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One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Alright, welcome to the meeting of the Stanford Planning Commission.

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If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, you may do so by addressing the chairperson,

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instead of stating your name and address.

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Pat?

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Okay.

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I do.

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You do.

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I do.

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Okay.

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So.

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You're addressing me, right?

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I'm addressing you.

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No, no, no, I'm not a stickler.

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I just never read this before.

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Right.

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So you're addressing me.

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I am.

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So the Southboard is working on, well, they're considering declassifying the last 43 miles of county road

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from the National Forest Sucker Foundation.

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Okay.

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They're considering going from the Class 4 section that it is down to a legal trail.

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They've scheduled a site visit and a public hearing, and as Planning Commission, you guys

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received notice of that.

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Okay.

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So the site visit, August 1st.

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Guns of August.

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Can you read that book?

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What is it?

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It's called Guns of August.

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Oh.

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Guns of August.

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So special, doing it for the area.

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What was the rationale?

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I didn't see anything on it.

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I haven't seen anything yet.

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The ATV people came with the thought that they're trying to connect the Sucker Pond Trail

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over to Connell Trails.

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Okay.

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But there's a hole in the middle, so by making this park just a legal trail, we don't have

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to worry about maintaining it, because that is the only way it can go through.

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I mean, it's so bad now, it's just being-

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Is that called, what they call the Sippy Hole?

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No.

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Even beyond that.

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No, that's on Whiskey Ranch.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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It's just basically from the power lines-

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From the power lines to Praha.

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I know some of the young guys busted up

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my big five-ton iron truck,

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pulling somebody out of the Sippy Holes.

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It's already basically-

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Yeah, no, this hill is off Whiskey Ranch.

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Okay.

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It's a cheap trail right now, essentially.

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So do we sell it at Whiskey Ranch?

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Does it affect any town owner who camps?

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National Forest owns on both sides of the road

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for the entire section,

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so they're the only ones being affected, as a property.

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So nobody else is gonna be able to?

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Right up there.

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We used to have Whiskey Ranch,

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and it went around the front deck and right around the circle.

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Then they went downtown and got rid of everything.

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Can't ride it on a bus, it's thicker anyway, regardless.

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But we had already sat in,

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because we sat in with Wolford at the time.

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Well, we have a-

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Residents can't just ride anymore without a bus.

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My initial thought,

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until I talk to a few other people,

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is it's not affecting owners of camps,

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and it may make it easier for the guys with the four wheelers

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and the eight convenes that I'm all for, but that's me.

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Just a month ago-

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Just a month ago-

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Just a month ago, didn't they open up

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from County Road to Sucker Pond?

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The same deal?

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That would have been the federal government,

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and I don't know as if they did.

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No deals cut for it no more.

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Is there any potential for building on this?

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I have no idea what you're talking about.

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But where's the closest house?

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Major road questions.

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It's already a good question.

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Well, my question is, where's the closest house?

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It's-

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There's a camp at the end of County Road

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on the corner of like Klondike and County Road.

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Just up Old County, I don't know,

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maybe a hundred yards on the right.

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That's a camp though, where's the closest house?

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Closest house?

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All these students are in, their property.

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Are they talking about the trail

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that goes over to Bennington?

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Yeah, I thought they were talking about

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like all the way at the end-

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Old County Road all the way through over-

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Yeah, well, they're only declassifying

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20, 30 miles.

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The end where both West Road and Old County Road-

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That's where it comes out.

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They're numbers now.

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It's right at the high tension line.

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You go past Klondike on County, maybe-

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I'm familiar with what you're talking about.

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Half mile, maybe three quarters of a mile, whatever.

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So what happens with the state in terms of

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if you declassify a town road to a trail,

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what authority does the state have over that?

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I don't think it matters.

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Yeah, whatever the hell they want to do.

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I mean, I think it's just a matter of getting it off our table.

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You can always make it a road again.

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Whether it affects somebody or doesn't, in my opinion.

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Well, we're not doing anything with it, so-

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If we like the Ford legal trail, we have three others.

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Yeah, let's keep this simple.

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If it's not affecting anybody with a camper or a house,

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and the guys who drive four wheelers and

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side by side, which I've always supported.

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If they're looking for this, it seems to me it's a win-win.

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unless I hear other information.

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That changes my mind.

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I mean, I think it takes some cheaper.

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I mean, I haven't been on one of those in a long time.

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I mean, it's basically a jeep road with some skills to get over the road.

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Yeah, the top of that road is bad.

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I went over it about two weeks ago with the Trail Max that I have.

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And I was like, that's rough.

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That's bad.

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You know, I had to log it up.

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I had to log it all the way up to Sacré-Cœur.

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That's about a year ago.

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20 years ago, you could probably take a pickup over it.

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But it's just, it's gone .

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Well, let me get this on the record.

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If I could hold your thought.

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Let me get this from the Select Board.

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So this is a message from the Select Board to the Planning Commission.

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Dear Planning Commission, the Select Board is considering ne-classification

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of a portion of County Road from Class 4 to a legal trail.

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A Public Site Inspection meeting has been scheduled to

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view the approximate 0.3 mile of county road.

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beginning at the intersection of the national forest trail number 301 sucker sucker pond trail

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and county road continuing along county road westerly to the pound old vermont pound line

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since you are in the interested party formal notice is hereby given of the site inspection

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which will be held on thursday august 1st 2024 at 4 45 p.m beginning at the stanford town office

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986 main road stanford vermont the select board will hold a public hearing on thursday august 1st

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at 5 30 at the town office concerning the approximate 0.3 mile county road if you have

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any questions let us know nancy mishika chair okay so so that my understanding is my writing

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away went all the way up and what i call this is right at the high tension

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yeah and there's a road goes off to the right right that's it there's nothing i mean any cancer

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from their back yeah yeah nothing that i'm aware of i mean i mean i thought that was actually the

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line is it the one going over to the bennington or is it going to suck a pound i think it's right

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at the end of old county where i'd have to see it but i'm assuming it's at the top of west road

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where it turns the right to go to county

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that section from there to the point of the line the 0.3 mile starts at sucker pond trail

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it's only county road from the pound line 0.3 miles back to that sucker pond

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track so it's not the west road it's out of the high tension where the road goes off to the right

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and our road commissioner

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so my point uh with that how hard is it to bring it back to class four once you remove it

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already it would be a major major undertaking no no no what i'm saying is if you go to a trail

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would you have to survey to bring it back to class four you make it a legal trail i believe because

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you would retain the right to do whatever you want with it in the future it didn't answer my

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question though what would it entail to bring it back to the classroom way more money than we had

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so why would you want to get that up you can use it now right so the survey would be required when

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it's not a useful road why don't you just go to the meeting on august first and and get information

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from people who are going to have more information

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any of us yeah i agree with you my only point to bring this up i think there's questions that have

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to be answered yeah it sounds like a lot of people don't know this is a no that started over a year

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and a half yeah yeah so hey look i brought trails uh for people 20 years ago and they let them go

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and now they want them back and you know i see the atvs going up the road and utv 50 miles an hour

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by the dump so some of the some of the roads we gave away we also established legal trails

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which i believe you gave away a lot of railways no the select board did which should never happen

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the legal trails you can retain this if you want to use them in the future okay so my question is

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why can't you use them now for atv you can't look in the bridge of the gap that's all they just want

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to create a loop with their right yeah the loot's already there though it's not though

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it's a gap between stanford and power they get more funding they get more funding technically

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if they ride that from the trail and the epo is there it's fine okay it's not trail that's

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different yeah it doesn't create a loop anymore because uh pono sold their portion to national

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force and then they gave it he just brought up a point that makes sense that it allows

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the state to find people on a section that's not

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true right well they can do that all over the state i mean if you ride when you come off by

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the pond and actually have to cross over the main road to get to the trail you have suction that's

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allowed on that state highway because technically there's basically allows

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if you're past that like a smidgen that stadium that lives right here can be like bam and take

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your whole thing so if you're registered you can fly wherever you want no no you can't not anymore

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it in the last four rows regardless i'm talking about registered insurance and no the only way

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you can do that there's only one little call and i'm not even gonna get on to it on the recording

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but bottom line is you have to be registered insured and have a bassa pass to be able to ride

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the vast okay yeah you can't just come from like maine and be like get a grip you know because

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they're out there and they're pulling people over left and right

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and they're just looking for your sticker and they're looking for your insurance stuff

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huh i mean there are some uh sheriff's department guys that sometime are up closer towards

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greensboro but a lot of the epls and stuff like that they'll sit right at the entrance to like

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sucker pond and stuff like that they're waiting for you to come up the road 20 years ago it was

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a lot of the um game wardens yeah we just don't have and we don't have the pottle stuff like

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how you used to be able to ride like you can ride an atv i don't since that person got hurt or died

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on next to stewards a couple years ago yeah i don't know if things have changed over there

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i'm going to pay attention because i don't ride over there but they were the only ones that you

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can ride in reedsboro you can ride around certain areas but it's like very specific i'm just saying

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i think this is going to be a fun meeting i think it's it's a great thing it ends the goal it allows

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the trails i think they take care of them the people that ride them the majority of the people

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yes we've always got bad eggs don't get me wrong but once they come down main road at a hundred or

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go up the road i mean you're never going to get rid of that okay you can try like that but it's

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in a place too where it's not going to affect the quality of life of certain people right that's all

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i knew a young kid in his teens that had like three friends and they had border cycles

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and it was a sneak trooper legend kind of by the name of paul kip

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yeah and he came to my house more than once to have a talk with my dad

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because we were ripping down the roads and they still do and i i mean that's that's another

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discussion all right let's let's go okay next up okay next thing uh hearing of visitors

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well you've got your five minutes

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i'm asking you guys to approve payment of this bill and

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the planning commission members that have been on the board for a couple years will remember

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that a couple years ago the vcrc came and dangled the carrot and said hey you just we're doing this

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bylaw modernization grant we don't know all the terms yet but just sign up here and you'll get

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better grants and they just kind of try to show all these great things that we would get if we saw

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enough and then when we got to the nitty-gritty that said we need to um increase housing and

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you know the cards i didn't want to share initially the board chose not to change the

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bylaws ultimately so our 10 match was not waived so i received the bill for it this week 909.7

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what was the seven times

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909.07

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that would have been our 10 match that they would have waived and and they come out and

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say it would be waived if the municipality adopted zoning revisions that reflected the

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state's priorities for removing regulatory impediments to housing development so all

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along they knew they were pushing housing development but you never heard those words

241
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for the first year and a half okay so laurie what are the ramifications

242
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we tell them when i go home saying 900 bucks

243
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this grant the bylaw update and then the more we got into it and found out what it was about

244
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we chose not to change our bylaws so

245
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we jostled around several things you could change no i remember

246
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i thought we did change something so that we did avoid that no bylaw was changed i don't think we

247
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ever we ever accepted it you had to change one by one yeah yeah i thought we did go for example

248
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not that you guys want to do any of it but you could go for 150 feet or up from 125. here you

249
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want to change or change like anything i remember it was a very very one simple change i thought we

250
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did it we didn't do it we're at the point now they want 900 bucks and for how long again what's

251
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done forever this is a one-shot deal i think it's too late we had our opportunity

252
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looking we have a seven member board

253
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you're smiling you know where i'm going with this

254
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i make a motion and we call

255
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them to go come insane

256
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yeah all those in favor politically correct

257
00:17:26,349 --> 00:17:31,119
no no no no no i put a motion so that we can that we refused amen

258
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if that was jim sullivan you were doing i think he used the term

259
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if that was jim sullivan that's what you'd be saying because he's the guy

260
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you probably never got i'm inviting jim sullivan to the conference we're going to have in town yeah i'm

261
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good buddies with him but i'd tell him the same thing but he wouldn't he you know he used the vc

262
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obviously for a lot of things i don't think you know we didn't we had a chance to use them you

263
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should pay for it no no no you're right you're right do we have a do we have a second or anything

264
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unless we got to finish here we've got a motion do we have a second i'll jump on yours no yours is

265
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better i make a motion to pay the bill i'll second it all in favor aye aye

266
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get it all right so can i see who's an eye all those not in favor

267
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let's just get it on a page what can they do for us if we just don't pay i mean who knows

268
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but then we next time you need a plan next time you need help next time

269
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this is something i was on a select board for kenya

270
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something that i've learned

271
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you push back and you see how far they're going to push back if you don't push back

272
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you don't know that keep right now i get it do you understand i'm not educated on what happened

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and transpired and the duration so i was proud of that we agreed with it and then i was off the

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board we didn't follow up and do what we were supposed to do if you don't push back you don't

275
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know what the other side is going to do and a lot of times you push back and they just hold

276
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They throw their carts down, and they're like, and what have you got to lose?

277
00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:31,440
Who was pushing for that $1,000?

278
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Who was pushing for the $1,000?

279
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Shaftsbury.

280
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$900.

281
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I remember the vote and how it went down, and we were fighting.

282
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We didn't want to do it, and somebody said, we're going to do it.

283
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,660
And I'm looking at him right there.

284
00:19:44,660 --> 00:19:47,000
I'm not the fucking mayor in town, all right?

285
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,859
All right, well, if you voted on it, it's already all set.

286
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Let's move on.

287
00:19:52,380 --> 00:19:53,319
Because you're blind.

288
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I'm not putting mine on there.

289
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You got an ID vote for it.

290
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You guys put yours.

291
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Vice chair.

292
00:20:01,789 --> 00:20:03,029
I've signed worse things.

293
00:20:03,549 --> 00:20:04,569
I need my thumb back.

294
00:20:04,849 --> 00:20:05,869
Yeah, you need your thumb back.

295
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:09,259
You just want my name on here?

296
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Anywhere specific?

297
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I don't really care.

298
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Just put an okay to agree motion.

299
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Say it again.

300
00:20:19,589 --> 00:20:20,950
The last meeting we did.

301
00:20:21,230 --> 00:20:23,630
All we got is a word, and that's no good.

302
00:20:23,710 --> 00:20:24,210
We did die.

303
00:20:25,890 --> 00:20:27,509
I don't have them anymore.

304
00:20:27,930 --> 00:20:29,130
Do you have any more?

305
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:30,430
Does everybody get this out?

306
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:30,869
I don't know.

307
00:20:32,410 --> 00:20:33,690
Is that what you want?

308
00:20:34,849 --> 00:20:36,210
I think it shows.

309
00:20:36,410 --> 00:20:37,390
Do you have my email?

310
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I would never.

311
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:41,410
Which one did you send?

312
00:20:41,549 --> 00:20:43,089
Which one did you send?

313
00:20:43,289 --> 00:20:45,009
The prince does have all the funds.

314
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Just remember that.

315
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I have a copy.

316
00:20:50,349 --> 00:20:53,029
They took all my email from my iPad.

317
00:20:53,309 --> 00:20:55,490
I took my phone, but I don't get it.

318
00:20:55,490 --> 00:20:56,569
Do we have any more visitors?

319
00:20:56,750 --> 00:20:57,130
No.

320
00:20:57,509 --> 00:20:57,829
Who's speaking?

321
00:20:58,940 --> 00:20:59,460
I'm done.

322
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:00,500
You sure?

323
00:21:01,140 --> 00:21:01,480
Yeah.

324
00:21:01,859 --> 00:21:02,519
Stay in there.

325
00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:03,200
Yeah.

326
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:03,460
No.

327
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:05,559
Okay.

328
00:21:06,460 --> 00:21:08,539
So hearing approval of records.

329
00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:09,539
I sent three emails.

330
00:21:10,019 --> 00:21:12,440
Regular meeting minutes of June 3rd.

331
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,079
Email me.

332
00:21:14,299 --> 00:21:15,819
Can everybody check out the meeting?

333
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,119
The minutes?

334
00:21:24,970 --> 00:21:28,509
Just send me something so I know that we can connect.

335
00:21:28,750 --> 00:21:28,990
Okay.

336
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:35,950
I'm going to ask if anybody has any objections.

337
00:21:36,369 --> 00:21:36,690
Okay.

338
00:21:36,750 --> 00:21:37,349
Okay.

339
00:21:37,369 --> 00:21:39,109
I'm making motion to approve that.

340
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,940
Anybody who was here at the last meeting can approve.

341
00:21:47,069 --> 00:21:48,650
I can't remember who was here or not.

342
00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:52,589
You were not here.

343
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:53,109
Right.

344
00:21:53,230 --> 00:21:53,690
Thank you.

345
00:21:53,730 --> 00:21:54,730
And I was not here.

346
00:21:54,930 --> 00:21:55,630
You were not here.

347
00:21:55,829 --> 00:21:58,410
And I wrote the minutes, so I feel like I shouldn't approve.

348
00:21:58,769 --> 00:21:59,170
Yeah.

349
00:21:59,170 --> 00:21:59,549
Okay.

350
00:21:59,630 --> 00:22:01,529
So one of you two has to approve.

351
00:22:02,380 --> 00:22:03,160
Second, I mean.

352
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:04,279
Second.

353
00:22:05,250 --> 00:22:06,230
All in favor?

354
00:22:07,049 --> 00:22:07,450
Aye.

355
00:22:08,509 --> 00:22:08,910
Aye.

356
00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:10,380
Okay.

357
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:11,420
I was here.

358
00:22:12,059 --> 00:22:12,920
Minutes are approved.

359
00:22:13,259 --> 00:22:14,000
Lori, how do I do this?

360
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:14,740
How do I write that then?

361
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:15,619
I don't believe you can vote right.

362
00:22:16,460 --> 00:22:18,359
Did you get a person to check it?

363
00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:18,559
I don't believe you can vote.

364
00:22:18,940 --> 00:22:21,099
So I can't say all approved, right?

365
00:22:21,380 --> 00:22:22,480
I don't believe you can vote.

366
00:22:22,539 --> 00:22:23,539
How do I write that one?

367
00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:24,319
No, you can't.

368
00:22:24,420 --> 00:22:24,960
You're not here.

369
00:22:25,339 --> 00:22:26,400
You don't have four.

370
00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:28,660
So you do have four votes.

371
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:30,500
So can I, even though I wrote them?

372
00:22:30,619 --> 00:22:30,680
Did four vote?

373
00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:30,779
Yeah.

374
00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:31,460
You can vote.

375
00:22:31,460 --> 00:22:31,880
I didn't vote.

376
00:22:32,019 --> 00:22:32,720
You can vote.

377
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:33,240
You can vote.

378
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:33,799
Because I wrote them.

379
00:22:33,859 --> 00:22:34,299
I wasn't sure.

380
00:22:34,299 --> 00:22:34,579
You can vote.

381
00:22:34,579 --> 00:22:34,839
Okay.

382
00:22:34,940 --> 00:22:35,539
You can vote.

383
00:22:35,619 --> 00:22:37,660
So you would say, Dan made the motion.

384
00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:39,880
I'll be seconded it.

385
00:22:40,039 --> 00:22:40,119
Yep.

386
00:22:40,660 --> 00:22:40,980
Four.

387
00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:44,269
You're going to say four yeses.

388
00:22:44,269 --> 00:22:46,250
And then you're going to say, what's left?

389
00:22:46,450 --> 00:22:46,730
Three.

390
00:22:46,730 --> 00:22:47,490
Three were not present.

391
00:22:47,730 --> 00:22:50,069
Three abstained or not present.

392
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:51,230
Thank you.

393
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:54,880
Okay.

394
00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:55,880
So now it's a discussion.

395
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,240
It looks like my sweater you're making over there.

396
00:22:58,740 --> 00:23:00,240
It's mighty tiny, isn't it?

397
00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:01,079
No, it's just right.

398
00:23:01,420 --> 00:23:03,960
It'd be a nice hat, huh?

399
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:04,680
Cute.

400
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,839
I got two.

401
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,079
Really?

402
00:23:08,279 --> 00:23:08,579
I got two.

403
00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:09,599
What is it?

404
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:11,930
What are you making?

405
00:23:12,250 --> 00:23:13,029
A baby sweater.

406
00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:14,619
Twins?

407
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:15,480
For grandma.

408
00:23:15,539 --> 00:23:16,779
No, I got two different kids.

409
00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:17,160
Two different kids.

410
00:23:17,180 --> 00:23:17,539
Oh, okay.

411
00:23:17,619 --> 00:23:19,880
One is in August and one in November.

412
00:23:20,180 --> 00:23:20,619
Wonderful.

413
00:23:20,839 --> 00:23:21,039
There we go.

414
00:23:21,220 --> 00:23:21,400
All right.

415
00:23:21,420 --> 00:23:24,779
What do you have for laws recently passed?

416
00:23:25,099 --> 00:23:25,440
Open meeting law.

417
00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:26,559
Well, the first one is the-

418
00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:26,920
Enlighten us.

419
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:27,859
Open meeting law.

420
00:23:28,220 --> 00:23:33,579
I don't know if everyone saw that, and I'm glad Lori is at today's meeting.

421
00:23:34,140 --> 00:23:40,700
From what I can discern from attending legal stuff on BCRC when they went over the laws,

422
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,640
the planning commission is considered non-advisory, even though 99% of the time we advise, but

423
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:52,599
because we vote on things like the lot division, for example, we're considered non-advisory.

424
00:23:52,859 --> 00:23:56,680
And therefore, the rules apply to us that we have to have a recording, which we do,

425
00:23:56,759 --> 00:24:00,559
and it has to be digitally put on.

426
00:24:01,180 --> 00:24:03,059
Did you talk about this already, Lori?

427
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,099
Are you going to put it on the website?

428
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,019
I have not talked to a select board yet, but I think it needs to go on the website.

429
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,440
I think that's the new requirement.

430
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:11,940
Yeah.

431
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,400
And so it needs to be posted.

432
00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:15,900
I would say just put it right next to the minutes there.

433
00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:16,680
Right.

434
00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:17,099
Okay.

435
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:24,400
And it needs to be posted for 30 days after we say these minutes are approved.

436
00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:28,400
So the minutes we just approved can go on 30 days from now.

437
00:24:28,539 --> 00:24:31,220
But the advice is to sort of get it on as soon as possible.

438
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,819
And then it has to stay up for 30 days after our next meeting.

439
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:44,400
So we meet the next first Monday in August, and this recording will stay up for 30 days

440
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,019
after that.

441
00:24:45,140 --> 00:24:47,140
But that's sort of something between Lori and me.

442
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,359
So we don't really have to worry about it.

443
00:24:48,460 --> 00:24:58,319
We also have to provide, always have to have an in-person meeting, which isn't such a problem

444
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:00,759
because COVID, it was a bigger deal then.

445
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:08,900
We also have to have a remote option for people, whether it's just a telephone or something

446
00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:09,440
like that.

447
00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:14,380
I'm not sure if we have any other electronic, but we also have to put on the webpage, again,

448
00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:16,880
Lori will be doing this probably.

449
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:22,279
The explanation of the open meeting law, how you can make a complaint if the open meeting

450
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:24,180
law wasn't followed properly, et cetera.

451
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,460
That all needs to go on the webpage.

452
00:25:28,609 --> 00:25:31,430
But again, I don't think this board needs to just be aware of it.

453
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:35,220
Next one, Act 250.

454
00:25:35,660 --> 00:25:44,789
That also, the Act 250, the changes to Act 250 passed where they overrode the veto by

455
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:45,230
the governor.

456
00:25:45,630 --> 00:25:47,750
And we talked about these last meeting.

457
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:54,250
So I talked with Janet Hurley from BCRC, and she also agrees that we probably won't be

458
00:25:54,250 --> 00:25:55,390
a tier one town.

459
00:25:55,890 --> 00:26:01,309
We could, because I guess we do have a village designation, I wasn't sure if we did.

460
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,839
But she's thinking because we don't have the staffing, you have to have X amount of staffing,

461
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:10,799
and we don't have that.

462
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:11,420
Yeah, I know.

463
00:26:11,579 --> 00:26:14,140
So she really doesn't think we'll be a tier one.

464
00:26:14,980 --> 00:26:17,799
So to me, that puts us at tier two, which keeps us...

465
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:23,059
The same old Act 250, or tier three, which goes into protecting natural resources.

466
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,000
Isn't that only like the 2060 or something like that?

467
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,880
That's something else.

468
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:30,319
That's the-

469
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:31,000
Did they get the maps yet?

470
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:31,640
They haven't-

471
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:31,980
No.

472
00:26:32,059 --> 00:26:34,359
They haven't done the land use maps yet.

473
00:26:34,740 --> 00:26:36,519
Tier three is the one that scares me.

474
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:37,529
Right.

475
00:26:37,650 --> 00:26:42,009
When we start talking about natural resources, you're going to take the rest of your rivers,

476
00:26:42,210 --> 00:26:44,809
your water, and your farmland.

477
00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:46,450
What are the chances of that?

478
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:48,049
Are you saying how we're like 50,000?

479
00:26:48,089 --> 00:26:49,289
I'm like 55% national forests.

480
00:26:49,789 --> 00:26:50,230
Right.

481
00:26:50,329 --> 00:26:50,970
Very good.

482
00:26:51,150 --> 00:26:51,930
They're going to protect-

483
00:26:51,930 --> 00:26:52,630
Very good.

484
00:26:52,930 --> 00:26:53,250
Exactly.

485
00:26:53,470 --> 00:26:54,369
There'll be more protections.

486
00:26:55,630 --> 00:27:03,650
And this is what I was talking about earlier is at some point, you've got to push back.

487
00:27:05,380 --> 00:27:09,720
And if nobody pushes back, they just keep taking, taking, taking, taking.

488
00:27:10,579 --> 00:27:12,200
I'm all about pushing back.

489
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,339
I always have that in this country.

490
00:27:14,539 --> 00:27:17,259
And then I want to see what the other guy is going to do.

491
00:27:18,529 --> 00:27:20,849
Okay, are you going to bring the big guns or the big guns?

492
00:27:20,869 --> 00:27:27,450
you're bringing in lawyers and sue us okay maybe we got to take a step back but i want to see what

493
00:27:27,450 --> 00:27:31,930
you're going to do well they're going to draw the maps and it's going to take a couple of years dan

494
00:27:31,930 --> 00:27:35,690
for them to get all that they're going to decide kind of who's in which tier

495
00:27:37,869 --> 00:27:42,430
we're almost to be in the tier three i believe which is where they'll protect our natural

496
00:27:42,430 --> 00:27:50,789
resources so um one like more development pardon identity development right yes

497
00:27:53,150 --> 00:27:58,890
right well we don't have to have we just have to be we have to have they called adequate soil so

498
00:27:58,890 --> 00:28:03,789
they changed it from having to have town water and septic to adequate soil well i'm talking about

499
00:28:03,789 --> 00:28:11,269
they were concentrating more development in all of the established areas right yes people like

500
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:12,410
they're not looking to do that

501
00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:20,170
here right fly over europe you want to see what the future is for us which which country i've flown

502
00:28:20,170 --> 00:28:26,490
over all of them the last few years you got i'm plies that that you could spit to your neighbor's

503
00:28:26,490 --> 00:28:33,799
house and then the rest is all farmland and whatnot it's been that way for a while crunch us

504
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:41,660
all into a little freaking zone and in the natural resources i know the natural i i said it here at

505
00:28:41,660 --> 00:28:43,380
this board he ain't at this level

506
00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:49,000
board meetings natural resources they want in stanford to see uranium up there by sucker pump

507
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:58,779
well the bcrc has till 12 31 26 to write write their new plan their regional plan so we have

508
00:28:58,779 --> 00:29:05,950
until then to really see what they're going to do two years that i mean all right also there's

509
00:29:05,950 --> 00:29:14,009
new flood disclosures um so people who are selling in high-risk areas um have to disclose that now

510
00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:19,690
they made more stalled law laws about that and laura you might know more about the second home

511
00:29:19,690 --> 00:29:24,109
tax rate i wasn't sure exactly if that meant when you're purchasing your second home or do they get a

512
00:29:24,109 --> 00:29:30,819
higher tax rate all together i'm not sure if that has to do with the transfer tax when you're buying

513
00:29:30,819 --> 00:29:37,920
right as opposed to property taxes i wasn't sure i couldn't tell yeah there were a lot of clerks

514
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,539
and forth trying to figure out what that mean for explanation

515
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:45,880
Just for clarification on what you're talking about.

516
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,599
In Vermont, under real estate law, you did not have to disclose if you had any water issues.

517
00:29:52,339 --> 00:29:54,660
So when you were selling, you never had to disclose it.

518
00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:57,339
I'm not sure what it was before, but I know now they're making it.

519
00:29:57,579 --> 00:29:58,680
No, I'm telling you.

520
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,859
Now they changed the law, and now you have to disclose it.

521
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,559
You always had to disclose it in Massachusetts.

522
00:30:04,339 --> 00:30:10,119
But in Vermont, you could sell a property that's been flooded, like just about this whole town,

523
00:30:10,299 --> 00:30:12,259
and not disclose it was flooded.

524
00:30:12,539 --> 00:30:14,220
You could not disclose a lot of things.

525
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:18,079
And now they have to, which they should anyway.

526
00:30:18,299 --> 00:30:21,039
You should be ashamed to not disclose things like that.

527
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,099
But that's not for me to decide.

528
00:30:23,259 --> 00:30:23,759
So anyways.

529
00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:29,240
Or even if you're in the threat of being, like even if you've never been in a...

530
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,200
You're in the river corridor.

531
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:30,920
Yes.

532
00:30:31,019 --> 00:30:32,539
This whole town needs to be in the river corridor.

533
00:30:32,539 --> 00:30:33,339
If you need flooded...

534
00:30:33,339 --> 00:30:35,440
This whole town is not in the river corridor.

535
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,119
There are rocks on your head.

536
00:30:37,180 --> 00:30:40,160
Years ago, freaking people used to bring in bulldozers.

537
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,119
Say it's not hot around here.

538
00:30:41,180 --> 00:30:42,420
You want to talk, talk.

539
00:30:42,619 --> 00:30:43,839
Lower your voice.

540
00:30:44,019 --> 00:30:45,220
I'm going to clear the river corridor.

541
00:30:45,220 --> 00:30:46,079
Lower your voice.

542
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,440
Don't tell me how to talk, all right?

543
00:30:48,460 --> 00:30:49,460
Don't scream at me.

544
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:51,940
You want to holler at them, go ahead, but don't scream at me.

545
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:57,619
They'd clear the brook out, get a bulldozer, and then the water didn't come into your yards.

546
00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:01,880
Then the state took over the rivers and created these river corridors.

547
00:31:02,140 --> 00:31:03,160
It's a bunch of bullshit.

548
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,000
It is, but they've got it.

549
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:10,019
No, no, no, but we don't have to keep giving them more and more and more.

550
00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:10,920
That's my point.

551
00:31:11,539 --> 00:31:13,539
I'm not yelling at you in particular.

552
00:31:13,539 --> 00:31:15,740
I'm yelling at the whole freaking situation.

553
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:21,000
We don't have to keep giving them freaking ground.

554
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:25,339
Listen, I agree, and I said a long time ago,

555
00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:31,700
why is this town allowing Green Mountain Forest to buy our lands and get $150 an acre in taxes

556
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:37,740
so we get $30,000 a year on the 12,000 acres when we should be getting a half a million?

557
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,440
Why did this town allow that?

558
00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:42,019
Who's behind that?

559
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,079
Because people couldn't afford to pay the tax?

560
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,240
No, no, because the Planning Commission, when they first joined, was passing laws so nobody

561
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,519
up in the forest zone could even build a freaking camp.

562
00:31:53,329 --> 00:31:57,470
You mean to tell you you're going to just pay taxes on it forever and you can't do anything?

563
00:31:57,730 --> 00:32:00,410
Because this board passed the freaking laws.

564
00:32:00,769 --> 00:32:02,490
You and I worked on that to change that.

565
00:32:02,529 --> 00:32:04,369
You were not on the board when I first joined.

566
00:32:04,369 --> 00:32:06,869
No, you and I worked on that to change that 20 years ago.

567
00:32:06,869 --> 00:32:08,990
Right, but the damage was already done.

568
00:32:09,089 --> 00:32:12,930
The patent sold off all these lands because nobody could do anything.

569
00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:14,289
What happened?

570
00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:16,890
We went to the land that North Adams just sold off.

571
00:32:17,109 --> 00:32:18,890
They can't do anything on it.

572
00:32:19,410 --> 00:32:19,890
Why?

573
00:32:20,130 --> 00:32:24,069
Because North Adams owned it, we were getting good taxes for it, they'd sell it to the land

574
00:32:24,069 --> 00:32:28,029
of public trust, and then the board voted and let the Green Mountain take it.

575
00:32:28,150 --> 00:32:30,769
More land should never wet, right?

576
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:33,309
Yeah, it's all water over the dam now.

577
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:38,089
Oh yeah, last year, you're talking 20 years ago, I thought about where we're at now.

578
00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:43,289
People now in town, you own land in the forest zone, you can build a cabin.

579
00:32:43,849 --> 00:32:45,470
You can even put in a...

580
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:46,170
You can build a house.

581
00:32:46,369 --> 00:32:49,329
No, no, you can build a, or you can have a...

582
00:32:50,170 --> 00:32:51,289
I can't build anything.

583
00:32:51,950 --> 00:32:53,369
There's no work for you.

584
00:32:54,730 --> 00:32:58,869
No, no, no, you can even now, you don't even need a suffrax system, you can have a what?

585
00:32:59,069 --> 00:33:00,430
You can have a composting plant.

586
00:33:01,190 --> 00:33:02,329
In the village?

587
00:33:02,569 --> 00:33:03,829
In the forest zone.

588
00:33:03,869 --> 00:33:05,589
That's pretty much what North Adams is on, I think.

589
00:33:05,970 --> 00:33:08,769
I think you can pretty much have one anywhere in the world.

590
00:33:08,769 --> 00:33:12,210
So we did, we did accomplish some good things, but it was...

591
00:33:13,769 --> 00:33:15,309
The town was already...

592
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:22,740
Still a lot of acres that could be gone to those guys, and like you said, they keep buying more and more and more.

593
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:32,740
The forest was essentially about as open as it's going to get a few years ago, when we removed the conditional use process to the building in the forest.

594
00:33:33,059 --> 00:33:35,200
It's just a regular permanent process now.

595
00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:36,519
Good, good.

596
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:38,619
I like to see people doing stuff.

597
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,079
Even if we don't get stuff.

598
00:33:40,460 --> 00:33:42,380
You don't use it, you lose it.

599
00:33:43,460 --> 00:33:44,000
That's the old saying.

600
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:45,559
I mean, it's going to sell.

601
00:33:45,579 --> 00:33:46,839
It's already selling up that way.

602
00:33:47,339 --> 00:33:50,220
You know, if you're talking West Road, Bondyke Road.

603
00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:51,640
It's selling?

604
00:33:52,099 --> 00:33:52,500
Yeah.

605
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,140
People are trying to buy land on it.

606
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,700
I get notices every day for the 48 acres I own.

607
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,220
It's coming, I've been saying that for four or five years.

608
00:34:01,339 --> 00:34:02,660
Three times what I paid for it.

609
00:34:02,779 --> 00:34:04,000
What do they want it for?

610
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:12,000
I mean, the high speed of that, as much as it's a great thing, it's probably the end game as far as people, you know, a lot of people move into town looking for land.

611
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:13,179
Because they can...

612
00:34:15,179 --> 00:34:16,920
There's three rivers running through it.

613
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:17,760
Why do they want it?

614
00:34:18,619 --> 00:34:20,079
They don't know if they're buying it.

615
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,420
No, I don't think so.

616
00:34:21,460 --> 00:34:24,420
I think with the GPS, you can see just about anything.

617
00:34:24,579 --> 00:34:26,699
Yeah, well, they're buying and they're coming.

618
00:34:26,820 --> 00:34:27,679
And they are coming.

619
00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:29,829
Yeah.

620
00:34:30,570 --> 00:34:31,769
Well, they'll be taxed more.

621
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:34,030
What would we buy them on?

622
00:34:34,349 --> 00:34:35,949
Before Dan starts screaming at him.

623
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:39,869
Dave, I like yelling at you.

624
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:41,329
Don't take it personally.

625
00:34:41,630 --> 00:34:43,210
So, bottom line is...

626
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:48,550
It could possibly be classified into Tier 3, but we're not going to know that until 2026.

627
00:34:49,409 --> 00:34:50,389
26, the end of it.

628
00:34:51,070 --> 00:34:51,510
Right.

629
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:56,539
I'm sure there'll be more information for it coming over the next couple of years.

630
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:04,340
Yeah, it's 730.

631
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:08,139
Who handles that? Us?

632
00:35:12,340 --> 00:35:14,559
Who is that, though? Is that planning?

633
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:15,079
That's the Planning Commission.

634
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,159
That's the Planning Commission through the Planning and County Regional Commission.

635
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:21,699
All that was set up through that.

636
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,579
It's nice to have a few people that know what the hell is going on.

637
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:27,460
Yeah, I know it.

638
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:30,320
Yeah.

639
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,539
We wouldn't want to keep that.

640
00:35:35,019 --> 00:35:38,980
There is grants available with that, especially for historic structures.

641
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,880
For example, if the town was to buy a property in the center of town and wanted to renovate it,

642
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,000
there would be substantial funds.

643
00:35:47,139 --> 00:35:48,579
There would be some grants available for that.

644
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:55,010
I've mentioned this five, six, seven, eight times.

645
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:57,349
There may be some grants at the school that we benefit from.

646
00:35:57,949 --> 00:35:59,829
It's right here in the Village Center District.

647
00:36:00,650 --> 00:36:01,829
There's got to be stuff out there.

648
00:36:01,949 --> 00:36:05,050
I just don't have the time to research grants and all that stuff.

649
00:36:05,409 --> 00:36:07,750
There's money available because of that designation.

650
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:09,300
Okay.

651
00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:18,489
Are we on the Flooded Safety or the Equity?

652
00:36:20,860 --> 00:36:22,960
I don't think we touched on Flooded Safety.

653
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,559
Well, you kind of touched on it.

654
00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:25,239
Oh, okay.

655
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,559
I think I touched on it.

656
00:36:28,739 --> 00:36:29,940
Full loaders.

657
00:36:30,019 --> 00:36:33,260
We skipped over the Renewable Energy Standard.

658
00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:34,519
Let's just do that quickly.

659
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,119
Again, it's just to repeat myself.

660
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:41,619
100% renewable by Vermont by 2035.

661
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:50,780
And moving in-state energy coming from within Vermont from 10% to 20%.

662
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:53,440
So they've really moved the goalpost for that.

663
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:58,610
Does renewable energy include wood or no?

664
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:58,829
No.

665
00:36:58,969 --> 00:37:00,929
But not for individuals.

666
00:37:01,929 --> 00:37:06,869
The biomass is not going to be allowed for corporations like Green Mountain Power.

667
00:37:07,070 --> 00:37:08,210
That doesn't mean Dan Poppin.

668
00:37:08,369 --> 00:37:09,550
It means Green Mountain Power.

669
00:37:10,809 --> 00:37:18,559
So these generating electric plants that use chips to make electricity,

670
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,440
they're no longer going to be able to use wood chips.

671
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,320
Oh, wood chips.

672
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:22,739
Okay.

673
00:37:25,219 --> 00:37:27,860
At least I know they're not going to be making more.

674
00:37:28,059 --> 00:37:30,579
They're probably only about 1% or 2% now, right?

675
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:31,719
What's the percentage?

676
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:32,360
I don't know.

677
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,360
We used to ship it to everybody in the Northeast.

678
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:35,659
It'd be hard.

679
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,059
I mean, I don't know how they could possibly imagine removing it from home heating fuel in the Northeast.

680
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:41,659
I think that's a whole different question.

681
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,019
I just don't think that's possible.

682
00:37:43,099 --> 00:37:44,559
I hope you guys are right.

683
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:46,980
Mini-splits won't go this far north.

684
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:49,179
So that's not the technology that's going to work.

685
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,199
Yeah, we're not talking about individuals here.

686
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:51,480
Thank you.

687
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:56,920
You know, the state's more likely to add...

688
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:57,980
Oh, boy, you get fired up.

689
00:37:58,820 --> 00:38:03,880
The state's more likely to add debris to the stream than they are to put a bulldozer in it for trout habitat.

690
00:38:04,969 --> 00:38:06,349
They're more likely to what?

691
00:38:06,610 --> 00:38:07,369
Add debris.

692
00:38:08,070 --> 00:38:10,809
Add wood, logs, things of that nature.

693
00:38:11,250 --> 00:38:11,929
For what?

694
00:38:11,969 --> 00:38:14,550
So I don't need to come through and wipe out the population again?

695
00:38:15,289 --> 00:38:17,610
There's not a need of tracing the whole state.

696
00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:19,110
That's the way the trends are going.

697
00:38:20,610 --> 00:38:21,670
There's some native birds.

698
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:22,329
There's native trout.

699
00:38:25,710 --> 00:38:26,150
Yeah.

700
00:38:27,150 --> 00:38:27,590
Right.

701
00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:29,309
When I was a kid...

702
00:38:29,309 --> 00:38:32,469
I don't want to take up time here,

703
00:38:32,570 --> 00:38:33,409
but this is important.

704
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:35,510
When I was a kid, I used to fish in brooks.

705
00:38:37,269 --> 00:38:38,510
I used to catch more

706
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:39,610
native trout

707
00:38:40,110 --> 00:38:41,130
in these brooks,

708
00:38:41,289 --> 00:38:44,030
even basin brooks.

709
00:38:44,590 --> 00:38:46,030
And tell me,

710
00:38:46,110 --> 00:38:47,690
Sally, you'll remember,

711
00:38:50,309 --> 00:38:52,130
what did, in the summertime,

712
00:38:52,329 --> 00:38:54,610
when it got hot and dry and everything was dusty,

713
00:38:54,949 --> 00:38:56,989
what did the town road boss

714
00:38:56,989 --> 00:38:58,030
spray on the roads?

715
00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:58,530
Oil.

716
00:38:59,090 --> 00:38:59,650
Oil.

717
00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:02,179
Used motor oil.

718
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,360
And I'm...

719
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:07,840
That's a fact.

720
00:39:08,570 --> 00:39:11,429
And there were more trout back then.

721
00:39:12,429 --> 00:39:13,929
Now there's nothing there

722
00:39:13,929 --> 00:39:15,150
unless they stock it.

723
00:39:15,449 --> 00:39:16,869
So what the hell's happened?

724
00:39:17,110 --> 00:39:19,230
Back then there were sewers going in the brooks.

725
00:39:19,369 --> 00:39:21,309
The main problem was they don't have any

726
00:39:21,309 --> 00:39:22,570
genetic diversity anymore

727
00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:23,710
because they've been shut out

728
00:39:23,710 --> 00:39:24,690
from all the dams and dams.

729
00:39:25,409 --> 00:39:27,469
There's no genetic diversity getting up

730
00:39:27,469 --> 00:39:28,550
for the fish to breed from,

731
00:39:28,610 --> 00:39:29,590
so they're basically...

732
00:39:29,590 --> 00:39:31,750
Plus those rivers drop alone out.

733
00:39:31,929 --> 00:39:33,809
They went from like this

734
00:39:33,809 --> 00:39:35,789
to like triple size,

735
00:39:35,909 --> 00:39:37,869
and so the water level went from this

736
00:39:37,869 --> 00:39:40,230
to this, and like they're just,

737
00:39:40,289 --> 00:39:41,469
the only way they're coming downstream

738
00:39:41,469 --> 00:39:43,489
is if there's a massive...

739
00:39:43,489 --> 00:39:48,030
We had a lot of beaver dams

740
00:39:48,030 --> 00:39:49,130
and that produced the trout

741
00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:51,869
and they would go under there

742
00:39:52,570 --> 00:39:53,010
and I don't know...

743
00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:54,969
Trust me, I've fished them every...

744
00:39:55,630 --> 00:39:57,329
known to man around here,

745
00:39:57,449 --> 00:39:59,650
and they're not, they're just not there.

746
00:39:59,789 --> 00:40:01,269
I mean, I find some small ones,

747
00:40:01,429 --> 00:40:04,110
some small browns, but...

748
00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:06,210
I mean, you gotta go down

749
00:40:06,210 --> 00:40:07,789
towards Clarksburg

750
00:40:07,789 --> 00:40:09,849
to even get the rainbows

751
00:40:09,849 --> 00:40:12,690
and the bigger browns.

752
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:14,130
I mean, I pulled a big one

753
00:40:14,130 --> 00:40:14,849
by the water.

754
00:40:15,210 --> 00:40:15,750
No.

755
00:40:17,369 --> 00:40:18,969
I'm trying to reconnect

756
00:40:19,590 --> 00:40:21,150
all these streams.

757
00:40:22,570 --> 00:40:23,730
The long, long, long...

758
00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:25,389
They've been there for years.

759
00:40:25,789 --> 00:40:27,630
They've only been in that dam.

760
00:40:27,969 --> 00:40:30,610
I'll fish at the top of the...

761
00:40:30,610 --> 00:40:31,789
You know where the big dam is

762
00:40:31,789 --> 00:40:33,409
where Route 8 meets Route 2?

763
00:40:33,550 --> 00:40:35,409
That big dam that hits the flood chute?

764
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:36,949
You go up to the little dam

765
00:40:36,949 --> 00:40:38,150
right behind those row houses,

766
00:40:38,349 --> 00:40:40,730
there's a huge sinkhole in there

767
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:42,289
right at the bottom of that dam.

768
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:44,809
And there are some monsters in there

769
00:40:44,809 --> 00:40:46,050
and little babies have been there

770
00:40:46,050 --> 00:40:47,710
for years.

771
00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:51,170
You see me breaking all the rules?

772
00:40:52,570 --> 00:40:53,389
This is the best fishing spot?

773
00:40:53,469 --> 00:40:55,329
I wouldn't say it's the best fishing spot.

774
00:40:55,329 --> 00:40:56,809
It's the best fishing spot.

775
00:40:58,030 --> 00:40:59,050
Aldi already knows.

776
00:40:59,469 --> 00:41:00,949
So there'll be more

777
00:41:02,510 --> 00:41:03,949
investigation on this stream

778
00:41:03,949 --> 00:41:05,250
up here by Trout Unlimited

779
00:41:05,250 --> 00:41:06,289
in the near future

780
00:41:06,289 --> 00:41:08,070
because they're already worried

781
00:41:08,070 --> 00:41:09,530
about the main stem of the Hoosick

782
00:41:09,530 --> 00:41:11,449
and the south branch of the Hoosick

783
00:41:11,449 --> 00:41:12,389
becoming too warm.

784
00:41:12,489 --> 00:41:14,050
It's going to be carp country

785
00:41:14,050 --> 00:41:15,050
in the next 10 years.

786
00:41:15,110 --> 00:41:16,389
Is that mean by saying

787
00:41:22,570 --> 00:41:22,909
it's going to be like

788
00:41:22,909 --> 00:41:24,210
an Arlington farm?

789
00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:27,010
Plus there's a massive river

790
00:41:27,010 --> 00:41:28,150
that will just get rid of the dam?

791
00:41:31,429 --> 00:41:33,349
Well, that's part of the flood thing, right?

792
00:41:33,469 --> 00:41:34,869
Well, according to Trout Unlimited,

793
00:41:34,869 --> 00:41:35,530
it's going to get rid of the dam.

794
00:41:35,650 --> 00:41:37,489
Because that's like so far off.

795
00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:39,250
Fly fishing would never

796
00:41:39,250 --> 00:41:40,150
finish nothing there.

797
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:43,829
I think it's going to tie in

798
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:45,630
the renewable energy thing.

799
00:41:45,690 --> 00:41:46,769
I think it's going to tie in with the

800
00:41:46,769 --> 00:41:48,369
land development maps when they make them.

801
00:41:48,530 --> 00:41:50,849
So I think those two things to watch together.

802
00:41:52,570 --> 00:41:53,230
Take on it.

803
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:57,309
In between now and then

804
00:41:57,309 --> 00:41:59,010
they can do anything to those rules.

805
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,119
As far as high density

806
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:03,599
population in Stanford,

807
00:42:04,820 --> 00:42:06,199
like it or not, there's a

808
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:07,719
safeguard built in as far as

809
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:08,679
storm water goes.

810
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:10,760
It would be hard to get around that.

811
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:14,860
I eliminated a toxic

812
00:42:16,030 --> 00:42:17,829
septic that was going

813
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:18,510
into the river.

814
00:42:18,889 --> 00:42:20,409
You listed this territory.

815
00:42:20,789 --> 00:42:22,469
I removed the threat.

816
00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:25,550
I would actually guess it's not the only

817
00:42:26,090 --> 00:42:28,449
Two straight pipe right to the river

818
00:42:28,449 --> 00:42:29,630
when I dug it up.

819
00:42:30,030 --> 00:42:31,989
Straight into the river.

820
00:42:32,449 --> 00:42:33,630
There was no beds.

821
00:42:33,809 --> 00:42:35,170
It wasn't going into the corner of the

822
00:42:35,170 --> 00:42:37,250
yard. Straight into the river.

823
00:42:37,489 --> 00:42:38,630
It's like, wow.

824
00:42:40,139 --> 00:42:41,179
That was a good one.

825
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:42,300
Anyway.

826
00:42:45,820 --> 00:42:47,000
We did that.

827
00:42:47,099 --> 00:42:47,480
We did that.

828
00:42:47,699 --> 00:42:49,139
Okay, flood safety app.

829
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,360
Kurt, you seem to know more about this than me.

830
00:42:52,619 --> 00:42:53,639
The flood safety app?

831
00:42:56,980 --> 00:42:58,780
So they're going to do some river

832
00:42:58,780 --> 00:42:59,679
corridor protections.

833
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,579
They're going to be making

834
00:43:02,579 --> 00:43:04,500
new maps again for

835
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:05,599
2026.

836
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:08,460
They're going to have state regulations

837
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,800
to keep development

838
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,400
the new developments

839
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,300
out of harm's way.

840
00:43:15,739 --> 00:43:17,340
That's the way they put it.

841
00:43:17,780 --> 00:43:20,559
So they make the maps where not to build

842
00:43:22,619 --> 00:43:24,679
and allow space

843
00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:26,059
for the rivers to overflow

844
00:43:26,059 --> 00:43:28,800
and the river to move, the water to move.

845
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:30,420
So they're going to take over

846
00:43:30,420 --> 00:43:32,559
they're looking to take over wetlands.

847
00:43:32,619 --> 00:43:33,380
Wetlands, yes.

848
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,280
The state's going to take over all water.

849
00:43:35,619 --> 00:43:37,539
Right, which is my next thing. Wetland protections.

850
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,099
They're going to do wetland mapping.

851
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:42,079
Which is to protect the wetlands we have

852
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:43,360
or actually increase them.

853
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:46,820
You're going to have to pay

854
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:47,800
for your well water.

855
00:43:48,019 --> 00:43:49,960
I would have doubt at some point they're trying to jam

856
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,320
You're doing it in other states now.

857
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:54,300
I mean the town doesn't necessarily need

858
00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:55,079
sewer and water.

859
00:43:55,340 --> 00:43:56,579
They need one or the other.

860
00:43:58,900 --> 00:43:59,440
Think about it.

861
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:02,340
If they went in and tried to regulate

862
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:04,320
your well

863
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:06,380
think about how much money

864
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:08,039
that would cost them to

865
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:10,199
because they'd be responsible for cleaning it

866
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:11,500
and maintaining it.

867
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:14,280
If you're going to pay for it, that means they take ownership

868
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:16,900
of said water that's coming through there

869
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:18,699
which in return they will have to

870
00:44:18,699 --> 00:44:20,619
monitor, they will have to hire people

871
00:44:20,619 --> 00:44:21,739
to do that, they will have to

872
00:44:21,739 --> 00:44:25,300
I mean it would be an astronomical amount.

873
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:25,980
I know, I know.

874
00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:28,719
But my point is they're doing it

875
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:29,440
in other states.

876
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:31,420
Wouldn't they lay it?

877
00:44:31,420 --> 00:44:33,920
It would have to be multiple plants.

878
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,440
My gravity is spring.

879
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,239
They'll say we own it.

880
00:44:38,380 --> 00:44:40,360
You pay us X amount per gallon

881
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,980
there's a meter in your house now.

882
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:44,380
I have no idea how it works.

883
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,440
Wouldn't they

884
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,099
wouldn't they lay pipe and everything

885
00:44:50,099 --> 00:44:52,159
if they put in town water?

886
00:44:57,380 --> 00:44:59,139
I don't think they'd utilize

887
00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:59,599
their wells.

888
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,519
I don't think you have a shallow well.

889
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,920
I have a 15 foot

890
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:06,480
shallow well.

891
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:08,340
It's a new construction.

892
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,619
I don't think you get put.

893
00:45:10,099 --> 00:45:12,260
The banks are restricted but you still

894
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,639
can do it.

895
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,340
I think in New Hampshire

896
00:45:16,340 --> 00:45:17,039
it's more restricted.

897
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:20,820
They give you specs

898
00:45:20,820 --> 00:45:22,539
if you're putting in a shallow well

899
00:45:22,539 --> 00:45:23,380
they give you specs.

900
00:45:25,179 --> 00:45:26,800
I've heard them, they're crazy.

901
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,219
I'm on a main bank.

902
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:30,340
So even when we're

903
00:45:30,340 --> 00:45:32,420
droughty, I'm flowing.

904
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:35,199
My well could feed

905
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:35,860
10 houses.

906
00:45:37,099 --> 00:45:38,860
Lawrence's well up there

907
00:45:38,860 --> 00:45:39,519
on the mountain

908
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:42,440
I think it's a golf course

909
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,619
that could feed 3 quarters of the town.

910
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:46,380
I've seen that well

911
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:47,019
when I was little.

912
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,280
There's some houses attached to that.

913
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:51,920
Huh?

914
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,340
I'm telling you

915
00:45:56,340 --> 00:45:58,340
that is the spring of all springs.

916
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,920
The last thing is about dams

917
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:05,980
like dam safety.

918
00:46:06,260 --> 00:46:08,739
They want to take the maintenance

919
00:46:08,739 --> 00:46:10,699
and inspection and what not

920
00:46:10,699 --> 00:46:12,619
of dams away from municipalities.

921
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:14,139
I'm not an expert on this

922
00:46:14,139 --> 00:46:14,320
but

923
00:46:16,099 --> 00:46:18,960
it turned over to the Department of Environmental

924
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:20,360
Conservation

925
00:46:21,019 --> 00:46:22,159
so it would become more of a

926
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:24,539
more state monitored

927
00:46:24,539 --> 00:46:26,739
as opposed to locally monitored

928
00:46:26,739 --> 00:46:28,840
which I know dams are not going to like that.

929
00:46:29,340 --> 00:46:31,000
We don't have any dams

930
00:46:31,019 --> 00:46:31,380
in the basement town.

931
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,840
Right now I can only focus on

932
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,679
Sanford. I can't focus on the whole state.

933
00:46:37,059 --> 00:46:39,340
And the emergency planning will go from

934
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,679
municipalities more to the state

935
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:43,059
the VCRC, the region.

936
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:44,539
Emergency planning?

937
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:46,039
Pardon?

938
00:46:46,219 --> 00:46:47,980
That's part of the emergency planning?

939
00:46:49,449 --> 00:46:50,349
Regional planning.

940
00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:54,800
Yeah, but we're working around that.

941
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:55,280
That's right.

942
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:58,780
That's all I got.

943
00:46:58,860 --> 00:47:00,199
Okay, old business anybody?

944
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,199
I'd like to

945
00:47:05,179 --> 00:47:05,699
chat about

946
00:47:06,460 --> 00:47:08,780
that letter you sent out for emergency

947
00:47:08,780 --> 00:47:10,659
management and our students

948
00:47:10,659 --> 00:47:11,820
who thought about it.

949
00:47:12,940 --> 00:47:14,920
Two weeks ago when my power went down

950
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,059
again, I've had a generator for years

951
00:47:17,059 --> 00:47:18,500
and I have physical due out

952
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:20,260
but I thought

953
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:23,199
as a board, either the select board

954
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:24,099
or this board

955
00:47:24,099 --> 00:47:28,139
the benefit this town would have is

956
00:47:28,820 --> 00:47:29,639
if we

957
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,059
helped sponsor through the state

958
00:47:32,059 --> 00:47:33,599
people to get generators

959
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,880
powered by propane

960
00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:38,599
so that every house has one

961
00:47:39,460 --> 00:47:41,119
so that in an emergency

962
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:42,559
everybody would have power.

963
00:47:42,780 --> 00:47:44,480
And that's something the state would help fund.

964
00:47:44,579 --> 00:47:46,760
It would take about a million and a half dollars

965
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,280
I calculated it out.

966
00:47:48,659 --> 00:47:50,719
The state would pay 80% of it

967
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,500
and the town would have to come up.

968
00:47:52,619 --> 00:47:54,360
You know, you wouldn't be able to buy

969
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,320
trucks for Dave one year maybe.

970
00:47:57,199 --> 00:47:57,679
But

971
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:00,659
I think that's something, to your point

972
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:02,820
it gives you water

973
00:48:02,820 --> 00:48:04,199
it gives you

974
00:48:04,739 --> 00:48:06,539
emergency power, it gives you heat

975
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,440
if everybody had a generator

976
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,719
that would solve a lot of problems.

977
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,760
Are you talking about a whole home generator?

978
00:48:12,179 --> 00:48:14,480
I'm talking about a Generac

979
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,079
10,000 watt generator.

980
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,300
That's about 15 grand a piece.

981
00:48:18,579 --> 00:48:19,099
No.

982
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:20,159
Yeah.

983
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:25,099
I researched it

984
00:48:25,099 --> 00:48:25,920
for about six months

985
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,360
because when we had all that stuff went out

986
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,880
I was getting sick of going out

987
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,820
You put me right where

988
00:48:32,820 --> 00:48:34,500
my brother installs them

989
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:36,159
and he's not getting that kind of money.

990
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,679
Things have changed

991
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:38,500
and I've been honored.

992
00:48:39,579 --> 00:48:41,519
From soup to nuts.

993
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,460
So if you don't have somebody in your family

994
00:48:44,460 --> 00:48:46,199
or your buddy doing a solid

995
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:48,559
like Paul just had the regular

996
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:50,460
you can't get a Generac

997
00:48:50,460 --> 00:48:52,099
he got Kohler

998
00:48:52,780 --> 00:48:54,119
and he put it in

999
00:48:54,119 --> 00:48:55,420
he had to have the propane run

1000
00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:57,139
the electrician, you know, the whole shebang

1001
00:48:57,139 --> 00:49:00,719
it was between 13 and 15 thousand

1002
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,159
his was on the higher end

1003
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:04,119
because he wanted a little bit of a bigger tank

1004
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:05,699
for propane. My thing is

1005
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:07,639
I'd be all for it.

1006
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,519
How is it going to pay for me to get a Generac?

1007
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:11,320
It doesn't probably be

1008
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,300
15 grand

1009
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:15,500
so at least you have a number

1010
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:16,679
I think you probably

1011
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:18,019
with the amount we're talking about

1012
00:49:18,019 --> 00:49:19,480
you could probably get it for less.

1013
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:23,320
So if the states will only give 80%

1014
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:24,980
on 10 grand, 8,000

1015
00:49:24,980 --> 00:49:26,480
and the town has to come up

1016
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,760
or the people have to come up with a couple thousand bucks

1017
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:30,820
it's a critical thing.

1018
00:49:30,980 --> 00:49:33,760
We lose power here more than anything else.

1019
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:34,980
We lose power.

1020
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,960
What we can do, we can make a difference in this town

1021
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,380
to your point Dan

1022
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:42,460
to your point, I'm sorry

1023
00:49:42,460 --> 00:49:43,579
Well okay

1024
00:49:44,219 --> 00:49:45,920
so I hear what you're saying

1025
00:49:46,460 --> 00:49:48,179
and if you can come up with

1026
00:49:48,179 --> 00:49:50,900
numbers that the state is going to pay 80%

1027
00:49:51,380 --> 00:49:52,719
I'd be willing to listen

1028
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,239
I have a hard time thinking

1029
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:55,159
they'll pay squat

1030
00:49:55,860 --> 00:49:59,039
Our state is broke, the federal government is broke

1031
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:00,159
I'm trying to get

1032
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:01,199
Do you have any leads on this?

1033
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:02,719
How's that?

1034
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,940
Do you have any leads on this?

1035
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:07,860
There's nothing

1036
00:50:09,019 --> 00:50:11,000
Nobody's initiated a program like this

1037
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,719
It's just like when we brought in broadband

1038
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,019
25 years ago

1039
00:50:14,019 --> 00:50:15,840
Nobody even heard of it

1040
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,199
We brought it in and it happened

1041
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:19,460
That's why we have high speed internet today

1042
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:23,210
I just got the idea from Dan

1043
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:23,929
saying hey

1044
00:50:24,590 --> 00:50:27,030
emergency, let's see this, that

1045
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:28,949
and I said what's the most important thing

1046
00:50:28,949 --> 00:50:30,309
we can do for people in this town

1047
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:32,190
and that's for them to have power

1048
00:50:32,190 --> 00:50:33,269
Okay, okay

1049
00:50:33,269 --> 00:50:35,929
So here's where you and I are in a different thing

1050
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:37,989
I'm not looking at doing stuff

1051
00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:41,559
I'm looking to get people to do stuff for themselves

1052
00:50:43,429 --> 00:50:43,949
Okay

1053
00:50:44,469 --> 00:50:45,190
That's the difference

1054
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:46,329
That's fine

1055
00:50:47,230 --> 00:50:50,110
It's like I've given all the information out

1056
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,280
You want to follow it

1057
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,920
You want to have a water filter

1058
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,380
You want to get a pump so you can draw water

1059
00:50:56,380 --> 00:50:56,960
out of your

1060
00:50:58,639 --> 00:50:59,539
drilled well

1061
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,780
I think he's just saying

1062
00:51:03,340 --> 00:51:05,260
your ideas gave him

1063
00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:05,800
the thought

1064
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know

1065
00:51:09,340 --> 00:51:10,360
I think that's exactly what he's saying

1066
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,539
I think it's something that we should

1067
00:51:12,539 --> 00:51:13,659
definitely discuss

1068
00:51:13,659 --> 00:51:17,099
Especially for all the people who can't

1069
00:51:17,099 --> 00:51:18,179
spend for themselves

1070
00:51:18,179 --> 00:51:19,820
I'm not worried about myself at this age

1071
00:51:19,820 --> 00:51:21,239
at 45, I can pretty much

1072
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,480
go down and do it

1073
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,380
But you know, like Donnie across the street

1074
00:51:26,380 --> 00:51:28,059
if the power goes out

1075
00:51:28,659 --> 00:51:30,239
I'm there trying to make sure

1076
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,659
I just want to make sure

1077
00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:34,219
Your neighbor is taken care of

1078
00:51:34,219 --> 00:51:35,420
is taken care of

1079
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:37,599
That benefits the whole town

1080
00:51:41,340 --> 00:51:42,880
Yeah, we need information

1081
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,099
We need something to read

1082
00:51:44,099 --> 00:51:45,980
Well, I'm with you

1083
00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:47,599
I'll be more resilient in one way or another

1084
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:48,840
and it's good that everyone's wheeled

1085
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,280
I'm hearing you all

1086
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,239
and if the state would fund

1087
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,300
a big portion of it

1088
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:57,519
Well, I'm with you there too

1089
00:51:57,519 --> 00:51:58,039
Right?

1090
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,239
Maybe the federal government

1091
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:01,559
It might not just be the state

1092
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:04,099
There's always money available

1093
00:52:04,579 --> 00:52:06,179
Now that I've tripped your brain

1094
00:52:06,179 --> 00:52:07,480
I'm sure you'll be coming up with something

1095
00:52:10,019 --> 00:52:11,400
What do we got?

1096
00:52:11,460 --> 00:52:12,119
300 homes?

1097
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,039
How many homes do we have in Stanford?

1098
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:15,440
The other thing I think about

1099
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,800
How many homes?

1100
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:18,820
We had 400

1101
00:52:18,820 --> 00:52:22,360
No, that's people

1102
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,539
We got 600?

1103
00:52:25,059 --> 00:52:28,539
The other thing I think about

1104
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,039
340

1105
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,739
I've had two practice rounds

1106
00:52:32,739 --> 00:52:33,840
happen to my son

1107
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,000
They don't pass those

1108
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,519
I think Sally

1109
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:41,579
They've got so many people

1110
00:52:41,579 --> 00:52:43,300
Ben, so there's 340 homes

1111
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:44,460
How do half the people

1112
00:52:44,460 --> 00:52:46,480
Yeah, yeah

1113
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:47,639
Gentlemen

1114
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,380
That'll give me an answer

1115
00:52:50,380 --> 00:52:51,300
Gentlemen, so

1116
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:53,500
In 2000

1117
00:52:55,219 --> 00:52:55,699
Right?

1118
00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:58,119
And I built my house in 1998

1119
00:52:58,119 --> 00:52:59,739
I just want to share with you

1120
00:52:59,739 --> 00:53:01,539
I've had two runs without power

1121
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:05,119
Two months in the middle of the winter

1122
00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:08,840
First was January 1, 2020

1123
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,400
For some reason

1124
00:53:10,420 --> 00:53:12,179
All my transformers

1125
00:53:12,179 --> 00:53:13,139
at the sawmill blew

1126
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:14,559
Okay?

1127
00:53:14,780 --> 00:53:16,719
That was Y2K

1128
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,599
Everybody was preparing for it

1129
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:20,300
But my house was built

1130
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:21,500
Everything was in place

1131
00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:24,820
But my power came through the sawmill

1132
00:53:24,820 --> 00:53:26,659
So all those transformers

1133
00:53:26,659 --> 00:53:29,239
I was without power for January and February

1134
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,440
Okay?

1135
00:53:30,670 --> 00:53:32,809
My house ran like a top

1136
00:53:32,809 --> 00:53:33,849
Okay?

1137
00:53:37,469 --> 00:53:40,210
February 11, 2012

1138
00:53:41,420 --> 00:53:43,139
The sawmill burned down

1139
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:45,920
I lost all my transformers

1140
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,780
I was without power for

1141
00:53:47,780 --> 00:53:49,940
Two weeks in February

1142
00:53:49,940 --> 00:53:51,340
And a full month in March

1143
00:53:51,340 --> 00:53:53,440
So I've had two practice runs

1144
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,619
In the wintertime

1145
00:53:54,619 --> 00:53:57,960
What I put on my sheet

1146
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:06,699
It gives you resilience

1147
00:54:06,699 --> 00:54:07,980
Without like

1148
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:09,920
Here's the way I think

1149
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:10,840
I don't have solar

1150
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,920
I don't have a generator that runs on

1151
00:54:15,550 --> 00:54:16,150
Protein

1152
00:54:16,789 --> 00:54:17,389
Okay?

1153
00:54:20,610 --> 00:54:23,349
Because if things are really critical

1154
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:24,929
You ain't gonna be able to get propane

1155
00:54:24,929 --> 00:54:26,030
You ain't gonna get gas

1156
00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:27,849
You ain't gonna get diesel fuel

1157
00:54:28,989 --> 00:54:29,429
Right?

1158
00:54:29,590 --> 00:54:31,710
So if you go back

1159
00:54:31,710 --> 00:54:32,849
And you read my letter

1160
00:54:32,849 --> 00:54:35,070
I gave everybody the means

1161
00:54:36,780 --> 00:54:38,460
You live next to a brook

1162
00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:40,199
Everybody's got a brook next to their house

1163
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:41,260
You can go there

1164
00:54:41,260 --> 00:54:42,960
Have five gallons of water a day

1165
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,300
Dump it through the filter

1166
00:54:45,019 --> 00:54:46,099
Although I'll tell you

1167
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:50,280
It's a top of the line filter

1168
00:54:51,420 --> 00:54:53,619
And that was a top of the line filter

1169
00:54:54,539 --> 00:54:56,199
You can pour through the filter

1170
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:57,139
And you can drink that

1171
00:54:57,139 --> 00:54:59,719
You can only survive three days without water

1172
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,980
You can go thirty days without food

1173
00:55:01,980 --> 00:55:03,639
And with a lot of blankets

1174
00:55:03,639 --> 00:55:05,840
And if you have a wood stove in your house

1175
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,420
You can survive the winter

1176
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:08,400
Okay?

1177
00:55:08,420 --> 00:55:09,679
You're just gonna go to bed earlier

1178
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:10,980
Because you don't have a light

1179
00:55:14,250 --> 00:55:17,449
And then I always look at

1180
00:55:17,449 --> 00:55:18,530
The worst case scenario

1181
00:55:20,489 --> 00:55:21,449
Okay?

1182
00:55:21,570 --> 00:55:22,630
So I do have a generator

1183
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:23,989
That's how I built my house

1184
00:55:23,989 --> 00:55:26,429
It's a 25,000 K generator

1185
00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:29,590
Runs off the PTO of my tractor

1186
00:55:30,369 --> 00:55:30,849
Okay?

1187
00:55:30,929 --> 00:55:32,250
That's how I built my house

1188
00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:33,309
Because I didn't have any power

1189
00:55:33,849 --> 00:55:36,610
So all the guys building my place

1190
00:55:37,789 --> 00:55:39,309
25,000 KW

1191
00:55:39,969 --> 00:55:40,449
Boom

1192
00:55:40,449 --> 00:55:42,969
Back then I only paid like three grand for it

1193
00:55:42,969 --> 00:55:44,449
It's a window

1194
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,360
They may go up to 100 KW

1195
00:55:53,530 --> 00:55:54,210
But diesel, I'm screwed

1196
00:55:55,340 --> 00:55:55,880
Right?

1197
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,400
That's why when I built my house

1198
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,780
I put in a gravity feed well

1199
00:55:58,780 --> 00:56:00,219
I got a gravity septic

1200
00:56:00,219 --> 00:56:01,780
I got root cellars in the basement

1201
00:56:01,780 --> 00:56:03,539
It's like I have everything

1202
00:56:04,590 --> 00:56:07,489
And I know not everybody was thinking about that

1203
00:56:07,489 --> 00:56:08,369
Thirty years ago

1204
00:56:08,369 --> 00:56:08,989
But I was

1205
00:56:08,989 --> 00:56:09,829
Okay?

1206
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,079
Now we're here in this time

1207
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:17,730
And my letter was to try to spur people

1208
00:56:17,730 --> 00:56:18,369
To

1209
00:56:20,179 --> 00:56:21,260
Find ways

1210
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:26,139
To have a water filter

1211
00:56:27,409 --> 00:56:27,849
Right?

1212
00:56:27,929 --> 00:56:28,150
Right?

1213
00:56:28,210 --> 00:56:29,710
I can go to a stagnant pond

1214
00:56:29,710 --> 00:56:30,590
Pour that through

1215
00:56:31,429 --> 00:56:31,869
Right?

1216
00:56:31,969 --> 00:56:34,010
And if there's a nucleus off in the pit field

1217
00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:36,010
That general dynamics or Raytheon

1218
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:39,610
It is going to take out the radioactive particles

1219
00:56:41,159 --> 00:56:41,599
Right?

1220
00:56:41,659 --> 00:56:43,260
And it works for 6,000 gallons

1221
00:56:44,179 --> 00:56:45,659
So figure out your household

1222
00:56:46,260 --> 00:56:46,699
Right?

1223
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:47,840
Where I'm living right now

1224
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,239
I mean I'm living with my mom

1225
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:02,739
But that pump that the Amish made

1226
00:57:02,739 --> 00:57:04,960
I mean most people's wells

1227
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,260
My brother-in-law told me

1228
00:57:06,260 --> 00:57:08,360
His water level is up like 40 feet

1229
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:09,880
From the top of his drilled well

1230
00:57:10,820 --> 00:57:13,219
That pump will pull water up

1231
00:57:13,969 --> 00:57:15,809
From 125 feet

1232
00:57:15,809 --> 00:57:18,190
You just screw it on the top of your well

1233
00:57:18,190 --> 00:57:18,989
And you pump it

1234
00:57:19,710 --> 00:57:21,289
You don't even have to filter it

1235
00:57:21,289 --> 00:57:22,030
Because that water

1236
00:57:22,030 --> 00:57:25,550
Even radiation by the time it gets

1237
00:57:25,550 --> 00:57:27,789
Even my 15 foot well

1238
00:57:27,789 --> 00:57:28,389
Right?

1239
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:30,980
By the time that water gets

1240
00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:32,860
To where the water is coming up

1241
00:57:32,860 --> 00:57:33,800
It's filtering

1242
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:39,099
So the radiation particles aren't going to bother

1243
00:57:39,099 --> 00:57:42,079
My only point about

1244
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:43,920
Trying to be organic

1245
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,880
Is that with a 100 gallon tank

1246
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:47,820
If you have a snow storm

1247
00:57:47,820 --> 00:57:49,539
And people spend it for two weeks

1248
00:57:49,539 --> 00:57:50,940
You couldn't get to anybody

1249
00:57:50,940 --> 00:57:53,059
That will heat the house for a week

1250
00:57:53,059 --> 00:57:55,099
My coping tank will last a month

1251
00:57:55,099 --> 00:57:57,800
But that two or three weeks

1252
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,940
That thing will run and power the people

1253
00:58:00,340 --> 00:58:00,880
That's huge!

1254
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:03,800
I agree with you

1255
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:04,619
I agree

1256
00:58:04,619 --> 00:58:08,099
I think it's a good point

1257
00:58:08,099 --> 00:58:09,400
We could do both

1258
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,119
For sure

1259
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:13,059
Consider both

1260
00:58:13,059 --> 00:58:14,239
Okay

1261
00:58:15,659 --> 00:58:17,199
On to this

1262
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:19,219
On to your new business

1263
00:58:19,219 --> 00:58:21,760
On to this conference

1264
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:22,880
I'm trying to pull together

1265
00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:25,500
I've got all the speakers

1266
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:27,449
On the list

1267
00:58:27,449 --> 00:58:30,900
Jim Sullivan is the first one on the list

1268
00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:31,940
Okay

1269
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,380
Jim and I hit it off

1270
00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:35,840
On this issue

1271
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,039
Self sufficiency and resilience

1272
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:39,440
Okay so

1273
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,260
It's going to be hard pressed

1274
00:58:41,260 --> 00:58:43,159
I've got like 8 people to talk

1275
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:44,900
They're going to have 15 minutes to talk

1276
00:58:44,900 --> 00:58:46,820
It'll be like a conference

1277
00:58:46,820 --> 00:58:49,599
So each person who talks

1278
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:51,219
Will have 15 minutes to talk

1279
00:58:51,219 --> 00:58:53,539
And then they'll have a table

1280
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:54,869
Okay

1281
00:58:54,869 --> 00:58:56,969
And then people throughout

1282
00:58:57,590 --> 00:58:58,610
The afternoon

1283
00:58:59,329 --> 00:59:01,369
You go to this one's table

1284
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:05,480
This one who's solar

1285
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,099
This one who's

1286
00:59:07,860 --> 00:59:08,340
Right?

1287
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:11,860
It's going to be a hard thing

1288
00:59:11,860 --> 00:59:14,000
To pull together with these people

1289
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,400
I know all these people

1290
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:16,900
I've got an emergency guy

1291
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:18,079
I've got a solar guy

1292
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:20,179
You gave me

1293
00:59:20,699 --> 00:59:21,619
Up the road

1294
00:59:21,619 --> 00:59:22,539
You said she did

1295
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:23,900
By the way

1296
00:59:23,900 --> 00:59:26,039
I saw her in the store two weeks ago

1297
00:59:26,039 --> 00:59:28,280
And I haven't seen her in years

1298
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:29,719
And I talked to her and she's like

1299
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:35,699
She's got a whole stage room

1300
00:59:35,699 --> 00:59:36,119
Right?

1301
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:38,900
No this is great

1302
00:59:41,099 --> 00:59:42,380
Do you have a date

1303
00:59:42,380 --> 00:59:42,960
Huh?

1304
00:59:43,739 --> 00:59:44,840
Do you have a date or a time

1305
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,300
No no no

1306
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:49,320
What I'm getting at is

1307
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,820
I'm looking for a few hands

1308
00:59:51,820 --> 00:59:52,840
To help me with this

1309
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,599
I mean I've put on conferences before

1310
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:56,480
But you know

1311
00:59:57,159 --> 00:59:58,880
I've got to pull everybody together

1312
00:59:59,860 --> 01:00:01,840
And the biggest thing is going to be

1313
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:02,420
Promoting

1314
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,699
But to get these people

1315
01:00:06,699 --> 01:00:08,840
From different states and stuff

1316
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,639
All in one afternoon

1317
01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:11,579
On a Saturday

1318
01:00:11,579 --> 01:00:12,840
I'm thinking a Saturday

1319
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:13,900
Right?

1320
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,199
It's going to be a tough nut to crack

1321
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:20,159
Are you thinking here at the

1322
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:21,559
Stanford school gym or bigger

1323
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:22,360
The gym

1324
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:25,159
What were you thinking doing

1325
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:26,719
Well it's a great conference

1326
01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:28,119
Why wouldn't they want to be here

1327
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:28,480
August

1328
01:00:30,699 --> 01:00:33,000
Well I know I'm a big draw

1329
01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:38,099
This is a great idea

1330
01:00:38,099 --> 01:00:39,360
I think the concept of this

1331
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:40,000
Has just got to be

1332
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,079
No this would be the first one

1333
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:43,260
And then build on it

1334
01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:43,539
Exactly

1335
01:00:43,539 --> 01:00:48,840
Right because

1336
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,079
A conference like this

1337
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:54,139
It really should be called a workshop

1338
01:00:54,139 --> 01:00:56,480
But you could have 20 speakers

1339
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,980
Speaking on

1340
01:00:58,929 --> 01:01:00,449
30 different topics

1341
01:01:01,090 --> 01:01:01,670
Absolutely

1342
01:01:01,670 --> 01:01:03,210
It's such a big

1343
01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:05,130
Broad case

1344
01:01:05,309 --> 01:01:06,429
I'm just trying to bring in

1345
01:01:06,429 --> 01:01:08,230
The nuts and bolts for the first one

1346
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:09,090
Topics are endless

1347
01:01:09,090 --> 01:01:12,030
Anywhere from green products

1348
01:01:12,030 --> 01:01:13,309
To survival to resilience

1349
01:01:14,329 --> 01:01:15,289
All that

1350
01:01:15,289 --> 01:01:18,559
It's going to be a good thing

1351
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:20,119
I'm going to do the eating one

1352
01:01:22,179 --> 01:01:23,579
Dan on a different topic

1353
01:01:23,579 --> 01:01:25,340
Did you ever talk to your friend

1354
01:01:25,340 --> 01:01:26,440
About the overshadowing

1355
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,940
I'm going to do that

1356
01:01:28,940 --> 01:01:31,800
Can we put that on the agenda for next meeting

1357
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,059
Because I still am concerned about

1358
01:01:34,059 --> 01:01:35,519
That subdivision we did

1359
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:37,500
I have a question for people

1360
01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:38,739
That have been on the planning commission

1361
01:01:38,739 --> 01:01:41,219
I don't understand as a new member

1362
01:01:41,219 --> 01:01:44,619
Why Deb can divide into two lots

1363
01:01:44,619 --> 01:01:46,900
But it took us to make three

1364
01:01:46,900 --> 01:01:49,000
But yet we had no choice

1365
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:49,820
But to say yes

1366
01:01:49,820 --> 01:01:53,079
I disagree with that completely

1367
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:54,420
It doesn't make sense to me

1368
01:01:54,420 --> 01:01:55,679
I think we hastily

1369
01:01:55,679 --> 01:01:57,199
Voted those lots in without

1370
01:01:57,199 --> 01:01:57,960
Really understanding

1371
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,500
It clearly states I have statute

1372
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:03,960
That whenever you subdivide

1373
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,119
A subdivision

1374
01:02:06,719 --> 01:02:06,960
In water

1375
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,400
It has to go before the planning commission

1376
01:02:11,039 --> 01:02:12,960
Which brings me to the question

1377
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,539
We didn't know what the guys building

1378
01:02:14,539 --> 01:02:15,360
We didn't know anything

1379
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,460
Another question I have

1380
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:19,420
It's for people that have been on the planning commission

1381
01:02:20,019 --> 01:02:21,360
There's that question five

1382
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,679
It wants a whole outline

1383
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:26,059
Not just the buildings now

1384
01:02:26,059 --> 01:02:27,119
But future buildings

1385
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:29,380
We were told not to consider those

1386
01:02:29,380 --> 01:02:31,519
But I'm wondering if we need to

1387
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:32,539
Yes absolutely

1388
01:02:32,539 --> 01:02:35,519
I want to know why it goes to us

1389
01:02:36,940 --> 01:02:38,719
When we just have to say the same thing

1390
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:39,860
Deb is going to say to two

1391
01:02:39,860 --> 01:02:41,739
Then why can't Deb just do the three

1392
01:02:41,739 --> 01:02:44,039
Why is that built in

1393
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:45,260
Can anyone answer that

1394
01:02:45,260 --> 01:02:46,300
Can I make an answer

1395
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,260
John Dukers was on the board at the time

1396
01:02:50,260 --> 01:02:51,579
And was looking at that

1397
01:02:51,579 --> 01:02:52,219
And felt

1398
01:02:53,460 --> 01:02:55,039
We have one lot

1399
01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:57,380
If you're going to divide it into a second lot

1400
01:02:58,239 --> 01:03:00,380
That's fine for our CDA to approve

1401
01:03:00,380 --> 01:03:01,340
But he felt

1402
01:03:01,340 --> 01:03:04,739
Three or more should have more than one head

1403
01:03:04,739 --> 01:03:06,099
Thinking about

1404
01:03:07,179 --> 01:03:09,900
But we didn't consider any of that

1405
01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:11,260
We only were told

1406
01:03:11,260 --> 01:03:13,579
Following the bylaws

1407
01:03:13,579 --> 01:03:14,400
That says you can

1408
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,980
If you read the bylaw part

1409
01:03:16,980 --> 01:03:18,980
It says this is an approved

1410
01:03:21,070 --> 01:03:22,150
Permittable action

1411
01:03:22,949 --> 01:03:24,170
So if it's allowed

1412
01:03:25,139 --> 01:03:26,739
You have to allow it

1413
01:03:26,739 --> 01:03:28,380
It's just that she doesn't have the authority

1414
01:03:28,380 --> 01:03:29,079
To say yes

1415
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:32,019
It's not in one of the other conditional uses

1416
01:03:32,019 --> 01:03:33,119
Where it's a maybe

1417
01:03:33,679 --> 01:03:35,019
Where it fell into

1418
01:03:35,019 --> 01:03:36,420
If you look at your bylaws

1419
01:03:37,739 --> 01:03:37,960
You can't use this

1420
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,599
But it's still open for review

1421
01:03:41,519 --> 01:03:43,179
It's still open for review

1422
01:03:43,179 --> 01:03:45,000
I understand what you're saying

1423
01:03:45,739 --> 01:03:47,480
What you're saying is

1424
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:48,199
You have to

1425
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,860
The planning commission can say no

1426
01:03:50,860 --> 01:03:52,159
I guess that's what

1427
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:53,219
The planning commission can say

1428
01:03:53,219 --> 01:03:57,260
But then it doesn't make sense to me

1429
01:03:57,260 --> 01:03:58,719
I think three lots might require

1430
01:03:58,719 --> 01:03:59,639
A site plan review

1431
01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:02,400
Which they would have to submit

1432
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,739
A 10 or 15 step process

1433
01:04:04,739 --> 01:04:07,280
That this is what they want to do up there

1434
01:04:07,739 --> 01:04:08,639
That's what they intend on doing

1435
01:04:09,380 --> 01:04:11,380
I'll check with the fellow in town

1436
01:04:11,380 --> 01:04:13,559
I think that was a

1437
01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:14,860
Patent subdivision

1438
01:04:14,860 --> 01:04:17,699
And there was all kinds of stipulations

1439
01:04:17,699 --> 01:04:18,639
Put on that

1440
01:04:20,090 --> 01:04:21,710
Because those subdivisions

1441
01:04:21,710 --> 01:04:22,670
Are all the town

1442
01:04:22,670 --> 01:04:24,690
People are trying to subdivide

1443
01:04:24,690 --> 01:04:25,789
The subdivision

1444
01:04:25,789 --> 01:04:27,710
When roads were supposed to be put in

1445
01:04:27,710 --> 01:04:30,789
This town ought to just stay away from a lot of that

1446
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:33,710
Like up on the road up behind me

1447
01:04:34,409 --> 01:04:36,289
Because they didn't follow through

1448
01:04:36,289 --> 01:04:37,670
With what they were supposed to do

1449
01:04:37,769 --> 01:04:40,190
And we don't want the town

1450
01:04:40,190 --> 01:04:41,409
Putting the roads in

1451
01:04:41,409 --> 01:04:42,329
Right?

1452
01:04:42,469 --> 01:04:43,789
Depending on your perspective

1453
01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:47,380
LaSure Road is a place that

1454
01:04:47,380 --> 01:04:48,599
Could be highly developed

1455
01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:49,960
I understand that

1456
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,539
With private road activity

1457
01:04:51,539 --> 01:04:54,199
So depending on your flavor

1458
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:56,559
They're very narrow

1459
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:58,440
Very low road fronted

1460
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,239
And you're talking maybe

1461
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:02,260
A couple hundred feet road fronted

1462
01:05:02,260 --> 01:05:03,699
But they're 30 acres long

1463
01:05:03,699 --> 01:05:06,199
So the only way to access those

1464
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:08,179
Is to go out the guy

1465
01:05:08,179 --> 01:05:09,460
That owns the lot next to it

1466
01:05:09,460 --> 01:05:10,179
That doesn't build

1467
01:05:10,179 --> 01:05:11,159
And the guy next to him

1468
01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:12,179
Puts three houses in

1469
01:05:12,179 --> 01:05:13,559
Now he can't use his lot

1470
01:05:13,559 --> 01:05:15,280
Because it's only 200 feet wide

1471
01:05:15,860 --> 01:05:17,039
And it's downhill

1472
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:19,639
So the shits long down into his yard

1473
01:05:19,639 --> 01:05:20,420
Right?

1474
01:05:23,260 --> 01:05:25,219
You don't understand anything

1475
01:05:25,219 --> 01:05:26,820
About septic systems

1476
01:05:26,820 --> 01:05:28,019
Who doesn't?

1477
01:05:28,019 --> 01:05:28,539
You don't

1478
01:05:28,539 --> 01:05:29,579
Dan I was putting them in

1479
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:38,199
Hey Dan

1480
01:05:38,739 --> 01:05:41,639
John Lewis is one of the best engineers

1481
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:42,300
Of the year

1482
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:43,800
You don't care

1483
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:44,960
I know you don't care

1484
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,679
That's why you wanted to put in a water system

1485
01:05:47,679 --> 01:05:48,440
For the town

1486
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:49,300
Because you don't understand

1487
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:51,380
That people's shallow wells are polluted

1488
01:05:51,380 --> 01:05:52,400
Because they don't keep their

1489
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,000
Who ever said I wanted to put a water system in?

1490
01:05:55,239 --> 01:05:58,219
Dan I talked about taking advantage

1491
01:05:58,219 --> 01:05:59,699
Of the water system

1492
01:05:59,699 --> 01:06:01,099
That North Adams is using

1493
01:06:03,059 --> 01:06:04,840
We gave it away though

1494
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,280
It's a standard proof septic system

1495
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:11,679
You can have a shallow well

1496
01:06:11,679 --> 01:06:14,099
Within 150 feet of that

1497
01:06:14,099 --> 01:06:15,239
And it's not going to pollute it

1498
01:06:15,659 --> 01:06:17,699
That's how tight the systems are now

1499
01:06:17,699 --> 01:06:19,780
So you don't know what you're talking about

1500
01:06:19,780 --> 01:06:20,659
I do

1501
01:06:20,659 --> 01:06:23,320
I deal with this stuff all the time

1502
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:25,960
So I'm glad you're an expert Dan

1503
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:27,019
But I'm going to tell you something

1504
01:06:27,019 --> 01:06:28,539
If I own 30 acres of land

1505
01:06:28,539 --> 01:06:29,719
And I wanted to build a house

1506
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:32,139
And somebody put three septic systems

1507
01:06:32,139 --> 01:06:33,420
Near my boundary line

1508
01:06:33,420 --> 01:06:34,280
Near my water

1509
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:37,960
I think you're right

1510
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,199
The shore road is a town

1511
01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:41,679
That's ripe for heavy development

1512
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:42,760
And there's a lot of things

1513
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,219
To take into consideration with that

1514
01:06:44,219 --> 01:06:45,699
The road, namely one

1515
01:06:45,699 --> 01:06:48,400
In a small town, having a road budget for it

1516
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,880
It's very flat up there

1517
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,260
There are lots that are long

1518
01:06:52,260 --> 01:06:53,380
Narrow lots

1519
01:06:53,380 --> 01:06:55,219
The only way to access them

1520
01:06:55,219 --> 01:06:57,539
The only way to access the land up there

1521
01:06:57,539 --> 01:06:58,920
Is basically make it look like

1522
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:00,239
It looks like we're by the airport

1523
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,440
It's a sub-device

1524
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:12,139
You know the roads are the making it's great that we want to expand out all these directions

1525
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:18,420
We're a town with limited resources and we got to consider the roads and how we're going to maintain these roads

1526
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:25,440
That's wrong. I'm not for against anything. I'm just saying they just openly say okay

1527
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:33,480
Here's three blocks without really looking what's going on. I think it's a state that this argument at nausea to you know, create a tax base

1528
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,780
It's it's dependent on who moves the town, right?

1529
01:07:36,780 --> 01:07:41,400
You could have all these houses and maybe all these kids want to go to McCann High School. Yeah, right

1530
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,260
So then you're not getting anything

1531
01:07:43,260 --> 01:07:49,519
Yeah, but the state gives the most of that that's a fallacy that we're paying all this money the state

1532
01:07:49,519 --> 01:07:50,800
It does

1533
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,300
I'll find out what the overshadowing means

1534
01:07:56,300 --> 01:08:02,719
I mean, I've looked into what overshadowing means, but I mean, I think we just need to talk about it more

1535
01:08:03,219 --> 01:08:04,800
I'll bring in an engineer

1536
01:08:05,980 --> 01:08:06,940
One of the

1537
01:08:06,940 --> 01:08:12,219
Things that actually 50 didn't notice is the private road situation. That's one of the things that they trust. Yeah

1538
01:08:12,219 --> 01:08:18,060
We're you know, it's going to be like 800 feet people that are coming to buy properties. Don't have kids right now

1539
01:08:18,060 --> 01:08:22,079
Okay, they're coming in. They're coming from the city. It's a second home

1540
01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:27,159
They're not even glad to set up a different if they homestead it. It doesn't matter because they make too much money

1541
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:32,800
They don't care. So that's the other argument. He would you guys are considering how to structure the management in the future?

1542
01:08:33,220 --> 01:08:36,340
How do you structure it? I mean if we're going to become a second home

1543
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:42,479
I'm going to be right that are going to pay the tax basis. How do you structure the land use plan?

1544
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,100
Well, I think the people that actually do that

1545
01:08:45,100 --> 01:08:48,460
I think we did it in our last zoning by a lot of change

1546
01:08:48,460 --> 01:08:56,000
Because the idea is you want to put in a program private road for two lots on your 20-acre lot

1547
01:08:57,890 --> 01:08:59,529
Tommy paying the penny for it

1548
01:09:01,350 --> 01:09:06,470
And then it falls under a 250 now you got two houses at five grand apiece taxes

1549
01:09:07,350 --> 01:09:08,170
What's it costing?

1550
01:09:08,850 --> 01:09:14,770
Well, no, no, no, but when you want to get into issues with private roads, ultimately they could fall back on the town

1551
01:09:14,770 --> 01:09:16,609
How how okay?

1552
01:09:16,810 --> 01:09:21,270
Where's the guy the answer road builds his house at the front of the can't get a fire truck up it

1553
01:09:21,270 --> 01:09:24,890
He builds his house at the front right then he sells three four lots behind them

1554
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:29,550
All of a sudden he develops a problem with these lots behind them that are paying taxes to the town

1555
01:09:29,550 --> 01:09:33,930
And he says I'm not maintaining the road anymore, and I'm not following the road. Yeah

1556
01:09:33,930 --> 01:09:37,689
Who's that on it's gonna ultimately no way to be ultimately

1557
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:45,289
Come back on the town because those horse fighting what paying taxes and there, Roe something

1558
01:09:45,289 --> 01:09:45,789
between

1559
01:09:49,109 --> 01:09:52,109
Louder to make it a public road you sorry I

1560
01:09:53,909 --> 01:09:57,350
Don't care my point. It's as long as this town stands

1561
01:09:59,300 --> 01:10:05,340
You're pissed off with your three names. You can't get out. That's a lawsuit between you and that

1562
01:10:05,340 --> 01:10:08,600
it's not got anything to do with the town and town doesn't have to

1563
01:10:09,899 --> 01:10:11,220
What if the guy dies?

1564
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:13,600
They're going to want to get it.

1565
01:10:13,659 --> 01:10:14,840
It's going to matter at some point.

1566
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,560
It would matter if we're all in here hollering at you.

1567
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:17,119
Are you going to matter?

1568
01:10:21,619 --> 01:10:22,319
It'll matter.

1569
01:10:22,699 --> 01:10:23,880
Trust me.

1570
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:24,779
It'll ultimately matter.

1571
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:26,920
I like going out.

1572
01:10:27,260 --> 01:10:28,399
I like going out.

1573
01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:29,159
I want to be here.

1574
01:10:29,579 --> 01:10:30,020
Research.

1575
01:10:30,020 --> 01:10:31,340
Research House Sparrow Road.

1576
01:10:31,579 --> 01:10:34,119
Research House Sparrow Drive became a public road.

1577
01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:37,239
It's exactly what happened up there in the 1980s.

1578
01:10:37,279 --> 01:10:37,520
Yeah.

1579
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:38,720
It so happened.

1580
01:10:38,979 --> 01:10:39,779
It's what happened.

1581
01:10:39,779 --> 01:10:39,939
It's what happened.

1582
01:10:39,939 --> 01:10:43,260
We're still fighting issues.

1583
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,399
And he's making me believe.

1584
01:10:46,619 --> 01:10:47,779
Dan, you're making me believe.

1585
01:10:51,260 --> 01:10:55,699
Didn't the state within the past couple of years do a new law that people on private

1586
01:10:55,699 --> 01:10:58,260
roads should have a road maintenance agreement?

1587
01:10:58,699 --> 01:10:59,079
You should.

1588
01:10:59,140 --> 01:10:59,579
I would imagine.

1589
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:00,359
Yep.

1590
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,079
Then it wouldn't go back up.

1591
01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:10,239
But if you look at our zoning bylaws we passed, one of the stipulations is they're not going

1592
01:11:10,260 --> 01:11:16,859
be a place for the emergency vehicles to turn around remember that okay so so that was good

1593
01:11:18,210 --> 01:11:24,050
whether or not the people in that group right right see i want to sell three lots of my kids

1594
01:11:24,819 --> 01:11:31,880
whether or not we have an agreement no no we fight all the time me and my kids right tomorrow i might

1595
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:40,260
not want to let you drive through i might put a log across the road right to me that's between us

1596
01:11:40,859 --> 01:11:46,479
and and i don't see why so that was the whole concept that we were talking about behind plan

1597
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:50,539
unit developments that wasn't like everyone was thinking bam there's going to be condos in town

1598
01:11:50,539 --> 01:11:54,159
we we were talking more about it for cluster development for

1599
01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:01,000
compounding for families right or if you have 20 acres of land instead of dividing you can divide

1600
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:05,680
it up 10 houses on two acres a piece and using up all the land you can cluster those houses

1601
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:10,779
you know maybe on two of the acres and you can farm the other 18. right right so that

1602
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,800
that's that's all that really was that's basically what we were talking about earlier

1603
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:19,659
with mid-equal development and how you say in europe right it's cluster development that's

1604
01:12:19,659 --> 01:12:24,560
really where they're pushing everybody to cluster stuff in the middle and don't touch the resources

1605
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:29,899
at all that's why they're basically getting rid of private roads from fragmentation i understand

1606
01:12:29,899 --> 01:12:33,960
i understand but i also know what's behind their thoughts that controls all the resources

1607
01:12:34,609 --> 01:12:40,409
oh yeah i mean you can you could have that whatever controls your feet resources control some people

1608
01:12:40,930 --> 01:12:49,949
all right i'm not saying i'm for against um the situation to lisa's point that there's more to

1609
01:12:49,949 --> 01:12:59,550
these subdivisions than the aeo coming in saying you have to you have to do it uh because my my

1610
01:12:59,550 --> 01:13:05,630
research said she was incorrect i'm pretty sure if it's three units it needs a site plan it needs

1611
01:13:05,630 --> 01:13:10,789
a site plan and we voted it in and it was wrong so that was why i couldn't find that in the bylaw

1612
01:13:10,930 --> 01:13:14,270
though i did it's not right in the bylaws should be right and now it's good

1613
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:28,449
why am i doing that bringing it up

1614
01:13:29,789 --> 01:13:33,609
maybe before i'm cheating when you do use two hands that it is cheating

1615
01:13:35,710 --> 01:13:39,789
right um so i'm assuming you want more information

1616
01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:47,079
yes because it just makes it just to me it doesn't make sense why if three we just say the

1617
01:13:47,079 --> 01:13:51,000
same thing deb would have said if it's two then what's the point of it even coming if that's our

1618
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:56,239
only job suit the same thing she's going to do anyway there's something about how it's not three

1619
01:13:56,239 --> 01:14:04,119
yet or something no it's that no it's three well no it was two and then they brought up three and

1620
01:14:04,119 --> 01:14:09,539
i said wait a minute it's three and then that's what you can't and then he said don't forget guys

1621
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:16,579
you can times every house by one by two right right you can have accessory quality units with

1622
01:14:16,579 --> 01:14:20,060
any piece right i understand that they were talking about separate houses

1623
01:14:20,060 --> 01:14:28,279
i thought this was all an overshadowing right so because they don't start right now

1624
01:14:29,359 --> 01:14:33,560
i thought it was all an overshadowing but they came right in and said that

1625
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:38,119
that's what i said eventually yeah right and that's when i part of it

1626
01:14:38,119 --> 01:14:40,140
right right now

1627
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,520
one right so that they don't have to have a site plan visit you know

1628
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,460
the overshadowing is exactly that's basically saying

1629
01:14:47,460 --> 01:14:54,840
three yeah and you can do that

1630
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:55,779
is

1631
01:15:26,779 --> 01:15:27,300
yeah

1632
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:35,699
i don't really i'm just concerned for the person like i understand that the state does septic but

1633
01:15:35,699 --> 01:15:41,340
like if it's going to impinge upon someone else's private property that they no longer can now if they

1634
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:46,560
need to put a well on theirs there you it's their land i feel like they should have use of their land

1635
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:51,220
what period right in the future if their grandchildren want to build

1636
01:15:51,220 --> 01:15:57,340
if you plant a really nice apple tree that grows up after years you could do anything

1637
01:15:57,340 --> 01:16:03,560
the branches go over to on my property i have the right to cut those branches or take those apples

1638
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:08,800
because it's over channeled on my property right you just don't want the way the state is kind of

1639
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:15,220
talking like you can't do that because it's overshadowing they can do that yeah yeah but where

1640
01:16:15,220 --> 01:16:23,579
are the regulations that you can't nobody nobody in this room including myself or you or who what

1641
01:16:23,579 --> 01:16:29,779
do you okay me no what overshadowing means it's a three-year i know what it is

1642
01:16:29,779 --> 01:16:37,279
i don't know what the aftermath of my year is going to tell you that that means that's why i

1643
01:16:37,279 --> 01:16:38,600
want to talk to you i want to add that

1644
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:52,199
i'm not sure i think i would like to at least have this board

1645
01:16:52,199 --> 01:16:58,600
look into it individually so we can bring it on next meeting and see who it goes to

1646
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:05,380
you know what i'm saying but when you're almost handcuffed but like

1647
01:17:05,380 --> 01:17:08,680
even if we didn't make a decision they're going to do it anyway

1648
01:17:09,239 --> 01:17:12,600
you know what i'm saying like he's he's going to put that something in there he's going to go to

1649
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:17,399
the state yeah in the state he's going to say he's going to approve and ultimately it's going

1650
01:17:17,399 --> 01:17:23,760
to bypass everybody they're going to put it in yep so but i think if we had so strict stricter

1651
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:30,680
right zoning bylaws yes that prohibited further infringing on other people because i think we can

1652
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:35,319
have stronger yeah overshadowing right that's something i think that should be brought up and

1653
01:17:35,319 --> 01:17:38,680
that should be researched but i think that i think that that's a so

1654
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:44,699
it might be it might be and i could be wrong we can start here something i mean they can relate

1655
01:17:44,699 --> 01:17:49,819
to the conversation around you know talking about acreage for lots and stuff right to divide to for

1656
01:17:49,819 --> 01:17:55,199
three things they have to have a site plan review and then all for it everybody being able to do

1657
01:17:55,199 --> 01:18:00,359
whatever they want with their property all for it but they can't affect each other what

1658
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,279
this snake sucks

1659
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,579
here but i think we as a town can maybe fix future

1660
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:14,880
but okay but on on the application for the permit question five it says a lot a plot

1661
01:18:15,539 --> 01:18:21,640
plan must be drawn on the grid which we got this this shoddy thing but it says it um

1662
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:27,159
it has to show a sketch with the property lines the area of the lot all existing and

1663
01:18:27,159 --> 01:18:33,880
proposed buildings the front rear side setbacks which you just showed me um property lines the

1664
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:38,460
water supply septic that's the stuff that we got that i don't think we were told we weren't

1665
01:18:38,460 --> 01:18:39,020
supposed to

1666
01:18:39,119 --> 01:18:45,479
do yeah she said we weren't supposed to have one building and we were told i think if i remember

1667
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:50,319
correctly that it wasn't even on us it was supposed to be on that but that's the buildings

1668
01:18:50,319 --> 01:18:55,239
right you know but if i'm not you it's kind of my question is what's your it's your bit there

1669
01:18:55,239 --> 01:18:59,920
no it's fine well right why is it on the permit then that question five if it's not to be honest

1670
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:05,800
i don't think yeah because it was specifically just one building i don't think so i think the

1671
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,039
zoning administrator has the right

1672
01:19:09,119 --> 01:19:14,460
one building what did we vote on because because the whole goal was is that if i'm not mistaken

1673
01:19:14,460 --> 01:19:21,079
that this is you want that no this is we voted for their property that they currently have they

1674
01:19:21,079 --> 01:19:27,439
wanted to build here and leave this 20 they live here now they wanted three lots they just wanted

1675
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:33,420
to subdivide to another lot to make it three so yeah see here i mean that was the greatest

1676
01:19:33,420 --> 01:19:37,979
thing right now here's the existence right but then so they wanted a site plan review yeah they were

1677
01:19:39,119 --> 01:19:44,439
doing the whole thing and then the kids wanted to build a house directly behind you and in front

1678
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:49,699
and then they needed to say 20 plus right behind them for future development because ultimately

1679
01:19:49,699 --> 01:19:56,960
that's where it's going but i think if they were going to go for the two or three lots that are two

1680
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:02,199
or three buildings that's when they needed a site review right so i think they only did the one so

1681
01:20:02,199 --> 01:20:08,659
that they could bypass the cyber i thought we voted in for three uh three lots um turns to three but

1682
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:17,340
trying to subdivide into three but it ends up being right i i guess shouldn't happen you

1683
01:20:17,340 --> 01:20:23,060
shouldn't have avoided it i'm just telling you you shouldn't have voted honestly if they want to

1684
01:20:24,170 --> 01:20:29,789
subdivide their own land like so i mean i who might tell you what the hell you can do with

1685
01:20:29,789 --> 01:20:36,890
your property until it's just as long as you follow the zoning bylaws of the town the permitting

1686
01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:39,409
process the entire process okay just to be edges

1687
01:20:39,909 --> 01:20:45,409
you got to do it just to be educated the board probably a year and a half ago we were writing

1688
01:20:45,409 --> 01:20:51,250
the zoning bylaws and we actually changed that down to what was just supposed to be uh two i

1689
01:20:51,250 --> 01:20:56,329
believe yeah one or two and we changed it but it never got finalized because we never had a tunnel

1690
01:20:56,329 --> 01:21:01,989
vote or anything but right the whole writing of the bylaws i want to go back to what pete's been

1691
01:21:01,989 --> 01:21:09,420
saying because i agree 100 if what i'm doing on my lane is affecting you i'll try to run my

1692
01:21:09,539 --> 01:21:19,680
chains off right because then he i don't really care but if if if this overshadowing is affecting

1693
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:28,420
you but we don't know yet okay then i agree with pete 100 because what you do on your property

1694
01:21:28,420 --> 01:21:34,539
should not infringe on my property rights okay i agree with that i'm all about property but we

1695
01:21:34,539 --> 01:21:39,399
do know because we have the map from the engineer no no but we don't know what overshadowing means

1696
01:21:39,539 --> 01:21:44,920
oh it's right on the map yeah yeah once you know what does it mean

1697
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:53,920
okay you've got a system you've got your distribution of the fluids and it spreads

1698
01:21:53,920 --> 01:22:01,239
out over a particular area and when you do the site plan for the subject system the distribution

1699
01:22:01,239 --> 01:22:08,020
goes say 50 feet in each direction it makes a big circle well if you're too close to somebody

1700
01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:09,399
property that circle

1701
01:22:09,979 --> 01:22:16,060
goes the overshadowing goes down to this property that means that if they're in a high water

1702
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:22,060
table situation like you really have last year when everybody was pumping out their wells

1703
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:28,720
it's just going to flood that flu it can possibly go around

1704
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:35,960
well there that's what it means well see i don't know that question

1705
01:22:36,739 --> 01:22:38,520
that's the problem i'll get you the three names

1706
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,819
i'm going to find out what an engineer

1707
01:22:44,819 --> 01:22:45,380
does

1708
01:22:45,380 --> 01:22:49,539
i mean you're pumping your wall out for nothing because you were pumping it out

1709
01:22:49,539 --> 01:22:56,039
and i thank god that i had my secluded the static water tank where my water was coming

1710
01:22:56,039 --> 01:22:59,979
in my basement was the addition that they actually put in in the back half of the house

1711
01:22:59,979 --> 01:23:06,380
so i was able to stand max with pool noodles cut so it funneled all the water into my sump pump

1712
01:23:06,380 --> 01:23:09,439
and at that point i used that industrial pump that i had

1713
01:23:09,539 --> 01:23:15,039
and ran it for two straight days just pumping water out of my basement non-stop for two days

1714
01:23:15,039 --> 01:23:19,800
like he had one in his in his well but again you're fighting a losing battle because until

1715
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:26,399
that step it's still the water comes down the table comes down i don't care where you can

1716
01:23:26,399 --> 01:23:31,899
you dump it out it just comes back in water goes you have to yeah but you have to but a lot of

1717
01:23:31,899 --> 01:23:40,199
these systems now a lot of these systems now it's all sand and so that same is filtrating if there

1718
01:23:40,199 --> 01:23:45,159
are huge amount of systems i look at the system a lot i'm doing up in rio but if that static water

1719
01:23:45,159 --> 01:23:50,920
table grows where he's saying shits in his yard i don't care i don't care what you what you're

1720
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:56,399
going to do just as good because there's there's it's not even going to have a chance to filter

1721
01:23:56,399 --> 01:24:00,859
it's just going to come up it's going to come up through it's not going down because all that water

1722
01:24:01,899 --> 01:24:08,699
that per point of a a mounted your septic system holds the solids and then the water runs out of

1723
01:24:08,699 --> 01:24:16,220
the top of the septic system goes into the mound system i've got a 600 yard mound system okay and

1724
01:24:17,119 --> 01:24:21,659
then it goes through all the pipes and everything but that sand is filtrating all that soil just

1725
01:24:21,659 --> 01:24:26,239
like i talked about earlier with the cesium that comes it's going to filtrate down is what the

1726
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:32,239
point is it's coming up through it because we just put we we put a crazy system in on

1727
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:38,399
the current highway i mean it cost us an absolute fortune and then it's cool to watch it put it in

1728
01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:42,460
all these concrete pillars with all these weird those weird shit that i've never seen before

1729
01:24:42,460 --> 01:24:49,100
and it was engineered fine-toothed comb by john dupris and we paid for it trust me so but when

1730
01:24:49,100 --> 01:24:53,039
they had an issue when they first tried to put it in the back half of the building

1731
01:24:53,039 --> 01:24:57,600
because it flooded and all the water came down from before and all the shit went right through

1732
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,920
that was in the ground because they ain't got nowhere to go

1733
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:02,779
they had no way it can't

1734
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:09,100
go it anywhere welcome to stanford it was just pump it in so then they had to run it to the

1735
01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:13,680
front of the building and let it feed the other way because there was a natural spring that was

1736
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:18,460
running down through and the water was pumping that's why all i felt like the amount of water

1737
01:25:18,460 --> 01:25:24,539
that was pouring in just to the village here i mean i was pumping 10 15 feet of water out of my

1738
01:25:24,539 --> 01:25:31,420
well and fill up in 20 seconds it was poor all i'm saying is i want to talk to an engineer

1739
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:32,939
just below my panel

1740
01:25:33,119 --> 01:25:36,420
because i don't think i think that honestly we should make a recommendation

1741
01:25:37,020 --> 01:25:40,739
to the zoning board that they revisit the zoning bylaws

1742
01:25:40,739 --> 01:25:52,060
they still can have in terms of overshadowing i'm not talking about the actual subject we would be

1743
01:25:52,060 --> 01:26:00,819
the ones that are the ones the zda only enforces or issues that come up right but this board is the

1744
01:26:00,819 --> 01:26:02,899
one that makes it right by laws all right

1745
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,960
this is what i'm talking about i wasn't sure if it was a zoning board

1746
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:13,880
so that we're planning something that we need to revisit yeah and for one of our bylaws to make

1747
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:20,220
sure that moving forward we don't have that overshadowing is not only defined but taken

1748
01:26:20,220 --> 01:26:25,920
care of right yeah because we ultimately need the definition and that definition needs to come not

1749
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:30,819
just from me saying well this or for him saying you know hey overshadowing is blah blah needs to

1750
01:26:30,819 --> 01:26:32,720
come from right like jim was saying

1751
01:26:33,180 --> 01:26:36,819
this is going to be something we're going to run into again not just with this property

1752
01:26:36,819 --> 01:26:37,680
back

1753
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:52,159
there are very few things i'm never going to agree with you

1754
01:26:52,159 --> 01:26:57,159
on we weren't calling overshadows i don't know you can't lie again but the situation was

1755
01:26:57,159 --> 01:27:01,840
different sides of the street you think we have

1756
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:03,159
right two thousand different sides of the street you think we have all right

1757
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:19,140
In 2009, we found that from one acre to two acres for that purpose to partially address this issue.

1758
01:27:19,260 --> 01:27:21,340
You're never going to address it in the village.

1759
01:27:22,579 --> 01:27:23,960
It's just not going to happen.

1760
01:27:23,979 --> 01:27:30,840
I mean, you can't address what currently exists, but for future, I know, what's overshadowed now is overshadowed,

1761
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:31,840
but for future development?

1762
01:27:32,199 --> 01:27:32,720
Yes.

1763
01:27:33,279 --> 01:27:39,220
I mean, that's something you can address, but really the only way to address it, I think, is to increase acreage.

1764
01:27:39,420 --> 01:27:41,939
Did we enforce that up in Osmawall, too?

1765
01:27:42,140 --> 01:27:42,579
No.

1766
01:27:42,699 --> 01:27:44,359
Not to go to two-acre lots?

1767
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:44,720
No.

1768
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:46,000
You can.

1769
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:51,159
It's under the approved building laws from the 1970s, 60s.

1770
01:27:52,539 --> 01:27:53,899
That is first development.

1771
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:58,159
I mean, there's a lot of houses right here in the village that sit on just over half an acre.

1772
01:27:58,279 --> 01:27:59,560
I mean, what is, is.

1773
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:00,819
What exists, exists.

1774
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:03,800
I'm just saying.

1775
01:28:04,279 --> 01:28:09,180
I have a piece of land that sits under an acre, under two, well, under two acres, just, just off the development.

1776
01:28:09,180 --> 01:28:12,319
But I can't build that for anybody that's listening.

1777
01:28:13,020 --> 01:28:14,060
I can't build that.

1778
01:28:15,109 --> 01:28:15,710
But anyway.

1779
01:28:15,930 --> 01:28:16,609
You can add on.

1780
01:28:16,770 --> 01:28:24,989
Because what other purpose was it for the three, I don't know, what was the purpose for us making a decision for the division of three lots?

1781
01:28:26,010 --> 01:28:29,090
What was the purpose of it coming to us to do the three lots?

1782
01:28:30,250 --> 01:28:31,210
Why can't you?

1783
01:28:31,289 --> 01:28:32,890
I was going to do some lots.

1784
01:28:32,890 --> 01:28:33,930
On the whole situation.

1785
01:28:34,750 --> 01:28:37,109
And I've read 7.2, like, I don't know.

1786
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:41,649
But she said not to consider the buildings.

1787
01:28:41,949 --> 01:28:50,029
So why when you're subdividing, just subdividing the land, two definitely decide, but three, we decide, but we have to make the same decision as her anyway.

1788
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:51,630
It makes no sense to me.

1789
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:52,350
Yeah, I got it.

1790
01:28:52,369 --> 01:28:55,789
I feel like there's a problem with the bylaws.

1791
01:28:56,489 --> 01:28:58,090
Or a lack of a bylaw.

1792
01:28:58,430 --> 01:29:02,310
Because I've been combing through it trying to find.

1793
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:02,829
So what's over?

1794
01:29:03,010 --> 01:29:03,670
There's a problem.

1795
01:29:03,890 --> 01:29:05,470
Go right up.

1796
01:29:05,829 --> 01:29:06,250
by the bylaw.

1797
01:29:06,250 --> 01:29:07,149
I have multiple issues.

1798
01:29:07,369 --> 01:29:07,750
What's her name?

1799
01:29:08,050 --> 01:29:08,710
What's her name?

1800
01:29:09,449 --> 01:29:10,210
I don't know.

1801
01:29:10,909 --> 01:29:11,789
I almost had.

1802
01:29:11,930 --> 01:29:13,189
What was I thinking like you now?

1803
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:13,750
I don't know.

1804
01:29:13,989 --> 01:29:14,510
Oh, did you?

1805
01:29:14,710 --> 01:29:15,210
Right now.

1806
01:29:15,210 --> 01:29:18,689
I mean, they called me in and they came in and were like, we'll give you a full price for the house.

1807
01:29:19,029 --> 01:29:21,609
So I would have had from the road all the way to the thing.

1808
01:29:21,609 --> 01:29:22,430
And I would have been good.

1809
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:22,970
It wouldn't matter.

1810
01:29:23,210 --> 01:29:23,569
Yeah.

1811
01:29:23,710 --> 01:29:27,909
No, I think this is a good idea to revisit this and sort it out.

1812
01:29:28,109 --> 01:29:29,829
This is the board to sort it out.

1813
01:29:30,210 --> 01:29:30,569
Okay.

1814
01:29:30,909 --> 01:29:31,270
Yeah.

1815
01:29:31,310 --> 01:29:31,829
I was going to.

1816
01:29:31,829 --> 01:29:33,590
next meeting, next agenda

1817
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:35,689
with overshadowing

1818
01:29:36,729 --> 01:29:37,550
that's enough

1819
01:29:37,550 --> 01:29:39,789
sorry to bring something else up

1820
01:29:39,789 --> 01:29:41,590
it's been bothering me

1821
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:42,310
I'm glad you did

1822
01:29:43,029 --> 01:29:44,189
thank you

1823
01:29:46,029 --> 01:29:46,789
you're right

1824
01:29:46,789 --> 01:29:48,729
you're absolutely right

1825
01:29:48,729 --> 01:29:49,890
if you want to do something

1826
01:29:49,890 --> 01:29:52,989
you have a better way of getting it

1827
01:29:52,989 --> 01:29:55,710
anything I say

1828
01:29:56,550 --> 01:29:58,130
I don't have a penis

1829
01:29:58,130 --> 01:29:59,989
if you're talking

1830
01:29:59,989 --> 01:30:01,050
if you're talking

1831
01:30:01,630 --> 01:30:03,310
there's an argument to be had with that

1832
01:30:03,310 --> 01:30:05,329
if you're trying to base a house

1833
01:30:05,329 --> 01:30:06,890
if you're trying to base a town

1834
01:30:06,890 --> 01:30:08,210
on second homers

1835
01:30:09,010 --> 01:30:11,489
if you had another dance here

1836
01:30:11,489 --> 01:30:12,529
we'd be standing straight up

1837
01:30:12,529 --> 01:30:14,050
and I'm not saying I agree with this

1838
01:30:14,510 --> 01:30:16,409
but you'd be more likely to sell lots

1839
01:30:16,409 --> 01:30:17,750
if they were probably at 10 acres

1840
01:30:19,380 --> 01:30:20,260
10 acres

1841
01:30:20,260 --> 01:30:21,880
because people can isolate themselves

1842
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,460
I agree with that

1843
01:30:26,380 --> 01:30:27,840
there's a lot to be talked about

1844
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,439
in the structure of how you want to do this

1845
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:30,000
thank you

1846
01:30:30,020 --> 01:30:31,220
I make a motion to adjourn

1847
01:30:31,220 --> 01:30:33,640
is this the flood zone?

1848
01:30:34,300 --> 01:30:35,659
who seconded?

1849
01:30:36,420 --> 01:30:38,340
I had a question

1850
01:30:40,020 --> 01:30:42,800
you guys made comments about

1851
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,539
maybe that the

1852
01:30:45,340 --> 01:30:46,579
emergency management

1853
01:30:46,579 --> 01:30:47,819
should do something

1854
01:30:47,819 --> 01:30:49,579
maybe for that

1855
01:30:49,579 --> 01:30:51,840
so I have a meeting coming up

1856
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,960
August 13th

1857
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:55,920
and I wrote down when the power's out

1858
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:57,539
what's done to get

1859
01:30:57,539 --> 01:30:59,579
any generator

1860
01:30:59,579 --> 01:31:00,000
to be able to get

1861
01:31:00,020 --> 01:31:01,140
or help from the state

1862
01:31:01,140 --> 01:31:03,220
and I said planning board is asking

1863
01:31:03,220 --> 01:31:05,119
what the state would do

1864
01:31:05,609 --> 01:31:06,479
to help getting

1865
01:31:06,869 --> 01:31:08,119
and not the one

1866
01:31:08,119 --> 01:31:10,859
so I will be bringing that to our meeting

1867
01:31:10,859 --> 01:31:11,359
okay

1868
01:31:11,359 --> 01:31:12,199
when we go up

1869
01:31:12,489 --> 01:31:12,720
yeah

1870
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:13,020
perfect

1871
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:15,039
I'll continue to

1872
01:31:15,039 --> 01:31:16,880
I'll continue to do some research

1873
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:18,020
pardon?

1874
01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:19,859
because right now we really only have this building

1875
01:31:19,859 --> 01:31:20,020
right

1876
01:31:20,020 --> 01:31:22,220
and it's a summer and a winter problem really

1877
01:31:22,510 --> 01:31:24,659
winter problem's a real problem like Dana said

1878
01:31:24,659 --> 01:31:25,640
but there was the big thing

1879
01:31:26,109 --> 01:31:27,319
but then the heat wave came

1880
01:31:27,319 --> 01:31:28,779
and I realized it's all coming up

1881
01:31:28,779 --> 01:31:29,420
yeah

1882
01:31:29,420 --> 01:31:30,079
and one of the things

1883
01:31:30,079 --> 01:31:31,239
exactly what I'm coming in

1884
01:31:31,239 --> 01:31:33,199
a lot of people's septics need

1885
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:35,279
the power to pump the septic out

1886
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:36,220
yeah

1887
01:31:36,220 --> 01:31:37,399
I didn't bring that up

1888
01:31:37,399 --> 01:31:38,300
because I just thought of it

1889
01:31:38,300 --> 01:31:39,279
while we were talking

1890
01:31:39,279 --> 01:31:41,020
I don't know if any of you know

1891
01:31:41,020 --> 01:31:42,279
a Neil Glassman

1892
01:31:42,279 --> 01:31:42,699
gravity

1893
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:44,600
I flush my clothes

1894
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:45,060
from the team

1895
01:31:45,689 --> 01:31:46,420
roll the tongue

1896
01:31:46,420 --> 01:31:47,000
and join us

1897
01:31:47,550 --> 01:31:48,500
so you're gravity

1898
01:31:48,500 --> 01:31:49,159
to the river

1899
01:31:49,159 --> 01:31:50,140
but a lot of people

1900
01:31:50,140 --> 01:31:51,760
especially with model systems

1901
01:31:52,430 --> 01:31:53,239
it's got to be a pump

1902
01:31:53,239 --> 01:31:54,199
it's an ejected pump

1903
01:31:54,649 --> 01:31:54,880
yeah

1904
01:31:55,329 --> 01:31:55,840
I had a

1905
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:57,359
I had a 5,000 million dollars

1906
01:31:57,359 --> 01:31:58,159
in the bank

1907
01:31:59,420 --> 01:32:00,520
and I'm trying to be right about the house

1908
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:02,560
so I didn't want to be coming into it

1909
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:03,239
so I'm not saying

1910
01:32:04,180 --> 01:32:05,279
power is important

1911
01:32:05,279 --> 01:32:06,899
I made a motion for adjourn

1912
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:08,359
seconded by Dan

1913
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:09,859
all in favor

1914
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:10,460
aye

1915
01:32:11,939 --> 01:32:12,619
very good

1916
01:32:12,619 --> 01:32:13,319
thank you

1917
01:32:13,319 --> 01:32:14,779
thank you

1918
01:32:17,739 --> 01:32:18,000
thank you

1919
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:18,319
thank you

1920
01:32:19,100 --> 01:32:19,539
thank you

1921
01:32:19,539 --> 01:32:20,380
thank you

1922
01:32:20,380 --> 01:32:20,600
thank you

1923
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:21,000
thank you

1924
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:21,100
thank you