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Let's please recall what happened 80 years ago today, that over 400,000 servicemen landed in Normandy.

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My father was on the second wave, and he saw Teddy Roosevelt with his cane walking up the beach in between all the fire and water.

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Okay, let's start the Pledge of Allegiance.

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The Pledge of Allegiance to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit.

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To the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Welcome to a meeting of the Stanford Select Board.

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If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address.

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You will notice that all our meetings are recorded, and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes.

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Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments for visitors.

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Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner, in respect of others.

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Select Board members present are Nancy Bershika,

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Will there be any adding of items? I can't wait until next meeting, or removing from tonight's agenda.

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Laura, do you have anything to add?

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Aye.

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Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, such as changing the order of the items?

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And just to make you know, Jeb is recording the select video, recording the select board minutes.

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Meetings, okay.

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Hearing of visitors, Bill.

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I'm coming as the town's CDB representative, DV5 group associate, and the discussion lately is how to allocate and what to do with the $7,500 in ARPA funds

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that we put aside.

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And gave to DV5 to help you take one of these and pass it along.

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What we'd like to do is come up with a plan between DV5 and the select board as to how that money should be spent,

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how it should be asked for by the residents of town that might need help.

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This document that Bill just shared with you is DV5's suggestion.

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I asked you.

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Suggestion.

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For people to self-certify that they need the support.

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We're not in the business of getting into people's finances.

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I can't imagine you guys are either.

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All right.

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And this is a suggestion as to what DV5 would say.

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That people can self-certify that they need support in the installation of their fiber connection to their home.

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Typically, that's going to be an underground conduit or something like that that isn't there.

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Um.

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There are currently five, seven, seven now, people in town that are waiting on a conduit to be installed before they're.

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Well, they're waiting on something.

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And it might be from the air or conduit.

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Most of the conduit.

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So a suggestion, you know, this is going to be your choice as to how you want to divvy up that $7,500 over how many people it might need.

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Yeah.

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You know, the big advantage is, you know, people want your money pretty quickly.

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We were talking at the, at the DV5, or what meeting were we in last night?

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I don't know.

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Last night was the executive day.

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We were talking in one of the meetings about this.

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We had a meeting with, with the chair of DV5, or about this before this, the other day.

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And, you know, at $7,500, it could be 10 people at $750 to help support the installation.

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You know, or.

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It could be five people at $1,500, but, you know, that's, it doesn't go very far, but we left the stretch as far as we could.

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Nancy, wasn't there a match?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we put $7,500 in, and the state.

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There was a match from the state to DV5.

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So.

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Oh, so that, that other $700, $700.

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Is unrestricted support to DV5.

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They're for everybody's use.

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How did we vote on this last, it wasn't this March, it was a year ago March, that we would use for what?

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How did we work that?

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Can you read that warrant article?

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What we'd like to do is get it ahead in front of you, and ask the VLG to get that at the next meeting,

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that we can make a decision on how that happens.

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To think about whether something like this is a way to approach what somebody needs.

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This is a way of outlining what they need, and how much it might cost,

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and it's their responsibility to get an estimate of how much it would cost.

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And there's also a form so that they can certify their need, and there's some guidelines as to that need.

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Who decides on this?

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You.

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Oh, I don't like that.

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So.

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I don't like that.

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The question is, if we set up a policy as to how it's going to be done, then there's no,

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there's nothing involved in oh that's my neighbor that's my own right if it's a policy that we've

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got to say okay for 10 people that show up it's 750 but if they self-certify and they need it

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and all this type of stuff so what when is the money going to be available well the money is

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available now yeah so what is the average cost is everybody have an idea what the cost is for the

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underground conduit that everybody we know the seven people are required every situation is

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likely different depending on the conditions that they're digging in the ground you don't have like

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an average per foot cost you don't know we haven't we can probably try and find out more of that from

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some of our contractors because i don't know personal personally because i've got dd fiber

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and uh like the length from pole to the house it was like substantial it was like 400 feet

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and it's over 400 feet then then uh

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charging but it was that's like four poles and i don't foresee anybody needing 400 feet but the

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underground conduit is another situation according to most of our pre-survey results because we had a

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company do a pre-survey on all addresses and towns the undergrounds 95 percent of them are

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less than 200 feet but some of these people with a 200 foot underground might not need any assistance

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well that's a pretty

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low number that they're talking on the back here of what they mean at least the self-certification

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for financial aid yeah our intention when we put the money aside was for people who were going to

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really need assistance right now we have seven people that they've identified they've applied

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and said they're interested and they're not ready to get a connection

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was of all kinds of security and priority bob and i both had to take a 20-page

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program of reading how the rules are what information you can give out to people

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and send a certificate back to db fiber that we read it and will abide by us and they haven't

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released those seven people's names to us hopefully within the next week they will we'll go up and look at them

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they will send out they will connect through to the house of the era if that's okay

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yeah that's the thing that's the homeowner i might not want it

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uh so this is a suggestion for this is possibly uh we db fire can say well there is a program to

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the town you can get some assistance and there's a program to the town you can get some assistance

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and you need to communicate with the town to do that.

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If we decide that we wanna allow $500 as a maximum award,

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which means you can take up to the first 15 people

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that have need, and you can give them up to $500

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toward the cost that they're going to have.

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These are things that we'd like you to think about

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for two weeks, and we'll come back

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and try to inform the policy for it.

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What, do we need some kind of deadline

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to apply, basically?

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No, money's fair.

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You're saying, once money's in, it's all out.

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There won't be any other money added.

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That's what I'm trying to say.

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That's it, and the homeowner needs to pay for the job,

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and this is, D.D. Fiber will reimburse them that.

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Homeowner needs to pay, the portion that is coming

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from the ARPA funds will be paid

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to the contractors direct by D.D. Fiber.

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So if they have a project that's within the amount

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that we're gonna grant them, they don't have

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to put up any money at all.

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If it's $1,000, and we're only gonna give them $500,

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they'll have to put up the first $500.

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That's a fair assessment, yeah.

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Beyond that, they want the money from this to be paid

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to the contractors directly, so there's no question.

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Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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Of it being done.

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Sorry, I didn't remember that part.

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So we can think about this for two weeks.

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Yes, we just want to take our five minutes

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and get you to think about it.

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Lori, can you read that Warren article?

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And then we have an explanation.

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I don't know if it's in there, too, but that's in there.

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Yeah, Warren article just says

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so the town of Sanford contributes $7,500 to D.D. Fiber.

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Okay, and then we said something in the explanation.

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But, which is probably in here.

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The board report?

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Yeah.

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And then we talked about it, the board meeting said

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if it's not all used, you'd want it just on that.

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Yeah.

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Oh, here.

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We ask voters to approve Warren article 12 for $7,500

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to pay D.D. Fiber in support of its commitment

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to connect high-speed internet service to every house in town

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which has an electric grid connection.

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The funds will be used to assist those of limited means

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with a one-time connection cost.

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D.D. Fiber is receiving a grant

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that will match the town's donation.

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So it just says limited needs, okay.

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Just as a note, also, we said a one-time connection cost.

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We didn't limit it to conduit,

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even though that was our underlying thought.

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And if somebody has a $250,000,

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$50,000 cost to get it to the house

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and then needs another $125,000 for over 50-foot cabling

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inside the house, we could still apply for that, you know,

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that money to them within the $500,000

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or $1,000, whatever limit we set.

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Because it doesn't say.

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We didn't make it.

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No, we didn't.

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No.

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Just as limited means.

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What if there's already a conduit there

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and there's a cable in place

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that they're using now, like, whatever, like, consolidated?

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Couldn't you just technically, like, tie it on to the other one

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and measure pulling out the other cable pull-up?

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D.D. Fiber will not do that.

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No.

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You, if the homeowner wants to give up their...

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So D.D. Fiber is saying

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that they want their own designated conduit, or...

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No, they just want a conduit with a pull-pull.

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But they won't pull someone else's wiring.

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That's correct.

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They won't touch anybody else's wiring.

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Got you.

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Or their contractor wants to pull out that old wire

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and put a pull cord in.

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It's perfectly acceptable.

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Laura?

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I had that done.

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I had conduit in my house,

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and I had it streamed through my conduit to my house

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just in case for future use,

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and this is exactly what happened.

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D.D. Fiber came up.

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They did it.

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They snaked it through.

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I had nothing in there.

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Mine was vacant, but if they were stating

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if there was some other line,

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it can't be on electricity.

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So certain things, it can't be.

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It can't be in the same conduit with.

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And they can give you more guidance on that.

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Yeah.

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That was good thinking.

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Yeah.

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Do you have another string in there for me?

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There's a little bit of water in there frozen,

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but they got it out.

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Yeah.

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But once we have those seven people's locations

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as the first people that we know,

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and it won't be limited to those seven people,

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we'll go out and look at their particular situation.

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Maybe they want conduit.

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Maybe they don't.

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Maybe they just needed more education.

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No, I think we'll just let them know

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that there is funds available through the panel.

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That's what I'm trying to get ahead of it for you guys.

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So you can set up the policy as to how that will be paid off.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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One question.

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Do you know of any other towns

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that have a policy in place already?

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Yes.

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Halifax, okay.

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Halifax has got a policy, and, you know,

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they have a policy, and, you know,

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they have a policy, and, you know,

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they are allocated, don't quote me,

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I think $40,000 from their ARPA funds,

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and they have a procedure,

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and we can get you a copy of their qualifying rate.

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Reedsboro, however much they allocate,

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it said we'll give $50 for the first month of connection fees

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to the first 150 or the first number of people that connect.

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I'd like to see some of the other towns' policies,

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because it's always,

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you know, it's good to see what they're doing.

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There was a W-2 in the middle reference.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, Halifax has got a lot of underground services.

244
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There's a large section of Halifax that's underground.

245
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So if you can see their policies,

246
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if you could email them to me or have them email them to me,

247
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we can look at them just for ideas.

248
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Thank you.

249
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Okay, any other visitors here?

250
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Yeah.

251
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I have just three things I'll try to get by.

252
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Okay.

253
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Yeah, sure.

254
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Dave, this is a question, actually two of them are for you.

255
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Would, are you getting split wood this year?

256
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Yep.

257
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Have you, has it gone out to bid, or?

258
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Nope, I ordered it.

259
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So you just, locally?

260
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Out of Cheshire.

261
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Okay, so nobody was able to bid on that?

262
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No.

263
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Okay, is that normal for?

264
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We.

265
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Because I mean, there's so many people.

266
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There's so many people here that do wood processing.

267
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We never came out before.

268
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Yeah, that's part of the problem.

269
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I mean, just like lawn mowing or anything.

270
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I never came out before.

271
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But you took the time to bid every, I mean, it's variable.

272
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And you're under a certain amount of it.

273
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It's under $2,000.

274
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I mean, if I bid on everything, that was a couple thousand bucks.

275
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So that means a whole ton of dollars.

276
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Right, right, that's true.

277
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I would just throw it out there.

278
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In town, I deliver wood for $250.

279
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So keep that in the back of your mind.

280
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Okay.

281
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Split the stack.

282
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Split and deliver.

283
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I noticed that my pile next door is getting lower, so.

284
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Yep, internally.

285
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I will say that the wood I'm getting

286
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is of extremely high quality.

287
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It's dry.

288
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It's about as dry as you're going to get.

289
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It's not green.

290
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And I can get it in the middle of the winter, and it's dry.

291
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So it's 300 bucks of wood.

292
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Never came out before, Dennis.

293
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It's why we're in this stale chat.

294
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We have to have some of the cordial.

295
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I was going through Florida here, and I'm on the set, so.

296
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I didn't realize you were coming to this part.

297
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Regarding the magnesium chloride, isn't that, like, really corrosive to vehicles?

298
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Less than calcium chloride.

299
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Right, but just to keep dust down, and it's a little harmful to the trees and plants.

300
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I'm just curious.

301
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Just the magnesium.

302
00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:28,839
The stuff we do.

303
00:17:28,839 --> 00:17:31,869
The stuff we use is the, like, Caliber 2000 stuff.

304
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It's supposed to be more environmentally better than the alternative, basically.

305
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Okay.

306
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I mean, it's nice.

307
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Don't get me wrong.

308
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It's really nice driving without a big dust cloud behind you, but.

309
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Well, it's for the stabilization of the road, so it keeps regrading down, so there's fewer

310
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grading.

311
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Really, I think it does less harm to your vehicle, because you're not beating it over

312
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the months.

313
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Right.

314
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And new stone.

315
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I mean, it's a new car, and you take your pick, you know?

316
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It's the lesser of two eagles, is all I can tell you.

317
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There's no perfect scenario, and for the most part, we put it down, you know, in a couple

318
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minutes, it's kind of absorbed into the ground, and you're not going to be able to see it.

319
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Oh, I did.

320
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I was right behind you.

321
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That's what I thought.

322
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Oh, my green truck.

323
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I'm like, oh my gosh.

324
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Because it's just dead.

325
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Because it's just dead.

326
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It's just with the pollen and yellow and yellow and...

327
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It's just kind of bad times.

328
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And knowing that, you know, it's not going to be good for you.

329
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That's what I thought.

330
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It's just going to be bad.

331
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:34,190
You would probably want to leave your car home and spray it off.

332
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Oh, I did?

333
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Yeah.

334
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So...

335
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Yeah.

336
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It's a necessary evil.

337
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We don't do a lot of it.

338
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We don't kind of spot grade.

339
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There's other places that have tractor trailers coming in and going in.

340
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We just spot, spot, and treat.

341
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If it's...

342
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I don't put it down if there's, you know, we get plenty of rain, I don't bother with

343
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it.

344
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The roads were packed in pretty good this year, and, you know, we're just trying to

345
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keep it in.

346
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And, you know, we're just trying to keep it in.

347
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And, you know, we're just trying to keep it in.

348
00:18:51,569 --> 00:18:52,569
We're trying to keep it in.

349
00:18:52,569 --> 00:18:53,569
And, you know, we're just trying to keep it in.

350
00:18:53,569 --> 00:18:54,569
And, you know, we're just trying to keep it in.

351
00:18:54,569 --> 00:18:55,569
And, you know, we're just trying to keep it in.

352
00:18:55,569 --> 00:18:56,569
And, you know, I wanted to get ahead of some of the washboards that were going off

353
00:18:56,569 --> 00:18:57,569
last week, and, you know, kind of hit some of the spots that were holding good.

354
00:18:57,569 --> 00:18:58,569
Hopefully, that will help.

355
00:18:58,569 --> 00:18:59,569
Plus, I had to do...

356
00:18:59,569 --> 00:19:00,569
We put gravels out on Meshur Hill, so I wanted to make sure I had some floor right under

357
00:19:00,569 --> 00:19:01,569
that.

358
00:19:01,569 --> 00:19:02,569
If somebody comes up and wants to talk to you or anything?

359
00:19:02,569 --> 00:19:03,569
Yeah.

360
00:19:03,569 --> 00:19:04,569
That's true.

361
00:19:04,569 --> 00:19:05,569
I don't know.

362
00:19:05,569 --> 00:19:06,569
I'll try to figure it out.

363
00:19:06,569 --> 00:19:07,920
I'll try to figure it out for you as well.

364
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:08,920
So, let's see if we can get it done.

365
00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:09,920
And, you know, I can't do it?

366
00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:16,660
home again and hopefully they'll help plus i had to do we put grabbers on on the sure hill

367
00:19:16,660 --> 00:19:26,740
so i want to make sure i got some flora after that you know somebody comes up

368
00:19:30,180 --> 00:19:33,140
did you just use water or no is that it was just a bad thing

369
00:19:35,940 --> 00:19:43,730
the mag is actually from what i've read and you can read it up it's actually like not harmful

370
00:19:43,730 --> 00:19:51,519
for people really but yeah there's a corrosive element the stuff that we use and they have an

371
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additive to make it less corrosive even because that's the same stuff that's in there in the

372
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winter and then you try to combat it but that's why i don't use calcium because it's calcium

373
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number three last one of course i have to bring up the female file guys we're coming up on the

374
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go

375
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i would like to have you guys seriously consider putting that into an ordinance rather than just a

376
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vote so that in the future this doesn't come up and we would have missed an opportunity with fema

377
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so that it is more fair to other applicants so that it is not subjective and i think that's an

378
00:20:52,210 --> 00:20:59,220
important thing for you to consider if you're going to move forward if you're serious about it

379
00:21:00,099 --> 00:21:08,960
or or if the next person that comes up you all can just vote to reverse that right right yeah

380
00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:16,880
i mean look what happened to me seven months go by and you all vote to reverse it so i think um

381
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:23,789
in fairness to the entire town it needs to be more than this okay is the deadline the pushback

382
00:21:24,750 --> 00:21:29,470
august i'm not sure the deadline for this past one i think is still the same but

383
00:21:30,509 --> 00:21:36,190
so i heard that there was other programs that we i think at one time investigated that were

384
00:21:36,190 --> 00:21:42,579
a 25 match for municipalities so i think i think the governor removed that now so i think they're

385
00:21:42,579 --> 00:21:48,500
also funded by the state which includes elevations you know floodplain mitigation

386
00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:53,980
things of that nature whatever it may consist of so there's no longer a match but in this

387
00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:59,099
appellate and i think they pushed the deadline deadline it wasn't necessarily a match for the

388
00:21:59,099 --> 00:22:06,140
municipalities it was for the homeowner the business owner was mostly the match for that

389
00:22:06,140 --> 00:22:13,779
some of them were municipalities as well whatever whatever the one i read the match is gone

390
00:22:13,779 --> 00:22:18,180
elevation was missed yes yes so those matches are gone

391
00:22:19,779 --> 00:22:20,019
well

392
00:22:20,019 --> 00:22:20,579
whatever

393
00:22:20,579 --> 00:22:20,980
we hope

394
00:22:20,980 --> 00:22:22,019
i mean

395
00:22:22,019 --> 00:22:22,180
yeah

396
00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:22,660
yeah

397
00:22:22,660 --> 00:22:22,900
we hope

398
00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:23,380
we hope

399
00:22:23,380 --> 00:22:23,619
we hope

400
00:22:23,619 --> 00:22:23,859
we hope

401
00:22:23,859 --> 00:22:23,940
we hope

402
00:22:23,940 --> 00:22:24,019
we hope

403
00:22:24,019 --> 00:22:24,579
we hope

404
00:22:24,579 --> 00:22:25,500
we hope

405
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:25,819
okay

406
00:22:26,990 --> 00:22:32,509
reading and approval of records and orders regular minutes of may 16th

407
00:22:32,509 --> 00:22:51,150
any discussion all in favor motion approved road conditions dave what do you have

408
00:22:51,150 --> 00:22:58,180
we're working on roadside mulling yeah at this moment i would say that most of the

409
00:22:58,180 --> 00:23:06,369
cranes down there's a few more class four roads that need to be done

410
00:23:06,369 --> 00:23:13,200
so we've moved on to roadside mulling now we'll do that we'll probably do some ditching as well

411
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:19,630
and regrade some spots that get rough and like i said earlier we were putting down some gravel

412
00:23:22,130 --> 00:23:27,809
some down on the shirt hill because it was getting back down to the stone that we put back in 09

413
00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:33,099
so it's getting almost impossible to be able to grade it without having it just all rot

414
00:23:34,910 --> 00:23:40,500
we put down something on the klondike on the class four because we like to keep that loop

415
00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:50,369
you know that's a lot of the stones we're sticking up pretty high so

416
00:23:50,369 --> 00:23:57,359
we need to cover them before something took a little pain i was up there uh last night and there

417
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:04,259
was uh two residents they wanted to thank you for the great job you did on the class three part of

418
00:24:04,259 --> 00:24:10,579
that combat especially the hill i guess you did it you waited and they came back and pushed the stones

419
00:24:10,579 --> 00:24:17,380
down and we did a great job and uh they just wanted to thank you for it really nice well we graded it

420
00:24:18,019 --> 00:24:20,579
we had graded it and then i think i did it on a fry

421
00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:26,420
day or something and the weekend just ruined it i went for a ride that monday morning and went

422
00:24:26,980 --> 00:24:32,420
around and the road and the hill was already rough so i went back the next day it was raining

423
00:24:32,420 --> 00:24:36,420
yeah because there's an ideal situation where it really makes a big difference

424
00:24:36,980 --> 00:24:42,099
and then once it rolled into the rain when i chloride it we went chloride so it should be

425
00:24:42,099 --> 00:24:50,460
holding you know it's holding nice now but you know what you do with class four from klondike

426
00:24:51,579 --> 00:25:00,619
on that park yeah we got yeah okay so last year it was just too wet to even think about doing

427
00:25:00,619 --> 00:25:06,430
anything out there so this year we have that we've had this dry spell so i took the opportunity to

428
00:25:06,430 --> 00:25:11,789
try to do something there and someone's asking who put that nice stone down there yeah good stuff

429
00:25:12,670 --> 00:25:18,829
that that's stuff that the power company had yeah the project that's where i thought it was happening

430
00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:20,670
come on yeah it came out i'd say for a while but we had to bring it back and stuff like that and we were happy about it we're happy about how it worked on it.

431
00:25:20,670 --> 00:25:21,549
no there's a lot of success out there so we have a lot of good stuff out there so we're happy about it.

432
00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:28,900
I would say I appreciate your timing on the roadside mowing too, it helps keep the invasives down

433
00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:31,900
way better than the state schedules when they do it right at sea.

434
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:41,900
Timing on that is great. We tried to get out and mow the knot a week or so ago.

435
00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:47,900
You can really notice the difference too if you ride the state highway or the road when the parts and things come out.

436
00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:51,900
Did you get a knot within our mill? No.

437
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:54,130
There isn't. Yeah, there is.

438
00:25:54,130 --> 00:25:56,130
Nowhere else? Right before Jacob.

439
00:25:56,130 --> 00:25:58,319
Oh, it was down on the right side.

440
00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:01,319
Now we don't get a major problem. It's everywhere.

441
00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:04,319
Well, here's where the mountain house is.

442
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:08,319
It's basically covered with almost every wet area, river bank and everything.

443
00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:12,119
They do have pretty flowers on them.

444
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,119
You can make good wine out of them.

445
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,119
Yeah, so you've got to get people to either drink it or eat it.

446
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,119
Dave.

447
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,119
Yeah, down the grading and filling some potholes.

448
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:28,119
Down at the cemetery, the exit road, there's a few potholes and I don't know how often you grade or fill.

449
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:33,119
On the exit road, we don't maintain that. That's not a town road.

450
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,119
Going up to Gruden's?

451
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,119
Going up to Gruden's it is, but not the other road.

452
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,119
Yeah, that's the exit road, isn't it?

453
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,119
That's the entrance.

454
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,119
No, it's the exit.

455
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,119
No, they reversed it.

456
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,119
Oh.

457
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,119
The entrance is free.

458
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,119
Cool.

459
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,119
I always figured that.

460
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,119
Maybe you do that too.

461
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,119
Into the outdoor.

462
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,119
I do profile this.

463
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,119
Yes.

464
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,119
No, those were fairly large when I went over there a couple weeks ago with a loader

465
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,119
to try to get them to drain before I could get there.

466
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,119
Okay.

467
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,119
Because they were so large they were big water holes, basically.

468
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,119
Okay.

469
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,119
So you know and ...

470
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,119
We're getting to it.

471
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,119
Get to them.

472
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,119
Okay.

473
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,119
Yeah.

474
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,119
Wagon's only one way to do things.

475
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,119
Huh?

476
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,119
Wagon's only one...

477
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,119
Exactly.

478
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,119
The doors be squeaky.

479
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,119
Can I pull the cap there?

480
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,119
Yeah.

481
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,119
No.

482
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,119
Okay.

483
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:29,119
Dave, were you able to perform any of the safety recommendations that the VLCT recommended at the garage?

484
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:34,150
Well, just do a little at a time.

485
00:27:34,150 --> 00:27:37,150
I mean, we have done things over the years, but...

486
00:27:37,150 --> 00:27:39,150
Well, since he came down.

487
00:27:39,150 --> 00:27:42,150
There's no money to do anything that he recommended.

488
00:27:42,150 --> 00:27:49,759
But there are also recommendations. They're not, oh, somebody's going to die here.

489
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:53,759
I can make a lot of recommendations. I can't get to all of them.

490
00:27:53,759 --> 00:28:00,759
No, no, don't. As long as you do one or two a while, show that we're trying to do them.

491
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,759
There is one particular one on the hit list, which is the eyewash problem.

492
00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:05,759
We're so busy.

493
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:07,759
The eyewash is straight in the middle.

494
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:11,759
We start getting a bunch of rainy days, and I'm struggling to find something to do.

495
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:12,759
That's when I'll come back.

496
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:14,759
But it's been good working with her.

497
00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:17,759
And one more question. Summer work hours.

498
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:18,759
Yeah.

499
00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:21,759
Because in the winter, I know you're on call 24-7.

500
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:22,759
Correct.

501
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,759
And in summer, you go in earlier and out earlier.

502
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:26,759
Yes.

503
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:28,759
Do you work 6 to 2?

504
00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:31,759
I usually work 5.30 to 2, and I work 6 to 2.30.

505
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:35,759
Because a lot of times in the morning, I take the opportunity to go ride and look at places,

506
00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:38,759
so I'm not counting his time, too, just mine.

507
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:41,759
So it gives me a half hour to check something out

508
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,759
if I want to do that project or not for the day.

509
00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:45,759
You're out early.

510
00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:46,759
Yeah.

511
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:50,210
Well, I mean, the thing is, I'm up.

512
00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:53,819
It's kind of hard to switch schedules.

513
00:28:53,819 --> 00:28:55,819
Because you're waiting for snow in the summer.

514
00:28:55,819 --> 00:28:56,819
Yeah.

515
00:28:56,819 --> 00:29:00,819
I'm up at 2.30 in the morning, so by 5.30, I'm already...

516
00:29:00,819 --> 00:29:03,819
I'm sure you're the type of guy that just completely shuts it right off, too,

517
00:29:03,819 --> 00:29:04,819
as soon as you get home, right?

518
00:29:04,819 --> 00:29:08,819
Right. Yeah, right.

519
00:29:08,819 --> 00:29:10,819
So that's the schedule, anyways.

520
00:29:10,819 --> 00:29:11,819
Okay.

521
00:29:11,819 --> 00:29:13,819
Some days, we...

522
00:29:13,819 --> 00:29:15,819
You know, sometimes jobs take longer.

523
00:29:15,819 --> 00:29:18,819
This isn't mill work where I can just shut the machine down.

524
00:29:18,819 --> 00:29:20,819
If I'm in the middle of something, I got to stay later.

525
00:29:20,819 --> 00:29:21,819
Right.

526
00:29:21,819 --> 00:29:23,819
You know, come Friday or some other day when I've got something to do,

527
00:29:23,819 --> 00:29:25,819
I might leave earlier.

528
00:29:25,819 --> 00:29:26,819
But you're adjusting your hours.

529
00:29:26,819 --> 00:29:27,819
Yeah.

530
00:29:27,819 --> 00:29:28,819
Yeah.

531
00:29:28,819 --> 00:29:32,819
Anything else on roads before we move on to two things?

532
00:29:32,819 --> 00:29:33,819
Yes, Lori.

533
00:29:33,819 --> 00:29:37,819
I have something on roads that I haven't had a chance to talk to Dave about yet.

534
00:29:37,819 --> 00:29:42,450
The Class 2 Highway Program.

535
00:29:42,450 --> 00:29:45,450
The highway program that we applied for, the grant.

536
00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:48,450
It looks like we're on the list for approval.

537
00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:50,539
So that would be Easter Owls.

538
00:29:50,539 --> 00:29:51,539
Yeah.

539
00:29:51,539 --> 00:29:52,539
That'd be great.

540
00:29:52,539 --> 00:29:53,539
That's the Easter Owls.

541
00:29:53,539 --> 00:29:54,539
And what was...

542
00:29:54,539 --> 00:29:55,539
Chim and Chit Seal.

543
00:29:55,539 --> 00:29:56,539
Chim and Chit Seal.

544
00:29:56,539 --> 00:29:57,539
Ooh.

545
00:29:57,539 --> 00:29:59,539
I don't know if the money would cover them.

546
00:29:59,539 --> 00:30:02,380
I guess we've got to wait and see what it is.

547
00:30:02,380 --> 00:30:03,380
Yeah.

548
00:30:03,380 --> 00:30:04,380
But I don't think it covered the full amount.

549
00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:05,380
But that's great if they're to give us...

550
00:30:05,380 --> 00:30:07,380
I think we could put it for $200,000.

551
00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:08,380
Yeah.

552
00:30:08,380 --> 00:30:09,380
I just have the email on it.

553
00:30:09,380 --> 00:30:10,380
Okay.

554
00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:11,380
We'll put it...

555
00:30:11,380 --> 00:30:12,380
Well, the guardrails

556
00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:13,380
So, yeah.

557
00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:14,380
I was actually going to mention that.

558
00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:15,380
It's supposed to be the week of the 16th.

559
00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:16,380
That's what the guy told me in June.

560
00:30:16,380 --> 00:30:17,539
That's what we're on with our schedule.

561
00:30:17,539 --> 00:30:18,539
So it'll get done?

562
00:30:18,539 --> 00:30:19,539
I'm open.

563
00:30:19,539 --> 00:30:20,539
The 16th you're open?

564
00:30:20,539 --> 00:30:21,539
Well, if I was doing it and I told you that's what was going to happen, it would happen.

565
00:30:21,539 --> 00:30:22,539
But it's scheduled for...

566
00:30:22,539 --> 00:30:23,539
It's scheduled for it.

567
00:30:23,539 --> 00:30:24,539
And we talked to FEMA yesterday, Lori.

568
00:30:24,539 --> 00:30:25,539
Yeah.

569
00:30:25,539 --> 00:30:26,539
On the phone about it.

570
00:30:26,539 --> 00:30:27,539
So hopefully all that stuff is fine with what the rest do.

571
00:30:27,539 --> 00:30:28,539
And then, yeah.

572
00:30:28,539 --> 00:30:29,539
Yeah.

573
00:30:29,539 --> 00:30:30,539
Yeah.

574
00:30:30,539 --> 00:30:31,539
Yeah.

575
00:30:31,539 --> 00:30:32,539
Yeah.

576
00:30:32,539 --> 00:30:33,539
Yeah.

577
00:30:33,539 --> 00:30:34,539
Yeah.

578
00:30:34,539 --> 00:30:35,920
Yeah.

579
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:36,920
Yeah.

580
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:37,920
Yeah.

581
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:38,920
Yeah.

582
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:39,920
Yeah.

583
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:40,920
Yeah.

584
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,920
Yeah.

585
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,299
Yeah.

586
00:30:43,299 --> 00:30:44,299
Yeah.

587
00:30:44,299 --> 00:30:45,299
Okay.

588
00:30:45,299 --> 00:30:46,299
Okay.

589
00:30:46,299 --> 00:30:47,299
That's that's all I need to know.

590
00:30:47,299 --> 00:30:48,299
And the threeoned�� Frenchcha.

591
00:30:48,299 --> 00:30:49,299
Okay.

592
00:30:49,299 --> 00:30:50,299
Thank you for coming along.

593
00:30:50,299 --> 00:30:51,299
Thank you.

594
00:30:51,299 --> 00:30:52,299
This is Lori on behalf of 출 correlation for counselor.

595
00:30:52,299 --> 00:30:53,299
ha recapturen 18 10 at amateur numbers is still on.

596
00:30:53,299 --> 00:30:54,859
And then over by the N выполnder 1, and I know you've been on the phone with them for

597
00:30:54,859 --> 00:30:56,180
hours and hours and hours and new forms and new this thing and that.

598
00:30:56,180 --> 00:30:57,180
Are we completing any of the roads or?

599
00:30:57,180 --> 00:31:01,539
Yeah, I worked with them today and I sent what I hope is the final information that

600
00:31:01,539 --> 00:31:04,099
he was looking for.

601
00:31:04,099 --> 00:31:11,619
He wanted documentation evidence to show, like for the past years that we regularly

602
00:31:11,619 --> 00:31:12,619
maintained the road.

603
00:31:12,619 --> 00:31:14,220
Did I go on the�

604
00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:18,450
What do you, what do you want me to send you?

605
00:31:18,450 --> 00:31:20,450
Yes, we maintain a road.

606
00:31:20,450 --> 00:31:24,450
I guess our time sheets.

607
00:31:24,450 --> 00:31:26,450
Time sheets.

608
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:28,450
Money is down the road.

609
00:31:28,450 --> 00:31:31,450
You know, the stuff that they want is really kind of silly.

610
00:31:31,450 --> 00:31:34,450
Very time consuming. Very time consuming.

611
00:31:34,450 --> 00:31:38,450
The worst part is they've already, they've already come down.

612
00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:41,450
The state's already come down. FEMA's already been here.

613
00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:43,450
They've already looked it all over.

614
00:31:43,450 --> 00:31:46,450
They've done all that and this is just going backwards now.

615
00:31:46,450 --> 00:31:48,450
There's no reason at all.

616
00:31:48,450 --> 00:31:51,450
Somebody just has a bunch of time.

617
00:31:51,450 --> 00:31:53,450
Well, hang in there and keep submitting your time.

618
00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:58,450
Yeah. Yeah, Dave and I put in a lot of work this week trying to find hours.

619
00:31:58,450 --> 00:32:01,220
Okay.

620
00:32:01,220 --> 00:32:04,220
Anything else, Dave, before we move on later?

621
00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:05,220
Okay.

622
00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:09,380
So we have county road reclassification.

623
00:32:09,380 --> 00:32:14,470
We talked about this back in October 2020.

624
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:18,660
This is three-tenths of a mile.

625
00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:24,980
We talked about declassifying from a class four road to a trail.

626
00:32:24,980 --> 00:32:34,259
And it's from the Pottle line back to Stanford.

627
00:32:34,259 --> 00:32:37,259
And it's about where the power lines are?

628
00:32:37,259 --> 00:32:40,309
Yeah, where the power lines are.

629
00:32:40,309 --> 00:32:44,319
Yeah.

630
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:48,799
So we had a couple of questions.

631
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,410
We signed a resolution for that.

632
00:32:51,410 --> 00:32:57,410
We signed a resolution that VASA has permission to use that .3 county road.

633
00:32:57,410 --> 00:33:07,410
And then we asked Lori in November to look into a VLCT clarification of who owns the town road when it becomes a trail.

634
00:33:07,410 --> 00:33:19,410
And she got a response from the Vermont AOT that even though National Forest owns on both sides of the trail, it's still a town trail road.

635
00:33:19,410 --> 00:33:21,410
It does not revert to National Forest.

636
00:33:21,410 --> 00:33:27,019
So that was in November of 2022.

637
00:33:27,019 --> 00:33:32,140
And by the time we wanted to start the process, we couldn't get up there because of snow.

638
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:36,849
So that's one of the major delays.

639
00:33:36,849 --> 00:33:40,680
So are we still going to move forward with this?

640
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,680
Yeah, I got up there, no problem.

641
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,680
Yeah.

642
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,680
There's no reason not to do it, correct?

643
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,680
Right.

644
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,680
We can always go backwards if we wanted to.

645
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,680
Right.

646
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,680
Or highway through or something.

647
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,680
I think it takes some liability off the town road.

648
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,680
And it helps your club, simple as that.

649
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,680
That's the whole reason we're talking about this.

650
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,680
And so that trail can connect.

651
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,680
You guys can move forward.

652
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,680
Yes.

653
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,679
Well, doesn't it connect now?

654
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:09,679
No.

655
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:10,679
Because...

656
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,679
Oh, because you want to go up the Trio 7 or something.

657
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,679
You know they have permission to ride on it.

658
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:16,679
Trio 1.

659
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:17,679
Trio 1, yeah.

660
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:18,679
Connector.

661
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:20,679
Yeah, just public use for the connector.

662
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:21,679
Right.

663
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:22,679
Yeah.

664
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,679
If VASA won't shut that down, they can't because it's not theirs.

665
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:30,679
So even though it'll be a VASA connector, we can still drive through to Pondo.

666
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:31,679
Still belongs to the town.

667
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:32,679
Correct.

668
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:33,679
Yep.

669
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:41,809
So if we want to start, if Lori can pull the steps that we have to do to start this

670
00:34:41,809 --> 00:34:42,809
reclassification.

671
00:34:42,809 --> 00:34:50,099
There's certain steps we have to follow, site inspection, meetings, notifications,

672
00:34:50,099 --> 00:34:52,099
all within a certain time scale.

673
00:34:52,099 --> 00:34:53,099
So we can schedule so many days.

674
00:34:53,099 --> 00:34:54,099
Do we need a motion at this point?

675
00:34:54,099 --> 00:34:55,099
No.

676
00:34:55,099 --> 00:34:56,260
Mike made one back in November, October of 22 to begin the process of declassification.

677
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:57,260
Yeah.

678
00:34:57,260 --> 00:34:58,260
That's what I thought.

679
00:34:58,260 --> 00:34:59,260
Yeah.

680
00:34:59,260 --> 00:35:00,260
Okay.

681
00:35:00,260 --> 00:35:01,260
He did.

682
00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:02,260
And I've been there.

683
00:35:02,260 --> 00:35:03,260
I don't need to go visit it again.

684
00:35:03,260 --> 00:35:04,260
I was there last night.

685
00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:05,260
No Jeep?

686
00:35:05,260 --> 00:35:06,260
Yeah, no Jeep.

687
00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:07,260
Good.

688
00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:08,260
Request.

689
00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:09,449
They only have a request.

690
00:35:09,449 --> 00:35:10,449
Okay.

691
00:35:10,449 --> 00:35:11,449
Okay.

692
00:35:11,449 --> 00:35:12,449
Okay.

693
00:35:12,449 --> 00:35:13,449
Okay.

694
00:35:13,449 --> 00:35:14,449
Okay.

695
00:35:14,449 --> 00:35:15,449
Okay.

696
00:35:15,449 --> 00:35:16,449
Okay.

697
00:35:16,449 --> 00:35:17,579
Okay.

698
00:35:17,579 --> 00:35:18,670
Okay.

699
00:35:18,670 --> 00:35:19,670
Okay.

700
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:20,670
Okay.

701
00:35:20,670 --> 00:35:21,670
Okay.

702
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:22,670
Okay.

703
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:29,500
So this year Cooling State has request to building and plow on Class 4 portion of

704
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:32,559
county road.

705
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:36,440
And this is the part that is not plowing winter.

706
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,809
It's above or it's just below Jowitt.

707
00:35:39,809 --> 00:35:42,860
A couple of lots.

708
00:35:42,860 --> 00:35:43,860
Right.

709
00:35:43,860 --> 00:35:45,820
And it's in between the Jowitt lot or on the South.

710
00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:47,460
So it's a good for Class 4 conditions.

711
00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:51,079
Did he not go through the process a few years back?

712
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:53,079
That was Mr. Walters.

713
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:56,940
And he had he signs a form every year and gives us insurance

714
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,059
This is somebody that wants to buy it. We don't have this name. There's a camp there for sale

715
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,760
Yeah, I don't know Java had permission at one time right so it's below down I'm saying that

716
00:36:17,699 --> 00:36:19,699
This is someone this is

717
00:36:19,699 --> 00:36:23,199
A third one. This would be a third one. It's just a little job. It's not right

718
00:36:24,139 --> 00:36:26,219
There's a kid for sale right now on the way

719
00:36:27,940 --> 00:36:30,920
And this is just to make sure it gets bought every time or something

720
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,019
Well, he wants to be able to do it which we that's and that's a easy one because we give permission for that

721
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,579
You have to have your liability and you can what you can follow

722
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:45,199
The building part. I don't see why I can't go back there. You don't restrict that

723
00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:49,940
They'll see you

724
00:36:49,940 --> 00:36:50,440
in

725
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,139
the

726
00:36:57,010 --> 00:37:01,110
Certainly concern me that it's before the other property that were followed past

727
00:37:01,110 --> 00:37:05,730
But if we how often can we keep professionally going down the line doing this, right?

728
00:37:05,730 --> 00:37:08,909
Do we keep going from it out and keep on and people all the way?

729
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:14,489
The whole night the best for a road to where we just reached reclassify the road with class 3 row

730
00:37:14,489 --> 00:37:15,449
Yes, sir

731
00:37:15,449 --> 00:37:17,449
I'm going out one good

732
00:37:17,449 --> 00:37:23,889
They we kind of figure out how we'll get her way to get I mean that's the wrong conversation just about how the town must develop

733
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:30,190
Whether it doesn't doesn't want to develop that conversation along and it's not like there's small wax up there

734
00:37:30,190 --> 00:37:32,570
So it's not like this. I'm going to do your loss

735
00:37:33,969 --> 00:37:35,230
I think I've been saying

736
00:37:35,230 --> 00:37:42,329
It's free. I mean, it's free to roam right now. There's there's no restrictions on building in the core zone maybe five acres

737
00:37:42,329 --> 00:37:42,530
there's no conditional use of it for it's free toola in the house right now there's no restrictions on building in the Portland 85 acres no conditional use on it right now

738
00:37:42,530 --> 00:37:50,500
there's no conditional usage anymore so it's a conversation that probably yes there's there's

739
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:56,340
powerful yeah there's power up to the right up to the top all right just wait for it to go down

740
00:37:56,340 --> 00:38:05,269
yeah so it's yeah that's a huge conversation probably probably there you're going to line

741
00:38:05,269 --> 00:38:09,949
them up yeah that's all i was i was just i guess that was my concern are we just going to keep

742
00:38:09,949 --> 00:38:14,829
stacking bondings all the way up the road it would be smart if they got together and just

743
00:38:14,829 --> 00:38:20,670
didn't come out that's why i was a little confused because you know they're already

744
00:38:20,670 --> 00:38:22,829
following i think that's where jolly's doing it already

745
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:31,869
so they have to plow past where they're currently the other guy across the street yeah

746
00:38:33,849 --> 00:38:39,849
but there is i mean we don't have to give permission it's already there right correct

747
00:38:40,329 --> 00:38:40,889
that's that's

748
00:38:41,769 --> 00:38:46,650
to walters but no i'm not saying if he has that all the criteria it's already there

749
00:38:47,210 --> 00:38:52,730
yes so yes so there's the agreement that you would want to send him and accept him

750
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:58,090
signing yes i mean that that's going to become hugely desirable and for building he has to go

751
00:38:58,090 --> 00:39:06,590
through depth it's flat there's a large source yeah i mean nice people all the sewage and

752
00:39:06,590 --> 00:39:10,670
everything there's one thousand dollars to the other side

753
00:39:11,230 --> 00:39:11,710
a little bit

754
00:39:16,510 --> 00:39:24,239
i'm not saying i'm horror against that thought this is a huge conversation yeah anything else

755
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:33,920
under roads did you start a thing it feels like that you know well that's it that's the thing too

756
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:41,760
with this how long does it take for this process to end so yeah so what is the process we're saying

757
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,079
we're going to follow through the process so i already made the motion a year and a half ago

758
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,039
so the site was it's made is it right so we have to notify all the butters

759
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:58,360
along the way and i don't know how many there might be we have to figure that out site inspection

760
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:04,840
meeting which is a public you go and view it and then you can come back and decide what you want to

761
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:11,159
do trying to get to notify you have to notify the appalachian trail club or something like that

762
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:20,199
yeah you say why don't they own the trail they own the uh mantra right away to the trail long

763
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:25,559
trails that at that cuts right through through there yeah i don't think they went through that

764
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:33,239
property cuts right down the trail it cuts down this risky man so it's not because it

765
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:39,239
crops all the time yeah all county but before but before this piece we're talking about

766
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:41,079
it's not

767
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:45,000
out there so it's not i'm assuming the others in the trail a lot of people all the way out there

768
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,400
well it's just before if you're coming from here it's just before that

769
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:54,039
don't say that it's not affected by it no and we're going past

770
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:58,840
the high tensions it's literally a quality in a different section of the road yeah

771
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:04,679
when you get past attention it goes down and i i'm pretty sure the high tensions the power company

772
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,599
i think you should set a date so that when you get notified

773
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:15,800
via butter that there's a cyclist that has something something yeah yeah doing this once

774
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:22,519
so you gotta think right so that's how long do we have where we have to put post it i'll have to pull

775
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:27,320
the rules and see i'm not sure off the top of my hand we don't do it enough the reason why i'm

776
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,599
saying that the sooner it's done the sooner they can get to nasa and tell them this has been done

777
00:41:34,219 --> 00:41:38,619
it'll be winter too because we just we'll be in the same boat again

778
00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:40,619
if we don't you're right

779
00:41:41,579 --> 00:41:45,099
enough not that i'm trying to be pushing but oh but the snow's gonna fly pretty soon

780
00:41:46,219 --> 00:41:50,699
we can get that does it have to be in order to it we can get this out of the way pretty quick right

781
00:41:50,699 --> 00:41:55,099
right that's what i'm saying we gotta watch what the order i think it's a 30 day i think

782
00:41:56,219 --> 00:41:57,500
follow the checklist yep

783
00:42:00,969 --> 00:42:07,530
get the good description of it how many point three is it exactly point three and

784
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,119
so i have another question though if we this is

785
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:18,760
to reclassify it but does that have to happen for you guys isn't that already a connector

786
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:32,010
it's right now it is it's the language with um that connector that we need to solidify a connector

787
00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:43,309
2301 down to your phone okay um right now i don't think we we have that in there to my knowledge you

788
00:42:43,309 --> 00:42:45,199
what's that a connector i don't think we have that in there to my knowledge you what's that a connector

789
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,840
right not a public connector not a public connector we only did that i think

790
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:57,630
so how will this process help you do that that will solidify if you go down to the legal trail

791
00:42:57,630 --> 00:43:06,829
it will help get um the connector travel 301 down the panel to keep everything up that way and um

792
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:10,909
be able to help us maintain it and get grant money in the future

793
00:43:12,269 --> 00:43:15,309
if we don't either whether it's a legal trailer or a class

794
00:43:15,869 --> 00:43:21,070
matter yeah you want to do it because you want to take the liability off yeah that's how that's

795
00:43:21,070 --> 00:43:25,550
you want to set the legal trail then there's no liability to the town for anything but if you're

796
00:43:25,550 --> 00:43:30,750
working on it you need to notify dave and what's going on too because we have to notify the day

797
00:43:30,750 --> 00:43:36,670
and this board whatever we do up there you guys have to see your backs of people looking at the

798
00:43:36,670 --> 00:43:44,940
law what's that it's third day we're looking at the law to post it or today it says the select

799
00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:49,980
board shall promptly appoint the time and date over examining the premises and hearing the

800
00:43:49,980 --> 00:44:00,170
person's interest and give 30 days notice to the petitioners or first people so when they hit july

801
00:44:16,809 --> 00:44:19,679
calculate it lori and tell us what day

802
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:27,039
before a winner do you want to do it like five o'clock before a select board meeting

803
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:35,440
5 30 or do you want to pick a different day like a monday and just do it so when i'm setting it

804
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:48,039
doesn't matter to me

805
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:58,699
okay

806
00:45:09,820 --> 00:45:14,219
roads the notice has to be certified now yeah that's right

807
00:45:14,219 --> 00:45:17,690
$2.

808
00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:20,400
$8?

809
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,400
Oh, that may be.

810
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,400
I'll try $9.

811
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,400
$9?

812
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,400
I'm sure that the Stanford club will

813
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,400
put a great donation into

814
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,780
something.

815
00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:36,780
Okay, moving on to

816
00:45:36,780 --> 00:45:38,780
recycling.

817
00:45:38,780 --> 00:45:41,320
Is that extortion?

818
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,670
I attended

819
00:45:44,670 --> 00:45:46,670
an alliance meeting last night

820
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:49,880
on Zoom.

821
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,880
The alliance budget has

822
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,880
gone up 4.5%.

823
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,880
It's up to

824
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,880
$224,000

825
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,880
for the combined 13 towns.

826
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:05,440
Lori just got

827
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,440
a check back from

828
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,440
the alliance for

829
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,880
$1,900.

830
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,329
It's

831
00:46:14,329 --> 00:46:16,329
a percentage is returned to each

832
00:46:16,329 --> 00:46:18,329
town

833
00:46:18,329 --> 00:46:20,329
from the household

834
00:46:20,329 --> 00:46:22,329
hazardous waste facility.

835
00:46:22,329 --> 00:46:24,780
Construction,

836
00:46:24,780 --> 00:46:26,780
that we got grants and it came in

837
00:46:26,780 --> 00:46:28,780
cheaper and grants and everything.

838
00:46:28,780 --> 00:46:30,780
So all the towns got refunded

839
00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:32,780
in percentage that

840
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:34,780
whatever they put in.

841
00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:36,780
I think Stanford's only 2 or 3%

842
00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:38,780
that we put in towards the alliance.

843
00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:40,880
And the other thing

844
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,880
is just a note

845
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,880
that they thought was interesting.

846
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,880
I did two of the eclipse glasses.

847
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,880
One group,

848
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,880
and I think it's in Bennington County,

849
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,880
collected $115,000

850
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,880
for the eclipse glasses and

851
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,880
whatever they do to them

852
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,880
and they give them to astronomy groups.

853
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,909
That's nice

854
00:47:00,909 --> 00:47:02,909
because they want to recycle.

855
00:47:02,909 --> 00:47:06,510
That was all

856
00:47:06,510 --> 00:47:08,510
on recycling.

857
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:10,730
And

858
00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:12,730
the other comment I had

859
00:47:12,730 --> 00:47:15,150
was

860
00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:17,150
I haven't seen this myself but

861
00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:19,150
there's

862
00:47:19,150 --> 00:47:21,369
I know Buzz

863
00:47:21,369 --> 00:47:23,369
at recycling center

864
00:47:23,369 --> 00:47:25,369
wipes his dogs and he gives them

865
00:47:25,369 --> 00:47:27,369
to the police.

866
00:47:27,369 --> 00:47:29,369
But we have people that are

867
00:47:29,369 --> 00:47:31,880
letting their dogs loose to go greet Buzz

868
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,880
and running around up there.

869
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,880
So should we say Buzz

870
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,880
keep the dogs in the truck

871
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,880
and don't let them run around

872
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,170
because

873
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:44,460
there was a comment.

874
00:47:44,460 --> 00:47:46,460
It's not really Buzz's fault though.

875
00:47:46,460 --> 00:47:48,460
It's our people. It's our dog owners.

876
00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:50,489
Letting the dogs, well yeah.

877
00:47:50,489 --> 00:47:52,489
So

878
00:47:52,489 --> 00:47:54,489
It's a small town so

879
00:47:54,489 --> 00:47:56,489
No, it is. I know.

880
00:47:56,489 --> 00:47:58,489
Let Buzz

881
00:47:58,489 --> 00:48:00,489
It's not a big deal.

882
00:48:00,489 --> 00:48:02,489
Like you said, if there's a complaint

883
00:48:02,489 --> 00:48:04,489
you're always going to get that one person to complain.

884
00:48:04,489 --> 00:48:06,489
Steve, you know you didn't do a big job on Rob.

885
00:48:06,489 --> 00:48:08,619
Too bad. I don't know if you saw the comment.

886
00:48:08,619 --> 00:48:10,619
But this is

887
00:48:10,619 --> 00:48:12,619
But then you've got people that are afraid of dogs

888
00:48:12,619 --> 00:48:14,619
and we don't

889
00:48:14,619 --> 00:48:16,619
let them on the school property.

890
00:48:16,619 --> 00:48:19,039
Yeah.

891
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:21,039
Just a

892
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:23,039
Well it was in our ordinance.

893
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:25,039
It was a leash law, right?

894
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:27,039
You should be following the

895
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:29,039
There's a leash law and or your dog

896
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:31,039
has to be in control.

897
00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:33,039
And they don't

898
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:35,039
I'm just scared of Buzz from doing that.

899
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,039
I don't know if that's nice

900
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,039
that he does that.

901
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:41,039
Well he could go walk to their truck and give it to them.

902
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:43,039
Yeah.

903
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:46,409
Yes he does.

904
00:48:46,409 --> 00:48:50,489
Anything else on recycling?

905
00:48:50,489 --> 00:48:54,349
Emergency management.

906
00:48:54,349 --> 00:48:56,349
Review and adopt local

907
00:48:56,349 --> 00:48:58,349
emergency management plan.

908
00:48:58,349 --> 00:49:06,519
Lori gave us

909
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:08,519
the older one.

910
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,650
She downloaded one sheet.

911
00:49:10,650 --> 00:49:13,480
I think you sent it to us

912
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,480
or you just sent it to me?

913
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,480
No.

914
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,480
We mainly just updated it, right?

915
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,480
Yeah.

916
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,480
I made a few changes.

917
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,480
I kind of

918
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,480
updated my name for Bill's

919
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,480
and a lot of places.

920
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,480
I added the emergency operations coordinators.

921
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,710
Sheila and

922
00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:35,710
Steve Johnson.

923
00:49:35,710 --> 00:49:37,710
Yeah.

924
00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:39,840
Stuart.

925
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,840
I took some public information

926
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,840
that was in there that

927
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,840
I didn't feel needed to be in there

928
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,840
for residents that might be

929
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,840
needy at times.

930
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,840
But you have them that you can contact

931
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,840
but it's just not a public part of the document.

932
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,840
Yeah.

933
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,840
I added in

934
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,840
the amount

935
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,840
that could be spent.

936
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,840
I believe my

937
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,840
budget is up to $5,000.

938
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,840
Just

939
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,840
so that's one thing that the state

940
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,840
can do.

941
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,840
There was a big

942
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,840
tax that, you know,

943
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,840
who can spend the money and how much

944
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,840
can they spend?

945
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,840
And the way I worded it was

946
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,840
the emergency management director

947
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,090
or the site board chair

948
00:50:26,090 --> 00:50:28,090
or the town highway commissioner.

949
00:50:28,090 --> 00:50:30,349
Just the positions

950
00:50:30,349 --> 00:50:32,599
to spend up to $5,000.

951
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:34,599
I think if we spend any money at all

952
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:36,599
we agree on it

953
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:38,920
before we spend any money.

954
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,920
I don't kind of

955
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,920
have a point on that.

956
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,920
So that's about it.

957
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,920
The whole back of the packet

958
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,920
is all the same.

959
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,280
You had the public information

960
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,280
warning local newspaper radio

961
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,280
with WNAW.

962
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,280
Is that still in effect?

963
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,280
That's Mark Adams.

964
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,280
It's still there.

965
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,360
But I think we're going to do better

966
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,360
with the

967
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,360
or some of the social media sites

968
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,719
I try to monitor them.

969
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,719
And, you know,

970
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,719
respond to these

971
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,719
other people

972
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,719
who are being hurt.

973
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,940
I know that

974
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:24,940
under the primary local shelter

975
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:26,940
we have Randy as the principal

976
00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:29,449
and do we keep him there

977
00:51:29,449 --> 00:51:31,449
until we really know

978
00:51:31,449 --> 00:51:33,449
who the next principal is going to be?

979
00:51:33,449 --> 00:51:35,449
Is that why you didn't respond

980
00:51:35,449 --> 00:51:37,449
to my email?

981
00:51:37,449 --> 00:51:39,449
Could be.

982
00:51:39,449 --> 00:51:42,829
Send an email asking for a do-it.

983
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:46,650
What do you think?

984
00:51:46,650 --> 00:51:48,650
Leave it there because

985
00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:50,650
it's a documented thing

986
00:51:50,650 --> 00:51:52,650
that always comes up.

987
00:51:52,650 --> 00:51:54,650
The purpose of this is we want to get this done so.

988
00:51:54,650 --> 00:51:56,650
Right.

989
00:51:56,650 --> 00:51:58,650
We haven't done it since 2017.

990
00:51:58,650 --> 00:52:00,650
And if it's the principal's

991
00:52:00,650 --> 00:52:02,650
office's phone number

992
00:52:02,650 --> 00:52:04,650
it doesn't matter.

993
00:52:04,650 --> 00:52:06,650
We can always call

994
00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:08,650
the minute there's a change

995
00:52:08,650 --> 00:52:10,650
we can call it out there.

996
00:52:10,650 --> 00:52:12,650
The same with the WSSU

997
00:52:12,650 --> 00:52:15,070
the school district office

998
00:52:15,070 --> 00:52:17,070
Is Rich Christensen

999
00:52:17,070 --> 00:52:19,070
still in contact?

1000
00:52:19,070 --> 00:52:21,070
Somehow he's still involved.

1001
00:52:21,070 --> 00:52:23,070
He's still involved.

1002
00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:27,019
I was wondering about that.

1003
00:52:27,019 --> 00:52:29,150
So I just have a question.

1004
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:31,150
If the emergency is road related

1005
00:52:31,150 --> 00:52:33,150
and roads are washing out

1006
00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:35,150
if they spend

1007
00:52:35,150 --> 00:52:37,150
way more than $5,000

1008
00:52:37,150 --> 00:52:39,150
on the spot

1009
00:52:39,150 --> 00:52:41,949
There's exceptions to it, Laurie.

1010
00:52:41,949 --> 00:52:43,949
Okay.

1011
00:52:43,949 --> 00:52:45,949
When we brought it up

1012
00:52:45,949 --> 00:52:47,949
before the select board

1013
00:52:47,949 --> 00:52:49,949
and talked about

1014
00:52:49,949 --> 00:52:51,949
hand authorization

1015
00:52:51,949 --> 00:52:53,949
for up to $5,000

1016
00:52:53,949 --> 00:52:55,949
for anything he immediately needed

1017
00:52:55,949 --> 00:52:57,949
in an absolute emergency

1018
00:52:57,949 --> 00:52:59,949
there's no limit

1019
00:52:59,949 --> 00:53:01,949
on what he spends

1020
00:53:01,949 --> 00:53:03,949
or what Bob spends

1021
00:53:03,949 --> 00:53:05,949
to protect life and property

1022
00:53:05,949 --> 00:53:07,949
within reason.

1023
00:53:07,949 --> 00:53:09,949
We'll deal with that later.

1024
00:53:09,949 --> 00:53:11,949
You've got to come back and justify it.

1025
00:53:11,949 --> 00:53:13,949
It's like all the rules are suspended

1026
00:53:13,949 --> 00:53:15,949
about going into Brooks

1027
00:53:15,949 --> 00:53:18,329
and the river

1028
00:53:18,329 --> 00:53:20,489
to do what's necessary

1029
00:53:20,489 --> 00:53:22,489
when you got to Irene

1030
00:53:22,489 --> 00:53:24,619
and it was totally out the window.

1031
00:53:24,619 --> 00:53:26,619
There's as much help as you could get

1032
00:53:26,619 --> 00:53:28,650
in as many trucks

1033
00:53:28,650 --> 00:53:30,650
and payloaders and graders

1034
00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:32,650
and whatever else you could get

1035
00:53:32,650 --> 00:53:36,889
to try and control it.

1036
00:53:36,889 --> 00:53:38,889
And the appendix

1037
00:53:38,889 --> 00:53:40,889
A and D

1038
00:53:40,889 --> 00:53:42,889
what are the appendix of

1039
00:53:42,889 --> 00:53:45,400
or is that mentioned?

1040
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,400
That's just

1041
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,400
that other sheet

1042
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,429
with the account

1043
00:53:52,429 --> 00:53:54,429
right?

1044
00:53:54,429 --> 00:53:56,429
Did it go with ours?

1045
00:53:56,429 --> 00:53:58,429
I see it.

1046
00:53:58,429 --> 00:54:01,929
Here's the additional

1047
00:54:01,929 --> 00:54:03,929
form number list.

1048
00:54:03,929 --> 00:54:05,929
Appendix B3

1049
00:54:05,929 --> 00:54:08,440
emergency numbers

1050
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,440
I didn't know if it went

1051
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,440
with our emergency management policy

1052
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,489
or if it was part of the

1053
00:54:16,489 --> 00:54:18,489
I think doing all that

1054
00:54:18,489 --> 00:54:20,489
is going to be more than they really ask them for.

1055
00:54:20,489 --> 00:54:22,489
That's what I think.

1056
00:54:22,489 --> 00:54:24,840
Like you said

1057
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,840
you catch something

1058
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,840
Just on page 12

1059
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,840
to the emergency phone numbers

1060
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,289
that must be an update

1061
00:54:33,289 --> 00:54:35,289
it says updated May 1st, 2023

1062
00:54:35,289 --> 00:54:37,289
because we have new board members.

1063
00:54:37,289 --> 00:54:39,320
Because they're updated now

1064
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,320
right?

1065
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,320
I had Maureen

1066
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,320
Yeah, it's updated

1067
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,320
Right.

1068
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:53,320
Just a general thought

1069
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,320
it looks like we need a new road map

1070
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,320
this thing looks like it was

1071
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,320
being drawn by Bennington Network

1072
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,320
Yeah.

1073
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,320
There you have it.

1074
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,000
And what's all the number systems

1075
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,000
what's the code for it

1076
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,000
basically

1077
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000
Road numbers

1078
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,000
1, 2, 3, yeah

1079
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,000
Just a suggestion

1080
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,000
We need to

1081
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,000
make a motion tonight

1082
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,000
to sign this

1083
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,320
I'll motion

1084
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,320
Second

1085
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,320
Second

1086
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,320
Laura do you have a clean copy?

1087
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,320
No

1088
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,320
Do you want a red one?

1089
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,829
No

1090
00:55:40,829 --> 00:55:42,829
Thank you

1091
00:55:42,829 --> 00:55:44,829
It's 20 years old now

1092
00:55:44,829 --> 00:55:46,829
I think it's even older

1093
00:55:46,829 --> 00:55:48,829
So while we're waiting for this

1094
00:55:48,829 --> 00:55:50,829
Bill, you mentioned this class

1095
00:55:50,829 --> 00:55:52,829
for a slight board of date

1096
00:55:52,829 --> 00:55:55,239
and we talked about it

1097
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,239
getting it here

1098
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,239
How's that going?

1099
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,239
Reach out to Dara Zink

1100
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,239
and I'm sure she will get it

1101
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,239
For the ICS? Yeah for the ICS

1102
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,239
Yeah

1103
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,239
There's

1104
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,239
It's a question that they would like to

1105
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,239
be unified class

1106
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,239
So we can get it done

1107
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,239
Get it done and get the fire chief

1108
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,239
at the same time

1109
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,429
and do all of that

1110
00:56:22,429 --> 00:56:27,440
Thank you

1111
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,139
Anything else on the emergency management?

1112
00:56:30,139 --> 00:56:32,329
Not at this time

1113
00:56:32,329 --> 00:56:34,329
Moving on to turnover delinquent dog

1114
00:56:34,329 --> 00:56:36,329
lists to the dog officer

1115
00:56:36,329 --> 00:56:39,550
Laura gave us a copy

1116
00:56:39,550 --> 00:56:41,550
of the delinquent dog owners

1117
00:56:41,550 --> 00:56:43,550
I guess 2 dogs were licensed tonight

1118
00:56:43,550 --> 00:56:45,550
so you're down to 35 foot 2

1119
00:56:45,550 --> 00:56:47,550
tonight

1120
00:56:47,550 --> 00:56:49,550
35 is our

1121
00:56:49,550 --> 00:56:51,550
average

1122
00:56:51,550 --> 00:56:53,550
Honestly that's really good

1123
00:56:53,550 --> 00:56:55,550
Same people

1124
00:56:55,550 --> 00:56:58,119
Thank you very much

1125
00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:00,119
Thank you

1126
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:02,119
How much do you want to?

1127
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:04,119
I don't know

1128
00:57:04,119 --> 00:57:06,119
Same people from 2 years ago

1129
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:08,119
Let's do it again

1130
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:10,119
So if you turn this

1131
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:12,119
on

1132
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:14,119
I'll turn this over to Luke

1133
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:16,320
and he'll follow through with

1134
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:24,519
tickets and it goes to the court system

1135
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:26,519
Does he give them

1136
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:28,559
Yes he does give them so many days

1137
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,559
to pay the ticket

1138
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:32,719
or just ticket

1139
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:34,719
I think there was

1140
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:36,719
our new ordinance

1141
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:38,719
so you can send out a notice

1142
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:40,940
and find them

1143
00:57:40,940 --> 00:57:42,940
That's right

1144
00:57:42,940 --> 00:58:03,599
And then there's a step before the ticket

1145
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,920
Yep

1146
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,920
She's not

1147
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:22,519
Deb has again requested

1148
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:24,519
a town email address

1149
00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:26,519
for her as

1150
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:28,519
administrative officer

1151
00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:30,519
Last time

1152
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:32,519
last 2 meetings ago

1153
00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:34,519
or 2 weeks ago

1154
00:58:34,519 --> 00:58:36,519
we voted no

1155
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:38,940
because of the expense

1156
00:58:38,940 --> 00:58:41,260
so Deb has come back

1157
00:58:41,260 --> 00:58:43,869
to ask again

1158
00:58:43,869 --> 00:58:45,869
I think it was 2 weeks ago

1159
00:58:45,869 --> 00:58:47,869
No

1160
00:58:47,869 --> 00:58:49,869
It was 2 weeks ago

1161
00:58:49,869 --> 00:58:51,869
And again

1162
00:58:51,869 --> 00:58:53,869
I don't

1163
00:58:53,869 --> 00:58:56,320
care how you guys do it

1164
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,320
It's just my responsibility

1165
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,320
for total accountability

1166
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,320
and if you rely on just my email

1167
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,320
guess what

1168
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,320
I'm not turning over my email

1169
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,320
to the town of Stanford

1170
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,320
So normal I subscribe

1171
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,320
to a Gmail account

1172
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,320
because you end up with

1173
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,320
that same situation

1174
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,320
If it belongs to me

1175
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,320
it belongs to me

1176
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,320
If it belongs to the town

1177
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,320
then you keep it forever

1178
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,320
I don't care one way or another

1179
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,320
if you don't want my cell phone number

1180
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,320
or my personal email

1181
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,320
on a form that

1182
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,889
somebody else in 2 years

1183
00:59:34,889 --> 00:59:36,889
may take over my job

1184
00:59:36,889 --> 00:59:38,889
I want it to be consistent

1185
00:59:38,889 --> 00:59:40,889
I don't understand

1186
00:59:40,889 --> 00:59:42,889
the aversion to zoning administrator

1187
00:59:42,889 --> 00:59:45,119
at Stanford

1188
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:47,119
whatever

1189
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:49,119
and I was confused

1190
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:51,119
that we thought it would

1191
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:53,119
open up a can of worms

1192
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:55,119
when it is the zoning administrator's

1193
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:57,119
responsibility

1194
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,119
to keep accurate records

1195
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,119
that are accessible to everybody

1196
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:03,119
and if it's my book

1197
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:05,469
and my email

1198
01:00:05,469 --> 01:00:07,469
address

1199
01:00:07,469 --> 01:00:10,460
it's not happening

1200
01:00:10,460 --> 01:00:12,650
How would

1201
01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:14,650
somebody contact you

1202
01:00:14,650 --> 01:00:16,650
if

1203
01:00:16,650 --> 01:00:19,230
you don't have an email

1204
01:00:19,230 --> 01:00:21,230
and you don't want your cell phone number

1205
01:00:21,230 --> 01:00:23,230
I don't mind my cell phone

1206
01:00:23,230 --> 01:00:25,230
I don't want it on a public piece of paper

1207
01:00:25,230 --> 01:00:27,230
They call in here

1208
01:00:27,230 --> 01:00:29,230
Lori has permission to get my number

1209
01:00:29,230 --> 01:00:31,230
You don't want it on a form

1210
01:00:31,230 --> 01:00:33,230
So we can take it off the form

1211
01:00:33,230 --> 01:00:35,230
and just keep it the way it is

1212
01:00:35,230 --> 01:00:37,710
What was the cost

1213
01:00:37,710 --> 01:00:39,769
of the extra

1214
01:00:39,769 --> 01:00:41,769
Was there a cost

1215
01:00:41,769 --> 01:00:43,769
I think the main concern

1216
01:00:43,769 --> 01:00:45,769
was everybody wanting

1217
01:00:45,769 --> 01:00:47,769
Right

1218
01:00:47,769 --> 01:00:49,769
That's what we came up with

1219
01:00:49,769 --> 01:00:51,769
But there is no responsibility

1220
01:00:51,769 --> 01:00:53,769
of an individual

1221
01:00:53,769 --> 01:00:55,769
planning commission member

1222
01:00:55,769 --> 01:00:58,000
to keep records

1223
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,000
No but there is for

1224
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,000
Donoffster and

1225
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,000
Exactly

1226
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,000
But they don't have

1227
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,000
Lister

1228
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,000
I'm not a Lister

1229
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,000
No

1230
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,000
But when we were doing

1231
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,000
the hearings it said

1232
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,000
contact Lister

1233
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,000
and it gave your email address

1234
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,000
Just a generic email

1235
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,000
Correct

1236
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,690
So

1237
01:01:27,690 --> 01:01:29,690
we can take that

1238
01:01:29,690 --> 01:01:32,489
phone number off the form

1239
01:01:32,489 --> 01:01:34,619
and so then

1240
01:01:34,619 --> 01:01:36,619
they'll call you

1241
01:01:36,619 --> 01:01:38,619
talk to you

1242
01:01:38,619 --> 01:01:40,619
you say yes, no

1243
01:01:40,619 --> 01:01:42,619
do this, do that, do whatever

1244
01:01:42,619 --> 01:01:44,619
and then you would

1245
01:01:44,619 --> 01:01:47,159
on the form you would say

1246
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:49,159
approved or disapproved

1247
01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:51,159
If you either one

1248
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:53,159
then they have the option

1249
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:55,159
of coming for the board

1250
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:57,159
because they have your notes

1251
01:01:57,159 --> 01:01:59,159
or they have what you wrote down

1252
01:01:59,159 --> 01:02:01,159
on the form so that should be

1253
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:03,159
that's the final decision

1254
01:02:03,159 --> 01:02:05,159
or if it's approved

1255
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:07,159
and a neighbor disputes it

1256
01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:09,159
they can come to the board

1257
01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:11,159
but it's already written down

1258
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:13,900
on the form

1259
01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:15,900
Yeah and again

1260
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:17,900
I have no problem

1261
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:19,900
I have a lot of people

1262
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:21,900
that do contact me by email

1263
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:24,380
I keep the notes

1264
01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:26,380
I don't delete them

1265
01:02:26,380 --> 01:02:28,380
or anything

1266
01:02:28,380 --> 01:02:30,380
but it's not accessible

1267
01:02:30,380 --> 01:02:33,369
to all of you

1268
01:02:33,369 --> 01:02:35,369
and I think Lori most of the time

1269
01:02:35,369 --> 01:02:37,369
for critical things

1270
01:02:37,369 --> 01:02:39,369
I keep you copied

1271
01:02:39,369 --> 01:02:41,369
so Lori has copies

1272
01:02:41,369 --> 01:02:43,369
I don't really like phone calls

1273
01:02:43,369 --> 01:02:45,369
I'd rather email

1274
01:02:45,369 --> 01:02:47,369
Well no

1275
01:02:47,369 --> 01:02:49,369
If there is a phone call

1276
01:02:49,369 --> 01:02:51,369
get back to that sign situation

1277
01:02:51,369 --> 01:02:53,369
Just like Nancy was just saying

1278
01:02:53,369 --> 01:02:55,369
if someone calls you

1279
01:02:55,369 --> 01:02:57,369
and says hey I need to get a permit

1280
01:02:57,369 --> 01:02:59,369
and you say no you don't

1281
01:02:59,369 --> 01:03:01,369
let's just say okay

1282
01:03:01,369 --> 01:03:03,630
I talked to her

1283
01:03:03,630 --> 01:03:05,630
she said no I don't

1284
01:03:05,630 --> 01:03:07,630
that's all right

1285
01:03:07,630 --> 01:03:09,630
now we're back to exactly what we were saying

1286
01:03:09,630 --> 01:03:11,630
No it's not

1287
01:03:11,630 --> 01:03:13,630
because now our form says

1288
01:03:13,630 --> 01:03:15,630
no permit needed

1289
01:03:15,630 --> 01:03:17,630
My answer to everybody that calls

1290
01:03:17,630 --> 01:03:19,630
Get a form

1291
01:03:19,630 --> 01:03:21,630
I had one hiccup

1292
01:03:21,630 --> 01:03:24,239
it was um

1293
01:03:24,239 --> 01:03:26,239
someone that owns A1

1294
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:30,809
He called me

1295
01:03:30,809 --> 01:03:32,809
and he said

1296
01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:34,809
do I need a permit

1297
01:03:34,809 --> 01:03:36,809
for reconstructing this

1298
01:03:36,809 --> 01:03:38,809
and I said well no

1299
01:03:38,809 --> 01:03:40,809
and I called him right back

1300
01:03:40,809 --> 01:03:42,809
and I said look at that

1301
01:03:42,809 --> 01:03:44,809
was this a test

1302
01:03:44,809 --> 01:03:46,809
did you guys put me in

1303
01:03:46,809 --> 01:03:48,809
It's hard because

1304
01:03:48,809 --> 01:03:50,809
it's human nature to say

1305
01:03:50,809 --> 01:03:52,809
don't bother me with that

1306
01:03:52,809 --> 01:03:54,809
you don't need a form

1307
01:03:54,809 --> 01:03:56,809
one of the things I can ask you

1308
01:03:56,809 --> 01:03:59,099
that I wouldn't need a

1309
01:03:59,099 --> 01:04:01,099
do I need a

1310
01:04:01,099 --> 01:04:03,099
to put a garden fence up this high

1311
01:04:03,099 --> 01:04:05,099
no do I need it

1312
01:04:05,099 --> 01:04:07,099
no do I need it for a house acrobat

1313
01:04:07,099 --> 01:04:09,099
no

1314
01:04:09,099 --> 01:04:11,099
get to the point where

1315
01:04:11,099 --> 01:04:13,099
you're going to have a million forms

1316
01:04:13,099 --> 01:04:15,099
that's why I like the emails

1317
01:04:15,099 --> 01:04:17,099
because you can just go

1318
01:04:17,099 --> 01:04:19,099
get the form

1319
01:04:19,099 --> 01:04:21,099
you can sign the form

1320
01:04:21,099 --> 01:04:23,099
I don't mind these emails

1321
01:04:23,099 --> 01:04:25,099
the cost is the cost

1322
01:04:25,099 --> 01:04:27,099
I'm in a position where

1323
01:04:27,099 --> 01:04:29,099
I should probably have an email

1324
01:04:29,099 --> 01:04:31,099
can we designate

1325
01:04:31,099 --> 01:04:33,099
I know she's going to have an email

1326
01:04:33,099 --> 01:04:35,099
can we designate just a single email

1327
01:04:35,099 --> 01:04:37,099
so we don't have to continually

1328
01:04:37,099 --> 01:04:39,099
get a new email for every person

1329
01:04:39,099 --> 01:04:41,099
I don't want my name

1330
01:04:41,099 --> 01:04:43,099
for A0 but you wouldn't want

1331
01:04:43,099 --> 01:04:45,099
a single email for Dave and A0

1332
01:04:45,099 --> 01:04:47,099
or a dog catcher

1333
01:04:47,099 --> 01:04:49,099
all one email

1334
01:04:49,099 --> 01:04:51,159
we're talking about

1335
01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:53,159
getting an email

1336
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:55,159
we really only have

1337
01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:57,159
the head of the department

1338
01:04:57,159 --> 01:04:59,159
that are employees

1339
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:01,159
so like you said

1340
01:05:01,159 --> 01:05:03,159
board members are not employees

1341
01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:05,159
they're appointed

1342
01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:07,159
where she's an employee

1343
01:05:07,159 --> 01:05:09,159
she's got

1344
01:05:09,159 --> 01:05:11,159
but where like

1345
01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:13,159
you've got a landlord member

1346
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:15,769
why would they need an email

1347
01:05:15,769 --> 01:05:17,769
you know where

1348
01:05:17,769 --> 01:05:19,769
Dave

1349
01:05:19,769 --> 01:05:21,769
I know you don't want one but

1350
01:05:21,769 --> 01:05:23,769
Dave it would be good for him to have one

1351
01:05:23,769 --> 01:05:25,769
or whoever wants it

1352
01:05:25,769 --> 01:05:27,769
I know you don't want one

1353
01:05:27,769 --> 01:05:29,769
but I'm saying

1354
01:05:29,769 --> 01:05:31,769
the next year

1355
01:05:31,769 --> 01:05:33,769
we put a new guy in

1356
01:05:33,769 --> 01:05:35,769
because you didn't want an email

1357
01:05:35,769 --> 01:05:37,769
thank you

1358
01:05:37,769 --> 01:05:39,769
I understand

1359
01:05:39,769 --> 01:05:41,769
I do understand

1360
01:05:41,769 --> 01:05:43,769
that's the way

1361
01:05:43,769 --> 01:05:45,769
of the future

1362
01:05:45,769 --> 01:05:47,769
people need to do that

1363
01:05:47,769 --> 01:05:49,769
a lot of people communicate with emails

1364
01:05:49,769 --> 01:05:51,769
I do think that

1365
01:05:51,769 --> 01:05:53,769
it should be copied

1366
01:05:53,769 --> 01:05:55,769
it should be cc'd

1367
01:05:55,769 --> 01:05:57,769
there's nothing

1368
01:05:57,769 --> 01:05:59,769
because she's acting as a town official

1369
01:05:59,769 --> 01:06:01,769
if she says something on this email

1370
01:06:01,769 --> 01:06:03,769
well it's

1371
01:06:03,769 --> 01:06:05,769
we've already been in that situation

1372
01:06:05,769 --> 01:06:07,769
it's more transparency

1373
01:06:07,769 --> 01:06:09,769
it is

1374
01:06:09,769 --> 01:06:11,769
if we have to investigate something

1375
01:06:11,769 --> 01:06:13,769
it's not public

1376
01:06:13,769 --> 01:06:15,769
if you read some of the

1377
01:06:15,769 --> 01:06:17,769
administrators handbook

1378
01:06:17,769 --> 01:06:19,769
everything has to be documented

1379
01:06:19,769 --> 01:06:21,769
everything

1380
01:06:21,769 --> 01:06:23,769
I'm looking at the cost

1381
01:06:23,769 --> 01:06:25,769
so if we

1382
01:06:25,769 --> 01:06:27,769
if this was an onslaught

1383
01:06:27,769 --> 01:06:29,769
of department heads

1384
01:06:29,769 --> 01:06:31,800
would we have Luke

1385
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,030
David

1386
01:06:34,030 --> 01:06:36,030
and that's it right

1387
01:06:36,030 --> 01:06:38,760
who else would we have to worry about

1388
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,760
everyone else is a

1389
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,760
cemetery is elected

1390
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,760
they can do their own thing

1391
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,760
conservation

1392
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,760
they're going through

1393
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,760
there's a board

1394
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,760
she has

1395
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,760
a rule that says

1396
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,760
everything must be in the right

1397
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,760
if you want to talk to the cemetery

1398
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,760
and say yeah

1399
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,760
you want to dig a hole next week

1400
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,760
I'm going to talk to the

1401
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,760
it's not a big deal

1402
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,760
I'm just saying

1403
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,760
I don't see the problem

1404
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,800
if there is a problem

1405
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,800
tell me

1406
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,800
convince me the other way

1407
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,800
I just don't see the problem

1408
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,800
with having an email

1409
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,800
I actually use my personal email

1410
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,800
it's awful what I do

1411
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,800
because I do have a town email

1412
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,800
if I say someone wants to

1413
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,800
take my email

1414
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,989
I'm in trouble

1415
01:07:32,989 --> 01:07:34,989
there's just so much on there

1416
01:07:34,989 --> 01:07:36,989
I have to go back

1417
01:07:36,989 --> 01:07:38,989
and wipe everything out

1418
01:07:38,989 --> 01:07:40,989
and change all my

1419
01:07:40,989 --> 01:07:42,989
passwords and everything

1420
01:07:42,989 --> 01:07:47,000
so I don't have a problem

1421
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,000
again

1422
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,000
it's not just for me

1423
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,179
it's for the physician

1424
01:07:55,179 --> 01:07:57,179
oh yeah

1425
01:07:57,179 --> 01:07:59,179
I agree

1426
01:07:59,179 --> 01:08:01,980
make a motion then

1427
01:08:01,980 --> 01:08:03,980
establish an email

1428
01:08:03,980 --> 01:08:05,980
for the administrative officer

1429
01:08:19,050 --> 01:08:22,520
how are permits coming in

1430
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,520
is there a lot of buildings

1431
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,390
a lot of follow up

1432
01:08:27,390 --> 01:08:29,390
follow through

1433
01:08:36,220 --> 01:08:38,729
anybody building without a form

1434
01:08:38,729 --> 01:08:40,729
I don't know of anybody

1435
01:08:40,729 --> 01:08:42,729
please if you know of anybody

1436
01:08:42,729 --> 01:08:44,729
so that would always be

1437
01:08:44,729 --> 01:08:46,729
the hardest part

1438
01:08:46,729 --> 01:08:48,729
that's always going to be

1439
01:08:48,729 --> 01:08:50,729
a hard thing

1440
01:08:50,729 --> 01:08:54,079
if someone does that

1441
01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:56,079
and you don't turn your neighbor in

1442
01:08:56,079 --> 01:08:58,079
if I build something

1443
01:08:58,079 --> 01:09:00,079
in the back of my house

1444
01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:02,079
nobody is going to see it

1445
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:04,079
so you might go hunting back there

1446
01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:06,079
and go oh jeez

1447
01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:08,079
I wonder if we have a permit

1448
01:09:08,079 --> 01:09:10,079
or you could say

1449
01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:12,079
maybe you already have one

1450
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:14,079
you don't know

1451
01:09:14,079 --> 01:09:16,079
unless you write down

1452
01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:18,079
not everybody knows

1453
01:09:18,079 --> 01:09:20,079
see we didn't put

1454
01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:22,079
we don't have a description

1455
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:24,079
for the AO either

1456
01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:26,079
and say go around once a year

1457
01:09:26,079 --> 01:09:28,079
and look and see

1458
01:09:28,079 --> 01:09:30,079
no there is no job description

1459
01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:32,079
we should have one

1460
01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:34,079
we talked about this many times

1461
01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:36,079
we should get something

1462
01:09:36,079 --> 01:09:38,079
but even at that

1463
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:40,079
you're going to drive around on a road

1464
01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:42,079
you're not going to see

1465
01:09:42,079 --> 01:09:44,079
I mean I know where there's

1466
01:09:44,079 --> 01:09:46,079
camps in the woods

1467
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:48,079
that probably have people

1468
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:50,079
in this room don't know where they are

1469
01:09:50,079 --> 01:09:52,079
and they're not on it

1470
01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:54,079
that's when you get into a situation

1471
01:09:54,079 --> 01:09:56,079
where you need law enforcement

1472
01:09:56,079 --> 01:09:58,079
more and more

1473
01:09:58,079 --> 01:10:00,079
that would be crazy

1474
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:02,079
no I'm not going to do that

1475
01:10:02,079 --> 01:10:04,079
but if somebody brings it

1476
01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:06,079
to my attention

1477
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:08,079
I'm going to go follow up

1478
01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:10,079
but if I get to that person's house

1479
01:10:10,079 --> 01:10:12,079
and it's

1480
01:10:12,079 --> 01:10:14,079
a camp and it's all posted

1481
01:10:14,079 --> 01:10:16,079
I'm not going to

1482
01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:18,079
or if the guy goes out the door

1483
01:10:18,079 --> 01:10:20,079
and says get off my property

1484
01:10:20,079 --> 01:10:22,079
I did the census in 2010

1485
01:10:22,079 --> 01:10:24,079
and let me tell you

1486
01:10:24,079 --> 01:10:26,079
I had a lot of people coming

1487
01:10:26,079 --> 01:10:28,079
to get the blank

1488
01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:30,329
oh yeah

1489
01:10:30,329 --> 01:10:33,710
if I go up their house

1490
01:10:33,710 --> 01:10:35,710
and you didn't know it was me

1491
01:10:35,710 --> 01:10:37,710
well maybe if you did know

1492
01:10:37,710 --> 01:10:39,710
hey

1493
01:10:39,710 --> 01:10:41,710
I'd invite you up

1494
01:10:41,710 --> 01:10:43,710
I don't have past

1495
01:10:43,710 --> 01:10:45,710
I changed

1496
01:10:45,710 --> 01:10:47,710
my life

1497
01:10:47,710 --> 01:10:49,710
pretty much anything

1498
01:10:49,710 --> 01:10:51,710
except bush

1499
01:10:51,710 --> 01:10:53,710
but yeah

1500
01:10:53,710 --> 01:10:55,710
I understand that

1501
01:10:57,710 --> 01:10:59,710
you don't like their social media accounts

1502
01:10:59,710 --> 01:11:01,710
no I don't know that

1503
01:11:05,710 --> 01:11:07,710
I just took a turn

1504
01:11:09,710 --> 01:11:11,739
okay that's it

1505
01:11:11,739 --> 01:11:13,739
I'm alright

1506
01:11:13,739 --> 01:11:15,739
and again I don't want to

1507
01:11:15,739 --> 01:11:17,739
that's fine

1508
01:11:17,739 --> 01:11:19,739
I'll set it up

1509
01:11:19,739 --> 01:11:21,739
and then revise the form

1510
01:11:21,739 --> 01:11:24,060
and take the phone number off the form

1511
01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:26,060
I don't think that's the only way

1512
01:11:26,060 --> 01:11:28,060
that's all you need anyways

1513
01:11:28,060 --> 01:11:30,060
we'll have them set up

1514
01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:32,060
and you'll probably have to come in

1515
01:11:32,060 --> 01:11:34,090
an access it

1516
01:11:34,090 --> 01:11:36,090
you can do everything on your phone

1517
01:11:36,090 --> 01:11:38,090
although I never answered my phone

1518
01:11:38,090 --> 01:11:40,090
I recommend that

1519
01:11:40,090 --> 01:11:42,090
7 days later

1520
01:11:42,090 --> 01:11:44,090
you get it forwarded to your email

1521
01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:45,090
yeah

1522
01:11:45,090 --> 01:11:48,090
So you don't have to keep logging in all the time.

1523
01:11:48,090 --> 01:11:50,090
Right, but it's all in the town.

1524
01:11:50,090 --> 01:11:56,789
Okay, review and accept tax anticipation bid.

1525
01:11:56,789 --> 01:12:00,789
So, I have two bids for your consideration.

1526
01:12:00,789 --> 01:12:05,949
Adams Community Bank offered a rate of 5.25.

1527
01:12:05,949 --> 01:12:11,039
Berkshire Bank offered a rate of 4.60.

1528
01:12:11,039 --> 01:12:21,380
We would borrow it here in June and pay it back in November when taxes are due.

1529
01:12:21,380 --> 01:12:24,989
How much are you anticipating borrowing?

1530
01:12:24,989 --> 01:12:26,989
$300,000.

1531
01:12:26,989 --> 01:12:31,310
What happened to what we were talking about before, borrowing from ourselves?

1532
01:12:31,310 --> 01:12:33,310
How are we going to do that?

1533
01:12:33,310 --> 01:12:36,310
I think that we are going to do that.

1534
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:42,310
But the consolidation of all the accounts isn't happening by June 30th

1535
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:43,310
and I need to let you know that.

1536
01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:45,310
I didn't have enough money to pay the school.

1537
01:12:45,310 --> 01:12:48,310
So, we have a year of the year line.

1538
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:53,310
Right, like I couldn't pull it together in order to have enough money to pay the school.

1539
01:12:53,310 --> 01:12:56,310
Because we did think about that.

1540
01:12:56,310 --> 01:13:01,310
So, order numbers again, 5 and 4.6.

1541
01:13:01,310 --> 01:13:07,569
4.6 and 5.25.

1542
01:13:07,569 --> 01:13:11,569
I'd almost say go with Berkshire.

1543
01:13:11,569 --> 01:13:15,569
Yeah, I've never dealt with Berkshire Bank.

1544
01:13:15,569 --> 01:13:16,569
You've always dealt with Berkshire?

1545
01:13:16,569 --> 01:13:19,569
We've actually gotten loans from each of them.

1546
01:13:19,569 --> 01:13:27,569
Usually it's Berkshire Bank, but Adams has now created a municipal section.

1547
01:13:27,569 --> 01:13:33,199
So, they're trying to call them and ask them if they'll go 4.6.

1548
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:36,199
I was just going to ask if they can do that.

1549
01:13:36,199 --> 01:13:37,199
We have that here.

1550
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:38,199
We want to keep it.

1551
01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:39,199
They've got to do that.

1552
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:41,199
It's not a $1 million statement.

1553
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:42,199
Everything's negotiable.

1554
01:13:42,199 --> 01:13:43,270
Yeah.

1555
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:44,270
Build a wall.

1556
01:13:44,270 --> 01:13:46,479
Yeah.

1557
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,479
They'd be crazy about it.

1558
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:49,479
Crazy hours.

1559
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:50,479
Yeah.

1560
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:51,479
They're not open on a Saturday.

1561
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:52,479
Who's that?

1562
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:53,479
Berkshire Bank.

1563
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:54,479
Yeah.

1564
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:55,479
Bankers.

1565
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,119
Bankers hours.

1566
01:13:57,119 --> 01:13:58,119
Yeah.

1567
01:13:58,119 --> 01:13:59,439
I will call them and see if they will accept it.

1568
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:00,439
Can you authorize someone to sign the note so that the money can be funded since we're

1569
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:01,439
already in junior year?

1570
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:02,439
Make a motion that Nancy signs the note.

1571
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:03,439
Yeah.

1572
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:04,439
Who signed the note?

1573
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:05,439
Yeah.

1574
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:06,439
Yeah.

1575
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:07,439
Yeah.

1576
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:08,439
Yeah.

1577
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:09,890
Yeah.

1578
01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:10,890
Yeah.

1579
01:14:10,890 --> 01:14:11,890
Yeah.

1580
01:14:11,890 --> 01:14:12,890
Yeah.

1581
01:14:12,890 --> 01:14:13,890
Yeah.

1582
01:14:13,890 --> 01:14:14,890
Yeah.

1583
01:14:14,890 --> 01:14:15,890
Yeah.

1584
01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:16,890
Yeah.

1585
01:14:16,890 --> 01:14:17,890
Yeah.

1586
01:14:17,890 --> 01:14:18,890
Yeah.

1587
01:14:18,890 --> 01:14:19,890
All right.

1588
01:14:19,890 --> 01:14:20,890
One more, one more.

1589
01:14:20,890 --> 01:14:21,890
What is your name, which would you like to be?

1590
01:14:21,890 --> 01:14:22,890
Is someone older than me.

1591
01:14:22,890 --> 01:14:23,890
300,000?

1592
01:14:23,890 --> 01:14:24,890
Gee.

1593
01:14:24,890 --> 01:14:26,630
That's a lot of skyweifings.

1594
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:27,630
All right.

1595
01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:28,630
Thank you.

1596
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:30,420
The indoorตle makes contagion complete.

1597
01:14:30,420 --> 01:14:31,420
Ten percent.

1598
01:14:31,420 --> 01:14:32,619
Name so many names you've decided on.

1599
01:14:32,619 --> 01:14:34,079
The Olympic flag day ceremony.

1600
01:14:34,079 --> 01:14:39,420
So, the Bennington Benevolent in Protected Order of Elks every year invites us to their

1601
01:14:39,420 --> 01:14:40,420
flag ceremony.

1602
01:14:40,420 --> 01:14:41,579
When did the other designated audience come through the ceremony?

1603
01:14:41,579 --> 01:14:43,189
In June?

1604
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:44,189
June?

1605
01:14:44,189 --> 01:14:45,189
June?

1606
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:46,189
June 13th?

1607
01:14:46,189 --> 01:14:47,189
In June?

1608
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:48,189
June.

1609
01:14:48,189 --> 01:14:49,189
June 10th.

1610
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:50,189
June 12th.

1611
01:14:50,189 --> 01:15:15,579
flag day ceremony. It takes place in Bennington at the Elks Lodge on Washington Avenue. This year it is Sunday, June 9th. So anybody who would like to go, you can bring your family to the festivities. They'll have a guest speaker. They will also give the town a flag and you can receive the flag when you have them in the town.

1612
01:15:15,579 --> 01:15:26,569
If anybody is interested in going, I would call them and let them know.

1613
01:15:26,569 --> 01:15:28,569
If you are getting to tell Lori, let her know.

1614
01:15:28,569 --> 01:15:30,569
Yeah, June 9th, so it's this weekend.

1615
01:15:30,569 --> 01:15:32,569
It's this Saturday.

1616
01:15:32,569 --> 01:15:34,569
Can't go?

1617
01:15:34,569 --> 01:15:36,859
No.

1618
01:15:36,859 --> 01:15:40,329
Okay.

1619
01:15:40,329 --> 01:15:44,329
Assignment of town's interest in lot 276 Elk & Wall.

1620
01:15:44,329 --> 01:15:52,420
I believe last week we said, yes, we're going to assign our interest in that one.

1621
01:15:52,420 --> 01:15:54,520
That property.

1622
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,520
So yeah, this is lot 276 in Elk & Wall.

1623
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:02,520
The payment has been made to Kevin O'Toole.

1624
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:15,380
So you assign it from us to this person and then this person will just sit on the One Year Redemption.

1625
01:16:15,380 --> 01:16:21,579
Which one is that?

1626
01:16:21,579 --> 01:16:23,579
Charles.

1627
01:16:23,579 --> 01:16:26,890
Charles.

1628
01:16:26,890 --> 01:16:30,460
So I believe that town doesn't have any lots.

1629
01:16:30,460 --> 01:16:32,460
All of the lots.

1630
01:16:32,460 --> 01:16:34,460
So that's two tax sales.

1631
01:16:34,460 --> 01:16:36,850
I think it's one and a half.

1632
01:16:36,850 --> 01:16:38,850
From these two tax sales.

1633
01:16:38,850 --> 01:16:39,850
Oh, from these two.

1634
01:16:39,850 --> 01:16:41,850
Oh yeah, the old ones.

1635
01:16:41,850 --> 01:16:45,850
Any property that's gone up for sale has been smashed up.

1636
01:16:45,850 --> 01:16:46,850
Quick.

1637
01:16:46,850 --> 01:16:51,619
Yep.

1638
01:16:51,619 --> 01:16:57,210
Old business.

1639
01:16:57,210 --> 01:17:05,430
Last week the select board met with the school board and I think it was a very good meeting.

1640
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:09,430
We had a good discussion on ways we can try to reduce the taxes.

1641
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:14,430
Erica will look into the suggestions and get back to us.

1642
01:17:14,430 --> 01:17:21,270
So it's a start.

1643
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:23,909
Seed saver letter.

1644
01:17:23,909 --> 01:17:28,449
Any response from the seed savers?

1645
01:17:28,449 --> 01:17:42,140
Lori sent them a nice letter asking what their intentions were with the buildings and the equipment down at the tennis court.

1646
01:17:42,140 --> 01:17:44,300
No response.

1647
01:17:44,300 --> 01:17:45,300
What's that thing?

1648
01:17:45,300 --> 01:17:46,300
There was a car down there this evening.

1649
01:17:46,300 --> 01:17:56,479
Where they work in here they don't know?

1650
01:17:56,479 --> 01:18:04,109
Oh she's in charge of seed savers now?

1651
01:18:04,109 --> 01:18:06,109
Last I heard, but I don't know.

1652
01:18:06,109 --> 01:18:07,109
Oh.

1653
01:18:07,109 --> 01:18:08,109
I can't say.

1654
01:18:08,109 --> 01:18:10,109
Someone's actually going to do something with it.

1655
01:18:10,109 --> 01:18:14,609
Could you give them a date or a deadline?

1656
01:18:14,609 --> 01:18:16,500
By this meeting?

1657
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:18,500
Get back to us by this meeting.

1658
01:18:18,500 --> 01:18:22,619
Just please let us know.

1659
01:18:22,619 --> 01:18:23,619
Right.

1660
01:18:23,619 --> 01:18:24,619
I don't know if I can look at it.

1661
01:18:24,619 --> 01:18:30,649
If we don't see any movement down there, we should send another letter saying look at it.

1662
01:18:30,649 --> 01:18:31,649
We haven't seen any movement.

1663
01:18:31,649 --> 01:18:32,649
We have total.

1664
01:18:32,649 --> 01:18:35,649
This thing can get back to us in a little bit.

1665
01:18:35,649 --> 01:18:36,649
Deadline.

1666
01:18:36,649 --> 01:18:41,449
We moved the stuff, whatever you want to call it.

1667
01:18:41,449 --> 01:18:43,449
Because we're going to clean that mess up.

1668
01:18:43,449 --> 01:18:47,979
All that cement.

1669
01:18:47,979 --> 01:18:48,979
Yeah.

1670
01:18:48,979 --> 01:18:49,979
Clean it up.

1671
01:18:49,979 --> 01:18:50,979
Do something with it.

1672
01:18:50,979 --> 01:18:52,979
If we can move that building and use it for storage.

1673
01:18:52,979 --> 01:18:53,979
Yeah.

1674
01:18:53,979 --> 01:18:57,979
Use it for storage and ultimately landscape and stuff.

1675
01:18:57,979 --> 01:18:58,979
Yeah.

1676
01:18:58,979 --> 01:18:59,979
Yeah.

1677
01:18:59,979 --> 01:19:02,859
Okay.

1678
01:19:02,859 --> 01:19:05,859
And the lawn did.

1679
01:19:05,859 --> 01:19:06,859
Yeah.

1680
01:19:06,859 --> 01:19:21,489
Part of the bid package, bid specifications that we sent out, we asked to please do initial

1681
01:19:21,489 --> 01:19:26,489
clean up of plow damage at the school, pick up and remove branches and vegetative debris

1682
01:19:26,489 --> 01:19:27,489
prior to first mowing.

1683
01:19:27,489 --> 01:19:28,489
That has not been done.

1684
01:19:28,489 --> 01:19:29,489
Do you agree?

1685
01:19:29,489 --> 01:19:30,489
Yeah.

1686
01:19:30,489 --> 01:19:31,489
It's still out there.

1687
01:19:31,489 --> 01:19:32,489
Okay.

1688
01:19:32,489 --> 01:19:33,489
The big one.

1689
01:19:33,489 --> 01:19:34,489
I always question that.

1690
01:19:34,489 --> 01:19:35,489
It's the insurance.

1691
01:19:35,489 --> 01:19:36,489
Yeah.

1692
01:19:36,489 --> 01:19:37,489
Yeah.

1693
01:19:37,489 --> 01:19:38,489
Yeah.

1694
01:19:38,489 --> 01:19:39,579
Oh yeah.

1695
01:19:39,579 --> 01:19:40,579
Have you reached out and asked for that?

1696
01:19:40,579 --> 01:19:41,579
Yes.

1697
01:19:41,579 --> 01:19:42,579
I have an insurance certificate.

1698
01:19:42,579 --> 01:19:43,579
We do.

1699
01:19:43,579 --> 01:19:44,579
Okay.

1700
01:19:44,579 --> 01:19:47,060
Okay.

1701
01:19:47,060 --> 01:19:53,300
So I should call them and say, are you going to clean up this stuff here in the schoolyard?

1702
01:19:53,300 --> 01:19:59,689
The other question was, at one of the Selectman's meetings, I think we asked you, Dave, do you

1703
01:19:59,689 --> 01:20:01,689
clean up the ditch along there?

1704
01:20:01,689 --> 01:20:04,689
Or did you say you and Mike had to clean up the ditch?

1705
01:20:04,689 --> 01:20:05,689
We dug it out years ago when we first got the excavators in.

1706
01:20:05,689 --> 01:20:06,689
I don't know.

1707
01:20:06,689 --> 01:20:07,689
I believe these are picked up sticks.

1708
01:20:07,689 --> 01:20:08,689
Right.

1709
01:20:08,689 --> 01:20:09,850
No.

1710
01:20:09,850 --> 01:20:10,850
You're right.

1711
01:20:10,850 --> 01:20:11,850
But did you say you were going to clean it out again?

1712
01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:12,850
I guess I didn't text that.

1713
01:20:12,850 --> 01:20:13,850
I didn't have any plans on it.

1714
01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:14,850
Okay.

1715
01:20:14,850 --> 01:20:15,850
Is it all deleted?

1716
01:20:15,850 --> 01:20:16,850
Is it something that we should have done?

1717
01:20:16,850 --> 01:20:17,850
Well, I think you should have cleaned that up, too.

1718
01:20:17,850 --> 01:20:18,850
Well, there's a difference between digging that.

1719
01:20:18,850 --> 01:20:20,199
Not digging.

1720
01:20:20,199 --> 01:20:21,199
The side of that.

1721
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:22,199
Not digging.

1722
01:20:22,199 --> 01:20:23,199
Is it all working?

1723
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:24,199
Right.

1724
01:20:24,199 --> 01:20:25,199
It's picking up sticks.

1725
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:26,420
It's all branches and vegetative debris.

1726
01:20:26,420 --> 01:20:27,420
Well, is he supposed to trim along that thing?

1727
01:20:27,420 --> 01:20:28,420
No.

1728
01:20:28,420 --> 01:20:29,420
No.

1729
01:20:29,420 --> 01:20:30,420
No.

1730
01:20:30,420 --> 01:20:31,420
No.

1731
01:20:31,420 --> 01:20:32,420
No.

1732
01:20:32,420 --> 01:20:33,420
No.

1733
01:20:33,420 --> 01:20:34,420
No.

1734
01:20:34,420 --> 01:20:35,420
No.

1735
01:20:35,420 --> 01:20:36,420
No.

1736
01:20:36,420 --> 01:20:37,420
No.

1737
01:20:37,420 --> 01:20:38,420
No.

1738
01:20:38,420 --> 01:20:39,420
No.

1739
01:20:39,420 --> 01:20:40,420
No.

1740
01:20:40,420 --> 01:20:42,420
You're supposed to trim along that fence line, too.

1741
01:20:42,420 --> 01:20:44,819
If there's something across that fence line, you reach out to him and say, hey, look,

1742
01:20:44,819 --> 01:20:45,819
are you going to do this or not?

1743
01:20:45,819 --> 01:20:46,819
No.

1744
01:20:46,819 --> 01:20:47,819
No.

1745
01:20:47,819 --> 01:20:48,819
You breached a contract.

1746
01:20:48,819 --> 01:20:56,260
If you'm not doing it, you breached a contract So go from there.

1747
01:20:56,260 --> 01:21:01,260
It is what it is.

1748
01:21:01,260 --> 01:21:02,260
He never came up.

1749
01:21:06,260 --> 01:21:07,260
He might he's not even, the guy's singing his songs.

1750
01:21:07,260 --> 01:21:08,260
The guy's doing his job.

1751
01:21:08,260 --> 01:21:09,260
It closed up.

1752
01:21:09,260 --> 01:21:10,260
Maybe his employees aren't doing their job.

1753
01:21:10,260 --> 01:21:10,340
It's not something other guys are doing.

1754
01:21:10,420 --> 01:21:23,649
I will call him and mention that this hasn't been done is he planning to do it if he's not

1755
01:21:23,649 --> 01:21:41,060
then we'll figure out something else any of an old business or new business

1756
01:21:41,060 --> 01:21:56,529
I think I emailed you guys

1757
01:21:56,529 --> 01:22:07,310
the response from VLCC if we wanted to consider going back to elected Lister

1758
01:22:07,310 --> 01:22:12,090
positions the reappraisal was done the hard work is done now it's just a matter

1759
01:22:12,090 --> 01:22:17,340
of the handful of permits that are done every year is it something we want to

1760
01:22:17,340 --> 01:22:22,270
consider going back to doing this in-house the recommendation was if we

1761
01:22:22,270 --> 01:22:26,829
wanted to go back to elected Listers to have a special meeting with a town vote

1762
01:22:26,829 --> 01:22:27,909
saying yes we want to go back to elected Lister

1763
01:22:27,909 --> 01:22:33,189
return to elected Listers and then have that had enough of time so that then

1764
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:38,789
people can fill out paperwork for the March election if you appoint people

1765
01:22:38,789 --> 01:22:43,109
they're supposed to have all of the training and certifications if you elect

1766
01:22:43,109 --> 01:22:49,619
them the state has classes for free and they can learn on the job so it's

1767
01:22:49,619 --> 01:23:00,560
something to think about so we haven't had anyone come forward in five years

1768
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:07,439
at least when we went back when we went to appointment so I know it costs a little

1769
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:14,890
money for a special meeting but right now it's in our best interest to try to

1770
01:23:14,890 --> 01:23:21,800
get someone to run I think it was a it was I think the state's wrong but the

1771
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:26,239
state's the state I don't understand why you can't give training to the same

1772
01:23:26,239 --> 01:23:31,819
person if they're appointed and elected I think that's ridiculous that you can

1773
01:23:31,939 --> 01:23:39,680
tell them I said that but it just doesn't make sense it's that number less that's

1774
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:46,520
the that's the deciding factor for me is you can't get anybody educated on it so

1775
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,819
people want to go to come do it they're not going to spend their money on what's

1776
01:23:49,819 --> 01:23:59,319
your job pay we don't have a 16 dollars an hour and you want to go get all this

1777
01:23:59,319 --> 01:24:02,020
education before they get hurt you know

1778
01:24:02,319 --> 01:24:08,289
it's just I think we should do it I know it's going to cost a little money for

1779
01:24:08,289 --> 01:24:33,970
it but we got it and I think we should bring it back to where it was so the other thought was we had a contract for Nemrek but when grievances are over because Nemrek is the appraisal guy but he's also our assessor when grievances are over there is no contract so we reached out to him to ask about giving us a new contract and it's kind of what do they call it

1780
01:24:33,989 --> 01:24:38,970
on the menu a la carte where you can pick what you want the more services we want

1781
01:24:38,970 --> 01:24:45,090
them to do the more it will cost and the more that like the assessor clerk can do

1782
01:24:45,090 --> 01:24:55,109
here in-house the less it will cost so you guys can pretty much pick and choose the duties you want to hire out

1783
01:24:55,109 --> 01:25:01,109
well we got the biggest audience we've probably ever had does anyone want to be a listener

1784
01:25:01,109 --> 01:25:03,109
come on

1785
01:25:03,109 --> 01:25:05,109
I'm actually

1786
01:25:05,109 --> 01:25:23,720
is there a license or certification hold that position for him for him it's just training I don't think there is any license for the listers right I'm just I'm just curious because that's a lot of money

1787
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,720
what was his what was his bill last time what did we pay last year twenty six thousand

1788
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:35,720
he had all this training I think it was twenty six thousand I'm not saying that a lister could have done what he did this time around but for all

1789
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:52,640
we want to have him be a lister now for $100 an hour thirty five hour whatever if we paid $20 an hour those are savings

1790
01:25:52,640 --> 01:26:03,720
how many permits did you get in the first of the year? ten at most. if you're lucky right and we have a district advisor that have you seen her she's been down here in the year oh maybe not

1791
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:04,319
I've learned her name in the past.

1792
01:26:04,319 --> 01:26:04,779
Thank you.

1793
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:09,579
She gets paid by the state, too, because she covers Stanford.

1794
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:10,579
I haven't seen her yet.

1795
01:26:10,939 --> 01:26:17,939
The one thing you said a while back, Sally, was if you get someone from a town, they understand the town more.

1796
01:26:17,979 --> 01:26:20,899
They understand the houses and the people.

1797
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:22,920
They know where it is.

1798
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,239
These people are coming in here.

1799
01:26:25,300 --> 01:26:26,680
They have no idea what they're doing.

1800
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:30,470
I think it will be beneficial for us.

1801
01:26:30,890 --> 01:26:32,149
I've always said that.

1802
01:26:32,270 --> 01:26:34,149
I'm just trying to get people to do it.

1803
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:35,090
Well, that's the hard part.

1804
01:26:35,109 --> 01:26:39,909
Anybody can do it, because it's not, you know, it's not standard.

1805
01:26:39,909 --> 01:26:46,010
I mean, this is all done in the hours of my staff and someone else.

1806
01:26:46,689 --> 01:26:50,010
There are people that came forward and applied.

1807
01:26:50,350 --> 01:26:51,289
It isn't my fault.

1808
01:26:52,189 --> 01:26:56,470
I'm not saying, you're just saying nobody, it's difficult to get people to come forward.

1809
01:26:56,489 --> 01:26:56,970
There is.

1810
01:26:57,069 --> 01:26:57,930
It's not true.

1811
01:26:58,390 --> 01:27:03,550
We have had people in the past that have come forward, and that's when you decided to go with.

1812
01:27:03,550 --> 01:27:05,189
I think, never.

1813
01:27:05,569 --> 01:27:05,869
Right.

1814
01:27:06,189 --> 01:27:06,409
Yeah.

1815
01:27:07,670 --> 01:27:08,109
Right.

1816
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:08,829
Right.

1817
01:27:08,909 --> 01:27:09,750
They weren't, right.

1818
01:27:09,869 --> 01:27:15,109
Because they wouldn't be, they wouldn't be listed.

1819
01:27:15,109 --> 01:27:17,109
They didn't have the education.

1820
01:27:18,090 --> 01:27:18,270
Right.

1821
01:27:18,649 --> 01:27:21,289
So, in part, you had to hire a company with the education.

1822
01:27:21,329 --> 01:27:22,109
So, if you're elected.

1823
01:27:23,210 --> 01:27:23,390
Right.

1824
01:27:23,569 --> 01:27:25,729
So, I'm the one that pushed them to go the other way.

1825
01:27:26,029 --> 01:27:28,210
Then they will educate you.

1826
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:28,649
Right.

1827
01:27:28,890 --> 01:27:30,470
I pushed it the other way.

1828
01:27:30,649 --> 01:27:31,449
It wasn't elected.

1829
01:27:31,569 --> 01:27:34,069
I thought it was better for us as a board.

1830
01:27:34,189 --> 01:27:35,949
To be able to hire or fire someone.

1831
01:27:36,329 --> 01:27:39,010
Because if you, if you're elected, you're elected for one year.

1832
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:44,510
When you come in, you don't do your job, you get paid, you don't know what you're doing, we can't fire you.

1833
01:27:45,050 --> 01:27:45,529
Three years.

1834
01:27:45,710 --> 01:27:52,109
But now, that we went that way, we can't get the education part of it.

1835
01:27:52,409 --> 01:27:52,710
Okay.

1836
01:27:52,750 --> 01:27:55,420
So, it's a hard move.

1837
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,100
How many hours of education?

1838
01:27:57,100 --> 01:27:58,460
How much is the education?

1839
01:27:58,460 --> 01:28:00,100
There's different levels.

1840
01:28:00,100 --> 01:28:01,979
There's different levels.

1841
01:28:01,979 --> 01:28:02,079
Yeah.

1842
01:28:02,079 --> 01:28:03,300
There's different levels.

1843
01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:03,359
Yeah.

1844
01:28:03,359 --> 01:28:03,420
Yeah.

1845
01:28:03,420 --> 01:28:03,479
Yeah.

1846
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:03,520
Yeah.

1847
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:03,539
Yeah.

1848
01:28:03,539 --> 01:28:03,560
Yeah.

1849
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:03,600
Yeah.

1850
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:03,619
Yeah.

1851
01:28:03,619 --> 01:28:03,720
Yeah.

1852
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:03,800
Yeah.

1853
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:03,840
Yeah.

1854
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:03,920
Yeah.

1855
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:03,960
Yeah.

1856
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:03,979
Yeah.

1857
01:28:03,979 --> 01:28:04,020
Yeah.

1858
01:28:04,020 --> 01:28:04,079
Yeah.

1859
01:28:04,079 --> 01:28:04,119
Yeah.

1860
01:28:04,119 --> 01:28:04,159
Yeah.

1861
01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:04,199
Yeah.

1862
01:28:04,199 --> 01:28:09,159
When we did that move, I didn't know that, I didn't know that part of it, that little

1863
01:28:09,159 --> 01:28:13,300
piece that the state threw in on us, because it just doesn't make sense.

1864
01:28:13,300 --> 01:28:20,560
But now I see that we're not, I mean, I don't even remember why we didn't, if we went, we

1865
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:24,739
didn't recognize that, because we were doing evaluations or, I think they said they couldn't,

1866
01:28:24,739 --> 01:28:26,319
they wouldn't do just one and we're doing two.

1867
01:28:26,319 --> 01:28:27,779
We didn't want to do one and we haven't done one.

1868
01:28:27,779 --> 01:28:28,319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1869
01:28:28,319 --> 01:28:33,500
I think it was something, it was stupid, it was another thing that didn't make sense.

1870
01:28:33,500 --> 01:28:38,859
And there isn't a whole lot of firms out there, I think that's what it was, it wasn't

1871
01:28:38,859 --> 01:28:40,359
both or none or something like that.

1872
01:28:40,359 --> 01:28:44,060
It was sent out 70 or how many, how many positions were there, three?

1873
01:28:44,619 --> 01:28:44,920
Three.

1874
01:28:45,140 --> 01:28:45,260
Three.

1875
01:28:45,500 --> 01:28:45,720
Three.

1876
01:28:46,340 --> 01:28:51,180
And the hard, the hard line is that you can't get a lot of people to do it, because the

1877
01:28:51,180 --> 01:28:52,659
hours just are not there.

1878
01:28:53,359 --> 01:28:53,640
Right.

1879
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:57,439
I mean, if you want me to get 10 hours a week.

1880
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,880
Can you be a lister and nail it?

1881
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:00,880
Yeah.

1882
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,159
You can be a lister and nail it.

1883
01:29:03,159 --> 01:29:03,460
Yeah.

1884
01:29:03,500 --> 01:29:04,739
I don't think that's a conflict.

1885
01:29:04,779 --> 01:29:05,260
I don't know.

1886
01:29:05,260 --> 01:29:05,460
Right.

1887
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:09,800
So, what I'm saying is that she's already put the hours in as they had all and kind

1888
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:11,140
of married each other.

1889
01:29:11,220 --> 01:29:14,279
No, she could be, because this is how we did it before.

1890
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:14,640
Right.

1891
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,340
Because when Ron was on, Ron, Ann, and I.

1892
01:29:17,420 --> 01:29:17,640
Right.

1893
01:29:18,119 --> 01:29:22,439
See, every spring, we rode every time, every row.

1894
01:29:22,619 --> 01:29:22,800
Right.

1895
01:29:22,819 --> 01:29:23,979
See, they don't do that anymore.

1896
01:29:24,060 --> 01:29:25,220
They only go by permits.

1897
01:29:25,319 --> 01:29:28,180
If this person didn't permit, put a permit in and see who it is.

1898
01:29:28,340 --> 01:29:28,640
Right.

1899
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:33,199
But we always went every row, because Ron was the AO.

1900
01:29:33,500 --> 01:29:35,119
He got a hundred bucks every time.

1901
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:36,319
Every time.

1902
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:39,899
Every time he burnt something that was built.

1903
01:29:40,039 --> 01:29:40,220
Right.

1904
01:29:40,220 --> 01:29:42,020
Because you know it's new, you know it's old.

1905
01:29:42,199 --> 01:29:42,439
Yep.

1906
01:29:42,739 --> 01:29:46,180
And I mean, there's just so many advantages of having local.

1907
01:29:47,220 --> 01:29:49,420
Now, the assessor is you.

1908
01:29:50,039 --> 01:29:50,500
No, no.

1909
01:29:50,739 --> 01:29:51,920
Well, who's the assessor right now?

1910
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:52,159
John.

1911
01:29:52,460 --> 01:29:55,979
But if he runs out, we don't have a position for that either?

1912
01:29:56,979 --> 01:29:58,340
We could do that too.

1913
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:00,020
We could have an assessor.

1914
01:30:00,020 --> 01:30:01,100
You'll take that, right?

1915
01:30:03,789 --> 01:30:05,069
We could have an assessor.

1916
01:30:05,090 --> 01:30:05,550
Which is okay.

1917
01:30:07,699 --> 01:30:09,039
That's how you're going to get some money.

1918
01:30:09,159 --> 01:30:09,560
I hate to tell you.

1919
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:09,939
I know.

1920
01:30:10,039 --> 01:30:10,420
That's it.

1921
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:11,220
And then you get some money.

1922
01:30:11,220 --> 01:30:12,579
Well, see, that is the problem.

1923
01:30:12,659 --> 01:30:17,979
The problem is everybody's looking at the almighty dollar instead of the rate for the benefit

1924
01:30:17,979 --> 01:30:19,079
of the town of Stearns.

1925
01:30:19,100 --> 01:30:19,619
Yeah, exactly.

1926
01:30:19,619 --> 01:30:22,739
We are a small town, as I just got through saying.

1927
01:30:22,939 --> 01:30:25,600
You won't even get ten hours a week.

1928
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,260
Who are you going to get?

1929
01:30:27,260 --> 01:30:32,899
You've got to get somebody that doesn't work, you know, that wants something to do for a

1930
01:30:32,899 --> 01:30:33,439
few hours.

1931
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:34,359
Somebody that's...

1932
01:30:34,359 --> 01:30:39,119
On the other hand, you've got five people right in front of you here getting $30 a meeting

1933
01:30:39,119 --> 01:30:41,439
and we're already under minimum wage.

1934
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:45,060
You don't do it for the schedule, the hours, you don't pay, you do it because you like

1935
01:30:45,060 --> 01:30:46,500
numbers and it's a civic duty.

1936
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:48,520
That's exactly what I'm just saying.

1937
01:30:48,779 --> 01:30:50,560
There are people that will get paid.

1938
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,159
That's why I'm still doing it.

1939
01:30:52,199 --> 01:30:53,260
There are people that will get paid.

1940
01:30:53,260 --> 01:30:53,699
For 30 years, exactly.

1941
01:30:53,699 --> 01:30:54,899
There are a few, but there will be some.

1942
01:30:54,899 --> 01:30:57,699
Well, right away, how much am I going to get paid?

1943
01:30:58,279 --> 01:30:59,800
Well, do you want somebody to work there?

1944
01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:00,779
Or do you want somebody to work at the town?

1945
01:31:00,779 --> 01:31:01,420
He's right there.

1946
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:02,720
What do you mean, people want to get paid?

1947
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:03,899
You're not going to get paid nothing.

1948
01:31:04,359 --> 01:31:05,800
You want to be electric, come on down.

1949
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,979
One thing I can say is, you're right.

1950
01:31:09,140 --> 01:31:10,159
Dave's right and you're right.

1951
01:31:10,300 --> 01:31:13,899
You might have someone that goes, hey, I'm going to come down here for the good of the

1952
01:31:13,899 --> 01:31:16,960
town, but you will have more if you did pay good.

1953
01:31:17,079 --> 01:31:17,779
And you're right.

1954
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:18,680
Well, it starts to go...

1955
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:25,220
Let me just tell you, as far as a reappraisal and what you paid per hour, did you get your

1956
01:31:25,220 --> 01:31:26,279
money's worth and everything?

1957
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:27,539
There's your answer.

1958
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,039
Does more money pay?

1959
01:31:29,319 --> 01:31:29,600
No.

1960
01:31:29,859 --> 01:31:31,199
It's not only doing that.

1961
01:31:31,340 --> 01:31:31,899
Case closed.

1962
01:31:31,899 --> 01:31:33,140
This is an opinion now.

1963
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:34,300
Not only do I...

1964
01:31:34,359 --> 01:31:36,020
My opinion is we didn't get our money.

1965
01:31:36,359 --> 01:31:41,340
Do you remember we hired someone before that we got rid of or they quit and we had to pay

1966
01:31:41,340 --> 01:31:42,899
that person and it was all screwed up?

1967
01:31:43,579 --> 01:31:43,800
Yeah.

1968
01:31:44,060 --> 01:31:45,699
So, I agree with you.

1969
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:47,619
That's why I'm saying we should go back.

1970
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,680
It all depends on how people look at it, as I just said.

1971
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:53,699
Some want it for the money, some want it for the money.

1972
01:31:53,699 --> 01:31:54,140
I understand.

1973
01:31:54,699 --> 01:31:56,739
And hey, I like money.

1974
01:31:56,899 --> 01:31:59,460
I'll take some money if you want me to do it, but I'm not going to do that.

1975
01:31:59,460 --> 01:32:03,640
A lot of that doesn't speak where we're having a breakdown in community, too, right?

1976
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:04,199
So...

1977
01:32:04,199 --> 01:32:05,579
If you want to do it for the money, you've got to do it for the money.

1978
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:06,239
Right.

1979
01:32:06,279 --> 01:32:11,640
But then, but if we go to elected and we get no one and people go, geez, my taxes are going

1980
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:15,199
up, well, here's one of the reasons why your taxes are going up.

1981
01:32:15,319 --> 01:32:15,520
Yeah.

1982
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:19,260
We had no head of debt at $20,000 because you're the one who wants to help out.

1983
01:32:19,260 --> 01:32:20,439
I think it was $26,000.

1984
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:22,260
Then you can just say, hey, I don't know what to tell you.

1985
01:32:22,260 --> 01:32:23,199
I can't remember what it was.

1986
01:32:23,399 --> 01:32:24,140
I think it was $26,000.

1987
01:32:24,140 --> 01:32:26,060
So, that's the whole thing, isn't it?

1988
01:32:26,539 --> 01:32:26,560
Yeah.

1989
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:27,279
Let's get rid of it.

1990
01:32:27,279 --> 01:32:33,439
This job is so important to the town, as I say, and so important for our tax rate.

1991
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:33,539
Yeah.

1992
01:32:33,539 --> 01:32:33,600
Yeah.

1993
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:33,659
Yeah.

1994
01:32:33,659 --> 01:32:33,680
Yeah.

1995
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:33,739
Yeah.

1996
01:32:33,739 --> 01:32:37,279
Tax rate and everything, and we can't get anybody to do it.

1997
01:32:37,359 --> 01:32:40,079
They go on everything else, but the taxes are going up.

1998
01:32:40,079 --> 01:32:41,399
I will try.

1999
01:32:41,739 --> 01:32:47,689
So, I'm going to make a motion that we go back to the elected, and if we need to have

2000
01:32:47,689 --> 01:32:51,729
a special meeting, I would like to make a motion that we have a special meeting for

2001
01:32:51,729 --> 01:32:52,050
that.

2002
01:32:52,369 --> 01:32:52,710
Second.

2003
01:32:54,350 --> 01:32:58,010
So, the elected gets trained or the appointed gets trained?

2004
01:32:58,050 --> 01:32:58,909
The elected gets trained.

2005
01:32:59,390 --> 01:33:00,189
The appointed don't.

2006
01:33:00,250 --> 01:33:01,369
We're out of appointed now.

2007
01:33:02,149 --> 01:33:02,470
And no one...

2008
01:33:02,470 --> 01:33:04,470
The appointed will get trained.

2009
01:33:04,470 --> 01:33:08,409
I mean, if it's just the state won't pay for it, right?

2010
01:33:08,409 --> 01:33:08,710
Right.

2011
01:33:08,710 --> 01:33:09,210
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2012
01:33:09,210 --> 01:33:09,649
Right.

2013
01:33:09,649 --> 01:33:09,949
They won't.

2014
01:33:10,289 --> 01:33:13,010
They have to do it themselves, right?

2015
01:33:13,090 --> 01:33:14,449
Well, how much was the training?

2016
01:33:14,789 --> 01:33:15,750
The state will pay.

2017
01:33:16,170 --> 01:33:17,890
The state offers the classes.

2018
01:33:18,189 --> 01:33:20,289
The state does offer the classes.

2019
01:33:20,649 --> 01:33:21,609
How much are the classes?

2020
01:33:21,970 --> 01:33:22,550
Because they know.

2021
01:33:23,050 --> 01:33:24,670
The state will offer for appointed?

2022
01:33:25,229 --> 01:33:25,470
Yeah.

2023
01:33:25,710 --> 01:33:25,909
Yeah.

2024
01:33:26,329 --> 01:33:26,890
You just...

2025
01:33:26,890 --> 01:33:27,029
Yeah.

2026
01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:27,729
Oh.

2027
01:33:28,229 --> 01:33:28,430
No.

2028
01:33:28,770 --> 01:33:29,250
No.

2029
01:33:29,350 --> 01:33:29,569
No.

2030
01:33:29,670 --> 01:33:30,229
Elected.

2031
01:33:30,430 --> 01:33:30,869
Elected.

2032
01:33:30,869 --> 01:33:34,449
Like, Sally's appointed assessor clerk.

2033
01:33:35,109 --> 01:33:35,369
Okay?

2034
01:33:35,909 --> 01:33:37,090
She doesn't do these types of things.

2035
01:33:37,130 --> 01:33:38,090
She just does the clerk stuff.

2036
01:33:38,170 --> 01:33:39,649
But she could go to all the classes.

2037
01:33:40,399 --> 01:33:42,020
And the state will pay for it.

2038
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:44,479
So...

2039
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:45,699
But not with a lister.

2040
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:47,140
But not with...

2041
01:33:47,140 --> 01:33:48,180
They'll pay for listers.

2042
01:33:49,289 --> 01:33:50,829
If they're elected.

2043
01:33:51,630 --> 01:33:55,229
But right now they're appointed and they won't pay for it.

2044
01:33:55,470 --> 01:33:55,869
So you...

2045
01:33:55,869 --> 01:33:57,989
I don't know what the price is.

2046
01:33:58,329 --> 01:34:00,050
But it wouldn't...

2047
01:34:00,050 --> 01:34:06,460
You can't appoint an assessor to do it unless they already have the education.

2048
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:07,479
Right.

2049
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:08,960
That's...

2050
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:09,960
Yes.

2051
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:10,960
That's the bigger...

2052
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:11,960
You can't appoint them without...

2053
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:17,960
So you have to do the elected and then they get the education for free.

2054
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:25,029
Now you can transition and work on getting these people elected and, like, sign some form

2055
01:34:25,029 --> 01:34:30,029
of a contract with Nemerick and keep him here and let the elected officials get...

2056
01:34:30,029 --> 01:34:31,029
So now...

2057
01:34:31,029 --> 01:34:35,029
Now I want to know just the listers, not the assessors.

2058
01:34:35,029 --> 01:34:36,029
Yeah.

2059
01:34:36,029 --> 01:34:38,050
Okay.

2060
01:34:38,050 --> 01:34:41,050
So the lister, if they're appointed...

2061
01:34:41,050 --> 01:34:43,050
We can appoint them right now.

2062
01:34:43,050 --> 01:34:45,149
The lister's appointed.

2063
01:34:45,149 --> 01:34:47,149
The lister is appointed.

2064
01:34:47,149 --> 01:34:48,149
They will...

2065
01:34:48,149 --> 01:34:50,149
The state will not pay for their training.

2066
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:51,149
Is that correct?

2067
01:34:51,149 --> 01:34:53,149
I think they have to have the training in order to be appointed.

2068
01:34:53,149 --> 01:34:54,149
You're looking at it backwards.

2069
01:34:54,149 --> 01:34:56,149
They have to have the training in order to be appointed.

2070
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:57,149
Okay.

2071
01:34:57,149 --> 01:35:00,149
So we can't appoint you unless you have the training.

2072
01:35:00,149 --> 01:35:01,149
There he is.

2073
01:35:01,149 --> 01:35:04,149
But we can elect you without training.

2074
01:35:04,149 --> 01:35:05,149
Correct.

2075
01:35:05,149 --> 01:35:06,180
Gotcha.

2076
01:35:06,180 --> 01:35:07,180
I stand by my motion.

2077
01:35:07,180 --> 01:35:08,180
So we...

2078
01:35:08,180 --> 01:35:09,180
No.

2079
01:35:09,180 --> 01:35:10,180
Okay.

2080
01:35:10,180 --> 01:35:11,180
We have...

2081
01:35:11,180 --> 01:35:12,180
We're going to say we're going for elected listers.

2082
01:35:12,180 --> 01:35:20,010
Now, no one ran, so we want to appoint Marta to be a lister.

2083
01:35:20,010 --> 01:35:21,010
Why can't...

2084
01:35:21,010 --> 01:35:24,010
It's an elected position, and we're...

2085
01:35:24,010 --> 01:35:25,010
You can appoint...

2086
01:35:25,010 --> 01:35:26,010
Yes.

2087
01:35:26,010 --> 01:35:27,010
Yes.

2088
01:35:27,010 --> 01:35:31,010
But so then I don't have the training yet, but then I would have to pay for the training.

2089
01:35:31,010 --> 01:35:32,010
But you're elected.

2090
01:35:32,010 --> 01:35:33,010
But...

2091
01:35:33,010 --> 01:35:34,010
So the state...

2092
01:35:34,010 --> 01:35:35,010
It's an elected position.

2093
01:35:35,010 --> 01:35:36,010
Oh.

2094
01:35:36,010 --> 01:35:37,010
It's an elected position.

2095
01:35:37,010 --> 01:35:39,010
So we can appoint for an open seat.

2096
01:35:39,010 --> 01:35:40,010
It's a strict...

2097
01:35:40,010 --> 01:35:41,010
Like we did with a select...

2098
01:35:41,010 --> 01:35:42,010
We've done that with a select order.

2099
01:35:42,010 --> 01:35:43,010
Gotcha.

2100
01:35:43,010 --> 01:35:44,010
That's what it means.

2101
01:35:44,010 --> 01:35:45,010
So on quits, we can appoint someone.

2102
01:35:45,010 --> 01:35:46,010
Yep.

2103
01:35:46,010 --> 01:35:47,010
For the next election.

2104
01:35:47,010 --> 01:35:48,010
Only if they have the training.

2105
01:35:48,010 --> 01:35:49,010
Until the next election.

2106
01:35:49,010 --> 01:35:50,010
No.

2107
01:35:50,010 --> 01:35:51,010
No.

2108
01:35:51,010 --> 01:35:52,010
No.

2109
01:35:52,010 --> 01:35:53,010
It's not an elected position.

2110
01:35:53,010 --> 01:35:54,010
Then you're...

2111
01:35:54,010 --> 01:35:55,010
They become elected by...

2112
01:35:55,010 --> 01:35:56,010
No one.

2113
01:35:56,010 --> 01:35:57,010
That's true.

2114
01:35:57,010 --> 01:35:58,010
Right.

2115
01:35:58,010 --> 01:35:59,010
Electable seat.

2116
01:35:59,010 --> 01:36:00,010
So we definitely should go for the select...

2117
01:36:00,010 --> 01:36:01,010
That's what we do.

2118
01:36:01,010 --> 01:36:02,010
It's between a lister and an assembly member.

2119
01:36:02,010 --> 01:36:03,010
Yeah.

2120
01:36:03,010 --> 01:36:04,010
Yeah.

2121
01:36:04,010 --> 01:36:05,010
That's what we do.

2122
01:36:05,010 --> 01:36:06,010
That's what we do.

2123
01:36:06,010 --> 01:36:07,010
So we get a lister and an assessor.

2124
01:36:07,010 --> 01:36:08,010
An assessor is hired, a lister is elected.

2125
01:36:08,010 --> 01:36:09,010
Just the...

2126
01:36:09,010 --> 01:36:10,010
Just the...

2127
01:36:10,010 --> 01:36:11,010
The name...

2128
01:36:11,010 --> 01:36:12,010
Just the name.

2129
01:36:12,010 --> 01:36:13,010
But doesn't have the same...

2130
01:36:13,010 --> 01:36:14,010
It's the lister.

2131
01:36:14,010 --> 01:36:15,010
The assessor.

2132
01:36:15,010 --> 01:36:16,010
So we get a lister, elected.

2133
01:36:16,010 --> 01:36:17,010
They can become an assessor.

2134
01:36:17,010 --> 01:36:18,010
They don't need to be.

2135
01:36:18,010 --> 01:36:19,010
They're doing the same...

2136
01:36:19,010 --> 01:36:20,010
After they get all the training.

2137
01:36:20,010 --> 01:36:21,010
Who's that?

2138
01:36:21,010 --> 01:36:22,010
The first commissioner is gonna...

2139
01:36:22,010 --> 01:36:23,010
Who's that?

2140
01:36:23,010 --> 01:36:24,010
Correct.

2141
01:36:24,010 --> 01:36:25,010
That's right.

2142
01:36:25,010 --> 01:36:26,010
What's up, sir?

2143
01:36:26,010 --> 01:36:27,010
Yes.

2144
01:36:27,010 --> 01:36:28,010
I will say the state of the...

2145
01:36:28,010 --> 01:36:29,010
Right.

2146
01:36:29,010 --> 01:36:30,010
The state of the...

2147
01:36:30,010 --> 01:36:31,010
The state of the...

2148
01:36:31,010 --> 01:36:32,010
Yeah.

2149
01:36:32,010 --> 01:36:33,010
The state of the...

2150
01:36:33,010 --> 01:36:34,329
Right.

2151
01:36:34,329 --> 01:36:35,329
Yeah.

2152
01:36:35,329 --> 01:36:36,329
Right.

2153
01:36:36,329 --> 01:36:40,329
Vermont is going to take out all over the next three to four years.

2154
01:36:40,329 --> 01:36:44,329
Oh, there's another D.R. thing.

2155
01:36:44,329 --> 01:36:48,329
There's the other thing. They're taking it out of municipal control.

2156
01:36:48,329 --> 01:36:52,329
Yeah, they're going to do all the great things and they're going to do everything.

2157
01:36:52,329 --> 01:36:56,329
You still want me to repeat my motion? Yes.

2158
01:36:56,329 --> 01:37:00,329
We didn't second it yet, did we? No, I don't care about the second.

2159
01:37:00,329 --> 01:37:04,329
I can get my salary watchman to do it.

2160
01:37:04,329 --> 01:37:08,329
We'll try. We went one way,

2161
01:37:08,329 --> 01:37:12,329
it didn't work. Let's try something else.

2162
01:37:12,329 --> 01:37:16,329
It shouldn't be much because we've done a whole re-appraisal this year.

2163
01:37:16,329 --> 01:37:20,329
The only thing you're going to have next year is the permits. How many do you get?

2164
01:37:20,329 --> 01:37:24,810
Ten? At most? I mean, I don't know.

2165
01:37:24,810 --> 01:37:28,810
I think maybe we might have a record of 12 or 14 permits in one year.

2166
01:37:28,810 --> 01:37:32,810
But I think that would be... Yeah, that would probably be it.

2167
01:37:32,810 --> 01:37:34,810
This is what your local list is.

2168
01:37:34,810 --> 01:37:38,810
I can take you right around right now and show you a few places.

2169
01:37:38,810 --> 01:37:42,810
Stuff's up, but nobody sees it.

2170
01:37:42,810 --> 01:37:47,039
I'm not... I'm not... The building police?

2171
01:37:47,039 --> 01:37:51,359
I'm nobody. I'm only the clerk. Remember that.

2172
01:37:51,359 --> 01:37:55,359
What if you saw a murderer?

2173
01:37:55,359 --> 01:37:59,359
I don't want to be involved. You know what they say?

2174
01:37:59,359 --> 01:38:03,359
Excessive.

2175
01:38:03,359 --> 01:38:05,359
See, that's what's wrong with this country.

2176
01:38:05,359 --> 01:38:07,359
I thought it was if you see something, you say something, right?

2177
01:38:07,359 --> 01:38:09,359
Well, we're all arranged. Nobody says anything.

2178
01:38:09,359 --> 01:38:13,359
Yeah, you don't turn in your friends, right?

2179
01:38:13,359 --> 01:38:17,359
What about the house? Where was that one house up there?

2180
01:38:17,359 --> 01:38:19,359
It was over 93 miles an hour.

2181
01:38:19,359 --> 01:38:23,359
It had trucks going back and forth, and nobody saw a thing.

2182
01:38:23,359 --> 01:38:25,359
Nobody saw a thing.

2183
01:38:25,359 --> 01:38:27,359
That was before my time.

2184
01:38:27,359 --> 01:38:29,359
No, it was not. Yes, it was.

2185
01:38:29,359 --> 01:38:31,359
It was weird, but a lot of fun, because it was over 93.

2186
01:38:31,359 --> 01:38:33,359
93? Do you know what day it is?

2187
01:38:33,359 --> 01:38:35,359
Do you know what day it is?

2188
01:38:35,359 --> 01:38:37,359
I'm talking about last year.

2189
01:38:37,359 --> 01:38:41,359
He had it in for $96,000, and after he did all his work,

2190
01:38:41,359 --> 01:38:43,359
and nobody saw anything going on.

2191
01:38:43,359 --> 01:38:47,359
I'm sure we didn't see the cement trucks coming up and saw nothing.

2192
01:38:47,359 --> 01:38:51,359
And he sold it within a month for almost $500,000. Nobody saw a thing.

2193
01:38:51,359 --> 01:38:53,359
Well, at least he sold it.

2194
01:38:53,359 --> 01:38:55,359
I paid my taxes.

2195
01:38:55,359 --> 01:38:59,359
You know, we were this close to going to the executive.

2196
01:38:59,359 --> 01:39:01,359
We were down to new business.

2197
01:39:01,359 --> 01:39:03,359
Like record time.

2198
01:39:03,359 --> 01:39:07,359
Do we have any meetings coming up, Lori, that you know of?

2199
01:39:07,359 --> 01:39:11,359
Is the school doing any special meetings?

2200
01:39:11,359 --> 01:39:15,680
So, what happened to my motion?

2201
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:17,680
Well, it's still there. She seconded it.

2202
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:19,680
Oh.

2203
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:21,680
You still heard it.

2204
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:23,680
Well, no, Kurt told me it was. He did.

2205
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:25,680
I didn't hear it.

2206
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:31,680
All in favor?

2207
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:33,680
Aye.

2208
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:35,680
All in favor?

2209
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:37,680
Aye.

2210
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:39,869
All in favor?

2211
01:39:39,869 --> 01:39:41,869
Aye.

2212
01:39:41,869 --> 01:39:43,869
So, we'll try to schedule a meeting when it works.

2213
01:39:43,869 --> 01:39:45,869
We have voting on August, what is it, 13th?

2214
01:39:45,869 --> 01:39:48,350
That would be a good time.

2215
01:39:48,350 --> 01:39:50,350
Monday, night before?

2216
01:39:50,350 --> 01:39:52,350
Yep.

2217
01:39:52,350 --> 01:39:54,350
Yes.

2218
01:39:54,350 --> 01:39:56,350
Do you have to put in your paperwork?

2219
01:39:56,350 --> 01:39:58,350
No, because we're not doing the election then, are we?

2220
01:39:58,350 --> 01:40:00,350
This is just for the town to change over.

2221
01:40:00,350 --> 01:40:02,350
Just like an article.

2222
01:40:02,350 --> 01:40:04,380
That ends January.

2223
01:40:04,380 --> 01:40:17,579
meantime we've got to hire somebody to be assessor list or something for 20-25

2224
01:40:17,579 --> 01:40:28,130
grade list as the election will be in March and April for next year so we'll

2225
01:40:28,130 --> 01:40:32,569
have to hire somebody for this year

2226
01:40:37,449 --> 01:40:51,239
Is it possible for us to get the knowledge of what

2227
01:40:51,239 --> 01:40:54,739
the training or be considered course name?

2228
01:40:54,739 --> 01:40:59,710
So when we had that meeting someone could

2229
01:40:59,710 --> 01:41:03,770
say well what would it take maybe they can start getting I know there might be

2230
01:41:03,770 --> 01:41:06,609
someone that says I'll do it on my own and have

2231
01:41:06,609 --> 01:41:07,569
it.

2232
01:41:07,569 --> 01:41:09,529
that can use that for a campaign.

2233
01:41:09,529 --> 01:41:12,289
Isn't there a Lister site that people can go on

2234
01:41:12,289 --> 01:41:15,229
and use it as a stop or something?

2235
01:41:15,229 --> 01:41:16,170
I'm just saying that, you know,

2236
01:41:16,170 --> 01:41:20,689
someone might say, hey, I'd like to do this right away.

2237
01:41:20,689 --> 01:41:22,649
I've done all the training.

2238
01:41:22,649 --> 01:41:24,939
I've done three, four courses.

2239
01:41:24,939 --> 01:41:26,699
So if you're stealing it,

2240
01:41:26,699 --> 01:41:29,939
if someone wanted to be a Lister, they shouldn't run.

2241
01:41:29,939 --> 01:41:32,600
They should just not run, and then you could appoint.

2242
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:33,779
That seat would remain empty

2243
01:41:33,779 --> 01:41:36,680
so that they could then be appointed and get trained.

2244
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:37,680
Am I hearing that right?

2245
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:42,180
Either way, they could go either way, yeah.

2246
01:41:42,180 --> 01:41:45,479
If they ran on a pose anyway, either way.

2247
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:47,180
I think if we get three to run,

2248
01:41:47,180 --> 01:41:49,180
that would be a good thing.

2249
01:41:49,180 --> 01:41:50,020
Three?

2250
01:41:50,020 --> 01:41:53,659
So I'm thinking, I'll take that right now.

2251
01:41:53,659 --> 01:41:55,659
We will get three to run.

2252
01:41:58,060 --> 01:41:58,899
Farewell.

2253
01:41:58,899 --> 01:42:00,039
I might get a free one.

2254
01:42:00,039 --> 01:42:00,880
Are you all stuck?

2255
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:02,020
I'm just saying.

2256
01:42:02,020 --> 01:42:02,859
Dave, you ready?

2257
01:42:02,859 --> 01:42:03,699
Yes, everybody.

2258
01:42:03,699 --> 01:42:05,039
Look at mine, that worked for free.

2259
01:42:05,039 --> 01:42:05,880
Yeah.

2260
01:42:07,939 --> 01:42:10,560
It's not just a job, it's zero dollars a year.

2261
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:11,760
It's an adventure.

2262
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:15,600
So if you're gonna have someone do it now,

2263
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:18,779
would the town be willing to pay for that course then?

2264
01:42:18,779 --> 01:42:21,279
Well, first they have to have a meeting to have that.

2265
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:24,239
No, if we appointed someone,

2266
01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:26,720
they would have to have the training before we appoint them.

2267
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:27,560
So you can't wait.

2268
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:30,659
So would we be willing to pay for someone

2269
01:42:30,659 --> 01:42:32,920
and then you don't come up for appointment?

2270
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:33,760
No.

2271
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:35,260
I don't know, I'm trying to understand it all.

2272
01:42:35,260 --> 01:42:36,100
So I think that-

2273
01:42:36,100 --> 01:42:37,100
Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying.

2274
01:42:37,100 --> 01:42:39,359
I'll explain it to you after the meeting.

2275
01:42:39,359 --> 01:42:42,239
If you're right, the state's making it hard for you to say,

2276
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:43,220
yeah, I'll do it.

2277
01:42:43,220 --> 01:42:45,600
Because they wanna take over this.

2278
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:46,439
Yeah.

2279
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:48,399
Because the town can't really pay for your education

2280
01:42:48,399 --> 01:42:49,640
until you're appointed,

2281
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:52,380
because you might take it and then not,

2282
01:42:52,380 --> 01:42:53,600
doesn't change your mind.

2283
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:54,920
It's like the consulate.

2284
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:55,760
Yeah, right.

2285
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:56,600
It's crazy.

2286
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:58,939
I'm trying to think of an incentive right now.

2287
01:42:58,939 --> 01:43:01,539
So I was gonna write the governor over that other thing,

2288
01:43:01,539 --> 01:43:04,479
so now I got two things I'm gonna write the governor over.

2289
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:05,319
Yeah.

2290
01:43:05,319 --> 01:43:06,720
See, the state already-

2291
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:10,800
The state already has set the school rate.

2292
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,020
So we're out of that.

2293
01:43:12,020 --> 01:43:14,920
They tell you what the grand list and your homestead

2294
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:18,579
and all that for the school rate.

2295
01:43:18,579 --> 01:43:20,779
Yes, we have to reappraise so many years

2296
01:43:20,779 --> 01:43:22,840
because you're out of that certain percentage.

2297
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:27,340
If you're local, the state will set that.

2298
01:43:27,340 --> 01:43:28,579
What else goes through the state?

2299
01:43:28,579 --> 01:43:31,060
And now they wanna force more upon you about everything.

2300
01:43:31,060 --> 01:43:31,899
Yeah.

2301
01:43:31,899 --> 01:43:33,739
Right, they want you to document everything,

2302
01:43:33,739 --> 01:43:36,720
have policies on, office policies, everything else.

2303
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:39,199
It's getting overwhelming.

2304
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:41,319
Same thing what you thought about is,

2305
01:43:41,319 --> 01:43:43,840
it's getting to the point where it's hard to go out on the road

2306
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:45,159
because you're in the office going,

2307
01:43:45,159 --> 01:43:47,079
oh, how do I do this, how do I do this?

2308
01:43:47,079 --> 01:43:49,039
It's, they just keep-

2309
01:43:49,039 --> 01:43:51,960
The state is going to take care of what they've done

2310
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,340
with the school, but for the supervisor, you know.

2311
01:43:54,340 --> 01:43:56,399
It chips away at the small town feel.

2312
01:43:56,399 --> 01:43:57,239
Yes, you're correct.

2313
01:43:57,239 --> 01:43:58,079
Little by little.

2314
01:43:58,079 --> 01:43:58,920
Yeah, I mean, you go-

2315
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:00,119
It's still rural when you live in Massachusetts.

2316
01:44:00,119 --> 01:44:02,920
Go down to Massachusetts and try to put a business in.

2317
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:05,399
You can't even sneeze down there, it's awful.

2318
01:44:05,399 --> 01:44:06,619
Yeah. Yeah.

2319
01:44:06,619 --> 01:44:10,020
California is the worst, they have restrictions.

2320
01:44:10,020 --> 01:44:14,399
You can't even have a truck that's older than, what, 2,000?

2321
01:44:14,399 --> 01:44:16,859
Go ahead.

2322
01:44:16,859 --> 01:44:17,939
Laura?

2323
01:44:17,939 --> 01:44:19,239
The Lister and the Assessor-

2324
01:44:19,239 --> 01:44:20,300
The Lister and the Assessor-

2325
01:44:20,300 --> 01:44:23,399
The Lister and the Assessor is online.

2326
01:44:23,399 --> 01:44:26,479
It also provides a number of offers, tutorials,

2327
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:29,439
and some webinars or seminars on there.

2328
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:30,279
It's all on there.

2329
01:44:30,279 --> 01:44:31,640
So there's, yeah, it's all on there.

2330
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:34,119
I mean, there's numbers to call.

2331
01:44:34,119 --> 01:44:34,960
Yep.

2332
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:36,640
It gives you the job description,

2333
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:37,479
everything.

2334
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:38,720
Yep.

2335
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:41,380
Product times, these are what you should be doing.

2336
01:44:41,380 --> 01:44:42,220
Okay.

2337
01:44:42,220 --> 01:44:43,670
Okay.

2338
01:44:43,670 --> 01:44:46,579
Um, that's it with the whole business.

2339
01:44:46,579 --> 01:44:48,000
I think we're on new.

2340
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,020
What else is new?

2341
01:44:50,020 --> 01:44:51,239
John, you wanted to bring something up.

2342
01:44:51,239 --> 01:44:57,119
I would like to ask or apply for a motion

2343
01:44:57,119 --> 01:44:59,420
to apply for a permit for the town sign

2344
01:45:00,579 --> 01:45:03,979
based on the current zoning bylaws.

2345
01:45:03,979 --> 01:45:07,060
Apply for a permit and maybe get some numbers

2346
01:45:07,060 --> 01:45:08,970
on what it would cost.

2347
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:10,270
Yeah.

2348
01:45:10,270 --> 01:45:16,420
Well, that's how I was going to write off the bat.

2349
01:45:16,420 --> 01:45:21,250
One of the, I'm trying to think which committee it was.

2350
01:45:21,250 --> 01:45:25,909
The zoning committee, one of the people on that said,

2351
01:45:25,909 --> 01:45:30,369
no one ever tried to compromise on that sign

2352
01:45:30,369 --> 01:45:31,869
and come up with different ideas.

2353
01:45:31,869 --> 01:45:33,949
It was either this or nothing.

2354
01:45:33,949 --> 01:45:38,600
And I would like to, and I'm not saying we have to,

2355
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:39,199
but if we brought the old sign back, I would like to, and I'm not saying we have to, but if we brought the old sign back,

2356
01:45:39,199 --> 01:45:40,199
I would like to, and I'm not saying we have to, but if we brought the old sign back,

2357
01:45:40,199 --> 01:45:43,840
it was approved, and I don't know if it would be or not,

2358
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:51,189
but I'd like to, before we spend money on a new sign,

2359
01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:54,850
look at that sign and say, is it in good shape?

2360
01:45:54,850 --> 01:45:56,729
Is it worth using that sign?

2361
01:45:56,729 --> 01:45:58,949
Because I agree with you, and I thought it wasn't,

2362
01:45:58,949 --> 01:46:00,390
and we didn't talk about that sign again.

2363
01:46:00,390 --> 01:46:02,850
Yeah, I don't really want to bring it up either,

2364
01:46:02,850 --> 01:46:07,229
but I'm not, I don't want to incur any cost on the town.

2365
01:46:07,229 --> 01:46:09,189
I more or less feel like the town needs a sign,

2366
01:46:09,189 --> 01:46:13,189
a school needs a sign, and it should follow the bylaws.

2367
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:17,350
Right, I agree, and what we have out there now is a joke.

2368
01:46:17,350 --> 01:46:20,390
The old sign was too big.

2369
01:46:20,390 --> 01:46:24,689
We now have two old signs, which old sign are we talking about?

2370
01:46:24,689 --> 01:46:30,189
Well, why can't we ask the zoning commission for a grandfiler

2371
01:46:30,189 --> 01:46:33,029
that was there before, why can't we just put it back?

2372
01:46:33,029 --> 01:46:34,489
Because you can't do that.

2373
01:46:34,489 --> 01:46:35,189
I don't know.

2374
01:46:35,189 --> 01:46:37,489
Our current zoning bylaws, because then...

2375
01:46:37,489 --> 01:46:38,189
I don't know.

2376
01:46:38,189 --> 01:46:39,189
.

2377
01:46:39,189 --> 01:46:40,189
The old sign was too big.

2378
01:46:40,189 --> 01:46:42,189
The old sign was too big and too close to the ground.

2379
01:46:42,189 --> 01:46:44,189
So we're talking about the original sign,

2380
01:46:44,189 --> 01:46:46,189
with the original sign hanging on it?

2381
01:46:46,189 --> 01:46:48,189
Yeah, got a question?

2382
01:46:48,189 --> 01:46:51,189
But if we go back to what we've all discussed,

2383
01:46:51,189 --> 01:46:54,760
was to have the planning commission talk about it,

2384
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:57,760
discuss it, to have an exemption for the town.

2385
01:46:57,760 --> 01:46:58,760
Right.

2386
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:01,760
Isn't that something that if you guys do, just say,

2387
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:03,760
hey, if the planning commission do that,

2388
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:06,760
wouldn't that be the best next step, and then...

2389
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:08,760
But it's not in your bylaws.

2390
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:09,760
.

2391
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:11,760
Isn't that changing it?

2392
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:12,760
.

2393
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:13,760
.

2394
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:14,760
.

2395
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:15,760
.

2396
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:16,760
.

2397
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:17,760
.

2398
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:18,760
.

2399
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:19,760
.

2400
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:20,760
.

2401
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:21,760
.

2402
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:22,760
.

2403
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:23,760
.

2404
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:24,920
.

2405
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:25,920
.

2406
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:26,920
.

2407
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:27,920
.

2408
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:28,920
.

2409
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:29,920
.

2410
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:30,920
.

2411
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:31,920
.

2412
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:32,920
.

2413
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:33,920
.

2414
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:35,020
.

2415
01:47:35,020 --> 01:47:37,020
.

2416
01:47:37,020 --> 01:47:38,020
.

2417
01:47:38,020 --> 01:47:39,020
.

2418
01:47:39,020 --> 01:47:40,020
.

2419
01:47:40,020 --> 01:47:41,020
.

2420
01:47:41,020 --> 01:47:42,020
.

2421
01:47:42,020 --> 01:47:43,020
.

2422
01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:44,020
.

2423
01:47:44,020 --> 01:47:45,020
.

2424
01:47:45,020 --> 01:47:46,020
.

2425
01:47:46,020 --> 01:47:47,020
.

2426
01:47:47,020 --> 01:47:48,020
.

2427
01:47:48,020 --> 01:47:49,020
.

2428
01:47:49,020 --> 01:47:50,020
.

2429
01:47:50,020 --> 01:47:51,020
.

2430
01:47:51,020 --> 01:47:52,020
.

2431
01:47:52,020 --> 01:47:53,020
.

2432
01:47:53,020 --> 01:47:54,020
.

2433
01:47:54,020 --> 01:47:55,020
.

2434
01:47:55,020 --> 01:47:56,020
.

2435
01:47:56,020 --> 01:47:57,020
.

2436
01:47:57,020 --> 01:47:58,020
.

2437
01:47:58,020 --> 01:47:59,020
.

2438
01:47:59,020 --> 01:48:00,020
.

2439
01:48:00,020 --> 01:48:01,020
.

2440
01:48:01,020 --> 01:48:02,020
.

2441
01:48:02,020 --> 01:48:03,020
.

2442
01:48:03,020 --> 01:48:04,020
.

2443
01:48:04,020 --> 01:48:05,020
.

2444
01:48:05,020 --> 01:48:06,020
.

2445
01:48:06,020 --> 01:48:07,020
.

2446
01:48:07,020 --> 01:48:15,020
That's what I'm saying. Think about it. Can we do that?

2447
01:48:15,020 --> 01:48:21,020
As long as it's facing the right way.

2448
01:48:31,020 --> 01:48:35,020
Okay. This was mentioned before. If you take

2449
01:48:35,020 --> 01:48:39,020
Vermont off, it fits in the bylaws.

2450
01:48:39,020 --> 01:48:43,020
Which sign are we talking about? The old one.

2451
01:48:43,020 --> 01:48:47,020
I don't think it's a good idea at all to go back to the original sign. Why?

2452
01:48:47,020 --> 01:48:51,020
Because that's going to create a huge animosity in town.

2453
01:48:51,020 --> 01:48:55,020
We're beating a dead horse. You have the purpose.

2454
01:48:55,020 --> 01:48:59,020
It's not a good idea. You have the town. Because you're proving a point that half the

2455
01:48:59,020 --> 01:49:03,020
people made in town that it's all a vendetta. It's all about

2456
01:49:03,020 --> 01:49:05,020
personalities and we're now back to land.

2457
01:49:05,020 --> 01:49:07,020
It's a terrible idea.

2458
01:49:07,020 --> 01:49:09,020
It's too close to the road.

2459
01:49:09,020 --> 01:49:11,020
It's a terrible idea. So we're on the sign.

2460
01:49:11,020 --> 01:49:13,020
That could be it.

2461
01:49:13,020 --> 01:49:15,020
The joint board could say

2462
01:49:15,020 --> 01:49:17,020
they could give permission for that.

2463
01:49:17,020 --> 01:49:19,020
They could do that.

2464
01:49:19,020 --> 01:49:21,020
You have to amend the bylaws.

2465
01:49:21,020 --> 01:49:23,020
No, you wouldn't have to amend the bylaws.

2466
01:49:23,020 --> 01:49:25,020
There's only one violation, right?

2467
01:49:25,020 --> 01:49:29,020
The sign has multiple violations.

2468
01:49:29,020 --> 01:49:31,020
They could give a variance for one violation.

2469
01:49:31,020 --> 01:49:33,020
They could.

2470
01:49:33,020 --> 01:49:35,020
I think they would have to do it.

2471
01:49:35,020 --> 01:49:37,020
I think both.

2472
01:49:37,020 --> 01:49:39,020
I don't know.

2473
01:49:39,020 --> 01:49:41,020
This is untrue.

2474
01:49:41,020 --> 01:49:43,020
Jeff has a question.

2475
01:49:43,020 --> 01:49:45,020
There was only one violation.

2476
01:49:45,020 --> 01:49:49,020
I tell you, I don't want to be a smart ass, but if we put it on wheels,

2477
01:49:49,020 --> 01:49:51,020
is it movable?

2478
01:49:51,020 --> 01:49:55,020
And will it fit within the bylaws?

2479
01:49:55,020 --> 01:49:57,020
I don't want to be a smart ass. I'm just saying that

2480
01:49:57,020 --> 01:49:59,020
if it's Henry or John,

2481
01:49:59,020 --> 01:50:03,020
100% that this town needs a sign.

2482
01:50:03,020 --> 01:50:05,020
I didn't want to talk about this anymore because

2483
01:50:05,020 --> 01:50:07,020
it's been two years.

2484
01:50:07,020 --> 01:50:09,020
It's just getting out of hand.

2485
01:50:09,020 --> 01:50:11,020
I'm now pissed

2486
01:50:11,020 --> 01:50:13,020
because

2487
01:50:13,020 --> 01:50:15,020
we need a sign

2488
01:50:15,020 --> 01:50:17,020
and that's all we got.

2489
01:50:17,020 --> 01:50:19,020
You're right. You're not going to win

2490
01:50:19,020 --> 01:50:21,020
and you're not going to win.

2491
01:50:21,020 --> 01:50:23,020
We're going to put a new sign up

2492
01:50:23,020 --> 01:50:25,020
and we're all going to agree on it.

2493
01:50:25,020 --> 01:50:27,020
My point is

2494
01:50:27,020 --> 01:50:29,020
my point would be

2495
01:50:29,020 --> 01:50:31,020
what can we get away with with the bylaws?

2496
01:50:31,020 --> 01:50:33,020
And if we can,

2497
01:50:33,020 --> 01:50:35,020
I do remember

2498
01:50:35,020 --> 01:50:37,020
them saying that

2499
01:50:37,020 --> 01:50:39,020
if every other thing was in place

2500
01:50:39,020 --> 01:50:41,020
we could have a variance

2501
01:50:41,020 --> 01:50:43,020
and that's the only place you can put it.

2502
01:50:43,020 --> 01:50:45,020
Or if we have to put it back farther

2503
01:50:45,020 --> 01:50:47,020
and we can,

2504
01:50:47,020 --> 01:50:49,020
we might not be able to do it because of the law,

2505
01:50:49,020 --> 01:50:51,149
but that would be a reason why we can.

2506
01:50:51,149 --> 01:50:53,149
But if we can do that, let's do it.

2507
01:50:59,310 --> 01:51:01,310
If we can't do that,

2508
01:51:01,310 --> 01:51:03,310
go into the bylaws

2509
01:51:03,310 --> 01:51:05,310
and change your bylaws.

2510
01:51:05,310 --> 01:51:07,310
Why is that law?

2511
01:51:07,310 --> 01:51:09,310
I don't have it with me right now.

2512
01:51:09,310 --> 01:51:11,310
But it is a mistake that municipalities are exempt.

2513
01:51:11,310 --> 01:51:13,310
Just put that

2514
01:51:13,310 --> 01:51:15,310
state law in our bylaws.

2515
01:51:15,310 --> 01:51:17,310
What happened was

2516
01:51:17,310 --> 01:51:19,310
our bylaws are too restrictive.

2517
01:51:19,310 --> 01:51:21,310
We just need to open it up.

2518
01:51:21,310 --> 01:51:23,310
I totally agree.

2519
01:51:23,310 --> 01:51:25,310
I think the town should be exempt from things like that.

2520
01:51:25,310 --> 01:51:27,310
If anyone says, well, we can't do it on our own yard

2521
01:51:27,310 --> 01:51:29,310
but you do it with municipalities,

2522
01:51:29,310 --> 01:51:31,310
you're right. We can.

2523
01:51:31,310 --> 01:51:33,310
Just as simple as that. We can.

2524
01:51:33,310 --> 01:51:35,310
Just like we can do things on a road

2525
01:51:35,310 --> 01:51:37,310
but we can't do it.

2526
01:51:37,310 --> 01:51:39,310
I mean, we're elected to do certain things.

2527
01:51:39,310 --> 01:51:41,310
That's what we're doing.

2528
01:51:41,310 --> 01:51:43,310
I think if we're working on a third sign,

2529
01:51:43,310 --> 01:51:45,310
I think we should go like

2530
01:51:45,310 --> 01:51:47,310
Larchburg did with the electronic sign.

2531
01:51:47,310 --> 01:51:49,310
Oh, I don't like that.

2532
01:51:49,310 --> 01:51:51,310
You can say everything you want

2533
01:51:51,310 --> 01:51:53,310
and it only stays in this little pattern.

2534
01:51:53,310 --> 01:51:55,310
Oh, no, I don't like that.

2535
01:51:55,310 --> 01:51:57,310
I hate that sign.

2536
01:51:57,310 --> 01:51:59,310
The people have spoken, Jack.

2537
01:51:59,310 --> 01:52:01,310
The youngest person in the room, Jack.

2538
01:52:01,310 --> 01:52:03,310
Sorry.

2539
01:52:03,310 --> 01:52:05,310
No, but that's our opinion.

2540
01:52:05,310 --> 01:52:07,310
I totally agree that the town needs a sign.

2541
01:52:07,310 --> 01:52:09,310
Basically, to sum up what I'm saying is

2542
01:52:09,310 --> 01:52:11,310
as far as we can get back to any sense of community in here,

2543
01:52:11,310 --> 01:52:13,310
we're beyond both of those signs.

2544
01:52:13,310 --> 01:52:15,310
It's over for one.

2545
01:52:15,310 --> 01:52:17,310
We need to go on to a different sign.

2546
01:52:17,310 --> 01:52:19,310
That's it.

2547
01:52:19,310 --> 01:52:21,310
So now my question would be,

2548
01:52:21,310 --> 01:52:23,310
I don't know if you know this off the top of your head,

2549
01:52:23,310 --> 01:52:25,310
how big can you have a sign?

2550
01:52:25,310 --> 01:52:27,310
12 square feet.

2551
01:52:27,310 --> 01:52:29,310
We need a byline.

2552
01:52:29,310 --> 01:52:31,310
2 by 6.

2553
01:52:31,310 --> 01:52:33,310
2 by 6, 3 by 4.

2554
01:52:33,310 --> 01:52:35,310
Yeah.

2555
01:52:35,310 --> 01:52:37,310
It's not much bigger than that picture.

2556
01:52:37,310 --> 01:52:39,369
How many signs can you have?

2557
01:52:39,369 --> 01:52:41,369
How many signs can you have?

2558
01:52:41,369 --> 01:52:43,369
Well, that's what I was going to say.

2559
01:52:43,369 --> 01:52:45,369
Well, that's what I was going to say.

2560
01:52:45,369 --> 01:52:47,369
I can't believe it.

2561
01:52:47,369 --> 01:52:49,369
Do you like being in a room full of signs?

2562
01:52:49,369 --> 01:52:51,369
Do you like being in a room full of signs?

2563
01:52:51,369 --> 01:52:53,369
We put B-E-R-O.

2564
01:52:53,369 --> 01:52:55,369
We put B-E-R-O.

2565
01:52:55,369 --> 01:52:57,369
I can't spell the whole thing.

2566
01:52:57,369 --> 01:52:59,369
I can't spell the whole thing.

2567
01:52:59,369 --> 01:53:01,369
I can't spell the whole thing.

2568
01:53:01,369 --> 01:53:03,369
We can.

2569
01:53:03,369 --> 01:53:05,369
2 by 6.

2570
01:53:05,369 --> 01:53:07,369
2 by 6.

2571
01:53:07,369 --> 01:53:09,720
And then you can have school, town office, library.

2572
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:11,720
And then you can have school, town office, library.

2573
01:53:11,720 --> 01:53:13,720
We need that.

2574
01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:15,720
You might have different posts for each one.

2575
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:17,720
But it can't be done.

2576
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:20,140
I don't know.

2577
01:53:20,140 --> 01:53:22,140
I'm happy to lie down now.

2578
01:53:22,140 --> 01:53:24,140
And I'm not asking you to get, like,

2579
01:53:24,140 --> 01:53:26,140
for a permit or anything.

2580
01:53:26,140 --> 01:53:28,140
You don't have to put this right.

2581
01:53:28,140 --> 01:53:30,140
This is all recorded and everything.

2582
01:53:30,140 --> 01:53:32,140
I'm saying, if we think outside the box,

2583
01:53:32,140 --> 01:53:34,140
I'm saying, if we think outside the box,

2584
01:53:34,140 --> 01:53:36,140
it is ridiculous that we don't have signs.

2585
01:53:36,140 --> 01:53:38,140
Ridiculous.

2586
01:53:38,140 --> 01:53:40,140
Right?

2587
01:53:40,140 --> 01:53:42,140
We need to have a sign. Period.

2588
01:53:42,140 --> 01:53:44,140
I mean, when you go by

2589
01:53:44,140 --> 01:53:46,140
and they have a kindergarten

2590
01:53:46,140 --> 01:53:48,140
to put out the signs,

2591
01:53:48,140 --> 01:53:50,140
I just feel bad for, like, day 3 class

2592
01:53:50,140 --> 01:53:52,140
or graduating, and they wanted to go out there

2593
01:53:52,140 --> 01:53:54,140
and have a nice picture with a sign.

2594
01:53:54,140 --> 01:53:56,140
There's nothing for them.

2595
01:53:56,140 --> 01:53:58,140
There's nothing for them.

2596
01:53:58,140 --> 01:54:00,140
You can't go bring the sign down

2597
01:54:00,140 --> 01:54:02,140
and put it up over the ground.

2598
01:54:02,140 --> 01:54:04,140
Can we get a big rock there

2599
01:54:04,140 --> 01:54:06,140
and then we just label it?

2600
01:54:06,140 --> 01:54:08,140
I was saying, we should have kept

2601
01:54:08,140 --> 01:54:10,140
the old counter up when we got rid of it.

2602
01:54:10,140 --> 01:54:12,140
Or an old grater. We could have put it

2603
01:54:12,140 --> 01:54:14,140
on the other side of the grater.

2604
01:54:14,140 --> 01:54:16,140
Well, at least everybody needs to read it

2605
01:54:16,140 --> 01:54:18,140
from both sides.

2606
01:54:18,140 --> 01:54:20,140
I can't read that from north to north.

2607
01:54:20,140 --> 01:54:22,140
I agree with you.

2608
01:54:22,140 --> 01:54:24,140
I think that the sign that was up

2609
01:54:24,140 --> 01:54:26,140
that just was written down

2610
01:54:26,140 --> 01:54:28,140
was incomplete.

2611
01:54:28,140 --> 01:54:30,140
That was what I said a long time ago.

2612
01:54:30,140 --> 01:54:32,140
It was incomplete.

2613
01:54:32,140 --> 01:54:34,140
It needed to have more to it.

2614
01:54:34,140 --> 01:54:36,140
I don't know whether this would

2615
01:54:36,140 --> 01:54:38,140
cry or not, but we have

2616
01:54:38,140 --> 01:54:40,140
the size that's permitted for a sign,

2617
01:54:40,140 --> 01:54:42,140
maybe the size of a picture.

2618
01:54:42,140 --> 01:54:44,140
Why couldn't we have a post

2619
01:54:44,140 --> 01:54:46,140
with several different signs on it?

2620
01:54:46,140 --> 01:54:48,140
Each sign is legal.

2621
01:54:48,140 --> 01:54:50,140
If it's hanging from a tree,

2622
01:54:50,140 --> 01:54:52,649
it's a sign.

2623
01:54:52,649 --> 01:54:54,649
It's a sign.

2624
01:54:54,649 --> 01:54:56,649
It's a sign.

2625
01:54:56,649 --> 01:54:58,649
It's a sign.

2626
01:54:58,649 --> 01:55:00,649
It's a sign.

2627
01:55:00,649 --> 01:55:02,649
It's a sign.

2628
01:55:02,649 --> 01:55:04,970
It's a sign.

2629
01:55:04,970 --> 01:55:06,970
It's a sign.

2630
01:55:06,970 --> 01:55:08,970
It's a sign.

2631
01:55:08,970 --> 01:55:10,970
A sign.

2632
01:55:10,970 --> 01:55:12,970
Reiece it.

2633
01:55:12,970 --> 01:55:14,970
It's not in hundred percent.

2634
01:55:14,970 --> 01:55:32,970
It's the sign

2635
01:55:32,970 --> 01:55:35,970
It has to be broken so you read both of them.

2636
01:55:35,970 --> 01:55:37,970
That other sign, you got it going on?

2637
01:55:37,970 --> 01:55:39,970
That sign is the type of sign that will look great

2638
01:55:39,970 --> 01:55:41,970
like the town line or something.

2639
01:55:41,970 --> 01:55:42,970
Right, right.

2640
01:55:42,970 --> 01:55:45,970
I wouldn't have a problem putting that on the building.

2641
01:55:45,970 --> 01:55:46,970
Right.

2642
01:55:46,970 --> 01:55:47,970
That's what I just said.

2643
01:55:47,970 --> 01:55:49,970
But you can't, we can...

2644
01:55:49,970 --> 01:55:51,970
I don't know.

2645
01:55:51,970 --> 01:55:52,970
No, no.

2646
01:55:52,970 --> 01:55:54,970
I don't think you can actually put a sign on the building

2647
01:55:54,970 --> 01:55:57,970
because then it is a sign that you can take the letters off.

2648
01:55:57,970 --> 01:55:58,970
Right.

2649
01:55:58,970 --> 01:55:59,970
You can put the letters on it.

2650
01:55:59,970 --> 01:56:00,970
Right, right.

2651
01:56:00,970 --> 01:56:02,970
Do it tomorrow.

2652
01:56:02,970 --> 01:56:04,970
Put the letters on the building.

2653
01:56:04,970 --> 01:56:05,970
Right.

2654
01:56:05,970 --> 01:56:07,970
So that the board behind it is a sign.

2655
01:56:07,970 --> 01:56:09,970
It's not a sign.

2656
01:56:09,970 --> 01:56:11,970
Right.

2657
01:56:11,970 --> 01:56:13,970
Without a permit.

2658
01:56:13,970 --> 01:56:14,970
Yeah.

2659
01:56:14,970 --> 01:56:16,970
So that makes sense.

2660
01:56:16,970 --> 01:56:18,970
But I would like to have,

2661
01:56:18,970 --> 01:56:20,970
I like the idea of having three signs

2662
01:56:20,970 --> 01:56:21,970
or whatever we need here.

2663
01:56:21,970 --> 01:56:22,970
Library, school, and...

2664
01:56:22,970 --> 01:56:24,970
We ought to have signs.

2665
01:56:24,970 --> 01:56:26,970
I would love to have that.

2666
01:56:26,970 --> 01:56:28,970
All you have to do is get a piece of paper

2667
01:56:28,970 --> 01:56:29,970
and draw it on there.

2668
01:56:29,970 --> 01:56:30,970
Yeah.

2669
01:56:30,970 --> 01:56:31,970
And put it on there

2670
01:56:31,970 --> 01:56:33,970
to what you think the letters would be.

2671
01:56:33,970 --> 01:56:35,970
Put it out there and go up the road

2672
01:56:35,970 --> 01:56:37,970
and go and see if it looks all right.

2673
01:56:37,970 --> 01:56:39,970
And say, yeah, it'll work.

2674
01:56:39,970 --> 01:56:40,970
And if it works,

2675
01:56:40,970 --> 01:56:42,970
then we can have a design assignment.

2676
01:56:42,970 --> 01:56:43,970
I'll tell you one thing.

2677
01:56:43,970 --> 01:56:45,970
I've never gone through this much hassle before

2678
01:56:45,970 --> 01:56:46,970
to follow one rule.

2679
01:56:46,970 --> 01:56:47,970
No.

2680
01:56:47,970 --> 01:56:48,970
Usually I just break the rule

2681
01:56:48,970 --> 01:56:51,970
and ask for forgiveness later.

2682
01:56:51,970 --> 01:56:52,970
It's not a survey.

2683
01:56:52,970 --> 01:56:53,970
Ask for designs.

2684
01:56:53,970 --> 01:56:54,970
It's not...

2685
01:56:54,970 --> 01:56:55,970
Is that why Lisa...

2686
01:56:55,970 --> 01:56:56,970
What?

2687
01:56:56,970 --> 01:56:57,970
The issue came up, though,

2688
01:56:57,970 --> 01:56:59,970
that if it's too small,

2689
01:56:59,970 --> 01:57:00,970
like what Doug...

2690
01:57:00,970 --> 01:57:01,970
I appreciate what you're saying,

2691
01:57:01,970 --> 01:57:02,970
but if it's that size,

2692
01:57:02,970 --> 01:57:04,970
nobody's going to be able to read Stanford

2693
01:57:04,970 --> 01:57:06,970
or whatever it says,

2694
01:57:06,970 --> 01:57:07,970
safety, driving,

2695
01:57:07,970 --> 01:57:08,970
going 50...

2696
01:57:08,970 --> 01:57:09,970
Oh, not 50 feet.

2697
01:57:09,970 --> 01:57:10,970
Yeah, 50 feet.

2698
01:57:10,970 --> 01:57:11,970
Yeah, 50 feet.

2699
01:57:11,970 --> 01:57:13,970
Hey, you have it.

2700
01:57:13,970 --> 01:57:15,970
I think we have to amend it

2701
01:57:15,970 --> 01:57:17,970
for the municipality no matter what

2702
01:57:17,970 --> 01:57:19,970
so we can make the sign big enough

2703
01:57:19,970 --> 01:57:20,970
for safety reasons.

2704
01:57:20,970 --> 01:57:21,970
Isn't there some kind of...

2705
01:57:21,970 --> 01:57:23,970
We have a whole new planning board, basically.

2706
01:57:23,970 --> 01:57:24,970
Isn't there some kind of appeal

2707
01:57:24,970 --> 01:57:26,970
that we can make to them?

2708
01:57:26,970 --> 01:57:27,970
I don't know.

2709
01:57:27,970 --> 01:57:28,970
But like I said,

2710
01:57:28,970 --> 01:57:31,970
add that exemption into the bylaws.

2711
01:57:31,970 --> 01:57:32,970
I got to the point where I was...

2712
01:57:32,970 --> 01:57:33,970
That's it.

2713
01:57:33,970 --> 01:57:34,970
I was fed up with it.

2714
01:57:34,970 --> 01:57:35,970
Really.

2715
01:57:35,970 --> 01:57:37,970
So I think we should make a motion

2716
01:57:37,970 --> 01:57:39,970
this Sunday for the planning board

2717
01:57:39,970 --> 01:57:43,970
and have them add some kind of exemption

2718
01:57:43,970 --> 01:57:47,970
for columns on signage.

2719
01:57:47,970 --> 01:57:49,229
So that...

2720
01:57:49,229 --> 01:57:51,229
Columns, even churches,

2721
01:57:51,229 --> 01:57:52,229
fire station,

2722
01:57:52,229 --> 01:57:54,229
any public facility.

2723
01:57:54,229 --> 01:57:56,229
Can't you ask for an increase in size?

2724
01:57:56,229 --> 01:57:57,229
That's a lie.

2725
01:57:57,229 --> 01:57:58,229
Everybody will say

2726
01:57:58,229 --> 01:57:59,229
won't give...

2727
01:57:59,229 --> 01:58:00,229
Yeah.

2728
01:58:00,229 --> 01:58:02,229
Churches and people won't get their permits.

2729
01:58:02,229 --> 01:58:03,229
That's a lengthy process,

2730
01:58:03,229 --> 01:58:04,229
so it might be a lot quicker

2731
01:58:04,229 --> 01:58:07,229
to work on a new sign.

2732
01:58:07,229 --> 01:58:08,520
Yeah.

2733
01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:10,520
Because by the time we go to planning commission,

2734
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:12,520
they have their public meetings.

2735
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:13,520
The one thing, though,

2736
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:15,520
the one thing, Sheila,

2737
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:16,520
is what you just said,

2738
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:17,520
everybody won't get permits.

2739
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:19,520
We're not asking for everybody.

2740
01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:21,520
We're asking for the municipalities.

2741
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:23,520
But if you don't have to, they won't.

2742
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:24,520
That's not true.

2743
01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:25,520
That's not true.

2744
01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:26,520
Right now,

2745
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:27,520
there's a state law

2746
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:28,520
that says municipalities

2747
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:29,520
are exempt.

2748
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:30,520
If you go down

2749
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:31,520
to North Adams right now,

2750
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:32,520
the municipality of North Adams

2751
01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:33,520
is exempt.

2752
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:34,520
That's Massachusetts.

2753
01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:35,520
Right?

2754
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:36,520
That's Massachusetts.

2755
01:58:36,520 --> 01:58:37,520
Oh, Bennington has the same thing.

2756
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:38,520
Or more municipalities.

2757
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:39,520
Bennington has the same thing.

2758
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:40,520
You have big monster signs

2759
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:41,520
at municipalities.

2760
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:42,520
Schools in the town hall

2761
01:58:42,520 --> 01:58:43,520
and benefit are huge.

2762
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:44,520
Fire departments can't view it

2763
01:58:44,520 --> 01:58:45,520
because they have...

2764
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:46,520
I guarantee,

2765
01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:47,520
if we had a sign

2766
01:58:47,520 --> 01:58:48,520
on our fire department,

2767
01:58:48,520 --> 01:58:49,520
a big sign,

2768
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:50,520
not one person

2769
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:51,520
would complain about it.

2770
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:52,520
Because it's

2771
01:58:52,520 --> 01:58:53,520
municipalities

2772
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:54,520
that are exempt.

2773
01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:55,520
Because it's

2774
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:56,520
municipalities

2775
01:58:56,520 --> 01:58:57,520
that are exempt.

2776
01:58:57,520 --> 01:58:58,520
Because it's municipalities

2777
01:58:58,520 --> 01:58:59,520
and it is exempt.

2778
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:00,520
Our bylaws might not say it

2779
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:01,520
but the state law does.

2780
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:02,520
And you can make your bylaw

2781
01:59:02,520 --> 01:59:03,520
any damn thing

2782
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:04,520
you want it to say

2783
01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:05,520
and you can exempt yourself.

2784
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:06,520
It doesn't make...

2785
01:59:06,520 --> 01:59:07,520
It's like

2786
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:08,520
fining ourselves.

2787
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:09,520
If the zoning board,

2788
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:10,520
if we didn't take that down,

2789
01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:11,520
they're going to fine us.

2790
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:12,520
So we're going to pay them

2791
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:13,520
with our...

2792
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:14,520
Go ahead.

2793
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:15,520
The town money

2794
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:16,520
and then they're going to have

2795
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:17,520
their...

2796
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:18,520
The town money

2797
01:59:18,520 --> 01:59:19,520
in their budget

2798
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:20,550
instead of our budget.

2799
01:59:20,550 --> 01:59:21,550
So we're going to pay them

2800
01:59:21,550 --> 01:59:22,550
with our...

2801
01:59:22,550 --> 01:59:23,550
Go ahead.

2802
01:59:23,550 --> 01:59:24,550
The town money

2803
01:59:24,550 --> 01:59:25,550
and then they're going to have

2804
01:59:25,550 --> 01:59:26,550
their...

2805
01:59:26,550 --> 01:59:27,550
The town money

2806
01:59:27,550 --> 01:59:28,550
in their budget.

2807
01:59:28,550 --> 01:59:29,550
It doesn't make sense.

2808
01:59:29,550 --> 01:59:30,550
None of this makes sense.

2809
01:59:30,550 --> 01:59:31,550
Absolutely.

2810
01:59:31,550 --> 01:59:32,550
Scstring with all that.

2811
01:59:32,550 --> 01:59:33,550
ch Greenville all that?

2812
01:59:33,550 --> 01:59:34,550
Are you done?

2813
01:59:34,550 --> 01:59:35,550
No.

2814
01:59:35,550 --> 01:59:36,229
It's like being

2815
01:59:36,229 --> 01:59:37,109
in the Twilight Zone.

2816
01:59:39,550 --> 01:59:40,550
I'm not done.

2817
01:59:40,550 --> 01:59:51,550
3 times I've went

2818
01:59:51,550 --> 01:59:52,550
Adding

2819
01:59:52,550 --> 01:59:53,550
visits earlier

2820
01:59:53,550 --> 01:59:54,550
A dime for signing

2821
01:59:54,550 --> 01:59:55,550
No,

2822
01:59:55,550 --> 01:59:56,550
I thought this

2823
01:59:56,550 --> 01:59:57,550
was pretty cooked,

2824
01:59:57,550 --> 02:00:01,550
So what are we going to do now?

2825
02:00:01,550 --> 02:00:05,550
What's your hand up?

2826
02:00:05,550 --> 02:00:09,550
I did before. Laura's had her hand up for

2827
02:00:09,550 --> 02:00:13,550
.2 minutes. I know. I just said when you put the sign up

2828
02:00:13,550 --> 02:00:17,550
we could have something that says town. I sit here.

2829
02:00:17,550 --> 02:00:21,550
Numerous people come out here. They're walking around the building. They come here. They're walking

2830
02:00:21,550 --> 02:00:25,550
forward. They have no idea where to go. That's all they're asking.

2831
02:00:25,550 --> 02:00:29,550
We're in agreement right now. Can you just put a dance sign? I would love to. I would put one out there

2832
02:00:29,550 --> 02:00:33,550
right now. You can find me out there. Maybe we should form a sign committee.

2833
02:00:33,550 --> 02:00:37,550
Oh, don't get me.

2834
02:00:37,550 --> 02:00:41,550
Remember that? No. Easy.

2835
02:00:41,550 --> 02:00:45,550
Seriously, if we go, if we have

2836
02:00:45,550 --> 02:00:49,739
to go to the planning board and ask

2837
02:00:49,739 --> 02:00:53,739
for the bylaws, why can't we do local?

2838
02:00:53,739 --> 02:00:57,739
Why can't we do local?

2839
02:00:57,739 --> 02:01:01,739
We come up with a plan with a sign. We submit the sign.

2840
02:01:01,739 --> 02:01:05,739
Like John said, we can submit three signs. Right? Three signs.

2841
02:01:05,739 --> 02:01:09,739
We'll ask people for designs. We don't even have kids that design now.

2842
02:01:09,739 --> 02:01:13,739
All we have to do is ask, can we have three signs? If they say yes,

2843
02:01:13,739 --> 02:01:17,739
we can put three signs out there. What is our

2844
02:01:17,739 --> 02:01:21,739
limitation for signs? Don't tell us.

2845
02:01:21,739 --> 02:01:25,739
Can we have a variance before we go any further? Can we have a variance on the size

2846
02:01:25,739 --> 02:01:29,739
for the reading for safety reasons?

2847
02:01:29,739 --> 02:01:33,739
Like Lisa said. And if they say no, okay. That's fine.

2848
02:01:33,739 --> 02:01:37,739
They say no. But at the exact same time, we

2849
02:01:37,739 --> 02:01:41,739
petition the planning board for the bylaws.

2850
02:01:41,739 --> 02:01:45,739
It's the exact same. It's both. So you don't need to ask them what you can

2851
02:01:45,739 --> 02:01:49,739
and cannot do. You just read the bylaws and it's in there. It's either black and white,

2852
02:01:49,739 --> 02:01:51,739
yes or no. Right. Yeah.

2853
02:01:51,739 --> 02:01:55,739
Could we just put the signs on the building, catalog, the school?

2854
02:01:55,739 --> 02:01:59,739
I saw that. We can, but that doesn't

2855
02:01:59,739 --> 02:02:03,739
solve the big problem. No. That says that when

2856
02:02:03,739 --> 02:02:07,739
you're saying, someone comes here, they go, oh, there's a town. Right?

2857
02:02:07,739 --> 02:02:11,739
They don't walk out here. But that doesn't solve the problem that the guy that says, I'm going to get

2858
02:02:11,739 --> 02:02:15,739
a fishing license, I just moved up here and he throws right by me. Right.

2859
02:02:15,739 --> 02:02:19,739
He goes, geez, I wonder where his town hall is.

2860
02:02:19,739 --> 02:02:23,739
I think I could figure out if there's a big sign that says Stanford. I think I could figure out

2861
02:02:23,739 --> 02:02:27,739
if that's the town office. Well, it's not there anymore, though.

2862
02:02:27,739 --> 02:02:31,739
I mean, Justin says Stanford. Oh, yeah, yeah.

2863
02:02:31,739 --> 02:02:35,739
We have school and town offices where the town office goes. Yeah. A library sign.

2864
02:02:35,739 --> 02:02:39,739
But I mean, I think it only takes a few minutes to drive through the whole town.

2865
02:02:39,739 --> 02:02:43,739
In 10 years, absolutely, everyone will be using Google Maps. No one will be able to look at a sign.

2866
02:02:43,739 --> 02:02:47,739
No, we need a sign. I just don't think it has to say.

2867
02:02:47,739 --> 02:02:51,739
I like the best one.

2868
02:02:51,739 --> 02:02:55,739
I don't know what it is.

2869
02:02:55,739 --> 02:02:59,739
I know. We can go buy the ice cream place.

2870
02:02:59,739 --> 02:03:03,739
Write it on that.

2871
02:03:03,739 --> 02:03:07,739
And sell ice cream at the same price.

2872
02:03:11,739 --> 02:03:15,739
Well, what would you like? Hard ice cream?

2873
02:03:15,739 --> 02:03:19,739
It's gone. It's awesome. It's gone for teachers.

2874
02:03:23,739 --> 02:03:27,739
Well, I don't know. I feel like we need a sign.

2875
02:03:27,739 --> 02:03:31,739
No, don't feel bad if you brought it up.

2876
02:03:31,739 --> 02:03:35,739
I agree with you 100%.

2877
02:03:35,739 --> 02:03:39,739
Yeah, I mean, we just want to follow you.

2878
02:03:39,739 --> 02:03:43,739
Even if I got to bring in a cardboard cutout of what a

2879
02:03:43,739 --> 02:03:45,739
3x4 is and say this is what we're allowing. Yeah.

2880
02:03:45,739 --> 02:03:49,739
I mean, I guess the bottom line is

2881
02:03:49,739 --> 02:03:53,739
without some kind of an exemption, we can't have any sign worthwhile.

2882
02:03:53,739 --> 02:03:57,739
I'm going to tell you though, 3x4 is a lot bigger than that.

2883
02:03:57,739 --> 02:04:01,739
A little bit. A little bit.

2884
02:04:01,739 --> 02:04:05,739
I'm just a little over 4 foot tall.

2885
02:04:05,739 --> 02:04:09,739
Still, without some kind of exemption or waiver on the sign square footage,

2886
02:04:09,739 --> 02:04:13,739
I don't think we're going to have any sign that represents the size of a sign that we need to be efficient.

2887
02:04:13,739 --> 02:04:15,739
No. Well, I think if we had

2888
02:04:15,739 --> 02:04:17,739
3x4

2889
02:04:17,739 --> 02:04:19,739
three times,

2890
02:04:19,739 --> 02:04:21,739
we might be able to do it.

2891
02:04:21,739 --> 02:04:23,739
It might look a little ridiculous, but at least we'll get our information out there.

2892
02:04:23,739 --> 02:04:25,739
Yeah, exactly. So it only has to be

2893
02:04:25,739 --> 02:04:28,119
that far apart.

2894
02:04:28,119 --> 02:04:30,119
I don't know what you're saying.

2895
02:04:30,119 --> 02:04:32,119
Yeah. There are different signs on the main wall.

2896
02:04:32,119 --> 02:04:34,119
So we're going to...

2897
02:04:34,119 --> 02:04:36,119
All I'm saying is

2898
02:04:36,119 --> 02:04:38,119
we're going to ruin the

2899
02:04:38,119 --> 02:04:40,119
aesthetics of a sign

2900
02:04:40,119 --> 02:04:42,699
to make it legal. It's art.

2901
02:04:42,699 --> 02:04:44,699
Well, I don't know if we would.

2902
02:04:44,699 --> 02:04:46,699
I think it might work over here.

2903
02:04:46,699 --> 02:04:48,920
Well, if people have that

2904
02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:50,920
in their back with their couches here,

2905
02:04:50,920 --> 02:04:52,920
it would seem like a big portrait.

2906
02:04:52,920 --> 02:04:54,920
And they have like three different, and they break it up.

2907
02:04:54,920 --> 02:04:56,920
It might look good.

2908
02:04:56,920 --> 02:04:58,920
Maybe you could put a triangle out there.

2909
02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:00,920
Maybe you could mount them on some bed knobs.

2910
02:05:00,920 --> 02:05:02,920
Put a coupe.

2911
02:05:02,920 --> 02:05:04,920
I think you're just being sarcastic.

2912
02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:06,920
Oh, Lori, Lori, Lori.

2913
02:05:06,920 --> 02:05:08,920
I need more cowbells.

2914
02:05:08,920 --> 02:05:10,920
Well, I agree.

2915
02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:12,920
Hopefully.

2916
02:05:12,920 --> 02:05:14,920
So what do you want to do?

2917
02:05:14,920 --> 02:05:16,920
Go ahead, John.

2918
02:05:16,920 --> 02:05:18,920
See what could be...

2919
02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:20,920
You know what I said?

2920
02:05:20,920 --> 02:05:22,920
The jungle vault is a three vault or something.

2921
02:05:22,920 --> 02:05:24,920
So what do you want?

2922
02:05:29,500 --> 02:05:31,500
So you're going to send it

2923
02:05:31,500 --> 02:05:33,500
to the planning commission?

2924
02:05:33,500 --> 02:05:35,500
Because it's been kicked around, no offense,

2925
02:05:35,500 --> 02:05:37,500
here for like years, I feel like.

2926
02:05:37,500 --> 02:05:39,500
Yeah. Does it?

2927
02:05:39,500 --> 02:05:41,500
Oh, yeah.

2928
02:05:41,500 --> 02:05:45,000
Maybe just see what we can do with the planning commission.

2929
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:47,000
I think we can figure that one out, too.

2930
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:49,000
I would ask them.

2931
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:51,000
Somebody has...

2932
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:53,000
Can we just...

2933
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:55,000
Ask them?

2934
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:57,000
I mean, if it's a state law, how can they say no?

2935
02:05:57,000 --> 02:05:59,000
Right.

2936
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:01,000
Well, let's ask them.

2937
02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:03,000
State law trumps a lot of our laws.

2938
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:05,000
State law trumps a lot of our laws.

2939
02:06:05,000 --> 02:06:07,000
State law trumps a lot of our laws right now.

2940
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:09,000
State law trumps a lot of our laws right now.

2941
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:11,000
Right.

2942
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:13,000
If the bylaw conflicts with the state law,

2943
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:15,000
then it's no good.

2944
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:17,000
The bylaw can be more stringent.

2945
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:19,000
None anymore. None anymore.

2946
02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:21,000
You can't do a lot of...

2947
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,000
You can't city and zoning.

2948
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:25,000
No, I thought it could be more stringent.

2949
02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:27,000
Accessory dwelling units.

2950
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:29,000
All of that.

2951
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:31,000
The state...

2952
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:33,000
You can't change it.

2953
02:06:33,000 --> 02:06:35,000
Our bylaws don't mean anything.

2954
02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:37,000
So if we brought that to their attention...

2955
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:39,000
Then you never know.

2956
02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:41,000
Can we show them this?

2957
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:43,000
I'll bring it there and show them.

2958
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:45,000
If you could send them a document...

2959
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:47,000
Huh?

2960
02:06:47,000 --> 02:06:49,000
To just get that...

2961
02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:51,420
Spar with my counterparts on that.

2962
02:06:51,420 --> 02:06:53,420
Spar with my counterparts on that.

2963
02:06:53,420 --> 02:06:55,680
Be fun.

2964
02:06:55,680 --> 02:06:57,680
So what do we do with them?

2965
02:06:57,680 --> 02:06:59,680
Hold them in court?

2966
02:06:59,680 --> 02:07:01,680
I don't feel like that at all.

2967
02:07:01,680 --> 02:07:03,680
Yeah.

2968
02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:05,680
One day you've got to sell them the farm.

2969
02:07:05,680 --> 02:07:07,680
Request...

2970
02:07:07,680 --> 02:07:09,680
Is that on the clock?

2971
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:11,680
What the hell?

2972
02:07:11,680 --> 02:07:13,680
Request the planning board to amend the bylaws?

2973
02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:15,680
Request the planning board to amend the bylaws?

2974
02:07:15,680 --> 02:07:17,680
Or look into that state law?

2975
02:07:17,680 --> 02:07:19,680
Look into that...

2976
02:07:19,680 --> 02:07:21,680
Or look into that state law?

2977
02:07:21,680 --> 02:07:23,680
Yeah, look into it.

2978
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:25,680
If it's possible or if not...

2979
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:27,680
Can we amend the bylaws to change that?

2980
02:07:27,680 --> 02:07:29,680
If not, that's fine.

2981
02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:31,680
I just want to know.

2982
02:07:31,680 --> 02:07:33,680
I mean, it's a whole new board and it kind of smells like a power shift or something.

2983
02:07:33,680 --> 02:07:35,680
I mean, it's a whole new board and it kind of smells like a power shift or something.

2984
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:37,680
So I guess...

2985
02:07:37,680 --> 02:07:39,680
When is the next board meeting?

2986
02:07:39,680 --> 02:07:41,680
July 1st.

2987
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:43,680
July 1st.

2988
02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:49,680
Somebody at the last meeting...

2989
02:07:49,680 --> 02:07:51,680
Somebody at the first meeting...

2990
02:07:51,680 --> 02:07:53,680
Somebody at the last meeting...

2991
02:07:53,680 --> 02:07:55,680
For the first Monday.

2992
02:07:55,680 --> 02:07:57,680
I think I got an Eno.

2993
02:07:57,680 --> 02:07:59,680
Okay.

2994
02:07:59,680 --> 02:08:01,680
You did not write that.

2995
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:03,680
You did not write that.

2996
02:08:03,680 --> 02:08:05,680
July 4th would be on.

2997
02:08:05,680 --> 02:08:07,680
Were you guys not having a meeting on July 4th?

2998
02:08:07,680 --> 02:08:09,680
Were you guys not having a meeting on July 4th?

2999
02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:11,680
Because they're starting to get better.

3000
02:08:13,680 --> 02:08:15,680
Yeah, so that won't be vacation.

3001
02:08:15,680 --> 02:08:17,680
I know.

3002
02:08:17,680 --> 02:08:19,680
Bye.

3003
02:08:19,680 --> 02:08:28,300
So, yeah, I mean, if I go, if you remind me, I'll go and I'll ask, what can we do?

3004
02:08:29,060 --> 02:08:31,119
Go forward, can we amend that again?

3005
02:08:31,239 --> 02:08:34,680
Here's a statement about, I don't have that now, I'll have to find it again.

3006
02:08:34,680 --> 02:08:35,399
I have it now.

3007
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:36,180
You got it?

3008
02:08:36,180 --> 02:08:37,000
It's on me that way.

3009
02:08:37,260 --> 02:08:37,720
Right, right.

3010
02:08:37,939 --> 02:08:38,420
Yeah, okay.

3011
02:08:39,260 --> 02:08:41,359
Yeah, now, I tell them, just ask.

3012
02:08:42,180 --> 02:08:43,539
It won't hurt to ask.

3013
02:08:43,859 --> 02:08:44,979
They can say, no, we're not going to ask.

3014
02:08:45,159 --> 02:08:47,899
I like the carousel idea, northeast, southwest, that's cool.

3015
02:08:49,680 --> 02:08:52,479
Okay, so I'd like to make a motion that John goes to the meeting.

3016
02:08:57,869 --> 02:09:00,989
Oh, we've got to learn this better.

3017
02:09:02,569 --> 02:09:03,930
I'll go, I'll go with you.

3018
02:09:04,069 --> 02:09:06,329
We'll go with this popular, because the board might have.

3019
02:09:06,329 --> 02:09:11,930
I just want to put a sign out in front of the lawn and put a spark of people in town against each other, you know what I mean?

3020
02:09:12,029 --> 02:09:18,239
I just want permission from the board if we go and represent the board and not just, you know, citizens.

3021
02:09:18,239 --> 02:09:19,760
Can I ask if we can do this?

3022
02:09:20,750 --> 02:09:20,949
Yeah.

3023
02:09:21,090 --> 02:09:21,569
Is there a second?

3024
02:09:23,189 --> 02:09:23,789
Second that.

3025
02:09:23,989 --> 02:09:24,770
I'll second that.

3026
02:09:25,770 --> 02:09:27,470
Three strikes and you're out, so to speak.

3027
02:09:27,789 --> 02:09:28,609
All in favor?

3028
02:09:28,729 --> 02:09:30,130
Yeah, we've got to hit the nail on the head.

3029
02:09:30,130 --> 02:09:32,789
I'm going to put my neck out there again, because I was done with it.

3030
02:09:32,810 --> 02:09:33,689
You were done with it.

3031
02:09:33,890 --> 02:09:34,350
Yeah, I know.

3032
02:09:34,590 --> 02:09:34,810
Yep.

3033
02:09:35,350 --> 02:09:35,869
All yes?

3034
02:09:36,069 --> 02:09:36,850
All yes.

3035
02:09:37,130 --> 02:09:37,649
All yes?

3036
02:09:38,109 --> 02:09:38,430
Okay.

3037
02:09:38,890 --> 02:09:40,270
Mike, you had something else.

3038
02:09:40,710 --> 02:09:40,989
No.

3039
02:09:41,329 --> 02:09:43,310
I can't remember where I am.

3040
02:09:44,329 --> 02:09:46,670
Lori, were you going to say something about that veto?

3041
02:09:47,930 --> 02:09:49,909
Oh, you can talk.

3042
02:09:50,210 --> 02:09:50,689
875.

3043
02:09:51,149 --> 02:09:51,750
I want to see it.

3044
02:09:51,750 --> 02:09:52,869
Oh, yeah.

3045
02:09:52,989 --> 02:10:03,479
I emailed you guys about the state wanting to, a bill that is close to passing on ethics.

3046
02:10:04,760 --> 02:10:06,600
I mean, we all support ethics.

3047
02:10:07,159 --> 02:10:08,279
That's not the issue.

3048
02:10:08,279 --> 02:10:15,899
But this bill, VLCT is recommending that everyone contact their governor and ask him to veto it,

3049
02:10:15,939 --> 02:10:21,279
because it dumps all the responsibility on the towns for enforcement.

3050
02:10:21,279 --> 02:10:23,680
Devoid of the grant to the county.

3051
02:10:23,680 --> 02:10:26,180
And if you have done someone who came back saying, oh, we have it.

3052
02:10:26,220 --> 02:10:31,170
Any of the city's or county's court is not going to back you.

3053
02:10:31,170 --> 02:10:31,689
Right.

3054
02:10:31,689 --> 02:10:36,029
We want to see an enforcement, developing policies, record people, documentation.

3055
02:10:36,050 --> 02:10:36,109
Yeah.

3056
02:10:36,109 --> 02:10:36,329
Documentation.

3057
02:10:36,350 --> 02:10:37,090
Documentation.

3058
02:10:37,130 --> 02:10:38,649
Why doesn't the state want that?

3059
02:10:38,649 --> 02:10:40,810
Why doesn't the state want to take control of that?

3060
02:10:40,850 --> 02:10:41,590
Yeah, right.

3061
02:10:41,630 --> 02:10:41,869
Right.

3062
02:10:41,869 --> 02:10:44,590
I mean, you have to have policies, you have to document every complaint, and how it's

3063
02:10:45,289 --> 02:10:45,829
disposed of.

3064
02:10:45,970 --> 02:10:46,170
Yes.

3065
02:10:46,229 --> 02:10:47,289
You have to have training and.

3066
02:10:48,289 --> 02:10:49,069
Do your job.

3067
02:10:49,069 --> 02:10:50,270
People.

3068
02:10:50,270 --> 02:10:53,010
to go to training every year on this stuff.

3069
02:10:53,010 --> 02:10:54,470
What's gonna happen, it's gonna be like

3070
02:10:54,470 --> 02:10:56,109
the volunteer fire department.

3071
02:10:56,109 --> 02:10:59,350
You gotta, instead of taking 40 hours, now it's 60 hours.

3072
02:10:59,350 --> 02:11:01,050
Instead of taking three quarters of the year,

3073
02:11:01,050 --> 02:11:01,890
it's five quarters.

3074
02:11:01,890 --> 02:11:03,930
And you get nobody to volunteer for.

3075
02:11:03,930 --> 02:11:06,750
You say, this is too much for a volunteer position.

3076
02:11:08,350 --> 02:11:10,750
It's the state pushing down our throats,

3077
02:11:10,750 --> 02:11:13,310
and what'll happen is that no one will apply

3078
02:11:13,310 --> 02:11:14,909
for a SWAT Corps or this or that,

3079
02:11:14,909 --> 02:11:15,750
and the state will come in and say,

3080
02:11:15,750 --> 02:11:18,090
no problem, we'll run it for you.

3081
02:11:18,090 --> 02:11:20,489
More record keeping.

3082
02:11:20,489 --> 02:11:24,949
And then, so he's got five days to veto it,

3083
02:11:24,949 --> 02:11:26,090
or it becomes a law.

3084
02:11:26,090 --> 02:11:30,270
So the push is to really get everybody to veto this.

3085
02:11:30,270 --> 02:11:31,750
What's the name of it again?

3086
02:11:31,750 --> 02:11:33,149
875.

3087
02:11:33,149 --> 02:11:34,369
875.

3088
02:11:34,369 --> 02:11:35,989
It's in your email.

3089
02:11:35,989 --> 02:11:37,149
Email your governor.

3090
02:11:37,149 --> 02:11:40,189
Email the governor, call the governor.

3091
02:11:40,189 --> 02:11:42,270
Is there a form that you just signed,

3092
02:11:42,270 --> 02:11:44,210
or do you have to send your own?

3093
02:11:44,210 --> 02:11:48,090
No, the VOCT wrote to the town clerk

3094
02:11:48,090 --> 02:11:52,029
saying this is what the bill proposes.

3095
02:11:52,029 --> 02:11:54,189
This is how it's going to affect municipalities,

3096
02:11:54,189 --> 02:11:58,569
and we recommend you write to the governor and say,

3097
02:11:58,569 --> 02:11:59,409
please veto it.

3098
02:11:59,409 --> 02:12:01,970
It's too much for little towns.

3099
02:12:01,970 --> 02:12:06,670
You have to have people set up to investigate every claim,

3100
02:12:06,670 --> 02:12:08,390
to dispose of every claim.

3101
02:12:08,390 --> 02:12:11,750
You have to have enforcement for every claim and penalties.

3102
02:12:11,750 --> 02:12:12,829
We don't have the funds.

3103
02:12:12,829 --> 02:12:14,250
We don't have the personnel.

3104
02:12:14,250 --> 02:12:17,689
We don't have the ability as a little town.

3105
02:12:17,689 --> 02:12:18,189
No.

3106
02:12:18,250 --> 02:12:19,930
No more now.

3107
02:12:19,930 --> 02:12:22,430
So yeah, if anybody is interested, I can.

3108
02:12:22,430 --> 02:12:24,489
Is there a number as a citizen?

3109
02:12:24,489 --> 02:12:25,689
It must be a governor.

3110
02:12:25,689 --> 02:12:26,189
Yeah.

3111
02:12:26,189 --> 02:12:27,909
You go on the governor.

3112
02:12:27,909 --> 02:12:32,670
Even if you don't get through, they keep track.

3113
02:12:32,670 --> 02:12:35,829
I mean, I can forward the email and the governor contact

3114
02:12:35,829 --> 02:12:39,569
information for anybody who'd like to write something.

3115
02:12:39,569 --> 02:12:40,489
Yeah.

3116
02:12:40,489 --> 02:12:43,029
Might it be easier just to put that on your website

3117
02:12:43,029 --> 02:12:44,489
so you don't have to email anybody?

3118
02:12:44,489 --> 02:12:45,689
Well, put it in the minutes.

3119
02:12:45,689 --> 02:12:46,189
Right.

3120
02:12:46,189 --> 02:12:47,689
It's only good for five days.

3121
02:12:47,689 --> 02:12:49,350
I mean, I'd rather just email it to people

3122
02:12:49,350 --> 02:12:50,430
who are going to respond.

3123
02:12:50,430 --> 02:12:50,930
Yeah.

3124
02:12:50,930 --> 02:12:52,550
I mean, it's already done.

3125
02:12:52,550 --> 02:12:54,189
When?

3126
02:12:54,189 --> 02:12:55,130
Tomorrow.

3127
02:12:55,130 --> 02:12:56,930
That's five days.

3128
02:12:56,930 --> 02:12:57,829
Five days from what?

3129
02:12:57,829 --> 02:12:58,710
Two days ago?

3130
02:12:58,710 --> 02:13:00,189
So you probably have three days.

3131
02:13:00,189 --> 02:13:00,689
Right.

3132
02:13:00,689 --> 02:13:01,189
Mm-hmm.

3133
02:13:01,189 --> 02:13:02,939
So.

3134
02:13:02,939 --> 02:13:04,199
Business days?

3135
02:13:04,199 --> 02:13:04,699
Weekends.

3136
02:13:04,699 --> 02:13:05,199
Weekends.

3137
02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:05,699
Weekends.

3138
02:13:05,699 --> 02:13:06,199
I don't know.

3139
02:13:06,199 --> 02:13:06,699
I don't know.

3140
02:13:06,699 --> 02:13:08,039
It just says Friday, yesterday.

3141
02:13:08,039 --> 02:13:10,439
It will become a law if he doesn't meet you at the meeting.

3142
02:13:10,439 --> 02:13:13,359
We'll get it done by tomorrow at the council.

3143
02:13:13,359 --> 02:13:16,060
Yeah, it's not good.

3144
02:13:16,060 --> 02:13:17,500
He's almost got me out.

3145
02:13:17,500 --> 02:13:21,659
Personal, first name basis now.

3146
02:13:21,659 --> 02:13:23,829
OK.

3147
02:13:23,829 --> 02:13:26,770
Any other new business?

3148
02:13:26,770 --> 02:13:27,270
OK.

3149
02:13:27,270 --> 02:13:29,430
I make a motion to go into executive session

3150
02:13:29,430 --> 02:13:32,119
for personnel matters.

3151
02:13:32,119 --> 02:13:33,560
Second.

3152
02:13:33,560 --> 02:13:37,479
Come on, David.