1 00:00:00,110 --> 00:00:07,889 I don't know. 2 00:00:07,889 --> 00:00:10,130 I don't know. 3 00:00:10,130 --> 00:00:15,810 To the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for 4 00:00:15,810 --> 00:00:30,429 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 5 00:00:30,429 --> 00:00:33,149 Welcome to a meeting of Stanford's record. 6 00:00:33,149 --> 00:00:37,350 We've had a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda. 7 00:00:37,350 --> 00:00:42,049 You may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your meeting address. 8 00:00:42,049 --> 00:00:48,250 You will notice that all our meetings are recorded, and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes. 9 00:00:48,250 --> 00:00:54,369 Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor, and 15 minutes per topic. 10 00:00:54,369 --> 00:00:58,869 Discussion will be held in a common, civilized manner, and respectful of others. 11 00:00:58,869 --> 00:01:00,770 So our board members present are- 12 00:01:00,770 --> 00:01:01,570 Mike Donnell. 13 00:01:01,570 --> 00:01:02,649 Nancy Brasheka. 14 00:01:02,649 --> 00:01:03,549 John Murray. 15 00:01:03,549 --> 00:01:04,370 John Dunn. 16 00:01:04,370 --> 00:01:05,670 Burt Meyer. 17 00:01:05,670 --> 00:01:07,150 Will there be any adding? 18 00:01:07,150 --> 00:01:07,349 Why don't we- 19 00:01:07,349 --> 00:01:12,430 Or removing of items from tonight's agenda? 20 00:01:12,430 --> 00:01:17,629 I'd like to request the executive session to discuss the personnel. 21 00:01:17,629 --> 00:01:22,200 Okay. 22 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,019 And I have initial correspondence, if that's correct. 23 00:01:25,019 --> 00:01:26,640 Okay. 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:34,180 We usually will do executive session at the end of the meeting, is that okay? 25 00:01:34,180 --> 00:01:34,680 Good. 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:40,340 Okay. 27 00:01:40,340 --> 00:01:45,980 First order of business is appointments, or do you want to do hearing of visitors first? 28 00:01:45,980 --> 00:01:46,980 Or will there be any adjustments to the agenda? 29 00:01:46,980 --> 00:01:50,189 Maybe we should do hearing of the visitors first, because they might not want to stay 30 00:01:50,189 --> 00:01:51,189 for the whole meeting, and there's a lot of people standing. 31 00:01:51,189 --> 00:01:52,189 Okay. 32 00:01:52,189 --> 00:01:53,189 Please state your name if you are going to speak as hearing of visitor, because there's 33 00:01:53,189 --> 00:01:54,189 a lot of new faces here that we don't know, and who are you to know? 34 00:01:54,189 --> 00:01:55,189 Yes, sir. 35 00:01:55,189 --> 00:01:56,189 I'm Michael Cole, from . 36 00:01:56,189 --> 00:01:57,189 Mike, do you want to go first? 37 00:01:57,189 --> 00:01:58,189 Sure. 38 00:01:58,189 --> 00:02:00,150 Okay. 39 00:02:00,150 --> 00:02:01,150 Thank you. 40 00:02:01,150 --> 00:02:02,150 Thank you. 41 00:02:02,150 --> 00:02:03,150 Thank you. 42 00:02:03,150 --> 00:02:04,150 Thank you. 43 00:02:04,150 --> 00:02:05,150 Thank you. 44 00:02:05,150 --> 00:02:06,150 Thank you. 45 00:02:06,150 --> 00:02:07,150 Thank you. 46 00:02:07,150 --> 00:02:08,150 Thank you. 47 00:02:08,150 --> 00:02:09,150 Thank you. 48 00:02:09,150 --> 00:02:10,150 Thank you. 49 00:02:10,150 --> 00:02:11,150 Thank you. 50 00:02:11,150 --> 00:02:12,150 Thank you. 51 00:02:12,150 --> 00:02:13,379 Thank you. 52 00:02:13,379 --> 00:02:14,379 Thank you. 53 00:02:14,379 --> 00:02:15,379 Thank you. 54 00:02:15,379 --> 00:02:16,379 Thank you. 55 00:02:16,379 --> 00:02:25,180 Thank you. 56 00:02:25,180 --> 00:02:26,180 Thank you. 57 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:27,180 Thank you. 58 00:02:27,180 --> 00:02:28,500 Okay. 59 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:35,419 AlkaWald was coming here tonight to request some action be taken on Culvert, Sportsman's 60 00:02:35,419 --> 00:02:39,659 road at the top of Suzanne Drive. 61 00:02:39,659 --> 00:02:44,599 Our best estimate right this second is that it's washed out. 62 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:50,210 Our road, Suzanne Drive, was washed out due to that culvert four times since 97. 63 00:02:50,210 --> 00:02:56,400 And we're just hoping we can get a bigger culvert installed, try to curb the problems, 64 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,240 because it seems to be happening more and more. 65 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:10,930 Would a larger culvert, I'm not familiar with what exactly the culvert is, but would a larger culvert be bringing more water down your road? 66 00:03:10,930 --> 00:03:17,930 It would put more water but it would keep it in the ditch line because the culvert, what happens is it gets overwhelmed and then it comes across your road and down our road. 67 00:03:17,930 --> 00:03:19,930 So it blocks up on the upper side? 68 00:03:19,930 --> 00:03:20,930 Yeah, exactly. 69 00:03:20,930 --> 00:03:21,930 Okay. 70 00:03:21,930 --> 00:03:29,199 I live on Suzanne and when that road washes out, all the dirt is either in my yard or this yard. 71 00:03:29,199 --> 00:03:47,699 And like he said, it's happened numerous times, no one ever comes and fixes our yards and it would be really, really nice to contain all the water that comes through that culvert's huge amount. 72 00:03:47,699 --> 00:03:50,699 I think we should go up and look at it, talk to Dave. 73 00:03:50,699 --> 00:03:52,020 Yeah. 74 00:03:52,020 --> 00:03:53,020 Dave, thanks. 75 00:03:53,020 --> 00:03:56,020 It's a two-foot culvert, it's there right now. 76 00:03:56,020 --> 00:04:01,020 And I do, July 4th is the last time it washed the road. 77 00:04:01,020 --> 00:04:03,020 I went up July 4th. 78 00:04:03,020 --> 00:04:05,020 I worked for Marcus Escobar, he was the contractor there. 79 00:04:05,020 --> 00:04:06,020 I went up July 4th. 80 00:04:06,020 --> 00:04:11,020 I cleaned the culvert out, got all the debris out of it but I just still couldn't take the water that day. 81 00:04:11,020 --> 00:04:22,389 And actually July 8th or 6th, we got another good patch of rain and it started to come across again. 82 00:04:22,389 --> 00:04:32,899 And I actually dug the Stanford, the ditch out on Sportsman's Drive from Suzanne Drive up to the next house farther up from Suzanne Drive. 83 00:04:32,899 --> 00:04:36,899 And made a berm in the road and contained the water from coming down Suzanne Drive as we've just seen. 84 00:04:36,899 --> 00:04:44,259 So it just seems to be being more and more of an issue with these heavy rain stones we're getting. 85 00:04:44,259 --> 00:04:48,319 So we're just looking for somewhat of a long-term solution. 86 00:04:48,319 --> 00:05:00,319 We do have time documented videos of these days, recently of this year. 87 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:08,529 Has anyone from the board or Alcamal been here before to talk to the board about this culvert? 88 00:05:08,529 --> 00:05:09,529 No, no I don't. 89 00:05:09,529 --> 00:05:10,529 Okay. 90 00:05:10,529 --> 00:05:11,529 This is the first. 91 00:05:11,529 --> 00:05:13,529 And you said this is the fourth time it's washed out. 92 00:05:13,529 --> 00:05:14,529 Yeah. 93 00:05:14,529 --> 00:05:18,529 And it's kind of always been a, everybody says it's a freak thing, always big water. 94 00:05:18,529 --> 00:05:20,529 But it seems to be more and more and more. 95 00:05:20,529 --> 00:05:22,529 This question's actually to you. 96 00:05:22,529 --> 00:05:31,529 I thought Alcamal had contacted the select board at previous times about pitching you for financing for fixing that whole area. 97 00:05:31,529 --> 00:05:32,529 I wasn't a part of the board then. 98 00:05:32,529 --> 00:05:35,529 I have no clue about any of that. 99 00:05:35,529 --> 00:05:37,529 I'm pretty sure that didn't happen in the past. 100 00:05:37,529 --> 00:05:42,529 I know that my boss, Craig Vargas, wanted to talk to Dave after I dreamed about it, touched on it. 101 00:05:42,529 --> 00:05:44,529 But that was, I mean, too bad. 102 00:05:44,529 --> 00:05:47,529 I know I've had conversations about that culvert with, you know. 103 00:05:47,529 --> 00:05:48,529 But it was informal. 104 00:05:48,529 --> 00:05:49,529 Yeah, nothing. 105 00:05:49,529 --> 00:05:50,529 I mean, it wasn't, nothing. 106 00:05:50,529 --> 00:05:55,529 And it's, like you said, it's kind of, I mean, we have 300 culverts in the town of Stanford. 107 00:05:55,529 --> 00:05:59,529 And that's not the only one that's undersized at this point. 108 00:05:59,529 --> 00:06:00,529 Yeah. 109 00:06:00,529 --> 00:06:07,620 Going to a larger culvert isn't necessarily going to fix the problem because, as you know, in those type of storms, 110 00:06:07,620 --> 00:06:14,620 everything from the woods decides it's going to run out into the streams and little things turn into big things. 111 00:06:14,620 --> 00:06:17,620 And you can't be everywhere at once to try to unplug it. 112 00:06:17,620 --> 00:06:20,620 So it's a two foot now. 113 00:06:20,620 --> 00:06:25,620 If we went to a 30 inch, it probably isn't going to make much of a difference. 114 00:06:25,620 --> 00:06:29,620 To go three foot or larger, it'd have to have a hydraulic study done on it. 115 00:06:29,620 --> 00:06:34,620 And then they're going to decide what should be sufficient for that area. 116 00:06:34,620 --> 00:06:36,620 I think part of the issue is the fact that it has to make sense. 117 00:06:36,620 --> 00:06:37,620 Yeah. 118 00:06:37,620 --> 00:06:38,620 To make that 90 degree turn. 119 00:06:38,620 --> 00:06:39,620 Yeah. 120 00:06:39,620 --> 00:06:45,620 The two footer's probably close to adequate, I would say, if it actually took a direct straight flow. 121 00:06:45,620 --> 00:06:46,620 Yeah. 122 00:06:46,620 --> 00:06:49,620 But then again, debris could plug it. 123 00:06:49,620 --> 00:06:50,620 Yeah. 124 00:06:50,620 --> 00:06:57,620 I mean, we had bridges in the July 10th that are engineered by the state to handle the flow that plugged up. 125 00:06:57,620 --> 00:07:02,620 And, you know, the whole roaring branch here is going down Mill Road. 126 00:07:02,620 --> 00:07:03,620 Yeah. 127 00:07:03,620 --> 00:07:06,620 So, unfortunately, the water is. 128 00:07:06,620 --> 00:07:12,620 And then I would say since 09, it seems like we've had more frequent storms since 2009. 129 00:07:12,620 --> 00:07:16,620 And but we've got plenty of issues like that. 130 00:07:16,620 --> 00:07:20,620 And I would say that the culvert itself hasn't failed. 131 00:07:20,620 --> 00:07:23,620 If it were failed, then yes, definitely. 132 00:07:23,620 --> 00:07:25,620 I probably would have a hydraulic study done on it anyway. 133 00:07:25,620 --> 00:07:28,620 And I still can, I think, to move forward on it. 134 00:07:28,620 --> 00:07:34,620 I probably would contact AOT and have a hydraulic study just to show some kind of good faith effort here. 135 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:35,620 Yeah. 136 00:07:35,620 --> 00:07:36,620 We should have there. 137 00:07:36,620 --> 00:07:37,620 Yeah. 138 00:07:37,620 --> 00:07:41,620 Because, unfortunately, it hasn't washed out because our room washes out before that culvert does. 139 00:07:41,620 --> 00:07:42,620 Yeah. 140 00:07:42,620 --> 00:07:43,620 That's what the problem is. 141 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:44,620 Yeah. 142 00:07:44,620 --> 00:07:50,620 I would say that it doesn't cause, like, the town of Stanford itself a hardship when it happens. 143 00:07:50,620 --> 00:07:51,620 Yeah. 144 00:07:51,620 --> 00:07:52,620 So, it's been on the back burner. 145 00:07:52,620 --> 00:07:55,620 And I know it's unfortunate for Elkenwald and the residents. 146 00:07:55,620 --> 00:08:00,620 But I've been trying to deal with, you know, our roads themselves. 147 00:08:00,620 --> 00:08:01,620 So. 148 00:08:01,620 --> 00:08:02,620 Yeah. 149 00:08:02,620 --> 00:08:03,620 I have similar issues going on myself with our town. 150 00:08:03,620 --> 00:08:04,620 Yeah. 151 00:08:04,620 --> 00:08:05,620 With our town roads. 152 00:08:05,620 --> 00:08:06,709 So. 153 00:08:06,709 --> 00:08:07,709 Right. 154 00:08:07,709 --> 00:08:08,709 But just because we're not on the town road, it doesn't mean we can't, we shouldn't be 155 00:08:08,709 --> 00:08:09,709 taken care of as a town resident. 156 00:08:09,709 --> 00:08:10,709 I don't disagree with you, but it doesn't come out of the highway budget. 157 00:08:10,709 --> 00:08:11,709 You know, my highway budget for culverts, I think, is $4,000. 158 00:08:11,709 --> 00:08:12,709 And it would not even cover that one culvert. 159 00:08:12,709 --> 00:08:13,709 It will, actually. 160 00:08:13,709 --> 00:08:14,709 The price of a 36-inch culvert right here is $1,143.25. 161 00:08:14,709 --> 00:08:15,709 I got this week. 162 00:08:15,709 --> 00:08:16,709 But are we going to. 163 00:08:16,709 --> 00:08:17,740 I assume you need two of them. 164 00:08:17,740 --> 00:08:18,740 So, that would get you up to $4,000. 165 00:08:18,740 --> 00:08:20,319 Yeah. 166 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:21,319 So, I'm going to go with that. 167 00:08:21,319 --> 00:08:22,319 Yeah. 168 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:23,319 I'm going to go with that. 169 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:24,319 I'm going to go with that. 170 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:25,319 So, that would get you up to $2,286.50. 171 00:08:25,319 --> 00:08:26,319 Plus the gravel. 172 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:27,319 Yeah. 173 00:08:27,319 --> 00:08:28,319 Which would be $560 if you bought it from Bart's Escalating. 174 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:29,319 So, you'd be at $2,846.50 for the whole job. 175 00:08:29,319 --> 00:08:30,319 And I've got, like I said, I've got 300 culverts in town. 176 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:31,319 I mean, I'm. 177 00:08:31,319 --> 00:08:32,320 And you'd gain a two-footer if you were careful digging it up. 178 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,320 Yeah. 179 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:34,320 It probably wouldn't happen. 180 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:35,320 Probably something we'd have to look into. 181 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:36,320 Yeah. 182 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:37,320 All right. 183 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:38,320 Thank you. 184 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,320 Thank you. 185 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,320 Thank you. 186 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,320 Thank you. 187 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:42,320 Thank you. 188 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:43,320 Thank you. 189 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,320 Thank you. 190 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:45,320 Thank you. 191 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:46,320 Thank you. 192 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,320 Thank you. 193 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,320 Thank you. 194 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,320 Thank you. 195 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,320 Thank you. 196 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:51,320 Thank you. 197 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:52,320 Thank you. 198 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:53,320 Thank you. 199 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:54,320 Thank you. 200 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:59,120 I don't disagree with you that it wouldn't be nice to have something better there. 201 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:05,559 But I don't necessarily think even a three-footer, with it taking it at an angle the way it does, 202 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:10,279 is going to guarantee 100% that it doesn't flood the road out to town. 203 00:09:10,279 --> 00:09:11,279 No, I agree with you there. 204 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:14,200 You may need another culvert higher up on the road. 205 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:15,200 No, it could be. 206 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,200 And this is our first talk. 207 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,879 Just, like I said, nobody's really formally asked for this, so it's just our first time. 208 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:22,000 But you have to look into it. 209 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:27,000 I'm not familiar with it myself, so I'd like to look at it too. 210 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,000 Mike, I did write back to you this afternoon. Did you read it? 211 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000 I did. 212 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,000 There's a big section of... 213 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,000 I've seen it here the last couple days in the snow mountain, yeah. 214 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,000 And then those two big swimming holes, if you will, that Jimmy Oliver used to dig up, 215 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,000 so the holes on that water, they're totally full of dirt. 216 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,000 So the water just, there's nowhere for it to go. 217 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,000 So, Colton, explain to me exactly where... 218 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:55,220 So the culvert, on Sportsman's Road, Suzanne Drive is Alpenwald, drops off the low side. 219 00:09:55,220 --> 00:09:56,220 That's Alpenwald. 220 00:09:56,220 --> 00:10:00,220 The culvert is where the mailboxes are at the top of Suzanne Drive. 221 00:10:00,220 --> 00:10:01,289 Okay. 222 00:10:01,289 --> 00:10:05,289 And it crosses Sportsman's Road, and the ditch heads down... 223 00:10:05,289 --> 00:10:07,289 Right there at the intersection. 224 00:10:07,289 --> 00:10:10,289 Yeah, exactly, and the ditch heads right down Suzanne Drive. 225 00:10:10,289 --> 00:10:16,059 Hey, would you, I know you're familiar with it. 226 00:10:16,059 --> 00:10:20,090 Do you want to get anybody down here to look at it with you for suggestions? 227 00:10:20,090 --> 00:10:21,090 Because you said... 228 00:10:21,090 --> 00:10:25,090 Yeah, I would have a hydraulic study done on it. 229 00:10:25,090 --> 00:10:30,090 I mean, I could have my opinion, everybody could have their opinion about it, 230 00:10:30,090 --> 00:10:33,090 but, you know, they're going to do an actual hydraulic study. 231 00:10:33,090 --> 00:10:36,090 In order to put a 36-inch culvert, you have to... 232 00:10:36,090 --> 00:10:38,090 Right, that's right, the town does, yeah. 233 00:10:38,090 --> 00:10:40,090 It's not going to happen right away down there. 234 00:10:40,090 --> 00:10:42,090 You know that, this weather, so... 235 00:10:42,090 --> 00:10:47,759 Like I said, this was just the first step in the reaching out to you guys. 236 00:10:47,759 --> 00:10:51,429 I could personally testify that four times this night, 237 00:10:51,429 --> 00:11:08,600 seven that I've had repair, just working for being part of... 238 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:14,389 We will have Dave look into this, and we'll be hearing something, 239 00:11:14,389 --> 00:11:17,389 or seeing something, or reading in the minutes what's going on. 240 00:11:17,389 --> 00:11:18,389 Yep, perfect. 241 00:11:18,389 --> 00:11:19,389 Okay. 242 00:11:19,389 --> 00:11:20,389 Appreciate you guys' time. 243 00:11:20,389 --> 00:11:21,389 Thank you. 244 00:11:21,389 --> 00:11:22,389 Thank you. 245 00:11:22,389 --> 00:11:25,149 Thank you. 246 00:11:25,149 --> 00:11:26,149 Anybody else? 247 00:11:26,149 --> 00:11:30,149 My name is Brian . 248 00:11:30,149 --> 00:11:34,149 I'd like to volunteer, along with Marta Miller, 249 00:11:34,149 --> 00:11:35,149 to organize the... 250 00:11:35,149 --> 00:11:43,399 to organize this year's green-up day. 251 00:11:43,399 --> 00:11:45,399 Yes, can you give it to Lori, please? 252 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:58,379 Do we have to motion it, or is that just... 253 00:11:58,379 --> 00:12:00,379 Well, he said he'd like to volunteer, 254 00:12:00,379 --> 00:12:02,379 but we're not in appointments yet. 255 00:12:02,379 --> 00:12:03,379 Okay. 256 00:12:03,379 --> 00:12:04,379 Okay? 257 00:12:04,379 --> 00:12:05,379 Sure. 258 00:12:05,379 --> 00:12:13,370 Any other hearing visitors? 259 00:12:13,370 --> 00:12:14,370 So, appointments. 260 00:12:14,370 --> 00:12:23,179 . 261 00:12:23,179 --> 00:12:24,179 Okay. 262 00:12:24,179 --> 00:12:28,700 . 263 00:12:28,700 --> 00:12:29,700 Sure, let's go. 264 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:32,779 One at a time, then. 265 00:12:32,779 --> 00:12:33,779 Okay. 266 00:12:33,779 --> 00:12:34,779 Okay. 267 00:12:34,779 --> 00:12:35,779 One word of adjustment was Sheila Pecor and Dave Saldo. 268 00:12:35,779 --> 00:12:36,779 Both their terms are up. 269 00:12:36,779 --> 00:12:37,779 And we know you gave us a letter last week for Sheila. 270 00:12:37,779 --> 00:12:38,779 A letter for Sheila Pecor, yep, and an e-mail from... 271 00:12:38,779 --> 00:12:40,899 I'm sorry? 272 00:12:40,899 --> 00:12:41,899 Because I had an e-mail from Dave Saldo, but then I saw he's here. 273 00:12:41,899 --> 00:12:42,899 Oh, okay. 274 00:12:42,899 --> 00:12:43,899 Yep, and they both would like to be reappointed? 275 00:12:43,899 --> 00:12:44,940 Any motion, rejection? 276 00:12:44,940 --> 00:13:08,720 I was going to say, do you want to do this one at a time, or just... 277 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:09,720 Whatever's easier. 278 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,279 Whatever's easier, Lori. 279 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:12,960 I vote one of the two. 280 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,080 Okay, motion. 281 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:14,919 Second. 282 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:16,039 All in favor? 283 00:13:16,039 --> 00:13:17,360 Aye. 284 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:24,340 Okay, emergency management director. 285 00:13:24,340 --> 00:13:29,059 Bill Levine, your term is up and you said you do not want this anymore. 286 00:13:29,059 --> 00:13:30,100 My term is up. 287 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:36,419 Bob Briggs has sent an email expressing his interest and his willingness to serve. 288 00:13:36,419 --> 00:13:41,379 And Stuart Johnson did not send an email, but I have discussed it with him. 289 00:13:41,379 --> 00:13:47,139 And he is interested in serving as emergency management coordinator. 290 00:13:47,139 --> 00:13:53,179 In addition, Sheila Lawrence is currently emergency management coordinator. 291 00:13:53,179 --> 00:13:59,259 I'd like you to appoint two coordinators this year. 292 00:13:59,259 --> 00:14:06,009 Both Stuart and Bob have a lot of experience in multiple hazards. 293 00:14:06,009 --> 00:14:12,129 Not necessarily all the detail of the town by virtue of her school bus driving. 294 00:14:12,129 --> 00:14:13,649 Sheila has so much experience. 295 00:14:13,649 --> 00:14:17,450 With the locations in town and the people. 296 00:14:17,450 --> 00:14:21,049 I truly would like you to keep her as a resource person. 297 00:14:21,049 --> 00:14:28,350 And I think her ability to coordinate at a time when you also have sheltering on the agenda. 298 00:14:28,350 --> 00:14:36,169 She will make a significant contribution. 299 00:14:36,169 --> 00:14:38,090 Go ahead. 300 00:14:38,090 --> 00:14:40,090 Motion. 301 00:14:40,090 --> 00:14:41,740 Second. 302 00:14:41,740 --> 00:14:43,259 Go ahead. 303 00:14:43,259 --> 00:14:50,490 Bob Briggs as emergency director. 304 00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:51,840 Kurt. 305 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,139 Yeah. 306 00:14:53,139 --> 00:14:54,600 We're going. 307 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:56,559 And Stuart. 308 00:14:56,559 --> 00:14:57,720 And Stuart is. 309 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,360 You said no. 310 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:00,480 What? 311 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:01,240 Hey, where's Stuart? 312 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:02,120 Stuart is here. 313 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:03,200 Stuart is not here. 314 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,279 I know. 315 00:15:04,279 --> 00:15:05,720 Stuart, you just said it's Stuart. 316 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,730 I'm recognizing Stuart. 317 00:15:09,730 --> 00:15:10,289 Yeah. 318 00:15:10,289 --> 00:15:11,169 Stuart, yeah. 319 00:15:11,169 --> 00:15:14,570 I like the . 320 00:15:14,570 --> 00:15:25,970 So was that a, what was the motion for Bob? 321 00:15:25,970 --> 00:15:27,409 Motion. 322 00:15:27,409 --> 00:15:29,049 Are you going to do it individually or both together? 323 00:15:29,049 --> 00:15:30,730 Both of them are doing it at the same time. 324 00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:31,570 Okay. 325 00:15:31,570 --> 00:15:32,970 Bob director and Sheila and Stuart. 326 00:15:32,970 --> 00:15:33,970 Okay. 327 00:15:33,970 --> 00:15:35,610 And Stuart as coordinator? 328 00:15:35,610 --> 00:15:37,210 Yes. 329 00:15:37,210 --> 00:15:38,250 Any seconds? 330 00:15:38,250 --> 00:15:39,289 Second. 331 00:15:39,289 --> 00:15:41,340 All in favor? 332 00:15:41,340 --> 00:15:44,179 Aye. 333 00:15:46,450 --> 00:15:47,570 Bob. 334 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,120 Touch with me and say you'd like to stay on another year. 335 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,269 Anybody else on it? 336 00:15:55,269 --> 00:15:56,149 I think so. 337 00:15:56,149 --> 00:16:00,909 Get to meet all the dogs in town. 338 00:16:00,909 --> 00:16:02,110 What's the statement they got? 339 00:16:02,110 --> 00:16:03,710 Motion to have. 340 00:16:03,710 --> 00:16:04,669 Any second? 341 00:16:04,669 --> 00:16:05,429 Say it. 342 00:16:05,429 --> 00:16:06,509 All in favor? 343 00:16:06,509 --> 00:16:09,220 Aye. 344 00:16:09,220 --> 00:16:15,679 Energy coordinator, Jennifer Hughes. 345 00:16:15,679 --> 00:16:16,440 No one else? 346 00:16:19,620 --> 00:16:20,460 No. 347 00:16:20,460 --> 00:16:25,639 We probably ought to post it through the minutes that we're looking for somebody to take that 348 00:16:25,639 --> 00:16:30,740 position on, put you next to it, put you next to that, or someone else. 349 00:16:30,740 --> 00:16:35,009 Septic officer, Maura Hawkins. 350 00:16:35,009 --> 00:16:36,009 No response. 351 00:16:36,009 --> 00:16:37,009 Say it again. 352 00:16:37,009 --> 00:16:38,259 Say it again. 353 00:16:38,259 --> 00:16:42,940 Just put them in the minutes that we're looking for some volunteers. 354 00:16:42,940 --> 00:16:46,100 Planning commission, Aaron Malachow. 355 00:16:46,100 --> 00:16:49,820 So I am actually going to ask to not be reappointed. 356 00:16:49,820 --> 00:16:50,820 So. 357 00:16:50,820 --> 00:16:51,299 Sorry, Aaron. 358 00:16:51,299 --> 00:16:52,100 Yeah. 359 00:16:52,299 --> 00:16:55,860 I've accomplished a lot, and I just don't have the time to put into it, and I think 360 00:16:55,860 --> 00:16:58,940 I feel like I should open up the spot for somebody else. 361 00:16:58,940 --> 00:17:00,580 Okay. 362 00:17:00,580 --> 00:17:01,580 So I have. 363 00:17:01,580 --> 00:17:04,579 And then I know, we killed the windmill, so. 364 00:17:04,579 --> 00:17:16,180 So we have Lisa Graham from last week, Peter Greenbush, and Alden Finney. 365 00:17:16,180 --> 00:17:18,180 I don't know if you want to look at them. 366 00:17:18,180 --> 00:17:20,470 What was that for? 367 00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:21,470 Planning commission. 368 00:17:21,470 --> 00:17:27,180 Planning commission. 369 00:17:27,180 --> 00:17:30,990 Yeah. 370 00:17:30,990 --> 00:17:36,380 Yeah. 371 00:17:36,740 --> 00:17:38,099 Planning commission for zoning board? 372 00:17:38,099 --> 00:17:40,099 Thank you, Thank you very much. 373 00:17:40,099 --> 00:17:41,099 I am. 374 00:17:41,099 --> 00:17:45,130 You guys are considering planning commission because I'm the zoning administrator, and 375 00:17:45,130 --> 00:17:50,289 I have, you know, I'm at all the meetings. 376 00:17:50,289 --> 00:17:53,289 I feel that my position is extremely important. 377 00:17:53,289 --> 00:17:59,289 I wouldn't mind opening up my position on the planning commission to someone else who 378 00:17:59,289 --> 00:18:02,660 might want to serve. 379 00:18:02,660 --> 00:18:05,940 I don't know if I need to submit a letter of resignation for that, or if you can possibly 380 00:18:05,940 --> 00:18:06,940 have someone fit with me for my position. 381 00:18:06,940 --> 00:18:09,490 Possibly make an appointment. 382 00:18:09,490 --> 00:18:17,579 Let's keep in mind, too, that Jen, who was also on the planning commission, 383 00:18:17,579 --> 00:18:24,650 she may want to really force her position as energy coordinator to take one of those seats. 384 00:18:24,650 --> 00:18:25,650 I'm not sure. 385 00:18:25,650 --> 00:18:29,650 I've talked to her about having me be the energy coordinator, 386 00:18:29,650 --> 00:18:33,650 and she was adamant she wanted to stay. 387 00:18:33,650 --> 00:18:38,650 This was last year, because I really feel as a new administrator 388 00:18:38,650 --> 00:18:40,650 it's almost a conflict on the planning commission, 389 00:18:40,650 --> 00:18:50,029 and if there are other people that want to serve, I'm happy to let other people serve. 390 00:18:50,029 --> 00:18:53,029 I would like someone in writing, even though Dennis is here. 391 00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:57,029 So we're down to seven now on the pie board. 392 00:18:57,029 --> 00:18:59,029 It's in minutes. 393 00:18:59,029 --> 00:19:02,769 Why don't I go down to five? 394 00:19:02,769 --> 00:19:03,769 So we're down to, yes. 395 00:19:03,769 --> 00:19:04,769 There will be a lot. 396 00:19:04,769 --> 00:19:06,769 It's a lot easier to have the meetings. 397 00:19:06,769 --> 00:19:08,769 Then we only need three people. 398 00:19:08,769 --> 00:19:09,769 I'm out on the board now, too. 399 00:19:09,769 --> 00:19:11,769 I was an ex-officio. 400 00:19:11,769 --> 00:19:14,769 So the reason why it's one office is because nobody was showing up. 401 00:19:14,769 --> 00:19:16,769 That's what I remember. 402 00:19:16,769 --> 00:19:18,769 That's not right. 403 00:19:18,769 --> 00:19:23,769 It was in the minutes when people were coming to us. 404 00:19:23,769 --> 00:19:24,769 I can't remember who the chair was. 405 00:19:24,769 --> 00:19:25,769 Well, I remember the whole thing. 406 00:19:25,769 --> 00:19:27,769 But the pie board went for years. 407 00:19:27,769 --> 00:19:33,769 But I know, but just in the last five, ten years that I was on this board, 408 00:19:33,769 --> 00:19:34,769 people weren't showing up on the planning commission. 409 00:19:34,769 --> 00:19:38,769 They said, well, we're going to add people so that we can have a quorum. 410 00:19:38,769 --> 00:19:43,769 We had an issue of having a quorum with a nine-person board. 411 00:19:43,769 --> 00:19:44,769 Right. 412 00:19:44,769 --> 00:19:52,769 And we, so we, one of the biggest reasons that went to a nine-person board, 413 00:19:52,769 --> 00:19:55,769 at least to my knowledge, was because we had to redo the zoning bylaws. 414 00:19:55,769 --> 00:20:01,119 We had to do a complete rewrite of the zoning, which took over two years to do. 415 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,539 So we're not doing a complete rewrite of the zoning bylaw anymore. 416 00:20:04,539 --> 00:20:06,539 There are some things that are being touched up. 417 00:20:06,539 --> 00:20:10,539 But potentially a nine-person board isn't necessary anymore. 418 00:20:10,539 --> 00:20:13,539 A town our size doesn't necessarily need a nine-person board. 419 00:20:13,539 --> 00:20:20,700 My opinion with leaving and not being reappointed was there are other people that have the time 420 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:22,700 to dedicate to the position. 421 00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:24,700 And I just don't have it. 422 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:26,700 It worked in volunteer commitments. 423 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:28,759 I just don't have it right now. 424 00:20:28,759 --> 00:20:31,109 So, I mean, it's up to you to keep it nine or five. 425 00:20:31,109 --> 00:20:34,430 I think the people that are on the board currently are committed. 426 00:20:34,430 --> 00:20:37,430 For the most part. 427 00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:39,430 That's my opinion. 428 00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:48,099 If there are people that are interested in filling those positions, I would, my opinion would be to leave it as a nine-person board. 429 00:20:48,099 --> 00:20:51,099 If we have people that have already expressed interest. 430 00:20:51,099 --> 00:20:55,099 I know I read the minutes and Lisa had expressed interest in joining. 431 00:20:55,099 --> 00:20:58,450 So, that would be my opinion. 432 00:20:58,450 --> 00:21:02,450 Here's one of the arguments for keeping an F7, which we're at now. 433 00:21:02,450 --> 00:21:03,450 F7. 434 00:21:03,450 --> 00:21:04,450 Is diversity. 435 00:21:04,450 --> 00:21:05,670 I wasn't going to bring this up until we were done. 436 00:21:05,670 --> 00:21:06,670 Okay. 437 00:21:06,670 --> 00:21:07,670 We're going to talk about the sign again. 438 00:21:07,670 --> 00:21:09,670 But I'll just open this one up. 439 00:21:09,670 --> 00:21:11,670 I'll just open it right up now. 440 00:21:11,670 --> 00:21:19,410 So, we're potentially about ready as this board to send back to the planning board the issue of the sign up right here. 441 00:21:19,410 --> 00:21:24,410 So, there's immediate conflict there for the seven-member voting board with potentially four members of that board. 442 00:21:24,410 --> 00:21:25,410 Right. 443 00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:27,410 Two of them also sit on the ZBA. 444 00:21:27,410 --> 00:21:31,079 One of them was on the sign committee. 445 00:21:31,079 --> 00:21:34,500 And Deb just said she's ready to relinquish her position. 446 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:36,500 But she's the AL. 447 00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:37,500 So, all directly involved with the ZBA. 448 00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:41,500 So, at least three voting members left for that board. 449 00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:43,500 They can't even vote on that. 450 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:45,500 They can't even vote on that issue. 451 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:48,819 So, I don't know where it goes from there. 452 00:21:48,819 --> 00:21:49,819 Back to us. 453 00:21:49,819 --> 00:21:50,819 I have no idea. 454 00:21:50,819 --> 00:21:53,819 We're not sending it back to the planning commission to vote on the sign. 455 00:21:53,819 --> 00:21:57,819 We're asking if they want to amend the bylaws. 456 00:21:57,819 --> 00:21:59,819 Which only three people would be able to vote on. 457 00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:01,329 Right? 458 00:22:01,329 --> 00:22:02,329 Otherwise, it's a conflict. 459 00:22:02,329 --> 00:22:03,579 That's the way I see it. 460 00:22:03,579 --> 00:22:06,579 I mean, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like a conflict. 461 00:22:06,579 --> 00:22:07,579 I think that there's an argument. 462 00:22:07,579 --> 00:22:08,579 Against that. 463 00:22:08,579 --> 00:22:09,579 But I understand what you're saying. 464 00:22:09,579 --> 00:22:10,579 Yeah. 465 00:22:10,579 --> 00:22:15,579 I just thought, as long as we're following all the correct procedures since this whole 466 00:22:15,579 --> 00:22:20,579 sign thing got brought up, that's a procedure that's worth looking into. 467 00:22:20,579 --> 00:22:24,650 The issue with what you're talking about is the procedure itself. 468 00:22:24,650 --> 00:22:28,650 The correct procedure would have been to take it to the environmental court, let them make 469 00:22:28,650 --> 00:22:29,650 a decision. 470 00:22:29,650 --> 00:22:33,650 Bottom line is, you sent it to a lawyer who came back and said, take it down. 471 00:22:33,650 --> 00:22:36,650 You sent it to the ZBA who said, take it down. 472 00:22:36,650 --> 00:22:37,650 And now... 473 00:22:37,650 --> 00:22:38,650 Now the BLCT is telling us to go back to the planning board, which I'm just pointing 474 00:22:38,650 --> 00:22:39,650 out to the fact that there's not a major conflict with that decision. 475 00:22:39,650 --> 00:22:40,650 Because you've got people voting on both ends of the spectrum on that. 476 00:22:40,650 --> 00:22:41,650 I don't believe you can go back. 477 00:22:41,650 --> 00:22:42,650 Okay, well... 478 00:22:42,650 --> 00:22:43,650 That's what they briefed the advisors to do. 479 00:22:43,650 --> 00:22:44,650 We've got to somehow... 480 00:22:44,650 --> 00:22:45,650 Let's go on the planning board and go to the new appointments. 481 00:22:45,650 --> 00:22:46,650 All right. 482 00:22:46,650 --> 00:22:47,650 Aaron Malachuk, you are not interested in being reappointed, so we have three people 483 00:22:47,650 --> 00:22:48,650 who are going to be reappointed. 484 00:22:48,650 --> 00:22:49,650 Okay. 485 00:22:49,650 --> 00:22:50,650 Aaron Malachuk. 486 00:22:50,650 --> 00:22:51,650 Aaron Malachuk. 487 00:22:51,650 --> 00:22:52,650 Aaron Malachuk. 488 00:22:52,650 --> 00:22:53,650 Aaron Malachuk. 489 00:22:53,650 --> 00:22:54,650 Aaron Malachuk. 490 00:22:54,650 --> 00:22:55,650 Aaron Malachuk. 491 00:22:55,650 --> 00:22:56,650 Aaron Malachuk. 492 00:22:56,650 --> 00:22:57,650 Aaron Malachuk. 493 00:22:57,650 --> 00:22:58,650 Aaron Malachuk. 494 00:22:58,650 --> 00:22:59,650 Aaron Malachuk. 495 00:22:59,650 --> 00:23:00,650 Aaron Malachuk. 496 00:23:00,650 --> 00:23:01,650 So... 497 00:23:01,650 --> 00:23:02,650 Let's go on the planning board for the new appointments, all right? 498 00:23:02,650 --> 00:23:06,250 Aaron Malachuk, you are not interested in being reappointed, so we have three people 499 00:23:06,250 --> 00:23:07,430 that are Lisa, Peter, and Alan. 500 00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:12,829 So, Dad wants to step down and she has to be... 501 00:23:12,829 --> 00:23:16,009 I would like whatever her recommendation. 502 00:23:16,009 --> 00:23:17,009 Even though... 503 00:23:17,009 --> 00:23:18,009 Yeah. 504 00:23:18,009 --> 00:23:21,039 You're here, just write something. 505 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:22,039 Everything should have documentation. 506 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:27,750 So that leaves, what, two open seats? 507 00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:29,049 Two open seats. 508 00:23:29,049 --> 00:23:30,809 So, I would like the nominee... 509 00:23:30,809 --> 00:23:32,390 Peter Abram perch. 510 00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:45,660 I'd like to nominate Lisa Bramlin to the Planning Commission. 511 00:23:45,660 --> 00:23:47,710 Second. 512 00:23:47,710 --> 00:23:48,869 All in favor? 513 00:23:48,869 --> 00:23:49,869 Aye. 514 00:23:49,869 --> 00:23:51,579 Second. 515 00:23:51,579 --> 00:23:52,579 All in favor? 516 00:23:52,579 --> 00:23:53,579 Aye. 517 00:23:53,579 --> 00:23:54,579 Second. 518 00:23:54,579 --> 00:23:55,579 All in favor? 519 00:23:55,579 --> 00:23:56,579 Aye. 520 00:23:56,579 --> 00:23:57,579 And we'll see how anybody else is interested. 521 00:23:57,579 --> 00:23:58,579 All in each name. 522 00:23:58,579 --> 00:23:59,579 On file. 523 00:23:59,579 --> 00:24:00,579 Do you have any other questions? 524 00:24:00,579 --> 00:24:01,579 On the appointment letters, did they go back to Lori? 525 00:24:01,579 --> 00:24:02,579 No, they're right here. 526 00:24:02,579 --> 00:24:03,579 Okay. 527 00:24:03,579 --> 00:24:10,579 Send them back to Lori. 528 00:24:10,579 --> 00:24:11,829 Okay. 529 00:24:11,829 --> 00:24:13,150 Conservation Commission. 530 00:24:13,150 --> 00:24:14,150 Just a moment here. 531 00:24:14,150 --> 00:24:19,150 Shouldn't there be any kind of rules that you can only miss so many meetings before you 532 00:24:19,150 --> 00:24:31,519 are kicked off the board because you're not showing up? 533 00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:33,519 So that's where I was talking about how we wanted to prizes. 534 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:34,500 Okay. 535 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:38,940 I WENT TO A NINE BOARD MEMBER, OR NINE MEMBER BOARD. 536 00:24:38,940 --> 00:24:43,559 BACK WHEN THAT WAS HAPPENING, THERE WAS A RULE. 537 00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:47,619 AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT RULE, BUT IT WAS IF YOU MISSED 538 00:24:47,619 --> 00:24:51,059 THREE MEETINGS FOR NO REASON AT ALL, THEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED, 539 00:24:51,059 --> 00:24:53,160 THE CHAIR WAS SUPPOSED TO COME TO THE BOARD, AND WE WERE 540 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,359 SUPPOSED TO ASK THEM WHY, AND NOT ASK THEM TO STEP DOWN. 541 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,700 THERE WAS RULES PUT IN PLACE. 542 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:04,579 NO ONE HAS, NO ONE, NO ONE HAS, WOW. 543 00:25:04,579 --> 00:25:08,980 NO ONE HAS APPROACHED THIS BOARD FROM THE PLANNING BOARD 544 00:25:08,980 --> 00:25:10,660 SAYING THAT'S HAPPENING ANYMORE. 545 00:25:10,660 --> 00:25:14,519 THAT RULE WAS BEING MADE AFTER A CERTAIN TIME. 546 00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:17,420 WE'VE HAD PEOPLE MISS MORE THAN THREE MEETINGS NOW. 547 00:25:17,420 --> 00:25:20,559 THAT WAS A SELECT BOARD RULE, NOT A PLANNING BOARD RULE. 548 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:23,900 SO, I MEAN, AT THE TIME WHERE WE WENT TO NINE, 549 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:26,059 AT THE TIME WE WENT TO NINE MEMBERS, THERE WAS ALL KINDS 550 00:25:26,059 --> 00:25:29,579 OF THINGS THAT WERE UNHONORABLE THAT WERE GOING ON. 551 00:25:29,579 --> 00:25:32,380 THERE WAS A LOT OF REASONS WE WENT TO A NINE MEMBER BOARD. 552 00:25:32,380 --> 00:25:34,380 YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION ALL THE POLITICS 553 00:25:34,380 --> 00:25:36,980 THAT WERE INVOLVED, BUT THOSE THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING. 554 00:25:36,980 --> 00:25:39,680 I JUST KNOW WE'VE BEEN COMING TO THESE MEETINGS SINCE 555 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,980 WHEN NO THING STARTED, SO HOW MANY, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE MONTHS? 556 00:25:42,980 --> 00:25:45,559 AND POPPING HAS NEVER SHOWN UP TO A PLANNING BOARD MEETING. 557 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:47,460 IT WAS AT THE LAST TWO MEETINGS YOU WEREN'T THERE. 558 00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:48,660 OH, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT. 559 00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:50,299 I WAS GOING TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW, GUY. 560 00:25:50,299 --> 00:25:52,990 OKAY. 561 00:25:52,990 --> 00:25:54,410 LORI, ANY QUESTIONS? 562 00:25:54,410 --> 00:25:56,990 WELL, GOING BACK TO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, 563 00:25:56,990 --> 00:26:00,430 BEFORE I FORGET, THERE'S AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR 564 00:26:00,430 --> 00:26:01,390 COURSE. 565 00:26:01,390 --> 00:26:02,549 WHICH CENTER? 566 00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:04,289 OKAY, THEN YOU'RE ON THE BOARD. 567 00:26:04,289 --> 00:26:05,089 I'M ON BOARD. 568 00:26:05,089 --> 00:26:06,190 OKAY. 569 00:26:06,190 --> 00:26:08,990 I'M VIOLENT. 570 00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:13,720 OKAY, YOU HAD SOMETHING ON THE PLANNING, BUT YOU WENT BACK. 571 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,460 I JUST THINK THAT SHOULD BE A RULE. 572 00:26:15,460 --> 00:26:16,319 YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW UP. 573 00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:19,480 YOU CAN'T HAVE THE SEAT. 574 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,839 WE TRIED IT. 575 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:22,480 TRIED IT, IS THAT NOT A RULE? 576 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,819 YEAH, KEEP ATTENDANCE TO THE MEETINGS, 577 00:26:23,819 --> 00:26:26,309 AND WE'LL BRING IT TO OUR ATTENTION AGAIN. 578 00:26:26,309 --> 00:26:27,829 WHAT, HOW? 579 00:26:27,829 --> 00:26:29,470 KEEP ATTENDANCE TO THE MEETINGS, 580 00:26:29,470 --> 00:26:30,710 WHEN WE HAVE YOUR MEETINGS. 581 00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:34,309 WELL, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE CHAIR TO DO THAT. 582 00:26:34,309 --> 00:26:38,710 RIGHT, IT'S UP TO THE CHAIR TO COME TO OUR BOARD. 583 00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:41,910 IF THEIR CHAIR ISN'T COMING TO OUR BOARD AND SAYING ANYTHING, 584 00:26:41,910 --> 00:26:43,049 WE DON'T KNOW. 585 00:26:43,049 --> 00:26:46,750 SO, IN THE CASE OF SOMEONE WHO'S MISSING MEETINGS, 586 00:26:46,750 --> 00:26:49,730 WE'VE LEARNED FROM MISTAKES THAT WE MADE IN THE PAST. 587 00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:52,970 THERE ARE ALWAYS, MANY TIMES THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE 588 00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:54,269 DON'T KNOW ABOUT. 589 00:26:54,269 --> 00:26:58,170 SO, IN DAN BAUMAN'S CASE, I CALLED HIM SPECIFICALLY AND TALKED 590 00:26:58,170 --> 00:27:00,470 TO HIM, AND HE WAS AT THE NEXT MEETING. 591 00:27:00,470 --> 00:27:04,759 SO, WE'RE NOT IN THE, SO I CAN'T SPEAK AS THE CHAIR, 592 00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:07,799 BUT WE WERE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF TRYING TO, AT LEAST ME, 593 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:10,059 WHEN I WAS THE CHAIR, WAS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF TRYING TO REMOVE 594 00:27:10,059 --> 00:27:11,460 MEMBERS FROM OUR BOARD. 595 00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:15,500 MY GOAL WAS FOR ALL MEMBERS TO BE THERE AND TO PARTICIPATE. 596 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:17,980 THERE WAS A REASON THAT EVERY MEMBER WHO WAS ON THAT BOARD, 597 00:27:17,980 --> 00:27:20,880 WE HAD A VERY DIVERSE, IT WAS A VERY DIVERSE BOARD WITH LOTS OF 598 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,900 DIFFERENT OPINIONS. 599 00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:27,039 SO, AND THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR A REASON. 600 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:29,599 IN THE ERA, WHEN WE DID MAKE THAT RULE, WE DID SAY IF THERE 601 00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:32,599 WAS NO REASON, SO IF YOU REACH OUT TO A MEMBER AND THEY SAY, 602 00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:35,900 I'M IN THE HOSPITAL, YOU KNOW, I'M TAKING SOME, YOU KNOW. 603 00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:38,700 I'LL GIVE YOU DAN'S REASON. 604 00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:42,079 DAN, IT WAS AN EXTREMELY BRAINY YEAR. 605 00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:44,619 AND WE HAD MEETINGS ON SOME NICE DAYS. 606 00:27:44,619 --> 00:27:46,440 AND DAN'S IN THE LOGGING BUSINESS. 607 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,819 WHEN THERE'S NO MONEY, IT CAN'T BE IN THE WOODS. 608 00:27:48,819 --> 00:27:50,319 OR WHEN THERE'S MONEY, IT CAN'T BE IN THE WOODS. 609 00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:52,259 WHEN IT'S DRY, SO THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME. 610 00:27:52,259 --> 00:27:54,160 SO, I TAKE IT THAT WAY. 611 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,759 LET ME ASK THIS, HOW DO WE, LIKE, PASS THE TORCH NOW? 612 00:27:56,759 --> 00:27:58,259 BECAUSE YOU'RE THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD. 613 00:27:58,259 --> 00:28:00,420 HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GET IN? 614 00:28:00,420 --> 00:28:02,599 RIGHT NOW, SHE WAS THE VICE CHAIR. 615 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:04,700 SO, THE NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED BY SHEILA. 616 00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:07,579 SHE WOULD MOVE THE ROOM THROUGH LAURIE, 617 00:28:07,579 --> 00:28:12,779 AND THEN SHE REACHES OUT TO CAROLYN TO GET THE AGENDA 618 00:28:12,779 --> 00:28:16,089 FOR THE BOARD. 619 00:28:16,089 --> 00:28:17,410 AND THEN YOU HAVE TO RESTRUCTURE. 620 00:28:17,410 --> 00:28:20,789 YEAH, YOU HAVE TO RESTRUCTURE. 621 00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:22,690 YOU GUYS HAVE TO HAVE MEETINGS AT THE TOP. 622 00:28:22,690 --> 00:28:24,190 YEAH. 623 00:28:24,190 --> 00:28:26,029 COULD IT BE A VERY DIFFERENT BOARD 624 00:28:26,029 --> 00:28:32,089 THAN IT WAS, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS AGO? 625 00:28:32,089 --> 00:28:34,609 WE'LL SEE. 626 00:28:34,609 --> 00:28:36,549 STATE OF ITSELF, WE'RE UNRESENTING THE POSITION 627 00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:37,849 OF THE BOARD. 628 00:28:37,849 --> 00:28:40,990 AND I WOULD SAY, IF IT IS IN CONFLICT AND CLOSER INTEREST 629 00:28:40,990 --> 00:28:43,630 IN SERVING, THEY SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, OPINIONS FOR HONOR. 630 00:28:43,630 --> 00:28:44,730 WE WOULDN'T HAVE SHOWN THAT. 631 00:28:44,730 --> 00:28:46,029 OKAY, THIS IS GOOD. 632 00:28:46,029 --> 00:28:47,230 SORRY TO GET IN THE READING. 633 00:28:47,230 --> 00:28:48,490 THAT'S FINE. 634 00:28:48,490 --> 00:28:50,329 MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION. 635 00:28:50,329 --> 00:28:51,930 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 636 00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:53,329 SO, DOES THAT MEAN THERE'S ANOTHER SPOT 637 00:28:53,329 --> 00:28:54,329 OVER HERE? 638 00:28:54,329 --> 00:28:55,369 NO, THERE'S TWO. 639 00:28:55,369 --> 00:28:56,329 WE JUST FILLED IT. 640 00:28:56,329 --> 00:28:57,430 SECOND MOTION. 641 00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:58,230 SECOND. 642 00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:59,410 ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION. 643 00:28:59,410 --> 00:29:00,910 I GUESS WE PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, 644 00:29:00,910 --> 00:29:02,670 BECAUSE WE JUST APPOINTED TWO PEOPLE THERE. 645 00:29:02,670 --> 00:29:04,369 WE'LL SWITCH THE ROUND. 646 00:29:04,369 --> 00:29:09,309 WE'LL SWITCH THE ROUND. 647 00:29:09,309 --> 00:29:12,529 CONSERVATION COMMISSION. 648 00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:20,960 WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS, TWO VACANCIES, AND A NET NUMBER. 649 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,759 MY PRINTER DIED. 650 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:24,200 I DON'T HAVE A LONDER YET. 651 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,839 IT'S A DEEP-HUNK BOARD. 652 00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:27,500 I WOULD MAKE SUGGESTIONS THAT IT 653 00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:28,799 GETS REVIVED AT SOME LEVEL, 654 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:30,900 AT LEAST IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY. 655 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:31,940 LIKE I SAID LAST MEETING, 656 00:29:31,940 --> 00:29:34,000 IT'S A GREAT BOARD FOR PEOPLE TO 657 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,779 GET STARTED OUT IN COMP POLITICS 658 00:29:35,779 --> 00:29:36,579 IF THEY WANT. 659 00:29:36,579 --> 00:29:38,319 BECAUSE YOU NEVER MEET. 660 00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:39,980 SO IT'S PRETTY EASY. 661 00:29:39,980 --> 00:29:41,359 BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD ADVISORY 662 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:42,619 BOARD TO HAVE. 663 00:29:42,619 --> 00:29:44,769 IT'S A VACANT POSITION. 664 00:29:44,769 --> 00:29:46,109 JESS TATRO. 665 00:29:46,109 --> 00:29:47,069 DO WE HAVE IT THERE? 666 00:29:47,069 --> 00:29:48,079 OKAY. 667 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:48,740 I THINK THERE'S SEVERAL 668 00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:49,920 VACANCIES STILL. 669 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,549 YEAH. 670 00:29:51,549 --> 00:29:52,690 SO WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS ON 671 00:29:52,690 --> 00:29:54,890 THERE. 672 00:29:54,890 --> 00:29:56,769 YOU'RE NOT ON THAT? 673 00:29:56,769 --> 00:29:57,369 NO. 674 00:29:57,369 --> 00:30:01,039 HE JUST LET HIM EXPLAIN. 675 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,500 WHO WANTS TO MAKE THE MAP? 676 00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:06,920 IT'S 2019, I THINK. 677 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:07,599 I DON'T KNOW. 678 00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:08,700 THAT? 679 00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:09,200 THAT REASON? 680 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,839 IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. 681 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:14,140 WHAT DO THEY DO? 682 00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:15,539 SIT AROUND AND TALK ABOUT 683 00:30:15,539 --> 00:30:16,299 WHATEVER. 684 00:30:16,299 --> 00:30:17,240 BASIS, SPECIES. 685 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:17,900 I MEAN, THERE'S THINGS YOU 686 00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:18,440 COULD DO. 687 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,740 YOU COULD BE AN ADVISORY BOARD, 688 00:30:19,740 --> 00:30:20,640 ESPECIALLY WITH LIKE FEMA 689 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,940 THINGS GOING ON. 690 00:30:21,940 --> 00:30:22,720 IF YOU'RE WELL ENOUGH TO BE AN 691 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,779 ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN IT, 692 00:30:23,779 --> 00:30:24,819 YOU COULD RESEARCH ALL KINDS OF 693 00:30:24,819 --> 00:30:25,319 THINGS. 694 00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:26,880 ONE ON THE WORLD OF 695 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:27,980 CONSERVATION, YOU KNOW, 696 00:30:27,980 --> 00:30:29,119 ROADSIDE INDASES, 697 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:30,559 WHICH ARE A PROBLEM. 698 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:32,460 THEY WERE ACTIVE WHEN A LOT OF 699 00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:34,619 THE LAND WAS GOING TO BE SOLD 700 00:30:34,619 --> 00:30:36,400 TO NATIONAL FORESTS, TOO. 701 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,740 I MEAN, ANCIENT ROAD SURVEYS 702 00:30:38,740 --> 00:30:39,740 TYPE OF STUFF WOULD HAVE BEEN 703 00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:41,000 ONE OF THE THINGS BACK BEFORE 704 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,480 WE GOT ALL OF THAT. 705 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,539 THAT TYPE OF STUFF. 706 00:30:44,539 --> 00:30:46,640 LAND MANAGEMENT ISSUES. 707 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,119 JUST CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE. 708 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:50,180 THERE'S NO POWER TO IT, REALLY, 709 00:30:50,180 --> 00:30:52,019 OR VOTING CAPACITY OF ANY SENSE. 710 00:30:52,019 --> 00:30:54,680 BUT IT COULD BE MORE ADVISORY. 711 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,839 ALL RIGHT, I'LL DO IT. 712 00:30:57,839 --> 00:30:59,339 THERE YOU GO. 713 00:30:59,339 --> 00:31:00,539 YEAH. 714 00:31:00,539 --> 00:31:01,539 YOU CAN WRITE IT ON THIS. 715 00:31:01,539 --> 00:31:02,740 YOU CAN WRITE IT ON THIS. 716 00:31:02,740 --> 00:31:04,299 THE FIRST THING TO DO 717 00:31:04,299 --> 00:31:05,339 WOULD BE STRUCTURE SOME KIND 718 00:31:05,339 --> 00:31:06,740 OF MEETING. 719 00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:07,740 FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU 720 00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:08,380 NEED TO DO. 721 00:31:08,380 --> 00:31:09,380 WE COULD HAVE THIS STRUCTURE 722 00:31:09,380 --> 00:31:10,380 SOME KIND OF MEETING. 723 00:31:10,380 --> 00:31:11,380 CAN YOU EMAIL IT TOGETHER? 724 00:31:11,380 --> 00:31:14,470 THIS IS FANCY. 725 00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:18,410 CONSERVATION COMMITTEE 726 00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:20,609 PLAYS A CRITICAL ROLE 727 00:31:20,609 --> 00:31:22,650 IN MANY ASPECTS. 728 00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:23,849 I KNOW THAT WE HAD MEETINGS 729 00:31:23,849 --> 00:31:26,089 RIGHT UP TO 2019 BEFORE I WENT 730 00:31:26,089 --> 00:31:27,529 TO THE HOSPITAL. 731 00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:30,250 AFTER THAT, IT KIND OF JUST 732 00:31:30,250 --> 00:31:31,619 BOUGHT. 733 00:31:31,619 --> 00:31:33,019 WE OCCURRED, I BELIEVE, 734 00:31:33,019 --> 00:31:34,400 WE DID A LOT OF WORK WITH 735 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,490 EVASIVE SPECIES, CONTAMINATED 736 00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:39,700 WATER. 737 00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:41,339 WE'LL LOOK BACK AT THE MINUTE 738 00:31:41,339 --> 00:31:43,599 MEETINGS, BUT THE THING IS, 739 00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:45,599 MANY THINGS THAT ARE DONE ARE 740 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:47,140 SUPPOSED TO OPEN CONSERVATION 741 00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:50,859 COMMITTEE CURRENTS. 742 00:31:50,859 --> 00:31:53,190 SO IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT 743 00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:57,029 FUNCTION, MOSTLY IGNORED BECAUSE 744 00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:59,880 SOME PEOPLE SAY, YOU REALLY, 745 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,740 THEY'RE AT THE, WHAT'S THE WORD, 746 00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:05,640 AT THE ENDING OF THE SELECT. 747 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,619 IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN A SELECT 748 00:32:06,619 --> 00:32:08,079 BOARD BONDS HELP ON SOMETHING 749 00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:11,400 AT WORK, THERE WAS THIS THEORY 750 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:11,839 OF SOMEBODY IN THE HOSPITAL 751 00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:14,009 DISTRAUGHT THAT THE SELECT 752 00:32:14,009 --> 00:32:15,009 BOARD NEEDED TO APPROVE THE 753 00:32:15,009 --> 00:32:16,009 MEANINGS AND THAT. 754 00:32:16,009 --> 00:32:18,309 BUT THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. 755 00:32:18,309 --> 00:32:20,250 AND WHEN WE DID HAVE A TEAM 756 00:32:20,250 --> 00:32:24,569 WITH MRS. LOVET AND I CAN'T 757 00:32:24,569 --> 00:32:27,670 REMEMBER, SHEILA, AND WE DID 758 00:32:27,670 --> 00:32:29,470 SOME VERY IMPORTANT WORK 759 00:32:29,470 --> 00:32:31,170 CONTINUING GETTING THESE 760 00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:32,670 EVASIVE SPECIES DOWN. 761 00:32:32,670 --> 00:32:34,910 AND EVEN THOUGH WE HAD SOME OF 762 00:32:34,910 --> 00:32:36,710 THE LIGHTS WE'RE HAVING ON THE 763 00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:39,509 TREES, SOME OF THE INSECTS, 764 00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:42,009 YOU KNOW, AND WE SENT OUT 765 00:32:42,009 --> 00:32:43,650 INFORMATION, WE HAD A LOT OF 766 00:32:43,650 --> 00:32:45,849 INFORMATION ON THAT THING. 767 00:32:45,849 --> 00:32:47,609 SO, I'M SORRY THAT IN 2019 768 00:32:47,609 --> 00:32:49,150 WE THOUGHT SHEILA HAD SET IT 769 00:32:49,150 --> 00:32:51,150 UP. 770 00:32:51,150 --> 00:32:52,990 I HAVE A MEETING APRIL 29TH 771 00:32:52,990 --> 00:32:56,190 AT 7 P.M. FOR CONSERVATION. 772 00:32:56,190 --> 00:32:57,230 APRIL 29TH? 773 00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:59,230 I HAVEN'T GOTTEN EVERYBODY 774 00:32:59,230 --> 00:33:02,529 TO TELL ON THE DATE, BUT I'M 775 00:33:02,529 --> 00:33:04,089 LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW NOW. 776 00:33:04,089 --> 00:33:05,430 APRIL 29TH? 777 00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:07,069 YEP, AT 7 P.M. 778 00:33:07,069 --> 00:33:08,410 IT WOULD BE A GREAT BOARD TO 779 00:33:08,410 --> 00:33:10,410 REVIBE IN SOME CAPACITY. 780 00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:12,009 IT WOULD BE JUST AN EDUCATIONAL 781 00:33:12,009 --> 00:33:12,950 SITUATION. 782 00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:15,950 AND YOU CAN FIND YOUR GUIDELINES 783 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:23,960 ONLINE AND THROUGH VLCT. 784 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,240 YEAH, ESPECIALLY IF YOU 785 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,640 DO THINGS LIKE BUILDING RIVERS. 786 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,500 I MEAN, THE CONSERVATION 787 00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:31,049 COMMITTEE COMES IN AND SAYS, 788 00:33:31,049 --> 00:33:33,150 NO, OUR WINDMILL GOES UP NEAR 789 00:33:33,150 --> 00:33:35,720 OUR VERY SENSITIVE AREA. 790 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,920 IT'S THE CONSERVATION COMMITTEE 791 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,319 THAT GOES UP THE FIRST ALIGNMENT. 792 00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:40,400 THEN IT GOES TO THE PLANET 793 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:41,759 AND THEN IT GOES TO THE PLANETS. 794 00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:43,160 SO, 795 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,299 IT'S A FUNCTIONAL GROUP THAT 796 00:33:45,299 --> 00:33:47,799 HAS IN THREE DISCUSSIONS. 797 00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:49,640 IT'S IMPORTANT TO JUST KNOCK ON 798 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,279 AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOU. 799 00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:53,380 MORE EYES ARE BETTER. 800 00:33:53,380 --> 00:33:55,660 OKAY, DID WE APPOINT MARTHA? 801 00:33:55,660 --> 00:33:57,160 NO, DO YOU WANT TO DO A MOTION? 802 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,559 OR ARE WE PUTTING HER IN 803 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,250 HER FIRST SPOT? 804 00:34:00,250 --> 00:34:02,130 SURE, MOTION. 805 00:34:02,130 --> 00:34:02,849 SECOND. 806 00:34:02,849 --> 00:34:03,750 ALL IN FAVOR? 807 00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:04,549 I AM. 808 00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:05,390 OKAY, AND WE HAVE ONE 809 00:34:05,390 --> 00:34:08,670 VACANT SPOT FOR JESS. 810 00:34:08,670 --> 00:34:09,670 MOVING DOWN TO GROWTH 811 00:34:09,670 --> 00:34:10,969 COMMISSIONER DAVE TATRE. 812 00:34:10,969 --> 00:34:14,150 SORRY WE DIDN'T APPOINT YOU LAST 813 00:34:14,150 --> 00:34:16,449 EVENING, BUT YOU'VE BEEN 814 00:34:16,449 --> 00:34:19,969 ACTIVELY REQUESTING YOURSELF. 815 00:34:19,969 --> 00:34:21,510 ANYBODY ELSE WANT IT? 816 00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:23,489 THE LETTERS? 817 00:34:23,489 --> 00:34:25,230 HE WANTS IT. 818 00:34:25,230 --> 00:34:26,429 ALL THESE PEOPLE 819 00:34:26,429 --> 00:34:27,829 COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ROADS, 820 00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:29,070 AND NOBODY WANTS IT. 821 00:34:29,070 --> 00:34:30,679 ALL RIGHT. 822 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:31,920 MAKE A MOTION. 823 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,679 MOTION COVERED, I QUIT. 824 00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,070 ALL IN FAVOR? 825 00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:37,030 THREE FOR WARDEN, 826 00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:39,610 THREE FOR NIPSON. 827 00:34:39,610 --> 00:34:43,309 I DON'T HAVE ANY RESPONSE. 828 00:34:43,309 --> 00:34:43,909 THIS IS WHY WE JUST 829 00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:50,579 SUPPORT PEOPLE WITHOUT ASKING. 830 00:34:50,579 --> 00:34:51,380 BENETTON COUNTY 831 00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:52,860 REGIONAL COMMISSION. 832 00:34:52,860 --> 00:34:54,559 DEB RACHARD AND DAN POPPIN, 833 00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:57,110 THEIR TURN IS UP. 834 00:34:57,110 --> 00:34:58,610 AM I ABLE TO STILL DO IT, 835 00:34:58,610 --> 00:35:00,550 BUT NOT BEING ON THE 836 00:35:00,550 --> 00:35:03,000 PLANNING COMMISSION ANYMORE? 837 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:03,900 YEAH. 838 00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:04,539 I THINK SO. 839 00:35:04,539 --> 00:35:05,440 WE'VE HAD THEM BEFORE. 840 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,639 OKAY. 841 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:07,880 I REFER TO STAY, BECAUSE 842 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,289 THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN AS IMPORTANT. 843 00:35:10,289 --> 00:35:12,110 OKAY. 844 00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:12,829 NO OFFERING 845 00:35:12,829 --> 00:35:13,510 TO TRUSH THEM DOWN? 846 00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:15,010 NO, WE'RE TRUSHING THEM DOWN. 847 00:35:15,010 --> 00:35:18,150 OKAY. 848 00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:18,949 YEAH, THEY USUALLY 849 00:35:18,949 --> 00:35:19,849 WOULD LIKE TWO PEOPLE 850 00:35:19,849 --> 00:35:22,019 FROM THE TOWN, BUT YOU'VE BEEN 851 00:35:22,019 --> 00:35:23,320 SHUTTING UP, SO THAT'S GOOD. 852 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,320 YEAH, I'LL GO GET 853 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,659 EVERYTHING THAT KEN HAS TO BE 854 00:35:25,659 --> 00:35:26,059 IN THIS ONE. 855 00:35:26,059 --> 00:35:27,050 OKAY. 856 00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:28,409 MOTION FOR DEB RACHARD 857 00:35:28,409 --> 00:35:30,679 FOR THE DUTCH COUNTY 858 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:31,579 REGIONAL COMMISSION. 859 00:35:31,579 --> 00:35:33,039 MOTION. 860 00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:33,940 SAMUEL, YOUR SECOND. 861 00:35:33,940 --> 00:35:34,599 FAVOR? 862 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:35,300 SURE. 863 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:37,639 OKAY, GREEN UPDATE 864 00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:41,500 COORDINATOR, YOU HAVE SOMETHING 865 00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:43,639 FROM MARIA AND KYLE. 866 00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:44,239 RYAN? 867 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,280 YEAH, I ALSO HAVE 868 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:51,920 THAT ONE. 869 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,460 I DIDN'T KNOW MY NEIGHBOR 870 00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:54,920 WAS GOING TO DO IT, TOO. 871 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,360 I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY 872 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,820 FOR ME TO JUST, HE KNOWS 873 00:35:57,820 --> 00:35:59,659 THE AREA BETTER. 874 00:35:59,659 --> 00:36:01,260 HE'S BEEN HERE LONGER THAN ME, 875 00:36:01,260 --> 00:36:02,300 SO I WOULD LIKE FOR HIM TO 876 00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:03,539 JUST TELL ME ABOUT IT. 877 00:36:03,539 --> 00:36:05,000 GIVE IT TO HIM. 878 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,340 TEAMS. 879 00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:07,800 YEAH, HE HELPED YOU. 880 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:08,840 YEAH, HE HELPED YOU. 881 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,239 LET'S DO TEAMS. 882 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,280 YEAH. 883 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,079 SO, THEY ALL WANT 884 00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:13,940 WORKING ON THAT. 885 00:36:13,940 --> 00:36:14,780 ARE YOU SURE? 886 00:36:14,780 --> 00:36:17,480 YEAH, WELL, HOW ABOUT 887 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,380 JUST A .1 COORDINATOR, 888 00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:21,159 AND THEN YOU ALL WORK 889 00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:21,960 WITH A COORDINATOR. 890 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,760 YOU WANT TO BE 891 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:23,360 A COORDINATOR? 892 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:23,980 SURE. 893 00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:24,780 SO, I'LL MAKE A MOTION 894 00:36:24,780 --> 00:36:28,179 WE MAKE BRIAN THE COORDINATOR. 895 00:36:28,179 --> 00:36:29,019 IS THAT OKAY? 896 00:36:29,019 --> 00:36:29,820 IS THAT A DUAL? 897 00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:30,760 THAT'S A DUAL SPOT? 898 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,260 WE BOTH GET UP MARIA AND 899 00:36:32,260 --> 00:36:33,059 BRIAN? 900 00:36:33,059 --> 00:36:37,360 I SUGGESTED JUST ONE, 901 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,119 AND THEN THEY WORK WITH BRIAN. 902 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:41,420 ALL RIGHT, YES, I CAN BRING 903 00:36:41,420 --> 00:36:43,000 IN. 904 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,000 ALL IN FAVOR? 905 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:52,789 AYE. 906 00:36:52,789 --> 00:36:54,030 AND WE HAVE A VACANCY ON 907 00:36:54,030 --> 00:36:57,610 THE COMMUNITY PROJECTS COMMITTEE. 908 00:36:57,610 --> 00:37:00,440 THANK YOU. 909 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,780 SO, IF YOU COULD PUT ALL 910 00:37:01,780 --> 00:37:03,480 THESE VACANCIES IN THE MINUTES, 911 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,789 LORI, AND DEAL WITH THEM 912 00:37:08,789 --> 00:37:11,539 AS THEY COME IN. 913 00:37:11,539 --> 00:37:12,599 WE HAVE ONE MORE 914 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:14,099 WHILE YOU'RE AT IT. 915 00:37:14,099 --> 00:37:15,480 YES. 916 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,079 THE DB5 ORDER. 917 00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:19,380 OH, DB5, YES. 918 00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:21,679 YOU HAD APPOINTED BOB BRiggs 919 00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:22,880 AND BILL LAVINE, BUT THERE WAS 920 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,760 A QUESTION OF IF C.J. BADNESS 921 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:25,760 WANTED TO. 922 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,460 OH, RIGHT. 923 00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:27,159 AND I SENT HIM A LETTER. 924 00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:28,059 I DIDN'T GIVE ANY OF IT. 925 00:37:28,059 --> 00:37:29,619 I DISCUSSED IT WITH HIM. 926 00:37:29,619 --> 00:37:30,820 HE IS NOT INTERESTED AT THIS 927 00:37:30,820 --> 00:37:31,500 POINT. 928 00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:32,159 OKAY. 929 00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:33,159 SO, JUST THE ONE 930 00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:34,300 ALTERNATE. 931 00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:35,099 OKAY. 932 00:37:35,099 --> 00:37:35,760 SO, IF YOU FILL THE 933 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,840 PAPERWORK OUT FOR THAT, 934 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,539 AND SEND THAT IN. 935 00:37:39,539 --> 00:37:49,719 AND DISAPPOINTMENTS. 936 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,320 HEARING RECEIVED AND DONE. 937 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,619 READING AND APPROVAL OF RECORDS 938 00:37:52,619 --> 00:37:55,780 AND ORDERS OF MARCH 7. 939 00:37:55,780 --> 00:37:57,420 C.J. TO APPROVE. 940 00:37:57,420 --> 00:37:59,320 SECOND. 941 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,480 ALL IN FAVOR? 942 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,789 ALL AYE. 943 00:38:02,789 --> 00:38:04,989 DAY, GROWTH, CONDITIONS. 944 00:38:04,989 --> 00:38:07,449 OH, IT'S MARCH. 945 00:38:07,449 --> 00:38:08,190 I THINK IT'S BEEN MARCH 946 00:38:08,190 --> 00:38:10,150 SINCE NOVEMBER. 947 00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:11,489 I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY WELL 948 00:38:11,489 --> 00:38:14,130 HAD IT WITH THIS, AND LOOKING 949 00:38:14,130 --> 00:38:15,289 FORWARD TO THE DAY WHEN I CAN 950 00:38:15,289 --> 00:38:17,159 GET OUT OF THE GRADER. 951 00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:19,219 THIS WAS WHAT REALLY PUT US 952 00:38:19,219 --> 00:38:20,199 BEHIND. 953 00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:21,000 WELL, WE ONLY GOT TO CALL 954 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,860 THE PROBLEM EXPORTS ON THAT. 955 00:38:22,860 --> 00:38:24,639 YEAH, NO, THAT'S A MINIMAL. 956 00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:25,840 I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, YEAH, 957 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,699 I'M JUST LOOKING TO GET OUT 958 00:38:26,699 --> 00:38:27,539 OF THE GRADER. 959 00:38:27,539 --> 00:38:28,480 SO, HOW DO YOU MAKE OUT 960 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,880 PLOWING WITH THE ROADS BEING 961 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,219 SOFT? 962 00:38:32,219 --> 00:38:33,179 I'M PRETTY MUCH A 963 00:38:33,179 --> 00:38:34,320 PROFESSIONAL AT THAT AT THIS 964 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,119 POINT. 965 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,449 I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS. 966 00:38:38,449 --> 00:38:39,889 THE PLOWS THAT I BUY FOR THE 967 00:38:39,889 --> 00:38:41,690 TRUCKS CAN HANDLE THAT FOR THE 968 00:38:41,690 --> 00:38:42,530 MOST PART. 969 00:38:42,530 --> 00:38:43,789 I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO GO SLOWER 970 00:38:43,789 --> 00:38:44,789 AND YOU HAVE TO KIND OF FLOAT 971 00:38:44,789 --> 00:38:46,670 THE PLOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT LIKE 972 00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:47,869 THE, YOU KNOW, THE PLOWS. 973 00:38:47,869 --> 00:38:48,570 BUT YOU'RE STILL ABLE TO 974 00:38:48,570 --> 00:38:49,670 GET OUT AND MAINTAIN THE ROADS? 975 00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:53,070 YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT 976 00:38:53,070 --> 00:38:54,469 TAKES... 977 00:38:54,469 --> 00:38:55,489 I KNOW REED FLOATER HAS 978 00:38:55,489 --> 00:38:56,869 AN ISSUE, THEY WERE WONDERING 979 00:38:56,869 --> 00:38:57,670 WHEN PEOPLE WERE GOING TO 980 00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:58,329 PLOW. 981 00:38:58,329 --> 00:38:59,710 YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, 982 00:38:59,710 --> 00:39:01,809 OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T PLOW AS MANY 983 00:39:01,809 --> 00:39:04,050 TIMES AS I WOULD HAVE IF, YOU 984 00:39:04,050 --> 00:39:05,550 KNOW, IT WAS IDEAL CONDITIONS. 985 00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:06,449 YOU GOT TO KIND OF... 986 00:39:06,449 --> 00:39:07,010 WELL, WE DIDN'T HEAR 987 00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:07,809 ANY COMPLAINTS, SO YOU'RE 988 00:39:07,809 --> 00:39:08,789 HONESTLY DOING A GOOD JOB. 989 00:39:08,789 --> 00:39:11,480 WE DO OUR BEST. 990 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,880 OBVIOUSLY THE CONDITIONS A LOT 991 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,280 OF TIMES DO, YOU KNOW, POSE SOME 992 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,820 ISSUE FOR US, BUT WE ALWAYS 993 00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:19,239 MANAGE TO GET THE JOB DONE. 994 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,179 SO, MIKE AND I HAVE BOTH BEEN 995 00:39:21,179 --> 00:39:23,079 AT THIS FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. 996 00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:24,159 WELL, WE APPRECIATE YOUR 997 00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:25,960 DUE DILIGENCE IN THE MATTER. 998 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:26,659 THANK YOU. 999 00:39:26,659 --> 00:39:29,659 THANK YOU. 1000 00:39:29,659 --> 00:39:33,260 OKAY, I ALSO HAVE A QUOTE FOR 1001 00:39:33,260 --> 00:39:35,800 A LOADER I WAS ABLE TO FIND A 1002 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,059 LOADER THAT I'M VERY INTERESTED 1003 00:39:37,059 --> 00:39:38,860 IN. 1004 00:39:38,860 --> 00:39:39,940 IT'S ACTUALLY LOCAL. 1005 00:39:39,940 --> 00:39:42,070 IT'S IN PITTSFIELD. 1006 00:39:42,070 --> 00:39:43,730 THE GUY PUT TOGETHER A DEAL. 1007 00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:44,929 HE'S ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN 1008 00:39:44,929 --> 00:39:46,670 TAKING OURS IN A TRADE. 1009 00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:47,510 YOU GO LOOK AT IT? 1010 00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:48,630 I'VE LOOKED AT IT. 1011 00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:50,170 I'VE LOOKED AT A FEW LOADERS 1012 00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:52,269 NOW, AND THE ISSUE THAT I'M 1013 00:39:52,269 --> 00:39:53,909 HAVING IS THE RUST ON A LOT OF 1014 00:39:53,909 --> 00:39:55,710 THEM. 1015 00:39:55,710 --> 00:39:56,949 THEY'VE BEEN USED A LOT OF 1016 00:39:56,949 --> 00:39:58,349 THESE NEW MACHINES BECAUSE 1017 00:39:58,349 --> 00:40:00,800 THEY'RE SO EXPENSIVE. 1018 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,900 A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T NEED THEM 1019 00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:03,239 ALL YEAR. 1020 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,380 A LOT OF PEOPLE DO WINTER, SO 1021 00:40:04,380 --> 00:40:05,980 THEY RENT THEM IN THE WINTER. 1022 00:40:05,980 --> 00:40:08,239 SO THEY GET A LOT OF WINTER USE 1023 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,739 AND THEY TEND TO BE PRETTY 1024 00:40:09,739 --> 00:40:10,920 RUSTED OUT. 1025 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,739 I WENT AND LOOKED AT A COUPLE 1026 00:40:12,739 --> 00:40:14,519 THAT I THOUGHT WERE PROMISING 1027 00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:16,059 THAT REALLY TURNED OUT TO BE 1028 00:40:16,059 --> 00:40:17,980 ROTTED RIGHT OUT AND STILL 1029 00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:20,019 WANTED A LOT OF MONEY FOR THEM. 1030 00:40:20,019 --> 00:40:21,460 THIS ONE HERE IS IN VERY GOOD 1031 00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:22,300 SHAPE. 1032 00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:24,500 THERE'S ACTUALLY A PHOTO. 1033 00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:26,900 AND HERE'S THE COAL ON THE 1034 00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:27,300 DEAL. 1035 00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:28,800 WHAT YEAR IS THIS ONE? 1036 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,400 IT'S A 2017. 1037 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,699 WHAT'S THE ONE WE HAVE 1038 00:40:31,699 --> 00:40:32,239 NOW? 1039 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,039 1990. 1040 00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:35,199 WHAT DOES IT WANT TO DO 1041 00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:36,780 FOR THE USED ONE? 1042 00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:40,679 10,000, WHICH I FEEL IS KIND OF 1043 00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:44,110 A BLESSING IN A WAY BECAUSE IT'S 1044 00:40:44,110 --> 00:40:45,110 MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHOW 1045 00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:47,389 ANYBODY, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY 1046 00:40:47,389 --> 00:40:48,989 SEEN ITS BEST DAY A LONG TIME 1047 00:40:48,989 --> 00:40:50,489 AGO. 1048 00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:51,489 HOW MANY HOURS DO YOU KNOW 1049 00:40:51,489 --> 00:40:54,099 OF THEM? 1050 00:40:54,099 --> 00:40:55,059 ON THE METER OR ON THE 1051 00:40:55,059 --> 00:40:56,360 MACHINE? 1052 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,559 I MEAN, THE METER IS READING 1053 00:40:57,559 --> 00:40:58,099 SOMEWHERE AROUND 30,000. 1054 00:40:58,099 --> 00:41:02,300 13,000, BUT IT WAS REPLACED. 1055 00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:04,300 IT HAD 6,000 OR 7,000 HOURS ON 1056 00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:05,280 IT, AND THEY REPLACED THE 1057 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,780 ENGINE AND THAT, SO IT'S 1058 00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:07,880 PROBABLY GOT SOMEWHERE AROUND 1059 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,719 20,000 HOURS ON THAT LOADER. 1060 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,019 IF IT'S ANGRY AND DIDN'T STOP 1061 00:41:14,019 --> 00:41:15,079 WORKING, I MEAN, I HAVEN'T 1062 00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:16,679 WORKED HERE THE WHOLE TIME IT'S 1063 00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:18,659 HERE, SO I MEAN, IT COULD HAVE 1064 00:41:18,659 --> 00:41:21,260 DEFINITELY NOT EVEN WORKED AT 1065 00:41:21,260 --> 00:41:21,860 SOME POINT. 1066 00:41:21,860 --> 00:41:23,429 I DON'T KNOW. 1067 00:41:23,429 --> 00:41:24,829 BUT YOU FIGURE IT OUT HOW MANY 1068 00:41:24,829 --> 00:41:27,300 YEARS THAT IS, AND IT'S PROBABLY 1069 00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:29,099 RAN EVERY DAY OF ITS LIFE AND 1070 00:41:29,099 --> 00:41:29,800 THE WHERE TIME. 1071 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,500 DO YOU FEEL THE NEW ONE WITH 1072 00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:36,429 6,000 HOURS ON IT IS FAIR MARKET 1073 00:41:36,429 --> 00:41:38,050 VALUE FOR WHAT HE'S ASKING? 1074 00:41:38,050 --> 00:41:40,190 YEAH, I LOOKED ONLINE AND I 1075 00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:42,489 FOUND THE EXACT SAME YEAR WITH 1076 00:41:42,489 --> 00:41:44,429 5,900 HOURS, AND THEY WANTED 1077 00:41:44,429 --> 00:41:45,829 140 FOR IT. 1078 00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:48,030 SO I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD 1079 00:41:48,030 --> 00:41:49,510 FAIR DEAL. 1080 00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:51,010 THERE'S A FEW ON THERE. 1081 00:41:51,010 --> 00:41:52,309 I LOOKED AT ONE IN ALBANY ON 1082 00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:54,409 MONDAY, IT'S A 2015 WITH THE 1083 00:41:54,409 --> 00:41:56,110 SAME HOURS, AND IT WAS 1084 00:41:56,110 --> 00:41:57,469 COMPLETELY ROTTED, AND THEY 1085 00:41:57,469 --> 00:41:58,650 WANTED 91. 1086 00:41:58,650 --> 00:41:59,710 ALL I CAN SAY IS IF YOU 1087 00:41:59,710 --> 00:42:00,250 GO BUY, LIKE... 1088 00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:03,489 LIKE A NEW ONE-TON, THE ONE 1089 00:42:03,489 --> 00:42:06,530 TONS COST $90,000, SO IF YOU'RE 1090 00:42:06,530 --> 00:42:07,429 GOING TO BUY A PIECE OF 1091 00:42:07,429 --> 00:42:09,989 EQUIPMENT THAT'S 104 OR 1092 00:42:09,989 --> 00:42:13,449 WHATEVER, PROBABLY WORTH WHAT 1093 00:42:13,449 --> 00:42:15,050 HE'S ASKING, I MEAN. 1094 00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:16,590 I REALLY THINK THIS ONE'S 1095 00:42:16,590 --> 00:42:17,489 IN GOOD SHAPE. 1096 00:42:17,489 --> 00:42:20,070 I LOOKED IT OVER, WE TRIED IT. 1097 00:42:20,070 --> 00:42:21,789 LIKE I SAID, IF YOU'RE BUYING A 1098 00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:23,030 USED PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, THERE'S 1099 00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:23,969 NO WARRANTY. 1100 00:42:23,969 --> 00:42:26,050 I MEAN, I DON'T WANT A CRYSTAL 1101 00:42:26,050 --> 00:42:27,690 BALL, BUT LOOKING AT WHAT'S 1102 00:42:27,690 --> 00:42:30,889 OUT THERE, LOOKING AT WHAT'S OUT 1103 00:42:30,889 --> 00:42:32,130 THERE, I'VE GONE AND LOOKED AT 1104 00:42:32,130 --> 00:42:33,289 A FEW OF THEM. 1105 00:42:33,289 --> 00:42:35,630 I SPENT A BUNCH OF TIME ONLINE 1106 00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:37,590 TRYING TO RESEARCH ANYTHING IN 1107 00:42:37,590 --> 00:42:39,429 THE NORTHEAST THAT WOULD HAVE 1108 00:42:39,429 --> 00:42:41,030 BEEN WORTH GOING TO LOOK AT, AND 1109 00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:44,030 MOST OF THEM ARE PRETTY ROTTED. 1110 00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:45,030 THE REAL ISSUE IS YOU 1111 00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:46,070 WON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'VE GOT UNTIL 1112 00:42:46,070 --> 00:42:47,210 YOU GET IT, YOU KNOW? 1113 00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:49,070 YOU START BURNING IT, AND... 1114 00:42:49,070 --> 00:42:51,969 DO THEY GIVE YOU ANY 1115 00:42:51,969 --> 00:42:52,909 WARRANTY, LIKE... 1116 00:42:52,909 --> 00:42:55,250 THERE'S NO WARRANTY. 1117 00:42:55,250 --> 00:42:56,309 NO, IF YOU WANT A WARRANTY, 1118 00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:57,190 YOU'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH ABOUT 1119 00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:58,750 $260,000. 1120 00:42:58,750 --> 00:43:00,590 RIGHT, YEAH. 1121 00:43:00,590 --> 00:43:00,889 FOR THAT? 1122 00:43:00,889 --> 00:43:02,829 WELL, WE HAVE, WE ALREADY 1123 00:43:02,829 --> 00:43:04,230 HAVE MONEY FROM LAST YEAR FOR 1124 00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:05,269 THIS, TOO. 1125 00:43:05,269 --> 00:43:06,070 WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY 1126 00:43:06,070 --> 00:43:07,929 FOR THAT, YEAH. 1127 00:43:07,929 --> 00:43:11,829 WE HAVE $100,000 TO USE. 1128 00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:12,610 THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE, 1129 00:43:12,610 --> 00:43:13,369 TOO, THAT YOU BROUGHT UP LAST 1130 00:43:13,369 --> 00:43:14,730 MEETING, THAT THERE'S MONEY TO 1131 00:43:14,730 --> 00:43:16,170 BE USED TO BE ABLE TO USE IT 1132 00:43:16,170 --> 00:43:17,769 FOR SOMETHING, AND YOU BROUGHT 1133 00:43:17,769 --> 00:43:20,650 UP, LIKE, FIXING THE ROOF. 1134 00:43:20,650 --> 00:43:22,750 THAT WAS OUR MONEY. 1135 00:43:22,750 --> 00:43:23,409 COULD THAT BE USED FOR THE 1136 00:43:23,409 --> 00:43:28,119 LOWER TOO, OR NO? 1137 00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:29,480 INFRASTRUCTURE. 1138 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,079 REALLY WEIRD INFRASTRUCTURE 1139 00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:31,719 RATHER THAN HOME. 1140 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,619 THAT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING. 1141 00:43:33,619 --> 00:43:34,420 IT WOULD MAKE YOU MAKE 1142 00:43:34,420 --> 00:43:35,219 THAT ARGUMENT, I GUESS, 1143 00:43:35,219 --> 00:43:37,159 AND STRETCH. 1144 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:38,260 I THINK THAT RESTRUCTURE 1145 00:43:38,260 --> 00:43:39,300 IS WHAT MAKES IT. 1146 00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:40,099 THAT MACHINE, YOU'RE GOING TO 1147 00:43:40,099 --> 00:43:42,300 GET OVER 20,000 HOURS OUT OF. 1148 00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:43,099 I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE GOING 1149 00:43:43,099 --> 00:43:43,840 TO HAVE MAINTENANCE AND 1150 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:44,440 REPAIR. 1151 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:45,260 THAT'S SOMETHING YOU USE 1152 00:43:45,260 --> 00:43:46,139 EVERY DAY, RIGHT? 1153 00:43:46,139 --> 00:43:47,199 YEAH. 1154 00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:48,440 IN THE WINTER TIME, IT'S USED 1155 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,440 EVERY DAY. 1156 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,699 IS THIS THE SAME SIZE AS 1157 00:43:50,699 --> 00:43:51,340 WHAT WE HAVE? 1158 00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:52,239 IT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. 1159 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,940 WE HAVE A 26,000-POUND MACHINE. 1160 00:43:54,940 --> 00:43:56,539 THAT'S A 29. 1161 00:43:56,539 --> 00:43:59,099 THE BUCKET WE HAVE IS A 2.3 1162 00:43:59,099 --> 00:44:02,519 YARD, AND THAT'S A 3. 1163 00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:06,230 WE HAVE ABOUT 100. 1164 00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:07,630 IT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER 1165 00:44:07,630 --> 00:44:10,869 MACHINE THAN WE HAVE CURRENTLY, 1166 00:44:10,869 --> 00:44:13,150 WHICH ISN'T REALLY ANYTHING. 1167 00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:14,050 THESE GUYS SELL A LOT 1168 00:44:14,050 --> 00:44:14,690 OF EQUIPMENT. 1169 00:44:14,690 --> 00:44:15,389 YEAH. 1170 00:44:15,389 --> 00:44:16,190 THEY DON'T SELL JUMP. 1171 00:44:16,190 --> 00:44:17,530 WE BOUGHT OUR ESCAPATOR 1172 00:44:17,530 --> 00:44:18,949 FROM THEM, AND IT'S BEEN 1173 00:44:18,949 --> 00:44:21,309 GREAT. 1174 00:44:21,309 --> 00:44:25,010 THEY'VE GONE THROUGH IT. 1175 00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:26,050 THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH IT. 1176 00:44:26,050 --> 00:44:27,150 THEY SERVICED IT. 1177 00:44:27,150 --> 00:44:28,250 I BOUGHT STUFF FROM THEM. 1178 00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:28,550 I MEAN, IT'S SUPER 1179 00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:29,150 CLEAN. 1180 00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:30,190 I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BRING 1181 00:44:30,190 --> 00:44:31,590 ANYONE OF YOUS DOWN TO LOOK AT 1182 00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:32,190 IT. 1183 00:44:32,190 --> 00:44:32,789 I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE 1184 00:44:32,789 --> 00:44:33,429 IMPRESSED. 1185 00:44:33,429 --> 00:44:34,050 YOU'RE COMFORTABLE. 1186 00:44:34,050 --> 00:44:34,750 I'M COMFORTABLE. 1187 00:44:34,750 --> 00:44:38,210 YEAH, I'LL FOLLOW YOU. 1188 00:44:38,210 --> 00:44:39,210 PLUS, THEY HAVE A GREAT 1189 00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:40,289 SERVICE DEPARTMENT. 1190 00:44:40,289 --> 00:44:41,050 YEAH. 1191 00:44:41,050 --> 00:44:43,849 THEY COME PICK IT UP. 1192 00:44:43,849 --> 00:44:45,650 I MEAN, THEY ACTUALLY, 1193 00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:46,929 WITH OUR ESCAPATOR, BECAUSE WE 1194 00:44:46,929 --> 00:44:48,250 BOUGHT IT THERE, I HAD AN ISSUE 1195 00:44:48,250 --> 00:44:49,989 WITH IT, AND I CALLED THEM, AND 1196 00:44:49,989 --> 00:44:52,530 THEY WALKED ME THROUGH THE 1197 00:44:52,530 --> 00:44:53,769 REPAIR ON IT. 1198 00:44:53,769 --> 00:44:55,369 YEP. 1199 00:44:55,369 --> 00:44:56,730 THAT'S WORTH IT RIGHT THERE. 1200 00:44:56,730 --> 00:44:57,869 THAT'S WORTH MONEY. 1201 00:44:57,869 --> 00:44:58,630 WHAT IS IT, NICK? 1202 00:44:58,969 --> 00:45:00,929 WHAT'S THE TRADE IN? 1203 00:45:00,929 --> 00:45:04,239 94.9. 1204 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,039 LET'S DO IT. 1205 00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:06,239 94 WHAT, 9? 1206 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:06,860 YEAH. 1207 00:45:06,860 --> 00:45:07,739 DO WE HAVE THAT MODS THERE? 1208 00:45:07,739 --> 00:45:08,340 DO IT. 1209 00:45:08,340 --> 00:45:08,940 MOTION. 1210 00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:09,440 MOTION. 1211 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,239 YEAH, WE SHOULD GO THERE, 1212 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:10,940 YEAH. 1213 00:45:10,940 --> 00:45:12,380 MOTION. 1214 00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:13,539 ALL RIGHT. 1215 00:45:13,539 --> 00:45:14,159 SECOND. 1216 00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:14,900 APPRECIATE IT. 1217 00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:15,699 SECOND. 1218 00:45:15,699 --> 00:45:16,599 THIRD. 1219 00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:17,500 ALL IN FAVOR? 1220 00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:23,409 AYE. 1221 00:45:23,409 --> 00:45:25,250 WHEN WILL THEY DELIVER IT AND 1222 00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:27,739 TAKE THE OLD ONE, OR? 1223 00:45:27,739 --> 00:45:28,739 I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO TAKE 1224 00:45:28,739 --> 00:45:30,239 A COUPLE DAYS FOR THOSE. 1225 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,639 AS SOON AS THE MONEY CLEARS. 1226 00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:32,480 EXACTLY. 1227 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,880 YEAH. 1228 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,119 I MEAN, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE 1229 00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:35,719 WEEKS, WE'LL SEE. 1230 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:36,380 OKAY. 1231 00:45:36,380 --> 00:45:39,559 ANYWAYS. 1232 00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:42,230 WHAT ELSE, DAVE, UNDER 1233 00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:44,300 ROADS? 1234 00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:47,780 WELL, WE APPLIED FOR EAST 1235 00:45:47,780 --> 00:45:50,510 ROAD. 1236 00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:51,369 IS THAT THE CLASS TWO 1237 00:45:51,369 --> 00:45:53,150 ROADWAY PROGRAM? 1238 00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:53,849 YEAH. 1239 00:45:53,849 --> 00:45:55,989 I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WE'LL 1240 00:45:55,989 --> 00:45:59,079 GET IT, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT. 1241 00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:00,280 WE'LL KEEP TRYING THERE, AND 1242 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,610 I'LL SEE IF IT COMES IN. 1243 00:46:04,610 --> 00:46:05,750 DID YOU DO A CHIP SEAL 1244 00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:06,550 EVERY YEAR? 1245 00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:09,090 NO, WE TYPICALLY DO A, THE 1246 00:46:09,090 --> 00:46:10,650 ROADS GET DONE ABOUT EVERY 10 1247 00:46:10,650 --> 00:46:11,989 TO 7-5, THAT WAY YOU WOULD 1248 00:46:11,989 --> 00:46:12,489 PRODUCE IT. 1249 00:46:12,489 --> 00:46:13,429 STAFF, ALL RIGHT. 1250 00:46:13,429 --> 00:46:16,170 NOTHING THIS YEAR? 1251 00:46:16,170 --> 00:46:16,809 NO. 1252 00:46:16,809 --> 00:46:19,610 NO, ONCE THE LOAN IS PAID, THEN 1253 00:46:19,610 --> 00:46:20,809 WE JUST TAKE ANOTHER ONE AND DO 1254 00:46:20,809 --> 00:46:25,139 ANOTHER PROJECT. 1255 00:46:25,139 --> 00:46:26,599 IT'S USUALLY ABOUT HALF OF OUR 1256 00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:28,599 PAID MILES THAT WE GET DONE WITH 1257 00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:30,340 THE MONEY THAT WE SPEND. 1258 00:46:30,340 --> 00:46:32,179 AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP UP 1259 00:46:32,179 --> 00:46:34,179 WITH IT, I THINK, PRETTY GOOD. 1260 00:46:34,179 --> 00:46:35,480 WE'VE HAD SOME GRANTS HERE AND 1261 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,079 THERE THAT HELPED OUT, BUT I 1262 00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:39,619 THINK FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK 1263 00:46:39,619 --> 00:46:42,219 IT'S A VERY ECONOMICAL WAY TO 1264 00:46:42,219 --> 00:46:44,179 MAINTAIN OUR ROADS, AND I THINK 1265 00:46:44,179 --> 00:46:45,480 THEY'RE BETTER THAN A LOT OF 1266 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:45,960 THEM ARE. 1267 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:46,960 THEY'RE BETTER THAN OUR 1268 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:47,989 NEIGHBOR. 1269 00:46:47,989 --> 00:46:49,489 YEAH, SO IT WORKS. 1270 00:46:49,489 --> 00:46:50,989 I MEAN, IT'S MESSY WHEN WE DO IT, 1271 00:46:50,989 --> 00:46:51,989 FOR SURE. 1272 00:46:51,989 --> 00:46:54,219 YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE NICEST 1273 00:46:54,219 --> 00:46:55,219 THING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH FOR A 1274 00:46:55,219 --> 00:46:57,360 COUPLE OF WEEKS, BUT IT'S A LOT 1275 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,360 CHEAPER. 1276 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,360 I MEAN, IT'S ABOUT SIX TIMES THE 1277 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,360 COST TO ACTUALLY PAVE INSTEAD OF 1278 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,360 JUST SHIM AND CHIP SEAL, SO WE 1279 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,679 COULDN'T AFFORD IT. 1280 00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:07,679 WOULD IT BE WORTH LOOKING INTO 1281 00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:10,679 BUYING PAID OR DOWN THE ROAD? 1282 00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:13,000 PROBABLY IF YOU CAN'T EVEN GET 1283 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,000 THE BLACK SHOT, YOU GOT TRAPPED. 1284 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,500 IN MY EXPERIENCE, YEAH, YOU'RE 1285 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:17,500 RIGHT ON THAT. 1286 00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:18,500 DIDN'T CLARKSBOROUGH BUY 1287 00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:19,500 ONE? 1288 00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:20,500 THEY HAVE A HOT POT. 1289 00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:21,500 YEAH. 1290 00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:22,500 ACTUALLY, I THINK THE 1291 00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:24,500 TOWN OF ADAMS JUST PURCHASED A 1292 00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:25,500 PAVING, AND I CAN'T QUITE 1293 00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:26,500 UNDERSTAND, UNLESS THEY'RE GOING 1294 00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:29,519 TO DO SMALL, LIKE, SHIM JOBS, 1295 00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:31,519 BECAUSE IT TAKES LONGER TO GET 1296 00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:33,590 IT THAN IT DOES TO PUT IT DOWN. 1297 00:47:33,590 --> 00:47:35,590 ALL-STATE ASPHALTS WILL COME 1298 00:47:35,590 --> 00:47:37,590 PUT IT DOWN CHEAPER THAN I CAN 1299 00:47:37,590 --> 00:47:38,590 BUY IT. 1300 00:47:38,590 --> 00:47:39,590 YEAH. 1301 00:47:39,590 --> 00:47:40,590 IF I GO TO THE ASPHALT 1302 00:47:40,590 --> 00:47:42,590 PLANT TO BUY IT, IT WILL COST 1303 00:47:42,590 --> 00:47:43,590 MORE A TON THAN THEY'LL COME AND 1304 00:47:43,590 --> 00:47:44,590 PUT IT DOWN FOR. 1305 00:47:44,590 --> 00:47:45,590 RIGHT. 1306 00:47:45,590 --> 00:47:46,570 SO, FOR... 1307 00:47:46,570 --> 00:47:48,570 AND THAT'S THEM DRUCKING IT, 1308 00:47:48,570 --> 00:47:50,570 THEM WITH ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND 1309 00:47:50,570 --> 00:47:51,599 THE MAN POWER. 1310 00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:52,599 YEAH. 1311 00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:53,599 YOU KNOW. 1312 00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:54,760 THAT'S GREAT. 1313 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:55,760 YEAH. 1314 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:56,760 WELL, I THINK IT'S JUST 1315 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:57,760 BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A LARGE 1316 00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:58,780 AMOUNT, AND ALL THEY'RE ABLE TO... 1317 00:47:58,780 --> 00:47:59,780 RIGHT. 1318 00:47:59,780 --> 00:48:00,780 TO DO IT. 1319 00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:01,780 YEAH. 1320 00:48:01,780 --> 00:48:03,780 I MEAN, EVEN WHEN WE HAD THE 1321 00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:05,780 SCHOOL PARKING LOT DONE, THE 1322 00:48:05,780 --> 00:48:07,780 PERSON THAT GOT THE BID SUBBED IT 1323 00:48:07,780 --> 00:48:09,780 OUT TO, AFTER THEY DID ALL THE 1324 00:48:09,780 --> 00:48:11,780 PREP WORK, THEY SUBBED IT OUT TO 1325 00:48:11,780 --> 00:48:13,780 ALL-STATE BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T 1326 00:48:13,780 --> 00:48:14,780 GO BUY THE MIX. 1327 00:48:14,780 --> 00:48:15,780 RIGHT. 1328 00:48:15,780 --> 00:48:16,760 AS CHEAP AS THEY COULD. 1329 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,760 AND WE JUST PAY THEM TO DO IT. 1330 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,760 UNBELIEVABLE. 1331 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,760 YEAH. 1332 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,099 SO IT'S... 1333 00:48:23,099 --> 00:48:24,099 I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN. 1334 00:48:24,099 --> 00:48:25,099 I WAS TALKING TO THAT CLERK 1335 00:48:25,099 --> 00:48:26,099 FOR A TIME. 1336 00:48:26,099 --> 00:48:30,269 IT TAKES A COUPLE... 1337 00:48:30,269 --> 00:48:31,269 GO DOWN, GET IT, PUT IT DOWN. 1338 00:48:31,269 --> 00:48:32,269 PERFECT. 1339 00:48:32,269 --> 00:48:33,690 IT'S NEVER TO KNOCK IT OUT. 1340 00:48:33,690 --> 00:48:34,690 IT KIND OF GETS TO THE NEXT 1341 00:48:34,690 --> 00:48:35,690 LOAD. 1342 00:48:35,690 --> 00:48:36,690 YEAH. 1343 00:48:36,690 --> 00:48:40,250 YOU HAVE TO SIGN THE 1344 00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:41,250 APPROPRIATION? 1345 00:48:41,250 --> 00:48:42,980 NO. 1346 00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:43,980 IT'S SUBMITTED ONLINE WITHOUT A 1347 00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:44,980 SIGNATURE BEING NEEDED. 1348 00:48:44,980 --> 00:48:46,980 BUT IT'S PRESSED TO FILE OUR 1349 00:48:46,980 --> 00:48:49,429 MUNICIPAL ROADS GENERAL PERMIT. 1350 00:48:49,429 --> 00:48:51,429 AND THERE'S A $500 FEE THAT HAS 1351 00:48:51,429 --> 00:48:52,429 TO BE PAID. 1352 00:48:55,429 --> 00:48:58,429 SO THIS WILL HAVE TO BE SIGNED. 1353 00:48:58,429 --> 00:49:01,500 AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT 1354 00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:03,590 OUR TOWN HAS UPDATED ALL OF THE 1355 00:49:03,590 --> 00:49:06,590 ROAD SEGMENTS ON THEIR ONLINE 1356 00:49:06,590 --> 00:49:07,590 PORTAL. 1357 00:49:07,590 --> 00:49:08,590 AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS 1358 00:49:08,590 --> 00:49:10,590 THAT JIM HENDERSON FROM THE BCRC 1359 00:49:10,590 --> 00:49:12,590 DOES EVERY YEAR WHEN HE WORKS 1360 00:49:12,590 --> 00:49:15,590 WITH DAVE TO SET UP THOSE 1361 00:49:15,590 --> 00:49:19,230 MUNICIPAL ROAD WATER GRANTS 1362 00:49:19,230 --> 00:49:20,230 EVERY YEAR. 1363 00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:21,230 AND WE PAY $500 FOR THE 1364 00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:22,230 APPLICATION. 1365 00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:23,230 OR EVERY YEAR. 1366 00:49:23,230 --> 00:49:25,230 EVERY YEAR WE PAY THE STATE 1367 00:49:25,230 --> 00:49:26,230 $500. 1368 00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:27,969 WHEN WE'RE GETTING 10 BACK IN 1369 00:49:27,969 --> 00:49:28,969 THE GRANT. 1370 00:49:28,969 --> 00:49:29,969 10,000 THIS YEAR. 1371 00:49:29,969 --> 00:49:30,969 SO. 1372 00:49:30,969 --> 00:49:31,969 SIGNATURE. 1373 00:49:31,969 --> 00:49:32,969 GOOD INVESTMENT. 1374 00:49:32,969 --> 00:49:33,969 YEAH. 1375 00:49:33,969 --> 00:49:36,150 AND WE'RE AHEAD ON WHAT THEY'RE 1376 00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:37,150 LOOKING FOR. 1377 00:49:37,150 --> 00:49:40,070 SO THAT'S GOOD. 1378 00:49:40,070 --> 00:49:41,070 MOTION FORWARD. 1379 00:49:41,070 --> 00:49:43,000 WE'RE GOOD? 1380 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,000 MOTION. 1381 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,179 YEAH. 1382 00:49:47,179 --> 00:49:48,179 SECOND. 1383 00:49:48,179 --> 00:49:49,179 WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION 1384 00:49:49,179 --> 00:49:53,599 FORWARD. 1385 00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:54,599 OKAY. 1386 00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:55,599 DAVE, ONE QUESTION BACK TO THE 1387 00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:56,599 LOADER. 1388 00:49:56,599 --> 00:50:00,989 WHAT YEAR IS THE LOADER? 1389 00:50:00,989 --> 00:50:01,989 IT'S A 2017. 1390 00:50:01,989 --> 00:50:02,989 2017 GENERAL YEAR. 1391 00:50:02,989 --> 00:50:03,989 ANYTHING ELSE ON ROADS? 1392 00:50:03,989 --> 00:50:04,989 RECYCLING? 1393 00:50:04,989 --> 00:50:05,989 NO. 1394 00:50:05,989 --> 00:50:06,989 OKAY. 1395 00:50:06,989 --> 00:50:17,559 ANYTHING ELSE ON ROADS? 1396 00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:18,559 NO. 1397 00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:22,539 OKAY. 1398 00:50:22,539 --> 00:50:27,119 ANYTHING ELSE ON ROADS? 1399 00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:28,440 RECYCLING. 1400 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:29,440 NO. 1401 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,440 I HATE RECYCLING. 1402 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,440 I KNOW YOU DO. 1403 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,440 SORRY. 1404 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,440 I MISSED THE ALLIANCE MEETING. 1405 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,440 IT WAS ON THE CALENDAR AND I 1406 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:35,440 MISSED IT COMPLETELY. 1407 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:36,440 BUT IF YOU GO ON TO THE 1408 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:37,440 BENETTON COUNTY SOLID WASTE 1409 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,440 ALLIANCE, IT TELLS EVERYTHING 1410 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,440 YOU CAN RECYCLE AND THE 1411 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,440 HAZARDOUS, THE RECYCLING 1412 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,440 PROCESS. 1413 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:42,440 OKAY. 1414 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,440 ANYTHING ELSE ON ROADS? 1415 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,440 NO. 1416 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:45,440 OKAY. 1417 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:46,440 ANYTHING ELSE ON ROADS? 1418 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:47,440 NO. 1419 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,710 OKAY. 1420 00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:51,710 ANYTHING ELSE ON ROADS? 1421 00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:52,969 NO. 1422 00:50:52,969 --> 00:50:53,969 OKAY. 1423 00:50:54,690 --> 00:50:56,730 I MEAN, WE KNOW ON ROADS THAT 1424 00:50:56,730 --> 00:50:57,889 YOU CAN RECYCLE AND THE 1425 00:50:57,889 --> 00:50:59,429 HAZARDOUS, THE HOUSEHOLD 1426 00:50:59,429 --> 00:51:00,070 HAZARDOUS WASTE FACILITY WILL 1427 00:51:00,070 --> 00:51:01,329 SOON BE OPENING UP. 1428 00:51:01,329 --> 00:51:02,269 YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE AN 1429 00:51:02,269 --> 00:51:03,449 APPOINTMENT TO USE IT. 1430 00:51:03,449 --> 00:51:04,869 THAT IS ALL I THINK ABOUT NOW 1431 00:51:04,869 --> 00:51:07,070 THAT WILL BE HAPPENING. 1432 00:51:07,070 --> 00:51:20,619 JUST OUR RECYCLING AREA DON 1433 00:51:20,619 --> 00:51:25,360 CAN BE THAT LIGHT OUT THERE. 1434 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:25,800 THE OTHER DAY IT LOOKS PRETTY 1435 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:25,840 NEAT. 1436 00:51:25,840 --> 00:52:01,719 stuff out of the shed. I'll encourage him. Encourage him, yes. I know he likes to take that stuff and go through it, but there's a lot of stuff. He probably saves us money, though. Yeah, that's true. Emergency management. Okay, I'll take it this time. Bob? Just some, you know, 1437 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:36,010 closing thoughts about where it goes with Bob and Stuart and Sheila. Until somebody else is ready to do it, I'd like to keep the 911 numbering responsibility to work that out with Lori. I've got enough time and, you know, it doesn't come up that often. And as we go along, someone else can gain some experience with it. I plan to stay, you know, kind of be on call and mentor Bob and Stuart. 1438 00:52:36,230 --> 00:53:11,059 How long have you been doing it? Just around 40 years. I don't know if a thank you is enough. I know with the 911 numbering that it's a whole lot different than we started years ago because they want a lot more numbers. Nancy was town clerk at the time and she and I started up. It was just with whoever had a landline got a 911 numbering. Yeah, and now we still, you know, as I've mentioned a couple of times, we keep pushing 1439 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:42,610 for people to sign up for Vermont Alert because if they've got a cell phone, they're not going to get that emergency call out because they're not a record. And if they're not a record to Vermont Alert, then I can't ask or Bob can't ask the emergency watch officer statewide. He has the ability to push out an emergency management, an emergency message to everybody in like the state. 1440 00:53:42,630 --> 00:54:15,329 694 code, but that's as much as he can do unless something's come through the Vermont and he's doing it through the Vermont Alert system. So people that register for Vermont Alert with their cell phone will get the benefit of it. And I don't know what else we can depend on to try and notify everybody. I think we're long past, you know, when things are really difficult and there's a big emergency and you've already tied up most of the 1441 00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:48,110 firemen, there wasn't anybody who's going to go take a fire engine out with its PA system and drive up and down the roads. You know, talk about the 40 years when I got involved with most of this, it was because Yankee Road demanded that somebody and the two people, somebody continuously in town carried a pager just because we were within a five mile radius in the event that anything happened or spill or got off site. And that was 1442 00:54:48,110 --> 00:54:48,130 V.D. 1443 00:54:48,130 --> 00:54:56,789 beginning, close to it, around then. Fred Whittem, who most of you do not know, was 1444 00:54:56,789 --> 00:55:03,079 my next door neighbor at the time and he was the civil defense director. Titles 1445 00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:09,059 changed, responsibilities have changed. Bob and Stuart will have the advantage of a 1446 00:55:09,059 --> 00:55:13,320 program that started a couple of years ago as the state has certification 1447 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,280 procedures and you're not committed to take the whole course, the whole series 1448 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:23,340 of courses. They have a variety of online courses to get the experience and the 1449 00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:30,099 exposure that I kind of bank on 40 years of exposure in the fire department and 1450 00:55:30,099 --> 00:55:37,739 with emergency management to get by with. They're doing a much more comprehensive job. It's like having 1451 00:55:37,739 --> 00:55:43,489 learned, you know, by trial with the fire department as opposed to the now fire 1452 00:55:43,489 --> 00:55:48,710 to the scheduled and structured firefighter one and two courses. 1453 00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:49,780 But it's a lot of work. 1454 00:55:49,780 --> 00:55:54,550 Of course, they take 80 to 120 hours to do, but it's there. 1455 00:55:54,550 --> 00:56:02,340 Is everybody in this room signed up for Vermont Alert? 1456 00:56:02,340 --> 00:56:07,179 It's good. 1457 00:56:07,179 --> 00:56:13,750 And it's not like they bug you every five minutes. If you want just Bennington County, 1458 00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:18,750 or Windham County, Windsor County, anything around here, you don't have to have the whole state. 1459 00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:20,750 The biggest thing I get right now is the chain-up alerts. 1460 00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:22,909 Chain-up. I go, uh-oh, the mountain is falling. 1461 00:56:22,909 --> 00:56:26,909 Between Wilmington and Bennington. 1462 00:56:26,909 --> 00:56:31,809 Well, thanks again for everything, Bill. I think you're leaving a pretty good hands-on. 1463 00:56:31,809 --> 00:56:40,809 I'm sure that I'm leaving it with people who are very capable of carrying on with it, and they've expressed the interest and attitude to do it. 1464 00:56:40,809 --> 00:56:43,809 I'm glad some capable people stepped forward. 1465 00:56:43,809 --> 00:56:55,460 The other thing that you have on here for formation of a shelter committee, somebody else must have proposed putting it on the agenda. 1466 00:56:55,460 --> 00:56:57,460 I guess that was something. 1467 00:56:57,460 --> 00:57:01,550 We talked about last meeting, and it was... 1468 00:57:01,550 --> 00:57:03,550 There's a need. No question. 1469 00:57:03,550 --> 00:57:10,550 There's a need, and we didn't have anyone, because you were not going to be reappointed, 1470 00:57:10,550 --> 00:57:16,550 and that was one of the things that we wanted to look into and see how that would work. 1471 00:57:16,550 --> 00:57:20,550 What if something happens during the day, and the children are in the school? 1472 00:57:20,550 --> 00:57:24,550 Can we come here? Where do we go? What's available? 1473 00:57:24,550 --> 00:57:25,550 This is really... 1474 00:57:25,550 --> 00:57:26,550 You know, as I... 1475 00:57:26,550 --> 00:57:31,550 We started talking about two weeks ago, this is really a civilian effort, 1476 00:57:31,550 --> 00:57:41,579 so that you're not depending on people who already have committed responsibility with the fire department or EMTs. 1477 00:57:41,579 --> 00:57:47,250 The things that, in terms of running a shelter, you don't have to be an EMT, 1478 00:57:47,250 --> 00:57:54,309 you don't have to be a fireman to know how to orderly organize people and account for them. 1479 00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:56,889 So if that be something, hopefully, that they... 1480 00:57:56,889 --> 00:58:01,590 It's something, hopefully, that they would look into and... 1481 00:58:01,590 --> 00:58:02,590 Yeah. 1482 00:58:02,590 --> 00:58:03,590 I mean... 1483 00:58:03,590 --> 00:58:10,190 We can get some guidance from the Red Cross just to do this safely. 1484 00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:13,820 We talked to the school. 1485 00:58:13,820 --> 00:58:18,050 If there was a situation, you know, it really is the only place in town. 1486 00:58:18,050 --> 00:58:19,050 Right. 1487 00:58:19,050 --> 00:58:24,050 And they might have to make some changes in their daily schedule. 1488 00:58:24,340 --> 00:58:27,880 They have to have people staying warm or secure. 1489 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:28,880 Yeah. 1490 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,880 We should find out about the next joint meeting. 1491 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:32,880 In the school. 1492 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,880 We got one coming up. 1493 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,880 We just need to have it agreed. 1494 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:37,880 Yeah. 1495 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:44,880 I think we have one now if it was a declared emergency disaster and then we take over the school. 1496 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:50,880 But for something, just people need to be warm for a couple hours or a day or... 1497 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:51,880 And it's not the whole town either. 1498 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:52,880 It could be a classroom. 1499 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:53,880 Yeah. 1500 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,880 You know, it could be whatever size space we need. 1501 00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,880 But still we need to have, you know, heat, electricity, you know, all that. 1502 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:01,880 Electricity, bathrooms. 1503 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:02,880 Right. 1504 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:03,880 Sheila, why can't they use the fire station for that? 1505 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:04,880 My husband helped build that station. 1506 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:05,880 The fire station. 1507 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:06,880 It was supposed to be used for the community as well. 1508 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:07,880 Nobody made plans. 1509 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,519 I'll talk as president of the trustees. 1510 00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:10,519 When that building was structured, it was meant to be a meeting room... 1511 00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:11,519 Yes. 1512 00:59:11,519 --> 00:59:12,519 ...for the firemen. 1513 00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:13,519 No. 1514 00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:14,519 It also was used for other things. 1515 00:59:14,519 --> 00:59:15,519 It was recently used for a... 1516 00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:16,519 Oh. 1517 00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:17,519 I'm sorry. 1518 00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:18,519 I'm sorry. 1519 00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:19,519 You know, it was meant to be a meeting room. 1520 00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:20,519 Yes. 1521 00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:21,739 ...for the firemen. 1522 00:59:21,739 --> 00:59:22,739 No. 1523 00:59:22,739 --> 00:59:23,739 It also was used for other things. 1524 00:59:23,739 --> 00:59:24,739 It was recently used for a... 1525 00:59:24,739 --> 00:59:25,739 Well, that's the question. 1526 00:59:25,739 --> 00:59:26,739 I have a question about what I'm talking about. 1527 00:59:26,739 --> 00:59:27,739 I'm sorry. 1528 00:59:27,739 --> 00:59:38,900 for other things it was recently used for such as a reception for a fireman situation 1529 00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:49,119 i think there could be the ability there sheila but i think if there's an emergency going on 1530 00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:55,360 about the fire department's going to be busy and we need to stay out of their way well i counted 1531 00:59:55,360 --> 01:00:00,559 just a few people like so we'll we'll coordinate something and we'll make a plan and we'll make 1532 01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:04,539 sure everybody knows the plan that's the easiest way to make it happen okay 1533 01:00:06,699 --> 01:00:14,139 i know over in the school they have the first grade and second grade classrooms they have one 1534 01:00:14,139 --> 01:00:19,260 of them that has the bathroom and everything in it and it's just used for the principal and all 1535 01:00:19,260 --> 01:00:24,699 those guys go in and sit around so that could well let's let them tell us what space is available 1536 01:00:25,420 --> 01:00:38,139 we'll bring it up at the joint meeting and see what they say something in the works 1537 01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:56,139 discussion video reporting 1538 01:00:56,219 --> 01:01:01,820 of select board meeting so um jen made a request at the last meeting he'd like to 1539 01:01:03,179 --> 01:01:10,300 record this video record it so i reached out to vermont ladies cities and towns for a policy 1540 01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:16,300 they have a social media policy that's about 10 pages long 1541 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:26,780 other towns lori reached out on their muni net for other towns some have a policy some do not 1542 01:01:26,860 --> 01:01:35,250 have a policy so it's all over the board but what vermont league of cities in town said um if you 1543 01:01:35,250 --> 01:01:42,449 don't hold remote only meetings and you don't want to worry about the public record retention issues 1544 01:01:43,170 --> 01:01:49,570 then don't have this person report or post your town post to your town website because once he 1545 01:01:49,570 --> 01:01:55,489 gets posted to the town website then it's town and we have to abide by the open meeting law 1546 01:01:57,090 --> 01:02:01,469 their schedule is 10 years 1547 01:02:02,590 --> 01:02:07,460 people want copies who does that fall on 1548 01:02:08,260 --> 01:02:12,820 so that's just what i found so now it's up to the world what do we want to decide on this 1549 01:02:13,699 --> 01:02:18,900 with jeff's uh i mean i'm all about being open and transparent yeah it's possible the other 1550 01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:24,340 thing i had is like you know what if jed does it he does it for a year or two then he decides to stop 1551 01:02:24,340 --> 01:02:27,099 doing it and then the pounds of personnel having that chance 1552 01:02:27,539 --> 01:02:30,840 And then no one, you know, nobody takes their names and do it from that. 1553 01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:34,820 I mean, I'm more than open to all this stuff being discovered. 1554 01:02:35,139 --> 01:02:36,659 I just don't know how to do that. 1555 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,860 Right away we want to do something that's good, and this thing comes in and says, wait, thank you. 1556 01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:45,900 So I wrote down retention, which she basically just said. 1557 01:02:46,539 --> 01:02:51,860 And then, you know, what if Jen decides six months a year from now that she doesn't need a rebel man? 1558 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,480 He can still record this meeting. 1559 01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:54,360 Just let us know. 1560 01:02:54,619 --> 01:02:55,340 As a personal. 1561 01:02:55,579 --> 01:02:55,739 Yep. 1562 01:02:55,739 --> 01:02:56,059 Right. 1563 01:02:56,300 --> 01:02:56,420 Sure. 1564 01:02:56,719 --> 01:02:57,219 I'm on board. 1565 01:02:57,219 --> 01:02:59,019 Do you have a website you want to post? 1566 01:02:59,219 --> 01:03:04,699 Well, even if we link it on our web page, then we still have to keep it. 1567 01:03:04,699 --> 01:03:07,539 The town has to wash their hands from it in order to make it. 1568 01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:10,099 And then it would just be me personally. 1569 01:03:10,340 --> 01:03:10,699 Yes. 1570 01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:12,000 No problem. 1571 01:03:12,260 --> 01:03:12,840 Can you do it? 1572 01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:16,860 Yeah, I have no objection to it. 1573 01:03:16,940 --> 01:03:19,079 I just didn't think that the town should. 1574 01:03:19,139 --> 01:03:23,099 Well, basically it's like, okay, for Jeb to do it, but we don't want to be involved in it. 1575 01:03:23,099 --> 01:03:24,500 He's not going to come to it. 1576 01:03:24,619 --> 01:03:24,840 Yeah. 1577 01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:26,000 Right. 1578 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:26,679 Ten years. 1579 01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:27,199 Yeah. 1580 01:03:27,219 --> 01:03:31,079 It seems like a lot of legwork for somebody trying to be helpful. 1581 01:03:31,159 --> 01:03:31,400 Yeah. 1582 01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:33,619 I mean, right now we've got the recording. 1583 01:03:33,619 --> 01:03:34,860 People can listen to that. 1584 01:03:34,860 --> 01:03:35,659 They can read the minutes. 1585 01:03:35,659 --> 01:03:37,659 I was surprised to hear that we didn't even need to have that. 1586 01:03:37,659 --> 01:03:37,800 Well. 1587 01:03:38,989 --> 01:03:39,849 Yeah, I read that. 1588 01:03:39,849 --> 01:03:41,110 They said we don't even need that. 1589 01:03:41,369 --> 01:03:45,409 Well, then we can have that for Lori's transcription if she. 1590 01:03:45,409 --> 01:03:48,429 We don't even need that recording legally as long as we're having a public. 1591 01:03:48,690 --> 01:03:48,909 Yeah. 1592 01:03:49,389 --> 01:03:51,809 We just do this for accuracy. 1593 01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:52,789 For her. 1594 01:03:52,969 --> 01:03:54,150 I tell her we don't have to have that. 1595 01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:57,369 If she's called out during the meeting, she can always listen to that. 1596 01:03:57,369 --> 01:03:58,369 Yeah, that's good to have. 1597 01:03:58,369 --> 01:03:59,369 I thought it was something that we legally needed that. 1598 01:03:59,369 --> 01:04:00,369 And if somebody wanted a copy of it, they bring in their little, their own. 1599 01:04:00,369 --> 01:04:01,369 No, you can provide the stick. 1600 01:04:01,369 --> 01:04:02,369 If I provide the stick, I charge the cost of the stick. 1601 01:04:02,369 --> 01:04:03,369 Right. 1602 01:04:03,369 --> 01:04:04,369 So a lot of people bring in their own little stick and then I just put it on. 1603 01:04:04,369 --> 01:04:05,369 Yeah. 1604 01:04:05,369 --> 01:04:06,369 We're not going to do anything. 1605 01:04:06,369 --> 01:04:07,369 Nothing with that, Jeb. 1606 01:04:07,369 --> 01:04:08,369 But you're welcome to. 1607 01:04:08,369 --> 01:04:09,369 I'm curious to see how many people may actually watch. 1608 01:04:09,369 --> 01:04:10,369 Video and just let us know when you're recording. 1609 01:04:10,369 --> 01:04:11,369 Is that the only video you're recording? 1610 01:04:11,369 --> 01:04:12,369 Yeah. 1611 01:04:12,369 --> 01:04:13,369 Yeah. 1612 01:04:13,369 --> 01:04:14,369 Yeah. 1613 01:04:14,369 --> 01:04:15,369 Yeah. 1614 01:04:15,369 --> 01:04:16,369 Yeah. 1615 01:04:16,369 --> 01:04:18,750 Yeah. 1616 01:04:18,750 --> 01:04:22,500 Yeah. 1617 01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:23,500 Yeah. 1618 01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:24,500 Yeah. 1619 01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:25,500 Yeah. 1620 01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:26,500 Yeah. 1621 01:04:26,500 --> 01:04:27,500 Yeah. 1622 01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:28,500 Yeah. 1623 01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:29,500 Yeah. 1624 01:04:29,500 --> 01:04:30,500 Yeah. 1625 01:04:30,500 --> 01:04:31,500 Yeah. 1626 01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:41,489 Is that the only thing you have to do when you're recording a public meeting, is let 1627 01:04:41,489 --> 01:04:42,489 the audience know. 1628 01:04:42,489 --> 01:04:43,489 Moving on, sign zoning bylaws. 1629 01:04:43,489 --> 01:04:46,679 Last meeting, Mike, you said you were going to get in touch with Dave and talk about how 1630 01:04:46,679 --> 01:04:51,360 to, you're looking at the sign, to see how it could be removed. 1631 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:58,019 Yeah, I thought that was the way to go. 1632 01:04:58,019 --> 01:05:02,099 But we're looking, still looking. 1633 01:05:02,099 --> 01:05:03,800 I'm still not. 1634 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:04,559 I'm still not. 1635 01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:11,559 And then the wood itself, I think, is all bolted up. 1636 01:05:11,559 --> 01:05:12,559 They all come apart. 1637 01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:14,559 Can you pick one? 1638 01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:24,559 Bottom line is, I'm at a point where I would like to just not have to sign on the agenda anymore. 1639 01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:26,559 That's how much I'm sick of it. 1640 01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:31,559 But the thing is, we have to go by the rules, fine. 1641 01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:33,559 Do what you guys gotta do. 1642 01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:37,559 But it doesn't make sense, and I said this last meeting, and I'll say it again. 1643 01:05:37,559 --> 01:05:40,559 This is an opinion now, it's not a rule. 1644 01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:48,559 If we're gonna go and change bylaws to put up a damn sign that's already up, it just doesn't make sense in the best interest for me. 1645 01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:50,559 That's all I'm gonna say. 1646 01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:52,559 I'm sick of it. 1647 01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:57,559 But if we gotta take it down, pay it down, do whatever you guys gotta do, and then we'll go from there. 1648 01:05:57,559 --> 01:06:02,559 I totally agree, but at the beginning of this, you started on this path of righteousness. 1649 01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:03,559 Yep. 1650 01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:05,559 And we're gonna absolutely do the right thing. 1651 01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:09,559 Somehow the right thing, like I said, is to go back to the planning board and the banking board. 1652 01:06:09,559 --> 01:06:18,170 I looked up a law today, and I guess it's under the interpretation of the law. 1653 01:06:18,170 --> 01:06:25,170 But the state says that municipalities can be exempt, churches, municipalities. 1654 01:06:25,170 --> 01:06:29,170 And it does mention signs, setbacks, that you can. 1655 01:06:29,170 --> 01:06:33,170 But then it says, and I can't remember the exact wording, but it says, 1656 01:06:33,170 --> 01:06:43,320 but it has to hinder the function of the original message that you want for it, or the original intent. 1657 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:44,320 Right. 1658 01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:48,320 So if you're gonna build this building, and yeah, it's gonna be a little too close to the road, 1659 01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:53,900 you could exempt yourself, even though it's a little too close to the road, 1660 01:06:53,900 --> 01:06:59,250 because the intent is to open it up to have more room for children and a school. 1661 01:06:59,250 --> 01:07:00,250 Right. 1662 01:07:00,250 --> 01:07:04,250 So when you look at the interpretation of that law, which I didn't write down, actually. 1663 01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:08,460 One thing I didn't write down. 1664 01:07:08,460 --> 01:07:17,750 It's Vermont Title 24, VCA 4413, Minnesota bylaws, state bylaws. 1665 01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:26,219 If you look at that, if I saw this a long time ago, it might have stopped a lot of things. 1666 01:07:26,219 --> 01:07:32,219 It looks like, even though the state's not coming in and saying, hey, it's too close to the road. 1667 01:07:32,219 --> 01:07:34,219 That's the state rule. 1668 01:07:34,219 --> 01:07:36,219 So I do believe that the sign doesn't do anything. 1669 01:07:36,219 --> 01:07:37,219 Right. 1670 01:07:37,219 --> 01:07:39,219 Doesn't do its function. 1671 01:07:39,219 --> 01:07:40,219 I believe that. 1672 01:07:40,219 --> 01:07:44,219 I believe, I agree that the sign says Stanford, Vermont. 1673 01:07:44,219 --> 01:07:46,219 And again, this is just an opinion. 1674 01:07:46,219 --> 01:07:49,480 So when people drive by, they go, Stanford, Vermont, what the heck is that? 1675 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:55,480 So I think it should have signs hanging down saying school, town hall, library. 1676 01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,480 But I don't think it needs to be torn down. 1677 01:07:58,480 --> 01:07:59,480 I don't think it needs to be moved. 1678 01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:06,480 And according to this law, if I interpret it right, the intent of the sign was to notify people what's here. 1679 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,480 I think it's just incomplete. 1680 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:09,480 Right. 1681 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:14,480 But if people want to look at that and go forward on it, that's up to you guys. 1682 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,640 You want to take it down, take it down. 1683 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,640 I know that the, you know, we all do respect to the zone board. 1684 01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:21,640 They did their job. 1685 01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:22,640 I understand that. 1686 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,640 Everybody did their job. 1687 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,640 But now you look and just sit back and say, okay, everybody did their job. 1688 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,640 What's in the best interest for the town hall? 1689 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,079 And just think about it for a second. 1690 01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:36,079 It's not to tear a sign down, wait two years to change bylaws, and then put it back up. 1691 01:08:36,079 --> 01:08:38,149 That's my opinion. 1692 01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:40,149 I'm done talking about it. 1693 01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:42,239 Bye. 1694 01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:45,090 Bye. 1695 01:08:45,090 --> 01:08:58,250 Going back to the planning commission, the LCT that we could have asked the planning commission to do interim zoning bylaws. 1696 01:08:58,250 --> 01:09:06,529 But the, it was, it had to be for health, safety. 1697 01:09:06,529 --> 01:09:10,010 There was some reasons in here. 1698 01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:14,010 And I don't think the sign met the interim bylaws. 1699 01:09:14,010 --> 01:09:17,010 That the select board could institute. 1700 01:09:17,010 --> 01:09:21,010 I think it has to go back to the, right back to the planning commission. 1701 01:09:21,010 --> 01:09:24,010 If we're followed by the letter of the law, the sign's in violation. 1702 01:09:24,010 --> 01:09:30,260 So it's, the state right of way is 25 feet from the center, which is a minimum standard. 1703 01:09:30,260 --> 01:09:32,260 The town right of way is 50. 1704 01:09:32,260 --> 01:09:36,180 So it's 35 feet from the center. 1705 01:09:36,180 --> 01:09:37,180 It's also too big. 1706 01:09:37,180 --> 01:09:39,529 So there's multiple bylaws with the sign. 1707 01:09:39,529 --> 01:09:55,590 And if we're following since June or whatever. 1708 01:09:55,590 --> 01:10:00,449 But what I was saying earlier, it may not be the case now because the board remembers the vote now. 1709 01:10:00,449 --> 01:10:08,560 What is the question, if we're, if you send it back to the planning board, for what? 1710 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,560 They have to amend the bylaws if they choose to. 1711 01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,560 They may choose not to. 1712 01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,560 They don't have to amend the bylaws. 1713 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,489 Right. 1714 01:10:16,489 --> 01:10:18,489 That's the risk of going back to the planning board. 1715 01:10:18,489 --> 01:10:21,489 But that's basically what, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. 1716 01:10:21,489 --> 01:10:23,489 I mean, I read it. 1717 01:10:23,489 --> 01:10:25,649 You know, I'm not a lawyer by any means. 1718 01:10:25,649 --> 01:10:33,800 But it sounded to me like they were suggesting they go back to the planning board to follow the, you know, the path that's the right path to take. 1719 01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:39,439 So in the meantime, the board will have to take the sign down. 1720 01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,890 The sign is still not down. 1721 01:10:41,890 --> 01:10:42,890 Yeah. 1722 01:10:42,890 --> 01:10:44,890 Don't care if it stays up or down or whatever. 1723 01:10:44,890 --> 01:10:48,890 I mean, the whole point of the sign has been lost a long time ago. 1724 01:10:48,890 --> 01:10:53,890 It was to build a sense of community and coming together of a town. 1725 01:10:53,890 --> 01:10:58,960 It had the total opposite effect for what it was intended for. 1726 01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,960 So I don't know what to do with the sign anymore. 1727 01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:02,960 I'm with you. 1728 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,960 I'm tired of talking about the sign. 1729 01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:12,960 And there was people wandering around the school the other day looking for, I don't know what they were looking for. 1730 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,960 But they were looking here, looking there, looking out front. 1731 01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,369 I think they were looking for the library. 1732 01:11:19,369 --> 01:11:21,789 Which they have the sign now. 1733 01:11:21,789 --> 01:11:22,789 They're close to the road. 1734 01:11:22,789 --> 01:11:24,789 They just want to say. 1735 01:11:24,789 --> 01:11:25,789 It's pretty easy. 1736 01:11:25,789 --> 01:11:28,789 I mean, sometimes you can hit people right upside the head with a sign. 1737 01:11:28,789 --> 01:11:30,789 They're still not going to see it. 1738 01:11:30,789 --> 01:11:32,789 So where are we going from there? 1739 01:11:32,789 --> 01:11:33,789 That's right. 1740 01:11:33,789 --> 01:11:34,789 I don't know. 1741 01:11:34,789 --> 01:11:41,789 If we're going to go by what was suggested, you know, we should probably send it back to the playing board. 1742 01:11:41,789 --> 01:11:44,949 And they can decide how to move forward from there. 1743 01:11:44,949 --> 01:11:50,109 I don't know what else to do unless you guys want to go around what they're suggesting us to do. 1744 01:11:50,109 --> 01:11:57,300 You know, this may not be unpopular, but like you said, we've been beating this dead horse for a long while. 1745 01:11:57,300 --> 01:12:03,300 And whatever the good intent to put that sign out there might have been, it is illegal. 1746 01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:07,460 And it's been allowed to go on too long. 1747 01:12:07,460 --> 01:12:09,460 And I think it's time to take it down. 1748 01:12:09,460 --> 01:12:12,029 Yeah. 1749 01:12:12,029 --> 01:12:14,029 I mean, that's not the path we've kind of been on. 1750 01:12:14,029 --> 01:12:18,029 Because so many times it's been sent back and forth and everything else. 1751 01:12:18,029 --> 01:12:21,029 I think it's time to just take it down. 1752 01:12:21,029 --> 01:12:22,029 Right. 1753 01:12:22,029 --> 01:12:23,029 Well, yeah. 1754 01:12:23,029 --> 01:12:25,029 I agree with that as well. 1755 01:12:25,029 --> 01:12:30,029 Until it goes back to the planning commission to change. 1756 01:12:30,029 --> 01:12:33,029 We could have a sign, but as long as we met. 1757 01:12:33,029 --> 01:12:34,029 Absolutely. 1758 01:12:34,029 --> 01:12:36,029 It's not this little thingy thing. 1759 01:12:36,029 --> 01:12:37,029 You think people can't see it. 1760 01:12:37,029 --> 01:12:39,029 I mean, I'm not going to go out there and unbolt it myself and take it down. 1761 01:12:39,029 --> 01:12:40,029 I agree. 1762 01:12:40,029 --> 01:12:41,029 It's in violation. 1763 01:12:41,029 --> 01:12:43,029 But it was an unfortunate mistake. 1764 01:12:43,029 --> 01:12:46,960 I've never been a panel taking it down. 1765 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:52,960 I honestly did not expect where we are today. 1766 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,960 Not doing that well, unfortunately. 1767 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:55,960 Yeah. 1768 01:12:55,960 --> 01:13:00,180 But it has to . 1769 01:13:00,180 --> 01:13:02,279 Well, unfortunately for the sign. 1770 01:13:02,279 --> 01:13:04,279 If the board did. 1771 01:13:04,279 --> 01:13:10,079 Vote to give the right of way for it. 1772 01:13:10,079 --> 01:13:14,079 And if you bring it back to the planning board and you change the bylaws. 1773 01:13:14,079 --> 01:13:19,079 Then you open up the rest of the town for wanting the next guy to have that site. 1774 01:13:19,079 --> 01:13:20,079 Exactly. 1775 01:13:20,079 --> 01:13:21,079 And the next guy. 1776 01:13:21,079 --> 01:13:22,079 And the next guy. 1777 01:13:22,079 --> 01:13:23,079 Let me finish, please. 1778 01:13:23,079 --> 01:13:25,079 municipalities not changing the signs of this town. 1779 01:13:25,079 --> 01:13:27,079 Let me finish, please. 1780 01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:29,270 The motion was made. 1781 01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:31,270 The CDA did what it was supposed to do. 1782 01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:33,270 Sent it back to the board. 1783 01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:34,270 I would suggest. 1784 01:13:34,270 --> 01:13:36,270 Talk to the town's lawyer. 1785 01:13:36,270 --> 01:13:38,270 Before you start trying to . 1786 01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:41,270 Because all we're doing is constantly on the wheel. 1787 01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:44,270 I don't get any kind of preference either way. 1788 01:13:44,270 --> 01:13:47,270 But the bottom line is we've already spent way too much time on this. 1789 01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:50,270 There are so many more important things to be doing. 1790 01:13:50,270 --> 01:13:52,270 So it looks like everybody agrees. 1791 01:13:52,270 --> 01:13:53,270 It's about too much time. 1792 01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:55,270 And it's crazy to think. 1793 01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:56,270 VLCP, our lawyers. 1794 01:13:56,270 --> 01:13:58,270 They said bring it back to the board. 1795 01:13:58,270 --> 01:14:01,270 So I don't think we should go down and spend another $1,500. 1796 01:14:01,270 --> 01:14:02,270 No. 1797 01:14:02,270 --> 01:14:03,270 No. 1798 01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:04,270 No. 1799 01:14:04,270 --> 01:14:05,270 No. 1800 01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:06,270 I don't think we should go down and spend another $1,500. 1801 01:14:06,270 --> 01:14:07,270 No. 1802 01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:08,270 No. 1803 01:14:08,270 --> 01:14:09,270 No. 1804 01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:10,270 No. 1805 01:14:10,270 --> 01:14:11,270 No. 1806 01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:12,270 No. 1807 01:14:12,270 --> 01:14:13,270 No. 1808 01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:14,270 No. 1809 01:14:14,270 --> 01:14:15,270 No. 1810 01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:16,270 No. 1811 01:14:16,270 --> 01:14:17,270 No. 1812 01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:18,270 No. 1813 01:14:18,270 --> 01:14:19,270 No. 1814 01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:20,270 No. 1815 01:14:20,270 --> 01:14:21,270 No. 1816 01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:22,270 No. 1817 01:14:22,270 --> 01:14:23,270 No. 1818 01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:24,270 No. 1819 01:14:24,270 --> 01:14:25,270 No. 1820 01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:26,270 No. 1821 01:14:26,270 --> 01:14:27,270 No. 1822 01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:28,270 No. 1823 01:14:28,270 --> 01:14:29,270 No. 1824 01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:30,270 No. 1825 01:14:30,270 --> 01:14:31,270 No. 1826 01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:32,270 No. 1827 01:14:32,270 --> 01:14:33,270 No. 1828 01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:34,270 No. 1829 01:14:34,270 --> 01:14:35,270 No. 1830 01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:36,270 No. 1831 01:14:36,270 --> 01:14:37,270 No. 1832 01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:38,270 No. 1833 01:14:38,270 --> 01:14:39,270 No. 1834 01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:40,270 No. 1835 01:14:40,270 --> 01:14:41,270 No. 1836 01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:42,270 No. 1837 01:14:42,270 --> 01:14:43,270 No. 1838 01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:44,270 No. 1839 01:14:44,270 --> 01:14:45,270 No. 1840 01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:46,270 No. 1841 01:14:46,270 --> 01:14:47,270 No. 1842 01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:48,270 No. 1843 01:14:48,270 --> 01:14:49,270 No. 1844 01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:50,270 No. 1845 01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:52,199 No. 1846 01:14:52,199 --> 01:14:53,199 No. 1847 01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:54,199 No. 1848 01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:55,199 No. 1849 01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:56,199 No. 1850 01:14:56,199 --> 01:14:57,199 No. 1851 01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:58,199 No. 1852 01:14:58,199 --> 01:14:59,199 No. 1853 01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:00,199 No. 1854 01:15:00,199 --> 01:15:01,199 No. 1855 01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:02,199 No. 1856 01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:11,479 for the select board to waive the right to have this sign there based on that thing of the 1857 01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:21,159 municipality being able to do it does that not get you know moving on being with that it's easy to 1858 01:15:21,159 --> 01:15:28,600 say to tear it down but then what who funds the cost of building a new sign you know there will 1859 01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:34,840 be stamp volunteers who are willing to do what they did for this sign for the town you know 1860 01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:40,199 you're signaling to people that their efforts for the town are going to be ripped up when they 1861 01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:45,720 didn't do anything wrong totally understand all that but uh the amendment process as it stands 1862 01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:50,439 right now starts with the planes doesn't start with the select board the plane where it can 1863 01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:54,279 decide and move forward if we're talking about legalities and we're walking in a straight and 1864 01:15:54,279 --> 01:15:58,520 arrow on this like we've been for a while now is there any other sign in town 1865 01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:10,319 as a town select person i think we need to follow our own rules and set an example 1866 01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:13,199 all right if someone else is in violation 1867 01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:25,439 the select board is not supposed to go back and interfere on a board decision that's statute 1868 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,239 bill camera point 1869 01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:36,149 point about allowing one sign and then signs being scrubbing up all over town 1870 01:16:36,869 --> 01:16:44,229 the intent was to change the bylaws to allow municipal signs and only municipal signs 1871 01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:49,430 and that didn't lead to many other signs throughout town the only other thing that 1872 01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:57,600 was discussed was a few other large signs in town that in common decency we probably should provide 1873 01:16:58,159 --> 01:16:59,520 for some that still exist 1874 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:07,319 but nobody advocated creating a precedent for anybody that wanted to put a sign up 1875 01:17:08,039 --> 01:17:16,770 many towns throughout the state and in massachusetts allow their own signs for their own 1876 01:17:16,770 --> 01:17:22,289 purposes and if you don't think that we could put a sign on the front of the school building that 1877 01:17:22,289 --> 01:17:29,479 said town office you're being foolish unfortunately that's not what the sign says and i'm not going to 1878 01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,079 go on that point my point is 1879 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,199 and you should comment on this when the cda makes a decision 1880 01:17:36,199 --> 01:17:41,159 to select whatever by statute is not supposed to get involved so when you 1881 01:17:41,159 --> 01:17:45,880 told us to go to the other nos agency 1882 01:17:48,359 --> 01:17:52,479 your board wasn't it you're twisting it i'm not twisting i'll ask this question 1883 01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:53,859 today's name i'm not watched 1884 01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:56,840 it you're not bringing it back to the boards that have already made itet fluid 1885 01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:01,380 state ac 1886 01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:30,079 I don't like the way this meeting is going with this argument, because if you look back, 1887 01:18:30,079 --> 01:18:38,340 we stated it in 2023, that we wanted you guys to take that sign down, that we were not going to permit it. 1888 01:18:38,699 --> 01:18:40,180 So now you're already into it. 1889 01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,899 Our first meeting on it was in 2023. 1890 01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:44,619 What meeting was that? 1891 01:18:44,699 --> 01:18:45,159 First meeting. 1892 01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:51,279 And we told you that we were having it take down at a certain time. 1893 01:18:51,500 --> 01:18:51,739 Right. 1894 01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:56,979 And I asked if it could wait until later, because I did not want to do it in front of the kids. 1895 01:18:56,979 --> 01:18:58,979 I didn't want that kind of a... 1896 01:18:59,840 --> 01:18:59,960 Right. 1897 01:19:00,079 --> 01:19:00,100 Right. 1898 01:19:00,100 --> 01:19:00,159 Right. 1899 01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:00,180 Right. 1900 01:19:00,180 --> 01:19:10,409 So now you guys are saying that you want to go to DBA, or go to planning board and change some of the rules and regulations on some of this. 1901 01:19:12,359 --> 01:19:17,000 It'd be almost the same thing with us having this done in 2023. 1902 01:19:17,579 --> 01:19:22,220 We can take you guys to court, and you would have, we have back and forth. 1903 01:19:23,659 --> 01:19:25,119 You would not make that money back. 1904 01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:26,680 It would stay with the DBA. 1905 01:19:27,899 --> 01:19:30,220 Also, asking is a simple ask. 1906 01:19:30,399 --> 01:19:32,460 Are you asking the planning board if they... 1907 01:19:32,460 --> 01:19:34,180 If they would amend the bylaws, that's it. 1908 01:19:34,300 --> 01:19:34,500 Period. 1909 01:19:34,659 --> 01:19:35,779 If they would amend the bylaws. 1910 01:19:35,779 --> 01:19:36,659 You're not listening. 1911 01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:46,960 When the bylaws come up and you take it down, forgive me. 1912 01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:52,819 Anybody that wants to hide it, tell me. 1913 01:19:52,819 --> 01:20:01,319 You got to go to the DBA. 1914 01:20:01,319 --> 01:20:02,020 Why can't you have a sign that reads grandfather? 1915 01:20:03,359 --> 01:20:03,800 I don't know. 1916 01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:04,680 I don't know. 1917 01:20:07,890 --> 01:20:09,350 That sign's too big, too. 1918 01:20:09,529 --> 01:20:10,149 It's too big. 1919 01:20:10,350 --> 01:20:12,810 I said at the time, that sign is grandpa. 1920 01:20:15,220 --> 01:20:21,090 But that doesn't mean we submit to this bill sign to be grandfathered in. 1921 01:20:24,180 --> 01:20:24,720 In fact... 1922 01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:43,800 If we made that sign smaller, it would be 10% larger than allowed by law. 1923 01:20:44,319 --> 01:20:49,529 If it had to be... 1924 01:20:49,529 --> 01:20:51,720 One square feet is three... 1925 01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:52,779 That's literally... 1926 01:20:52,779 --> 01:20:55,520 You wouldn't be able to see it. 1927 01:20:56,539 --> 01:20:57,739 Why don't you have the same standard? 1928 01:20:58,760 --> 01:20:59,520 Another one measured... 1929 01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:00,180 Well, it just happens. 1930 01:21:00,180 --> 01:21:01,460 That's what I'm saying. 1931 01:21:01,579 --> 01:21:02,960 We don't have a lot of room if you... 1932 01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:03,140 Yeah. 1933 01:21:03,239 --> 01:21:04,720 How an office school... 1934 01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:05,520 You got to stand up. 1935 01:21:05,739 --> 01:21:06,500 You got to stand up. 1936 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:09,720 I thought we were all... 1937 01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:11,319 We all look at the same time, right? 1938 01:21:11,779 --> 01:21:13,390 Yeah. 1939 01:21:13,630 --> 01:21:14,149 No, they... 1940 01:21:14,369 --> 01:21:15,550 We haven't decided anything. 1941 01:21:15,609 --> 01:21:16,050 I know that. 1942 01:21:16,090 --> 01:21:17,329 What are we doing with this sign? 1943 01:21:18,359 --> 01:21:19,600 We voted last meeting. 1944 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:20,420 Take it down. 1945 01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:21,960 I mean, what are our choices? 1946 01:21:22,180 --> 01:21:24,899 Choice A is leave it there and just ignore it? 1947 01:21:24,979 --> 01:21:25,739 Our choice B is... 1948 01:21:25,739 --> 01:21:26,479 Take it down. 1949 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:30,500 We had to start the process all over again and make it regular and bring it down. 1950 01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:31,319 Take it down. 1951 01:21:31,319 --> 01:21:37,619 If the planning commission wants to change the bylaws, we go to their meeting and ask 1952 01:21:37,619 --> 01:21:39,239 them to change them, see how they vote. 1953 01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:42,180 Because they've got five members now. 1954 01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:43,899 My issue... 1955 01:21:43,899 --> 01:21:44,420 We have to... 1956 01:21:44,420 --> 01:21:45,119 You brought this up. 1957 01:21:45,220 --> 01:21:46,760 You can't... 1958 01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:52,039 Like, if you're going to lead by example, we're going to put a sign up that's 27 square feet 1959 01:21:52,039 --> 01:21:52,420 or whatever. 1960 01:21:52,979 --> 01:21:54,840 We should allow everybody else in town to put a sign up that's 27 square feet. 1961 01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:55,600 That's right. 1962 01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:56,020 Here, here. 1963 01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:57,699 That would be in the bylaws. 1964 01:21:57,899 --> 01:21:58,380 But... 1965 01:21:58,380 --> 01:22:02,760 So when we condition the plane, or maybe we should not only ask about a sign, but we should 1966 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,800 maybe ask just about municipalities. 1967 01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:14,569 The reason why this law here that I mentioned is in place in the state is because of the 1968 01:22:14,569 --> 01:22:17,869 municipality's, to exempt them from certain things. 1969 01:22:17,869 --> 01:22:18,869 Because there's... 1970 01:22:18,869 --> 01:22:28,449 For the better good of the community, municipalities, schools, churches, private institutions would 1971 01:22:28,449 --> 01:22:32,029 have more leniency than a private person would. 1972 01:22:32,029 --> 01:22:34,090 That's why this law is in place. 1973 01:22:34,090 --> 01:22:40,369 If you read this law and you interpret it the way I interpret it, then we are exempt 1974 01:22:40,369 --> 01:22:44,409 if it doesn't follow the intent. 1975 01:22:44,569 --> 01:22:52,170 So if that sign, if your restrictions don't follow the, or stop the intent of the sign, 1976 01:22:52,170 --> 01:22:53,170 then we're exempt. 1977 01:22:53,170 --> 01:22:54,329 What does that mean? 1978 01:22:54,329 --> 01:22:55,329 Can you give me that? 1979 01:22:55,329 --> 01:22:56,329 It's Title 24 VSA 4413. 1980 01:22:56,329 --> 01:22:57,329 VSA what? 1981 01:22:57,329 --> 01:22:58,329 VSA what? 1982 01:22:58,329 --> 01:22:59,329 VSA 4413. 1983 01:22:59,329 --> 01:23:00,329 4413. 1984 01:23:00,329 --> 01:23:01,329 4413. 1985 01:23:01,329 --> 01:23:02,329 4413. 1986 01:23:02,329 --> 01:23:03,329 4413. 1987 01:23:03,329 --> 01:23:04,329 4413. 1988 01:23:04,329 --> 01:23:05,329 4413. 1989 01:23:05,329 --> 01:23:06,329 4413. 1990 01:23:06,329 --> 01:23:07,329 4413. 1991 01:23:07,329 --> 01:23:08,329 4413. 1992 01:23:08,329 --> 01:23:09,329 4413. 1993 01:23:09,329 --> 01:23:10,329 4413. 1994 01:23:10,329 --> 01:23:11,329 4413. 1995 01:23:11,329 --> 01:23:12,329 4413. 1996 01:23:12,329 --> 01:23:13,329 4413. 1997 01:23:13,329 --> 01:23:14,329 4413. 1998 01:23:14,329 --> 01:23:14,529 4413. 1999 01:23:14,529 --> 01:23:15,329 4413. 2000 01:23:15,329 --> 01:23:16,329 4413. 2001 01:23:16,329 --> 01:23:17,329 4413. 2002 01:23:17,329 --> 01:23:18,329 4513. 2003 01:23:18,329 --> 01:23:19,329 4513. 2004 01:23:19,329 --> 01:23:20,489 4513. 2005 01:23:20,489 --> 01:23:21,489 4513. 2006 01:23:21,489 --> 01:23:42,779 45. 2007 01:23:42,779 --> 01:23:44,779 V. 2008 01:23:44,979 --> 01:23:48,979 So somebody crashes into it, what's your responsibility? 2009 01:23:48,979 --> 01:23:50,979 I can't explain this to you. 2010 01:23:50,979 --> 01:23:52,979 I can argue with the center of the room. 2011 01:23:52,979 --> 01:23:58,979 I'm on the ALE. 2012 01:23:58,979 --> 01:24:01,109 You guys can ask your exam. 2013 01:24:01,109 --> 01:24:02,109 I don't know. 2014 01:24:02,109 --> 01:24:04,109 On the 4413, your exam. 2015 01:24:04,109 --> 01:24:05,109 You got it? 2016 01:24:05,109 --> 01:24:06,109 Churches as well. 2017 01:24:06,109 --> 01:24:08,109 You saw it? 2018 01:24:08,109 --> 01:24:10,109 I read it. I know what it is. 2019 01:24:10,109 --> 01:24:11,109 Oh, okay. I thought you were on the ALE. 2020 01:24:11,109 --> 01:24:14,109 I've allowed the churches here in town to do things without it. 2021 01:24:14,109 --> 01:24:16,109 Because they're exempt. 2022 01:24:16,109 --> 01:24:18,109 Faith-based organizations. 2023 01:24:18,109 --> 01:24:22,199 All you've got to do is follow the rest of the rules. 2024 01:24:22,199 --> 01:24:26,199 You have to follow the rules for setbacks and stuff like that. 2025 01:24:26,199 --> 01:24:33,000 But size of the signs and stuff like that, if you go in there and read that, 2026 01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,000 you have that interpreted, you're exempt. 2027 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,130 Setbacks from the ALE center? 2028 01:24:38,130 --> 01:24:43,130 Like I said at the beginning of this conversation, I'm sick of talking about it. 2029 01:24:43,130 --> 01:24:45,130 You guys want to take it down? 2030 01:24:45,130 --> 01:24:47,130 Any motion to take it down? 2031 01:24:47,130 --> 01:24:48,130 Take it down. 2032 01:24:48,130 --> 01:24:49,130 Setback is from the center. 2033 01:24:49,130 --> 01:24:50,130 Follow the rule? 2034 01:24:50,130 --> 01:24:53,130 You want to go by the, you know, right through the process? 2035 01:24:53,130 --> 01:24:54,130 Go ahead. 2036 01:24:54,130 --> 01:24:55,130 Setback is from the center. 2037 01:24:55,130 --> 01:24:56,130 From the center. 2038 01:24:56,130 --> 01:24:57,130 I'm just giving my opinion. 2039 01:24:57,130 --> 01:24:58,130 That's all. 2040 01:24:58,130 --> 01:24:59,130 Right between the two yellow lines. 2041 01:24:59,130 --> 01:25:01,130 I just don't think it's going to be good or not. 2042 01:25:01,130 --> 01:25:04,130 I don't think it would have to be 15 feet from the center. 2043 01:25:04,130 --> 01:25:06,579 Is anyone going to be checking on the other bills today? 2044 01:25:06,579 --> 01:25:07,579 No. 2045 01:25:07,579 --> 01:25:08,579 It's not the highway. 2046 01:25:08,579 --> 01:25:09,579 There's two different ones. 2047 01:25:09,579 --> 01:25:10,579 Yeah. 2048 01:25:10,579 --> 01:25:11,579 I was right. 2049 01:25:11,579 --> 01:25:12,579 It was the right one. 2050 01:25:12,579 --> 01:25:13,579 It was the right one. 2051 01:25:13,579 --> 01:25:14,579 It was the right one. 2052 01:25:14,579 --> 01:25:15,579 It was the right one. 2053 01:25:15,579 --> 01:25:22,579 There's different sections of Vermont that if the secretary or whoever is in charge 2054 01:25:22,579 --> 01:25:26,579 of the signs, they allow for distances off the road. 2055 01:25:26,579 --> 01:25:33,579 You have to contact this person and see what our area is allowing for the distance off 2056 01:25:33,579 --> 01:25:34,579 the road. 2057 01:25:34,579 --> 01:25:39,579 It varies from, like, Wilmington, Whitingham, they have different. 2058 01:25:39,579 --> 01:25:44,579 No, I meant, like, for saying we're a municipality, we ought to be exempt from following our own 2059 01:25:44,579 --> 01:25:45,579 rules. 2060 01:25:45,579 --> 01:25:46,579 Oh, yeah. 2061 01:25:46,579 --> 01:25:47,579 They're exempt from following our own rules. 2062 01:25:47,579 --> 01:25:48,579 And those who are their own laws are exempt from following the laws, but you know what? 2063 01:25:48,579 --> 01:25:49,579 They're not allowed to talk. 2064 01:25:49,579 --> 01:25:50,579 Okay. 2065 01:25:50,579 --> 01:25:51,579 Are we the only one that is open to following our own rules? 2066 01:25:51,579 --> 01:25:52,579 All the other towns in the state of Vermont like that? 2067 01:25:52,579 --> 01:25:53,579 Are we the only one that is not in our area? 2068 01:25:53,579 --> 01:25:54,579 Why? 2069 01:25:54,579 --> 01:25:55,579 Why couldn't the lawyer tell us that? 2070 01:25:55,579 --> 01:25:56,579 I don't know, because under this title, all the towns of the state of Vermont fall 2071 01:25:56,579 --> 01:25:57,579 under this title. 2072 01:25:57,579 --> 01:25:58,579 I'm not the lawyer to look up the laws. 2073 01:25:58,579 --> 01:25:59,579 You never even mentioned it. 2074 01:25:59,579 --> 01:26:00,579 Now we never mention it. 2075 01:26:00,579 --> 01:26:01,579 This isn't like we're not following our own rules. 2076 01:26:01,579 --> 01:26:02,579 We're following state rules. 2077 01:26:02,579 --> 01:26:03,579 Uh-huh. 2078 01:26:03,579 --> 01:26:04,579 So, the state always supersedes town? 2079 01:26:04,579 --> 01:26:05,579 Always. 2080 01:26:05,579 --> 01:26:06,579 No. 2081 01:26:06,579 --> 01:26:07,579 We're not always. 2082 01:26:07,579 --> 01:26:10,140 our own rules, we're following state rules. 2083 01:26:10,140 --> 01:26:12,520 State always supersedes town. 2084 01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:13,279 Always. 2085 01:26:13,279 --> 01:26:15,859 No, not always. 2086 01:26:15,859 --> 01:26:20,300 So you can put it, the town people are strengthened. 2087 01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:21,060 Correct. 2088 01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:25,699 So if the town does not exempt municipalities, 2089 01:26:25,699 --> 01:26:29,329 are we in fact, bowing to the state? 2090 01:26:29,329 --> 01:26:31,689 Or by simply not mentioning it? 2091 01:26:31,689 --> 01:26:35,640 We've found this when we've had to permit things. 2092 01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,039 The seasonal camp in the middle of town, 2093 01:26:38,039 --> 01:26:40,340 it didn't say it in the bylaws. 2094 01:26:40,340 --> 01:26:45,319 But by not saying it, and it said it in the other ones, 2095 01:26:45,319 --> 01:26:47,220 like rural and- 2096 01:26:47,220 --> 01:26:49,279 By not saying it in order to state that. 2097 01:26:49,279 --> 01:26:50,119 Correct. 2098 01:26:50,119 --> 01:26:51,859 That's what I'm trying to say. 2099 01:26:51,859 --> 01:26:53,060 I mean, is that true? 2100 01:26:53,060 --> 01:26:55,460 I'm just throwing out some of it. 2101 01:26:55,460 --> 01:26:59,859 So who's in the AOL handbook? 2102 01:26:59,859 --> 01:27:00,699 What? 2103 01:27:00,699 --> 01:27:01,960 It's in the AOL handbook. 2104 01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,909 Yes, yes. 2105 01:27:03,909 --> 01:27:05,210 Where it's telling rent. 2106 01:27:05,210 --> 01:27:06,970 No, not always. 2107 01:27:06,970 --> 01:27:08,550 I thought on terms of- 2108 01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:11,289 They can't park a sign in the state highway 2109 01:27:11,289 --> 01:27:12,489 without them coming down. 2110 01:27:12,489 --> 01:27:13,329 Right. 2111 01:27:13,329 --> 01:27:14,149 And getting a permit for it. 2112 01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:14,989 That's what I'm talking about. 2113 01:27:14,989 --> 01:27:16,989 I'm not talking about all aspects of it. 2114 01:27:16,989 --> 01:27:18,529 Can't. 2115 01:27:18,529 --> 01:27:20,329 The issue really becomes is- 2116 01:27:20,329 --> 01:27:21,170 Take a motion. 2117 01:27:21,170 --> 01:27:22,170 The sign is locked in the school. 2118 01:27:22,170 --> 01:27:22,989 It wouldn't happen. 2119 01:27:22,989 --> 01:27:25,029 It really doesn't say. 2120 01:27:25,029 --> 01:27:26,729 I'll take it down if you want. 2121 01:27:26,729 --> 01:27:31,569 I wouldn't take it down. 2122 01:27:31,569 --> 01:27:33,770 I'd add to it, but I wouldn't take it down. 2123 01:27:33,770 --> 01:27:35,250 Let's move up a half. 2124 01:27:35,250 --> 01:27:36,550 I should start from the middle. 2125 01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:37,909 No, no, no, no. 2126 01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:40,489 What's your motion? 2127 01:27:40,489 --> 01:27:43,550 My motion is that we file a front by-laws 2128 01:27:43,550 --> 01:27:45,949 and take the sign down. 2129 01:27:45,949 --> 01:27:51,220 Then we'll review it after that. 2130 01:27:51,220 --> 01:27:52,619 I'll second that. 2131 01:27:52,619 --> 01:27:53,899 All in favor? 2132 01:27:53,899 --> 01:27:54,659 Aye. 2133 01:27:54,659 --> 01:27:56,560 Aye. 2134 01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:57,060 No. 2135 01:27:57,060 --> 01:27:59,369 No. 2136 01:27:59,369 --> 01:28:04,260 Three yes, two no. 2137 01:28:04,260 --> 01:28:06,109 Now I've got a question. 2138 01:28:06,109 --> 01:28:09,800 Who's taking the sign down? 2139 01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:11,960 How long do you need to help take it down? 2140 01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:12,939 Yes, we did. 2141 01:28:12,939 --> 01:28:14,560 Give me the names back in the way. 2142 01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,340 We had a conversation about voting. 2143 01:28:17,539 --> 01:28:18,739 It's a sound property. 2144 01:28:18,739 --> 01:28:25,090 Somebody's going to bond themselves to not damage it. 2145 01:28:25,090 --> 01:28:26,569 Can I just say one thing? 2146 01:28:26,569 --> 01:28:28,420 I'm sorry, man. 2147 01:28:28,420 --> 01:28:30,380 Because I'm a little hurt. 2148 01:28:30,380 --> 01:28:32,079 I haven't really been following this, 2149 01:28:32,079 --> 01:28:35,430 but I'm just learning about a lot of it. 2150 01:28:35,430 --> 01:28:38,159 But I find it really disheartening 2151 01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:41,760 that this went all the way to the ZBA, 2152 01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,260 from what I understand, twice. 2153 01:28:43,260 --> 01:28:47,050 And the ZBA did not inform the town. 2154 01:28:47,050 --> 01:28:50,680 It should have never went there to begin with, period. 2155 01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,960 Because you're exempt. 2156 01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:58,659 We paid the lawyer like $1,500 to tell us that back in July. 2157 01:28:58,659 --> 01:29:01,159 Well, you only paid me $100. 2158 01:29:01,159 --> 01:29:05,239 Yeah, for the depreciation. 2159 01:29:05,239 --> 01:29:05,979 It's in the law. 2160 01:29:05,979 --> 01:29:10,590 I don't see why we need a lawyer. 2161 01:29:10,590 --> 01:29:15,270 We should have known. 2162 01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:16,930 Because we were told without a permit, 2163 01:29:16,930 --> 01:29:19,489 they needed to find the correct channel. 2164 01:29:19,489 --> 01:29:20,569 They didn't need a permit. 2165 01:29:20,569 --> 01:29:23,359 They were exempt. 2166 01:29:23,359 --> 01:29:26,859 A citizen came and said, how did you do this without following 2167 01:29:26,859 --> 01:29:27,659 a vital license? 2168 01:29:27,659 --> 01:29:28,260 So that's what happened. 2169 01:29:28,260 --> 01:29:31,460 And the ZBA should have then turned around and said 2170 01:29:31,460 --> 01:29:34,100 to that person that, according to state law, 2171 01:29:34,100 --> 01:29:40,560 the municipality is exempt, according to 24-4-4-13. 2172 01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:48,010 The lawyer should have told us to call the ZBA. 2173 01:29:48,010 --> 01:29:50,909 The ZBA is following its own bylaws. 2174 01:29:50,909 --> 01:29:53,250 Next. 2175 01:29:53,250 --> 01:29:54,430 Who's taking it now? 2176 01:29:54,430 --> 01:29:56,670 We need to apply for a permit for asylum. 2177 01:29:56,670 --> 01:30:00,369 Mike said he's talked to you last meeting. 2178 01:30:00,369 --> 01:30:01,970 I didn't talk to him. 2179 01:30:01,970 --> 01:30:06,449 How would you like me to prioritize that? 2180 01:30:06,449 --> 01:30:11,989 Before you put the culverts in, I'd go up and look at the culverts. 2181 01:30:11,989 --> 01:30:14,449 As far as I'm concerned, I've got so many things to do, 2182 01:30:14,449 --> 01:30:16,850 that sign is . 2183 01:30:16,850 --> 01:30:18,350 Whenever you get time. 2184 01:30:18,350 --> 01:30:21,409 Where is a good spot to put it? 2185 01:30:21,409 --> 01:30:23,109 The right, you said you had a spot. 2186 01:30:23,109 --> 01:30:24,810 Yeah, I can put it up behind the town garage. 2187 01:30:24,810 --> 01:30:27,289 Why don't we prioritize a spot for it first 2188 01:30:27,289 --> 01:30:28,789 before we start taking it down? 2189 01:30:28,789 --> 01:30:29,590 All right. 2190 01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:30,289 Let me know. 2191 01:30:30,289 --> 01:30:30,890 We'll think about it. 2192 01:30:30,890 --> 01:30:33,090 How long is this? 2193 01:30:33,090 --> 01:30:37,329 Well, we can put it somewhere and then apply for a permit or whatever. 2194 01:30:37,329 --> 01:30:40,770 Well, if the planning board chooses not to amend the permit. 2195 01:30:40,770 --> 01:30:45,119 If they choose not to amend the permit, the side could be down forever. 2196 01:30:45,119 --> 01:30:46,300 What's that mean? 2197 01:30:46,300 --> 01:30:50,340 And how much of this am I taking down? 2198 01:30:50,340 --> 01:30:52,000 Am I taking out the foundation of it? 2199 01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:55,739 Because there's going to be eight rods sticking on the ground. 2200 01:30:55,739 --> 01:30:56,500 No, there's not. 2201 01:30:56,500 --> 01:30:59,039 All right. 2202 01:30:59,039 --> 01:30:59,979 So it may not. 2203 01:30:59,979 --> 01:31:00,979 Do we want rights? 2204 01:31:00,979 --> 01:31:01,880 Yes. 2205 01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:03,119 I'm going to put it down. 2206 01:31:03,119 --> 01:31:04,079 Take the invisible. 2207 01:31:04,079 --> 01:31:06,359 I want a new loader and just put a chain on it. 2208 01:31:06,359 --> 01:31:08,359 Just like cover it with dirt or? 2209 01:31:08,359 --> 01:31:11,079 . 2210 01:31:11,079 --> 01:31:12,359 Can I just have a dirt pile there? 2211 01:31:12,359 --> 01:31:14,359 It's fine to take the tag down then. 2212 01:31:14,359 --> 01:31:17,260 Like I said last week, is this something I need to do tomorrow 2213 01:31:17,260 --> 01:31:20,500 or can I work on some of these roads that I need to do the work on? 2214 01:31:20,500 --> 01:31:21,199 Do the roads. 2215 01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:21,659 Do your best. 2216 01:31:21,659 --> 01:31:25,439 I mean really, I'm asking sincerely, how do I prioritize? 2217 01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:30,180 Because as far as I'm concerned, like my roads are number one and I, 2218 01:31:30,180 --> 01:31:31,020 there's two of them. 2219 01:31:31,020 --> 01:31:34,020 There's two of us, and there's two of us at the same time. 2220 01:31:34,020 --> 01:31:36,020 So I would say to them, do the roads first. 2221 01:31:36,020 --> 01:31:38,020 At the top of us, start fighting. 2222 01:31:38,020 --> 01:31:41,020 In all honesty, I've got another big storm coming. 2223 01:31:41,020 --> 01:31:43,020 I've got cars on my truck. 2224 01:31:43,020 --> 01:31:47,020 I've got to pull the plates tomorrow to make sure it's ready for the storm. 2225 01:31:47,020 --> 01:31:51,020 I've got no less than 2,000 houses. 2226 01:31:51,020 --> 01:31:56,020 They're destroying people's cars. 2227 01:31:56,020 --> 01:31:59,020 To me, this is just a boom. 2228 01:31:59,020 --> 01:32:01,109 I'll do it for $50. 2229 01:32:01,109 --> 01:32:02,109 I hear you. 2230 01:32:02,109 --> 01:32:06,109 Why don't I keep your number, and if I need a hand taking it down, I'll follow you. 2231 01:32:06,109 --> 01:32:09,109 I've got no problem doing the job. 2232 01:32:09,109 --> 01:32:12,109 It's just I really have no problem. 2233 01:32:12,109 --> 01:32:15,109 Even if they're in school, they... 2234 01:32:15,109 --> 01:32:16,109 Yeah, I don't care what you do. 2235 01:32:16,109 --> 01:32:18,109 They told me to take it down, take it down. 2236 01:32:18,109 --> 01:32:20,109 I don't care if the kids are watching or not. 2237 01:32:20,109 --> 01:32:21,109 It doesn't matter. 2238 01:32:21,109 --> 01:32:23,109 I'm not refusing to do it. 2239 01:32:23,109 --> 01:32:25,109 I'm just saying I'm willing to do it. 2240 01:32:25,109 --> 01:32:26,109 Like, every day. 2241 01:32:26,109 --> 01:32:30,170 Every day, I have to prioritize what I'm working on. 2242 01:32:30,170 --> 01:32:32,170 So keep in mind, a couple things. 2243 01:32:32,170 --> 01:32:36,170 Like I said last week, now that the sign is going to be down, there is, believe it or not, 2244 01:32:36,170 --> 01:32:39,170 a whole bunch of people in town that are going to see the fact that the sign is down now 2245 01:32:39,170 --> 01:32:41,170 and go, what happened to the sign? 2246 01:32:41,170 --> 01:32:42,170 Right? 2247 01:32:42,170 --> 01:32:44,170 They're all going to start coming in here and saying, where is it? 2248 01:32:44,170 --> 01:32:49,170 We might have to get the gym auditorium, whatever you want to call it, in this building. 2249 01:32:49,170 --> 01:32:52,170 So this being just the beginning point for something. 2250 01:32:52,170 --> 01:32:56,170 Is there repercussions by actually taking the sign down because it was like a death or... 2251 01:32:56,170 --> 01:32:57,170 Yeah. 2252 01:32:57,170 --> 01:32:58,170 We don't know that. 2253 01:32:58,170 --> 01:33:02,170 And secondarily, I mean, the planning board had to decide to even, you know, take this 2254 01:33:02,170 --> 01:33:04,170 out at some point. 2255 01:33:04,170 --> 01:33:10,350 They can say no, and then the sign may have to be stored, you know, in that balance. 2256 01:33:10,350 --> 01:33:12,350 Can I ask a question? 2257 01:33:12,350 --> 01:33:15,350 Sheila, when is the planning board going to meet again? 2258 01:33:15,350 --> 01:33:21,180 They can't on Monday because, you know, now because... 2259 01:33:21,180 --> 01:33:23,180 Well, when's your next meeting scheduled? 2260 01:33:23,180 --> 01:33:25,180 I will have to wait for the schedule. 2261 01:33:25,180 --> 01:33:29,180 I was thinking maybe April 8th because they'll have to give five-day notice. 2262 01:33:29,180 --> 01:33:37,199 And he didn't put nothing in, or I wasn't told to put anything in today. 2263 01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:40,199 And we don't have five days that come in on Monday. 2264 01:33:40,199 --> 01:33:43,199 Oh, you guys don't have scheduled meetings every day? 2265 01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:44,199 No. 2266 01:33:44,199 --> 01:33:45,199 No, that's what he said. 2267 01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:47,199 We didn't know what he was saying. 2268 01:33:47,199 --> 01:33:49,199 He did when we were putting in town plans. 2269 01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:50,199 Oh, okay. 2270 01:33:50,199 --> 01:33:52,199 I thought the planning board had six years. 2271 01:33:52,199 --> 01:33:55,229 So April 8th is on Monday. 2272 01:33:55,229 --> 01:33:58,229 Sheila, do you have contacts for your tuna members? 2273 01:33:58,229 --> 01:33:59,260 Do I have what? 2274 01:33:59,260 --> 01:34:02,260 The contacts for Lisa and Pete to get them all. 2275 01:34:02,260 --> 01:34:04,810 You already gave them all. 2276 01:34:04,810 --> 01:34:06,810 That would be like a whole different board than it has now. 2277 01:34:06,810 --> 01:34:09,810 Yeah, are we going for a five-member board or a seven-member? 2278 01:34:09,810 --> 01:34:10,810 Seven. 2279 01:34:10,810 --> 01:34:11,810 Seven. 2280 01:34:11,810 --> 01:34:12,810 Seven. 2281 01:34:12,810 --> 01:34:15,810 I'm going to send it if you think it needs to be different. 2282 01:34:15,810 --> 01:34:17,810 But I would go with your seven for now. 2283 01:34:17,810 --> 01:34:19,810 Yeah, I think it needs to be five. 2284 01:34:19,810 --> 01:34:20,810 That's my opinion. 2285 01:34:20,810 --> 01:34:22,810 You guys can hash it out. 2286 01:34:22,810 --> 01:34:23,810 All right, let's sign it. 2287 01:34:23,810 --> 01:34:26,810 Because we've got two and a half people through there. 2288 01:34:26,810 --> 01:34:27,810 I'm off that now. 2289 01:34:27,810 --> 01:34:28,810 Okay. 2290 01:34:28,810 --> 01:34:31,840 I mean, I'll still be at the meetings, I'm sure. 2291 01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:33,840 Can we move on to the FEMA buyout program? 2292 01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:37,840 We'll all be there, but not as an exhibition, it turns out. 2293 01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:43,380 We never will be there. 2294 01:34:43,380 --> 01:34:48,380 Can we move on to the FEMA buyout program? 2295 01:34:48,380 --> 01:34:59,819 Last week I gave you copies of the Model D restriction and 2296 01:34:59,819 --> 01:35:00,819 who wants to sign? 2297 01:35:00,819 --> 01:35:05,640 I am a state and voluntary participation. 2298 01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,640 You guys read a note. 2299 01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:14,590 You're comfortable signing. 2300 01:35:14,590 --> 01:35:24,130 And we may have another property looking at the maps, too, 2301 01:35:24,130 --> 01:35:27,130 and we don't know if it's River Corridor or anything. 2302 01:35:27,130 --> 01:35:28,130 Where? 2303 01:35:28,130 --> 01:35:29,130 How do we know that? 2304 01:35:29,130 --> 01:35:30,420 What? 2305 01:35:30,420 --> 01:35:35,420 We don't know if somebody is in the River Corridor, the floodway. 2306 01:35:35,420 --> 01:35:37,420 Do you go by Vermont A&R maps? 2307 01:35:37,420 --> 01:35:38,420 Yes. 2308 01:35:38,420 --> 01:35:39,420 Go on parcel viewing. 2309 01:35:39,420 --> 01:35:40,420 Do you start layering? 2310 01:35:40,420 --> 01:35:47,060 up. Yes. You can do river corridor floodplain but that map itself is probably two or three years old. 2311 01:35:48,020 --> 01:35:52,500 So what is SEMA going to buy out if you're in the river corridor or if you're in the 100 year 2312 01:35:52,500 --> 01:35:58,500 floodplain? We don't we don't know that yet. What it is what it is is all these houses are probably 2313 01:35:58,500 --> 01:36:03,539 what you would call eligible. Right. But they're not going to come and tear down a house and it's 2314 01:36:03,539 --> 01:36:08,020 just because it's in the river corridor. If it's in fine condition there's nothing to be affected 2315 01:36:08,020 --> 01:36:12,979 on the property. You know it's a very livable situation. They're not they're still what I want 2316 01:36:12,979 --> 01:36:18,899 to find out from them is what are the stipulations once someone qualifies which okay you qualify for 2317 01:36:18,899 --> 01:36:24,420 the river corridor. From that point what are the stipulations that would decide from a FEMA 2318 01:36:24,420 --> 01:36:30,659 standpoint that you think you need to raise this house and tear it down. One is that there's no 2319 01:36:30,659 --> 01:36:34,899 other options within the property. Right. There's no other alternative that you can do for that 2320 01:36:34,899 --> 01:36:38,020 property. Which a lot this is why every property is different. 2321 01:36:38,020 --> 01:36:43,460 It really needs to be a case-by-case basis because there's different scenarios that can apply to 2322 01:36:43,460 --> 01:36:51,460 different properties. Case-by-case for them to decide not us. Well us us as well um you know um 2323 01:36:52,859 --> 01:36:57,100 so I think I'm sure they have some level of strict standards. They're not just going to come in and 2324 01:36:57,100 --> 01:37:01,420 say okay we're going to rip these 15 houses down the river corridor because they're in the river 2325 01:37:01,420 --> 01:37:08,060 corridor. Now if the river has gone into that corridor and eroded away by the house then that 2326 01:37:08,060 --> 01:37:08,380 may 2327 01:37:08,460 --> 01:37:20,930 be an option for that house. I know you guys don't want to get here, but um it's got to be a one-on-one 2328 01:37:20,930 --> 01:37:30,770 correlation. So you have to show a past history of damages due to flooding or whatever and based on 2329 01:37:30,770 --> 01:37:39,789 your past history and then looking forward it has to even one-on-one so one percent basically 2330 01:37:39,789 --> 01:37:40,670 100 percent of the value of your house. So if you're looking for a one-on-one correlation, you 2331 01:37:40,670 --> 01:37:41,869 have to show a history of damages due to flooding or whatever and based on your past history and then 2332 01:37:41,869 --> 01:37:49,279 your house to make it a worthwhile structure, whether it's a structure, a house, a piece 2333 01:37:49,279 --> 01:37:52,899 of property for FEMA to come in and even consider. 2334 01:37:53,840 --> 01:38:01,520 So if you've had $50,000 worth of property damage, even if it's your property and you've 2335 01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:10,039 had to shore up or do whatever, and they can show in the next 20 years that that progression 2336 01:38:10,039 --> 01:38:17,560 and based on their algorithms, it's eventually going to equal the value of the house, then 2337 01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:18,659 they consider it. 2338 01:38:19,159 --> 01:38:26,220 So if you've had no damage, you're just happy going along and you just say, oh, I'm not 2339 01:38:26,220 --> 01:38:29,970 going to buy out your house, probably won't happen. 2340 01:38:30,630 --> 01:38:31,550 Probably won't. 2341 01:38:32,069 --> 01:38:38,010 And I'm only saying based on the hundreds of hours I've spent on this. 2342 01:38:38,010 --> 01:38:40,069 And I've asked you guys to make calls. 2343 01:38:40,170 --> 01:38:40,529 Did anything? 2344 01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:45,300 Did anybody call and speak with Brian or Stephanie? 2345 01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:46,140 Okay. 2346 01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:49,680 So this is why every property is different. 2347 01:38:49,819 --> 01:38:53,859 Every property has a different set of scenarios or circumstances that they're under. 2348 01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:58,439 This may work for one property in town. 2349 01:38:58,520 --> 01:38:59,460 It may not work for the other. 2350 01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:03,239 Maybe there's some different set of circumstances that you can do for that property. 2351 01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:09,180 But where I've been all along on it, it's just I feel that it's hard to take off the 2352 01:39:09,180 --> 01:39:09,560 table. 2353 01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:15,460 Not only for this property, which I think is in a lot of trouble, but for someone else 2354 01:39:15,460 --> 01:39:18,960 that may need this program down the line in the future. 2355 01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:22,539 The river courses are dramatically changing around here. 2356 01:39:22,659 --> 01:39:23,300 Things are happening. 2357 01:39:24,060 --> 01:39:29,140 I don't think by any, you know, I don't think by any circumstances a team is going to come 2358 01:39:29,140 --> 01:39:31,479 in here and buy, like, a whole bunch of houses off. 2359 01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:35,229 I'd be surprised if there was, you know, three houses. 2360 01:39:35,229 --> 01:39:39,670 I've done some research on it, and as a, well, I don't live on a river floor. 2361 01:39:39,689 --> 01:39:46,210 But as a person that owns property on a river corridor, you have every right to maintain 2362 01:39:46,210 --> 01:39:48,949 property on that river corridor. 2363 01:39:49,289 --> 01:39:53,289 Your house is being washed out, or your land is being eroded. 2364 01:39:53,430 --> 01:40:01,810 You have every right as a property owner to protect your property and maintain that bank. 2365 01:40:01,890 --> 01:40:07,270 So if your river bank or whatever is being washed out of your house, and you're not doing 2366 01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:09,670 anything about it, it's only going to... 2367 01:40:09,689 --> 01:40:15,159 I really don't know what to say about that, because as a property owner, I would want 2368 01:40:15,159 --> 01:40:19,100 to maintain my property and protect the value of my assets. 2369 01:40:19,460 --> 01:40:20,340 Which we've done. 2370 01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:25,600 However, when you have a neighbor and a full quarter mile up the road that you have no 2371 01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:32,399 control over, that is now into their property, and is now encroaching ours, there's no way 2372 01:40:32,399 --> 01:40:33,039 to shore up. 2373 01:40:33,039 --> 01:40:39,199 You can shore it up and shore it up and shore it up for years and years and years, but you 2374 01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:40,039 can't force your... 2375 01:40:40,039 --> 01:40:43,140 You can't force your neighbor to shore up their property. 2376 01:40:43,140 --> 01:40:49,760 The way I read that, too, the way I read it, it's under extreme alteration permits and 2377 01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:50,359 things like that. 2378 01:40:50,460 --> 01:40:52,279 I kind of view that as an emergency. 2379 01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:54,319 It's not a permanent fix. 2380 01:40:54,399 --> 01:40:59,739 It's an emergency situation only, where you have a certain amount of time, and you've 2381 01:40:59,739 --> 01:41:02,420 got to apply for permits for burning, for embankments, all that stuff. 2382 01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:04,220 I know people have done it over the years. 2383 01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:06,340 Yeah, you have to put some kind of rip-or-out. 2384 01:41:06,539 --> 01:41:07,119 Yes, you know. 2385 01:41:07,119 --> 01:41:09,119 But it's generally a temporary... 2386 01:41:10,140 --> 01:41:18,420 Like Dan said, too, if you touch your land, and it was downstream, you're affecting how 2387 01:41:18,420 --> 01:41:23,600 the river flows, and then I do mine, and you're affecting how it flows down to yours, so every 2388 01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:25,680 little band-aid affects down the river. 2389 01:41:25,819 --> 01:41:30,720 A stream alteration on your property is going to negatively affect the property right downstream 2390 01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:32,979 in a very dramatic way. 2391 01:41:33,239 --> 01:41:34,899 That's how it's all set up here. 2392 01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:38,939 I mean, that house is built in a floodplain, and you can argue whether you want to build 2393 01:41:38,939 --> 01:41:39,479 a floodplain. 2394 01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:40,000 It's a floodplain. 2395 01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:40,060 It's a floodplain. 2396 01:41:40,060 --> 01:41:40,119 It's a floodplain. 2397 01:41:40,140 --> 01:41:41,579 I'm completely against it. 2398 01:41:41,939 --> 01:41:44,079 It throws the whole elevation of the water off. 2399 01:41:44,500 --> 01:41:46,420 That house is just built in a bad spot. 2400 01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:52,060 It's on a bed of the river, filled in with filth, gravel filth, which is easily loaded 2401 01:41:52,060 --> 01:41:59,039 away, on a bed of the stream, with no other alternative to relocate anywhere on the property. 2402 01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:01,220 It's like the perfect storm all over. 2403 01:42:02,119 --> 01:42:06,279 Okay, so let's go back to these forms that we have just signed. 2404 01:42:06,420 --> 01:42:07,520 Are we going to sign them? 2405 01:42:08,579 --> 01:42:09,460 I... 2406 01:42:09,460 --> 01:42:10,180 Because it says... 2407 01:42:10,180 --> 01:42:13,119 I still have a lot of questions here. 2408 01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:23,000 My biggest thing is, you know, and I'm not arguing, but I got documentation that said 2409 01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:26,340 you don't need to have damage in qualified. 2410 01:42:26,699 --> 01:42:28,640 That's the first thing that bothers me. 2411 01:42:29,020 --> 01:42:31,920 No, no, not qualified, but to be considered. 2412 01:42:32,260 --> 01:42:32,659 Well, qualified. 2413 01:42:32,659 --> 01:42:33,760 There's a difference. 2414 01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:34,020 Okay. 2415 01:42:35,020 --> 01:42:40,500 The UN is going to come in and qualify you to go through this private, and it says that 2416 01:42:40,500 --> 01:42:41,920 you don't need to have damage. 2417 01:42:42,359 --> 01:42:43,159 That's what I read. 2418 01:42:43,359 --> 01:42:43,560 Yeah. 2419 01:42:43,979 --> 01:42:49,800 I just read an article about the spruces in Lansdowne. 2420 01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:53,739 That was FEMA bought them out, and they did exactly the same thing. 2421 01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:55,039 Gave it to the town of Lansdowne. 2422 01:42:56,390 --> 01:43:01,050 There was many homes that weren't damaged, many homes that did not want to move. 2423 01:43:01,149 --> 01:43:02,710 They were forced to move. 2424 01:43:02,810 --> 01:43:03,649 FEMA bought them off. 2425 01:43:04,350 --> 01:43:05,149 They forced them off. 2426 01:43:05,329 --> 01:43:10,770 In this article that I just read, the town of Lansdowne wants to have a dog walking park 2427 01:43:10,770 --> 01:43:11,909 where they can... 2428 01:43:11,909 --> 01:43:15,760 Let the dogs off the leash, and FEMA won't let them put a fence up. 2429 01:43:17,119 --> 01:43:18,100 It bothers me. 2430 01:43:18,100 --> 01:43:25,640 I would be all for this if FEMA bought a person's house out, and that land stayed to the person. 2431 01:43:26,199 --> 01:43:28,640 They just bought the home, and they own the land. 2432 01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:29,840 They can do what they want with the land. 2433 01:43:29,899 --> 01:43:33,840 But when they force it upon the town, I'm having a problem with that. 2434 01:43:34,420 --> 01:43:40,739 I don't like that the town has to take care, maintain, do records, do an audit. 2435 01:43:41,020 --> 01:43:41,300 I don't... 2436 01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:42,880 And I understand what... 2437 01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:42,899 What? 2438 01:43:42,899 --> 01:43:42,920 What? 2439 01:43:42,939 --> 01:43:43,420 What you're saying. 2440 01:43:43,899 --> 01:43:45,779 Down the road, what's going to happen? 2441 01:43:46,779 --> 01:43:52,529 But, you know, people lived in that house for 40 years, 60 years. 2442 01:43:52,729 --> 01:43:53,109 Sorry. 2443 01:43:53,470 --> 01:43:57,579 You know, so I'm just saying is people bought that house. 2444 01:43:57,680 --> 01:43:58,439 They had insurance. 2445 01:43:59,180 --> 01:44:00,000 I'm just... 2446 01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:03,579 If the tree falls on my house, I have to do the same thing. 2447 01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:06,539 FEMA is going to come down and cut the trees down for me. 2448 01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:08,420 You know, I have to pay to cut my trees down. 2449 01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:09,520 I think it's a bigger part... 2450 01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:12,100 I'm having a tough time with the colonial response. 2451 01:44:12,100 --> 01:44:13,600 I think it's just the shift in... 2452 01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:16,680 I agree, it's a crappy process that we're involved in. 2453 01:44:17,460 --> 01:44:20,619 But I think it's just the shift in how they're doing flood hazard mitigation. 2454 01:44:21,460 --> 01:44:26,420 I think the intent, if I were to read the mind of the state, is for the town basically to do nothing with that land. 2455 01:44:26,420 --> 01:44:33,800 I'd love to see if this resort, back to the way that just wetlands are part of it, the river's going to take that. 2456 01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:38,319 If this river continues, say it doesn't get mediated, it doesn't get fixed, 2457 01:44:38,899 --> 01:44:43,720 and this river goes through, they tear the house down, and I hate to use just Deb's example. 2458 01:44:43,899 --> 01:44:45,579 It's nothing to do with just Deb. 2459 01:44:46,069 --> 01:44:46,949 It's the whole... 2460 01:44:46,949 --> 01:44:48,189 It's the process that bothers me. 2461 01:44:48,270 --> 01:44:49,250 It's not a personal thing. 2462 01:44:50,380 --> 01:44:57,600 If this river came through where it is now, where Deb's property is, and it starts to wash out the road now, 2463 01:44:58,630 --> 01:45:00,770 are you going to come in and take care of the town road? 2464 01:45:01,010 --> 01:45:03,310 Are they going to take care of the culverts for these people? 2465 01:45:03,510 --> 01:45:04,210 They're not going to do it. 2466 01:45:04,649 --> 01:45:05,029 Right. 2467 01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:08,649 Because as I said, the town's responsible for their roads. 2468 01:45:09,619 --> 01:45:12,539 Just like, you know, there's a culvert that these people want to fix. 2469 01:45:12,539 --> 01:45:15,199 The town's responsible for fixing the culvert, right? 2470 01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:17,920 Eventually, you've got 300 culverts in town. 2471 01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:19,100 We fix them. 2472 01:45:20,489 --> 01:45:22,409 FEMA doesn't come in and take care of that. 2473 01:45:23,130 --> 01:45:24,069 That's what I'm saying. 2474 01:45:25,069 --> 01:45:31,069 And then if FEMA helps us out to flood, they don't give the land to someone else. 2475 01:45:31,569 --> 01:45:32,310 You know what I mean? 2476 01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:36,250 They don't take Dave's land and give it to the town because they helped us. 2477 01:45:36,250 --> 01:45:45,210 Well, a lot of what this vote is, is basically if we're going to allow our residents to be open for federal relief on their property. 2478 01:45:45,310 --> 01:45:46,850 We already wanted to do that. 2479 01:45:47,029 --> 01:45:47,310 We already said... 2480 01:45:47,970 --> 01:45:49,310 So there's another program... 2481 01:45:49,449 --> 01:45:50,510 This is part of federal relief. 2482 01:45:50,510 --> 01:45:51,430 ...that I read, too. 2483 01:45:51,750 --> 01:46:01,270 And so it says if this program comes in, but then there's other programs that will come in and look at the river and mediate the river. 2484 01:46:01,409 --> 01:46:05,489 So would they go up to the neighbors and say, hey, I don't care about what you say. 2485 01:46:05,590 --> 01:46:06,369 This is the river. 2486 01:46:06,970 --> 01:46:08,329 FEMA has control of the river. 2487 01:46:08,409 --> 01:46:09,510 Would they fix that? 2488 01:46:10,050 --> 01:46:12,649 It's about $750,000. 2489 01:46:12,649 --> 01:46:14,970 But it's FEMA's money. 2490 01:46:14,970 --> 01:46:15,710 We wouldn't do it. 2491 01:46:15,930 --> 01:46:16,630 You know what I mean? 2492 01:46:16,729 --> 01:46:18,010 Why wouldn't they do that? 2493 01:46:18,010 --> 01:46:18,649 We wouldn't do it to save... 2494 01:46:19,449 --> 01:46:19,569 $150,000. 2495 01:46:20,050 --> 01:46:21,670 $150,000. 2496 01:46:21,670 --> 01:46:22,069 Why not? 2497 01:46:22,289 --> 01:46:22,710 If this... 2498 01:46:22,710 --> 01:46:23,409 If they're going to... 2499 01:46:23,409 --> 01:46:28,270 I'm pretty sure that the whole town is willing to have one. 2500 01:46:28,590 --> 01:46:32,909 The thing that we're not addressing here, this isn't about the guest house. 2501 01:46:33,170 --> 01:46:35,250 This is exactly what I said at the town meeting. 2502 01:46:35,390 --> 01:46:36,189 It's very simple. 2503 01:46:36,789 --> 01:46:45,569 That does the town want to take on the responsibility of using the tax base and forever having to maintain the property? 2504 01:46:45,930 --> 01:46:49,170 As Mike just said, if the river comes through and takes out the road, 2505 01:46:49,449 --> 01:46:50,949 they're not going to come down and fix it. 2506 01:46:50,949 --> 01:46:52,350 The town has to take it. 2507 01:46:52,350 --> 01:46:54,149 And that could be a town vote. 2508 01:46:54,149 --> 01:46:57,750 If the town did vote, they said, they don't want that responsibility. 2509 01:46:57,750 --> 01:47:00,489 We'd have to fix the road either way. 2510 01:47:00,489 --> 01:47:02,250 Because the house is there. 2511 01:47:02,250 --> 01:47:03,750 They're not answering, who's going to pay for it? 2512 01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:04,949 The town will pay either way. 2513 01:47:04,949 --> 01:47:06,250 Yeah, the town will pay for it. 2514 01:47:06,250 --> 01:47:09,550 So, right now, it's not our responsibility. 2515 01:47:09,550 --> 01:47:12,250 No, I'm not disagreeing that the town will pay either way. 2516 01:47:12,250 --> 01:47:13,550 It's the road that you're careful of. 2517 01:47:13,550 --> 01:47:19,250 You know, I understand that, but I'm just saying that if there's other programs, 2518 01:47:19,449 --> 01:47:23,449 if there's other programs in place to fix this, why do you have to pay for it? 2519 01:47:23,449 --> 01:47:25,449 So, I was, one of the questions I was under, 2520 01:47:25,449 --> 01:47:27,449 Anybody, not just this piece. 2521 01:47:27,449 --> 01:47:31,449 During the process, I believe we asked several questions, two alternatives. 2522 01:47:31,449 --> 01:47:34,449 One of the things we asked, I believe, was extreme alteration. 2523 01:47:34,449 --> 01:47:37,449 And I'm pretty sure Brian McWalters told us, no. 2524 01:47:37,449 --> 01:47:38,449 Right? 2525 01:47:38,449 --> 01:47:40,449 It wouldn't be suitable for this area. 2526 01:47:40,449 --> 01:47:43,449 It was actually Josh Carpenter. 2527 01:47:43,449 --> 01:47:47,449 So, we've asked about alternative methods for this process, I believe. 2528 01:47:47,449 --> 01:47:49,449 I don't know if we've exhausted every effort. 2529 01:47:49,449 --> 01:47:52,449 There has been stream engineers looking at it. 2530 01:47:52,449 --> 01:47:55,449 UWP, have you guys looked into this at all? 2531 01:47:55,449 --> 01:47:59,829 Emergency Watershed Protection Program? 2532 01:47:59,829 --> 01:48:01,569 No. 2533 01:48:01,569 --> 01:48:06,569 It's, uh, reduce the reach of stream channels, road collars, and bridges. 2534 01:48:06,569 --> 01:48:08,569 Reshape and protect the road and stream veins. 2535 01:48:08,569 --> 01:48:11,569 Correct damage or destroy drainage facilities. 2536 01:48:11,569 --> 01:48:15,569 Establish vegetation cover on critical and growing lands. 2537 01:48:15,569 --> 01:48:17,569 Repair levees and structures. 2538 01:48:17,569 --> 01:48:19,569 Repair certain conservation practices. 2539 01:48:19,569 --> 01:48:24,760 And purchase of EWP buyouts. 2540 01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:30,760 So, for this particular property, I don't know that there's anyone going to sign up on a stream loan. 2541 01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:33,760 We did ask. 2542 01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:35,760 I mean, I was looking for a recording of these. 2543 01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:36,760 I thought we had recorded them. 2544 01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:39,760 There was, like, a manuscript typed out for one of them. 2545 01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:42,760 But it's very, like, the words are all wrong in it. 2546 01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:43,760 And it's kind of... 2547 01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:47,760 I remember a person saying the other programs they didn't want to talk about. 2548 01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:48,760 They were just... 2549 01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:49,760 That program. 2550 01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:50,760 Look, that was his program. 2551 01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:51,760 You know? 2552 01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:52,760 What? 2553 01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:53,760 That was that one program. 2554 01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:55,760 They said, well, we can't talk about these other programs. 2555 01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,760 The match one was the 25% match. 2556 01:48:58,760 --> 01:48:59,760 And so on. 2557 01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:04,920 I do remember him saying, look, we're not going to talk about this other program because that's a different program. 2558 01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:05,920 That's somebody else's. 2559 01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:08,920 So, we couldn't get answers for that particular program. 2560 01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:09,920 This program. 2561 01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:12,920 They didn't seem to have any interest in anything but getting this project. 2562 01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:13,920 This program. 2563 01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:14,920 Right. 2564 01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:17,920 So, this program, they said, yeah, we can't do anything. 2565 01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:21,079 We don't have any money, you know, repairing or anything. 2566 01:49:21,079 --> 01:49:22,079 But there's... 2567 01:49:22,079 --> 01:49:23,079 I just don't know. 2568 01:49:23,079 --> 01:49:24,079 I mean, what are the alternatives for the property? 2569 01:49:24,079 --> 01:49:25,079 Yeah. 2570 01:49:25,079 --> 01:49:26,079 They can't do a stream alteration there. 2571 01:49:26,079 --> 01:49:27,079 They're not going to do one. 2572 01:49:27,079 --> 01:49:28,079 That would break through Dargie's property. 2573 01:49:28,079 --> 01:49:29,079 Destroy it. 2574 01:49:29,079 --> 01:49:30,079 I'm sorry. 2575 01:49:30,079 --> 01:49:31,079 I'm sorry. 2576 01:49:31,079 --> 01:49:32,750 I moved on. 2577 01:49:32,750 --> 01:49:33,850 And the stream... 2578 01:49:33,850 --> 01:49:34,850 Well, we got it solved. 2579 01:49:34,850 --> 01:49:35,850 That's the one thing. 2580 01:49:35,850 --> 01:49:36,850 Go back to the original course. 2581 01:49:36,850 --> 01:49:37,850 It didn't take out Dargie's property then. 2582 01:49:37,850 --> 01:49:38,850 Well, it's real close now, Dave. 2583 01:49:38,850 --> 01:49:39,850 You can read it right out. 2584 01:49:39,850 --> 01:49:40,850 Yes. 2585 01:49:40,850 --> 01:49:41,850 My first thought... 2586 01:49:41,850 --> 01:49:42,850 They had moved the stream over close. 2587 01:49:42,850 --> 01:49:43,850 My first thought was... 2588 01:49:43,850 --> 01:49:44,850 They had moved the stream over close. 2589 01:49:44,850 --> 01:49:45,850 They had moved the stream over close. 2590 01:49:45,850 --> 01:49:48,850 The stream's been moving on its own. 2591 01:49:48,850 --> 01:49:51,850 It hasn't been physically moved by the stream. 2592 01:49:51,850 --> 01:49:54,850 But the next thing is... 2593 01:49:54,850 --> 01:50:00,850 So the next step is we're arguing about a river and can it be fixed. 2594 01:50:00,850 --> 01:50:01,850 Can it be fixed? 2595 01:50:01,850 --> 01:50:02,850 Because bottom line is we're not engineers. 2596 01:50:02,850 --> 01:50:03,850 No, we're not. 2597 01:50:03,850 --> 01:50:04,850 And I'm not an engineer. 2598 01:50:04,850 --> 01:50:05,850 I play one on TV but I'm not an engineer. 2599 01:50:05,850 --> 01:50:06,850 I'm just saying once we go down this path... 2600 01:50:06,850 --> 01:50:07,850 There's a deal. 2601 01:50:07,850 --> 01:50:08,850 There's a deal. 2602 01:50:08,850 --> 01:50:09,850 There's a deal. 2603 01:50:09,850 --> 01:50:10,850 There's a deal. 2604 01:50:10,850 --> 01:50:11,850 There's a deal. 2605 01:50:11,850 --> 01:50:12,850 There's a deal. 2606 01:50:12,850 --> 01:50:13,850 There's a deal. 2607 01:50:13,850 --> 01:50:14,850 There's a deal. 2608 01:50:14,850 --> 01:50:15,850 There's a deal. 2609 01:50:15,850 --> 01:50:15,930 There's a deal. 2610 01:50:16,010 --> 01:50:19,829 And way back when we, I believe it might have been Dave said, 2611 01:50:19,829 --> 01:50:24,329 how can we tell the next person and the next person no? 2612 01:50:24,989 --> 01:50:27,189 If we don't know, we're not engineers. 2613 01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:30,250 If FEMA comes in and says, yep, you're eligible and we're going to do this, 2614 01:50:30,710 --> 01:50:32,170 and we go, well, we don't want that one. 2615 01:50:32,810 --> 01:50:34,130 Well, like I said before. 2616 01:50:34,130 --> 01:50:35,090 I'm nervous about that. 2617 01:50:35,090 --> 01:50:36,090 It works both ways. 2618 01:50:36,090 --> 01:50:39,430 Once we say no, once we say no, we can't, we shouldn't be able to say yes. 2619 01:50:39,430 --> 01:50:41,090 And once we say yes, we shouldn't be able to say no. 2620 01:50:41,090 --> 01:50:41,250 Right. 2621 01:50:41,670 --> 01:50:41,930 So. 2622 01:50:42,390 --> 01:50:43,529 Why do you have insurance? 2623 01:50:43,529 --> 01:50:47,430 Why don't we go through the flood program to get it enacted? 2624 01:50:47,930 --> 01:50:49,529 The debt came in 10 years ago. 2625 01:50:49,529 --> 01:50:51,590 We're concerned about not having flood insurance, 2626 01:50:51,949 --> 01:50:55,189 which we spent a lot of time getting flood insurance. 2627 01:50:55,529 --> 01:50:56,489 We got some people. 2628 01:50:56,489 --> 01:50:57,430 Flood insurance doesn't cover this, Dave. 2629 01:50:57,869 --> 01:50:58,130 What? 2630 01:50:58,130 --> 01:51:00,810 It covers it when your house floats away. 2631 01:51:01,310 --> 01:51:01,770 Trust me. 2632 01:51:01,770 --> 01:51:03,229 And it only covers your mortgage. 2633 01:51:03,229 --> 01:51:03,850 It doesn't have to go. 2634 01:51:03,850 --> 01:51:06,649 I'd like to count the number of houses in this town that get water. 2635 01:51:07,090 --> 01:51:10,229 Irene, I can count 50 of them that get water. 2636 01:51:10,229 --> 01:51:11,789 I watched water go through. 2637 01:51:11,949 --> 01:51:12,289 So. 2638 01:51:12,369 --> 01:51:12,810 Across. 2639 01:51:12,810 --> 01:51:13,390 Let me finish. 2640 01:51:13,390 --> 01:51:13,489 So. 2641 01:51:13,529 --> 01:51:14,010 Across the road. 2642 01:51:14,010 --> 01:51:15,210 You get to talk too much. 2643 01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:15,930 I have a question. 2644 01:51:16,229 --> 01:51:17,649 That's very rude and unacceptable. 2645 01:51:17,649 --> 01:51:19,409 Dave, Dave, Dave. 2646 01:51:19,710 --> 01:51:20,050 Hold on. 2647 01:51:20,050 --> 01:51:20,390 Unacceptable. 2648 01:51:20,670 --> 01:51:21,350 Well, too bad. 2649 01:51:21,930 --> 01:51:23,029 Do I have to pull it out? 2650 01:51:23,149 --> 01:51:23,750 One of the other. 2651 01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:25,189 Do I have to pull it out? 2652 01:51:25,689 --> 01:51:26,210 Hold on. 2653 01:51:26,329 --> 01:51:27,670 One of the other. 2654 01:51:27,770 --> 01:51:28,489 Dave, finish. 2655 01:51:28,829 --> 01:51:29,550 Finish, please. 2656 01:51:30,050 --> 01:51:30,489 Finish. 2657 01:51:31,229 --> 01:51:37,569 So, bottom line simply is that, for instance, my property is in a floodplain across the road. 2658 01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:40,760 A gentleman, I wanted to buy that land to build on. 2659 01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:43,279 I was sold out of town 30 years ago, but I could not. 2660 01:51:43,399 --> 01:51:44,119 It's in a floodplain. 2661 01:51:44,119 --> 01:51:48,760 Another gentleman, by the name of Paige, that came in, got a permit from the state, 2662 01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:53,000 went in and altered the rivers, three of them, that flowed through my property. 2663 01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:58,680 He altered the river, which really made it worse for the people upstream, but he got 2664 01:51:58,680 --> 01:51:59,680 his housing. 2665 01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:01,479 I was able to stop the rest of them. 2666 01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:02,479 Nancy, you remember this. 2667 01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:04,479 I mean, that's one of the reasons I'm here. 2668 01:52:04,479 --> 01:52:10,500 And the bottom line is, you can get a permit to alter the rivers. 2669 01:52:10,500 --> 01:52:12,500 If they come down there, do it all the time. 2670 01:52:12,500 --> 01:52:14,500 So, I'm in the process of . 2671 01:52:14,500 --> 01:52:24,409 I understand the permit process for stream alterations is basically for emergency uses only. 2672 01:52:24,409 --> 01:52:25,409 It's not a permanent . 2673 01:52:25,409 --> 01:52:26,859 But that's the way I read it. 2674 01:52:26,859 --> 01:52:27,859 I love it. 2675 01:52:27,859 --> 01:52:32,859 Well, that program I read, that's a FEMA program that comes in and looks and does operations 2676 01:52:32,859 --> 01:52:33,859 and elevations. 2677 01:52:33,859 --> 01:52:34,859 They can elevate the house. 2678 01:52:34,859 --> 01:52:36,109 Absolutely. 2679 01:52:36,109 --> 01:52:37,109 That was a match with . 2680 01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:38,109 With this property, I agree you can elevate some houses. 2681 01:52:38,109 --> 01:52:39,109 I don't know. 2682 01:52:39,109 --> 01:52:40,109 With this specific property, there's nowhere left to elevate the house. 2683 01:52:40,109 --> 01:52:41,109 Right. 2684 01:52:41,109 --> 01:52:42,109 You can go to the property. 2685 01:52:42,109 --> 01:52:43,109 You can go to the property. 2686 01:52:43,109 --> 01:52:44,109 You can go to the property. 2687 01:52:44,109 --> 01:52:45,109 You can go to the property. 2688 01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:46,109 You can go to the property. 2689 01:52:46,109 --> 01:52:47,109 You can go to the property. 2690 01:52:47,109 --> 01:52:48,109 You can go to the property. 2691 01:52:48,109 --> 01:52:49,109 You can go to the property. 2692 01:52:49,109 --> 01:52:50,109 You can go to the property. 2693 01:52:50,109 --> 01:52:51,109 You can go to the property. 2694 01:52:51,109 --> 01:52:52,109 You can go to the property. 2695 01:52:52,109 --> 01:52:53,109 And see how the river has already meandered. 2696 01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:54,109 And chewed gray into the entire property. 2697 01:52:54,109 --> 01:52:55,109 Wait. 2698 01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:56,109 Wait. 2699 01:52:56,109 --> 01:52:57,109 Hold on. 2700 01:52:57,109 --> 01:52:58,109 It's meandered and chewed gray into the entire property. 2701 01:52:58,109 --> 01:52:59,109 The septic tank is going to be exposed probably on the next storm. 2702 01:52:59,109 --> 01:53:04,109 I'm not saying that they cannot elevate the property. 2703 01:53:04,109 --> 01:53:10,109 I said, there's a program that says that they can elevate properties and do mediation. 2704 01:53:10,109 --> 01:53:11,109 Right. 2705 01:53:11,109 --> 01:53:14,109 I don't even know what that program . 2706 01:53:14,109 --> 01:53:15,109 Yeah. 2707 01:53:15,109 --> 01:53:16,109 Well, it's 25% match. 2708 01:53:16,109 --> 01:53:17,109 And it's 25% off. 2709 01:53:17,109 --> 01:53:22,109 match and it costs less money than tearing the house down and giving it back to the town, 2710 01:53:22,109 --> 01:53:23,109 it's worth it. 2711 01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:27,109 Yeah, but a 25% match is probably going to be more than if we ripped 15 houses down. 2712 01:53:27,109 --> 01:53:28,109 I don't know. 2713 01:53:28,109 --> 01:53:29,109 I don't know. 2714 01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:30,109 That's what I'm saying. 2715 01:53:30,109 --> 01:53:31,109 On the tax base. 2716 01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:32,109 Is that our 25%? 2717 01:53:32,109 --> 01:53:33,109 Right. 2718 01:53:33,109 --> 01:53:34,109 That's what I'm saying. 2719 01:53:34,109 --> 01:53:35,109 Or I think it's the landowner. 2720 01:53:35,109 --> 01:53:40,180 You know, I don't know anything about, like I said, I'm not an engineer. 2721 01:53:40,180 --> 01:53:43,180 I don't know what it would take to fix that. 2722 01:53:43,180 --> 01:53:44,180 I'm not either. 2723 01:53:44,180 --> 01:53:47,180 That's what I'm saying. 2724 01:53:47,180 --> 01:53:48,180 I don't know. 2725 01:53:48,180 --> 01:53:49,180 I don't know. 2726 01:53:49,180 --> 01:53:50,180 That's what I'm saying. 2727 01:53:50,180 --> 01:53:51,180 You know, I don't know. 2728 01:53:51,180 --> 01:53:52,720 I don't know. 2729 01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:53,720 I think that's what I'm saying. 2730 01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:54,720 It's just, it's just going to cost me money. 2731 01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:55,720 The whole process sucks, but it seems to me that 25% match to one project is going to 2732 01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:56,720 be more than taking 15 houses off the taxes. 2733 01:53:56,720 --> 01:53:57,720 I mean, maybe, I'm not that great at math, but that's what. 2734 01:53:57,720 --> 01:53:58,720 I think that you just mentioned it's $700,000 and 25% of that. 2735 01:53:58,720 --> 01:53:59,720 That's what, $150. 2736 01:53:59,720 --> 01:54:00,720 One house off the tax would make. 2737 01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:01,720 That's what spending money on a house. 2738 01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:02,720 How many houses are taken on ?? 2739 01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:03,720 Five thousand. 2740 01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:04,720 Five thousand. 2741 01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:05,720 For one, there's not. 2742 01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:06,720 Two of the names have their house. 2743 01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:07,720 This one's gone. 2744 01:54:14,850 --> 01:54:23,180 I mean, let's look at reality of this particular situation, right? 2745 01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:24,979 That house is going to go. 2746 01:54:25,739 --> 01:54:26,739 It's going to go. 2747 01:54:27,869 --> 01:54:33,850 And then the town's going to pay a tear down because I'm sure, just by guessing, 2748 01:54:34,770 --> 01:54:38,069 they're just going to be abandoned if nobody's going to help, right? 2749 01:54:39,439 --> 01:54:42,319 Is it going to go up against our bridge, too? 2750 01:54:43,020 --> 01:54:44,520 It's going in the river. 2751 01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:48,979 I don't know exactly what it's going to do, but I can tell you from the road, 2752 01:54:49,060 --> 01:54:54,300 I haven't gone up to it, that more than likely, if nothing is done, it's not going to take long. 2753 01:54:54,539 --> 01:54:57,600 I mean, a big chunk of it was gone more this spring. 2754 01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:01,220 A couple years, I mean, a couple good storms. 2755 01:55:01,399 --> 01:55:02,720 Who really knows? 2756 01:55:03,079 --> 01:55:09,000 But, I mean, I believe that that particular house is going to be in the river sooner than later. 2757 01:55:09,100 --> 01:55:10,500 Like, it's a reality, right? 2758 01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:12,399 We don't know about the rest of them. 2759 01:55:12,859 --> 01:55:14,819 I don't think the town should create. 2760 01:55:14,939 --> 01:55:17,979 I don't think there's going to be any rules of its own on who you're going to help and who you're not going to help. 2761 01:55:18,119 --> 01:55:24,220 I think FEMA's already come up with their own algorithm or whatever they've got, their own specifications. 2762 01:55:24,220 --> 01:55:30,159 So, I'm also under the opinion, if you correct me if I'm wrong on this one, 2763 01:55:30,380 --> 01:55:36,140 that the project that we signed in the first place says we can pull out that engine. 2764 01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:37,020 Correct. 2765 01:55:37,340 --> 01:55:37,939 Is that true? 2766 01:55:38,020 --> 01:55:38,199 Yeah. 2767 01:55:40,100 --> 01:55:42,800 So, that is a compromise. 2768 01:55:43,699 --> 01:55:43,899 Okay. 2769 01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:47,380 So, you say, okay, well, we're going to go forward with one project. 2770 01:55:47,579 --> 01:55:50,239 And we say, we don't like the way this went. 2771 01:55:52,399 --> 01:55:53,659 I'm not saying that we would. 2772 01:55:54,869 --> 01:55:57,689 And, again, this is nothing to do with one person. 2773 01:55:57,829 --> 01:55:58,430 I agree. 2774 01:55:58,670 --> 01:55:59,729 I mean, it looks terrible. 2775 01:55:59,869 --> 01:56:00,810 I agree. 2776 01:56:01,659 --> 01:56:04,260 I just don't want the town responsible. 2777 01:56:05,060 --> 01:56:06,399 I'm looking out for the town. 2778 01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:07,760 Just like the hand with the sign. 2779 01:56:08,359 --> 01:56:11,699 I tell you, as far as I'm concerned, you know, I hate to go back to the sign. 2780 01:56:12,380 --> 01:56:14,359 I don't like the sign particularly. 2781 01:56:14,359 --> 01:56:15,579 I don't think it's that great. 2782 01:56:15,779 --> 01:56:16,739 But that's not the point. 2783 01:56:17,279 --> 01:56:18,359 And the same thing with this. 2784 01:56:18,939 --> 01:56:22,739 I'm trying to just look and say, look, before we move quick, 2785 01:56:23,539 --> 01:56:26,119 and I know it might need a little speed, 2786 01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:31,199 but we've got to look at everything, you know, for the good of the town. 2787 01:56:31,399 --> 01:56:32,880 I agree with you. 2788 01:56:33,380 --> 01:56:37,409 I don't want to see houses taken off the tax roll any more than anybody else does. 2789 01:56:37,529 --> 01:56:40,489 But, in my opinion, just looking at this, it seems pretty obvious 2790 01:56:40,489 --> 01:56:43,710 you're going to lose this house anyways off the tax roll. 2791 01:56:43,989 --> 01:56:48,760 Well, we won't have to take care of it. 2792 01:56:49,159 --> 01:56:49,840 Well, we might. 2793 01:56:50,119 --> 01:56:50,859 They abandoned it. 2794 01:56:50,859 --> 01:56:52,500 No, we won't have to take care of it. 2795 01:56:52,500 --> 01:56:53,979 I had my hand up for it. 2796 01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:56,600 This is my town meeting all over again. 2797 01:56:56,659 --> 01:56:57,560 I've had my hand up. 2798 01:56:57,899 --> 01:56:59,659 There is no maintenance of the land. 2799 01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:01,420 There's no maintenance of the land. 2800 01:57:01,539 --> 01:57:04,460 You can let the land do whatever the land is going to do all on its own. 2801 01:57:04,539 --> 01:57:06,579 You don't have to mow it or maintain it or anything. 2802 01:57:06,979 --> 01:57:08,279 It can turn back into a river. 2803 01:57:08,439 --> 01:57:09,000 It can be wetlands. 2804 01:57:09,060 --> 01:57:09,899 You can have trees drawn. 2805 01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:13,000 There's no maintenance to the property. 2806 01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:15,640 That's absolutely true. 2807 01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:18,899 Dave, Dad's step four. 2808 01:57:19,300 --> 01:57:21,000 I have asked you guys also. 2809 01:57:21,239 --> 01:57:25,539 Did anybody look into us being the caretakers for the property 2810 01:57:25,539 --> 01:57:29,899 and also paying for any costs of maintenance? 2811 01:57:30,119 --> 01:57:30,579 Did anyone? 2812 01:57:31,039 --> 01:57:33,159 That was a discussion from two weeks ago. 2813 01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:34,859 What did you ask? 2814 01:57:35,039 --> 01:57:39,920 If we could be caretakers, our family, for the property. 2815 01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:42,119 I don't withhold insurance for it. 2816 01:57:42,460 --> 01:57:43,579 We would maintain it. 2817 01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:46,140 If anything needs to be done, we would do it. 2818 01:57:46,140 --> 01:57:49,600 I think if I just ask you, it has to go back to the town. 2819 01:57:49,619 --> 01:57:51,479 Yeah, it does have to go back to the town. 2820 01:57:51,500 --> 01:58:00,500 The only way we can see that, I think, is either to a non-profit or a conservation agency. 2821 01:58:00,500 --> 01:58:05,220 A conservation, right, Trouts Unlimited, I looked into that, they can't do it. 2822 01:58:05,220 --> 01:58:07,460 They have no funds for this right now. 2823 01:58:07,460 --> 01:58:15,460 There are conservations that will take it over so the town, you can just deed it directly to a conservation agency. 2824 01:58:15,460 --> 01:58:16,819 It doesn't have to be anything. 2825 01:58:16,819 --> 01:58:18,819 What it's going to be is the bottom of the river, right? 2826 01:58:18,819 --> 01:58:20,819 Can we do that if the power homes it? 2827 01:58:20,819 --> 01:58:22,819 If FEMA gives it to us, can we give it to them? 2828 01:58:22,819 --> 01:58:24,819 You could deed it. 2829 01:58:24,819 --> 01:58:35,819 In fact, there are instances where the non-profits have come into conservation and kind of just eliminated the town completely and gone through the process. 2830 01:58:35,819 --> 01:58:40,819 But the town, once the town gives it from FEMA, they can give it to us? 2831 01:58:40,819 --> 01:58:42,819 You may not be part of that. 2832 01:58:42,819 --> 01:58:45,819 I think you have to go through this process. 2833 01:58:45,819 --> 01:58:47,819 Before we get to that? 2834 01:58:47,819 --> 01:58:48,819 Yeah. 2835 01:58:48,819 --> 01:58:49,819 We can't do it right here. 2836 01:58:49,819 --> 01:58:50,819 Okay. 2837 01:58:50,819 --> 01:58:52,819 In some of the process. 2838 01:58:52,819 --> 01:58:54,819 Trouts Unlimited. 2839 01:58:54,819 --> 01:58:58,819 Can we go back to these two forms? 2840 01:58:58,819 --> 01:59:00,819 This is all we're here for. 2841 01:59:00,819 --> 01:59:05,579 Two forms that need to have the town signature on. 2842 01:59:05,579 --> 01:59:10,579 So, whether, we don't know if FEMA's going to accept your property. 2843 01:59:10,579 --> 01:59:12,810 They haven't said yes. 2844 01:59:12,810 --> 01:59:14,810 We're just going down the process. 2845 01:59:14,810 --> 01:59:20,810 We voted probably six, four, six months ago that we're going to, 2846 01:59:20,810 --> 01:59:26,810 allow or go into this FEMA program knowing we can back out any time. 2847 01:59:26,810 --> 01:59:28,810 So, now we have two forms that need to be signed. 2848 01:59:28,810 --> 01:59:34,810 Deb's got to take pictures of the property that has been, my portion's been done. 2849 01:59:34,810 --> 01:59:35,810 Okay. 2850 01:59:35,810 --> 01:59:39,810 One thing, if they don't accept this property, we know that we're going to have to go in and sign it forward. 2851 01:59:39,810 --> 01:59:40,810 Correct. 2852 01:59:40,810 --> 01:59:41,810 No, you won't. 2853 01:59:41,810 --> 01:59:42,810 Because there's no other property. 2854 01:59:42,810 --> 01:59:43,810 That's not bad. 2855 01:59:43,810 --> 01:59:45,810 Sheila. 2856 01:59:45,810 --> 01:59:49,810 So, if this, there's other houses, like my house. 2857 01:59:49,810 --> 01:59:53,810 I'm up on top of Lincoln Road, which now is Autumn Lane. 2858 01:59:53,810 --> 01:59:57,810 And that, we have to have a sump pump in there all the time. 2859 01:59:57,810 --> 02:00:02,810 And as soon as it is, as it's raining out here, we got rain all over our ankles. 2860 02:00:02,810 --> 02:00:05,810 And that, and going up halfway up our legs with water. 2861 02:00:05,810 --> 02:00:10,189 And that, and will we be allowed to do that? 2862 02:00:10,189 --> 02:00:11,189 Are you in the river corridor? 2863 02:00:11,189 --> 02:00:12,189 Are you in the river corridor? 2864 02:00:12,189 --> 02:00:13,189 It doesn't have to be. 2865 02:00:13,189 --> 02:00:14,189 FEMA will allow that. 2866 02:00:14,189 --> 02:00:15,189 Not according to this form. 2867 02:00:15,189 --> 02:00:16,189 No. 2868 02:00:16,189 --> 02:00:17,189 This program. 2869 02:00:17,189 --> 02:00:18,189 Not this program. 2870 02:00:18,189 --> 02:00:19,189 I mean. 2871 02:00:19,189 --> 02:00:20,189 . 2872 02:00:20,189 --> 02:00:21,189 We're not going to allow water damage. 2873 02:00:21,189 --> 02:00:22,189 Right. 2874 02:00:22,189 --> 02:00:23,189 Outside the river corridor. 2875 02:00:23,189 --> 02:00:24,189 When Beacon built that house. 2876 02:00:24,189 --> 02:00:25,189 Go by the house and say. 2877 02:00:25,189 --> 02:00:26,189 Wait a minute, Dave. 2878 02:00:26,189 --> 02:00:27,189 Sorry. 2879 02:00:27,189 --> 02:00:28,189 When Beacon Miles built that house, she was upstairs in the, in the upstairs bedroom. 2880 02:00:28,189 --> 02:00:29,449 She came down and fell off of one of it. 2881 02:00:29,449 --> 02:00:30,449 Went down into the cellar stairway. 2882 02:00:30,449 --> 02:00:31,449 Never hit the floor. 2883 02:00:31,449 --> 02:00:32,510 That's how much. 2884 02:00:32,510 --> 02:00:33,699 We haven't gone to a whole. 2885 02:00:33,699 --> 02:00:34,699 What we have is our furnace. 2886 02:00:34,699 --> 02:00:35,699 Our water. 2887 02:00:35,699 --> 02:00:36,699 Our cement slab. 2888 02:00:36,699 --> 02:00:37,699 That house. 2889 02:00:37,699 --> 02:00:38,699 And I've had, I've had it go up. 2890 02:00:38,699 --> 02:00:39,699 . 2891 02:00:39,699 --> 02:00:41,859 A lot, a lot of houses. 2892 02:00:41,859 --> 02:00:42,859 . 2893 02:00:42,859 --> 02:00:44,210 . 2894 02:00:44,210 --> 02:00:45,210 . 2895 02:00:45,210 --> 02:00:46,210 . 2896 02:00:46,210 --> 02:00:49,350 . 2897 02:00:49,350 --> 02:00:50,579 . 2898 02:00:50,579 --> 02:00:51,579 . 2899 02:00:51,579 --> 02:00:54,109 . 2900 02:00:54,109 --> 02:00:55,109 . 2901 02:00:55,109 --> 02:00:57,390 . 2902 02:00:57,390 --> 02:00:58,390 . 2903 02:00:58,390 --> 02:00:59,390 . 2904 02:00:59,390 --> 02:01:00,390 . 2905 02:01:00,390 --> 02:01:01,390 . 2906 02:01:01,390 --> 02:01:02,390 . 2907 02:01:02,390 --> 02:01:03,810 . 2908 02:01:03,810 --> 02:01:04,810 . 2909 02:01:04,810 --> 02:01:05,810 . 2910 02:01:05,810 --> 02:01:06,810 . 2911 02:01:06,810 --> 02:01:07,810 . 2912 02:01:07,810 --> 02:01:08,810 . 2913 02:01:08,810 --> 02:01:11,760 . 2914 02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:12,760 . 2915 02:01:12,760 --> 02:01:13,760 . 2916 02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:14,760 . 2917 02:01:14,760 --> 02:01:20,850 . 2918 02:01:20,850 --> 02:01:21,850 . 2919 02:01:21,850 --> 02:01:22,850 . 2920 02:01:22,850 --> 02:01:23,850 . 2921 02:01:23,850 --> 02:01:24,850 . 2922 02:01:24,850 --> 02:01:25,850 . 2923 02:01:25,850 --> 02:01:26,850 . 2924 02:01:26,850 --> 02:01:27,850 . 2925 02:01:27,850 --> 02:01:28,909 . 2926 02:01:28,909 --> 02:01:29,909 . 2927 02:01:29,909 --> 02:01:30,909 . 2928 02:01:30,909 --> 02:01:31,909 . 2929 02:01:31,909 --> 02:01:32,909 . 2930 02:01:32,909 --> 02:01:33,909 . 2931 02:01:33,909 --> 02:01:40,909 Do we have to make a motion to sign the forms and we've already made several motions to 2932 02:01:40,909 --> 02:01:45,909 continue on, so by signing the forms it's just a continuance of continuing on, isn't 2933 02:01:45,909 --> 02:01:46,909 it? 2934 02:01:46,909 --> 02:01:47,909 Do we need a motion? 2935 02:01:47,909 --> 02:01:48,909 We're already continuing. 2936 02:01:48,909 --> 02:01:56,939 I mean, if we want to un-continue, someone can motion that, but, I mean, we're already 2937 02:01:56,939 --> 02:01:57,939 continuing this motion. 2938 02:01:57,939 --> 02:01:59,939 I guess it's part of the process and we'll find a plan. 2939 02:01:59,939 --> 02:02:01,939 We've motioned twice to continue already. 2940 02:02:01,939 --> 02:02:03,939 We want to un-continue. 2941 02:02:03,939 --> 02:02:10,289 So, we're going to sign the forms then? 2942 02:02:10,289 --> 02:02:13,760 I guess we are. 2943 02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:15,430 Kurt? 2944 02:02:15,430 --> 02:02:18,420 I don't know about the rules. 2945 02:02:18,420 --> 02:02:20,420 I mean, do we need a motion to sign the forms? 2946 02:02:20,420 --> 02:02:23,420 I thought we've already motioned twice to continue on. 2947 02:02:23,420 --> 02:02:25,489 So, I just see it as a process. 2948 02:02:25,489 --> 02:02:27,489 We've motioned a lot of other stuff, so. 2949 02:02:27,489 --> 02:02:30,130 I just see it as a process of continuing on. 2950 02:02:30,130 --> 02:02:32,130 Go ahead and make a motion. 2951 02:02:32,130 --> 02:02:34,020 Make a motion to sign or something? 2952 02:02:34,020 --> 02:02:36,020 Make a motion to not sign. 2953 02:02:36,020 --> 02:02:38,180 We've already made a motion to continue on. 2954 02:02:38,180 --> 02:02:39,180 Okay. 2955 02:02:39,180 --> 02:02:41,180 Then, if that's your feeling, go with it. 2956 02:02:41,180 --> 02:02:45,649 Do you have the motion signature on the sign? 2957 02:02:45,649 --> 02:02:47,649 You're already starting to sound like me. 2958 02:02:47,649 --> 02:02:48,649 I know. 2959 02:02:48,649 --> 02:02:49,649 It's running off. 2960 02:02:49,649 --> 02:02:51,680 You know what I'm saying, though, right? 2961 02:02:51,680 --> 02:02:53,680 Do we need to make a motion to continue? 2962 02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:55,680 We've already made two motions to continue. 2963 02:02:55,680 --> 02:03:00,270 What do you think we'll go for? 2964 02:03:00,270 --> 02:03:04,270 We're very, very, very, very cautionably. 2965 02:03:04,270 --> 02:03:07,159 How's that? 2966 02:03:07,159 --> 02:03:08,159 Okay. 2967 02:03:08,159 --> 02:03:10,159 We will go through this process. 2968 02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:15,289 We will look at it, and if it doesn't go well, we will know this is a learning curve. 2969 02:03:15,289 --> 02:03:16,510 Let's go forward. 2970 02:03:16,510 --> 02:03:17,510 We already voted for it before. 2971 02:03:17,510 --> 02:03:18,510 Let's do this. 2972 02:03:18,510 --> 02:03:19,510 We'll go forward. 2973 02:03:19,510 --> 02:03:20,510 I'm very cautious about this. 2974 02:03:20,510 --> 02:03:21,510 I'm not happy about it. 2975 02:03:21,510 --> 02:03:22,510 I'll make the motion to move this forward for now. 2976 02:03:22,510 --> 02:03:23,510 All in favor? 2977 02:03:23,510 --> 02:03:24,510 No. 2978 02:03:24,510 --> 02:03:25,510 Well, I'm abstaining. 2979 02:03:25,510 --> 02:03:26,510 I'm abstaining. 2980 02:03:26,510 --> 02:03:27,510 I have to abstain. 2981 02:03:27,510 --> 02:03:28,510 I'm sorry. 2982 02:03:28,510 --> 02:03:29,510 Well, either way, she abstains. 2983 02:03:29,510 --> 02:03:32,939 It's the whole house. 2984 02:03:32,939 --> 02:03:37,180 So, what does that leave us with, Todd? 2985 02:03:37,180 --> 02:03:38,180 It's not passed. 2986 02:03:38,180 --> 02:03:39,180 Nothing. 2987 02:03:39,180 --> 02:03:40,180 Okay. 2988 02:03:40,180 --> 02:03:41,180 Thank you. 2989 02:03:41,180 --> 02:03:42,180 Thank you. 2990 02:03:42,180 --> 02:03:43,430 Thank you. 2991 02:03:43,430 --> 02:03:44,430 Thank you. 2992 02:03:44,430 --> 02:03:45,430 Thank you. 2993 02:03:45,430 --> 02:03:46,430 Thank you. 2994 02:03:46,430 --> 02:03:47,430 Thank you. 2995 02:03:47,430 --> 02:03:49,329 Thank you. 2996 02:03:49,329 --> 02:03:50,329 Thank you. 2997 02:03:50,329 --> 02:03:51,329 Thank you. 2998 02:03:51,329 --> 02:03:52,329 Thank you. 2999 02:03:52,329 --> 02:03:53,329 Thank you. 3000 02:03:53,329 --> 02:03:54,329 Thank you. 3001 02:03:54,329 --> 02:04:07,520 Thank you. 3002 02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:08,520 Thank you. 3003 02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:09,520 Thank you. 3004 02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:10,739 Thank you. 3005 02:04:10,739 --> 02:04:14,140 Thank you. 3006 02:04:14,140 --> 02:04:15,340 Thank you. 3007 02:04:15,340 --> 02:04:16,340 Thank you. 3008 02:04:16,340 --> 02:04:19,100 Thank you. 3009 02:04:19,100 --> 02:04:20,100 Thank you. 3010 02:04:20,100 --> 02:04:21,899 Thank you. 3011 02:04:21,899 --> 02:04:22,899 Thank you. 3012 02:04:22,899 --> 02:04:23,960 We passed. 3013 02:04:23,960 --> 02:04:24,960 We had a model deed and one said this is a voluntary commitment, is it formed. 3014 02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:26,149 Means you're not being paid for it, nobody's holding a gun to your head. 3015 02:04:26,149 --> 02:04:27,149 Voters in majority line-up. 3016 02:04:27,149 --> 02:04:36,409 Yeah, thanks, Bill. 3017 02:04:36,409 --> 02:04:37,409 One of the process is that, basically. 3018 02:04:37,409 --> 02:04:38,409 Going forward, the entire town is not allowed to participate in this programs. 3019 02:04:38,409 --> 02:04:39,439 Nobody else. 3020 02:04:39,439 --> 02:04:40,439 Apparently not. 3021 02:04:40,439 --> 02:04:41,439 Nobody else. 3022 02:04:41,439 --> 02:04:42,439 I want to make that very clear. 3023 02:04:42,439 --> 02:04:43,439 A petition could be put in by… 3024 02:04:43,439 --> 02:04:45,439 Well it did, it all came from Ronald серьез about a pieces of construction. 3025 02:04:45,439 --> 02:04:46,439 No, noLE vino. 3026 02:04:46,439 --> 02:04:52,439 Well, we did the first motion was we wanted to participate. 3027 02:04:52,439 --> 02:04:54,439 Right, and we made that motion. 3028 02:04:54,439 --> 02:04:55,439 And that passed. 3029 02:04:55,439 --> 02:04:59,439 We just voted not to sign papers for a particular person. 3030 02:04:59,439 --> 02:05:01,699 Right. 3031 02:05:01,699 --> 02:05:03,699 Well, that's pretty discriminating. 3032 02:05:03,699 --> 02:05:05,699 That is unbelievably discriminating. 3033 02:05:05,699 --> 02:05:06,699 Yeah. 3034 02:05:06,699 --> 02:05:08,699 That is one particular person. 3035 02:05:08,699 --> 02:05:15,699 This is what the FEMA project said. 3036 02:05:15,699 --> 02:05:18,699 We can say yes or no to each individual one. 3037 02:05:18,699 --> 02:05:20,699 Yeah, that's what I've been saying a lot. 3038 02:05:20,699 --> 02:05:21,699 It's a case-by-case basis. 3039 02:05:21,699 --> 02:05:23,699 I don't want the committee to know. 3040 02:05:23,699 --> 02:05:34,039 So what we did is we voted to participate in the program under other select corps members for one. 3041 02:05:34,039 --> 02:05:38,039 Now we're voting not to sign for a particular person. 3042 02:05:38,039 --> 02:05:42,039 This signature is for one person, not to get out of the program. 3043 02:05:42,039 --> 02:05:44,039 No, it's not to get out of the program. 3044 02:05:44,039 --> 02:05:46,039 So that's what her question is. 3045 02:05:46,039 --> 02:05:47,039 It's a case-by-case basis. 3046 02:05:47,039 --> 02:05:48,039 Right. 3047 02:05:48,039 --> 02:05:52,039 So I need to wait until the next one comes in. 3048 02:05:52,039 --> 02:05:54,039 I'm just choosing the way I see it. 3049 02:05:54,039 --> 02:05:58,039 Your question is can anyone else participate? 3050 02:05:58,039 --> 02:06:02,039 And according to this, it sounds like they can. 3051 02:06:02,039 --> 02:06:04,039 Anyone can participate. 3052 02:06:04,039 --> 02:06:07,039 Anyone can put an application in to participate. 3053 02:06:07,039 --> 02:06:16,039 It's our lousy job, unfortunate job, to decide on a case-by-case basis whether we feel this property should be in the program. 3054 02:06:16,039 --> 02:06:17,039 Right. 3055 02:06:17,039 --> 02:06:20,039 It doesn't have to be every property. 3056 02:06:20,039 --> 02:06:27,039 Because it's a yes to her, which is a property that definitely needs mitigation, and we could say no to 15 other people. 3057 02:06:27,039 --> 02:06:33,039 Or we could say no here, and we could say yes two weeks from now for somebody else. 3058 02:06:33,039 --> 02:06:36,039 It's not a whole blanket vote. 3059 02:06:36,039 --> 02:06:42,039 We just voted not to sign the papers that that needs to proceed forward with the process. 3060 02:06:42,039 --> 02:06:44,039 So in my opinion, it's dead. 3061 02:06:44,039 --> 02:06:46,039 She can't proceed forward. 3062 02:06:46,039 --> 02:06:47,039 That's the way I see it. 3063 02:06:47,039 --> 02:06:49,039 Correct me if I'm wrong. 3064 02:06:49,039 --> 02:06:50,039 Thank you. 3065 02:06:50,039 --> 02:06:51,039 I don't understand it that way. 3066 02:06:51,039 --> 02:06:53,039 Yeah, that is what you're doing. 3067 02:06:53,039 --> 02:06:55,039 You're stopping it from me. 3068 02:06:55,039 --> 02:06:57,039 The process is over for us. 3069 02:06:57,039 --> 02:06:59,039 The house is going to end up in the river. 3070 02:06:59,039 --> 02:07:01,039 We're going to have an abandoned property in the street. 3071 02:07:01,039 --> 02:07:03,039 So you will have an abandoned property. 3072 02:07:03,039 --> 02:07:06,039 What is the contact information for these people? 3073 02:07:06,039 --> 02:07:07,039 Because I wasn't involved. 3074 02:07:07,039 --> 02:07:09,039 Oh, my gosh. 3075 02:07:09,039 --> 02:07:11,039 Then you shouldn't have voted. 3076 02:07:11,039 --> 02:07:13,039 Well, that's why I didn't want to sign it. 3077 02:07:13,039 --> 02:07:15,039 You should have abstained. 3078 02:07:15,039 --> 02:07:17,039 You should have abstained. 3079 02:07:17,039 --> 02:07:18,039 Okay. 3080 02:07:18,039 --> 02:07:21,039 Somebody make a motion to reconsider. 3081 02:07:21,039 --> 02:07:24,489 So here's the thing. 3082 02:07:24,489 --> 02:07:26,489 This is why I wanted to vote. 3083 02:07:26,489 --> 02:07:30,489 So I'm not eligible to sign it because I wasn't involved with the Zoom. 3084 02:07:30,489 --> 02:07:32,489 I'm not familiar with the whole thing. 3085 02:07:32,489 --> 02:07:42,489 So if both you and Doug, again, we respect both of you, you were involved in the process, 3086 02:07:42,489 --> 02:07:44,489 and if you're not signing it, 3087 02:07:45,489 --> 02:07:47,579 because you're not sure, 3088 02:07:47,579 --> 02:07:50,579 you shouldn't not vote because you're not sure either then. 3089 02:07:50,579 --> 02:07:52,579 So we've got to look at it and say, 3090 02:07:52,579 --> 02:07:54,680 we've got to look at it like this. 3091 02:07:54,680 --> 02:08:00,449 When you voted no, you didn't know what you were voting no against. 3092 02:08:00,449 --> 02:08:01,449 Is that correct? 3093 02:08:01,449 --> 02:08:04,789 Not enough information. 3094 02:08:04,789 --> 02:08:05,789 Not enough information. 3095 02:08:05,789 --> 02:08:06,789 Right. 3096 02:08:06,789 --> 02:08:13,890 Because these papers were years or months and months ago 3097 02:08:13,890 --> 02:08:18,899 when we voted on this, a couple months ago at least. 3098 02:08:18,899 --> 02:08:21,899 Then we voted and moved forward. 3099 02:08:21,899 --> 02:08:28,600 So, you know, I mean, if anything, 3100 02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:34,689 if we can do this and give you guys time to get educated on it 3101 02:08:34,689 --> 02:08:38,779 and then vote again next week, the next meeting, 3102 02:08:38,779 --> 02:08:41,039 I think that would be a accomplishment. 3103 02:08:41,039 --> 02:08:42,039 I'm not trying to talk you out of it. 3104 02:08:42,039 --> 02:08:43,039 No, I would feel comfortable with that. 3105 02:08:43,039 --> 02:08:45,039 You know, I'm not trying to talk you out of the vote. 3106 02:08:45,039 --> 02:08:46,039 I'm just saying that it seems like 3107 02:08:46,039 --> 02:08:49,039 Make a motion to vote again next week and then 3108 02:08:49,039 --> 02:08:50,039 It seems like 3109 02:08:50,039 --> 02:08:51,039 I don't like the numbers for these people. 3110 02:08:51,039 --> 02:08:52,039 The education. 3111 02:08:52,039 --> 02:08:53,039 I don't like the people that she keeps 3112 02:08:53,039 --> 02:08:54,039 I'm hearing these names and I don't even know who these people are. 3113 02:08:54,039 --> 02:08:55,039 Yeah. 3114 02:08:55,039 --> 02:08:56,100 You know. 3115 02:08:56,100 --> 02:08:57,100 Here's the bottom line. 3116 02:08:57,100 --> 02:08:58,100 I would like to communicate and hear something. 3117 02:08:58,100 --> 02:08:59,100 Yeah. 3118 02:08:59,100 --> 02:09:00,100 Yeah. 3119 02:09:00,100 --> 02:09:01,100 Because it did. 3120 02:09:01,100 --> 02:09:02,100 We already voted. 3121 02:09:02,100 --> 02:09:03,100 That's what you read. 3122 02:09:03,100 --> 02:09:04,100 That's what you read. 3123 02:09:04,100 --> 02:09:05,100 That's all I'm blue in the face. 3124 02:09:05,100 --> 02:09:06,100 I'd like to hear somebody say, hey, you can do this or you can't. 3125 02:09:06,100 --> 02:09:07,100 Right. 3126 02:09:07,100 --> 02:09:08,100 And there's names that Deb has given that you can call 3127 02:09:08,100 --> 02:09:09,100 and talk to those people and they'll give you a lot of advice. 3128 02:09:09,100 --> 02:09:10,100 Because I look at it and it's like an advantage right now. 3129 02:09:10,100 --> 02:09:11,100 It's like, I don't know. 3130 02:09:11,100 --> 02:09:12,100 I don't know. 3131 02:09:12,100 --> 02:09:13,100 I don't know. 3132 02:09:13,100 --> 02:09:14,100 I don't know. 3133 02:09:14,100 --> 02:09:15,100 I don't know. 3134 02:09:15,100 --> 02:09:16,100 It's like an advantage right now. 3135 02:09:16,100 --> 02:09:17,100 I don't know. 3136 02:09:17,100 --> 02:09:18,100 I don't know. 3137 02:09:18,100 --> 02:09:20,479 I don't know. 3138 02:09:20,479 --> 02:09:21,479 I don't know. 3139 02:09:21,479 --> 02:09:22,479 Is it worth another zoom meeting? 3140 02:09:22,479 --> 02:09:23,479 I think I'd just make a phone call. 3141 02:09:23,479 --> 02:09:24,479 I'd reach out to people in the state, but they don't get back to these. 3142 02:09:24,479 --> 02:09:25,479 Well, Brian does. 3143 02:09:25,479 --> 02:09:26,479 Brian does. 3144 02:09:26,479 --> 02:09:28,569 Stephanie does. 3145 02:09:28,569 --> 02:09:29,569 Yep. 3146 02:09:29,569 --> 02:09:30,569 What I would recommend is that you ask for the contact information. 3147 02:09:30,569 --> 02:09:31,569 Give them a call. 3148 02:09:31,569 --> 02:09:32,569 Next meeting will be have. 3149 02:09:32,569 --> 02:09:33,569 We don't have a contact information at the moment. 3150 02:09:33,569 --> 02:09:34,569 Yeah. 3151 02:09:34,569 --> 02:09:35,569 So I would recommend that you make a call. 3152 02:09:35,569 --> 02:09:36,569 Next meeting will be have. 3153 02:09:36,569 --> 02:09:37,569 What's your name? 3154 02:09:37,569 --> 02:09:38,569 My name is Stephanie. 3155 02:09:38,569 --> 02:09:39,569 Oh, my name is Brian. 3156 02:09:39,569 --> 02:09:40,569 Brian. 3157 02:09:40,569 --> 02:09:41,569 Brian. 3158 02:09:41,569 --> 02:09:42,630 Brian. 3159 02:09:42,630 --> 02:09:43,630 Brian. 3160 02:09:43,630 --> 02:09:44,630 Brian. 3161 02:09:44,630 --> 02:09:45,630 Brian. 3162 02:09:45,630 --> 02:09:46,630 Brian. 3163 02:09:46,630 --> 02:09:55,659 have, bring this subject up again, I know it's time sensitive, and look at it again. 3164 02:09:55,659 --> 02:09:59,760 I'm looking at both sides of the fence. 3165 02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:01,760 It's a big deal. I feel like it's a big deal. 3166 02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:09,760 I'm just saying if we still allow it, if we voted to get on the program all together, 3167 02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:11,760 that's different. That's not what we just did. 3168 02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:16,199 This is just an opinion. 3169 02:10:16,199 --> 02:10:23,199 My personal opinion here is the fact that since it's been kicked down the road so many times, 3170 02:10:23,199 --> 02:10:27,199 the past select board said, yes, we're doing this. 3171 02:10:27,199 --> 02:10:37,199 So to constantly be saying yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no is now kicking it down the road. 3172 02:10:37,199 --> 02:10:45,199 And now that paperwork that should have been filed two, three months ago is now to a different board. 3173 02:10:45,199 --> 02:10:46,199 It should have been done. 3174 02:10:46,199 --> 02:10:49,199 So that was my suggestion. 3175 02:10:49,199 --> 02:10:52,199 We have already voted in place to proceed with the process. 3176 02:10:52,199 --> 02:10:55,199 So by signing the papers, we're just proceeding with the process. 3177 02:10:55,199 --> 02:10:59,779 If we wanted to unproceed on the process, that would have been the motion. 3178 02:10:59,779 --> 02:11:05,569 We don't want to sign, we're not going forward with the process. 3179 02:11:05,569 --> 02:11:12,890 So can we make another motion to rescind that first motion or override it or what do we do? 3180 02:11:12,890 --> 02:11:14,890 A motion to reconsider. 3181 02:11:14,890 --> 02:11:17,850 You can take the vote again. 3182 02:11:17,850 --> 02:11:18,850 What's going on here? 3183 02:11:18,850 --> 02:11:32,819 What's going on is what we voted for versus what we voted for tonight are two separate, you know, two separate entities. 3184 02:11:32,819 --> 02:11:38,590 We voted to move forward on the whole FEMA project. 3185 02:11:38,590 --> 02:11:42,590 That debt for charge, we bought it for charge. 3186 02:11:42,590 --> 02:11:46,689 Properly, we voted to go through the whole project. 3187 02:11:46,689 --> 02:11:49,069 Then these papers came in. 3188 02:11:49,069 --> 02:11:52,260 You know, we didn't go yes or no a lot of times. 3189 02:11:52,260 --> 02:11:57,260 But yes, it has been, the papers were here last meeting. 3190 02:11:57,260 --> 02:12:01,260 We did vote once on the process of going. 3191 02:12:02,770 --> 02:12:06,770 Now we've got to make sure we know what we're voting for on this next one. 3192 02:12:06,770 --> 02:12:12,470 If we want to vote to pull out of the whole project, that's another start. 3193 02:12:12,470 --> 02:12:21,659 But if we stop this in the middle of it, I hope we understand that sort of thing. 3194 02:12:21,659 --> 02:12:24,789 I gave you the papers last meeting. 3195 02:12:24,789 --> 02:12:26,789 And there's a lot to read in there. 3196 02:12:26,789 --> 02:12:27,789 And there's a lot to go online to read in there. 3197 02:12:27,789 --> 02:12:34,369 I think it's section 40 or something in there that you have to read. 3198 02:12:34,369 --> 02:12:36,369 44 CFR part 80. 3199 02:12:36,369 --> 02:12:40,369 There's a whole bunch of rules in there. 3200 02:12:40,369 --> 02:12:44,369 So, I mean, we can still back out at any time. 3201 02:12:44,369 --> 02:12:47,369 Even if we sign the papers tonight. 3202 02:12:47,369 --> 02:12:52,369 I know that would be a crappy thing to do to the applicants to pull out when we're late in the process. 3203 02:12:52,369 --> 02:12:57,369 But we could very easily sign the papers tonight and then just continue on. 3204 02:12:58,369 --> 02:13:03,369 Until more research was done by the two guys. 3205 02:13:03,369 --> 02:13:06,369 And they could make a stance where they want to be. 3206 02:13:06,369 --> 02:13:10,170 And then have another vote. 3207 02:13:10,170 --> 02:13:13,170 We are already proceeding. 3208 02:13:13,170 --> 02:13:17,170 If we just sign the papers, we can still un-proceed two weeks from now. 3209 02:13:17,170 --> 02:13:19,329 I'd like to make a motion. 3210 02:13:19,329 --> 02:13:29,529 Would we reconsider to vote to make sure that the new members understand what we're voting for? 3211 02:13:29,529 --> 02:13:30,529 Is there a second? 3212 02:13:30,529 --> 02:13:31,529 I'm second. 3213 02:13:31,529 --> 02:13:33,939 Does that all make sense? 3214 02:13:33,939 --> 02:13:34,939 All in favor? 3215 02:13:34,939 --> 02:13:37,220 Aye. 3216 02:13:37,220 --> 02:13:39,420 I'm abstaining again. 3217 02:13:39,420 --> 02:13:42,210 I'm abstaining. 3218 02:13:42,210 --> 02:13:43,210 You? 3219 02:13:43,210 --> 02:13:45,010 So? 3220 02:13:45,010 --> 02:13:47,359 So, we'll reconsider and vote. 3221 02:13:47,359 --> 02:13:49,510 Yes. 3222 02:13:49,510 --> 02:13:52,380 As you made it to begin with. 3223 02:13:52,380 --> 02:13:55,460 I'm abstaining. 3224 02:13:55,460 --> 02:14:05,140 So, John's not comfortable with signing the papers tonight, correct? 3225 02:14:05,140 --> 02:14:06,140 Correct. 3226 02:14:06,140 --> 02:14:11,140 So, I'd like to make another motion that we table this to the next meeting and then sign it. 3227 02:14:11,140 --> 02:14:12,140 Or unsign it. 3228 02:14:12,140 --> 02:14:14,060 Second. 3229 02:14:14,060 --> 02:14:16,180 Yeah. 3230 02:14:16,180 --> 02:14:29,079 So, what I want then, as a member of this town, is that if paperwork, if they haven't done their job, that the paperwork gets signed next week, no matter what. 3231 02:14:29,079 --> 02:14:40,079 Because if you're basing this on the fact that those two people actually sit down and read it, come back and say, hey, yes, I've made an intelligent decision, yes or no. 3232 02:14:40,079 --> 02:14:44,270 But if they come back and say, I didn't get time to do it, I think there has to be a... 3233 02:14:44,270 --> 02:14:45,270 It's not a matter of time to do it. 3234 02:14:45,270 --> 02:14:46,270 I feel like there's other options. 3235 02:14:46,270 --> 02:14:47,270 No, I'm just saying. 3236 02:14:47,270 --> 02:14:48,270 Because I'm tired of this being kicked down this road. 3237 02:14:48,270 --> 02:14:49,270 I want it to be done. 3238 02:14:49,270 --> 02:14:50,270 And to be fixed. 3239 02:14:50,270 --> 02:14:51,270 I look at that drive-by every day. 3240 02:14:51,270 --> 02:14:52,270 I want it to be done. 3241 02:14:52,270 --> 02:14:53,270 Again, we can't. 3242 02:14:53,270 --> 02:14:54,270 If somebody says, I didn't have time... 3243 02:14:54,270 --> 02:14:55,270 I understand your feelings, but we can't make an election if they ever said it at any time. 3244 02:14:55,270 --> 02:14:56,270 No, no, I'm just saying. 3245 02:14:56,270 --> 02:14:57,270 There should be... 3246 02:14:57,270 --> 02:14:58,270 I feel like I don't have enough information. 3247 02:14:58,270 --> 02:14:59,270 We're holding up the process. 3248 02:14:59,270 --> 02:15:00,270 Yeah. 3249 02:15:00,270 --> 02:15:01,270 For the state and the applicant and everything. 3250 02:15:01,270 --> 02:15:02,270 Yeah. 3251 02:15:02,270 --> 02:15:03,270 But we can't tell an elected official. 3252 02:15:03,270 --> 02:15:04,270 They were elected by the people. 3253 02:15:04,270 --> 02:15:17,270 We can't tell them, hey you gotta read this and you have to do this and you have to do 3254 02:15:17,270 --> 02:15:18,270 that. 3255 02:15:18,270 --> 02:15:19,270 They can... 3256 02:15:19,270 --> 02:15:24,270 There's been a lot when they actually went to jail or still selected while they were 3257 02:15:24,270 --> 02:15:25,270 in jail. 3258 02:15:25,270 --> 02:15:32,270 What I'm saying is that I want the game to stop being a game. 3259 02:15:32,270 --> 02:15:33,270 I want a decision being made. 3260 02:15:33,270 --> 02:15:38,390 each or the next meeting we're going to make that decision then i no matter what i think you make the 3261 02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:44,329 decision i mean we could assign and continue down and still did research and back out into as well 3262 02:15:45,539 --> 02:15:50,260 but i understand that you know and i appreciate the fact that he wants to get more knowledge on 3263 02:15:50,260 --> 02:15:54,260 it maybe there's an alternative out there or something that we haven't discovered yet 3264 02:15:54,260 --> 02:16:00,899 i mean i've been looking at things every day i recommend that you actually discuss the contact 3265 02:16:00,899 --> 02:16:09,239 information with them and call those people yeah and you prefer not to go directly through me 3266 02:16:10,039 --> 02:16:16,680 no i just want to wait wait i don't want to make it look like that i'll send it to you 3267 02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:20,520 yeah i would love to have time to send this to you i'll send you the contact information 3268 02:16:23,140 --> 02:16:28,979 all right so now we're doing this thank you i just have one question 3269 02:16:31,699 --> 02:16:33,059 i've heard from 3270 02:16:33,139 --> 02:16:41,110 the board that you've been in contact with people in the state in terms of how to proceed with this 3271 02:16:41,110 --> 02:16:49,399 program my question to this board is have you also pursued answers on why you shouldn't do this 3272 02:16:49,399 --> 02:16:59,420 program from professionals yes yes you have to assume yes and they came up with all the reasons 3273 02:17:00,379 --> 02:17:06,459 i've asked questions both in person but as a board two two professionals two of them on the zoom in 3274 02:17:06,540 --> 02:17:12,620 meeting i've asked from yeah for both the people i've had an email i've had an email no i've emailed 3275 02:17:12,620 --> 02:17:20,299 people and yes i've asked both ways and you're right that's why i'm so hesitant because i'm not 3276 02:17:20,299 --> 02:17:25,899 curious i mean i need a member of the board we have two members this guy's only been here one 3277 02:17:25,899 --> 02:17:33,899 week here yeah i'm talking true why we should why we shouldn't do it well i mean you could make an 3278 02:17:33,899 --> 02:17:36,299 argument for the tax base is why we shouldn't do it 3279 02:17:36,540 --> 02:17:41,819 but the professionals in the state not what we they're not that this is the way they're doing 3280 02:17:41,819 --> 02:17:48,090 flood hazard mitigation they're not going to give you um if if it's a if it's a property that is 3281 02:17:48,090 --> 02:17:51,290 necessary to have something done to it they're not going to give you a reason not to do it 3282 02:17:53,290 --> 02:17:59,770 i'll let it go i'll let it go when willington got wiped out by the flood the whole town went 3283 02:17:59,770 --> 02:18:05,690 down with us right at that point they're in the floodplain what do they do they rebuild the whole 3284 02:18:05,690 --> 02:18:05,930 time 3285 02:18:06,569 --> 02:18:13,770 right so why they rebuild right the floodplains here the word about a house that may or may not 3286 02:18:13,770 --> 02:18:20,260 go down the river and there's 51 right across from me it's got this there's so many houses that 3287 02:18:20,260 --> 02:18:27,129 have this issue i just think the selectors will be overloaded you're not okay thanks dave okay 3288 02:18:27,129 --> 02:18:32,889 bill i'm done i think david has stated his negative approach and his opinion of this 3289 02:18:32,889 --> 02:18:37,049 so many times that he doesn't deserve to have any more time to stay okay now we let 3290 02:18:37,209 --> 02:18:38,649 everybody speak here i'm sorry 3291 02:18:40,250 --> 02:18:45,500 laurie what did you have a question i guess i feel like i feel bad for the board because 3292 02:18:46,620 --> 02:18:47,420 excuse me 3293 02:18:51,379 --> 02:18:54,979 we don't want that in the office here please thank you 3294 02:18:56,180 --> 02:19:02,180 never mind just i don't know what she said you said well okay thank you for what you had said 3295 02:19:02,180 --> 02:19:06,340 oh thank you answer i feel like you're getting heat no i'll talk to you after 3296 02:19:07,780 --> 02:19:13,540 kicking the can down the road but i feel like you guys did your zoom meeting you started the 3297 02:19:13,540 --> 02:19:18,659 process and then when the documents came in there were a lot of questions that were unanswered 3298 02:19:18,659 --> 02:19:22,819 but instead of stopping and getting questions marie made a motion to move forward even though 3299 02:19:22,819 --> 02:19:28,020 we didn't know what we were doing and then more documents come in with more questions and you just 3300 02:19:28,020 --> 02:19:32,819 keep making motions to continue a process that you really don't have your feet under you yet 3301 02:19:33,909 --> 02:19:38,729 and it's a big process and it's a huge decision but if 3302 02:19:38,809 --> 02:19:42,010 that's the entire town i completely agree with you laura 3303 02:19:43,700 --> 02:19:47,620 so so we we're going to go until next week you're going to look into it 3304 02:19:55,700 --> 02:19:59,610 mowing bids this should be a little easier 3305 02:20:00,729 --> 02:20:07,610 we got one no we i sent you the bid application that we sent out last year 3306 02:20:08,409 --> 02:20:10,969 uh invitation to bid and then also we 3307 02:20:11,530 --> 02:20:17,770 asked the mowing company if they would clean up the schoolyard including 3308 02:20:19,129 --> 02:20:24,170 fixing file damage and picking up branches especially along that ditch there that's 3309 02:20:24,170 --> 02:20:30,649 pretty bad there and i don't think they did that last year well we might but then a lot has fallen 3310 02:20:31,450 --> 02:20:41,579 since then so do you want to modify this invitation to bid to include clean up the yard sure 3311 02:20:42,139 --> 02:21:04,659 so we want to say fix following the image picking up branches on the lawn on the lawns lawns yard ditch 3312 02:21:04,659 --> 02:21:08,579 school grounds school ground oh on the grounds 3313 02:21:10,579 --> 02:21:11,299 on the grounds 3314 02:21:13,420 --> 02:21:14,620 don't get me started 3315 02:21:14,620 --> 02:21:15,180 i know 3316 02:21:15,180 --> 02:21:15,739 the ground 3317 02:21:15,739 --> 02:21:16,299 started 3318 02:21:16,299 --> 02:21:17,659 on the ground 3319 02:21:17,659 --> 02:21:18,620 how come there's fixed ground damage 3320 02:21:18,620 --> 02:21:19,659 how come there's fixed ground damage 3321 02:21:19,659 --> 02:21:21,159 fixed ground damage 3322 02:21:21,159 --> 02:21:21,959 fixed what 3323 02:21:21,959 --> 02:21:23,260 fixed ground damage 3324 02:21:23,260 --> 02:21:26,520 yes we don't want to pick up the sticks we do it 3325 02:21:28,379 --> 02:21:30,700 and clear around the ditch right 3326 02:21:35,620 --> 02:21:41,610 i wonder if that would be included when they do the uh inspection the uh site visit 3327 02:21:44,299 --> 02:21:44,860 what's that 3328 02:21:44,860 --> 02:21:47,079 what's the inspection 3329 02:21:47,079 --> 02:21:54,250 well if it's a new mowing company we've got to show them where to mow like soccer fields 3330 02:21:54,809 --> 02:21:56,010 what's included in the company 3331 02:21:56,010 --> 02:21:59,270 remove the leaves instead 3332 02:21:59,270 --> 02:22:02,069 right no 3333 02:22:02,229 --> 02:22:11,860 get rid of all of the are all kind of all you gotta do 3334 02:22:11,860 --> 02:22:12,340 down 3335 02:22:12,340 --> 02:22:12,739 okay 3336 02:22:14,739 --> 02:22:48,840 get ready 3337 02:22:48,840 --> 02:22:49,559 to take the sign 3338 02:22:49,559 --> 02:22:53,479 do we want to have to pay so many to do that because i dug it out last plan to be done hate image picking up debris okay so when do we want to start mowing when do we want to have a site visit who want to send one we started last year 3339 02:22:53,479 --> 02:22:55,379 process 3340 02:22:55,379 --> 02:23:00,479 You wanted to add somebody else too. You wanted to add... 3341 02:23:00,479 --> 02:23:05,540 Well, you can't add the person I had because he does not have the charts, so... 3342 02:23:05,540 --> 02:23:08,770 Well, he might have it by then. 3343 02:23:08,770 --> 02:23:10,770 No, he won't. 3344 02:23:10,770 --> 02:23:12,770 No? Okay. 3345 02:23:12,770 --> 02:23:15,770 He's pretty much told me I can't afford it. 3346 02:23:15,770 --> 02:23:17,770 Well, you're never going to afford it if you don't get it. 3347 02:23:17,770 --> 02:23:18,770 That is the worst threat. 3348 02:23:18,770 --> 02:23:24,860 I'm actually interested in looking at it. I'm not sure if it's something I'd be able to do. 3349 02:23:24,860 --> 02:23:26,860 I'd look at it. 3350 02:23:26,860 --> 02:23:27,860 Okay. 3351 02:23:27,860 --> 02:23:31,180 If you can do it, you just can't vote on it, right? 3352 02:23:31,180 --> 02:23:34,180 I don't vote when my cousin comes up. 3353 02:23:34,180 --> 02:23:37,790 John is just about to stand on that one. 3354 02:23:37,790 --> 02:23:42,479 Yeah. 3355 02:23:42,479 --> 02:23:46,479 That came up last year, the mountain home landscape and countryside. 3356 02:23:46,479 --> 02:23:50,479 We needed to have a Deerfield Valley property. 3357 02:23:50,479 --> 02:23:52,479 We only got one backlash. 3358 02:23:52,479 --> 02:23:55,479 Yeah, I'd say it exceeded my eight cents, but... 3359 02:23:55,479 --> 02:23:57,479 Three and a half? Three and four? 3360 02:23:57,479 --> 02:23:58,479 Yeah. 3361 02:23:58,479 --> 02:24:02,479 Obviously, over in the end, he's the only one that responded last year. 3362 02:24:02,479 --> 02:24:05,479 Yeah, that's the next thing we can do is go ahead and challenge everybody. 3363 02:24:05,479 --> 02:24:06,479 Eddie. 3364 02:24:06,479 --> 02:24:07,479 Dan. 3365 02:24:07,479 --> 02:24:09,479 John. 3366 02:24:09,479 --> 02:24:13,479 So, Western Mass and the KAW came back undelivered. 3367 02:24:13,479 --> 02:24:14,479 Right. 3368 02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:16,479 So, I don't know. 3369 02:24:16,479 --> 02:24:19,479 I don't know if Casey will be able to return. 3370 02:24:19,479 --> 02:24:22,479 My fear is that it's too bad. 3371 02:24:22,479 --> 02:24:23,479 Yeah. 3372 02:24:23,479 --> 02:24:24,479 Someday. 3373 02:24:24,479 --> 02:24:26,479 It'll come up. 3374 02:24:26,479 --> 02:24:27,899 So, just those three? 3375 02:24:27,899 --> 02:24:30,899 One man's project, sir. 3376 02:24:30,899 --> 02:24:32,899 You need to give us one quick. 3377 02:24:32,899 --> 02:24:38,899 Dan, John Dunn, and Lawrence. 3378 02:24:38,899 --> 02:24:41,899 Maybe I'll work for you. 3379 02:24:41,899 --> 02:24:42,899 I mean, I have insurance. 3380 02:24:42,899 --> 02:24:44,899 It's not that expensive. 3381 02:24:44,899 --> 02:24:45,899 I know. 3382 02:24:45,899 --> 02:24:46,899 You've got to have it. 3383 02:24:46,899 --> 02:24:47,899 Yeah. 3384 02:24:47,899 --> 02:24:48,899 Okay. 3385 02:24:48,899 --> 02:24:51,860 Okay. 3386 02:24:51,860 --> 02:24:54,239 When... 3387 02:24:54,239 --> 02:24:56,370 What does it say? 3388 02:24:56,370 --> 02:25:02,299 Same job description and specification. 3389 02:25:02,299 --> 02:25:03,299 Okay. 3390 02:25:03,299 --> 02:25:04,299 When do you think they can start mowing? 3391 02:25:04,299 --> 02:25:05,399 Site visit. 3392 02:25:05,399 --> 02:25:06,399 It's no Saturday. 3393 02:25:06,399 --> 02:25:07,399 It's not tomorrow. 3394 02:25:07,399 --> 02:25:08,399 Do you want me to pick a date in April to do a site visit? 3395 02:25:08,399 --> 02:25:09,399 Yeah. 3396 02:25:09,399 --> 02:25:10,399 One of us should be here to greet anybody next to you today. 3397 02:25:10,399 --> 02:25:11,399 I mean, I want to visit like a lot of times. 3398 02:25:11,399 --> 02:25:12,399 All right. 3399 02:25:12,399 --> 02:25:13,399 And... 3400 02:25:13,399 --> 02:25:14,399 Tomorrow. 3401 02:25:14,399 --> 02:25:15,399 Mowing dates that we liked. 3402 02:25:15,399 --> 02:25:16,459 Yeah. 3403 02:25:16,459 --> 02:25:17,459 Yeah. 3404 02:25:17,459 --> 02:25:18,459 Yeah. 3405 02:25:18,459 --> 02:25:19,459 Yeah. 3406 02:25:19,459 --> 02:25:20,459 Yeah. 3407 02:25:20,459 --> 02:25:21,459 Yeah. 3408 02:25:21,459 --> 02:25:22,459 Yeah. 3409 02:25:22,459 --> 02:25:23,459 Yeah. 3410 02:25:23,459 --> 02:25:24,459 Yeah. 3411 02:25:24,459 --> 02:25:25,459 Yeah. 3412 02:25:25,459 --> 02:25:26,459 Yeah. 3413 02:25:26,459 --> 02:25:27,459 Yeah. 3414 02:25:27,459 --> 02:25:28,459 Yeah. 3415 02:25:28,459 --> 02:25:29,459 Yeah. 3416 02:25:29,459 --> 02:25:33,090 Yeah. 3417 02:25:33,090 --> 02:25:34,659 Yeah. 3418 02:25:34,659 --> 02:25:38,290 Yeah. 3419 02:25:38,290 --> 02:25:39,290 Yeah. 3420 02:25:39,290 --> 02:25:40,290 Yeah. 3421 02:25:40,290 --> 02:25:41,290 Yeah. 3422 02:25:41,290 --> 02:25:42,290 Yeah. 3423 02:25:42,290 --> 02:25:43,290 Yeah. 3424 02:25:43,290 --> 02:25:50,940 Yeah. 3425 02:25:50,940 --> 02:25:52,200 Yeah. 3426 02:25:52,200 --> 02:25:53,200 Yeah. 3427 02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:54,200 Yeah. 3428 02:25:54,200 --> 02:26:01,540 Yeah. 3429 02:26:01,540 --> 02:26:02,540 Yeah. 3430 02:26:02,540 --> 02:26:03,540 Yeah. 3431 02:26:03,540 --> 02:26:04,540 Yeah. 3432 02:26:04,540 --> 02:26:05,540 Yeah. 3433 02:26:05,540 --> 02:26:06,540 Yeah. 3434 02:26:06,540 --> 02:26:07,540 Yeah. 3435 02:26:07,540 --> 02:26:09,209 Yeah. 3436 02:26:09,209 --> 02:26:10,209 Yeah. 3437 02:26:10,209 --> 02:26:13,420 Yeah. 3438 02:26:13,420 --> 02:26:14,420 Yeah. 3439 02:26:14,420 --> 02:26:15,420 Yeah. 3440 02:26:15,420 --> 02:26:17,340 Yeah. 3441 02:26:17,340 --> 02:26:18,340 Yeah. 3442 02:26:18,340 --> 02:26:19,340 Yeah. 3443 02:26:19,340 --> 02:26:20,340 Yeah. 3444 02:26:20,340 --> 02:26:21,340 Yeah. 3445 02:26:21,340 --> 02:26:22,340 Yeah. 3446 02:26:22,340 --> 02:26:23,340 Yeah. 3447 02:26:23,340 --> 02:26:24,340 Yeah. 3448 02:26:24,340 --> 02:26:30,840 week of that, May 1st or whatever. 3449 02:26:30,860 --> 02:26:37,520 We just had the beginning of mowing 3450 02:26:37,540 --> 02:26:41,540 season. We kind of left it open. Because we can't say you're going to start 3451 02:26:41,559 --> 02:26:46,000 mowing May 1st. I'm sure we'll make 3452 02:26:46,020 --> 02:26:50,020 that determination. I'm sure if it gets an ice out, we cut the grass sooner than later. 3453 02:26:50,040 --> 02:26:54,040 Right. That's why we never set it up. 3454 02:26:54,059 --> 02:26:58,770 They got a number of mowers anyway, right? We did. 3455 02:26:58,770 --> 02:27:03,569 Okay. 3456 02:27:03,590 --> 02:27:08,000 Lori will just give me a call on this 3457 02:27:08,020 --> 02:27:12,020 and we can fit that sentence in somewhere and 3458 02:27:12,040 --> 02:27:16,040 send them out to the three people. Do you want to have the minutes back for your 3459 02:27:16,059 --> 02:27:22,020 next meeting April 4th or the second meeting April? 3460 02:27:22,040 --> 02:27:27,350 It would be nice. Next meeting April 4th. Let's see how that goes. 3461 02:27:27,370 --> 02:27:34,440 May. What do you think? Get it back as soon as we can? 3462 02:27:34,459 --> 02:27:36,680 Yeah. Two weeks? 3463 02:27:36,719 --> 02:27:41,170 Yep. So then you'd have to have your site visit before 3464 02:27:41,190 --> 02:27:45,989 so they can get the minutes in. Oh yeah, that's right. 3465 02:27:46,010 --> 02:27:50,010 Why don't you tell us that first and then 3466 02:27:50,030 --> 02:27:54,030 well Dan's going to vet. He knows the site. Do a site visit. 3467 02:27:54,049 --> 02:27:58,049 Alright. 3468 02:27:58,069 --> 02:28:02,069 No one showed up anyway the last couple of years. 3469 02:28:02,090 --> 02:28:06,069 Second meeting April 11th is June. 3470 02:28:06,069 --> 02:28:10,069 So we're taking the sign down and we can do a walk through. 3471 02:28:10,090 --> 02:28:14,090 What's that? When I'm taking the sign down I can look around and check it out. 3472 02:28:14,110 --> 02:28:19,079 Okay. Should we look way back around the 3473 02:28:19,100 --> 02:28:23,100 foundation for the site? You know, keep it going. 3474 02:28:23,120 --> 02:28:27,120 Keep it going. Being with school directors. I emailed Erica 3475 02:28:27,139 --> 02:28:31,139 and she has to talk to the board first. 3476 02:28:31,159 --> 02:28:35,319 See when they would, if they are, 3477 02:28:35,340 --> 02:28:37,200 want to do a joint meeting with us. 3478 02:28:37,200 --> 02:28:44,309 And we'll work on a date. Board of Civil Authority training. 3479 02:28:44,329 --> 02:28:48,329 I still have no definite date for Mount Lagos Cities and Towns. 3480 02:28:48,350 --> 02:28:52,920 So that tentative is 4 o'clock on the 4th. 3481 02:28:52,940 --> 02:28:56,940 That's not happening. 4th of April? 3482 02:28:56,959 --> 02:29:00,959 No. It's not happening. Okay. 3483 02:29:00,979 --> 02:29:07,989 But it could happen if they get back to you. 3484 02:29:08,010 --> 02:29:13,260 It's kind of late now. I guess so. 3485 02:29:13,260 --> 02:29:17,260 I'll email her again and see where we are on the state board. 3486 02:29:17,280 --> 02:29:22,459 So most likely it would be on a select board day but at 4? 3487 02:29:22,479 --> 02:29:26,479 That's what I'm hoping for. Thursday, 4 o'clock. 3488 02:29:26,500 --> 02:29:31,559 She said it should take no longer than an hour. 3489 02:29:31,579 --> 02:29:41,629 So you'll review drug and alcohol policy. 3490 02:29:41,649 --> 02:29:45,649 So I pulled out. We want to do this tonight? Well, I have to talk to you about it. 3491 02:29:45,670 --> 02:29:51,020 Listen, we're elected. 3492 02:29:51,020 --> 02:29:55,020 We're elected. We're not employed. We're going to have to go by force. 3493 02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:59,040 I know. This drug and alcohol policy came about 3494 02:29:59,059 --> 02:30:03,059 through Vermont Lagos Cities and Towns. 3495 02:30:03,079 --> 02:30:07,440 Wade Masur? Yes. Yeah, that's the guy's name. 3496 02:30:07,459 --> 02:30:11,940 As soon as he came down and reviewed our highway 3497 02:30:11,959 --> 02:30:15,959 insurance and stuff. And we have two fellows that have 3498 02:30:15,979 --> 02:30:20,549 CDLs and he said we need to have 3499 02:30:20,569 --> 02:30:22,430 a drug and alcohol policy. So. 3500 02:30:22,450 --> 02:30:26,450 We copied the model from 3501 02:30:26,469 --> 02:30:30,469 Vermont Lagos Cities and Towns. They provided it in 2014. 3502 02:30:30,489 --> 02:30:36,729 And I tried to get a more 3503 02:30:36,750 --> 02:30:40,750 updated model from VLCT and no response from them yet. 3504 02:30:40,770 --> 02:30:46,049 So this model, I'm sure 3505 02:30:46,069 --> 02:30:50,069 there is more drugs and stuff in there. 3506 02:30:50,090 --> 02:30:54,100 And it's only for our CDL drivers. 3507 02:30:54,120 --> 02:30:58,120 What about any other employees that we have that don't need a CDL 3508 02:30:58,139 --> 02:31:02,139 license? Or any town employees? We're a town employee. 3509 02:31:02,159 --> 02:31:06,819 Laurie? 3510 02:31:06,840 --> 02:31:10,819 I know. I'm sorry, Laurie. 3511 02:31:10,840 --> 02:31:14,819 Do you understand what their drug testing program involves? 3512 02:31:14,840 --> 02:31:18,819 CDLs? No. For employees. Broadly for employees? 3513 02:31:18,840 --> 02:31:22,819 Yeah. You know how it works for the CDL. And if they broadcast 3514 02:31:22,819 --> 02:31:26,819 that, and if they broadly apply it to everybody else, 3515 02:31:26,840 --> 02:31:30,840 they pull you up and say that morning, you come pee. 3516 02:31:30,860 --> 02:31:34,840 They don't care about your job. 3517 02:31:34,860 --> 02:31:38,860 Someone's got a medical marijuana card, and they have marijuana in their system. 3518 02:31:38,879 --> 02:31:42,909 Are they going to fail? Because they would fail. 3519 02:31:42,930 --> 02:31:46,930 I'm not saying they're smoking. 3520 02:31:46,950 --> 02:31:50,969 I'm saying you couldn't have medical marijuana. I'm always saying go slowly before 3521 02:31:50,969 --> 02:31:54,969 you talk about the rest of the town employees. Well, this is it. 3522 02:31:54,989 --> 02:31:58,989 I thought it covered all our town employees. 3523 02:31:59,010 --> 02:32:03,010 They have to go through the process for a CDL. 3524 02:32:03,030 --> 02:32:07,010 Right. And that's what this covers, the CDL. We're not going to want to institute 3525 02:32:07,030 --> 02:32:11,030 anything that doesn't help. You've got libraries, you've got a lot of people. 3526 02:32:11,049 --> 02:32:15,049 We have people working here that are kind of almost volunteers. 3527 02:32:15,069 --> 02:32:19,069 Are you going to give someone a urine test for 24 hours a year? Yeah, I wouldn't be giving them 3528 02:32:19,090 --> 02:32:20,950 a urine test for 25 hours a year. 3529 02:32:20,950 --> 02:32:24,950 That's a weird job. 3530 02:32:24,969 --> 02:32:28,969 You guys should be paying me more than all the other processes. 3531 02:32:28,989 --> 02:32:32,989 That's what I mean. What's your policy? You can test for marijuana, and you can test for positive, but 3532 02:32:33,010 --> 02:32:37,010 it's legal. Marijuana is the only thing that's going to be in there. 3533 02:32:37,030 --> 02:32:41,030 It's PCC, cocaine, marijuana. 3534 02:32:41,049 --> 02:32:45,049 We need 35 days. 3535 02:32:45,069 --> 02:32:49,030 Fentanyl kills us. 3536 02:32:49,049 --> 02:32:50,950 So, I'll try to get a new 3537 02:32:50,969 --> 02:32:54,969 drug or an updated drug and alcohol policy for our CDL drivers. 3538 02:32:54,989 --> 02:32:58,950 Yeah, I would just make sure that all of the same 3539 02:32:58,969 --> 02:33:02,950 drugs are all the same. Do they need it? 3540 02:33:02,969 --> 02:33:06,969 I've never had a federal DLT test. 3541 02:33:06,989 --> 02:33:10,969 I get one two or three times a year. A recommended by our insurance 3542 02:33:10,989 --> 02:33:14,989 provider. And I had one the other day, not last week. 3543 02:33:15,010 --> 02:33:19,010 Mike just got pulled in last week. Yeah, I don't think, if we see there's a problem, 3544 02:33:19,030 --> 02:33:23,120 Lori or Teresa will deal with it. 3545 02:33:23,139 --> 02:33:27,180 We might just have to fire that. 3546 02:33:30,180 --> 02:33:33,219 I don't know, she's black, too, right? 3547 02:33:33,239 --> 02:33:37,239 Yeah, so we can't fire her. We can fire Dave, but we can't fire her. 3548 02:33:37,239 --> 02:33:41,239 The thing is, in that policy, then you really have to offer counseling. 3549 02:33:41,260 --> 02:33:45,260 Yeah, fired her. Well that's what... 3550 02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:49,000 That's why I like to fire at Will. Where do you fire him? 3551 02:33:49,000 --> 02:33:52,000 No, I'm just, I just don't like the way it looks. 3552 02:33:52,000 --> 02:33:55,000 Then we have to impeach any elected official. 3553 02:33:55,000 --> 02:33:56,000 Exactly. 3554 02:33:56,000 --> 02:33:58,000 That's what I was trying to do. 3555 02:33:58,000 --> 02:34:00,100 Counseling. 3556 02:34:00,100 --> 02:34:02,100 Yeah, impeachment. 3557 02:34:02,100 --> 02:34:07,579 I think impeachment takes a three-quarter vote, not a two-thirds vote, so that's going to be tough. 3558 02:34:07,579 --> 02:34:08,579 Okay. 3559 02:34:08,579 --> 02:34:09,579 Correspondence. 3560 02:34:09,579 --> 02:34:10,579 Lori. 3561 02:34:10,579 --> 02:34:11,709 All right. 3562 02:34:11,709 --> 02:34:15,709 Let's start with the Uniform Municipal Access Way Permits. 3563 02:34:15,709 --> 02:34:20,930 We have Consolidated Communications and Mayor Gass. 3564 02:34:20,930 --> 02:34:24,270 That's what I'm looking at. 3565 02:34:24,270 --> 02:34:26,559 Motion to sign. 3566 02:34:26,559 --> 02:34:27,559 Pay them. 3567 02:34:27,559 --> 02:34:28,559 I don't know what they want. 3568 02:34:28,559 --> 02:34:32,639 We got the insurance. 3569 02:34:32,639 --> 02:34:34,700 Insurance and check. 3570 02:34:34,700 --> 02:34:38,620 Does anyone second? 3571 02:34:38,620 --> 02:34:40,389 Second. 3572 02:34:40,389 --> 02:34:43,389 It seems like we're getting more in on it than we said we wanted. 3573 02:34:43,389 --> 02:34:44,389 Yeah. 3574 02:34:44,389 --> 02:34:45,389 Is it pretty, really? 3575 02:34:45,389 --> 02:34:53,340 And then on... 3576 02:34:53,340 --> 02:34:54,340 Were you recording? 3577 02:34:54,340 --> 02:34:55,340 Oh, the tax sale issue. 3578 02:34:55,340 --> 02:34:56,340 Were you recording? 3579 02:34:56,340 --> 02:34:57,340 Well, we had tax... 3580 02:34:57,340 --> 02:34:58,469 Were you recording, Jeff? 3581 02:34:58,469 --> 02:34:59,469 Thank you. 3582 02:34:59,469 --> 02:35:00,469 You're supposed to tell people. 3583 02:35:00,469 --> 02:35:01,469 I did. 3584 02:35:01,469 --> 02:35:02,469 You did? 3585 02:35:02,469 --> 02:35:03,469 I did. 3586 02:35:03,469 --> 02:35:04,469 You did. 3587 02:35:04,469 --> 02:35:06,170 I did. 3588 02:35:06,170 --> 02:35:07,780 You did? 3589 02:35:07,780 --> 02:35:08,780 Well, I guess I missed it. 3590 02:35:08,780 --> 02:35:09,780 Yeah. 3591 02:35:09,780 --> 02:35:10,780 I know you... 3592 02:35:10,780 --> 02:35:11,780 We said... 3593 02:35:11,780 --> 02:35:12,780 Yeah, we said... 3594 02:35:12,780 --> 02:35:13,780 Oh, yeah. 3595 02:35:13,780 --> 02:35:14,780 We pointed right at it. 3596 02:35:14,780 --> 02:35:15,780 Yesterday, there was a tax sale here at the town office. 3597 02:35:15,780 --> 02:35:17,770 Five properties went up for sale, and the town bought three of them. 3598 02:35:17,770 --> 02:35:18,770 One Alphamall property and two properties across from Belmont's. 3599 02:35:18,770 --> 02:35:19,770 And then there's a request for... 3600 02:35:19,770 --> 02:35:20,770 I'm sorry. 3601 02:35:20,770 --> 02:35:21,770 I'm sorry. 3602 02:35:21,770 --> 02:35:22,770 I'm sorry. 3603 02:35:22,770 --> 02:35:23,770 I'm sorry. 3604 02:35:23,770 --> 02:35:24,770 I'm sorry. 3605 02:35:24,770 --> 02:35:25,770 I'm sorry. 3606 02:35:25,770 --> 02:35:26,770 I'm sorry. 3607 02:35:26,770 --> 02:35:27,770 I'm sorry. 3608 02:35:27,770 --> 02:35:28,770 I'm sorry. 3609 02:35:28,770 --> 02:35:29,770 I'm sorry. 3610 02:35:29,770 --> 02:35:30,840 I'm sorry. 3611 02:35:30,840 --> 02:35:31,840 I'm sorry. 3612 02:35:31,840 --> 02:35:32,840 I'm sorry. 3613 02:35:32,840 --> 02:35:42,139 And then it also put in a price for purchase of Town's Interested in America. 3614 02:35:42,139 --> 02:35:46,100 So, one of the properties that we bought was already... 3615 02:35:46,100 --> 02:35:47,100 We bought a swamp? 3616 02:35:47,100 --> 02:35:48,100 We did. 3617 02:35:48,100 --> 02:35:49,100 We did. 3618 02:35:49,100 --> 02:35:50,100 Okay. 3619 02:35:50,100 --> 02:35:51,100 But you can build in it, some... 3620 02:35:51,100 --> 02:35:52,100 With flood plain, river courier, anything. 3621 02:35:52,100 --> 02:35:53,100 Swamp across from Belmont? 3622 02:35:53,100 --> 02:35:54,159 I don't think you can get a builder building there. 3623 02:35:54,159 --> 02:35:59,100 Can I sell it to FEMA? 3624 02:35:59,100 --> 02:36:02,100 Why not? 3625 02:36:02,100 --> 02:36:03,780 Should I build a shed out of it? 3626 02:36:03,780 --> 02:36:11,200 so um we have an offer to uh sell the town's interest on the 5.75 acre 3627 02:36:11,760 --> 02:36:16,790 perry property to laurie shepherd motion to assign our interest 3628 02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:34,079 is there a price oh yeah what's the price oh she wants our assignment so 3629 02:36:34,479 --> 02:36:37,920 it's whatever is calculated 3630 02:37:00,959 --> 02:37:04,399 it's not it's not next to mcshane's it's the one on the other side 3631 02:37:04,479 --> 02:37:07,280 right is it the big is it next to mcshane's there's two lots 3632 02:37:08,479 --> 02:37:16,479 is 3633 02:37:29,360 --> 02:37:32,959 there was a big pond there before yeah i mean it's it's 3634 02:37:34,639 --> 02:37:39,360 a flower garden i don't know what you're looking for i'll look i'll look maybe the back part 3635 02:37:46,479 --> 02:37:48,479 i'll look at it you buy it for 500 dollars or whatever it is and go to the bank and say hey i 3636 02:37:48,479 --> 02:37:50,479 got five acres 20 000. sure and they'll say 3637 02:37:50,479 --> 02:37:53,120 it's just persuading you to wear it because i'm just thinking it's something that you might want 3638 02:37:53,120 --> 02:37:58,479 to do 3639 02:37:58,479 --> 02:38:02,479 your intentions already 3640 02:38:02,479 --> 02:38:02,959 i mean there's a reason there's a reason i'll leave that to you after this one because we're going to get some more money from you today and i'm not going to leave it to you now is that right now we're going to leave it to you later you're going to leave it to us but we are always going to keep it out of that room next week i'll keep it out of that room too and maybe you want to put it out of that room next week 3641 02:38:04,479 --> 02:38:09,479 Well, it's not vacant since the beginning of the time in the town where it seemingly should be developed, right? 3642 02:38:09,479 --> 02:38:16,479 I mean, if you drive through town and the pattern goes where there's houses, there's a reason why there's no houses and no spots. 3643 02:38:16,479 --> 02:38:18,610 Just food for thought. 3644 02:38:18,610 --> 02:38:20,870 I'll make a motion in the way it's out there. 3645 02:38:20,870 --> 02:38:22,870 If she wants to pull out, she can. 3646 02:38:22,870 --> 02:38:23,870 Sure. 3647 02:38:23,870 --> 02:38:24,899 Second. 3648 02:38:24,899 --> 02:38:26,899 We'll vote for tax sale in a couple of years, right? 3649 02:38:26,899 --> 02:38:27,899 Right. 3650 02:38:27,899 --> 02:38:28,899 Just don't pay the taxes. 3651 02:38:28,899 --> 02:38:29,899 That's all I have. 3652 02:38:29,899 --> 02:38:30,899 Second? 3653 02:38:30,899 --> 02:38:31,899 Yeah. 3654 02:38:31,899 --> 02:38:32,899 All in favor? 3655 02:38:32,899 --> 02:38:33,899 Aye. 3656 02:38:33,899 --> 02:38:34,899 Thank you, Lori. 3657 02:38:34,899 --> 02:38:35,899 Okay. 3658 02:38:35,899 --> 02:38:36,899 We'll see. 3659 02:38:36,899 --> 02:38:39,440 I just felt bad that it sat there. 3660 02:38:39,440 --> 02:38:42,440 So we had probably about 10 people here yesterday. 3661 02:38:42,440 --> 02:38:45,440 Maybe we'll donate a sign to you. 3662 02:38:45,440 --> 02:38:47,440 Yeah, that's a good idea. 3663 02:38:49,440 --> 02:38:52,989 Did Costean's land go here today? 3664 02:38:52,989 --> 02:38:53,989 Yes. 3665 02:38:53,989 --> 02:39:00,510 That 10-acre piece that you asked me about. 3666 02:39:00,510 --> 02:39:01,510 I'm sorry? 3667 02:39:01,510 --> 02:39:04,510 How is it accessed, like the Costean property? 3668 02:39:04,510 --> 02:39:06,510 I was kind of looking at it. 3669 02:39:06,510 --> 02:39:07,510 How does it go? 3670 02:39:07,510 --> 02:39:08,510 Right away through. 3671 02:39:08,510 --> 02:39:09,510 There's a road there. 3672 02:39:09,510 --> 02:39:10,510 It's a Collins Road, too, right? 3673 02:39:10,510 --> 02:39:11,510 Yeah. 3674 02:39:11,510 --> 02:39:12,510 It's actually a Collins Road address, but you may get in there. 3675 02:39:12,510 --> 02:39:13,510 You can't go through there? 3676 02:39:13,510 --> 02:39:14,510 No, because you'll have to travel across the National Forest probably. 3677 02:39:14,510 --> 02:39:15,510 It only goes up to the ground that was can. 3678 02:39:15,510 --> 02:39:16,510 But you can't, even though it's a right-of-way, you can't go through National Forest, huh? 3679 02:39:16,510 --> 02:39:17,510 Well, there's no road there. 3680 02:39:17,510 --> 02:39:18,510 You can't land block it. 3681 02:39:18,510 --> 02:39:19,510 No, there's no landlocked. 3682 02:39:19,510 --> 02:39:20,510 But I think the right-of-way originally came through the National Forest. 3683 02:39:20,510 --> 02:39:21,510 And the land block is just a little bit further out. 3684 02:39:21,510 --> 02:39:22,510 There's a lot of land there. 3685 02:39:22,510 --> 02:39:23,510 There's a lot of land. 3686 02:39:23,510 --> 02:39:24,510 There's a lot of land there. 3687 02:39:24,510 --> 02:39:25,510 There's no road there. 3688 02:39:25,510 --> 02:39:26,510 There's a lot of land. 3689 02:39:26,510 --> 02:39:27,510 All right. 3690 02:39:27,510 --> 02:39:30,510 Even though it's a right-of-way, you can't go through National Forest, huh? 3691 02:39:30,510 --> 02:39:32,510 Well, there's no road there. 3692 02:39:32,510 --> 02:39:34,510 You can't landlock it. 3693 02:39:34,510 --> 02:39:38,510 No, there's no landlock, but I think the right-of-way originally came through 3694 02:39:38,510 --> 02:39:43,510 right before there's a right-of-way about 25 feet wide in Alpenwald. 3695 02:39:43,510 --> 02:39:47,510 But they're going to make sure that you pay your dues. 3696 02:39:47,510 --> 02:39:49,510 But it's the right-of-way to that one. 3697 02:39:49,510 --> 02:39:51,510 It's the best way to go in. 3698 02:39:51,510 --> 02:39:53,510 You're supposed to pay that $300. 3699 02:39:53,510 --> 02:39:56,510 I looked into it. I was going to pay it back taxes and everything. 3700 02:39:56,510 --> 02:40:00,510 Wasn't there an indication, though, that somebody in the past wanted to log it, 3701 02:40:00,510 --> 02:40:05,510 but Alpenwald wouldn't let the truck go over to Alpenwald? 3702 02:40:05,510 --> 02:40:07,510 Empty sections between the locks? 3703 02:40:07,510 --> 02:40:09,510 Alpenwald connects it all kinds of ways. 3704 02:40:09,510 --> 02:40:11,510 It's based on one road, too. 3705 02:40:11,510 --> 02:40:14,510 Yeah. No, I know. I just thought that . . . 3706 02:40:14,510 --> 02:40:20,510 I've seen it all. 3707 02:40:20,510 --> 02:40:25,510 Nice little piece of property a long time ago. 3708 02:40:25,510 --> 02:40:26,510 Didn't know what it went into. 3709 02:40:26,510 --> 02:40:29,510 . . . 3710 02:40:29,510 --> 02:40:35,790 Okay. Any other old business? 3711 02:40:35,790 --> 02:40:37,950 New business. 3712 02:40:37,950 --> 02:40:43,969 I talked about the VLCT training there. 3713 02:40:43,969 --> 02:40:48,969 There's going to . . . on April 17th, there's going to be a webinar 3714 02:40:48,969 --> 02:40:52,969 we can sign up for and have it here. 3715 02:40:52,969 --> 02:40:57,969 It's for the Open Meeting Law, if anyone's interested. 3716 02:40:57,969 --> 02:41:01,200 10 to 11.30. 3717 02:41:01,200 --> 02:41:06,540 I'd like to view that again. 3718 02:41:06,540 --> 02:41:10,540 April 17th, Open Meeting Law, 10 to 11.30. 3719 02:41:10,540 --> 02:41:12,540 You could sign us up for it. 3720 02:41:12,540 --> 02:41:15,540 That's a good one for one guy. 3721 02:41:15,540 --> 02:41:17,540 Yeah. 3722 02:41:17,540 --> 02:41:19,540 Everybody. 3723 02:41:19,540 --> 02:41:21,540 Any other new business? 3724 02:41:21,540 --> 02:41:24,629 I do. 3725 02:41:24,629 --> 02:41:29,629 John, you sent us something just for an announcement about the DEC. 3726 02:41:29,629 --> 02:41:35,629 The DEC revision to Vermont above-ground storage tanks for fuel. 3727 02:41:35,629 --> 02:41:37,819 Do you want to say anything about . . . 3728 02:41:37,819 --> 02:41:38,819 I did. 3729 02:41:38,819 --> 02:41:40,819 Yeah, I think it came from . . . 3730 02:41:40,819 --> 02:41:41,819 No, it came from . . . 3731 02:41:41,819 --> 02:41:42,819 Sorry. 3732 02:41:42,819 --> 02:41:43,819 Your statement just loaded it on. 3733 02:41:43,819 --> 02:41:44,819 Okay. 3734 02:41:44,819 --> 02:41:46,819 More rules based around flooding. 3735 02:41:46,819 --> 02:41:50,819 And above-ground storage tanks, but it's not quite a rule yet. 3736 02:41:50,819 --> 02:41:51,819 I think they're . . . 3737 02:41:51,819 --> 02:41:53,270 It's going to be. 3738 02:41:53,270 --> 02:41:56,270 I don't know what the new compliance is, but there's new regulations, right? 3739 02:41:56,270 --> 02:41:59,270 20 and 30, I think, that he has to do. 3740 02:41:59,270 --> 02:42:01,270 We're supposed to be on some of that . . . 3741 02:42:01,270 --> 02:42:02,270 Engel tanks? 3742 02:42:02,270 --> 02:42:03,270 Yeah. 3743 02:42:03,270 --> 02:42:05,270 Above-ground storage tank rules. 3744 02:42:05,270 --> 02:42:06,270 I think they're lengthening. 3745 02:42:06,270 --> 02:42:08,270 They're lengthening the length of the tank. 3746 02:42:08,270 --> 02:42:10,270 Probably different check valves and stuff like that. 3747 02:42:10,270 --> 02:42:12,270 They probably want a containment around it. 3748 02:42:12,270 --> 02:42:15,270 That holds petroleum heating fuel. 3749 02:42:15,270 --> 02:42:16,680 Yeah. 3750 02:42:16,680 --> 02:42:18,680 So that's . . . if you want to look . . . 3751 02:42:18,680 --> 02:42:23,680 It's all based around flooding and all the tanks that got washed away up in the state this year. 3752 02:42:23,680 --> 02:42:25,680 Yeah, talking about . . . 3753 02:42:25,680 --> 02:42:28,680 Our hazardous mitigation plan. 3754 02:42:28,680 --> 02:42:33,100 It's ready for public review. 3755 02:42:33,100 --> 02:42:38,389 And I'm not sure, did it get put on our website yet? 3756 02:42:38,389 --> 02:42:41,280 We need to do that. 3757 02:42:41,280 --> 02:42:42,280 Okay. 3758 02:42:42,280 --> 02:42:44,280 You could put it on our website. 3759 02:42:44,280 --> 02:42:49,280 And it's, I think, around . . . I looked. 3760 02:42:49,280 --> 02:42:53,319 I think it's around 95 pages, if anybody wants to read it. 3761 02:42:53,319 --> 02:42:55,569 Bill. 3762 02:42:55,569 --> 02:42:59,569 I don't know if Lori was reminding Bob Briggs about . . . 3763 02:42:59,569 --> 02:43:01,569 about a webinar. 3764 02:43:01,569 --> 02:43:04,280 Was that for the one that's coming Monday? 3765 02:43:04,280 --> 02:43:07,360 On the 25th? 3766 02:43:07,360 --> 02:43:13,360 So it's Thursday, March 28th from 8 to 4.30 p.m. in Londonbury. 3767 02:43:13,360 --> 02:43:14,360 Okay. 3768 02:43:14,360 --> 02:43:16,360 This is . . . that's something else. 3769 02:43:16,360 --> 02:43:21,360 On Monday the 25th, there's a webinar that starts at 2 o'clock. 3770 02:43:21,360 --> 02:43:27,200 It's on what goes into a local emergency management plan. 3771 02:43:27,200 --> 02:43:33,600 And since you all signed off on it, you might want to consider it. 3772 02:43:33,600 --> 02:43:40,639 Dara Zink sent out notice about it. 3773 02:43:40,639 --> 02:43:45,469 I'm pretty sure you were included in the distribution. 3774 02:43:45,469 --> 02:43:47,950 You probably need . . . 3775 02:43:47,950 --> 02:43:48,950 What time is it? 3776 02:43:48,950 --> 02:43:49,950 . . . the next day or so. 3777 02:43:49,950 --> 02:43:50,950 What time is it? 3778 02:43:50,950 --> 02:43:51,950 2 in the afternoon. 3779 02:43:51,950 --> 02:43:52,950 You do it here, also. 3780 02:43:52,950 --> 02:43:53,950 Monday, unless . . . 3781 02:43:53,950 --> 02:43:55,459 This coming Monday. 3782 02:43:55,459 --> 02:44:06,350 And the other thing I wanted to ask was, do you want to restore $50 for green-up day 3783 02:44:06,350 --> 02:44:08,350 out of your discretionary funds? 3784 02:44:08,350 --> 02:44:09,350 Otherwise, Brian has nothing to worry about. 3785 02:44:09,350 --> 02:44:10,350 Okay. 3786 02:44:10,350 --> 02:44:11,350 So, you're saying that you're going to work with . . . 3787 02:44:11,350 --> 02:44:14,350 You did not put it in the budget because you didn't have a green-up for . . . 3788 02:44:14,350 --> 02:44:15,350 I thought Marta was just going to . . . 3789 02:44:15,350 --> 02:44:20,350 Well, besides the cookies that Marta bakes, they might want to . . . 3790 02:44:20,350 --> 02:44:21,350 The $50 doesn't go to them. 3791 02:44:21,350 --> 02:44:22,350 It goes to the state. 3792 02:44:22,350 --> 02:44:23,350 It goes to the state. 3793 02:44:23,350 --> 02:44:24,350 But then they . . . 3794 02:44:24,350 --> 02:44:25,350 They've got these posters and . . . 3795 02:44:25,350 --> 02:44:26,350 They've got these posters and bags and everything. 3796 02:44:26,350 --> 02:44:27,379 They never requested . . . 3797 02:44:27,379 --> 02:44:28,379 Well, can we catch up to it or not if we had the $50 and gave it to the state? 3798 02:44:28,379 --> 02:44:29,379 No. 3799 02:44:29,379 --> 02:44:30,379 It wasn't . . . 3800 02:44:30,379 --> 02:44:31,379 . . 3801 02:44:31,379 --> 02:44:32,379 So, it wasn't . . . 3802 02:44:32,379 --> 02:44:33,379 . . 3803 02:44:33,379 --> 02:44:34,379 . . . 3804 02:44:34,379 --> 02:44:35,440 . . . 3805 02:44:35,440 --> 02:44:36,440 . . . 3806 02:44:36,440 --> 02:44:37,479 . . . . 3807 02:44:37,479 --> 02:44:38,479 . . . 3808 02:44:38,479 --> 02:44:45,510 But it's never been donated so that they can set up what they set up. 3809 02:44:45,510 --> 02:44:46,510 That was all just . . . 3810 02:44:46,510 --> 02:44:51,600 It goes to the state. 3811 02:44:51,600 --> 02:44:52,600 Okay. 3812 02:44:52,600 --> 02:44:53,700 I thought the money was supporting the effort here. 3813 02:44:53,700 --> 02:44:54,700 I didn't know it was going to the state. 3814 02:44:54,700 --> 02:44:55,700 No. 3815 02:44:55,700 --> 02:44:56,700 It was the state. 3816 02:44:56,700 --> 02:44:57,700 Does it go to the state so that they send us all the green bags? 3817 02:44:57,700 --> 02:44:58,700 I think they send them to us anyway. 3818 02:44:58,700 --> 02:44:59,700 They send us green . . . 3819 02:44:59,700 --> 02:45:00,700 I got the bags from . . . 3820 02:45:00,700 --> 02:45:01,700 Well, we need . . . 3821 02:45:01,700 --> 02:45:02,700 . . . 3822 02:45:02,700 --> 02:45:03,700 That box says a green bag. 3823 02:45:03,700 --> 02:45:04,700 . . . 3824 02:45:04,700 --> 02:45:05,700 . . . 3825 02:45:05,700 --> 02:45:06,700 . . . . 3826 02:45:06,700 --> 02:45:07,700 . . . . 3827 02:45:07,700 --> 02:45:08,700 . . . . 3828 02:45:08,700 --> 02:45:12,799 You'll need them for the sandbags for your land. 3829 02:45:12,799 --> 02:45:16,799 Thanks, thanks. 3830 02:45:16,799 --> 02:45:20,799 Brian, if you need anything at all about that, for finances. 3831 02:45:20,799 --> 02:45:24,799 That's important. 3832 02:45:24,799 --> 02:45:28,799 First Saturday of May. 3833 02:45:28,799 --> 02:45:32,799 You might even have the Christmas tree down by the time. 3834 02:45:32,799 --> 02:45:36,799 The fourth. Luke's taking fruit and nuts. 3835 02:45:36,799 --> 02:45:40,799 For the goats. 3836 02:45:40,799 --> 02:45:46,620 Any other new business? 3837 02:45:46,620 --> 02:45:50,719 Make a motion to go into executive session for personnel. 3838 02:45:50,719 --> 02:45:54,780 All in favor?