1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,140 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God's justice for all. 2 00:00:15,140 --> 00:00:28,350 We have a matter of order to discuss that is not included on the agenda, and we do so by addressing the chairperson and stating her name in the address. 3 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:34,759 You will notice that all our meetings are recorded, and this is to aid the summarization of the minutes. 4 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:40,240 Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comment per visitor and 15 minutes for topic. 5 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,719 Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner, and respectful of others. 6 00:00:45,079 --> 00:00:46,960 Select board members present are 7 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:55,960 Will there be any adding of items to tonight's agenda? 8 00:00:59,539 --> 00:01:03,579 Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, such as changing the order of the items? 9 00:01:11,750 --> 00:01:16,069 Hearing visitors, Lisa. 10 00:01:16,069 --> 00:01:18,129 I just have a quick question. 11 00:01:18,670 --> 00:01:22,329 With all due respect, I was just wondering how the Planning Commission, 12 00:01:22,689 --> 00:01:26,909 the assignment seats were given out, because it wasn't really discussed last select board meeting, 13 00:01:27,090 --> 00:01:28,650 so I was wondering how it was decided. 14 00:01:29,370 --> 00:01:32,450 I'm not trying to change anything or anything like that, I'm just curious. 15 00:01:32,450 --> 00:01:34,230 Did we say what seat? 16 00:01:34,909 --> 00:01:40,950 It wasn't what we talked about, so I just picked the first appointment and just kind of ran with it. 17 00:01:41,930 --> 00:01:45,230 Oh, because there's year terms? 18 00:01:45,909 --> 00:01:49,170 Well, Lisa, you went in for Deb. 19 00:01:50,409 --> 00:01:51,870 Or did she? I don't know. 20 00:01:52,290 --> 00:01:53,030 It wasn't discussed. 21 00:01:53,230 --> 00:01:53,909 It wasn't discussed. 22 00:01:54,569 --> 00:02:01,480 I mean, Aaron said he did not want to run again, so we appointed Peter. 23 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:02,980 Maybe I just put him in, too. 24 00:02:03,500 --> 00:02:04,500 Then Deb resigned. 25 00:02:04,939 --> 00:02:08,159 I think Lisa was first, though, right? 26 00:02:09,270 --> 00:02:10,830 I put my letter in first. 27 00:02:11,009 --> 00:02:12,330 Yeah, her letter was first. 28 00:02:12,330 --> 00:02:13,150 She was also. 29 00:02:13,979 --> 00:02:16,000 We made the motion with Lisa first, too. 30 00:02:16,300 --> 00:02:19,120 No, the motion was first for Peter from John. 31 00:02:19,659 --> 00:02:20,639 Oh, okay, I thought it was more. 32 00:02:21,740 --> 00:02:24,659 It doesn't matter to me, I was just curious, because, you know. 33 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,060 We like rules in this town, for some reason. 34 00:02:27,740 --> 00:02:34,500 I just assumed that when Deb resigned, we just put Lisa in there, because we said, 35 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,800 yeah, I'm just kind of watching the order of, but I guess it's at your discretion, 36 00:02:39,939 --> 00:02:40,780 why do you want to do it? 37 00:02:44,389 --> 00:02:47,669 Well, it's something like that should have been determined, but I don't know. 38 00:02:49,060 --> 00:02:52,479 I just assumed they were all on two the same terms for some reason. 39 00:02:52,819 --> 00:02:54,139 No, Lisa's got one year. 40 00:02:54,139 --> 00:02:58,340 It was up for renewal and one resigned during a term, so then it was just finished. 41 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:05,409 I mean, I would say generally what happens when you're in an appointed position, as long 42 00:03:05,409 --> 00:03:11,069 as you want to keep doing the position, I mean, there's no reason if you're in the position 43 00:03:11,069 --> 00:03:14,469 of doing it that this board here wouldn't appoint you to that position. 44 00:03:15,090 --> 00:03:16,490 It's not usually a runoff. 45 00:03:16,629 --> 00:03:16,810 Right. 46 00:03:16,990 --> 00:03:18,469 Yeah, no, I was just interested. 47 00:03:19,250 --> 00:03:19,849 That's fine. 48 00:03:20,349 --> 00:03:21,189 That's fine with me. 49 00:03:22,340 --> 00:03:22,580 Yeah. 50 00:03:24,030 --> 00:03:26,569 So now we still have an open position now, right? 51 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:29,819 No, I don't think so. 52 00:03:29,819 --> 00:03:31,000 Do you want to do that? 53 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:31,319 Now? 54 00:03:32,389 --> 00:03:32,750 Okay. 55 00:03:33,759 --> 00:03:34,659 Sorry, I didn't mean to. 56 00:03:34,979 --> 00:03:35,699 Was I out of order? 57 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,219 No, Karen, is there a show? 58 00:03:38,740 --> 00:03:40,620 Is there an open position still? 59 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:41,060 I don't know. 60 00:03:41,300 --> 00:03:43,539 Is Jen now staying on the board? 61 00:03:44,020 --> 00:03:44,860 I think there is. 62 00:03:45,340 --> 00:03:49,759 I said something about a resignation reaffirm that on the agenda, I thought. 63 00:03:50,659 --> 00:03:53,819 Yeah, I had a few emails that came in after last. 64 00:03:53,819 --> 00:03:56,280 Maybe they were just getting back, maybe they got back to sleep. 65 00:03:57,659 --> 00:03:58,319 I don't know. 66 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:01,319 Maura said she accepts. 67 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:03,879 That's the position of septic officer. 68 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:05,879 Yeah, this is her resignation. 69 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:06,379 That's good. 70 00:04:06,379 --> 00:04:10,879 We have a resignation from Carolyn Brooks from the Planning Commission. 71 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:11,379 Mm-hmm. 72 00:04:11,379 --> 00:04:12,879 And this is a letter. 73 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:13,969 And this is. 74 00:04:13,969 --> 00:04:14,969 This is Aldi. 75 00:04:14,969 --> 00:04:15,969 This is Aldi. 76 00:04:15,969 --> 00:04:19,480 Yeah, Aldi presented it last week. 77 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:20,480 Oh, he's here. 78 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:21,480 He's here. 79 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:22,550 Yeah. 80 00:04:22,550 --> 00:04:24,550 So has Jen Hughes gotten back to anybody? 81 00:04:24,550 --> 00:04:25,550 Yeah. 82 00:04:25,550 --> 00:04:26,550 I don't know. 83 00:04:26,550 --> 00:04:29,550 I mean, she's on the board. 84 00:04:29,550 --> 00:04:30,550 Right. 85 00:04:30,550 --> 00:04:31,550 But we have another resignation now, right? 86 00:04:31,550 --> 00:04:32,550 Yeah. 87 00:04:32,550 --> 00:04:33,550 This is the third resignation. 88 00:04:33,550 --> 00:04:34,550 Right. 89 00:04:34,550 --> 00:04:35,550 This is the third resignation. 90 00:04:35,550 --> 00:04:36,550 Carolyn Brooks resigned. 91 00:04:36,550 --> 00:04:37,550 Erin, dad right now, Carolyn. 92 00:04:37,550 --> 00:04:38,550 So Jen's on the board. 93 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:39,709 I don't know if she expressed interest at one time as becoming a voting member. 94 00:04:39,709 --> 00:04:40,709 She doesn't vote now because she's the energy coordinator. 95 00:04:40,709 --> 00:04:41,709 But I don't think she responded to that. 96 00:04:41,709 --> 00:04:42,709 She has not responded. 97 00:04:42,709 --> 00:04:43,709 She was sent a letter asking if she wanted to. 98 00:04:43,709 --> 00:04:44,709 So? 99 00:04:44,709 --> 00:04:45,709 Oh, no. 100 00:04:45,709 --> 00:04:46,709 She was sent a letter for her energy coordinator, which is a one-year. 101 00:04:46,709 --> 00:04:47,709 Oh, okay. 102 00:04:47,709 --> 00:04:48,709 So she's on the board. 103 00:04:48,709 --> 00:04:49,709 Yeah. 104 00:04:49,709 --> 00:04:50,709 So she's on the board. 105 00:04:50,709 --> 00:04:51,709 Yeah. 106 00:04:51,709 --> 00:04:52,709 So she's on the board. 107 00:04:52,709 --> 00:04:53,709 Yeah. 108 00:04:53,709 --> 00:04:54,709 So she's on the board. 109 00:04:54,709 --> 00:04:55,709 Yeah. 110 00:04:55,709 --> 00:04:57,089 So she's on the board. 111 00:04:57,089 --> 00:04:58,089 Yeah. 112 00:04:58,089 --> 00:04:59,089 Yeah. 113 00:04:59,089 --> 00:05:00,089 Yeah. 114 00:05:00,089 --> 00:05:01,089 Yeah. 115 00:05:03,089 --> 00:05:04,189 So she's on the board. 116 00:05:04,189 --> 00:05:05,189 Yeah. 117 00:05:05,189 --> 00:05:06,319 So she's on the board. 118 00:05:06,319 --> 00:05:07,319 Yeah. 119 00:05:07,319 --> 00:05:08,319 Yeah. 120 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:09,319 She's on the board. 121 00:05:09,319 --> 00:05:11,019 But she's on the board. 122 00:05:11,019 --> 00:05:12,019 Yeah. 123 00:05:12,019 --> 00:05:13,019 Yeah. 124 00:05:13,019 --> 00:05:14,019 So that's a good thing that she's on the board. 125 00:05:14,019 --> 00:05:15,019 So I don't know where interest is being a voting member on the board at this point. 126 00:05:15,019 --> 00:05:16,019 I think we should ask her. 127 00:05:16,019 --> 00:05:17,019 We should find out. 128 00:05:17,019 --> 00:05:18,019 I mean, she's a viable member. 129 00:05:18,019 --> 00:05:19,019 She's knowledgeable of what's going on. 130 00:05:19,019 --> 00:05:20,019 She's pretty . 131 00:05:20,019 --> 00:05:21,019 Why didn't she respond when it got sent? 132 00:05:21,019 --> 00:05:22,019 I don't know. 133 00:05:22,019 --> 00:05:23,019 I don't. 134 00:05:23,019 --> 00:05:24,019 Just a suggestion. 135 00:05:24,019 --> 00:05:25,790 I mean, she's a pretty valuable member of the board. 136 00:05:25,790 --> 00:05:26,790 I'm not sure of the vote. 137 00:05:26,790 --> 00:05:27,790 I'm not sure if she's on the board. 138 00:05:27,790 --> 00:05:28,790 Yeah. 139 00:05:28,790 --> 00:05:29,790 I mean, things are going really well in this. 140 00:05:29,790 --> 00:05:33,290 I mean, she's a she's a pretty valuable member of the board 141 00:05:49,660 --> 00:05:52,180 Also, I'm saying if you're saying that you like 142 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:04,699 I 143 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,199 said 144 00:06:34,199 --> 00:06:36,199 These positions are open 145 00:06:50,790 --> 00:06:53,170 You should respond to the other one 146 00:06:56,649 --> 00:07:03,819 Just my feeling that is that we have a letter from somebody who did say I'm interested in being on board 147 00:07:04,420 --> 00:07:10,120 And I think we should go he took the time to come forward and say I want to be on the board 148 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,209 I think we should consider that 149 00:07:12,209 --> 00:07:14,759 I think so too 150 00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:16,759 She could still go to the meeting 151 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:28,069 So 152 00:07:28,069 --> 00:07:30,069 We should accept 153 00:07:30,069 --> 00:07:32,069 There's an opening for Aldi Finney to get in, correct? 154 00:07:32,069 --> 00:07:36,069 So let's make a motion for Aldi Finney to take the spot 155 00:07:36,069 --> 00:07:40,069 Can we accept Carolyn Brooks' resignation first? 156 00:07:40,069 --> 00:07:43,250 I'll make a motion 157 00:07:43,250 --> 00:07:45,250 I'll make a motion to accept Carolyn Brooks 158 00:07:45,250 --> 00:07:46,250 Second 159 00:07:46,250 --> 00:07:47,250 All in favor 160 00:07:47,250 --> 00:07:48,250 Aye 161 00:07:48,250 --> 00:07:49,250 Now go ahead, John 162 00:07:49,250 --> 00:07:55,250 Motion for Aldi Finney to take Bolton's spot as planning board committee 163 00:07:55,250 --> 00:07:59,350 To expire in 2027 164 00:07:59,350 --> 00:08:00,350 Second 165 00:08:00,350 --> 00:08:02,350 Boy, that's quite a commitment 166 00:08:02,350 --> 00:08:05,759 It sounds like they believe 167 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:12,050 And motion for Morrow to be septic officer 168 00:08:12,050 --> 00:08:14,470 Motion for Morrow to be septic officer 169 00:08:14,470 --> 00:08:16,470 She said she was interested in staying 170 00:08:16,470 --> 00:08:17,470 Second 171 00:08:17,470 --> 00:08:18,470 All in favor 172 00:08:18,470 --> 00:08:19,470 Aye 173 00:08:19,470 --> 00:08:30,750 Any other, any other visitors for 174 00:08:30,750 --> 00:08:38,649 Reading and approval of records and orders 175 00:08:38,649 --> 00:08:39,809 Motion to accept 176 00:08:39,809 --> 00:08:40,809 Oh wait, okay, go ahead 177 00:08:40,809 --> 00:08:41,809 Motion to accept 178 00:08:41,809 --> 00:08:43,799 Any second 179 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:44,799 Second 180 00:08:44,799 --> 00:08:45,799 All in favor 181 00:08:45,799 --> 00:08:46,799 Aye 182 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:48,799 And before we go on 183 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:53,149 I just want to make note that 184 00:08:53,149 --> 00:08:55,149 Jeb, are you recording tonight? 185 00:08:55,149 --> 00:08:58,000 Mmm 186 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Okay 187 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,000 I think we should make note every meeting that if Jeb is recording it 188 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,000 We should let the audience know 189 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,000 That you may be on 190 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Can't be somewhere 191 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,000 But what's it doing with me? 192 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,039 They're not ours 193 00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:10,039 They're Jeb's 194 00:09:10,039 --> 00:09:11,039 I think there's a body of law 195 00:09:11,039 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00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:10,100 It's 242 00:10:10,100 --> 00:10:11,100 It's 243 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:12,100 It's 244 00:10:12,100 --> 00:10:13,100 It's 245 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:14,100 It's 246 00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:15,100 It's 247 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:24,409 uh lost control consultant for the league and he wants to come down and inspect the garage 248 00:10:25,210 --> 00:10:31,929 and he'll come to the town office to make sure we're in compliance with all our forms paperwork 249 00:10:33,309 --> 00:10:42,940 and protects us in case we get an osha inspection but he works for us so he's telling us 250 00:10:42,940 --> 00:10:51,799 and dave knows about it um it's going to be on april 12th 251 00:10:55,710 --> 00:11:03,000 no i'm hoping he calls the day before because he said he's available anytime 252 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,210 and we'll watch the weather too is that something you want to attend 253 00:11:08,279 --> 00:11:19,980 be part of that supervisor of the roads road liaison yeah it consists of the contact between 254 00:11:20,779 --> 00:11:24,059 the residents and the road commissioner the way i understand that basically 255 00:11:24,460 --> 00:11:29,720 i'm in charge of much of anything wayne hasn't been down there in years 256 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:50,159 that recommended the cdl policy for a road in your box i hope it's in there the response from green 257 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:57,600 mountain power for the last outage i believe i put it in dave's box i'm not sure if you saw it 258 00:12:01,389 --> 00:12:09,320 this is from mike burke and this was regarding the february 29th power outage where he was they 259 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:10,440 were prepared at 60. 260 00:12:10,519 --> 00:12:15,720 16 power crews and eight tree crews but within three hours their outages went from zero 261 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:24,460 to 105 incidents in their area with fires and blocked roads and mike said they did follow the 262 00:12:24,460 --> 00:12:32,379 their osha guidelines and they did turn off the power which dave said the power was off 263 00:12:33,179 --> 00:12:40,539 but before asked one of whoever the tree service could work on it they realized that there was no 264 00:12:42,460 --> 00:12:48,759 power was not tested and grounded by green mountain power so that's why the tree service 265 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:56,539 could not cut that tree and dave should not have cut it either because just in case it wasn't 266 00:12:56,539 --> 00:13:03,340 grounded or turned off properly but i did explain to him about the fire truck not being able to 267 00:13:03,340 --> 00:13:10,799 respond and he said they're trying to listen and improve and sorry that it happened and he 268 00:13:10,799 --> 00:13:14,399 did not believe we were without power for two and a half days but 269 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:26,480 really but all he looked at was the mill road county road area we were off for close to three 270 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:33,600 up there he said he checked the meters they can do it remotely okay i need to watch that yeah 271 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,120 it's a little bit of time to slow down 272 00:13:38,879 --> 00:13:40,720 showing the meter on my generator 273 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,879 and there is a training video at vermont fire 274 00:13:45,039 --> 00:13:49,519 academy that would be helpful to our fire department emergency management and highway 275 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:56,559 workers regarding downed trees and on power lines and all that so if they're interested 276 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,159 fire department has they have come down on occasion it's probably 20 years now 277 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:10,799 that's what he said they used to do that but now they do it through the vermont fire academy right 278 00:14:10,799 --> 00:14:14,480 up there and you take your training or whoever takes training 279 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:28,110 so you think it's useful i have mike burke's phone number and can contact him or mention it to paul 280 00:14:32,279 --> 00:14:39,049 but i think this power outage yesterday they might have been really staged close by because 281 00:14:39,049 --> 00:14:46,490 they seem to be here right away the outage that was my opinion usually when they were on defense 282 00:14:46,490 --> 00:14:48,250 they were able to get it out it was a huge problem 283 00:14:48,809 --> 00:14:53,309 because he was a great resource person when he worked for the power company. 284 00:14:53,309 --> 00:14:57,809 Well, I think he's there because we saw him with the tree service. 285 00:14:57,809 --> 00:15:00,809 He's still working for him, but he's obviously out of town. 286 00:15:00,809 --> 00:15:02,809 I don't know if he's, yeah. 287 00:15:02,809 --> 00:15:03,809 They're in the village pretty quickly. 288 00:15:03,809 --> 00:15:04,809 He was there yesterday. 289 00:15:04,809 --> 00:15:05,809 Oh, John? 290 00:15:05,809 --> 00:15:06,809 John. 291 00:15:06,809 --> 00:15:07,809 Oh, John. 292 00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:12,870 I have nothing else. 293 00:15:12,870 --> 00:15:14,870 I have something for you. 294 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:15,870 Yes. 295 00:15:15,870 --> 00:15:20,870 Just to report, I've worked hours, hours, hours, hours, hours in the past couple weeks 296 00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:24,870 trying to get everything done with FEMA. 297 00:15:24,870 --> 00:15:32,929 This is from the July flooding where we had several rows that had washouts or problems. 298 00:15:32,929 --> 00:15:36,929 It is awful to work with FEMA. 299 00:15:36,929 --> 00:15:40,929 I went through about five different people in I don't know how many different forms 300 00:15:40,929 --> 00:15:45,929 because every other person has a different set of forms they want me to fill out for the same damage. 301 00:15:45,929 --> 00:15:55,929 So we were able to submit five rows this week that totaled about $58,000. 302 00:15:55,929 --> 00:16:04,029 And the road that we submitted last fall, they kicked back and refused to accept 303 00:16:04,029 --> 00:16:11,029 because they didn't agree with the culver upsides that we did to mitigate problems. 304 00:16:11,029 --> 00:16:15,029 We had to get on the horn with Vermont AOT, 305 00:16:15,029 --> 00:16:16,029 who, 306 00:16:16,029 --> 00:16:18,029 jumped our deal with both feet, 307 00:16:18,029 --> 00:16:19,029 made phone calls, 308 00:16:19,029 --> 00:16:20,029 sent emails, 309 00:16:20,029 --> 00:16:21,029 did research, 310 00:16:21,029 --> 00:16:22,029 came down, 311 00:16:22,029 --> 00:16:23,029 looked at it, 312 00:16:23,029 --> 00:16:25,029 and then worked with FEMA to explain, 313 00:16:25,029 --> 00:16:26,029 this is how we do it, 314 00:16:26,029 --> 00:16:27,029 why we do it, 315 00:16:27,029 --> 00:16:30,029 and that they take care of everything properly. 316 00:16:30,029 --> 00:16:32,480 So they really supported us, 317 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,960 and FEMA was able to accept that, 318 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:46,210 and so now they're going to put the Klondike Road damages back into the portal for approval. 319 00:16:46,210 --> 00:16:47,210 The only one that we have, 320 00:16:47,210 --> 00:16:50,210 we still have outstanding is Ewell Road. 321 00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:52,210 It's about $61,000, 322 00:16:52,210 --> 00:16:55,210 but the guardrails have to be replaced. 323 00:16:55,210 --> 00:16:58,210 So until the guardrail company can come out and do it, 324 00:16:58,210 --> 00:16:59,210 and give us a bill, 325 00:16:59,210 --> 00:17:00,210 that's still pending. 326 00:17:00,210 --> 00:17:04,440 But everything else from this life run is now similar. 327 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,789 I know this has taken you an extreme amount of time, 328 00:17:07,789 --> 00:17:09,789 more than it ever has. 329 00:17:09,789 --> 00:17:12,789 I mean, you went through Irene, Hurricane Irene. 330 00:17:12,789 --> 00:17:13,789 It was a piece of cake. 331 00:17:13,789 --> 00:17:14,789 Yeah. 332 00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:15,789 Yeah. 333 00:17:15,789 --> 00:17:16,880 But, 334 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,880 I hope you put it in your time. 335 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,039 Yeah, because the town should, 336 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:24,099 at the end of the day, 337 00:17:24,099 --> 00:17:26,099 be reimbursed even for all of my time. 338 00:17:26,099 --> 00:17:27,099 Right. 339 00:17:27,099 --> 00:17:28,099 On the FEMA project. 340 00:17:28,099 --> 00:17:29,099 Great. 341 00:17:29,099 --> 00:17:33,099 Will BCRC not help us out with any of the paperwork, 342 00:17:33,099 --> 00:17:34,099 or anything? 343 00:17:34,099 --> 00:17:35,099 You know, 344 00:17:35,099 --> 00:17:36,160 we give them money every year. 345 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,200 Yeah, BCRC doesn't help. 346 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,319 There's supposed to be a state-assigned person 347 00:17:43,319 --> 00:17:46,319 that's supposed to help us and be our liaison 348 00:17:46,319 --> 00:17:47,319 between, 349 00:17:47,319 --> 00:17:48,319 you know, 350 00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:49,319 the town and FEMA, 351 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:50,319 but he seems to be MIA, 352 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:53,319 and I'm just kind of working through it 353 00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:54,319 with the FEMA people. 354 00:17:54,319 --> 00:17:56,250 But, 355 00:17:56,250 --> 00:17:57,250 I mean, 356 00:17:57,250 --> 00:17:58,250 I have had women who want to know what gravel is. 357 00:17:58,250 --> 00:17:59,250 Oh, dear Lord. 358 00:17:59,250 --> 00:18:00,250 Oh, wow. 359 00:18:00,250 --> 00:18:01,250 So, 360 00:18:01,250 --> 00:18:02,250 that's where we're at. 361 00:18:02,250 --> 00:18:03,250 And we, 362 00:18:03,250 --> 00:18:04,250 you know, 363 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:05,250 we went from an 18-inch culvert 364 00:18:05,250 --> 00:18:06,250 to a 24-inch culvert, 365 00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:07,250 which is standard in this area. 366 00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:08,250 And she looked up in her magazine 367 00:18:08,250 --> 00:18:09,250 and found that you could get a 21-inch. 368 00:18:09,250 --> 00:18:10,250 So, 369 00:18:10,250 --> 00:18:11,250 in her book, 370 00:18:11,250 --> 00:18:12,250 we went up two steps. 371 00:18:12,250 --> 00:18:13,250 So, 372 00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:14,250 you know, 373 00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:15,250 we went up two steps. 374 00:18:15,250 --> 00:18:16,250 And, 375 00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:17,250 you know, 376 00:18:17,250 --> 00:18:18,250 in her book, 377 00:18:18,250 --> 00:18:19,250 we went up two size culverts, 378 00:18:19,250 --> 00:18:20,250 which isn't a lot. 379 00:18:20,250 --> 00:18:21,250 You're only allowed to go up one. 380 00:18:21,250 --> 00:18:24,730 But it's a special order, 381 00:18:24,730 --> 00:18:25,730 really expensive. 382 00:18:25,730 --> 00:18:26,730 It's something we just don't do around here. 383 00:18:26,730 --> 00:18:27,730 So, 384 00:18:27,730 --> 00:18:28,730 they refused to accept it, 385 00:18:28,730 --> 00:18:30,119 and it just put everything, 386 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:31,119 you know, 387 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:32,119 back weeks and weeks. 388 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,119 That's where the Agency of Transportation guys 389 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:34,119 really helped us out 390 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,119 and showed them around here, 391 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,119 we don't do 21 inches. 392 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:37,529 18 to 21 is a negligible amount. 393 00:18:37,529 --> 00:18:38,529 So, 394 00:18:38,529 --> 00:18:39,529 that's where the agency of transportation guys 395 00:18:39,529 --> 00:18:40,529 really helped us out 396 00:18:40,529 --> 00:18:41,529 and showed them, 397 00:18:41,529 --> 00:18:42,529 around here, 398 00:18:42,529 --> 00:18:43,529 we don't do 21 inches. 399 00:18:43,529 --> 00:18:44,529 18 to 21 is a negligible amount. 400 00:18:44,529 --> 00:18:45,529 So, 401 00:18:45,529 --> 00:18:46,529 you know, 402 00:18:46,529 --> 00:18:47,529 that's where we're at. 403 00:18:47,529 --> 00:18:48,529 So, 404 00:18:48,529 --> 00:18:49,880 you know, 405 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:50,880 the 18 to 24 406 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:51,880 is what Dave put in 407 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:52,880 and it was the correct size 408 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:53,880 and the correct way 409 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:54,880 to do it. 410 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,619 Thank you, 411 00:18:56,619 --> 00:18:57,619 Lori, 412 00:18:57,619 --> 00:18:58,619 for all your time 413 00:18:58,619 --> 00:18:59,619 you're putting in on this. 414 00:18:59,619 --> 00:19:00,619 I mean, 415 00:19:00,619 --> 00:19:01,619 you're taking time 416 00:19:01,619 --> 00:19:02,619 from your regular work 417 00:19:02,619 --> 00:19:03,619 and everything else 418 00:19:03,619 --> 00:19:04,619 that's going on 419 00:19:04,619 --> 00:19:05,619 to deal with FEMA. 420 00:19:05,619 --> 00:19:06,619 It's got to be done. 421 00:19:06,619 --> 00:19:07,619 I know, 422 00:19:07,619 --> 00:19:08,619 it's got to be done, 423 00:19:08,619 --> 00:19:09,619 but it's there. 424 00:19:09,619 --> 00:19:10,619 Sometimes, 425 00:19:10,619 --> 00:19:11,619 I wonder if it's worth it. 426 00:19:11,619 --> 00:19:12,720 You know, 427 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:13,720 they give you money, 428 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:14,720 but... 429 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:15,720 It could be the way of the future. 430 00:19:16,779 --> 00:19:17,779 Well, 431 00:19:17,779 --> 00:19:18,779 I don't expect a lot of closing costs. 432 00:19:18,779 --> 00:19:19,779 Yeah. 433 00:19:19,779 --> 00:19:20,779 Thank you. 434 00:19:20,779 --> 00:19:23,480 Yeah. 435 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:24,480 Anything on recycling? 436 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,359 One more holler. 437 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:29,359 One more holler? 438 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:30,359 Yeah. 439 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:31,359 I have a question. 440 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:32,390 I don't know if you know this. 441 00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:33,390 Do we accept mattresses 442 00:19:33,390 --> 00:19:34,549 at our... 443 00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:36,920 Do you know what the cost is? 444 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:37,920 The reason why I'm asking is 445 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:38,920 there's a facility 446 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,400 that just opened in Adams. 447 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:41,400 They're recycling them now. 448 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:42,400 Now, 449 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:43,400 they go to towns 450 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:44,400 and, 451 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,400 you know, 452 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:46,400 negotiate. 453 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,400 I think it's 454 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,849 between 30 and 40, 455 00:19:48,849 --> 00:19:49,849 I don't know. 456 00:19:49,849 --> 00:19:50,849 I don't know. 457 00:19:50,849 --> 00:19:51,849 I don't know. 458 00:19:51,849 --> 00:19:52,849 I don't know. 459 00:19:52,849 --> 00:19:53,950 I don't know. 460 00:19:53,950 --> 00:19:54,950 I don't know. 461 00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:55,950 I don't know. 462 00:19:55,950 --> 00:19:56,950 I don't know. 463 00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:57,950 Yes. 464 00:19:57,950 --> 00:20:00,289 They have a facility 465 00:20:00,289 --> 00:20:01,289 that's between 30 and 35 dollars 466 00:20:01,289 --> 00:20:02,289 in mattresses. 467 00:20:02,289 --> 00:20:03,289 And they pick them. 468 00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:04,289 They take care of it. 469 00:20:04,289 --> 00:20:06,319 They recycle them 470 00:20:06,319 --> 00:20:07,319 through the state of Massachusetts, 471 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:08,319 but mass is 472 00:20:08,319 --> 00:20:09,410 allowing them 473 00:20:09,410 --> 00:20:10,410 no longer 474 00:20:10,410 --> 00:20:13,029 at the transfer station 475 00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:14,029 to do that. 476 00:20:14,029 --> 00:20:16,059 That's why they're 477 00:20:16,059 --> 00:20:17,059 all over the place. 478 00:20:17,059 --> 00:20:18,059 $40. 479 00:20:18,059 --> 00:20:19,059 $40. 480 00:20:19,059 --> 00:20:20,059 So, 481 00:20:20,059 --> 00:20:21,059 we could actually 482 00:20:21,059 --> 00:20:22,059 probably 483 00:20:22,059 --> 00:20:23,059 deal with this guy. 484 00:20:23,059 --> 00:20:24,059 Would they come up 485 00:20:24,059 --> 00:20:25,059 or take them 486 00:20:25,059 --> 00:20:26,059 out? 487 00:20:26,059 --> 00:20:27,059 What do we do typically? 488 00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:28,059 How many would we 489 00:20:28,059 --> 00:20:29,059 typically get? 490 00:20:29,059 --> 00:20:30,059 I don't know. 491 00:20:30,059 --> 00:20:30,900 But, we do every once in a while, 492 00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:40,900 Do we have to store them in a waterproof container and keep them dry? 493 00:20:40,900 --> 00:20:46,900 I don't think so, but I can actually have him come to me and answer all the questions. 494 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:50,990 He's a friend of mine, so I know these people. 495 00:20:50,990 --> 00:20:56,990 There's two gentlemen that are entrepreneurs pretty much, and they started up a business in Adams. 496 00:20:56,990 --> 00:21:02,470 They're getting so big that they're going to need another facility. 497 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:09,470 The steel goes one place, and the linens go somewhere else, and so on. 498 00:21:09,470 --> 00:21:15,569 I guess the foam is the big issue right now, because they used to use foam for something else, 499 00:21:15,569 --> 00:21:19,950 and now they can't get rid of that as fast. 500 00:21:19,950 --> 00:21:26,779 But they're still looking for customers, so I guess Adams, of course. 501 00:21:26,779 --> 00:21:28,940 So, how long? 502 00:21:28,940 --> 00:21:31,940 Yeah, if you can find out some information. 503 00:21:31,940 --> 00:21:34,230 Flip some mattresses. 504 00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:36,230 Come on, flip some mattresses. 505 00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:38,230 Mattress is for profit. 506 00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:39,230 For the past 40 years. 507 00:21:39,230 --> 00:21:40,230 That's pretty funny, Kurt. 508 00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:42,230 Good one. 509 00:21:50,259 --> 00:21:51,259 That's it, Lauren? 510 00:21:51,259 --> 00:21:52,740 That's it? 511 00:21:52,740 --> 00:21:53,740 Okay. 512 00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:56,950 Emergency management? 513 00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:57,950 Nope. 514 00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:58,950 No. 515 00:21:58,950 --> 00:22:00,950 So, I automatically look at Bill, then. 516 00:22:00,950 --> 00:22:01,950 Okay. 517 00:22:01,950 --> 00:22:04,180 I don't really have... 518 00:22:04,180 --> 00:22:11,400 I know that Bob is working with Paul Ethier, and they are trying to structure some future 519 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,980 cooperation and building some plans. 520 00:22:15,980 --> 00:22:17,980 That's as much as I know about that. 521 00:22:17,980 --> 00:22:27,329 Usually, I put my two sons in about UB Fiber at this point, and we've got two things going 522 00:22:27,329 --> 00:22:28,329 on. 523 00:22:28,329 --> 00:22:30,450 They are actively... 524 00:22:30,450 --> 00:22:33,450 They are interested in coming and having a... 525 00:22:33,450 --> 00:22:38,450 Like, there's an ice cream social going on in Whitingham, celebrating the access to 526 00:22:38,450 --> 00:22:39,450 UB Fiber in Whitingham at the end of April. 527 00:22:39,450 --> 00:22:40,450 They'd be interested in putting something like that on in Stanford. 528 00:22:40,450 --> 00:22:41,450 So, we encourage more people, and they are knowledgeable people. 529 00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:42,450 They're technicians that come down to explain questions and problems. 530 00:22:42,450 --> 00:22:43,450 So, you know, if you're interested in working that out with them, they come down with their 531 00:22:43,450 --> 00:22:44,450 canopy and flags and... 532 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:45,480 Yeah. 533 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,480 Yeah. 534 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,480 Yeah. 535 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:48,480 Yeah. 536 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,480 Yeah. 537 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,480 Yeah. 538 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:51,480 Yeah. 539 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,480 Yeah. 540 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:53,480 Yeah. 541 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,480 Yeah. 542 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,480 Yeah. 543 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,180 Yeah. 544 00:22:57,180 --> 00:22:58,180 Yeah. 545 00:22:58,180 --> 00:22:59,859 Yeah. 546 00:22:59,859 --> 00:23:00,859 Yeah. 547 00:23:00,859 --> 00:23:01,859 Yeah. 548 00:23:01,859 --> 00:23:02,859 Yeah. 549 00:23:02,859 --> 00:23:03,859 Yeah. 550 00:23:03,859 --> 00:23:04,859 Yeah. 551 00:23:04,859 --> 00:23:05,859 Yeah. 552 00:23:05,859 --> 00:23:07,690 Yeah. 553 00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:08,690 Yeah. 554 00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:10,710 Yeah. 555 00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:11,710 Yeah. 556 00:23:11,710 --> 00:23:12,710 Yeah. 557 00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:13,710 Yeah. 558 00:23:13,710 --> 00:23:14,710 Yeah. 559 00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:15,710 Yeah. 560 00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:16,710 Yeah. 561 00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:17,710 Yeah. 562 00:23:17,710 --> 00:23:18,710 Yeah. 563 00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:19,869 Yeah. 564 00:23:19,869 --> 00:23:20,869 Yeah. 565 00:23:20,869 --> 00:23:21,869 Yeah. 566 00:23:21,869 --> 00:23:22,869 Yeah. 567 00:23:22,869 --> 00:23:23,869 Yeah. 568 00:23:23,869 --> 00:23:24,869 Yeah. 569 00:23:24,869 --> 00:23:25,869 Yeah. 570 00:23:25,869 --> 00:23:26,869 Yeah. 571 00:23:26,869 --> 00:23:27,869 Yeah. 572 00:23:27,869 --> 00:23:28,869 Yeah. 573 00:23:28,869 --> 00:23:29,869 Yeah. 574 00:23:29,869 --> 00:23:30,869 Yeah. 575 00:23:30,869 --> 00:23:31,869 Yeah. 576 00:23:31,869 --> 00:23:32,940 Yeah. 577 00:23:32,940 --> 00:23:33,940 Yeah. 578 00:23:33,940 --> 00:23:35,259 Yeah. 579 00:23:35,259 --> 00:23:36,259 Yeah. 580 00:23:36,259 --> 00:23:44,740 people to get in touch i sat on a report meeting last night said there are two people two homes 581 00:23:44,740 --> 00:23:52,589 at least in stanford that are waiting on common for some kind of conduit problem i don't know 582 00:23:52,589 --> 00:23:57,869 whether they suddenly discovered they had to do it and you know the weather hasn't i don't know 583 00:23:58,849 --> 00:24:07,730 but because of privacy concerns they don't want to tell me who it is and you know the whole thing 584 00:24:07,730 --> 00:24:12,690 was kind of complicated originally they said you know that they would have support people to try 585 00:24:12,690 --> 00:24:20,700 and see about qualifying people who's you know have limited means and need financial help to do it 586 00:24:26,289 --> 00:24:32,140 so we're trying to go back north to identify at least the street locations and hopefully 587 00:24:32,140 --> 00:24:37,980 the end of next week we'll get that meanwhile whatever we can publicize through the minutes 588 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:39,119 or 589 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:45,200 he wants to take a shot at facebook or stanford you know reformed about stanford 590 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:51,839 uh and mention that somebody if anyone is having problems with getting a conduit in 591 00:24:53,170 --> 00:25:03,039 reach out to bob griggs or me that's it uh griggs did come into the town office and said 592 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:08,640 we need for a good hour or so to go over the local emergency management plan and 593 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,200 talk about what you'd like to improve it and things you'd like to see happen so 594 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:29,089 that's all sort of what my discussion signed zoning bylaws um does anybody remember 595 00:25:29,089 --> 00:25:38,180 well the sign is still there but i'm sure they have this schedule and what about the zoning 596 00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:42,900 bylaws are we going to ask them to we just voted whether we're going to leave it up or not we didn't 597 00:25:43,619 --> 00:25:48,019 well i remember we didn't really we didn't do anything we didn't decide this 598 00:25:53,099 --> 00:25:54,220 29th i think you said 599 00:25:55,099 --> 00:25:56,640 Sheila said something there. 600 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,539 The last one here is April 29th. 601 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,880 I mean, they set their own agenda. 602 00:26:02,099 --> 00:26:04,480 I don't know if they have to take anything off the table. 603 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,319 Right. 604 00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:08,970 We'll have to petition them at some level, I would say. 605 00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:13,210 I think we'd have to say whatever. 606 00:26:14,130 --> 00:26:15,970 We'd like you to look into this, this, or that, 607 00:26:16,069 --> 00:26:17,789 or whatever it is that we're going to say. 608 00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:18,269 Right. 609 00:26:20,589 --> 00:26:22,569 They can choose to amend bylaws or not. 610 00:26:23,069 --> 00:26:23,849 They've got to vote. 611 00:26:23,910 --> 00:26:26,069 They've got to vote their whole board who's going to be chair. 612 00:26:26,069 --> 00:26:29,390 Didn't we vote last? 613 00:26:30,069 --> 00:26:30,609 To take it down. 614 00:26:30,609 --> 00:26:31,109 To take it down. 615 00:26:31,230 --> 00:26:31,609 Oh, yeah. 616 00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:33,690 So it was voted to take it down. 617 00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:37,549 We never proceeded any farther as what we're going to do from that. 618 00:26:38,170 --> 00:26:41,269 The discussion is whether we are going to petition, 619 00:26:41,470 --> 00:26:43,069 whether we're going to petition to change bylaws. 620 00:26:43,809 --> 00:26:44,549 To sign us now. 621 00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:46,849 Whether we're going to sign bylaws or change them or whatever. 622 00:26:47,089 --> 00:26:48,869 But I mean, that's basically a discussion. 623 00:26:49,289 --> 00:26:50,150 They can do it or not. 624 00:26:50,309 --> 00:26:53,049 At the end of the day, there will be no sign out there eventually. 625 00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:54,430 That's the whole point. 626 00:26:54,430 --> 00:26:54,670 Right. 627 00:26:54,849 --> 00:26:55,630 So what we'll do. 628 00:26:57,349 --> 00:26:59,029 That's the whole point. 629 00:26:59,170 --> 00:27:04,460 Would they allow a different type of sign or change bylaws? 630 00:27:04,660 --> 00:27:04,799 Right. 631 00:27:05,539 --> 00:27:07,880 I mean, I don't know how you want to petition them. 632 00:27:08,019 --> 00:27:15,109 I'm of the futuristic thinking that municipalities, schools, churches, 633 00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:19,690 fire stations, things of that nature should be exempt from certain bylaws. 634 00:27:20,769 --> 00:27:24,970 Signs probably being one of those things just doesn't make any sense. 635 00:27:25,470 --> 00:27:25,589 Right. 636 00:27:25,589 --> 00:27:29,089 You have to permit yourself to do certain things and then pay yourself to do it. 637 00:27:29,109 --> 00:27:40,140 That law that you cited last week, 4413, the way I interpret it is that when the planning 638 00:27:40,140 --> 00:27:46,700 commission does their zoning bylaws, they can exempt or make certain exemptions. 639 00:27:47,589 --> 00:27:50,009 But that's how I interpret it. 640 00:27:50,049 --> 00:27:50,190 Yeah. 641 00:27:50,349 --> 00:27:51,950 Well, that's the problem with all laws. 642 00:27:52,029 --> 00:27:52,349 I know. 643 00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:53,470 You interpret it one way. 644 00:27:53,470 --> 00:27:55,130 That's why the board has made so much money. 645 00:27:55,609 --> 00:27:55,950 So. 646 00:27:56,809 --> 00:27:58,829 It's going to be basically a whole new board. 647 00:27:58,829 --> 00:27:59,529 I don't know. 648 00:27:59,950 --> 00:28:00,849 There's a lot of new members. 649 00:28:01,190 --> 00:28:03,789 I don't know, you know, what they're going to want to do, what they're going to do. 650 00:28:04,269 --> 00:28:07,210 From where we left off, we haven't met since December, I don't think. 651 00:28:07,369 --> 00:28:11,660 So, you know, the chair was Aaron and he's, he's gone. 652 00:28:11,779 --> 00:28:12,720 He was setting the agenda. 653 00:28:14,140 --> 00:28:20,680 Well, if this board has any ideas to present to them, get them ready and we can do that. 654 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:21,960 Yeah. 655 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:26,380 I mean, my boss last week, you know, the sign isn't hurting anything. 656 00:28:26,380 --> 00:28:28,799 It really doesn't hurt anything. 657 00:28:32,009 --> 00:28:33,630 Do you want to petition the planning board? 658 00:28:33,730 --> 00:28:34,369 We can do that. 659 00:28:34,509 --> 00:28:34,690 I guess. 660 00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:42,140 So you don't want to petition the planning board? 661 00:28:42,140 --> 00:28:43,140 I'm not saying that. 662 00:28:43,140 --> 00:28:47,079 I'm just saying, if you guys want to do it, come in and have at it. 663 00:28:47,579 --> 00:28:49,279 At this point, I don't know what I can do. 664 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:50,059 Yeah, I hear you. 665 00:28:50,059 --> 00:28:50,279 Okay. 666 00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:54,259 The bottom line is it was voted to take it down, so it's. 667 00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:58,420 Yeah, I mean, it's got to come down at some point, I suppose. 668 00:28:58,420 --> 00:28:58,779 But. 669 00:28:58,779 --> 00:28:58,940 Yeah. 670 00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:04,140 It's not hurting anything to stay in, I mean, where it is, except maybe feelings. 671 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,579 Might hurt some feelings, the sign being there, but it's not really hurting anything. 672 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:09,740 I. 673 00:29:09,740 --> 00:29:16,740 I sit there and probably still looking at a lot of motions that have been passed in the whole situation. 674 00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:19,240 Follow through so I don't know how we have to keep following through. 675 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:19,740 I hear you. 676 00:29:19,740 --> 00:29:22,119 I mean, people got hurt feelings more than anything over the sign. 677 00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:24,119 It's really not hurting anything except right where it is. 678 00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:28,220 Yeah. 679 00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:37,809 Um, FEMA buyout program, um, John's been doing research. 680 00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:48,269 Yeah, I've spent a lot of time on this, and there's multiple programs out there, and it's all a matter of applying. 681 00:29:48,269 --> 00:29:53,049 For seeing if it's, if you're going to get it or not. 682 00:29:53,049 --> 00:30:01,420 It's like a whole process, everything's a process, um, but in the long run, it comes down to that. 683 00:30:01,420 --> 00:30:08,650 Whether or not, you know, she wants to apply for those programs or not, it's not up to me or you guys. 684 00:30:08,650 --> 00:30:09,150 Right. 685 00:30:09,150 --> 00:30:13,619 So I can look at all these things, it's all blue in the face. 686 00:30:13,619 --> 00:30:15,619 We have, we've looked at them all. 687 00:30:15,619 --> 00:30:22,619 So most of the other programs that I've read into and looked at still require a local sponsor, which would be awesome. 688 00:30:22,619 --> 00:30:26,259 Um, most of all, the other ones have a 25% match. 689 00:30:26,259 --> 00:30:30,650 This is really the only one that the town gets out with no expense whatsoever. 690 00:30:30,650 --> 00:30:33,650 Um, other than the loss of the tax base from the one property. 691 00:30:33,650 --> 00:30:41,640 Uh, there's really, there's other programs where you can elevate the house, but that's not going to work in this situation. 692 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,829 And the other programs, why would the town have to pay to come to that? 693 00:30:44,829 --> 00:30:45,829 It's usually a match. 694 00:30:45,829 --> 00:30:48,829 Why is the town going to have to fire? 695 00:30:48,829 --> 00:30:50,829 Because we'd be the local sponsor. 696 00:30:50,829 --> 00:30:51,829 It's usually a municipality. 697 00:30:51,829 --> 00:30:53,829 So FEMA comes in and... 698 00:30:53,829 --> 00:30:55,829 And pays the homeowner. 699 00:30:55,829 --> 00:30:58,829 This one was through a, there's different FEMA programs. 700 00:30:58,829 --> 00:31:02,829 This one was through the watershed management program. 701 00:31:02,829 --> 00:31:05,829 And, yeah, most of them are a match. 702 00:31:05,829 --> 00:31:10,829 And you have to, the same thing applies as far as the maintenance of the land. 703 00:31:10,829 --> 00:31:14,829 You usually have to, I mean, one of their objectives is to reestablish floodplain. 704 00:31:14,829 --> 00:31:17,829 That's one of their objectives. 705 00:31:17,829 --> 00:31:24,019 So those stipulations are always going to be applied to any FEMA type of land. 706 00:31:24,019 --> 00:31:29,019 And, you know, if you're going to buy out or assistance, it's usually that it's restored back to this natural habitat. 707 00:31:29,019 --> 00:31:31,089 It's just the way things are going now. 708 00:31:31,089 --> 00:31:33,089 Elevations may work in some circumstances. 709 00:31:33,089 --> 00:31:35,089 It's not going to work with that property. 710 00:31:35,089 --> 00:31:37,089 You're dealing with bank erosion there. 711 00:31:37,089 --> 00:31:40,089 So it's a different, the house is already elevated. 712 00:31:40,089 --> 00:31:42,089 It was elevated in wetlands. 713 00:31:42,089 --> 00:31:44,089 So there's bank erosion there. 714 00:31:44,089 --> 00:31:45,089 It's different. 715 00:31:45,089 --> 00:31:53,089 Elevations work more if you have established properties within floodplain that don't necessarily have flowing water through it to erode it. 716 00:31:53,089 --> 00:31:59,089 It's just how, it's properties that may fill up with water seasonally because they are built in low level ground. 717 00:31:59,089 --> 00:32:02,089 You know, those may work with some kind of elevation. 718 00:32:02,089 --> 00:32:04,089 I mean, that's a different program. 719 00:32:04,089 --> 00:32:08,089 That's usually a 25, 75, 25% match as well. 720 00:32:08,089 --> 00:32:13,220 At least from the research I've done, which is, you know, a lot. 721 00:32:13,220 --> 00:32:15,220 I mean, we've been at this for seven months now. 722 00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:19,220 So pretty, pretty in depth in all different directions. 723 00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:22,630 You know, I'm pretty where I've always been. 724 00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:24,630 I'm pretty where I've always been with this project. 725 00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:27,630 It's definitely going to be eroded away at some point. 726 00:32:27,630 --> 00:32:29,630 It could be the next storm. 727 00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:31,630 It could be five years from now. 728 00:32:31,630 --> 00:32:35,630 We're going to have to deal with it at one level or another somewhere. 729 00:32:35,630 --> 00:32:45,119 And I need to apologize to the board and the public for the meeting that wasn't held. 730 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:49,569 It sounded good and then, and then it wasn't. 731 00:32:49,569 --> 00:32:54,569 I think that was just a missed opportunity to be really educated about river morphology and things. 732 00:32:54,569 --> 00:32:56,569 This guy wasn't going to discuss the FEMA program. 733 00:32:56,569 --> 00:32:57,569 He's not with FEMA. 734 00:32:57,569 --> 00:32:58,569 He's a river engineer. 735 00:32:58,569 --> 00:33:02,569 He was going to discuss river morphology and how things change over time. 736 00:33:02,569 --> 00:33:11,569 You know, and maybe discuss some possibilities that could have been done or not done with this property as far as the river channel, the river corridor goes. 737 00:33:11,569 --> 00:33:15,569 But he wasn't, in my opinion, he wasn't really going to comment anything on FEMA. 738 00:33:15,569 --> 00:33:16,569 He's not from FEMA. 739 00:33:16,569 --> 00:33:18,569 He was just a river engineer. 740 00:33:18,569 --> 00:33:22,569 It's just a wasted opportunity to be educated on the river that flows through this town. 741 00:33:22,569 --> 00:33:25,569 But when we have a work session, it's always open to the public. 742 00:33:25,569 --> 00:33:28,569 And I just didn't follow through with that. 743 00:33:28,569 --> 00:33:30,569 I thought we could have it there. 744 00:33:30,569 --> 00:33:33,569 And the more Laurie looked into it. 745 00:33:33,569 --> 00:33:36,569 We've done informational meetings before on the back. 746 00:33:36,569 --> 00:33:40,920 Yeah, but not on private property that I know of. 747 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,920 I just, you know, that's the way I viewed it. 748 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,920 This guy wasn't going to discuss FEMA whatsoever. 749 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,920 Right. 750 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,920 I think he's coming Wednesday. 751 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,119 Your property? 752 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:55,119 He's available Wednesday at 6 o'clock. 753 00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:56,119 Yes. 754 00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:57,119 So John and Doug. 755 00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:58,119 I know he's already looked at it at some point. 756 00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:00,119 He's looked at it. 757 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,119 I can't tell you how many times he's been there. 758 00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:06,119 He's already had some level of opinion or report or whatever he might have found. 759 00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:07,119 Oh, I have a report. 760 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:08,119 Yeah. 761 00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:12,119 He might have a report that's public information that we could obtain. 762 00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:14,860 Deb, did you have another question? 763 00:34:14,860 --> 00:34:15,860 No. 764 00:34:15,860 --> 00:34:19,860 I was just letting you know he's reached out to see if Wednesday at 6 o'clock. 765 00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:23,860 And, you know, he wanted permission to come then if he could. 766 00:34:23,860 --> 00:34:26,949 I have no objection to it. 767 00:34:26,949 --> 00:34:27,949 I just don't. 768 00:34:27,949 --> 00:34:34,949 I just don't want the liability of the town on the property unless the town. 769 00:34:34,949 --> 00:34:41,300 Now, if the town would assume liability for having a public meeting, then fine. 770 00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:45,039 But not my homeowner's insurance. 771 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:49,170 I think we probably don't want to assume that. 772 00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:50,170 So. 773 00:34:50,170 --> 00:34:53,170 I mean, like I said, I just viewed it as good future knowledge. 774 00:34:53,170 --> 00:34:55,170 These events are going to keep it coming. 775 00:34:55,170 --> 00:34:58,170 There's a lot of properties that are within the corridor. 776 00:34:58,170 --> 00:34:59,170 So. 777 00:34:59,170 --> 00:35:00,170 I mean, it's just the nature of where we're at. 778 00:35:00,170 --> 00:35:02,420 This is the town we're in. 779 00:35:02,420 --> 00:35:03,420 And, John, also, I didn't hear from you. 780 00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:05,599 I have names of everybody I've spoken with. 781 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:06,599 You had asked me to kind of. 782 00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:07,599 Yeah. 783 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:08,599 I reached out to Brian. 784 00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:09,599 Brian never got back to me. 785 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:10,599 His liaison or his partner, Stephanie, did. 786 00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:11,599 And pretty much was like we would prefer one person from the town reach out to us versus 787 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:12,599 one person from the town. 788 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:13,599 Yeah. 789 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:14,599 Yeah. 790 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:15,599 Yeah. 791 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:16,599 Yeah. 792 00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:17,599 Yeah. 793 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:18,599 Yeah. 794 00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:19,599 Yeah. 795 00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:20,599 Yeah. 796 00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:21,599 Yeah. 797 00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:22,599 Yeah. 798 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:23,599 Yeah. 799 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:24,599 Yeah. 800 00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:25,789 Yeah. 801 00:35:25,789 --> 00:35:26,789 Yeah. 802 00:35:26,789 --> 00:35:27,789 Yeah. 803 00:35:27,789 --> 00:35:28,789 Yeah. 804 00:35:28,789 --> 00:35:29,789 Yeah. 805 00:35:29,789 --> 00:35:31,239 Yeah. 806 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,239 Yeah. 807 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,300 Yeah. 808 00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:34,300 Yeah. 809 00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:35,300 Yeah. 810 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:36,300 Yeah. 811 00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:37,300 Yeah. 812 00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:38,300 Yeah. 813 00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:44,199 So, I was not really feeling it at all. 814 00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:45,199 I mean, like you've said, there's other people. 815 00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:46,199 And I was mainly just reaching out because I was involved with all the other stuff the 816 00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:47,199 previous board was. 817 00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:48,199 And she pointed out some other programs, she stated about the erosion and the moving 818 00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:54,389 of the house, which we're all aware of. 819 00:35:54,389 --> 00:35:55,429 What was the waste water? 820 00:35:55,429 --> 00:35:56,429 Watershed. 821 00:35:56,429 --> 00:35:57,429 Watershed management program. 822 00:35:57,429 --> 00:35:58,429 She says that's the one she points everybody towards. 823 00:35:58,429 --> 00:35:59,429 And then if you look into that, there is that, you know, the water management program. 824 00:35:59,429 --> 00:36:00,719 And these are all listed. 825 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:01,719 So, they're listed there. 826 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:02,679 So, I was looking for that one. 827 00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:09,860 another number to call for a gentleman I can't I was just looking for I couldn't 828 00:36:09,860 --> 00:36:16,480 find it but he's like the one guy in Vermont in the Angles and it's just a matter of 829 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,119 calling him but I'm sure it's just like reaching out to the FEMA people it's like 830 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:27,739 playing the other thing is Stephanie and Brian deal with one program then you've 831 00:36:27,739 --> 00:36:32,599 got another one that deals with another program and they don't there's not one 832 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:36,099 person that can tell you what every program does they just deal with their 833 00:36:36,099 --> 00:36:51,880 program that's it. I think this is the only program where like I said the town gets off without any type of percentage or match or whatever. 834 00:36:51,880 --> 00:37:06,539 I did read some of the programs and I did read the 25 or there were some that did say match but I didn't see where it said municipality was the one that matched it. 835 00:37:06,539 --> 00:37:07,039 Okay. 836 00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:14,039 There were some that were sponsors not all of them. 837 00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:19,840 I think the one I read was homeowners did the 25. 838 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:30,320 So it's also under my assumption that this river was messed with by someone at one time. 839 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:38,820 I don't know if that's true or not but that's the historic knowledge of the people that live in that area. 840 00:37:38,820 --> 00:37:45,010 This river was messed with and it should be the responsibility of the people that messed with that club. 841 00:37:45,010 --> 00:37:53,010 One of the reasons it's probably almost going to be impossible to get any type of alteration to a stream nowadays is you're basically messing with a stream. 842 00:37:53,010 --> 00:37:59,010 From the way I understand it and this is one of the things I wanted to pick his brain about in particular were stream alterations. 843 00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:05,010 Because in my opinion it's really on the emergency measures that you're going to get a stream alteration accomplished. 844 00:38:05,010 --> 00:38:08,010 It's not going to be fixed by any means. 845 00:38:08,010 --> 00:38:20,010 This property just has a whole bunch of weird sets of circumstances going on and it's just setting it up to be kind of right for the pickings as far as the river is going. 846 00:38:20,010 --> 00:38:21,550 Deb? 847 00:38:21,550 --> 00:38:26,550 Yeah, I forgot. 848 00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:29,550 Deb, you said you had a report from Josh Carmel. 849 00:38:29,550 --> 00:38:32,550 Is that something you want to share with us or? 850 00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:33,550 Absolutely. 851 00:38:33,550 --> 00:38:38,050 It's kind of a brief synopsis of... 852 00:38:38,050 --> 00:38:43,050 the way the river has been migrating. 853 00:38:43,050 --> 00:38:45,050 We had a... 854 00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:48,050 I don't know if anybody has a drone here. 855 00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:50,050 If anybody knows anybody. 856 00:38:50,050 --> 00:38:51,050 But... 857 00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:54,050 The most recent aerial photographs... 858 00:38:54,050 --> 00:38:58,050 I think it was like from 2020 or 2021. 859 00:38:58,050 --> 00:39:00,050 So I can't... 860 00:39:00,050 --> 00:39:02,050 Because such a huge... 861 00:39:02,050 --> 00:39:07,050 It's taken this massive leap literally since July. 862 00:39:07,050 --> 00:39:10,050 We have no current aerial photographs. 863 00:39:10,050 --> 00:39:19,050 If you look at it, even on the parcel viewer or the ANR site, it doesn't look... 864 00:39:19,050 --> 00:39:23,050 I mean, you still see the trees that are along the bank and all that and they're gone. 865 00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:25,050 I mean, everything is gone. 866 00:39:25,050 --> 00:39:36,949 And it's taken such a drastic path towards the house now, whereas before it was more towards the east side of the river, per se. 867 00:39:36,949 --> 00:39:39,949 Now it's definitely migrated. 868 00:39:39,949 --> 00:39:43,949 So what he did was, you know, kind of outline that. 869 00:39:43,949 --> 00:39:48,949 That, yes, maybe in the past it's been a slow progression. 870 00:39:48,949 --> 00:39:53,949 But now that we're seeing more dynamic events, things are moving. 871 00:39:53,949 --> 00:39:55,949 And it's not just our river. 872 00:39:55,949 --> 00:39:57,949 It's rivers all over the state. 873 00:39:57,949 --> 00:39:59,949 And also... 874 00:39:59,949 --> 00:40:02,840 Yeah, I could... 875 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,840 I could put rip rap along that. 876 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:05,840 But it's... 877 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,840 Dave and I were talking about... 878 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,840 Dave and I were talking about this before. 879 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,840 And it would probably back up onto Clough Road if we put... 880 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,840 You know, if we put boulders there, which they won't let you do anyway. 881 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,840 I wanted jersey bearers back in 2007. 882 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,840 And they laughed at me. 883 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,840 So they said, no, you can only do rip rap. 884 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,840 So... 885 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,880 So the river is back through wetland property, which... 886 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:29,880 Yeah, and now... 887 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:30,880 Well, that was the other thing. 888 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,880 Now we have wetland. 889 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,880 Now they have identified the wetland that border... 890 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,880 It spans both of our properties up towards Clough Road. 891 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,880 I wouldn't be surprised if more of that property is chewed into the next time the river crushes the river bank. 892 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:46,880 It's... 893 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,880 I mean, wetland soils are silty. 894 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:49,880 It's all soils. 895 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,880 And then when you put fill on top of that, which this is basically already into the fill, 896 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,880 which, you know, it's natural fill, but it's also unnatural fill. 897 00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:58,880 It's not there natively. 898 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,880 So it's already tearing into that. 899 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,880 So, I mean, this is a dune property. 900 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:04,880 It really is. 901 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,289 It's just... 902 00:41:06,289 --> 00:41:07,289 This is just the bottom line. 903 00:41:07,289 --> 00:41:08,289 It sucks, but it's a dune property. 904 00:41:08,289 --> 00:41:09,289 What's that? 905 00:41:09,289 --> 00:41:10,289 What kind of property is it now? 906 00:41:10,289 --> 00:41:11,289 Dune for the river. 907 00:41:11,289 --> 00:41:12,289 It's going to be washed away by the river. 908 00:41:12,289 --> 00:41:13,289 It's already up to the subject. 909 00:41:13,289 --> 00:41:14,289 Well, okay. 910 00:41:14,289 --> 00:41:15,289 So Doug and John, you're going to get some answers, hopefully, or ask some questions 911 00:41:15,289 --> 00:41:16,289 and get a better understanding of this and... 912 00:41:16,289 --> 00:41:17,289 John, can I get your email address? 913 00:41:17,289 --> 00:41:18,289 I appreciate all the effort. 914 00:41:18,289 --> 00:41:19,449 John did put in a lot of effort, if you'd like. 915 00:41:19,449 --> 00:41:20,449 Yeah. 916 00:41:20,449 --> 00:41:21,449 Yeah. 917 00:41:21,449 --> 00:41:22,449 Yeah. 918 00:41:22,449 --> 00:41:23,449 Yeah. 919 00:41:23,449 --> 00:41:24,449 Yeah. 920 00:41:24,449 --> 00:41:25,449 Yeah. 921 00:41:25,449 --> 00:41:26,449 Yeah. 922 00:41:26,449 --> 00:41:27,449 Yeah. 923 00:41:27,449 --> 00:41:28,449 Yeah. 924 00:41:28,449 --> 00:41:29,449 Yeah. 925 00:41:29,449 --> 00:41:30,449 Yeah. 926 00:41:30,449 --> 00:41:31,449 Yeah. 927 00:41:31,449 --> 00:41:32,449 Yeah. 928 00:41:32,449 --> 00:41:33,449 Yeah. 929 00:41:33,449 --> 00:41:34,449 Yeah. 930 00:41:34,449 --> 00:41:35,449 Yeah. 931 00:41:35,449 --> 00:41:36,449 Oh. 932 00:41:36,449 --> 00:41:37,449 ften. 933 00:41:37,449 --> 00:41:41,469 I spent a long time on this, more than I would've liked to, but I felt like it was 934 00:41:41,469 --> 00:41:43,469 necessary and it was educational, at that. 935 00:41:43,469 --> 00:41:48,429 But the meeting I tried to set up with Josh was supposed to be more like the do's and 936 00:41:48,429 --> 00:41:51,510 don't's of what we can and cannot do. 937 00:41:51,510 --> 00:42:00,429 As far as the homeowner perspective, say they used, Nancy, for instance, what you are allowed 938 00:42:00,429 --> 00:42:04,550 or not to do as a homeowner on a river corridor, you know, to maintain and protect your property. 939 00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:05,550 Oh. 940 00:42:05,550 --> 00:42:10,909 property and you can yes so i had a brief conversation with josh on the phone and it 941 00:42:10,909 --> 00:42:16,750 was pretty much you can either put money into it or do a buyout that was pretty much like 942 00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:25,880 the two options and that's okay and i 100 agree and it is it's put money into it 943 00:42:28,219 --> 00:42:36,000 but again i i would love for you guys to come individually and really take a look at it it's 944 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:42,559 hard to it's hard to describe but if i could nancy would you like me to send you all of the um 945 00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:50,590 aerial photographs marked up photographs josh's response back to me or john do you want it 946 00:42:50,590 --> 00:42:57,210 how would you prefer okay i think i mean it seems to me you have to rip that back so much 947 00:42:57,210 --> 00:43:00,809 that you're going to alter the string you will as soon as you alter that stream you're messing 948 00:43:00,809 --> 00:43:06,010 with the direction and i think she would have to go up further yeah you have to go up and you have 949 00:43:06,010 --> 00:43:06,489 to go up to 950 00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:13,769 boris a little past his property even into the lincolns yeah you got to be very careful 951 00:43:13,769 --> 00:43:18,650 unless we're on the way through any anything is going to alter that property to the straw 952 00:43:18,650 --> 00:43:24,650 to the south it's a very narrow stream channel that's something the engineer you know those 953 00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:31,199 are all questions you gotta ask him and you know so however it came out it was just kind of wasted 954 00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:34,400 opportunity one thing in exactly i mean i agree 955 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:47,559 um 956 00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:49,480 um 957 00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:56,039 you know actually join said let's stop kicking things down the road 958 00:43:56,039 --> 00:44:05,980 last week remember are you saying that you may you made a couple of statements one you just made a 959 00:44:05,980 --> 00:44:09,039 statement of fema says hey look when you're 960 00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:10,880 There's an emergency, then you can go in 961 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,250 and you can really, you know, create a river. 962 00:44:15,250 --> 00:44:17,869 If a river's gonna take out someone's sewer, 963 00:44:17,869 --> 00:44:20,030 isn't that an emergency? 964 00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:22,590 Yeah, I mean, you would think so. 965 00:44:22,590 --> 00:44:25,030 So why wouldn't FEMA come in and say, 966 00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:26,550 yeah, this is an emergency, 967 00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:28,510 we know that it's gonna be a problem 968 00:44:28,510 --> 00:44:32,010 with our river, and fix the river. 969 00:44:32,010 --> 00:44:35,090 Where they have the ability, where I could say, 970 00:44:35,090 --> 00:44:37,630 oh, you know, the Burchards have the ability 971 00:44:37,630 --> 00:44:40,489 to go fix their property. 972 00:44:40,489 --> 00:44:44,119 They can't drive up to Laura's property 973 00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:47,780 and fix that, unless Joe gave them permission. 974 00:44:47,780 --> 00:44:52,219 But FEMA can, FEMA can go and fix the river. 975 00:44:52,219 --> 00:44:54,380 They have the rights to do that, 976 00:44:54,380 --> 00:44:56,500 just like they have the rights to take part 977 00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:57,780 of your land for a road. 978 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,059 If that's an emergency, and I know how 979 00:45:02,059 --> 00:45:03,960 the federal government works, they don't like 980 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,719 to prevent things, they like to wait 981 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,199 until an emergency happens, which doesn't make sense, 982 00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:11,079 but that's what I'm saying. 983 00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:16,269 There's programs in place that will allow that to happen. 984 00:45:16,809 --> 00:45:21,710 If you're saying that it's gonna wipe out the sewer, 985 00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:23,889 call FEMA and say, look, this is what's gonna happen, 986 00:45:23,889 --> 00:45:25,309 this is gonna wipe out the sewer. 987 00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:27,730 I'm not saying you, I'm saying our river. 988 00:45:27,730 --> 00:45:30,590 And I keep stressing that it's not about 989 00:45:30,590 --> 00:45:32,329 one particular land, in my opinion. 990 00:45:32,329 --> 00:45:36,989 Either we're going to, this is, we made a vote last week, 991 00:45:36,989 --> 00:45:40,889 or two weeks ago, and the vote did not pass. 992 00:45:41,269 --> 00:45:44,659 We have to sign papers. 993 00:45:44,659 --> 00:45:48,659 Originally, I voted against FEMA, and I did that 994 00:45:48,659 --> 00:45:52,179 because we should either be in it or out of it. 995 00:45:52,179 --> 00:45:55,039 I don't believe that once we say yes, 996 00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:56,619 and I've said this a million times, 997 00:45:56,619 --> 00:46:01,159 I don't think we are, right now we're in a situation 998 00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:03,559 where we're talking about engineers, 999 00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:07,340 because we're not a knowledgeable enough board. 1000 00:46:07,340 --> 00:46:09,980 There's no engineers on this board to make decisions. 1001 00:46:09,980 --> 00:46:12,699 So once we are in, we're in for the long haul. 1002 00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:16,610 I look at it a thousand times, 1003 00:46:16,610 --> 00:46:19,070 is it in the best interest of the town? 1004 00:46:19,070 --> 00:46:21,010 There's a lot of people talking, you know, 1005 00:46:21,010 --> 00:46:25,250 at the meetings and everything, the town as a whole, 1006 00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:30,309 percentage-wise, in my opinion, you do not want it, okay? 1007 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,599 I'm looking at it and saying, 1008 00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:34,960 is this in the best interest for the town? 1009 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,960 And I have sat over and over and over going back and, 1010 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,440 you're using me on 100% one way, 1011 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,579 and you know, these guys, I'm looking going, 1012 00:46:46,579 --> 00:46:52,309 I just can't see the 100% or even the betterment 1013 00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:55,449 for the town at this point. 1014 00:46:55,449 --> 00:46:59,070 There's other programs, there's emergency situations. 1015 00:46:59,070 --> 00:47:02,530 The home was built about 60 years ago. 1016 00:47:02,530 --> 00:47:05,989 There's been floods 100 years ago, 1017 00:47:05,989 --> 00:47:10,070 there'd be floods now, I don't, I'm not buying into the. 1018 00:47:10,070 --> 00:47:13,690 So all the options were BFOs, more land there, you can move, 1019 00:47:14,170 --> 00:47:16,829 move the house, there's not enough property there. 1020 00:47:16,829 --> 00:47:19,909 Well, I understand that, but I'm also saying is this, 1021 00:47:19,909 --> 00:47:22,309 is it the responsibility of the town? 1022 00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:26,079 So we just talked about FEMA, about another problem. 1023 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:28,980 We talked about us asking FEMA for monies 1024 00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:30,880 for our town roads. 1025 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,960 FEMA gives us money, but we're not passing those roads 1026 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,179 to anybody, we still own them, we still maintain them. 1027 00:47:37,179 --> 00:47:40,920 They're giving the town resident monies, 1028 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,239 and then they're passing it on to us, 1029 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:43,840 and I don't think that's fair. 1030 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,239 If they were just giving it to Deb, or anyone, 1031 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,019 I hate to say people's names, 1032 00:47:48,019 --> 00:47:50,900 because I want to keep this a secret. 1033 00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:53,179 If they were just giving monies to a resident, 1034 00:47:53,179 --> 00:47:55,900 and not handing it to the town, I'd be, 1035 00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:57,880 wait, go ahead, it's not my problem. 1036 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,880 Like he said, it's not the board's responsibility. 1037 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,880 But they can become the town problem. 1038 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,039 But I don't know about that yet, 1039 00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:08,059 and that's the other thing is. 1040 00:48:08,059 --> 00:48:09,719 So let me finish with the FEMA note. 1041 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,400 We just got done talking about how hard it is, 1042 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,900 and how much time she spent on it, 1043 00:48:14,059 --> 00:48:18,610 and on FEMA, if we have to do this 10 times, 20 times, 1044 00:48:20,130 --> 00:48:22,349 if it's getting worse, like you said, 1045 00:48:22,349 --> 00:48:23,829 how many more will we do? 1046 00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:25,929 We always go back to that number 40. 1047 00:48:25,929 --> 00:48:28,929 Will the river come, will the river take Clough Road out? 1048 00:48:28,929 --> 00:48:31,369 Not everyone's going to be able to afford it. 1049 00:48:31,369 --> 00:48:35,230 But even if we talk about Clough Road getting washed out, 1050 00:48:35,230 --> 00:48:36,909 if we take this property down, 1051 00:48:36,909 --> 00:48:38,369 and we don't do anything with the river, 1052 00:48:38,369 --> 00:48:40,750 it will eventually keep going to Clough Road then. 1053 00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:42,690 That's what we did, that's what you just said, right? 1054 00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:43,530 I did. 1055 00:48:44,449 --> 00:48:46,780 You can fix the roads. 1056 00:48:46,780 --> 00:48:49,289 You don't even need a permit for that. 1057 00:48:49,289 --> 00:48:50,829 You can fix this, too. 1058 00:48:50,829 --> 00:48:52,349 It can be fixed. 1059 00:48:52,349 --> 00:48:53,530 And that's where I'm at. 1060 00:48:53,530 --> 00:48:56,909 I'm looking, going, if, and then, 1061 00:48:56,909 --> 00:48:59,619 so then, if that's where I'm at, 1062 00:48:59,619 --> 00:49:01,719 then I believe that we should, 1063 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:07,300 we should definitely retract our FEMA sponsorship, 1064 00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:08,500 or whatever you want to call it, 1065 00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:11,159 and say, look it, the town of Stanford 1066 00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:13,690 is not standing behind us anymore. 1067 00:49:13,690 --> 00:49:15,829 We have to, we have to be fair. 1068 00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:19,989 We can't sit there, if we hand-pick everyone, 1069 00:49:19,989 --> 00:49:23,389 there's never going to be 100% where we're going to be. 1070 00:49:23,389 --> 00:49:25,769 And I think that FEMA, the federal government, 1071 00:49:25,769 --> 00:49:28,630 is wrong by putting this board, 1072 00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:30,949 or any municipality, in that position. 1073 00:49:30,949 --> 00:49:33,349 This is probably one of the hardest decisions, 1074 00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:37,469 and hardest thought processes we've had as a board. 1075 00:49:37,469 --> 00:49:38,309 Yes. 1076 00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:42,590 It is the hardest, because we don't have the education, 1077 00:49:42,590 --> 00:49:45,170 and just like Nancy said, FEMA, 1078 00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:48,849 this program, you were on that, the webinar. 1079 00:49:48,849 --> 00:49:50,309 Oh, we don't talk about anything else. 1080 00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:52,989 This is all we're talking about, is the buyout. 1081 00:49:52,989 --> 00:49:54,690 So you have to go, and you have to search, 1082 00:49:54,690 --> 00:49:55,989 and it's a rattle hole, isn't it? 1083 00:49:55,989 --> 00:49:56,829 Yes. 1084 00:49:56,829 --> 00:49:58,610 And you just keep reading, and reading, 1085 00:49:58,610 --> 00:50:01,670 and you've got other things to work to do during the day, 1086 00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:05,130 so you're sitting there saying, well, I'll get back to that. 1087 00:50:05,130 --> 00:50:05,969 I mean, I. 1088 00:50:05,969 --> 00:50:06,809 And then you call people, 1089 00:50:06,809 --> 00:50:09,090 and they put you up to another person. 1090 00:50:09,090 --> 00:50:11,849 I think, I think that we should proceed forward 1091 00:50:11,849 --> 00:50:14,630 on a face-by-face basis, because every case is different. 1092 00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:15,630 There's different scenarios. 1093 00:50:15,630 --> 00:50:17,289 No, that's discrimination. 1094 00:50:17,289 --> 00:50:19,809 There's different scenarios for every. 1095 00:50:19,809 --> 00:50:22,510 See, and that's, that word, discrimination, 1096 00:50:22,510 --> 00:50:24,070 was mentioned last time. 1097 00:50:24,070 --> 00:50:24,769 Yes. 1098 00:50:24,769 --> 00:50:27,769 That's why I'm in a position, so if we're not, 1099 00:50:27,769 --> 00:50:31,110 if we don't go forward with one. 1100 00:50:31,110 --> 00:50:32,690 So there's people out there right now, 1101 00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:35,929 they have properties within the hazards of the river, 1102 00:50:35,929 --> 00:50:37,289 River, Florida, or wherever, 1103 00:50:37,289 --> 00:50:40,019 that do not have homeowner's insurance, right? 1104 00:50:40,019 --> 00:50:41,579 I almost guarantee it. 1105 00:50:41,579 --> 00:50:43,760 What are we going to do with these properties 1106 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:44,739 when they launch away? 1107 00:50:44,739 --> 00:50:47,500 The town is, this is going to end up in the town's lap, 1108 00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:49,239 one way or another. 1109 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,179 So the town is not. 1110 00:50:50,179 --> 00:50:51,360 They've gone to the property 1111 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,179 and stopped paying taxes on the property. 1112 00:50:53,179 --> 00:50:56,460 The town's not liable to take a property by tax. 1113 00:50:56,460 --> 00:50:58,559 They're not, but if it ends up in the river, 1114 00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:00,099 we're going to have to do something with it. 1115 00:51:00,099 --> 00:51:03,539 Yeah, we'll see it going in the river. 1116 00:51:03,539 --> 00:51:04,539 That's a good question. 1117 00:51:04,539 --> 00:51:06,280 Will the state come in? 1118 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,039 I have no idea, but it's not just going to go away. 1119 00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:13,460 And won't those, will the state be responsible for it? 1120 00:51:13,460 --> 00:51:14,300 I don't really know. 1121 00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:15,480 If the state, or what? 1122 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:16,320 I don't know. 1123 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,019 The town, we're going to have abandoned properties 1124 00:51:19,019 --> 00:51:19,519 in our town. 1125 00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:21,320 There's one on the river flood plain right now 1126 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:22,199 that just burnt out. 1127 00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:23,619 I doubt anyone's going to buy that. 1128 00:51:23,619 --> 00:51:26,119 It's for sale. 1129 00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:28,360 I do not see that on the MLS. 1130 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,880 I don't think it's for sale anymore. 1131 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:31,380 Anyway. 1132 00:51:31,380 --> 00:51:32,860 Why don't you get a for sale sign? 1133 00:51:32,860 --> 00:51:33,780 It doesn't matter. 1134 00:51:33,780 --> 00:51:35,880 They just didn't come in. 1135 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,380 They didn't come and take the sign. 1136 00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:39,099 Long term, this is going to be something 1137 00:51:39,099 --> 00:51:40,739 that we're going to have to deal with. 1138 00:51:40,739 --> 00:51:42,079 Deb's got a question, and then I 1139 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,219 think we're going to move on because we can't solve it 1140 00:51:44,219 --> 00:51:44,719 tonight. 1141 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:45,320 No. 1142 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,039 I agree with Jed. 1143 00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:49,239 I'm tired. 1144 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,840 I'm tired of this being kicked down the road. 1145 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,880 So if you guys want to make a vote, 1146 00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,139 please do so I can move on with what we're 1147 00:52:00,139 --> 00:52:01,420 going to do with that property. 1148 00:52:01,420 --> 00:52:02,840 So we made a vote last time. 1149 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:03,699 So just. 1150 00:52:03,699 --> 00:52:05,539 It was voted down. 1151 00:52:05,539 --> 00:52:07,420 I said, do you want to reconsider 1152 00:52:07,420 --> 00:52:09,519 so you can get educated, right? 1153 00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:12,340 Making sure that the two new members 1154 00:52:12,340 --> 00:52:14,420 knew what they were all for. 1155 00:52:14,420 --> 00:52:15,760 Have you reconsidered anything? 1156 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:20,730 One thing that comes to my mind that has nothing to do 1157 00:52:20,730 --> 00:52:24,030 with the river or anything else, like you said, 1158 00:52:24,030 --> 00:52:30,449 we just had a vote at the town meeting, and the town said no. 1159 00:52:30,449 --> 00:52:32,369 And I feel we have to represent the town. 1160 00:52:32,369 --> 00:52:32,869 No. 1161 00:52:32,869 --> 00:52:34,550 The town, no. 1162 00:52:34,550 --> 00:52:36,170 You guys, I'm sorry. 1163 00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:37,829 I take exception to that. 1164 00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:40,829 I had requested a special town meeting 1165 00:52:40,829 --> 00:52:45,659 so that both sides could see the pros and cons of what people 1166 00:52:45,659 --> 00:52:46,380 were voting for. 1167 00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:48,059 People were walking up there voting, 1168 00:52:48,059 --> 00:52:51,219 not even knowing what they were voting for. 1169 00:52:51,219 --> 00:52:54,420 Gee, it's a yes, a no, or a no, a yes. 1170 00:52:54,420 --> 00:52:57,460 So Doug, I disagree with that. 1171 00:52:57,460 --> 00:52:58,420 I was listening. 1172 00:52:58,420 --> 00:53:00,099 I heard people think. 1173 00:53:00,099 --> 00:53:02,400 People had no idea what they were voting on. 1174 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,179 People, it was not represented both sides. 1175 00:53:06,179 --> 00:53:08,619 It was advisory. 1176 00:53:08,619 --> 00:53:10,760 It was advisory only. 1177 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,980 How could the town as a whole possibly 1178 00:53:13,980 --> 00:53:15,719 have an educated stance? 1179 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:16,219 Didn't I? 1180 00:53:16,219 --> 00:53:19,860 We got out of the electorate, and they sent us here. 1181 00:53:19,860 --> 00:53:22,739 And as far as the information, I felt 1182 00:53:22,739 --> 00:53:25,280 they had a good amount of information last week, 1183 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,510 and John gave me some more. 1184 00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:33,780 But I feel I was voted on to express the town's will. 1185 00:53:33,780 --> 00:53:35,619 OK, and Deb, I understand what you're saying, 1186 00:53:35,619 --> 00:53:37,420 but I've heard a lot of people out there 1187 00:53:37,420 --> 00:53:40,519 say they were opposed to it. 1188 00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:41,679 That's OK. 1189 00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:43,159 So I guess we disagree on that. 1190 00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:45,460 I do it respectfully, but we disagree on that. 1191 00:53:45,460 --> 00:53:46,679 That's perfectly fine. 1192 00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:49,079 I don't think those names are going to fall out. 1193 00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:51,420 Respectfully, I think you really ought 1194 00:53:51,420 --> 00:53:54,699 to consider having an information meeting, 1195 00:53:54,699 --> 00:53:59,219 because you allowed, right or wrong, 1196 00:53:59,219 --> 00:54:03,769 a poorly worded, biased Warren article that 1197 00:54:03,769 --> 00:54:07,389 was severely slanted and poorly worded enough 1198 00:54:07,389 --> 00:54:10,929 against all the regulations of how a Warren article should 1199 00:54:10,929 --> 00:54:13,670 be presented so that there was no ambiguity, 1200 00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:15,769 so that people clearly understood what they were 1201 00:54:15,769 --> 00:54:16,710 voting for or not. 1202 00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:20,670 And that Warren article did not meet those standards 1203 00:54:20,670 --> 00:54:22,469 by any means. 1204 00:54:22,469 --> 00:54:25,969 You also allowed, not blaming Paul, 1205 00:54:25,969 --> 00:54:27,909 but allowed somebody to take points. 1206 00:54:27,909 --> 00:54:30,070 Well, we heard that before when we picked on it 1207 00:54:30,070 --> 00:54:32,349 and we got up and was shocked. 1208 00:54:32,349 --> 00:54:33,969 And it's a pleasure to finish. 1209 00:54:33,969 --> 00:54:35,190 What's the big deal? 1210 00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:36,429 We heard that last week. 1211 00:54:36,429 --> 00:54:38,969 OK, let's not argue back and forth here. 1212 00:54:38,969 --> 00:54:40,170 Let's move on with this. 1213 00:54:40,170 --> 00:54:41,469 You were supposed to vote tonight. 1214 00:54:41,469 --> 00:54:46,170 John and Doug are possibly going to meet 1215 00:54:46,170 --> 00:54:47,010 with the next Wednesday. 1216 00:54:47,010 --> 00:54:47,570 You're going to dispute. 1217 00:54:47,570 --> 00:54:53,550 Do you want to vote tonight, or? 1218 00:54:53,550 --> 00:54:56,809 I asked a question and reconsidered. 1219 00:54:56,809 --> 00:54:58,369 You already had a vote. 1220 00:54:58,369 --> 00:55:00,269 Right, we already had it. 1221 00:55:00,269 --> 00:55:05,139 If they didn't reconsider and they stand by their vote, 1222 00:55:05,139 --> 00:55:07,099 I would like to hear it from you, Seth. 1223 00:55:07,099 --> 00:55:08,539 I stand by my vote. 1224 00:55:08,539 --> 00:55:09,920 I stand by my vote. 1225 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,820 So then the vote did pass. 1226 00:55:13,820 --> 00:55:15,400 The motion didn't pass. 1227 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,480 So we're not signing papers for one project. 1228 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:23,219 I personally feel that we should retract from the FEMA 1229 00:55:23,219 --> 00:55:26,699 program 100% on it. 1230 00:55:26,699 --> 00:55:30,360 And I will make a motion that we do that tonight. 1231 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,550 So there will be no more discrimination for anyone. 1232 00:55:35,550 --> 00:55:37,190 And Stanford, the town of Stanford, 1233 00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:40,219 doesn't stand by that. 1234 00:55:40,219 --> 00:55:40,900 It's a motion. 1235 00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:41,400 Second. 1236 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:41,900 You want a second? 1237 00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:43,780 Second. 1238 00:55:43,780 --> 00:55:45,519 OK, you want to vote? 1239 00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:47,139 No. 1240 00:55:47,139 --> 00:55:50,030 Oh, third up. 1241 00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:50,530 Aye. 1242 00:55:50,530 --> 00:55:51,030 Aye. 1243 00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:51,530 Aye. 1244 00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:52,030 Aye. 1245 00:55:52,030 --> 00:55:52,780 Aye. 1246 00:55:52,780 --> 00:55:53,280 Aye. 1247 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:53,579 Aye. 1248 00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:54,099 Aye. 1249 00:55:54,099 --> 00:55:54,599 Aye. 1250 00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:55,099 Aye. 1251 00:55:55,099 --> 00:55:55,599 Aye. 1252 00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:56,099 Aye. 1253 00:55:56,099 --> 00:55:56,760 Aye. 1254 00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:57,260 Aye. 1255 00:55:57,260 --> 00:55:57,760 Aye. 1256 00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:58,260 Aye. 1257 00:55:58,260 --> 00:55:58,760 Aye. 1258 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,179 Aye. 1259 00:56:01,179 --> 00:56:01,679 Aye. 1260 00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:02,179 Aye. 1261 00:56:02,179 --> 00:56:02,679 Aye. 1262 00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:03,179 Aye. 1263 00:56:03,179 --> 00:56:03,679 Aye. 1264 00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:04,179 Aye. 1265 00:56:04,179 --> 00:56:04,679 Aye. 1266 00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:05,179 Aye. 1267 00:56:05,179 --> 00:56:05,679 Aye. 1268 00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:06,179 Aye. 1269 00:56:06,179 --> 00:56:06,679 Aye. 1270 00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:07,179 Aye. 1271 00:56:07,179 --> 00:56:07,679 Aye. 1272 00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:08,179 Aye. 1273 00:56:08,179 --> 00:56:08,679 Aye. 1274 00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:09,179 Aye. 1275 00:56:09,179 --> 00:56:09,679 Aye. 1276 00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:10,179 Aye. 1277 00:56:10,179 --> 00:56:10,679 Aye. 1278 00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:11,179 Aye. 1279 00:56:11,179 --> 00:56:11,679 Aye. 1280 00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:12,179 Aye. 1281 00:56:12,179 --> 00:56:12,679 Aye. 1282 00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:13,179 Aye. 1283 00:56:13,179 --> 00:56:13,679 Aye. 1284 00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:14,179 Aye. 1285 00:56:14,179 --> 00:56:14,679 Aye. 1286 00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:15,179 Aye. 1287 00:56:15,179 --> 00:56:15,679 Aye. 1288 00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:16,179 Aye. 1289 00:56:16,179 --> 00:56:16,679 Aye. 1290 00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:17,179 Aye. 1291 00:56:17,179 --> 00:56:17,679 Aye. 1292 00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:18,179 Aye. 1293 00:56:18,179 --> 00:56:18,679 Aye. 1294 00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:19,179 Aye. 1295 00:56:19,179 --> 00:56:19,679 Aye. 1296 00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:20,179 Aye. 1297 00:56:20,179 --> 00:56:20,679 Aye. 1298 00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:21,179 Aye. 1299 00:56:21,179 --> 00:56:21,679 Aye. 1300 00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:22,179 Aye. 1301 00:56:22,179 --> 00:56:22,679 Aye. 1302 00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:23,179 Aye. 1303 00:56:23,179 --> 00:56:32,050 can you make pretty sure we're out yep good so you know john said no no he said yes 1304 00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:36,449 what were we drawing what drawing yes 1305 00:56:36,449 --> 00:56:49,099 progress okay so no no yes no yes a stain yes i'm i'm sick over it 1306 00:57:05,019 --> 00:57:08,780 one quick one how did the city of north adams put in their flood 1307 00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:14,460 control project 1952. yeah that's that's the difference that's the only difference 1308 00:57:33,659 --> 00:57:40,619 mowing bids uh lori and i haven't been able to get together on that things have been hectic on the 1309 00:57:40,699 --> 00:57:46,780 roadsides here and now we've got snow so they won't be mowing right away and we try to work some 1310 00:57:46,780 --> 00:57:55,980 dates um joint meeting with the school directors i emailed erica and she said uh if we could wait 1311 00:57:55,980 --> 00:58:01,659 to the end of april beginning of may they have a lot of district meetings they're working on hiring 1312 00:58:01,659 --> 00:58:07,739 a new superintendent and so much more let me know what you have for available dates the last week in 1313 00:58:07,739 --> 00:58:10,619 april beginning of may and i can make sure we don't have anything 1314 00:58:10,699 --> 00:58:18,929 and can get it scheduled so let's pick a day they meet on tuesday 1315 00:58:20,610 --> 00:58:21,650 anything more tonight 1316 00:58:24,530 --> 00:58:25,650 she sent you that recently 1317 00:58:29,650 --> 00:58:34,449 she sent it the 31st she just said make sure it was a couple weeks over there 1318 00:58:35,730 --> 00:58:44,429 it's pretty long yeah so end of april beginning of may so next i'm going to do regular meetings 1319 00:58:45,630 --> 00:58:48,909 on the off meeting and now on a regular meeting um 1320 00:58:50,860 --> 00:59:00,139 an off meeting a separate meeting yes so april 25th is a thursday um may 9th is an off thursday 1321 00:59:00,139 --> 00:59:05,389 wednesday or thursday is a good view yeah anybody else i'm pretty close 1322 00:59:07,550 --> 00:59:08,670 one of the days 1323 00:59:18,849 --> 00:59:24,320 back and back we're here we're meeting there and we're meeting on the 8th oh that's the meeting 1324 00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:29,840 tonight 1325 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:36,239 the 25th yeah but that's our that's our meetings anyways but we could have it either 1326 00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:37,920 are you going to be off this week 1327 00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:40,559 why don't we do with this 1328 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:43,039 25th 1329 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:52,690 i have something else about the school i think is it six o'clock 6 30. i don't think they can get 1330 00:59:52,690 --> 00:59:53,570 ready 1331 00:59:53,570 --> 00:59:54,130 6 30. 1332 00:59:54,130 --> 00:59:54,769 6 30. 1333 00:59:54,849 --> 00:59:55,650 6 30. 1334 00:59:55,650 --> 00:59:59,699 all right april 25th right that's the third day 1335 00:59:59,699 --> 01:00:01,539 april 25th it's okay 1336 01:00:03,340 --> 01:00:08,780 can i have another date just in case um yep the next one would be the second 1337 01:00:08,780 --> 01:00:10,219 may 9th 1338 01:00:10,219 --> 01:00:10,860 the second 1339 01:00:12,539 --> 01:00:13,980 may 2nd will be your regular 1340 01:00:15,099 --> 01:00:17,230 may 9th 6 30. 1341 01:00:17,230 --> 01:00:22,780 okay i'll get back to it 1342 01:00:22,780 --> 01:00:25,579 so a little more school stuff when i was at the meeting yep 1343 01:00:25,579 --> 01:00:28,300 you ready for that other um 1344 01:00:28,780 --> 01:00:31,739 we had a meeting with i think it was shane and the building facilities manager and rivers 1345 01:00:31,739 --> 01:00:40,699 came in and he i suggested to them to do a pre-osha inspection of the school um before osha 1346 01:00:40,699 --> 01:00:45,900 would potentially actually ever do an inspection and there was a bunch of questions what that 1347 01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:51,739 actually entailed everything would be reportable back to osha that they may find and the school 1348 01:00:51,739 --> 01:00:57,900 would be obligated to fix it so i mean that could be anything from you know missing all that cover 1349 01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:06,940 to a furnace that's totally so isn't it for mike's idea about us picking up some of the debt well it 1350 01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:12,139 could it could yeah um or they could find an unfortunate thing there was just a discussion 1351 01:01:12,139 --> 01:01:19,739 that took place background hold on a minute uh who owns the building so yeah this conversation 1352 01:01:19,739 --> 01:01:25,099 is coming back around who owns the building there was some conversation that we may be an exam for 1353 01:01:25,099 --> 01:01:29,980 osha inspection there was some conversation about why we want to call ocean here if we don't have 1354 01:01:29,980 --> 01:01:34,619 to it comes from the school and a lot of these things weren't answered but it may be something 1355 01:01:34,619 --> 01:01:39,739 that we definitely want to take up that's when we discuss with them if they can just hold off until 1356 01:01:39,739 --> 01:01:47,099 that hold off because if we could take over to build it first of all who owns the building we do 1357 01:01:47,099 --> 01:01:52,059 the town of stanford does you look at all three d's and it says the residents of the town whatever 1358 01:01:52,059 --> 01:01:55,179 of stanford it never mentions the school there is a law on 1359 01:01:55,260 --> 01:02:01,659 place that says once there is a school they are in charge of the operations once the school 1360 01:02:01,659 --> 01:02:07,260 dissolves or forever dissolves they don't own the building they don't own the land they can't sell 1361 01:02:07,260 --> 01:02:14,400 the land to someone else if there was a merger they can't transfer the land that's my opinion but 1362 01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:22,380 we dug into it pretty deep so that being said we just talked about ocean going it's a guy working 1363 01:02:22,380 --> 01:02:26,300 for us coming in and saying hey look you think notify ocean he goes 1364 01:02:26,380 --> 01:02:30,860 well you better fix that before ocean comes in right that's a much better deal than a guy 1365 01:02:30,860 --> 01:02:35,980 coming in going oh look at all this i'm sending it though holy crap i did all those inspections 1366 01:02:35,980 --> 01:02:40,380 exactly we were saying when i was in public housing right we would hire out just before 1367 01:02:40,380 --> 01:02:44,860 the main inspection the one that's going to come yeah and he was paid by us i asked the guys 1368 01:02:47,260 --> 01:02:51,179 who's working for who do you want to report back to osha the guy asked him straight up 1369 01:02:51,179 --> 01:02:56,269 are you working for ocean he's like uh i'm working for ocean then why are you reporting back home 1370 01:02:57,070 --> 01:03:02,349 correct so so there was a lot of conversation that you know took place around that i definitely 1371 01:03:02,349 --> 01:03:08,829 i would like to have them hold off i would really like to transfer maintenance and there's a lot of 1372 01:03:08,829 --> 01:03:15,550 other reasons financially it makes sense i know it's a little bit of time to do it our budget will 1373 01:03:15,550 --> 01:03:21,309 look our side of the budget will look higher but you know the bottom line is it's your cat it's 1374 01:03:21,309 --> 01:03:26,429 cheaper money who cares right yeah your taxes are your taxes but if we're getting down for 1375 01:03:26,510 --> 01:03:32,670 dollar on our side it just makes sense to me as a business person it makes sense you know osha 1376 01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:37,150 i don't even want to talk i don't want to say a word again that's all right 1377 01:03:40,269 --> 01:03:45,469 i've got 40 years without a workplace i've doubled them up even if ocean didn't come 1378 01:03:45,469 --> 01:03:49,150 and inspect i mean i believe they gave you some level of warmth it's not like here's your fire 1379 01:03:49,150 --> 01:03:53,869 right away oh no no there you go what's the point i have in the pre-inspector community 1380 01:03:53,869 --> 01:03:54,590 yeah 1381 01:03:56,510 --> 01:04:02,750 are a health thing so you're going to get out immediately maybe you come into an air quality 1382 01:04:02,750 --> 01:04:08,349 test say hey it's too stuffy in here you gotta put an air ventilation system in here well my 1383 01:04:08,349 --> 01:04:13,070 hesitation is i don't know enough about the maintenance of the schools to know you know 1384 01:04:13,070 --> 01:04:18,349 what they may or may not find out yeah i did these inspections for a long time but i mean it could be 1385 01:04:19,150 --> 01:04:23,710 anything really yeah i mean pinch points another thing to think about if we take over 1386 01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:26,269 if we take over the maintenance 1387 01:04:26,510 --> 01:04:32,750 of the building we may have to hire someone to be in charge of this maintenance man or i i don't know 1388 01:04:34,909 --> 01:04:41,150 this guy is checking out our town barn and he might once work if this is our building he might 1389 01:04:41,150 --> 01:04:46,030 be able to check out the whole thing that could be you know and that would be in our best interest 1390 01:04:46,030 --> 01:04:50,429 because in my opinion wouldn't he have to come and check out the town office anyways he does 1391 01:04:50,989 --> 01:04:56,210 so and then out here who's it who's responsible for that work 1392 01:04:56,610 --> 01:05:02,050 if someone comes in for town business and trips on a door who's responsible for it well one of my 1393 01:05:02,050 --> 01:05:06,449 questions too is like this is a public school isn't there some level of safety inspection 1394 01:05:06,449 --> 01:05:11,010 already there should be in fact some level of safety inspection i know the health office there 1395 01:05:11,010 --> 01:05:16,449 is nothing to do with this i i truly feel that some of the decisions that were made i won't pick 1396 01:05:16,449 --> 01:05:23,329 on this board but some of the decisions that made for safety issues over there were just frivolous 1397 01:05:24,690 --> 01:05:25,250 to put a 1398 01:05:26,670 --> 01:05:33,309 uh a door that is bulletproof glass in one window and there's a school full of 1399 01:05:33,309 --> 01:05:36,909 windows it doesn't make sense to me why spend that kind of money you know 1400 01:05:41,469 --> 01:05:42,269 okay um 1401 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:54,880 um board of civil authority training i have not heard anything yet i emailed her this morning 1402 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:55,760 still didn't read that 1403 01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:01,519 good luck with that right now that's another of them it's another female thing 1404 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:12,539 um but i will keep after her um building permit fees we're going to discuss the 1405 01:06:12,539 --> 01:06:19,420 fees in executive session but we want to talk about revising the form the building permit form 1406 01:06:23,010 --> 01:06:29,860 i lori had some suggestions a couple things 1407 01:06:29,940 --> 01:06:36,739 we added on the form was a location of property and parcel id on the grant list 1408 01:06:37,380 --> 01:06:40,099 gave it to jeb she had some input 1409 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:56,030 and currently this is our this is our commitment and then that likes the final permit 1410 01:06:58,219 --> 01:07:02,460 which is basically got a lot of the same information it does it's just formatted 1411 01:07:02,460 --> 01:07:03,820 a little bit different 1412 01:07:03,820 --> 01:07:04,300 form 1413 01:07:06,670 --> 01:07:09,139 um 1414 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,039 lori jump in here anytime 1415 01:07:16,179 --> 01:07:22,099 both of these are current this is for the regular building permit and this is for if you have a 1416 01:07:22,099 --> 01:07:29,539 farm structure or a small building but you still have to put a notice into the ao 1417 01:07:32,349 --> 01:07:35,949 if we could combine both of those onto one form it might work 1418 01:07:39,489 --> 01:07:45,329 and we want to put something in writing that says 1419 01:07:46,130 --> 01:07:51,730 you checked on a permit and you do not or do not need one well that's 1420 01:07:52,449 --> 01:07:59,250 yeah how are we going to put that on there we should we should and it should be recorded 1421 01:08:07,409 --> 01:08:14,449 what was the question if a permit is not needed but it uh needs to be recorded 1422 01:08:15,199 --> 01:08:18,159 yes saying that you do not need a permit for this 1423 01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:30,760 you know what this form is but what what happens to it somebody calls you and said i'm gonna put 1424 01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:40,180 up an ironing or a deck and it's gonna be yeah offense you don't need a permit i would never 1425 01:08:40,180 --> 01:08:47,479 say that without them filling out an application i would never give somebody that verbal we've got 1426 01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:56,149 in trouble way too many times doing that right everything has to be filled out so yep everything 1427 01:08:56,149 --> 01:09:06,550 so but but yeah so then we come up we say hey do we need a permit for this you say no i wouldn't 1428 01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:12,210 say that you hand them the firm i wouldn't even say no i'd say please fill this out okay and i'll 1429 01:09:12,210 --> 01:09:18,069 let you know lori will record it um i they're gonna have to pay they're gonna have to pay a 1430 01:09:18,069 --> 01:09:18,229 50 1431 01:09:18,250 --> 01:09:35,369 i don't collect the fees so that's up to you guys that's the recording that's the recording 1432 01:09:35,369 --> 01:09:40,569 that way it's not your own record and not so recording fees only if you actually record a 1433 01:09:40,569 --> 01:09:44,350 permit isn't it i don't know i'm trying to do that because this is group territory 1434 01:09:44,350 --> 01:09:48,069 but what if deb doesn't write it down 1435 01:09:48,069 --> 01:09:53,649 like we just had it's not written down because no work no work should take place whatsoever until 1436 01:09:53,649 --> 01:09:59,770 all the paperwork is so she writes it down at home oh well then she moves out of town and takes it 1437 01:09:59,770 --> 01:10:05,130 with her and it's gone it's never here in the town office we don't have a record the only way it's 1438 01:10:05,130 --> 01:10:11,970 going to be recorded is if you pay the 15 and put it in so that shouldn't be just like hey do i need 1439 01:10:11,970 --> 01:10:18,359 a permit to i mean you can say yes or no yes then you got to go through the process of the final but if 1440 01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:23,800 you say no it has to be enough so here's a hypothetical you can say yes or no but you can't 1441 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:29,479 you can't put the sign up based on that answer we just just did a couple of meetings ago i asked 1442 01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:35,600 deb in the meeting if i need a permit for a swimming pool you said no no it wasn't a swimming 1443 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:43,520 pool because you do in certain instances i can't remember what okay yeah whatever it was yeah and 1444 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:48,460 you said no and i waited a couple seconds and you didn't write it down just right and that's why i'm 1445 01:10:48,460 --> 01:10:55,899 so never ever ever going to answer that question right so my question would be is what's the fine 1446 01:10:55,899 --> 01:11:01,979 for me look let's just say i do my my homework and i look and see the common website has this 1447 01:11:01,979 --> 01:11:08,060 is what you need permits for i look and it doesn't say it says i don't need you know it's not out 1448 01:11:08,060 --> 01:11:16,640 there and i go and do it and then someone says hey he built something he put a sign up i didn't see 1449 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,880 on there it was something i wouldn't use a sign 1450 01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:25,439 i put a fence up fence was an analyst put a fence up but i put a fence up too close to my 1451 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:32,079 my property my neighbor's property neighbor complains what do we do then what are the 1452 01:11:32,079 --> 01:11:38,319 consequences to me and what are the fines we have 14 days to appeal or whatever yeah so is it didn't 1453 01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:43,359 say i lose the appeal but i said i'm not going to take the fence down who's responsible now it 1454 01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:48,399 becomes a civil issue that's right so it becomes a civil thing so the town doesn't 1455 01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:55,760 have to pay anything at that point and i go to the court you know what i mean it just looks like 1456 01:11:56,319 --> 01:12:02,800 we have to have something a form a separate form it doesn't cost 15 dollars right to get information 1457 01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:13,039 right we should be able to say do i need 15 you know what i mean do i need a permit because i'm 1458 01:12:13,039 --> 01:12:18,560 i'm new to town i don't know what your bylaws are i don't know i don't understand why that just can't 1459 01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:19,199 be a question 1460 01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:24,319 if you start building something based off that information that's wrong which was the case with 1461 01:12:24,319 --> 01:12:29,199 the sign right he said something verbally never violated augmentation but there are other 1462 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:35,310 structures you can't build like a fence you can't build a fence with no purpose there's certain 1463 01:12:35,310 --> 01:12:40,510 there's certain specs and certain specs right yeah setbacks or not even setbacks 1464 01:12:43,069 --> 01:12:48,909 she's always off to this side i can't see her so this happened not too long ago where somebody had 1465 01:12:50,430 --> 01:12:57,550 a porch with a roof and like a deck i don't know and it got ruined so now they want to replace 1466 01:12:57,550 --> 01:13:02,510 their porch the exact same length the exact same width the exact same porch that used to be 1467 01:13:04,020 --> 01:13:08,899 the old way would have been no you're just rebuilding what you had because it broke or 1468 01:13:08,899 --> 01:13:14,180 whatever the wind took it that would be an answer no you can rebuild it you don't need a permit 1469 01:13:14,180 --> 01:13:20,369 you're not doing something new but there's an answer that a question that needs to be answered 1470 01:13:23,010 --> 01:13:26,609 right because if they change it by that bunch 1471 01:13:28,210 --> 01:13:31,649 but if they really do what they say they're going to do are you going to make them pay 1472 01:13:31,649 --> 01:13:34,210 15 so that she can say no you don't need a permit 1473 01:13:39,310 --> 01:13:46,189 but i also think on the um permit itself there should be a box that says does it need a permit 1474 01:13:46,189 --> 01:13:51,949 or yes or no and you just click off yes or no and then that piece of paper gets filed so and then 1475 01:13:51,949 --> 01:13:53,510 there's a 15 recording session about losing 15 dollars and then when it got off the parking to 1476 01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:57,909 in the file for one but then no one's going to want to ask questions i wouldn't ask for the 15 1477 01:13:59,270 --> 01:14:03,270 it's a way to keep track of stuff that might be out here that doesn't necessarily require a permit 1478 01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:08,890 like the whole 10 by 30 foot shaft or whatever i mean it doesn't necessarily require a permit 1479 01:14:08,890 --> 01:14:15,819 but you may want to know how many of these things are you feel to ask without getting charged yeah 1480 01:14:17,659 --> 01:14:24,359 if we go to the sign we go back to the sign nothing that wasn't involved in us so 1481 01:14:25,930 --> 01:14:33,210 we have ao that said no if that ao came forward during all the meetings we had 1482 01:14:35,029 --> 01:14:42,710 if you didn't know about this you live under a rock okay if he came forward at any of those 1483 01:14:42,710 --> 01:14:48,949 meetings and said yep i said no i would have loved to hear him say that did anyone ask him 1484 01:14:52,069 --> 01:14:55,109 they wanted to sign what we got him down here that's what i was doing 1485 01:14:55,109 --> 01:14:55,670 supposedly 1486 01:14:56,069 --> 01:15:00,149 technically and you're supposed to keep track of all your encounters with anybody when it comes to 1487 01:15:00,149 --> 01:15:05,029 understanding but there is some that do and some that don't but now he doesn't he didn't when the 1488 01:15:05,029 --> 01:15:10,550 sign was brought up he didn't work for us but how did you know he said no obviously he could have 1489 01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:15,350 said yes i don't know i couldn't say i don't know people are going out all hearsay right 1490 01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:21,989 today i don't know i believe it was in the minutes uh no it wasn't you know there was nothing 1491 01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:22,949 no it wasn't 1492 01:15:22,949 --> 01:15:23,750 i don't know 1493 01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:24,310 i would keep 1494 01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:25,430 i'm not going to be exhausted 1495 01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:25,829 yeah 1496 01:15:26,069 --> 01:15:28,470 do you believe that they never saw him 1497 01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:29,829 in the community group 1498 01:15:29,829 --> 01:15:30,710 they never submitted 1499 01:15:30,710 --> 01:15:32,069 on us that's the problem 1500 01:15:33,909 --> 01:15:34,869 they had a notebook 1501 01:15:34,869 --> 01:15:36,149 nothing was shown 1502 01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:37,750 yeah they never there was no proof 1503 01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:38,869 whether he ever said it 1504 01:15:38,869 --> 01:15:39,350 yeah 1505 01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:42,069 i said he said she said 1506 01:15:42,069 --> 01:15:46,789 but the bottom line what i'm what i'm saying my whole point was 1507 01:15:48,729 --> 01:15:49,529 it happens 1508 01:15:50,890 --> 01:15:52,810 it's not about whether or not it was yours or not 1509 01:15:53,449 --> 01:15:54,010 this can happen 1510 01:15:54,010 --> 01:15:55,510 you're saying that you should have been here 1511 01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:56,010 so now we have to hear him say that you're wrong now he's saying that he should have been here 1512 01:15:56,010 --> 01:15:59,010 We've got a new AO going, jeez, I don't want this to be happening again. 1513 01:15:59,949 --> 01:16:02,569 I hear what she's saying, and I agree with her. 1514 01:16:03,130 --> 01:16:07,289 Like I say, you're talking about who said what and why. 1515 01:16:07,310 --> 01:16:08,949 I said it, you said it, who knows? 1516 01:16:08,949 --> 01:16:09,890 I agree with you. 1517 01:16:09,970 --> 01:16:10,649 That's what I'm saying. 1518 01:16:10,750 --> 01:16:13,869 A lot of them went on to show just because he really said it. 1519 01:16:13,970 --> 01:16:14,989 I know he really did. 1520 01:16:15,289 --> 01:16:15,850 You never know. 1521 01:16:15,850 --> 01:16:16,489 We never know. 1522 01:16:16,689 --> 01:16:17,270 We'll never know. 1523 01:16:17,689 --> 01:16:27,439 Okay, so what will we do if Deb says, no, you don't need a permit? 1524 01:16:27,699 --> 01:16:30,560 That's my only point, and I agree with Lisa. 1525 01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,460 I don't think I'm – 1526 01:16:32,460 --> 01:16:34,699 I'll just do an ask up and plug it out to you. 1527 01:16:35,399 --> 01:16:40,579 Hey, I want to build an X by X that doesn't need a permit. 1528 01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:48,279 You're not even building a structure that falls within this $15 one. 1529 01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:53,640 I just want to know, do I need a permit to put a weather vane on my house? 1530 01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:55,380 No, you don't. 1531 01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:56,100 Okay. 1532 01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:57,680 One of the holes is here. 1533 01:16:57,699 --> 01:17:02,159 You actually have an AO that's knowledgeable enough to answer these questions correctly, right? 1534 01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,319 There was a lot of mistakes made in the past. 1535 01:17:06,739 --> 01:17:09,899 You've got to know the zoning bylaws if you're going to be the administrative officer, 1536 01:17:09,899 --> 01:17:10,880 and you should know – 1537 01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:11,340 I don't – 1538 01:17:11,340 --> 01:17:13,159 I mean, there's a lot of things you need to look up, 1539 01:17:13,220 --> 01:17:16,659 but you should know, generally speaking, if I'm putting up a document, so-and-so, 1540 01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:17,340 these are the – 1541 01:17:17,340 --> 01:17:20,640 With all the houses that are still – have been sold in Stanford, 1542 01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:25,359 how many have gotten a copy of the zoning and the planning? 1543 01:17:26,199 --> 01:17:28,159 Nobody's getting anything from the town. 1544 01:17:28,220 --> 01:17:28,800 They don't know. 1545 01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,359 And I can tell you right now that I know two new owners. 1546 01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:32,840 They've got sheds on their property. 1547 01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:33,659 There are no permits. 1548 01:17:34,220 --> 01:17:35,439 Most of it's online now. 1549 01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:36,880 It's not my job to go find them. 1550 01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:38,680 They don't know. 1551 01:17:38,779 --> 01:17:39,939 It's not their fault. 1552 01:17:39,939 --> 01:17:41,600 I'm not disagreeing with you. 1553 01:17:41,699 --> 01:17:42,739 So how are we supposed to – 1554 01:17:42,739 --> 01:17:43,560 I'm not disagreeing. 1555 01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:44,739 But if we make it – 1556 01:17:44,739 --> 01:17:47,279 If we make it where – 1557 01:17:47,279 --> 01:17:52,340 If we make it so it's an incentive to come in and not take a pace on it. 1558 01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,979 I think we're kind of getting away from it. 1559 01:17:56,979 --> 01:17:57,460 It's good. 1560 01:17:57,699 --> 01:17:58,279 It's good. 1561 01:17:58,819 --> 01:18:01,000 Too many people are talking at once. 1562 01:18:01,500 --> 01:18:02,579 Let's go back to this. 1563 01:18:03,220 --> 01:18:04,300 I like the idea. 1564 01:18:05,020 --> 01:18:06,199 They fill out the form. 1565 01:18:06,989 --> 01:18:08,189 No permit needed. 1566 01:18:08,770 --> 01:18:10,550 So the town waits the $15. 1567 01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:11,449 That's what I was going to say. 1568 01:18:11,569 --> 01:18:13,170 I think you're recording me. 1569 01:18:13,369 --> 01:18:13,510 Yeah. 1570 01:18:13,630 --> 01:18:13,810 Yeah. 1571 01:18:13,909 --> 01:18:14,729 But it's still recorded. 1572 01:18:15,229 --> 01:18:16,350 It's still recorded. 1573 01:18:17,029 --> 01:18:17,430 Yes. 1574 01:18:18,090 --> 01:18:19,170 Are we putting it out now? 1575 01:18:19,810 --> 01:18:21,149 Why does it take us a half hour to print it out? 1576 01:18:21,149 --> 01:18:21,470 Lisa. 1577 01:18:22,189 --> 01:18:22,590 No. 1578 01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:24,189 Okay. 1579 01:18:24,770 --> 01:18:25,770 We'll put that on there. 1580 01:18:27,630 --> 01:18:28,430 That was easy. 1581 01:18:28,430 --> 01:18:33,010 So to clarify, just to clarify, they're filling out the form. 1582 01:18:33,170 --> 01:18:33,510 Yes. 1583 01:18:33,569 --> 01:18:37,970 They're giving still the diagrams, setbacks, and all of that. 1584 01:18:38,270 --> 01:18:38,609 Yes. 1585 01:18:38,850 --> 01:18:40,050 No permit needed. 1586 01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:40,430 Okay. 1587 01:18:41,090 --> 01:18:41,250 Yep. 1588 01:18:41,550 --> 01:18:42,210 One little thing. 1589 01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:43,649 If we can combine this into one form. 1590 01:18:43,789 --> 01:18:48,069 One thing I'll mention, I hate to mention, but just some of the confusion that goes along with the bylaws. 1591 01:18:48,369 --> 01:18:49,069 It's small. 1592 01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:51,109 It's a small little thing, but it says a lot. 1593 01:18:51,529 --> 01:18:56,460 When you look in there under permitted uses, it says permitted uses, right? 1594 01:18:56,460 --> 01:18:58,439 It doesn't say things that need a permit. 1595 01:18:58,619 --> 01:19:06,479 It says it's permitted, permitted uses, and everybody goes, oh, build them, build them one family, that's awesome, that's permitted, right? 1596 01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:07,279 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. 1597 01:19:07,279 --> 01:19:10,560 We need to change the wording, we really need to change the wording on that. 1598 01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,279 It doesn't say you need a permit. 1599 01:19:12,279 --> 01:19:13,800 You know the, go ahead, you're all set. 1600 01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,159 Things that need a permit rather than permitted uses. 1601 01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:16,579 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1602 01:19:16,579 --> 01:19:17,520 It sounds like double box. 1603 01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,899 It sounds like everything's permitted when you re-throw it. 1604 01:19:20,020 --> 01:19:20,819 Ah, that's right. 1605 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:21,819 Yep. 1606 01:19:22,380 --> 01:19:27,640 So the box halfway down that's number one, you must include a plot plan. 1607 01:19:27,859 --> 01:19:28,100 And Deb. 1608 01:19:28,619 --> 01:19:30,000 So she likes that. 1609 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:38,140 And the applicant is responsible for verifying plot line locations, state permits may be required. 1610 01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:47,380 And PONL has this graph attached to their building permit that says one inch or ten squares, ten feet. 1611 01:19:48,460 --> 01:19:57,779 If people fill this out and say north, south, east, west, and it's ten feet from there, it's more of a scale than some 1612 01:19:57,779 --> 01:19:59,060 of the drawings. 1613 01:19:59,100 --> 01:20:05,720 That are submitted that you don't know what the drawing means. 1614 01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:18,579 So we take out certificate going down by affixing my signature below, which is the applicant. 1615 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,779 We can take out certificate of occupancy, we don't have that. 1616 01:20:23,979 --> 01:20:24,159 Yeah. 1617 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,060 We grant permission to the zoning administrator. 1618 01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:33,680 I like how zoning administrator, appropriate town official, i.e. 1619 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:38,739 Lister, assessor, road commissioner, can go on the property for inspection purposes. 1620 01:20:38,739 --> 01:20:44,390 So we're getting their permission to go on the property. 1621 01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:50,579 And everything is done on one side to be recorded. 1622 01:20:50,739 --> 01:20:55,220 The back is just permit of the fee schedule. 1623 01:20:58,199 --> 01:21:00,260 Applicant has to. 1624 01:21:01,649 --> 01:21:02,989 Oh, it says in there. 1625 01:21:03,010 --> 01:21:11,859 If you start building without a permit, the landowner will be charged twice the normal 1626 01:21:11,859 --> 01:21:13,739 permit fee that would have been applied. 1627 01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:23,140 Take out number three, because we have, our permits are valid for two years. 1628 01:21:24,189 --> 01:21:26,510 Two years and you can apply for a term. 1629 01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:34,689 We've never talked about a $25 extension fee. 1630 01:21:35,029 --> 01:21:36,569 Yeah, I think that's free. 1631 01:21:37,289 --> 01:21:38,369 Right, Lori? 1632 01:21:38,369 --> 01:21:39,750 We don't charge. 1633 01:21:39,789 --> 01:21:40,789 We don't charge for that. 1634 01:21:40,789 --> 01:21:42,399 No. 1635 01:21:42,399 --> 01:21:47,399 Due to necessary work involved, all fees will be retained whether a permit is granted or 1636 01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:49,069 denied. 1637 01:21:49,069 --> 01:21:50,069 We got referred. 1638 01:21:50,069 --> 01:21:51,069 Oh, we're not getting a requirement. 1639 01:21:51,069 --> 01:21:52,069 Yeah. 1640 01:21:52,069 --> 01:21:53,069 I'm not sure about that. 1641 01:21:53,069 --> 01:21:54,069 Right? 1642 01:21:54,069 --> 01:21:55,069 I mean, we keep, it depends on if they want to move forward. 1643 01:21:55,069 --> 01:21:56,069 Well, if you get a permit, are you going to refer it to the ZBA or are you going to deny 1644 01:21:56,069 --> 01:21:57,069 it and let them appeal your denial to the ZBA? 1645 01:21:57,069 --> 01:21:58,069 Yeah. 1646 01:21:58,069 --> 01:21:59,069 I usually deny it. 1647 01:21:59,069 --> 01:22:00,069 This is how it's been going. 1648 01:22:00,069 --> 01:22:02,380 If I have a permit. 1649 01:22:02,380 --> 01:22:03,380 This is how it's been going. 1650 01:22:03,380 --> 01:22:04,380 This is how it's been going. 1651 01:22:04,380 --> 01:22:05,380 This is how it's been going. 1652 01:22:05,380 --> 01:22:06,380 This is how it's been going. 1653 01:22:06,380 --> 01:22:07,380 This is how it's been going. 1654 01:22:07,380 --> 01:22:08,380 This is how it's been going. 1655 01:22:08,380 --> 01:22:09,380 If I have to, yeah. 1656 01:22:09,380 --> 01:22:10,380 You deny it. 1657 01:22:10,380 --> 01:22:11,380 And then they have to move forward. 1658 01:22:11,380 --> 01:22:12,670 Right. 1659 01:22:12,670 --> 01:22:13,670 But then the referral thing came into play. 1660 01:22:13,670 --> 01:22:14,670 Yeah. 1661 01:22:14,670 --> 01:22:15,670 Nancy and I had a question on that. 1662 01:22:15,670 --> 01:22:16,670 What was it? 1663 01:22:16,670 --> 01:22:17,670 The referral. 1664 01:22:17,670 --> 01:22:18,670 Because if a permit comes in and it's denied, you know, for pretty. 1665 01:22:18,670 --> 01:22:19,670 Yeah, whatever. 1666 01:22:19,670 --> 01:22:20,670 So it's denied. 1667 01:22:20,670 --> 01:22:36,180 Then it would be, it would be a, it would be a, you know, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, 1668 01:22:36,180 --> 01:22:40,819 a, a, a, a, a, a, a. 1669 01:22:40,819 --> 01:22:41,819 So it's denied. 1670 01:22:41,819 --> 01:22:43,819 Then, it would be up to the landowner to appeal to. 1671 01:22:43,819 --> 01:22:44,819 To the ZBA. 1672 01:22:44,819 --> 01:22:45,819 Okay. 1673 01:22:45,819 --> 01:22:46,819 But a referral. 1674 01:22:46,819 --> 01:22:47,819 Okay. 1675 01:22:47,819 --> 01:22:50,199 If a permit comes in and they want to subdivide, again, I can do two. 1676 01:22:50,199 --> 01:22:54,239 But say they want to subdivide their property into three. 1677 01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:56,239 And it's, it's legal. 1678 01:22:56,239 --> 01:23:02,000 They have 15 acres, three, five acre parcels, whatever. 1679 01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,920 I would have to refer that to the planning commission. 1680 01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:05,979 At that point. 1681 01:23:05,979 --> 01:23:06,979 So there wouldn't be no other plans? 1682 01:23:06,979 --> 01:23:14,470 fee for that because that's still in your that's still part of your it's yeah 1683 01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:19,149 any Planning Commission reviews it they don't get any they don't get anything 1684 01:23:19,149 --> 01:23:24,810 right it's just the ZBA fee I think the ZBA is different because the way it's 1685 01:23:24,810 --> 01:23:29,710 set up I have to publish it in the paper I have to send out certified mail so we 1686 01:23:29,710 --> 01:23:34,010 charge a fee to recoup some of those costs or a referral to the Planning 1687 01:23:34,010 --> 01:23:57,579 Commission there's no advertising there's no no we shouldn't so somebody 1688 01:23:57,579 --> 01:24:04,180 fills out $100 permit to do she denies it they appeal to the ZBA and that's 1689 01:24:04,180 --> 01:24:04,420 important 1690 01:24:04,420 --> 01:24:11,569 $115 or another $100 I think that's one time we talked about that that doesn't 1691 01:24:11,569 --> 01:24:17,090 seem fair but people get frustrated I paid $115 for her to deny it now I gotta 1692 01:24:17,090 --> 01:24:23,609 pay $105 to go before the ZBA but she still has to review this right and do 1693 01:24:23,609 --> 01:24:27,510 all the work yeah people get frustrated that they have to pay double that's how 1694 01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:39,939 they feel yeah but you know what can you do going to ZBA has its own set of costs 1695 01:24:39,939 --> 01:24:48,140 that are out of our control very few of your permits get denied for ZBA I have 1696 01:24:48,140 --> 01:25:02,500 never had any I would deny it alright I I refer it I mean it's not necessarily a 1697 01:25:02,500 --> 01:25:08,979 denied permit it would be a referral if if my permit is going to be denied I 1698 01:25:08,979 --> 01:25:11,079 doubt this EBA would approve it it's not necessarily a denied permit it would be a 1699 01:25:11,079 --> 01:25:11,319 referral if if my permit is going to be denied I doubt the ZBA would approve it 1700 01:25:11,319 --> 01:25:24,359 it that would be my opinion oh that's right you did you yours went through 1701 01:25:24,359 --> 01:25:29,399 yep right any building in the forest district was automatically denied and 1702 01:25:29,399 --> 01:25:33,479 had to go to the CBA and they've since changed that that she can't approve so 1703 01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:37,199 yep a lot of things that were just automatically denied in the past are no 1704 01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:46,199 longer a deniable thing she can approve it so it stopped a lot because I had 1705 01:25:46,199 --> 01:25:51,199 because it was in the forest district it was one of the main purposes of rewriting the zoning by-law 1706 01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:56,199 that was the simplification that we always talk about right I mean it's not that the CBA 1707 01:25:56,199 --> 01:26:02,199 isn't meeting appropriately it's just that they're not being referred the amount of stuff that they used to 1708 01:26:02,199 --> 01:26:06,199 most conditional uses were taken away like it used to be 1709 01:26:06,199 --> 01:26:07,199 uh 1710 01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:12,199 five acres to build in the forest but it was a conditional use permit that no longer exists 1711 01:26:12,199 --> 01:26:14,409 right 1712 01:26:14,409 --> 01:26:17,409 don't say that too loud but it's not it doesn't exist anymore 1713 01:26:17,409 --> 01:26:19,409 you can build a house 1714 01:26:19,409 --> 01:26:21,409 you can build a forest district right now 1715 01:26:21,409 --> 01:26:22,409 yep 1716 01:26:22,409 --> 01:26:26,439 it's permitted without a conditional use permit at five acres 1717 01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:37,800 so one of the items on our old permit um the assessor asked do we have the partial id on the permit so that's on there 1718 01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:42,800 the other one he asked location of property is shown on the grand list but what Deb was saying today 1719 01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:51,800 if they don't have a 9-1-1 address is there a incident where you have location of the property without a 9-1-1 address 1720 01:26:51,800 --> 01:27:00,979 anybody building would have a 9-1-1 address is this kind of a duplicate I don't know we couldn't think of anything 1721 01:27:00,979 --> 01:27:06,979 the only I and you just brought it up again the only other thing is if you were subdividing 1722 01:27:06,979 --> 01:27:16,979 then you may not have another 9-1-1 address but it should be issued if you're if you want to subdivide 1723 01:27:16,979 --> 01:27:18,979 after the building it will be issued right 1724 01:27:18,979 --> 01:27:20,979 should be less a b and c 1725 01:27:20,979 --> 01:27:22,979 a b and c 1726 01:27:22,979 --> 01:27:31,189 now does Laura have a 9-1-1 number on the barn up there now 1727 01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:33,350 we talked about that a while back 1728 01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:34,350 he does 1729 01:27:34,350 --> 01:27:35,350 he's always had one 1730 01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:36,350 he has okay 1731 01:27:36,350 --> 01:27:38,350 because I remember when Bill was talking about getting the 9-1-1 1732 01:27:38,350 --> 01:27:39,350 he's had one 1733 01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:40,350 okay 1734 01:27:40,350 --> 01:27:44,350 because my camp didn't have one and then when I was issued one 1735 01:27:44,350 --> 01:27:46,350 no because that was too far 1736 01:27:46,350 --> 01:27:49,350 and then I was issued one and it was the wrong one 1737 01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:51,350 Danny Trudeau 1738 01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:56,350 Danny Trudeau wrong pocket the number on that barn that's how long it was 1739 01:27:56,350 --> 01:27:57,350 okay 1740 01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:59,979 okay 1741 01:27:59,979 --> 01:28:05,979 so maybe we'll leave location of property is shown on the grand list it kind of sounds like a duplicate but 1742 01:28:05,979 --> 01:28:10,140 yeah I don't care I was just questioning it 1743 01:28:10,140 --> 01:28:14,039 I think that the parcel ID should be pretty 1744 01:28:14,039 --> 01:28:15,069 what's that 1745 01:28:15,069 --> 01:28:17,069 parcel ID should explain it pretty 1746 01:28:17,069 --> 01:28:18,069 yeah 1747 01:28:18,069 --> 01:28:32,819 so um instructions around here 1748 01:28:32,819 --> 01:28:41,729 so if it's okay can we redesign the form and combine it into one 1749 01:28:41,729 --> 01:28:48,800 I mean it's two forms into one somehow 1750 01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,789 there'll be a lot on it but 1751 01:28:51,789 --> 01:28:54,680 there'll be two pages right 1752 01:28:54,680 --> 01:29:01,199 but I like the notice form there's a couple sentences at the top of it 1753 01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:06,199 at the top of the notice form that I like if we can squeeze them in there somewhere 1754 01:29:06,199 --> 01:29:09,199 yeah you've got a lot that you've been taking out on that 1755 01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:10,199 yeah 1756 01:29:10,199 --> 01:29:22,479 and this here that's 1757 01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,479 I think that was it we talked about Deb right 1758 01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:26,479 yeah 1759 01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:34,310 and I'll run it by Lori and see what we missed and thought about 1760 01:29:34,310 --> 01:29:45,000 can we move on now to the uniform municipal excess weight permits 1761 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:53,140 camp free pass concrete 1762 01:29:53,140 --> 01:30:03,180 does he want to sign I don't 1763 01:30:03,180 --> 01:30:08,159 second 1764 01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:09,159 I'll pay 1765 01:30:09,159 --> 01:30:10,159 all right 1766 01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:19,319 back to the permit fee not to skip back but we charge like a flat $115 1767 01:30:19,319 --> 01:30:24,600 almost broke theirs down to like per size of the building 1768 01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,600 in the executive session we'll be talking about 1769 01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:36,199 because we're not sure how we're going to base the AO salary if it's on those fees or hourly 1770 01:30:36,199 --> 01:30:37,199 I'm sure if we were 1771 01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:38,199 we wouldn't have exactly the recession we would have 1772 01:30:38,199 --> 01:30:48,680 we wouldn't have exactly the recession before but we really never made a final decision on that 1773 01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:52,060 except presentation consider reappointment which we did 1774 01:30:52,060 --> 01:30:56,060 sign assignment on main oh okay 1775 01:30:56,060 --> 01:30:59,279 sign assignment of main road parcel 1776 01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:11,930 the attorney the attorney prepared the assignment of the tax sale parcel that we bought at tax sale 1777 01:31:11,930 --> 01:31:16,930 and we accepted the assignment last meeting so this is just a little bit of information 1778 01:31:16,930 --> 01:31:18,930 saying yes 1779 01:31:18,930 --> 01:31:29,840 does this need to be witnessed by just 1780 01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,359 it's funny that it doesn't have that 1781 01:31:32,359 --> 01:31:34,359 yeah it's okay if someone wants to sign on this piece 1782 01:31:34,359 --> 01:31:36,359 well I don't know doesn't it 1783 01:31:36,359 --> 01:31:38,359 well I guess you could be the 1784 01:31:38,359 --> 01:31:40,359 oh no I don't know if you 1785 01:31:40,359 --> 01:31:42,359 no no no I don't think it should be the witness 1786 01:31:42,359 --> 01:31:48,359 make sure that it says $2,500 or something not $25 bucks 1787 01:31:48,359 --> 01:31:52,359 no it says $265,000 1788 01:31:52,359 --> 01:31:53,359 oh oh oh 1789 01:31:53,359 --> 01:31:54,359 there you go 1790 01:31:54,359 --> 01:31:57,479 ching ching 1791 01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:59,829 who's the notary here 1792 01:31:59,829 --> 01:32:01,829 oh Theresa 1793 01:32:01,829 --> 01:32:03,829 okay I'm signing it 1794 01:32:03,829 --> 01:32:08,170 we can't make money on it anyways right 1795 01:32:08,170 --> 01:32:10,170 so we have to get it back 1796 01:32:10,170 --> 01:32:12,170 this is the parcel she was a question of 1797 01:32:12,170 --> 01:32:13,170 yes she's 1798 01:32:13,170 --> 01:32:19,479 yeah 1799 01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:21,479 the proud owner of this home later 1800 01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:22,479 no problem 1801 01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:25,479 I asked to go farther down she said she don't own it for a year 1802 01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:26,479 is it the proper year 1803 01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,479 we used to be allowed to go farther down 1804 01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:31,479 we used to be allowed to go farther down 1805 01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:32,479 yeah 1806 01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:33,479 it's more like like a 1807 01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:34,479 right 1808 01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:35,479 a guard and stuff 1809 01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:36,479 yeah 1810 01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:40,579 good luck with it 1811 01:32:40,579 --> 01:32:47,840 laurie knows there's gold or something out there 1812 01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:48,840 I think so 1813 01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:49,840 I know 1814 01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:53,270 old business 1815 01:32:53,270 --> 01:32:54,270 Doug 1816 01:32:54,270 --> 01:32:56,329 attended a select board class 1817 01:32:56,329 --> 01:32:59,329 yeah select board eight by four basic 1818 01:32:59,329 --> 01:33:03,159 training for new select board members 1819 01:33:03,159 --> 01:33:05,159 and I watched it on zoom and 1820 01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:07,159 they also mentioned that 1821 01:33:07,159 --> 01:33:09,159 a new manual for students 1822 01:33:09,159 --> 01:33:14,659 Our manual for select board is now available on the DLCP site. 1823 01:33:14,859 --> 01:33:20,539 Just go to that and then go to resources and get the information right there. 1824 01:33:20,659 --> 01:33:21,579 It's pretty well laid out. 1825 01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:31,920 Maybe it's something we should look into to have, if anybody wants one here, that we should get an updated copy. 1826 01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:36,029 Anything else we're doing right or wrong or should be doing? 1827 01:33:36,649 --> 01:33:38,109 What's good to me so far. 1828 01:33:38,810 --> 01:33:40,970 Is this the one you went to late morning? 1829 01:33:40,970 --> 01:33:42,890 Well, fortunately, they did a Zoom. 1830 01:33:43,329 --> 01:33:45,409 Because it was a day of a big storm. 1831 01:33:45,609 --> 01:33:47,069 Oh, yeah, you were worried about that. 1832 01:33:47,210 --> 01:33:47,630 I was. 1833 01:33:47,989 --> 01:33:49,369 Okay, well, that worked out. 1834 01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:49,869 It did. 1835 01:33:51,399 --> 01:33:51,979 That's it? 1836 01:33:52,359 --> 01:33:52,819 That's it. 1837 01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:53,239 Okay. 1838 01:33:55,050 --> 01:34:01,949 I want to ask about old business, dogs. 1839 01:34:02,130 --> 01:34:04,409 Everybody's registered so far, so good? 1840 01:34:05,810 --> 01:34:06,590 No, Lori. 1841 01:34:06,590 --> 01:34:08,390 We're at places like 96. 1842 01:34:08,949 --> 01:34:09,569 I forgot. 1843 01:34:10,189 --> 01:34:10,670 280. 1844 01:34:11,810 --> 01:34:12,789 How was the day like? 1845 01:34:12,890 --> 01:34:13,289 I'll confess. 1846 01:34:13,289 --> 01:34:15,949 Can I register now? 1847 01:34:15,970 --> 01:34:16,529 I'll sit down. 1848 01:34:16,810 --> 01:34:20,409 Lisa and I talked about it, too, because we'll be signing out. 1849 01:34:20,409 --> 01:34:21,310 March of Vipers. 1850 01:34:21,310 --> 01:34:21,810 Yes. 1851 01:34:21,810 --> 01:34:23,010 It's held up in June. 1852 01:34:23,010 --> 01:34:28,609 Okay, so they just need to be registered by April 1st with a fine. 1853 01:34:28,609 --> 01:34:31,170 Yep, I'd have fines on, too. 1854 01:34:33,010 --> 01:34:34,210 How are we doing it this year? 1855 01:34:34,210 --> 01:34:35,109 I can't remember. 1856 01:34:35,109 --> 01:34:38,010 Do they get turned over to move right away? 1857 01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:46,020 I think I'm going to send out the notices, I think, on June 1st is when you guys can send it out with a look. 1858 01:34:46,020 --> 01:34:46,819 I can't remember. 1859 01:34:46,819 --> 01:34:48,220 June 1st is about an average number. 1860 01:34:48,220 --> 01:34:50,220 We've got that April 1st, doesn't it? 1861 01:34:50,220 --> 01:34:52,220 Oh, Deb's got a section about that. 1862 01:34:52,220 --> 01:34:53,220 It's literally. 1863 01:34:56,220 --> 01:34:58,220 It just dawned on me today. 1864 01:34:58,220 --> 01:34:59,220 Oh, my God. 1865 01:34:59,220 --> 01:35:00,220 April 1st. 1866 01:35:00,220 --> 01:35:07,510 And that was just the auditors will be coming on Monday and Tuesday, April 29th and 30th. 1867 01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:08,510 Oh, wow. 1868 01:35:10,510 --> 01:35:14,890 I don't know if it's their only one or just their initial visit. 1869 01:35:14,890 --> 01:35:15,890 This has to start. 1870 01:35:15,890 --> 01:35:16,890 I'd like to come in and meet them. 1871 01:35:17,489 --> 01:35:20,890 I don't know who, but probably one day. 1872 01:35:20,890 --> 01:35:22,890 You can let me know the time. 1873 01:35:22,890 --> 01:35:23,890 Yep. 1874 01:35:23,890 --> 01:35:24,890 When do they come to work? 1875 01:35:24,890 --> 01:35:29,890 April 29th and April 30th, Monday and Tuesday. 1876 01:35:30,989 --> 01:35:35,449 Any other old visits? 1877 01:35:35,449 --> 01:35:37,729 New visits? 1878 01:35:37,729 --> 01:35:41,020 I received an email from the sheriff. 1879 01:35:41,020 --> 01:35:42,020 Okay. 1880 01:35:42,020 --> 01:35:47,050 I don't know if Tom Stanford needed to revisit the contract. 1881 01:35:47,050 --> 01:35:51,050 I told him that during the town meeting the budget was voted down. 1882 01:35:51,050 --> 01:35:53,579 He said if anything changes, I don't know. 1883 01:35:53,579 --> 01:36:05,090 I can say he was in contact with the state troopers who told him that Stanford residents 1884 01:36:05,090 --> 01:36:10,189 had reached out more often to the state troopers than usual for patrols. 1885 01:36:10,189 --> 01:36:16,189 The troopers, I don't know if they've been here. 1886 01:36:16,189 --> 01:36:20,359 I haven't seen them, but. 1887 01:36:20,359 --> 01:36:21,899 So. 1888 01:36:21,899 --> 01:36:22,899 That's all I want you to know. 1889 01:36:22,899 --> 01:36:27,130 Any other new visits? 1890 01:36:27,130 --> 01:36:32,130 you mentioned you need to go into executive session with us also what's that you need to 1891 01:36:32,130 --> 01:36:39,739 go into executive session with us also on tax sale we could oh i thought you i thought you 1892 01:36:39,739 --> 01:36:48,250 said that no oh okay i'm sorry if you want there's one coming up if you want to do that 1893 01:36:48,250 --> 01:37:02,039 no no no i thought i'm just the next meeting anything else motion to go into that motion 1894 01:37:02,039 --> 01:37:04,739 to go into executive session for personnel matter 1895 01:37:04,739 --> 01:37:11,329 thank you very much