1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,459 So, I don't think so. 2 00:00:02,899 --> 00:00:03,240 Really? 3 00:00:03,580 --> 00:00:07,660 Yeah, I hate to throw this rock in the gears, or rent to the gears. 4 00:00:08,779 --> 00:00:14,039 So, we're up there, and although I was told don't say anything while we're up there, 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:20,899 I was trying to get information, and so when we got to this meeting, we could have it be informed. 6 00:00:24,170 --> 00:00:29,050 You actually, Martina, right? Is that how you say it? 7 00:00:29,129 --> 00:00:29,829 Martina, yeah. 8 00:00:29,829 --> 00:00:39,340 As you said, if you change this to a trail, the slat board, if I'm not mistaken, kind of loses power over this. 9 00:00:40,009 --> 00:00:41,549 Where we can't make laws on it. 10 00:00:42,090 --> 00:00:45,429 I'm not a lawyer, and I don't want to be. 11 00:00:46,609 --> 00:00:56,390 I guess I'd recommend maybe you seek legal advice about what your rights are in that case if you declassify it. 12 00:00:56,390 --> 00:00:58,189 That would be my recommendation. 13 00:00:58,609 --> 00:00:59,390 Just, um... 14 00:01:01,070 --> 00:01:01,130 Um... 15 00:01:01,270 --> 00:01:19,400 Our, our, um, course engineer, that, that is, his understanding is that it's, um, as well as, like, if you read, like, the state law, as I read it, it does say a town highway is not a trail. 16 00:01:19,540 --> 00:01:25,879 Like, they're two distinct, there's just distinct, you know, powers that the select board has over those two. 17 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:31,560 So, it's just, I mean, I don't want to tell you, I'm definitely not telling you what to do, but just maybe get the advice. 18 00:01:31,719 --> 00:01:38,879 So, do you believe that, now, the National Forest would have no power at all over this trail, right? 19 00:01:39,579 --> 00:01:44,420 And so, it, this is, I believe, not on the National Forest, right? 20 00:01:44,780 --> 00:01:50,079 It's through, it connects to the National Forest, but I think it's just a town road. 21 00:01:50,180 --> 00:01:53,480 It goes through the National Forest on both sides. 22 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,920 Right, so you guys own both sides of the road. 23 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,480 And you own the ground under the road. 24 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:00,319 Right, so it's a, yeah. 25 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:01,200 What's our connection? 26 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:01,560 But you don't own the road. 27 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:01,599 But you don't own the road. 28 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:01,620 But you don't own the road. 29 00:02:01,620 --> 00:02:01,700 But you don't own the road. 30 00:02:01,719 --> 00:02:09,659 So, you have a legal right-of-way that's, like, no matter what, you have a right-of-way through there. 31 00:02:09,780 --> 00:02:10,780 It's just a matter of... 32 00:02:10,780 --> 00:02:11,560 With any vehicle? 33 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:12,319 It's just like a road. 34 00:02:12,340 --> 00:02:21,800 Well, that's where I think the rub is, is based on what we think is if it's a road, you can regulate motorized use. 35 00:02:22,039 --> 00:02:27,300 But if it's a trail, again, this is where I think it's a good idea to get some legal advice. 36 00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:31,300 But our take on it is if it is a trail, then... 37 00:02:31,300 --> 00:02:39,879 You cannot, you can allow just use of it, like, but not motor, you can't, cannot allow motorized use. 38 00:02:40,020 --> 00:02:42,060 Again, that's just my read of it. 39 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:43,780 So, that's what we've got. 40 00:02:43,780 --> 00:02:45,860 I think also, too, when you go out, I'm sorry. 41 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:46,719 Yeah, go ahead. 42 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:47,800 Go ahead. 43 00:02:49,020 --> 00:02:56,780 When it comes to applying for maintenance grants, all the paperwork on it, it says it's for class four roads. 44 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,780 So, Tom, do you... 45 00:03:00,780 --> 00:03:01,240 You know, I'm not sure. 46 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:01,259 You're not sure. 47 00:03:01,259 --> 00:03:01,319 You're not sure. 48 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:01,340 You're not sure. 49 00:03:01,340 --> 00:03:01,360 You're not sure. 50 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,919 So, I'm just asking your opinion, because you've done a lot of work on this. 51 00:03:04,259 --> 00:03:06,400 Do you think it's a bad idea, then? 52 00:03:09,069 --> 00:03:18,319 From everybody that I talk to, when it comes to, I guess it's the paperwork for maintenance grants. 53 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:20,439 It says class four roads, right? 54 00:03:20,659 --> 00:03:21,020 Yes. 55 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:22,240 Yes, it does. 56 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:23,139 I'll keep you honest. 57 00:03:24,199 --> 00:03:33,430 When I talk to Woodford, when I talk to other people, people in the state, 58 00:03:33,430 --> 00:03:43,069 they say, when it comes to a class four road, it's easier for you guys to get money in case of any damage. 59 00:03:43,990 --> 00:03:48,949 But we are required to put a little maintenance in that class four road. 60 00:03:49,849 --> 00:03:50,289 Right. 61 00:03:50,590 --> 00:03:52,509 What type of maintenance are we talking about? 62 00:03:52,810 --> 00:03:53,330 Ditches. 63 00:03:54,069 --> 00:03:55,229 There's no culverts on it. 64 00:03:55,229 --> 00:03:56,330 There's no culverts in that. 65 00:03:56,330 --> 00:04:00,830 There has been no maintenance on that as long as I can remember by this time. 66 00:04:01,030 --> 00:04:03,289 Basically, what you have to do is just clean up the ditches. 67 00:04:03,289 --> 00:04:10,710 I don't even believe they're saying ditches on the sides of that road, because it is the ditch. 68 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:11,650 It's a couple of long ones. 69 00:04:13,050 --> 00:04:15,129 It's a riverbed. 70 00:04:15,370 --> 00:04:16,110 It is the riverbed. 71 00:04:16,110 --> 00:04:16,870 It's a riverbed. 72 00:04:17,089 --> 00:04:25,540 So now my next question, and I guess it's to anyone, what benefits are there to this town to change this to a trail? 73 00:04:27,550 --> 00:04:28,250 No maintenance. 74 00:04:29,189 --> 00:04:29,850 That's it. 75 00:04:29,910 --> 00:04:30,149 Okay. 76 00:04:30,430 --> 00:04:34,149 So if we say we haven't maintained it in as long as... 77 00:04:35,149 --> 00:04:40,329 I remember, I don't believe any person ever has gone down there, and I wish Dave was here, 78 00:04:40,410 --> 00:04:44,170 because I don't believe Dave has ever gone down there and maintained it. 79 00:04:44,490 --> 00:04:49,310 He might have driven down there, but you can't even take a town truck down that road. 80 00:04:49,610 --> 00:04:49,790 Right. 81 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:55,689 You could not take any of our highway equipment other than maybe the tractor down that road. 82 00:04:56,529 --> 00:04:58,149 When it's water, it's water runoff. 83 00:04:58,670 --> 00:04:59,149 Yeah. 84 00:05:00,009 --> 00:05:04,449 So what I'm saying is, and no one's ever complained it's not maintained. 85 00:05:05,149 --> 00:05:08,170 We just took it and said, hey, this is a tough road to get through. 86 00:05:08,589 --> 00:05:10,990 It's kind of like the end of Risky Ranch Road. 87 00:05:11,110 --> 00:05:12,649 There's a reason why they call it Risky. 88 00:05:15,009 --> 00:05:22,529 And again, I want the ATV people to be able to use this connector trail. 89 00:05:22,649 --> 00:05:23,550 That's your whole goal. 90 00:05:24,009 --> 00:05:28,649 I also am hesitant now because you just walked in and said, hey, who owns that Jeep out there? 91 00:05:29,250 --> 00:05:29,769 That's mine. 92 00:05:29,910 --> 00:05:32,410 And I go over that road every single week. 93 00:05:33,069 --> 00:05:35,129 And I want to continue to ride. 94 00:05:35,149 --> 00:05:43,310 And all the other people that have legal on-off-road bikes or Jeeps or trucks that want to go through there, 95 00:05:43,449 --> 00:05:44,389 all the way to Pono. 96 00:05:44,670 --> 00:05:46,069 I can go all the way to Pono. 97 00:05:46,509 --> 00:05:47,790 I don't want that to stop. 98 00:05:48,810 --> 00:05:50,050 And it sounds like it could. 99 00:05:51,689 --> 00:05:53,870 What is the town definition of a legal trail? 100 00:05:54,410 --> 00:05:55,829 I know I read it somewhere at one time. 101 00:05:55,850 --> 00:05:57,209 Yeah, I don't have it. 102 00:05:57,410 --> 00:05:58,370 It's in the statute. 103 00:05:58,529 --> 00:06:03,889 I mean, it's in, I can give you a citation for all the legal. 104 00:06:03,889 --> 00:06:04,829 That way you can. 105 00:06:04,829 --> 00:06:09,230 Actually, you can have a, yeah, go ahead, while I look that up. 106 00:06:09,389 --> 00:06:11,050 So this is three-tenths of a mile. 107 00:06:12,029 --> 00:06:16,410 The only property that is on either side is National Forest? 108 00:06:16,730 --> 00:06:17,069 Yes. 109 00:06:17,170 --> 00:06:22,589 So nobody can buy it, so nobody can complain that it's not being maintained, correct? 110 00:06:22,750 --> 00:06:23,410 That makes sense. 111 00:06:23,569 --> 00:06:24,529 Yeah, that was my question. 112 00:06:24,730 --> 00:06:27,329 So why would you change it? 113 00:06:27,629 --> 00:06:28,569 Why can't? 114 00:06:28,730 --> 00:06:32,029 What is the value for changing it? 115 00:06:32,350 --> 00:06:33,490 And why are we even changing it? 116 00:06:33,490 --> 00:06:34,730 Why don't you change it now? 117 00:06:34,829 --> 00:06:40,110 If you try to bring it back up to tell them, say they do want to put a little something in the hot end, 118 00:06:40,649 --> 00:06:42,089 then they might be able to do a lot of work here. 119 00:06:42,129 --> 00:06:43,129 Well, that's what I'm wondering. 120 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:44,850 Why would you change it? 121 00:06:45,410 --> 00:06:47,389 Which might say you have to have this, right? 122 00:06:47,709 --> 00:06:48,670 You might have to survey and. 123 00:06:49,449 --> 00:06:50,269 I'm going to come back. 124 00:06:50,389 --> 00:06:51,250 The other thing is. 125 00:06:51,250 --> 00:06:54,910 Already in class four, if you guys open it up for ATD usage, 126 00:06:55,290 --> 00:06:58,689 we'll be just like we opened wood for a stage work, we'll clean the pitches out. 127 00:06:59,170 --> 00:07:00,170 We can't improve it. 128 00:07:00,310 --> 00:07:01,449 We cannot improve it. 129 00:07:01,449 --> 00:07:03,269 We can only maintain it. 130 00:07:04,069 --> 00:07:04,209 Yes, sir. 131 00:07:04,209 --> 00:07:04,470 Yes, sir. 132 00:07:04,470 --> 00:07:04,529 Yes, sir. 133 00:07:04,529 --> 00:07:04,569 Yes, sir. 134 00:07:04,569 --> 00:07:04,629 Yes, sir. 135 00:07:04,629 --> 00:07:04,649 Yes, sir. 136 00:07:04,649 --> 00:07:04,910 Yes, sir. 137 00:07:04,930 --> 00:07:05,889 We can't make it a highway. 138 00:07:06,110 --> 00:07:10,089 We cannot improve the road, but we can keep the ditches open and stuff. 139 00:07:11,790 --> 00:07:12,730 Now, the question. 140 00:07:12,730 --> 00:07:13,850 It's part of the National Forest standards. 141 00:07:14,110 --> 00:07:16,189 That's a tough definition, too. 142 00:07:16,889 --> 00:07:18,629 Now, here's the next thing. 143 00:07:18,970 --> 00:07:24,029 If National Forest owns both sides of it, and National Forest, according to what you just told me up there, 144 00:07:24,449 --> 00:07:28,509 owns the Sucker Pond Road, whatever that trail is, 145 00:07:28,509 --> 00:07:35,879 why couldn't you get a connector trail alongside of this road that just crosses the road? 146 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:41,740 I don't care if it's long side on the left or the right for just ATVs. 147 00:07:41,740 --> 00:07:46,779 That would take so many years for research, for what's in there for engineering. 148 00:07:46,779 --> 00:07:50,420 So, the frog that's here doesn't jump across that road? 149 00:07:50,420 --> 00:07:51,839 Well, it could be a salamander. 150 00:07:51,839 --> 00:08:04,000 I mean, I would think one of the purposes that National Forest wants more access on the roads is to deter them from having to do such things, is that right? 151 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,600 Well, like you said, you're always fighting. 152 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:12,259 When they create new roads, when they can just access roads that are existing, that would be the whole, yeah, that would be the whole objective. 153 00:08:12,259 --> 00:08:16,589 So, going back to, why are we even having this? 154 00:08:16,589 --> 00:08:21,329 Well, I guess my last question would be, which is, no way it's going to be my last question, Bob. 155 00:08:23,430 --> 00:08:29,430 If we kept it a road, can it still be a connecting trail for ATVs? 156 00:08:30,910 --> 00:08:32,049 Greensboro does it, right? 157 00:08:32,049 --> 00:08:35,049 They can ride on ATVs. 158 00:08:35,289 --> 00:08:36,049 ATVs can ride on ATVs. 159 00:08:36,269 --> 00:08:37,509 They can ride on the Class 4 roads. 160 00:08:37,509 --> 00:08:42,110 But I don't want it to be called a VASA trail. 161 00:08:42,409 --> 00:08:45,450 I want it to be a connecting trail that you're riding on our roads. 162 00:08:46,389 --> 00:08:52,809 So, right now, we have given permission for people to ride on all Class D roads, or Class 4 roads. 163 00:08:53,590 --> 00:09:06,409 If it stays that way, and we say, okay, the VASA trail can go from here to here, but this is our road, and you can have VASA on it, but you also have to allow non-VASA vehicles. 164 00:09:06,429 --> 00:09:07,429 Can that be done? 165 00:09:07,429 --> 00:09:08,429 Well, if it's a Class 4 road, yeah. 166 00:09:08,429 --> 00:09:09,429 We can't. 167 00:09:09,429 --> 00:09:10,429 We can't say that. 168 00:09:10,429 --> 00:09:11,429 Right. 169 00:09:11,429 --> 00:09:12,429 So, no, no, I'm not saying we're going to call it a VASA. 170 00:09:12,429 --> 00:09:13,429 I don't want it becoming just a VASA trail. 171 00:09:13,429 --> 00:09:14,429 No, no. 172 00:09:14,429 --> 00:09:15,429 It's a town. 173 00:09:15,429 --> 00:09:16,429 So, that way there, and Powell does that already, right? 174 00:09:16,429 --> 00:09:17,429 They already have a trail. 175 00:09:17,429 --> 00:09:18,429 County Road is part of VASA accessibility, I guess. 176 00:09:18,429 --> 00:09:19,429 Yes, accessibility. 177 00:09:19,429 --> 00:09:20,429 Right. 178 00:09:20,429 --> 00:09:21,429 Well, if it's a Class 4 road, it's a VASA trail. 179 00:09:21,429 --> 00:09:22,429 Right. 180 00:09:22,429 --> 00:09:23,429 If it's a Class 4 road, it's a VASA trail. 181 00:09:23,429 --> 00:09:24,429 Right. 182 00:09:24,429 --> 00:09:25,429 If it's a Class 4 road, it's a VASA trail. 183 00:09:25,429 --> 00:09:26,429 Right. 184 00:09:26,429 --> 00:09:27,429 They already have a trail. 185 00:09:27,429 --> 00:09:28,429 County Road is part of VASA accessibility. 186 00:09:28,429 --> 00:09:29,429 Yes, accessibility. 187 00:09:29,429 --> 00:09:30,429 So, they took it off the Piner Road off the map when there was no connection. 188 00:09:30,429 --> 00:09:31,429 When you guys closed down the standard, you could legally ride on a Class 4 road? 189 00:09:31,429 --> 00:09:32,429 Yes. 190 00:09:32,429 --> 00:09:33,429 Oh, I didn't know that. 191 00:09:33,429 --> 00:09:34,429 This is pilot traffic. 192 00:09:34,429 --> 00:09:35,429 In Reesboro, you ride all over there, roads. 193 00:09:35,429 --> 00:09:36,429 The rides, the rides, the rides. 194 00:09:36,429 --> 00:09:37,429 Right. 195 00:09:37,429 --> 00:09:38,429 We're starting the only one. 196 00:09:38,429 --> 00:09:39,429 Right. 197 00:09:39,429 --> 00:09:40,429 So, you can legally drive on a Class 4 road. 198 00:09:40,429 --> 00:09:41,429 Yes. 199 00:09:41,429 --> 00:09:42,429 Oh, I didn't know that. 200 00:09:42,429 --> 00:09:43,429 This is pilot traffic. 201 00:09:43,429 --> 00:09:44,429 In Reesboro, you ride all over there, roads. 202 00:09:44,429 --> 00:09:45,429 The rides, the rides, the roads. 203 00:09:45,429 --> 00:09:46,429 Right. 204 00:09:46,429 --> 00:09:47,429 We're starting the only one. 205 00:09:47,429 --> 00:09:48,429 We're starting the only one. 206 00:09:48,429 --> 00:09:49,429 Right. 207 00:09:49,429 --> 00:10:03,120 So, it doesn't make sense to me, and again, right out of the box, and at first, I was 208 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,240 like, you, I was like, this sounds like a good idea, or it sounded like you guys wanted 209 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,700 us to go in that direction. 210 00:10:09,700 --> 00:10:14,000 Dave sounded like he was on board, but now, it's like I'm going the other way, and it 211 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,559 sounds like the sign problem all over again. 212 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,559 I have a question, Lori. 213 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:19,559 No, never again. 214 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:20,559 Never again. 215 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,679 Does the town get paid for Class 4 roads? 216 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:32,679 I guess, like Tom was saying, if there happens to be a national, like a big hurricane comes 217 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,679 through, and it takes all the trees down, then we can take pictures of that and say, 218 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:38,679 FEMA, look at the damage. 219 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:39,679 We can get money. 220 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,679 If it's a trail, we don't get any money. 221 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:42,679 Right. 222 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,679 So, now, we go up there, we're chainsaws, and we do it ourselves, and that's as far 223 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:46,679 as we can go. 224 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,870 Now, the only, the only thing I, I say, because it's the only thing I can say, is that the 225 00:10:49,870 --> 00:10:57,409 town road, Class 4, any work that's done on it will have to go through Dave, approved 226 00:10:57,409 --> 00:10:58,409 by him, and done. 227 00:10:58,409 --> 00:10:59,409 You have to come down, just like we do in Woodford. 228 00:10:59,409 --> 00:11:00,409 Yeah. 229 00:11:00,409 --> 00:11:01,409 Come down here and tell them, guys, right now, there's a project up in Woodford, on 230 00:11:01,409 --> 00:11:02,409 the stage coach road. 231 00:11:02,409 --> 00:11:03,409 Which work was done at, done on that road, by private citizens, that did not go through 232 00:11:03,409 --> 00:11:04,409 this project. 233 00:11:04,409 --> 00:11:05,409 This is our next project up here. 234 00:11:05,409 --> 00:11:06,669 They did work on Stanford? 235 00:11:06,669 --> 00:11:07,669 Yup. 236 00:11:07,669 --> 00:11:08,669 And I don't know if that was your club or not. 237 00:11:08,669 --> 00:11:09,669 I don't know. 238 00:11:09,669 --> 00:11:10,669 I don't know. 239 00:11:10,669 --> 00:11:11,669 I don't know. 240 00:11:11,669 --> 00:11:12,669 I don't know. 241 00:11:12,669 --> 00:11:13,669 I don't know. 242 00:11:13,669 --> 00:11:14,669 I don't know. 243 00:11:14,669 --> 00:11:15,669 I don't know. 244 00:11:15,669 --> 00:11:16,669 I don't know. 245 00:11:16,669 --> 00:11:17,669 I don't know. 246 00:11:17,669 --> 00:11:18,669 I don't know. 247 00:11:18,669 --> 00:11:19,669 I don't know if that was your club or not. 248 00:11:19,669 --> 00:11:20,669 But work was done on that road, and on Riskey Ranch Road, without the permission of this 249 00:11:20,669 --> 00:11:21,669 town. 250 00:11:21,669 --> 00:11:22,669 On town road? 251 00:11:22,669 --> 00:11:23,669 I know that for a fact. 252 00:11:23,669 --> 00:11:24,669 On the town road? 253 00:11:24,669 --> 00:11:25,669 What? 254 00:11:25,669 --> 00:11:26,669 Probably three, four years ago? 255 00:11:26,669 --> 00:11:27,669 Excavator was up there. 256 00:11:27,669 --> 00:11:28,669 They cleaned up the sippy hole. 257 00:11:28,669 --> 00:11:29,669 They put water breaks on county road. 258 00:11:29,669 --> 00:11:30,669 Yup. 259 00:11:30,669 --> 00:11:31,669 And they put water breaks in, too, on county road. 260 00:11:31,669 --> 00:11:32,669 With the excavator. 261 00:11:32,669 --> 00:11:33,669 I know for a fact. 262 00:11:33,669 --> 00:11:34,669 I can't say who did it, but I knew. 263 00:11:34,669 --> 00:11:35,669 I know. 264 00:11:35,669 --> 00:11:36,669 I know. 265 00:11:36,669 --> 00:11:37,669 I know. 266 00:11:37,669 --> 00:11:38,669 I know. 267 00:11:38,669 --> 00:11:39,669 I know. 268 00:11:39,669 --> 00:11:40,669 I know. 269 00:11:40,669 --> 00:11:41,669 I know. 270 00:11:41,669 --> 00:11:42,669 I know. 271 00:11:42,669 --> 00:11:43,669 I know. 272 00:11:43,669 --> 00:11:44,669 I know. 273 00:11:44,669 --> 00:11:45,669 I know. 274 00:11:45,669 --> 00:11:46,669 I know. 275 00:11:46,669 --> 00:11:47,669 I know. 276 00:11:47,669 --> 00:11:48,669 I know. 277 00:11:48,669 --> 00:11:49,669 I know. 278 00:11:49,669 --> 00:11:50,990 I say who did it, but I know it was done. 279 00:11:50,990 --> 00:11:51,990 Yeah. 280 00:11:51,990 --> 00:11:52,990 It was a bad job. 281 00:11:52,990 --> 00:11:53,990 We're not saying it was done. 282 00:11:53,990 --> 00:11:56,460 Mm-hmm. 283 00:11:56,460 --> 00:11:57,460 I mean.. 284 00:11:57,460 --> 00:11:58,460 Great. 285 00:11:58,460 --> 00:11:59,460 ... actually did a good job. 286 00:11:59,460 --> 00:12:03,139 But that did get done without the permission of the town. 287 00:12:03,139 --> 00:12:07,789 And that was a class four road, at the time. 288 00:12:07,789 --> 00:12:12,159 Also, Riskey Ranch was worked on by camp owners. 289 00:12:12,159 --> 00:12:13,159 Do you... 290 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:14,159 Yeah, grant me for a second. 291 00:12:14,159 --> 00:12:15,159 We know that. 292 00:12:15,159 --> 00:12:16,159 We go down 1 to 302. 293 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:17,159 There's a section... 294 00:12:17,159 --> 00:12:18,159 Oh, I know. 295 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:19,159 I know. 296 00:12:19,159 --> 00:12:19,220 Yup. 297 00:12:19,220 --> 00:12:19,460 That's 298 00:12:19,460 --> 00:12:19,620 But this was.. 299 00:12:19,620 --> 00:12:27,519 this went up to this 0.3 miles that we're talking about and was done too uh which is fine i mean 300 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:33,720 i'm not saying it's fine by the town standard but it got done if it was a trail i think you 301 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:38,919 still have to ask permission it's not your land you know i mean if you go on the side you have to 302 00:12:38,919 --> 00:12:46,200 ask but nevertheless i did this over with i think or now i guess this will always go on but it 303 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:52,279 doesn't make sense to me at this point to change anything and i don't think it's going to help you 304 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:58,360 guys at all for a connecting road according to the information i have so why does why not just 305 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:04,200 leave it the way it is for now and if down the road it needs to be changed and we get more 306 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:11,480 information we can come up with that that makes sense 307 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,919 down there i think we're good keeping in a class four road the key issue as we talked about is 308 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:26,919 bennington getting the permission on the other side as well the only other way john and i were 309 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:32,759 thinking is the select board makes a law that each of us get atv and we'll pass a bylaw that 310 00:13:32,759 --> 00:13:37,639 we can go up there and see what the maintenance is you know just for inspection yeah yeah yeah 311 00:13:40,279 --> 00:13:46,039 well all five of us want one oh yes she wants one she wants a pink one with a sticker on it 312 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:46,200 yeah 313 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:53,399 yeah and a cute little helmet yeah right oh that's on the side though do you need a 314 00:13:53,399 --> 00:13:56,679 helmet and a side-by-side with seatbelts um 315 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,480 okay but you do need a helmet even on saturday one of those bicycles yeah 316 00:14:16,039 --> 00:14:16,120 it 317 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:23,159 over you against the little cage okay no i'm just asking because my jeep and your side-by-side are 318 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:27,799 pretty much about the same as a matter of fact you're wearing a seat belt of us do you right 319 00:14:27,799 --> 00:14:32,919 and your your your vehicle is probably actually better than a jeep i don't have to wear a helmet 320 00:14:32,919 --> 00:14:40,360 so i'm just wondering what the logic is i don't want to make me wear the helmet so you can't hurt 321 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:46,200 this um it's title 19 highways and title 23 motor vehicles in the country and we're gonna do that in 322 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,600 in the Vermont state statutes. 323 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:49,440 What section? 324 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:50,279 That defines. 325 00:14:50,279 --> 00:14:53,399 That define like highways, trails, 326 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:59,320 it's section 19, 301, 302, 304, 310. 327 00:15:02,039 --> 00:15:05,059 This is all in chapter 19 and the chapter 20, 328 00:15:05,059 --> 00:15:09,440 title, sorry, title 23, chapter four, 329 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,440 chapter 3506 is operation of ATVs, three. 330 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,379 Why don't they just put everything together 331 00:15:17,379 --> 00:15:19,659 instead of just jumping around and rewriting it. 332 00:15:19,659 --> 00:15:21,500 So you have to call a lawyer. 333 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:25,860 And yeah, anyway, those are like some of the. 334 00:15:25,860 --> 00:15:26,779 Thank you. 335 00:15:26,779 --> 00:15:27,620 Okay. 336 00:15:27,620 --> 00:15:29,220 If you just Google it or look it up. 337 00:15:29,220 --> 00:15:30,789 Yeah. 338 00:15:30,789 --> 00:15:32,370 So I don't know if we can make motions 339 00:15:32,370 --> 00:15:37,500 during this hearing or we just wait. 340 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:41,899 I would say wait until, yeah, I'd like to talk to Dave. 341 00:15:41,899 --> 00:15:44,299 Okay, because I just don't, 342 00:15:44,299 --> 00:15:45,799 there's nothing swaying. 343 00:15:45,820 --> 00:15:48,820 You don't want me to go and turn this into a trailer. 344 00:15:48,820 --> 00:15:50,340 He's coming in at six. 345 00:15:50,340 --> 00:15:51,500 He's coming in at six? 346 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:52,879 No, Dave won't be here. 347 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:53,720 Dave's out of town. 348 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,500 Yeah, he won't be here for two weeks. 349 00:15:56,500 --> 00:15:58,399 He's not here tonight. 350 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:04,899 So any other questions for the public hearing? 351 00:16:04,899 --> 00:16:08,460 Just a date when you're gonna contact a lawyer. 352 00:16:08,460 --> 00:16:09,820 I don't know if we're going to. 353 00:16:09,820 --> 00:16:11,379 Oh, okay. 354 00:16:11,379 --> 00:16:13,879 Do we, yeah, do we really need to know? 355 00:16:13,879 --> 00:16:15,820 If we look this up and we can. 356 00:16:15,820 --> 00:16:16,659 How many terms? 357 00:16:16,659 --> 00:16:17,820 Do we get free consultation? 358 00:16:17,820 --> 00:16:21,059 No, it doesn't seem to work out too good for us. 359 00:16:21,059 --> 00:16:23,000 We can look this up and read it. 360 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,379 Again, I said I was never gonna mention a sign again, 361 00:16:25,379 --> 00:16:26,220 so don't. 362 00:16:26,220 --> 00:16:27,059 Right. 363 00:16:27,059 --> 00:16:28,279 I don't think you need to contact a lawyer yet. 364 00:16:28,279 --> 00:16:31,440 I think if we read this, see how we interpret it, 365 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,259 they'd do one thing and. 366 00:16:33,259 --> 00:16:36,820 You know, I'm all for the ATV ride, and you know that. 367 00:16:36,820 --> 00:16:40,039 And if we can, if something needs to be done 368 00:16:40,039 --> 00:16:43,909 and it's for the good of the ATV group 369 00:16:43,909 --> 00:16:46,450 in the town at the same time, I'm all for that. 370 00:16:46,450 --> 00:16:47,830 It just doesn't, you know, you've gotta 371 00:16:47,850 --> 00:16:48,990 sway for the best. 372 00:16:48,990 --> 00:16:50,750 But then you can't ride it. 373 00:16:50,750 --> 00:16:54,370 Well, exactly, but if it's for the best of them, 374 00:16:54,370 --> 00:16:57,509 and that's the thing, we have, right now we have 375 00:16:57,509 --> 00:17:00,090 the best of both worlds, ATVs, side-by-sides, 376 00:17:00,090 --> 00:17:02,610 they can go up that road, right now, legally, 377 00:17:02,610 --> 00:17:05,230 as long as they're all, you know, laws, 378 00:17:05,230 --> 00:17:07,250 and so can't all the other vehicles. 379 00:17:07,250 --> 00:17:11,130 You know, we do have, you know, people that use GPSs 380 00:17:11,130 --> 00:17:13,470 with, you know, school buses that go that way too 381 00:17:13,470 --> 00:17:16,349 and get stuck, but that's not my problem. 382 00:17:16,349 --> 00:17:17,190 Not a good idea. 383 00:17:18,329 --> 00:17:20,529 And, you know, it's a good access 384 00:17:20,529 --> 00:17:22,190 for the emergency department, too. 385 00:17:22,190 --> 00:17:23,029 It is, it is. 386 00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:26,829 Yeah, and I will find out about the 301 road 387 00:17:26,829 --> 00:17:29,670 and getting the key to the, I will make a note of that, 388 00:17:29,670 --> 00:17:32,329 the key for you to that gate. 389 00:17:32,329 --> 00:17:33,170 Okay. Thank you. 390 00:17:33,170 --> 00:17:34,009 Yeah. 391 00:17:34,009 --> 00:17:36,549 I am a liaison to law enforcement, so you can get me 392 00:17:36,549 --> 00:17:37,390 a key if you want. 393 00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:39,589 Good hon up there. 394 00:17:40,940 --> 00:17:44,440 Okay, if there's nothing else, I'd like to have a motion 395 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:45,980 to adjourn the public hearing. 396 00:17:45,980 --> 00:17:47,700 Motion to adjourn. 397 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:48,539 Second. 398 00:17:48,579 --> 00:17:49,420 Second. 399 00:17:49,420 --> 00:17:50,240 All in favor. 400 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,079 Aye. 401 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:51,920 Okay. 402 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,930 So, we'll wait a few minutes and start the select board 403 00:17:55,930 --> 00:17:58,480 meeting at six. 404 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,960 Is that clock changes every year? 405 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:02,000 So, I did go up and take a walk up there, 406 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:02,960 but you've been here a million times. 407 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:03,799 Yes. 408 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:04,940 So, what is the meeting about?