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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Welcome to the meeting of the Standard Select Board.

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If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address.

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You will notice that all our meetings are recorded, and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes.

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Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and 15 minutes per topic.

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Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others.

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Select Board members present are

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Mark Dinnall

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Nancy Breschica

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Doug Wright

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John Dunn

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Bert Gamari

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Will there be any adding of items that can't wait until next meeting, or removing of items from tonight's agenda?

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I may have additional correspondence as would come in.

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Okay.

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Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, such as changing the order of items?

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Okay.

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Hearing of visitors.

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First is Dara Zink from Bennington County Regional Commission to review and adopt the Hazardous Mitigation Plan.

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Dara?

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Hello, everybody.

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So, Lori was very helpful, and she emailed out to the Select Board copies of that agenda.

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So, we have a completed Hazard Mitigation Plan.

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I did print two here, if you all want to pass it around and take a look at it.

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So, this has been a long time coming, and we're done.

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We finally got Vermont Emergency Management's approval on it.

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What happens next is it goes off to FEMA.

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They say, good job, and they send us a nice little letter back saying that it's all approved.

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So, it is in its final form now.

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The only changes that will be made.

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We'll be adding municipal adoption dates and then the FEMA adoption date on there.

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And then there is a section inside where I also have to add those dates just a few touches in.

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If anybody is curious about the contents, we basically went through every type of hazard that could happen in this town.

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And we evaluated that hazard for, you know, some historical effects and some positive and some potential climate change effects that could happen.

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We ranked all of those.

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According to priority.

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And then we created mitigation actions to help address some of the vulnerable areas here in town that could be affected by those.

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So, that is here for your review, if you would like it.

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It will be posted on BCRC's website as soon as it's fully complete.

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Stanford has its own beautiful little page on there that you guys can check out, if you would like.

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And this will be added to it.

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So, what happens when this is done is that Stanford gets it.

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Stanford gets an extra little check on further ERAF rates.

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That's the Emergency Relief Assistance Fund rates.

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So that you will get additional assistance from the state should a disaster happen and you need to fix roads and things like that within the town.

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Instead of paying a full 25% of that, you would pay less than that.

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Okay?

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That was really quick.

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I only have five minutes.

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Does anybody have any questions?

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Yes.

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Yes, Nancy.

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How long, once this is adopted.

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Yep.

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Is that tonight?

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You're adopting it tonight.

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Yes.

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Or it has to form.

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So, once it's adopted, how long will that remain in effect?

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Five years.

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Just five years.

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It seems like.

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Just five years.

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So, should we start the new one now?

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So, in about two and a half years, Vermont Emergency Management will actually reach out to you at the town level.

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And start talking to you about grant funding.

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About grant funding to do this again.

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And in order to keep it current and not let it go, you know, out of term, we just want to get started early so that we can finish it so there is no lapse in the plan.

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And so we keep Stanford's ERAP rate.

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I think COVID got in the way last time and then change of personnel.

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Yeah.

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Things, you know, things like that happen.

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But just, and of course, moving forward, I track too at my level.

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So, you'll be hearing from me as well again.

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Which I know you're all excited about.

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So, I don't know.

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So, if you are ready to adopt that tonight, there is a resolution that you're going to sign.

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And then this is the agreement between the town and BC.

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BCRC for them to do all the work.

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Which was not signed way back when they started the work.

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And get paid for.

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And get paid for.

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Motion to adopt.

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So, what happened previously is my predecessor left.

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I came on in the middle of this plan.

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So, as I continued work on it, I didn't realize that that wasn't in place.

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Or it got lost in emails between my predecessor and myself, unfortunately.

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So.

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So, where does Nancy have to sign?

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The first one?

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Then the witness, I can sign?

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The test?

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The test.

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Did we have money set aside for them?

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That was paid for by a grant.

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Right?

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A grant.

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A full grant.

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I don't think there's a separate match.

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I like that.

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Not for that.

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It's separate.

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Copy for that for you tonight.

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Take back later.

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Thanks.

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Legal.

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Done.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, everybody.

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And it was a pleasure to work with everyone.

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Bill, you put in a lot of time on that.

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Dave for fielding questions.

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Nancy can answer questions.

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So, I appreciate all of your work on that.

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You too.

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And I'll see you in two and a half years.

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Thank you, Dave.

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Next up is Bill Brown.

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Hi everyone.

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I'm sorry I couldn't see개

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I mean, I have to say, Dennis was smiling,

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He was—

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Dr.

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You want to last.

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That's great.

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Beautiful.

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Thank you.

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30 days which is september 4th you could gamble that rates are going to go down and they're going

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to adjust but basically the agreement is five percent less a half a percent less than their

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current auto loan rate so did we already pay out the 232 that we've been saving we paid out 107

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or so the cost of the chassis okay uh a month ago or so and we paid that out then to the truck

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builder because we got forty five hundred dollars roughly credit for paying it immediately rather

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than when they were finished building the truck which is a pretty good deal at this point we're

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looking at probably november but i recommend that we take these terms i just

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discussed with lori the two things they offered and at first paul kind of negotiated this for us

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uh i don't think there's on the front page there's a monthly principal interest of 45 51 17.

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what kind of auto loan they get a first interest on the title we need to wait for lori to come back

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in because she just brought to my attention that the six years

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but towns can't go out six years can only go out five years without doing a

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bond and we've never done a bond before so could they really renegotiate right

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Laurie do five years and doesn't the pound has to go to a town vote maybe I

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don't I didn't pay attention to the six years that's gonna shove that monthly

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payment right right should lower the interest rate you know I mean to pay it

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off a better interest rate I'm sure they'll negotiate back for sure in five

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years sure so if you would go back to them and see if they and then come back

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this was meant for discussion yeah

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yeah

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and if that's your desire will ask them to quote with a five-year payment 60

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months at the same terms and I'm going back to you at the next meeting to sign

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so this will be in effect when do we have to start paying this say we sign it

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next meeting when do we start paying this have to get the money which will be

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October 1st we probably will not

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not no we're committing the loan but we're probably not going to take the

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money in silver gaan Brit first payment first thing I just don't know now in

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December okay and how much a monthly payment probably about girl that probably

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about it's more than forty-five hundred yes okay so right now we don't we've got

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right now we don't we've got money we've got money so to speak like제� gradual

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in their account right yes so we can make payments November December January

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February March until March town meeting or close we can make payments we've got

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use that money set aside as a down payment along with the loan funds to

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say to pay for it so we won't have that extra money well oh how much can we pay

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out you're going to combine both of the funds to purchase the truck so we can

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ask for a first payment on January 1st at which point theoretically you have

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another $50,000 coming in in March

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you're going to have to pay for it so we don't have that extra money to pay the loan so we can ask for a first payment on January 1st at which point theoretically you have another $50,000 coming in in March

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so we'll ask for terms with first payment on January 1st right for five

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years but that was the point of getting you know I don't see you know if we go

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five years it should touch a little bit of interest but the lower of interest

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rates could be like a quarter percent by January that's it it's not going to go down a lot

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percent for auto six percent yeah I mean they're asking them to commit for 72

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months yeah and that it'll be 60 months so yeah if you come back to us next

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meeting we'll figure out how much we have left in the fire truck replacement

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fund how long payments and whatever we know that we need 270,000 and we know

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that as of the 1st of January

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there'll be another 50,000 this is this is after the money down payment we're

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going to need this right the two hundred and seven which we already saw we knew

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that the 278 is based on the money essentially that we have now and we're

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doing some

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at the firehouse if they're going to do some looking at donations for what I'm

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sorry donations that will reduce it some for the fire truck yeah it will still be

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the two assuming we get the donations that we hope for that it leads to 70.

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okay okay well good to have this ahead of time so we can yep next meeting okay

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all right thank you Bill that's it okay uh Carol

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you can hand up for visitor yeah um yeah I just wanted to know if we could have

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some gravel around the roof because it'd be a shame to let that road go because

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it's in pretty good shape now and it's you put gravel when you do the in front

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of the bridge there washed out for that purpose

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uh is this the is this the class four section

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mm-hmm on class four

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yeah it'd be kind of a shame to let it go and we might need it someday

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yeah I'd say that road's in pretty darn good shape for a class four road

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um I have zero money left for road maintenance for the summer if you guys decide you want to

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spend money there just to be fair I think you should drive around all the class four rows and

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see that I think risky Ranch is a lot worse off than Brown Brook and there's a lot more properties

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up there yeah use it so

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yeah I mean I'm not I'm just trying to be fair yeah you know there's a lot of work that could be

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done if we had the money and yeah I mean I don't think it's to the point where we're losing it I

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think there's you know maybe a rock that's picking up that I might be able to do

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yeah yeah but

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I haven't greeted that road yet here this summer

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shape this spring yeah you know priorities are we have two people you know so can and that yeah

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it doesn't wash out a lot that's why it's such a good road but it just needs a little dirt

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can we be sure to add some for next year's budget we'll have to increase it but

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that's going to be like money on that or no tough sell for this year i i'm not saying it would hurt

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to put gravel on the road i'm just saying if i was at risky ranch and heard that you were

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spending money there and went up there i'd be pretty upset you know class four roads are class

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four roads it's it rocks i mean i've been on risky ranch road for 20 years

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i have the mentality that i know that it's classical road and that being said i do see

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others when they especially they buy something up there and they go we didn't know this was

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going to be like this in the springtime or in wintertime like well you should have

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you know it's like the other day i heard it was a person that was looking at something

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on sportsman's road and didn't wanted to know if they were going to shoot guns at the sportsman's

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club no i'll just shoot arrows don't worry about that you know

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but you know i didn't i agree that you know all these roads they pay taxes you know we do take

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care of class four roads to a point uh so we do need to adjust and i think maybe when we do our

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budget we can say that's the problem is if we go up on say grab deferred the price increase that's

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going to come because it always does every year we'll just we'll go up and we won't get any more

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you know i mean we're gonna we're already gonna have a price increase on sand and salt and gravel

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and fuel and we're gonna show the budget and people are gonna say holy crap dave's budget went

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up ten percent and we didn't get anything extra we got exactly what we got last year

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so we have that you know i've been talking to people about this is

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where it's not about this year it's not about next year it's where where are we going 10 years from now

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we need to have a huge conversation just about roads this is uh accessibility just you know i

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actually mentioned it to dave i was up at the barn the other day and i said we need to find

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there has to be some kind of change in this town for taxes and we have to have more houses we have

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to allow buildings that you know these bylaws were just passed a year ago two years ago and

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i'm already saying maybe i know people don't want to have neighbors in stanford but then pay more

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we can't have it both ways it depends it depends what you're shooting for too right so if you're

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if you're getting a community of families that have a lot of kids that want to go to high school

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out of state and that kind of right you know you got a band you got to have a balance sure you got

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to have a balance of how much you develop i remember that we had someone say that it'd be

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great to have all second homes come in here because they're taxed and they don't use anything

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that sounds good on the surface but then who sits on this board 10 years from now when you have no

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you have is people with no children you know yes so who joins the fire departments and you know

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that type of thing so we you have to have community so it's a big it is a discussion

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i hate to bring up wonder road stuff it's a big discussion we're on a shoestring every year you

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know i've been sitting on this board for 10 years and seeing dave worrying about his budget and the

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town worrying about their budget and the school even this school

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like to throw 100 buslets along but they cut and cut and cut last year you know and still

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i mean one one simple move that this is just a topic that kept for a conversation that you can

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do that would change things instantly is county roads class three right class three road and you

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invest all the money that you need to invest in it and you'll have development overnight yeah that's

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what the town wanted to do um yeah so dave do you think if you regraded it and see what it looks like

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and let us know i don't think it's bad i mean i i've got class three roads that are barely that

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good i mean go up the hill beasley hill there up past there's rocks popping onto that hill and i

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gotta plow it all winter and i try to do what i can before i have to start plowing with a bucket

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or two of gravel i mean well let us take a look at the road take a ride up there i think you're gonna

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take a ride there take a ride at risky ranch i think you're gonna see that yeah a big difference

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and when um um the brown brook

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road that doesn't go all the way through right to consider the dead end class four right yeah it

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goes up there's a gate in the road right so there is no homes there other than you guys on the top

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but right now there's no residents on that road at all just john john's gravel bed you never know

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it could be on the house there now the old house up on top yeah yeah it's definitely a road that

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talking about roads that should have had a lot more thought into it

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before well i just continued a couple years ago i went up i think when they changed the name i went

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up and there was a gate on the top that's on our way that's not on the town road so can you keep

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going past that going past that you can go right by that all the way to the county road there's a

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short span that we have to develop but we haven't yet because we might lose our way on the other

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side yeah yeah yeah so that's why that's not done

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our private road up park with gravel how far up i just refreshed my memory just class

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class three stops at john bulls sandbag right there at the entrance of this right john because

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after that wasn't there a couple lots that could be developed too i mean

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yes john owns them but they could be sold as building lots

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on the left side

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right a lot before that so there's land all over stanford it's just a matter of how do you access

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it and that's the conversation about roads do you want to access it or not well right that's

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the big conversation people go on it with the horses people are driving up there all the time

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tax-based though i'm going to tell you the biggest problem you're going to have as soon

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as you start developing is the roads are already at their max they're already on hills they're

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already there so development everyone always says development more tax-based but that's

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a double-edged sword it's not necessarily the case you're going to invest more you're going to

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have to invest more in schooling and roads and infrastructure i don't see how you're ever going

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to get ahead we're talking about risky grants which is really really bad and then we're talking

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about brown brook which needs a little bit of gravel why let it go but he's always saying don't

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let the roads get that far i don't think it's that far i think if i went up there and graded just the

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hill part of it

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like that rock that's popping out yes at the end of the world but see what you think after

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you grade it all works popping out i mean the other thing is it's the time when do i invest

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there's more or less considering everything else there's almost no traffic up there versus where

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there's a bunch of traffic we have to go that way when there's when nobody takes the tree out

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i'm guessing i don't know how many how many vehicles you think whooping risky

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or even around county road

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i don't think it's a hard argument if you're going to prioritize

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if you're going to prioritize where we spend time and money yeah that's been a good cruise forever

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yeah so it's nothing against it's nothing against carol i understand what she's talking about

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let's see what happens if you grab i spend time in that one little spot instead of you

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know it's all these little things like i know it sounds simple but there's

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two of us and i'm sitting here telling you that i don't have time to deal with what she's talking

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about at this point on a priority level well okay because then the road's going to wash out going up

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to the county road right because the ditches get full and then or the culvert needs to be dug out

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or changed i got one by maria's house now that's water's coming out of the road because that color

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is no good i mean it's a never-ending there aren't culverts on there like i'd be more than happy more than happy

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to show you that we have spent quite a bit of money on that road in the past there's maybe

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one or two steel culverts left i've changed i would say four or five it's not that we've totally

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neglected that road i'd say it's almost one of the best class four roads we have in town

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there is it's just a matter of personnel and money just like everything else

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i think you need a budget

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don't you i'd be more than happy to take the whole board around and give you the picture of

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i have the picture of the whole town in my head and even if it's one at a time or two at a time

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because i only have issues with doing it more than that so we can show you what i'm working on what i

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need to be working on would it be nice to be working on what's a priority what's not i mean

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it's a it's a huge list a huge list we're working on work right now i'm trying to get a grant along

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a hazard mitigation on easter that's a 600 000 project fortunately the grant we're putting in

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for is a fully funded grant but all that stuff takes time right the amount of time that i have

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to put in you know i i'm sorry go ahead you know i actually had a conversation with a town resident

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about two weeks ago about how come we're not and they just be honest with you i don't know what

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word is it's not ignorant of they're not ignorant people it's ignorant of the facts and i told them

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i said we file for grants we apply for grants all the time that doesn't mean you're going to get them

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but it says dave and laurie are always applying constantly it doesn't mean you're always going

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to get them but we do so i don't know where you know people are trying to grab money out of thin

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air one of the things i think we should do and kurt was saying it too is uh this is a discussion

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that we have budget

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time coming up in about two months this is something we need to sit down and say and again

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the townspeople are going to go our taxes are going up yep i'm gonna i'm gonna go on a record

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right now that taxes are going up next year i'm gonna go on a record and say that and in the

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following year it's gonna go up again in 20 years from now it'll probably go up again because that's

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what taxes do prices go up i've never seen prices come the other way to the point where our town

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taxes go down you know

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it's just like dave said where are we going 10 years 15 years from now

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is it sustainable it it is in a way if we just everybody says yeah i'll pay my taxes

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okay but if people can't afford it they can't afford it we have to look in this just this year

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we have to look at this budget and say and i and i would respect you dave you're so damn

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conservative that i've heard bill who's also conservative telling you spend some more money you

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so you got two conservative guys and Bill's telling you to spend some more money. We have to look at it and say if

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Whatever the number is this amount of gravel isn't enough

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We'll budget for this amount of gravel and if we have to you know, I agree

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You know we should never let roads go to the point where it costs us a million dollars

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I get that but also I agree that there's priorities and I do

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I mean Risky Ranch Road from the bottom end isn't so too too bad. The top end

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I mean, there's a spot up there where the mud, you know, you know what it is

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They drive through the mud, they're jerks. And the culverts go like this

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The culvert's supposed to be underground and sticking up in the air, you know, he fixes it they drive over

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I just happen to see Risky Ranch a lot

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That's what we talked about before is if you fix East Road the people on the Sher Road are gonna say

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Hey, how can you fix the East Road?

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I

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Understand, you know, it's all about that. I see that but we got to look at the budget good this year

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And if it you know, it's better to go up a little bit if we went up 10%

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Let's go 12% and then it won't look so bad five years from now one like we just did these

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Re-evaluations everybody freaked out because we waited so long, you know

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It's a way of life Dave said that

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Yeah

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So okay for tonight then

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Do we agree that Dave should look at maybe when you can get to grade it?

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See what it looks like after that and we'll have this

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Discussion at budget time and how much we're gonna be putting in the budget the thing you need to consider is and I guess why I'm

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That conservative about us because it's temporary. It's all temporary, right? Yeah, these aren't permanent fixes. These are temporary

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You're throwing money for a temporary fix. Mm-hmm

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plain and simple and I to me that's you're just throwing me away because

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It may be good today

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And you can do a perfect job on it

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And then we get two or three thunderstorms

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Once somebody drives in the same spot a couple times it creates a wheelsack, right?

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And that's probably what's going on on the hill up there. It's a wheelsack right from everybody driving an exact same spot

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So if I go up and grade it or I put gravel on it in a matter of a couple weeks

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It's gonna look exactly the same way, but you do agree that you're not gonna let it go through the point of roads washed out

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No, I think they got to pick out to the point where I was like, oh boy

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I'll make it there's gonna be more work for me. If I don't do it. I'll be there

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So that's that's kind of how I look at it

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Can I make one more comment?

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The gravel yard is right there

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While I got Dave, I guess we're still talking about roads, so while I got him on the trees

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Did you ask the people that they were cut that they were picking up the trees to cut the ones up on the lane?

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They only gave me a price on it

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Okay, but you know what? He said he's gonna do it. He's gonna do it. He's gonna do it. He's gonna do it. He's gonna do it. He's gonna do it. He's gonna do it. He's gonna do it. He's gonna do it.

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They had to come back to do it anyways because they're so busy. They were here on

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Monday and they took care of the lane. They're supposed to come back tomorrow and work again

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But they've had to they've had to prioritize because they have jobs where it was dry and they needed to do them while they were dry

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So they had to leave. So they may not even finish tomorrow. I don't know

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But you did ask. The ball's in their court. Yeah, I asked them if he's supposed to get a price

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I'll probably bother him again because

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They'll they're just so busy

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Yeah, sure. That's just the way it is

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So any other visitors comments

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Okay

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Let's move on to reading and approval of records and orders

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site visit meeting of August 1st and the public hearing minutes of August 1st for the

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Class board

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Second second

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all in favor

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Regular minutes of August 1st 2024

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Motion second all in favor

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Road conditions

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I do have a grant for Jeff's in row where I got a couple

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hoping to get them done sooner than later because they have to get them paid, one of them is going to need some pay to work.

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I don't know if we mentioned the East Road Grant, but we did get a paving grant for East Road.

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I think we did.

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Because I haven't been here for a while.

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Yeah, I think we talked about that.

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I'm working on the Boggs Culver Grant, which is about a $600,000 job through the hazard mitigation program with Dara and Lori.

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What else?

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Our 2019 Freightliner is at Freightliner.

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It's got a transmission issue.

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We've been having a lot of it.

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It's getting to that age now where everything's just kind of, you know, whether it's rust or just age is getting to it now.

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So we've spent a little bit of money on that and time working on it.

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But it's up there right now.

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The shifting is off in it.

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It's an automatic.

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So we service the transmission.

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But it's still doing it.

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So they said there could be a couple different things.

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They have one part of it figured out but not the other.

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So I'm waiting to hear back on that.

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Like I said before, I have no money for any more graveling for the summer because we spent almost all of it on the mud season.

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You know, when you start talking about roads and adding houses, that's one thing that you have to decide whether are we going to spend the money or tell folks they've got to drive through it.

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You know?

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It's rare.

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Yeah, let's have a bunch of building but the roads are at their max.

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You have to have the infrastructure that's like don't put the cart before the horse type thing.

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So other than that, I don't know if you guys want to bring it back up again but I was told that the board was given some information that I don't believe is correct about town trails.

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I looked through the entire statute, the whole chapter.

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Chapter 19 and nowhere does it say anything about town right-of-ways where you can't have wheeled vehicles.

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If anything, it says that the town has control over their right-of-ways and has the right to restrict if it wants to.

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Other towns have policies on their trails.

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Some people limit, some people don't.

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The other thing to consider is that we already have residences on town trails.

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In town.

448
00:34:46,010 --> 00:34:51,579
So if that was the case, they couldn't be getting to their house.

449
00:34:51,579 --> 00:35:04,309
I think that the information that was given was possibly because of national forest policies or the state of Vermont itself trail policies.

450
00:35:04,309 --> 00:35:10,309
But town right-of-ways I believe are different and I'd like for some of you to prove me wrong.

451
00:35:10,309 --> 00:35:14,400
So we didn't change the class of that road.

452
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,400
We kept it as a class road.

453
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,400
We kept it as a class 4.

454
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,400
That jeeps can go on it.

455
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,400
ATVs can go on it.

456
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:26,329
And we just have to do minimal maintenance.

457
00:35:26,329 --> 00:35:27,329
Rill.

458
00:35:27,329 --> 00:35:34,329
So that Act 64, we're supposed to, well it's up to the good and necessity of the town.

459
00:35:34,329 --> 00:35:40,329
But that Act 64 requires rill erosion to be maintained.

460
00:35:40,329 --> 00:35:41,329
What's rill erosion?

461
00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:45,900
Rill is when water runs down the road and has nowhere to go basically.

462
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:47,900
It's above the water bar.

463
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:49,099
Yeah.

464
00:35:49,099 --> 00:35:55,099
But either way, so you kind of have to maintain the shape of the road to some extent.

465
00:35:55,099 --> 00:35:58,150
On a trail, we had no maintenance.

466
00:35:58,150 --> 00:36:09,079
My thought is if you're going to put side-by-sides, I mean I had one go by me today up on County Road and you can watch the tires chew.

467
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:15,010
You're going to have instant rill every time somebody comes along.

468
00:36:15,010 --> 00:36:18,010
On a trail, we don't have to even worry about that maintenance.

469
00:36:18,010 --> 00:36:24,260
Now, I don't know how many side-by-sides will be using that trail, but I'm guessing it's quite a few.

470
00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:29,300
And I don't know how the state of Vermont is going to move forward with enforcement on some of this.

471
00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:33,300
Right now, they're pretty lenient as far as they're not breathing down our neck with it.

472
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:38,289
But they could start sending people around to enforce it.

473
00:36:38,289 --> 00:36:45,289
And if we're going to allow that type of activity, I think it would be silly that we were responsible to maintain it at any level.

474
00:36:45,289 --> 00:36:47,420
Because you're not going to be able to keep up with it.

475
00:36:47,420 --> 00:36:48,510
And then you're going to put yourself out there.

476
00:36:48,510 --> 00:36:49,510
Yeah.

477
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:56,059
You're going to put yourself in a position where you're trying to get money or the clubs to fix it constantly.

478
00:36:56,059 --> 00:37:08,150
It just seems like the best position for the town is a trail, a town legal trail.

479
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:16,269
I still think you should seriously consider doing that if you're going to consider the side-by-side option.

480
00:37:16,269 --> 00:37:20,269
The issue with the side-by-side thing was they used the trail.

481
00:37:20,269 --> 00:37:24,269
Once you get to the tension line, where do you go from there?

482
00:37:24,269 --> 00:37:30,269
Even if we give it to you, you can ride it up to a certain point and then you're dead in the woods.

483
00:37:30,269 --> 00:37:35,619
So there's really no push to really put it to a trail. Am I wrong?

484
00:37:35,619 --> 00:37:38,619
Where are you going to go if we made it to a trail and allowed you guys to ride on it?

485
00:37:38,619 --> 00:37:41,619
Because it's a gate up there, right? Remember she said it's a gate?

486
00:37:41,619 --> 00:37:50,550
Yeah, I think that the reasoning for this discussion was to set an infrastructure.

487
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:53,550
Here it's ready, then go to the National Forest and say,

488
00:37:53,550 --> 00:37:55,550
Okay, we have this in place.

489
00:37:55,550 --> 00:38:02,550
My understanding was when we went back before we talked about changing this to a trail,

490
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:05,550
my understanding was they wanted a trail.

491
00:38:05,550 --> 00:38:10,619
Then she came and gave us this information.

492
00:38:10,619 --> 00:38:13,619
It's one of those things where it's like a doctor and a physicist talking,

493
00:38:13,619 --> 00:38:17,619
and I've got to listen to both of them. I'm neither.

494
00:38:17,619 --> 00:38:20,619
And right now I don't know what the truth is.

495
00:38:20,619 --> 00:38:23,619
I did read what Laurie passed on.

496
00:38:23,619 --> 00:38:30,539
I wanted to do what's right for the town first,

497
00:38:30,539 --> 00:38:35,539
but then this side-by-side riding,

498
00:38:35,539 --> 00:38:39,539
if it went up to Sucker Pond or whatever you want to call that trail,

499
00:38:39,539 --> 00:38:43,539
it would take the people off of County Road and put them up that way

500
00:38:43,539 --> 00:38:46,539
because right now you're right. John's right.

501
00:38:46,539 --> 00:38:50,539
They ride up through Pono, they come around the loop and around the loop.

502
00:38:50,539 --> 00:38:53,539
There's really not the riders like you think.

503
00:38:53,539 --> 00:38:55,539
There used to be when they first started.

504
00:38:55,539 --> 00:38:57,539
Now you get bored.

505
00:38:57,539 --> 00:38:59,539
It's like riding your backyard.

506
00:38:59,539 --> 00:39:00,539
You get bored.

507
00:39:00,539 --> 00:39:02,539
Nobody wants to go that way.

508
00:39:02,539 --> 00:39:07,920
But I did read what you said.

509
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,920
And what I read, I agree with you.

510
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,920
And then I got this lady from National Forest, you would think.

511
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,920
It's National. They should know what they're talking about.

512
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,300
Telling us something different.

513
00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:24,300
I want to assure, or be assured I mean,

514
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:31,300
that this road never is closed down to go from here to Pond or to Route 7

515
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:33,300
with any vehicle.

516
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:34,300
I don't care what you call it.

517
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:36,300
You can call it a path for all I care.

518
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:41,300
I just want to make sure that we can always be in control of Vietnam.

519
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:43,300
We'll go from here to there.

520
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:49,500
Because it is, to me, it's an important road if things need to be someday.

521
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:53,500
You know, whether or not we ever develop up there,

522
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,500
if we get the infrastructure, some way we had a grant,

523
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:58,500
if you put the infrastructure up there,

524
00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:01,500
that'd be a great road to have under our control.

525
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:02,500
I agree with you.

526
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:05,500
My other question would be is, and maybe you can answer this,

527
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:10,500
it seems to me that if a sled board is in power of changing a road to a trail,

528
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:13,500
wouldn't we be in power of changing a trail to a road?

529
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:14,500
Sure.

530
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:20,500
Well, then there's problems changing it back to a road from a trail.

531
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:22,719
Then you've got to have your survey.

532
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,719
When's the last time the state's been in here to look at our class 4 roads?

533
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,719
I would recommend not inviting them.

534
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,719
No.

535
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,719
Actually, if you read the report online,

536
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,719
they actually said that we have some of the best class 4 roads they've ever seen.

537
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,719
And if you go down to a trail, if you want to turn it back,

538
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,719
you're going to invite the state to come in and inspect it.

539
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,719
If you want to go back to the class 4.

540
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:46,719
I don't think they do that.

541
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,719
We've changed.

542
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:49,719
We've added mileage.

543
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:50,719
We've taken it off.

544
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,719
They just accept what we've done.

545
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,719
That's what somebody told me.

546
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,719
They're probably not going to come and inspect the roads.

547
00:40:58,719 --> 00:40:59,719
We're not.

548
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,719
Well, why don't you try to bring something?

549
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,719
It's a portion of a road.

550
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,719
You're not getting rid of the whole road.

551
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,719
And to bring it back, I think it's going to be more paperwork

552
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,719
and stuff that we want to deal with.

553
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,719
Well, I guess that's a what-if situation.

554
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,719
I understand that.

555
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,719
But it seems to me, let's be honest here,

556
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,719
it seems to me that Tom and your group,

557
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,139
want to keep a class 4 road for some reason.

558
00:41:27,139 --> 00:41:30,139
And I don't understand why at this point.

559
00:41:30,139 --> 00:41:34,139
What is the reasoning for that versus changing it?

560
00:41:34,139 --> 00:41:39,139
Because prior to this, it sounded like you guys wanted it to be a trail.

561
00:41:39,139 --> 00:41:42,139
Now we're saying it would be in our best interest as a town to be a trail.

562
00:41:42,139 --> 00:41:45,139
But now there's this walking on it.

563
00:41:45,139 --> 00:41:48,139
Well, the club never wanted it to be a trail.

564
00:41:48,139 --> 00:41:50,139
You guys had mentioned all through the map.

565
00:41:50,139 --> 00:41:52,519
The club is looking out for the interest of the town.

566
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:54,519
What's best for the town.

567
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:56,519
The club's not making any recommendations.

568
00:41:56,519 --> 00:41:59,519
See, I always thought you guys wanted this connected.

569
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:00,519
That word connected.

570
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:01,519
You can use it either way.

571
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:05,519
Because you can use a class 4 or a trail as a connector.

572
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:10,519
It has to be legally opened up to be used for ATV and other vehicles.

573
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:13,519
Now, John, you said something about side-by-side.

574
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:17,519
Is that considered bigger than an ATV and more like a...

575
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:19,519
I think it's the same thing, right?

576
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:20,710
What's that?

577
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:21,710
The ATV versus...

578
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:22,710
The ATV.

579
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:23,710
The ATV versus a side-by-side.

580
00:42:23,710 --> 00:42:24,710
It's still considered an ATV.

581
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:25,710
Yeah.

582
00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:26,710
And it is still open right now.

583
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:30,710
And under our ordinance, we said that you can ride there.

584
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:31,969
Right.

585
00:42:31,969 --> 00:42:33,969
We've already said that people can ride there.

586
00:42:33,969 --> 00:42:39,159
Well, according to the Forest Service, one of their standards...

587
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:41,159
So there would be a wording in it.

588
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:43,159
It had to be open up.

589
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:45,159
There can't be any stipulations.

590
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:46,159
Who can use it?

591
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:47,159
It has to be...

592
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:48,159
There isn't.

593
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:49,159
There isn't.

594
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:50,159
Well, residents...

595
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:51,159
Doesn't say that.

596
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:52,159
That's not true.

597
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:55,190
That was talked about in the meeting.

598
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:57,190
But then we said, all people...

599
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:59,190
Because I talked about it, about discrimination.

600
00:42:59,190 --> 00:43:00,190
Discrimination.

601
00:43:00,190 --> 00:43:03,190
And I said, all legal riding.

602
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:05,190
That was the motion that was made.

603
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:06,190
Because we want...

604
00:43:06,190 --> 00:43:11,510
There was other select board members at the time that wanted it, just for the camp owners.

605
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:13,510
They wanted it just for residents.

606
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:15,510
And then people were going, well, wait a minute.

607
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:16,510
What about my friends?

608
00:43:16,510 --> 00:43:17,510
They come up here and they say...

609
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:18,510
It's not their land.

610
00:43:18,510 --> 00:43:19,510
It's their own land.

611
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:20,510
There was no way of enforcing that.

612
00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:21,510
So we said, all legal...

613
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:22,510
All legal riders.

614
00:43:22,510 --> 00:43:23,510
But they had to have all their legal steps in place.

615
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:28,829
So I just know from experience, from being on certain trails, that there's signs in place

616
00:43:28,829 --> 00:43:37,829
that'll say, no ATVs past this point, or ATVs ride here.

617
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:42,829
I didn't see anything like that up where we did the road inspection.

618
00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:44,829
There is at the intersections.

619
00:43:44,829 --> 00:43:45,829
If you go to...

620
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:50,829
At the bottom of County Road, when it turns into a class three, there's a sign there at

621
00:43:50,829 --> 00:43:51,829
the intersection.

622
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:52,829
At the bottom of Risky Ranch Road.

623
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:57,829
Risky Ranch Road, it says you can go left coming out of Risky Ranch, but you can't go

624
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:58,829
right.

625
00:43:58,829 --> 00:43:59,829
Yeah.

626
00:43:59,829 --> 00:44:00,829
So we're...

627
00:44:00,829 --> 00:44:01,829
So how do you...

628
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:06,119
I'm just curious to how you maneuver around up there, because...

629
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:07,119
You don't.

630
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:08,119
You just go...

631
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:09,119
Not legally.

632
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:10,119
You can maneuver, but that's not legally.

633
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:11,119
No, legally you can...

634
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:12,119
No, legally you can go right around...

635
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:15,119
If you're a legal rider, you have all your state...

636
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:16,119
Vassal...

637
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:19,119
Vassal and all that crap.

638
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,119
You have all that in place.

639
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:24,119
You can ride from my camp, come out, go around the loop, come back.

640
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:29,119
You can ride down to County Road to the class four and stop and turn around.

641
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,119
You can go up to Shank Road and stop and turn around.

642
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:38,119
You can actually ride on Broad Brook if you literally dropped your ATV off on the class

643
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:44,119
four road, drove up to where you guys ended, turned back around, that's a class four road.

644
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:45,119
So we...

645
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:46,119
Our ordinance says you can ride here.

646
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:47,119
Yeah.

647
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:48,119
I don't know why anybody would want to, but, I mean, you could.

648
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:49,119
But the...

649
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:50,119
Yeah.

650
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:51,119
I don't know why anybody would want to call it.

651
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:57,119
But the thing is, is there is legal riding up there now, and that trail, or class four

652
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:01,119
road, whatever you want to call it, is part of that legal riding.

653
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:02,219
My...

654
00:45:02,219 --> 00:45:03,219
I just...

655
00:45:03,219 --> 00:45:04,219
I still...

656
00:45:04,219 --> 00:45:07,219
This is one of those things where we talk about...

657
00:45:07,219 --> 00:45:11,219
I hate to say this word, like, fighting over a sign.

658
00:45:11,219 --> 00:45:16,219
We're back and forth, back and forth, but it doesn't make sense at this point if Dave

659
00:45:16,219 --> 00:45:19,219
is saying that it's in the town's better interest to be...

660
00:45:19,219 --> 00:45:20,219
It's in the town's better interest to be a trail.

661
00:45:20,219 --> 00:45:21,219
And then we look at it.

662
00:45:21,219 --> 00:45:26,820
I looked at the writing, and we say, okay, sounds good to me.

663
00:45:26,820 --> 00:45:27,820
And then the...

664
00:45:27,820 --> 00:45:28,820
Not the state.

665
00:45:28,820 --> 00:45:29,820
The National Forest comes in and says, well, no.

666
00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:30,820
And then...

667
00:45:30,820 --> 00:45:31,820
She said something about changing...

668
00:45:31,820 --> 00:45:32,820
You know, with respect to you, Tom, I'm saying, is there a reason why we need to do this?

669
00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:33,820
She said to me.

670
00:45:33,820 --> 00:45:34,820
But the National Forest won't.

671
00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:35,820
Right.

672
00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:36,820
Well, this is what the National Forest sent us.

673
00:45:36,820 --> 00:45:37,820
Yeah.

674
00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:38,820
Yeah.

675
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:39,820
So if we wanted to apply...

676
00:45:39,820 --> 00:45:40,820
Yeah.

677
00:45:40,820 --> 00:45:41,820
Yeah.

678
00:45:41,820 --> 00:45:42,820
Yeah.

679
00:45:42,820 --> 00:45:43,820
Yeah.

680
00:45:43,820 --> 00:45:44,820
Yeah.

681
00:45:44,820 --> 00:45:45,820
Yeah.

682
00:45:45,820 --> 00:45:46,820
Yeah.

683
00:45:46,820 --> 00:45:47,889
Yeah.

684
00:45:47,889 --> 00:45:48,889
Yeah.

685
00:45:48,889 --> 00:45:49,889
Yeah.

686
00:45:49,889 --> 00:45:50,889
And then if we...

687
00:45:50,889 --> 00:45:52,670
And we apply for money for that road, as a trail, would we be allowed to?

688
00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:57,489
Because I thought that was part of the pitch that she gave us, is that we changed it from

689
00:45:57,489 --> 00:45:59,289
a class four road to a trail.

690
00:45:59,289 --> 00:46:03,730
Once it was a trail, we needed money to maintain the trail.

691
00:46:03,730 --> 00:46:05,610
Because we moved it to a trail, are we not allowed to...

692
00:46:05,610 --> 00:46:09,610
Why would we need money to maintain the trail, if we just took the money, and we just have

693
00:46:09,610 --> 00:46:10,610
to go and maintain it?

694
00:46:10,610 --> 00:46:17,409
I don't know, but that's what I believe she said when we were at the meeting.

695
00:46:17,409 --> 00:46:18,409
Right.

696
00:46:18,409 --> 00:46:19,409
The ATD quote, minimal maintenance...

697
00:46:19,409 --> 00:46:20,409
Right.

698
00:46:20,409 --> 00:46:24,530
You know I understand you have an email that says they it's the wording

699
00:46:25,659 --> 00:46:31,860
But we allow riding it sounds like we don't have to maintain it if it's a trail so why

700
00:46:33,159 --> 00:46:39,800
You guys we want to look at it. You actually go and look walk down or anybody ever been down the road

701
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:46,760
It's it's a river. It's a very bad. Well. You have to put so much money there is no maintain talk about

702
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:49,159
grading

703
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,920
Laurie has a question

704
00:47:08,260 --> 00:47:12,000
So here's my question if we change this to a trail

705
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:18,500
Can the jeeps ride on it? Yes? Yes, unless you tell them they can't right? It's the town's right away

706
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:20,239
This is not the National Forest right away

707
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:20,900
It's not the state

708
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:26,340
It's the town's right away and the town exercises control over its right-of-ways

709
00:47:26,659 --> 00:47:32,039
Now we have total control on a trail the state tells us what we have to do on a highway

710
00:47:32,780 --> 00:47:40,099
Right that is the difference is there a way to secure the survey that we have now as a road

711
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:43,340
Turn it to a trail and still document

712
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,239
It's the same

713
00:47:47,179 --> 00:47:50,659
I'm going to tell you not a survey. I'm going to tell you what comes to me

714
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:57,429
This town as long as Dave Tatro is in charge that road is not going to get maintained

715
00:47:57,429 --> 00:48:00,570
We just heard and you know I'm going to tell you

716
00:48:01,309 --> 00:48:04,030
This is not a I'm being blunt here guys

717
00:48:04,030 --> 00:48:09,349
It's true that you don't need to just pull us we don't have any money. We don't have we've got two men

718
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:11,309
We have priorities if

719
00:48:11,309 --> 00:48:17,389
Rod brook isn't a priority this piece of property is not going to be a private holy crap

720
00:48:17,389 --> 00:48:21,929
I mean. It's it's a piece of rock it's a city it's not you might as well go to a lot of property and see for yourself. You know

721
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:27,090
take care of the brook that comes down here and get in there and make that road.

722
00:48:27,090 --> 00:48:39,090
But the point that you said before was, just you know you don't have to maintain it, nobody's expecting you to maintain that, but to keep it open for the future, to connect the road to Palo Alto.

723
00:48:39,090 --> 00:48:51,090
What? And just like Tom said, if that becomes a connector road, the club will make sure that happens, because the club already said, look, the club wants the Palo Alto to be on their side.

724
00:48:51,090 --> 00:48:59,090
They're not going to say, we're going to make this a mess. They want it to be so that we can drive up there. That's not going to be a problem.

725
00:48:59,090 --> 00:49:04,150
And I truly do believe that we can bring it back if things go bad.

726
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:17,150
We can. You maintain the same right-of-way. I mean you can read, I read through the whole thing, it retains the right-of-way, whether it's a trail or, they never used to have classifications.

727
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:21,150
And the other thing that says, the other thing is, we don't want that.

728
00:49:21,150 --> 00:49:26,150
We don't get money now. It didn't say we can't maintain it, it says we don't have to maintain it.

729
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:33,150
That's, that's, so we could go down there if we had to and say, well we're going to have to go down there and make it a little nicer.

730
00:49:33,150 --> 00:49:35,150
We could, if we wanted.

731
00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:42,150
So we would have to invest money in it either way if we were to do anything down there in the future, and it's already a class four road in rough shape.

732
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:43,150
Right.

733
00:49:43,150 --> 00:49:50,150
So it would take another investment anyway, you know, if we were going to do something different down there, which we could always do in the future if we had to.

734
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:52,150
Legally we're obligated to do something now.

735
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:53,150
Right.

736
00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:55,150
That's why I would like to see the town turn into a trail.

737
00:49:55,150 --> 00:49:56,150
Right.

738
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:59,150
If they could come in and say, you know, that has to be part of the class four standards.

739
00:49:59,150 --> 00:50:02,150
If we turn into a trail, then what, what happens?

740
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:03,409
Nothing.

741
00:50:03,409 --> 00:50:04,409
Nothing.

742
00:50:04,409 --> 00:50:06,409
It's still, what's the highway number?

743
00:50:06,409 --> 00:50:07,409
Twelve.

744
00:50:07,409 --> 00:50:08,409
Twelve.

745
00:50:08,409 --> 00:50:10,409
It relieves a lot of maintenance.

746
00:50:10,409 --> 00:50:14,409
But it's not going to harm, it's not going to hurt your connection, right?

747
00:50:14,409 --> 00:50:19,409
Don't worry, it's not your trail, but if we go to apply for granted help with maintaining that in the future,

748
00:50:19,409 --> 00:50:23,539
I don't think, I don't know if we're going to get any of this.

749
00:50:23,539 --> 00:50:33,539
We're still going to use, it'll be, the process will still be Town Highway 12, whichever portion you guys open up for the connect here, and then TR 301 to the Woodford line.

750
00:50:33,539 --> 00:50:35,539
It's the only portion of the line.

751
00:50:35,539 --> 00:50:44,539
So anytime you go on other trails, I mean, I'm talking about trail trails, and you apply for grants, it'd be the same thing.

752
00:50:44,539 --> 00:50:49,539
I mean, there's, you guys are up on a stagecoach road, and you want a grant for something.

753
00:50:49,539 --> 00:50:51,539
It'd be the same type of thing, right?

754
00:50:51,539 --> 00:50:53,539
You apply for it on a stagecoach.

755
00:50:53,539 --> 00:50:54,539
Right, right.

756
00:50:54,539 --> 00:50:59,539
So if they want ATV riding, which I don't believe that the natural forest does.

757
00:50:59,539 --> 00:51:07,539
So it seems like a conversation that's almost, it's always like this big, it seems like this big wall in front of you guys.

758
00:51:07,539 --> 00:51:10,539
And I would love to help you out as much as possible.

759
00:51:10,539 --> 00:51:18,539
But it does seem like the discussion about our .3 miles of property isn't really going to help you guys much.

760
00:51:18,539 --> 00:51:20,539
At this point, you know.

761
00:51:20,539 --> 00:51:22,539
It's a piece of the puzzle.

762
00:51:22,539 --> 00:51:24,539
It's a very small piece.

763
00:51:24,539 --> 00:51:25,539
It's still one of the standards.

764
00:51:25,539 --> 00:51:26,539
Yeah.

765
00:51:26,539 --> 00:51:32,539
It's a standard to allow motor and activity on the property that has to come off the property onto an open road.

766
00:51:32,539 --> 00:51:33,539
Right.

767
00:51:33,539 --> 00:51:35,539
Another trail would be down to the bottom.

768
00:51:35,539 --> 00:51:37,539
And we're actually saying, go ahead.

769
00:51:37,539 --> 00:51:39,539
We've already said that with the class four.

770
00:51:39,539 --> 00:51:42,659
And if we change it to a trail, we're still saying, go ahead.

771
00:51:42,659 --> 00:51:44,659
Yeah, I think they just need the language.

772
00:51:44,659 --> 00:51:47,659
I'm looking at this language now that we have in our.

773
00:51:47,659 --> 00:51:55,559
Does the state give you any requirements for what you have to do to the trails that you ride in?

774
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:59,010
National Forest will set the standard.

775
00:51:59,010 --> 00:52:04,010
What does the language, when you say the language, what does that, what do you want it to say?

776
00:52:04,010 --> 00:52:06,010
I'm not saying we will do it.

777
00:52:06,010 --> 00:52:08,010
I'm saying what do you want it to say?

778
00:52:08,010 --> 00:52:13,010
Why would National Forest tell you what's got to be on our trail?

779
00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:15,010
Not on that road.

780
00:52:15,010 --> 00:52:17,010
But we can, like, 301.

781
00:52:17,010 --> 00:52:18,010
Is that what John asked?

782
00:52:18,010 --> 00:52:19,010
Is that what John asked?

783
00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:22,010
Just in general question, like trails in general.

784
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:27,010
Because, I don't know, I'm just thinking, I think it was that every 150 feet there's supposed to be a water bar.

785
00:52:27,010 --> 00:52:28,010
Correct.

786
00:52:28,010 --> 00:52:33,610
There's a standard for trails that's called, we were just talking about it.

787
00:52:33,610 --> 00:52:35,610
That's the National Forest rules.

788
00:52:35,610 --> 00:52:40,599
Well, no, it's a country-wide standard.

789
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:41,599
It's a state thing, right?

790
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:42,599
No, it's a country-wide standard.

791
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:43,599
U.S. government.

792
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:45,599
I can bring that in and show you.

793
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:50,599
So if we change that road to a trail, we would have to put in water bars every 150 feet.

794
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:54,599
No, we're not doing all that.

795
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:56,599
That's something you would take care of.

796
00:52:56,599 --> 00:52:57,599
The club would be taken care of.

797
00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:58,599
If you were coming right at it.

798
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:00,599
Right, through the maintenance.

799
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:01,599
Gotcha.

800
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:02,599
I'm just trying to understand that.

801
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:10,599
Well, maintenance would be incorporated from that section of the connector trail up into the National Forest to suck the water.

802
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:12,599
That would be some kind of maintenance.

803
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:18,789
I guess my next question is, okay, you guys are going to go in there and you're going to put this water bar in.

804
00:53:18,789 --> 00:53:19,789
It's our road.

805
00:53:19,789 --> 00:53:20,789
It's our road.

806
00:53:20,789 --> 00:53:21,789
I still have to come down here.

807
00:53:21,789 --> 00:53:22,789
You have to come down here.

808
00:53:22,789 --> 00:53:25,789
So would you have to be bonded like the people of Clowns now?

809
00:53:25,789 --> 00:53:26,860
We do.

810
00:53:26,860 --> 00:53:27,860
Okay.

811
00:53:27,860 --> 00:53:28,860
We have a $1 million, $2 million policy.

812
00:53:28,860 --> 00:53:29,860
Okay.

813
00:53:29,860 --> 00:53:34,860
And then all the plans have to come down here and you guys have to look at them and approve them before they have to do anything.

814
00:53:34,860 --> 00:53:37,860
So that's straightforward.

815
00:53:37,860 --> 00:53:38,860
That's easy.

816
00:53:38,860 --> 00:53:39,860
Yeah.

817
00:53:39,860 --> 00:53:41,860
We don't have a good trail policy.

818
00:53:41,860 --> 00:53:42,860
Right.

819
00:53:42,860 --> 00:53:43,860
No.

820
00:53:43,860 --> 00:53:47,860
Which we should because we do have people maintaining trails.

821
00:53:47,860 --> 00:53:48,860
Sure.

822
00:53:48,860 --> 00:53:49,860
At least two.

823
00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:50,860
We don't want to get hurt.

824
00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:51,860
We don't know, right?

825
00:53:51,860 --> 00:53:55,860
Well, the thing is we're not responsible for safety or maintenance.

826
00:53:55,860 --> 00:54:01,920
So the town, unless we went and did something that caused me to get hurt, we're not responsible.

827
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:11,050
But if somebody else does, you'd still want to try to protect the public from somebody doing something wrong if you could.

828
00:54:11,050 --> 00:54:16,050
We should have a policy that says if you want to maintain a trail, you have to have an agreement with the town.

829
00:54:16,050 --> 00:54:17,050
Right.

830
00:54:17,050 --> 00:54:18,050
Which is easy to do.

831
00:54:18,050 --> 00:54:19,050
We can do that.

832
00:54:19,050 --> 00:54:20,050
We don't have liability reasons.

833
00:54:20,050 --> 00:54:21,050
Right.

834
00:54:21,050 --> 00:54:22,050
We don't have any liability.

835
00:54:22,050 --> 00:54:23,050
Right.

836
00:54:23,050 --> 00:54:24,050
Well, that's on the passable.

837
00:54:24,050 --> 00:54:25,050
Dave, on Act 64, is that a law now?

838
00:54:25,050 --> 00:54:26,050
That's been a law for a while.

839
00:54:26,050 --> 00:54:27,050
So what statute is it?

840
00:54:27,050 --> 00:54:28,050
Do you know?

841
00:54:28,050 --> 00:54:29,050
I don't know.

842
00:54:29,050 --> 00:54:30,050
It's under probably 19-

843
00:54:30,050 --> 00:54:31,050
It's the Clean Water Act.

844
00:54:31,050 --> 00:54:32,050
It's the one that I get grants for every year.

845
00:54:32,050 --> 00:54:33,050
It's under the Clean Water Act?

846
00:54:33,050 --> 00:54:34,050
Yeah.

847
00:54:34,050 --> 00:54:35,050
It's within the hydraulically connected, hydraulically connected road.

848
00:54:35,050 --> 00:54:36,050
I don't know.

849
00:54:36,050 --> 00:54:37,050
I don't know.

850
00:54:37,050 --> 00:54:38,050
I don't know.

851
00:54:38,050 --> 00:54:39,050
I don't know.

852
00:54:39,050 --> 00:54:40,849
I don't know.

853
00:54:40,849 --> 00:54:41,849
I don't know.

854
00:54:41,849 --> 00:54:42,849
I don't know.

855
00:54:42,849 --> 00:54:43,849
I don't know.

856
00:54:43,849 --> 00:54:44,849
I don't know.

857
00:54:44,849 --> 00:54:45,849
I don't know.

858
00:54:45,849 --> 00:54:47,300
I don't know.

859
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:48,300
I don't know.

860
00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:49,300
Hydraulically connected road segments is what it is.

861
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:50,300
Well they make you work all over for this stuff there.

862
00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:51,300
Well, yeah.

863
00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:52,300
Treat it.

864
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:56,019
You can work here.

865
00:54:56,019 --> 00:54:56,059
You just can't find it under roads and highways.

866
00:54:56,059 --> 00:54:57,059
Yeah.

867
00:54:57,059 --> 00:54:57,900
The wording that we currently have, all riders and passengers are required tond

868
00:54:57,900 --> 00:54:59,900
and forward all state and federal regulations regarding the operation of ATVs.

869
00:54:59,900 --> 00:55:01,780
The select board reserves the right to amend or reject this authorization at any time,

870
00:55:01,780 --> 00:55:12,079
for and favor one of the road restrictions and the rest of the review in the form of

871
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:13,599
a

872
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:14,760
motion.

873
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:19,260
akov who's at the city council meeting tomorrow, the council meeting tomorrow,

874
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:19,679
the program meeting tomorrow.

875
00:55:20,019 --> 00:55:31,000
right because that does say all right right so now what I want to do is go

876
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:38,150
back to what they actually sent in the email to the National Forest Plan so

877
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:44,210
this is a Green Mountain National Forest Plan this has been out there for years

878
00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:51,469
it was in the section I'm trying to find that section as I look through this

879
00:55:51,469 --> 00:55:56,269
there's a section that she pointed out the wording has to relate to the forest

880
00:55:56,269 --> 00:56:04,000
plan and it was a little off so that's what we were trying to fix on one piece

881
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,420
that's why we need a connector and that's why we wanted to do the language

882
00:56:07,420 --> 00:56:14,260
correctly but this that issue has nothing to do with whether it's a trail

883
00:56:14,260 --> 00:56:22,150
or a class 4 road correct so is there any objection right now of changing it to a

884
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:25,420
trail because I don't want to go back

885
00:56:25,420 --> 00:56:30,170
I don't want to wait six months from now and have to do another damn site

886
00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:37,199
visit and advertise it this is the motion we made last week was that we

887
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:43,579
would keep it a class 4 until other information came up correct David's here

888
00:56:43,579 --> 00:56:49,460
now we have other information and I'm just I read what you said and it seems

889
00:56:49,460 --> 00:56:54,780
to me that it's in the best interest of the town at this point to keep or change

890
00:56:55,679 --> 00:57:02,179
it for a while if there's an objection to that I can go back to Dave's quote is

891
00:57:02,179 --> 00:57:08,340
prove me wrong and that's what I haven't heard a yet I would like to say if we do

892
00:57:08,340 --> 00:57:13,960
that that's very serious thing to change it from to have a vote on this road

893
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:20,900
changing without having it on the agenda that we're going to what it is a motion

894
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:26,059
that was open for class mean yes I agree with that but I think it should be

895
00:57:26,059 --> 00:57:31,739
Nobody came to the public meeting. Nobody came and it's just I think I want to dot my eyes cross my t's

896
00:57:31,739 --> 00:57:34,440
But that's me. I think it should be on the agenda. I just think that

897
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:40,380
I think people should be at these meetings whether there's an agenda thing or not, you know

898
00:57:41,179 --> 00:57:42,780
that I

899
00:57:42,780 --> 00:57:46,920
Have no problem waiting because it doesn't seem like it matters at this point, but it

900
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:53,139
To me to put it in the agenda and have a packed meeting of people coming in here

901
00:57:53,139 --> 00:57:59,179
You know, they they come in and yell about ATVs then you don't see them for another two years. It's like

902
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,860
They voted for us to make decisions and I personally think that we could make this decision

903
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:08,599
like that I

904
00:58:09,889 --> 00:58:13,309
Don't care if we wait and I would out of respect for you

905
00:58:13,309 --> 00:58:19,909
I'll wait but I just think that we kick things down a lot because we're worried about what the townspeople are gonna say

906
00:58:20,070 --> 00:58:21,250
well

907
00:58:21,250 --> 00:58:23,250
Then don't don't elect us

908
00:58:24,070 --> 00:58:27,389
Everything let's go ahead and make the motion with the other board

909
00:58:27,389 --> 00:58:33,389
Well, I don't have a problem out of respect for you. I wait, but I just don't I haven't heard anybody say

910
00:58:34,300 --> 00:58:36,659
Here's why we should keep it a road

911
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:43,880
It's not I think it's just matter of Prince not principle, but legality that I think it should be on the agenda

912
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:46,639
but

913
00:58:46,739 --> 00:58:53,679
I just wanted to say that are you sure that it's a good idea to take it from class for in case my share

914
00:58:54,420 --> 00:58:56,420
No

915
00:59:02,139 --> 00:59:06,300
No, you do the same thing we would have to bring it up to the standards that they don't bring it up to

916
00:59:07,539 --> 00:59:09,539
It's not a new town road

917
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,320
We're not

918
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,320
We get no money at all for a class for so that the money's off the table

919
00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:21,099
We're not obligated to maintain a trail

920
00:59:21,219 --> 00:59:24,360
so if it's a trail and we

921
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,780
Hey, we want to make it a little bit better

922
00:59:26,780 --> 00:59:28,880
We can we don't have to change back to a road

923
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,739
We could just make it a little better because we're not getting any money from the state anyway

924
00:59:32,739 --> 00:59:38,119
So we're like you're from reading the one Carol saying she's more like it's you know more of it than the class for a road

925
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:41,900
It's more like the class three road or something where you commute back and forth to Bennington

926
00:59:41,940 --> 00:59:46,639
Well, we would have to upgrade everything. Oh, yeah, we got a wide growth. We can't do that with time

927
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:48,639
That will make a serious upgrade, right?

928
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:53,599
Because everybody talks about doing class three all the way to combat down the classroom

929
00:59:54,480 --> 01:00:00,139
Because what cars for the road goes over to banking which is in the next five years probably but yeah, you know

930
01:00:00,139 --> 01:00:04,460
I mean people that want to get out of there Jimmy Williams, so it's here

931
01:00:04,619 --> 01:00:08,900
It would be nice if you could drive all the way around but in order to make that a class three road

932
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:15,280
It would right that's me. I'm gonna take this all over again. So you right now the trail for the word, right?

933
01:00:16,019 --> 01:00:18,929
to open up another trails with

934
01:00:23,309 --> 01:00:24,309
Yeah, this is like the

935
01:00:24,610 --> 01:00:25,610
first domino

936
01:00:25,610 --> 01:00:26,610
Correct

937
01:00:26,610 --> 01:00:33,869
The first for me this crawling and can I read you exactly what they want in the national forest plan?

938
01:00:34,809 --> 01:00:36,349
so

939
01:00:36,349 --> 01:00:41,530
motorized vehicle standards or that's one two, three four down to five and six seven are high limit

940
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:49,809
Summer off road vehicle trails shall be limited to connecting quarters that link sections of a larger statewide regional sub-regional

941
01:00:50,010 --> 01:00:54,050
or multi-town summer motorized trail system located off

942
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:56,340
S lands

943
01:00:56,340 --> 01:00:57,460
trail

944
01:00:57,460 --> 01:01:02,760
Terminal or trail heads for summer or B trails shall not be located on slams, which they're not

945
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:09,099
And I'm entirely or predominantly contained summer or B trail system should not be located on another slams

946
01:01:09,099 --> 01:01:11,920
That's that's the three bullets that she highlighted

947
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:14,429
They're not

948
01:01:14,429 --> 01:01:15,610
No

949
01:01:15,610 --> 01:01:22,659
And up top that's why it says the Green Mountain National Forest trail system shall remain closed to motorized vehicles unless designated

950
01:01:22,659 --> 01:01:26,099
with them right there trail there our trails are our

951
01:01:26,340 --> 01:01:29,079
Yeah, whether we call it a trail road or anything

952
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:31,079
It's our road or your world right?

953
01:01:31,539 --> 01:01:33,539
Yeah, I don't

954
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:37,860
Use on this piece because S3 says jeeps four-wheel drive cars

955
01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:43,619
and trucks and similar street-sized vehicles shall be limited to open and up S roads

956
01:01:43,619 --> 01:01:47,460
Somehow they seem to think that they can control theirs, but we can't

957
01:01:47,460 --> 01:01:48,559
Right, we're not on theirs

958
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:56,079
And they they could allow jeeps and other on their trails. They're not they're not even allowing you to walk up there with a

959
01:01:56,340 --> 01:01:58,340
Lava, yeah

960
01:01:58,340 --> 01:02:00,340
Lava

961
01:02:00,340 --> 01:02:02,340
Yeah, you can't walk your own

962
01:02:02,340 --> 01:02:04,340
You can't take your own

963
01:02:04,340 --> 01:02:06,340
They use it as a land

964
01:02:06,340 --> 01:02:08,340
Right

965
01:02:08,340 --> 01:02:10,340
That's a big another big discussion

966
01:02:10,340 --> 01:02:14,340
What was that part that they shut off and you can't go on?

967
01:02:14,340 --> 01:02:16,340
Well, they didn't shut

968
01:02:16,340 --> 01:02:18,340
Anything off

969
01:02:18,340 --> 01:02:20,340
Just sucker power

970
01:02:20,340 --> 01:02:22,340
But they do own

971
01:02:22,340 --> 01:02:24,340
Risky Ranch Road, they own that

972
01:02:24,340 --> 01:02:26,340
We don't own that guys

973
01:02:26,340 --> 01:02:28,340
And Powell sold that

974
01:02:28,340 --> 01:02:30,340
How did that happen?

975
01:02:30,340 --> 01:02:32,340
Powell

976
01:02:32,340 --> 01:02:34,340
So that wouldn't happen with this, would it?

977
01:02:34,340 --> 01:02:38,340
No, no, no, because we didn't sell anything to that

978
01:02:38,340 --> 01:02:44,340
As long as I'm on this board, I'm not selling another piece of land to a natural forest

979
01:02:44,340 --> 01:02:50,340
As for motor vehicle management including motorized trail use and maintenance shall be consistent with state laws

980
01:02:50,340 --> 01:02:54,340
All motor vehicles using forest trails shall be state safety and registration requirements and other state laws

981
01:02:54,340 --> 01:02:56,340
Forest trails

982
01:02:56,340 --> 01:02:58,340
Right

983
01:02:58,340 --> 01:03:00,340
And you know even our bylaw says

984
01:03:00,340 --> 01:03:02,340
When you ride ATV on our roads

985
01:03:02,340 --> 01:03:06,340
You have to abide by all these rules

986
01:03:06,340 --> 01:03:08,340
It's not

987
01:03:08,340 --> 01:03:10,469
Like the

988
01:03:10,469 --> 01:03:12,469
The sheriffs and the wardens are up there giving tickets out

989
01:03:12,469 --> 01:03:14,469
We can't say

990
01:03:14,469 --> 01:03:16,469
Well everybody can ride with no helmets and no license

991
01:03:16,469 --> 01:03:18,469
We can't do that

992
01:03:18,469 --> 01:03:20,469
We have to follow a state law

993
01:03:20,469 --> 01:03:22,469
Can I make a suggestion

994
01:03:22,469 --> 01:03:24,469
Because we're going back and forth back and forth

995
01:03:24,469 --> 01:03:26,469
What they want is something

996
01:03:26,469 --> 01:03:28,469
Permission should be in writing your document

997
01:03:28,469 --> 01:03:30,469
And tell me when you know us

998
01:03:30,469 --> 01:03:32,469
Which we can do

999
01:03:32,469 --> 01:03:34,469
And we are looking at long term multi year

1000
01:03:34,469 --> 01:03:36,469
Commitment to the public area

1001
01:03:36,469 --> 01:03:38,469
After these connections are open to the public

1002
01:03:38,469 --> 01:03:40,469
Then we look at the next steps

1003
01:03:40,469 --> 01:03:42,469
Then bring it up

1004
01:03:42,469 --> 01:03:44,469
And that's the next step

1005
01:03:44,469 --> 01:03:46,469
So my suggestion would be

1006
01:03:46,469 --> 01:03:48,469
If you wishy washy

1007
01:03:48,469 --> 01:03:50,469
Don't know where we're going

1008
01:03:50,469 --> 01:03:52,469
Because we don't really know the background

1009
01:03:52,469 --> 01:03:54,469
Dave Thomas

1010
01:03:54,469 --> 01:03:56,469
This part of the road

1011
01:03:56,469 --> 01:03:58,469
And it's currently this

1012
01:03:58,469 --> 01:04:00,469
But if we decide to change it to the legal trail

1013
01:04:00,469 --> 01:04:02,469
It would still conform to the same things

1014
01:04:02,469 --> 01:04:04,530
We've already put

1015
01:04:04,530 --> 01:04:06,530
That's kind of what we've got

1016
01:04:06,530 --> 01:04:08,530
We already have that

1017
01:04:08,530 --> 01:04:10,530
But that's

1018
01:04:10,530 --> 01:04:12,530
I have no problem

1019
01:04:12,530 --> 01:04:14,530
With you guys drawing up a letter

1020
01:04:14,530 --> 01:04:16,530
To the national force

1021
01:04:16,530 --> 01:04:18,530
So they can get you riding

1022
01:04:18,530 --> 01:04:20,530
But that doesn't address

1023
01:04:20,530 --> 01:04:22,530
The concern of the town

1024
01:04:22,530 --> 01:04:24,530
To me the concern of the town is

1025
01:04:24,530 --> 01:04:26,530
We're supposed to be maintaining this road

1026
01:04:26,530 --> 01:04:28,530
Minimally maintaining it

1027
01:04:28,530 --> 01:04:30,530
It's almost impossible to maintain it as it is

1028
01:04:30,530 --> 01:04:32,530
We definitely

1029
01:04:32,530 --> 01:04:34,530
Almost impossible

1030
01:04:34,530 --> 01:04:36,599
And we definitely don't have the money or man power

1031
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:38,599
Why are we waiting

1032
01:04:38,599 --> 01:04:40,599
Why can't we do exactly what you just said

1033
01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:42,599
But instead of using the word class 4 road

1034
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:44,599
Use trail

1035
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:46,599
And if it's ever changed back to class 4 road

1036
01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:48,599
It will be the same

1037
01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:50,630
Piece of land

1038
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:52,630
And you can draw that up and show it to the board

1039
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:54,630
I wouldn't have a problem with that

1040
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:56,630
Well I don't care

1041
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:58,630
Like I said you can draw a path

1042
01:04:58,630 --> 01:05:00,630
Allow the club to use that right of way

1043
01:05:00,630 --> 01:05:02,630
That .3 miles of right of way for a connector

1044
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:04,630
For their trail

1045
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:06,630
That's all you got to say it's our right of way

1046
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:08,630
The board has to open up the road

1047
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:10,630
That section of road

1048
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:12,630
They already did

1049
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:14,630
Just like with snowmobiles

1050
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:16,630
They already did though

1051
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:18,630
They did

1052
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:20,630
We did that a year ago

1053
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:22,630
What I would like to do is

1054
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:24,630
I hate to say this

1055
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:26,630
But it is

1056
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:28,630
It will change the language

1057
01:05:28,630 --> 01:05:30,659
If we do change this to a trail

1058
01:05:30,659 --> 01:05:32,659
Which I'm 90% sure

1059
01:05:32,659 --> 01:05:34,659
That's what I want to do

1060
01:05:34,659 --> 01:05:36,659
If we do change it to a trail

1061
01:05:36,659 --> 01:05:38,659
We have to go back to that

1062
01:05:38,659 --> 01:05:40,659
Motion that I made

1063
01:05:40,659 --> 01:05:42,659
About the class 4 roads

1064
01:05:42,659 --> 01:05:44,659
And change that language

1065
01:05:44,659 --> 01:05:46,659
That class 4 and trails

1066
01:05:46,659 --> 01:05:49,010
And trails

1067
01:05:49,010 --> 01:05:51,010
Are accessible

1068
01:05:51,010 --> 01:05:53,010
Are trails already accessible

1069
01:05:53,010 --> 01:05:55,329
For ATVs

1070
01:05:55,329 --> 01:05:57,329
Nothing said

1071
01:05:57,329 --> 01:05:59,329
Well we have

1072
01:05:59,329 --> 01:06:01,329
These are town trails

1073
01:06:01,329 --> 01:06:03,329
Not someone's backyard

1074
01:06:03,329 --> 01:06:05,329
I truly believe

1075
01:06:05,329 --> 01:06:07,329
Just for their part of it

1076
01:06:07,329 --> 01:06:09,329
We just have to write a letter of support

1077
01:06:09,329 --> 01:06:11,400
We support

1078
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,400
This

1079
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,400
Using this

1080
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,400
You brought that up

1081
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,400
And used the word right of way

1082
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,400
I have no problem

1083
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,400
That should

1084
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,400
Do what that is

1085
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,400
You sign a letter of support

1086
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,400
Or whatever it is

1087
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,400
We can kick this around quite a bit

1088
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,400
If we want to wait until next week

1089
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,400
I'm fine with that

1090
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,400
You guys can show me what you want

1091
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,400
I'll put that in a minute

1092
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,400
As long as we agree with it

1093
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,400
I can tell you

1094
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,400
It took me a long time

1095
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,400
To look through that whole chapter

1096
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,400
Feel free to reach out

1097
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,400
To Martina

1098
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,400
And have her show me the state statute

1099
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,400
I think she was

1100
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,400
Confusing

1101
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,400
I couldn't find

1102
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,400
Anything in there

1103
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,400
It just said the town

1104
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,400
It just says

1105
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,400
Town

1106
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,400
What I don't want to do

1107
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,400
Town trails are not considered highways

1108
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,400
Well VRCT actually has a little blurb online

1109
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,400
About it too

1110
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,400
We get a lot of advice from them

1111
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,400
I'd like to table this to the next meeting

1112
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,400
And put it on the agenda

1113
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,400
Keep it open

1114
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,400
We don't have to have another site review

1115
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,400
Table it for the next meeting

1116
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,400
Anybody wants to prove Dave's

1117
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,400
Question

1118
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,400
Have any

1119
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,400
Concerns about it

1120
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,400
And then you can draw that letter

1121
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,400
Or whatever wording you would like us to put in

1122
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,400
In a minute

1123
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,400
So we can read it

1124
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,400
Make sure we're agreeing on it

1125
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,400
Put it in a minute

1126
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,400
Satisfy both parties

1127
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,519
Go from there

1128
01:07:53,519 --> 01:07:55,519
I second that

1129
01:07:55,519 --> 01:08:01,239
We did it

1130
01:08:01,239 --> 01:08:03,239
Not even on the agenda

1131
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:05,239
Anything else

1132
01:08:05,239 --> 01:08:07,239
I'm going to say

1133
01:08:07,239 --> 01:08:09,239
On your road conditions

1134
01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:11,239
It sure is

1135
01:08:11,239 --> 01:08:13,239
That's as far down as we got

1136
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:15,239
We went from hearing of visitors down to road conditions

1137
01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:17,239
Back up to reading and approval

1138
01:08:17,239 --> 01:08:19,239
Because of Carol

1139
01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:21,239
I don't come that often

1140
01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:23,239
Anything else Dave

1141
01:08:23,239 --> 01:08:25,239
Recycling

1142
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:27,239
Anything else on recycling

1143
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:29,239
John did mention last time

1144
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:31,239
The steel container

1145
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:33,239
Yeah

1146
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:35,239
It's like overflowing

1147
01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:37,239
On the sides

1148
01:08:37,239 --> 01:08:39,239
Actually I picked it up today

1149
01:08:39,239 --> 01:08:41,239
And crushed it all

1150
01:08:41,239 --> 01:08:43,239
And inserted it

1151
01:08:43,239 --> 01:08:45,239
I left them a message

1152
01:08:45,239 --> 01:08:48,229
Who does that for

1153
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:50,229
I think the recycling area

1154
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:52,229
Is looking neater

1155
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:54,479
At some point

1156
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,479
I want you to look at that recycling center

1157
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,479
Because I have an idea

1158
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,479
That would help with the maintenance

1159
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,479
In the wintertime

1160
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,479
And I think would benefit the operators

1161
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,479
Because currently there's no electric

1162
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,479
Or heat or anything in our little shed

1163
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,479
And I believe if we move it

1164
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,479
To the other side of the recycling center

1165
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,479
There's a hole there

1166
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,479
That we use to run electric

1167
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,800
For the incinerator

1168
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,800
And then that would also

1169
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,800
Give us more room on the other side

1170
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,800
So that we could get in between

1171
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,840
Each dumpster in the wintertime

1172
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:28,840
To be pushing snow

1173
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,840
Instead of shoveling

1174
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,600
When we have to

1175
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,600
The only thing I have with that

1176
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,600
There's a lot of people that drive in there

1177
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,600
People are going to be crossing over

1178
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,600
From the dumpsters over to the shed

1179
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,760
And

1180
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,760
They cross over to their cars anyway

1181
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,760
Most of the cars are on

1182
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,760
The compactor side

1183
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,760
There is some over there

1184
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,760
But I think there would be more

1185
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,760
Foot traffic

1186
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,310
And that's the only thing I'm concerned about

1187
01:09:58,310 --> 01:10:00,310
In the wintertime

1188
01:10:00,310 --> 01:10:02,310
It's a struggle sometimes for us to get that recycling center

1189
01:10:02,310 --> 01:10:04,310
When we're having a storm

1190
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:06,310
And we've got to plow it out

1191
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:08,310
And then shovel in between all this stuff

1192
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:10,310
It's hard

1193
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:12,310
I think over there

1194
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:14,310
It does make sense with power

1195
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:16,369
When I was 29

1196
01:10:16,369 --> 01:10:18,399
I was more of a superman

1197
01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:20,399
I always go over

1198
01:10:20,399 --> 01:10:22,399
To where the people are

1199
01:10:22,399 --> 01:10:24,470
99% of the time

1200
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:26,470
Unless it's hailing

1201
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:28,470
But I mean

1202
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:30,470
I go over there

1203
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:32,470
And I can make sure that they don't have to walk over

1204
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:34,470
And then they would have

1205
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:36,470
The possibility of putting some heat

1206
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:38,470
Or something in there

1207
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:40,470
We've got to keep these guys working somehow

1208
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:42,470
Wintertime is pretty brutal up there

1209
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:46,560
I don't

1210
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,560
I don't see why

1211
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,560
You even have to ask the board

1212
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,560
Whoever is in charge of that recycling

1213
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,560
I appreciate you asking

1214
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,560
But if you think there's something better

1215
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,560
I mean

1216
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,560
We don't tell you how to manage the inside of a garage

1217
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,560
So if you want

1218
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,560
It's a change

1219
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,560
That was just my concern

1220
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,560
Getting your thoughts too is important

1221
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,560
I understand your concern

1222
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,600
People crossing back and forth

1223
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,600
I can run over there

1224
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:16,760
And make sure they know

1225
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,760
I think it's kind of chaotic anyway

1226
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,760
It is chaotic

1227
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,760
It is very bad

1228
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,760
Well it's the place to be

1229
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,079
It is

1230
01:11:27,079 --> 01:11:29,079
Okay

1231
01:11:29,079 --> 01:11:31,079
Nothing else under recycling

1232
01:11:31,079 --> 01:11:33,079
Emergency management

1233
01:11:33,079 --> 01:11:35,079
Sorry to make you wait

1234
01:11:35,079 --> 01:11:37,079
I just wanted to let the board know

1235
01:11:37,079 --> 01:11:39,079
That I've registered to

1236
01:11:39,079 --> 01:11:41,140
Take the

1237
01:11:41,140 --> 01:11:43,140
Conference

1238
01:11:43,140 --> 01:11:45,140
Vermont Emergency Preparedness Conference

1239
01:11:45,140 --> 01:11:47,140
In September for two days

1240
01:11:47,140 --> 01:11:49,140
So I'll be going out to Lake Morgue

1241
01:11:49,140 --> 01:11:51,140
To learn more about emergency management

1242
01:11:51,140 --> 01:11:53,140
Try and network a little bit up there

1243
01:11:55,140 --> 01:11:57,140
Try and do this job better

1244
01:11:59,270 --> 01:12:01,270
I just figured I'd let you guys know

1245
01:12:01,270 --> 01:12:03,270
That's what I've registered to do

1246
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:05,270
I'll be up there September 9th

1247
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:07,270
Or 10th or 11th

1248
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:09,399
Is there money

1249
01:12:09,399 --> 01:12:11,399
There is money in the budget for that

1250
01:12:11,399 --> 01:12:13,399
I believe for training

1251
01:12:13,399 --> 01:12:15,399
Okay

1252
01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:17,399
I'll give you guys a report

1253
01:12:17,399 --> 01:12:19,560
Check with Lori

1254
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:21,560
Is there any cost to sign up

1255
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,560
The

1256
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,560
The

1257
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,560
Conference is free

1258
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,560
Breakfast and lunch is free

1259
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,560
I've got a hotel room overnight

1260
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,560
Because I'm not going to travel back and forth

1261
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,560
The morning of the 1st

1262
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,680
I'll come back the 2nd

1263
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,680
And then dinner

1264
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:41,680
We'll figure it out

1265
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,680
I just want to let you guys know

1266
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,680
That I'm going to do this

1267
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:47,680
And try to

1268
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,680
Learn the job

1269
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,680
And network with the people

1270
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,680
Dealing with all kinds of problems

1271
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,680
In the middle of the state

1272
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,680
I think I'll learn a lot from that

1273
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,130
Awesome

1274
01:13:00,130 --> 01:13:02,130
Other than that I've got nothing

1275
01:13:02,130 --> 01:13:04,130
Thank you Bob

1276
01:13:04,130 --> 01:13:06,260
Discussion

1277
01:13:06,260 --> 01:13:08,260
Set tax rate for 2024

1278
01:13:08,260 --> 01:13:10,710
I don't want to come to that argument

1279
01:13:10,710 --> 01:13:12,710
Okay

1280
01:13:12,710 --> 01:13:14,710
I've got to cover a few things

1281
01:13:14,710 --> 01:13:16,710
Thank you Bill

1282
01:13:16,710 --> 01:13:18,710
Have a good night

1283
01:13:18,710 --> 01:13:22,020
So

1284
01:13:22,020 --> 01:13:24,850
We should have a sheet that looks like this

1285
01:13:24,850 --> 01:13:27,810
And

1286
01:13:27,810 --> 01:13:30,069
If you want me to walk through

1287
01:13:30,069 --> 01:13:32,479
What I did

1288
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,479
The articles that were voted in

1289
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,479
At our Marchtown meeting

1290
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,609
That's all the way

1291
01:13:38,609 --> 01:13:40,609
So

1292
01:13:40,609 --> 01:13:42,609
The top portion

1293
01:13:42,609 --> 01:13:44,609
Are the articles related to

1294
01:13:44,609 --> 01:13:46,609
Town funds

1295
01:13:46,609 --> 01:13:48,609
Our budget

1296
01:13:48,609 --> 01:13:50,609
Raising money for the cemetery

1297
01:13:50,609 --> 01:13:52,609
The library

1298
01:13:52,609 --> 01:13:54,609
The fire department

1299
01:13:54,609 --> 01:13:56,609
And then the handful of the little

1300
01:13:56,609 --> 01:13:58,609
Social service articles

1301
01:13:58,609 --> 01:14:00,800
Brock

1302
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,800
Southwestern Council on Aging

1303
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,029
Those things

1304
01:14:05,029 --> 01:14:07,119
We

1305
01:14:07,119 --> 01:14:09,119
Subtract

1306
01:14:09,119 --> 01:14:11,119
The town receipts

1307
01:14:11,119 --> 01:14:13,119
That we anticipate

1308
01:14:13,119 --> 01:14:15,119
Getting throughout the year

1309
01:14:15,119 --> 01:14:17,119
We also

1310
01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:19,119
Reduce that amount by

1311
01:14:19,119 --> 01:14:21,119
The 25% of the town fund balance used

1312
01:14:21,119 --> 01:14:23,119
The full usable

1313
01:14:23,119 --> 01:14:25,119
Fund balance

1314
01:14:25,119 --> 01:14:27,119
That the auditors determined

1315
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:29,119
For this year

1316
01:14:29,119 --> 01:14:31,350
142,945

1317
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:33,350
So 25% of that

1318
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:35,350
Is 35,700

1319
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:37,800
So

1320
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:39,800
The town needs to raise

1321
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,800
352,648

1322
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,800
And then we look at the highway

1323
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,800
The highway budget that was passed

1324
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:49,800
The article

1325
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,890
To

1326
01:14:51,890 --> 01:14:53,890
Increase the highway equipment fund

1327
01:14:53,890 --> 01:14:56,149
By 40,000

1328
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:58,149
We subtract

1329
01:14:58,149 --> 01:15:00,149
The anticipated highway receipts

1330
01:15:00,149 --> 01:15:02,149
Which is low this year

1331
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:04,500
Because the state

1332
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:06,500
Paid the highway aid early

1333
01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:08,500
Because of the fine the year before

1334
01:15:08,500 --> 01:15:10,500
Um

1335
01:15:10,500 --> 01:15:12,500
And then we add a deficit

1336
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:14,500
For its fund balance

1337
01:15:14,500 --> 01:15:16,689
So that's why there's a zero

1338
01:15:16,689 --> 01:15:18,689
So the highway funds

1339
01:15:18,689 --> 01:15:20,689
That we need to raise

1340
01:15:20,689 --> 01:15:23,010
Are 631,922

1341
01:15:23,010 --> 01:15:25,010
Which brings

1342
01:15:25,010 --> 01:15:27,010
The total amount for taxes

1343
01:15:27,010 --> 01:15:29,010
That we will need

1344
01:15:29,010 --> 01:15:31,010
Anticipated

1345
01:15:31,010 --> 01:15:33,329
984,570

1346
01:15:33,329 --> 01:15:35,329
Our grand list

1347
01:15:35,329 --> 01:15:37,329
This year

1348
01:15:37,329 --> 01:15:39,329
After the reappraisal

1349
01:15:39,329 --> 01:15:41,329
1,692,584

1350
01:15:41,329 --> 01:15:44,930
Last year's grand list

1351
01:15:44,930 --> 01:15:46,930
Was 994,000

1352
01:15:46,930 --> 01:15:48,930
So

1353
01:15:48,930 --> 01:15:50,930
It did go up significantly

1354
01:15:50,930 --> 01:15:53,279
With the reappraisal

1355
01:15:53,279 --> 01:15:55,600
Um

1356
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,600
So our proposed town tax rate

1357
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,600
Is much lower

1358
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,600
And our proposed highway rate

1359
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,079
Also much lower

1360
01:16:04,079 --> 01:16:06,079
So I would like you guys

1361
01:16:06,079 --> 01:16:08,079
To approve a town tax rate

1362
01:16:08,079 --> 01:16:10,079
Of .2084

1363
01:16:10,079 --> 01:16:12,600
On the right

1364
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,600
If you look at last year's rate

1365
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,600
It was .3731

1366
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,270
So a lot less

1367
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:21,270
Um our highway rate

1368
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:23,460
I would like you guys

1369
01:16:23,460 --> 01:16:25,460
To approve

1370
01:16:25,460 --> 01:16:27,489
.3733 this year

1371
01:16:27,489 --> 01:16:29,489
Last year it was .5751

1372
01:16:29,489 --> 01:16:31,489
And then the

1373
01:16:31,489 --> 01:16:34,000
Um

1374
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,000
Homestead and the

1375
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,000
Non-homestead rate

1376
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,000
They're set by the state anyways

1377
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,000
So it's more of an acceptance

1378
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,000
Than approval

1379
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,000
It's unconstitutional

1380
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,000
I make a motion to

1381
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,000
Set the tax rates

1382
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,869
As proposed

1383
01:16:52,869 --> 01:16:55,890
All in favor

1384
01:16:55,890 --> 01:16:57,920
Aye

1385
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,920
I just want to make one note

1386
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:01,920
That the homestead

1387
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,920
That the school rate

1388
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:05,920
Is still less this year

1389
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,920
But the school rate

1390
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,920
Will take effect next year

1391
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,920
Because our grand list

1392
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,920
This year April 1st

1393
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,819
Was a new appraisal for the town

1394
01:17:16,819 --> 01:17:18,819
And

1395
01:17:18,819 --> 01:17:20,819
We will not

1396
01:17:20,819 --> 01:17:22,819
Pay that figure

1397
01:17:22,819 --> 01:17:24,819
Until next year

1398
01:17:24,819 --> 01:17:26,819
Well until after July

1399
01:17:26,819 --> 01:17:28,920
So they have to pay on the high rate

1400
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,619
On the reappraised numbers

1401
01:17:31,619 --> 01:17:33,619
Next year

1402
01:17:33,619 --> 01:17:35,619
What's that

1403
01:17:35,619 --> 01:17:37,619
The rate won't go down this year

1404
01:17:37,619 --> 01:17:39,619
But neither does the

1405
01:17:39,619 --> 01:17:41,619
You just said the school rate won't go down

1406
01:17:41,619 --> 01:17:43,619
Until following year right

1407
01:17:43,619 --> 01:17:45,619
No the school rate is lower now

1408
01:17:45,619 --> 01:17:47,619
It's lower now but it's going to go up

1409
01:17:47,619 --> 01:17:49,880
I'm pretty sure next year

1410
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:51,880
Because everything else went down

1411
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,880
This 85 is going to go up

1412
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:55,880
Because it's going to be based on our new

1413
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,159
Evaluation

1414
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:00,159
That's my opinion

1415
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:02,159
But I'm looking in the crystal ball

1416
01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:04,159
I'm looking in the crystal ball

1417
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:06,159
It seems to me

1418
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:08,159
Ours went down dramatically

1419
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:10,159
The highways went down dramatically

1420
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:12,390
Theirs should have went down dramatically

1421
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:14,520
The rate

1422
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,520
The rate should have gone down

1423
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,550
Because the evaluation went up

1424
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:20,550
But the school doesn't

1425
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:22,550
Do the same math

1426
01:18:22,550 --> 01:18:24,550
Typically that's what should happen

1427
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:26,550
The state's involved in their math

1428
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:28,550
They got no math

1429
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:30,550
Remember funny math

1430
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:32,550
Funny math

1431
01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:34,550
It's not funny

1432
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:36,550
That's the problem this isn't funny

1433
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:38,550
I just want to say that my tax bill

1434
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:40,550
Went up $500

1435
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:42,550
This year

1436
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:44,550
The rich people should start paying

1437
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:46,550
I'm in fixed income

1438
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:48,550
I'm a senior

1439
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:50,550
I'm in fixed income

1440
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:52,550
I can see because

1441
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:54,550
I had her look at my calculations

1442
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:56,550
Before finalizing them

1443
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:58,550
And thank goodness she did

1444
01:18:58,550 --> 01:19:00,550
Well it's better to

1445
01:19:00,550 --> 01:19:02,550
See it before it goes out

1446
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:04,550
Yeah

1447
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:06,550
Second set of eyes are always best

1448
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:08,550
It's always good to have a second set

1449
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:10,550
This is the warrant

1450
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:12,550
Which I'd like to have you guys sign

1451
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:14,550
Which will allow me to

1452
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:16,550
Fill for those taxes

1453
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:18,550
If our name's on here

1454
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:20,550
You don't have to send us a bill

1455
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:22,550
We should be exempt

1456
01:19:22,550 --> 01:19:24,770
We should be exempt

1457
01:19:24,770 --> 01:19:27,859
Gotta walk up

1458
01:19:27,859 --> 01:19:29,859
Hat trails

1459
01:19:29,859 --> 01:19:31,859
Rollers

1460
01:19:31,859 --> 01:19:33,859
Twist our ankle

1461
01:19:33,859 --> 01:19:35,859
Fall on culverts

1462
01:19:35,859 --> 01:19:37,859
Fall on culverts

1463
01:19:37,859 --> 01:19:39,859
Ride all the way to Bennington

1464
01:19:39,859 --> 01:19:41,859
To look at Stanford property

1465
01:19:41,859 --> 01:19:43,859
Yeah

1466
01:19:43,859 --> 01:19:45,859
Turn around and come back

1467
01:19:45,859 --> 01:19:48,149
We looked at a camp

1468
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:50,149
Sucker Pond Road

1469
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:52,149
We gotta drive all the way to Bennington

1470
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:54,149
Natural Forest

1471
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:56,149
To block it off

1472
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:58,149
Has she ever given you a key

1473
01:19:58,149 --> 01:20:00,149
We're supposed to give a key to that gate

1474
01:20:00,149 --> 01:20:02,149
Emergency management's

1475
01:20:02,149 --> 01:20:04,470
Supposed to have a key

1476
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:06,470
There isn't even a gate

1477
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:08,470
Opposed to a guard rail crossing

1478
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:10,470
She said I'll get you a key

1479
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:12,470
So I don't know

1480
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:14,949
Can you pull up any of those

1481
01:20:14,949 --> 01:20:16,949
Sure

1482
01:20:16,949 --> 01:20:18,949
Say hey you know

1483
01:20:18,949 --> 01:20:20,949
I don't know if you got that key

1484
01:20:20,949 --> 01:20:22,949
Yeah we want to go

1485
01:20:22,949 --> 01:20:28,310
the slapboard gets our own side by side so we can go up and maintain you know evaluate not maintain

1486
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:41,829
evaluate okay um i'll set with that morning delinquent dog update any word from luke or how

1487
01:20:41,829 --> 01:20:49,760
the dog's doing are we still calling me today he sounded awful he has an awful cold um so he's not

1488
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:56,239
here but he did say he has sent out all the the next set of notices to the remaining dog owners

1489
01:20:56,239 --> 01:21:07,350
and what's there a half dozen yeah we're we only have a handful left yeah way ahead so nobody's

1490
01:21:08,850 --> 01:21:14,439
breaking had anyone come in in the two weeks since the last meeting well maybe if he sent

1491
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:20,359
this next step hopefully that's probably the ticket every year i would think tickets maybe

1492
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:22,880
but he isn't

1493
01:21:23,119 --> 01:21:28,560
in for the tickets has he because well he hasn't come in but last year he took a handful and he

1494
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:34,800
did them all himself okay i know he said he sent out all the paperwork i i guess i didn't think to

1495
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:44,239
particularly ask him if they were tickets what kind of notices he sent out okay all right

1496
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:54,920
correspondence lori so um when we send out the tax bills we normally send out a little reminder from

1497
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:56,279
slapboard of all the

1498
01:21:56,359 --> 01:22:04,439
things you want people to know and i don't know if you have any changes updates the other things

1499
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:15,779
you want to say we discussed this last year i think i think it looks fine there and hopefully

1500
01:22:15,779 --> 01:22:32,399
people would read it um is this on the website no it could be put there no doubt

1501
01:22:36,609 --> 01:22:40,770
yeah it would be good somewhere you could put it in there the only thing i have

1502
01:22:41,329 --> 01:22:48,020
number eight select board asks you to keep personal property out of highways right away

1503
01:22:48,020 --> 01:22:53,140
which is approximately 25 feet from the center of the road so kurt this is a question for you

1504
01:22:54,550 --> 01:23:01,430
why is the sign why are we saying the sign has to be 50 feet from that road this state highway

1505
01:23:01,430 --> 01:23:06,949
state that's the state law that says 50. yeah well the highway right away

1506
01:23:09,029 --> 01:23:11,750
ours is ours is our town setbacks 50 feet

1507
01:23:13,090 --> 01:23:18,130
so we should technically ask for days right away different than a town setback yeah i mean when

1508
01:23:18,130 --> 01:23:22,850
you're paid when you're placing the 25 feet from the center row that's basically 10 feet from the

1509
01:23:22,850 --> 01:23:30,239
edge of the road the road's 15 feet wide so then you technically you can place your garbage hand

1510
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:39,560
10 feet from the edge of your road is this like shrubbery is this like little things i mean

1511
01:23:40,119 --> 01:23:45,319
we're not personal property permanent structure because that would have to be some examples

1512
01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:52,119
of limited fences vehicles boats bushes boulders walls this is mainly just so when he's coming

1513
01:23:52,119 --> 01:23:57,640
around he's not annihilated and everybody's stuck right mostly garbage containers i would

1514
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:04,199
do the garbage containers are what's starting to be an issue over the last few years for sure

1515
01:24:04,199 --> 01:24:11,640
yeah i can see where you think it's confusing fences and signs one day a week you're assigned

1516
01:24:12,119 --> 01:24:15,399
out there what happens typically is they put them out the day before

1517
01:24:16,279 --> 01:24:24,199
it's like uh tag sale signs uh you know stuff like that yeah it's just nailing just have them

1518
01:24:24,199 --> 01:24:32,039
thrown back in the yard vegetables or firewood on the side don't put your foot but you're you're

1519
01:24:32,039 --> 01:24:38,920
what are you questioning no i'm just questioning i just happened to catch that but in our zoning

1520
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:44,520
bylaws it says minimum front yard 50 feet so what am i reading wrong that's for a permanent that's

1521
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:45,399
really good permanent

1522
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:51,380
structure you know 50 feet okay 50 feet from the center of the road to build they should be

1523
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:57,079
i mean we've got structures that are frankly on the wrong account and then this doesn't say

1524
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:07,079
i just wanted to make sure we had the same footage you know what i mean this says that 25

1525
01:25:07,079 --> 01:25:12,920
get your crap out of the way it doesn't say at 30 it's okay right center of the road if anyone

1526
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:16,039
ever but i've got to figure it out go ahead and tell them i mean on easter egg you're going to get

1527
01:25:16,039 --> 01:25:18,039
a bigger price technically

1528
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:24,119
well i just do i didn't want our language to be the same as in our zoning bylaws that

1529
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,640
and i just happened to catch it after all these years

1530
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:37,079
yeah before you put that over to the rest can we put a paragraph in there about the vt alert

1531
01:25:37,079 --> 01:25:41,560
and ask the residents to sign up the vt alert it's on there is one right at the top

1532
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,960
i haven't seen that so that's great thank you i think it's on the back of the

1533
01:25:46,039 --> 01:25:52,760
minutes all the time too isn't it yes i do try to put it on there yep it is thank you i appreciate

1534
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:59,909
that yeah i would just like to see it on the website i think that would be very informational

1535
01:25:59,909 --> 01:26:05,670
everything's online now yeah i think laurie's going to put it on the website right i can put

1536
01:26:05,670 --> 01:26:11,670
it on the website do you want to send out the email sign up again or are you worried about it

1537
01:26:13,890 --> 01:26:16,050
do you think a lot of people have signed up for it or

1538
01:26:18,399 --> 01:26:22,800
i'll put it this way if it doesn't cost extra postage put it in the tax bill

1539
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:29,840
isn't that on the website too yeah i like orange writing yeah yeah do you have one in the door

1540
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:48,279
yeah i mean i don't want to waste some pulses i think the email and here at the office should be

1541
01:26:48,279 --> 01:26:48,920
ample enough

1542
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:53,989
safety line maybe they don't even read these anyway so

1543
01:26:57,649 --> 01:26:59,810
you'll read the taxes just faint there

1544
01:27:01,729 --> 01:27:06,130
i think motion to go with the tax bill insert as reviewed

1545
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:12,949
all in favor okay review recycling update

1546
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:20,479
we do a lot of that last year too yep we already went through recycling it seems like we just did

1547
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:20,640
it

1548
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:21,600
it's not my least thing

1549
01:27:22,319 --> 01:27:27,199
i know because you don't go so this is just it's a little bit early because

1550
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:35,829
our cycle ends october 31st but a lot of times we wait to the last minute and then we're under

1551
01:27:35,829 --> 01:27:40,149
the gun we don't have time to really look at prices and look at things and there's just been

1552
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:45,670
a lot of talk about recycling so i didn't know if you wanted to start early mike did you find

1553
01:27:45,670 --> 01:27:51,350
out about the uh air conditioners no he's out of town he's on like this long vacation

1554
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:59,989
okay so he must be charging enough some beach somewhere so when he gets back so number four

1555
01:28:01,270 --> 01:28:07,189
can we wait till next meeting about number four are we taking these refrigerator freezer air

1556
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:12,420
conditioner dehumidifier i mean right now when we take them we're not we're losing money on

1557
01:28:12,420 --> 01:28:18,100
everything anyways but right now can we still get rid of all these things i was bringing them

1558
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:21,939
to the reach bro unless they tell me i can't but i haven't done it in a while but that's what i'm

1559
01:28:21,939 --> 01:28:27,300
saying so all these these these as long as we can get rid of them all i don't have a problem keeping

1560
01:28:27,300 --> 01:28:32,119
it on there when we find out we find out i don't think we need to wait yeah i'm just

1561
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:37,720
they're so they got so many rules and laws for this stuff i don't want to tell you it's a good

1562
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:42,359
idea or a bad idea because they change and they change it like most of the stuff when i take it

1563
01:28:42,359 --> 01:28:47,079
in it's supposed to be dated and it's supposed to be gone within so long if it's not we can get in

1564
01:28:47,079 --> 01:28:52,770
trouble i mean and they change like i said they change this stuff so if i don't know if i got the

1565
01:28:52,770 --> 01:28:57,489
most accurate info on something we don't take it we wanted to give them an option where to go and

1566
01:28:57,489 --> 01:29:03,010
you were going to find out right and if they take it i would say just approve this and then

1567
01:29:03,729 --> 01:29:09,279
that down the road i don't i don't think he's going to take a refrigerator for less than 50

1568
01:29:09,279 --> 01:29:16,260
dollars i just don't see that happening so maybe air commissioner isn't there a guy that you can

1569
01:29:16,260 --> 01:29:23,619
hire that comes and discharge the coolant and then you can dispose of the unit mr um as it would be

1570
01:29:23,699 --> 01:29:28,260
a piece of iron at that point but it doesn't have to figure out what they do those in cars

1571
01:29:30,979 --> 01:29:35,460
that you have a license tag yeah and they come but didn't your relative do it at one time

1572
01:29:40,739 --> 01:29:48,180
yeah it's probably cheaper to have a bunch from me and then ours is what that was i brought

1573
01:29:48,180 --> 01:29:53,619
three to north adams and they were all discharged and i don't have a license for discharging but they

1574
01:29:53,699 --> 01:29:55,779
they were looped. They must have leaked that one time.

1575
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:55,979
Yeah.

1576
01:29:58,659 --> 01:30:00,020
When you hit them with a hatchet,

1577
01:30:00,100 --> 01:30:01,840
when you hit them with a hatchet, they tend to leak.

1578
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,939
They charged me. They didn't give me money

1579
01:30:03,939 --> 01:30:05,920
though. I was not going to Athens. They charged me

1580
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:07,880
to get rid of them, but they didn't say. I don't think it's the same

1581
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:09,119
stuff as what it used to be.

1582
01:30:09,119 --> 01:30:10,180
It ain't what it used to be.

1583
01:30:10,899 --> 01:30:13,420
There was a guy I used to hire when I worked

1584
01:30:13,420 --> 01:30:15,560
for the housing authority and come in and

1585
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:17,859
drain out 10, 15 of them

1586
01:30:17,859 --> 01:30:19,920
at a time. Go through a lot of refrigerators.

1587
01:30:20,060 --> 01:30:21,739
Well, I guess that's expensive, but

1588
01:30:21,739 --> 01:30:23,619
they save it. It's good stuff.

1589
01:30:23,699 --> 01:30:25,239
I guess they save it for you.

1590
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,720
Like Dave said, we can't keep them on

1591
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,359
site for too long.

1592
01:30:29,699 --> 01:30:31,520
Or to make my mind

1593
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:32,420
go do.

1594
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:37,739
Let's leave number

1595
01:30:37,739 --> 01:30:39,119
four until we find out.

1596
01:30:41,739 --> 01:30:43,800
Oh yeah. I mean, there's just so many

1597
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:45,439
rules and there's so many things.

1598
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,699
The other one was we talked about

1599
01:30:47,699 --> 01:30:49,779
batteries and we

1600
01:30:49,779 --> 01:30:51,739
said at one of the previous

1601
01:30:51,739 --> 01:30:53,560
meetings that we will bring

1602
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,399
batteries to the recycling area.

1603
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,039
Should tape them. What

1604
01:30:58,039 --> 01:31:00,279
should we tape them with? Electrical tape?

1605
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:02,260
Black electrical.

1606
01:31:05,119 --> 01:31:06,420
Are you guys

1607
01:31:06,420 --> 01:31:08,060
caught up on batteries now? Do you

1608
01:31:08,060 --> 01:31:10,319
keep up with them? Yeah, pretty much

1609
01:31:10,319 --> 01:31:11,279
we are. I have

1610
01:31:11,279 --> 01:31:13,939
three quarters of a box.

1611
01:31:15,069 --> 01:31:15,890
To do or full?

1612
01:31:16,739 --> 01:31:18,720
Three quarters full and then I can

1613
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:19,539
put some more in it.

1614
01:31:19,539 --> 01:31:20,220
Yeah, okay.

1615
01:31:20,979 --> 01:31:23,600
Do you want to put that in that we want them taped

1616
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,359
or do we still want the recycling

1617
01:31:25,359 --> 01:31:26,560
crew to tape them?

1618
01:31:26,659 --> 01:31:28,800
I think if we tell them we want them taped

1619
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:29,720
they're going to come in with

1620
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:33,100
and it's supposed to be taped with black electrical tape.

1621
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,659
Maybe if somebody here and there

1622
01:31:35,659 --> 01:31:37,300
doesn't do it, a couple of them

1623
01:31:37,300 --> 01:31:38,579
we can do it.

1624
01:31:38,779 --> 01:31:40,859
It would be a big help because we don't

1625
01:31:40,859 --> 01:31:42,779
we're pretty busy usually.

1626
01:31:43,159 --> 01:31:44,840
I'll bring them back and tell them to do it.

1627
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:45,840
You do it a couple of times.

1628
01:31:46,619 --> 01:31:49,060
We don't accept them.

1629
01:31:49,260 --> 01:31:50,520
Next time we'll do it.

1630
01:31:51,159 --> 01:31:52,960
We don't accept them if you don't tape them.

1631
01:31:53,119 --> 01:31:55,800
You charge for untapped batteries.

1632
01:31:56,659 --> 01:32:03,319
Anybody that's recycling or small batteries,

1633
01:32:03,319 --> 01:32:05,520
I can't see them complaining about putting tape on it

1634
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,119
because that's a person that really cares about recycling.

1635
01:32:08,119 --> 01:32:09,500
You can't do it.

1636
01:32:09,500 --> 01:32:11,800
Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying that's someone that cares

1637
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,300
about recycling because personally, I would not sit there

1638
01:32:14,300 --> 01:32:15,260
and take my batteries.

1639
01:32:15,260 --> 01:32:16,819
I bring them down and throw them in the dumpster.

1640
01:32:17,420 --> 01:32:20,659
You know, I mean, it's just honestly, that's a person

1641
01:32:20,659 --> 01:32:22,319
that looks and goes, boy, I'm going to make sure

1642
01:32:22,319 --> 01:32:23,920
that I'm recycling everything.

1643
01:32:24,359 --> 01:32:26,420
I think if you told them to tape it, they'd be fine with it.

1644
01:32:26,659 --> 01:32:31,619
So, we should change that sentence that batteries,

1645
01:32:31,619 --> 01:32:34,520
if you're bringing batteries to the recycling area,

1646
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,699
be sure the ends, both ends are taped with black electrical tape.

1647
01:32:37,699 --> 01:32:38,819
Well, it's just the positive end.

1648
01:32:38,819 --> 01:32:39,920
Oh, just the positive end.

1649
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:40,199
Okay.

1650
01:32:40,199 --> 01:32:44,329
Can you remember that, Lori?

1651
01:32:44,329 --> 01:32:47,310
Should we say household batteries?

1652
01:32:47,310 --> 01:32:52,729
Because, yeah, I mean, is this like drill and tool batteries

1653
01:32:52,729 --> 01:32:56,640
or car batteries or there's just car batteries?

1654
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:57,239
Drill batteries.

1655
01:32:57,239 --> 01:32:57,579
Drill batteries.

1656
01:32:57,579 --> 01:32:57,739
Drill batteries.

1657
01:32:57,739 --> 01:32:57,779
Drill batteries.

1658
01:32:57,779 --> 01:32:59,020
Disposable ones.

1659
01:32:59,020 --> 01:32:59,939
Yeah.

1660
01:32:59,939 --> 01:33:03,840
Disposable alkaline or whatever the new ones are, yeah.

1661
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:07,279
So, but what we're talking about here is just household batteries.

1662
01:33:07,279 --> 01:33:08,380
Disposable.

1663
01:33:08,380 --> 01:33:10,020
Car batteries, you get money for.

1664
01:33:10,020 --> 01:33:10,279
Yeah.

1665
01:33:10,279 --> 01:33:10,680
Yeah.

1666
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,739
The other batteries up there, they're actually worth more

1667
01:33:13,739 --> 01:33:17,539
as a core towards a new one than they are scrapping, so.

1668
01:33:17,539 --> 01:33:18,079
Right.

1669
01:33:18,079 --> 01:33:22,920
Yeah. Because the state gives them money to bring back to everything.

1670
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:28,000
So, should we approve this as revised?

1671
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,560
I wanted to say one thing about recycling, though.

1672
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,500
It's getting towards the end, and I don't know if it would make it easier

1673
01:33:34,500 --> 01:33:38,369
on Lori if we had some tickets there to sell.

1674
01:33:38,369 --> 01:33:39,890
It's up to you.

1675
01:33:39,890 --> 01:33:41,689
I don't care .

1676
01:33:41,689 --> 01:33:45,329
I think we're going to stay like we're doing right now,

1677
01:33:45,329 --> 01:33:51,149
because if you read your auditor's report, I think it's in there.

1678
01:33:51,149 --> 01:33:54,029
I think it's in there, but it did speak to Lori and I

1679
01:33:54,029 --> 01:33:55,689
that we should not be selling stuff.

1680
01:33:55,689 --> 01:33:57,550
This was this thing you're talking about.

1681
01:33:57,550 --> 01:33:57,989
Yeah.

1682
01:33:57,989 --> 01:33:58,350
Yeah.

1683
01:33:58,350 --> 01:34:02,189
Yeah, you want to limit the amount of cash that's being handled as a film.

1684
01:34:02,189 --> 01:34:02,890
Right.

1685
01:34:02,890 --> 01:34:06,050
The freighter you're going to take home.

1686
01:34:06,050 --> 01:34:06,550
Yeah.

1687
01:34:06,550 --> 01:34:11,989
And if you want to read the audit report, it's going around.

1688
01:34:11,989 --> 01:34:15,279
My father went to Sarapoga Racetrack.

1689
01:34:15,279 --> 01:34:20,180
You cannot buy a hot sausage grinder with cash.

1690
01:34:20,180 --> 01:34:20,579
No.

1691
01:34:20,579 --> 01:34:22,220
You have to use a crutch.

1692
01:34:22,220 --> 01:34:23,479
Yeah, we can't use that.

1693
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:24,159
Can't use that.

1694
01:34:24,159 --> 01:34:25,380
People are taking money.

1695
01:34:25,380 --> 01:34:27,819
Lots of state markets are charging right now,

1696
01:34:27,819 --> 01:34:29,920
because they don't have cash.

1697
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:31,180
What type of bottle of water?

1698
01:34:31,180 --> 01:34:32,520
I don't know what you're talking about.

1699
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:34,119
I don't know what you're talking about.

1700
01:34:34,119 --> 01:34:36,479
Try to run a credit card machine in the middle.

1701
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:38,380
I've read some of those.

1702
01:34:38,380 --> 01:34:39,920
Yes, the one I gave you, too.

1703
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:41,159
They have reverse credit card machines.

1704
01:34:41,159 --> 01:34:42,720
The one I gave them to you already.

1705
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:46,020
You put your cash in the machine, they give you the credit card,

1706
01:34:46,020 --> 01:34:47,420
then you go buy a hot sausage.

1707
01:34:47,420 --> 01:34:49,819
Because that's saving environmentally.

1708
01:34:49,819 --> 01:34:51,020
The tickets are going to be exploited.

1709
01:34:51,020 --> 01:34:52,920
It's nothing to do with environmental guidance.

1710
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:54,159
People are going to be going to the dumpster.

1711
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:55,979
So they know what you're spending, so they get cash.

1712
01:34:55,979 --> 01:34:57,659
You have to turn them away to go.

1713
01:34:57,659 --> 01:35:00,460
They have to come down here and buy it.

1714
01:35:00,460 --> 01:35:01,659
Yeah, so there's going to be a stash,

1715
01:35:01,659 --> 01:35:02,960
because she's not open on a stash.

1716
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:06,319
No, they've been used to coming to here.

1717
01:35:06,319 --> 01:35:08,420
Plus, they can do it through mail.

1718
01:35:08,420 --> 01:35:09,960
You just put it in the machine now,

1719
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:11,800
and you load your credit card.

1720
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:16,720
And when you win a casino, it gets back on your credit card.

1721
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:17,859
You go back and play.

1722
01:35:17,859 --> 01:35:20,659
Yeah, the problem is, though,

1723
01:35:20,659 --> 01:35:25,260
every time you swipe your card, it's like 30% tip, 60% tip.

1724
01:35:25,260 --> 01:35:27,560
When they go all to the casino,

1725
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:28,520
it's the same way.

1726
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:31,060
It's all casinos are trying to do that.

1727
01:35:31,060 --> 01:35:32,359
It's like an off-tipping cash.

1728
01:35:32,359 --> 01:35:32,760
Yeah.

1729
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:33,460
So I've got a dollar on me.

1730
01:35:33,460 --> 01:35:33,960
Yeah.

1731
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:34,460
Yeah.

1732
01:35:34,460 --> 01:35:34,960
Yeah.

1733
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:36,359
They want a piece of the pie.

1734
01:35:36,359 --> 01:35:38,760
They want a piece of the pie, and they want to control you.

1735
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,260
They can turn you on or shut you off by doing that.

1736
01:35:41,260 --> 01:35:42,060
No tax on tips.

1737
01:35:42,060 --> 01:35:43,260
I mean, it's not bad.

1738
01:35:43,260 --> 01:35:44,260
No tax on tips.

1739
01:35:44,260 --> 01:35:45,560
No tax on tips.

1740
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:46,859
No matter who wins now.

1741
01:35:46,859 --> 01:35:51,760
Tipping's got to be great.

1742
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:53,359
No matter who wins, no tax on tips.

1743
01:35:53,359 --> 01:35:54,960
That's a good thing.

1744
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:56,760
It's something we've got to look forward to.

1745
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:57,399
It was initial.

1746
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:58,260
Yeah.

1747
01:35:58,260 --> 01:35:59,060
And not the check.

1748
01:35:59,060 --> 01:36:00,359
Is that what I'm supposed to do?

1749
01:36:00,359 --> 01:36:00,859
Yeah.

1750
01:36:00,859 --> 01:36:01,960
Let's not worry about the war.

1751
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,359
We're not getting taxed on tips.

1752
01:36:04,359 --> 01:36:07,859
Let me see about the mic here.

1753
01:36:07,859 --> 01:36:09,460
Yeah.

1754
01:36:09,460 --> 01:36:10,659
OK.

1755
01:36:10,659 --> 01:36:12,359
All business, Laurie.

1756
01:36:12,359 --> 01:36:14,159
Well, I have one more correspondence.

1757
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:14,659
OK.

1758
01:36:14,659 --> 01:36:17,760
A straggler uniform municipal excess weight permit

1759
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:20,659
from Beacon Sales Acquisition.

1760
01:36:20,659 --> 01:36:22,859
Who's Beacon Sales?

1761
01:36:22,859 --> 01:36:23,659
I don't know.

1762
01:36:23,659 --> 01:36:25,859
They're from Jasper, Indiana.

1763
01:36:25,859 --> 01:36:26,560
Take their money.

1764
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:27,359
Take their money.

1765
01:36:27,359 --> 01:36:28,859
They got the insurance form?

1766
01:36:28,859 --> 01:36:29,359
Yeah.

1767
01:36:29,359 --> 01:36:29,859
Yeah.

1768
01:36:29,859 --> 01:36:30,760
I got it.

1769
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:31,859
Beacon Sales.

1770
01:36:31,859 --> 01:36:32,359
Yeah.

1771
01:36:32,359 --> 01:36:34,560
I don't know if it's one of them houses.

1772
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:35,060
Crazy.

1773
01:36:35,060 --> 01:36:35,560
Yeah.

1774
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:37,060
I don't know what they do.

1775
01:36:37,060 --> 01:36:37,560
What is it?

1776
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:38,060
$10?

1777
01:36:38,060 --> 01:36:38,560
I don't know.

1778
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:39,060
Yeah.

1779
01:36:39,060 --> 01:36:41,659
Can we raise it to $20?

1780
01:36:41,659 --> 01:36:42,159
No.

1781
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:42,659
No?

1782
01:36:42,659 --> 01:36:44,060
That's state.

1783
01:36:44,060 --> 01:36:46,199
All right.

1784
01:36:46,199 --> 01:36:47,899
$10 seems cheap.

1785
01:36:47,899 --> 01:36:48,399
Yeah.

1786
01:36:48,399 --> 01:36:51,199
That's because they're not getting any of it, are they?

1787
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:51,699
No.

1788
01:36:51,699 --> 01:36:52,500
Just the pound gets the half.

1789
01:36:52,500 --> 01:36:54,000
The state was getting it at $50.

1790
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,000
They would have upped it.

1791
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:57,199
It's so they can drive over our road.

1792
01:36:57,199 --> 01:36:57,699
Yeah.

1793
01:36:57,699 --> 01:37:01,300
But we put a stipulation in there.

1794
01:37:01,300 --> 01:37:04,520
They can't go if it's muddy.

1795
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:05,319
They post the road.

1796
01:37:05,319 --> 01:37:07,020
You got a sign somewhere on there or is that it?

1797
01:37:07,020 --> 01:37:07,520
Yes, I did.

1798
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:14,500
I'll just see if there's anyone that needs to do it.

1799
01:37:14,500 --> 01:37:16,100
I have some old business or I don't know.

1800
01:37:16,100 --> 01:37:17,100
Maybe it's new business.

1801
01:37:17,100 --> 01:37:18,300
The sign.

1802
01:37:18,300 --> 01:37:19,699
Oh, that's definitely not old.

1803
01:37:19,699 --> 01:37:25,659
So I was given a quote for the sign with installation.

1804
01:37:25,659 --> 01:37:29,050
It was $850.

1805
01:37:29,050 --> 01:37:31,149
There's a few people in town that want to donate.

1806
01:37:31,149 --> 01:37:32,949
They want to make money towards it.

1807
01:37:32,949 --> 01:37:36,550
I was curious how we should handle the funds.

1808
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:41,550
Is it something we should have a little reset like an account up for and give her the money

1809
01:37:41,550 --> 01:37:48,979
and have her pay this guy or is it something I just want to go about the proper way?

1810
01:37:48,979 --> 01:37:55,180
And then put some stakes out there maybe so we can figure out where exactly it's going to go.

1811
01:37:55,180 --> 01:37:57,899
And where is it supposed to be?

1812
01:37:57,899 --> 01:37:59,899
You're saying 50 feet off the road?

1813
01:37:59,899 --> 01:38:01,500
But we have to still go through the permit.

1814
01:38:01,699 --> 01:38:02,399
That's the process.

1815
01:38:02,399 --> 01:38:03,000
Correct.

1816
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,300
So make sure we do everything right.

1817
01:38:05,300 --> 01:38:08,300
But that's, you know, that's what I was quoted for the sign.

1818
01:38:08,300 --> 01:38:10,689
And it's a start, I guess.

1819
01:38:10,689 --> 01:38:12,090
And they just want to figure out.

1820
01:38:12,090 --> 01:38:13,390
I have no problem with the funds.

1821
01:38:13,390 --> 01:38:14,189
That's easy.

1822
01:38:14,189 --> 01:38:15,289
So whatever way you want.

1823
01:38:15,289 --> 01:38:16,289
Yeah.

1824
01:38:16,289 --> 01:38:19,090
$800, I'll donate.

1825
01:38:19,090 --> 01:38:22,289
I just want them to make sure it gets handled correctly is all.

1826
01:38:22,289 --> 01:38:22,989
Yeah.

1827
01:38:22,989 --> 01:38:24,989
So we should probably go for the permit.

1828
01:38:24,989 --> 01:38:27,189
Permit.

1829
01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:29,289
I think we should do the permit.

1830
01:38:29,289 --> 01:38:31,090
Yeah.

1831
01:38:31,090 --> 01:38:31,689
Go for it.

1832
01:38:31,789 --> 01:38:35,020
Give her the, get the permit form.

1833
01:38:35,020 --> 01:38:37,720
We'll fill it out with the numbers.

1834
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:39,819
Do we need a motion?

1835
01:38:39,819 --> 01:38:41,020
Yeah.

1836
01:38:41,020 --> 01:38:45,020
Motion to file for a permit for the new sign.

1837
01:38:45,020 --> 01:38:47,439
Whatever the dimensions are.

1838
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:47,939
Yeah.

1839
01:38:47,939 --> 01:38:49,939
I think you can copy the old.

1840
01:38:49,939 --> 01:38:51,340
Laurie's got a copy of the old one.

1841
01:38:51,340 --> 01:38:53,140
Just change, copy it.

1842
01:38:53,140 --> 01:38:53,939
Yeah, I'll second it.

1843
01:38:53,939 --> 01:38:57,340
And it's just, it's going to follow the.

1844
01:38:57,340 --> 01:38:58,340
You were here last time.

1845
01:38:58,340 --> 01:38:59,739
You approved it.

1846
01:38:59,739 --> 01:39:01,439
You saw the sign last time.

1847
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:04,430
Yeah, I was owning bottles.

1848
01:39:04,430 --> 01:39:05,229
What's the material?

1849
01:39:05,229 --> 01:39:05,930
Wood, he said.

1850
01:39:05,930 --> 01:39:12,229
It's going to be cedar, cedar sign and then black lettering.

1851
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:16,729
I mean, it's still open for, you know, adjustments.

1852
01:39:16,729 --> 01:39:25,789
But, you know, we need to think about something that's going to be out in the weather, long term, non-maintenance wise.

1853
01:39:25,789 --> 01:39:26,689
What are you looking for, Sheila?

1854
01:39:26,689 --> 01:39:28,390
What do you, what color do you want?

1855
01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:30,890
Well, I thought we voted on green with yellow.

1856
01:39:30,890 --> 01:39:32,289
We didn't vote on any color.

1857
01:39:32,689 --> 01:39:34,090
We didn't pick any colors.

1858
01:39:34,090 --> 01:39:35,390
Oh, I thought you did.

1859
01:39:35,390 --> 01:39:37,539
Yeah.

1860
01:39:37,539 --> 01:39:39,140
Green with yellow.

1861
01:39:39,140 --> 01:39:42,939
I think we wanted to stick to something that's going to be.

1862
01:39:42,939 --> 01:39:44,140
Right now, we're looking for.

1863
01:39:44,140 --> 01:39:45,539
Weather resistant.

1864
01:39:45,539 --> 01:39:47,239
We'll order it in motion with a second.

1865
01:39:47,239 --> 01:39:48,039
All in favor?

1866
01:39:48,039 --> 01:39:49,439
Aye.

1867
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:52,340
Well, it meets the bylaws fine.

1868
01:39:52,340 --> 01:39:54,239
That's the most important thing, I believe.

1869
01:39:54,239 --> 01:39:56,039
Green and yellow will make your taxes go up $100.

1870
01:39:56,039 --> 01:40:00,039
I want the signed issue done before I die.

1871
01:40:00,039 --> 01:40:03,039
Well, I would just like to see it up before the beginning of school year.

1872
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:04,840
That's what I want.

1873
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:05,840
That's right.

1874
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:06,840
That's right.

1875
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:08,840
What's your friend's name, Judy?

1876
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:10,840
Judy has now entered the signed license.

1877
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:12,840
Yeah, we're going to the bus driver's office.

1878
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:13,840
Yeah, you're doing awesome.

1879
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:14,840
Awesome.

1880
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:21,840
So, how do we want to handle the funds for the?

1881
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,840
I mean, if you want to run it through her, I think that's probably the best way.

1882
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:26,340
So, people say, where did the money go?

1883
01:40:26,340 --> 01:40:28,340
If someone wants to donate money, just go see Lori.

1884
01:40:28,340 --> 01:40:29,340
Sure.

1885
01:40:29,340 --> 01:40:31,340
But we're looking to raise $850.

1886
01:40:31,340 --> 01:40:33,340
And then you just cut it off when you get the $850?

1887
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:34,840
Yep.

1888
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:35,840
Just say thank you.

1889
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:36,840
Thank you.

1890
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:37,840
We're already done.

1891
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:39,260
We're good.

1892
01:40:39,260 --> 01:40:40,260
We're good.

1893
01:40:40,260 --> 01:40:41,260
Don't let it go over.

1894
01:40:41,260 --> 01:40:42,260
Stop at $850.

1895
01:40:42,260 --> 01:40:43,260
Unless you want to buy beer for her.

1896
01:40:43,260 --> 01:40:44,260
Well, you have to sign it.

1897
01:40:44,260 --> 01:40:45,260
You have to sign it.

1898
01:40:45,260 --> 01:40:46,260
You want to tell somebody that's already gone?

1899
01:40:46,260 --> 01:40:47,260
Champagne bottle.

1900
01:40:47,260 --> 01:40:48,260
Our Christmas is over.

1901
01:40:48,260 --> 01:40:49,260
Sheila.

1902
01:40:49,260 --> 01:40:50,260
Boom.

1903
01:40:50,260 --> 01:40:51,260
All right.

1904
01:40:51,260 --> 01:40:52,260
What else?

1905
01:40:52,260 --> 01:40:53,260
Old business, Lori.

1906
01:40:53,260 --> 01:41:02,520
Do you guys want to just look at the audit at your leisure, or do you want to just look

1907
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:03,520
at the audit at your leisure?

1908
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:05,520
Do you want me to highlight some of the recommendations he had?

1909
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:06,520
I don't know.

1910
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:07,520
Now, you passed it around.

1911
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:08,520
They signed it.

1912
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:09,520
Yeah.

1913
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:10,520
They signed it.

1914
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:11,520
I briefed her.

1915
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:12,520
I put a check out.

1916
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:13,520
Yeah.

1917
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:14,520
I briefed her.

1918
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:15,520
I did.

1919
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:16,520
I briefed her on the recycling thing, worried about the money at the recycling center.

1920
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:17,520
Yeah.

1921
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:18,520
So, Kim.

1922
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:19,520
Right.

1923
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:20,520
They want to make sure we have a good way to make sure all money received at the recycling

1924
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:21,520
center comes to me.

1925
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:22,520
I think we have receipts that are all numbered.

1926
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:23,520
I track all the numbers.

1927
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:24,520
Everything is.

1928
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:25,520
Okay.

1929
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:26,520
All right.

1930
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:27,520
All right.

1931
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:28,520
All right.

1932
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:29,520
All right.

1933
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:30,520
All right.

1934
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:31,520
All right.

1935
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:32,520
All right.

1936
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:33,520
All right.

1937
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:34,680
All right.

1938
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:35,680
All right.

1939
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:36,680
You want to know if they're doing good there?

1940
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:37,680
I think that works out well.

1941
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:40,680
One of the things they wanted me to change is any time I put a journal entry in the computer,

1942
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:55,680
they want me to document why I'm doing the journal entry, and they want me to have you

1943
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:56,680
see it.

1944
01:41:56,680 --> 01:42:01,680
So I think what I'll do is when you guys get the bank statement reconciliation report,

1945
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:02,680
I'll just include all of the journal entries that needed to be included in the check book

1946
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:03,680
and I'll put them in the check book.

1947
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:11,439
be done and that way you guys can stay on top of that one of their recommendations is that the

1948
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:19,119
library funds be merged in with the town funds and i did go to one of their library trustee meetings

1949
01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:27,260
and talk to them about that they recommended we have like 10 different little funds for every

1950
01:42:27,260 --> 01:42:35,979
thing and they'd like to see everything merged into one fund i met with two different banks to

1951
01:42:35,979 --> 01:42:45,739
discuss that the bank really didn't think that was the best idea they feel like operating funds

1952
01:42:45,739 --> 01:42:51,819
should be kept here and saving funds really should be kept here and an account where you

1953
01:42:51,819 --> 01:42:57,420
can really maximize your savings the auditor's thought was if it's all

1954
01:42:57,579 --> 01:43:03,899
one big pot then we probably don't have to borrow in index anticipation of taxes every year because

1955
01:43:04,859 --> 01:43:12,800
all the money is there where what's the difference if we have two accounts with one account the money

1956
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:19,470
is either there or it's not well i have a a money market account and then the operating account so

1957
01:43:19,470 --> 01:43:24,109
the operating account is small and then the money market sits here and i can't take the money out

1958
01:43:24,109 --> 01:43:28,270
but then we have a fire department account and the future needs fund

1959
01:43:28,270 --> 01:43:28,350
and

1960
01:43:28,510 --> 01:43:35,069
you have the you know the invested funds and all these other funds dave's highway funds

1961
01:43:35,069 --> 01:43:38,350
so there's you know right fifty thousand here a hundred thousand years

1962
01:43:40,029 --> 01:43:47,550
but if we have we know what our operating expense is and let's just say it's five hundred thousand

1963
01:43:47,550 --> 01:43:53,149
dollars and we keep six hundred thousand and we have the cushion anything extra

1964
01:43:53,789 --> 01:43:58,270
the bank's right put it in the money markets and make money with your money we just it's a

1965
01:43:58,270 --> 01:44:05,869
we just did this at the church we had all these accounts and you can't you can't take it and put

1966
01:44:05,869 --> 01:44:11,550
it in these money markets at five percent interest right now well that's good money when you're

1967
01:44:11,550 --> 01:44:16,590
putting five hundred thousand dollars right so i think the bank's right but you don't want to

1968
01:44:17,310 --> 01:44:20,430
get to the point where you're operating expenses you're going back to that money

1969
01:44:20,430 --> 01:44:25,229
market and getting penalized to take out so you have to kind of know where your cushion is

1970
01:44:26,199 --> 01:44:27,640
that make sense yeah

1971
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:34,170
yeah it's yeah i guess it takes some more thinking of what is really best for the town

1972
01:44:34,170 --> 01:44:38,489
i mean it's a recommendation right that's right it's a recommendation and that's what i think we

1973
01:44:38,489 --> 01:44:44,250
should do is look at it but don't worry about those people but look at it as a town and say

1974
01:44:44,810 --> 01:44:48,970
if we're making if we can make money on our own money that's the best thing for the town

1975
01:44:49,529 --> 01:44:54,010
if we can't which we might not have in savings who knows you know so you know it might be

1976
01:44:54,569 --> 01:44:58,250
this operating money it's not savings it's never going to stay there long enough to be

1977
01:44:58,250 --> 01:45:05,130
a savings you know but if we do have some and continue to do that that's my thought yeah well

1978
01:45:05,130 --> 01:45:10,970
when you look at the town report i have like three pages of various accounts you know and they're all

1979
01:45:10,970 --> 01:45:18,250
separate accounts so i can't unless i pull from each different account so that i have enough money

1980
01:45:18,250 --> 01:45:24,359
to run the town i mean if it takes you more time than it's worth it's not worth it either

1981
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,800
if it's bogging you down to the point where

1982
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:34,600
you're saving nothing you know yeah and his thought is i'm reconciling like 12 different

1983
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:40,119
accounts as opposed to just reconciling one i mean my time and energy to deal with all those

1984
01:45:40,119 --> 01:45:46,439
little accounts right you know it's something to think about but you know the banks have a

1985
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:55,310
different viewpoint of putting all your eggs in one basket isn't always bad right so yeah

1986
01:45:55,869 --> 01:45:58,750
i don't know maybe some things make sense to put together and other things

1987
01:45:59,069 --> 01:46:04,670
i think you should it's kind of what you think too i mean if you look and say okay

1988
01:46:06,189 --> 01:46:09,390
like like you said there's going to be some accounts you just don't say isn't it going to

1989
01:46:09,390 --> 01:46:15,149
be harder if you want it that's all in one basket what did the library say when you didn't ask them

1990
01:46:15,149 --> 01:46:23,229
about this did they think it was a good idea but they're okay with it um they use a debit card

1991
01:46:24,109 --> 01:46:28,350
um so that you know when they have their ice cream socials they can just run down to walmart and

1992
01:46:28,829 --> 01:46:34,270
yeah buy what they need to buy and it's important for them to continue to have that purchasing power

1993
01:46:35,390 --> 01:46:42,430
both banks said debit card no way that's a risk that you're opening your whole funds

1994
01:46:42,989 --> 01:46:47,869
to that debit card but a credit card would be fine which i think would serve the library's purpose

1995
01:46:47,869 --> 01:46:52,590
that's one thing that i was going to recommend down the road is like dave goes down to these

1996
01:46:52,590 --> 01:46:58,109
places and i don't know if you have accounts at every place but accounts make zero money so you

1997
01:46:58,829 --> 01:47:04,510
want to have your parents certainly if you're goddamn convenient because zero money you have

1998
01:47:04,510 --> 01:47:10,430
your accounts at your business россia not

1999
01:47:10,430 --> 01:47:14,109
zero but if they're convenient but they make zero money i have a lot of accounts in my business

2000
01:47:14,909 --> 01:47:21,390
adam's community set me up with a business credit card there's a limit so we can limit him to

2001
01:47:21,390 --> 01:47:26,670
whatever that limit is that we told him he can spend anyway so we say factory editor

2002
01:47:26,670 --> 01:47:26,689
at the auto places and you ought to think about the cost right now this is it that's

2003
01:47:26,689 --> 01:47:27,029
i'm gonna give you a common idea as i klassie talking to these guys

2004
01:47:27,029 --> 01:47:31,829
the auto places and you and there's different programs so you could like I have one for

2005
01:47:31,829 --> 01:47:37,529
entertainment you go out to dinner so if I take a client out to dinner I get three percent of my

2006
01:47:37,529 --> 01:47:44,810
money and they're charging me no money for using it unless I don't pay it which you just pay it

2007
01:47:44,810 --> 01:47:50,310
on time all the time which is easy but you're talking three percent every time you go down

2008
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:56,430
you buy something or even if it's one percent it adds up huge we should start looking at that

2009
01:47:56,430 --> 01:48:03,819
for especially for Dave he does have his phone I have one I think it's got a thousand do you have

2010
01:48:03,819 --> 01:48:09,819
the cash back yeah you gotta look at that there's a lot of them out there and there's some real good

2011
01:48:09,819 --> 01:48:16,680
deals especially fuel fuel is huge you know you're gonna I mean I know you guys got a thing here but

2012
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:20,680
if you pay it with a credit card it doesn't matter if you get it delivered here or you

2013
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:26,930
gotta go downtown to do it like I Wes oil I pay them with my credit card I get three percent

2014
01:48:26,930 --> 01:48:26,949
you

2015
01:48:26,970 --> 01:48:35,510
West up they give me a 10% discount for paying early and I get three percent on my credit card

2016
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:44,489
to me that makes sense but I did notice too Dave that your credit card slips are matching up your

2017
01:48:44,489 --> 01:48:50,390
slips you're finding your slips or keeping your slips yeah the auditors the auditors have

2018
01:48:50,390 --> 01:48:55,989
recommended that they have to match and I noticed that most of them are there now well most of them

2019
01:48:55,989 --> 01:48:56,850
are emailed now

2020
01:48:57,159 --> 01:49:03,659
yeah yeah so I can't take credit for that yeah well even if you have a bag in your vehicle yeah it's hard I mean you

2021
01:49:03,659 --> 01:49:20,640
have to yeah sometimes I end up in my pocket and you know I don't do laundry so they're gone and yeah so what else do we have I guess on the banks just see how it works out yeah I think if you see that you can do things you don't have to jump at it right away

2022
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:21,600
real

2023
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:27,060
and John asked how do you keep

2024
01:49:27,060 --> 01:49:30,539
track of it well when she runs it through the computer she says library

2025
01:49:30,539 --> 01:49:31,359
fund I mean it's

2026
01:49:31,359 --> 01:49:34,060
It's like a quick book so

2027
01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:43,319
So we have a powerful fund accounting system which is saud in order to be able to track multiple different funds and that's what the accountant said if youre not utilizing the system

2028
01:49:45,140 --> 01:49:49,840
you're doing all the work with all these little funds that the system itself

2029
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:56,460
could be doing for you because it has the ability, if we're just not utilizing the software

2030
01:49:56,460 --> 01:50:06,010
right okay what else do you have on the audit lori um that's that's how i know

2031
01:50:06,010 --> 01:50:12,449
okay they did say the town does not have a fraud policy in place recommendation

2032
01:50:12,449 --> 01:50:20,550
recommend documentation of internal control systems that takes a lot of time

2033
01:50:20,550 --> 01:50:30,319
um your accounting procedure manual you have some of that yeah and review of invoices

2034
01:50:30,319 --> 01:50:37,050
the town school district bills for the town but they're both it's better now

2035
01:50:37,050 --> 01:50:44,710
no they have not billed me for six months so well we're in august so

2036
01:50:44,710 --> 01:50:52,409
maybe it'll get better they said i want you back with no supporting documents and i asked for it

2037
01:50:52,409 --> 01:50:53,890
i'm not getting it

2038
01:50:53,890 --> 01:51:00,329
i want you back in the school board show because i said i want you back in the school board because

2039
01:51:00,329 --> 01:51:06,520
nothing went by you without a slip and everything okay not the way it is now

2040
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:18,210
all right anything else all business lori not for me no uh i have dv fiber anybody apply for

2041
01:51:18,210 --> 01:51:25,800
okay there's money out there in application if anybody wants to apply for

2042
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:25,880
okay there's money out there in application if anybody wants to apply for

2043
01:51:25,899 --> 01:51:37,760
financial aid to hook up their dv fiber lori has the applications um anything else for old business guys

2044
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:45,159
just uh i'm sorry go ahead dude just real quick uh state troopers have made a couple more visits to town

2045
01:51:45,159 --> 01:51:51,710
uh last night i was coming back from wilmington and they weren't in our town they're right on the line here

2046
01:51:51,710 --> 01:51:57,949
the guy the guy is uh he lives up the road so he's putting some time inside what people say there's no

2047
01:51:57,949 --> 01:52:03,149
law enforcement there's here fueling up at romance just he was in town yesterday we saw him yeah

2048
01:52:03,149 --> 01:52:06,590
a matter of fact i think i've been seeing him more than i've seen the sheriff when we had

2049
01:52:07,149 --> 01:52:08,750
a yeah actual contact

2050
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:22,600
i brought up uh the last meetings i was at about the roof on the garage oh yes yes and i got two

2051
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:27,869
quotes i guess you could call them one of them i had quoted

2052
01:52:28,109 --> 01:52:36,880
with insulation um and that was 82 thousand four hundred fifteen dollars for a new roof

2053
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:44,439
with three inches of insulation and the other one was just for a true down metal roof 38 000

2054
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:53,090
we did have i did have my energy audit finally um a couple guys showed up and dariff who was

2055
01:52:53,090 --> 01:52:59,159
working on our mitigation plan came down also as far as i know there's no funding to do a lot of work

2056
01:52:59,159 --> 01:53:03,979
funding available yet but they have all the information so that funding ever

2057
01:53:03,979 --> 01:53:10,680
becomes available we could apply mm-hmm well that's kind of one of them things

2058
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:15,119
where I feel like you really need to do the roof on the garage is the roof

2059
01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:25,560
insulated now there is some insulation there now but it's you know I was like

2060
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:34,359
the rest of the garage the structure of the garage itself is a good shape if we

2061
01:53:34,359 --> 01:53:37,060
keep a roof on it I mean you can see where it's leaking I'm just starting to

2062
01:53:37,060 --> 01:53:44,819
rustle the beams so it's kind of what I mean after it sooner than later so I

2063
01:53:44,819 --> 01:53:50,060
think I mean it's been leaking for a while it's I had one point I had

2064
01:53:50,060 --> 01:53:55,760
somebody go around and caulk all the screws but that's been a few years and

2065
01:53:55,760 --> 01:54:00,789
now that you know the Sun expands and contracts those things and it's back to

2066
01:54:00,789 --> 01:54:06,510
leaking I mean it's not pouring in there but definitely and it's all rusting

2067
01:54:06,510 --> 01:54:06,670
away

2068
01:54:06,689 --> 01:54:12,210
pretty bad this is all like our company's stuff right you can use for the

2069
01:54:12,210 --> 01:54:17,250
roof we said we could use that we wanted to so you see to figure out if you want

2070
01:54:17,250 --> 01:54:24,310
a insulated roof or an insulator yeah I think that at this point we could go

2071
01:54:24,310 --> 01:54:29,550
with the non-insulated and then when there's funding to install it yeah

2072
01:54:29,550 --> 01:54:37,819
energy efficiency in there do that at this point it'd be a waste to spend all

2073
01:54:37,819 --> 01:54:38,020
that money

2074
01:54:38,020 --> 01:54:40,020
and then two years down the road

2075
01:54:40,020 --> 01:54:44,210
you haven't ran in front of me where we could just get it done

2076
01:54:44,210 --> 01:54:48,689
you were able to keep it relatively you obviously needed insulation for the

2077
01:54:48,689 --> 01:54:55,689
winter yes are you able to keep it heated no no problem or no no not at all

2078
01:54:55,689 --> 01:55:09,159
I mean I keep the gas on a 40 we were on the wood fire it's better than it used to be but not you know this doesn't work it's better than it used to be but not you know this doesn't work

2079
01:55:09,159 --> 01:55:09,180
it doesn't work it's better than it used to be but not you know this doesn't work

2080
01:55:09,180 --> 01:55:11,180
it doesn't work it's better than it used to be but not you know this doesn't work

2081
01:55:11,180 --> 01:55:16,840
well they are but there it's so under I mean there's just over the years you

2082
01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:21,520
know you get rips in it and so it's fallen and it's it needs to be all

2083
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:26,500
redone and you know they suggested reinstalling the whole building and

2084
01:55:26,500 --> 01:55:30,899
putting up you know some kind of wood like plywood or something on the walls

2085
01:55:30,899 --> 01:55:36,220
protect it and help you know it just was the town used the money it had at the

2086
01:55:36,220 --> 01:55:39,140
time to do what they could you know wasn't really

2087
01:55:39,140 --> 01:55:43,750
Just out of curiosity, how close is the building to the river?

2088
01:55:43,750 --> 01:55:45,750
25, 30 feet.

2089
01:55:45,750 --> 01:55:47,750
Close.

2090
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:49,750
It's close.

2091
01:55:49,750 --> 01:55:51,840
Yeah.

2092
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:54,199
Yeah.

2093
01:55:54,199 --> 01:56:02,670
I mean, it's one of them things that we've talked about other options for the future,

2094
01:56:02,670 --> 01:56:07,890
and I think we should continue looking into that kind of stuff.

2095
01:56:07,890 --> 01:56:12,529
But for now, we really can't let the building go.

2096
01:56:12,529 --> 01:56:15,529
That's why I was trying to go with the cheapest option.

2097
01:56:15,529 --> 01:56:17,529
I mean, obviously we could bid it out.

2098
01:56:17,529 --> 01:56:19,529
You may get it cheaper.

2099
01:56:19,529 --> 01:56:22,529
But these are two different companies.

2100
01:56:22,529 --> 01:56:24,920
Well, they're insulation.

2101
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:30,359
Well, one guy, I didn't bother with the insulating bit,

2102
01:56:30,359 --> 01:56:34,359
and then I figured I might need an estimate for buying a grant.

2103
01:56:34,359 --> 01:56:37,359
And I couldn't get anybody even to show up at first,

2104
01:56:37,359 --> 01:56:38,359
so I was calling different companies.

2105
01:56:38,359 --> 01:56:39,359
And then...

2106
01:56:39,359 --> 01:56:45,130
They both showed up pretty much on the same day after weeks.

2107
01:56:45,130 --> 01:56:46,130
So...

2108
01:56:46,130 --> 01:56:53,159
Should we have David go ahead with the non-insulated roof?

2109
01:56:53,159 --> 01:56:56,220
Use the ARPA money for that?

2110
01:56:56,220 --> 01:56:57,220
Who's doing it?

2111
01:56:57,220 --> 01:57:03,220
So the Vermont Roofing gave me the quote on the insulated,

2112
01:57:03,220 --> 01:57:09,220
and Stevens Roofing out of Woodford gave me the quote on just the screw-down metal.

2113
01:57:09,220 --> 01:57:10,220
Who's Stevens Roofing?

2114
01:57:10,220 --> 01:57:14,220
They're off of Route 9 in Woodford.

2115
01:57:14,220 --> 01:57:17,220
I tried to get somebody local that does metal roofing.

2116
01:57:17,220 --> 01:57:18,220
Right.

2117
01:57:18,220 --> 01:57:19,220
That was...

2118
01:57:19,220 --> 01:57:23,319
I don't know anybody personally that does it in town.

2119
01:57:23,319 --> 01:57:25,319
If they do, we'll reach out to the town.

2120
01:57:25,319 --> 01:57:31,989
But this person actually showed up pretty quick compared to everybody else.

2121
01:57:31,989 --> 01:57:33,989
I called three different people.

2122
01:57:33,989 --> 01:57:39,310
About six, seven years ago, I was on the Finance Committee for the Church of North Adams,

2123
01:57:39,310 --> 01:57:44,310
and they needed four years to pull the trigger on doing a roof.

2124
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:47,310
It went from a quarter million to $400,000.

2125
01:57:47,310 --> 01:57:48,310
And it's a rubber roof.

2126
01:57:48,310 --> 01:57:51,630
You know, it wasn't a steel roof.

2127
01:57:51,630 --> 01:57:57,630
But still, you've heard my position on waiting on every single thing we've ever talked about.

2128
01:57:57,630 --> 01:57:58,630
I have still...

2129
01:57:58,630 --> 01:58:00,630
Yep, the seed prices go down.

2130
01:58:00,630 --> 01:58:01,630
Right.

2131
01:58:01,630 --> 01:58:02,630
They always go up.

2132
01:58:02,630 --> 01:58:04,170
So...

2133
01:58:04,170 --> 01:58:05,170
$38,000.

2134
01:58:05,170 --> 01:58:10,289
We had the money, and I don't see a problem with that.

2135
01:58:10,289 --> 01:58:13,289
The one problem I do have is it's an estimate.

2136
01:58:13,289 --> 01:58:15,420
How much more is in your process?

2137
01:58:15,420 --> 01:58:17,420
Yeah, well, I don't know if it was an estimate.

2138
01:58:17,420 --> 01:58:18,420
That's...

2139
01:58:18,420 --> 01:58:19,420
Is that a guarantee?

2140
01:58:19,420 --> 01:58:20,420
Well, he didn't...

2141
01:58:20,420 --> 01:58:21,420
He sent me an email.

2142
01:58:21,420 --> 01:58:24,680
This one's in writing for the insulated one.

2143
01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:27,739
The other guy sent me a text.

2144
01:58:27,739 --> 01:58:28,739
So I could have him put that...

2145
01:58:28,739 --> 01:58:29,739
That was ballpark.

2146
01:58:29,739 --> 01:58:30,739
Yeah.

2147
01:58:30,739 --> 01:58:32,739
You know, I could have him put it in an email.

2148
01:58:32,739 --> 01:58:37,739
Why don't you see if Vermont would give you a price with no insulation,

2149
01:58:37,739 --> 01:58:40,739
and then have that other guy give you one in writing.

2150
01:58:40,739 --> 01:58:42,739
For one with no insulation or no seed.

2151
01:58:42,739 --> 01:58:43,739
Just so there's...

2152
01:58:43,739 --> 01:58:44,739
Yep.

2153
01:58:44,739 --> 01:58:45,739
Good.

2154
01:58:45,739 --> 01:58:46,739
Good idea.

2155
01:58:46,739 --> 01:58:47,739
Yeah.

2156
01:58:47,739 --> 01:58:48,739
Good idea.

2157
01:58:48,739 --> 01:58:52,739
I mean, that's not a lot of money for a tin roof, believe it or not.

2158
01:58:52,739 --> 01:58:55,739
For that size roof, I didn't think it sounded horrible.

2159
01:58:55,739 --> 01:59:04,510
I put a rubber roof on my shop about 10 years ago, $68,000 for 4,000 square foot.

2160
01:59:04,510 --> 01:59:07,510
That's a pretty big garage up there, so...

2161
01:59:07,510 --> 01:59:08,510
Yeah.

2162
01:59:08,510 --> 01:59:10,560
Okay.

2163
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:11,560
All right.

2164
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:17,939
Any other questions?

2165
01:59:17,939 --> 01:59:18,939
We've got a new business, Lori.

2166
01:59:18,939 --> 01:59:19,939
What are you going to say about CDL?

2167
01:59:19,939 --> 01:59:21,390
Just the procedure.

2168
01:59:21,390 --> 01:59:22,390
I do want to talk about the CDL procedure.

2169
01:59:22,390 --> 01:59:23,390
It used to be that we had a mobile unit.

2170
01:59:23,390 --> 01:59:24,390
Like, the CDL drivers are under random testing.

2171
01:59:24,390 --> 01:59:25,390
And every quarter, VLCT, our insurance company, we're in a pool.

2172
01:59:25,390 --> 01:59:26,390
So, randomly, our guys get drawn occasionally and have to be tested.

2173
01:59:26,390 --> 01:59:27,390
So, that's what we're doing.

2174
01:59:27,390 --> 01:59:28,390
Okay.

2175
01:59:28,390 --> 01:59:29,390
Okay.

2176
01:59:29,390 --> 01:59:30,390
Okay.

2177
01:59:30,390 --> 01:59:31,550
Okay.

2178
01:59:31,550 --> 01:59:32,550
Okay.

2179
01:59:32,550 --> 01:59:33,550
Okay.

2180
01:59:33,550 --> 01:59:35,159
Okay.

2181
01:59:35,159 --> 01:59:36,220
Okay.

2182
01:59:36,220 --> 01:59:37,220
Okay.

2183
01:59:37,220 --> 01:59:38,220
Okay.

2184
01:59:38,220 --> 01:59:39,220
Okay.

2185
01:59:39,220 --> 01:59:40,220
Okay.

2186
01:59:40,220 --> 01:59:41,220
Okay.

2187
01:59:41,220 --> 01:59:42,220
Okay.

2188
01:59:42,220 --> 01:59:43,220
Okay.

2189
01:59:43,220 --> 01:59:44,220
Okay.

2190
01:59:44,220 --> 01:59:45,479
Okay.

2191
01:59:45,479 --> 01:59:46,479
Okay.

2192
01:59:46,479 --> 01:59:47,479
Okay.

2193
01:59:47,479 --> 01:59:48,479
Okay.

2194
01:59:48,479 --> 01:59:49,479
Okay.

2195
01:59:49,479 --> 01:59:50,479
Okay.

2196
01:59:50,479 --> 01:59:51,479
Okay.

2197
01:59:51,479 --> 01:59:52,479
Okay.

2198
01:59:52,479 --> 01:59:53,729
Okay.

2199
01:59:53,729 --> 01:59:54,729
Okay.

2200
01:59:54,729 --> 01:59:56,079
Okay.

2201
01:59:56,079 --> 01:59:57,079
Okay.

2202
01:59:57,079 --> 01:59:58,720
Okay.

2203
01:59:58,720 --> 01:59:59,720
Okay.

2204
01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:00,720
Okay.

2205
02:00:00,720 --> 02:00:01,720
Okay.

2206
02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:02,720
Okay.

2207
02:00:02,720 --> 02:00:03,720
Okay.

2208
02:00:03,720 --> 02:00:04,720
Okay.

2209
02:00:04,720 --> 02:00:06,300
Okay.

2210
02:00:06,300 --> 02:00:07,300
Okay.

2211
02:00:07,300 --> 02:00:08,300
Okay.

2212
02:00:08,300 --> 02:00:09,300
Okay.

2213
02:00:09,300 --> 02:00:10,300
Okay.

2214
02:00:10,300 --> 02:00:11,300
Okay.

2215
02:00:11,300 --> 02:00:12,300
Okay.

2216
02:00:12,300 --> 02:00:13,300
Okay.

2217
02:00:13,300 --> 02:00:14,300
Okay.

2218
02:00:14,300 --> 02:00:15,779
Okay.

2219
02:00:15,779 --> 02:00:16,779
Okay.

2220
02:00:16,779 --> 02:00:17,779
Okay.

2221
02:00:17,779 --> 02:00:18,779
Okay.

2222
02:00:18,779 --> 02:00:19,779
Okay.

2223
02:00:19,779 --> 02:00:20,779
Okay.

2224
02:00:20,779 --> 02:00:21,779
Okay.

2225
02:00:21,779 --> 02:00:26,220
you have to drive up to Bennington Hospital now and get tested up there.

2226
02:00:27,039 --> 02:00:34,340
So now our guys are out an hour up, probably an hour up there, an hour back.

2227
02:00:34,340 --> 02:00:41,960
I mean, they lose half a day because our testing unit is short-staffed.

2228
02:00:42,039 --> 02:00:46,939
And it's fine if you're a company in Bennington and you can scoot over on your lunch hour,

2229
02:00:47,340 --> 02:00:51,199
but this is going to have a huge impact on their daily schedule.

2230
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:55,039
I mean, sometimes they get picked three-quarters out of four.

2231
02:00:55,439 --> 02:00:58,239
You don't have the choice. They tell you, go get tested.

2232
02:00:58,420 --> 02:00:58,579
Yeah.

2233
02:00:58,699 --> 02:00:59,300
They tell you.

2234
02:00:59,399 --> 02:01:01,960
It's just in the wintertime, and that's kind of ridiculous.

2235
02:01:02,100 --> 02:01:04,380
They call me and tell me I've got to go, and it's just hard.

2236
02:01:04,539 --> 02:01:09,479
But the other thing, too, is if Dave or Mike are on a culvert job,

2237
02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:14,920
the road is open and the appointment happens to be tomorrow

2238
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:18,020
where you plan to have equipment there and open the road.

2239
02:01:18,500 --> 02:01:20,039
I don't think that's fair.

2240
02:01:20,039 --> 02:01:21,119
I think we should push back.

2241
02:01:21,119 --> 02:01:21,859
How much time do they have?

2242
02:01:22,039 --> 02:01:24,560
How much time do they give you when they tell you that?

2243
02:01:25,199 --> 02:01:25,640
I don't know.

2244
02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:29,020
Usually, Laurie tells me the day before to be at the garage at a certain time.

2245
02:01:29,159 --> 02:01:29,380
Yeah.

2246
02:01:29,380 --> 02:01:35,479
They'll call me up, like, on a Monday and try to schedule it for Tuesday or Wednesday the latest.

2247
02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:38,909
So there really isn't any warning.

2248
02:01:39,789 --> 02:01:44,039
And, you know, it's one thing if it's at the garage.

2249
02:01:44,119 --> 02:01:45,239
How do you want to push back?

2250
02:01:45,399 --> 02:01:51,399
I think we should let the LCT that this is inconvenience, and they only have two.

2251
02:01:51,399 --> 02:01:51,939
We don't want to go there.

2252
02:01:52,279 --> 02:01:52,460
Yeah.

2253
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:52,939
Well, you should.

2254
02:01:53,119 --> 02:01:56,020
Say we're limited to two people, man, crew, and town,

2255
02:01:56,579 --> 02:02:01,020
and we are a significant distance from where the testing facility is.

2256
02:02:01,100 --> 02:02:01,340
Right.

2257
02:02:02,020 --> 02:02:08,420
So if you're short-staffed, the people who should be driving to the Bennington Hospital

2258
02:02:08,420 --> 02:02:14,619
should be the companies that are closest, and then send them out here.

2259
02:02:14,739 --> 02:02:18,020
I don't know how you can get that in professional writing.

2260
02:02:18,020 --> 02:02:20,039
If you set this up with the millionaire's facility,

2261
02:02:20,239 --> 02:02:22,800
they're giving you authorization, all you have to do is set it up.

2262
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:24,020
And then, like, North Adams.

2263
02:02:24,020 --> 02:02:24,520
North Adams?

2264
02:02:25,380 --> 02:02:25,779
Yeah.

2265
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:28,239
Why are you saying Bennington?

2266
02:02:28,420 --> 02:02:32,319
Because they set up the authorization.

2267
02:02:32,539 --> 02:02:35,739
They mailed me the forms and say Southwestern Vermont.

2268
02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:36,159
That's right.

2269
02:02:36,159 --> 02:02:36,819
Because it's Vermont.

2270
02:02:36,819 --> 02:02:37,020
Yeah.

2271
02:02:37,140 --> 02:02:39,260
I've had to go over to the Bennington Hospital before.

2272
02:02:40,119 --> 02:02:41,399
You need to ask them if it's applicable.

2273
02:02:41,539 --> 02:02:44,199
You need authorization if you set up an authorization.

2274
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:49,020
You call North Adams to say, okay, if we want to have Stanford v. Board or whatever,

2275
02:02:49,260 --> 02:02:52,779
go here and get authorized because Bennington, and explain that.

2276
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:55,939
And you set that up with them, you can draw that up.

2277
02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:58,000
I've done this with employment all the time.

2278
02:02:58,300 --> 02:03:01,479
Either way, it's ridiculous in the wintertime.

2279
02:03:01,640 --> 02:03:01,899
Right.

2280
02:03:02,199 --> 02:03:03,039
Or realistically.

2281
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:05,119
It doesn't address the whole problem.

2282
02:03:05,319 --> 02:03:07,119
That's their problem, not ours.

2283
02:03:07,340 --> 02:03:07,560
Right.

2284
02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:08,539
As far as I'm concerned.

2285
02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:10,319
You're short-staffed, so am I.

2286
02:03:10,439 --> 02:03:10,659
Right.

2287
02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:13,399
Like, you've got to do your job, I've got to do mine.

2288
02:03:13,600 --> 02:03:13,779
Right.

2289
02:03:13,880 --> 02:03:15,079
I like the way John said it.

2290
02:03:15,819 --> 02:03:18,239
This is not feasible for the town of Stanford.

2291
02:03:19,140 --> 02:03:22,180
We have two people that can't take that time.

2292
02:03:22,420 --> 02:03:22,819
Right.

2293
02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:30,100
You know, please put us on a priority list and the closer people can go to the hospital or facility where they're supposed to go.

2294
02:03:30,100 --> 02:03:35,819
Because I think if we go to North Adams or if we go to Bennington this one time, they're going to say, hey, you did it before.

2295
02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:36,560
Who pays for that?

2296
02:03:36,640 --> 02:03:38,420
Who pays for those people to come down here to do that?

2297
02:03:38,420 --> 02:03:39,100
Our insurance.

2298
02:03:39,279 --> 02:03:40,159
It's out of our insurance.

2299
02:03:40,279 --> 02:03:42,520
Well, then make them come down and take care of us.

2300
02:03:42,640 --> 02:03:43,279
We're not going to.

2301
02:03:43,539 --> 02:03:45,899
I mean, they've made me drive up to Woodford before.

2302
02:03:45,979 --> 02:03:46,699
I've had to drive up to Woodford.

2303
02:03:46,699 --> 02:03:50,359
If they don't have time to come down and test you, they don't have time to come down and shut you down either.

2304
02:03:50,420 --> 02:03:50,619
Yeah.

2305
02:03:50,859 --> 02:03:52,420
They don't want to come here, is the thing.

2306
02:03:52,420 --> 02:03:52,680
Yeah.

2307
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:56,439
They don't want to come to Stanford or too far out of the loop.

2308
02:03:56,720 --> 02:03:57,579
It's a nice ride.

2309
02:03:59,039 --> 02:04:00,819
Anything else on your new business?

2310
02:04:02,739 --> 02:04:02,979
All right.

2311
02:04:03,239 --> 02:04:05,199
Mike, you wanted to make a motion to go?

2312
02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:07,140
Yeah, a motion to go on an executive session.

2313
02:04:08,380 --> 02:04:09,479
For contract?

2314
02:04:09,739 --> 02:04:09,939
Contract.

2315
02:04:09,939 --> 02:04:10,680
Possible contract?

2316
02:04:11,640 --> 02:04:12,039
Second.

2317
02:04:13,180 --> 02:04:14,060
All in favor?

2318
02:04:14,319 --> 02:04:14,560
Yeah.

2319
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:27,899
I'm not the A.R.

2320
02:04:27,899 --> 02:04:31,439
I see it, Carol.

2321
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:32,779
Take care.

2322
02:04:35,180 --> 02:04:37,640
I suggest where you live and where you're going to see it.

2323
02:04:38,640 --> 02:04:42,079
Can we shut all your neighbors down?

2324
02:04:42,680 --> 02:04:44,140
Is there a red button here?

2325
02:04:44,140 --> 02:04:44,899
I don't know.

2326
02:04:45,500 --> 02:04:47,039
Sorry, how do you shut that thing on?

2327
02:04:47,380 --> 02:04:47,779
Lori?

2328
02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:48,520
Smash it.

2329
02:04:48,899 --> 02:04:49,960
How do you shut this off?

2330
02:04:49,960 --> 02:04:51,699
Are you putting the shit up for Trevor to stay in?

2331
02:04:52,420 --> 02:04:54,039
Hey, I was, uh...

2332
02:04:54,039 --> 02:04:54,979
The square.