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I should know you.

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I don't know you.

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I don't know you.

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I don't.

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You care.

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I don't.

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So good for one of you.

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So good.

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So good to see you.

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So good to see you.

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I'm going to stay away from you.

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Where is she?

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Oh, here.

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So many more.

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So you're stuck on the floor?

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I just need to go.

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Yeah.

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I know.

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You're stuck on the floor.

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Take this.

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Take this.

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You're stuck on the floor.

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Yeah.

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There you go.

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I'll be right back.

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It's a fancy one?

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We've got to get the captain's chair on this one.

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What?

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If you wanted to bring it over here,

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right over here, we're going to bring it over here.

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Oh, okay.

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Where are we?

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Aw.

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Aw.

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She keeps getting all the calls.

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Welcome to the meeting of the Stanford Select Board.

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If you have a matter to discuss

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that is not included on the agenda,

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you may do so by addressing the chairperson

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and stating your name and address.

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You'll notice that all our meetings

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are recorded, and this is to aid

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with the summarization of the minutes.

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Visitors are welcome, and we allow

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five minutes of comments per visitor

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and 15 minutes per topic.

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Discussions will be held in a calm

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and civilized manner and respectful of others.

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Select Board members present are

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Mike Dinnall, Nancy Breschica,

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Doug Wright, John Dunn,

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Bert and Mari.

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Will there be any adding items

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to tonight's agenda, Lori,

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or removing them?

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Additional correspondence.

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Would there be any adjustments to the agenda,

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such as changing the order of items?

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Just to let you all know that Jeff is recording the,

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well, video recording the meeting,

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and this is not through the Select Board.

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It's his own personal .

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Sorry, YouTube?

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YouTube.

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YouTube.

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Okay. First order of business is open mowing bids.

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We've only received one bid.

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Mowing to be done at the school,

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$170 each time, this includes mowing, trimming,

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and cleaning off clippings, and spring clean-up to be done prior

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to mowing is an additional $500.

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Do you want to wait and discuss it later, or?

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What is the $500?

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I guess we can discuss it.

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I'm just curious what the $500 entails.

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I know obviously the lawn's in front, but there's trees, too,

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in the back that are down on the .

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Like in the soccer field, there's some trees I wonder

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if that's included.

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Well, I think he just picks up what's been passed.

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All he's done is picked up where he mowed it,

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so if something's in the way, it might be.

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He wasn't here.

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Nobody was here for the pre-bid.

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And I would like the ditch along the fence line cleaned up.

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That's full of large limbs, broken and dead limbs.

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And I don't know what's down in there.

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Last year, he cleaned the ditch where there'll be cut trees.

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Well, I'm just curious, because last year, he charged $300.

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Right.

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So it's .

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Right. And the mowing last year was?

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$170.

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Was the same, $170?

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Yeah.

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Okay, good.

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I don't think you're going to find something

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that's going to be cheaper now.

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We only have one bid, right?

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Yes.

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Yeah, great.

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In the past, it was done by our road crew,

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but they've been out grading.

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You did, like, you haven't done this clean up in two years?

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More than that, because Rich was the one.

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Oh, okay.

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Since Rich was there.

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Yeah.

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We haven't mowed mowing since I, no, he's never mowed mowing.

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Even the yard cleanup, we haven't, since the school's had a hand-pair.

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Oh, what?

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More like a full-time.

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Yeah, since we've had a full-time.

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Was he mowed like the ditch?

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Um, he's supposed to, because it's all on the fence line.

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Three or four guys, he brings his museum in, but I always hear probably two hours.

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Do we have his insurance?

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Did he submit his insurance for this?

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Um.

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It seems we only have one bid.

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I'd like to accept it, but we need to see if he's proof of insurance

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or other paperwork that he's self-reported.

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Discuss this later.

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I agree with you, Nancy.

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That's, yeah, he needs to be insured.

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If I get my camera shot.

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He should have a cash debt.

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Yeah.

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Do you want to make a motion to accept it as long as he's self-reported?

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Right.

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There's more in here.

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I missed something.

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So, yeah, I mean, I'll make a motion.

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I'll make a motion that we accept the bid as long as he shows his proof of insurance.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to accept it.

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Oh, yes.

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Second.

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Oh, I'm getting nervous.

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Yeah, all right.

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All right.

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I'm going to accept it.

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I'm going to accept it.

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Four.

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I'd like to accept it.

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Um, so as soon as the insurance is here or the proper paperwork, tell him he can begin.

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Okay.

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Hearing the visitors, the first on the agenda is Martina Barnes.

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New Mountain National Forest.

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Hi.

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Welcome.

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Thank you.

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I'll stand up just because otherwise my back is...

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Um, do you mind holding the map or...

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Hi, everyone.

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Some of you I know.

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It's been a little while.

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Um, it's been a little while since I've been here.

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Um, I'm the district ranger on the Manchester Ranger District.

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And, uh, we thought it was a good time to just give a, just a brief update on some of the activities happening in Stanford.

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Um, a lot of them are more...

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Timber-related and, uh, forestry-related.

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So, um, most likely soon pass it over to Josh Wills and Stacey Stratton, um, who are staff on the district.

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But, um, yeah, just wanted to...

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We'll leave this map with you.

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But, um, yeah, we, as you know, have been here before with our law enforcement officer, Colin Fisher, who actually retired.

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Lucky man.

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Um, at the end of December.

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So, we currently don't have a permanent law enforcement officer on the Manchester Ranger District, but we will be filling that position, hopefully in a few months.

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But, um, Colin, if he doesn't answer his phone, that's why.

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That would be a joy of life.

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Um, but, uh, yeah, so just wanted to highlight a few items on the recreation side.

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Uh, the old Seth Warner shelter on the, um, ATLT was, um...

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Removed, and a new Seth Warner shelter was completed back in, I guess in 2023, a little further into the location, um, to, um, we were seeing a lot of, um, unauthorized use by ATV, illegal ATV, um, riders and not, um, necessarily taking the best care of that shelter.

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So, the decision was made to relocate it, and there's a privy or, like, an outhouse as well as a...

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Um, shelter that was, um, newly constructed, so if you're ever interested in checking it out, it's, it's, um, it's there, it's been built.

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Um, so that's in Stamford, and, um, wanted to, not on this map, but the, um, our fire, uh, forest fire management officer asked me to mention that we may be doing a prescribed burn in Woodford, which I know is not Stamford, but close by.

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Um, on...

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Near FR273, um, with...

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So, yeah, in Woodford, it's about 41-acre, um, parcel, and this is, tis the season for prescribed burning right now before the winter, so, um, if the weather conditions permit, we may be doing that burn in, here in the next couple weeks, so, you know, I'll...

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We have a system to notify the fire wardens in the town.

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We...

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who are in the surrounding town to let you know,

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but that would be for wildlife habitat enhancement,

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like a wildlife opening type burn.

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So that's potentially, you may see just a heads up

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if you see smoke, that may be why you're seeing it,

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but we'll let you know.

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So yeah, those are, and then really the other things

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on this map are primarily timber related,

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and then if there are questions,

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I'll only pass it over to Josh,

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and for your safety.

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Yeah.

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Is that part of the on course initiative, the burn?

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The burn, no, not that I know of.

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Is that in partnership with the state?

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Well, I didn't know if it was a federal program,

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or I know it was in Massachusetts.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, that may be, I mean, it's not,

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it is not that I know of, but it's just part of we,

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if we're able to, and it's dry enough,

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and before the,

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after the week out, we try to do as much prescribed burning

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as we can in April, May, sometimes June,

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but it's for the benefit of wildlife habitat,

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but as far as I know, not.

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And then there are permanent wildlife openings

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that are down here, like, I think it's what the ATV park

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and a lot of those.

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This is essentially a would be on course initiative,

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is just openings.

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Yeah, they're openings.

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It's a younger forest, so they're out of like 12 years

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or something like that.

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Just one of the many we maintain on course.

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I'm just curious.

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Yeah. So, yeah, I'll pass it on to,

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and then if there are any questions, other questions.

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Well, I don't know why,

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we just have a series of timber sales, so up here is,

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it's mostly in Stamford as camps, you know,

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I would say that's about 85% done.

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They'll probably finish it up if we have a winter next year.

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And then.

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Is there a new road to the camp?

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There, oh.

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What was that?

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Is there a new road up into the camp?

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Well, there's been some improvements to it, but not,

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I wouldn't say it's a new road.

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You can drive a car to it.

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Yeah, you probably could.

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That's no.

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Yeah.

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I think, if there was a gate on that road, it's still there.

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So, yeah.

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That's been up there a while.

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And then the other ones we have off Roaring Brook,

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or the Cardinal Brook sale and the Roaring Brook sale,

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those are sold and active, I mean, not cutting right now,

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but there's been purchase.

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And then we have a future one over here, the Meadows sale.

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It's out a few years.

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There's no work done yet.

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And then also, as with off the Roaring Brook,

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we have been doing it off the forest,

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treating ash trees to just conserve genetics,

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because I've done trap trees in Stamford on Roaring Brook,

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and I found EAD.

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So I've treated about 15 trees to just try

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to conserve some genetics.

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We have that done.

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So if you're out there and you see some tags on it,

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they're hopefully holding on and fighting

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off the EAD, and you can have ash after the killing truck

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comes through.

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And then just a little bit left, there's

261
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the Broad Brook sale that's just barely, partially in Stamford

262
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as well.

263
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And that's been sold, but no one has harvested it yet.

264
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That's kind of what we have going on in Dubai's end

265
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session.

266
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Have you guys found a fix to that ash warmer yet?

267
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No.

268
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I mean, they have some native, I mean, not native,

269
00:14:36,340 --> 00:14:38,299
but they have some biologically controlled,

270
00:14:38,299 --> 00:14:41,220
you can these bugs, but they have issues

271
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with overwintering, and they produce it.

272
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Yeah.

273
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Yeah.

274
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So that's why we've been trying to,

275
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we'll have to re-treat these trees every three or four

276
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years.

277
00:14:52,620 --> 00:14:55,799
Maybe you can pump cocaine or something to the base?

278
00:14:55,799 --> 00:14:58,539
There's some insecticides we use, and then

279
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it's go for it, and you pump it into it.

280
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And the amount you put in depends

281
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on the size of the tree.

282
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So it's bigger trees and more expensive.

283
00:15:06,860 --> 00:15:08,480
It just seemed like it started showing up

284
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in this immediate valley right here, just

285
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for the .

286
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Yeah.

287
00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,340
So yeah, I treated some there, I treated some over in Pownall,

288
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and then working up in the Somerset area.

289
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So we've been working, because it came up in Massachusetts,

290
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so we can try and focus on the southern half of the forest

291
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and move forward.

292
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But yeah, no control otherwise.

293
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Try to save some where you can and hope it keeps reproducing.

294
00:15:35,580 --> 00:15:37,080
It's definitely saving.

295
00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,580
Oh, yeah, maybe.

296
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While I'm doing that, just to see if the trees would still

297
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be there.

298
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Yeah.

299
00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:42,200
Oh, wow.

300
00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,480
Yeah, they're saving, I see.

301
00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,779
I noticed on your map.

302
00:15:45,879 --> 00:15:53,299
You still have some parcels that are going to be transferred

303
00:15:53,299 --> 00:15:55,970
to National Forest.

304
00:15:55,970 --> 00:15:58,970
They haven't sold yet, they haven't closed yet?

305
00:15:58,970 --> 00:15:59,590
Not yet.

306
00:15:59,590 --> 00:16:00,509
Yes, exactly.

307
00:16:00,509 --> 00:16:03,710
There's the Warren Brook or Warren Branch.

308
00:16:03,710 --> 00:16:05,250
Yeah, there are still two .

309
00:16:05,250 --> 00:16:05,750
OK.

310
00:16:05,750 --> 00:16:09,549
So when that happens, about how many acres will National Forest

311
00:16:09,549 --> 00:16:11,970
own in Stanford?

312
00:16:11,970 --> 00:16:16,139
Good question.

313
00:16:16,139 --> 00:16:20,639
I know the current is, yeah, there's 18,000 acres

314
00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:21,860
.

315
00:16:21,860 --> 00:16:22,340
Yeah.

316
00:16:22,340 --> 00:16:29,269
I know current, yeah, currently it's 12,203 acres,

317
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:35,190
but that's according to the data base.

318
00:16:35,190 --> 00:16:36,990
So yeah, I don't know off the top of my head.

319
00:16:36,990 --> 00:16:38,389
I'll find out when we know.

320
00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:44,710
So just looking at that, it looks like maybe half a stick.

321
00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:46,309
It's roughly half.

322
00:16:46,309 --> 00:16:47,409
Half a stick.

323
00:16:47,409 --> 00:16:48,909
Oh, it's .

324
00:16:48,909 --> 00:16:52,090
Well, I think it was picked to scale to go more than half.

325
00:16:52,090 --> 00:16:53,710
It's probably a little bit over.

326
00:16:53,710 --> 00:16:54,669
It's a little bit over.

327
00:16:54,669 --> 00:16:57,899
It's over its length of .

328
00:16:57,899 --> 00:17:01,940
Put a stamp right up on 22,000.

329
00:17:01,940 --> 00:17:05,619
Anyway, but that would be it.

330
00:17:05,619 --> 00:17:06,950
Bill?

331
00:17:06,950 --> 00:17:11,109
Are there any plans to make the new set border shelter

332
00:17:11,109 --> 00:17:15,769
any more acceptable for emergency response?

333
00:17:15,769 --> 00:17:23,839
It's a pretty tough way to get in there, yeah.

334
00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:26,259
And it's a real long time to get in there now.

335
00:17:26,259 --> 00:17:26,940
Yeah.

336
00:17:26,940 --> 00:17:28,599
I don't know of any.

337
00:17:28,599 --> 00:17:30,619
I have not heard of anything immediate.

338
00:17:30,619 --> 00:17:32,779
I mean, yeah, but it is.

339
00:17:32,779 --> 00:17:35,720
Designed for a primitive setup.

340
00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:36,500
Yeah.

341
00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:37,759
Well, long hikers.

342
00:17:37,759 --> 00:17:40,099
Well, we should bring your primitive first aid.

343
00:17:40,099 --> 00:17:42,099
They're long hikers.

344
00:17:42,099 --> 00:17:45,339
Yeah, I mean, I can ask, but I have not heard that.

345
00:17:45,339 --> 00:17:47,299
I think that was part of their sort of,

346
00:17:47,299 --> 00:17:49,400
it was intentional a little bit to put it.

347
00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:54,190
I know last, late last summer or fall,

348
00:17:54,190 --> 00:17:57,359
the fire department attempted access.

349
00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:58,019
Mm-hmm.

350
00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:03,880
With our six-pack, and it just didn't work out.

351
00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:04,720
I don't think they started.

352
00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,920
Did they go off the Risky Ranch road, or?

353
00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,009
Yeah.

354
00:18:09,009 --> 00:18:11,470
And then go up out to the county, right?

355
00:18:11,470 --> 00:18:12,210
County.

356
00:18:12,210 --> 00:18:13,809
I don't know, where'd you guys move it?

357
00:18:13,809 --> 00:18:15,410
Because it used to be off of Risky Ranch.

358
00:18:15,410 --> 00:18:17,210
I would go in county, but I had mentioned

359
00:18:17,210 --> 00:18:19,450
why I didn't just hook it in from there.

360
00:18:19,450 --> 00:18:20,410
Exactly.

361
00:18:20,410 --> 00:18:22,089
You can come and look at the map here.

362
00:18:22,089 --> 00:18:26,309
I think it's actually across Risky Ranch.

363
00:18:26,309 --> 00:18:29,130
This is to, I think it's to the north of the alley.

364
00:18:29,130 --> 00:18:30,410
Across from Reno.

365
00:18:30,410 --> 00:18:31,470
You're down the highway.

366
00:18:31,470 --> 00:18:34,769
It's probably, I don't know, maybe a quarter mile across

367
00:18:34,769 --> 00:18:36,170
Risky Ranch Road.

368
00:18:36,170 --> 00:18:36,970
That's the old one.

369
00:18:36,970 --> 00:18:38,250
That's the old one, yeah.

370
00:18:38,250 --> 00:18:39,150
It's up.

371
00:18:39,150 --> 00:18:40,250
Which one?

372
00:18:40,250 --> 00:18:41,849
The other is further into the wilderness.

373
00:18:41,849 --> 00:18:46,589
Further down, or down the tunnel.

374
00:18:46,589 --> 00:18:47,650
Further down.

375
00:18:47,650 --> 00:18:48,710
Yeah, it's, um.

376
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:50,029
Out there.

377
00:18:50,029 --> 00:18:51,130
It's out there.

378
00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:52,829
Yeah.

379
00:18:52,829 --> 00:18:53,589
Thank you.

380
00:18:53,589 --> 00:18:56,950
What's allowed in there for a vehicle?

381
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:58,549
I think it's the Appalachian Trail.

382
00:18:58,549 --> 00:19:00,490
Yeah, it's the Appalachian Trail, and so.

383
00:19:00,490 --> 00:19:01,630
Oh, that's the Appalachian Trail?

384
00:19:01,630 --> 00:19:02,430
Yes.

385
00:19:02,430 --> 00:19:04,730
That's what I thought about.

386
00:19:04,730 --> 00:19:06,710
When the fire department was trying to get in.

387
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:08,910
You were trying to get in on the Appalachian Trail?

388
00:19:08,910 --> 00:19:11,269
Yeah, for an injured hacker.

389
00:19:11,269 --> 00:19:12,950
So, again, I'll ask the question.

390
00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:15,769
Emergency, what's allowed in the vehicle?

391
00:19:15,769 --> 00:19:17,369
50 feet.

392
00:19:17,369 --> 00:19:18,569
You're not going to get in there with 50 feet.

393
00:19:18,569 --> 00:19:19,869
I don't think you can't.

394
00:19:19,869 --> 00:19:21,210
It's a narrow trail.

395
00:19:21,210 --> 00:19:23,650
It's a donkey trail.

396
00:19:23,650 --> 00:19:24,509
Yeah.

397
00:19:24,509 --> 00:19:26,349
Yeah.

398
00:19:26,349 --> 00:19:29,779
So, my Arovo wouldn't go up there with tank tracks?

399
00:19:29,779 --> 00:19:30,599
Probably not.

400
00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:32,079
I mean, a winter tank, but.

401
00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:32,880
Yeah.

402
00:19:33,579 --> 00:19:34,420
It's a carry-on.

403
00:19:34,420 --> 00:19:35,240
Right.

404
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,079
It's a carry-on.

405
00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:38,079
Most of them are long hikers.

406
00:19:38,079 --> 00:19:39,759
They're ready.

407
00:19:39,759 --> 00:19:43,759
They're ready for long trails like that, anyways.

408
00:19:43,759 --> 00:19:45,319
I just stand for an emergency.

409
00:19:45,319 --> 00:19:46,220
You know what?

410
00:19:46,220 --> 00:19:49,400
At this point, our best response is our gurney

411
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:50,960
that has a single wheel.

412
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:51,859
Yes.

413
00:19:51,859 --> 00:19:53,059
That's how narrow it is.

414
00:19:53,059 --> 00:19:55,200
With a team of four or six, I mean.

415
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,599
Just different type of forest, wilderness, grass fields,

416
00:19:57,599 --> 00:20:01,700
basically.

417
00:20:01,700 --> 00:20:02,940
Just wondering.

418
00:20:02,940 --> 00:20:03,599
Yeah.

419
00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:09,230
Anybody else have questions for you?

420
00:20:09,569 --> 00:20:11,069
You speaking, too?

421
00:20:11,069 --> 00:20:11,569
Yeah.

422
00:20:11,569 --> 00:20:12,809
I was going to go over a little bit more.

423
00:20:12,809 --> 00:20:13,309
Sorry.

424
00:20:13,309 --> 00:20:15,509
Stacy Stratton, the timber manager.

425
00:20:15,509 --> 00:20:17,569
And I probably have met some of you here before.

426
00:20:17,569 --> 00:20:18,410
Maybe not.

427
00:20:18,410 --> 00:20:19,890
It's been a while.

428
00:20:19,890 --> 00:20:23,089
So, like the roaring brook sale and the carnal brook sale,

429
00:20:23,089 --> 00:20:25,839
there's probably going to be some summer harvesting on it.

430
00:20:25,839 --> 00:20:28,380
And that's kind of at Lumberholms, though.

431
00:20:28,380 --> 00:20:31,420
So, they're planning to go in there and try to do some

432
00:20:31,420 --> 00:20:33,039
harvesting when it dries out.

433
00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:35,279
Did they start harvesting there last year?

434
00:20:35,279 --> 00:20:35,779
They did.

435
00:20:35,779 --> 00:20:36,960
And then they got kind of pushed out.

436
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,480
And that's a lot of them that are overwashed out.

437
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,599
So, we're going to try.

438
00:20:39,759 --> 00:20:41,460
We've got some that are probably going to try and fix

439
00:20:41,460 --> 00:20:42,960
that roar up a little bit better, you know,

440
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,359
for people to get in and out of there.

441
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,859
And so, yeah.

442
00:20:46,859 --> 00:20:50,720
So, that's the two sales that are going.

443
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,529
I don't see any plans for Maltese or Broadbrook.

444
00:20:55,529 --> 00:20:59,420
So, the other ones do have some of the wood in them.

445
00:20:59,420 --> 00:21:03,150
Does Dutch Hill show one here?

446
00:21:03,150 --> 00:21:04,109
No, probably too far.

447
00:21:04,109 --> 00:21:05,650
But Dutch Hill is another sale.

448
00:21:05,650 --> 00:21:07,279
You know, it's kind of on the edge.

449
00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:11,329
That hunter excavation also owns that one.

450
00:21:11,329 --> 00:21:15,089
They've got five sales on the district sale.

451
00:21:15,089 --> 00:21:20,099
Well, they've purchased and are operating on it.

452
00:21:20,099 --> 00:21:21,980
Just wanted to let you know about the summer stuff that's

453
00:21:21,980 --> 00:21:24,940
in there and, you know, in case people come in and recreate

454
00:21:24,940 --> 00:21:26,339
or whatever, you know, there's going to be signs.

455
00:21:26,339 --> 00:21:30,910
And we'll try to, you know, be a lot better

456
00:21:30,910 --> 00:21:35,299
about contacting the neighbors, you know, when they're coming in.

457
00:21:35,299 --> 00:21:38,039
Because I've contacted them before, but then over COVID,

458
00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:40,140
everyone's kind of sold their houses and people moved in

459
00:21:40,140 --> 00:21:41,680
and they just didn't get passed on.

460
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,640
Then there'd be a lot of truck going by their house.

461
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,839
So, I got a lot of phone calls.

462
00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:49,640
So, I've got some new things to do and new people to contact.

463
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,230
So.

464
00:21:51,230 --> 00:21:56,680
So, it's basically going up Mill Road and then up 264th?

465
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,680
And it's probably, you know, probably all going east.

466
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,700
That's, I think, the Kennebec Lumber is in New Hampshire.

467
00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:04,839
I think it's kind of where Hunter's been kind of going out,

468
00:22:04,839 --> 00:22:09,140
going east and then up 8th to 9th and wherever he goes from there.

469
00:22:09,140 --> 00:22:12,039
But, so if anyone's got any interest in it, I mean,

470
00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:13,819
I've always come down here and went out to work here

471
00:22:13,819 --> 00:22:15,119
and dropped off sale packages.

472
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,420
But if a town's interested in knowing,

473
00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:19,660
even though we don't have any more planned sales down here

474
00:22:19,660 --> 00:22:21,859
to sell, if they want to know when we're operating

475
00:22:21,859 --> 00:22:23,420
or they want to know the rest of the towns

476
00:22:23,420 --> 00:22:24,859
in Vermont that we have on the district

477
00:22:24,859 --> 00:22:28,359
where we're harvesting, if you just send Martina an email

478
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,259
and I can put you on my list and you just get an email

479
00:22:30,259 --> 00:22:31,660
with like a good letter on it.

480
00:22:31,660 --> 00:22:32,660
And if you want more information,

481
00:22:32,660 --> 00:22:34,759
I can send it to you electronically

482
00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:37,140
if anyone's interested.

483
00:22:37,140 --> 00:22:38,500
We try to do everything electronically now.

484
00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:40,240
It's a lot cheaper on stamps and letters.

485
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,319
And by the time you hear about it through snail mail,

486
00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:43,720
it's probably already two weeks old.

487
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,319
So, there's not much time to react.

488
00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:50,319
So, and this map here like Martina has, you know,

489
00:22:50,319 --> 00:22:52,119
it's available and we can send it to you electronically.

490
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,920
So, if you want to put it on your website or you want

491
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,059
to print it off someplace else,

492
00:22:55,059 --> 00:23:00,009
if somebody wants it, we can send it.

493
00:23:00,009 --> 00:23:01,569
And I think a lot of this probably is,

494
00:23:01,569 --> 00:23:04,170
I don't know if you've heard of Avenza.

495
00:23:04,170 --> 00:23:07,369
It works on your cell phone or tablet

496
00:23:07,369 --> 00:23:08,630
and it's just a GPS system.

497
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:09,630
It's pretty.

498
00:23:09,630 --> 00:23:11,730
And like I think that map is probably,

499
00:23:11,730 --> 00:23:12,930
because if you put this on your phone,

500
00:23:12,930 --> 00:23:17,720
you can probably navigate with it.

501
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,539
Dave, how's our roads up there?

502
00:23:19,539 --> 00:23:24,279
Because we only go up to Tim's, but not even that far.

503
00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:26,819
Well, it's a trail.

504
00:23:26,819 --> 00:23:28,319
Part of it's a town trail.

505
00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:29,460
Yeah, that's right, yeah.

506
00:23:29,460 --> 00:23:30,599
I haven't been up there in a while,

507
00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:32,019
so I really couldn't tell.

508
00:23:32,019 --> 00:23:33,839
We walked in there in the spring and, you know,

509
00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:35,599
and that was, you know, the spring and it was still snow

510
00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:39,029
and ice in there, but the road wasn't in too bad shape

511
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:40,819
last fall.

512
00:23:40,819 --> 00:23:43,539
It's still not perfect.

513
00:23:43,539 --> 00:23:45,980
Amazing how much water comes down that road.

514
00:23:45,980 --> 00:23:48,119
We just fixed it up to the spec, you know,

515
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,420
all our specs and then it's all washed out.

516
00:23:50,420 --> 00:23:56,519
So, it's amazing how much came down through there.

517
00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:57,819
There's no other questions.

518
00:23:57,819 --> 00:23:59,700
Are we all set?

519
00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:02,700
These sails, is that just lumber?

520
00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:04,559
Well, there's pulp and saw logs in there, you know,

521
00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:06,460
whatever they need to do.

522
00:24:06,460 --> 00:24:07,900
Yeah, just lumber.

523
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:10,460
Yeah, yeah, the timber sails.

524
00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:13,500
So, we offer those, like this district, you know,

525
00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:16,839
this town and, you know, three or four of them on here,

526
00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:20,140
you know, this is all, you know, land that we accrued.

527
00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:22,680
Was it from the North Adams Water District?

528
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:23,539
Yeah.

529
00:24:23,539 --> 00:24:25,339
And so, as you know, this area down here

530
00:24:25,339 --> 00:24:27,019
gets a lot of snow and a lot of ice.

531
00:24:27,019 --> 00:24:29,759
And so, a lot of these sands were hydrated

532
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:31,579
before we bought them and so the health of them

533
00:24:31,579 --> 00:24:34,119
is pretty poor, so that's what we're trying to, you know,

534
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:40,359
we're trying to do our best to do our best to do our best

535
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,359
to do our best to do our best to do our best to do our best.

536
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,359
Yeah.

537
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,359
Thank you.

538
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,359
Thank you very much.

539
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,170
Yeah, thank you.

540
00:24:49,170 --> 00:24:50,170
What are you doing over there?

541
00:24:50,170 --> 00:24:51,170
Oh, okay.

542
00:24:51,170 --> 00:24:52,170
Oh, thanks.

543
00:24:52,170 --> 00:24:53,170
You're welcome.

544
00:24:53,170 --> 00:24:54,170
Thank you.

545
00:24:54,170 --> 00:24:55,170
All right.

546
00:24:55,170 --> 00:24:56,170
Again, I'll get back to Lori in terms of a follow-up question.

547
00:24:56,170 --> 00:24:57,170
All right.

548
00:24:57,170 --> 00:24:58,170
Okay.

549
00:24:58,170 --> 00:24:59,170
Thank you.

550
00:24:59,170 --> 00:25:00,170
Thank you.

551
00:25:00,170 --> 00:25:01,170
You're welcome.

552
00:25:01,170 --> 00:25:02,170
Good to see you.

553
00:25:02,170 --> 00:25:03,170
Thank you.

554
00:25:03,170 --> 00:25:04,170
You probably sleep on that one, too.

555
00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:05,170
Okay.

556
00:25:05,170 --> 00:25:06,170
There's something out there.

557
00:25:06,170 --> 00:25:07,170
I'll have a good night.

558
00:25:07,170 --> 00:25:08,170
Thank you.

559
00:25:08,170 --> 00:25:09,170
Thanks.

560
00:25:09,170 --> 00:25:10,170
Good to see you.

561
00:25:10,170 --> 00:25:10,670
Thanks.

562
00:25:10,769 --> 00:25:11,769
Have a good night.

563
00:25:11,769 --> 00:25:12,769
You too.

564
00:25:12,769 --> 00:25:15,150
Have a good night.

565
00:25:15,150 --> 00:25:29,269
Bye-bye.

566
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:37,160
I'd like to discuss what happened at the last Planet Board meeting when we tried to

567
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,160
reorganize.

568
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:45,190
The only people we had available to show was the Vice Chair, the Chair of Head Design.

569
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:53,670
And when we tried to put it together, it ended up being a lot of controversy in terms of

570
00:25:53,670 --> 00:25:56,670
motions made and then motions being made behind it.

571
00:25:56,670 --> 00:25:57,670
Okay.

572
00:25:57,670 --> 00:25:58,670
So, the end result is we ended up in a 3-3 split, so nothing was done.

573
00:25:58,670 --> 00:25:59,670
But one of the things that was brought up during the meeting, and I'm still befuddled

574
00:25:59,670 --> 00:26:00,670
how it was done, other than through ex parte communication, was to have the select board

575
00:26:00,670 --> 00:26:01,670
ex officio become the chairman.

576
00:26:01,670 --> 00:26:02,670
And I felt for a variety of reasons that wasn't a good idea.

577
00:26:02,670 --> 00:26:03,670
Well, David, that was my idea.

578
00:26:03,670 --> 00:26:04,670
That's fine.

579
00:26:04,670 --> 00:26:05,670
I'm going to take it.

580
00:26:05,670 --> 00:26:06,670
I'm going to take it.

581
00:26:06,670 --> 00:26:07,670
Okay.

582
00:26:07,670 --> 00:26:08,670
Thank you.

583
00:26:08,670 --> 00:26:09,670
Thank you.

584
00:26:09,670 --> 00:26:10,670
Thank you.

585
00:26:10,670 --> 00:26:11,670
Thank you.

586
00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:12,670
Thank you.

587
00:26:12,670 --> 00:26:13,670
Thank you.

588
00:26:13,670 --> 00:26:14,670
Thank you.

589
00:26:14,670 --> 00:26:15,670
Thank you.

590
00:26:15,670 --> 00:26:16,670
Thank you.

591
00:26:16,670 --> 00:26:17,670
Thank you.

592
00:26:17,670 --> 00:26:18,670
Thank you.

593
00:26:18,670 --> 00:26:19,670
Thank you.

594
00:26:19,670 --> 00:26:20,960
Thank you.

595
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:21,960
Thank you.

596
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:22,960
Thank you.

597
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:23,960
Thank you.

598
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:24,960
Thank you.

599
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,960
Thank you.

600
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:26,960
That was my idea.

601
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,019
That's fine.

602
00:26:28,019 --> 00:26:30,019
Just clearing up saying that you didn't know how.

603
00:26:30,019 --> 00:26:35,279
No, what I'm saying is, a lot of people seem to be aware.

604
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:43,279
So, I don't know how...what came out of that, was that somebody had called the VLCT, and

605
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,279
they said that it was okay.

606
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:46,279
I wrote to them.

607
00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:54,279
So right off the bat I had an issue in terms of being on the Board...anybody calling anyone,

608
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:55,339
especially graduates, anybody, 입니다.

609
00:26:55,339 --> 00:26:56,339
Good Lord.

610
00:26:56,339 --> 00:27:02,420
legal it's a board decision not an individual decision and i you know i can overlook this at

611
00:27:02,420 --> 00:27:09,220
this time but whether i'm on the select board as chair or whatever when people need to get

612
00:27:09,220 --> 00:27:16,420
information that's a board decision different people let me can i can i can i finish please

613
00:27:17,059 --> 00:27:20,500
i i really need to be able to speak without being interrupted

614
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:38,130
i i talked about for the board for somebody to talk about the board without the board voting on

615
00:27:38,130 --> 00:27:45,089
it i think is a problem but let me let me uh i i would like to somebody somebody to expound on

616
00:27:45,089 --> 00:27:51,089
why they think the dlcp says it's okay because i got an awful lot of information that says it's not

617
00:27:52,049 --> 00:27:57,970
okay well i don't think we need to argue this i'm not arguing we'll discuss it here yeah why not

618
00:27:58,769 --> 00:28:04,579
because it's more of a planning commission i mean the glpc are the lawyers of the people you go to

619
00:28:04,579 --> 00:28:11,140
for legal advice right and when i did my day for avoid training i um i understood maybe i'm

620
00:28:11,140 --> 00:28:16,099
out of place but i understood that i could ask people questions and they gave me their address

621
00:28:16,099 --> 00:28:21,700
to ask any questions i had and so i did and i'm not allowed to ask the vlp

622
00:28:21,779 --> 00:28:28,019
any questions it's my understanding that i agree with kirk it's my understanding that we for

623
00:28:28,019 --> 00:28:32,579
informational purposes we can ask questions that would be obviously i can call them off

624
00:28:32,579 --> 00:28:38,019
ask questions a decision cannot be made of course the rest of the world i just wanted to know

625
00:28:40,099 --> 00:28:47,380
it's a tool almost like an internet tool we just did a training session and there's a website

626
00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:52,079
that we were told you can go on and we don't have to ask a board of

627
00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:57,279
power member to go on we can just go on for informational purposes just to get educated on

628
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:01,920
a subject matter then when you go to your board and you talk to the board you can give that

629
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:09,519
information to the board and they will hear it as far as the slack board being a chair i don't even

630
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:14,799
know if you're are you even going now or i mean yeah but i don't know if you've ever heard for

631
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:20,160
a while i think i was always going to be going again in the last meeting unless i misunderstood

632
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,000
what we decided here is that i was

633
00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:26,359
it's still going to be the ex-officio and still go to the board meetings.

634
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,140
I think we were negligent.

635
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,539
We didn't make a motion, but we just continued going current.

636
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:35,519
So, I mean, you can name up to two ex-officios if you want to.

637
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:39,180
The way I understand it, as this board, you could name someone else as an ex-officio

638
00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:41,019
to the plan where you wanted to.

639
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:44,819
So the question was posed, as I see it, to the DLPC,

640
00:29:45,339 --> 00:29:47,680
can an ex-officio be a chairman of the board?

641
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,259
That was basically a simple question, and the answer was yes.

642
00:29:51,259 --> 00:29:53,240
There's nothing to say that they can't be.

643
00:29:54,259 --> 00:29:55,940
That's the advice that legal gave.

644
00:29:56,059 --> 00:29:57,579
There's no legal advice to be found.

645
00:29:57,900 --> 00:30:01,440
I don't know who else we would go to for information if we can't be an ex-officio.

646
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,079
Well, then I would say, just as a flight board member,

647
00:30:05,259 --> 00:30:07,500
I would say that I would agree with Mianci then.

648
00:30:07,579 --> 00:30:11,380
If the answer's yes, the answer's yes, and Mianci says it's yes,

649
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:15,980
then it's a planning board decision to vote on, not the flight board.

650
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:16,759
Right, exactly.

651
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:19,880
So I really personally have no skin in the game whatsoever.

652
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,220
I thought it was a logic.

653
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:25,079
I don't think it's a logical thing for this planning board to do because, A,

654
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:28,779
it's almost beneficial that I'm a non-voting member of the situation.

655
00:30:28,779 --> 00:30:30,460
I can just manage the meetings.

656
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,019
They can go on in a orderly fashion, which they never do.

657
00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:39,339
They're a scatterbrained mess at these meetings, and anyone that went the other day

658
00:30:39,339 --> 00:30:40,980
for the first time can attest to that.

659
00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:44,019
I'm just trying to keep order and functionality to it.

660
00:30:44,019 --> 00:30:46,859
I don't see any conflict of interest at all.

661
00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:51,240
I'm not going to vote on that board, so I don't see the conflict.

662
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:53,759
Including this vote, you wouldn't be able to vote.

663
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:56,160
Like, they wanted to bring us on.

664
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:02,759
If Lisa made a motion, got a second, and it was legal to do, you wouldn't be able to vote for it.

665
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:03,960
I saw it the other night.

666
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,359
So it was three, it was three.

667
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:09,200
So I'd like to finish my, I don't know why you got off on this tangent.

668
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,160
I'd really like just to finish what I have to say.

669
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,140
Hold on a minute.

670
00:31:12,140 --> 00:31:18,859
Kurt, but you can, as a member of the board, as a physio, you can still offer your opinion,

671
00:31:18,859 --> 00:31:21,279
discuss things along the way.

672
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:21,299
Yeah.

673
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,559
I could have all the input.

674
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:28,599
I could, you know, if I was the chair, I would just manage the meeting, and they, I just, you know,

675
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:32,779
basically put whatever's on the table on the table, and the voting body would vote for it.

676
00:31:32,779 --> 00:31:35,759
In your opinion, you can offer that, too, or your expertise?

677
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:39,079
I mean, there's even arguments to be made now, and I didn't know this before,

678
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:40,720
that the ex-officials can even vote.

679
00:31:41,059 --> 00:31:46,339
I'm not asking to do that, because that, I believe, would be a conflict,

680
00:31:46,339 --> 00:31:48,480
if I'm voting on two different boards, but I'm not.

681
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,559
I'm only going to be voting on this board.

682
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:51,279
I'm just trying to.

683
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:52,519
How many members do you have on your board?

684
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:54,359
We have seven, but I just need to clarify.

685
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:55,460
We're rambling here.

686
00:31:55,460 --> 00:31:57,460
I just want to get my points across.

687
00:31:57,460 --> 00:31:58,359
I thought you were finished.

688
00:31:58,359 --> 00:31:58,640
Okay.

689
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,359
What do you mean?

690
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:00,400
I didn't even get the start.

691
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,779
Oh, jeez.

692
00:32:02,059 --> 00:32:02,240
Okay.

693
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:08,680
So, let me address what they're saying, in fact, the VLCP told me I could do it.

694
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,460
Can a select person also serve on the plan?

695
00:32:10,460 --> 00:32:11,599
A is me, just want to clarify.

696
00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:12,539
Excuse me, please.

697
00:32:12,539 --> 00:32:15,359
No, I just want to clarify that A is me.

698
00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:19,819
Okay. I just, let me finish, please, and then you can have your say.

699
00:32:19,819 --> 00:32:21,240
Can a select person also serve on the plan?

700
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,039
I'm on the planning commission or a zoning board of adjustment.

701
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:28,299
This is research I did years ago when I was on the select board and whatever.

702
00:32:28,299 --> 00:32:33,180
Adjustment development review board, select person can serve as the administrative officer.

703
00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:35,299
The answer is yes, yes.

704
00:32:35,299 --> 00:32:38,579
There are not statutorily incompatible offices.

705
00:32:38,579 --> 00:32:45,000
However, holding these dual positions presents multiple opportunities for the appearance of,

706
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,859
as well as an actual conflict of interest.

707
00:32:47,859 --> 00:32:51,220
While most of the conflicts discussed below are direct

708
00:32:51,220 --> 00:32:53,240
personal conflicts of interest.

709
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:58,819
A select person, a direct financial conflict of interest can also arise in a town

710
00:32:58,819 --> 00:33:02,640
where the select board sets compensation for town and office.

711
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:11,650
There are a whole array of reasons why the select board is an ex-officio.

712
00:33:11,650 --> 00:33:14,450
So, let me just read this little part to you here.

713
00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:16,390
Let me finish, please.

714
00:33:16,390 --> 00:33:17,650
What year was this stuff?

715
00:33:17,650 --> 00:33:18,890
This is all up to date.

716
00:33:18,890 --> 00:33:20,890
A planning commission shall have not less than three,

717
00:33:20,890 --> 00:33:22,950
no more than nine voting members.

718
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:27,609
All members may be compensated and reimbursed by the municipality at necessary reason.

719
00:33:27,609 --> 00:33:32,329
At least the majority of the members of the planning commission shall be residents of the municipality.

720
00:33:32,329 --> 00:33:38,849
The select board of a rural town, which we are, not more than two elected or appointed officials

721
00:33:38,849 --> 00:33:43,430
of an urban municipality are chosen by a legislative body,

722
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:49,099
shall be non-voting ex-officio members of the planning commission.

723
00:33:49,099 --> 00:33:51,019
So, that's up to date.

724
00:33:51,019 --> 00:33:58,500
That's, uh, you can look it up yourself, uh, 24 VSA 4-43-22.

725
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:04,380
So, just to carry this out a little further, when we had a select board member on, uh,

726
00:34:04,380 --> 00:34:10,380
Dan, uh, for a long time, he was on the select board as a member, and he was also a voting

727
00:34:10,380 --> 00:34:14,480
official, uh, on the, uh, planning commission.

728
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,940
At that point, I felt, uh, that huge conflict.

729
00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:17,940
We were doing the town plan.

730
00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:18,940
We were doing the town planning.

731
00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:19,940
We were doing the town planning.

732
00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:20,940
We were doing the town planning.

733
00:34:21,019 --> 00:34:22,019
We were doing the town planning.

734
00:34:22,019 --> 00:34:23,400
We were doing the town planning.

735
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:31,230
Um, he was giving input for the, um, uh, for the planning commission, then going to the

736
00:34:31,230 --> 00:34:33,170
select board and voting on it.

737
00:34:33,170 --> 00:34:39,349
You can't legislate in one group and then adjudicate in another, and they're very clear

738
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:40,349
on that.

739
00:34:40,349 --> 00:34:46,670
Uh, and, and, though, and, you know, I blame the VLC team in the state of Vermont for this,

740
00:34:46,670 --> 00:34:51,650
because in one breath they're allowing it, but in the next breath they're saying very

741
00:34:51,650 --> 00:34:54,000
clearly, um, not recommended.

742
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,000
The statutes of, uh, select board also serve the zoning board of adjustment and development

743
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,000
review board.

744
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,559
Therefore, a municipal assistance center, uh, considers the practice permitted, but

745
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:10,460
does not recommend it because of the following possible scenarios.

746
00:35:10,460 --> 00:35:16,000
So if you want to take the time per, to read the laws, uh, as, uh, annotated from the,

747
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,000
uh, uh, VLCT and lawyers, it clearly says they don't want it.

748
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,000
It makes it, it makes it impossible for them to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to,

749
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,000
to, to breathe together.

750
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,940
Even if someone wanted to ask a young woman for help, uh, if they didn't have that right

751
00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:27,619
document, they wouldn't because she couldn't 2013 assault them.

752
00:35:27,619 --> 00:35:34,980
To get their rights to back up, you're not allowed here at the VLC, at the city hall,

753
00:35:34,980 --> 00:35:37,820
you're not, you're not entitled to that ballot.

754
00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:38,820
No.

755
00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:47,179
I'm not, I wouldn't do that in the state of Vermont, but I should know this right now.

756
00:35:47,179 --> 00:35:49,260
We, we, we are, we are, we should know that the transfer of, of federal funding does also

757
00:35:49,260 --> 00:35:50,260
women should be allowed to enter the play area.

758
00:35:50,260 --> 00:35:50,960
Uh, okay.

759
00:35:51,039 --> 00:36:10,039
I can't be counselor, I can't be treasurer, so I can pretty much be on every other board.

760
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:11,039
Right.

761
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:15,039
So you can't have, because we're a small town, we don't get the volunteers.

762
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:16,039
Although we get a lot of volunteers.

763
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:21,039
We've got nine people on the board.

764
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:26,039
You actually mentioned that you don't want to be a voting member.

765
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:33,039
When this board appoints that board, that's the authority we do have.

766
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:36,039
And we also have the authority to remove.

767
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:39,550
We have the authority to appoint or remove.

768
00:36:39,550 --> 00:36:46,320
When we do that, we can set any stipulation we want.

769
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:52,409
You're allowed to be chair if you're voted in, but we don't want you to be a voter.

770
00:36:52,409 --> 00:36:53,409
We could do that.

771
00:36:53,409 --> 00:36:56,409
I'm not saying we would, I'm saying we could.

772
00:36:56,409 --> 00:37:07,199
I'm also saying that I truly believe that, and I guess what I'm looking at right now is what do you want from this board?

773
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:08,199
Right.

774
00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:11,199
I wanted to address your comment where you just said that.

775
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:17,329
If he becomes a member of the board voting,

776
00:37:17,329 --> 00:37:22,329
and then the select board decides to remove him,

777
00:37:22,329 --> 00:37:28,329
all he has to do is say no, because you have to have a complete vote of yes on your board.

778
00:37:28,329 --> 00:37:29,329
I'm not going to vote.

779
00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:30,329
Well, excuse me.

780
00:37:30,329 --> 00:37:33,329
Please, understand what I'm saying here.

781
00:37:33,329 --> 00:37:38,329
You have to have a unanimous vote on your board to remove the chair.

782
00:37:38,329 --> 00:37:42,329
If you allow him as a select board member to be chair, he just votes no.

783
00:37:42,329 --> 00:37:43,329
You can't do it.

784
00:37:43,329 --> 00:37:44,329
Right.

785
00:37:44,329 --> 00:37:45,329
And what that is is instant lawsuit.

786
00:37:45,329 --> 00:37:46,329
That is true.

787
00:37:46,329 --> 00:37:47,329
Okay.

788
00:37:47,329 --> 00:37:48,329
Instant lawsuit.

789
00:37:48,329 --> 00:37:55,329
Didn't you just read that an ex-officio is not a voting member of the planning committee?

790
00:37:55,329 --> 00:37:56,360
Yes.

791
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,360
Well, why are you saying he's voting?

792
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:04,360
Because once he becomes chair, the chair has to vote because they're the tiebreaker.

793
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,679
Look.

794
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:07,679
I'm just being honest with you.

795
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:08,679
Look it up.

796
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:09,679
Don't take my word for it.

797
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:10,679
Don't take my word for it.

798
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:11,679
Two, two.

799
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:14,679
I want to do it because I think I'm the best person for the job to do it.

800
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:15,679
Good for you.

801
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:16,679
Period.

802
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:17,679
If they don't want me to do it, fine.

803
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:18,679
I've got plenty of stuff going on.

804
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:19,679
I don't need to do it.

805
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:20,679
Nobody's questioning your ability.

806
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:21,679
I'm not doing any of this stuff for me, Dave.

807
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:22,679
Kirk, nobody's questioning your ability.

808
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:23,679
I'm not doing any of this stuff for me.

809
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:24,679
All right?

810
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:25,679
None of this is for me.

811
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:26,679
Kirk, we've worked together on boards for almost 20 years.

812
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:27,679
Well, I'd like to ask one question.

813
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:28,679
It's not an issue.

814
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:29,679
I'd like to ask one question to this board.

815
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:30,679
If any board that we appoint has a tie of...

816
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:31,679
So you said an ex-officio, right?

817
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:32,679
Yes.

818
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:33,679
An ex-officio.

819
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:34,679
An ex-officio.

820
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:35,679
An ex-officio.

821
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:36,679
An ex-officio.

822
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:37,679
An ex-officio.

823
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:38,679
So you said there's a tie on this vote of chair.

824
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:39,679
Yeah.

825
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:40,679
Okay?

826
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:41,679
Because there is no chair, so no one's there to break the crowd.

827
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:42,679
.

828
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:43,679
If there is a tie, what do we do from there?

829
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:44,679
Is there...

830
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:45,750
There shouldn't be, though.

831
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:46,750
There's one member who's missing.

832
00:38:46,750 --> 00:38:47,750
So we...

833
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:48,750
There's seven members.

834
00:38:48,750 --> 00:38:49,750
Oh, okay.

835
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:50,750
But there could...

836
00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:51,750
Someone could say, I abstain.

837
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:52,750
Don't want to...

838
00:38:52,750 --> 00:38:53,750
Someone could...

839
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:54,750
I don't know.

840
00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:55,750
I don't know.

841
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:56,750
I don't know.

842
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:57,750
I don't know.

843
00:38:57,750 --> 00:39:00,250
I don't know.

844
00:39:00,250 --> 00:39:01,250
I don't know.

845
00:39:01,250 --> 00:39:02,250
I don't know.

846
00:39:02,250 --> 00:39:03,250
I don't know.

847
00:39:03,250 --> 00:39:04,250
I don't know.

848
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:05,250
I don't know.

849
00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:06,250
I don't know.

850
00:39:06,250 --> 00:39:07,250
I don't know.

851
00:39:07,250 --> 00:39:08,250
I don't know.

852
00:39:08,250 --> 00:39:14,730
abstain don't want to vote the chair generally makes the deciding vote okay we proceeded because

853
00:39:14,730 --> 00:39:20,969
i mean we just i mean i suppose we could just proceed as sheila being the ex-vice chair and

854
00:39:20,969 --> 00:39:24,329
you know as a temporary chair or whatever until the vote's decided about

855
00:39:24,889 --> 00:39:30,329
you know the rationale i won't let it go on too long the rationale behind that curve was i'm just

856
00:39:30,329 --> 00:39:34,409
doing it because i think i'm the best i'm the best person for the job that's not different

857
00:39:34,409 --> 00:39:39,610
you know i think you're very good i don't know if you're the best person you're very good you

858
00:39:39,610 --> 00:39:46,199
brought this to our attention okay but i think it's a planning commission decision well it's

859
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:52,599
your decision too because you put you put the exhibition i'm going to stand by our motion that

860
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:59,800
we did last week or we didn't do it we just implied her please be exhibition yeah i mean

861
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:04,920
i do

862
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:14,679
have i i still have a question right uh because of their dave is correct with the vote and dave is

863
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:20,599
correct with this vote if we remove any board member asking unanimous we can't remove without

864
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:29,150
we can appoint but we can't remove unless it's unanimous i know that so when there is a tie and

865
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:35,550
the chair has to break that tie and you're not a voter how do you do that if the chair has to break

866
00:40:35,550 --> 00:40:36,030
the time

867
00:40:36,110 --> 00:40:42,269
a non-voter yeah i don't know i don't know if you don't that's why i'm bringing this up

868
00:40:42,269 --> 00:40:47,309
i mean we've had meetings before we've had people at it we've had there were six people at them

869
00:40:47,309 --> 00:40:50,349
how do you break i mean how do you break a tie with that right

870
00:40:57,869 --> 00:41:04,989
we have a seven-man board you can't you don't only have you can't die right right

871
00:41:04,989 --> 00:41:11,800
right you can't tie with a seven-man board it convolutes the chairman being the select one

872
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,599
member when you're supposed to be exceptional do you understand what's going on here bill

873
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:24,119
so can we just move on here and go to the plan efficient and just try to work together that's

874
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:31,320
oh we are that's why you want to be on the planet it's certainly not for the seven oh okay okay okay

875
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,079
i thought he was going to be the second yeah

876
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:33,719
yeah

877
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:41,880
oh okay i understand it became a very hostile meeting uh there was a lot of things said that

878
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:48,199
should have been said i heard not a chair you can't get it i i urge you to listen to the tape

879
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:53,639
according to me okay then you'll understand why i'm here so without a chair you can't get it back

880
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:55,400
in the line but someone wasn't there correct

881
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:04,119
and my reason is because i think eric wouldn't draw the meeting back together it was chaotic

882
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:28,539
uh sable's calm force there's some industry dream about her like i said i'll step away from the

883
00:42:28,539 --> 00:42:34,829
whole thing at best but people think the best thing is to do my work which you know i wouldn't

884
00:42:34,829 --> 00:42:49,449
think that'd be a good move thank you any other hearing visitors all right reading and approval

885
00:42:49,449 --> 00:43:15,739
records in order no conditions participate in grants where is this uh project going to be

886
00:43:16,780 --> 00:43:17,340
great

887
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:21,739
okay just say you want to just say yes

888
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:45,130
and there's no guarantee that we would get it oh we will oh we will okay oh we don't know

889
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,119
they've already pretty much told us the amount of money we'll get right yeah

890
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:59,920
so i have to pick a crowd you can pick after the break for 20 local match which i'm sure you've

891
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,119
figured out that you have enough money and yeah normally

892
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:09,130
time covers that but our time equipment so we don't end up putting money in

893
00:44:12,429 --> 00:44:18,940
we typically end up taking money in on these you have an idea where you're gonna do this

894
00:44:19,099 --> 00:44:23,789
right here i don't want to say this it's not going to prove okay

895
00:44:24,030 --> 00:44:30,039
if i have a motion can i sign it already

896
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:33,199
together yes sure

897
00:44:46,829 --> 00:44:53,420
no we have a letter to uh came to glory

898
00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:55,349
can you back up your paper?

899
00:44:55,469 --> 00:44:56,469
Yeah, yeah.

900
00:44:56,469 --> 00:44:57,469
I think, you know,

901
00:44:57,469 --> 00:44:58,469
a bunch of construction.

902
00:44:58,469 --> 00:44:59,469
Yep.

903
00:44:59,469 --> 00:45:01,469
I just gave a familiar letter

904
00:45:01,469 --> 00:45:04,469
that somebody wanted you to fix their culverts,

905
00:45:04,469 --> 00:45:07,469
but you said it's their own culvert?

906
00:45:07,469 --> 00:45:09,469
Yeah, it's their driveway culvert.

907
00:45:09,469 --> 00:45:12,469
So we should send them a letter saying it's their driveway culvert.

908
00:45:12,469 --> 00:45:15,469
It says they need to assess the problem.

909
00:45:15,469 --> 00:45:18,469
It takes a little time, but you can once you,

910
00:45:18,469 --> 00:45:19,469
you saw that.

911
00:45:19,469 --> 00:45:20,469
It was crossed by the line there.

912
00:45:20,469 --> 00:45:23,469
I've spoken with this individual a couple of times.

913
00:45:23,469 --> 00:45:25,469
He's not happy with this.

914
00:45:25,469 --> 00:45:28,469
When you draft a response to the board,

915
00:45:28,469 --> 00:45:31,469
can you also capture the part of our ordinance

916
00:45:31,469 --> 00:45:34,469
called driveway culverts?

917
00:45:34,469 --> 00:45:42,199
I mean, we don't.

918
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:44,199
Where it said the town installed culverts.

919
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:46,199
That's not a culvert, right?

920
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:47,199
Not driveway culverts.

921
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:48,199
No.

922
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:50,199
That's what I was just going to get to.

923
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:51,199
That's not the problem.

924
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:53,199
We don't install people's driveway culverts.

925
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:54,199
Right.

926
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:55,199
That's their access.

927
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:57,199
It's their responsibility if they wear clothes.

928
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:58,199
It says,

929
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:04,019
installed and forever maintained by the property owner.

930
00:46:04,019 --> 00:46:05,019
Okay.

931
00:46:05,019 --> 00:46:07,019
So we attach something like that to.

932
00:46:07,019 --> 00:46:08,019
Matter of fact, we could say,

933
00:46:08,019 --> 00:46:09,019
hey, fix your color.

934
00:46:09,019 --> 00:46:10,019
Yeah, we could.

935
00:46:10,019 --> 00:46:11,019
Yeah.

936
00:46:11,019 --> 00:46:12,019
Yes.

937
00:46:12,019 --> 00:46:13,019
Yeah.

938
00:46:13,019 --> 00:46:14,019
First of all, it's washing up the roads.

939
00:46:14,019 --> 00:46:15,019
It's not a paved road.

940
00:46:15,019 --> 00:46:16,019
It's not a paved road.

941
00:46:16,019 --> 00:46:18,019
And the road, the water typically,

942
00:46:18,019 --> 00:46:20,019
you don't have to go around it.

943
00:46:20,019 --> 00:46:22,019
It doesn't cause a trouble.

944
00:46:22,019 --> 00:46:25,019
I'm trying to .

945
00:46:25,019 --> 00:46:26,019
But in this case,

946
00:46:26,019 --> 00:46:27,019
they're trying to get us to do it.

947
00:46:27,019 --> 00:46:31,329
So I guess it's on them now.

948
00:46:31,329 --> 00:46:34,329
What else do you have on roads?

949
00:46:34,329 --> 00:46:37,329
I do have the sweeper coming at some point,

950
00:46:37,329 --> 00:46:40,329
but this has been a problem for years now,

951
00:46:40,329 --> 00:46:42,489
you know, scheduling.

952
00:46:42,489 --> 00:46:44,489
They schedule, but don't show up.

953
00:46:44,489 --> 00:46:45,489
I'll let you know one day.

954
00:46:45,489 --> 00:46:46,489
So it's kind of, yeah,

955
00:46:46,489 --> 00:46:49,489
I'll get the day or two warning,

956
00:46:49,489 --> 00:46:50,489
and then I'll know for sure.

957
00:46:50,489 --> 00:46:53,489
But they were supposed to be here the week of the 15th,

958
00:46:53,489 --> 00:46:54,489
so we're past that.

959
00:46:54,489 --> 00:46:55,489
So what do you sweep?

960
00:46:55,489 --> 00:46:56,489
What is the roads?

961
00:46:56,489 --> 00:46:59,489
The pavement and the school parking lot.

962
00:46:59,489 --> 00:47:00,619
Yeah.

963
00:47:00,619 --> 00:47:02,619
You don't do the main drag.

964
00:47:02,619 --> 00:47:04,619
Just in front of the sidewalk.

965
00:47:04,619 --> 00:47:06,619
Just because of the sidewalk now,

966
00:47:06,619 --> 00:47:09,619
because I sweep the sidewalk off on the shoulder.

967
00:47:09,619 --> 00:47:12,619
So like the lane, part of Jefferson.

968
00:47:12,619 --> 00:47:14,619
Anything that's paved.

969
00:47:14,619 --> 00:47:15,619
Oh, you're sweeping into there,

970
00:47:15,619 --> 00:47:16,619
so you clean it up.

971
00:47:16,619 --> 00:47:18,619
Yeah, I figured it's kind of a,

972
00:47:18,619 --> 00:47:22,679
plus it plugs up the drainage,

973
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:27,230
and then it'll just end up down here in the school.

974
00:47:27,230 --> 00:47:29,230
So we might as well just clean it up there

975
00:47:29,230 --> 00:47:30,230
instead of down here.

976
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:31,230
It's easier that way.

977
00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:32,960
Yeah.

978
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,960
I have a question for you, Dave.

979
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,960
I was in Reedsboro this past week,

980
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,190
and I noticed that they,

981
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:40,190
I don't know who did it,

982
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:41,190
but they sprayed the roads,

983
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:43,190
unless there's any dust here.

984
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:45,190
Do you do that at any point in time?

985
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:50,190
Yeah, we have magnesium for use in the summertime.

986
00:47:50,190 --> 00:47:52,190
Typically, we only spot treat

987
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:54,190
because we're the washboard area.

988
00:47:54,190 --> 00:47:55,190
It gets expensive.

989
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:56,190
It's really expensive,

990
00:47:56,190 --> 00:47:59,190
and it's a long time putting it down.

991
00:47:59,190 --> 00:48:01,280
So I kind of balance with,

992
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,280
I don't really need it.

993
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,280
You know,

994
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,280
it depends on how the roads hold it.

995
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:05,280
It depends on how much chloride I have left,

996
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,280
because then I have,

997
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,280
I don't know,

998
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,280
three or four thousand dollars or something

999
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,280
of chloride,

1000
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,280
so it's over a dollar a gallon.

1001
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,280
So it doesn't go very far.

1002
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,280
So we do,

1003
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,280
it's just we don't do,

1004
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,280
you know.

1005
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,280
Yeah, I don't know how they did it.

1006
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,349
It was something a fire department did,

1007
00:48:16,349 --> 00:48:17,349
or what,

1008
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:18,349
but I don't know how that works out.

1009
00:48:18,349 --> 00:48:19,349
Well, we have kind of a farmer style.

1010
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:20,349
We have a total that I built a,

1011
00:48:20,349 --> 00:48:21,699
I don't know,

1012
00:48:21,699 --> 00:48:22,699
I don't know how they built it,

1013
00:48:22,699 --> 00:48:23,699
but it's kind of,

1014
00:48:23,699 --> 00:48:24,699
I don't know how they built it,

1015
00:48:24,699 --> 00:48:25,699
but it's kind of,

1016
00:48:25,699 --> 00:48:26,699
I don't know how that works out.

1017
00:48:26,699 --> 00:48:27,699
We have kind of a farmer style.

1018
00:48:27,699 --> 00:48:28,699
We have a total that I built a T bar on,

1019
00:48:28,699 --> 00:48:29,699
and he just stuck your eyes in the back

1020
00:48:29,699 --> 00:48:30,699
and turned his bell on,

1021
00:48:30,699 --> 00:48:31,699
the other night driving down the road.

1022
00:48:31,699 --> 00:48:32,699
As long as it's a big bed, right?

1023
00:48:32,699 --> 00:48:33,699
Yeah.

1024
00:48:33,699 --> 00:48:34,699
The stuff we use is more environmental friendly.

1025
00:48:34,699 --> 00:48:35,699
It helps,

1026
00:48:35,699 --> 00:48:36,699
you know,

1027
00:48:36,699 --> 00:48:37,699
it's the same stuff that's in the cellar.

1028
00:48:37,699 --> 00:48:38,699
Thanks,

1029
00:48:38,699 --> 00:48:39,699
for answering my question.

1030
00:48:39,699 --> 00:48:40,699
Sure.

1031
00:48:40,699 --> 00:48:42,690
Who else do you have to grade?

1032
00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:43,690
We've been out pretty much non-stop

1033
00:48:43,690 --> 00:48:44,690
rowing the grading,

1034
00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:45,690
I'd say,

1035
00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:48,710
the last couple weeks.

1036
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:49,710
We're getting,

1037
00:48:49,710 --> 00:48:53,329
we're getting,

1038
00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:54,329
we're getting,

1039
00:48:54,329 --> 00:48:55,329
we're getting a lot of,

1040
00:48:55,329 --> 00:48:56,329
we're getting a lot of,

1041
00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:57,329
you know,

1042
00:48:57,329 --> 00:48:58,329
we're getting a lot of,

1043
00:49:02,130 --> 00:49:03,130
we're getting there.

1044
00:49:03,130 --> 00:49:06,050
I've got a cool,

1045
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:07,050
I'm on a guardrail on Mill Road.

1046
00:49:07,050 --> 00:49:08,050
This is the third company,

1047
00:49:08,050 --> 00:49:09,050
I guess,

1048
00:49:09,050 --> 00:49:10,050
where they come down.

1049
00:49:10,050 --> 00:49:11,469
They're from West Springfield,

1050
00:49:11,469 --> 00:49:12,949
Mass.

1051
00:49:12,949 --> 00:49:16,920
It's somebody that Clarksburg has used,

1052
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:17,920
so,

1053
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:18,920
so they do good work.

1054
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:19,920
Well,

1055
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:20,920
I noticed Clarksburg's got a couple guardrails

1056
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:21,920
that need to be replaced,

1057
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,309
so maybe,

1058
00:49:23,309 --> 00:49:24,309
it'll be incentives to come down

1059
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:25,309
and hit them on the rail.

1060
00:49:25,309 --> 00:49:26,309
He,

1061
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:27,309
he asked,

1062
00:49:27,309 --> 00:49:28,309
he asked me if it was,

1063
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:29,309
if they could come on the weekend.

1064
00:49:29,309 --> 00:49:30,309
I said,

1065
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:31,309
if you show up,

1066
00:49:31,309 --> 00:49:32,309
I don't care what day it is.

1067
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:33,309
He said,

1068
00:49:33,309 --> 00:49:34,309
if you show up,

1069
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:35,309
I don't care what day it is.

1070
00:49:35,309 --> 00:49:36,309
He said,

1071
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:37,309
if you show up,

1072
00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:38,309
I don't care what day it is.

1073
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:39,309
We just need to get it done.

1074
00:49:39,309 --> 00:49:40,309
So,

1075
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:42,139
the cool ones are $8,000 now.

1076
00:49:42,139 --> 00:49:43,139
I'm thinking that might be a little light judging

1077
00:49:43,139 --> 00:49:45,099
when I've had other guardrail repairs,

1078
00:49:45,099 --> 00:49:46,099
so this,

1079
00:49:46,099 --> 00:49:47,099
it may be higher than that when we get here.

1080
00:49:47,099 --> 00:49:48,099
They want to look at pictures,

1081
00:49:48,099 --> 00:49:49,099
so.

1082
00:49:49,099 --> 00:49:50,099
And this is part of the,

1083
00:49:50,099 --> 00:49:51,099
uh,

1084
00:49:51,099 --> 00:49:52,099
FEMA reimbursement,

1085
00:49:52,099 --> 00:49:53,099
too.

1086
00:49:53,099 --> 00:49:54,099
That's correct.

1087
00:49:54,099 --> 00:49:55,099
Yeah,

1088
00:49:55,099 --> 00:49:56,099
it's holding that up,

1089
00:49:56,099 --> 00:49:57,099
right?

1090
00:49:57,099 --> 00:49:58,099
Your guardrail's holding that up.

1091
00:49:58,099 --> 00:49:59,099
On one of the roads.

1092
00:49:59,099 --> 00:50:00,960
Is that the only road that's being held up,

1093
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:01,960
or we're still trying to submit to FEMA?

1094
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:02,960
No,

1095
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:03,960
no,

1096
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:04,960
no,

1097
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,960
no,

1098
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:07,960
no,

1099
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:08,960
no,

1100
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:09,960
no,

1101
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:10,960
no,

1102
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:11,960
no,

1103
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:12,960
no,

1104
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:13,960
no,

1105
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:14,960
no,

1106
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,960
no….

1107
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:16,960
All right.

1108
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,619
To bring this home,

1109
00:50:19,619 --> 00:50:20,619
sorry.

1110
00:50:20,619 --> 00:50:21,619
We have another one,

1111
00:50:21,619 --> 00:50:22,619
another project,

1112
00:50:22,619 --> 00:50:23,880
that needs to be submitted this fall,

1113
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:24,880
in the final stages.

1114
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:25,880
What'd you say,

1115
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:26,880
we have four roads?

1116
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:27,880
Who's?

1117
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,960
Five roads,

1118
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:30,960
that one,

1119
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,210
that's,

1120
00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:34,210
like,

1121
00:50:34,210 --> 00:50:35,210
ready to submit,

1122
00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:36,849
and then the guardrail one.

1123
00:50:36,849 --> 00:50:37,849
Two projectsK.

1124
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:38,849
Well,

1125
00:50:38,849 --> 00:50:39,849
keep picking away at them,

1126
00:50:39,849 --> 00:50:40,849
maybe a couple years we'll get an reimbursement.

1127
00:50:42,849 --> 00:50:43,849
We've definitely done it too many times

1128
00:50:43,849 --> 00:50:44,849
with the thing,

1129
00:50:44,849 --> 00:50:45,849
I mean,

1130
00:50:45,849 --> 00:50:50,849
forced through one of the projects that they were trying to hold up on us because they had some nonsense about

1131
00:50:50,849 --> 00:50:55,349
we use the wrong size collar, which doesn't even really exist, what they want us to use.

1132
00:50:56,860 --> 00:51:01,000
It seems like a game by FEMA to try to delay

1133
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,119
because we don't have to pay. I got kind of frustrated with it.

1134
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:11,099
Yeah, I mean, my part is pretty much done, but they, our last person

1135
00:51:11,099 --> 00:51:16,000
quit and there's a new person that's going to be assigned to us and then once that is assigned

1136
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,929
they give the okay, we're okay, but we're just waiting.

1137
00:51:20,929 --> 00:51:25,190
I just want to make clear that it's not Gloria or myself that's really

1138
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:30,349
holding this up. I've been here one morning when she was on the phone

1139
00:51:30,349 --> 00:51:31,670
for a good two hours.

1140
00:51:36,099 --> 00:51:40,300
And I did have, there's hydraulic studies being done

1141
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:45,039
on the intersection up there in Sportsnet.

1142
00:51:46,139 --> 00:51:46,739
Oh, okay.

1143
00:51:48,340 --> 00:51:56,860
And I actually met the stream alteration in this lab.

1144
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,519
It's not what was proposed at the meeting. It's pretty much just what I said.

1145
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:04,239
It's not as simple as just throwing in another collar.

1146
00:52:05,139 --> 00:52:09,519
But they actually, the permanent board would actually be a pretty

1147
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:12,199
extensive job.

1148
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:17,179
And actually require alcohol

1149
00:52:17,179 --> 00:52:21,960
to spend a significant amount of money because they're going to have to put in equivalent.

1150
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:30,260
Yeah, because it would end up coming straight from where it comes out of the woods on Sportsnet.

1151
00:52:30,260 --> 00:52:32,820
Yeah, so it wasn't as simple as ordering gravel from Barclays.

1152
00:52:32,820 --> 00:52:34,820
No, it's a big project.

1153
00:52:34,820 --> 00:52:41,320
So, you're just waiting for the written response?

1154
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,820
Yeah, actually we got a parable and spoke to some of the information before we went on that.

1155
00:52:45,820 --> 00:52:52,719
We're also going to do, write up a project on Nell Road. There's a two foot culvert cross.

1156
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,719
It's going to have to be replaced sooner than later.

1157
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:01,719
And that's going to end up being probably a five foot squash realigned to the brook.

1158
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,719
So it's going to be a pretty good project too.

1159
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,719
These things are all changing.

1160
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:11,719
$4,000 a year for culverts is going to be kind of a lot.

1161
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:17,719
Yeah, there's a whole database being set up through UMass, through like all New England area

1162
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,719
to identify every single stream crossing and every single culvert.

1163
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:22,719
Vermont, are they having it?

1164
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:23,719
Yeah, we have it.

1165
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,719
Vermont already has it. They went around probably 10 years ago, traveling under it.

1166
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:28,719
Did you find a lot of them?

1167
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:34,719
Everything is cataloged. I mean, you can't just say, well, I'm doing it anyways.

1168
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,719
Because I can tell you if we run into issues where people are accused of doing certain things

1169
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,719
and the state comes down and they bring satellite photos and say, look, no, you're wrong.

1170
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,719
You did not do that.

1171
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,719
There's huge databases of culverts and brook crossings.

1172
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:50,719
Wow.

1173
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:51,719
So the days of just thinking that we can do it.

1174
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:52,719
No, they can't.

1175
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:53,719
They really can't.

1176
00:53:53,719 --> 00:54:00,719
I mean, I suppose there's still some out there in real old roads that haven't been discovered yet,

1177
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,719
but they're looking for them all.

1178
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:03,719
Yep.

1179
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,719
Bring them up to loose house.

1180
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:12,260
Anything else on roads or trucks or equipment?

1181
00:54:12,260 --> 00:54:13,260
No.

1182
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:18,260
Probably when we get done with the grading, I've got a lot of work to do with the excavator.

1183
00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:21,260
It's got an oil leak that I've got to kind of explore.

1184
00:54:21,260 --> 00:54:22,260
I think it's the valve cover.

1185
00:54:22,260 --> 00:54:28,420
But with the excavator, that's a big problem with the engine and like that.

1186
00:54:28,420 --> 00:54:36,429
I'm sure we can get it fixed.

1187
00:54:36,429 --> 00:54:40,429
It's just something that's, I can use it if I have to, but it needs to be repaired.

1188
00:54:40,429 --> 00:54:48,199
I noticed a building here, I can't remember who it's from, but it's for the new grader.

1189
00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:49,199
The loader.

1190
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:50,199
The new loader.

1191
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:51,199
Yep.

1192
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:52,199
So that's all working now?

1193
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:53,199
Yeah.

1194
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:54,199
Is there some problem with lights or something?

1195
00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:57,199
Yeah, unfortunately, it didn't have a beacon on it.

1196
00:54:57,199 --> 00:54:58,489
So we're going to have to figure it out.

1197
00:54:58,489 --> 00:55:01,489
So the way this new stuff works, the computer has to be programmed.

1198
00:55:01,489 --> 00:55:04,489
All the electrical stuff goes through the computer.

1199
00:55:04,489 --> 00:55:08,940
So they had the guy come to program for a beacon.

1200
00:55:08,940 --> 00:55:12,940
It had a switch and a cab for it, but it has to be programmed.

1201
00:55:12,940 --> 00:55:20,579
And just the, I don't know, whatever the guy had to buy to be able to do it was $500.

1202
00:55:20,579 --> 00:55:22,579
So, and then he has to travel here.

1203
00:55:22,579 --> 00:55:27,579
And he was recommended through PLT, somebody they used.

1204
00:55:27,579 --> 00:55:28,579
Yep.

1205
00:55:28,579 --> 00:55:32,579
For me to even truck that machine to St. John's here, we'll probably talk to what that

1206
00:55:32,579 --> 00:55:33,579
bill was.

1207
00:55:33,579 --> 00:55:38,739
So for him to come and program that, and it was a wiring issue with one of the correctionalists.

1208
00:55:38,739 --> 00:55:40,800
So I had him take care of it that way.

1209
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,800
So we're all good with it now.

1210
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:43,800
Good.

1211
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,980
All good.

1212
00:55:45,980 --> 00:55:57,059
We got, I don't know if you had time to look at this yet, but we got a report from VLCT,

1213
00:55:57,059 --> 00:56:01,119
Wade Soar.

1214
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:05,119
He did a risk management report for the garage.

1215
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:12,820
There's a few things on there that perhaps he can start working on and get a couple of

1216
00:56:12,820 --> 00:56:13,820
them done.

1217
00:56:13,820 --> 00:56:19,210
But I know there's a couple of big ones here that that's probably not going to happen,

1218
00:56:19,210 --> 00:56:21,210
especially in the wood burning furnace.

1219
00:56:21,210 --> 00:56:23,210
That shouldn't be there.

1220
00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:26,210
That's not going to change right away.

1221
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:27,210
No.

1222
00:56:27,210 --> 00:56:30,340
But if you can maybe pick at some of these.

1223
00:56:30,340 --> 00:56:31,340
I don't.

1224
00:56:31,340 --> 00:56:32,340
Money fiscuses.

1225
00:56:32,340 --> 00:56:33,340
Money fiscuses.

1226
00:56:33,340 --> 00:56:34,340
You already got email?

1227
00:56:34,340 --> 00:56:35,340
I would say that.

1228
00:56:35,340 --> 00:56:38,340
I think he must've got it in your box.

1229
00:56:38,340 --> 00:56:39,340
A lot of them are low.

1230
00:56:39,340 --> 00:56:40,340
Oh no, maybe, they're not.

1231
00:56:40,340 --> 00:56:44,340
They're recommendations more than, hey, this is a problem.

1232
00:56:44,340 --> 00:56:45,340
You saw that?

1233
00:56:45,340 --> 00:56:47,340
Why would he complain about the wood burning furnace?

1234
00:56:47,340 --> 00:56:48,340
Oh, okay.

1235
00:56:48,340 --> 00:56:50,340
I thought it was a signal grade.

1236
00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:52,340
Well it's the insurance company.

1237
00:56:52,340 --> 00:56:53,340
They don't want risk.

1238
00:56:53,340 --> 00:56:55,340
Well, that's a different, yeah.

1239
00:56:55,340 --> 00:56:59,340
But that's different than, well, I thought they were up there almost like a, I hate

1240
00:56:59,340 --> 00:57:00,750
to say that, but risk.

1241
00:57:00,750 --> 00:57:06,260
to say that they're worried about osha right now i don't even like to say that word well that's

1242
00:57:06,260 --> 00:57:11,460
kind of what it is yeah it's he looks it over and sees if there's a motion inspection while the town

1243
00:57:11,460 --> 00:57:15,780
might have a problem right that's what i'm saying so the furnace i mean i don't see

1244
00:57:16,860 --> 00:57:21,420
where you get prepared yourself for the word you're working you're working with

1245
00:57:21,420 --> 00:57:24,860
head can't speak for the guy it's always been an issue with the insurance company

1246
00:57:24,860 --> 00:57:33,059
so yeah and they've never not insured us you know i can't declare you should come and check out where

1247
00:57:34,179 --> 00:57:37,780
i've been to chimney fires and propane fires i'd rather go to a chimney fire

1248
00:57:38,769 --> 00:57:42,610
so i think some of the other things are best practiced

1249
00:57:46,050 --> 00:57:50,449
yeah i mean he actually agreed that he didn't like our setup but he didn't think that

1250
00:57:51,329 --> 00:57:54,610
the setup that he would want would be feasible with our garage

1251
00:57:55,489 --> 00:58:01,730
so we can't even do what he would like us to do but he still has to put it in there

1252
00:58:02,610 --> 00:58:05,809
he's got to find something yeah i was just going to say sometimes

1253
00:58:11,170 --> 00:58:17,010
there are a few things like he he said there's no eyewash i do have an eyewash i have solution on

1254
00:58:17,010 --> 00:58:25,170
the wall that would take care of you if you had an event but it's not okay for motion if they came in

1255
00:58:25,570 --> 00:58:32,400
they wouldn't say that was okay right some of the other things that was the emergency lighting

1256
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,440
when the power goes off there's an exit light with two lights that come on but it's old enough

1257
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,440
for the batteries i've just you know gotten cluttered whatever verbose

1258
00:58:46,639 --> 00:58:52,320
the outlets aren't ground false protected you know okay

1259
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,219
where do you start and stop

1260
00:58:56,619 --> 00:59:02,300
you know start picking at one or two and then let laurie know so she can yeah maybe he gave

1261
00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:06,860
you like a risk management it's like medium low high you start with the higher ones and

1262
00:59:06,860 --> 00:59:13,500
i don't know if we had any that were really high no no no it was like low medium so were you okay

1263
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:19,900
with me overspending the budget because whatever line i didn't know this this is what this is my

1264
00:59:19,900 --> 00:59:24,619
torment because our roof is in need of some real repair up there and i was going to try we put a

1265
00:59:24,619 --> 00:59:31,099
little extra money in there but at some point i got to try to figure out get some kind of quote

1266
00:59:31,099 --> 00:59:39,260
on the roof has fellow ever come to look at the efficiency they're working on they're working

1267
00:59:40,619 --> 00:59:45,420
so your batteries in the exit thing you put them in and then by the time they come that we're out

1268
00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:53,260
again we're good for that last time he was here was 2017. they worked bad i think yeah yeah

1269
00:59:55,260 --> 01:00:00,860
put that out there was one of the things that we ate they recommended we do when we did so that's

1270
01:00:00,860 --> 01:00:06,619
something you can do yourself oh can you use the passive program for this for any reason when does

1271
01:00:06,619 --> 01:00:13,340
that come on around it well we could still apply for it if some of these things would qualify and

1272
01:00:13,340 --> 01:00:18,780
we could get maybe like an eye wash around that's one of the recommendations i would say that that

1273
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:23,739
is

1274
01:00:25,809 --> 01:00:30,130
could be one that screws onto the faucet but the type of faucet i don't know what's going to work

1275
01:00:30,130 --> 01:00:35,090
with this we just have a little bit right right and if you have something bad in your eye and

1276
01:00:35,090 --> 01:00:40,130
you're doing that there's only two of you so you're over there mike runs in and goes i got

1277
01:00:40,130 --> 01:00:45,409
something in my eye that's well i had one time but one guy told me that screw on was fine and

1278
01:00:45,409 --> 01:00:48,929
then they came in a year later and he's like now you gotta have a car yeah you gotta have a car

1279
01:00:48,929 --> 01:00:53,809
he did tell me they won't make a cabinet one on the wall that is boja okay

1280
01:00:55,809 --> 01:01:09,150
i know you don't like to overspend but if you just do a little bit i think i think if you're

1281
01:01:09,150 --> 01:01:13,739
making movements where you're coming here you're saying okay i'm going to take care of something

1282
01:01:13,739 --> 01:01:19,869
but our budgets you know holding us up on certain things if there's nothing out here that's high

1283
01:01:19,869 --> 01:01:25,150
you just say you know what i did right within the budget we fix this right i'm not sure

1284
01:01:27,650 --> 01:01:29,010
right so i mean we

1285
01:01:29,170 --> 01:01:35,440
if we need a roof right i mean to me that's a priority i mean we don't operate without a roof

1286
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,639
we can operate without some of the other stuff i mean that's my mindset

1287
01:01:53,380 --> 01:01:59,059
it wouldn't hurt to like hire somebody unfortunately i know our insurance is but

1288
01:01:59,059 --> 01:02:02,340
if you had some handyman type to do some of this stuff it would really help

1289
01:02:02,659 --> 01:02:07,460
because i mean michael and i have our hands we'll be seeing how this brings up a question

1290
01:02:07,460 --> 01:02:13,300
again at some point do you feel like we should hire a third guy not you know correct me if i'm

1291
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:20,179
wrong but you are like running the place and working the place and i feel like you're in the

1292
01:02:20,179 --> 01:02:26,820
position you should maybe be handling a crew and taking care of things behind the scenes more

1293
01:02:27,940 --> 01:02:32,579
your expertise over the years too you you know you've learned

1294
01:02:32,659 --> 01:02:37,389
and you know how to handle a lot of things looking at grants so that might be something

1295
01:02:37,389 --> 01:02:43,469
that you might want to look into um just an idea i would i would agree that i'm stretched out pretty

1296
01:02:43,469 --> 01:02:51,699
thin um i think the problem is it's not practical i've always looked at that third guy it would

1297
01:02:51,699 --> 01:02:58,099
almost have to be just the right kind of a right person right person you know like you said if you

1298
01:02:58,099 --> 01:03:04,179
had a because in order to do that handyman stuff because it's been this family you have to have an

1299
01:03:04,420 --> 01:03:10,900
employee's licenses but if we hire a guy who paid 20 an hour he doesn't need all the licenses now

1300
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:16,980
he works for the crown well he goes in there and puts a rail up because you can put a rail up but

1301
01:03:16,980 --> 01:03:22,530
then when you're all out of that work so do you hire just a maintenance guy or do you hire

1302
01:03:22,530 --> 01:03:27,570
someone that like you say it has to be your jack off like that i'm hung over there i don't even

1303
01:03:27,570 --> 01:03:34,690
do just about anything it has to be that type of guy that can plow roads in work on a truck

1304
01:03:34,929 --> 01:03:47,489
training finding the right guy and training you take your best guy and now he's training your worst

1305
01:03:47,489 --> 01:03:52,530
guy and i'm either one of them again again anybody that's probably worthy of hiring you're probably

1306
01:03:52,530 --> 01:03:57,090
going to have a family you paid me your money right because my son just started a clock job

1307
01:03:57,090 --> 01:04:02,210
he's 17 years old and i can tell you that he started at more money than

1308
01:04:03,250 --> 01:04:04,769
well you guys are probably

1309
01:04:04,929 --> 01:04:09,170
to pay some full-time guy with a bunch of skill it's the struggle it's the struggle of small

1310
01:04:09,170 --> 01:04:15,409
towns it almost has to be built in if you need someone that money he started at i probably only

1311
01:04:15,409 --> 01:04:24,820
made a couple years ago working for that town 17. no experience don't say it because i don't

1312
01:04:24,820 --> 01:04:32,019
want my guys to hear it so there's the reality of hiring somebody is we're not they have to

1313
01:04:32,019 --> 01:04:36,260
represent the town hall too we can't just hire somebody we can't just hire somebody but i think

1314
01:04:36,260 --> 01:04:42,800
we should put it in like the radar and try and keep an eye out for somebody the right person

1315
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:48,719
comes along i mean the ideal situation would be like a you know 25 year old homegrown person that

1316
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:55,760
wants yes this is going to go back to what you said before it don't care it's these boards these

1317
01:04:56,699 --> 01:05:02,300
uh you know listers who we're not getting no no there's people that want to step to the plate

1318
01:05:02,619 --> 01:05:09,260
enough to get people to join the planet i mean we're talking when i looked at that zoning board

1319
01:05:09,260 --> 01:05:16,050
no no offense at all but the age of a zoning board what's our future look like yeah you know

1320
01:05:16,929 --> 01:05:22,289
just work i mean what you don't see no young kids you know that this stuff lost in society

1321
01:05:22,289 --> 01:05:27,489
has started so it's you know civic to me goes i don't really know how to pinpoint any of it but

1322
01:05:27,489 --> 01:05:32,369
it's going on everywhere whatever it is so you know his his boy

1323
01:05:33,650 --> 01:05:39,840
you know we're going to be able to fabricate our water you know that's a good trade to work for the

1324
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:45,440
town that's one thing now you gotta you gotta have your cdl license you have to have you know

1325
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:52,159
a little bit of mechanical auto mechanics you know trucking mechanics you know then some maintenance

1326
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:58,800
you have to have a good work ethic yeah put it all together and you're right you know what

1327
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,920
finding one of those guys i'm gonna tell you one of yours is paid right now how's that

1328
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:04,719
here

1329
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,880
the problem is the struggle it's even going back to planning here just talking about the

1330
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:24,159
the the headache of a culver and that road only extends what 30 yards yeah i mean what if roads

1331
01:06:24,159 --> 01:06:28,239
start going off and all that in different directions and i think these are important

1332
01:06:28,239 --> 01:06:31,119
i do believe i do agree with john i think

1333
01:06:31,679 --> 01:06:32,639
down the road you could be

1334
01:06:32,639 --> 01:06:41,119
down the road and you know then the next step is okay so now david retires i'm not saying he's

1335
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:45,599
going to do it tomorrow but there's a future here right and in the future everybody knows

1336
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:54,050
so this third guy so if i mean i would i'm not going to speak for michael but

1337
01:06:54,989 --> 01:06:58,829
michael might not want to be the supervisor after seeing what david goes through right

1338
01:06:58,829 --> 01:07:02,829
he might there's a lot of guys don't want to be in that position they're also similar in age

1339
01:07:03,389 --> 01:07:09,469
right so now this is third guy that guy is going to lead up to that or now you're going to hire

1340
01:07:09,469 --> 01:07:17,070
have to hire out and find an administrator maybe the third guy do the pick up the brush and

1341
01:07:18,269 --> 01:07:24,110
branches on the lawn well there's you know if we could talk part-time that might be another

1342
01:07:24,110 --> 01:07:27,230
idea right you know you know if you could get a part-time guy

1343
01:07:28,829 --> 01:07:32,670
the problem i had as a part-time guy was finding something you got

1344
01:07:32,670 --> 01:07:36,750
i think i had a lot of you know guys that were like 70 that yeah you know

1345
01:07:41,469 --> 01:07:45,150
i've been down this road now a couple times and this is always the same

1346
01:07:48,349 --> 01:07:49,710
but the other the other thing

1347
01:07:53,389 --> 01:07:56,750
right just thinking that perhaps you as a board

1348
01:07:57,389 --> 01:07:58,349
ought to authorize

1349
01:07:59,230 --> 01:08:03,150
conceptually to david that if you found the right person

1350
01:08:03,150 --> 01:08:09,679
even in the middle of the year oh yeah you would find the money to hire them i don't think that

1351
01:08:09,679 --> 01:08:18,079
yeah i don't think qualifications and the cdl now you can't even hire somebody without a cdl

1352
01:08:18,079 --> 01:08:22,640
anymore because they have to go to school just to get it now you can't do what i did with michael

1353
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:27,439
or am right i can't just train them myself bring them up so they either go to school or already

1354
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,920
have to come out with that and you're not getting them in the middle of the year and you're not getting

1355
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,520
them in the 20 dollars

1356
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:37,920
like that

1357
01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:50,079
now the other when you mentioned cdl this fellow that came down from the lct said there's supposed

1358
01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:58,479
to be records that we're keeping too that if the dot came in and wanted to see some of these records

1359
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,640
they're not easily available and

1360
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:16,100
and he had a town that was fined $8,000 because they weren't produced so this is more work on Lori or Dave I don't think any maybe a road commissioner and other townspeople but I don't think so

1361
01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:18,100
What record is it?

1362
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:20,100
You have to keep a CDL record

1363
01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:22,140
Did you update?

1364
01:09:22,140 --> 01:09:24,140
What was the other one?

1365
01:09:24,140 --> 01:09:26,140
driver's licenses

1366
01:09:26,140 --> 01:09:28,140
something on your record

1367
01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:30,140
and we've got to

1368
01:09:30,140 --> 01:09:32,140
do a lot of stuff that we just don't do

1369
01:09:32,140 --> 01:09:34,140
on a yearly basis

1370
01:09:34,140 --> 01:09:37,319
Just not enough time

1371
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:39,319
Checklist

1372
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:41,319
Checklist

1373
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:43,319
Dave can focus on it

1374
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:45,319
as a supervisor

1375
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:47,319
and coordinate someone else

1376
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:49,319
One of the things that Kurt mentioned

1377
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:51,319
before too is

1378
01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:53,319
this town

1379
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:55,319
and I know there's some stubborn people in the town

1380
01:09:55,319 --> 01:09:57,350
but this slide board

1381
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:59,350
in the future has to start

1382
01:09:59,350 --> 01:10:01,510
looking at allowing

1383
01:10:01,510 --> 01:10:04,310
things to happen in the town

1384
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:06,310
The tax base is at a

1385
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:08,500
standstill

1386
01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:10,500
You've got to do

1387
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:12,500
evaluations

1388
01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:14,500
that's not going to drive your tax

1389
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:16,500
and what's going to drive your tax

1390
01:10:16,500 --> 01:10:18,500
is expenses

1391
01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:20,500
Hire a third guy

1392
01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:22,500
Your school goes up

1393
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:24,500
blah blah blah

1394
01:10:24,500 --> 01:10:26,500
Expenses drive taxes

1395
01:10:26,500 --> 01:10:28,500
They're going up

1396
01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:30,500
We all know that

1397
01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:32,500
But our population

1398
01:10:32,500 --> 01:10:34,500
our number of houses that we tax

1399
01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:36,500
hasn't gone up to keep up with it

1400
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:38,500
So what happens?

1401
01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:40,659
We don't pay more

1402
01:10:40,659 --> 01:10:42,979
You have to allow things to happen

1403
01:10:42,979 --> 01:10:45,529
If a guy wants to start

1404
01:10:45,529 --> 01:10:47,529
a business up the road here

1405
01:10:47,529 --> 01:10:49,529
we have to start looking at zoning

1406
01:10:49,529 --> 01:10:51,529
and putting business in

1407
01:10:51,529 --> 01:10:53,529
and maybe even think about

1408
01:10:53,529 --> 01:10:55,560
I don't know if Vermont allows it

1409
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,560
but a commercial tax

1410
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,560
I pay a much higher tax

1411
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,590
for commercial than a residential tax

1412
01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:03,590
So Vermont

1413
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:05,590
last legislation

1414
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:07,590
I don't know about now

1415
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:09,590
they had a bill going to the floor

1416
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:11,590
because not every town in the state of Vermont

1417
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:13,590
can charge that 1% tax

1418
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:15,590
This bill was going to make it allowable

1419
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:17,590
so everyone could charge tax

1420
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:19,590
A 1% bill that's built on it

1421
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:21,590
Now what about the difference in a rate

1422
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:23,590
like Bankton has a different

1423
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:25,590
tax rate for their business

1424
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:27,590
Maybe they have their own

1425
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:29,590
bylaws

1426
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:31,590
So why wouldn't you

1427
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:33,590
you know right now

1428
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:35,590
as far as I'm concerned

1429
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:37,590
Stanford seems

1430
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:39,590
not everybody but many people

1431
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:41,590
see anti-business

1432
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:43,590
If someone wants to come in here

1433
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:45,590
and start an ice cream business

1434
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:47,590
it's like oh what are they doing

1435
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:49,590
You know wants to sell

1436
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:51,909
Commodore

1437
01:11:51,909 --> 01:11:53,909
Let them sell Commodore

1438
01:11:53,909 --> 01:11:55,909
We've argued recently for two or three meetings

1439
01:11:55,909 --> 01:11:57,909
about a home farm stand

1440
01:11:57,909 --> 01:11:59,909
A home farm stand

1441
01:11:59,909 --> 01:12:01,909
You can't have a home farm stand

1442
01:12:01,909 --> 01:12:03,909
in Sanford Vermont

1443
01:12:03,909 --> 01:12:05,909
What I'm saying is

1444
01:12:05,909 --> 01:12:07,909
if you could get these businesses

1445
01:12:07,909 --> 01:12:09,909
even if there wasn't a different tax rate

1446
01:12:09,909 --> 01:12:11,909
the valuations of these properties

1447
01:12:11,909 --> 01:12:13,909
would go up

1448
01:12:13,909 --> 01:12:15,909
So you have a person that's making money

1449
01:12:15,909 --> 01:12:17,909
He's got a store

1450
01:12:17,909 --> 01:12:19,909
The valuation of that property

1451
01:12:19,909 --> 01:12:21,909
would go up

1452
01:12:21,909 --> 01:12:23,909
And then you will have a better tax rate

1453
01:12:23,909 --> 01:12:25,909
Then you can afford the things

1454
01:12:25,909 --> 01:12:27,909
I don't see it

1455
01:12:27,909 --> 01:12:29,909
We just voted no to law enforcement

1456
01:12:29,909 --> 01:12:31,909
because we don't have the money

1457
01:12:31,909 --> 01:12:33,909
The only source of income in this town

1458
01:12:33,909 --> 01:12:35,909
other than some kind of grant

1459
01:12:35,909 --> 01:12:37,909
is taxation

1460
01:12:37,909 --> 01:12:39,909
That's it

1461
01:12:39,909 --> 01:12:41,909
Period

1462
01:12:41,909 --> 01:12:43,909
Period

1463
01:12:43,909 --> 01:12:45,909
Period

1464
01:12:45,909 --> 01:12:47,909
Period

1465
01:12:47,909 --> 01:12:49,909
Period

1466
01:12:49,909 --> 01:12:51,909
What'd they say

1467
01:12:51,909 --> 01:12:53,909
12000 acres of land

1468
01:12:53,909 --> 01:12:55,909
12,000 acres

1469
01:12:55,909 --> 01:12:57,909
Lore' They were not taxed

1470
01:12:57,909 --> 01:12:59,909
What was the hidden cost of some of these things

1471
01:12:59,909 --> 01:13:01,909
He never really

1472
01:13:01,909 --> 01:13:03,909
I understand there's pros and cons

1473
01:13:03,909 --> 01:13:05,909
You let someone build a house up

1474
01:13:05,909 --> 01:13:07,909
Le Chevre Rouge

1475
01:13:07,909 --> 01:13:09,909
And they send four kids

1476
01:13:09,909 --> 01:13:11,909
to the school

1477
01:13:11,909 --> 01:13:13,909
On the other hand

1478
01:13:13,909 --> 01:13:15,909
the other hand

1479
01:13:15,909 --> 01:13:17,909
you can't have just all summer homes

1480
01:13:17,909 --> 01:13:19,909
Then you're not going to have a community

1481
01:13:19,909 --> 01:13:23,989
there's a balance i mean i don't know i don't know about anyone else but i recently just looked at

1482
01:13:23,989 --> 01:13:28,869
all the new appraisals and there's four five six houses on there now over a million dollars right

1483
01:13:28,869 --> 01:13:32,869
so there's a lot of different trends that are starting to take place and come

1484
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:37,930
you know i don't remember seeing many dollar prices lisa you had a question

1485
01:13:42,199 --> 01:13:50,039
david anything else on roads uh one quick thing that kind of pertains to roads and rivers i have

1486
01:13:50,039 --> 01:13:54,520
a bunch of people a lot of a bunch a few people asking about the equipment and the stream over

1487
01:13:54,520 --> 01:14:01,319
here by the bridge it's for a debris clearance job that the dod has commissioned just so that

1488
01:14:01,319 --> 01:14:05,560
there's a storm or whatever ponds and stuff come down the river i'll have enough clearance and not

1489
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:13,460
plug that bridge up basically what you know the couple that was is doing it said this is the

1490
01:14:13,460 --> 01:14:19,699
fourth time that he's done it yeah they do it they're out roaring brook runs very he knows a

1491
01:14:19,699 --> 01:14:21,140
lot of fall in a short period of time

1492
01:14:21,220 --> 01:14:26,979
time so it's a very erosive type of stream so it does deposit a lot of stuff as soon as it

1493
01:14:26,979 --> 01:14:32,739
blasts all over the place that's the reason they call it roaring brooks yeah it's just a lot there's

1494
01:14:32,739 --> 01:14:38,579
a lot of fall just in the short distance for that and the stone that claims against each other yeah

1495
01:14:38,579 --> 01:14:43,380
they took a lot of stone out of there i don't know if jill was watching i'll make sure they're

1496
01:14:43,380 --> 01:14:47,779
doing it right so i stand on the bridge you know what you were watching to make sure they were

1497
01:14:47,779 --> 01:14:51,140
doing that job up here right i was asking them if they were going to

1498
01:14:51,220 --> 01:14:57,539
come and down and do it all the way down i saw you standing those days are gone sheila

1499
01:14:57,539 --> 01:15:02,659
telling what to do well i wanted to know because it's getting wider down behind me

1500
01:15:05,159 --> 01:15:17,640
dave anything on recycling um laura you hear anything on emergency management

1501
01:15:19,239 --> 01:15:33,189
discussion hard isn't it nope status of joint meeting with school directors i still have not heard

1502
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:39,930
anything from erica and i i emailed her this morning nothing and it's harder today if i know

1503
01:15:39,930 --> 01:15:47,289
not what i said hey can we do that yeah we had two dates the next date was well i think and

1504
01:15:48,359 --> 01:15:51,239
i think it's in their best interest more than theirs

1505
01:15:54,439 --> 01:16:03,109
yeah it all calls when you're ready yep okay um board civil authority training there was uh

1506
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:12,819
a little bit of a delay in the training because with the new appraisal we and new members on the

1507
01:16:12,819 --> 01:16:18,859
board of civil authority it was nice to have this training at least heard something or how to do this

1508
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:26,630
i think it was very well laurie how you set up and everything right thank bill just to go back a step

1509
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:36,170
did anybody get to sit on the ic402 training no no okay because somebody is

1510
01:16:36,170 --> 01:16:45,020
just starting to query to bob for the local emergency plan are you close to doing it he

1511
01:16:45,020 --> 01:16:50,300
took it and had a lot of suggestions and we talked about it and i haven't heard back so i don't know

1512
01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:55,659
if i'm supposed to be doing it or if he's taking over the i don't know he hasn't discussed it with

1513
01:16:55,659 --> 01:17:01,579
me but eventually he's got to come back and have it signed and may 1st is the submission date

1514
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:08,710
there's another one coming around well this is another one of those five percent

1515
01:17:08,789 --> 01:17:15,689
people reimbursed oh yeah is there any way we could have that like you did today

1516
01:17:19,319 --> 01:17:23,000
they had an in-person one in bennington the one you just went

1517
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:30,069
that was in person right yeah yeah you can go online and take it no no no what i'm saying is

1518
01:17:30,069 --> 01:17:35,220
i like the way we had it today where you set it up i mean i probably back to that stuff

1519
01:17:44,649 --> 01:17:54,300
but even if we got a couple of people yeah registered that way they would just have one

1520
01:17:54,300 --> 01:18:01,750
and if you do it on an off day and steal the big screen in the library it makes an easy presentation

1521
01:18:03,260 --> 01:18:14,949
bill what's the number again ic402 alternately ic100 ic100 you can definitely take by yourself

1522
01:18:14,949 --> 01:18:15,510
online

1523
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:23,220
i'm pretty sure you can do 402 as well and you can go on to the female website or the

1524
01:18:23,220 --> 01:18:30,550
emergency website either one will take you to it it's probably under a sub category that says

1525
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:38,310
training i was able to do it here how many of you would want to do it here i'll do it one you know

1526
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:45,909
i would do it here for everybody yeah i think they've done this we're all together

1527
01:18:45,909 --> 01:18:46,310
or whatever

1528
01:18:47,909 --> 01:19:05,850
i don't know how qualified dara zinc is she might be able to run it but she might be able to

1529
01:19:05,850 --> 01:19:06,250
recognize

1530
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:17,369
on correspondence uniform municipal excess weight permits from casella and carnal logistics

1531
01:19:17,369 --> 01:19:20,250
is that another ten dollar thing

1532
01:19:20,250 --> 01:19:20,970
yeah

1533
01:19:21,529 --> 01:19:31,420
that's what i would call it

1534
01:19:34,939 --> 01:19:39,260
if we said we don't need them and we're taking their money shouldn't we be taking the money

1535
01:19:39,899 --> 01:19:46,300
yeah absolutely yeah and so okay i'm just i'm saying in this how do they know

1536
01:19:47,260 --> 01:19:50,939
the pay who's coming on the pay because it's a long day

1537
01:19:50,939 --> 01:19:52,060
a lot okay

1538
01:19:52,779 --> 01:19:54,140
so we're just not chasing people

1539
01:20:04,460 --> 01:20:08,140
enforce it right yeah how would you know you just said so what they could

1540
01:20:08,140 --> 01:20:13,579
generally right that's exactly what i'm saying so if you know people just do it and do it

1541
01:20:13,579 --> 01:20:15,739
it's not something we're just doing wrong then

1542
01:20:16,380 --> 01:20:20,539
in years in years past chair members have taken it upon themselves

1543
01:20:22,300 --> 01:20:30,170
didn't apply who applied a year or two before and i have done it in the past and for ten dollars i

1544
01:20:30,170 --> 01:20:36,569
just don't have time to stay on top of it and okay most of what it does is if one of those haulers

1545
01:20:36,569 --> 01:20:43,399
damages a road or a building or a sign it gives you the information to go together right it's the

1546
01:20:43,399 --> 01:20:50,920
more information they're really recording their information each year and it's a permit that says

1547
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:56,039
you know during mud season we don't want you on the roads unless they're frozen so that right you

1548
01:20:56,039 --> 01:21:05,989
don't get some heavy oil truck making a mess of something okay in these forests sorry ups truck

1549
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:10,550
so yes i mean the national forest

1550
01:21:12,869 --> 01:21:14,390
that's why westwell has a month season

1551
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:27,829
but it's not something they do automatically in the past

1552
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:33,270
yes the jenny bump people yeah the national force

1553
01:21:41,159 --> 01:21:43,239
oh maybe i'm thinking of powerline guys

1554
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,279
to sell our line people

1555
01:21:49,239 --> 01:21:51,000
they put a bunch of money into that right

1556
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:57,670
i mean they definitely put a lot more wear and care on the rest of the road i would say

1557
01:21:59,180 --> 01:22:02,220
but at least they did something nobody else typically does anything

1558
01:22:03,260 --> 01:22:20,069
and um anything else laurie um you gave me a request for an appointment to the conservation

1559
01:22:20,069 --> 01:22:30,180
commission yeah i got i do have of course um if you want to start with that yep um dear

1560
01:22:30,180 --> 01:22:34,739
stanford select board i would like to put myself forward to serve with the conservation commission

1561
01:22:35,699 --> 01:22:37,380
one more that kind of complicated

1562
01:22:40,579 --> 01:22:44,100
you know if you don't laugh once in a while

1563
01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:49,699
if you didn't tell me him conservation commission i think is about to have their

1564
01:22:49,699 --> 01:22:52,100
first meeting in around six years

1565
01:22:56,979 --> 01:22:58,100
i thought it helped me learn well

1566
01:23:00,260 --> 01:23:05,699
opposed um may 20th to sheila and she said she'd get back to

1567
01:23:05,699 --> 01:23:12,979
me but i haven't heard so i'm hoping it will be made i don't know isn't there a green day

1568
01:23:12,979 --> 01:23:18,340
or something green up day is this saturday come on down get a donut get a plastic bag

1569
01:23:19,539 --> 01:23:24,340
you don't have to take a battery you just take it don't you can just take a donut

1570
01:23:24,340 --> 01:23:28,979
and you serve the town in other ways everybody else everybody else take a bag

1571
01:23:31,539 --> 01:23:38,340
okay can i have a motion motion on this uh a motion motion to nominate

1572
01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:41,460
to appoint her to the conservation commission

1573
01:23:44,260 --> 01:23:49,220
that expires in 2028. is there still other seats

1574
01:23:54,340 --> 01:24:05,939
history trash it's not just like environmental stuff

1575
01:24:06,579 --> 01:24:13,050
any conservation of your historical stuff i don't know there's a there's a definition for it

1576
01:24:13,050 --> 01:24:19,130
somewhere i mean i mean just based on your training and i was thinking god is there

1577
01:24:19,130 --> 01:24:24,250
anything any of us can do and like something accomplishable might be something like

1578
01:24:24,970 --> 01:24:25,609
invasive

1579
01:24:25,689 --> 01:24:29,369
it's not that you're going to get anything accomplished but you can make a bunch of money

1580
01:24:35,909 --> 01:24:39,590
well if you don't get the state to change their mode patterns you'll probably go a long way on

1581
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:44,550
our own side of the basis but they blow up right as it turns that's going to be my job one and

1582
01:24:55,029 --> 01:24:55,590
you got them all

1583
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:58,789
if they were doing like dune and then modern again before luck goes to steve i mean

1584
01:24:58,789 --> 01:25:02,470
they're just perpetuating the domino side he gets into the mower and just

1585
01:25:02,710 --> 01:25:03,670
um

1586
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:08,949
kurt you asked if there was vacancy on god's messenger spirit yes there's a seven-man board

1587
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:10,789
like there's two vacancies

1588
01:25:10,789 --> 01:25:11,930
let's look i amоже is still on conservation

1589
01:25:11,930 --> 01:25:12,310
so

1590
01:25:13,029 --> 01:25:13,470
i'm not conservative

1591
01:25:13,470 --> 01:25:14,470
an observation

1592
01:25:14,470 --> 01:25:14,869
josh wăn

1593
01:25:14,869 --> 01:25:15,270
yes

1594
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:19,500
go

1595
01:25:19,500 --> 01:25:20,460
i think there was four amen

1596
01:25:20,460 --> 01:25:22,239
'm or if there's four so there's

1597
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:23,119
an assembly

1598
01:25:23,119 --> 01:25:24,140
established

1599
01:25:24,140 --> 01:25:25,220
yes i'm gonna move my keys

1600
01:25:25,220 --> 01:25:25,439
yes it's still on date

1601
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:26,359
shegan Misman

1602
01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:27,359
new york city

1603
01:25:27,359 --> 01:25:28,119
one five seven eight seven eight now leaves on nine nas Крас same year and here's was mites signed and you're saying on a new board and and time i mean you have to

1604
01:25:28,119 --> 01:25:34,920
there's one more time his term is up next year so that i hate to bring up stuff like that below

1605
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,960
when i became a slackboard member there was a slackboard member

1606
01:25:43,220 --> 01:25:49,859
she was on this board a plan board and her own place that's been going on for a long time

1607
01:25:49,859 --> 01:25:53,699
i think i was probably the first one just for my own personal reasons to say i wasn't gonna vote

1608
01:25:53,699 --> 01:25:57,779
for the playing board i don't know that anyone's ever done that i just did it because i don't want

1609
01:25:57,779 --> 01:26:03,619
anyone to perceive any type of conflict i'm not trying to have any type of personal gain out of

1610
01:26:03,619 --> 01:26:10,260
anything you know it's not just a job it's like 800 bucks a year or a weekend so you know i'm not

1611
01:26:10,260 --> 01:26:14,180
it's really just trying to do what i think is the best thing congratulations

1612
01:26:24,739 --> 01:26:26,739
the other thing is like uh we

1613
01:26:27,779 --> 01:26:33,220
appoint those positions as a board we appoint the planning is that something at some point you

1614
01:26:33,220 --> 01:26:38,979
want to have elected like people hey i want to be on the planning board and that's a combo

1615
01:26:40,579 --> 01:26:45,140
isn't it set up in the wall i'm sorry is that set up in the laws like which your boards are

1616
01:26:45,140 --> 01:26:53,140
appointed that's what i was yeah that's what i was wondering yeah i mean i think i think you can

1617
01:26:53,140 --> 01:26:57,380
i think you can choose to have i'm not sure the process or whatever but you could choose to have

1618
01:26:57,779 --> 01:27:04,770
an elected board i mean is there any more weight than it already does my only intention is is that

1619
01:27:04,770 --> 01:27:09,250
it might stir some people up and get more people involved is everybody you know i want to run for

1620
01:27:09,250 --> 01:27:15,090
playing you know what you do about an elected official you lose control of what direction that

1621
01:27:15,090 --> 01:27:20,850
board goes right you can't those are elected people you get two or three of them to come on

1622
01:27:20,850 --> 01:27:26,770
the board and say we're going this way yeah you're stuck here yeah all right that's a good point

1623
01:27:27,970 --> 01:27:32,529
not that they will but i mean it's it's it's worked pretty good we're back talking about the

1624
01:27:32,529 --> 01:27:42,369
planning board they're chaotic they're chaotic and they're on our lives but um it was mentioned

1625
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:52,050
about we were talking about the passes and it was i think it was yesterday it was mentioned

1626
01:27:52,050 --> 01:27:59,760
something about listers and a while back i had actually made a motion on this board to bring

1627
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:00,479
listers from

1628
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:07,409
elected to appointed and it's probably been over the stage i've ever been on the board

1629
01:28:07,409 --> 01:28:16,079
but it seems like it's not working um and i didn't know that i was talking to larry is the training

1630
01:28:16,079 --> 01:28:25,079
for a lister when you appoint them is not covered by the state correct when you when you appoint

1631
01:28:25,079 --> 01:28:30,119
someone they must come with training already under their belt so that's why we're not hitting anyone

1632
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:32,840
where if you're elected they

1633
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:42,039
train them to stay in training so we might want to consider listers are a lister is important and

1634
01:28:42,039 --> 01:28:47,800
it would save us money down the road it's like 26 000 a year or something that we paid for lister

1635
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:53,239
hard side of that is that we went for years when nobody would take out papers to run for a

1636
01:28:53,239 --> 01:28:59,159
lister yeah that's what that does so i guess that's i i don't know i'd love to be able to

1637
01:28:59,159 --> 01:29:02,439
appoint someone but we have not had one person since we made that

1638
01:29:03,319 --> 01:29:08,770
so we changed that made that change we haven't had one person asked number one

1639
01:29:10,210 --> 01:29:13,489
but we didn't have any before well we did have someone get elected

1640
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:22,439
that person when we changed it resigned it did seem like one of those things that kind of died

1641
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:27,319
off or like back in the 80s it was like the lineup of a few people at least that always wanted to do

1642
01:29:27,319 --> 01:29:34,520
it they were old and retired it's a hard job it's an important job i don't know but it's also

1643
01:29:35,239 --> 01:29:40,760
empty and if we i don't know i'm just bringing it up i mean if we brought it back to elected

1644
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:46,600
we would have to bring it up at a town meeting correct right yes if you guys when you're ready

1645
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:54,239
to do your warrant do a warrant article asking if the town wanted to go back to elected and see if

1646
01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:59,520
people will take out papers to run and if people are interested in it right and run then you're

1647
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:04,479
upset if nobody runs then you'll have to continue with it how many how many seats would we have to

1648
01:30:06,159 --> 01:30:12,640
i think some towns have elected listeners and they have the hired lister

1649
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:21,279
the higher association so they work together the local listers could do the deck and the easier ones

1650
01:30:21,279 --> 01:30:28,720
and well it's just like and figuring out well what's that that could help you transition right

1651
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:34,159
and there's more than just figuring out the deck it's the sales studies and the training part is

1652
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:35,819
what's catching you know buy the cards the money they want to get they're doing what they're doing

1653
01:30:35,819 --> 01:30:41,600
I wish they would just like no matter which way it doesn't make sense that we appoint someone they won't train them

1654
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:44,600
No, doesn't make sense

1655
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:49,979
But like Carter was saying that the training that we just did when we have this board of abatement

1656
01:30:51,329 --> 01:30:57,970
The board of abatement puts you that hometown personal look into it. We're not getting that now

1657
01:30:57,970 --> 01:31:03,189
We're getting these people from out of town going hey, you know your house is assessed like this and you know

1658
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:07,149
I don't really care this way here. We have something that cares

1659
01:31:10,369 --> 01:31:12,550
It's worth bringing up the company, okay

1660
01:31:17,529 --> 01:31:19,529
Anything else into correspondence

1661
01:31:35,399 --> 01:31:38,119
Okay, I have under all business

1662
01:31:38,279 --> 01:31:40,279
dogs, however

1663
01:31:40,380 --> 01:31:42,800
April 1st was the deadline. How are they coming in?

1664
01:31:45,460 --> 01:31:47,460
I

1665
01:31:49,500 --> 01:31:53,619
Remind your letters have gone out. I'm good. Okay, so

1666
01:31:54,300 --> 01:32:02,789
People I've had a lot of people actually come in this week good and then I'm sure the same ones are on just like

1667
01:32:06,289 --> 01:32:08,289
I

1668
01:32:09,109 --> 01:32:11,289
Talk

1669
01:32:11,289 --> 01:32:13,289
Oh

1670
01:32:19,689 --> 01:32:21,689
96 animals

1671
01:32:21,710 --> 01:32:23,710
I

1672
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:37,810
Need to know that those 96 are even so a lot

1673
01:32:38,659 --> 01:32:43,319
Well, they were alive last year and the owners have not contacted me to say different

1674
01:32:43,319 --> 01:32:43,340
so

1675
01:32:43,340 --> 01:32:47,340
so pretty good chances

1676
01:32:48,949 --> 01:32:52,550
so you know what we send the letters out if you do say

1677
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:56,869
they're not alive and we find out they are alive that you really need to find

1678
01:32:56,869 --> 01:33:01,979
but yeah we've had people come in saying my dog died

1679
01:33:01,979 --> 01:33:06,619
yeah but then the dog does show up when he bites somebody

1680
01:33:06,619 --> 01:33:09,899
we proceed from there

1681
01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:26,869
laura did you want to talk about the auditor at all or

1682
01:33:26,869 --> 01:33:32,630
i do okay but i was waiting till my time okay so the time sure it's all new

1683
01:33:32,630 --> 01:33:36,819
whatever go ahead so the auditors came this week

1684
01:33:36,819 --> 01:33:38,579
they were very nice um

1685
01:33:39,689 --> 01:33:43,609
they were very happy with a lot of things that we were doing

1686
01:33:44,329 --> 01:33:49,020
they would like to see some changes in what we are doing

1687
01:33:51,510 --> 01:33:56,069
right now we have our general funding we have our money market we have our

1688
01:33:56,069 --> 01:34:00,550
reappraisal fund in this account we have our fire truck replacement fund in this

1689
01:34:00,550 --> 01:34:04,789
account and we have like 15 different accounts all over the

1690
01:34:04,789 --> 01:34:09,270
place and he would like to see all of the

1691
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:09,829
accounts

1692
01:34:10,979 --> 01:34:17,859
well all the money cut into one basket but tracked separately so there would be

1693
01:34:17,859 --> 01:34:22,659
different numbers you know the cemetery 400 and the library 500 and reappraisal

1694
01:34:22,659 --> 01:34:25,699
600 so the money would

1695
01:34:27,539 --> 01:34:34,579
still be individualized but kept in one account and he felt that every spring i

1696
01:34:34,579 --> 01:34:40,260
have to apply for a tax anticipation note because i don't have enough money to carry me through until

1697
01:34:40,260 --> 01:34:46,359
taxes came in but if we pull the hundreds of thousands of dollars from

1698
01:34:46,359 --> 01:34:49,350
here and there and everywhere all into one account

1699
01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:53,659
we wouldn't have to borrow anymore we could say or borrow from yourself money

1700
01:34:53,659 --> 01:34:57,399
you're kind of yeah yeah yeah but you're still

1701
01:34:57,399 --> 01:35:01,000
tracking on paper you're still everything would be still

1702
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:05,079
tracked separately on paper it just wouldn't be maintained in

1703
01:35:05,079 --> 01:35:09,079
individual bank accounts in different places

1704
01:35:09,079 --> 01:35:11,239
um

1705
01:35:11,319 --> 01:35:18,500
like to see, like library and cemetery, handled the same way, like when Dave comes in, he

1706
01:35:18,500 --> 01:35:23,640
codes out all of his bills, and I write the checks. Right now, the library has its own

1707
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:31,020
bank accounts. They spend the money. Tina Seneco, their treasurer, reconciles it, and

1708
01:35:31,020 --> 01:35:36,100
she gives it to me. I have to re-reconcile it and re-enter everything in NEMRC so that

1709
01:35:36,100 --> 01:35:47,170
my statements match hers. So we're doubling and tripling entries. He says, you're just

1710
01:35:47,170 --> 01:35:57,699
wasting a lot of time and not really serving a purpose that suits us. So he would like

1711
01:35:57,699 --> 01:36:04,659
to see as little money as possible handled at the transfer station. He doesn't want to

1712
01:36:04,659 --> 01:36:09,659
see us selling transfer cars there. He'd like to keep as much money.

1713
01:36:10,359 --> 01:36:15,619
Here in the office, he says, this is the safest and best way to do it. Not that you're really

1714
01:36:15,619 --> 01:36:24,430
have to worry, but, you know, leave it to his recommendations.

1715
01:36:24,430 --> 01:36:31,460
For the convenience to the town people, how much money is at risk?

1716
01:36:31,460 --> 01:36:34,550
Yeah, I'm not going to go rob this transfer station.

1717
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:36,550
Yeah, well, it's been done.

1718
01:36:36,550 --> 01:36:38,550
I mean, I understand from a Boston founder.

1719
01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:43,550
From his point of view, these are just his suggestions to benefit the town, and he doesn't

1720
01:36:43,550 --> 01:36:44,050
expect that.

1721
01:36:44,050 --> 01:36:46,810
He expects us to just implement everything, yeah.

1722
01:36:46,810 --> 01:36:49,810
I like the first part, the transfer station.

1723
01:36:49,810 --> 01:36:50,810
Agreed. Yeah.

1724
01:36:50,810 --> 01:36:56,810
I mean, there was other, he wanted to meet the select board chair, so I came down, and

1725
01:36:56,810 --> 01:37:04,810
very nice, and of course he asks about fraud. Do we see any here? No. No, I don't see any.

1726
01:37:04,810 --> 01:37:11,159
We show him how we track stuff and how we sign off. That's why you noticed your names

1727
01:37:11,159 --> 01:37:13,159
tonight? Yeah, that's one of the changes.

1728
01:37:13,159 --> 01:37:14,159
Yeah, I saw that.

1729
01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:14,399
Yeah.

1730
01:37:14,399 --> 01:37:15,399
It's like anybody can chat.

1731
01:37:15,399 --> 01:37:16,399
That's right.

1732
01:37:16,399 --> 01:37:17,399
I never thought about that.

1733
01:37:17,399 --> 01:37:18,399
You should be making them sign it.

1734
01:37:18,399 --> 01:37:19,399
Yeah.

1735
01:37:19,399 --> 01:37:26,399
He would like to see Nancy see more of what I do, journal letter, ledger entries, for

1736
01:37:26,399 --> 01:37:32,399
you guys to take a look at that, see why I'm making adjustments to the accounts.

1737
01:37:32,399 --> 01:37:35,399
What about the new people coming off the ladder that can't move?

1738
01:37:35,399 --> 01:37:36,920
Oh, okay, sorry.

1739
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:38,920
They can't sign their names.

1740
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:42,920
Yeah, so they're going to go back to the chat?

1741
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:43,920
We certify their exes.

1742
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:44,680
Just making sure.

1743
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:45,680
Yeah, just make your mark.

1744
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:46,680
Just make your mark.

1745
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:47,680
Make your mark.

1746
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:52,680
Another thing that he wants to do is move us.

1747
01:37:52,680 --> 01:38:00,510
He wants to move us from our modified accrual base accounting to a pure cash system.

1748
01:38:00,510 --> 01:38:05,640
Cash on January 1st and the cash on December 31st and not play games of bills that were

1749
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:10,640
paid in January that were early in December and bills that were paid in December that

1750
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:11,640
were January.

1751
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:14,640
I mean, I'm constantly having to split every year payroll that crosses years.

1752
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:15,640
And he's like, you know, you guys are just too small for all of that.

1753
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:16,640
It would really benefit a company that had a lot of inventory that you would depreciate.

1754
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:17,640
But we don't file taxes.

1755
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:18,640
We don't depreciate.

1756
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:19,640
We don't take advantage of the reasons that, you know, a modified system.

1757
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:20,640
Hold back your invoices and so on.

1758
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:21,640
Right.

1759
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:22,640
So he's like, you know, just let's go back to keeping it simple and go back to a cash

1760
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:23,640
system.

1761
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:24,640
The worst that could happen is that one day you're going to have to go back to a cash

1762
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:25,640
system.

1763
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:26,640
Yeah.

1764
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:27,699
Yeah.

1765
01:38:27,699 --> 01:38:28,699
Yeah.

1766
01:38:28,699 --> 01:38:29,699
Yeah.

1767
01:38:29,699 --> 01:38:30,699
Yeah.

1768
01:38:30,699 --> 01:38:31,699
Yeah.

1769
01:38:31,699 --> 01:38:32,699
Yeah.

1770
01:38:32,699 --> 01:38:33,699
Yeah.

1771
01:38:33,699 --> 01:38:34,699
Yeah.

1772
01:38:34,699 --> 01:38:35,699
Yeah.

1773
01:38:35,699 --> 01:38:36,699
Yeah.

1774
01:38:36,699 --> 01:38:37,699
Yeah.

1775
01:38:37,699 --> 01:38:38,699
Yeah.

1776
01:38:38,699 --> 01:38:39,699
Yeah.

1777
01:38:39,699 --> 01:38:40,699
Yeah.

1778
01:38:40,699 --> 01:38:41,699
Yeah.

1779
01:38:41,699 --> 01:38:42,699
Yeah.

1780
01:38:42,699 --> 01:38:43,699
Yeah.

1781
01:38:43,699 --> 01:38:44,699
Yeah.

1782
01:38:44,699 --> 01:38:45,699
Yeah.

1783
01:38:45,699 --> 01:38:47,920
Yeah, and I think what could happen is that one year, that very first year, you know,

1784
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:51,439
it might be not quite so even.

1785
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:56,359
By the time you've done it for two years, it's all done with.

1786
01:38:56,359 --> 01:38:57,359
Perfect.

1787
01:38:57,359 --> 01:38:58,359
That's what we said.

1788
01:38:58,359 --> 01:39:03,659
If you pay four quarterly payments, does it matter if it is from one year to the third?

1789
01:39:03,659 --> 01:39:04,659
Look at it and see exactly what, you don't have to know the game in that way.

1790
01:39:04,659 --> 01:39:05,659
That's right.

1791
01:39:05,659 --> 01:39:06,659
Right.

1792
01:39:06,659 --> 01:39:07,659
This is what's been annoying me for a while.

1793
01:39:07,659 --> 01:39:08,659
I know.

1794
01:39:09,659 --> 01:39:10,659
Yeah.

1795
01:39:10,659 --> 01:39:11,659
I know.

1796
01:39:11,659 --> 01:39:12,659
Yeah.

1797
01:39:12,659 --> 01:39:13,659
Yeah.

1798
01:39:13,659 --> 01:39:20,130
We're a small town, and we're not business people.

1799
01:39:20,130 --> 01:39:23,609
We know if we have money in the bank, we pay the bill.

1800
01:39:23,609 --> 01:39:26,130
And we just pay it like that.

1801
01:39:26,130 --> 01:39:29,189
We're used to working that way in our own personal lives.

1802
01:39:29,189 --> 01:39:35,000
We're not big finance people, and that's how it is.

1803
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:38,220
You seem very pleasant, very knowledgeable.

1804
01:39:38,220 --> 01:39:39,899
One of the big things he wanted to do

1805
01:39:39,899 --> 01:39:44,600
was bring all of our accounts payable and all the accounts

1806
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:48,319
that I have running totals that have been there

1807
01:39:48,319 --> 01:39:50,479
from last year and the year before and the year before.

1808
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:53,600
And he really wanted to work at zeroing everything else

1809
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:57,199
so we have a fresh start going forward.

1810
01:39:57,199 --> 01:39:58,560
Sounds like a good move, then.

1811
01:39:58,560 --> 01:39:59,060
Yeah.

1812
01:39:59,060 --> 01:40:02,300
Sounds like a nice move.

1813
01:40:02,300 --> 01:40:04,880
He's going to send recommendations, too.

1814
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:05,479
Yeah.

1815
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:07,720
Great moves.

1816
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:12,819
So moving forward, are we going to go by his recommendation?

1817
01:40:12,819 --> 01:40:13,319
Probably.

1818
01:40:13,319 --> 01:40:14,979
I think so.

1819
01:40:14,979 --> 01:40:17,020
Do we get a motion on that, or just do it?

1820
01:40:17,020 --> 01:40:18,399
Wait till they come up.

1821
01:40:18,399 --> 01:40:18,899
Well, wait.

1822
01:40:18,899 --> 01:40:20,020
He's going to send a letter.

1823
01:40:20,020 --> 01:40:20,520
OK.

1824
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:23,859
And his suggestion was not to just put all your eggs

1825
01:40:23,859 --> 01:40:27,420
in one basket overnight, but maybe close out

1826
01:40:27,420 --> 01:40:30,460
the appraisal fund, and merge it, and see how that goes.

1827
01:40:30,460 --> 01:40:33,279
And in another couple of months, close another account,

1828
01:40:33,279 --> 01:40:34,880
and merge it.

1829
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:37,420
Doesn't sound like a simpler process.

1830
01:40:37,420 --> 01:40:37,920
Yeah.

1831
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:43,560
For sure.

1832
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:45,399
Well, we actually have different banks,

1833
01:40:45,399 --> 01:40:46,600
not just different accounts.

1834
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:48,319
I have four different banks.

1835
01:40:48,319 --> 01:40:48,819
Yeah.

1836
01:40:48,819 --> 01:40:49,319
That's crazy.

1837
01:40:49,319 --> 01:40:49,819
Yeah.

1838
01:40:49,819 --> 01:40:51,399
Besides, we have a bank.

1839
01:40:51,399 --> 01:40:56,420
Accumulated money together, you can shop to whatever bank.

1840
01:40:56,420 --> 01:40:58,520
The bank can listen to you on the matter.

1841
01:40:58,520 --> 01:40:59,020
Yes.

1842
01:40:59,020 --> 01:40:59,520
Yes.

1843
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:00,020
Yeah.

1844
01:41:00,020 --> 01:41:02,819
I think there's a thought of, do we want to stay at the bank,

1845
01:41:02,819 --> 01:41:06,279
or do we find a bank that might be more accommodating?

1846
01:41:06,279 --> 01:41:09,359
And the bank that you are going to keep a couple hundred

1847
01:41:09,359 --> 01:41:11,239
thousand dollars is probably going

1848
01:41:11,239 --> 01:41:13,460
to be a lot more conducive to borrow.

1849
01:41:13,460 --> 01:41:16,840
If you do need to borrow money in anticipation,

1850
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:20,590
they're going to give you better facility.

1851
01:41:20,590 --> 01:41:23,100
How much money do you plan to put in one bank?

1852
01:41:23,100 --> 01:41:25,920
You can probably get insured.

1853
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:29,760
Both of them are double insured now.

1854
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:30,260
Yeah.

1855
01:41:30,260 --> 01:41:30,760
How much?

1856
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:34,760
They would have to provide that over 200,000 FDIC,

1857
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:36,880
because it would definitely be over.

1858
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:41,020
We're required to have that, especially at tax time.

1859
01:41:41,020 --> 01:41:41,520
Yeah.

1860
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:45,960
There's a separate insurance company .

1861
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:50,829
Besides the federal government.

1862
01:41:50,829 --> 01:41:52,699
Sounds good.

1863
01:41:52,699 --> 01:41:56,840
You've seen Kathy with all the paperwork and everything.

1864
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:01,850
I have a question for you.

1865
01:42:01,850 --> 01:42:05,029
You mentioned the trees down in the .

1866
01:42:05,029 --> 01:42:07,270
Are they in the mowing area, or?

1867
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:10,949
Yeah, you'll probably come across them when you mow them.

1868
01:42:10,949 --> 01:42:15,579
They must have came down at the last windstorm we had.

1869
01:42:15,579 --> 01:42:18,140
But they're down at the soccer field area

1870
01:42:18,140 --> 01:42:19,659
and by the town's court.

1871
01:42:19,659 --> 01:42:21,159
Well, we'll have to see if he moves them,

1872
01:42:21,159 --> 01:42:32,050
because he didn't come here to look for anything.

1873
01:42:32,050 --> 01:42:34,029
See, in the past, we had trees.

1874
01:42:34,029 --> 01:42:37,029
We had trees cut, but I don't know if we had to ask anybody

1875
01:42:37,029 --> 01:42:38,529
to come and pick them up, I think.

1876
01:42:38,529 --> 01:42:40,020
Right.

1877
01:42:40,020 --> 01:42:42,020
Maybe once a minute, if you wanted to.

1878
01:42:42,020 --> 01:42:42,520
I'm sure.

1879
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:45,020
I mean, why wouldn't you for $500 more?

1880
01:42:45,020 --> 01:42:46,020
You shouldn't do it.

1881
01:42:46,020 --> 01:42:49,520
I'm thinking that our bid package just

1882
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:55,060
said, like, the stuff left from plowing, like, if the.

1883
01:42:55,060 --> 01:42:55,560
Degree.

1884
01:42:55,560 --> 01:43:00,579
And the degree from little twigs and stuff that's fallen.

1885
01:43:00,579 --> 01:43:02,079
I don't know as it would.

1886
01:43:02,079 --> 01:43:03,079
Oh, I can see it.

1887
01:43:03,079 --> 01:43:04,079
It'd be so far off.

1888
01:43:04,079 --> 01:43:05,079
It's up in ranges .

1889
01:43:05,079 --> 01:43:05,579
.

1890
01:43:05,579 --> 01:43:06,079
.

1891
01:43:06,079 --> 01:43:07,079
.

1892
01:43:07,079 --> 01:43:09,619
How big are those branches?

1893
01:43:09,619 --> 01:43:10,579
They're trees, right?

1894
01:43:10,579 --> 01:43:12,079
Are there branches like?

1895
01:43:12,079 --> 01:43:13,079
The ones behind the tennis court.

1896
01:43:13,079 --> 01:43:13,579
.

1897
01:43:13,579 --> 01:43:14,079
.

1898
01:43:14,079 --> 01:43:15,380
Is something he could probably handle,

1899
01:43:15,380 --> 01:43:16,079
is .

1900
01:43:16,079 --> 01:43:16,479
.

1901
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:17,079
.

1902
01:43:17,079 --> 01:43:17,579
.

1903
01:43:17,579 --> 01:43:18,079
.

1904
01:43:18,079 --> 01:43:18,579
.

1905
01:43:18,579 --> 01:43:19,079
.

1906
01:43:19,079 --> 01:43:19,579
.

1907
01:43:19,579 --> 01:43:20,079
.

1908
01:43:20,079 --> 01:43:20,579
.

1909
01:43:20,579 --> 01:43:21,079
.

1910
01:43:21,079 --> 01:43:21,579
.

1911
01:43:21,579 --> 01:43:22,079
.

1912
01:43:22,079 --> 01:43:22,579
.

1913
01:43:22,579 --> 01:43:23,079
.

1914
01:43:23,079 --> 01:43:23,579
.

1915
01:43:23,579 --> 01:43:24,079
.

1916
01:43:24,079 --> 01:43:24,579
.

1917
01:43:24,579 --> 01:43:25,079
.

1918
01:43:25,079 --> 01:43:27,119
.

1919
01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:27,619
.

1920
01:43:27,619 --> 01:43:28,119
.

1921
01:43:28,119 --> 01:43:28,619
.

1922
01:43:28,619 --> 01:43:29,119
.

1923
01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:29,619
.

1924
01:43:29,619 --> 01:43:30,119
.

1925
01:43:30,119 --> 01:43:30,619
.

1926
01:43:30,619 --> 01:43:31,119
.

1927
01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:31,619
.

1928
01:43:31,619 --> 01:43:32,119
.

1929
01:43:32,119 --> 01:43:32,619
.

1930
01:43:32,619 --> 01:43:33,119
.

1931
01:43:33,119 --> 01:43:33,619
.

1932
01:43:33,619 --> 01:43:34,119
.

1933
01:43:34,119 --> 01:43:34,619
.

1934
01:43:34,619 --> 01:43:35,119
.

1935
01:43:35,119 --> 01:43:35,619
.

1936
01:43:35,619 --> 01:43:36,119
.

1937
01:43:36,119 --> 01:43:36,619
.

1938
01:43:36,619 --> 01:43:37,119
.

1939
01:43:37,119 --> 01:43:45,100
yeah well are they that size or this size

1940
01:43:54,199 --> 01:43:58,359
yeah the ones i saw were like right in the soccer field you can see it

1941
01:43:58,359 --> 01:44:01,560
out in the field but some of them over the moment can be like i can't

1942
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:05,000
mold it hopefully it does something with it tennis courts eroded

1943
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:08,760
it's all the trees are just yeah that's a nice

1944
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:27,840
it's unfortunate the fields don't get used nearly

1945
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,800
right as much as they used to i think the tennis court

1946
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:36,800
too even the seed savers are using it and it is a liability because the

1947
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:37,039
acid

1948
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:41,520
salt's all cracked and lifted and it's a big trick hazard

1949
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:48,409
we should look into doing something with that or making it look good

1950
01:44:48,409 --> 01:44:50,569
or

1951
01:44:58,250 --> 01:45:02,090
the court was a grant of a recreation grant

1952
01:45:02,090 --> 01:45:07,239
yeah in the 70s when people actually like played tennis

1953
01:45:07,239 --> 01:45:11,239
there were a number of people that used it in the lake through the late 70s but

1954
01:45:11,239 --> 01:45:14,119
in the early 80s it used to be pretty popular back there

1955
01:45:16,859 --> 01:45:20,060
well we came to a point where we weren't going to spend the money to maintain it

1956
01:45:20,060 --> 01:45:22,220
and you know to do maintenance on it because

1957
01:45:22,220 --> 01:45:24,779
nobody was using it certainly nobody from town

1958
01:45:25,420 --> 01:45:29,130
i think i'm not sure if we even made a motion to

1959
01:45:29,850 --> 01:45:33,130
just get rid of it but then the seat saver said this would be beautiful

1960
01:45:33,130 --> 01:45:35,369
right to have our gardens there

1961
01:45:35,369 --> 01:45:36,329
don't forget

1962
01:45:36,329 --> 01:45:43,960
to look into it and see what we can do or

1963
01:45:44,439 --> 01:45:48,760
it's worth taking down i think the fence is pretty well wrecked down there

1964
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:50,840
it's all cut

1965
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:52,600
didn't they build a building or shed or something

1966
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:58,279
yeah there's a garden shed and oh no i'd have to look better i haven't really

1967
01:45:58,279 --> 01:46:01,800
because my son was helping build it yeah and then

1968
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:07,159
they said you know it's like class and things like going on down there for a

1969
01:46:07,159 --> 01:46:11,000
little while but we can't give up they ran out of volunteers

1970
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:15,199
yeah i might be interested in purchasing a raised bed

1971
01:46:15,199 --> 01:46:15,439
yeah i might be interested in purchasing a raised bed

1972
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:19,579
raised beds if they're still worthy of moving

1973
01:46:19,579 --> 01:46:22,220
i don't know what shape they're in

1974
01:46:22,220 --> 01:46:26,140
i don't i don't really know who even there's like blueberry bushes growing down

1975
01:46:26,140 --> 01:46:29,260
there someone can dig them up i don't know where they are i suppose

1976
01:46:29,260 --> 01:46:32,939
i'm surprised the school doesn't have a program where the kids can learn how to

1977
01:46:32,939 --> 01:46:37,340
they work for a little while

1978
01:46:37,899 --> 01:46:42,859
it's mostly um mostly ellen's ellen's was the chief driver of all that

1979
01:46:42,859 --> 01:46:44,939
yeah

1980
01:46:45,659 --> 01:46:51,579
but i think if there's anything down there that's

1981
01:46:51,579 --> 01:46:57,199
savable and someone wants it hey yeah i wouldn't sell it i just take it

1982
01:46:57,199 --> 01:47:00,239
take it yeah well

1983
01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:03,439
part of the part of the concept we've been hiding through is some of what we

1984
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:07,119
were talking about the planning work the other day it's just self-sustainability

1985
01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:11,119
teaching people how to garden but it just kind of

1986
01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:16,909
fell apart so that was stuck with a mess there now now it's a mess yeah

1987
01:47:17,310 --> 01:47:21,310
well it got to be where stephen green was doing almost all the work

1988
01:47:21,310 --> 01:47:26,270
yeah by himself or with helen yeah and all those people that said yeah yeah and

1989
01:47:26,270 --> 01:47:30,680
i want a garden plot and just never showed it

1990
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:37,640
so if anyone's interested looking get back to the select board and give us

1991
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:42,039
your suggestions what to do with it i'll take a walk over there and look at it

1992
01:47:42,039 --> 01:47:46,760
earlier um

1993
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:52,199
the other thing i had on here was uh old business about the building permit form

1994
01:47:53,399 --> 01:47:58,039
um i was hoping deb would be here tonight because i thought this permit

1995
01:47:58,039 --> 01:48:03,449
was finalized and put to bed but um

1996
01:48:03,449 --> 01:48:08,409
i believe she didn't want her phone number on here she wanted a

1997
01:48:08,409 --> 01:48:13,529
town email or heather oh oh she wanted both

1998
01:48:13,529 --> 01:48:15,770
okay

1999
01:48:15,770 --> 01:48:18,489
building permit

2000
01:48:18,489 --> 01:48:20,489
no

2001
01:48:20,489 --> 01:48:22,489
for uh

2002
01:48:23,050 --> 01:48:27,279
that we approved a few weeks ago um

2003
01:48:27,279 --> 01:48:33,020
so to get a town email

2004
01:48:33,020 --> 01:48:38,729
right now there's nine active emails that we are paying for

2005
01:48:38,729 --> 01:48:44,010
and the cost per user

2006
01:48:44,010 --> 01:48:49,899
depends on how many users and we figured if we

2007
01:48:49,899 --> 01:48:54,430
it's going to be a little cost prohibited to

2008
01:48:54,430 --> 01:48:56,989
do this because it might just

2009
01:48:57,720 --> 01:49:00,920
blow up into everybody wants a town email address

2010
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:06,600
oh not very different i don't i could care less whether i have one or not

2011
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:08,520
but um

2012
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,199
i don't know you know

2013
01:49:10,199 --> 01:49:13,609
how much does one email address cost

2014
01:49:13,609 --> 01:49:15,689
well that's not only one

2015
01:49:15,689 --> 01:49:23,420
but then what if lisa wants one oh i don't know that particular one

2016
01:49:23,420 --> 01:49:29,680
you're putting it on a town forum that's different than handing it to

2017
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:30,640
everybody

2018
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:35,399
but this would be just for her

2019
01:49:35,399 --> 01:49:37,399
seven dollars

2020
01:49:37,399 --> 01:49:39,399
just for the email how much do you have there

2021
01:49:39,399 --> 01:49:41,399
seven dollars per user

2022
01:49:41,399 --> 01:49:43,399
okay

2023
01:49:43,399 --> 01:49:45,399
per user

2024
01:49:45,399 --> 01:49:47,399
per one

2025
01:49:47,399 --> 01:49:49,399
seven dollars

2026
01:49:49,399 --> 01:49:51,399
i think that's something

2027
01:49:51,399 --> 01:49:53,399
most of these are monthly

2028
01:49:53,399 --> 01:49:55,399
she anticipates if we did want to

2029
01:49:55,399 --> 01:49:59,819
have everyone have a town email it would be another 315 to 400 dollars on the email address

2030
01:49:59,819 --> 01:50:01,819
but it's not a lot of money

2031
01:50:01,979 --> 01:50:04,460
it's a month increase for what we're paying

2032
01:50:04,460 --> 01:50:05,020
yes

2033
01:50:05,020 --> 01:50:08,220
my question is what does everyone consist of

2034
01:50:08,220 --> 01:50:09,420
yeah

2035
01:50:09,420 --> 01:50:13,020
is it town employees or town board members

2036
01:50:13,020 --> 01:50:14,220
board members

2037
01:50:14,220 --> 01:50:15,260
she's an appointment

2038
01:50:15,260 --> 01:50:21,180
well at lori's discretion is it a problem with giving her a talent your

2039
01:50:21,180 --> 01:50:25,119
the talent email address on the forum

2040
01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:28,880
she doesn't want him coming to me she wants him to go directly to her but she

2041
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:32,359
doesn't want to use your personal email and i had thought

2042
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:34,520
she could create a

2043
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:38,520
stanfordza gmail.com for free

2044
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:40,520
and that way she would

2045
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:44,520
she could create her own email and make it

2046
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:46,520
without a cost

2047
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:48,520
without a cost

2048
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:50,520
why don't we suggest that

2049
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:53,390
is that agreeable

2050
01:50:53,390 --> 01:51:00,840
yeah i'm not sure on the logistics of the whole email thing but if we get away with it and i don't spend any money i'd fall for it

2051
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:02,840
well the thing too a dev did say

2052
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:07,880
email back and forth to say somebody calls or emails or dev do i need a

2053
01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:12,840
permit for this garage or i'm thinking of doing this what what's

2054
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:16,439
the process see that's the email back and it'd be

2055
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:19,479
in writing so we'll never make it here to the town

2056
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:23,319
office that's what my friend i like the writing i like it in writing

2057
01:51:23,319 --> 01:51:27,319
because we probably should we should have never been through this but we know

2058
01:51:27,319 --> 01:51:30,359
we've got space now we got to do it later yeah and

2059
01:51:30,359 --> 01:51:32,840
the email that she made

2060
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:36,600
can be deleted you know so now it costs money to go

2061
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:39,640
and have someone dig it up you know so now

2062
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:44,520
he says you know she sent me an email because i didn't send an email

2063
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:47,560
i want to see it

2064
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:51,369
public knowledge too though i think any town

2065
01:51:51,369 --> 01:51:58,939
yes if it's an official web email it would be public well it would

2066
01:51:58,939 --> 01:52:02,380
be under the public disposal

2067
01:52:02,380 --> 01:52:04,380
right and that's why they

2068
01:52:04,380 --> 01:52:07,659
push us not to use our personal emails because they see

2069
01:52:07,659 --> 01:52:13,119
your whole thing you know any conversation or any business that i did

2070
01:52:13,119 --> 01:52:19,260
they don't want to you know i don't know

2071
01:52:19,260 --> 01:52:27,640
well i so i'm thinking for the one okay but then what if somebody wants to

2072
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:31,399
correspond with planning commission or uh conservation

2073
01:52:31,399 --> 01:52:36,039
commission cpa and i don't know how big this is

2074
01:52:36,039 --> 01:52:36,520
going to get

2075
01:52:41,319 --> 01:52:46,000
well i don't know i'm trying to yeah

2076
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:49,359
it's kind of a new thing so you know when

2077
01:52:49,359 --> 01:52:53,949
laurie gets information sent to the town she can

2078
01:52:53,949 --> 01:52:58,590
send it to us but i very rarely get anything

2079
01:52:58,590 --> 01:53:04,029
to the town email from a public you know from a citizen right yeah i might get

2080
01:53:04,029 --> 01:53:07,149
i don't know the sheriff sent me something the

2081
01:53:07,149 --> 01:53:10,510
sweatboard of speak uh

2082
01:53:10,510 --> 01:53:11,229
i don't ever remember

2083
01:53:11,229 --> 01:53:18,109
i never even saw yours that's what i'm saying i don't

2084
01:53:18,109 --> 01:53:21,550
but that's what it's probably better that people communicate

2085
01:53:21,550 --> 01:53:24,750
through the office than to do us you know right

2086
01:53:24,750 --> 01:53:29,390
i don't know she may not want it to come through the office but maybe

2087
01:53:29,390 --> 01:53:33,310
well that's what i'm saying and the other thing is if i have a private email

2088
01:53:33,310 --> 01:53:37,310
that he's sending me and he sends me a private email we we

2089
01:53:37,310 --> 01:53:41,069
discuss something that's a board discussion and then i

2090
01:53:41,069 --> 01:53:46,109
send it to kurt and i said now it's a meeting so you gotta be

2091
01:53:46,109 --> 01:53:49,630
careful of that i don't know i i i don't want to make a

2092
01:53:49,630 --> 01:53:53,869
big deal out of it i'm just saying we've never had it before and now i

2093
01:53:53,869 --> 01:53:58,680
don't know some can of worms that we're opening

2094
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:03,979
so would there ever be a necessity that the town would want

2095
01:54:03,979 --> 01:54:12,109
the access to it that's what i'm saying if she creates a gmail.com

2096
01:54:12,109 --> 01:54:13,149
we would you know

2097
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:18,199
my thing with with those type of things is once we

2098
01:54:18,199 --> 01:54:21,399
it's nothing about it it's not a personal thing with that

2099
01:54:21,399 --> 01:54:24,760
at all she might never now always be in that position

2100
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:28,840
and the next person and i go back to and i think nancy's

2101
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:34,039
only one that was on the board when um we had the dog officer incident i mean

2102
01:54:34,039 --> 01:54:38,539
this guy was doing things that you wouldn't believe ended up shooting

2103
01:54:38,539 --> 01:54:43,579
a town resident dog and we're so lucky we didn't get sued

2104
01:54:43,579 --> 01:54:44,619
but the guy just kind of

2105
01:54:44,779 --> 01:54:50,199
did his own thing and then you know then he didn't take the select

2106
01:54:50,199 --> 01:54:52,779
remember because you don't have to tell him

2107
01:54:52,779 --> 01:54:56,939
so you know he made it it was pretty bad

2108
01:54:56,939 --> 01:55:01,260
you know we were out of it was out of our control you know i think we should

2109
01:55:01,260 --> 01:55:03,899
have control a little bit yeah what's the

2110
01:55:03,899 --> 01:55:07,819
especially something like permitting yeah that's kind of important

2111
01:55:07,819 --> 01:55:11,579
really what's the difference having if you have

2112
01:55:11,579 --> 01:55:15,579
for good questions contact the zoning administrator and her phone number's a

2113
01:55:15,579 --> 01:55:19,100
here what's the difference between that

2114
01:55:19,100 --> 01:55:22,220
if you want to get a hold of her through email you send it to the clerk and she

2115
01:55:22,220 --> 01:55:27,550
will correspond with it you know then you can so if you put the

2116
01:55:27,550 --> 01:55:31,470
contact at standardbt.net and anything that's zoning i forward

2117
01:55:31,470 --> 01:55:35,710
right you can forward

2118
01:55:35,710 --> 01:55:39,710
yeah

2119
01:55:39,710 --> 01:55:43,470
and forth you've still lost your control

2120
01:55:43,470 --> 01:55:45,869
that's true

2121
01:55:46,029 --> 01:55:48,960
i don't know either

2122
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:52,960
well i just want to make sure that we're covered let's think about it

2123
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:58,960
like that

2124
01:56:00,270 --> 01:56:04,090
yeah maybe she's got a good reason for it

2125
01:56:04,329 --> 01:56:13,199
um that's all i have oh i can't wait in your busy schedule

2126
01:56:13,199 --> 01:56:16,640
lori could you give us the first quarter

2127
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:19,199
report that's all right that's all right next time

2128
01:56:19,359 --> 01:56:24,510
you could leave it in our box we can look it over and just have it on the

2129
01:56:24,510 --> 01:56:28,829
agenda for next meeting yeah

2130
01:56:28,829 --> 01:56:38,239
any other new business oldest i'd like to make a motion to go into

2131
01:56:38,239 --> 01:56:42,720
executive session for personnel matter and a possible

2132
01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:49,079
litigation two separate

2133
01:56:49,079 --> 01:56:51,479
second

2134
01:56:51,479 --> 01:56:55,479
oh

2135
01:56:55,479 --> 01:56:59,479
i just i have a question in general um

2136
01:56:59,479 --> 01:57:01,479
um

2137
01:57:01,479 --> 01:57:05,420
i have a good like question that we just got um

2138
01:57:05,420 --> 01:57:08,380
one of the permit things like am i allowed to

2139
01:57:08,380 --> 01:57:13,340
subscribe here like ask her or somebody else with any question

2140
01:57:13,340 --> 01:57:17,260
about that like what's the protocol that am i allowed to like you can ask

2141
01:57:17,260 --> 01:57:19,579
questions

2142
01:57:20,460 --> 01:57:23,340
yeah i can't make any decisions i'm not supposed to discuss

2143
01:57:23,340 --> 01:57:27,819
and come to a conclusion about the board but if i want to like understand make

2144
01:57:27,819 --> 01:57:30,939
sure i'm understanding correctly am i allowed to just ask

2145
01:57:30,939 --> 01:57:31,739
absolutely

2146
01:57:31,739 --> 01:57:35,180
and you can get information and you can get education

2147
01:57:35,180 --> 01:57:38,460
but i mean all of the board members yes

2148
01:57:38,460 --> 01:57:41,340
as long as they're not there that's probably

2149
01:57:41,340 --> 01:57:44,859
actually you guys have seven

2150
01:57:44,859 --> 01:57:48,859
asking because i'm not i'm new to this

2151
01:57:48,859 --> 01:57:52,939
and they're all there you just don't make them stay away from that at all

2152
01:57:52,939 --> 01:57:56,380
yeah but yeah you could ask us i mean it's

2153
01:57:56,380 --> 01:57:59,979
one of the reasons i felt like i'd be a good chair because i've got a pretty

2154
01:57:59,979 --> 01:58:01,739
good grasp on all these bylaws and i've got a pretty good grasp on all these bylaws

2155
01:58:01,739 --> 01:58:03,579
and i think i can help people

2156
01:58:03,579 --> 01:58:06,300
understand yeah just understand what's going on

2157
01:58:06,300 --> 01:58:09,739
lisa wants more knowledge

2158
01:58:10,539 --> 01:58:13,739
i had to read the things like 10 or 12 times

2159
01:58:13,739 --> 01:58:17,659
to each other after the last meeting that had to do with the reading thing but

2160
01:58:17,659 --> 01:58:20,859
i'm afraid to ask you because i'm afraid i'm going to get my head

2161
01:58:20,859 --> 01:58:24,939
so i'm still a little confused on that myself up there i need

2162
01:58:24,939 --> 01:58:28,220
some more clarification from devon what's going on

2163
01:58:28,220 --> 01:58:30,380
okay

2164
01:58:31,739 --> 01:58:37,100
what do you think what what is the i'm not sure where where it was at vlpc or if

2165
01:58:37,100 --> 01:58:42,140
it's just a vermont general vermont board with the

2166
01:58:42,140 --> 01:58:45,659
open meeting loss okay because you're all allowed

2167
01:58:45,659 --> 01:58:48,699
right we didn't do that of course but after that question i'm just

2168
01:58:48,699 --> 01:58:52,220
kind of maybe rethink about who i can talk to

2169
01:58:52,220 --> 01:58:56,779
stick to what they tell you in the meeting in that open meeting log

2170
01:58:56,779 --> 01:59:01,579
training and that's what someone else does a lot of times

2171
01:59:01,739 --> 01:59:05,100
always always always make sure anything you're documenting is up to date and

2172
01:59:05,100 --> 01:59:08,220
it's not right yeah so i actually came here one

2173
01:59:08,220 --> 01:59:12,539
time with a swatch board uh handbook thing and i said this is what

2174
01:59:12,539 --> 01:59:16,699
it says right here nancy and she knows because she makes sure there's a period

2175
01:59:16,699 --> 01:59:19,260
at the end of that

2176
01:59:19,260 --> 01:59:25,819
that says uh it was 2004 mike here's the new 2016 one

2177
01:59:26,140 --> 01:59:30,140
yeah they got they updated them all the time but that open meeting law

2178
01:59:30,140 --> 01:59:31,659
no one has ever

2179
01:59:32,220 --> 01:59:35,979
according to the training lifehook they just tell you don't do it again

2180
01:59:35,979 --> 01:59:39,739
it's not like you get sued or anything

2181
01:59:45,420 --> 01:59:48,859
there's even statements in there like if you feel like you can remove yourself

2182
01:59:48,859 --> 01:59:51,579
from from the conflict then it's not

2183
01:59:51,579 --> 01:59:55,020
necessarily even a conflict right right if you can

2184
01:59:55,020 --> 01:59:59,020
feel like you can make a partial judgment based on the information it's

2185
01:59:59,020 --> 02:00:01,659
not a conflict like time i refuse myself

2186
02:00:01,739 --> 02:00:06,460
from the mowing bid because my cousin but i don't have to do that

2187
02:00:06,460 --> 02:00:10,779
i just do it because i want if there was other bidders i would have definitely

2188
02:00:10,779 --> 02:00:15,739
you know then i could do it but it's only one bidder anyways

2189
02:00:15,739 --> 02:00:20,060
but it just makes it calm but like you said i don't have to get him any

2190
02:00:20,060 --> 02:00:22,619
business you know it doesn't matter i mean

2191
02:00:22,619 --> 02:00:26,060
not everything we do is a conflict not everything we do has to go to a town

2192
02:00:26,060 --> 02:00:28,060
vote i mean we can't have a town vote every

2193
02:00:28,060 --> 02:00:31,979
month that's why they elect boards that's why that's why the five and a

2194
02:00:31,979 --> 02:00:35,100
bus are sitting up here and if you don't like it there's an election again one

2195
02:00:35,100 --> 02:00:40,220
thing i like that training today that we took it tells you this is a meeting in

2196
02:00:40,220 --> 02:00:43,659
the public not for the month it's not a public

2197
02:00:43,659 --> 02:00:46,060
meeting right it's in the public same thing with

2198
02:00:46,060 --> 02:00:49,420
sweat work this is our meeting

2199
02:00:49,420 --> 02:00:53,340
we allow a time for people to talk

2200
02:00:53,340 --> 02:00:57,819
this board allows people to talk just like we are now but we don't have to

2201
02:00:57,819 --> 02:01:01,979
you've been to school meetings school meetings two minutes they don't need a

2202
02:01:01,979 --> 02:01:04,859
talk to you that's it you know it's just for town business

2203
02:01:04,859 --> 02:01:06,699
and all the laws it really has to do is to

2204
02:01:06,699 --> 02:01:10,619
the public for people to hear you don't have to have

2205
02:01:10,619 --> 02:01:15,979
at least the other thing i feel you can research anything you want

2206
02:01:15,979 --> 02:01:19,180
that's my opinion because

2207
02:01:20,220 --> 02:01:24,699
and i know when i first started here i was reading

2208
02:01:24,699 --> 02:01:28,060
a lot and learning a lot and somebody says

2209
02:01:28,060 --> 02:01:31,819
well don't read it i said well i want to be

2210
02:01:31,979 --> 02:01:35,500
caught up and i'm current and not just because it's all going on that way i

2211
02:01:35,500 --> 02:01:38,699
mean if you're over here if you're over here preaching conflict that uh

2212
02:01:38,699 --> 02:01:42,220
situation got set up in a certain way like how did three people know to go here

2213
02:01:42,220 --> 02:01:45,020
well how did three people know to vote over here you must have been doing the

2214
02:01:45,020 --> 02:01:47,659
same thing right you're having the same conversations all

2215
02:01:47,659 --> 02:01:51,420
over look at the town of 800 people

2216
02:01:51,500 --> 02:01:56,300
we've all met right we all know each other

2217
02:01:56,300 --> 02:01:59,180
i love you all

2218
02:01:59,180 --> 02:02:01,180
like

2219
02:02:01,979 --> 02:02:05,420
a lot of people don't think i want to be able to ask a real person and i can't

2220
02:02:05,420 --> 02:02:09,020
initially find it and look at this you know

2221
02:02:09,020 --> 02:02:12,380
things which maybe try to ask

2222
02:02:12,939 --> 02:02:16,619
how am i supposed to be seeing this all right they're hard to understand yeah i

2223
02:02:16,619 --> 02:02:18,939
mean they're not they're not a lot of

2224
02:02:18,939 --> 02:02:23,180
mumble and humble they're talking there yeah just remember it takes a whole a

2225
02:02:23,180 --> 02:02:26,619
unanimous board to review

2226
02:02:31,979 --> 02:02:36,270
both

2227
02:02:36,270 --> 02:02:38,670
i'm sorry when i heard you say that and

2228
02:02:38,670 --> 02:02:40,350
we're lucky to have people want to get

2229
02:02:40,350 --> 02:02:41,470
involved

2230
02:02:41,470 --> 02:02:43,710
and get educated and do the job for this

2231
02:02:43,710 --> 02:02:44,909
time because

2232
02:02:44,909 --> 02:02:47,310
the top that's the ultimate is doing the

2233
02:02:47,310 --> 02:02:50,029
best you feel you're going for the town

2234
02:02:50,029 --> 02:02:53,310
not for ourselves

2235
02:02:56,270 --> 02:02:59,310
yeah

2236
02:02:59,310 --> 02:03:01,630
you know uh it's crazy but i've been here

2237
02:03:01,630 --> 02:03:02,109
for a month

2238
02:03:02,270 --> 02:03:04,270
five

2239
02:03:04,270 --> 02:03:06,270
months

2240
02:03:06,270 --> 02:03:08,270
yeah

2241
02:03:08,270 --> 02:03:10,270
i'm thinking

2242
02:03:10,270 --> 02:03:12,270
about

2243
02:03:12,270 --> 02:03:14,270
it

2244
02:03:14,270 --> 02:03:16,270
yeah

2245
02:03:16,270 --> 02:03:18,270
yeah

2246
02:03:18,270 --> 02:03:20,270
i got to see

2247
02:03:20,270 --> 02:03:22,520
things going on

2248
02:03:22,520 --> 02:03:24,590
you made a motion i seconded it

2249
02:03:24,590 --> 02:03:26,590
sorry

2250
02:03:26,590 --> 02:03:28,590
are we out

2251
02:03:28,590 --> 02:03:30,590
that's right

2252
02:03:30,590 --> 02:03:32,590
he's gonna say the meetings are going by a little bit

2253
02:03:32,590 --> 02:03:34,590
or we'll see

2254
02:03:34,590 --> 02:03:36,590
about it

2255
02:03:36,590 --> 02:03:38,590
oh

2256
02:03:38,590 --> 02:03:40,590
yeah

2257
02:03:40,590 --> 02:03:42,590
have a good day

2258
02:03:42,590 --> 02:03:44,590
thank you

2259
02:03:44,590 --> 02:03:46,590
thank you

2260
02:03:46,590 --> 02:03:48,590
thank you

2261
02:03:48,590 --> 02:03:52,590
thank you

2262
02:03:52,590 --> 02:03:54,590
thank you

2263
02:03:54,590 --> 02:03:56,590
thank you

2264
02:03:56,590 --> 02:03:58,590
thank you

2265
02:03:58,590 --> 02:04:00,590
thank you