1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:08,580 And to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 2 00:00:10,710 --> 00:00:13,779 Thank you. 3 00:00:16,739 --> 00:00:19,219 Welcome to a meeting of the Stanford Select Board. 4 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,160 If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, 5 00:00:23,699 --> 00:00:27,379 you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address. 6 00:00:27,940 --> 00:00:30,219 You will notice that all our meetings are recorded, 7 00:00:30,219 --> 00:00:32,960 and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes. 8 00:00:33,579 --> 00:00:38,500 Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and 15 minutes per topic. 9 00:00:39,119 --> 00:00:43,119 Discussions will be held in a common, civilized manner and respectful of others. 10 00:00:43,579 --> 00:00:45,520 Select Board members present are... 11 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:46,119 Mike Dinnall. 12 00:00:46,420 --> 00:00:47,340 Nancy Bershika. 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,159 Doug Wright. 14 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:49,159 John Dunn. 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:49,880 Kurt Kamari. 16 00:00:50,679 --> 00:00:56,159 Will there be any adding of items or removing items from tonight's agenda? 17 00:00:57,380 --> 00:00:59,359 I do. Correspondents, six minutes. 18 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:00,039 Okay. 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,119 Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, 20 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:03,359 such as... 21 00:01:03,579 --> 00:01:05,120 Just changing the order of items. 22 00:01:07,269 --> 00:01:07,549 Okay. 23 00:01:08,989 --> 00:01:11,650 Hearing the visitors, Patrick, you're on first. 24 00:01:12,469 --> 00:01:12,769 Hello. 25 00:01:12,769 --> 00:01:14,590 Would I be able to stand and talk to you? 26 00:01:14,590 --> 00:01:15,189 Be sure. 27 00:01:15,189 --> 00:01:16,430 You can stand by Laurie. 28 00:01:16,430 --> 00:01:17,030 Yeah, perfect. 29 00:01:17,329 --> 00:01:17,709 Perfect. 30 00:01:18,109 --> 00:01:18,390 All right. 31 00:01:19,689 --> 00:01:20,870 Hi, I'm Pat Kennedy. 32 00:01:22,129 --> 00:01:24,769 I was a local, grew up here, kid. 33 00:01:24,989 --> 00:01:25,870 I live in North Adams. 34 00:01:25,870 --> 00:01:28,010 Hopefully, I will be back in Stanford one day. 35 00:01:29,269 --> 00:01:32,150 I have since started a recycling company in Adams, Mass. 36 00:01:33,609 --> 00:01:35,150 I'm just trying to work with you guys. 37 00:01:35,310 --> 00:01:37,849 We do a lot of the tough to do recycling items. 38 00:01:38,090 --> 00:01:39,189 We do mattresses. 39 00:01:39,250 --> 00:01:39,950 We do tires. 40 00:01:40,390 --> 00:01:45,310 We do any appliance unit or any electronic waste whatsoever. 41 00:01:45,689 --> 00:01:49,510 So I do have like a price list thing I can pass along to everybody. 42 00:01:49,870 --> 00:01:54,730 I'm just trying to get into Stanford to hopefully make your guys' life easier. 43 00:01:54,969 --> 00:01:56,909 Transfer stations cost a lot to run. 44 00:01:57,810 --> 00:01:59,269 If I can divert it, great. 45 00:01:59,370 --> 00:02:05,069 If I can't divert it, I can come pick it up from you, do whatever you guys need at the most, 46 00:02:05,069 --> 00:02:05,129 most cost-effective price. 47 00:02:05,150 --> 00:02:10,370 effective way. Massachusetts is a little different from Vermont because you don't 48 00:02:10,370 --> 00:02:15,050 have the bands on the mattresses, you still have problems with electronics, you 49 00:02:15,050 --> 00:02:21,280 have food's a tricky thing, composting, I can help, I have a friend in 50 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:27,759 that business if the school struggles with that at all. But what I do is mainly 51 00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:32,560 mattresses type, all four of those categories. I think I can save you money 52 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,479 compared to any other place where you would be able to go and I know there was 53 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:44,409 concern about crossing lines of Vermont and Massachusetts. So the reason that 54 00:02:44,409 --> 00:02:49,159 mattresses in Massachusetts go to Connecticut and sometimes they go to 55 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:54,020 upstate New York in a landfill is because of logistics laws transferring 56 00:02:54,020 --> 00:03:01,330 over. But me being a certified recycling center, I'm not worried about the 57 00:03:01,330 --> 00:03:03,050 logistics and getting that 58 00:03:03,050 --> 00:03:10,050 to have no effect on Stanford whatsoever. I'm $45 a mattress where 59 00:03:10,050 --> 00:03:18,250 Casella you bring it to Lenox, it's $55. On tires, I'm $8. I'm willing to work 60 00:03:18,250 --> 00:03:22,030 with whatever we do, however I can make your life easier, however I can save you 61 00:03:22,030 --> 00:03:26,409 guys any money on your budgets because I'm sure that's one of your topics of 62 00:03:26,409 --> 00:03:32,990 agenda today. Just something that we do do. I would love to know any feedback 63 00:03:32,990 --> 00:03:33,990 where you do struggle. 64 00:03:33,990 --> 00:03:37,889 Do you struggle in the transfer station? Or if I can do anything to... 65 00:03:37,889 --> 00:03:40,879 Patrick, you have a website? 66 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:41,879 We do. 67 00:03:41,879 --> 00:03:42,879 Oh yes, you do. Okay. 68 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:46,479 We're working on really upgrading the website as we speak. It's hopefully 69 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:51,000 about two days from launching where the pickup app will be so stinking easy to 70 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:56,099 use. It's step-by-step. Program your name, number. We'll give you a date when we'll 71 00:03:56,099 --> 00:03:59,879 come pick it up at your house. So maybe people don't even need to use your 72 00:03:59,879 --> 00:04:01,879 transfer station for those bulky things. 73 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:04,960 That's what I like. It said you're going to pick them up. So if I have a 74 00:04:04,979 --> 00:04:07,080 10 tires... 75 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:13,080 So I grew up in the mattress industry. I carried a couple of them in my day. They 76 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,879 are not easy to carry. I'm a pretty big human being. I can do firewood pretty 77 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:25,040 well. Not as good as this guy Ken, but I did my fair share of it too. It's just a 78 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,839 difficult unit. It's difficult to do things. Mattresses especially, that's where our 79 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,839 business concept came into and then since we expanded because Berkshire County is a 80 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:34,839 small logistics area. 81 00:04:35,139 --> 00:04:39,139 Westfield has more people than Berkshire County does. It's one of those tricky things 82 00:04:39,139 --> 00:04:46,139 where we're looking to expand. Our facility is in full swing with big 8,000 square feet 83 00:04:46,139 --> 00:04:51,139 to cut up mattresses. We give tours if you want to ever come take a peek. Make sure that 84 00:04:51,139 --> 00:04:54,139 everything's set up the way you guys would like it to be set up. 85 00:04:54,139 --> 00:05:01,139 That's one thing that I was talking about in your business early in the year and Dr. 86 00:05:01,139 --> 00:05:04,139 Kyle, you're actually recycling the mattresses. You're not bringing them somewhere else. You're 87 00:05:04,139 --> 00:05:05,139 not bringing them somewhere else. You're actually recycling the mattresses. You're not bringing 88 00:05:05,139 --> 00:05:06,139 them somewhere else. Me too. 89 00:05:06,139 --> 00:05:07,139 They are not getting transferred to Connecticut like every other mattress in, well, there's 90 00:05:07,139 --> 00:05:15,139 a place in Gardner. That's my closest competition to actually put Santa and then people that 91 00:05:15,139 --> 00:05:23,649 do it illegally but, 1500 mattresses we've done in rounds and 1500 mattresses wouldn't 92 00:05:23,649 --> 00:05:29,649 fit in this place. I occupy about that amount of space with 1500 mattresses if I've got 93 00:05:29,649 --> 00:05:34,649 enough that height to the ceiling so we really reduced the footprint that we're going to 94 00:05:34,649 --> 00:05:39,009 landfills. Right now Vermont mattresses go all the way up to New York, upstate New 95 00:05:39,009 --> 00:05:44,470 York and get dumped in a mattress just as it is. That takes up a lot of space 96 00:05:44,470 --> 00:05:47,970 that's gonna fill up way quicker than anybody wants that to happen. 97 00:05:47,970 --> 00:05:49,970 Well, you can take a mattress to the degree. 98 00:05:49,970 --> 00:05:55,970 Right next to that nuclear waste. 99 00:05:55,970 --> 00:06:03,509 Just use it to dig the hole or surround the hole. Mattresses, there's a ton of foam. 100 00:06:03,509 --> 00:06:08,009 There's a lot of, I mean, we've got stuff with horse hair in it, so I didn't have a 101 00:06:08,009 --> 00:06:13,670 second home for the horse hair, unfortunately. We ideally, we're at 80% now 102 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:21,269 of the mattresses recycled we hope to be. If we can get the toppers gone, find a 103 00:06:21,269 --> 00:06:25,930 home for them. If anybody has a creative mind, hey, I'm all about it. If anybody needs some 104 00:06:25,930 --> 00:06:32,170 pallet wood, I can drop as much box spring wood off as anybody needs. But I'm 105 00:06:32,170 --> 00:06:33,649 just trying to get in and say hi to everybody. 106 00:06:33,649 --> 00:06:38,870 If you have a Tom's website, I'm trying to get on that Tom's website of the reference over so 107 00:06:38,870 --> 00:06:45,060 maybe just a direct link to our website because websites are making them easy to 108 00:06:45,060 --> 00:06:51,360 use for all different ages is a tricky thing and I think we we're really close 109 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,540 to having that. Perfect. Do you have some flyers you could leave outside in the 110 00:06:55,540 --> 00:07:03,360 hallway? I definitely do. I can take a picture of that. Yeah, perfect. I've got one. I'm also a 111 00:07:03,899 --> 00:07:09,019 But if you want, leave some out on the table out there would be good. 112 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:09,680 Perfect. 113 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:10,379 I will do that. 114 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:11,600 Any questions for me, anybody? 115 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:22,600 Would it be worth putting one up on the bulletin board if you didn't have to dump for people who are needing a resource for mattresses? 116 00:07:22,899 --> 00:07:31,959 There's no, it's not a competition for us at all because we lose money at our, no matter where they go, it's a good thing for us. 117 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:36,240 Every time that we want to, they, transfer stations cost a fortune to occupy. 118 00:07:36,399 --> 00:07:38,279 I'm not trying to aggravate anybody's job. 119 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,779 It's just the things that we do are a pain in the butt to do. 120 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,139 It's not trash. 121 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:55,459 I think, you know, at the recycling center and maybe out, there's a bulletin board out right on the school wall and it says, not town, not school, but there's other news or something. 122 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:56,959 Other flyers could go there. 123 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:58,800 People might see it there. 124 00:07:59,279 --> 00:07:59,720 Definitely. 125 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,879 Are these prices with the free outage? 126 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,160 We take the free on out. 127 00:08:04,279 --> 00:08:05,259 That's what, that's what, that's what. 128 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:06,279 For an AC unit? 129 00:08:06,639 --> 00:08:06,839 Yep. 130 00:08:06,839 --> 00:08:07,620 With the free on. 131 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:07,939 Yep. 132 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,360 If the free on is out of it, it's scrapped. 133 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:25,199 So I like to look at, I don't know what the transfer station's taking in now, but look at, okay, well, people might not want to go down to Adams because we do take a lot of that. 134 00:08:25,279 --> 00:08:25,439 Yeah. 135 00:08:25,439 --> 00:08:31,160 But if you said, all right, well, every month I'm going to come up and say, here's a. 136 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:37,240 You know, 20 air conditioners that we took down and we charged X amount of dollars. 137 00:08:37,340 --> 00:08:37,679 You charge. 138 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:51,320 I don't want to lose money, but I mean, if he's taking them for cheaper than what we're charging now or the same, I would say for his efficiency, if he's up here at this point, I don't see anything on his list that we shouldn't just say, Hey, you want to grab it? 139 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:51,740 Right. 140 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:57,980 If he's coming to get a refrigerator from somebody up here a month ago up to the recycling center, I'm sure there's something sitting there he can take. 141 00:08:58,019 --> 00:09:01,080 I'm playing on one day a week doing a local North Adams suite. 142 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:07,080 Stanford, you know, right now there's a bunch of tires there and I can tell you his price is way cheaper. 143 00:09:07,299 --> 00:09:07,539 Right. 144 00:09:07,879 --> 00:09:10,860 So we're paying, we're just writing a check to their company instead. 145 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,000 I have a W-9. 146 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,240 I have proof of insurance. 147 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:14,720 Everything will be tracked. 148 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,080 So your numbers will be accurate when your time. 149 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,779 The mattress bands come into Vermont, Massachusetts. 150 00:09:21,740 --> 00:09:22,980 They're not strict on it. 151 00:09:23,019 --> 00:09:25,019 People are still getting away, bringing them over the borders. 152 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,399 That's, that's what we're working on shutting down right now. 153 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:28,740 So they don't go to a landfill. 154 00:09:30,220 --> 00:09:30,620 And. 155 00:09:30,620 --> 00:09:34,879 There's a lot of hours, but I worked a lot of hours of my whole life. 156 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:36,240 This isn't, this is nothing new to me. 157 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,720 What's the tire, what's the tire, eight bucks, eight bucks. 158 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:38,940 Yeah. 159 00:09:38,940 --> 00:09:42,799 The last few men we've ever retired, they sell a couple of them there at 30 bucks a piece. 160 00:09:42,799 --> 00:09:45,860 So to be quite honest with you, don't go pat that. 161 00:09:45,860 --> 00:09:46,460 Geez. 162 00:09:46,460 --> 00:09:51,200 I'm just saying, if you want to swing a few of the tires, feel free. 163 00:09:52,179 --> 00:09:55,460 They might be one of my customers is all I'll say on that. 164 00:09:55,460 --> 00:09:55,879 All right. 165 00:09:55,879 --> 00:09:59,250 So I, I'm here. 166 00:09:59,490 --> 00:10:00,629 We're not going anywhere. 167 00:10:00,690 --> 00:10:01,149 I love it. 168 00:10:01,169 --> 00:10:03,090 I love to save you guys money, make your life easier. 169 00:10:03,090 --> 00:10:05,889 I'm a phone call away with, with, with anything. 170 00:10:06,090 --> 00:10:09,250 Uh, you can call me, Hey, I'm getting way too full up here. 171 00:10:09,289 --> 00:10:15,169 Like you, I don't see Stanford filling up your transfer station in a day, but Hey, I'll do a recycle event. 172 00:10:15,169 --> 00:10:16,590 If you want me to do up there, right. 173 00:10:16,629 --> 00:10:16,889 Right. 174 00:10:16,889 --> 00:10:19,169 I have the, whatever could be easiest. 175 00:10:19,230 --> 00:10:21,629 The problem we find is nobody has trucks anymore. 176 00:10:21,690 --> 00:10:22,730 Gas is expensive. 177 00:10:22,730 --> 00:10:23,769 Trucks are expensive. 178 00:10:24,169 --> 00:10:30,450 So the pickup idea makes it easier for everybody not to have three lawnmowers on their board. 179 00:10:30,450 --> 00:10:30,809 I mean. 180 00:10:31,169 --> 00:10:32,009 Propane tanks. 181 00:10:32,009 --> 00:10:35,889 We can do now anything question, give us a call. 182 00:10:35,929 --> 00:10:37,049 We'll, we'll make it happen. 183 00:10:37,049 --> 00:10:37,350 Sure. 184 00:10:37,350 --> 00:10:38,909 If, if we can, there's an avenue. 185 00:10:40,169 --> 00:10:41,490 I think we're definitely going to work. 186 00:10:47,490 --> 00:10:48,029 Please do. 187 00:10:48,029 --> 00:10:52,289 I, I appreciate any word that spread where a year and a half. 188 00:10:52,289 --> 00:10:56,250 Then I also want to know what, what do you do with the mattresses? 189 00:10:57,169 --> 00:10:57,389 Yeah. 190 00:10:57,389 --> 00:10:58,769 So we actually take them right in house. 191 00:10:58,769 --> 00:11:00,210 We, we cut them all apart. 192 00:11:00,210 --> 00:11:00,389 We're. 193 00:11:00,389 --> 00:11:02,710 We're always looking for volunteers for hours too. 194 00:11:02,710 --> 00:11:11,730 Um, I can even pay you. 195 00:11:11,730 --> 00:11:18,570 It's just the guy, my competition, this guy can cut 76 mattresses in a day and he makes 16 bucks an hour. 196 00:11:18,570 --> 00:11:22,190 So I'm like, well, I'll pay him 20 and bring him up here. 197 00:11:23,830 --> 00:11:25,049 Um, yeah. 198 00:11:25,049 --> 00:11:29,539 So yeah, I'm just trying to make my feet. 199 00:11:29,779 --> 00:11:31,039 So we, we cut it up. 200 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:32,299 Take it all apart. 201 00:11:32,539 --> 00:11:36,500 The fabrics that I would love to show you in house, what we do. 202 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:39,740 So it starts with, you know, up against the wall, put it on our table. 203 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:48,360 My kids are my cutters and, uh, my partners, my partners, workers are, we're working on getting a couple of employees. 204 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:53,080 Now, um, a couple more employees now that they're going to school now. 205 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,360 So they can get their education. 206 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,960 Sounds like he's got some labor there. 207 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,399 Child slave labor. 208 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:01,159 Whoa, whoa. 209 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:06,500 You ever, that was when I grew up where 1999 for the best pair of money can buy. 210 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:10,639 Now the ones they want are $150 and you're like, well, you're not getting those. 211 00:12:10,639 --> 00:12:17,399 So yeah, whatever you want now, you're just going to work for it. 212 00:12:17,399 --> 00:12:19,519 So they get cut up home, get separated. 213 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:25,399 The metal goes to the scrap yard and the phone, I had to sell them 22,000 palm increments to get rid of it. 214 00:12:25,399 --> 00:12:30,440 So it's not an easy gig, but, uh, and I might get lunch money after we get it. 215 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:30,860 It's more. 216 00:12:30,860 --> 00:12:31,259 It's going. 217 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:32,000 It goes with second use. 218 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,740 It's not the profit on the cell on the phone. 219 00:12:33,740 --> 00:12:38,419 It's like the second use where it goes to, it doesn't go to a landfill, but it's getting used. 220 00:12:38,419 --> 00:12:39,519 It's getting used. 221 00:12:40,039 --> 00:12:43,220 Ideally, if you find anybody who can, so I want to make dog beds. 222 00:12:43,220 --> 00:12:45,000 I would love to make them my pillow. 223 00:12:46,820 --> 00:12:50,360 People spend more money on their dog than they do on their, on their, my pillow for themselves. 224 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:55,600 So a nice quality memory foam dog bed for your bed made from the virtues would be a great thing. 225 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,440 But, uh, thank you so much. 226 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:57,940 Thank you. 227 00:12:57,940 --> 00:12:58,559 Thank you. 228 00:12:58,559 --> 00:12:59,059 Thank you. 229 00:12:59,059 --> 00:12:59,539 Thank you. 230 00:12:59,539 --> 00:13:00,299 Thank you. 231 00:13:00,299 --> 00:13:01,299 So, uh, yeah. 232 00:13:01,299 --> 00:13:02,539 Leave your flyers out there. 233 00:13:02,539 --> 00:13:03,299 Yeah. 234 00:13:03,299 --> 00:13:04,080 I'll leave them up there. 235 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:04,840 Thank you so much. 236 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:05,940 Hopefully we'll see you guys. 237 00:13:05,940 --> 00:13:06,440 All right. 238 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,649 Take care of that. 239 00:13:09,649 --> 00:13:10,370 Thank you guys. 240 00:13:10,370 --> 00:13:10,870 Right. 241 00:13:10,870 --> 00:13:19,019 Um, any other visitors? 242 00:13:19,019 --> 00:13:20,470 Yeah. 243 00:13:20,470 --> 00:13:27,330 Well, I was hoping that this agenda would have been, uh, or would have been an agenda item. 244 00:13:27,330 --> 00:13:31,809 Um, I brought this up about two years ago and just brought it up again. 245 00:13:31,809 --> 00:13:32,909 I emailed Nancy. 246 00:13:32,909 --> 00:13:33,909 A couple of weeks ago. 247 00:13:33,909 --> 00:13:41,590 There has been a tremendous amount of traffic going up, um, mill road, county road. 248 00:13:41,590 --> 00:13:48,149 They've started the high tensions and, um, you said you weren't aware of it. 249 00:13:48,149 --> 00:13:49,149 So right. 250 00:13:49,149 --> 00:13:50,149 Right. 251 00:13:50,149 --> 00:13:58,539 What is the town doing to help get money to fix the road that is turning, excuse me, to 252 00:13:58,539 --> 00:13:59,539 ship? 253 00:13:59,539 --> 00:14:00,539 It's this county road. 254 00:14:00,539 --> 00:14:01,539 It's counting. 255 00:14:01,539 --> 00:14:02,539 Mill road is awful. 256 00:14:02,539 --> 00:14:04,779 At this point, it's a disaster. 257 00:14:04,779 --> 00:14:07,899 You can't believe Dave, you can probably attest to this. 258 00:14:07,899 --> 00:14:15,809 You can't believe the traffic and they, they have the caution signs partway up the road, 259 00:14:15,809 --> 00:14:17,509 not even at the beginning of the road. 260 00:14:17,509 --> 00:14:23,309 So you come up that road and you've got an 18 wheeler coming down to get their second 261 00:14:23,309 --> 00:14:31,750 or third or fourth load of the blankets that they put, which I think is at hot pins right 262 00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:33,549 now. 263 00:14:33,549 --> 00:14:34,549 Why weren't we notified? 264 00:14:34,549 --> 00:14:35,549 Why weren't the residents notified? 265 00:14:35,549 --> 00:14:46,309 How are we going to get money for, excuse me, how is, how are all five of you going to interact 266 00:14:46,309 --> 00:14:49,789 with these companies to get money to fix this road? 267 00:14:49,789 --> 00:14:59,009 I'm pretty sure what is it five an inch every year is the normal degradation of, of a dirt 268 00:14:59,009 --> 00:15:00,009 road. 269 00:15:00,009 --> 00:15:01,009 Right now. 270 00:15:01,009 --> 00:15:02,009 We have washboards that are literally hopping you across the road. 271 00:15:02,009 --> 00:15:03,009 I'm pretty sure we were notified. 272 00:15:03,009 --> 00:15:04,370 It must be recent. 273 00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:05,370 It's awful. 274 00:15:05,370 --> 00:15:06,370 Cause I was up there a week ago. 275 00:15:06,370 --> 00:15:07,370 Well the last couple weeks they've been doing this. 276 00:15:07,370 --> 00:15:08,370 Is that anything to do with? 277 00:15:08,370 --> 00:15:09,370 Guys, why don't we notify? 278 00:15:09,370 --> 00:15:10,370 Why, why don't we have notifications down that mill road? 279 00:15:10,370 --> 00:15:11,370 I'm pretty sure we had the same forestry people here telling us we were going to see some 280 00:15:11,370 --> 00:15:12,370 things coming and going. 281 00:15:12,370 --> 00:15:13,370 And they said they would notify us. 282 00:15:13,370 --> 00:15:14,370 Nothing. 283 00:15:14,370 --> 00:15:15,370 And they. 284 00:15:15,370 --> 00:15:16,370 And they did say when it starts they would notify us. 285 00:15:16,370 --> 00:15:17,370 No. 286 00:15:17,370 --> 00:15:18,370 And it's not. 287 00:15:18,370 --> 00:15:19,370 Riggs Dittler did provide a over the road use permit. 288 00:15:19,370 --> 00:15:20,370 And they did. 289 00:15:20,370 --> 00:15:21,370 And they did. 290 00:15:21,370 --> 00:15:22,370 And they did. 291 00:15:22,370 --> 00:15:23,370 And they did. 292 00:15:23,370 --> 00:15:24,370 And they did. 293 00:15:24,370 --> 00:15:25,370 And they did. 294 00:15:25,370 --> 00:15:26,370 And they did. 295 00:15:26,370 --> 00:15:27,370 And they did. 296 00:15:27,370 --> 00:15:28,370 And they did. 297 00:15:28,370 --> 00:15:29,370 And they did. 298 00:15:29,370 --> 00:15:33,129 And they did provide a over the road use permit. 299 00:15:33,129 --> 00:15:34,129 Yep. 300 00:15:34,129 --> 00:15:35,129 I'm assuming. 301 00:15:35,129 --> 00:15:36,129 And we do have their insurance. 302 00:15:36,129 --> 00:15:37,970 So that's on file. 303 00:15:37,970 --> 00:15:39,850 But this is a national program. 304 00:15:39,850 --> 00:15:41,950 There's got to be fines. 305 00:15:41,950 --> 00:15:43,210 There has to be. 306 00:15:43,210 --> 00:15:47,649 This is a great opportunity to fix mill road. 307 00:15:47,649 --> 00:15:51,470 Cause right now. 308 00:15:51,470 --> 00:15:52,470 You're out of money. 309 00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:55,330 How are we going to fix mill road? 310 00:15:55,330 --> 00:15:56,370 So I. 311 00:15:56,370 --> 00:15:57,950 I don't know about the funds. 312 00:15:57,950 --> 00:15:58,950 Because we. 313 00:15:58,950 --> 00:15:59,750 We've had. 314 00:15:59,750 --> 00:16:00,750 We've had people up there before. 315 00:16:00,750 --> 00:16:01,750 And we've never received. 316 00:16:01,750 --> 00:16:02,750 Funds. 317 00:16:02,750 --> 00:16:03,750 You have to go back. 318 00:16:03,750 --> 00:16:04,750 I don't know. 319 00:16:04,750 --> 00:16:05,750 I don't. 320 00:16:05,750 --> 00:16:06,750 Excuse me. 321 00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:07,750 What. 322 00:16:07,750 --> 00:16:08,750 I don't know if. 323 00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:10,230 We are. 324 00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:11,230 In that position. 325 00:16:11,230 --> 00:16:12,620 To. 326 00:16:12,620 --> 00:16:13,620 Demand. 327 00:16:13,620 --> 00:16:14,620 Funds. 328 00:16:14,620 --> 00:16:15,620 If there's a. 329 00:16:15,620 --> 00:16:16,710 If there's a. 330 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:17,710 A program. 331 00:16:17,710 --> 00:16:18,710 That'd be one thing. 332 00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:19,710 But. 333 00:16:19,710 --> 00:16:20,710 I'm unaware of any programs. 334 00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:21,710 At this point. 335 00:16:21,710 --> 00:16:22,710 That says. 336 00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:23,710 Hey. 337 00:16:23,710 --> 00:16:24,710 If you have. 338 00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:25,710 Projects going up there. 339 00:16:25,710 --> 00:16:26,710 We've had projects for years. 340 00:16:26,710 --> 00:16:27,710 Up there. 341 00:16:27,710 --> 00:16:28,710 And never received any funds. 342 00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:29,710 I would. 343 00:16:29,710 --> 00:16:30,710 I'm not aware of anything. 344 00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:31,710 Either. 345 00:16:31,710 --> 00:16:32,710 I mean. 346 00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:33,710 This is. 347 00:16:33,710 --> 00:16:34,840 We get state funding. 348 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:35,840 The. 349 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:36,840 Truckers pay. 350 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:37,840 Fuel tax. 351 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:38,840 Road use tax. 352 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:39,840 And that's where. 353 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:40,840 A lot of this. 354 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:41,840 Money comes from. 355 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:42,840 That we receive. 356 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:43,840 I would say. 357 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:44,840 From the state. 358 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:45,840 Right. 359 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:46,840 It's hard to say. 360 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:47,840 Who's causing. 361 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:48,840 Damage. 362 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:49,840 I mean. 363 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:50,840 Right now. 364 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:51,840 It's been dry. 365 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:52,840 For months. 366 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:53,840 I mean. 367 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:54,840 I've certainly seen the road. 368 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:55,840 Worse. 369 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:56,840 Than it is. 370 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:57,840 At the moment. 371 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:58,840 I would have graded it. 372 00:16:58,840 --> 00:16:59,840 Already. 373 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:00,840 You know. 374 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:01,840 Where it's a nice. 375 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:02,840 Soft rain. 376 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:03,840 But if I graded it. 377 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:04,839 At the moment. 378 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:05,839 It would be worse. 379 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:06,839 In two days. 380 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:07,839 Than it is now. 381 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:08,839 It would just be loose. 382 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:09,839 So. 383 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:10,839 Yeah. 384 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:11,839 It'd be. 385 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:12,839 It'd be nice. 386 00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:13,839 I mean. 387 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:14,839 I can't imagine. 388 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:15,839 How much money. 389 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:16,839 They're going to spend. 390 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:17,839 Up there. 391 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:18,839 They could throw. 392 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:19,839 You know. 393 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:20,839 Some at us. 394 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:21,839 It'd be nice. 395 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:22,839 If you can. 396 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:24,380 Find a way. 397 00:17:24,380 --> 00:17:25,380 To do it. 398 00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:26,380 Great. 399 00:17:26,380 --> 00:17:27,380 Is there anybody. 400 00:17:27,380 --> 00:17:28,380 You could check. 401 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:29,380 With your contact. 402 00:17:29,380 --> 00:17:30,380 In Bennington. 403 00:17:30,380 --> 00:17:31,380 Yeah. 404 00:17:31,380 --> 00:17:32,380 That's. 405 00:17:32,380 --> 00:17:33,380 Certainly see some residents. 406 00:17:33,380 --> 00:17:34,380 Going up and down. 407 00:17:34,380 --> 00:17:35,380 As much. 408 00:17:35,380 --> 00:17:36,380 You know. 409 00:17:36,380 --> 00:17:37,380 In a week. 410 00:17:37,380 --> 00:17:38,380 As. 411 00:17:38,380 --> 00:17:39,380 Probably these trucks are. 412 00:17:39,380 --> 00:17:42,400 During the day. 413 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:43,400 If I could. 414 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:44,400 If I could point out. 415 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,400 That they were actually. 416 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,400 Causing damage. 417 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:47,400 I think I'd be down here. 418 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:48,430 Trying to. 419 00:17:48,430 --> 00:17:49,430 Right. 420 00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:50,430 Invent you. 421 00:17:50,430 --> 00:17:51,430 To go after them. 422 00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:52,430 But. 423 00:17:52,430 --> 00:17:53,430 I don't think. 424 00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:54,430 That we have a case. 425 00:17:54,430 --> 00:17:55,430 At this point. 426 00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:56,430 Other than. 427 00:17:56,430 --> 00:17:57,430 Well that's what I'm trying to say. 428 00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:58,430 There's no program. 429 00:17:58,430 --> 00:17:59,430 In place. 430 00:17:59,430 --> 00:18:00,430 It's easy to say. 431 00:18:00,430 --> 00:18:01,430 Let's get some money. 432 00:18:01,430 --> 00:18:02,430 But there's no. 433 00:18:02,430 --> 00:18:03,430 You can't just go up. 434 00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:04,430 And extort someone. 435 00:18:04,430 --> 00:18:05,430 And say. 436 00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:06,430 Hey. 437 00:18:06,430 --> 00:18:07,430 We want you. 438 00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:08,430 Give us money. 439 00:18:08,430 --> 00:18:09,430 Before you bring. 440 00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:10,430 Your trucks up there. 441 00:18:10,430 --> 00:18:12,039 I mean. 442 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:13,039 When. 443 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:14,039 On the class four row. 444 00:18:14,039 --> 00:18:15,039 The Velco. 445 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:16,039 Did put some money. 446 00:18:16,039 --> 00:18:17,039 In there. 447 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:18,039 But it was further. 448 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:19,039 Because they decided. 449 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:20,039 That the row. 450 00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:21,420 Wasn't good enough. 451 00:18:21,420 --> 00:18:22,420 For their travel. 452 00:18:22,420 --> 00:18:23,420 Right. 453 00:18:23,420 --> 00:18:24,970 And wanted to. 454 00:18:24,970 --> 00:18:25,970 Make it better. 455 00:18:25,970 --> 00:18:26,970 Which. 456 00:18:26,970 --> 00:18:27,970 Great. 457 00:18:27,970 --> 00:18:28,970 I mean. 458 00:18:28,970 --> 00:18:29,970 I'm certainly. 459 00:18:29,970 --> 00:18:30,970 Not. 460 00:18:30,970 --> 00:18:31,970 Going to do them. 461 00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:32,970 Any favors. 462 00:18:32,970 --> 00:18:33,970 At this point. 463 00:18:33,970 --> 00:18:34,970 Most rows. 464 00:18:34,970 --> 00:18:35,970 In town. 465 00:18:35,970 --> 00:18:36,970 Right now. 466 00:18:36,970 --> 00:18:37,970 They're getting washed. 467 00:18:37,970 --> 00:18:38,970 For it. 468 00:18:38,970 --> 00:18:39,970 Because we've had. 469 00:18:39,970 --> 00:18:40,970 Leaks. 470 00:18:40,970 --> 00:18:41,970 And no rain. 471 00:18:41,970 --> 00:18:42,970 And. 472 00:18:42,970 --> 00:18:43,970 What it does. 473 00:18:43,970 --> 00:18:44,970 Does concern me. 474 00:18:44,970 --> 00:18:45,970 Is. 475 00:18:45,970 --> 00:18:46,970 They did come here. 476 00:18:46,970 --> 00:18:47,970 And they did say. 477 00:18:47,970 --> 00:18:48,970 We will be doing it. 478 00:18:48,970 --> 00:18:49,970 But not yet. 479 00:18:49,970 --> 00:18:50,970 And now. 480 00:18:50,970 --> 00:18:51,970 They're doing it. 481 00:18:51,970 --> 00:18:52,970 And I was. 482 00:18:52,970 --> 00:18:53,970 Under the assumption. 483 00:18:53,970 --> 00:18:54,970 Or. 484 00:18:54,970 --> 00:18:55,970 Not an assumption. 485 00:18:55,970 --> 00:18:56,970 I heard them say. 486 00:18:56,970 --> 00:18:57,970 When we start. 487 00:18:57,970 --> 00:18:58,970 We'll notify you. 488 00:18:58,970 --> 00:18:59,970 It was a delay. 489 00:18:59,970 --> 00:19:00,970 For some reason. 490 00:19:00,970 --> 00:19:01,970 Yeah. 491 00:19:01,970 --> 00:19:02,970 We delayed it. 492 00:19:02,970 --> 00:19:03,970 So we could. 493 00:19:03,970 --> 00:19:04,970 Upgrade our road. 494 00:19:04,970 --> 00:19:05,970 When you're done. 495 00:19:05,970 --> 00:19:06,970 Was this. 496 00:19:06,970 --> 00:19:07,970 National force. 497 00:19:07,970 --> 00:19:08,970 That said that. 498 00:19:08,970 --> 00:19:09,970 Yeah. 499 00:19:09,970 --> 00:19:10,970 I was going to say. 500 00:19:10,970 --> 00:19:11,970 I think there's two different things. 501 00:19:11,970 --> 00:19:12,970 Going on here. 502 00:19:12,970 --> 00:19:13,970 Instead of asking for funding. 503 00:19:13,970 --> 00:19:14,970 There's a lot. 504 00:19:14,970 --> 00:19:15,970 I think. 505 00:19:15,970 --> 00:19:16,970 We're going to notify. 506 00:19:16,970 --> 00:19:17,970 But this is a totally separate. 507 00:19:17,970 --> 00:19:18,970 And this is all private. 508 00:19:18,970 --> 00:19:19,970 But it wasn't national. 509 00:19:19,970 --> 00:19:20,970 This is the. 510 00:19:20,970 --> 00:19:21,970 This is the high line. 511 00:19:21,970 --> 00:19:22,970 The power line. 512 00:19:22,970 --> 00:19:23,970 Oh. 513 00:19:23,970 --> 00:19:24,970 Okay. 514 00:19:24,970 --> 00:19:25,970 I thought it was the. 515 00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:27,099 I don't think we were ever notified. 516 00:19:27,099 --> 00:19:28,099 By. 517 00:19:28,099 --> 00:19:29,099 The national grid. 518 00:19:29,099 --> 00:19:30,099 I don't know. 519 00:19:30,099 --> 00:19:31,099 Yeah. 520 00:19:31,099 --> 00:19:32,099 I talked to them. 521 00:19:32,099 --> 00:19:33,099 They were. 522 00:19:33,099 --> 00:19:34,099 With the contractor. 523 00:19:34,099 --> 00:19:35,099 That they. 524 00:19:35,099 --> 00:19:36,099 Okay. 525 00:19:36,099 --> 00:19:37,099 Yeah. 526 00:19:37,099 --> 00:19:38,099 You know. 527 00:19:38,099 --> 00:19:39,099 By the upper bridge. 528 00:19:39,099 --> 00:19:40,099 Straight in. 529 00:19:40,099 --> 00:19:41,099 The stream. 530 00:19:41,099 --> 00:19:42,099 Yeah. 531 00:19:42,099 --> 00:19:43,099 They were in there. 532 00:19:43,099 --> 00:19:44,099 So when they do. 533 00:19:44,099 --> 00:19:45,099 Give us their. 534 00:19:45,099 --> 00:19:46,099 They ask for a permit. 535 00:19:46,099 --> 00:19:47,099 They give us their insurance. 536 00:19:47,099 --> 00:19:48,099 And I mean. 537 00:19:48,099 --> 00:19:49,099 Like you said. 538 00:19:49,099 --> 00:19:50,099 If there's a problem. 539 00:19:50,099 --> 00:19:51,099 That there's. 540 00:19:51,099 --> 00:19:52,609 Excessive damage. 541 00:19:52,609 --> 00:19:53,609 Then we could. 542 00:19:53,609 --> 00:19:54,609 We could go after. 543 00:19:54,609 --> 00:19:55,609 Dave. 544 00:19:55,609 --> 00:19:56,609 Start. 545 00:19:56,609 --> 00:19:57,609 Can you start taking pictures. 546 00:19:57,609 --> 00:19:59,089 Now. 547 00:19:59,089 --> 00:20:00,089 Just to have. 548 00:20:00,089 --> 00:20:01,089 The road. 549 00:20:01,089 --> 00:20:02,089 Now. 550 00:20:02,089 --> 00:20:03,089 Just to have them. 551 00:20:03,089 --> 00:20:04,089 On file. 552 00:20:04,089 --> 00:20:05,089 I mean. 553 00:20:05,089 --> 00:20:06,089 I could take pictures. 554 00:20:06,089 --> 00:20:07,089 But. 555 00:20:07,089 --> 00:20:08,089 Yeah. 556 00:20:08,089 --> 00:20:09,089 Who did it. 557 00:20:09,089 --> 00:20:10,089 I mean. 558 00:20:10,089 --> 00:20:11,089 Yeah. 559 00:20:11,089 --> 00:20:12,089 Who did it. 560 00:20:12,089 --> 00:20:13,089 Yeah. 561 00:20:13,089 --> 00:20:14,089 That's right. 562 00:20:14,089 --> 00:20:15,089 Who did it. 563 00:20:15,089 --> 00:20:16,089 A lot of the washboarding. 564 00:20:16,089 --> 00:20:17,089 Is from spinning. 565 00:20:17,089 --> 00:20:18,089 The tires. 566 00:20:18,089 --> 00:20:19,539 Is. 567 00:20:19,539 --> 00:20:20,539 Right. 568 00:20:20,539 --> 00:20:21,539 It's like hopping. 569 00:20:21,539 --> 00:20:22,539 And spinning. 570 00:20:22,539 --> 00:20:23,539 Pickups. 571 00:20:23,539 --> 00:20:24,539 Pickup truck. 572 00:20:24,539 --> 00:20:25,539 Yeah. 573 00:20:25,539 --> 00:20:26,539 Speed is an influence on that. 574 00:20:26,539 --> 00:20:27,539 Yeah. 575 00:20:27,539 --> 00:20:28,539 I mean. 576 00:20:28,539 --> 00:20:29,539 Once again. 577 00:20:29,539 --> 00:20:30,539 The conversation. 578 00:20:30,539 --> 00:20:31,539 The roads. 579 00:20:31,539 --> 00:20:32,539 Just in general. 580 00:20:32,539 --> 00:20:33,539 Could. 581 00:20:33,539 --> 00:20:34,539 I mean. 582 00:20:34,539 --> 00:20:35,539 There's no traffic on it. 583 00:20:35,539 --> 00:20:36,980 What you got to remember is. 584 00:20:36,980 --> 00:20:37,980 At some point. 585 00:20:37,980 --> 00:20:38,980 There isn't going to be a gravel pit in town. 586 00:20:38,980 --> 00:20:39,980 Right. 587 00:20:39,980 --> 00:20:40,980 You're going to end up with more traffic on that road. 588 00:20:40,980 --> 00:20:42,559 It's already. 589 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:43,559 We really can't keep it nice all the time. 590 00:20:43,559 --> 00:20:44,559 I would say. 591 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:45,779 It's. 592 00:20:45,779 --> 00:20:46,779 Neeson. 593 00:20:46,779 --> 00:20:47,779 But. 594 00:20:47,779 --> 00:20:48,779 Depending on the weather. 595 00:20:48,779 --> 00:20:49,779 I can't always. 596 00:20:49,779 --> 00:20:50,779 Make it better. 597 00:20:50,779 --> 00:20:51,779 Like. 598 00:20:51,779 --> 00:20:52,779 It would be worse. 599 00:20:52,779 --> 00:20:53,779 If I try to do something. 600 00:20:53,779 --> 00:20:54,779 Around. 601 00:20:54,779 --> 00:20:55,779 Mug season. 602 00:20:55,779 --> 00:20:56,779 I mean. 603 00:20:56,779 --> 00:20:59,190 The spring time. 604 00:20:59,190 --> 00:21:00,190 If you. 605 00:21:00,190 --> 00:21:01,190 You start building more houses. 606 00:21:01,190 --> 00:21:02,190 Up there. 607 00:21:02,190 --> 00:21:03,190 It's just. 608 00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:04,190 As time goes on. 609 00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:05,190 You know. 610 00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:06,190 As time goes on. 611 00:21:06,190 --> 00:21:07,480 We really need to start thinking about. 612 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,480 Because everything's changing. 613 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,480 The work required to do. 614 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:10,480 So now. 615 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,609 The maintenance is more. 616 00:21:11,609 --> 00:21:12,609 You know. 617 00:21:12,609 --> 00:21:13,609 The stone line. 618 00:21:13,609 --> 00:21:15,819 Like. 619 00:21:15,819 --> 00:21:16,819 I clean the ditches out. 620 00:21:16,819 --> 00:21:17,819 Every couple years. 621 00:21:17,819 --> 00:21:18,819 Now. 622 00:21:18,819 --> 00:21:19,819 Because. 623 00:21:19,819 --> 00:21:20,819 You can't get them as deep. 624 00:21:20,819 --> 00:21:21,819 Because they need to be stone lined. 625 00:21:21,819 --> 00:21:22,819 In the bottom. 626 00:21:22,819 --> 00:21:23,819 The gravel. 627 00:21:23,819 --> 00:21:24,819 You know. 628 00:21:24,819 --> 00:21:25,819 The way the winters are. 629 00:21:25,819 --> 00:21:26,819 Have been. 630 00:21:26,819 --> 00:21:27,819 I mean. 631 00:21:27,819 --> 00:21:28,950 A little conversation. 632 00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:29,950 All rain. 633 00:21:29,950 --> 00:21:30,950 Or. 634 00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:31,950 All dust. 635 00:21:31,950 --> 00:21:32,950 Or. 636 00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:33,950 You know. 637 00:21:33,950 --> 00:21:34,950 It's. 638 00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:35,950 It's. 639 00:21:35,950 --> 00:21:36,950 It's. 640 00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:37,950 It's. 641 00:21:37,950 --> 00:21:38,950 It's not a big deal. 642 00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:39,950 Our whole conversation. 643 00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:40,950 When it comes to. 644 00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:41,950 The town plan. 645 00:21:41,950 --> 00:21:42,950 Always revolves around. 646 00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:43,950 Superficial stuff. 647 00:21:43,950 --> 00:21:44,950 Or. 648 00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:45,950 Nonsense. 649 00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:46,950 Right. 650 00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:47,950 We never get into the. 651 00:21:47,950 --> 00:21:48,950 Hard core crux of. 652 00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:49,950 What it is that we're planning for. 653 00:21:49,950 --> 00:21:50,950 In the future. 654 00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:51,950 You don't have a total. 655 00:21:51,950 --> 00:21:52,950 Like roads. 656 00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:53,950 Take like. 657 00:21:53,950 --> 00:21:54,950 A 30 second conversation. 658 00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:55,950 Like. 659 00:21:55,950 --> 00:21:56,950 Oh yeah. 660 00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:57,950 We got roads. 661 00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:58,950 Yeah. 662 00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:59,950 We never really get into. 663 00:21:59,950 --> 00:22:00,950 What. 664 00:22:00,950 --> 00:22:01,950 How we land out the plan. 665 00:22:01,950 --> 00:22:02,950 The problem is. 666 00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:03,950 Where's the funds going to come from. 667 00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:04,950 You look at these programs. 668 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:05,950 And these. 669 00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:06,950 They're always. 670 00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:12,710 to match that we can't even afford to match a million dollars a mile we wouldn't be able to 671 00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:18,650 afford a 20 match next we have townspeople complaining about there's taxes going up now 672 00:22:18,650 --> 00:22:24,490 that's going to raise taxes you can look at it but i don't see where the money's going to come 673 00:22:24,490 --> 00:22:32,160 here's here's part of the thing we talked about hiring more people right well take some of the 674 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:37,420 maintenance away and i don't need more people so your average employee is going to cost you 100 675 00:22:37,420 --> 00:22:44,480 grand a year right your million bucks is in 10 years at least 15 or 20 on that road we have to 676 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:50,579 start looking for so so there's your money right there to at least do that million i'm saying right 677 00:22:50,579 --> 00:22:59,539 yeah yeah nine nine-ish years i'm probably out of the picture anyway if i make a deal well 678 00:22:59,539 --> 00:23:02,579 right so then 679 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:16,279 you know i always wonder if problems if you know people have talked about mill road over and over 680 00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:23,759 about finding a different access if you put a blacktop road up there but you have a banking 681 00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:29,640 that's gonna you know slide someday you know that's coming is it worth putting the money into 682 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,079 the the road or find an alternative 683 00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:32,619 you 684 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,200 just and i wouldn't know i'm not an engineer i wouldn't even come close to knowing what you're 685 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:42,559 about to clean up the slides up the 90s we're not the slides the cheapest i mean we need higher 686 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:48,400 ground you know just to try to widen out the rest of county road and klondike is going to cost you 687 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:56,759 more than a paving you know if you try to follow the code and standard right laura laura's got a 688 00:23:56,759 --> 00:24:02,359 question is there any cost analysis um each road how much 689 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,920 you put in each road so you can figure out how much you would actually want to try to budget for 690 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:13,079 piece by piece per year i mean how do you know a lot of the a lot of that is dependent on how 691 00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:17,240 how much are we going to develop and where are we going to develop right which roads are we what type 692 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:24,200 of weather we had that particular year we need to have a humongous conversation as a town of you know 693 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,279 what is it that we're doing and what is it that we want to do we write this town plan five people 694 00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:32,519 read it it gets thrown in the door and then we write another one in eight years yeah i mean they'd 695 00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:37,799 need to be bigger conversations to where we're going as a town oh we want to develop or not 696 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:45,480 develop this town and where's the money well we said we just bought a new truck and we bought a 697 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:53,000 used loader and we had all we could do to pull a trigger on those things then we bought a fire 698 00:24:53,000 --> 00:25:01,990 truck and we had all we could do to pull a trigger on that these are numbers so these are just to keep 699 00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:08,549 we're not getting any better we're just keeping up you know we have to have that new fire truck 700 00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:12,309 because the old fire truck eventually he's not going to be there anymore or that new loader was 701 00:25:12,309 --> 00:25:17,589 it wasn't even a new loader it was a huge new loader because we had a 30 year old loader that 702 00:25:17,589 --> 00:25:24,710 dave couldn't even fix anymore and and so on so we can look at a budget we can look at budgeting for 703 00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:30,390 certain just like we budgeted for that five hundred thousand dollars worth different than 704 00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:32,470 ten million is a you know a lot of money that's going to be spent on that and we're going to have 705 00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:32,529 a lot of money that's going to be spent on that and we're going to have a lot of money that's going to 706 00:25:32,529 --> 00:25:37,410 be spent on that and we're going to have a lot of money i'm just saying we we could look at it i 707 00:25:37,410 --> 00:25:41,890 think the only way we could do it is a state grant or a federal grant we would have to have some money 708 00:25:41,890 --> 00:25:47,329 coming in is there program you know are there programs coming in there right now i don't see 709 00:25:47,329 --> 00:25:52,960 you have a grant right now for east road that's a 200 000 on our grant which is a max grant and 710 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:58,720 those are on that class two roads so the roads we're talking about are class three they don't 711 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,480 offer paying grants for those they just finally are starting to 712 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:08,319 pay for some gravel through the clean water act now on the other hand is is every year it's going 713 00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:13,119 to go up so if we don't do it today like kurt's saying every eight years you throw it in the door 714 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,559 if we don't do it today we don't do something this year then 10 years from now it's not going 715 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:23,279 to be cheaper that's for sure i mean i think vermont's going to be hit really hard one of 716 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:28,960 the hardest hit states when it comes to as far as development and access and roads i mean you're 717 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,480 dealing with a very rural state right that's been dirt roaded for a long time i think it's going to be 718 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,319 hard for a lot of people to move into right now so i think i think it's going to be a really hard 719 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:40,000 time that's the third most desirable state in the whole country to move into right now 720 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,880 so i mean this is a huge conversation where is all this money going to come from 721 00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:49,039 for vermont to turn into something different than what it already is right now 722 00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:54,210 and our only source of income is taxation that's your property tax 723 00:26:54,210 --> 00:27:00,609 so okay it's difficult and then you know we chose to live in a rural area there's certain consequences 724 00:27:00,609 --> 00:27:02,450 i guess that come with living in the rural area 725 00:27:02,769 --> 00:27:07,009 in that rural area right and the more and more people that come in from urban areas you know 726 00:27:07,009 --> 00:27:11,329 the more and more people that move up the county road the more and more they're gonna come down 727 00:27:11,329 --> 00:27:15,250 here and clamor and that they want the road paved you know because the road's paved where i come from 728 00:27:15,809 --> 00:27:22,609 right all right all these other things didn't we have bill and jim didn't we have years ago 729 00:27:22,609 --> 00:27:30,609 an article about paving the shore road and that got shot down at town meeting yeah before that we 730 00:27:30,609 --> 00:27:33,170 had a bond 731 00:27:33,250 --> 00:27:39,809 issue that goes back a while maybe over 20 years and there was a 200 000 bond issue 732 00:27:40,369 --> 00:27:51,339 to pave several roads in town and nobody wanted to spend money but it's still not an unreasonable 733 00:27:52,140 --> 00:27:57,259 you know at that time it was grant money supporting some of that it's still not an 734 00:27:57,259 --> 00:28:02,859 unreasonable thing to bring up but i think it's got to be presented properly at the meeting you 735 00:28:04,299 --> 00:28:07,819 hey everybody's going to chip another thousand fifteen hundred dollars a year 736 00:28:08,380 --> 00:28:13,730 in taxes how much the percentage of this town lives on route eight 737 00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:20,299 what's the percentage that's going to vote no on that right off the bat right because they 738 00:28:20,299 --> 00:28:24,140 live more about it like forget it high roads 739 00:28:27,579 --> 00:28:32,460 that's the nature of the environment that we live in now nothing's done anymore for the benefit of 740 00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:36,299 the community right everyone thinks very individual but they want their own 741 00:28:36,940 --> 00:28:44,210 here yeah i would like to just get back to my original comment i really think it's up to the 742 00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:51,650 board to contact whoever is doing this to find out what the remediation is going to be and so right 743 00:28:51,650 --> 00:28:56,369 away when you said it was a national thing but then you said it was a national national grid 744 00:28:58,369 --> 00:29:05,809 it's a united states program to upgrade the infrastructure of all the power lines so yes it's 745 00:29:05,809 --> 00:29:14,210 mandated by the state or the the it's nationally mandated so this has to be done they have to have 746 00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:22,420 funds in there for remediation of roads there has to be it's but we don't know and the fact that 747 00:29:22,420 --> 00:29:29,140 they've just taken over the road literally if you've got a truck coming at you especially 748 00:29:29,140 --> 00:29:35,700 where tetro is what are you going to do and there's no warning we haven't been notified 749 00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:44,740 that's what i'm saying i i'm i'm blown away that this isn't a bigger deal than what i'm not just 750 00:29:44,740 --> 00:29:50,740 complaining about the condition of the road this is a safety thing yes and with all these trucks 751 00:29:50,740 --> 00:29:59,700 going up and down adding 88 80 tons some of these trucks i mean there was a big 752 00:30:00,670 --> 00:30:06,509 forwarder going up there the other day i couldn't believe it you can't get around these things and 753 00:30:06,509 --> 00:30:12,109 there's no signage nothing they just take over our roads we have the ability to shut down that road 754 00:30:12,910 --> 00:30:20,609 until they can come to us and say listen this is the plan guys wonder if they just decided 755 00:30:20,609 --> 00:30:27,259 to do this on east road and all of a sudden you couldn't get you couldn't get by east road would 756 00:30:27,259 --> 00:30:30,619 you guys would be complaining and if you knew nothing about it this is a big 757 00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:39,069 deal we have one way in one way out that's it right i really think this needs to take 758 00:30:39,069 --> 00:30:44,910 some sort of priority i'm happy to do it but i'm not a town representative so 759 00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:52,589 dave what were you going to say oh no i don't i don't just uh it'd be great if they leave 760 00:30:53,470 --> 00:30:59,470 that know they you know but what's your recourse when they say no go further you know they could at least have 761 00:31:01,099 --> 00:31:01,759 cars in front there there he goes over all of theAB 762 00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:10,319 drop of lights going on all day long all day i mean some of them you know sections of the road 763 00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:14,559 you're you're going to have to stop when they're coming off the bell it'd be nice to get some kind 764 00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:19,119 of one you get them to require a flag not everybody's taking it easy coming down there 765 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:29,200 either so no they're not the i saw the one of the rigs trucks go by old county road just 766 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:36,599 fishtailed all the way around the all the way from the bridge down i don't know have they 767 00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:44,400 started so is there is there a contact person did they give us that's i agree with you 768 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:52,900 you know i agree that we should have known that this is the first i heard that they're up there 769 00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:59,119 i knew that i heard about the national forest doing the logging right but not the but not the 770 00:31:59,119 --> 00:31:59,359 high 771 00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:06,240 well two years ago i i think i came to the board and i said listen this is this is coming because 772 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:12,960 they got lost now which road are they going up stanford pond road they're going up um 264 yeah 773 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:20,039 and and they're also going up i guess through maltese they're okay working in phases and i 774 00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:27,980 think pole 129 through 120 right now so they go over to maltese oh and they have a 45 foot bridge 775 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:29,259 going over rolling ground 776 00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:36,759 right now and the roaring road where you're up yeah you times the forest service yeah if you keep going 777 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:43,349 and i don't know laura you may want to bring this up with the atv years but the traffic has been 778 00:32:43,910 --> 00:32:51,829 unbearable going up there right now yep every day 264 yep behind our seeking house 779 00:32:51,829 --> 00:32:59,170 so I mean if they have a contact person you can reach out to them say you know 780 00:32:59,170 --> 00:33:03,990 we've had some complaints and we need to see you at our next meeting and no 781 00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:08,529 longer you know you couldn't if we have the ability to tell them no don't do 782 00:33:08,529 --> 00:33:13,349 work until then and ask them you know do you have flagging what do you have a 783 00:33:13,349 --> 00:33:24,549 place for safety is there any provisions for road repairs I mean I don't know 784 00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:29,829 what you say when I when I said because I am I'm very very ignorant of the fact 785 00:33:29,829 --> 00:33:35,769 that this is happening if you if we say and they say go to hell who's the person 786 00:33:35,769 --> 00:33:42,069 we go to next well that's what I'd like to know you know if somebody tells you 787 00:33:42,069 --> 00:33:47,869 to go to hell for that for that they might say those words yeah you wouldn't 788 00:33:47,869 --> 00:33:51,849 have to let me know if they say that to me I mean don't worry about it okay all 789 00:33:51,849 --> 00:33:54,029 right we can look into this and see what 790 00:33:54,029 --> 00:33:54,529 Thank you 791 00:33:54,529 --> 00:34:03,359 can happen anything else with visitors regular minutes of August 15th and I 792 00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:09,929 have a motion to accept them as written motion second all in favor 793 00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:17,039 road conditions Dave 794 00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:22,710 The tree works been completed from the storm that we had earlier in the summer 795 00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:24,710 They finished up last week 796 00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:25,210 On East Road? 797 00:34:25,210 --> 00:34:25,710 Yeah 798 00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:28,230 You know I got asked did they cut the trees down on top of them? 799 00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:35,329 No they're supposed to get back and have them priced but they're so busy that you know he hasn't done that but I'll follow up with them 800 00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:35,829 Okay 801 00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:39,829 Once I get their bill to make sure everything's good there 802 00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:41,210 How many days it taking? 803 00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:45,110 Um it's hard to say because they didn't put full days in 804 00:34:45,110 --> 00:34:45,710 Okay Ben 805 00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:53,739 They used it as a filler so maybe two whole days you know maybe 16 hours it took them total I'm thinking 806 00:34:53,739 --> 00:34:58,199 It's hard to say because they wasn't right there when they showed up and they wasn't right there when they left 807 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:09,449 But um our Freightliner, one of our Freightliners is still in Westminster getting some transmission work done to it 808 00:35:09,449 --> 00:35:12,059 So I'm down that truck 809 00:35:12,059 --> 00:35:15,559 Um we've been working on ditching all along Midland County 810 00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:21,420 I don't know if you've been up there but the whole entire road we've ditched in the last couple weeks 811 00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:24,769 We've been steady at that 812 00:35:24,769 --> 00:35:31,769 Um yeah things are getting bumpy but it's been at least three or four weeks of not really much for real 813 00:35:31,769 --> 00:35:35,769 I haven't been up there in a week but last time I was up there I didn't think it was that bad 814 00:35:35,769 --> 00:35:37,769 I mean I'd seen a lot worse 815 00:35:37,769 --> 00:35:41,769 It's definitely getting, well you know the normal spots get bumpy but as summer goes on 816 00:35:41,769 --> 00:35:49,769 There's a length cycle to the entire road in a way cause then I'll regrade the entire road here before winter hits 817 00:35:49,769 --> 00:35:51,769 Yeah I mean it is dry 818 00:35:51,769 --> 00:35:53,769 Yeah it's been dry and there's not much 819 00:35:53,769 --> 00:35:55,769 Loose gravel all over the place 820 00:35:55,769 --> 00:36:00,769 Yeah it'll be, if I loosen it up now it'll never patch and you'll have a million loose stones 821 00:36:00,769 --> 00:36:01,269 Yeah 822 00:36:01,269 --> 00:36:05,269 It'll be twice as bad in a day or two so there's no sense in messing with it 823 00:36:05,269 --> 00:36:10,619 Um but I assure you as soon as we get the right weather we'll be out grading it 824 00:36:10,619 --> 00:36:14,619 By far that's your worst dirt road in town right? I mean because of the traffic 825 00:36:14,619 --> 00:36:17,619 Well I would say LaSure Hill is equally as bad 826 00:36:17,619 --> 00:36:18,619 Yeah 827 00:36:18,619 --> 00:36:26,420 You know you got Jepson, LaSure and Mill Road, County Road are you know constantly grading 828 00:36:26,420 --> 00:36:29,420 They're always on my mind, they're always on the list 829 00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:31,420 The thing with Mill Road and County is people 830 00:36:31,420 --> 00:36:34,420 From out of state go through there all the time 831 00:36:34,420 --> 00:36:41,420 Yeah in the summer time it's extremely busy people drive like it's you know the main highway 832 00:36:41,420 --> 00:36:43,420 It's a fun ride 833 00:36:43,420 --> 00:36:50,420 You know what you're saying the four wheelers they're not on the main road you're saying they're up by your house 834 00:36:50,420 --> 00:36:55,420 They must be going by your place so they come kind of from the county and then they go up 835 00:36:55,420 --> 00:37:00,420 But not a lot though right? I mean I haven't seen a lot and the wardens are up there constantly 836 00:37:00,420 --> 00:37:02,420 Much better than it was 837 00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:04,420 I mean constantly they're up there 838 00:37:04,420 --> 00:37:07,420 Well it's every day they're behind our house every day 839 00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:08,420 Is the power company ATVs? 840 00:37:08,420 --> 00:37:09,420 Every day 841 00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:10,420 Is it on your land? 842 00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:13,420 No no it's the forest service road 843 00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:17,420 Is the power company on ATVs because they have them all the time 844 00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:22,420 They don't I did ask them and they are not the perpetrators 845 00:37:22,420 --> 00:37:31,059 Well I also do know that you can't get from Woodford over to Reef Road because the forest service took out them 846 00:37:31,059 --> 00:37:33,059 U.S. 73 847 00:37:33,059 --> 00:37:35,059 Yeah that's going to be helpful 848 00:37:35,059 --> 00:37:36,059 Yeah 849 00:37:36,059 --> 00:37:41,059 I mean if I can't the roads have gone way down 850 00:37:41,059 --> 00:37:43,059 I mean ATVs you don't see them on the road 851 00:37:43,059 --> 00:37:44,059 I can't get from 852 00:37:44,059 --> 00:37:50,380 Nobody wants to register to go through all that stuff you know there's nowhere to ride so why do it? 853 00:37:50,380 --> 00:37:54,380 Some of these road issues aren't just a summer thing though 854 00:37:54,380 --> 00:38:00,239 Middle Road, LaSure Hill, Jepson Hill are winter issues too 855 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,239 I mean on a paved road it's a lot 856 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:09,239 Easier especially after the storms over you know you've got a summertime road more or less nowadays on a paved road where 857 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:16,719 On these gravel roads I would say I can't get enough sand they are sanded every single day 858 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:22,719 On bright sunny days sometimes it's the worst because the sand drops through the ice pack and you know 859 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:28,719 You're not even thinking about it you're going down the road and people go off the road on a perfectly nice day you know 860 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,719 Yeah 861 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,719 So like I said it's 862 00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:39,820 When you're the one dealing with it constantly with our small workforce of Michael and myself you can see where 863 00:38:39,820 --> 00:38:46,820 Yeah if you had a bunch of money it would solve all our problems but we need to start thinking ahead because like I said at some point 864 00:38:46,820 --> 00:38:48,820 You're not going to be able to get material local 865 00:38:48,820 --> 00:38:49,820 Yeah 866 00:38:49,820 --> 00:39:01,170 So now the cost is going to just be ridiculous the amount of scheduling like it's just going to be a huge burden at some point to have these gravel roads 867 00:39:01,170 --> 00:39:02,170 At least some of these hills 868 00:39:02,170 --> 00:39:08,170 Could like you do a you have on Jepson you have some black diamond in terms of dirt is it 869 00:39:08,170 --> 00:39:16,269 Would it make any sense at all to say okay we're going to look at what it costs to go I don't know say from the town garage to Tager Road 870 00:39:16,269 --> 00:39:20,460 And say okay we do that first part stop 871 00:39:20,460 --> 00:39:21,460 I would say 872 00:39:21,460 --> 00:39:23,460 Or is it better just to go all the way 873 00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:31,460 The efficiency in winter is going to be extremely affected by that if you're going to pave that you need to at least go where Steve Mullis is 874 00:39:31,460 --> 00:39:33,460 Where it flattens off 875 00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:40,460 Or because yeah because the school bus goes to Maltese you may want to bite the bullet and just go that way 876 00:39:40,460 --> 00:39:44,460 Anything the school bus is traveling on should be paid 877 00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:45,460 Yeah 878 00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:46,460 So Jepson Road 879 00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:50,460 So that's three miles or two it's like three miles isn't it 880 00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:51,460 To Maltese 881 00:39:51,460 --> 00:39:53,460 Yeah I think it's three total 882 00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:56,460 It's two and a half miles to my house 883 00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:59,460 Okay so that's almost three miles 884 00:39:59,460 --> 00:40:00,460 Call it three in there 885 00:40:00,460 --> 00:40:01,460 Yeah 886 00:40:01,460 --> 00:40:10,460 Jepson Road ultimately would be nice to pave we could put in for grants but like I said their own max is a $200,000 grant at this point 887 00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:17,460 And we just got one we're not going to get one another you know I think the last one we got was probably eight ten years ago 888 00:40:17,460 --> 00:40:24,559 It's not the expectation of somebody else paying for this type of stuff is not fair 889 00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:31,559 So let's just say we had to pay for it who we what kind of companies do you call in and that's it's not a black pack guy 890 00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:37,559 Well all state asphalt so big companies they put it down cheaper than I can go buy it from them typically 891 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:46,559 It's still going to be a huge amount of money but you would take out you'd have to ask the town to be able to take out you know a loan for say 20 years or something 892 00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:47,559 Right 893 00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:53,559 So we're not yeah it's a huge number but you're probably you know paying for $100,000 out of the year 894 00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:54,559 Sure 895 00:40:54,559 --> 00:41:01,360 I mean school money goes up that much every year anyway well I mean the sticker shock is what's scary 896 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,389 Sure 897 00:41:02,389 --> 00:41:10,389 You know but the quality of life is going to be better you know when you have a turnover of employees you're going to have a smoother transition 898 00:41:10,389 --> 00:41:13,389 So why don't it doesn't cost anything for a quote 899 00:41:13,389 --> 00:41:14,389 Right 900 00:41:14,389 --> 00:41:20,389 Right so and I'm not saying it's good I understand what quotes are and estimates and all that crap 901 00:41:20,389 --> 00:41:27,389 And I know that it's not going to happen this year and it might happen five years from now but if we get a quote or give us some idea 902 00:41:27,389 --> 00:41:31,389 If we're all talking about a million dollars but it ends up being two million dollars 903 00:41:31,389 --> 00:41:48,389 A thousand miles or ten million I mean I don't know maybe we should reach out to one of these companies and say hey what would it cost to go from this point to this point this is the road you got to widen it you got to brook I mean that's a bad road it's not an easy road to do 904 00:41:48,389 --> 00:41:52,389 Who would do all the prep you would have an outside company do all this 905 00:41:52,389 --> 00:42:00,389 Yes we were just great at it I mean the thing is you're never going to you're never going to get it to that perfect stage where you should have it paid 906 00:42:00,389 --> 00:42:07,389 I mean none of our roads none of our paved roads were perfect roads they weren't brought up to the point where you would really want it 907 00:42:07,389 --> 00:42:10,389 It's the northeast you're never going to get it crooked anyway the road moves 908 00:42:10,389 --> 00:42:11,389 Right 909 00:42:11,389 --> 00:42:16,389 But it's going to be way better than maintaining the dirt road I can tell you in the spring you're just going to 910 00:42:16,389 --> 00:42:19,389 Now when you maintain east road you put that chip 911 00:42:19,389 --> 00:42:20,389 The chip seal 912 00:42:20,389 --> 00:42:22,389 Do you do the same thing on 913 00:42:22,389 --> 00:42:23,389 All roads 914 00:42:23,389 --> 00:42:25,389 Jepson road all the up by bill 915 00:42:25,389 --> 00:42:27,389 Once they're paved you can do that 916 00:42:27,389 --> 00:42:29,389 So that's a lot more of a 917 00:42:29,389 --> 00:42:30,389 Yeah 918 00:42:30,389 --> 00:42:31,389 More efficient than 919 00:42:31,389 --> 00:42:39,389 Yeah and so they can also so the base layer could be what they call cold mixes which are a lot cheaper than hot mix 920 00:42:39,389 --> 00:42:45,389 They bring in a they did I had them do it one of the first projects we did I had them bring in cold mix or 921 00:42:45,389 --> 00:42:52,389 They called it and they set it up at the state garage up there and they made the mix 922 00:42:52,389 --> 00:42:57,389 It's not cold it's just a lot it's like 160 degrees instead of like 300 923 00:42:57,389 --> 00:42:58,389 Yeah 924 00:42:58,389 --> 00:42:59,389 So it's and then they put that down 925 00:42:59,389 --> 00:43:06,739 But that stuff moves that's why our roads hold up so good we do this chip seal and we have roads that move 926 00:43:06,739 --> 00:43:13,739 You know so yeah you see the cracking but really that's why our roads hold up a lot better if you just head south a little bit 927 00:43:13,739 --> 00:43:18,739 They're all because them roads weren't built either the roads need to be able to move in the northeast 928 00:43:18,739 --> 00:43:25,599 Well I think you should you know if you don't mind reach out to one of those companies ask for a quote 929 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:26,599 Yep 930 00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:29,599 Bring it back to us give us a start because that 931 00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:32,599 That's farther than we've done in the last ten years 932 00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:33,599 Okay 933 00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:37,599 Well why don't you ask for a hot mix quote and a cold mix quote 934 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:39,280 Well Dave 935 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,280 But yeah Dave you get me 936 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,280 I have a regular salesman idea we're all kind for all state asphalt 937 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:54,599 Yeah let's see approximately what would be the best bang for the buck and just a good just to start the conversation 938 00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:59,599 That's a lot of money to swallow like you said so just start the conversation and say 939 00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:06,599 And then like Bill said is if you know today when you get the town meeting you got some answers 940 00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:13,630 You know this one day of everybody making a decision would be a tough bill to swallow 941 00:44:13,630 --> 00:44:15,630 Bill I think 942 00:44:15,630 --> 00:44:24,199 But you know if we wait until ten days before we wouldn't be able to answer any questions 943 00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:28,199 You have to do education meetings you have to be able to 944 00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:29,199 Present it better 945 00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:30,199 Present it better 946 00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:37,519 Present it well and if in truth it turns out that the immediate things that you wanted to pay 947 00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:40,519 Say they cost two million dollars right now 948 00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:46,519 And you look at what the cost of a two million dollar bond is over twenty years 949 00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:49,519 And that may be the kind of cost you want to bring to town meeting 950 00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:55,519 Right like Dave says you tell them hey we want to spend two million dollars that shocks you 951 00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:59,519 But we're going to spend you know a hundred thousand over a certain time 952 00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:02,519 The school budget was just two million dollars in June 953 00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:03,519 Oh yeah that's a whole 954 00:45:03,519 --> 00:45:05,519 March two million dollars 955 00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:09,519 And that's that's not going away so when we say well they spend it on the school 956 00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:13,519 That's added to what we want to do it's never going to go away 957 00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:15,519 You know we talk about it all the time 958 00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:18,519 Yeah but if you're talking about a hundred thousand for twenty years 959 00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:19,519 Right 960 00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:22,619 Even if that's a hundred and twenty thousand for twenty years 961 00:45:22,619 --> 00:45:23,619 Yeah 962 00:45:23,619 --> 00:45:24,619 Whatever that common cost 963 00:45:24,619 --> 00:45:26,619 Sure yeah 964 00:45:26,619 --> 00:45:27,619 Well I think 965 00:45:27,619 --> 00:45:28,619 Yeah 966 00:45:28,619 --> 00:45:31,619 Similar to what the fire department did with the truck 967 00:45:31,619 --> 00:45:36,619 And you know Dave we've talked about this and I completely understand 968 00:45:36,619 --> 00:45:40,619 But in nine years when Dave retires 969 00:45:40,619 --> 00:45:42,619 But you're not going to be able to 970 00:45:42,619 --> 00:45:51,750 You're not going to get the younger stock in that's going to do exactly what Dave and Mike do 971 00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:56,750 I can't imagine you're going to find road crews that are going to come in 972 00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:58,750 And maintain 973 00:45:58,750 --> 00:45:59,750 Dirt roads 974 00:45:59,750 --> 00:46:03,750 You'll have much a much better chance of holding on to somebody 975 00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:10,750 Or even if there's going to be a revolving door maintaining a paved road than a dirt road 976 00:46:10,750 --> 00:46:16,000 So these this conversation needs to start now 977 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:21,000 And it may not happen for nine years but if we could start saving for it 978 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,000 Maybe in six years or seven years it could get paved 979 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,000 Meanwhile we've still got you guys 980 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,000 But we've got to think of the day when you guys are gone 981 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,000 And you've got two new people coming in with all these ideas 982 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:43,190 And they're not going to want to hang around and massage these roads 983 00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:44,190 And you don't 984 00:46:44,190 --> 00:46:51,190 We'll have to take your word of which dirt road is the best dirt road to start with 985 00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:56,320 We already started on Jepson and then it goes to dirt 986 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,320 Is it feasible to finish that one 987 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,320 Or is it better to go to Mill Road 988 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,320 Or is it better to go to Le Cher Road 989 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,320 So we have to look at that too 990 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,320 Some of that conversation goes back to what Kurt brought up 991 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,320 Where does the town want to expand 992 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,320 Where are we going to have more traffic in say ten years 993 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,320 My guess is probably everywhere 994 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,320 But that move around 995 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,510 It seems to be that 996 00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:22,510 Is the most likely place to expand 997 00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:24,510 But you know you've got Bulger, McGee 998 00:47:24,510 --> 00:47:26,510 I mean there's plenty of lots 999 00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:28,510 I think on McGee and that area 1000 00:47:28,510 --> 00:47:30,510 That could be built on too 1001 00:47:30,510 --> 00:47:33,510 I mean Mill Road is a scary circumstance really 1002 00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:34,510 As far as investing a lot of money 1003 00:47:34,510 --> 00:47:35,510 It is 1004 00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:37,510 I mean the river is right there 1005 00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:39,510 And that could happen any time 1006 00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:41,510 No guardrails 1007 00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:45,699 The whole road could be just washed away 1008 00:47:45,699 --> 00:47:47,699 Which is a big problem 1009 00:47:47,699 --> 00:47:48,699 The only other 1010 00:47:48,699 --> 00:47:52,699 I mean you're going to spend it somehow or another 1011 00:47:52,699 --> 00:47:54,699 You're going to rebuild that road 1012 00:47:54,699 --> 00:47:56,699 You're going to keep rebuilding that road 1013 00:47:56,699 --> 00:47:57,699 Mill 1014 00:47:57,699 --> 00:47:58,699 Yeah 1015 00:47:58,699 --> 00:48:00,699 I don't see it not happening 1016 00:48:00,699 --> 00:48:02,699 I mean there's no other feasible place to say 1017 00:48:02,699 --> 00:48:03,699 We're going to 1018 00:48:03,699 --> 00:48:05,119 Get up there 1019 00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:07,119 Make a better road in there 1020 00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:08,119 I mean 1021 00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:09,119 So David 1022 00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:10,119 Not this point anyway 1023 00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:12,119 If you could reach out to your contacts 1024 00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:15,119 And just give us a starting price 1025 00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,119 And suggestions what roads to start with 1026 00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:21,119 Start a conversation 1027 00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:25,179 Okay can we move on to highway garage roof quotes Dave 1028 00:48:25,179 --> 00:48:29,039 So I got a price from Stevens 1029 00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:31,039 From Vermont Roofing Company 1030 00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:33,039 And Vermont Roofing Company is a different product 1031 00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:36,039 They don't offer the same product as the Stevens 1032 00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,039 Which is what we were looking 1033 00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:41,039 It's more along the lines of what we're looking to do right now 1034 00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:43,039 As far as investment with the garage 1035 00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:45,079 I did call another company 1036 00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:47,079 And they never returned my call 1037 00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:50,079 To try to get a different quote on something similar 1038 00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:53,079 So I only have the one from the Stevens 1039 00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:58,030 So what was the one last meeting 1040 00:48:58,030 --> 00:48:59,030 Insulation 82,000 1041 00:48:59,030 --> 00:49:00,030 Who was that from 1042 00:49:00,030 --> 00:49:02,030 That was from Vermont Roofing Company 1043 00:49:02,030 --> 00:49:03,030 Okay 1044 00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:05,159 And Vermont Roofing 1045 00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:07,159 Do they do one without insulation 1046 00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:08,159 No 1047 00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:09,159 Okay 1048 00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:11,159 No they don't offer anything other than that 1049 00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:14,159 And Stevens was the one last meeting 1050 00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:16,159 No insulation 38 1051 00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:17,159 Right 1052 00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:20,949 We're just replacing what's there 1053 00:49:20,949 --> 00:49:23,619 There's no upgrade 1054 00:49:23,619 --> 00:49:26,619 But we may be able to upgrade in the future 1055 00:49:26,619 --> 00:49:27,619 Through grants 1056 00:49:27,619 --> 00:49:29,869 With Lori and I 1057 00:49:29,869 --> 00:49:31,869 We had our energy audit done 1058 00:49:31,869 --> 00:49:33,869 I still haven't seen the results of it 1059 00:49:33,869 --> 00:49:36,639 But that money's one of those 1060 00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:38,639 If there's ever money in the future 1061 00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:40,639 We have information now 1062 00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:42,639 A shovel ready type project 1063 00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:44,880 Yeah 1064 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,590 So maybe the thing to do is replace the roof 1065 00:49:48,590 --> 00:49:50,590 Without the insulation 1066 00:49:50,590 --> 00:49:53,719 Hopefully we'll get money with energy audit 1067 00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,840 At least repair the leaks that are in there now 1068 00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,840 Yeah I mean if somebody has another company 1069 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:00,840 I reached out to them 1070 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,840 Like I don't know if I want to say their name 1071 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,840 They didn't return my call 1072 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:04,840 They went to Oxy 1073 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,840 And they're a pretty reputable company 1074 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,909 Well didn't Oxy turn into Vermont Roofing 1075 00:50:09,909 --> 00:50:10,909 No 1076 00:50:10,909 --> 00:50:12,000 They're not listed there 1077 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,000 What about those other ones that do like the shingle 1078 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,000 Yeah I was just going to say 1079 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,000 I don't know if they're going to be cheaper 1080 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,000 They do a lot of shingling 1081 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,000 But I've had estimates personally from them 1082 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,000 That were four times the cost 1083 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,000 Yeah they're not cheap 1084 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,000 Yeah no 1085 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,000 So I didn't bother with them 1086 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,579 This is somebody around Woodford 1087 00:50:32,579 --> 00:50:34,579 I was trying to keep it Vermont 1088 00:50:34,579 --> 00:50:36,579 What about Vermont Home 1089 00:50:36,579 --> 00:50:39,900 Or do they just do foam insulation 1090 00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:40,900 They may not do roofing 1091 00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:41,900 This was roofing 1092 00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:43,900 Google roofing in our area 1093 00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:47,889 And I tried to find people that were close 1094 00:50:47,889 --> 00:50:48,889 I don't know this guy 1095 00:50:48,889 --> 00:50:50,889 You want to think about this 1096 00:50:50,889 --> 00:50:52,889 Or make a decision tonight 1097 00:50:52,889 --> 00:50:53,889 Or just put it out there 1098 00:50:53,889 --> 00:50:56,889 What is the frame in which you're trying to accomplish this 1099 00:50:56,889 --> 00:50:57,889 Before winter 1100 00:50:57,889 --> 00:50:58,889 Next year 1101 00:50:58,889 --> 00:51:00,119 My 1102 00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:03,119 The roof has been pretty bad 1103 00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:05,119 It's been bad for a while 1104 00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:07,119 Yeah so realistically we try to get this done 1105 00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:08,119 They say he now 1106 00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:10,119 Even roofs don't fix themselves 1107 00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:12,119 They don't 1108 00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:13,119 Alright 1109 00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:17,119 Then do we want to make a motion to go with Stevens 1110 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:19,309 Exactly 1111 00:51:19,309 --> 00:51:24,309 I'd like to make a motion to use Stevens for $38,000 to fix the roof 1112 00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:26,199 Second 1113 00:51:26,199 --> 00:51:27,199 Do we have a second 1114 00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:28,940 Second 1115 00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:29,940 Do we want to discuss this more 1116 00:51:29,940 --> 00:51:30,940 No 1117 00:51:30,940 --> 00:51:31,940 Or take a vote 1118 00:51:31,940 --> 00:51:32,940 Go with it 1119 00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:33,940 Aye 1120 00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:35,289 Go ahead Dave 1121 00:51:35,289 --> 00:51:38,289 And that is coming out of our ARPA money right 1122 00:51:38,289 --> 00:51:39,449 Perfect 1123 00:51:39,449 --> 00:51:46,760 So 1124 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:54,920 On road conditions we have declassification of .3 mile section of county road 1125 00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:03,920 I asked last time if we could wait and put the decision on the agenda 1126 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,920 So everybody knew we were talking about this 1127 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,360 I mean we did have our meeting probably a month ago 1128 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,360 And then last meeting it came up again without being on the agenda 1129 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,360 So now it's on the agenda 1130 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,360 Do we want to declassify it 1131 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,360 Keep it as a class 4 road 1132 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:20,360 What's your 1133 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,360 The old 1134 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,360 Okay 1135 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,710 Let me go back too 1136 00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:25,800 And what Mark Tina was here saying too 1137 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:26,800 And I kind of looked into it a little bit 1138 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:27,800 Where did we go 1139 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:28,800 What was our last decision 1140 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,800 Because it's back and forth back 1141 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,800 This is another one of those 1142 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:31,800 I think we're on the verge of declassifying that last meeting 1143 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:32,800 Right 1144 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:33,800 And we 1145 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:34,800 We've got a whole long list of lawyer speak 1146 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:35,800 Yeah 1147 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:36,800 So 1148 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:37,800 We're going to have to 1149 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:38,800 We're going to have to 1150 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:39,800 We're going to have to 1151 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:40,800 We're going to have to 1152 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:41,800 We're going to have to 1153 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:42,800 We're going to have to 1154 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:43,800 We're going to have to 1155 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:44,800 We're going to have to 1156 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:45,800 We're going to have to 1157 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:46,800 We're going to have to 1158 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:47,800 We're going to have to 1159 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,840 We're going to have to 1160 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,800 The just 1161 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:50,800 Let the lawyer speak 1162 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:51,800 It's very hard to 1163 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:52,800 We said at our public hearing 1164 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,760 We voted to keep it as a class 4 until we got more information 1165 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,400 And when Mark Tina was here she was saying that 1166 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,000 Well you maybe can't go on it 1167 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,400 Or maybe you can't have motorized vehicles on it 1168 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,099 Once you downgrade it to a trail 1169 00:53:07,099 --> 00:53:10,719 And then I got some more information about a town 1170 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,789 What was it 1171 00:53:13,789 --> 00:53:14,789 Tom Bridge 1172 00:53:14,789 --> 00:53:15,789 Tom bridge 1173 00:53:15,789 --> 00:53:16,030 Tom bridge 1174 00:53:16,030 --> 00:53:26,320 that there for many years they've been in a legal battle with some owners that 1175 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:35,219 the town wants to make a section into a trail that goes to that abuts these 1176 00:53:35,219 --> 00:53:40,440 owners and the owners say you can't do it because the town loses rights and 1177 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:45,820 anybody fixing up that road will be trespassing on their private property 1178 00:53:45,820 --> 00:53:49,420 but nothing has come about of that lawsuit it just went to Superior Court 1179 00:53:49,420 --> 00:53:53,039 and then got thrown back down 1180 00:54:02,949 --> 00:54:18,860 just keep going so I at my opinion is it's a class for road from rums all the 1181 00:54:18,860 --> 00:54:26,280 over to the pothole line and Dave has to do minimal maintenance of the 1182 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:33,099 class 4 road but he feels I believe in talking to him that he wants to give up 1183 00:54:33,099 --> 00:54:36,639 that point three because we don't do anything over there but I'm thinking if 1184 00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:41,739 we do something we're just doing part of the road and minimal maintenance on the 1185 00:54:41,739 --> 00:54:48,739 class 4 road. I think there's a big difference between that section of the road and the rest of the road. 1186 00:54:48,739 --> 00:54:55,239 My question would be is, we go to the pothole line, where does the pothole line end? At Risky Ranch or down farther? 1187 00:54:55,239 --> 00:55:01,059 No, right there. Right at Risky Ranch. So the point three covers it all because you once that's a trail you 1188 00:55:01,059 --> 00:55:04,659 can't get if there if there was more road you couldn't get through it 1189 00:55:04,659 --> 00:55:10,360 anyways. If you take our grader down there, I'm gonna kill you. 1190 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:11,360 You're out. 1191 00:55:11,739 --> 00:55:17,320 I mean of course not you know, but if it doesn't we're not maintaining it 1192 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:23,360 anyways that's the whole point is, we never have, we never will it's just crazy. 1193 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:30,920 Okay so Pond comes over their County Road that's a class four road all the 1194 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:41,420 way over to the Stanford line. I don't know if it is or if it isn't. It is on the map. I don't know what there's is called but maybe it's on the 1195 00:55:41,420 --> 00:55:41,460 map it is. It's class three and then... 1196 00:55:41,739 --> 00:55:49,119 it goes into class 4 1.34 miles to the Stanford line so I don't believe they 1197 00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:56,119 maintain it either but people do but two people broke up there is a camp there 1198 00:55:56,119 --> 00:56:07,079 that they can people drive their jeeps on a trail yes yes yes I believe yes you 1199 00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:18,119 believe houses on right so I just want to make sure that we the town don't lose 1200 00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:24,440 any rights if you want to take your Jeep or you want to take your motorcycle 1201 00:56:27,159 --> 00:56:32,519 saying you know you can read through the whole entire thing we're not 1202 00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:36,920 responsible for means or liability doesn't say you can't you know it right 1203 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:37,059 that they're not not that they're not taking the law of their own our man or 1204 00:56:37,059 --> 00:56:42,659 It doesn't say anything about non-wheeled vehicles, it says we have the, we can control it. 1205 00:56:42,980 --> 00:56:51,960 Right, National Forest or four-wheeler ATV people, the whole point of this is you want to use it, but they're not going to put a gate there. 1206 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:53,820 They can't, it's not there. 1207 00:56:54,139 --> 00:56:54,840 Right, right. 1208 00:56:54,860 --> 00:56:57,300 It's a public right-of-way, but it's a road-wide trail. 1209 00:56:57,300 --> 00:57:02,039 National Forest has purchased other trails that they have put gates on. 1210 00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:07,340 They're not buying this, they don't own it, all we're doing is changing the name of it. 1211 00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:11,780 The Roaring Brook Road is a town road, part of that's a town trail. 1212 00:57:11,980 --> 00:57:12,179 Right. 1213 00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:18,099 National Forest, they can't, they don't block it, right, they block it up higher where they can, but it's not a town. 1214 00:57:18,539 --> 00:57:27,679 Wiley Mountain Road is a town trail, it's not blocked up there, there's a camp in Stanford on that road, people drive to that camp on that road. 1215 00:57:28,099 --> 00:57:30,219 National Forest down here is saying they can't do it. 1216 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,019 I personally don't understand. 1217 00:57:32,380 --> 00:57:35,699 I don't understand why they block Sucker Pond Road, that's a trail off-site. 1218 00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:36,400 I can't doubt. 1219 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,659 And they do block that, so I don't know why. 1220 00:57:38,739 --> 00:57:40,619 It's not a public, it's not a public right-of-way. 1221 00:57:40,699 --> 00:57:44,300 I think it's because they're doing that work around the sensitive area. 1222 00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:48,480 But they do have camps on that road that are Stanford-owned camps. 1223 00:57:48,780 --> 00:57:50,860 They should be able to access those camps. 1224 00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:52,199 They probably have right-of-way. 1225 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:53,800 They have it, they're not public right-of-way. 1226 00:57:53,800 --> 00:58:02,070 To what degree, if we keep that as a Class 4 road, what are our requirements? 1227 00:58:02,170 --> 00:58:08,309 As a town, can't you just, I mean, you haven't been doing anything on it in a while, can we just leave it? 1228 00:58:08,329 --> 00:58:09,269 So we've got a lot of these. 1229 00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:14,389 Because they change things all the time, a few years ago they put in that Clean Water Act. 1230 00:58:14,610 --> 00:58:19,269 So maintenance, on a Class 4 road, it doesn't say there can be no maintenance. 1231 00:58:19,590 --> 00:58:22,289 It doesn't specifically say what maintenance. 1232 00:58:22,909 --> 00:58:25,070 It says to the good and necessity of the town. 1233 00:58:25,489 --> 00:58:27,989 But drainage is supposed to be maintained. 1234 00:58:28,110 --> 00:58:32,070 You're not supposed to have the river erosion, especially on a hydronic. 1235 00:58:32,170 --> 00:58:35,190 It's supposed to be a fairly connected road segment, which some of that's going to be. 1236 00:58:36,070 --> 00:58:40,750 So we're supposed to at least maintain real erosion, I would say, at the bare minimum. 1237 00:58:42,010 --> 00:58:43,849 If it's a trail, we don't have any. 1238 00:58:44,869 --> 00:58:51,510 How much time would this maintenance you're talking about, how much time would that take to do? 1239 00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:52,550 I don't think we could. 1240 00:58:53,070 --> 00:58:57,369 The banks are so high, and then you're going to get in a fight with National Forest, 1241 00:58:57,449 --> 00:58:59,750 draining water on their property that hasn't been there. 1242 00:58:59,750 --> 00:59:02,750 It's got to be four foot, five foot. 1243 00:59:02,869 --> 00:59:06,469 If there was drainage existing, and we were just maintaining it, 1244 00:59:06,510 --> 00:59:13,039 and we had prescriptive rights, there's nothing there at this point. 1245 00:59:13,139 --> 00:59:14,599 It's non-maintainable. 1246 00:59:15,219 --> 00:59:15,659 It's a creep. 1247 00:59:16,219 --> 00:59:16,900 It is. 1248 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:18,559 Sure. 1249 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,800 That's exactly where the drain water goes down there. 1250 00:59:22,539 --> 00:59:26,119 We're responsible for the safety of that road at this point. 1251 00:59:27,889 --> 00:59:33,590 So the water's running down that road, goes into Pommel's Class 4 road, 1252 00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:35,210 that's their problem. 1253 00:59:35,940 --> 00:59:37,219 Yeah, but it's our water. 1254 00:59:37,820 --> 00:59:39,960 We're not putting the crossers to the line. 1255 00:59:40,340 --> 00:59:41,460 Nature is going to get in there. 1256 00:59:41,460 --> 00:59:43,760 You're not going to jump in the path like you would? 1257 00:59:45,099 --> 00:59:50,619 But just that one statement, we are responsible for the safety at this point, 1258 00:59:50,739 --> 00:59:53,679 should make us all jump to the other side and say, 1259 00:59:54,019 --> 00:59:56,820 let's put it as a trail that takes away that liability. 1260 00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:57,659 Yeah. 1261 00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:58,940 It makes sense. 1262 00:59:59,019 --> 01:00:04,369 What if they increase the demands on what it has to be, 1263 01:00:04,530 --> 01:00:04,969 and still, 1264 01:00:05,110 --> 01:00:05,610 it's going to be on Pommel's Class 4? 1265 01:00:05,789 --> 01:00:06,630 Then all of a sudden, 1266 01:00:06,769 --> 01:00:07,969 we're liable for a million dollars. 1267 01:00:07,969 --> 01:00:08,449 And they will. 1268 01:00:08,969 --> 01:00:10,429 They're going to eventually. 1269 01:00:10,650 --> 01:00:10,849 Yeah. 1270 01:00:11,329 --> 01:00:12,250 And in the future, 1271 01:00:12,369 --> 01:00:14,929 if we ever had to do something to that road segment, 1272 01:00:15,070 --> 01:00:15,710 for whatever reason, 1273 01:00:15,710 --> 01:00:17,710 it's going to take an awful huge investment anyway. 1274 01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:18,949 Right. 1275 01:00:19,070 --> 01:00:21,710 If we had to make a road that would go through there, 1276 01:00:21,789 --> 01:00:23,730 whether it was a trail or a Class 4, 1277 01:00:23,929 --> 01:00:26,530 it's not up to a code on a Class 4. 1278 01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:30,659 You can bring it back up to a Class 4 if you want later on. 1279 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:30,980 Right. 1280 01:00:31,099 --> 01:00:32,280 It's not a mistake. 1281 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,639 But you would have to anyways. 1282 01:00:35,139 --> 01:00:37,900 But what about the ATV club? 1283 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,559 How do they feel about it being trail or Class 4? 1284 01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:45,460 What is this going to hurt them, help them? 1285 01:00:46,530 --> 01:00:48,710 It doesn't matter whether it's a Class 4 or being a trail. 1286 01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:50,969 I thought you said something about grants or something. 1287 01:00:50,969 --> 01:00:51,590 You can work. 1288 01:00:53,170 --> 01:00:54,809 I think we've determined that last meeting, 1289 01:00:54,809 --> 01:00:57,329 that the language is all there now. 1290 01:00:58,070 --> 01:00:58,369 Good. 1291 01:00:59,670 --> 01:01:00,769 The language that you needed. 1292 01:01:01,949 --> 01:01:03,610 You were going to give us something, some paperwork. 1293 01:01:03,610 --> 01:01:04,849 I thought you said it was. 1294 01:01:04,889 --> 01:01:04,989 I thought you said it was. 1295 01:01:04,989 --> 01:01:05,110 I thought you said it was. 1296 01:01:05,110 --> 01:01:05,170 I thought you said it was. 1297 01:01:05,170 --> 01:01:06,230 I thought you said it was. 1298 01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:07,530 What was the paperwork, Tom? 1299 01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:11,809 You were going to give us something that you gave us last week 1300 01:01:11,809 --> 01:01:13,710 and it must have got filed somehow. 1301 01:01:14,590 --> 01:01:15,769 What was that for? 1302 01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:20,190 The paperwork is for a funding grant 1303 01:01:20,190 --> 01:01:29,260 to maintain that section of Town Highway 12 and that TR301. 1304 01:01:35,420 --> 01:01:36,699 Town Highway 12. 1305 01:01:38,809 --> 01:01:39,309 That's it. 1306 01:01:39,309 --> 01:01:41,210 That's the .3 section of Town Highway 12. 1307 01:01:41,210 --> 01:01:41,550 Okay. 1308 01:01:41,550 --> 01:01:43,210 That's what that's called. 1309 01:01:43,210 --> 01:01:47,909 And that's a grant so who can maintain it? 1310 01:01:47,909 --> 01:01:49,610 The ATV club? 1311 01:01:49,610 --> 01:01:51,150 No. 1312 01:01:51,150 --> 01:01:57,380 And does it have in there that you have to work through with the road commissioner because? 1313 01:01:57,380 --> 01:01:57,679 Of course. 1314 01:01:57,679 --> 01:01:58,440 Oh, yeah, most. 1315 01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,440 This board and the road commissioner. 1316 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:01,719 Both. 1317 01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:04,099 Unlike the high-tension people. 1318 01:02:04,099 --> 01:02:06,239 They just get to do what they want. 1319 01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:07,500 It has to be signed off. 1320 01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:09,719 Until the helicopters start coming in. 1321 01:02:09,719 --> 01:02:12,309 Really? 1322 01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:12,769 Oh, yeah. 1323 01:02:12,769 --> 01:02:14,070 They have to replace the poles. 1324 01:02:14,070 --> 01:02:15,730 Who said they're going to drive them? 1325 01:02:15,730 --> 01:02:17,809 They're set them, yeah. 1326 01:02:17,809 --> 01:02:19,090 Yeah, they set them. 1327 01:02:19,090 --> 01:02:21,650 They're turning them all into little poles. 1328 01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:23,409 So they're taking up the windows. 1329 01:02:23,409 --> 01:02:23,909 Okay. 1330 01:02:23,909 --> 01:02:26,449 They were just waiting. 1331 01:02:26,449 --> 01:02:27,570 Somebody make a motion. 1332 01:02:27,570 --> 01:02:28,869 Make a motion. 1333 01:02:28,869 --> 01:02:30,070 I'll make a motion. 1334 01:02:30,070 --> 01:02:34,679 We change it to, like we said last time, we change two of them. 1335 01:02:34,679 --> 01:02:35,880 Town Trail. 1336 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:36,519 We go Trail. 1337 01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:37,320 Town, we go Trail. 1338 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:38,940 We second. 1339 01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:40,619 All in favor? 1340 01:02:40,619 --> 01:02:40,980 Aye. 1341 01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:41,380 Aye. 1342 01:02:41,380 --> 01:02:42,159 Aye. 1343 01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:42,860 Aye. 1344 01:02:43,219 --> 01:02:44,219 Aye. 1345 01:02:44,219 --> 01:02:45,219 Aye. 1346 01:02:45,219 --> 01:02:46,920 Aye. 1347 01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:47,920 Aye. 1348 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,360 Aye. 1349 01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:51,360 Aye. 1350 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:52,360 Aye. 1351 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:53,360 Aye. 1352 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:54,360 Aye. 1353 01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:55,360 Aye. 1354 01:02:55,360 --> 01:03:07,659 Aye. 1355 01:03:07,659 --> 01:03:08,659 Aye. 1356 01:03:08,659 --> 01:03:10,969 Aye. 1357 01:03:10,969 --> 01:03:11,969 Aye. 1358 01:03:11,969 --> 01:03:12,969 Aye. 1359 01:03:12,969 --> 01:03:13,969 Aye. 1360 01:03:13,969 --> 01:03:14,969 Aye. 1361 01:03:14,969 --> 01:03:15,969 Aye. 1362 01:03:15,969 --> 01:03:16,969 Aye. 1363 01:03:16,969 --> 01:03:17,969 Aye. 1364 01:03:17,969 --> 01:03:18,969 Aye. 1365 01:03:18,969 --> 01:03:19,969 Aye. 1366 01:03:19,969 --> 01:03:20,969 Aye. 1367 01:03:20,969 --> 01:03:21,969 Aye. 1368 01:03:21,969 --> 01:03:22,969 Aye. 1369 01:03:22,969 --> 01:03:23,969 Aye. 1370 01:03:23,969 --> 01:03:24,969 Aye. 1371 01:03:24,969 --> 01:03:25,969 Aye. 1372 01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:26,969 Aye. 1373 01:03:26,969 --> 01:03:27,969 Aye. 1374 01:03:27,969 --> 01:03:31,969 The second part of that is, did you get the key to the gate? 1375 01:03:31,969 --> 01:03:32,969 No. 1376 01:03:32,969 --> 01:03:40,130 So Sean Langston said to Martina that, I went down to Stanford today and dropped off keys 1377 01:03:40,130 --> 01:03:42,130 with Lori at the town office. 1378 01:03:42,130 --> 01:03:43,130 Yeah. 1379 01:03:43,130 --> 01:03:44,130 Oh, you did? 1380 01:03:44,130 --> 01:03:46,639 Yeah. 1381 01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:47,639 Okay. 1382 01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:48,639 Just that was a second. 1383 01:03:48,639 --> 01:03:49,639 Yeah. 1384 01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:50,639 Okay, good. 1385 01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:57,079 So, who gets the keys? 1386 01:03:57,079 --> 01:03:59,170 Martin. 1387 01:03:59,170 --> 01:04:00,170 Does the town? 1388 01:04:00,170 --> 01:04:01,170 They don't. 1389 01:04:01,170 --> 01:04:02,170 We don't want them. 1390 01:04:02,170 --> 01:04:03,170 I do. 1391 01:04:03,170 --> 01:04:04,170 We're pretty fine. 1392 01:04:04,170 --> 01:04:05,170 What do you put them here for? 1393 01:04:05,170 --> 01:04:06,170 The fire department for you. 1394 01:04:06,170 --> 01:04:11,170 Now do we know if, do we know if National, if they gave the fire department keys? 1395 01:04:11,170 --> 01:04:12,170 No. 1396 01:04:12,170 --> 01:04:13,170 They just dropped off two. 1397 01:04:13,170 --> 01:04:14,170 They dropped off... 1398 01:04:14,170 --> 01:04:15,170 Keys. 1399 01:04:15,170 --> 01:04:16,590 Keys. 1400 01:04:16,590 --> 01:04:17,590 Cause there's two locks. 1401 01:04:17,590 --> 01:04:22,809 So, yeah, it's definitely, that's why I mentioned it. 1402 01:04:22,809 --> 01:04:25,769 For access for sale. 1403 01:04:25,769 --> 01:04:29,769 I know you guys would cut the game. 1404 01:04:29,769 --> 01:04:30,769 Yeah. 1405 01:04:30,769 --> 01:04:31,769 Yeah. 1406 01:04:31,769 --> 01:04:38,769 We don't have that big truck anymore that you just replaced with. 1407 01:04:38,769 --> 01:04:43,769 So there's two locks on each side. The same key opens up both locks. 1408 01:04:43,769 --> 01:04:46,769 So do you want both locks to be given to the fire department? 1409 01:04:46,769 --> 01:04:51,769 Is there any reason for them to keep a set in the vault or hand them over? 1410 01:04:51,769 --> 01:04:58,769 Well, if they both go to the same lock, I would keep one in the office for a spare 1411 01:04:58,769 --> 01:05:01,769 and then give one to the fire department. 1412 01:05:01,769 --> 01:05:07,699 See if the fire department has one already, but they probably don't. 1413 01:05:07,699 --> 01:05:08,699 I don't know. 1414 01:05:08,699 --> 01:05:10,699 I don't think so, but I don't even know specifically. 1415 01:05:10,699 --> 01:05:12,699 Are they non-duplicate keys? 1416 01:05:12,699 --> 01:05:14,699 I'm sure somebody in the department does. 1417 01:05:14,699 --> 01:05:15,699 Five copies. 1418 01:05:15,699 --> 01:05:17,699 Well, if they would get in touch with Laurie. 1419 01:05:17,699 --> 01:05:18,699 Yep. 1420 01:05:18,699 --> 01:05:21,699 Keep one here. 1421 01:05:21,699 --> 01:05:29,179 I'll at least get somebody to tell me what it is they want access to. 1422 01:05:29,179 --> 01:05:30,179 Okay. 1423 01:05:30,179 --> 01:05:35,559 Or we'll show somebody on the map. 1424 01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:42,480 It should go right. 1425 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:43,480 Okay. 1426 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,480 It's just if someone's up there, though, a hiker or anything, 1427 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:51,239 if you guys need to get in that access, it makes sense. 1428 01:05:51,239 --> 01:05:58,469 A week and a half ago, we had somebody injured at the new Seth Warner camp. 1429 01:05:58,469 --> 01:06:03,199 It's a two-hour walk-in. 1430 01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:05,199 Yeah, they made it so you can't drive it. 1431 01:06:05,199 --> 01:06:08,199 They didn't make any access. 1432 01:06:08,199 --> 01:06:16,199 Our people had tried with our six-wheeler and a couple of four-wheelers last spring, 1433 01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:18,579 and they couldn't get through. 1434 01:06:18,579 --> 01:06:24,579 And National Forest and A-Trail people never showed up to help either. 1435 01:06:24,579 --> 01:06:31,440 So when this girl got injured, it was just about a two-hour walk-in, 1436 01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,440 and it was a killer because of how steep it is. 1437 01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:35,440 You're walking the A-Trail. 1438 01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:36,440 Yeah. 1439 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:41,480 And Paul and Corey came back and said, you know, it was more of a rob walk-in. 1440 01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:46,730 Rob LaMoure walked in with them, and it was mud puddles and rock. 1441 01:06:46,730 --> 01:06:47,730 Lots of rock. 1442 01:06:47,730 --> 01:06:49,730 A lot of up and down in there. 1443 01:06:49,730 --> 01:06:50,730 Yeah. 1444 01:06:50,730 --> 01:06:52,730 Slippery rock. 1445 01:06:52,730 --> 01:06:57,730 They did get the young lady out, and then she was airlifted. 1446 01:06:57,730 --> 01:07:02,730 Once they got her off the mountain, she wound up with stitches in her eyelid. 1447 01:07:02,730 --> 01:07:04,730 Thankfully, it did not affect her eyes. 1448 01:07:04,730 --> 01:07:15,980 But Paul was filing recognition again with National Forest and the A-Trail 1449 01:07:15,980 --> 01:07:21,980 of what a situation it is that they've created by moving that camp. 1450 01:07:21,980 --> 01:07:28,590 Is that more halfway between Woodford and Stamford Road? 1451 01:07:28,590 --> 01:07:30,590 Is that why they moved it, or just because it's… 1452 01:07:30,590 --> 01:07:32,590 It's further out in the woods. 1453 01:07:32,590 --> 01:07:34,590 They maintained that it was getting too much use, 1454 01:07:34,590 --> 01:07:40,619 and the path around it was getting abused and more than that. 1455 01:07:40,619 --> 01:07:42,619 So it's not right on the A-Trail itself. 1456 01:07:42,619 --> 01:07:44,619 It's off quite a bit. 1457 01:07:44,619 --> 01:07:45,619 It's on the trail, but it's way… 1458 01:07:45,619 --> 01:07:48,619 It's farther down towards Massachusetts. 1459 01:07:48,619 --> 01:07:49,619 Yeah. 1460 01:07:49,619 --> 01:07:52,199 They didn't want ADVs to get there. 1461 01:07:52,199 --> 01:07:53,199 Right. 1462 01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:54,199 Yeah. 1463 01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:55,199 They didn't want ADVs. 1464 01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:56,199 It was too accessible. 1465 01:07:56,199 --> 01:07:57,199 Yeah. 1466 01:07:57,199 --> 01:07:59,199 But they made absolutely no provision for emergency access. 1467 01:07:59,199 --> 01:08:00,199 Right. 1468 01:08:00,199 --> 01:08:02,550 They didn't even stop that. 1469 01:08:02,550 --> 01:08:04,900 They're not the ones going there. 1470 01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:08,900 So, Dave, on changing that to a legal trail, 1471 01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:11,900 I noticed on several town maps, not just Stamford, 1472 01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:14,900 not just Reed, but many town maps, 1473 01:08:14,900 --> 01:08:17,899 on the section that's unimproved, 1474 01:08:17,899 --> 01:08:21,899 can we put the letter U, meaning impassable or untraveled, 1475 01:08:21,899 --> 01:08:24,189 or a designation? 1476 01:08:24,189 --> 01:08:26,189 I mean, it's on our map there now. 1477 01:08:26,189 --> 01:08:31,189 We don't have any in Stamford, but most of our trails are passable. 1478 01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:34,569 I don't know why I'd have to visit their town 1479 01:08:34,569 --> 01:08:38,569 and see what their road looked like, why they put that on there. 1480 01:08:38,569 --> 01:08:41,569 Can we talk to Ms. Alley and ask why? 1481 01:08:41,569 --> 01:08:44,569 I mean, in Hughesboro, I know they've got class four roads 1482 01:08:44,569 --> 01:08:46,569 that don't look like roads at all. 1483 01:08:46,569 --> 01:08:49,569 And they've got the U that's on the Smith Road between the… 1484 01:08:49,569 --> 01:08:52,569 It'd be hard for us to walk through them. 1485 01:08:52,569 --> 01:08:54,560 Yeah. 1486 01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,689 That might be why they do that. 1487 01:08:56,689 --> 01:08:59,689 But it doesn't take away their responsibility. 1488 01:08:59,689 --> 01:09:00,689 I guess so. 1489 01:09:00,689 --> 01:09:06,130 Because I've had that conversation with the AOT, 1490 01:09:06,130 --> 01:09:08,130 about that. 1491 01:09:08,130 --> 01:09:11,130 At some point, it's going to be a contentious thing, 1492 01:09:11,130 --> 01:09:14,130 because they want these laws followed. 1493 01:09:14,130 --> 01:09:16,130 And now they're following up on a lot of things 1494 01:09:16,130 --> 01:09:18,130 that they never used to. 1495 01:09:18,130 --> 01:09:22,090 I think you're going to see that other towns at some point 1496 01:09:22,090 --> 01:09:25,090 are going to have to start turning these things into legal trails 1497 01:09:25,090 --> 01:09:27,090 instead of class four roads. 1498 01:09:27,090 --> 01:09:28,090 I don't know why they wouldn't. 1499 01:09:28,090 --> 01:09:32,090 Class four with a U saying impassable and don't do any work on. 1500 01:09:32,090 --> 01:09:35,090 Part of the complications that I was talking about earlier 1501 01:09:35,090 --> 01:09:37,090 with Vermont trying to come out on roads, 1502 01:09:37,090 --> 01:09:38,090 ruralism, 1503 01:09:38,090 --> 01:09:40,090 it's becoming developed. 1504 01:09:40,090 --> 01:09:42,279 It wasn't really meant to be. 1505 01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:48,500 That's like going from Martell's last… 1506 01:09:48,500 --> 01:09:50,500 down, that should be a trail. 1507 01:09:50,500 --> 01:09:52,500 It shouldn't even be a class four. 1508 01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:53,500 Right. 1509 01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:55,500 You're not going to grade that. 1510 01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:58,500 From Martell's to the Pound of Lime should be a trail. 1511 01:09:58,500 --> 01:09:59,500 Yeah. 1512 01:09:59,500 --> 01:10:00,500 It's a cobbled path. 1513 01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:03,500 Not even a cobbled road would go down that. 1514 01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:05,500 Years ago, it used to be a little better, 1515 01:10:05,500 --> 01:10:07,500 because the city of North Adams used to allow… 1516 01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:08,500 Yeah. 1517 01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:12,500 John to take some gravel deposits on the side of the road, 1518 01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:15,500 so they used to grab a lot of that 1519 01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:17,500 and try to keep the road passable 1520 01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:20,500 so that they could get up to their property for whatever reason. 1521 01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:22,689 But that's all gone. 1522 01:10:22,689 --> 01:10:24,689 It's been gone for a long time. 1523 01:10:24,689 --> 01:10:29,130 And Sir Sossamo walked out there years ago 1524 01:10:29,130 --> 01:10:32,130 and put a bunch of money in the risky ranch at one point. 1525 01:10:32,130 --> 01:10:37,760 So usually when somebody does something like that, 1526 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,760 they put money in the way of roads more than we do. 1527 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:41,760 Yeah. 1528 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,210 It's kind of a predicament, too, right? 1529 01:10:43,210 --> 01:10:44,210 And then you start clearing off more of this forest for development to occur, 1530 01:10:44,210 --> 01:10:45,210 and then you get more and more erosion on the road. 1531 01:10:45,210 --> 01:10:46,210 Yeah. 1532 01:10:46,210 --> 01:10:47,210 There's more water coming down the hill. 1533 01:10:47,210 --> 01:10:48,210 Where's the balance? 1534 01:10:48,210 --> 01:10:49,210 It's saturating the forest. 1535 01:10:49,210 --> 01:10:50,210 Yeah. 1536 01:10:50,210 --> 01:10:51,210 Yeah. 1537 01:10:51,210 --> 01:10:52,210 And that's where we're going to have issues, too, 1538 01:10:52,210 --> 01:10:53,210 is when you start clearing large pieces of land for people and buildings, 1539 01:10:53,210 --> 01:10:54,210 that it's all going to come down. 1540 01:10:54,210 --> 01:10:55,210 So you want to… 1541 01:10:55,210 --> 01:10:56,210 That's part of the plan. 1542 01:10:56,210 --> 01:10:57,210 Where's the water go from here? 1543 01:10:57,210 --> 01:10:58,210 Lake. 1544 01:10:58,210 --> 01:10:59,210 Lake. 1545 01:10:59,210 --> 01:11:00,210 Lake. 1546 01:11:00,210 --> 01:11:01,210 Lake. 1547 01:11:01,210 --> 01:11:02,210 Lake. 1548 01:11:02,210 --> 01:11:03,210 Lake. 1549 01:11:03,210 --> 01:11:04,210 Lake. 1550 01:11:04,210 --> 01:11:05,210 Lake. 1551 01:11:05,210 --> 01:11:06,210 Lake. 1552 01:11:06,210 --> 01:11:07,210 Lake. 1553 01:11:07,210 --> 01:11:08,210 Lake. 1554 01:11:08,210 --> 01:11:09,210 Lake. 1555 01:11:09,210 --> 01:11:10,210 Lake. 1556 01:11:10,210 --> 01:11:11,210 Lake. 1557 01:11:11,210 --> 01:11:12,210 Lake. 1558 01:11:12,210 --> 01:11:13,210 Lake. 1559 01:11:13,210 --> 01:11:14,210 Lake. 1560 01:11:14,210 --> 01:11:15,210 Lake. 1561 01:11:15,210 --> 01:11:16,210 Lake. 1562 01:11:16,210 --> 01:11:17,210 Lake. 1563 01:11:17,210 --> 01:11:18,210 Lake. 1564 01:11:18,210 --> 01:11:19,210 Lake. 1565 01:11:19,210 --> 01:11:20,210 Lake. 1566 01:11:20,210 --> 01:11:21,210 Lake. 1567 01:11:21,210 --> 01:11:22,210 Lake. 1568 01:11:22,210 --> 01:11:23,210 Lake. 1569 01:11:23,210 --> 01:11:24,210 Lake. 1570 01:11:24,210 --> 01:11:25,210 Lake. 1571 01:11:25,210 --> 01:11:26,210 Lake. 1572 01:11:26,210 --> 01:11:27,210 Lake. 1573 01:11:27,210 --> 01:11:28,210 Lake. 1574 01:11:28,210 --> 01:11:29,210 Lake. 1575 01:11:29,210 --> 01:11:30,210 Lake. 1576 01:11:30,210 --> 01:11:31,210 Lake. 1577 01:11:31,210 --> 01:11:32,210 Lake. 1578 01:11:32,210 --> 01:11:33,689 Lake. 1579 01:11:33,689 --> 01:11:34,689 Lake. 1580 01:11:34,689 --> 01:11:35,689 Lake. 1581 01:11:35,689 --> 01:11:36,689 Lake. 1582 01:11:36,689 --> 01:11:37,689 Lake. 1583 01:11:37,689 --> 01:11:38,689 Lake. 1584 01:11:38,689 --> 01:11:39,689 Lake. 1585 01:11:39,689 --> 01:11:40,689 Lake. 1586 01:11:40,689 --> 01:11:41,689 Lake. 1587 01:11:41,689 --> 01:11:58,829 It's all coming this way. Even the lower half of Le Cher Road all runs off past the village of Stanford, but anything to the northern end of Le Cher Road goes down to Roaring Brook, and then everything north of Mill County Road comes right down to the village. 1588 01:12:00,380 --> 01:12:04,260 So, I mean, any development up in there is going to change the hydrology big time. 1589 01:12:04,260 --> 01:12:13,149 I mean, just the one house that was built on the lower side of Le Cher Road the last couple summers has changed. 1590 01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:24,649 Where the water flows, and it's caused me some issues when we have heavy rains a couple of times, and the property owner tried to do something a little different to help, but still. 1591 01:12:25,229 --> 01:12:31,890 I mean, it's a huge conversation, and it's hard to have because it includes a lot of property rights and stuff like that. 1592 01:12:32,369 --> 01:12:34,750 How do you zone up a town that benefits? 1593 01:12:34,770 --> 01:12:38,770 How do you zone up a town that benefits everyone in the town, and not just a handful of people? 1594 01:12:39,210 --> 01:12:43,229 But it's a hard conversation to have because everyone wants to do whatever they want to on their own property. 1595 01:12:44,729 --> 01:12:45,789 It's complicated. 1596 01:12:47,180 --> 01:12:48,319 Not tonight's decision. 1597 01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:48,979 No. 1598 01:12:50,020 --> 01:12:51,640 Definitely something we need to talk about. 1599 01:12:51,739 --> 01:13:01,140 We definitely got farther into the conversation with the roads tonight than we have in a long time, but it's definitely something that we need to get deeper in on the planning board probably, especially. 1600 01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:04,000 We're segmenting off this town. 1601 01:13:04,739 --> 01:13:05,140 Probably. 1602 01:13:05,319 --> 01:13:14,060 It needs to be zoned in different ways than it is right now, where we just say, okay, two acres here, five acres here, and one acre here, and that's it. 1603 01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:20,399 We've blanketed it across the board, and it's probably not really the right way to do it, but huge conversations. 1604 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,520 Anything else on roads, Dave? 1605 01:13:23,699 --> 01:13:23,939 No. 1606 01:13:24,710 --> 01:13:25,149 Okay. 1607 01:13:25,449 --> 01:13:25,890 Recycling. 1608 01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:33,130 There was a mess up there a week or so ago. 1609 01:13:34,619 --> 01:13:37,460 They brought a 40-yard recycling. 1610 01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:38,939 So anybody that went up there and said, 1611 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,979 I probably couldn't throw the recycling out of the field. 1612 01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:54,699 Let's say they had gotten so far behind that somebody from their Rutland office had to come down and they brought a 40-yarder, which was almost unusable. 1613 01:13:55,119 --> 01:14:04,739 Then they didn't have to do the compact or anything until that Saturday morning, too, which both were supposed to be done on Thursday because I had called them on Monday. 1614 01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:10,199 But they made a call the following Monday. 1615 01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:18,439 They switched out the 40-yarder for the 30-yarder by Wednesday, so that got taken care of. 1616 01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:25,789 And they actually re-emptied the compactor, which they didn't need to, but they did because they had screwed up. 1617 01:14:25,930 --> 01:14:28,270 They wanted to make sure that everything was emptied. 1618 01:14:28,869 --> 01:14:30,310 I have a question on recycling. 1619 01:14:30,970 --> 01:14:35,970 Do we know, so it goes up to Rutland, do we know where it goes from there? 1620 01:14:36,130 --> 01:14:38,909 Well, it doesn't usually go to Rutland. 1621 01:14:38,989 --> 01:14:40,770 They had to send something from Rutland down. 1622 01:14:40,850 --> 01:14:42,390 Because they were so far behind. 1623 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:49,390 So it was going from town, but that facility was closed. 1624 01:14:49,409 --> 01:14:50,710 But then where does it go? 1625 01:14:51,069 --> 01:14:54,050 Because China's not taking recycling anymore. 1626 01:14:54,170 --> 01:14:58,800 They're not taking any of the U.S.'s garbage. 1627 01:14:59,340 --> 01:15:04,199 So I'm wondering, you know, we had this situation out in Arizona where it was this big scam. 1628 01:15:04,300 --> 01:15:08,880 You pay a bunch of money for recycling, and gee, it ends up in your landfill. 1629 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,279 So I'm just curious. 1630 01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,340 If we ever follow. 1631 01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:18,079 If we ever follow the chain to see where all of this does go, because, you know. 1632 01:15:20,449 --> 01:15:22,130 It's the part we don't talk about, doesn't it? 1633 01:15:22,130 --> 01:15:30,149 Well, we should, because, you know, you want to do your part and make sure that you're separating things out. 1634 01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:36,609 And it goes to the big corporation in the sky and, well, gee, money, I can't put it over there. 1635 01:15:36,609 --> 01:15:38,329 How am I going to pay my bonus? 1636 01:15:38,590 --> 01:15:41,350 So it just goes back into the landfill. 1637 01:15:41,529 --> 01:15:42,550 So I'm just curious. 1638 01:15:43,090 --> 01:15:43,829 I'd love to know. 1639 01:15:43,850 --> 01:15:45,189 A lot of plastics are flowing out at sea. 1640 01:15:45,470 --> 01:15:47,329 Oh, it totally goes out to sea. 1641 01:15:47,630 --> 01:15:48,029 Absolutely. 1642 01:15:48,909 --> 01:15:49,090 Yeah. 1643 01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:50,609 So what are we paying for? 1644 01:15:50,609 --> 01:15:57,149 When it was canned, I didn't go to the facility and saw how they separated it all and they mailed it. 1645 01:15:57,250 --> 01:15:59,250 And then people actually bought it from them. 1646 01:15:59,390 --> 01:16:00,529 So people were paying. 1647 01:16:00,609 --> 01:16:05,029 All metals still, that's their number one export to China. 1648 01:16:05,470 --> 01:16:08,510 Number one export to China is scrap metal. 1649 01:16:09,310 --> 01:16:11,210 We sell them our scrap metal. 1650 01:16:11,489 --> 01:16:12,250 We buy finished. 1651 01:16:12,250 --> 01:16:12,909 We buy that. 1652 01:16:13,090 --> 01:16:15,090 The material is bad for them. 1653 01:16:15,090 --> 01:16:31,510 Well, it's stupid because, but what it is, is we have, we deal with a country that has no regulations and they can do it less expensive with the barge and everything that we can come out of Detroit. 1654 01:16:31,869 --> 01:16:34,689 That's why you need to put tariffs on things, but that's a political thing. 1655 01:16:35,050 --> 01:16:39,850 But if you put tariffs on China and India, then it would be equal. 1656 01:16:39,909 --> 01:16:42,850 You would see places out in Detroit. 1657 01:16:42,850 --> 01:16:55,149 You would see Buffalo make it steel again, you know, and then we would be selling steel instead of buying steel, selling oil instead of buying oil, send them over there to be processed. 1658 01:16:55,189 --> 01:17:03,170 Yeah, it's unbelievable how you can do that is send something all, all, all the way around the world, China's correction. 1659 01:17:03,170 --> 01:17:07,970 Volkswagen right now, as we speak, they're bringing it Volkswagen to their knees right now. 1660 01:17:08,010 --> 01:17:08,510 Yeah. 1661 01:17:08,949 --> 01:17:11,350 So that's what's the number one power. 1662 01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:12,449 I was just curious. 1663 01:17:12,449 --> 01:17:12,789 If any, 1664 01:17:12,850 --> 01:17:25,149 if you watch over in China, the trash trucks back up to the Pacific ocean, dump them every minute of the day, every minute, they're dumping trash in the ocean and we're over here feeling good. 1665 01:17:25,149 --> 01:17:25,989 Do we recycle? 1666 01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:27,250 You're right. 1667 01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:28,029 We don't know where it goes. 1668 01:17:28,029 --> 01:17:29,170 We don't know where it goes. 1669 01:17:29,170 --> 01:17:29,670 Okay. 1670 01:17:29,770 --> 01:17:42,670 Well, Vermont just implemented another Vermont household hazards, waste law for more covered products and what it's going to be, it's when you buy these 1671 01:17:42,670 --> 01:17:42,829 products, 1672 01:17:42,850 --> 01:17:48,729 at the store, there's going to be a little increase because it's just like your paint program. 1673 01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:55,380 They tax you a little bit more on the gallon of paint and then it goes from recycling to recycling. 1674 01:17:55,380 --> 01:18:05,100 Well, it's like when Bernie Sanders took the radiation waste out of the nuclear plant and he brought it right through this town, right through this town and went down to Texas. 1675 01:18:05,399 --> 01:18:07,619 Everybody felt good, but it's down Texas now. 1676 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:08,640 It's not gone. 1677 01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,300 I mean, there's a lot of feel good policies. 1678 01:18:10,319 --> 01:18:12,899 There's probably only three people in the entire country that can actually tell you where it goes. 1679 01:18:12,899 --> 01:18:13,619 I'd love to know. 1680 01:18:13,619 --> 01:18:14,119 Nobody knows. 1681 01:18:14,119 --> 01:18:14,619 I might. 1682 01:18:14,619 --> 01:18:15,619 That might be my next thing. 1683 01:18:15,619 --> 01:18:16,619 You let me know what they tell you. 1684 01:18:16,619 --> 01:18:17,619 Call Paula Kamperman at BCRC. 1685 01:18:17,619 --> 01:18:18,619 She's the recycling guru and she's the part of it. 1686 01:18:18,619 --> 01:18:19,619 She'll tell me, oh, it goes up to, you know, I don't know. 1687 01:18:19,619 --> 01:18:20,619 That's a better way to retrieve the petroleum back out of all these plastic products, right? 1688 01:18:20,619 --> 01:18:21,619 Rather than just dumping them in the ocean. 1689 01:18:21,619 --> 01:18:22,619 That'd be awesome, wouldn't it? 1690 01:18:22,619 --> 01:18:23,619 Right, right. 1691 01:18:23,619 --> 01:18:24,619 Yep. 1692 01:18:24,619 --> 01:18:25,710 I knew a guy that wanted to do it. 1693 01:18:25,710 --> 01:18:26,710 I knew one too. 1694 01:18:26,710 --> 01:18:27,710 He's crazy. 1695 01:18:27,710 --> 01:18:28,710 Yeah. 1696 01:18:28,710 --> 01:18:29,710 Oh, yeah. 1697 01:18:29,710 --> 01:18:30,710 Yeah. 1698 01:18:30,710 --> 01:18:31,710 He was... 1699 01:18:31,710 --> 01:18:32,710 He died. 1700 01:18:32,710 --> 01:18:33,710 He was a guy. 1701 01:18:33,710 --> 01:18:34,710 He was a guy. 1702 01:18:34,710 --> 01:18:35,710 He was a guy. 1703 01:18:35,710 --> 01:18:36,710 He was a guy. 1704 01:18:36,710 --> 01:18:37,710 He was a genius. 1705 01:18:37,710 --> 01:18:38,710 One of those geniuses. 1706 01:18:38,710 --> 01:18:39,710 Crazy at the same time. 1707 01:18:39,710 --> 01:18:40,710 Jimmy. 1708 01:18:40,710 --> 01:18:41,710 Yep. 1709 01:18:41,710 --> 01:18:42,710 He could do it. 1710 01:18:42,710 --> 01:18:43,710 The guy you were talking about when we were on the... 1711 01:18:43,710 --> 01:18:44,710 It's Jim Baker. 1712 01:18:44,710 --> 01:18:45,710 Yeah. 1713 01:18:45,710 --> 01:18:46,710 Same guy. 1714 01:18:46,710 --> 01:18:47,710 On the Jeep. 1715 01:18:47,710 --> 01:18:48,710 On the way back. 1716 01:18:48,710 --> 01:18:49,710 Yeah. 1717 01:18:49,710 --> 01:18:50,710 He actually had a company called New Earth Salvage where he was going to spin turbines 1718 01:18:50,710 --> 01:18:51,710 by burning plastic milk jugs. 1719 01:18:51,710 --> 01:18:52,710 Basically. 1720 01:18:52,710 --> 01:18:53,710 Yeah. 1721 01:18:53,710 --> 01:18:54,710 We went there. 1722 01:18:54,710 --> 01:18:55,710 I went there. 1723 01:18:55,710 --> 01:18:56,710 I went there. 1724 01:18:56,710 --> 01:18:57,710 I went there. 1725 01:18:57,710 --> 01:18:58,710 I went there. 1726 01:18:58,710 --> 01:18:59,710 I went there. 1727 01:18:59,710 --> 01:19:00,710 I went there. 1728 01:19:00,710 --> 01:19:01,710 I went there. 1729 01:19:01,710 --> 01:19:02,710 I went there. 1730 01:19:02,710 --> 01:19:03,710 I went there. 1731 01:19:03,710 --> 01:19:04,710 I went there. 1732 01:19:04,710 --> 01:19:05,710 I went there. 1733 01:19:05,710 --> 01:19:06,710 I went there. 1734 01:19:06,710 --> 01:19:07,710 You had a meeting with him? 1735 01:19:07,710 --> 01:19:08,710 Yeah. 1736 01:19:08,710 --> 01:19:09,710 Yeah. 1737 01:19:09,710 --> 01:19:10,710 I had a meeting with him down in Mt. 1738 01:19:10,710 --> 01:19:11,710 Tom. 1739 01:19:11,710 --> 01:19:12,710 We had a big meeting. 1740 01:19:12,710 --> 01:19:13,710 We had a state rep Dan Bosley and everybody with us. 1741 01:19:13,710 --> 01:19:16,710 We went down, sat with the company and they said, this is unbelievable, this is the greatest 1742 01:19:16,710 --> 01:19:17,770 idea we ever saw. 1743 01:19:17,770 --> 01:19:23,710 Then they asked him how he came about the idea and that was the end of the meeting. 1744 01:19:23,710 --> 01:19:24,710 Yeah. 1745 01:19:24,710 --> 01:19:25,710 I can only imagine. 1746 01:19:25,710 --> 01:19:26,710 All natural. 1747 01:19:26,710 --> 01:19:27,710 He's passed, so. 1748 01:19:27,710 --> 01:19:30,710 I went to his house once and he lived in the attic and his horse lives in the battle. 1749 01:19:30,710 --> 01:19:31,710 His horse was in the house. 1750 01:19:31,710 --> 01:19:32,710 Yeah. 1751 01:19:33,710 --> 01:19:34,710 I know people don't love horses but that's just a little crazy. 1752 01:19:34,710 --> 01:19:35,710 Vote Annalie. 1753 01:19:35,710 --> 01:19:36,710 They're all like that. 1754 01:19:36,710 --> 01:19:45,750 he's like stop in for a beer and i'm like are you kidding me jim he was definitely a character 1755 01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:56,350 okay so i attended an alliance meeting yesterday on recycling and um our household hazardous waste 1756 01:19:56,350 --> 01:20:03,289 facility in bennington got a couple dings because we didn't have a log inventory and a daily 1757 01:20:03,289 --> 01:20:11,699 inspection checklist so they're working on that but other than that it's uh we're okay and it's 1758 01:20:11,699 --> 01:20:20,270 only it hasn't really been operating one full year the the end of october um what's the other thing 1759 01:20:20,270 --> 01:20:32,239 here a little slate of update um the alliance is working with bennington town of bennington 1760 01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:36,100 their uh chamber of commerce any 1761 01:20:36,460 --> 01:20:43,060 they're hoping to have this memorandum of understanding with any event put on by the 1762 01:20:43,060 --> 01:20:50,439 bennington chamber of commerce which includes the garlic fest that any vendors will use compostable 1763 01:20:50,439 --> 01:21:01,829 products uh first year it's there's some they're going to ask them to do it second year they may 1764 01:21:01,829 --> 01:21:06,770 have a vendor that they can buy in bulk 1765 01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:14,640 all from the same vendor and everybody uses same product it's still in the works but they're they 1766 01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:23,600 want to keep a lot of the paper and not the paper but the plastics out of the landfill uh the 1767 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:32,659 bennington town committee compost committee or rinsing the plates people use before they went in 1768 01:21:32,659 --> 01:21:37,579 the trash and i don't know that's not going to happen but that's something that's in the work 1769 01:21:37,739 --> 01:21:43,779 that uh they're starting with the garlic fest because that's the biggest event that bennington 1770 01:21:43,779 --> 01:21:51,760 has and they're going to just reach out county-wise i don't see it happening next year but 1771 01:21:52,479 --> 01:22:00,880 any event that people put on town-wise you need recycle you need your compost you need 1772 01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:09,979 trash and how to do all that stuff if you don't what happens i don't know 1773 01:22:10,739 --> 01:22:17,060 but the memorandum of understanding there's a little bit of they're talking about a fine now 1774 01:22:17,859 --> 01:22:23,449 they're going to tell the vendors who can't come next year that's what's in their understanding 1775 01:22:23,449 --> 01:22:30,489 right now if it passes but it's still in the works and then bennington library is going to have 1776 01:22:30,489 --> 01:22:37,020 fix it fun november 9th bring in any of your stuff that needs to be fixed i don't know what 1777 01:22:37,899 --> 01:22:41,979 people are going to be there and what they're fixing but they said sewing machines your hammers 1778 01:22:42,220 --> 01:22:43,439 trains, whatever. 1779 01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:44,619 They'll fix it. 1780 01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:46,729 And that's it. 1781 01:22:47,609 --> 01:22:49,789 Your children, your husband. 1782 01:22:49,890 --> 01:22:50,810 November 9th. 1783 01:22:50,810 --> 01:22:51,630 Oh, that's it. 1784 01:22:52,210 --> 01:22:53,590 Yeah, I didn't talk about that. 1785 01:22:55,149 --> 01:22:56,949 One thing we won't be able to bring 1786 01:22:56,949 --> 01:22:59,069 is wives, because that's unfixable. 1787 01:22:59,909 --> 01:23:00,750 We are perfect 1788 01:23:00,750 --> 01:23:02,970 as we are. 1789 01:23:06,210 --> 01:23:07,050 Nothing else 1790 01:23:07,050 --> 01:23:07,710 on recycling. 1791 01:23:07,710 --> 01:23:12,770 Emergency management. 1792 01:23:13,149 --> 01:23:15,109 Bill, you had something you wanted to bring up. 1793 01:23:17,149 --> 01:23:18,250 I thought you were bringing up 1794 01:23:18,250 --> 01:23:19,409 something about the 1795 01:23:19,409 --> 01:23:22,220 fire truck. 1796 01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:23,680 That's the next item. 1797 01:23:24,279 --> 01:23:25,960 Oh, sorry. 1798 01:23:27,340 --> 01:23:29,420 Okay, nothing on emergency management. 1799 01:23:30,359 --> 01:23:31,319 Fire truck loan. 1800 01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:32,340 Fire truck loan. 1801 01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:34,779 Went back to 1802 01:23:34,779 --> 01:23:36,100 Adams Co-op. 1803 01:23:36,859 --> 01:23:39,319 They're perfectly happy to write a loan 1804 01:23:39,319 --> 01:23:40,539 for five years. 1805 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,770 If we want to pay 1806 01:23:42,770 --> 01:23:44,689 interest only for one month 1807 01:23:44,689 --> 01:23:46,930 to be able to pay interest 1808 01:23:46,930 --> 01:23:48,949 but it won't reduce capital 1809 01:23:48,949 --> 01:23:50,829 you know, if we 1810 01:23:50,829 --> 01:23:52,689 got the truck in November and the 1811 01:23:52,689 --> 01:23:54,949 first payment would fall due in December 1812 01:23:54,949 --> 01:23:56,630 and if you don't want to make that 1813 01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:57,850 and you want to just pay interest, 1814 01:23:58,470 --> 01:24:00,770 they'll accommodate it. It doesn't make any good sense 1815 01:24:00,770 --> 01:24:02,729 to us. You're still talking about a five 1816 01:24:02,729 --> 01:24:04,590 year loan. We're within the range 1817 01:24:04,590 --> 01:24:06,529 of what doesn't require bonding. 1818 01:24:07,449 --> 01:24:08,449 They do not 1819 01:24:08,449 --> 01:24:10,270 and they don't want to write 1820 01:24:10,590 --> 01:24:12,590 loan papers until we 1821 01:24:12,590 --> 01:24:13,590 need the money. 1822 01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:14,590 Yeah. 1823 01:24:14,590 --> 01:24:16,590 They feel as if it protects 1824 01:24:16,590 --> 01:24:18,590 us as well as the bank for 1825 01:24:18,590 --> 01:24:20,590 whatever interest rates change 1826 01:24:20,590 --> 01:24:22,590 over the next two months. 1827 01:24:22,590 --> 01:24:24,590 Paul's looking with the 1828 01:24:24,590 --> 01:24:26,590 expectation that the truck will be 1829 01:24:26,590 --> 01:24:28,590 available around Thanksgiving 1830 01:24:28,590 --> 01:24:30,939 which might make a first 1831 01:24:30,939 --> 01:24:32,939 payment due in December. 1832 01:24:32,939 --> 01:24:35,039 So we have enough for a first 1833 01:24:35,039 --> 01:24:36,039 payment. 1834 01:24:36,039 --> 01:24:38,039 We have money to cover 1835 01:24:38,039 --> 01:24:40,039 well... 1836 01:24:40,039 --> 01:24:42,869 We might... 1837 01:24:42,869 --> 01:24:44,869 I think the town's got enough money 1838 01:24:44,869 --> 01:24:46,869 in the fire truck equipment 1839 01:24:46,869 --> 01:24:48,869 replacement fund. 1840 01:24:48,869 --> 01:24:50,869 But it looks like... 1841 01:24:50,869 --> 01:24:52,869 In this truck's fund. 1842 01:24:52,869 --> 01:24:54,869 In this truck's fund. Yes. 1843 01:24:54,869 --> 01:24:56,869 You might be able to steal money out of 1844 01:24:56,869 --> 01:24:58,869 emergency management 1845 01:24:58,869 --> 01:25:00,869 money. You might be able to 1846 01:25:00,869 --> 01:25:03,000 steal money if you 1847 01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,000 still got ARPA money that 1848 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,000 is uncommitted. I hate to 1849 01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,000 steal money out of Peter to pay 1850 01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,000 Paul. I'd rather just hear it clean. Yeah, we've got it. 1851 01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,000 That's only by December 31st. 1852 01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,000 Right. 1853 01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,000 Anyhow. But the other thing is 1854 01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,000 it's going to be figured like 1855 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,000 $60,000 a year 1856 01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,000 repayment for five years 1857 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,350 for this loan. So there goes 1858 01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:27,350 more tax money. 1859 01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:29,350 So one comment we got 1860 01:25:29,350 --> 01:25:31,350 Tracy from the bank 1861 01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:33,350 who just assumed worked 1862 01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:35,350 directly with Lori. At this 1863 01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:37,350 point since we're termed and we 1864 01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:39,350 know what's going on, there's no 1865 01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:41,350 point in having to go through Paul 1866 01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:43,350 or me to Lori. 1867 01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:45,350 Turn around and go back to Tracy. 1868 01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:48,399 So that's the intention of how 1869 01:25:48,399 --> 01:25:50,979 it's going to be done. And that's 1870 01:25:50,979 --> 01:25:52,979 as much as I have about the truck loan. 1871 01:25:52,979 --> 01:25:55,079 It's going forward. 1872 01:25:55,079 --> 01:25:57,079 It's agreed that they 1873 01:25:57,079 --> 01:26:02,949 will write the loan. 1874 01:26:02,949 --> 01:26:04,949 Lori, delinquent dog 1875 01:26:04,949 --> 01:26:07,300 update. So 1876 01:26:07,300 --> 01:26:09,399 Luke has been 1877 01:26:09,399 --> 01:26:11,399 working on trying to bring those dog 1878 01:26:11,399 --> 01:26:13,399 owners into the lines. 1879 01:26:13,399 --> 01:26:15,399 I did have one dog owner 1880 01:26:15,399 --> 01:26:17,399 come in late this afternoon and license 1881 01:26:17,399 --> 01:26:19,399 dog. Good. 1882 01:26:19,399 --> 01:26:21,399 One of our dogs moved out of town 1883 01:26:21,399 --> 01:26:23,399 a week or two ago. Good. 1884 01:26:23,399 --> 01:26:25,399 And he did reach one 1885 01:26:25,399 --> 01:26:27,399 who said that she would be in next week. 1886 01:26:27,399 --> 01:26:29,399 So I mean we're still 1887 01:26:29,399 --> 01:26:31,399 maybe at six or seven people who 1888 01:26:31,399 --> 01:26:33,720 are holding out. 1889 01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:35,720 Wow. 1890 01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:37,720 Last year. 1891 01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:39,939 September 1892 01:26:39,939 --> 01:26:41,939 six or seven people. 1893 01:26:41,939 --> 01:26:43,939 We're done in November. Has Luke 1894 01:26:43,939 --> 01:26:45,939 issued the tickets? 1895 01:26:45,939 --> 01:26:48,680 I am not sure. 1896 01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:50,680 Alright. 1897 01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,680 Do you want me to email him and say Luke if you 1898 01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,680 issued the tickets, I need the copies 1899 01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:56,680 back here in the office. Lori needs them 1900 01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:00,119 in her records. 1901 01:27:00,119 --> 01:27:02,119 I know he's been calling them and 1902 01:27:02,119 --> 01:27:04,119 what not. I don't know. 1903 01:27:04,119 --> 01:27:06,119 Every time he does stuff like this 1904 01:27:06,119 --> 01:27:08,119 he puts in a bill to us. 1905 01:27:08,119 --> 01:27:10,119 He's working. He puts in a bill. 1906 01:27:10,119 --> 01:27:12,119 I hope the tickets cover what 1907 01:27:12,119 --> 01:27:14,819 you know it's costing the town. 1908 01:27:14,819 --> 01:27:16,819 If not, we ought to look at that. 1909 01:27:16,819 --> 01:27:18,819 Or send the tickets. 1910 01:27:18,819 --> 01:27:20,819 This is one of the issues that 1911 01:27:20,819 --> 01:27:22,819 just pisses me off because it's 1912 01:27:22,819 --> 01:27:24,819 so little. It's just laziness. 1913 01:27:24,819 --> 01:27:26,819 There's no way this is about 1914 01:27:26,819 --> 01:27:28,819 financial work. 1915 01:27:28,819 --> 01:27:30,819 The hard part with the ticket is 1916 01:27:30,819 --> 01:27:32,819 the people can just accept 1917 01:27:32,819 --> 01:27:34,819 the fine and pay the court 1918 01:27:34,819 --> 01:27:37,329 and then the court gets the money 1919 01:27:37,329 --> 01:27:39,329 and closes the case and they still 1920 01:27:39,329 --> 01:27:41,329 haven't licensed the dog. 1921 01:27:41,329 --> 01:27:43,329 So we don't get the money. 1922 01:27:43,329 --> 01:27:45,329 We don't get the money. 1923 01:27:45,329 --> 01:27:47,329 Like I said before, this is one of the 1924 01:27:47,329 --> 01:27:49,329 things the state wants to take it over. 1925 01:27:49,329 --> 01:27:51,329 Go ahead. Go and take the dog. 1926 01:27:51,329 --> 01:27:53,329 But that doesn't make sense. 1927 01:27:53,329 --> 01:27:55,329 This is the stuff that drives me nuts. 1928 01:27:55,329 --> 01:27:57,329 How can we 1929 01:27:57,329 --> 01:27:59,329 run our town, enforce 1930 01:27:59,329 --> 01:28:01,329 people, punish people, whatever 1931 01:28:01,329 --> 01:28:03,329 you want to call it, if we don't get the money? 1932 01:28:03,329 --> 01:28:05,329 What good is it? 1933 01:28:05,329 --> 01:28:07,329 It's a paper tiger. 1934 01:28:07,329 --> 01:28:09,329 And if we're paying him to make these 1935 01:28:09,329 --> 01:28:11,329 excessive phone calls. 1936 01:28:11,329 --> 01:28:13,329 It was due January 1st. You had it on April 1937 01:28:13,329 --> 01:28:15,329 to pay it and now 1938 01:28:15,329 --> 01:28:17,329 here we are in September 1939 01:28:17,329 --> 01:28:19,329 and he's billing us to remind 1940 01:28:19,329 --> 01:28:21,329 people to do this. It's crazy. 1941 01:28:21,329 --> 01:28:23,329 We could make better use of the kennels. 1942 01:28:23,329 --> 01:28:25,619 Put the owners in. 1943 01:28:25,619 --> 01:28:27,619 Yeah, exactly. 1944 01:28:27,619 --> 01:28:29,619 Suck aids. 1945 01:28:29,619 --> 01:28:31,619 Let's bring back suck aids. 1946 01:28:31,619 --> 01:28:33,619 It's usually never a bad dog, right? 1947 01:28:33,619 --> 01:28:35,619 No. 1948 01:28:35,619 --> 01:28:37,619 How many dogs are out? 1949 01:28:37,619 --> 01:28:39,619 How many people? 1950 01:28:39,619 --> 01:28:41,619 Yeah. 1951 01:28:41,619 --> 01:28:43,619 You know, 1952 01:28:43,619 --> 01:28:45,619 I was always worried about 1953 01:28:45,619 --> 01:28:47,619 putting our 1954 01:28:47,619 --> 01:28:49,619 delinquent tax people's 1955 01:28:49,619 --> 01:28:51,619 names out there. 1956 01:28:51,619 --> 01:28:53,619 That's kind of sensitive. 1957 01:28:53,619 --> 01:28:55,619 You might not have the money. 1958 01:28:55,619 --> 01:28:57,619 You might fall into hardship. 1959 01:28:57,619 --> 01:28:59,619 This is $10. 1960 01:28:59,619 --> 01:29:01,840 $15 at the top? 1961 01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,840 That many? 1962 01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:05,840 Oh, God. 1963 01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,289 We're down to seven people, nine dogs. 1964 01:29:08,289 --> 01:29:11,569 I think 1965 01:29:11,569 --> 01:29:13,569 there should be a list in the table. 1966 01:29:13,569 --> 01:29:15,569 Any more 1967 01:29:15,569 --> 01:29:17,569 teeth in the dog? 1968 01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,600 We've done what the state said 1969 01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,600 in our dog ordinance. 1970 01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:25,600 Let's read them out. 1971 01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,600 I would never 1972 01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:29,600 picture half of these people being 1973 01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:31,600 Would you state who those people 1974 01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,670 are, please? 1975 01:29:33,670 --> 01:29:35,670 That's up to the chair. 1976 01:29:35,670 --> 01:29:37,670 I agree. 1977 01:29:37,670 --> 01:29:39,670 Stacey Abusi, 1978 01:29:39,670 --> 01:29:41,670 Sumner Road, has a dog. 1979 01:29:41,670 --> 01:29:43,989 Dog's 1980 01:29:43,989 --> 01:29:45,989 rabies expires September 2025, 1981 01:29:45,989 --> 01:29:47,989 so all she needs to do is register 1982 01:29:47,989 --> 01:29:50,850 her dog. 1983 01:29:50,850 --> 01:29:54,359 Elin Bascom, 1984 01:29:54,359 --> 01:29:56,359 she needs a rabies shot. 1985 01:29:56,359 --> 01:29:58,840 Doreen Bentley 1986 01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,159 needs a rabies shot. 1987 01:30:01,159 --> 01:30:03,159 Megan Bouchard has 1988 01:30:03,159 --> 01:30:05,159 two dogs. 1989 01:30:05,159 --> 01:30:07,159 One needs a rabies shot. 1990 01:30:07,159 --> 01:30:09,279 Ryan Clark, 1991 01:30:09,279 --> 01:30:11,800 rabies shot. 1992 01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,949 William Primmer, 1993 01:30:14,949 --> 01:30:18,609 he could 1994 01:30:18,609 --> 01:30:20,609 do the dog. It's okay. 1995 01:30:20,609 --> 01:30:23,029 It's current. 1996 01:30:23,029 --> 01:30:25,029 Clay Townsend Zeller, 1997 01:30:25,029 --> 01:30:28,050 one dog needs 1998 01:30:28,050 --> 01:30:30,050 a shot. 1999 01:30:30,050 --> 01:30:32,050 How many dogs do you have? One or two? 2000 01:30:32,050 --> 01:30:34,050 He has two and one needs a shot. 2001 01:30:34,050 --> 01:30:36,050 So that's five dogs that need shots. 2002 01:30:36,050 --> 01:30:38,050 That are running around. 2003 01:30:38,050 --> 01:30:40,050 That's the whole purpose of this program. 2004 01:30:40,050 --> 01:30:42,050 It's really scary. 2005 01:30:42,050 --> 01:30:44,050 It's a public health issue. 2006 01:30:44,050 --> 01:30:46,050 The whole purpose of the program is to make sure they have the shots. 2007 01:30:46,050 --> 01:30:48,050 It's not the 10 bucks. 2008 01:30:48,050 --> 01:30:50,050 Do we know anybody, the relatives, who can say, 2009 01:30:50,050 --> 01:30:52,050 get your dog down there. 2010 01:30:52,050 --> 01:30:54,050 Does the Townsend do the rabies clinic stuff? 2011 01:30:54,050 --> 01:30:56,050 No. 2012 01:30:56,050 --> 01:30:58,050 We have them up there. 2013 01:30:58,050 --> 01:31:00,050 We have a central 2014 01:31:00,050 --> 01:31:02,050 trackership. 2015 01:31:02,050 --> 01:31:04,050 That's why they go 2016 01:31:04,050 --> 01:31:06,050 really close together. 2017 01:31:06,050 --> 01:31:08,050 It's real cheap. 2018 01:31:08,050 --> 01:31:10,050 Twice a month? 2019 01:31:10,050 --> 01:31:12,050 Yeah. 2020 01:31:14,050 --> 01:31:16,050 That's the treasure supply. 2021 01:31:16,050 --> 01:31:18,050 Okay. 2022 01:31:18,050 --> 01:31:20,560 Is there a point at which you can take the dog? 2023 01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,560 Yeah. 2024 01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:24,560 Because the other side, the liability 2025 01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:26,560 side of it is, God forbid 2026 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:28,560 some kid gets bitten. 2027 01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:30,560 There's no rabies protection on the animal. 2028 01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,789 Who's responsible? 2029 01:31:32,789 --> 01:31:34,789 We know about it. 2030 01:31:34,789 --> 01:31:36,789 Yeah. 2031 01:31:36,789 --> 01:31:38,789 We've been neglectful in our duty 2032 01:31:38,789 --> 01:31:40,789 to let that animal still be young. 2033 01:31:40,789 --> 01:31:42,789 Can you give this to me? 2034 01:31:42,789 --> 01:31:44,789 Let's get Louie. 2035 01:31:44,789 --> 01:31:46,789 We start getting into 2036 01:31:46,789 --> 01:31:48,789 impounding dogs and it costs us 2037 01:31:48,789 --> 01:31:50,789 a lot of cash. 2038 01:31:50,789 --> 01:31:52,789 A lot of cash. 2039 01:31:52,789 --> 01:31:54,789 We can't impound them. 2040 01:31:54,789 --> 01:31:56,789 We only can keep two dogs. 2041 01:31:56,789 --> 01:31:58,789 We could spend $20,000 on a blink of an eye on somebody's dog. 2042 01:31:58,789 --> 01:32:00,789 Well, maybe that's the next thread. 2043 01:32:00,789 --> 01:32:02,789 He should say, we're taking your dog. 2044 01:32:02,789 --> 01:32:04,789 Well, I remember when, I think it was Chris 2045 01:32:04,789 --> 01:32:06,789 Dardew's chair, in the state law books 2046 01:32:06,789 --> 01:32:08,789 you can send a warrant out 2047 01:32:08,789 --> 01:32:10,789 with a sheriff and 2048 01:32:10,789 --> 01:32:12,789 then the dog is humanely destroyed. 2049 01:32:12,789 --> 01:32:14,789 We got to that point. 2050 01:32:14,789 --> 01:32:16,789 Take your sheriff. 2051 01:32:16,789 --> 01:32:18,789 We got to that point. 2052 01:32:18,789 --> 01:32:20,789 And I had phone calls left at midnight 2053 01:32:20,789 --> 01:32:22,789 from drunken people who were mad 2054 01:32:22,789 --> 01:32:24,789 that we were coming after their dogs. 2055 01:32:26,789 --> 01:32:28,789 I've literally read articles where 2056 01:32:28,789 --> 01:32:30,789 towns are on the hook for $15,000 and $20,000 2057 01:32:30,789 --> 01:32:32,789 for people's dogs. 2058 01:32:32,789 --> 01:32:34,789 Just because they impounded the dog 2059 01:32:34,789 --> 01:32:36,789 for one reason or another. 2060 01:32:36,789 --> 01:32:38,789 Right, and people won't pay it. 2061 01:32:38,789 --> 01:32:40,789 But it says in the law, you've got to register your dog. 2062 01:32:40,789 --> 01:32:42,789 You could put a lien on your house. 2063 01:32:42,789 --> 01:32:44,789 How do you enforce them? 2064 01:32:44,789 --> 01:32:46,789 I guess you could put a lien on their property. 2065 01:32:46,789 --> 01:32:48,789 You're getting into a whole bunch of legalities. 2066 01:32:48,789 --> 01:32:50,789 It's just craziness. 2067 01:32:50,789 --> 01:32:52,789 The state should take over this whole entire program. 2068 01:32:52,789 --> 01:32:54,789 And if you call the state right now, 2069 01:32:54,789 --> 01:32:56,789 it's not a problem. 2070 01:32:56,789 --> 01:32:58,789 I mean, you could bank up this whole town 2071 01:32:58,789 --> 01:33:00,789 because someone's got a dog that they don't want to take care of. 2072 01:33:00,789 --> 01:33:02,789 Literally. 2073 01:33:02,789 --> 01:33:04,789 It's like ASPCA or something. 2074 01:33:04,789 --> 01:33:06,789 Isn't that a form of neglect? 2075 01:33:06,789 --> 01:33:08,789 Possibly. 2076 01:33:08,789 --> 01:33:10,789 Well, they're so crowded. 2077 01:33:10,789 --> 01:33:12,789 Yeah, they're crowded, but they've got to go out and look 2078 01:33:12,789 --> 01:33:14,789 if there's a report. 2079 01:33:14,789 --> 01:33:16,789 They'll go out and look, but they may say 2080 01:33:16,789 --> 01:33:18,789 it's on the house of the dog you guys got. 2081 01:33:18,789 --> 01:33:20,789 I don't know. 2082 01:33:20,789 --> 01:33:22,789 One of my daughter-in-laws 2083 01:33:22,789 --> 01:33:24,789 used to work for the ASCPA 2084 01:33:24,789 --> 01:33:26,789 in Boston. 2085 01:33:26,789 --> 01:33:28,789 And she used to go out 2086 01:33:28,789 --> 01:33:30,789 with police 2087 01:33:30,789 --> 01:33:32,789 and other officers there 2088 01:33:32,789 --> 01:33:34,789 to bring dogs in, take them away from the owner. 2089 01:33:34,789 --> 01:33:36,789 If there's no room to keep the dog 2090 01:33:36,789 --> 01:33:38,789 at their shelter or whatever, then it's on the town. 2091 01:33:38,789 --> 01:33:40,789 I know Luke had a real tough time 2092 01:33:40,789 --> 01:33:42,789 finding a place to bring dogs. 2093 01:33:42,789 --> 01:33:44,789 That's why we got the kennel. 2094 01:33:44,789 --> 01:33:46,789 But the other option is just let them go. 2095 01:33:46,789 --> 01:33:48,789 So we're going to be liable 2096 01:33:48,789 --> 01:33:50,789 either way. 2097 01:33:50,789 --> 01:33:52,789 I mean, long term, there's the hope. 2098 01:33:52,789 --> 01:33:54,789 North Adams is apparently building a shelter 2099 01:33:54,789 --> 01:33:56,789 with a lot more capacity than Payne. 2100 01:33:56,789 --> 01:33:58,789 It looks nice. 2101 01:33:58,789 --> 01:34:00,789 Pause something? 2102 01:34:00,789 --> 01:34:02,789 Yeah, second. 2103 01:34:02,789 --> 01:34:04,789 Well, I mean, 2104 01:34:04,789 --> 01:34:06,789 I'd get Luke involved in this a lot 2105 01:34:06,789 --> 01:34:08,789 and say let's just whatever 2106 01:34:08,789 --> 01:34:10,789 our policy is, do it 2107 01:34:10,789 --> 01:34:12,789 and do it quick. 2108 01:34:12,789 --> 01:34:14,789 Because it's not only 2109 01:34:14,789 --> 01:34:16,789 they're not registered, 2110 01:34:16,789 --> 01:34:18,789 they don't have the rating shots, 2111 01:34:18,789 --> 01:34:20,789 and there may be a provision 2112 01:34:20,789 --> 01:34:22,789 that says that's more important. 2113 01:34:22,789 --> 01:34:24,789 And nobody's dog died, right? 2114 01:34:24,789 --> 01:34:27,039 I'm just saying. 2115 01:34:27,039 --> 01:34:29,039 I've gotten things from you in the past 2116 01:34:29,039 --> 01:34:31,039 and my dogs have died. 2117 01:34:31,039 --> 01:34:33,039 Yeah, you'd think though if I sent you a letter 2118 01:34:33,039 --> 01:34:35,039 with a fine, you'd say my dog died. 2119 01:34:35,039 --> 01:34:37,039 They haven't responded, 2120 01:34:37,039 --> 01:34:39,039 but other people continue to throw away 2121 01:34:39,039 --> 01:34:41,039 and be like, oh my dog's dead. 2122 01:34:41,039 --> 01:34:43,039 Right. 2123 01:34:43,039 --> 01:34:45,039 After the fine goes out, 2124 01:34:45,039 --> 01:34:47,039 But after ten phone calls, you'd say, 2125 01:34:47,039 --> 01:34:49,039 oh, my dog died. 2126 01:34:49,039 --> 01:34:51,039 That's all you need to say. 2127 01:34:51,039 --> 01:34:53,039 I mean, no record of a rapee shot 2128 01:34:53,039 --> 01:34:55,039 may actually mean that you, 2129 01:34:55,039 --> 01:34:57,039 are we mandatory to confiscate that dog? 2130 01:34:57,039 --> 01:34:59,039 You might be. That's what Bill's saying. 2131 01:34:59,039 --> 01:35:01,039 We might be liable if we don't. 2132 01:35:01,039 --> 01:35:03,039 If they don't have rabies shots, 2133 01:35:03,039 --> 01:35:05,039 that might be more important to do. 2134 01:35:05,039 --> 01:35:07,039 Well, I think our ordinance says 2135 01:35:07,039 --> 01:35:09,039 we go through the tort system. 2136 01:35:09,039 --> 01:35:11,039 It'd be cheaper to go up there 2137 01:35:11,039 --> 01:35:13,039 and just give it the rabies shot. 2138 01:35:13,039 --> 01:35:15,109 Hire a vet and go up there 2139 01:35:15,109 --> 01:35:17,109 and give it the rabies shot. 2140 01:35:17,109 --> 01:35:19,109 Oh, yeah. 2141 01:35:19,109 --> 01:35:21,109 That's one of the things I hate to do it 2142 01:35:21,109 --> 01:35:23,109 because everybody would want it, 2143 01:35:23,109 --> 01:35:25,109 but here's your $15. 2144 01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:27,109 Now, go up there and give it the rabies shot. 2145 01:35:27,109 --> 01:35:29,109 That's one of the things I hate to do 2146 01:35:29,109 --> 01:35:31,109 because everybody would want it. 2147 01:35:31,109 --> 01:35:33,109 Go register your dog. 2148 01:35:33,109 --> 01:35:35,109 Give it a shot. 2149 01:35:35,109 --> 01:35:37,109 Yes, it's the vet bill. 2150 01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:39,109 I guess. 2151 01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:41,109 But like you said, it costs more. 2152 01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:43,109 You can get a rabies shot. 2153 01:35:43,109 --> 01:35:45,109 It'd be cheaper for us to pay for it 2154 01:35:45,109 --> 01:35:47,109 as a town and go right to their house 2155 01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:49,109 and give them the rabies shot 2156 01:35:49,109 --> 01:35:51,109 than it is to take that dog 2157 01:35:51,109 --> 01:35:53,109 and put it in our kennel. 2158 01:35:53,109 --> 01:35:55,109 Well, then we'll be doing everybody's, too. 2159 01:35:55,109 --> 01:35:57,109 Then we'll just waste taxes to pay for all the dogs 2160 01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:59,109 and see what people say. 2161 01:35:59,109 --> 01:36:01,109 That's right. 2162 01:36:01,109 --> 01:36:03,109 You put in the rabies shot and put it in the town. 2163 01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:05,109 Yeah. 2164 01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:07,109 You put it in the select board minutes. 2165 01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:09,109 If you need to, you create a category in the town report. 2166 01:36:09,109 --> 01:36:11,109 Yeah. 2167 01:36:11,109 --> 01:36:13,109 Money dispersed because of that. 2168 01:36:13,109 --> 01:36:15,109 Public shaming. 2169 01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:17,109 That's what it is. 2170 01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:19,109 Put it on their tax bill. 2171 01:36:19,109 --> 01:36:21,109 Right, but then don't get them the shots. 2172 01:36:21,109 --> 01:36:23,109 That's the big thing. 2173 01:36:23,109 --> 01:36:25,109 Oh, if we had to go get them a shot, yeah. 2174 01:36:25,109 --> 01:36:27,109 Put it on their tax bill. 2175 01:36:27,109 --> 01:36:29,109 Yep. 2176 01:36:29,109 --> 01:36:31,109 And 8%? 2177 01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:33,109 That's a big bounty when you miss that. 2178 01:36:33,109 --> 01:36:35,109 Okay. 2179 01:36:35,109 --> 01:36:37,109 Laurie, you call Luke tomorrow and 2180 01:36:37,109 --> 01:36:39,590 got to do this. 2181 01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:41,590 We got to do something. 2182 01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:43,590 If this doesn't work, we got to look at this, too. 2183 01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:45,590 I mean, we've had to do that with people 2184 01:36:45,590 --> 01:36:47,590 that won't change their driveway color. 2185 01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:49,590 Ultimately, we go around and around and then we do it and we go. 2186 01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:51,590 Right. 2187 01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:53,590 This is more of a public health issue than a color. 2188 01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:55,590 Right, we're going to take your dog, we're bringing them 2189 01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:57,590 and give them a shot. 2190 01:36:57,590 --> 01:36:59,590 Charge them 100 bucks. 2191 01:36:59,590 --> 01:37:01,590 Yep, so here it is. Yep. You want to foster another dog? 2192 01:37:01,590 --> 01:37:03,590 No. 2193 01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:05,590 Oh, you were looking for some dogs, weren't you? 2194 01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:07,590 We got one coming. 2195 01:37:07,590 --> 01:37:09,590 I appreciate it, but we got one coming. 2196 01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:11,590 Maybe you want a couple to keep them company. 2197 01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:13,590 How about a wolf pair for you? 2198 01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:15,590 Yeah, that'd be good. 2199 01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:17,590 Okay, town website. 2200 01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:19,649 Laurie. 2201 01:37:19,649 --> 01:37:21,649 So, I guess I just wanted to make you aware 2202 01:37:21,649 --> 01:37:25,649 the state updated their laws recently 2203 01:37:25,649 --> 01:37:27,840 and said words like 2204 01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,840 you have to know, put the audio 2205 01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:31,840 files of your meeting 2206 01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:33,840 either video or audio 2207 01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:35,840 has to go on your website. 2208 01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:38,159 The file is so large 2209 01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:40,159 that our website man 2210 01:37:40,159 --> 01:37:42,159 had extreme trouble 2211 01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:44,159 getting it to load. 2212 01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:46,159 And I couldn't email it to him 2213 01:37:46,159 --> 01:37:48,159 for him to try 2214 01:37:48,159 --> 01:37:50,159 because it is too large 2215 01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:52,159 to send by email. 2216 01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:54,260 What it means is 2217 01:37:54,260 --> 01:37:56,260 the storage capacity 2218 01:37:56,260 --> 01:37:58,260 that we pay for on the website 2219 01:37:58,260 --> 01:38:00,680 is probably going to end up being 2220 01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:02,680 a problem. 2221 01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:04,680 You either have to pay more money 2222 01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:06,680 for the website 2223 01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:08,680 the other thing he suggested 2224 01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:10,680 was paying for like 2225 01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:12,680 cloud storage 2226 01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:14,680 and you just put a link on your website 2227 01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,680 and now we're paying 2228 01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:18,680 for all these files to be stored 2229 01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:20,680 somewhere. 2230 01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:22,680 So is it now mandatory that we record the meeting? 2231 01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:24,680 It's mandatory. 2232 01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:26,680 It was optional at one time. 2233 01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:28,680 It was optional and just for the minutes 2234 01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:30,680 but now audio or video 2235 01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:32,680 something has to go on the minute. 2236 01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:34,680 I was going to ask you 2237 01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:36,680 is it mandatory in the first place 2238 01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:38,680 to record? 2239 01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:40,680 It wasn't mandatory last year. 2240 01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:42,680 So could it just be a link 2241 01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:44,680 to the YouTube channel? 2242 01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:46,680 Like why do we have to 2243 01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:48,680 that can't be official. 2244 01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:50,680 I know the school wasn't doing it last year. 2245 01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:52,680 If they have an official 2246 01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:54,680 website they have to have it. 2247 01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:56,680 So if we put a link 2248 01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:58,869 on our website 2249 01:38:58,869 --> 01:39:00,869 what's that? 2250 01:39:00,869 --> 01:39:02,869 Library 2251 01:39:02,869 --> 01:39:04,869 So if there's a link 2252 01:39:04,869 --> 01:39:06,869 on our website 2253 01:39:06,869 --> 01:39:08,869 to the cloud 2254 01:39:08,869 --> 01:39:10,869 can you put it up there 2255 01:39:10,869 --> 01:39:13,279 or does our webmaster 2256 01:39:13,279 --> 01:39:15,279 put it up there? 2257 01:39:15,279 --> 01:39:17,279 I think that 2258 01:39:17,279 --> 01:39:19,279 I've never done it before 2259 01:39:19,279 --> 01:39:21,279 I'm assuming that 2260 01:39:21,279 --> 01:39:23,279 I would have access to the cloud 2261 01:39:23,279 --> 01:39:25,279 and put things up there. 2262 01:39:25,279 --> 01:39:27,279 Because all you need to do 2263 01:39:27,279 --> 01:39:29,279 is keep it up there 30 days, right? 2264 01:39:29,279 --> 01:39:31,279 Well 30 days from when 2265 01:39:31,279 --> 01:39:33,279 It's in one of the cumulus clouds 2266 01:39:33,279 --> 01:39:35,279 That's all mine is 2267 01:39:35,279 --> 01:39:37,279 My email is 2268 01:39:37,279 --> 01:39:39,279 all my storage is 2269 01:39:39,279 --> 01:39:41,279 Gmail cloud 2270 01:39:41,279 --> 01:39:43,279 I would never be able 2271 01:39:43,279 --> 01:39:45,279 to store everything 2272 01:39:45,279 --> 01:39:47,279 So find out the price of that 2273 01:39:47,279 --> 01:39:49,279 Every third meeting 2274 01:39:49,279 --> 01:39:51,279 I could get rid of the 2275 01:39:51,279 --> 01:39:53,279 first 2276 01:39:53,279 --> 01:39:55,279 But you'll have to keep 2277 01:39:55,279 --> 01:39:57,279 at least two, maybe three meetings 2278 01:39:57,279 --> 01:40:00,340 I wonder if you could 2279 01:40:00,340 --> 01:40:02,340 I was going to say 2280 01:40:02,340 --> 01:40:04,340 if you could tell how many people 2281 01:40:04,340 --> 01:40:06,340 but it doesn't matter 2282 01:40:06,340 --> 01:40:08,340 It's got to be that 2283 01:40:08,340 --> 01:40:10,340 I personally think the open meeting 2284 01:40:10,340 --> 01:40:12,369 should be 2285 01:40:12,369 --> 01:40:14,369 The door 2286 01:40:14,369 --> 01:40:16,369 Exactly, come to the meetings 2287 01:40:16,369 --> 01:40:18,369 Because you can't 2288 01:40:18,369 --> 01:40:20,369 You listen to that 2289 01:40:20,369 --> 01:40:22,369 and you can't interact 2290 01:40:22,369 --> 01:40:24,789 Or you may not know 2291 01:40:24,789 --> 01:40:26,789 who's speaking 2292 01:40:26,789 --> 01:40:28,789 He has these videos 2293 01:40:28,789 --> 01:40:30,789 on his computer 2294 01:40:30,789 --> 01:40:32,789 all of them 2295 01:40:32,789 --> 01:40:34,789 on his laptop at home 2296 01:40:34,789 --> 01:40:36,789 Well I can store them 2297 01:40:36,789 --> 01:40:38,789 on my computer here 2298 01:40:38,789 --> 01:40:40,789 But what we pay for 2299 01:40:40,789 --> 01:40:42,789 on our website 2300 01:40:42,789 --> 01:40:44,789 just doesn't include that amount of data 2301 01:40:44,789 --> 01:40:46,789 So we kind of 2302 01:40:46,789 --> 01:40:48,819 I mean the last time 2303 01:40:48,819 --> 01:40:50,819 the state started dictating 2304 01:40:50,819 --> 01:40:52,819 you all just said 2305 01:40:52,819 --> 01:40:54,819 no more website, we're done 2306 01:40:54,819 --> 01:40:56,819 Well this is where we were talking 2307 01:40:56,819 --> 01:40:58,819 Dave says it changes laws 2308 01:40:58,819 --> 01:41:00,819 now it changes laws 2309 01:41:00,819 --> 01:41:02,819 pretty soon they're going to want 2310 01:41:02,819 --> 01:41:04,819 a year's worth, pretty soon they're going to want 2311 01:41:04,819 --> 01:41:06,819 more and more 2312 01:41:06,819 --> 01:41:08,819 but they don't throw any money that way 2313 01:41:08,819 --> 01:41:10,819 More demands on the towns 2314 01:41:10,819 --> 01:41:12,819 and we have to follow through 2315 01:41:12,819 --> 01:41:14,819 That's what Kurt said 2316 01:41:14,819 --> 01:41:16,819 If you want to take over, go ahead 2317 01:41:16,819 --> 01:41:18,819 You ask them where the state website is 2318 01:41:18,819 --> 01:41:20,819 that you'd like us to store it 2319 01:41:20,819 --> 01:41:22,819 Right, there you go 2320 01:41:22,819 --> 01:41:24,819 That's a great idea 2321 01:41:24,819 --> 01:41:26,819 We don't have the capacity 2322 01:41:26,819 --> 01:41:28,819 Ok, let us know what's going on then 2323 01:41:28,819 --> 01:41:30,819 Sign two deeds transferring lot 294 2324 01:41:30,819 --> 01:41:32,819 and lot 188 2325 01:41:32,819 --> 01:41:34,819 and these we approve 2326 01:41:34,819 --> 01:41:36,819 Many months ago 2327 01:41:36,819 --> 01:41:38,819 and I'm glad that 2328 01:41:38,819 --> 01:41:40,819 Yes, one of them recently 2329 01:41:40,819 --> 01:41:42,819 and one of them a long time ago 2330 01:41:42,819 --> 01:41:44,819 He said he sent the check 2331 01:41:44,819 --> 01:41:46,819 and it must have been lost in the mail 2332 01:41:46,819 --> 01:41:48,819 Then he found the check under his wife's seat 2333 01:41:48,819 --> 01:41:50,819 in her car 2334 01:41:50,819 --> 01:41:52,819 Maybe she didn't want to buy the land 2335 01:41:52,819 --> 01:41:54,819 She's wondering how she could transfer those 2336 01:41:54,819 --> 01:41:56,819 Yeah, yeah 2337 01:41:56,819 --> 01:41:58,819 So yeah 2338 01:41:58,819 --> 01:42:00,819 We're ready to sign both deeds 2339 01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:04,880 So that means 2340 01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:06,880 Alright, we only have 2341 01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:08,880 We only own a half 2342 01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:10,880 of Alcon Wall lot 2343 01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:12,880 and if we can see who owns 2344 01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:14,920 the other half 2345 01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:16,920 maybe we could get rid of that too 2346 01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:18,920 Because at one time 2347 01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:20,920 we had about 50 or 60 2348 01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:22,920 Alcon Wall lots that we took at tax sale 2349 01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:25,170 and we're trying to get them back 2350 01:42:25,170 --> 01:42:27,170 on the tax roll 2351 01:42:27,170 --> 01:42:29,430 They're building up there 2352 01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:31,430 Oh, we went 2353 01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:33,590 My husband and I went up there the other day 2354 01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:35,590 Of course we got lost a couple of times 2355 01:42:35,590 --> 01:42:37,590 How can you not? 2356 01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:39,590 He says I'm getting out of here 2357 01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:41,590 We didn't see the whole Alcon Wall 2358 01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:43,590 Beautiful homes up there 2359 01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:45,590 It's like going into a whole different world 2360 01:42:45,590 --> 01:42:47,590 You go there, every time you go 2361 01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:49,590 you just go a different way 2362 01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:51,590 Do people see these things walking? 2363 01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:53,590 What's that? 2364 01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:55,590 I know, we used to go swimming there 2365 01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:57,590 It used to be a challenge to find out 2366 01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:59,590 where the hell the property is 2367 01:42:59,590 --> 01:43:01,590 Never mind measurement to get a number 2368 01:43:01,590 --> 01:43:03,590 Exactly, the one that you 2369 01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:05,590 And then they said 2370 01:43:05,590 --> 01:43:07,590 No problem, we've marked the driveways 2371 01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:09,590 Bullshit, they're one marker state 2372 01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:11,590 I know, yeah 2373 01:43:11,590 --> 01:43:13,590 That'll give you a beginning 2374 01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:15,590 The house is marked 2375 01:43:15,590 --> 01:43:17,590 There's a couple of flags out in the woods 2376 01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:19,590 I had to 2377 01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:21,590 I had to go back 2378 01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:23,590 down to where I had service 2379 01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:25,590 so I could go on 2380 01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:27,590 the Alcon Wall map 2381 01:43:27,590 --> 01:43:29,590 to figure out 2382 01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:31,590 where to go further 2383 01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:33,590 Absolutely, I could drive down to Cleft Road 2384 01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:35,590 Oh okay, I was just there 2385 01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:37,590 Oh, it's across from lot 401 2386 01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:39,590 which had a for sale sign 2387 01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:41,590 Okay, now I went back up there 2388 01:43:41,590 --> 01:43:43,590 and put the fee up 2389 01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:46,039 And I'm working from a complete 2390 01:43:46,039 --> 01:43:48,039 subdivision map 2391 01:43:48,039 --> 01:43:50,199 of the whole place 2392 01:43:50,199 --> 01:43:52,199 Of course, it's interesting because 2393 01:43:52,199 --> 01:43:54,199 some people use the original lot 2394 01:43:54,199 --> 01:43:56,199 subdivision number 2395 01:43:56,199 --> 01:43:58,199 some people have a street number 2396 01:44:00,199 --> 01:44:02,199 They go nowhere 2397 01:44:02,199 --> 01:44:04,199 You just turn around 2398 01:44:04,199 --> 01:44:06,199 Yeah, you go around 2399 01:44:06,199 --> 01:44:08,199 Where does this go? 2400 01:44:08,199 --> 01:44:10,199 It doesn't go anywhere 2401 01:44:10,199 --> 01:44:12,199 There's no sign says that 2402 01:44:12,199 --> 01:44:14,199 The best part is you want to drive a fire engine there 2403 01:44:14,199 --> 01:44:16,199 in the middle of the night 2404 01:44:16,199 --> 01:44:18,199 preferably in winter 2405 01:44:18,199 --> 01:44:20,199 When Craig has or has not gotten there 2406 01:44:20,199 --> 01:44:22,199 to sand the roads 2407 01:44:22,199 --> 01:44:24,199 and you look for a bright light 2408 01:44:24,199 --> 01:44:26,199 burning 2409 01:44:28,199 --> 01:44:30,199 And you can't get there 2410 01:44:30,199 --> 01:44:32,199 It's horrible 2411 01:44:32,199 --> 01:44:34,199 It's right over that side 2412 01:44:34,199 --> 01:44:36,199 but you gotta go down here, go up this road, up around 2413 01:44:36,199 --> 01:44:38,199 Okay 2414 01:44:38,199 --> 01:44:40,199 Lori, what else do you have? 2415 01:44:40,199 --> 01:44:42,199 Well, it's funny that we talked about this 2416 01:44:42,199 --> 01:44:44,199 This new excess weight permit came in today 2417 01:44:44,199 --> 01:44:46,199 Oh 2418 01:44:46,199 --> 01:44:48,199 I thought they gave us one last week 2419 01:44:48,199 --> 01:44:50,199 I would have thought so too 2420 01:44:50,199 --> 01:44:52,199 So that must have some nice content 2421 01:44:52,199 --> 01:44:54,199 Oh, don't sign it 2422 01:44:54,199 --> 01:44:56,199 But I thought they gave it to us last week 2423 01:44:56,199 --> 01:44:58,199 See 2424 01:44:58,199 --> 01:45:00,199 No, that was Beacon Acquisitions 2425 01:45:00,199 --> 01:45:02,199 So they gave us this 2426 01:45:02,199 --> 01:45:04,199 after they started 2427 01:45:04,199 --> 01:45:06,199 Oh, yeah, clearly 2428 01:45:06,199 --> 01:45:08,199 Holly Higgum, okay 2429 01:45:08,199 --> 01:45:10,199 So I have an email address 2430 01:45:10,199 --> 01:45:12,199 Is that the one that's working on the 2431 01:45:12,199 --> 01:45:14,199 Yeah, the white trucks 2432 01:45:14,199 --> 01:45:16,199 I talked to a bunch of those guys last week 2433 01:45:16,199 --> 01:45:18,199 Well, Holly must be 2434 01:45:18,199 --> 01:45:20,229 She's gotta be with the 2435 01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:22,229 insurance 2436 01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:24,840 I have it here 2437 01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:26,840 Yeah 2438 01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:29,859 Riggs is in Phoenix 2439 01:45:29,859 --> 01:45:31,859 Holly what's her name? 2440 01:45:31,859 --> 01:45:33,859 I think she's with the insurance 2441 01:45:33,859 --> 01:45:37,430 The closest is 2442 01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:39,430 in Jacksonville I believe 2443 01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:41,430 I have an email 2444 01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:43,430 Riggs, this is Riggs 2445 01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:45,430 I mean, I just would like to 2446 01:45:45,430 --> 01:45:47,430 Like you said, what are you gonna do 2447 01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:49,430 for the damage to your road 2448 01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:51,430 I can fix anything 2449 01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:53,430 Utility and emergency vehicles 2450 01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:55,430 are exempt 2451 01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:57,430 Kind of push them a little 2452 01:45:57,430 --> 01:45:59,430 I do think we're gonna sign this 2453 01:45:59,430 --> 01:46:01,430 There you go 2454 01:46:01,430 --> 01:46:03,430 Am I signing this, guys? 2455 01:46:03,430 --> 01:46:05,619 Sure 2456 01:46:05,619 --> 01:46:08,359 Are you gonna do a motion? 2457 01:46:08,359 --> 01:46:10,869 Sure 2458 01:46:10,869 --> 01:46:12,869 I'm not here to sign it 2459 01:46:12,869 --> 01:46:14,869 I didn't read it 2460 01:46:14,869 --> 01:46:16,869 Riggs, just learned the overweight permit 2461 01:46:16,869 --> 01:46:18,869 Ten dollars 2462 01:46:18,869 --> 01:46:20,869 Did they give us the check? 2463 01:46:20,869 --> 01:46:22,869 Yeah 2464 01:46:22,869 --> 01:46:24,869 Ten bucks won't cover the road damage 2465 01:46:24,869 --> 01:46:26,869 No, because you're the insurance company 2466 01:46:26,869 --> 01:46:28,869 With that one inch 2467 01:46:28,869 --> 01:46:30,869 That's right, that is a good thing to sign 2468 01:46:30,869 --> 01:46:32,869 Now we have to 2469 01:46:32,869 --> 01:46:34,869 John Doherty 2470 01:46:34,869 --> 01:46:43,109 Who says the excess weight fee 2471 01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:45,109 is ten dollars 2472 01:46:45,109 --> 01:46:47,109 State of Vermont 2473 01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:49,109 It's been ten dollars as long as I've been here 2474 01:46:49,109 --> 01:46:51,109 Most people, most counties 2475 01:46:51,109 --> 01:46:53,109 have gotten rid of that 2476 01:46:53,109 --> 01:46:55,109 We don't, mandated 2477 01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:57,109 We just take it 2478 01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:59,109 And it's for 2479 01:46:59,109 --> 01:47:01,750 Two million 2480 01:47:01,750 --> 01:47:03,750 Dave, what is 2481 01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:05,750 Four million 2482 01:47:05,750 --> 01:47:07,750 What are our bridges 2483 01:47:07,750 --> 01:47:10,640 rated for 2484 01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:12,640 Going up Mill Road 2485 01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:14,640 Well, I mean, they're legally posted 2486 01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:16,640 at the end of the road 2487 01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:18,640 For the axles 2488 01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:20,640 For the vehicles 2489 01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:22,640 That they get in an accident 2490 01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:24,640 Right, okay 2491 01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:26,640 I mean, the regulations 2492 01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:28,640 Yeah 2493 01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:30,640 I would say they're not over 2494 01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:32,640 Like, even those forwarders 2495 01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:34,640 I mean, what do they have, eight? 2496 01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:36,640 They're sticking all those 2497 01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:38,640 Because I was talking about 2498 01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:40,640 Well, one guy was throwing out 2499 01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:42,640 Well, and it's per axle 2500 01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:44,640 So it's all ready 2501 01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:46,640 And he hit the mark 2502 01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:48,640 So they are trying to do everything 2503 01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:50,640 to fix it 2504 01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:52,640 Yeah, okay 2505 01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:54,640 Because he asked me 2506 01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:56,640 He said, you know, there's a 2507 01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:58,640 We should reach out 2508 01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:00,640 To say, hey, you got to get those 2509 01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,640 I mean, they were mining 2510 01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:04,640 To a whole other place 2511 01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:06,640 And have people with radios 2512 01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:08,640 Right, they should have 2513 01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:10,640 At least they should 2514 01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:12,640 Do some safety 2515 01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:14,640 You know, I would 2516 01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:16,640 When we reach out to them 2517 01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:18,640 It's a safety thing 2518 01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:20,640 You have the flaggers 2519 01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:22,640 You know, some kind of caution 2520 01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:24,640 Some of the drivers 2521 01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:26,640 Are a little bit fast 2522 01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:28,640 Tell them to push one of our 2523 01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:30,640 Locals off the road 2524 01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:32,640 I came down 2525 01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:34,640 The pickup truck went up there 2526 01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:36,640 Yeah, that's what I said 2527 01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:38,640 They go up and down that road 2528 01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:40,640 Pretty fast 2529 01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:42,640 Local Joe 2530 01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,640 And I had my jeep 2531 01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:46,640 Drop down 2532 01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:48,640 You know, I don't go fast enough 2533 01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:50,640 That's why it's 2534 01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:52,640 I thought it was 2535 01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:54,640 Under correspondence 2536 01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:56,640 Okay, old business 2537 01:48:56,640 --> 01:48:58,640 Yep 2538 01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:01,029 Kurt had made the motion 2539 01:49:01,029 --> 01:49:03,029 At the last meeting to do the permit 2540 01:49:03,029 --> 01:49:05,029 For the sign 2541 01:49:05,029 --> 01:49:07,029 So I have the permit ready 2542 01:49:07,029 --> 01:49:09,029 The check made out from the community 2543 01:49:09,029 --> 01:49:11,029 Building community group 2544 01:49:11,029 --> 01:49:13,029 But if you guys want to review it 2545 01:49:13,029 --> 01:49:15,029 And sign it 2546 01:49:15,029 --> 01:49:18,369 Because this is what we decided on 2547 01:49:18,369 --> 01:49:20,369 I know one of them that 2548 01:49:20,369 --> 01:49:22,979 Is going to be at the campus library 2549 01:49:22,979 --> 01:49:24,979 And it's going to be that 2550 01:49:24,979 --> 01:49:26,979 All the way across, right? 2551 01:49:26,979 --> 01:49:28,979 54 by 30 or something like that 2552 01:49:28,979 --> 01:49:30,979 11.25 square feet 2553 01:49:30,979 --> 01:49:33,039 54 by 30, 11.25 2554 01:49:33,039 --> 01:49:35,039 Okay 2555 01:49:35,039 --> 01:49:37,109 Submit it 2556 01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:39,109 How far from the center 2557 01:49:39,109 --> 01:49:41,109 We have to draw in there 2558 01:49:41,109 --> 01:49:43,109 How far away from the road we are 2559 01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:45,109 It has to be at least 50 feet 2560 01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:47,109 In 2561 01:49:47,109 --> 01:49:49,239 And we should mark it 2562 01:49:49,239 --> 01:49:51,239 So it's not going to be where 2563 01:49:51,239 --> 01:49:53,239 All the flowers are 2564 01:49:53,239 --> 01:49:55,560 So all those have to be dug up? 2565 01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:57,560 No 2566 01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:59,560 Probably should ask Pam 2567 01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:01,560 If she wants her flowers 2568 01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:03,560 I don't think she wants them 2569 01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:05,560 Tom paid for them 2570 01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:07,560 Community group 2571 01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:09,560 Community group paid for them 2572 01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:11,560 I think she donated 2573 01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:13,560 Oh maybe her time 2574 01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:15,560 But the plants themselves 2575 01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:17,560 Some of them are low enough 2576 01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:19,560 Because they look like they can 2577 01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:21,560 Those big colored orange yellow 2578 01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:23,560 And then you just put them 2579 01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:25,560 Somewhere else in the school yard 2580 01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:27,560 But the kids transplant them 2581 01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:29,560 They'll come back every year 2582 01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:31,560 Well we can ask her 2583 01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:33,880 But I don't think she's going to want them 2584 01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:39,199 But yeah we should probably 2585 01:50:39,199 --> 01:50:41,199 Put some markings out there 2586 01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:43,590 Where the signs are going to go 2587 01:50:43,590 --> 01:50:45,590 Make sure it's marked 2588 01:50:45,590 --> 01:50:47,590 Make it 50 and a half 2589 01:50:47,590 --> 01:50:49,779 Yeah please 2590 01:50:49,779 --> 01:50:51,779 I do 51 but 2591 01:50:51,779 --> 01:50:54,550 Yeah 51 is good 2592 01:50:54,550 --> 01:50:56,550 Other old business Laurie 2593 01:50:56,550 --> 01:50:58,840 Nothing from me 2594 01:50:58,840 --> 01:51:02,560 Oh I do have something 2595 01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:04,560 Um 2596 01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:06,560 I spoke to you at a meeting or two before 2597 01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:08,560 About the problems I'm having with the 2598 01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:10,560 CDL 2599 01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:12,560 Drug testing stuff 2600 01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,560 We sent a nice little 2601 01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:16,560 Email to 2602 01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:18,560 The drug testing people 2603 01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:20,880 I had no response 2604 01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:22,880 From them 2605 01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:24,880 I did forward it to our insurance guy 2606 01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:26,880 Wade Mesher 2607 01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:28,880 At VLCT 2608 01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:30,880 Made aware of this problem 2609 01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:32,880 From the drug testing company themselves 2610 01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:34,880 The first few days of August 2611 01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:36,880 If all goes as planned 2612 01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:38,880 Things should be back to normal 2613 01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:41,520 Around mid September 2614 01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:43,520 But that's all he said 2615 01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:45,520 And then yesterday 2616 01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:47,520 Maybe the day before 2617 01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:50,449 I got a new reminder that 2618 01:51:50,449 --> 01:51:52,449 Everything needs to be done 2619 01:51:52,449 --> 01:51:54,449 Through Southwestern Vermont Medical Center 2620 01:51:54,449 --> 01:51:56,449 So they're not 2621 01:51:56,449 --> 01:51:59,000 Willing to work with us 2622 01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:01,600 Testing people 2623 01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:03,600 We have two tests 2624 01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:05,600 That we have this quarter 2625 01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:07,600 Do you have tests? 2626 01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:09,600 Right yeah 2627 01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:11,859 Is that where it can be done? 2628 01:52:11,859 --> 01:52:14,369 Confidentially 2629 01:52:14,369 --> 01:52:16,369 It's called confidential 2630 01:52:16,369 --> 01:52:18,529 If we were to have two tests 2631 01:52:18,529 --> 01:52:20,529 This quarter 2632 01:52:20,529 --> 01:52:22,529 They have to be done by September 30th 2633 01:52:22,529 --> 01:52:24,529 And our employees would 2634 01:52:24,529 --> 01:52:26,529 At this point have to go all the way 2635 01:52:26,529 --> 01:52:28,529 To Southwestern Vermont Medical Center 2636 01:52:28,529 --> 01:52:30,529 That's where they've chosen 2637 01:52:30,529 --> 01:52:32,720 Yeah but 2638 01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:34,720 Are they the CDL certified 2639 01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:36,720 Collector 2640 01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:38,720 That's Southern Vermont 2641 01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:40,720 Yeah but they have to be the 2642 01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:42,720 Collector 2643 01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:44,720 Either way they have to be 2644 01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:46,720 Home to the garage like they normally do 2645 01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:48,720 Right and they said by mid September 2646 01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:50,979 So we can play the 2647 01:52:50,979 --> 01:52:52,979 If we have tests coming up 2648 01:52:52,979 --> 01:52:54,979 Normally what happens is 2649 01:52:54,979 --> 01:52:56,979 Where he calls me on the day before 2650 01:52:56,979 --> 01:52:58,979 And says hey you gotta be at the garage 2651 01:52:58,979 --> 01:53:00,979 At this time 2652 01:53:00,979 --> 01:53:02,979 Okay so that works in the winter 2653 01:53:02,979 --> 01:53:04,979 But there's a storm 2654 01:53:04,979 --> 01:53:06,979 And she called me the day before 2655 01:53:06,979 --> 01:53:08,979 And says hey guess what 2656 01:53:08,979 --> 01:53:10,979 You gotta go to the hospital tomorrow 2657 01:53:10,979 --> 01:53:12,979 Cause you're gonna have to set that up 2658 01:53:12,979 --> 01:53:14,979 What if you're sick? 2659 01:53:14,979 --> 01:53:16,979 You have to make an appointment 2660 01:53:16,979 --> 01:53:19,140 What if you don't make it? 2661 01:53:19,140 --> 01:53:21,170 Something happened 2662 01:53:21,170 --> 01:53:24,899 Then you gotta go the very next day 2663 01:53:24,899 --> 01:53:26,899 So 2664 01:53:26,899 --> 01:53:28,899 You didn't say you were off the hook 2665 01:53:28,899 --> 01:53:30,899 You didn't say anything 2666 01:53:30,899 --> 01:53:32,899 But they sent another 2667 01:53:32,899 --> 01:53:34,899 They sent another reminder about 2668 01:53:34,899 --> 01:53:36,899 This is where you need to go 2669 01:53:36,899 --> 01:53:39,090 That's probably all 2670 01:53:39,090 --> 01:53:41,090 In their computer 2671 01:53:41,090 --> 01:53:43,090 He hasn't been there by the 15th of September 2672 01:53:43,090 --> 01:53:45,090 So they push the button and send another 2673 01:53:45,090 --> 01:53:47,439 Reminder 2674 01:53:47,439 --> 01:53:49,439 So what do we do? 2675 01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:51,439 It's only if they call for it right? 2676 01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:53,439 It's like a 2677 01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:55,439 Unknown test they don't know 2678 01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:57,439 It's a random 2679 01:53:57,439 --> 01:53:59,439 But he's called 2680 01:53:59,439 --> 01:54:01,439 I get it a few times a year anyway 2681 01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:03,439 Four times a year or better 2682 01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:05,439 So at the beginning of the quarter 2683 01:54:05,439 --> 01:54:07,439 If our guys are picked 2684 01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:09,439 I just receive a notice that 2685 01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:11,439 One of our guys has been chosen 2686 01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:13,439 Or both of our guys have been chosen 2687 01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:15,439 But then I don't hear anything 2688 01:54:15,439 --> 01:54:17,439 Until it's time to schedule it 2689 01:54:17,439 --> 01:54:19,439 And when they know they're gonna be in our area 2690 01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:21,439 They'll call me on Monday 2691 01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:23,439 Saying we're gonna be here on 2692 01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:25,439 Tomorrow or Wednesday to schedule it 2693 01:54:25,439 --> 01:54:27,510 And they can take your CBL license away from you 2694 01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:29,510 No 2695 01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:31,510 What can they do to you? 2696 01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:33,510 I mean this is to our insurance 2697 01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:35,510 This isn't the federal program 2698 01:54:35,510 --> 01:54:37,510 We've been doing this for 20 years 2699 01:54:37,510 --> 01:54:39,729 And I haven't gotten it 2700 01:54:39,729 --> 01:54:41,729 This is just our insurance company doing it 2701 01:54:41,729 --> 01:54:43,729 But it is a federal 2702 01:54:43,729 --> 01:54:45,729 They're putting you in the federal testing program 2703 01:54:45,729 --> 01:54:47,920 So it'll have federal effects 2704 01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:49,920 For noncompliance 2705 01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:51,920 I don't think they pull their CBL right away 2706 01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:53,920 There's a way to work with them 2707 01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:55,920 Do you need 2708 01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:57,920 Counseling 2709 01:54:57,920 --> 01:54:59,920 I'm not told to go 2710 01:54:59,920 --> 01:55:01,920 That's the thing 2711 01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:03,920 If you fail it you have to 2712 01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:05,920 You get help 2713 01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:08,210 The whole thing's a joke 2714 01:55:08,210 --> 01:55:10,210 Well 2715 01:55:10,210 --> 01:55:14,210 There's some employees that 2716 01:55:14,210 --> 01:55:16,210 Are going to fail 2717 01:55:16,210 --> 01:55:19,109 Here? 2718 01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:21,109 No not here 2719 01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:23,109 We're not testing the slack board 2720 01:55:23,109 --> 01:55:25,109 Don't worry about it 2721 01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:27,109 Not here 2722 01:55:27,109 --> 01:55:29,109 Not here 2723 01:55:29,109 --> 01:55:31,109 Okay 2724 01:55:31,109 --> 01:55:33,109 So do we just 2725 01:55:33,109 --> 01:55:35,109 Kind of ignore them 2726 01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:37,300 Or 2727 01:55:37,300 --> 01:55:39,300 If it's needed 2728 01:55:39,300 --> 01:55:41,300 I have to schedule it 2729 01:55:41,300 --> 01:55:43,300 Yeah so they haven't really even said 2730 01:55:43,300 --> 01:55:45,300 Whether you have to or haven't 2731 01:55:45,300 --> 01:55:47,300 I went back and said we can't do this 2732 01:55:47,300 --> 01:55:49,300 We can't do this 2733 01:55:49,300 --> 01:55:51,300 We're a two man operation 2734 01:55:51,300 --> 01:55:53,300 We can't have our guys out 2735 01:55:53,300 --> 01:55:55,300 Go back and say we're going to wait until your mobile 2736 01:55:55,300 --> 01:55:57,300 We're behind as it is on our duties 2737 01:55:57,300 --> 01:55:59,300 You're probably going to have to call 2738 01:55:59,300 --> 01:56:01,300 Wait and then you say hey 2739 01:56:01,300 --> 01:56:03,300 What's the scope 2740 01:56:03,300 --> 01:56:05,560 If you tell me this they're still telling me that 2741 01:56:05,560 --> 01:56:07,560 Maybe you have to be crabby and call them 2742 01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:09,560 And say we're not doing it until your mobile unit 2743 01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:11,560 Is up and running 2744 01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:14,159 Yeah we can be crabby 2745 01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:16,159 Good? 2746 01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:18,159 Good try 2747 01:56:18,159 --> 01:56:20,159 The best part is that the person that comes down 2748 01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:22,159 And gives you the test doesn't even have to do it 2749 01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:24,640 Themselves 2750 01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:26,640 Because I question that because the guy that 2751 01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:28,640 Came to give me the test one day I was pretty sure 2752 01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:30,640 Was I as a guy I said do they make you do this 2753 01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:32,640 He started laughing and said 2754 01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:34,640 No I don't have to pass any of that 2755 01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:36,640 I'm putting this in your hands 2756 01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:38,640 Right 2757 01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:40,640 To trust you that you're not going to 2758 01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:42,640 Tamper with something 2759 01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:44,640 He's going to turn around and think about it 2760 01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:46,640 Yeah he's like oh I got a good one here 2761 01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:48,640 Oh I got a good one here 2762 01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:50,640 I can use this 2763 01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:52,640 Ah 2764 01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:54,640 Yeah apparently 2765 01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:56,640 So I mean 2766 01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:58,640 Our teachers are going to get tested 2767 01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:00,640 And they take care of our students every day 2768 01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:02,640 That's true 2769 01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:04,640 Fewer people are going to test it all the time 2770 01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:06,640 The teachers can 2771 01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:08,640 I mean the reason truckers like UKL 2772 01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:10,640 And I think that they're going to 2773 01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:12,640 Get tested for marijuana 2774 01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:14,640 What else 2775 01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:16,640 What else do you have Laurie 2776 01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:18,640 What else they got 2777 01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:20,640 Anybody apply for 2778 01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:22,640 DB Fiber 2779 01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:24,640 No 2780 01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:28,399 Do you want to work together 2781 01:57:28,399 --> 01:57:30,470 Ready 2782 01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:32,920 Just in case 2783 01:57:32,920 --> 01:57:37,699 What do you have for new business 2784 01:57:37,699 --> 01:57:39,699 Nothing for me 2785 01:57:39,699 --> 01:57:41,800 Use of school facility form 2786 01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:43,800 Um 2787 01:57:43,800 --> 01:58:07,500 I requested the first, all first and third Thursdays of each month, beginning September 2024 through August 2025, 6 to 9 p.m. in case there is a, our attendance here exceeds the seating capacity of the town office, that we can use the town multi-purpose room. 2788 01:58:11,029 --> 01:58:11,770 Sounds right. 2789 01:58:12,069 --> 01:58:13,149 And you were approved, right? 2790 01:58:13,409 --> 01:58:14,510 Yes, we were approved. 2791 01:58:14,510 --> 01:58:52,260 Um, Lori sent us a, what is it, Vermont 250 Anniversary Commission Party Declaration of Independence is coming in 2025, and the state would like all communities to participate somehow, whether it's big, small, so if anybody from Stanford is interested. 2792 01:58:52,579 --> 01:58:54,020 25 or 26. 2793 01:58:54,039 --> 01:58:58,510 Uh, starting in 25, finishing in 27. 2794 01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:01,300 So we have a couple years to do a party. 2795 01:59:04,399 --> 01:59:06,279 We're celebrating the $220. 2796 01:59:07,279 --> 01:59:07,840 $220. 2797 01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:09,840 Yeah, it's like. 2798 01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:11,800 Either it's $250 or not, you know? 2799 01:59:12,539 --> 01:59:14,199 It's a three-year celebration. 2800 01:59:14,319 --> 01:59:14,539 Yep. 2801 01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:15,800 Sounds like the tower is pretty. 2802 01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:16,079 Oh. 2803 01:59:17,460 --> 01:59:21,039 It's almost as long as the revolution of today, tomorrow, this year. 2804 01:59:21,039 --> 01:59:21,800 Campaign 25. 2805 01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:23,939 It's almost as long as the whole war for independence. 2806 01:59:24,300 --> 01:59:28,539 Well, it took a couple years, you know, so. 2807 01:59:28,539 --> 01:59:32,479 You think we should shoot some fireworks off, or some fountains, or something? 2808 01:59:32,479 --> 01:59:32,680 Good. 2809 01:59:33,699 --> 01:59:35,020 Okay, um. 2810 01:59:35,159 --> 01:59:37,180 Does that mean we can get new funny license plates? 2811 01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:38,319 Maybe. 2812 01:59:38,659 --> 01:59:38,760 Oh, boy. 2813 01:59:39,220 --> 01:59:39,659 Oh, God. 2814 01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:41,319 Um. 2815 01:59:41,880 --> 01:59:43,640 A dollar looks just like a quarter. 2816 01:59:44,060 --> 01:59:52,600 On Wednesday, September 18th, 10 to 1130, there's going to be a VLCT budgeting, spending, and borrowing seminar. 2817 01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:52,840 Yeah. 2818 01:59:53,439 --> 01:59:53,859 Yeah. 2819 01:59:53,859 --> 01:59:57,260 I'd like to sign up for it, if you can have it here at the town office. 2820 01:59:58,859 --> 01:59:59,119 Yep. 2821 01:59:59,899 --> 02:00:00,819 What was that one? 2822 02:00:01,500 --> 02:00:03,420 Budgeting, spending, and borrowing. 2823 02:00:04,060 --> 02:00:08,399 It's 10 to 1130 on Wednesday, September 18th. 2824 02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:21,170 Maybe we'll learn how to do bonding for payment. 2825 02:00:21,470 --> 02:00:21,770 Mm-hmm. 2826 02:00:22,270 --> 02:00:22,670 Yep. 2827 02:00:24,050 --> 02:00:26,350 Any other new business, old business guys? 2828 02:00:28,430 --> 02:00:28,909 Okay. 2829 02:00:28,909 --> 02:00:35,869 And I'd like to make a motion to go into executive session for legal matters and personnel. 2830 02:00:35,989 --> 02:00:37,729 Second. 2831 02:00:37,729 --> 02:00:38,729 All in favor? 2832 02:00:38,729 --> 02:00:39,729 Aye. 2833 02:00:39,729 --> 02:00:40,859 Aye. 2834 02:00:40,859 --> 02:00:46,579 I just want to mention, anybody who knows Cindy Candelora, there's going to be a spaghetti 2835 02:00:46,579 --> 02:00:47,579 supper Saturday night. 2836 02:00:47,579 --> 02:00:48,579 Oh, how is she doing? 2837 02:00:48,579 --> 02:00:49,579 She's home. 2838 02:00:49,579 --> 02:00:50,960 I know she had her last operation. 2839 02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:51,960 Well, not last, but another operation a couple weeks ago on her hand. 2840 02:00:51,960 --> 02:00:52,960 Mm-hmm. 2841 02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:53,960 It's going to be a long road. 2842 02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:54,960 Yeah. 2843 02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:55,960 She'll be at the dinner. 2844 02:00:55,960 --> 02:00:56,960 Yep. 2845 02:00:56,960 --> 02:00:57,960 She will? 2846 02:00:57,960 --> 02:00:59,220 Yeah. 2847 02:00:59,220 --> 02:01:00,220 I'm thinking. 2848 02:01:00,220 --> 02:01:01,220 It's for her, right? 2849 02:01:01,220 --> 02:01:02,220 Yeah, she will. 2850 02:01:02,220 --> 02:01:03,220 I think she's tough. 2851 02:01:03,220 --> 02:01:04,220 She's tough. 2852 02:01:04,220 --> 02:01:05,220 She's tough. 2853 02:01:05,220 --> 02:01:06,220 Yeah. 2854 02:01:06,220 --> 02:01:07,220 Yeah. 2855 02:01:07,500 --> 02:01:08,220 Okay. 2856 02:01:08,220 --> 02:01:09,220 Okay. 2857 02:01:09,220 --> 02:01:10,220 Okay. 2858 02:01:10,220 --> 02:01:11,220 Okay. 2859 02:01:11,220 --> 02:01:12,220 Okay. 2860 02:01:12,220 --> 02:01:13,220 Okay. 2861 02:01:13,220 --> 02:01:14,220 Yes, Jennifer, can I have your... 2862 02:01:14,220 --> 02:01:15,220 Really, go ahead. 2863 02:01:15,220 --> 02:01:16,220 Your flag right off. 2864 02:01:16,220 --> 02:01:17,220 Good night. 2865 02:01:17,220 --> 02:01:18,220 Good night. 2866 02:01:18,220 --> 02:01:19,220 Thank you, Dave. 2867 02:01:19,220 --> 02:01:20,220 Good night, Dave. 2868 02:01:20,220 --> 02:01:21,220 Maybe one day, you know, first one. 2869 02:01:21,220 --> 02:01:22,220 One day. 2870 02:01:22,220 --> 02:01:23,220 I'm sorry, can we go land? 2871 02:01:23,220 --> 02:01:24,220 But she's coming and going. 2872 02:01:24,220 --> 02:01:25,220 Maybe just for a second. 2873 02:01:25,220 --> 02:01:26,220 She's going to be in her place and... 2874 02:01:26,220 --> 02:01:27,220 I guess, the question is if she's getting a free pass. 2875 02:01:27,220 --> 02:01:28,220 That's true. 2876 02:01:28,220 --> 02:01:29,220 Yeah. 2877 02:01:29,220 --> 02:01:30,220 Can we have any... 2878 02:01:30,220 --> 02:01:31,220 Yeah. 2879 02:01:31,220 --> 02:01:32,220 I don't know. 2880 02:01:32,220 --> 02:01:33,220 Does she have you in the feed? 2881 02:01:33,220 --> 02:01:34,220 Did they ignore it? 2882 02:01:34,220 --> 02:01:35,220 No. 2883 02:01:35,220 --> 02:01:36,220 I don't know. 2884 02:01:36,220 --> 02:01:37,220 Yeah. 2885 02:01:37,220 --> 02:01:51,279 it motion to come out of executive session second all in favor uh the executive session we're just 2886 02:01:51,279 --> 02:01:59,439 going to invite sally gold to the next meeting nothing else what do we do 2887 02:02:02,029 --> 02:02:10,050 oh rate for the uh new hire does that number have to be public okay 2888 02:02:10,050 --> 02:02:15,890 we don't mention nothing about the lane sale right no no and now that we're back in open 2889 02:02:15,890 --> 02:02:22,050 meeting i should have mentioned before that i received theresa's official resignation letter 2890 02:02:23,180 --> 02:02:31,649 today don't accept it the select board should happens if you say no thank her definitely yes 2891 02:02:31,649 --> 02:02:36,770 definitely definitely would regret that she's leaving and i like this stuff like we do everybody 2892 02:02:36,770 --> 02:02:40,180 else would you send her a nice letter and give her a hug 2893 02:02:41,460 --> 02:02:45,539 i'll tell you what i'll take good care of her give her a raise at home 2894 02:02:47,460 --> 02:02:54,500 yeah all right motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second second all favor aye