 00:22:39,180 No. 618 00:22:39,180 --> 00:22:40,180 They approve 619 00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:41,180 then we approve 620 00:22:41,180 --> 00:22:42,180 and then it has 621 00:22:42,180 --> 00:22:43,180 to be 622 00:22:43,180 --> 00:22:44,180 60 days. 623 00:22:44,180 --> 00:22:45,180 60 days. 624 00:22:45,180 --> 00:22:46,180 60 days. 625 00:22:46,180 --> 00:22:47,180 Public hearing. 626 00:22:47,180 --> 00:22:48,180 Yeah. 627 00:22:48,180 --> 00:22:49,180 Public hearing. 628 00:22:49,180 --> 00:22:50,180 Yeah. 629 00:22:50,180 --> 00:22:51,180 So anybody 630 00:22:51,180 --> 00:22:52,180 that wants 631 00:22:52,180 --> 00:22:53,180 to approve 632 00:22:53,180 --> 00:22:54,180 Yes. 633 00:22:54,180 --> 00:22:55,180 Okay. 634 00:22:55,180 --> 00:22:56,180 And then after 635 00:22:56,180 --> 00:22:57,180 Lori, 636 00:22:57,180 --> 00:22:58,180 after it's approved 637 00:22:58,180 --> 00:22:59,180 by select board 638 00:22:59,180 --> 00:23:00,180 then they have 639 00:23:00,180 --> 00:23:01,180 60 days 640 00:23:01,180 --> 00:23:02,180 in the waiting 641 00:23:02,180 --> 00:23:03,180 period 642 00:23:03,180 --> 00:23:04,180 to make sure 643 00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:05,180 it's not 644 00:23:05,180 --> 00:23:06,180 anybody 645 00:23:06,180 --> 00:23:07,180 who should 646 00:23:07,180 --> 00:23:08,180 contest. 647 00:23:08,180 --> 00:23:09,180 Okay. 648 00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:10,180 I think 649 00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:11,180 that it's 650 00:23:11,180 --> 00:23:12,180 been talked 651 00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:13,180 I think 652 00:23:13,180 --> 00:23:14,180 we got 653 00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:15,180 as much 654 00:23:15,180 --> 00:23:16,180 information 655 00:23:16,180 --> 00:23:17,460 as we can 656 00:23:17,460 --> 00:23:18,460 in the last 657 00:23:18,460 --> 00:23:19,460 couple of 658 00:23:19,460 --> 00:23:20,460 minutes. 659 00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:21,460 Okay. 660 00:23:21,460 --> 00:23:22,460 Reading and 661 00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:23,460 approval 662 00:23:23,460 --> 00:23:24,460 of records 663 00:23:24,460 --> 00:23:25,460 and orders. 664 00:23:25,460 --> 00:23:26,460 Regular minutes 665 00:23:26,460 --> 00:23:27,460 of October 3rd 666 00:23:27,460 --> 00:23:28,460 and the 667 00:23:28,460 --> 00:23:29,460 emergency 668 00:23:29,460 --> 00:23:30,460 meeting 669 00:23:30,460 --> 00:23:31,460 of October 670 00:23:31,460 --> 00:23:32,460 15th. 671 00:23:32,460 --> 00:23:33,460 I don't 672 00:23:33,460 --> 00:23:34,460 see that 673 00:23:34,460 --> 00:23:35,460 on here. 674 00:23:35,460 --> 00:23:36,460 Oh. 675 00:23:36,460 --> 00:23:37,460 I haven't 676 00:23:37,460 --> 00:23:38,460 Oh. 677 00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:40,099 Final one. 678 00:23:40,099 --> 00:23:41,099 You have 679 00:23:41,099 --> 00:23:42,099 the final 680 00:23:42,099 --> 00:23:43,099 one. 681 00:23:43,099 --> 00:23:44,099 Motion on 682 00:23:44,099 --> 00:23:45,099 October 3rd. 683 00:23:45,099 --> 00:23:46,099 Second. 684 00:23:46,099 --> 00:23:47,099 I'm sorry. 685 00:23:47,099 --> 00:23:48,259 I don't 686 00:23:48,259 --> 00:23:49,259 know 687 00:23:49,259 --> 00:23:50,259 what 688 00:23:50,259 --> 00:23:51,259 I'm 689 00:23:51,259 --> 00:23:52,259 going 690 00:23:52,259 --> 00:23:53,549 to 691 00:23:53,549 --> 00:23:58,359 do. 692 00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,359 I'm 693 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:00,359 sorry. 694 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:01,359 I'm 695 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,359 not 696 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:03,359 sure 697 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,359 what 698 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,359 I'm 699 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,359 going 700 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:07,359 to 701 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,359 do. 702 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:09,359 I'm 703 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,359 going 704 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,579 to 705 00:24:11,579 --> 00:24:12,579 go 706 00:24:12,579 --> 00:24:13,579 to 707 00:24:13,579 --> 00:24:14,579 the 708 00:24:14,579 --> 00:24:16,099 emergency 709 00:24:16,099 --> 00:24:17,099 meeting 710 00:24:17,099 --> 00:24:18,099 and 711 00:24:18,099 --> 00:24:19,099 I'm 712 00:24:19,099 --> 00:24:20,099 going 713 00:24:20,099 --> 00:24:21,099 to 714 00:24:21,099 --> 00:24:22,099 get 715 00:24:22,099 --> 00:24:23,099 things 716 00:24:23,099 --> 00:24:24,099 done 717 00:24:24,099 --> 00:24:25,180 as fast 718 00:24:25,180 --> 00:24:26,099 as 719 00:24:26,099 --> 00:24:27,099 I can. 720 00:24:27,099 --> 00:24:28,099 Okay. 721 00:24:28,099 --> 00:24:29,099 Thank you. 722 00:24:29,099 --> 00:24:30,099 And 723 00:24:30,099 --> 00:24:31,099 so 724 00:24:31,099 --> 00:24:32,099 I 725 00:24:32,099 --> 00:24:33,099 want 726 00:24:33,099 --> 00:24:34,099 to 727 00:24:34,099 --> 00:24:35,099 thank 728 00:24:35,099 --> 00:24:36,130 you 729 00:24:36,130 --> 00:24:37,130 all 730 00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:38,609 for 731 00:24:38,609 --> 00:24:39,609 being 732 00:24:39,609 --> 00:24:40,609 here with 733 00:24:40,609 --> 00:24:41,609 me. 734 00:24:41,609 --> 00:24:42,609 Thank 735 00:24:42,609 --> 00:24:43,609 you all 736 00:24:43,609 --> 00:24:44,609 for 737 00:24:44,609 --> 00:24:45,900 being 738 00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:46,900 with 739 00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:47,900 me 740 00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:48,900 today. 741 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:49,900 I 742 00:24:49,900 --> 00:25:00,299 you can ask dave and yeah yeah i'm sure you guys have all seen it yeah i just think it would present 743 00:25:00,299 --> 00:25:05,740 help 10 buildings are they get scratched and rusted yeah yeah so it would be 744 00:25:06,380 --> 00:25:12,140 how they would be able to prolong their life right yeah a little bit of prevention 745 00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:20,630 and i think i haven't heard if the doors were in yes but uh dave is working on getting 746 00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:26,309 some new panels on the garage door because the bottom panels are rusted out so he's working on 747 00:25:26,309 --> 00:25:36,150 that okay recycling discussion review and revised highway ordinance um i don't think 748 00:25:36,150 --> 00:25:42,390 lori had time to do that it was crazy but then again what jim said when we were talking about 749 00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:49,609 bylaws dave lori and i were reviewing them the other day and we were looking at the highway 750 00:25:49,609 --> 00:25:53,529 ordinances why is this in here what were they thinking of at that time 751 00:25:53,609 --> 00:26:00,650 why did they put this language in here so you see what happens with the sign nobody thought about 752 00:26:00,650 --> 00:26:08,809 a municipal sign step back yeah well we were doing highway ordinance and we said why is this part and 753 00:26:08,809 --> 00:26:13,849 there was something about the highway i think they're written in the 80s uh yeah and they were 754 00:26:13,849 --> 00:26:21,049 got reviewed in the 12th and right now this is review check yeah the science they would never 755 00:26:21,049 --> 00:26:23,369 came up before they changed yourself that's right 756 00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:32,170 that committee was trying to do something nice you know and then like i said it was a nice sign 757 00:26:32,170 --> 00:26:37,049 they were trying to do something nice and it backfired it would never came up you know that's 758 00:26:37,049 --> 00:26:43,529 my opinion i mean just that's why when you're you know like you said we looked at it a hundred times 759 00:26:43,529 --> 00:26:50,329 we didn't see that it didn't happen you know hey you know it is rigorous and that's why it's 760 00:26:50,329 --> 00:26:53,930 recommended but that's why you look at it to review our borders 761 00:26:53,930 --> 00:27:00,119 every so many years to bring them up to date that what happened five years ago is not current 762 00:27:00,710 --> 00:27:06,619 actually in that same uh law that you're just referred to with the transportation 763 00:27:06,619 --> 00:27:12,460 trans department of transportation there's uh language in in there for all municipal buildings 764 00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:22,410 to be marked by signs in a town right you have to pass yep i saw that highway highway department 765 00:27:22,410 --> 00:27:25,049 product it's all under that same family 766 00:27:25,210 --> 00:27:30,170 word informational or directional all that stuff all the other signs would probably be 767 00:27:30,170 --> 00:27:38,680 fine there was something real special about this it was yeah yeah yeah okay um that's all we have 768 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:44,839 under discussion we can bring it up next meeting laurie will have the highway or revisions to the 769 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:49,000 highway ordinance that were just minor things and they would want to get something about the 770 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:56,339 definition of the trail and that was why we were starting this and there was a couple other 771 00:27:58,809 --> 00:28:03,049 road name changes like it says old county road and now it's brown work road 772 00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:15,190 correspondence um errors and emissions certificate lauren so um they didn't realize 773 00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:22,150 when they finalized the grant list the stanford volunteer fire department's value was increased 774 00:28:23,019 --> 00:28:30,380 but the exemption wasn't increased so it wound up with a almost 300 000 taxable value 775 00:28:31,099 --> 00:28:35,019 um so that error was hot we could use that money to pay for the fire truck 776 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:42,059 um so there's an error errors and emissions certificate that needs to be signed 777 00:28:42,059 --> 00:28:46,650 just to um this is for the lister grand list for our grand list 778 00:28:48,650 --> 00:28:54,710 so i'll do on the right hand side because the exemption was made to match the value 779 00:28:54,710 --> 00:29:09,589 and when they got the value they didn't appreciate that change thank you dad 780 00:29:13,589 --> 00:29:25,720 job just for review with sign on the top or initial on the top do you have any reason to 781 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:33,190 want to keep a file with those copies or is this just for review and i mean the originals are in 782 00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:41,430 the drawer um copies are in the files do you want to have a separate select word file copy or once 783 00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:47,049 you see them you're going to go i think i'm good you have the copies here they're recorded 784 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,640 if anyone wants to go back and look at them they're all recorded in the land 785 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:57,079 records so planning commission also now has a file yeah yeah i know they've been wanting yep 786 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:04,440 we're just you have a little it's on i'll show you afterwards but you have a um 787 00:30:06,019 --> 00:30:06,500 basket 788 00:30:19,369 --> 00:30:21,529 ideally i'd love to see them on our website 789 00:30:22,569 --> 00:30:24,009 town's doing that but 790 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,319 do you want that on the website too or are you just content to 791 00:30:38,579 --> 00:30:42,099 i have no problem with somebody wants to put them on the website 792 00:30:42,099 --> 00:30:48,420 that's more work for somebody but don't skin off my right now right now i think i'd be i mean it's 793 00:30:48,420 --> 00:30:57,130 not a bad idea but i don't know i don't care it's just making copies for people to throw away you know 794 00:30:57,369 --> 00:31:02,569 you can see them on our website that's all save your trees not necessarily 795 00:31:18,059 --> 00:31:18,700 old business 796 00:31:26,069 --> 00:31:35,269 the fire truck commercial loan um i've completed the application there are numerous places where 797 00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:42,309 you as a board need to sign or just nancy needs to sign um there is one spot where 798 00:31:43,579 --> 00:31:47,099 the signatory has to provide a bit more information than everyone else 799 00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:54,859 one of the things that the bank wants is a formal motion from the board designating one of you to be 800 00:31:54,859 --> 00:32:00,859 the signatory for the loan and then the closing documents so for the application and all the loan 801 00:32:00,859 --> 00:32:05,819 documents that would be motion to make nancy dashika designated signer 802 00:32:07,019 --> 00:32:09,019 so i'm writing on your truck now 803 00:32:16,859 --> 00:32:21,900 all in favor 804 00:32:26,779 --> 00:32:28,619 right you signed over 805 00:32:28,619 --> 00:32:29,740 a couple million so far 806 00:32:31,339 --> 00:32:35,339 okay so one two three four someone gets to be on the bottom 807 00:32:35,980 --> 00:32:36,299 on the 808 00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:51,829 on the back you can see you in this one i got a lot of weird information that if you just want 809 00:32:51,829 --> 00:32:57,990 to wait till tomorrow to sign and yeah or if you want to do it yeah i don't have my license number 810 00:33:13,849 --> 00:33:21,450 when does the truck come well broadly as an aside i was going to say this is the documentation 811 00:33:21,450 --> 00:33:30,680 the expectation is the truck will be at the viewer's site by thanksgiving and that we 812 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:37,349 should have possession the first week of december all lettered up and everything or not yet yeah 813 00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:46,069 whatever it's within the lettering is in the specs for the trust that's not understood hopefully they 814 00:33:46,069 --> 00:33:52,869 spell stanford correctly how did that happen we didn't they never failed before so right 815 00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:58,710 you hate to give them back the door and ask them to realize why this is the um 816 00:34:04,069 --> 00:34:07,910 something interesting we found while we were dealing with insurance 817 00:34:09,179 --> 00:34:15,579 because all the truck renewal and the building renewal insurance has come up for the beginning 818 00:34:15,579 --> 00:34:24,139 of the year and they have a reference to the trucks being insured for modified actual cash 819 00:34:24,139 --> 00:34:24,380 that 820 00:34:25,099 --> 00:34:34,519 cash value it's not the and there's no definition he used to be full right so i called the ltd 821 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:43,030 to find out what this modified means in the event that we lose a vehicle entirely or david does 822 00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:56,090 they will replace it with like vehicles best they can age condition etc in the event that there is 823 00:34:56,090 --> 00:35:03,769 nothing available to replace it with they will replace it with a new one just so we know terms 824 00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:12,570 but they listed four or five different terms that then showed up on the schedule but the one that 825 00:35:12,570 --> 00:35:29,849 they cited for our truck was not one of the terms that they defined so in in keeping with that theme 826 00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:40,920 i wanted to review your totals for the insurance policy reading for 20. they have the compactor for 827 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:52,329 8308 we have the town garage property value at 562 432 with a content value of 70 400. 828 00:35:53,400 --> 00:36:00,280 our dog kennel forty nine hundred dollars our salt shed one hundred and twenty seven thousand three 829 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:12,389 hundred and uh just the contents of the town office thirty five thousand um what were they 830 00:36:12,389 --> 00:36:21,530 last year are they the same increased they are all up by it's all it's all changed it's all online 831 00:36:21,530 --> 00:36:28,780 and you can't see papers like you used to before and i didn't pull them they had an automatic 832 00:36:28,780 --> 00:36:35,659 inflation percentage that they have applied because we found suddenly the firehouse was 833 00:36:35,659 --> 00:36:43,849 covered for 725 000 which wasn't what we set it for but it's what they had 834 00:36:43,929 --> 00:36:51,800 incremented over the last few years two percent there two percent three percent there and of 835 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:59,510 course if you go out look at building supplies for the cost of a house and the lct has set these 836 00:36:59,510 --> 00:37:06,980 prices right so they're okay they're taking into account inflation yeah they know what we have here 837 00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:19,929 and our equipment oh well our trucks are different cool do we need a motion so the trucks are 838 00:37:19,929 --> 00:37:21,210 different right that's that's how 839 00:37:21,289 --> 00:37:41,780 that's good yeah yeah hold down the listing of all the vehicles um 840 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:12,710 our passive grant uh dave and i put in for an eyewash station at the 841 00:38:13,269 --> 00:38:17,670 at the garage it was one of the recommendations when the passive guy came through 842 00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:23,590 that we have one they kicked it back and said it's not enough you need to put in at least 843 00:38:23,590 --> 00:38:29,590 four hundred dollars worth of stuff um so then we went and submitted another one for 844 00:38:29,590 --> 00:38:37,420 next at sign and some other things he had on his list and again um the eyewash station didn't come 845 00:38:37,420 --> 00:38:43,579 with the eyewash that you need for it so now we'd like to submit for a third run 846 00:38:45,739 --> 00:38:49,500 and maybe this time they'll accept it and be happy with it 847 00:38:50,409 --> 00:38:56,489 so nancy if you want to sign right there it's now 621 dollars so it's 50 50. 848 00:38:56,489 --> 00:38:58,010 not that much 849 00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:58,650 not that much 850 00:38:58,650 --> 00:38:59,849 two hundred three 851 00:39:00,010 --> 00:39:04,329 okay 852 00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:11,670 eyewash lighting room oh yeah we do need the stuff for that 853 00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:14,789 the stuff to put in it so it won't fly without the stuff 854 00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:24,710 and that's working on dave's list too on the recommendations that the lct said we should be 855 00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:28,949 right right that's great i look forward to compliance with insurance 856 00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:33,539 all right okay 857 00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:35,139 old business 858 00:39:36,219 --> 00:39:38,139 ность 859 00:39:53,179 --> 00:39:55,780 we're 860 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:01,159 going out for the town at nine o'clock this afternoon yeah one of the dogs one of the four dogs died yep 861 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,239 and we have two owners with three dogs one came in late this afternoon good so now we just had two dogs and a vet appointment yes and luke did confirm with the vest but he doesn't have an appointment so yeah almost the end of the ear 862 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:19,940 Lori, anyone take advantage of the DV Fiber grant for low-income? 863 00:40:19,940 --> 00:40:23,940 I have had a resident ask for an application. 864 00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:25,940 Okay, good. 865 00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:27,940 Has it come back yet? 866 00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:33,139 Didn't we put on there that it has to be back to us by a certain date? 867 00:40:33,139 --> 00:40:37,809 That's what I was thinking, too. 868 00:40:37,809 --> 00:40:47,000 When it comes back, Lori, let me know, because DV Fiber has two fellows who have gone out to evaluate those kind of requests. 869 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:52,510 Okay. I think it's got to come before Select Board Executive Session. 870 00:40:52,510 --> 00:40:56,960 Didn't you say we were going to review it as they came in? 871 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,309 Yep. 872 00:40:58,309 --> 00:41:00,309 And that's just for the installation? 873 00:41:00,309 --> 00:41:01,889 Yes. 874 00:41:01,889 --> 00:41:02,889 Yes. 875 00:41:02,889 --> 00:41:03,889 Well. 876 00:41:03,889 --> 00:41:05,889 I think it could go for something. 877 00:41:05,889 --> 00:41:06,889 I'm not sure. 878 00:41:06,889 --> 00:41:08,050 Okay. 879 00:41:08,050 --> 00:41:09,050 To get, yes. 880 00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:11,050 What we were thinking of beyond installation. 881 00:41:11,050 --> 00:41:14,050 Oh, assistance with monthly. 882 00:41:14,050 --> 00:41:15,050 No. 883 00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:16,050 Okay. 884 00:41:16,050 --> 00:41:17,050 No. 885 00:41:17,050 --> 00:41:22,050 No, it's installation including if, and we considered that if beyond conduit that was running. 886 00:41:22,050 --> 00:41:23,050 Right. 887 00:41:23,050 --> 00:41:33,340 If there was an additional $175 flat charge that they make for locating it further away in the house from the entrance point. 888 00:41:33,340 --> 00:41:38,789 Any other old business that you can think of? 889 00:41:38,789 --> 00:41:39,789 I love it. 890 00:41:39,789 --> 00:41:40,789 I love it. 891 00:41:40,789 --> 00:41:41,789 I want to talk about this sign. 892 00:41:41,789 --> 00:41:42,789 No more. 893 00:41:42,789 --> 00:41:43,789 You said no more. 894 00:41:43,789 --> 00:41:44,789 Yeah. 895 00:41:44,789 --> 00:41:45,789 I don't. 896 00:41:45,789 --> 00:41:46,789 I don't know why I'm doing it. 897 00:41:46,789 --> 00:41:47,789 I don't. 898 00:41:47,789 --> 00:41:48,789 Now, you know we're going to talk. 899 00:41:48,789 --> 00:41:49,789 Talk on your break, though. 900 00:41:49,789 --> 00:41:50,789 All right. 901 00:41:50,789 --> 00:41:51,789 Talk. 902 00:41:51,789 --> 00:41:52,789 No. 903 00:41:52,789 --> 00:41:53,789 No. 904 00:41:53,789 --> 00:41:54,789 No. 905 00:41:54,789 --> 00:41:55,789 No. 906 00:41:55,789 --> 00:41:56,789 All right. 907 00:41:56,789 --> 00:41:57,789 New business. 908 00:41:57,789 --> 00:42:00,789 You want us to sign for this break? 909 00:42:00,789 --> 00:42:01,789 New business. 910 00:42:01,789 --> 00:42:02,789 I want to talk. 911 00:42:02,789 --> 00:42:03,789 Can't make a parchment spot for the flat board. 912 00:42:03,789 --> 00:42:04,789 Hey, why don't we just talk about this sign. 913 00:42:04,789 --> 00:42:05,789 Okay. 914 00:42:05,789 --> 00:42:06,789 Okay. 915 00:42:06,789 --> 00:42:07,789 I was thinking about this sign. 916 00:42:07,789 --> 00:42:08,789 It's about $175. 917 00:42:08,789 --> 00:42:12,789 Hey, when we come here during the day, we don't make y'all that because we're parked out there. 918 00:42:12,789 --> 00:42:15,789 You know what you should put out there? 919 00:42:15,789 --> 00:42:18,820 It's just something that says, here's your sign. 920 00:42:18,820 --> 00:42:20,820 Here's your sign! 921 00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:28,820 The flowers are where the sign used to be. 922 00:42:28,820 --> 00:42:32,820 They're kind of, you know, at some point somebody's going to have to cut them and get them ready for the winter. 923 00:42:32,820 --> 00:42:36,820 I don't know if the lawn guy, is that something he can do? 924 00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:38,820 If he's done for a year? 925 00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:42,820 And then the bushes in front of the school here, they seem to be kind of high. 926 00:42:42,820 --> 00:42:46,820 Especially over, like, where I remember, like, what, the first grade classroom was? 927 00:42:46,820 --> 00:42:48,820 You can't even see the windows anymore. 928 00:42:48,820 --> 00:42:50,860 The bushes are above the windows. 929 00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:52,860 Is that something we can have evaluated? 930 00:42:52,860 --> 00:42:56,860 I would like to know, can our janitor do these type of things? 931 00:42:56,860 --> 00:43:01,269 We'll use the janitor or a maintenance manager. 932 00:43:01,269 --> 00:43:03,269 I guess at one time... 933 00:43:03,269 --> 00:43:09,269 I haven't lived here that long, but I remember janitors doing more than just cleaning the floors. 934 00:43:09,269 --> 00:43:16,269 That's a different person who did twice the amount of work that he was contracted for on a volunteer basis. 935 00:43:16,269 --> 00:43:21,269 I'm not from up here, I was from Clarksburg, and I remember the same thing in Clarksburg. 936 00:43:21,269 --> 00:43:26,269 Phil Foster was a janitor, and he mowed the lawn, and he cut the bushes and all that, you know. 937 00:43:26,269 --> 00:43:31,269 But I guess that you could throw it back and say to the school, hey, can you do this? 938 00:43:31,269 --> 00:43:33,559 Well, I think the flowers... 939 00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:35,559 I think the flowers made it through last winter. 940 00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:37,559 I don't know if anything's got to be done. 941 00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,559 They just fall on the ground, and they're just going to be there. 942 00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:43,559 If there are any Alzheimer's there, they probably should be trimmed back. 943 00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:45,559 Yeah, just cut them back a little bit. 944 00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:48,099 Anybody know how to do that? 945 00:43:48,099 --> 00:43:50,099 Read like her. 946 00:43:50,099 --> 00:43:52,099 Just take a bunch of... 947 00:43:52,099 --> 00:43:54,099 I'm just playing. 948 00:43:54,099 --> 00:43:56,099 Why can't the janitor do some of this? 949 00:43:56,099 --> 00:43:58,099 Why can't the janitor do some of this stuff? 950 00:43:58,099 --> 00:44:00,099 I mean, I'm ready to do it. 951 00:44:00,099 --> 00:44:02,099 But then again, I'm going to be in danger all over again 952 00:44:02,099 --> 00:44:05,099 because we're, like, talking about the janitor job description again. 953 00:44:05,099 --> 00:44:07,099 Yeah. 954 00:44:07,099 --> 00:44:09,099 You know, like, I don't know what it is. 955 00:44:09,099 --> 00:44:15,099 But some of these things should be just done, whether they're in the description or not. 956 00:44:15,099 --> 00:44:20,099 I hate to bring this up, but just like you said, there was men that worked here, 957 00:44:20,099 --> 00:44:24,099 people that worked here, that went above and beyond to call a duty, right? 958 00:44:24,099 --> 00:44:28,099 So I guess you would call that volunteering, right? 959 00:44:28,099 --> 00:44:29,099 So I'm a slot man. 960 00:44:29,099 --> 00:44:31,099 Can I come down and cut that tomorrow? 961 00:44:31,099 --> 00:44:33,099 Or do we have to worry about insurance? 962 00:44:33,099 --> 00:44:34,099 Yeah, right. 963 00:44:34,099 --> 00:44:38,099 So am I covered as a select board member under the insurance? 964 00:44:38,099 --> 00:44:44,099 I mean, if I do something right now, I get up and I trip and knock you over. 965 00:44:44,099 --> 00:44:46,099 I mean, is it... 966 00:44:46,099 --> 00:44:48,099 Our town covers that stuff. 967 00:44:48,099 --> 00:44:51,099 Why can't I come down tomorrow and go, 968 00:44:51,099 --> 00:44:52,099 It's done. 969 00:44:52,099 --> 00:45:00,099 You know, this drives me nuts of this worrying so much about, you know, being sued. 970 00:45:00,099 --> 00:45:01,099 Right. 971 00:45:01,099 --> 00:45:02,099 My ability. 972 00:45:02,099 --> 00:45:06,260 And I know it's a real thing in the world, but it shouldn't be. 973 00:45:06,260 --> 00:45:09,260 We should be able to volunteer our time. 974 00:45:09,260 --> 00:45:11,260 Martin has said, hey, painting party. 975 00:45:11,260 --> 00:45:14,260 Oh, heaven forbid, we'll get up on a ladder and go paint that building. 976 00:45:14,260 --> 00:45:15,260 But why not? 977 00:45:15,260 --> 00:45:16,260 That's why none of the... 978 00:45:16,260 --> 00:45:20,260 I'll sign a damn waiver that says if I hurt myself or anyone else, I'm liable. 979 00:45:20,260 --> 00:45:21,260 I'll sign it. 980 00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:22,260 A waiver is a good idea. 981 00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:24,260 You know, geez, it's just crazy. 982 00:45:24,260 --> 00:45:25,260 It is crazy. 983 00:45:25,260 --> 00:45:26,260 You know? 984 00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:29,260 Well, Pam planted them without signing a waiver. 985 00:45:29,260 --> 00:45:30,260 Exactly. 986 00:45:30,260 --> 00:45:31,260 I can't use them. 987 00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:33,389 Well, she was on the committee that... 988 00:45:33,389 --> 00:45:36,389 I mean, you can cut them down for something. 989 00:45:36,389 --> 00:45:37,389 Yeah. 990 00:45:37,389 --> 00:45:38,389 She wants to enforce them. 991 00:45:38,389 --> 00:45:39,389 That's the committee's nonsense. 992 00:45:39,389 --> 00:45:40,389 I don't know. 993 00:45:40,389 --> 00:45:41,389 Right. 994 00:45:41,389 --> 00:45:43,389 All you got to do is get a committee for groundbreaking. 995 00:45:43,389 --> 00:45:45,389 I guess here's my thing. 996 00:45:45,389 --> 00:45:51,579 If I go cut them down, I want you to enforce whatever you have for a law to stop me. 997 00:45:51,579 --> 00:45:52,579 Go ahead. 998 00:45:52,579 --> 00:45:53,579 I'm cutting them down. 999 00:45:53,579 --> 00:45:55,579 So I go down here tomorrow, I start cutting them down. 1000 00:45:55,579 --> 00:45:56,579 Who's going to stop me? 1001 00:45:56,579 --> 00:45:57,900 Right? 1002 00:45:57,900 --> 00:45:58,900 And who's going to sue me later? 1003 00:45:58,900 --> 00:45:59,900 Oh, geez. 1004 00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:01,900 You're kicking me to court to cut down flowers? 1005 00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:02,900 Okay. 1006 00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:03,900 Just don't pull your back out or cut yourself or anything. 1007 00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:04,900 I don't care. 1008 00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:05,900 I'm not going to sue you. 1009 00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:06,900 I don't know. 1010 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:07,900 I'll never sue you. 1011 00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:08,900 I hear you. 1012 00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:09,900 I'd fall off the ladder up on the beach and probably try to get back up and do it again. 1013 00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:10,900 I've got two plates in my mouth. 1014 00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:11,900 I'm good. 1015 00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:12,900 Yeah. 1016 00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:13,900 No, I hear you. 1017 00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:14,900 It's just that it's something that's lost in all of it. 1018 00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:15,900 It is. 1019 00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:16,900 It's a pain in the ass. 1020 00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:17,900 If it works, then probably your job is to care about some of it. 1021 00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:18,900 I personally think you should ask a janitor or a school kid to do that. 1022 00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:19,900 Yeah. 1023 00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:20,900 Yeah. 1024 00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:21,900 Yeah. 1025 00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:22,900 Yeah. 1026 00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:23,900 Yeah. 1027 00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:24,900 Yeah. 1028 00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:25,900 Yeah. 1029 00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:26,900 Just because, like you said, maybe they'll say, yeah, that's a great idea. 1030 00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:27,900 If they don't, let me know. 1031 00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:28,900 Now, at least do the flowers. 1032 00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:29,900 I mean, I don't know about the bushes. 1033 00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:30,900 I can come down with a hatchet or something. 1034 00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:31,900 No. 1035 00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:32,900 Maybe this is tall or orange or yellow things. 1036 00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:33,900 They just need to be cut down. 1037 00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:34,900 Next year, they're going to grow back. 1038 00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:35,900 Yeah. 1039 00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:36,900 And in the meantime, you're going to die in this land there. 1040 00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:38,099 And in the spring, you're going to look like you're not going to be either. 1041 00:46:38,099 --> 00:46:39,099 Are they junipers? 1042 00:46:39,099 --> 00:46:40,099 Watch this. 1043 00:46:40,099 --> 00:46:41,099 Are they junipers? 1044 00:46:41,099 --> 00:46:42,099 Yeah. 1045 00:46:42,099 --> 00:46:43,099 Are they junipers? 1046 00:46:43,099 --> 00:46:44,099 Yeah. 1047 00:46:44,099 --> 00:46:45,099 Are they junipers? 1048 00:46:45,099 --> 00:46:46,099 Yeah. 1049 00:46:46,099 --> 00:46:47,099 Are they junipers? 1050 00:46:47,099 --> 00:46:48,099 Yeah. 1051 00:46:48,099 --> 00:46:49,099 Are they junipers? 1052 00:46:49,099 --> 00:46:50,099 Yeah. 1053 00:46:56,099 --> 00:46:57,099 They're going to die. 1054 00:46:57,099 --> 00:46:58,099 Yeah. 1055 00:46:58,099 --> 00:46:59,099 They'll die. 1056 00:46:59,099 --> 00:47:00,099 Yeah. 1057 00:47:00,099 --> 00:47:01,099 Boy, they'll die. 1058 00:47:01,099 --> 00:47:02,099 You're going to die. 1059 00:47:02,099 --> 00:47:03,099 You're going to die. 1060 00:47:03,099 --> 00:47:04,099 You're going to die. 1061 00:47:04,099 --> 00:47:05,099 Yeah. 1062 00:47:05,099 --> 00:47:06,099 Look, as long as you don't get juniper ash. 1063 00:47:06,099 --> 00:47:07,099 Yes. 1064 00:47:07,099 --> 00:47:08,099 Yes. 1065 00:47:08,099 --> 00:47:09,099 Yes. 1066 00:47:09,099 --> 00:47:10,099 Yeah. 1067 00:47:10,099 --> 00:47:11,099 So, that'll really stick out behind Casey's window out there. 1068 00:47:11,099 --> 00:47:12,099 That would be bad. 1069 00:47:12,099 --> 00:47:13,099 Yeah. 1070 00:47:13,099 --> 00:47:14,099 Yeah. 1071 00:47:14,099 --> 00:47:15,099 What about the tree and the boxes? 1072 00:47:15,099 --> 00:47:16,099 What do you mean? 1073 00:47:16,099 --> 00:47:17,099 There's a box in the side? 1074 00:47:17,099 --> 00:47:18,099 If you don't go out, you'll water the flowers out front, right? 1075 00:47:18,099 --> 00:47:19,099 Mm-hmm. 1076 00:47:19,099 --> 00:47:20,099 I mean, you water the flowers, there's an extension cord, it comes down. 1077 00:47:20,099 --> 00:47:21,099 From the Christmas tree. 1078 00:47:21,099 --> 00:47:22,099 That's right. 1079 00:47:22,099 --> 00:47:23,099 Yeah. 1080 00:47:23,099 --> 00:47:24,099 Yeah. 1081 00:47:24,099 --> 00:47:26,800 Do it. Do whatever it takes to get through this. 1082 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,760 It looks like they need to do it. 1083 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,000 The boss tells you to do something else? 1084 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,199 I'll give you that later. 1085 00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:34,500 Bye, boss. 1086 00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:35,900 Anything else you have to do about this? 1087 00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:36,500 I'm sorry. 1088 00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:38,900 I don't know if we got an answer on that. 1089 00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:40,679 Yeah. 1090 00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:42,280 Mic's off. 1091 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,079 Okay. 1092 00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:45,880 I have a motion to go into executive session 1093 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,679 for legal matters. 1094 00:47:48,679 --> 00:47:49,480 Hola. 1095 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:49,980 Oh. 1096 00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:52,159 I have a question. 1097 00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:57,880 You've had executive sessions for legal matters for six months? 1098 00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:58,179 Yeah. 1099 00:47:58,179 --> 00:47:59,480 At least the last three or four? 1100 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:00,079 Yeah. 1101 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,480 When you resolve this legal matter, 1102 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,380 are you going to let the public know what you've been doing? 1103 00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:07,380 It'll become part of the record. 1104 00:48:07,380 --> 00:48:07,880 Yeah. 1105 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,380 It will become part of the... 1106 00:48:09,380 --> 00:48:11,179 They're not all the same legal matters. 1107 00:48:11,179 --> 00:48:12,679 Two legal matters. 1108 00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:17,420 But they will become part of the record in the open meeting. 1109 00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:19,460 Okay. 1110 00:48:19,460 --> 00:48:23,760 Because so far, when you've left executive session, 1111 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,590 you've made no statement about whether you made a decision 1112 00:48:28,590 --> 00:48:31,590 or whether it's continuing. 1113 00:48:31,590 --> 00:48:32,090 There's nothing... 1114 00:48:32,090 --> 00:48:33,989 Nothing's been made about it. 1115 00:48:33,989 --> 00:48:37,289 We have come out of the executive session back to regular meeting 1116 00:48:37,289 --> 00:48:41,289 and said that we came out and no decision was made. 1117 00:48:41,289 --> 00:48:41,989 No decision. 1118 00:48:41,989 --> 00:48:43,389 We have done that every single time. 1119 00:48:43,389 --> 00:48:45,489 But when you make a decision, we'll let you know. 1120 00:48:45,489 --> 00:48:46,880 Mm-hmm. 1121 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:47,679 Okay. 1122 00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:55,440 Second, a motion. 1123 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:56,840 Okay. 1124 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,039 All right.