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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,

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and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Welcome to a meeting of the Stanford Select Board.

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We have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda.

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You may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address.

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You will notice that all our meetings are recorded and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes.

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Visitors are welcome and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and fifteen minutes per topic.

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Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others.

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Select board members present are

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Lincoln Ault

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Nancy Besheka

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John Dunn

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Kurt Kamari

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Could there be any adding of items?

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to tonight's agenda or removing of items?

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Just looking over the permit forms.

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I didn't put that on the agenda.

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I've got that on the roll business, so.

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Okay, then I'll change it.

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Okay.

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Will there be any adjustments to the agenda such as changing the order of items?

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We good?

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Hearing of visitors.

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Myra.

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I hope in the minutes it can state that cleanup day is happening.

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On May 4th from 8.30 to 11.30.

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Come to the school.

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Most people probably know about it.

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Come to the school.

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Get a donut.

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Get a bag.

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Get some gloves.

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Pick up trash.

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And can we put it on the calendar on our website?

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That's great.

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Thanks.

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So, can I turn it?

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Did you wave again or?

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Oh, sorry.

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Jim.

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I hit my other arm.

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Jim Brady.

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My arm went up.

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that approved the septic system it's a state septic system right they approve it but over

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channel they said you have to voice your complaint back to the town i said i don't see what they're

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going to do about it they said well that's our recommendation so what's the problem

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yeah me so the sound things that they don't know what they're doing the state says they don't know

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what they're doing i certainly don't know what they're doing i read your letter and i didn't

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see where it said subdivided letter are they subdivided or are they even okay well yeah

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it says off the private road yeah it's b1 or a1

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yeah 9 a 9 a and 9 b i i think and the second one

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doing is like an accessory building they're doing where they're going to put another building up

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on three acres instead of four acres they're going to share it on the on three acres and they're

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going to expand the septic system and share the septic system and tap into the well upstairs

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on the lot before them they're going to break it off into two acres because you only you can have

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two acres so this is all because i looked at the map too and half of the problem more than half of

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the property before so this is all people this is all in the two this is only inside of the road

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i've i've spoken with um both parties

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nothing is moving forward until the gardeners and i have a chance to talk there are a lot of

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issues going on with this particular proposal nothing has been

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submitted for an application here so right now there is no formal request for a subdivision

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so until that happens i mean we really i know that the riddies i appreciate that they're

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concern over it but until an application discussing it okay except for his his portion nothing can be

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discussed because no application has been made right now to us okay well just in general any

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more than two structures they're aware of that they're yeah yeah sally uh we're talking about

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a subdivision i haven't seen any kind of transfer culture no no and you won't there's no application

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there's nothing there on this 70 so it's just kind of over here

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oh i'm saying there's nothing here in the office yet yeah

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do you have any sense what the state's talking about when they say the permitting has something

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to do with no no um i talked to i i talked to the engineer that not stand up i talked to the

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engineer that um actually drew the whole plan and unfortunately it's um when you

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You can apply to the state for any well before they even come to us.

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So a well or a permit or anything can go through the state.

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It is kind of putting the cart before the horse, and that's what I spoke with them about, really.

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Anything of this nature should come before us so that we can give it our blessing before he spends money doing anything that may not get approved.

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Doesn't it seem like if they're asking the state for the well, like you said, shouldn't they know where their house can go?

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Yeah, it is. They absolutely have a plan that is carved up.

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But as Kirk mentioned, these two homes that they're talking about putting on this center parcel,

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it's totally out of compliance with our bylaws because if it was truly an accessory dwelling unit,

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it would have to be only a third of the size of the existing structure, which is a single-byte trailer.

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So it would have to be almost like a miniature cabin, a tiny home.

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I thought they changed it.

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And it would have to be, according to our bylaws, it could only be a one-bedroom efficiency.

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So have they started any construction?

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No, they've started nothing. They haven't even made an application.

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That's why they're...

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What's he talking about the septic system then?

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Just with the state. It just went...

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No shovels in the ground.

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No, no, no.

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Overshadowing.

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Overshadowing is the issue right now.

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And the way it was explained to me by the state, nobody likes it.

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But it hasn't been...

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First come, first serve.

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So if somebody wants it and you're overshadowing another property and it doesn't infringe upon their well,

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And I know, Jim, you probably were told the same thing, but it's first come, first serve.

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So these little lots, that's Alpenwald.

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Deal with it.

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Half the town is overshadowed.

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Half the town is overshadowed.

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Half the town is overshadowed.

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Who was using your...

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Um, Nance.

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I think it's...

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John Wright.

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John Wright.

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He's with Nance, I believe.

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He's the vice president or something.

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He's the one that did their survey.

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I know him.

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Yeah, he's great.

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I mean...

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The only thing I can think of...

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I think that the state's referring to when they say something to a town, they say increase your acres by a lot.

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That's it.

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And this would, at this point, the way they have it drawn out, they would have to turn that center section into a four-acre parcel if they truly wanted two homes on that.

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And then it would have to be spaced such that it could be subdivided if necessary.

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So once you subdivide, then you don't have to do the...

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Smaller.

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Well, anything more than two structures off a private road.

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So even with a subdivision, it's on a private road, doesn't it?

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If it's on a private road and you don't have road frontage to a main road.

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Well, they do.

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Which is Le Chure Road in general.

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I mean...

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The private road is...

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This is what everyone is aware of at this point.

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There's a lot of lots up there that are basically 200 feet wide and 30 acres deep.

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So you've got a lot of long barrel lots.

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So the only way to access them is access roads that are parallel to the boundary.

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And then instead of one or two lots, you could have 12 lots.

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Well, unless you're...

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You know, these new planned unit development laws or bills that are in place now to decrease density could come into effect if somebody wanted to grow a putt up there.

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I mean, Le Chure Road is fairly wet, but it's also flat.

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You know, it could look like Chantilly Ave, Hawthorne Ave over by the airport.

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Right.

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It really could.

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They're long, narrow, parallel lots.

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So...

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I'm going to seven lots right in the road that are like that.

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Those strips.

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They're old, hairy, fat lots.

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He was notorious for making them like that.

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They're scattered throughout town.

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He did a lot of lovely surveys here in town.

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Thank you, Deb.

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So right now, we're just...

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Everything's on hold?

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Yeah.

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Nothing has been...

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He hasn't applied.

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So there's been no application submitted.

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Okay.

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So we'll be chatting before anything to make sure that when something does go forward,

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it's within compliance.

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Yep.

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Thank you, Deb.

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Thank you.

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Reading and approval of records and orders.

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Regular minutes of April 4th.

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Motion to approve.

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I have a second.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Okay.

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Road conditions.

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Dave is unable to make it tonight.

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But I have a question for Lori.

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FEMA, you're proceeding.

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One road is done, finally.

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One road is completely done.

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It's been submitted.

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And we're waiting payment on it.

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And there's five other roads that are lumped together that are in...

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They were in the final stages.

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And the girl I was working with left.

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And I've got a new girl.

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And usually these people come with their new set of forms that they want.

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And so it was very, very close.

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And I know it's tremendous, tremendous time consuming for the girls here that...

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I mean, I was here one day in the morning.

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I was on the phone two hours listening at the meeting.

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It's terrible.

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Okay.

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So it's in the works.

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And on the third road, Mill Road, we can't submit it because we're still waiting for the guardrail company to come and...

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Well, don't need to ask Dave about it.

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We'll do that next meeting.

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Yeah.

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I'm sorry.

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I did have something.

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I'm hearing the visitors, but this ties right into road conditions.

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It's my understanding that they have started the preliminary work on the power lines.

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They dropped off a couple of four-wheelers the other day.

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Has the town been notified because it's going to have a huge impact on Mill Road once they start working on those power lines?

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Where are they working?

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Beyond?

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They're going to be redoing all of the power lines behind our property.

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You know, so up...

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It's a big one.

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Oh, yeah.

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I mentioned it a couple of years ago because they got lost.

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And it ended up down on our property.

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Couldn't find their way out.

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So...

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I know.

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It's kind of funny.

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Are they going up the...

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They'll be going up, I believe, the Forest Service Road.

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The one right there by the high bridge.

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Yes.

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00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:53,659
Right beyond it.

265
00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,200
So I was wondering, have they contacted you?

266
00:12:58,059 --> 00:13:04,620
Dave, I think last year when we talked about it, he knew that kind of something was going to go on.

267
00:13:04,620 --> 00:13:07,940
But he said normally they let you guys know.

268
00:13:08,179 --> 00:13:09,279
And it's supposed to.

269
00:13:09,740 --> 00:13:13,440
According to the people, last year, they said it was supposed to start this year.

270
00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,419
So it's going to...

271
00:13:16,419 --> 00:13:19,019
I mean, you know the equipment that they bring up.

272
00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,940
They have to put all the pads down.

273
00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:23,909
It's just...

274
00:13:23,909 --> 00:13:26,269
Lori, we haven't received anything.

275
00:13:26,929 --> 00:13:27,730
Nothing yet.

276
00:13:28,850 --> 00:13:29,070
Hmm.

277
00:13:29,409 --> 00:13:29,669
Okay.

278
00:13:29,669 --> 00:13:32,629
It looks like I was active today directly, but I haven't received anything.

279
00:13:32,629 --> 00:13:43,309
I have anything on recycling.

280
00:13:43,610 --> 00:13:43,850
Yes.

281
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The emergency management.

282
00:13:48,940 --> 00:13:49,580
One quick question.

283
00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:49,799
Would you?

284
00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:50,740
Yep.

285
00:13:51,820 --> 00:13:53,080
I don't think Bob's not here.

286
00:13:53,779 --> 00:13:54,019
No.

287
00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:58,600
I asked Lori to send you all a copy of Dara Zink's email.

288
00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,620
About the training?

289
00:14:01,860 --> 00:14:03,080
About the training course.

290
00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,480
On Monday, April 29th.

291
00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:05,740
Right.

292
00:14:06,179 --> 00:14:10,080
And Dara's memo made it pretty clear the need.

293
00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:10,879
Mm-hmm.

294
00:14:11,179 --> 00:14:13,360
And we have all talked about this.

295
00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,200
John may not be familiar with it.

296
00:14:16,789 --> 00:14:21,370
It's a minimum to be able to qualify and sign off on the emergency management plan.

297
00:14:21,389 --> 00:14:23,789
And the hazard mitigation plan.

298
00:14:23,789 --> 00:14:33,169
And each of those two plans allow for an additional 5% compensation from FEMA in the event of a disaster.

299
00:14:33,169 --> 00:14:36,159
So it's urgent that we have them.

300
00:14:37,899 --> 00:14:46,620
And at this point, Nancy is the only one who can sign off on those plans.

301
00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,820
She's the only one that's taking the equivalent course.

302
00:14:51,570 --> 00:14:54,090
Some 15 or 20 years ago.

303
00:14:54,309 --> 00:14:54,570
Mm-hmm.

304
00:14:55,779 --> 00:15:00,950
So if anybody can possibly make it, it's two weeks from today.

305
00:15:02,580 --> 00:15:04,220
Four to eight in Bennington.

306
00:15:04,980 --> 00:15:06,940
Unless we've got time from eight to three.

307
00:15:07,460 --> 00:15:08,580
Eleven to three.

308
00:15:08,980 --> 00:15:09,360
Eleven to three.

309
00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,720
Eleven to three or eight or four to eight.

310
00:15:12,340 --> 00:15:17,470
But it's a super opportunity to have somebody come and give the course in person.

311
00:15:17,730 --> 00:15:20,590
As opposed to trying to do these online.

312
00:15:21,070 --> 00:15:22,789
We're traveling much further than Bennington.

313
00:15:23,549 --> 00:15:31,830
Mowing bids.

314
00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:45,610
The bids went out with pre-bid viewing of the area is 4-24, so that next Thursday at 5 o'clock.

315
00:15:45,610 --> 00:15:55,889
If any select board want to come down here and meet with any of the people that we sent mowing bids to.

316
00:15:56,070 --> 00:15:58,850
So we can show them where to mow.

317
00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:06,039
And we also ask them to pick up the debris, fix the lawn.

318
00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:11,570
So that's next Thursday at 5 o'clock.

319
00:16:11,570 --> 00:16:15,960
Moving on.

320
00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,960
Joint meeting with the school directors.

321
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,500
I emailed Erica Bailey.

322
00:16:20,500 --> 00:16:23,460
No reply yet.

323
00:16:23,460 --> 00:16:30,200
But we did set Thursday, April 25th at 6.30 or May 9th at 6.30.

324
00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:37,490
She has both those dates and apologized for not getting back to me sooner.

325
00:16:37,490 --> 00:16:43,490
Board of Civil Authority training.

326
00:16:43,490 --> 00:16:46,320
Finally.

327
00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,139
Marta, can I have your email?

328
00:16:50,139 --> 00:16:51,139
Sure.

329
00:16:51,340 --> 00:16:52,940
Because I wanted to send it to you.

330
00:16:52,940 --> 00:16:53,940
Yeah.

331
00:16:53,940 --> 00:16:54,940
Okay.

332
00:16:54,940 --> 00:16:59,940
Marta, M-A-R-T-A, dot, day of, jail?

333
00:16:59,940 --> 00:17:06,150
No.

334
00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:09,019
That's my middle name.

335
00:17:09,019 --> 00:17:10,019
Okay.

336
00:17:10,019 --> 00:17:11,019
Marta Jo.

337
00:17:11,019 --> 00:17:12,019
Marta Jo.

338
00:17:12,019 --> 00:17:23,059
Anyway, it's going to be Thursday, May 2nd, 4 to 5.30 or 6 o'clock here at the town office.

339
00:17:23,059 --> 00:17:30,130
And that is for the select board and the Justice of Appease, Lori.

340
00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:32,730
The assessor, I sent him a copy.

341
00:17:32,730 --> 00:17:35,730
The only email I need is Tina's.

342
00:17:35,730 --> 00:17:39,299
You have it.

343
00:17:39,299 --> 00:17:40,519
Okay.

344
00:17:40,519 --> 00:17:42,519
I'll send it to her.

345
00:17:42,519 --> 00:17:44,519
What was that date again?

346
00:17:44,519 --> 00:17:47,519
Thursday, May 2nd, 4 o'clock.

347
00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:48,519
Okay.

348
00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:55,799
It'll be done by Zoom.

349
00:17:55,799 --> 00:18:01,630
We don't know how many other towns will be joining in with us.

350
00:18:01,630 --> 00:18:09,329
Correspondence.

351
00:18:09,329 --> 00:18:12,740
Sign assignment of main road parcel.

352
00:18:12,740 --> 00:18:19,339
So the town received an offer to purchase the town's interest in the waiting period

353
00:18:19,339 --> 00:18:23,339
for the 1.39 acre parcel on main road.

354
00:18:23,339 --> 00:18:24,339
Right.

355
00:18:24,339 --> 00:18:27,339
So the attorney's drawn up the assignment.

356
00:18:27,339 --> 00:18:29,339
The town wants to convey its interest.

357
00:18:29,339 --> 00:18:33,269
And we approved this last week, right?

358
00:18:33,269 --> 00:18:35,269
No, this is a new one.

359
00:18:35,269 --> 00:18:36,269
This is a new one, isn't it?

360
00:18:36,269 --> 00:18:40,640
We approved it for April.

361
00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:41,640
Oh, yes.

362
00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:42,640
That's right.

363
00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:43,640
We said it was the assignment.

364
00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:44,640
But this came through an offer.

365
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:45,640
They want it.

366
00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,240
And the assignment all of a sudden is the last meeting.

367
00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:48,240
Okay.

368
00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:49,240
Where's that?

369
00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:50,240
It's the one across from the Billmont store by Hazel Sack.

370
00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,240
Between Hazel Sack and the O-House and the Chains House, right?

371
00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,240
Yeah.

372
00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:53,240
I know.

373
00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,240
Everybody wants it.

374
00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:55,240
It must be golden.

375
00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,559
How many people drive off the road there and couldn't see the roof of the car?

376
00:18:56,559 --> 00:18:57,559
Can't find it.

377
00:18:57,559 --> 00:18:58,559
Yeah.

378
00:18:58,559 --> 00:18:59,559
And do I own the car?

379
00:18:59,559 --> 00:19:00,559
No.

380
00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:01,559
No.

381
00:19:01,559 --> 00:19:02,660
No.

382
00:19:02,660 --> 00:19:04,170
No.

383
00:19:04,170 --> 00:19:05,170
No.

384
00:19:05,170 --> 00:19:06,170
No.

385
00:19:06,170 --> 00:19:07,170
No.

386
00:19:07,170 --> 00:19:08,170
No.

387
00:19:08,170 --> 00:19:09,170
No.

388
00:19:09,170 --> 00:19:10,170
No.

389
00:19:10,170 --> 00:19:11,170
No.

390
00:19:11,170 --> 00:19:12,170
No.

391
00:19:12,170 --> 00:19:13,299
No.

392
00:19:13,299 --> 00:19:14,299
No.

393
00:19:14,299 --> 00:19:15,299
No.

394
00:19:15,299 --> 00:19:16,299
No.

395
00:19:16,299 --> 00:19:20,380
Can I have an option to sign this?

396
00:19:20,380 --> 00:19:21,380
No.

397
00:19:21,380 --> 00:19:23,150
No.

398
00:19:23,150 --> 00:19:25,849
No.

399
00:19:25,849 --> 00:19:26,849
Try it for earth on a solid water.

400
00:19:26,849 --> 00:19:27,849
Going wrong.

401
00:19:28,849 --> 00:19:29,849
So Mike made the motion, was there a second?

402
00:19:29,849 --> 00:19:30,849
Second.

403
00:19:30,849 --> 00:19:31,849
And they did send you the check and everything is here, right?

404
00:19:31,849 --> 00:19:32,849
Yeah, they pay cash if I have it.

405
00:19:32,849 --> 00:19:33,849
All right.

406
00:19:33,849 --> 00:19:34,849
So I have it.

407
00:19:34,849 --> 00:19:35,849
I'll just send it to us.

408
00:19:35,849 --> 00:19:37,420
I got it.

409
00:19:37,420 --> 00:19:41,269
Thank you.

410
00:19:41,269 --> 00:19:42,269
Yeah.

411
00:19:42,269 --> 00:19:43,269
Stayed up here.

412
00:19:43,269 --> 00:19:44,730
It goes to a couple of tax officials, they got no parallax left.

413
00:19:44,730 --> 00:19:57,640
Paranapse.

414
00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,529
Sold it to somebody two years ago who didn't pay that.

415
00:20:01,529 --> 00:20:03,430
That was it.

416
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:04,430
Yeah.

417
00:20:04,430 --> 00:20:07,380
Yeah.

418
00:20:07,380 --> 00:20:07,400
Yeah.

419
00:20:07,420 --> 00:20:27,119
Uniform municipal excess weight permit from Structural Wood Corporation.

420
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,420
That's a new one.

421
00:20:31,420 --> 00:20:40,339
Somebody must be doing something in town. Is there something about delivering those roof things?

422
00:20:40,339 --> 00:20:42,339
Somebody must be building here somewhere.

423
00:20:42,339 --> 00:20:50,000
Any new buildings going up?

424
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,000
Elpenwald.

425
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000
Elpenwald.

426
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,220
Thank you very much.

427
00:21:17,829 --> 00:21:19,829
Jason, take the check.

428
00:21:19,829 --> 00:21:28,490
That's it with correspondence?

429
00:21:28,490 --> 00:21:34,859
Not just the water system thing, but you probably have that too.

430
00:21:34,859 --> 00:21:38,180
Oh yeah, I've got it under new businesses.

431
00:21:38,180 --> 00:21:41,180
Okay, old business.

432
00:21:41,180 --> 00:21:47,099
Well, we've been working on permits.

433
00:21:47,099 --> 00:21:58,140
We've been working on the fee structure, the payment structure for the AO, and redesigning the permits.

434
00:21:58,140 --> 00:22:08,210
So, Lori, Deb, and I incorporated debt suggestions, the assessor's suggestions, a permit from another town.

435
00:22:08,210 --> 00:22:13,210
We combined them all into one, and hopefully there's quite a bit in here.

436
00:22:13,210 --> 00:22:18,210
You can see that there's a permit for the notice of building construction.

437
00:22:18,210 --> 00:22:29,849
That's for one small accessory building not exceeding 300 square feet or a farm building.

438
00:22:29,849 --> 00:22:36,980
And the only fee attached to that is the reporting fee because there's no fee.

439
00:22:36,980 --> 00:22:43,970
And the other one is application for building or conditional use permit.

440
00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:47,970
And that has all the fees attached to it.

441
00:22:47,970 --> 00:23:00,970
In previous years, everything was $100, whether you have a multi-family dwelling or just adding a deck onto a house.

442
00:23:00,970 --> 00:23:02,970
Everything was $100.

443
00:23:02,970 --> 00:23:06,349
So now we've kind of raised those fees

444
00:23:06,349 --> 00:23:14,480
because I think they were probably $100 for at least 25 years anyway.

445
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,329
So Deb has looked at them.

446
00:23:19,329 --> 00:23:22,000
Lori has looked at them.

447
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,150
I have a question, though.

448
00:23:24,150 --> 00:23:25,150
Yes.

449
00:23:25,150 --> 00:23:31,150
Just from last night, because it says on the building permit that you must have already gotten all your other permits,

450
00:23:31,150 --> 00:23:36,150
if you need a 911, if you need a driveway, and if you need a septic or water.

451
00:23:36,150 --> 00:23:40,339
But you were kind of looking at it like they shouldn't be doing the septic and water,

452
00:23:40,339 --> 00:23:44,339
until they go to the town and get the permit.

453
00:23:44,339 --> 00:23:51,339
Well, this whole, they can do the septic first.

454
00:23:51,339 --> 00:23:56,339
I was talking about like in the context of this subdivision and everything.

455
00:23:56,339 --> 00:24:00,759
I just didn't know if maybe we should be doing it the other way around.

456
00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:05,759
I'm wondering, where does the planning commission come into this when people want to subdivide?

457
00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:09,759
In the past, historically, it's supposed to go through the planning commission first.

458
00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:11,759
I don't know if this town has done it.

459
00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:12,759
It does.

460
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:15,759
Do you do a site plan review for anything more than two shows?

461
00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:18,759
I can approve two lots.

462
00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:20,759
Anything beyond that goes, yeah.

463
00:24:20,759 --> 00:24:25,759
So, Dave, to answer your question, this would have automatically been referred to the planning commission.

464
00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:35,430
And attached to both building permits is a graph, because a lot of the diagrams come in on the

465
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:38,230
Anapton.

466
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:39,230
Anapton.

467
00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:40,230
Anapton.

468
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:41,230
Back of a boat.

469
00:24:41,230 --> 00:24:45,329
Oh, a paper bag.

470
00:24:45,329 --> 00:24:47,329
And hopefully

471
00:24:47,329 --> 00:24:49,329
Now at least you can draw a straight line.

472
00:24:49,329 --> 00:24:51,329
Hopefully it will be easier for the AO.

473
00:24:51,329 --> 00:25:06,480
So we approve all the application fees, we just need to go into executive session later to finalize the AO fees.

474
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:12,140
There was one question, but other than that, this is all in.

475
00:25:12,140 --> 00:25:13,140
The fees and applications.

476
00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:29,450
the worry it's a go yeah it looks good i don't think we need a motion to approve them because

477
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:36,839
everything is according to our zoning bylaws they've got to follow them carolyn um this is

478
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:47,660
regarding permits yes uh i wanted to say that um with regard to the sign permitting i know that

479
00:25:47,660 --> 00:25:53,880
there was a question about whether there was actually a conversation with the ao and

480
00:25:53,880 --> 00:26:00,759
anyone who knows me knows that i take copious notes no matter what i'm involved with i brought

481
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:09,400
my original notebook with the notes that from the conversation that i had with the ao at the time

482
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:17,359
and i was told that no permit was needed for the town sign i also have copies i believe

483
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:17,640
you

484
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:23,880
all have we all have okay i just wanted to be really really clear about that and if anybody

485
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:32,000
wants to check the original dust document you're welcome to it uh carolyn on the new form

486
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:43,200
there is a spot for um the ao's action whether it's approved denied referred no permit needed

487
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,940
this form will be filed in the office with a check no permit needed

488
00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:49,160
and the

489
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:49,440
and the

490
00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:59,480
town is waiting the uh recording fee so it will be recorded and not just nothing verbal anymore

491
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:06,680
we've got to protect the town the ao people and hopefully this will never happen again okay i also

492
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:12,759
have a question related to that which is where's the town sign and who authorized removing it

493
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:20,019
we the select board authorized removing it i haven't seen where it's stored i believe it's

494
00:27:20,019 --> 00:27:26,789
up to the town garage but i don't know that does any i haven't seen where it is it's behind the town

495
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:38,140
garage stand shed did they all take it back what's that um me and the dog put it down with with the

496
00:27:38,140 --> 00:27:46,299
town equipment uh just the two of us and personal vehicles okay and is there any plan for a town sign

497
00:27:47,509 --> 00:27:51,130
not that i know of okay so we're a town without a sign

498
00:27:51,880 --> 00:28:00,440
um does the does the select board need to uh task the planning commission with looking into

499
00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:07,160
changing potentially changing the bylaws is that the chain of events if that were to be an option

500
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:14,970
absolutely sure is that something that a planning board would take up on their own

501
00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:22,170
we we haven't had our meeting yet and we have to reorganize the board with all the people that have

502
00:28:22,170 --> 00:28:23,789
left uh so

503
00:28:24,809 --> 00:28:28,410
they probably will address that or i certainly can bring it up

504
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:33,509
but does it have to come from the select board to the planning board to request that

505
00:28:34,150 --> 00:28:40,150
i can't answer that do you guys know i don't know this i don't know at some point we need to try to

506
00:28:40,150 --> 00:28:47,190
get a sign and then after we have to apply i'll reapply how is this i mean that's a question

507
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:48,390
oh then you can practice

508
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:52,950
it's going to be up to the chair this afternoon

509
00:28:54,309 --> 00:29:14,299
do you have a public hearing on your zoning on your zoning bylaws and you had your first public hearing that people can say hey i don't like this can you change it or i'd like to see this in the bylaws i think that's the process well i mean we can go ahead and put something together um my guess is

510
00:29:14,299 --> 00:29:19,160
you would have to have a town vote on it if you're going to change any of the dimensions that are in there now

511
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:24,200
right basically you have to amend you would have to amend the bylaws and yes right yes

512
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:36,619
Public hearing. Public hearing. But the select board final decision. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. I mean, we sign off on the. Right. Right. It goes back and forth. It goes back and forth. Yeah.

513
00:29:36,619 --> 00:29:45,720
If you, if the select board applied for another comment, it would be denied. Go back to the.

514
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:56,549
Planning board, if we apply for a different dimensional sign, or if we apply for a different area, and it didn't violate as many.

515
00:29:56,549 --> 00:30:05,690
Of the bylaws, it may still be able to pass. Right. Right. The, the, the should be able to help you walk through what's.

516
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:14,990
Going to pass. Okay. Here's a different sign. We're going to take that original sign and put it in a different spot. Or if there was a plan. Yes, absolutely.

517
00:30:15,059 --> 00:30:16,660
Have you guys.

518
00:30:16,660 --> 00:30:24,339
Discussed possibly having municipalities be exempt from zoning as, as most.

519
00:30:24,339 --> 00:30:40,180
Towns are, we did discuss it and it seems like we're yeah. I mean, I brought that law forward under interpretation. I guess everything is for everything, but it seems like, you know, signs. I mean, I want to be for for setbacks or something like that.

520
00:30:40,180 --> 00:30:46,640
So, I got signs for, you know, the school and municipalities fire station. I mean, that makes a lot of sense.

521
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,000
Signs that they should be.

522
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:58,519
The way that most municipalities, right. But that would still have hit for our lives.

523
00:30:59,140 --> 00:31:08,960
Hi, I agree with what you're saying, but if you dig further into the statute that you talk about, they generally follow excepted towns.

524
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,380
Right we, we put it back, we still have to follow whatever the standards are so.

525
00:31:14,380 --> 00:31:15,380
So we can go through and do it again.

526
00:31:15,380 --> 00:31:16,460
We can go through that bylaw.

527
00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:16,539
Bylaw.

528
00:31:16,539 --> 00:31:16,640
Bylaw.

529
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,279
look we're going to follow this right you've got to get approved by the time it would have

530
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:26,400
to be a town vote they would have to say yeah we're going to take all signs this size um

531
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:32,000
under these things you're going to end up with the same problem if you want the sign back there

532
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,240
you're going to send it to me it's going to get rejected it goes there it gets rejected

533
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,920
it's going to be so you've got to solve this right so it's going to have to be a bylaw

534
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,599
amendment that says municipalities are exempt and it goes to the town or

535
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:56,160
alter the sign so that it meets the bylaws right right i mean i i saw no creativity at all

536
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,920
of anybody trying to redesign that sign i mean that sign is not going to work on any

537
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,720
kind of alteration that i can see with it unless you're just going to say

538
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:10,160
if you cut it into three pieces and no if you make it stand forward it's exactly the work but

539
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,839
the sign is it stands now it's too big

540
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:20,079
uh if you make signs exempt exactly then we're exempt from the size then if we don't they're

541
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:26,000
not exempt from the size though they still have to follow right it's different you can take that

542
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,119
sign right now and cut it in three places and put it a millimeter apart now you have three separate

543
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:40,480
signs that fit dimensionally think about what i'm saying i mean that's just crazy why is it crazy

544
00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:43,599
because you can use the sign

545
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:49,599
well what i would say what i would say there wouldn't be enough gap as long as there's a gap

546
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:53,680
the reason why i would say it was crazy is because once we do it

547
00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:01,119
everybody can do it yes that's the problem yes so i would rather put it in stone that says

548
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:05,920
municipalities are exempt versus so the guy down the road says i'm going to put a sign up and it's

549
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:12,480
going to be a mass smoking sign and he breaks up the little pieces they can get away with it and we

550
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,119
can't we always try to get away with stuff that's right that's what government's up but the question

551
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:23,920
becomes why are you going through this because whatever you put in to try to accommodate that

552
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:31,599
sign the whole town can do it so not if it's just not exempt the municipality still has to follow

553
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:38,000
the town standard you can accept it not having a permit but it's most this is where you and i

554
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:45,279
differ it still follows town by a long standard david can you set a can you set a standard for

555
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:51,440
municipal signs separate from others i can't answer that all i could all i can answer is

556
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:57,440
what's done in vermont now the only way around the sign is that you either signs are exempt

557
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:03,599
or you amend the bylaws this sign or the old sign neither of our work they're both in violation

558
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,839
right this is where we are with the sign which i think it was mentioned if we brought

559
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:08,079
you all the way to the bottom of the slide if we brought you all the way to the bottom of the slide

560
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:08,159
which i think it was mentioned if we brought you all the way to the bottom of the slide

561
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:13,760
back it would be grandfather but i don't believe it will be now it's been down for too long well

562
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,559
those sign standards that we have now i believe are actually bigger than what they used to be

563
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:28,349
they were smaller than that right so i mean that that's an old sign was way out of

564
00:34:28,349 --> 00:34:33,389
way out of order as well i mean we have any business comes into this town now we've set

565
00:34:33,389 --> 00:34:39,070
a precedence that you're not getting a sign right that's what you're going to have that

566
00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:43,150
was the original intent i'm saying i think anyway when a little whole signs got brought into the

567
00:34:43,150 --> 00:34:48,829
bylaws right it was to have no signage in time right sally can we just get a sign out there that

568
00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:54,960
says town office i mean i sit here numerous times people are walking around this building they have

569
00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,719
no idea how to get in here they don't even know this is a town office okay so if you couldn't

570
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,159
sign out here they'll say

571
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:06,880
can you put something

572
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,119
on the building you could find

573
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:16,559
that you can only get that thing yeah but just tell us if we have a paint on the building we

574
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:22,800
call that art i think it's under our first amendment right now i got my spray can i think

575
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:28,719
you've got enough on the sign yeah yeah most definitely but if everyone wants it's always

576
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:34,719
creative ways to get around everything a little sign a third sign that's smaller than the original

577
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,039
two signs the bottom line is we have had enough on the sign that's right

578
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:44,639
that's right there's right now we can talk about what's the solution what's the solution

579
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,400
it has to go back to the bylaws is the only solution i see right

580
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,719
you gotta get a permit for it whether it's little or big whether

581
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,880
whether you're fixing the bylaws or not you must get the permit that's what we said for this

582
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,599
i mean the sign can only be four by three i believe according to the bottom yeah 12 square

583
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:08,960
right way so i thought it was three by four

584
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,679
to go down the biggest the sign can be is that much bigger than that this small picture up there

585
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,840
well you can put up as many as you want you can put up as many as you want

586
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,000
that's why i've said the other side you cut it in three it's still the same sign

587
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,239
just like the lady down here's got a farm stand sign she put it on a horse and says farm stand

588
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,960
right yeah is it did they get a permit for it

589
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:47,070
should they or what the farm eggs and broccoli i don't know it's agricultural so you know oh yeah

590
00:36:47,070 --> 00:36:51,309
i'm not going nowhere you're exempt or eggs out of your culture yeah plus we're right on the mass

591
00:36:51,309 --> 00:36:58,269
line right no no no i'm talking about the old new brian down there yes it's movable

592
00:37:01,150 --> 00:37:06,989
i know they're on legals

593
00:37:09,150 --> 00:37:14,989
there's a lot of things no meaning for me i don't know it's too limited that library sign is not

594
00:37:14,989 --> 00:37:19,630
movable that's a lot closer to the road than any other sign

595
00:37:21,070 --> 00:37:27,070
did anybody follow the accounts around to see if they're exempt yeah they are no they're not

596
00:37:27,070 --> 00:37:34,030
okay so you and i talked to different towns can i change the subject yeah i was gonna say

597
00:37:34,030 --> 00:37:38,909
we're not going to be solving the sign tonight okay

598
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:47,070
I'm not sure I am frustrated that the calendar is not ever updated on our

599
00:37:47,070 --> 00:37:54,039
website and I've tried to reach out to Marie I get nowhere so can we move on

600
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:58,360
from maybe her I know she had good intentions but it's not we don't even

601
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:03,679
know when the select board meetings are I mean nothing is planning Commission I

602
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:08,500
haven't even been noted notified I'm the zoning administrator I don't even know

603
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:11,500
when the Planning Commission

604
00:38:19,409 --> 00:38:24,010
agenda for this meeting saying

605
00:38:24,269 --> 00:38:33,079
emergency she couldn't do any postings and so I did put the agenda on I put it

606
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:39,559
on the calendar I did a planning commission this week I saw I

607
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:39,659
I did put the agenda on I put it on the calendar I did do the Planning Commission this week I saw it but I

608
00:38:39,659 --> 00:38:39,679
I saw it but I

609
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:39,699
I saw it but I

610
00:38:39,699 --> 00:38:45,219
only did the bare minimum that had to get posted because i don't want to step on her toes if she

611
00:38:45,219 --> 00:38:51,380
i mean we don't have green update on there we don't have like the subsequent um select board

612
00:38:51,380 --> 00:38:57,380
meetings just just the can we uh have laurie go back and do this it seems to work better if it

613
00:38:57,940 --> 00:39:02,659
stays right here at the office because she's getting the emails and forwarding them on to

614
00:39:02,659 --> 00:39:14,260
marie and she could just put them on and that way they'll be there that's what before marie

615
00:39:14,260 --> 00:39:20,420
did it he did it correct before marie did it people weren't happy with that and right and

616
00:39:20,420 --> 00:39:26,719
marie took it over and you're never gonna make everybody go no well it seems like there's

617
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:35,599
multiple people unhappy now so 50 50. 51 you win right exactly you know

618
00:39:36,929 --> 00:39:43,570
i think we had good intentions it's a volunteer thing it's nice to have volunteers in town but it

619
00:39:43,570 --> 00:39:54,610
is our website and it should be under our control i think so i mean it that's a correction i feel

620
00:39:54,610 --> 00:39:59,489
bad saying it but you know we should it's a correction under the planning board too well

621
00:39:59,489 --> 00:40:11,019
not the exhibition you're not a you're not exhibition from the select board my term expired

622
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,840
but i think you're still

623
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:20,159
still there it's still there it's automatic if you want to two two people from the select board

624
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:28,289
can be executed so the board should vote who they want basically that's fine but does that even

625
00:40:28,289 --> 00:40:32,690
though this board elected to go down to seven members i just thought the term i just thought

626
00:40:32,690 --> 00:40:39,789
the term was eliminated no there's still seven members of the planning board that are voting

627
00:40:39,789 --> 00:40:44,989
the ex-officio members would not be voting members right you could have a three-man board and have two

628
00:40:46,510 --> 00:40:48,590
budgets at a time if you have two sit better than four so you're going just like

629
00:40:48,590 --> 00:40:50,369
their needs it's just advisory on there's communication between the two

630
00:40:50,369 --> 00:40:54,269
you can leave me alone you can leave me on and i guess you would have to add

631
00:40:54,269 --> 00:40:59,710
jen he was backing off unless she quit she didn't renew as energy coordinator

632
00:40:59,710 --> 00:41:03,539
but she still should be on the planning board though as an ex officio

633
00:41:03,539 --> 00:41:08,179
wasn't she ex officio because she was the energy coordinator

634
00:41:08,179 --> 00:41:14,050
no she became ex officio because uh yeah because she was the energy coordinator but that was after the fact that she left rejection

635
00:41:14,050 --> 00:41:14,210
right

636
00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:15,210
but that was after the fact that she's back yeah yeah in the plan having to out forma when we're in reason 21 right right because when we have a rule and order thereigi Renee

637
00:41:15,210 --> 00:41:18,260
the fact that she was already on the plane for ex-officio.

638
00:41:20,659 --> 00:41:24,239
She didn't get ex-officio because she was the

639
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,360
energy coordinator. Now that she's not, she's not ex-officio.

640
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,739
But she was a member before she was the energy coordinator.

641
00:41:29,980 --> 00:41:33,699
If that doesn't allow her to be ex-officio, it has nothing to do with it.

642
00:41:33,699 --> 00:41:33,960
Right.

643
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:42,949
And a select board can have the two appointed by the board.

644
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:46,190
Yes. Two members can be ex-officio.

645
00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:50,739
So she's not on the board of planning commission.

646
00:41:51,420 --> 00:41:52,840
Unless there's a resignation.

647
00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:54,539
A loss for the town.

648
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,199
I think it's important that the select board has somebody that participates

649
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:04,139
because that clears up a lot of, you know,

650
00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:09,119
unfortunately this whole sign thing would have never happened if the right

651
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:10,500
people were in play, but they weren't.

652
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:12,440
I haven't been to a planning board meeting in a while,

653
00:42:12,539 --> 00:42:16,280
but the planning board pretty much less than visitors also speak.

654
00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:17,739
Yeah, of course. Absolutely.

655
00:42:18,059 --> 00:42:18,099
So if Jeff,

656
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:22,260
Kevin would want to still go to those meetings and put her, you know,

657
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,900
her knowledge involved, she could, but, you know,

658
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,679
that position really is just a position that, you know,

659
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:31,599
you can speak to anybody.

660
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:36,179
I come here and speak and I have nothing.

661
00:42:36,420 --> 00:42:36,800
I mean,

662
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,440
she didn't resign though.

663
00:42:38,579 --> 00:42:40,139
She was a valuable member of the team.

664
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:41,219
She didn't resign.

665
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,980
Her term expired.

666
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,679
She didn't write in and say she would pay.

667
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:45,440
She did.

668
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,320
She most certainly did.

669
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,059
She did write in.

670
00:42:48,059 --> 00:42:55,360
I think that the reason why she's ex-officio is because she was on the energy court.

671
00:42:55,539 --> 00:42:55,760
Right.

672
00:42:56,139 --> 00:42:56,739
Once she,

673
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,820
we were not on her board,

674
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:00,760
which she was resigned from that,

675
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,920
she can no longer have that position.

676
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,300
We were not on her board,

677
00:43:04,420 --> 00:43:07,099
but she was a voting member.

678
00:43:07,099 --> 00:43:08,599
She wanted to be a voting member.

679
00:43:08,619 --> 00:43:10,719
During the whole rewriting of the zone.

680
00:43:10,739 --> 00:43:12,159
Did she want to be on the planning board?

681
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:12,500
Yes.

682
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:16,940
I made no agency because I was on the select board about being ex-officio

683
00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:18,000
because I didn't want to come.

684
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,840
That's why when Jane early came back said,

685
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:22,039
well,

686
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:24,659
the energy coordinator has to be ex-officio too.

687
00:43:25,059 --> 00:43:26,880
Let's just move Jen to ex-officio.

688
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,659
She never left the board in any capacity and her term is not up.

689
00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:33,239
Her term is up on the planning board.

690
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,380
Her term is not up.

691
00:43:35,099 --> 00:43:35,820
I think it is.

692
00:43:36,059 --> 00:43:37,019
My term was up.

693
00:43:37,619 --> 00:43:38,159
Was it your turn?

694
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:40,480
Jen's term.

695
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:41,440
I saw that.

696
00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:43,599
Was it Jen's term up?

697
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:44,320
Well,

698
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,420
I don't know exactly how all that works and it's not,

699
00:43:46,420 --> 00:43:46,719
I mean.

700
00:43:47,260 --> 00:43:47,480
Well,

701
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:48,440
you have nine moving boards.

702
00:43:48,579 --> 00:43:53,019
You have nine numbers and she was one of them and then you moved to seven

703
00:43:53,019 --> 00:43:54,960
and she just became ex-officio.

704
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,059
So she wasn't part of the seven anymore.

705
00:43:58,260 --> 00:43:58,599
Right.

706
00:43:59,690 --> 00:44:00,289
And so it.

707
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:05,139
Did she stay ex-officio until the end of the term that she was?

708
00:44:05,139 --> 00:44:08,300
And then when she did it renew as energy coordinator,

709
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:14,949
she was no longer ex-officio and by the time that we received her letter,

710
00:44:14,949 --> 00:44:16,889
all the appointments had been made.

711
00:44:16,889 --> 00:44:17,489
So.

712
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:18,090
Well,

713
00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:18,690
a question.

714
00:44:18,989 --> 00:44:33,369
To answer your bill is if a select board was on ex-officio to the planning board till 2025 but was voted out in 2024 would they remain on the planning board?

715
00:44:33,369 --> 00:44:33,869
No.

716
00:44:33,869 --> 00:44:34,369
No.

717
00:44:34,369 --> 00:44:37,380
So therefore it's the same incident.

718
00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:41,880
I'm just saying if that's the reason why she's ex-officio or she was on a planning committee.

719
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,860
Yeah.

720
00:44:42,860 --> 00:44:44,260
Because she's on the planning committee.

721
00:44:44,260 --> 00:44:45,860
She's on the ledger, Jake.

722
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:48,940
I don't know if she's kind of late and then the CRA had.

723
00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:49,440
Right.

724
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:55,920
But she had said break in public meetings that she would resign energy coordinator to be a voting member of the planning board again.

725
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:56,420
Yes.

726
00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:56,920
So.

727
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,420
I mean,

728
00:44:57,420 --> 00:44:57,920
whatever.

729
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,280
It's not like you're nowhere near herself.

730
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,780
You can move on.

731
00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:01,280
Well, it is kind of important.

732
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,579
It's just the loss of that board.

733
00:45:02,579 --> 00:45:03,079
It is.

734
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:04,480
It's very important.

735
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:05,880
I kind of feel like it is here or there.

736
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:06,380
I'm sorry.

737
00:45:06,380 --> 00:45:08,500
Well, she's not here to fight for the position.

738
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:09,000
I know.

739
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:17,980
Which I wish she were but she's probably feeling kind of upset about what happened because she did send a letter and it was, you know.

740
00:45:17,980 --> 00:45:18,480
Right.

741
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:28,159
It was lost in the snail mail or email or wasn't received here and wasn't received by the board for our appointments.

742
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:31,340
But it came in to Lori in the morning of the meeting.

743
00:45:31,340 --> 00:45:38,940
So, you know, there's a human error here which I completely believe is something we're all capable of.

744
00:45:38,940 --> 00:45:39,440
Yeah.

745
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:39,940
Yeah.

746
00:45:39,940 --> 00:45:48,920
But in the face of that human error, I do think that having not heard from her that she wanted to resign and having her

747
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:54,900
previously said that she was interested in being off the Energy Commission to become a voting member.

748
00:45:54,900 --> 00:46:10,519
I really feel like she was done a huge disservice by, you know, I mean, maybe Albie could be on as an alternate or maybe there could be some other way that her position would be maintained.

749
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:14,170
That seems fair to me.

750
00:46:14,170 --> 00:46:15,650
That's my opinion.

751
00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:18,880
Okay.

752
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:23,679
I guess we're all set with that.

753
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:24,960
I don't really know.

754
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:25,460
Okay.

755
00:46:25,460 --> 00:46:26,460
Where do we go from here?

756
00:46:26,460 --> 00:46:28,559
I mean, she's not here.

757
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:30,590
She's not saying she wants this position.

758
00:46:30,590 --> 00:46:31,090
Right.

759
00:46:31,090 --> 00:46:35,090
And we have a full member, full board for the Planning Commission.

760
00:46:35,090 --> 00:46:37,090
If somebody resigns, whatever.

761
00:46:37,090 --> 00:46:37,590
Yes.

762
00:46:37,590 --> 00:46:41,590
I'm not in favor of going back to the people that we did appoint.

763
00:46:41,590 --> 00:46:42,090
No.

764
00:46:42,090 --> 00:46:45,090
I'm not in favor of that.

765
00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:53,019
I do believe if there was a human error, you know, I guess that's, you know, it is a mistake.

766
00:46:53,019 --> 00:46:56,050
But, you know, the letter is free.

767
00:46:56,050 --> 00:47:05,050
The letters that the other members that we did appoint came in, you know, far faster than the day of the meeting.

768
00:47:05,050 --> 00:47:08,440
And that error probably would have been caught.

769
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,440
But if your taxes are postmarked day out, they still count.

770
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:12,440
I don't see that.

771
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,440
Well, I understand.

772
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,440
That's right.

773
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:15,440
That's a qualifier, you know.

774
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,440
Whether or not she would have got voted in over someone else, we will never know.

775
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,440
Well, you know, there was one moment when discussing who got a four-year term and who got a one-year term.

776
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:32,440
Kurt was pointing out that it's the tradition that unless someone resigns, that they're reappointed.

777
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:38,260
You know, unless they've been, I don't know, in some way.

778
00:47:38,260 --> 00:47:43,260
Most of the time, that was traditional when someone else applied for the position.

779
00:47:43,260 --> 00:47:44,260
Right.

780
00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:49,260
We've had very little, in the past, people stepping up to the plate.

781
00:47:49,260 --> 00:47:52,260
And now we're fortunate enough to have more than enough.

782
00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:54,260
So it is an issue.

783
00:47:54,260 --> 00:47:56,260
But, you know, that might be true.

784
00:47:56,260 --> 00:47:59,420
That might be tradition, but that's not a rule.

785
00:47:59,420 --> 00:48:00,420
It's not a rule.

786
00:48:00,420 --> 00:48:04,420
No, and it may change over time because more and more people are interested in these positions.

787
00:48:04,420 --> 00:48:05,420
Right.

788
00:48:05,420 --> 00:48:06,420
You know.

789
00:48:06,420 --> 00:48:12,420
And we may want to change it as a board, whatever this board is, over time, too, to be more selective against these positions.

790
00:48:12,420 --> 00:48:16,420
You can always go to the town and have the town vote for the planning commission.

791
00:48:16,420 --> 00:48:18,710
That would take you guys right out of it.

792
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:20,710
It would be an independent board.

793
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:21,710
Like many towns do.

794
00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:22,710
Electing.

795
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:23,710
Okay.

796
00:48:23,710 --> 00:48:24,710
Elected.

797
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:25,710
That would solve all this.

798
00:48:25,710 --> 00:48:27,059
Yeah.

799
00:48:27,059 --> 00:48:28,059
But, you know.

800
00:48:28,059 --> 00:48:35,380
Right now, it is what it is, and we'll go forward.

801
00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:57,039
In our packet, Lori sent us a letter from the state of Vermont regarding a permit to operate for the Stanford Elementary School water system.

802
00:48:57,039 --> 00:49:00,409
For many, many, many reasons.

803
00:49:00,409 --> 00:49:22,469
For many, many, many, many, many years, the school has filled out the paperwork as the permit deed, and now the state wants to know, does the school own, who the owner is, the school or the town?

804
00:49:22,469 --> 00:49:28,079
They filled out it as location, but they always had the town.

805
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:29,079
As the owner.

806
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:30,079
As the permit deed on the owner.

807
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:31,079
On the owner.

808
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:32,079
On the owner.

809
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:33,079
Yep.

810
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:34,079
So.

811
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:35,079
One water system.

812
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:36,079
One water system.

813
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:39,300
I know this has been going on for a while.

814
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:43,420
Who owns the land and all this?

815
00:49:43,420 --> 00:49:51,900
I know Mr. Ben, the principal, Randy, has been talking to Lori about it, and I was in here one day, and he said, what do we do?

816
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:55,929
Well, whose name is the permit in, and he said the school.

817
00:49:55,929 --> 00:49:57,929
Let it go.

818
00:49:57,929 --> 00:49:59,349
Why change it?

819
00:49:59,349 --> 00:50:00,349
Why change it now?

820
00:50:00,349 --> 00:50:03,480
Well, I guess the state maybe doesn't like it.

821
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:04,480
So they send a letter.

822
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,480
They want to know if the school owns the land.

823
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,340
and we will have to sign the lease,

824
00:50:10,340 --> 00:50:11,739
say the school owns the land,

825
00:50:11,739 --> 00:50:14,880
otherwise we continue, say the town owns this,

826
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,650
and then there's a whole bunch of stuff in here.

827
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:28,460
Is that even in compliance, the water?

828
00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:30,260
Is it in compliance?

829
00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:32,590
Where are you getting the water from?

830
00:50:32,590 --> 00:50:36,849
Right there, out front.

831
00:50:36,849 --> 00:50:38,650
I'm gonna tell you, this is an opinion,

832
00:50:38,650 --> 00:50:41,190
this is not a board's dance.

833
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:44,449
I'm gonna tell you, every time the state asks questions,

834
00:50:44,449 --> 00:50:45,449
they pay attention.

835
00:50:45,449 --> 00:50:50,190
So, there's a reason why they're asking these questions.

836
00:50:50,190 --> 00:50:52,489
And I truly believe there's also a reason

837
00:50:52,489 --> 00:50:54,489
why they ask for ownership.

838
00:50:54,489 --> 00:50:58,869
I've gone down this road for 10 years now,

839
00:50:58,869 --> 00:51:01,489
arguing and looking at deeds,

840
00:51:01,489 --> 00:51:06,150
and I'm in belief, again, this is my opinion,

841
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:10,030
educated opinion, that the town and residents

842
00:51:10,030 --> 00:51:14,030
own this property 100%, after everything I've looked at,

843
00:51:14,449 --> 00:51:15,750
100%.

844
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:22,380
There is a law in place that the school has the rights

845
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,460
for the operational part of the school,

846
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:29,409
they're, for more like safety reasons than anything.

847
00:51:29,409 --> 00:51:31,190
And maintenance and all of that, yeah.

848
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:33,909
If we have these joint meetings ever,

849
00:51:33,909 --> 00:51:35,829
we can discuss this some more,

850
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:40,829
I would love to transfer the maintenance

851
00:51:41,530 --> 00:51:43,949
and permits to the town.

852
00:51:43,949 --> 00:51:45,989
It doesn't cost the townspeople

853
00:51:45,989 --> 00:51:49,949
any more money, whether you buy it from here or here.

854
00:51:49,949 --> 00:51:53,530
A matter of fact, my understanding is,

855
00:51:53,530 --> 00:51:56,449
our dollar goes farther on the town side.

856
00:51:56,449 --> 00:52:00,739
It's a no-brainer if you look at it as a business thing.

857
00:52:00,739 --> 00:52:02,820
Why are we playing this game,

858
00:52:02,820 --> 00:52:05,199
and why are we arguing about the whole of this?

859
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:07,800
Let's set this in stone at a meeting and say,

860
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,300
yes, we agree, school board and town,

861
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:16,300
and the town of Stanford, the residents own this property,

862
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:18,340
therefore, when we pull a permit,

863
00:52:18,340 --> 00:52:22,199
we tell the state, we're the permit for me.

864
00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:27,420
But if they, you know, I know they're gonna say,

865
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:29,519
well, is this water good?

866
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:32,110
Is this gonna be a liability?

867
00:52:32,110 --> 00:52:34,010
So, why are they asking us now?

868
00:52:34,010 --> 00:52:34,849
Right.

869
00:52:34,849 --> 00:52:35,690
That's why, why are they asking us?

870
00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:37,010
Because there's a reason why,

871
00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:38,530
they're gonna come back and say something.

872
00:52:38,530 --> 00:52:40,710
Right on the heels of the ocean.

873
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:45,710
Yeah, and there's also turmoil within the school

874
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:50,019
union, I guess you would call it,

875
00:52:50,019 --> 00:52:51,559
well, supervisor union, right?

876
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:54,300
There's problems already, we know that.

877
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:56,179
Things are going on behind the scenes

878
00:52:56,179 --> 00:52:58,300
that they're doing all these executive sessions

879
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:02,980
and emergency meetings, there's problems,

880
00:53:02,980 --> 00:53:06,280
and I truly believe that the state wants to merge,

881
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,639
they want to save money, they want to merge schools,

882
00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:12,280
and if they own this, what next?

883
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,519
What happens to the us?

884
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:15,480
What happens to this building?

885
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,280
Does it, can we lease it?

886
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,159
Do they charge us rent?

887
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:21,539
rent, do they bump it up, do they kick us out?

888
00:53:21,539 --> 00:53:24,880
Force consolidation, they'll probably use it for something.

889
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,869
We need, and if we have to create a lease,

890
00:53:28,869 --> 00:53:30,570
we create a lease with one dollar.

891
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:34,269
You know, that's all you have to do.

892
00:53:34,269 --> 00:53:37,389
But I think we should really push Erica and the board

893
00:53:37,389 --> 00:53:40,110
to have these joint meetings.

894
00:53:40,110 --> 00:53:41,989
Get going on this, we've been talking about it

895
00:53:41,989 --> 00:53:45,949
for a long time, and I know COVID kinda messed it up.

896
00:53:45,949 --> 00:53:48,510
Before COVID, we were talking about this.

897
00:53:48,510 --> 00:53:53,510
You know, we bought windows, and it cost us more money

898
00:53:54,090 --> 00:53:56,829
because we went through the school, you know?

899
00:53:56,829 --> 00:54:00,099
Our taxes don't go as far, let's do this.

900
00:54:00,099 --> 00:54:02,320
Stop kicking it down the road.

901
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,900
You know, what's that for me?

902
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:04,739
Yep.

903
00:54:05,860 --> 00:54:08,820
And I truly, truly, I would tell the state,

904
00:54:08,820 --> 00:54:11,840
I mean, if the principal wants to talk,

905
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,260
I'd talk to him and tell him,

906
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:16,019
let's tell the state with the town hall and this.

907
00:54:16,019 --> 00:54:17,760
Why didn't they ask us this last year

908
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,639
when they tested the water?

909
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:22,800
I think the water permit comes up every so often,

910
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,280
and it's time for renewal, and they've done all their things.

911
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,630
Isn't it a known fact that there's water problems

912
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:32,400
in the school?

913
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,110
Didn't they have on their agenda,

914
00:54:36,110 --> 00:54:38,949
a couple meetings ago, maybe 10 meetings ago or something,

915
00:54:38,949 --> 00:54:41,389
that there were some issues with the water,

916
00:54:41,389 --> 00:54:43,269
and they wanted to get a system in here

917
00:54:43,269 --> 00:54:44,349
to clean the water when, you know, I told them, it's, you know,

918
00:54:44,349 --> 00:54:45,349
I told them, it's, you know, I told them, it's, you know,

919
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:46,190
I told them, it's, you know, it's, you know,

920
00:54:46,210 --> 00:54:48,670
it only came up, it failed in one bathroom.

921
00:54:48,670 --> 00:54:52,389
It's not the water, it's the pipes in the bathroom.

922
00:54:52,389 --> 00:54:54,170
You know, it made sense.

923
00:54:54,170 --> 00:54:57,829
Yeah, and the principal would like to have the permit issued

924
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:59,989
and would like to just leave everything the way it is

925
00:54:59,989 --> 00:55:02,909
and move forward, and he responded to the state

926
00:55:02,909 --> 00:55:06,110
and said that, and so then she reached out to us to confirm

927
00:55:06,110 --> 00:55:09,210
that we're in agreement with that as well.

928
00:55:09,210 --> 00:55:09,849
Agreed.

929
00:55:09,849 --> 00:55:14,920
It just said it doesn't have, please notice that the permit

930
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,420
to operate does not have to be, you know,

931
00:55:16,420 --> 00:55:18,699
it does not have an expiration date.

932
00:55:18,699 --> 00:55:25,139
Although the permit to operate will be amended by this division

933
00:55:25,139 --> 00:55:27,400
as deemed necessary over time.

934
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,800
That's kind of an open thing.

935
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:29,880
Who does the amendment?

936
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,099
Well, that's kind of an open thing.

937
00:55:31,099 --> 00:55:31,880
The state.

938
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:32,179
Yeah.

939
00:55:32,179 --> 00:55:33,400
The state, oh.

940
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,300
But if you agree to put it forward as it's been,

941
00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:38,940
then they're not amending anything.

942
00:55:38,940 --> 00:55:39,780
At this time.

943
00:55:39,780 --> 00:55:40,280
Right, right.

944
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,440
So we have a problem doing that.

945
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:43,960
He did the way it is.

946
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,079
But I also want to, during this joint meeting, I want to.

947
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:48,320
Do you agree with Stanford?

948
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,059
No. Set this in stone.

949
00:55:50,059 --> 00:55:52,420
If you read the deeds, every deed says,

950
00:55:52,420 --> 00:55:55,840
how much Stanford, resident of Stanford, is that three deeds?

951
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,719
Inhabitants of the town of Stanford?

952
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,880
Yeah. So, I mean, it doesn't say school anywhere on there.

953
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,659
No, it's the resident's building.

954
00:56:04,659 --> 00:56:06,460
Get rid of this one thing and go on.

955
00:56:06,460 --> 00:56:08,219
Yeah.

956
00:56:08,219 --> 00:56:11,260
So I don't think we have to do anything, or you can write back

957
00:56:11,260 --> 00:56:12,559
and say it's the town of Stanford.

958
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:13,559
Yeah, agreed.

959
00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:17,420
Keep it as it always is, town of Stanford.

960
00:56:17,420 --> 00:56:18,579
And you agree?

961
00:56:18,579 --> 00:56:19,579
Confirm.

962
00:56:19,579 --> 00:56:20,579
Confirm.

963
00:56:20,579 --> 00:56:32,260
There's a problem we need to deal with, whether it's a school that deals with it or.

964
00:56:32,260 --> 00:56:32,760
Exactly.

965
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,420
It's got to be dealt with if there is a problem.

966
00:56:35,420 --> 00:56:40,099
I don't want to let, it just doesn't make sense if we say anywhere in history,

967
00:56:40,099 --> 00:56:44,199
anywhere going forward, oh, the school owns that.

968
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:46,949
And all of a sudden, there goes the practice.

969
00:56:46,949 --> 00:56:51,239
The only thing we're talking about, joining out of .

970
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,199
Really, we're going to be members of the Northern Berkshire School District.

971
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:56,159
Yeah.

972
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:57,500
Where's the practice going?

973
00:56:57,500 --> 00:56:58,000
If they.

974
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,500
If they decide to close the school down, which one do you want to close down?

975
00:57:00,500 --> 00:57:01,500
Ours.

976
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:02,500
Do they sell the property?

977
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:06,449
It's a victimized uneducation.

978
00:57:06,449 --> 00:57:07,449
Yeah.

979
00:57:07,449 --> 00:57:08,449
Okay.

980
00:57:08,449 --> 00:57:18,250
And I have one more thing in the new business that's, we attended a webinar yesterday on

981
00:57:18,250 --> 00:57:19,250
the open meeting law.

982
00:57:19,250 --> 00:57:20,250
Laurie was there.

983
00:57:20,250 --> 00:57:21,250
Lisa attended as a planning commission.

984
00:57:21,250 --> 00:57:22,250
I don't know, Deb, were you able to get on?

985
00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:23,250
I wasn't, no.

986
00:57:23,250 --> 00:57:30,820
Basically, the way, well, I took out of it is that we're doing everything we're supposed

987
00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:31,820
to be doing.

988
00:57:31,820 --> 00:57:32,820
So I think we're in compliance.

989
00:57:32,820 --> 00:57:37,949
I don't think there was anything that we should change.

990
00:57:37,949 --> 00:57:38,949
And just that, I saw the hammer there.

991
00:57:38,949 --> 00:57:41,519
But we've been pretty good lately, so.

992
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:42,519
Any other new business, Laurie?

993
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:43,519
New business board.

994
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:44,519
I would like to make a motion to go into executive session.

995
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:45,519
Second.

996
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:46,780
All in favor?

997
00:57:46,780 --> 00:57:47,780
Yes.

998
00:57:47,780 --> 00:57:48,780
And let's vote.

999
00:57:48,780 --> 00:57:49,780
Second.

1000
00:57:49,780 --> 00:57:50,780
All in favor?

1001
00:57:50,780 --> 00:57:51,780
Aye.

1002
00:57:51,780 --> 00:57:52,780
Opposed?

1003
00:57:52,780 --> 00:57:53,780
Aye.

1004
00:57:53,780 --> 00:57:54,780
Opposed?

1005
00:57:54,780 --> 00:57:55,780
Aye.

1006
00:57:55,780 --> 00:57:56,780
Opposed?

1007
00:57:56,780 --> 00:57:57,780
Aye.

1008
00:57:57,780 --> 00:57:58,780
Opposed?

1009
00:57:58,780 --> 00:57:59,780
Aye.

1010
00:57:59,780 --> 00:58:03,619
Opposed?

1011
00:58:03,619 --> 00:58:04,619
Aye.

1012
00:58:04,619 --> 00:58:05,619
Opposed?

1013
00:58:05,619 --> 00:58:06,619
Aye.

1014
00:58:06,619 --> 00:58:07,619
Opposed?

1015
00:58:07,619 --> 00:58:08,619
Aye.

1016
00:58:08,619 --> 00:58:12,980
Opposed?

1017
00:58:12,980 --> 00:58:13,980
Aye.

1018
00:58:13,980 --> 00:58:14,980
Aye.

1019
00:58:14,980 --> 00:58:15,980
All right.

1020
00:58:15,980 --> 00:58:20,980
And the motion to, to go into executive session is for, the motion to go into executive

1021
00:58:20,980 --> 00:58:23,719
session to discuss tax sale and personnel matter.

1022
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:36,130
So, first, Sally I think will be asking the person to come in.

1023
00:58:36,130 --> 00:58:37,130
I'm second.

1024
00:58:37,130 --> 00:58:38,130
No.

1025
00:58:38,130 --> 00:58:45,130
lift the floor, lift the seats...

1026
00:58:45,130 --> 00:58:46,269
Okay, good. Thank you.