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Appointments. In your box, Lori left a list for appointed officers. Their terms have expired, and they're up for appointment.

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And I brought those two letters.

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I brought two letters. Last year, did we come to a meeting and say, anybody interested in these open positions, please give us a letter, or will we appoint them tonight?

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You're normal to disappoint anyone tonight, and if they're not interested, they'll let us know.

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I think one year you've had me send out letters asking if people were interested, but I think that's gone out of it.

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And I think, too, we've put it in minutes before, and not many people have come forward.

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We've had it in the minutes since we started, when we put the warning in the back.

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Anyone interested should look at the expired positions and let us know.

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And I just have these two letters.

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Was it expired, have not?

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Does anyone do it?

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Well, they haven't said they don't really do it.

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Okay.

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There's a letter from a couple of them.

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Yes, we have a letter from Sheila, and one letter from Nancy.

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And one letter from your chair, and one letter from Lisa, and one letter from Lisa Graham, and one letter from Lydia, and one letter from the planning committee.

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So, to make it easy on Lori, we will make the motion at the end, after we discuss these, and then we'll go to open.

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Bill, you had a question?

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Yeah, I didn't know how you were going to go about the list.

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We'll go down one by one, and...

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Okay, because I don't want to skip.

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Yeah, okay.

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So the first one we have is for Zoe.

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She's the zoning board of adjustment.

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Sheila Pecor was appointed.

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It was Peter Gruden's spot.

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And Sherm is up in 2024.

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And Dave Saldo is up in 2024.

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We had a letter from Sheila Pecor that she would like to be reappointed to the board.

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Yeah, I'll...

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Oh, you want to do them all?

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You don't have to sign.

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Do them individually, or...

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I think it needs to go to Lori, if you want.

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All right.

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Unless you have any objections going down.

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Well, that's my question.

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Oh.

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Go ahead.

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If we don't...

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Okay.

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If there's people on here that have not...

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Yeah.

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I'm going to use one for an example.

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Luke.

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Okay?

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No one sent the letter, but should we reach out to these people and ask if they wanted

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to be reappointed before we appoint someone?

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Well, that's what I was asking before.

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Typically, historically, we would just basically appoint the person that was appointed.

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Unless there was a...

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Okay.

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So let's move down.

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We have Erin, and then Lisa has sent a letter for that position.

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Right.

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Should we send out a letter to Erin or ask Erin first before we appoint her to Lisa?

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If you read my letter, it's as if there's a seat that's open.

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I don't want to take Erin's seat.

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Well, that's what I'm wondering.

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Is this open, though?

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Right.

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I don't want to take Erin's seat.

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I don't know if it's center open to me.

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I'm just going to try to figure out if...

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Okay.

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...this is the appointment for the seat.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So, we got the...

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Oh, you got the position.

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Yeah.

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center open tonight or because he's not here you know what i'm saying yeah he hasn't resigned but

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he also hasn't said why should we make it public to the people in town and his other interested

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parties well laurie does at the end of the minutes that's no one to step forward i understand her i

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understand lisa saying look if erin wants it you're good with that you're not trying to say

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i want it and pull that but if there was you don't understand i just want to make sure that we reach

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yeah i just didn't know how else to word it so i kept it short and sweet

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people especially someone like i'll take dave for example he's just been reappointed year after year

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he probably if we change the situation he may not realize that okay all of a sudden they got to

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come down and reapply right we want to change the whole formula we can do that but historically we

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would just reappoint people okay right and probably since mid-december we've added anyone interested

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in serving as an appointed board member

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please review the expiring appointed positions in the town report and contact a member of that board

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or the select board so these have been out since december laurie did you forward mine to the planning

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commission also i'm still i didn't get it slow because i did we said tonight okay we're going

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to appoint lisa because then i thought i thought aaron would get it that way well that's something

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i wonder if i text him

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one that really would be an issue yeah let me just send him a text

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kind of straighten it out

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yeah because i mean these people something might be

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so i mean i do have a question with some of my situations uh at the planning at the

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planning commission i mean i'm an ex-officio i kind of know what that means my term is off

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this year

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vote as a board to go down to seven i don't know if that position is just eliminated at that point

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i think that's what we've decided kirk it's not a vacancy though

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right because my seat is just gone we went from nine we went from nine to seven so i i'm assuming

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without any real uh you know knowledge on the statutes or wherever that that just disintegrates

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my position um that's my assumption i don't really know who decided to go down the side

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we did and move forward

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percent board now

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she's still a member but so it's seven seven when you guys

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right when you guys decided recognizing you were both ex-officio you chose you could have

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said there's two vacancies and kept it at nine but you went down to seven

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which seems to be smoother is that correct

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yes maybe in fairness to everybody we should have lori write a letter

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and just say if you'd like to be appointed to your current position

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please get back to lori or send the select board a letter saying you would

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like to be reappointed as energy coordinator or septic officer

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if we don't hear from you by next meeting

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next meeting we will appoint someone else in your position

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is that agreeable yes yes okay so that would be the time that i would then

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not accept the appointment to the conservation commission

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it probably would hurt if you get the letter

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so one one word just about the conservation commission quick

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if anyone really wants to get involved in tom's holiday

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that's the commission that i got my start at 12 years ago

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they don't meet but i would strongly suggest that someone tries to revive

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this thing just as an advisory type of work

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especially with all kinds of fema stuff going on

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you know invasive plants that come into the into the town

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these are conversations that they could have

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you know advise us on things that we should do

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you know as a select board it's a dead board i mean we don't need it's it's

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real easy it's a real easy involvement it

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shouldn't be dead

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17 aaron is staying it shouldn't be dead not the planning board the

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conservation okay aaron is staying yeah aaron's not on

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the conservation commission um i did get you mentioned the fema and

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conservation commission i did get a letter from fema

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saying uh they will be meeting soon

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fema community coordination meeting soon to discuss

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the preliminary data in the fairly small deer field

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river watershed portion of flood insurance rate map panels in our town

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who do we contact uh chair and town clerk and zoning administrator

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where is the deer field where does the deer feel right now

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it's probably got to be way up maybe the road that goes nowhere

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that's part of the deer field

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coming down

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what's that

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oh um

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yeah

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they want to know who to meet with soon

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so i don't know how soon this but

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did they probably didn't get in touch with you yet

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not yet

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i think they still want to know who's

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who the town clerk is

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who the chairman and who the administrative office is so i will get

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back

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i want to look at the deer field portion of

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the flood map

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where is that fancy i heard you guys talking about it the road that goes

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nowhere in cartwellville where they're walking

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if you go down past that show come back down

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yeah right before near the garage is the road where they all go

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snowmobiling you go all the way back up that

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there's brooks to go back into stanford okay

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so that brook that comes out runs down towards neutral but there's not much is

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there

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blood

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there

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right

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APPLAUSE

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mud pond

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yeah

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this morning brook goes in right here

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usually

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right

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here in the oh i guess��릴게요

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okay so we are not going to do any

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Tonight we're going to leave everybody as is.

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No, I didn't even say your name.

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Who's that?

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I'm letting him know.

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You're only thinking of us.

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It's like, yep.

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Okay.

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Judicial Bureau appointments.

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Lori, can you tell us?

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So the five-slot board are normally issuing officials and appearing officials at the Judicial Bureau.

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So you would probably need to remove Marie and add John and Bob.

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I believe everyone else should stay the same.

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Yeah.

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That's the Justice and the Peace?

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No, this is on the Court.

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Oh, okay.

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I thought it was like that Board of Appeals.

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No.

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It's the issue.

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It's all of us.

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It's not just, like, the...

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Well, say if you see something that's wrong, you want to be the appearing official also.

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Not me.

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Because I didn't see what was happening.

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So we can be issuing and appearing officials.

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So I wanted the motion that we remove Marie and Pam and add John and Doug.

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Second.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Designation of meeting dates.

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Keep it the first and third Thursday of the month.

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Yeah, just getting the hang of that.

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Yeah, well, I'm just trying to change it.

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Yeah, well, I'm just trying to change it.

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I've been waiting for 10 years and it won't go before me.

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Did you have another meeting?

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Yeah.

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6 o'clock.

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Works for everybody.

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6 o'clock.

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Designation of newspaper for publication.

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Right now we put our legal notices in the EGLE.

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The fellow, the attorney that does our tax sales said that the Bennington banner is much,

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much cheaper.

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So I called the EGLE to ask how many...

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People get home delivery and how many get just online for each, the EGLE and the banner.

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So the EGLE, there's 37 families that get the EGLE and 7 that just get digital.

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But of the 37, they can get digital and hard copy.

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So there's 42 and the banner is 3 people get hard copy and 2 just digital.

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So I think we probably have...

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Do we stick with the EGLE?

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Yeah, I was actually surprised 42 people get papers.

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I know.

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Or do we...

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My father brings them to me.

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How many are at Belmont?

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They don't deliver it to where I live.

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Yeah, he just gives me a stack every time he sees me.

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What's the difference?

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It's a little bit faster.

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I know.

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I'm a director here, but I know there's some people up in Bennington who can't get

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the EGLE.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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We are going to have to give them the EGLE for wind, and things of that sort.

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I question if we need to do a newspaper at all?

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Yes.

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That's legal.

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It has to be paper?

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Legal.

257
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It has to be papers.

258
00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:35,620
Would you and do like an online, like iVerger, or something like that?

259
00:14:35,620 --> 00:14:36,620
What'd you say?

260
00:14:36,620 --> 00:14:37,620
Would be arranged?

261
00:14:37,620 --> 00:14:38,620
She said it had to be, and I said I think the statute reads a newspaper in general circulation

262
00:14:38,620 --> 00:14:41,620
in your town, so you can try to pick what you want.

263
00:14:41,620 --> 00:14:42,620
Okay.

264
00:14:42,620 --> 00:14:43,620
Do you see what will the Beyoncé horn?

265
00:14:43,620 --> 00:14:44,620
Oh.

266
00:14:44,620 --> 00:14:45,620
That's an easy one.

267
00:14:45,620 --> 00:14:54,009
I like myself the Deerfield Valley that seems to get some a little bit of local news

268
00:14:54,009 --> 00:14:57,909
but it tells what's going on in other towns like what are they dealing with

269
00:14:57,909 --> 00:15:04,129
floods snow removal roads the mud roads and they're dealing with the same thing

270
00:15:04,129 --> 00:15:06,669
as we are

271
00:15:34,379 --> 00:15:37,379
Do you want to do a vote for your vote any time?

272
00:15:37,379 --> 00:15:40,769
Oh yeah, okay. Motion.

273
00:15:40,769 --> 00:15:43,769
Second through meetings. All in favor? Aye.

274
00:15:43,769 --> 00:15:44,769
Yeah.

275
00:15:44,769 --> 00:15:48,470
Designation of select board member to review bills.

276
00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:50,470
I'll make an answer to the chief.

277
00:15:50,470 --> 00:15:59,820
These could be done on the week. Some months we have three pay periods and we don't have a meeting

278
00:15:59,820 --> 00:16:04,139
so I'm sure the board would like to get paid.

279
00:16:04,139 --> 00:16:05,179
Okay.

280
00:16:05,179 --> 00:16:06,179
Yeah.

281
00:16:06,179 --> 00:16:09,990
No.

282
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:10,990
Yay.

283
00:16:10,990 --> 00:16:14,409
I'm not going to say the rest.

284
00:16:14,409 --> 00:16:17,659
What was your motion?

285
00:16:17,659 --> 00:16:18,659
For you.

286
00:16:18,659 --> 00:16:19,700
Okay.

287
00:16:19,700 --> 00:16:20,700
Second.

288
00:16:20,700 --> 00:16:21,700
Second.

289
00:16:21,700 --> 00:16:22,700
All in favor?

290
00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:23,700
Aye.

291
00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:25,019
Aye.

292
00:16:25,019 --> 00:16:27,019
Designation of highway liaison.

293
00:16:27,019 --> 00:16:29,330
Brown.

294
00:16:29,330 --> 00:16:30,330
Kirk.

295
00:16:30,330 --> 00:16:31,330
Yeah.

296
00:16:31,330 --> 00:16:32,330
You expressed interest in that?

297
00:16:32,330 --> 00:16:33,330
Yeah.

298
00:16:33,330 --> 00:16:37,000
Yeah, I came out of school though. I can do them both.

299
00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,000
Whatever.

300
00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,000
Nice.

301
00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,000
The school's not on here.

302
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,000
There you go.

303
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,000
Oh yeah?

304
00:16:42,379 --> 00:16:43,379
Where's it at at?

305
00:16:43,379 --> 00:16:44,379
I don't know.

306
00:16:44,379 --> 00:16:45,379
We just pulled it out of the air last year.

307
00:16:45,379 --> 00:16:46,379
Not only Kirk.

308
00:16:46,379 --> 00:16:47,669
Any second?

309
00:16:47,669 --> 00:16:48,669
Second.

310
00:16:48,669 --> 00:16:49,669
On data.

311
00:16:49,669 --> 00:16:50,830
All right.

312
00:16:50,830 --> 00:16:51,830
Kirk, you're up.

313
00:16:51,830 --> 00:16:52,830
All right.

314
00:16:52,830 --> 00:16:53,830
Well, I think the school's not on here.

315
00:16:53,830 --> 00:16:54,830
We just pulled it out of the air last year.

316
00:16:54,830 --> 00:16:55,830
We did.

317
00:16:55,830 --> 00:16:56,830
Yeah.

318
00:16:56,830 --> 00:16:57,830
Just in the moment.

319
00:16:57,830 --> 00:16:58,830
I think it was because we weren't having those joint meetings but I tell you, Erica,

320
00:16:58,830 --> 00:16:59,830
after this town meeting, Erica actually approached me and said she wants to get back to those

321
00:16:59,830 --> 00:17:00,830
joint meetings and try to, you know, work a couple of things out.

322
00:17:00,830 --> 00:17:01,830
Once they're done, they're done.

323
00:17:01,830 --> 00:17:02,830
Yeah.

324
00:17:02,830 --> 00:17:03,830
Yeah.

325
00:17:03,830 --> 00:17:04,829
Yeah.

326
00:17:04,829 --> 00:17:05,829
Yeah.

327
00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:06,829
Yeah.

328
00:17:06,829 --> 00:17:07,829
Yeah.

329
00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:08,829
Yeah.

330
00:17:08,829 --> 00:17:09,829
Yeah.

331
00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:10,900
Yeah.

332
00:17:10,900 --> 00:17:11,900
Yeah.

333
00:17:11,900 --> 00:17:12,900
But right now the town office wants to do it.

334
00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:13,900
They want to edit it in here.

335
00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:14,900
I don't see it hardware, I think, but it's not on the wall.

336
00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:20,569
Well I think anybody that wants to go and report back to the board...

337
00:17:20,569 --> 00:17:21,569
Yes.

338
00:17:21,569 --> 00:17:26,569
...you really didn't...you heard what happened there and then you came back anyway so I guess

339
00:17:26,569 --> 00:17:27,569
any one of us could go.

340
00:17:27,569 --> 00:17:28,569
But what you need is we can always get back.

341
00:17:28,569 --> 00:17:29,569
I think the original fact was some of what you brought up at a meeting here tonight was

342
00:17:29,569 --> 00:17:30,569
about how to manage infrastructure...

343
00:17:30,569 --> 00:17:31,569
Right.

344
00:17:31,569 --> 00:17:36,569
...and who should pay for what and stuff like conversation that we should have.

345
00:17:36,569 --> 00:17:39,470
I asked about the town office windows cause every year, the school board replaced a few

346
00:17:39,470 --> 00:17:41,470
windows and I don't know, maybe it was the district.

347
00:17:41,470 --> 00:17:42,470
I don't know.

348
00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:46,970
north side, east side, whatever, and they have two more windows to go

349
00:17:46,970 --> 00:17:51,289
behind Teresa's desk, and Erica

350
00:17:51,289 --> 00:17:52,710
thinks they're in the budget.

351
00:17:55,569 --> 00:17:57,150
Yeah, thinks they're in the budget.

352
00:17:58,460 --> 00:18:01,319
Another one that isn't on here that I thought of later

353
00:18:01,319 --> 00:18:04,000
is the website.

354
00:18:09,650 --> 00:18:12,470
Designation of sheriff or state police liaison.

355
00:18:13,269 --> 00:18:15,130
Mike, do you want to continue doing that?

356
00:18:15,130 --> 00:18:16,369
I don't mind.

357
00:18:16,849 --> 00:18:17,970
There's not much to do now.

358
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:19,349
Motion.

359
00:18:20,450 --> 00:18:21,109
Do we need it?

360
00:18:21,529 --> 00:18:22,569
Oh, I can still do it.

361
00:18:23,069 --> 00:18:25,450
I have a good idea.

362
00:18:27,150 --> 00:18:27,710
Okay.

363
00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:30,460
Can I have a motion to appoint Mike?

364
00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:31,259
Motion.

365
00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:32,640
Any seconds?

366
00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:33,319
Seconds.

367
00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:34,400
All in favor?

368
00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,940
I seem pretty dead here tonight, but you don't know.

369
00:18:38,859 --> 00:18:42,839
Well, if you still, if there's time, we might just need to call the sheriff

370
00:18:42,839 --> 00:18:44,220
if we want it or not.

371
00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:45,400
You know what I mean?

372
00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:45,420
Yeah.

373
00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:46,720
I don't know if I can call the state troopers or something.

374
00:18:46,839 --> 00:18:51,619
I'd call the state troopers just because people have reached out to me and said that things

375
00:18:51,619 --> 00:18:56,039
weren't what they wanted, and I just reached out and said, you know, this is a communication.

376
00:18:56,579 --> 00:18:56,960
That's it.

377
00:18:57,079 --> 00:18:57,599
What happened?

378
00:18:57,900 --> 00:18:58,039
Yeah.

379
00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,400
You know, they didn't know last year.

380
00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:00,599
It's a good one.

381
00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,420
It's good to have that communication back and forth.

382
00:19:05,490 --> 00:19:07,670
Designation of D.V. Fiber representative.

383
00:19:07,910 --> 00:19:11,130
Last year, it was Bob Briggs, Bill Levine, and C.J.

384
00:19:12,809 --> 00:19:14,509
Should we send them a letter again?

385
00:19:15,619 --> 00:19:15,980
Bob.

386
00:19:16,180 --> 00:19:17,720
Bob, I would like to continue.

387
00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:18,400
Okay.

388
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:25,339
I have not discussed it with C.J., and he has not attended anything since you appointed me.

389
00:19:26,299 --> 00:19:29,140
So, perhaps a letter if he wants to continue.

390
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,880
So, a motion for Bob and Bill.

391
00:19:33,259 --> 00:19:33,559
Second.

392
00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:34,579
All in favor?

393
00:19:35,140 --> 00:19:35,619
Aye.

394
00:19:35,819 --> 00:19:38,640
Did you get the paperwork from D.V. Fiber, too?

395
00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,859
There's a form that you have to fill out?

396
00:19:41,599 --> 00:19:41,839
Okay.

397
00:19:42,609 --> 00:19:43,390
I'm pretty sure I did.

398
00:19:43,670 --> 00:19:44,150
Okay.

399
00:19:44,329 --> 00:19:47,190
Now, I think I got, I think they sent me one, too.

400
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:50,470
I got hooked up yesterday with the silk.

401
00:19:51,299 --> 00:19:51,579
Yes.

402
00:19:51,579 --> 00:19:52,140
I see it's going to be.

403
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:52,819
Yes.

404
00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:53,519
Just saying.

405
00:19:53,660 --> 00:19:55,759
Did you get your phone hooked up with it, too, or no?

406
00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:56,019
No.

407
00:19:56,019 --> 00:19:56,640
That's separate.

408
00:19:56,839 --> 00:19:57,240
That's separate.

409
00:19:58,059 --> 00:19:58,279
Yeah.

410
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,900
Now, I'm just doing cell phones.

411
00:20:01,759 --> 00:20:04,759
I'm just going to get rid of it and consolidate it in my memory altogether.

412
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,160
Because, you know, the power outage, you couldn't use it anyway.

413
00:20:07,380 --> 00:20:11,960
You know, I was like, why am I taking, you know, jump calls?

414
00:20:12,339 --> 00:20:12,500
Right.

415
00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:17,359
Do you, so, on your cell phone, do you get, does it go through?

416
00:20:17,380 --> 00:20:20,240
Do you get it through your computer, or do you get cell service up there?

417
00:20:20,259 --> 00:20:20,779
You can do both.

418
00:20:20,839 --> 00:20:25,819
I get cell service, or it can go, you can, I can get Wi-Fi calls, but I can also get regular calls.

419
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,380
Sometimes I have to walk up to Doug's.

420
00:20:28,180 --> 00:20:31,160
If you get cell, yeah, if it's windy or cloudy.

421
00:20:31,559 --> 00:20:36,519
But usually I still, you know, if I step out onto my front, if y'all see me sitting out on my front stoop,

422
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,359
drinking a glass of wine and talking to somebody on the phone, it's because I'm getting better reception there.

423
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,519
But generally, my cell phone works great.

424
00:20:44,279 --> 00:20:46,460
Sometimes I have to say, I have to walk a little bit up the hill.

425
00:20:46,460 --> 00:20:47,059
I understand.

426
00:20:47,380 --> 00:20:50,559
And the battery that that's up to, and the power goes out.

427
00:20:50,579 --> 00:20:50,819
Six.

428
00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:51,400
Yep.

429
00:20:51,559 --> 00:20:51,799
Yeah.

430
00:20:52,660 --> 00:20:54,339
Five house disconnected this week.

431
00:20:54,559 --> 00:20:54,799
Good.

432
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:57,859
Well, it's quick.

433
00:20:58,579 --> 00:20:59,339
Start going out.

434
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,079
So quick.

435
00:21:00,319 --> 00:21:00,660
Mm-hmm.

436
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,019
And my son found that we can stream now.

437
00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:06,799
I go, I don't know anything about that.

438
00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:07,539
Oh, girl.

439
00:21:07,779 --> 00:21:11,640
Just as a side comment, the entire town has been released for connection.

440
00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:16,839
All of, you know, they had originally done the north end of town and then the south end,

441
00:21:16,839 --> 00:21:18,700
and there was kind of a middle, which was over.

442
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:26,289
We're toward East Rose as of Wednesday, the entire town was available for connection.

443
00:21:28,410 --> 00:21:29,250
Nice young man.

444
00:21:29,289 --> 00:21:30,089
Very polite.

445
00:21:30,210 --> 00:21:30,750
Ishmael.

446
00:21:31,670 --> 00:21:33,329
No, I can't say it was Ryan.

447
00:21:33,329 --> 00:21:33,730
Come on.

448
00:21:33,730 --> 00:21:34,230
Ishmael.

449
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:34,730
Look at that.

450
00:21:34,730 --> 00:21:35,109
12.

451
00:21:35,109 --> 00:21:35,890
I have a question.

452
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:37,529
Oh, yeah.

453
00:21:38,009 --> 00:21:44,009
Um, just to clarify, the only thing that eight hour battery does is keep your motor running.

454
00:21:44,269 --> 00:21:45,910
It doesn't do anything for your router.

455
00:21:46,450 --> 00:21:50,230
So if you want to keep your router and your modem going, you need to find a separate

456
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:51,789
battery backup for that.

457
00:21:52,890 --> 00:21:56,930
So you can't use it without the route without the right to use it without the router.

458
00:21:57,369 --> 00:22:02,589
Well, it's designed for the telephone part to keep the modem because it's the modem has the

459
00:22:02,589 --> 00:22:06,369
telephone section in it, and so it's only designed to keep your phone running.

460
00:22:06,970 --> 00:22:11,170
So you'll have to get a separate battery to keep your router running for the Wi-Fi.

461
00:22:11,829 --> 00:22:12,329
Yeah.

462
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,559
Found that out the hard way.

463
00:22:17,269 --> 00:22:17,769
Turn it down.

464
00:22:19,549 --> 00:22:20,549
You read my candle.

465
00:22:23,220 --> 00:22:24,519
So it doesn't work.

466
00:22:24,519 --> 00:22:24,920
It doesn't work.

467
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:31,619
Someone to, um, work, uh, to, uh, keep up our website.

468
00:22:32,259 --> 00:22:35,980
Um, Marie was doing it last year.

469
00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:38,140
She offered to continue doing it.

470
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:47,579
Uh, we, I believe we found that it worked pretty good if we had a select board member

471
00:22:47,579 --> 00:22:54,279
doing it or somebody out of the office because we've had problems before, but it's up to

472
00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:56,380
you guys who you want to.

473
00:22:56,740 --> 00:22:57,720
Could that be working?

474
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,380
Appointed position like some of these other positions are appointed.

475
00:23:02,099 --> 00:23:04,200
Well, I mean, I don't want anything to do with me.

476
00:23:04,740 --> 00:23:06,960
Yeah, I, I don't even think about it anyway.

477
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,599
No, it's up to you.

478
00:23:09,619 --> 00:23:12,960
I mean, I used to do it as part of the core job.

479
00:23:13,259 --> 00:23:14,099
The way you wanted it.

480
00:23:14,099 --> 00:23:15,000
She did a good job.

481
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:15,400
Yeah.

482
00:23:15,779 --> 00:23:16,920
We're going to do it.

483
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:24,190
So whether you want to go outside the board, but you're still sending your stuff to put on.

484
00:23:24,190 --> 00:23:24,430
Right.

485
00:23:24,430 --> 00:23:28,660
So you're, I guess that's my question.

486
00:23:28,660 --> 00:23:28,759
Yeah.

487
00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:29,299
So you're sending.

488
00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:34,359
The stuff outside now, if you want to keep it, do you want to just put it on or do you

489
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,940
want to say, well, is it a lot of work?

490
00:23:36,940 --> 00:23:43,210
That's what now that it's all more on you, it's really not that hard to do.

491
00:23:43,210 --> 00:23:45,589
I'd be willing if you need somebody to do it.

492
00:23:45,589 --> 00:23:46,690
I'd be more than willing to do it.

493
00:23:49,230 --> 00:23:51,089
Well, Marie said she would be right.

494
00:23:51,089 --> 00:23:53,549
No, I'm just saying if you need somebody, I'd be more than willing to do it.

495
00:23:53,549 --> 00:23:59,609
The problem I think that was with Marie was, um, the website somehow wasn't.

496
00:23:59,609 --> 00:23:59,670
Yeah.

497
00:23:59,670 --> 00:23:59,710
Yeah.

498
00:23:59,710 --> 00:23:59,750
Yeah.

499
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:59,789
Yeah.

500
00:23:59,789 --> 00:23:59,829
Yeah.

501
00:23:59,829 --> 00:23:59,849
Yeah.

502
00:23:59,849 --> 00:23:59,869
Yeah.

503
00:23:59,869 --> 00:23:59,910
Yeah.

504
00:23:59,910 --> 00:23:59,930
Yeah.

505
00:23:59,930 --> 00:23:59,990
Yeah.

506
00:23:59,990 --> 00:24:00,009
Yeah.

507
00:24:00,009 --> 00:24:00,029
Yeah.

508
00:24:00,029 --> 00:24:00,069
Yeah.

509
00:24:00,069 --> 00:24:00,109
Yeah.

510
00:24:00,109 --> 00:24:00,150
Yeah.

511
00:24:00,150 --> 00:24:00,190
Yeah.

512
00:24:00,190 --> 00:24:00,230
Yeah.

513
00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:00,289
Yeah.

514
00:24:00,289 --> 00:24:00,309
Yeah.

515
00:24:00,690 --> 00:24:01,690
Yeah.

516
00:24:01,930 --> 00:24:01,950
Yeah.

517
00:24:01,950 --> 00:24:02,109
Yeah.

518
00:24:02,109 --> 00:24:02,630
Yeah.

519
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:02,710
Yeah.

520
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:03,029
Yeah.

521
00:24:04,450 --> 00:24:04,670
Yeah.

522
00:24:04,670 --> 00:24:04,690
Yeah.

523
00:24:04,690 --> 00:24:04,750
Yeah.

524
00:24:04,750 --> 00:24:04,769
Yeah.

525
00:24:04,769 --> 00:24:04,789
Yeah.

526
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:04,930
Yeah.

527
00:24:05,549 --> 00:24:05,869
Yeah.

528
00:24:06,009 --> 00:24:06,069
Yeah.

529
00:24:06,109 --> 00:24:06,170
Yeah.

530
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:09,029
Yeah.

531
00:24:09,069 --> 00:24:09,170
Yeah.

532
00:24:09,369 --> 00:24:09,769
Yeah.

533
00:24:09,910 --> 00:24:10,069
Yeah.

534
00:24:10,069 --> 00:24:10,170
Yeah.

535
00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:10,289
Yeah.

536
00:24:10,329 --> 00:24:10,450
Yeah.

537
00:24:10,450 --> 00:24:10,849
Yeah.

538
00:24:10,849 --> 00:24:13,289
When it first started, that's exactly what it was.

539
00:24:13,369 --> 00:24:13,589
Yeah.

540
00:24:13,769 --> 00:24:16,609
It was not getting, I don't think we knew what we wanted.

541
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:20,529
Like even the election stuff wasn't on the website for the longest time.

542
00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:20,789
Yeah.

543
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:21,029
Right.

544
00:24:21,130 --> 00:24:21,329
Right.

545
00:24:21,970 --> 00:24:25,849
So I just think there needs to be some kind of liaison with Marie if she's going to be

546
00:24:25,849 --> 00:24:28,230
doing the site since she's not on the board anymore.

547
00:24:28,369 --> 00:24:30,630
Do you want to try it for a year or just let, what's the, what do you think?

548
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:42,049
I don't have a problem with that as long as we can make sure that it stays within our

549
00:24:42,049 --> 00:24:45,049
guidelines that things don't get put on that they don't work.

550
00:24:45,049 --> 00:24:47,369
Right, right.

551
00:24:47,369 --> 00:24:50,369
That's basically how we managed it last year.

552
00:24:50,369 --> 00:24:53,369
I don't think she was going to try to read into something like that.

553
00:24:53,369 --> 00:24:55,369
I don't think so.

554
00:24:55,369 --> 00:25:00,720
I don't think she was going into the town, so she's just going to judge.

555
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,880
I don't have a problem with that.

556
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:03,880
Okay.

557
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,880
Thank you.

558
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:12,099
Do we want to appoint a Marie for a year and see how it works?

559
00:25:12,099 --> 00:25:14,289
Yeah.

560
00:25:14,289 --> 00:25:16,289
Whatever you guys want.

561
00:25:16,289 --> 00:25:17,289
Do we need a motion?

562
00:25:17,289 --> 00:25:18,289
Motion.

563
00:25:18,289 --> 00:25:19,289
Second?

564
00:25:19,289 --> 00:25:20,289
Second.

565
00:25:20,289 --> 00:25:21,289
All in favor?

566
00:25:21,289 --> 00:25:22,450
Aye.

567
00:25:22,450 --> 00:25:23,450
Okay.

568
00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:27,940
I think that's all our appointments.

569
00:25:27,940 --> 00:25:31,640
Hearing of visitors.

570
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,640
Okay.

571
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,640
We talked about recording video and our meetings.

572
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,640
So I'd like to try to keep doing that.

573
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,640
I'm doing it now with my cell phone to see how that works for sound and quality.

574
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,640
I've got a couple other things at the house.

575
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,640
So as we do meetings, I'm just going to, if that's all right with everyone.

576
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,630
Do you have to let people know that you're recording?

577
00:25:55,630 --> 00:25:59,630
I mean, we're in the public here, so I think you need our information.

578
00:25:59,630 --> 00:26:01,630
We can make that statement.

579
00:26:01,630 --> 00:26:02,630
If he's doing it for you.

580
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:06,630
If he's doing it for the SLATnet, we should make that statement at the end of the recording.

581
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:11,630
If we are doing it for the SLAT board, I would like to make sure that it stays within the

582
00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:14,630
SLAT board and doesn't go out on social media.

583
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:19,630
Because what happens on social media is they can add things to it, put the music to it,

584
00:26:19,630 --> 00:26:20,630
make it look.

585
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:22,630
I've seen it on YouTube where .

586
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:24,630
What is it going to be?

587
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:25,630
Yes.

588
00:26:25,630 --> 00:26:26,630
It needs to be hosted.

589
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:27,630
Yes.

590
00:26:27,630 --> 00:26:28,630
Let me see it.

591
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:31,630
If you're recording it for the SLAT board, where does the recording stay?

592
00:26:31,630 --> 00:26:34,049
How do people get a copy of it?

593
00:26:34,049 --> 00:26:37,049
Because I don't want to be bugging Lori.

594
00:26:37,049 --> 00:26:40,049
They're going to be here 24-7 for Lori.

595
00:26:40,049 --> 00:26:47,049
My idea there would be almost to, I can do it, send it to Marie.

596
00:26:47,049 --> 00:26:51,049
Marie can attach it to the minutes for the website.

597
00:26:51,049 --> 00:26:52,049
So I guess it could go on social media anyway.

598
00:26:52,049 --> 00:26:53,049
Yes.

599
00:26:53,049 --> 00:26:58,049
So I mean, if you're going to give it to the public, anything can happen to it.

600
00:26:58,049 --> 00:26:59,049
Right.

601
00:26:59,049 --> 00:27:01,049
Once it's public, anything can happen to it.

602
00:27:01,049 --> 00:27:07,049
But anybody wanting an official version is getting it from the town website.

603
00:27:07,049 --> 00:27:12,049
So unless they are looking for trouble, they can get it from the town website.

604
00:27:12,049 --> 00:27:13,049
If they could, they wanted to.

605
00:27:13,049 --> 00:27:15,049
Just like they could take a picture and put a mustache on it.

606
00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:17,049
It would just be a good, you know.

607
00:27:17,049 --> 00:27:20,049
Somebody might take off your clothes, Mike.

608
00:27:20,049 --> 00:27:21,049
Exactly.

609
00:27:21,049 --> 00:27:28,049
There's a big sign there, beware underneath this.

610
00:27:28,049 --> 00:27:30,049
And people can get a copy of that recording.

611
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:34,049
But mostly she's recording it for her summer examinations.

612
00:27:34,049 --> 00:27:40,049
The minutes only need to be who's in attendance and who makes the motion and seconds of what

613
00:27:40,049 --> 00:27:41,049
the motion is.

614
00:27:41,049 --> 00:27:44,049
You don't have to put anything else in there.

615
00:27:44,049 --> 00:27:47,049
We can always use like some kind of legal document or something, right?

616
00:27:47,049 --> 00:27:51,240
Before we, like, put it out.

617
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:58,240
There are many towns that do a video of their meeting for people who, you know, work late,

618
00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,240
have little kids, whatever.

619
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,240
I mean.

620
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,240
Accessibility to our town meeting is a good thing, right?

621
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,240
More people should know.

622
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,240
I mean, I just think we need something more inviting rather than just making a decision

623
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,240
right now.

624
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,240
I mean, it's an open meeting.

625
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,240
It's already in the open meeting.

626
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,240
And Vermont's law is as long as one party knows it's happening.

627
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,240
Right.

628
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,240
So that's, that's kind of how it, how it lands.

629
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,240
We learned that with our dog catcher.

630
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,240
Yeah.

631
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,240
Do you want me to get in touch with Vermont League of Cities and Towns to see what they

632
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,240
have to mind?

633
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,240
Yeah.

634
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,240
Yeah.

635
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,240
Yeah.

636
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,240
Yeah.

637
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,240
Yeah.

638
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,240
Yeah.

639
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,240
Yeah.

640
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,240
Yeah.

641
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,240
Yeah.

642
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,240
Yeah.

643
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,240
Yeah.

644
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,240
Yeah.

645
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,240
Yeah.

646
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,240
Yeah.

647
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,240
Yeah.

648
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,240
Yeah.

649
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,240
Yeah.

650
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,240
Yeah.

651
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,589
Yeah.

652
00:28:32,589 --> 00:28:33,589
It's suddenly out of season about policies.

653
00:28:33,589 --> 00:28:37,660
You can't so.

654
00:28:37,660 --> 00:28:38,660
I mean, I know, like you said, I'm a personal and like, legally, he can just record that

655
00:28:38,660 --> 00:28:39,660
right now.

656
00:28:39,660 --> 00:28:40,660
He doesn't have to tell anybody.

657
00:28:40,660 --> 00:28:41,660
NO.

658
00:28:41,660 --> 00:28:42,660
Right.

659
00:28:42,660 --> 00:28:43,660
He records it.

660
00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:44,660
He'd say, hey, I'm recording this.

661
00:28:44,660 --> 00:28:45,660
Yeah.

662
00:28:45,660 --> 00:28:46,660
And there's nothing he can do about it.

663
00:28:46,660 --> 00:28:47,660
It's like, ready to pour it into the company.

664
00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:48,660
Right.

665
00:28:48,660 --> 00:28:50,160
I think, you know, the point is to get it, because obviously, not many people can attend

666
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,160
meetings.

667
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,160
Right.

668
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,200
The thing is have more transparency and involvement across town, so people with,

669
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,380
Sure.

670
00:28:54,380 --> 00:28:55,380
...cooking dinner come in.

671
00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:56,380
Sure.

672
00:28:56,380 --> 00:28:57,380
Yeah.

673
00:28:57,380 --> 00:28:58,380
Sure.

674
00:28:58,380 --> 00:28:59,380
Sure.

675
00:28:59,380 --> 00:29:02,099
The thing is to have more transparency and involvement for our town,

676
00:29:02,220 --> 00:29:04,900
so people with cooking dinner at home for their kids right now

677
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:06,839
can be more involved with our town government.

678
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,700
I think it's a win-win, you know.

679
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,819
I don't disagree with that.

680
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:10,940
I just want to make sure.

681
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:17,250
So I think the town website is a place, like when Lori puts the minutes up,

682
00:29:17,289 --> 00:29:20,569
I think a link right there that would bring you to the video would make sense.

683
00:29:23,509 --> 00:29:26,750
And until you guys decide, I'll just keep them to myself.

684
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,619
You should just ask the LTC.

685
00:29:30,619 --> 00:29:32,400
Is the school board recording?

686
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,619
No, I'm not going to show you a lawyer.

687
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:34,220
No way.

688
00:29:35,180 --> 00:29:35,740
What's that?

689
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:38,819
The school board, do they do video, or is it just Zoom?

690
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,839
They do Zoom every meeting.

691
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,579
But they're not looking at the people out in the audience.

692
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:47,240
Do they record the Zoom, or do they just have the Zoom at that moment?

693
00:29:47,420 --> 00:29:48,180
I'm not sure.

694
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:49,940
I'm not sure if they record it.

695
00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:54,160
Yeah, I think it's just like you can live stream.

696
00:29:55,539 --> 00:29:57,059
Because you can record Zoom easy enough.

697
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,599
Maybe the school board should also put that on there.

698
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:01,019
But, you know, if I had to do tech,

699
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:02,599
they could on their own computer.

700
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:04,700
He's very, I know.

701
00:30:06,619 --> 00:30:08,180
It's hard to control any of it.

702
00:30:08,339 --> 00:30:08,680
Right, right.

703
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,019
Oh, I'm not going to do that.

704
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,200
I don't know if they have a broad.

705
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,140
You can't record somebody without their knowledge, not in Vermont.

706
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,619
Only one party has to know.

707
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,900
So the person recording knows.

708
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,299
In Massachusetts, both parties know.

709
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:28,859
That actual situation with the dog officer that we had,

710
00:30:28,859 --> 00:30:30,960
he recorded someone in town.

711
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:36,539
He came to my shop and talked to me and asked if I could record you while we're talking.

712
00:30:36,539 --> 00:30:37,539
I said, absolutely not.

713
00:30:37,539 --> 00:30:40,539
I said, I don't want you to record me right now.

714
00:30:40,539 --> 00:30:42,539
I didn't want you to talk to me at all.

715
00:30:42,539 --> 00:30:46,869
But that's for the half of a mask, which makes sense, I guess.

716
00:30:46,869 --> 00:30:49,869
I don't have a problem with that, but it doesn't hurt to reach out.

717
00:30:49,869 --> 00:30:51,869
Alright, I'll let you do that.

718
00:30:51,869 --> 00:30:52,869
It's your check.

719
00:30:52,869 --> 00:30:53,869
It's all baby steps.

720
00:30:53,869 --> 00:30:54,869
Exactly.

721
00:30:54,869 --> 00:30:58,279
Any other visitors?

722
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:00,109
No?

723
00:31:00,109 --> 00:31:05,430
Um, reading and approval of records and orders.

724
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:07,430
What's the date from February 15th?

725
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:08,430
Motion to approve.

726
00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:10,549
All in favor?

727
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:13,759
Yes.

728
00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:14,759
All in favor?

729
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:15,950
I guess it's up to you.

730
00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:16,950
Yes.

731
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:17,950
These are the orders going around.

732
00:31:17,950 --> 00:31:27,220
There's four sets, and if everybody wants to look over.

733
00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:33,099
In the past, we've gone through every bill and looked at them.

734
00:31:33,099 --> 00:31:37,720
Some boards didn't want to do that because it took up too much time, so if you want to

735
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,720
look at them ahead of time, before the meeting or before the meeting, it's up to you.

736
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:47,440
i come in like the day before and look them over when it's quiet and peaceful because i don't want

737
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:58,210
to sign anything that that's a lot of money yeah so pass these around and your signature

738
00:31:58,210 --> 00:32:07,809
so be sure to sign the last page so you kind of pre-approved everything right yes okay but

739
00:32:07,809 --> 00:32:14,930
laurie and theresa know what bills have to be paid and if there's a question hey nance we got

740
00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:20,210
a big one here or what's going on here so we'll hold it and i put a note on there so the board

741
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:27,009
sees that that we spent ten thousand dollars on right and we've been else we've been so what's

742
00:32:27,009 --> 00:32:36,720
going on here yeah yep i think what my point was you've you've kind of gone through them all so

743
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,680
this they can

744
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,599
almost streamline signing it like each person yeah they can if they want yeah

745
00:33:06,769 --> 00:33:15,009
this is dave's time sheet what equipment he uses on what day and usually what road

746
00:33:17,619 --> 00:33:25,299
or in his time she can tell what world he's working on and trading or ditching or following

747
00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:29,250
because if we have to

748
00:33:29,410 --> 00:33:33,569
apply for grants or reimbursement this is good to keep track of that we have food for

749
00:33:34,369 --> 00:33:36,049
coming hours we use that equipment

750
00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:44,019
yeah just go right here under your name just your initials

751
00:33:44,019 --> 00:33:48,750
is fine did you ever want to keep track of your miles too

752
00:33:52,980 --> 00:34:01,059
no i don't think because there's a lot of tools there i don't know if it's you know like you don't have fuel tax

753
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:08,619
so we don't know what the truck's doing

754
00:34:08,619 --> 00:34:09,619
two of this so it's kind of

755
00:34:09,619 --> 00:34:10,619
right

756
00:34:10,619 --> 00:34:14,159
and usually i drive

757
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:14,860
long

758
00:34:14,860 --> 00:34:16,039
vehicles

759
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:44,480
that's not great

760
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:52,460
morning while we're at a little lull here have you heard anything from the auditors still sending stuff and

761
00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:54,300
i've been sending stuff

762
00:34:54,300 --> 00:35:08,820
A couple of days they wanted another couple of documents and I asked them to wait a week or so until after I got through town meeting and election, but now we'll start right in with any indication when they might be done?

763
00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:31,199
Our last auditor only wanted fake statements and everything through the end of December. These guys wanted to wait until everything was reconciled through the end of January, and they wanted all that information, so they haven't even given me any dates because they wanted to wait until all of that was sent to them.

764
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:43,789
Nancy, you talked about having a meeting for the rest of the city board of authority about the aftermath of that.

765
00:35:43,809 --> 00:36:14,329
Oh, that happened. Board of Civil Authority. This year we're having reappraisal and the first step is the assessors will send you a notice that your assessment is, and then you come in and meet with the assessor, and if you don't like that, then you come to the Board of Civil Authority, and there's various steps that we have to go through and say,

766
00:36:14,329 --> 00:36:14,349
Okay.

767
00:36:14,349 --> 00:36:31,199
Yeah, the assessor was wrong. This is preparing your house to, say, pop his big client house down there, and that's, I mean, he probably has two bedrooms, three bedrooms, and they probably have ten. I don't know, but.

768
00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:46,320
So, we'd say, wait a minute. Why are you doing this and how come? So, we're, because it's the reappraisal year, we think there's going to be a lot of people questioning how come.

769
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:46,619
So, we're, because it's the reappraisal year, we think there's going to be a lot of people questioning how come.

770
00:36:46,619 --> 00:36:46,719
So, we're, because it's the reappraisal year, we think there's going to be a lot of people questioning how come.

771
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:47,599
So, we're, because it's the reappraisal year, we think there's going to be a lot of people questioning how come.

772
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:56,630
And the Vermont League of Cities and Towns does provide training. I set one up for March 21st, but they can't do it.

773
00:36:58,230 --> 00:37:07,730
So, now I'm hoping for April 7th before our select board meeting, like at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, but I haven't heard back from her yet, so.

774
00:37:07,730 --> 00:37:10,369
It is still at home. April 7th is a Sunday.

775
00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:11,829
Oh, well, it must be.

776
00:37:12,090 --> 00:37:12,570
11th?

777
00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:13,070
4th.

778
00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:14,670
I'm first meeting.

779
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:15,050
First?

780
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:15,610
4th.

781
00:37:15,610 --> 00:37:23,360
Yeah, the first meeting will be the 4th.

782
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,360
Whatever date that was, that's what I asked.

783
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,360
So 4 o'clock that day?

784
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,360
Maybe.

785
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,360
I just want to pencil it in.

786
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:39,360
I haven't heard back from the cities in town yet, so I don't know what's happening.

787
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,360
But it's good to see the steps that we have to do and how we do it.

788
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:52,670
There's certain things just because we like your house and not your house or something like that.

789
00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:54,670
We have certain steps to go through.

790
00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:58,670
Have you ever been through that, Mike?

791
00:37:58,670 --> 00:38:01,789
Yes.

792
00:38:01,789 --> 00:38:05,789
I'm pretty sure with your reappraisal, we will have a lot.

793
00:38:05,789 --> 00:38:10,829
Okay, everybody signed?

794
00:38:10,829 --> 00:38:14,829
Yeah, the back of the folder, though, we're supposed to initial it as well.

795
00:38:14,829 --> 00:38:18,829
And it still has Marie's and Boone's.

796
00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:20,829
Oh, are you down at the bottom?

797
00:38:20,829 --> 00:38:23,179
We're down at the bottom.

798
00:38:23,179 --> 00:38:25,179
Yeah, you did give us a new one at the bottom.

799
00:38:25,179 --> 00:38:29,480
Because I don't think we've been paid for that folder yet.

800
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,480
We're starting a new term, so she's still got it.

801
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:45,119
Right?

802
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,119
That came on for something.

803
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,119
That must have came on for that footwear.

804
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:55,929
If you keep them together, the doors will figure them out.

805
00:38:55,929 --> 00:38:57,929
Oops.

806
00:38:57,929 --> 00:38:59,929
Oh, it came on, that's why.

807
00:38:59,929 --> 00:39:02,159
Yeah, I didn't see that.

808
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:04,159
Are you signing?

809
00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:06,159
Oh, Kurt didn't sign either.

810
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:08,159
I signed the one.

811
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:10,159
Yeah, Kurt's right here.

812
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:12,159
Oh, Kurt.

813
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:14,159
They'll take those off.

814
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:16,159
Okay, just take this whole thing off?

815
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:18,159
Yeah.

816
00:39:18,159 --> 00:39:22,349
I figured we could start fresh with that for now.

817
00:39:22,349 --> 00:39:24,349
Oh, I see.

818
00:39:24,349 --> 00:39:36,400
Here, before we do any more damage to it.

819
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,400
Thank you.

820
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,400
Okay.

821
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,400
Stop me if you have any more questions.

822
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,489
Any questions, guys?

823
00:39:46,489 --> 00:39:48,489
Okay.

824
00:39:48,489 --> 00:39:53,769
Annual financial plan on the road conditions.

825
00:39:53,769 --> 00:40:01,559
Dave and I met with Patrick Wilson.

826
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:07,559
He did say that because we're not receiving all four AOT payments for this year,

827
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:11,559
then we should really only mark what we are receiving.

828
00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:15,760
So our income, like our budget, is a lot less than what we were expecting for road.

829
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,760
It will help us with our percentages in case there's a disaster.

830
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:28,199
We still do, what, a 60-40 split between winter highway payments and non-winter payments.

831
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:30,199
Here.

832
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:34,539
So you're going to sign, yeah.

833
00:40:34,539 --> 00:40:40,639
Because we got two agency transportation payments last year,

834
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:46,639
should we designate them or ask the auditors to designate them for 2024?

835
00:40:46,639 --> 00:41:09,630
And make a motion to sign the plan because you went over it and we're good?

836
00:41:09,630 --> 00:41:13,199
I'm sorry?

837
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:15,199
Yeah, sometimes we ask, sometimes we miss the motion.

838
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:17,260
Yeah, yeah.

839
00:41:17,260 --> 00:41:21,260
And then along with that, the town road and bridge standards on the back.

840
00:41:21,260 --> 00:41:28,590
We're saying, I guess, we're in compliance with what we usually do.

841
00:41:28,590 --> 00:41:36,250
We're in compliance state.

842
00:41:36,250 --> 00:41:39,050
Yeah, sorry.

843
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:43,050
Do they still check them over, each bridge, or do they do it every year?

844
00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:45,050
No, they do that every other year.

845
00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:47,050
And then we'll get a report.

846
00:41:47,050 --> 00:41:49,050
We're doing better than North Adams Bridge.

847
00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:53,050
And say that we need a new bridge for a million dollars.

848
00:41:53,050 --> 00:41:55,690
No.

849
00:41:55,690 --> 00:42:05,449
Take the light out of your hands and go ahead and bridge them.

850
00:42:05,449 --> 00:42:09,449
You're not signing the road and bridge standards.

851
00:42:09,449 --> 00:42:13,449
And this one is saying you're in compliance with the road and bridge standards.

852
00:42:13,449 --> 00:42:15,449
Okay, we're in compliance with it.

853
00:42:15,449 --> 00:42:17,449
Yes, we make a motion for everything.

854
00:42:17,449 --> 00:42:25,369
Yes.

855
00:42:25,369 --> 00:42:26,369
Motion.

856
00:42:26,369 --> 00:42:27,369
Second.

857
00:42:27,369 --> 00:42:31,869
All three of these.

858
00:42:31,869 --> 00:42:42,599
All in favor.

859
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:44,670
Recycling.

860
00:42:44,670 --> 00:42:46,670
We don't want to talk about roads at all, is that it?

861
00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:48,670
Oh, sorry, Dave. Yes.

862
00:42:48,670 --> 00:42:50,670
Before a guy came here, he looks tired already.

863
00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:52,670
Hey, how's the roads?

864
00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:53,670
It's snowy.

865
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:54,670
Muddy.

866
00:42:54,670 --> 00:42:56,670
Muddy in my home, but it's the end of the season, I guess.

867
00:42:56,670 --> 00:43:01,760
We've been out, probably put out a couple hundred there in the stone.

868
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,760
Thank you.

869
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,760
We've definitely done a lot.

870
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,860
How's the brochure?

871
00:43:07,860 --> 00:43:08,860
Good.

872
00:43:08,860 --> 00:43:10,860
Last year, that seemed to be a...

873
00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:16,920
I mean, I did have to put the stone out up on the far section of the hills.

874
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,920
It's the shady areas this year, most of the shady areas.

875
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,920
We had a lot of rain last year, and it never dried out, so all that rain is there.

876
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:31,050
And the pitches are all running good on the side of the road.

877
00:43:31,050 --> 00:43:32,179
Yeah.

878
00:43:32,179 --> 00:43:38,719
And we're, I can't even begin to tell you how good of a shape our roads really are,

879
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:39,719
considering.

880
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:40,719
Yeah.

881
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,130
If you go north, they...

882
00:43:42,130 --> 00:43:43,130
Yeah.

883
00:43:43,130 --> 00:43:48,130
I mean, I think if you had to move nine years, you'd see a lot of cars parked on this side

884
00:43:48,130 --> 00:43:49,260
of the road.

885
00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:54,289
The UPS and FedEx guys are telling me that, you know, I'm white man, or he's black.

886
00:43:54,289 --> 00:43:55,289
All the time.

887
00:43:55,289 --> 00:43:56,289
Yeah.

888
00:43:56,289 --> 00:43:58,289
All the areas that can't handle the weather, so...

889
00:43:58,289 --> 00:43:59,480
Yeah.

890
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,480
We got ahead of it this year.

891
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,480
I could see where some were starting to black out, you know, because of the way the thaws

892
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:06,480
have been.

893
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,480
And some of the frozen days, we just went crazy.

894
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,480
And got ahead of it.

895
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:10,679
And so, we're in good shape.

896
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:11,739
Thanks, Dave.

897
00:44:11,739 --> 00:44:12,739
I mean, it's going to be weeks, you know, before we can actually come great, probably.

898
00:44:12,739 --> 00:44:13,739
And that's all that depends on...

899
00:44:13,739 --> 00:44:15,380
It seems like we're going to go back cold, and then warm and cold, so...

900
00:44:15,380 --> 00:44:16,380
Yeah.

901
00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:17,380
They're going to take a while to get back out, unfortunately, especially with all this

902
00:44:17,380 --> 00:44:18,380
rain.

903
00:44:18,380 --> 00:44:19,380
Sure.

904
00:44:19,380 --> 00:44:20,380
And the water table's already nine in the road, so...

905
00:44:20,380 --> 00:44:21,380
Just bear with us.

906
00:44:21,380 --> 00:44:22,380
We'll get at it as soon as we can.

907
00:44:22,380 --> 00:44:23,380
I don't know if I want to run more than anybody else does, so...

908
00:44:23,380 --> 00:44:24,380
Yeah.

909
00:44:24,380 --> 00:44:25,380
Yeah.

910
00:44:25,380 --> 00:44:26,380
Yeah.

911
00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:27,380
Yeah.

912
00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:28,380
Yeah.

913
00:44:28,380 --> 00:44:29,380
Yeah.

914
00:44:29,380 --> 00:44:30,380
Yeah.

915
00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:31,380
Yeah.

916
00:44:31,380 --> 00:44:32,380
Yeah.

917
00:44:32,380 --> 00:44:33,380
Yeah.

918
00:44:33,380 --> 00:44:34,380
Yeah.

919
00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:35,380
Yeah.

920
00:44:35,380 --> 00:44:36,380
Yeah.

921
00:44:36,380 --> 00:44:37,380
Yeah.

922
00:44:39,380 --> 00:44:40,380
Yeah.

923
00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:41,380
Yeah.

924
00:44:41,380 --> 00:44:43,340
Okay.

925
00:44:43,340 --> 00:44:44,340
Thank you.

926
00:44:44,340 --> 00:44:46,909
Thank you.

927
00:44:46,909 --> 00:44:48,130
You're welcome.

928
00:44:48,130 --> 00:44:49,130
You're welcome.

929
00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:50,130
Well, Dave...

930
00:44:50,130 --> 00:44:51,130
Um...

931
00:44:51,130 --> 00:44:52,130
When it's good?

932
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:53,130
Yeah...

933
00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:54,130
I have, uh...

934
00:44:54,130 --> 00:44:55,130
Just kind of been looking online.

935
00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:59,090
There's a lot of used equipment that I don't really have a specific sample of.

936
00:44:59,090 --> 00:45:02,210
It's more in the east, right now.

937
00:45:02,210 --> 00:45:05,170
There aren't any letters throughout the North East.

938
00:45:05,170 --> 00:45:10,909
So, most of that's going to come back in at the end of April, they said.

939
00:45:10,909 --> 00:45:12,010
So, we're...

940
00:45:12,010 --> 00:45:15,750
phone calls to be able to help with that summary.

941
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:17,929
What would you, what are you thinking of doing

942
00:45:17,929 --> 00:45:20,389
with the current loader?

943
00:45:20,389 --> 00:45:23,530
I mean, if somebody wanted to take it on trade,

944
00:45:23,530 --> 00:45:24,369
that'd be great.

945
00:45:24,369 --> 00:45:26,329
I'd say it's worth a lot of money.

946
00:45:27,690 --> 00:45:29,710
I would rather they did that,

947
00:45:29,710 --> 00:45:31,389
so we didn't have to sell it to anybody.

948
00:45:31,389 --> 00:45:32,230
Right.

949
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:34,389
If you feel like the frame on that loader

950
00:45:34,389 --> 00:45:37,260
is some borrowed time, just call me.

951
00:45:37,260 --> 00:45:41,389
It's pretty crowded, and it may be a safety issue

952
00:45:41,389 --> 00:45:42,230
for somebody, I don't know.

953
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:45,389
Yeah, you can, somebody can fix it up

954
00:45:45,389 --> 00:45:46,909
if they really wanted to make a farm

955
00:45:46,909 --> 00:45:50,369
or something, but I don't know if the bottom loss

956
00:45:50,369 --> 00:45:53,210
would liability to kind of sell it

957
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:57,210
unless they really were fully aware of what's wrong.

958
00:45:57,210 --> 00:45:58,050
Right.

959
00:45:58,050 --> 00:45:59,269
You know, maybe they sign and say,

960
00:45:59,269 --> 00:46:01,190
hey, we realize that this thing's pretty much

961
00:46:01,190 --> 00:46:07,369
selling, you know, and I don't know.

962
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:10,570
It's not really, so it's not going to cost a lot of money.

963
00:46:10,570 --> 00:46:11,969
Cross that bridge, we'll get there.

964
00:46:11,969 --> 00:46:13,280
Yeah.

965
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,920
Most people don't seem, I don't know,

966
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,079
really interested in it.

967
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:16,920
Right.

968
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:22,289
But tell me, once I tell them about it,

969
00:46:22,289 --> 00:46:24,289
they don't know how much to do with it.

970
00:46:24,289 --> 00:46:30,260
They don't want to have to resell it or something.

971
00:46:30,260 --> 00:46:34,969
Good.

972
00:46:34,969 --> 00:46:40,750
Recycling.

973
00:46:40,750 --> 00:46:42,130
Are the batteries used less?

974
00:46:42,130 --> 00:46:44,030
I mean, you said you had a couple boxes of batteries.

975
00:46:44,030 --> 00:46:45,889
Did they go out, or?

976
00:46:45,889 --> 00:46:47,420
Do you know if they went out?

977
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:48,960
I don't see anything there.

978
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,219
Camera brought two big, heavy boxes,

979
00:46:52,219 --> 00:46:54,420
and they both expressed half of them.

980
00:46:54,420 --> 00:46:55,360
Okay.

981
00:46:55,699 --> 00:46:57,199
Two boxes in, right?

982
00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:00,860
As soon as they get them, they get new boxes in.

983
00:47:00,860 --> 00:47:01,699
Did we?

984
00:47:01,699 --> 00:47:03,239
Hardly put print on all that.

985
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:04,900
Did we?

986
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:07,639
I know we discussed that the patrons

987
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:09,639
should be taping the tops of the batteries,

988
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:12,300
but we didn't put that in our recycling minutes,

989
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:13,139
or our recycling.

990
00:47:13,139 --> 00:47:14,579
Recycling type tape.

991
00:47:14,579 --> 00:47:15,420
Oh, I see.

992
00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:17,340
I don't think they did that.

993
00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:20,440
We didn't put it there.

994
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,820
Somebody asks, from what they told us,

995
00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:27,599
you know, above them, they said electrical tape.

996
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:28,099
Yes.

997
00:47:28,099 --> 00:47:31,340
We don't accept packaging tape, or cell phone tape.

998
00:47:31,340 --> 00:47:34,179
No, because they went, they didn't have to do the class

999
00:47:34,179 --> 00:47:35,599
before we could accept batteries.

1000
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:40,239
They had to do the video on how to accept the batteries,

1001
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:41,239
and pack them.

1002
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,179
Somebody asks, you know, what do I do with my batteries?

1003
00:47:44,179 --> 00:47:46,360
What's the end of the line for the batteries?

1004
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,559
What is the final stage of the batteries?

1005
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:50,119
No idea.

1006
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:51,079
Hand film?

1007
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:54,059
Where the pages are somewhere in the middle.

1008
00:47:54,059 --> 00:47:55,719
Somewhere, somewhere, somewhere.

1009
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:56,619
I don't know.

1010
00:47:56,619 --> 00:47:57,420
Recycling.

1011
00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:58,260
Recycling.

1012
00:47:58,260 --> 00:47:59,199
Recycling, yes.

1013
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:00,000
That's because .

1014
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:07,980
What do they look having, what do they look having

1015
00:48:07,980 --> 00:48:10,679
the role of electrical tape after recycling centers?

1016
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:12,500
So if somebody brings in it, and they say you didn't

1017
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:13,880
take your foot there, so.

1018
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,280
.

1019
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,320
I gave them a pause.

1020
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,880
I did that specific thing when they were having issues,

1021
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,519
that here, if somebody comes in and hand them this roll.

1022
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:22,679
Yeah!

1023
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:24,019
Then, next time, they'll remember it.

1024
00:48:24,019 --> 00:48:25,260
Yeah.

1025
00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:26,619
If you cater to them once, you're going to

1026
00:48:26,619 --> 00:48:27,900
tough traffic catering.

1027
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:28,260
Mm-hmm.

1028
00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:49,400
I don't know how many batteries we get there all I mean it was a really a backlog of batteries

1029
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:57,300
now should we be getting as much as we had or how often do you replace the remote batteries

1030
00:48:57,300 --> 00:49:03,239
you know what about all those christmas toys you know those little dogs that go

1031
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:13,760
and then spring and summer when you change your smoke alarms

1032
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:23,400
yeah do you even know that they recycle batteries I think a lot I think we said it in our

1033
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,719
in our uh handout when we recycle when we hand out our recycling

1034
00:49:28,739 --> 00:49:40,099
but that would be the whole thing on the website right all the information about recycling and

1035
00:49:40,099 --> 00:49:44,139
doing taking your batteries and what you're having it's on to not the tanking part right

1036
00:49:44,139 --> 00:49:49,420
before I came into this meeting I got a report from my UPS guy that I sent a part out to

1037
00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:54,900
Arkansas yesterday and they destroyed my package and they cannot find any of my parts

1038
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:58,579
so when they do the same thing with these batteries I wonder what they do

1039
00:49:58,579 --> 00:49:58,719
if they don't have any of my batteries they don't have any of my batteries

1040
00:49:58,719 --> 00:49:58,739
I wonder what they do if they don't have any of my batteries I wonder what they do

1041
00:49:58,739 --> 00:50:05,289
if they don't have any of my batteries they don't have any of my batteries

1042
00:50:05,289 --> 00:50:11,289
there's a lot of times you find UPS packages just over there

1043
00:50:11,289 --> 00:50:19,250
7 and a half inch discs 1 inch thick there's 20 of them in the box they can't find any of them

1044
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:30,119
a big parking lot outside a mohawk trail state forest number 2 has a lot of this packages

1045
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:30,840
so yeah can't deliver them I'll keep it outside I'll keep it out there's no plastic so I'm

1046
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:37,039
the woods. Sure. I know. Woods are great places to get rid of all your trash. We got a whole lot of

1047
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:45,539
furniture out there. Did they find out who that furniture belongs to? It must have been recent

1048
00:50:45,539 --> 00:50:51,849
because my son went up on the jeep to go to camp and he didn't see it and then the next day it was

1049
00:50:51,849 --> 00:50:58,230
on Facebook and we had pictures of it. We got money to get up there. Couch and chairs. Maybe.

1050
00:50:58,230 --> 00:51:03,989
Maybe you shouldn't fix that part of the road. Yeah, you can get in there and make sides out of it, right?

1051
00:51:03,989 --> 00:51:09,989
Yeah. Oh yeah. You can see it's stoves and refrigerators and all kinds of stuff.

1052
00:51:09,989 --> 00:51:19,530
Anytime you can find a remote place, there's still an access fire room. I would dump it right on the side, like right on a nice turn around or something.

1053
00:51:19,530 --> 00:51:25,690
When they throw it over the bag down into the rug, it's like, come on people. Like people that put their dog poop into little

1054
00:51:25,690 --> 00:51:27,690
baggies and wash them into the tree, right?

1055
00:51:27,690 --> 00:51:28,190
Yeah.

1056
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:30,190
I've never heard of that one.

1057
00:51:30,190 --> 00:51:38,190
It was kind of on the back of the roads a little bit. That last storm we had where all the wind and the power went out.

1058
00:51:38,190 --> 00:51:50,210
Three mountain powers were gone so it was really unacceptable in that storm. I say that because at midnight or a little before when the power went out,

1059
00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:56,210
I looked out the window and saw how icy the road was and decided that I better try to get after some of that.

1060
00:51:56,210 --> 00:52:00,210
I couldn't get to the highway garage so I had a special motor.

1061
00:52:00,210 --> 00:52:12,210
I had a special motor that I could call right through their dispatch so that they were kind of prioritized, especially if we can't get through the road.

1062
00:52:12,210 --> 00:52:15,619
That was at midnight.

1063
00:52:15,619 --> 00:52:29,619
I had a thought that the guy couldn't tell me when they were going to arrive so I started more towards the state garage to see if I could get some salt from them to go around there occasionally until they did get here to borrow some.

1064
00:52:29,619 --> 00:52:35,619
I ran into the power company coming out so I turned around and met up with them at the line.

1065
00:52:35,619 --> 00:52:39,619
They came up and decided that they couldn't be here in the tree because of the tree company.

1066
00:52:39,619 --> 00:52:48,030
They did trim a few limbs off so that I could get under it to get to the garage so I could at least use our small ram truck.

1067
00:52:48,030 --> 00:52:59,030
I went around the pavement and saw and came back and noticed the tree company was around so I said I'll give them a little bit of time.

1068
00:52:59,030 --> 00:53:00,030
I think I came back.

1069
00:53:00,030 --> 00:53:04,030
I came back about 45 minutes later and I was sleeping in the truck.

1070
00:53:04,030 --> 00:53:15,510
They had cut a piece of the top of the tree off and I knocked on the window of the truck and woke them up and asked what they were doing.

1071
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:17,510
The guy said that they needed it dead.

1072
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:21,510
He had cut that piece of the tree and it took him 10 minutes.

1073
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:27,510
He was tired out and he felt like he needed a power company here to be able to do the job.

1074
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:28,510
I said well they called you.

1075
00:53:28,510 --> 00:53:29,510
They couldn't do it.

1076
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:30,769
They called you.

1077
00:53:30,769 --> 00:53:32,769
And he told me well we're not doing it.

1078
00:53:32,769 --> 00:53:34,769
And he said we're going back to our shop.

1079
00:53:34,769 --> 00:53:40,630
So they left it in a worse state than it was because then it was lower.

1080
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:42,630
It could barely be under it then.

1081
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:46,630
They started sanding some of our gravel roads.

1082
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:55,099
And about an hour later the fire department got a call on Tetra Road for a chimney fire.

1083
00:53:55,099 --> 00:54:03,829
So Michael and I ended up cutting the tree off the line because I felt like it was an emergency.

1084
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:06,829
The power company had already caught this tree.

1085
00:54:06,829 --> 00:54:07,829
The line was cut.

1086
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:09,829
There was no power in the whole town.

1087
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:11,829
So I felt pretty confident about that.

1088
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:15,789
It just was completely unacceptable.

1089
00:54:15,789 --> 00:54:21,050
They came down at least four times I would say that day.

1090
00:54:21,050 --> 00:54:25,050
I reported trees on lines, blocking roads, I'm sure roads.

1091
00:54:25,050 --> 00:54:27,050
There was trees on lines on Basin Road.

1092
00:54:27,050 --> 00:54:29,050
There was blocking roads.

1093
00:54:29,050 --> 00:54:32,050
There was trees on lines on Sportsman Road.

1094
00:54:32,050 --> 00:54:33,050
It wasn't blocking roads.

1095
00:54:33,050 --> 00:54:34,050
It was still hanging over the road.

1096
00:54:34,050 --> 00:54:38,239
And the following day none of it had been addressed.

1097
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,239
They left the lines.

1098
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:44,239
After they had come back to deal with the tree on Mill Road, which Michael and I had already dealt with,

1099
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:48,239
they left the lines hanging right in the road.

1100
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:49,239
It was really bad.

1101
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,239
So I called them the next day.

1102
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:57,239
And the dispatch said the only thing they were aware of at that time was the Mill Road.

1103
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,909
So it was just a giant mess.

1104
00:55:00,909 --> 00:55:03,909
Even though they were aware of it, they still had come down?

1105
00:55:03,909 --> 00:55:04,909
No, they didn't.

1106
00:55:04,909 --> 00:55:08,909
I would say they were here at least a half dozen times and really didn't do much.

1107
00:55:08,909 --> 00:55:09,909
Right.

1108
00:55:09,909 --> 00:55:11,909
It was so inefficient.

1109
00:55:11,909 --> 00:55:14,909
I went out there and had to go to my daughter to come in and deal with it.

1110
00:55:14,909 --> 00:55:15,909
It was horrible.

1111
00:55:15,909 --> 00:55:16,909
And I couldn't believe it.

1112
00:55:16,909 --> 00:55:17,909
It was pretty scary.

1113
00:55:17,909 --> 00:55:24,909
They left those lines down so low that to get to the fire, the chimney fire on Cape

1114
00:55:24,909 --> 00:55:27,909
Crow Road, they used pipe poles.

1115
00:55:27,909 --> 00:55:30,909
The hole was high enough to get the engine under.

1116
00:55:30,909 --> 00:55:31,909
What?

1117
00:55:31,909 --> 00:55:32,909
I mean, they knew.

1118
00:55:32,909 --> 00:55:33,909
That's a bad idea.

1119
00:55:33,909 --> 00:55:34,909
Well, but still.

1120
00:55:34,909 --> 00:55:35,909
You know, I know what's going to happen.

1121
00:55:35,909 --> 00:55:36,909
I think we should definitely reach out to them and tell them how concerned.

1122
00:55:36,909 --> 00:55:37,909
I know what's going to happen.

1123
00:55:37,909 --> 00:55:38,909
They're going to play the blame game.

1124
00:55:38,909 --> 00:55:39,909
It's a tree company.

1125
00:55:39,909 --> 00:55:40,909
We're going to get another outside source.

1126
00:55:40,909 --> 00:55:41,909
And the tree company is going to say, hey, they're going to play the blame game.

1127
00:55:41,909 --> 00:55:42,909
Look, they're, at least reach out to Greenmount Power.

1128
00:55:42,909 --> 00:55:43,909
Send them a letter that we're not happy with what happened.

1129
00:55:43,909 --> 00:55:44,909
They should be made aware of what happened.

1130
00:55:44,909 --> 00:55:45,909
I don't know what our alternative is.

1131
00:55:45,909 --> 00:55:46,909
You know, we, we have to figure out what to do.

1132
00:55:46,909 --> 00:55:47,909
We're going to do this.

1133
00:55:47,909 --> 00:55:48,909
We have to figure out what to do.

1134
00:55:48,909 --> 00:55:49,909
And, you know, we've got to do this.

1135
00:55:49,909 --> 00:55:50,909
We're going to figure out what to do.

1136
00:56:02,909 --> 00:56:05,469
You know, it's a nonopoly, so when you're, you know,

1137
00:56:05,469 --> 00:56:08,190
if there was a customer that you use, you could say,

1138
00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:09,469
well, I'm gonna buy it from someone else

1139
00:56:09,469 --> 00:56:11,409
and get my pizza somewhere else, you know?

1140
00:56:11,409 --> 00:56:13,510
This is, they got us.

1141
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:14,909
You know, it's really.

1142
00:56:14,909 --> 00:56:16,750
But they're an operating office.

1143
00:56:16,750 --> 00:56:17,590
And they really need it.

1144
00:56:17,590 --> 00:56:19,349
Right, I mean, they didn't even put anything up

1145
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:21,230
to tell you there was a line down.

1146
00:56:21,230 --> 00:56:23,590
I come around that corner, I'm like, holy crap.

1147
00:56:23,590 --> 00:56:25,610
I put cones up to try to get some awareness.

1148
00:56:25,610 --> 00:56:26,989
Yeah, it was like a couple of cones

1149
00:56:26,989 --> 00:56:29,349
and there wasn't so much I could do, you know?

1150
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:32,750
And the letter, and also stating that the fireman

1151
00:56:32,750 --> 00:56:35,460
had to respond to a fire.

1152
00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:37,489
I mean, they were already here.

1153
00:56:37,489 --> 00:56:38,630
People they hired were already here.

1154
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:40,929
Right, and then they had to hug you.

1155
00:56:40,929 --> 00:56:42,809
I mean, what if someone's lost their life,

1156
00:56:42,809 --> 00:56:44,409
haven't really lost their life in the fire?

1157
00:56:44,409 --> 00:56:45,650
That's right, yep.

1158
00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:46,489
Right.

1159
00:56:46,489 --> 00:56:47,329
That's right.

1160
00:56:47,329 --> 00:56:48,170
I mean, well, they're responsible

1161
00:56:48,170 --> 00:56:50,030
for whoever they hired to do the work.

1162
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:50,869
Yep.

1163
00:56:50,869 --> 00:56:51,710
Absolutely.

1164
00:56:51,710 --> 00:56:52,550
Well, that's true.

1165
00:56:52,550 --> 00:56:53,750
I don't think that's on a dotted line.

1166
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:55,190
What's all that all?

1167
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:57,110
Write a good letter, but don't flop it.

1168
00:56:57,110 --> 00:56:57,929
No flops.

1169
00:56:57,929 --> 00:56:58,769
No flops.

1170
00:56:58,769 --> 00:56:59,610
No flops.

1171
00:56:59,610 --> 00:57:01,190
Right.

1172
00:57:01,190 --> 00:57:03,489
Write it like it's coming from Dave.

1173
00:57:03,489 --> 00:57:08,489
I mean, I don't want to use like 400 words.

1174
00:57:08,489 --> 00:57:12,030
Also, Dave, I wanted to ask about this.

1175
00:57:12,030 --> 00:57:15,429
Is this something new that we have to post

1176
00:57:15,429 --> 00:57:19,030
the notice at two public places

1177
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:21,070
that the roads closed because of mud?

1178
00:57:21,070 --> 00:57:24,949
That's something that we've done in the past.

1179
00:57:24,949 --> 00:57:28,559
Those were the post, spring postings.

1180
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,119
Have you posted the road yet or not yet?

1181
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:30,960
Yeah.

1182
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:31,800
Yeah?

1183
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,420
Oh, I thought it was something new.

1184
00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:34,039
Well, that page.

1185
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:37,239
I actually got new signs this year,

1186
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:39,780
so the state delivered those to the town

1187
00:57:39,780 --> 00:57:42,119
and basically gave us those fancy little things

1188
00:57:42,119 --> 00:57:44,280
to post in town.

1189
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,000
We've posted in town before, but typically,

1190
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,760
the select board just makes a motion to post.

1191
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:50,260
Yeah.

1192
00:57:50,260 --> 00:57:52,440
So I guess you should probably do that.

1193
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:52,940
OK.

1194
00:57:52,940 --> 00:57:54,440
I'll make a motion.

1195
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,099
Post the roads as Dave feels they should be posted

1196
00:57:58,099 --> 00:57:59,239
according to the state level.

1197
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:02,139
First step to what I was asking you to do.

1198
00:58:02,139 --> 00:58:03,239
Second.

1199
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:04,039
All in favor.

1200
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:04,539
Good.

1201
00:58:04,539 --> 00:58:05,039
All in favor.

1202
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:05,539
Good.

1203
00:58:05,539 --> 00:58:06,039
Thank you.

1204
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:06,539
All right.

1205
00:58:06,539 --> 00:58:07,039
All right.

1206
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:07,539
All right.

1207
00:58:07,539 --> 00:58:08,820
It does go by weight, right?

1208
00:58:08,820 --> 00:58:09,280
Yeah.

1209
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,440
Weight and axle.

1210
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,340
Moving on to emergency management.

1211
00:58:15,340 --> 00:58:18,519
Bill, I have a question from the follow-up last meeting

1212
00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:24,960
about the de-rute fiber, about the charge to some households.

1213
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,559
I didn't bring it.

1214
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:29,190
I printed it out.

1215
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:33,289
Specifically, when you sign up, they either mail you

1216
00:58:33,289 --> 00:58:34,489
or reference you to.

1217
00:58:34,489 --> 00:58:44,079
to the terms of the agreement that you've taken by signing requesting service and when you request

1218
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:51,519
service it says that they will provide service to your house to a router and up to 25 feet

1219
00:58:52,880 --> 00:59:00,190
from the router from the entrance in the house to the router anything beyond that

1220
00:59:00,190 --> 00:59:10,110
you will be charged for and that 140 odd dollars seems to be there flat rate because stuart johnson

1221
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:18,719
was connected this past monday and stuart had cables he had already cabled his house a long

1222
00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:27,309
time ago but he opted for the 300 megabyte service and what he had run in his house

1223
00:59:27,309 --> 00:59:34,170
was not adequate for that technically it was 5e with rv rf4

1224
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:41,769
5e rather than rm6e that carries a higher frequency signal so he charged enough black

1225
00:59:41,769 --> 00:59:47,449
and took 46 hours he could have done it himself i discussed it with him on the united firehouse

1226
00:59:47,449 --> 00:59:53,039
he said for 145 dollars he didn't have to buy the cable the guy was there he didn't have to

1227
00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:59,449
make another appointment they read it did we get no i i don't remember getting a notice

1228
01:00:00,170 --> 01:00:03,530
did you remember getting a notice have you got a notice

1229
01:00:05,949 --> 01:00:06,670
maybe some didn't

1230
01:00:06,750 --> 01:00:13,440
some didn't you do have to sign up i guess you just don't always read that fine print

1231
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,239
and you know that you know you don't know that there's going to be an extra charge until

1232
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:23,920
well you don't yeah because you don't know whether they're going to need extra cable in your house

1233
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:32,269
it's part of that same thing where they say we'll connect the first 400 feet 100 feet they're going

1234
01:00:32,269 --> 01:00:38,079
to charge it for is it online signature a form that we had to sign do you remember jeff

1235
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:39,280
here

1236
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:45,360
we we got ours it was part of a packet that said you know won't be here this day these are the

1237
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,159
things that you have to be prepared for the kind of situation i had to go online and ask

1238
01:00:51,050 --> 01:00:56,969
the vd50 people to send me a copy of it because i signed up and i never got anything

1239
01:00:59,369 --> 01:01:05,389
i didn't either but it is you know when they told me i had to have an extra

1240
01:01:06,349 --> 01:01:10,730
line they said i could rent it from you but it's not enough that's for an extended that's a physical

1241
01:01:10,750 --> 01:01:26,139
bonus remember we uh we voted to give money to this and it was supposed to go to people that

1242
01:01:26,139 --> 01:01:32,300
can't afford it has anyone would you ever know if anybody used that i don't i don't want to know

1243
01:01:32,300 --> 01:01:39,130
anybody's name i'm just saying if someone uses so far it has not been used okay so it's all in their

1244
01:01:39,130 --> 01:01:45,630
pot somewhere right they are sitting just sitting there okay seventy five hundred dollars okay i'm

1245
01:01:45,710 --> 01:01:54,590
i don't remember whether we put a limit on it and ask for the balance we returned or not i don't

1246
01:01:54,590 --> 01:01:59,309
think so i don't think so and i think they said they don't match you did ask for the balance and

1247
01:01:59,309 --> 01:02:05,150
i don't know if you put a limit on it but we did ask for it on your balance okay okay but when you

1248
01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:10,590
out there should know that that's available someone you know maybe at least you'll get in

1249
01:02:10,590 --> 01:02:15,389
minutes but you know someone's out there saying boy i wish i could have that i can't afford that

1250
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:26,010
there were the original plan as it was explained to me and to bob was that there would be outreach

1251
01:02:26,010 --> 01:02:32,880
workers and i don't know how those people were going to identify those people who might need

1252
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:41,559
privacy and security i don't know how they're dealing with it theoretically they had trained

1253
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:48,969
people they talked about coming and training outreach workers here in town i've never heard

1254
01:02:48,969 --> 01:02:49,369
anything

1255
01:02:49,449 --> 01:02:54,329
more about it that didn't sound like the original pitch but i don't remember her name but she came

1256
01:02:54,329 --> 01:03:01,099
down here originally when she was before we even voted on the 7500 somebody came here and

1257
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:13,280
i've just never seen it happen now the original consideration was that they weren't going to be

1258
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:20,480
concerned with that for the first few months as they were connecting people they didn't expect

1259
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:29,630
so far as i know in stanford they have not run into anybody they've only got one house

1260
01:03:31,099 --> 01:03:40,889
that i know of they had a more than 400 foot conduit somebody don't make roads i

1261
01:03:41,929 --> 01:03:47,369
you know out of personal knowledge i don't think that person would have ever asked for or qualified

1262
01:03:48,010 --> 01:03:53,960
for being needy right you know the kind of perspective we asked for some money and you

1263
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,599
know when i explained to you at the time how i tried to calculate

1264
01:03:57,239 --> 01:04:05,260
what might possibly be needed and i had to think about how many people have underground conduit

1265
01:04:07,019 --> 01:04:15,690
to their home and might need help in all likelihood if they managed to lay conduit all

1266
01:04:15,690 --> 01:04:22,329
the way to their house they are probably not needed but that wasn't my judgment to make right

1267
01:04:23,050 --> 01:04:33,530
so i don't know and he laid conduit in and don't know but it hasn't come up to this point but i can

1268
01:04:33,530 --> 01:04:42,909
make the point of asking again what they are doing with it and i'll be back um what else do

1269
01:04:42,909 --> 01:04:48,750
you have in their emergency management after that i've got a can of several cans of worms yes i'm

1270
01:04:48,750 --> 01:04:56,489
sure in the last two weeks relative to what dave was talking about we've had a couple of power

1271
01:04:56,489 --> 01:05:02,489
auditors the first one that for some people was under a day and a half we're going close to a day

1272
01:05:02,489 --> 01:05:04,210
and a half without a power the second one how long was yours oh it was one hour and a half.

1273
01:05:04,210 --> 01:05:05,920
How long was yours?

1274
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,360
how long was it?

1275
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:07,860
how long was it?

1276
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:17,449
It was well over two days, yeah, we were over two days without power, it was 48.

1277
01:05:17,449 --> 01:05:25,599
There were, the second one was about four hours from 10 in the morning.

1278
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:26,239
That kept me awake.

1279
01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:37,019
There were people who were looking for, what's the town doing for them?

1280
01:05:37,019 --> 01:05:45,929
Really expressing that they had need, that they wanted to know what was going on and what were we gonna do.

1281
01:05:45,929 --> 01:05:55,349
And I threw this, I talked to Nancy and Mike at one point the afternoon of the large power outage.

1282
01:05:55,349 --> 01:06:04,199
At that point, nobody had called 911, saying they had an emergency or were looking for help.

1283
01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:11,019
We hadn't done really any further in talking about how to make a public announcement,

1284
01:06:11,019 --> 01:06:15,119
if we were going to open the gymnasium.

1285
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:19,780
One person thought that we had a heated room in the firehouse,

1286
01:06:19,780 --> 01:06:25,010
We don't really. The meeting room isn't really set up to receive people.

1287
01:06:25,010 --> 01:06:27,489
We certainly could not feed them.

1288
01:06:27,489 --> 01:06:35,989
And if it was something that was really busy and a lot of stuff going on with floods and trucks going back and forth,

1289
01:06:35,989 --> 01:06:39,989
that isn't how you're going to keep them in the meeting room.

1290
01:06:39,989 --> 01:06:50,420
If we open this community room as a shelter, it would only be a warming shelter.

1291
01:06:50,420 --> 01:06:53,420
We don't qualify with Red Cross because we don't have showers.

1292
01:06:53,420 --> 01:07:00,659
We don't have police, nor do we have any plans for keeping animals.

1293
01:07:00,659 --> 01:07:05,659
You know, it's a fine line between opening it overnight for a warming shelter and once.

1294
01:07:05,659 --> 01:07:07,659
You know, how big is the disaster going to be?

1295
01:07:07,659 --> 01:07:15,659
If it's more than that, our actual kind of agreement with Berkshire County is to send our people to St. Elizabeth.

1296
01:07:15,659 --> 01:07:20,659
They are geared for a large-scale sheltering project.

1297
01:07:20,659 --> 01:07:29,849
They took on very generously on Tuesday at the library.

1298
01:07:29,849 --> 01:07:34,849
To offer space from 10 to 5 in the library to the library.

1299
01:07:34,849 --> 01:07:42,039
I didn't get to go back and ask Danielle how many people, you know, I don't know if anybody took advantage of it.

1300
01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:51,599
If we're going to do something like this, I can't just ask the school or anybody else to just throw the room open.

1301
01:07:51,860 --> 01:07:54,559
Who's going to come watch it?

1302
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:56,849
Who's going to care for it?

1303
01:07:56,849 --> 01:08:01,849
Is this something the emergency management committee can work on?

1304
01:08:01,849 --> 01:08:03,849
Or, I know...

1305
01:08:03,849 --> 01:08:04,849
We'll get there.

1306
01:08:04,849 --> 01:08:05,849
We'll get there.

1307
01:08:05,849 --> 01:08:06,849
But we need people.

1308
01:08:06,849 --> 01:08:07,849
We'll get there.

1309
01:08:07,849 --> 01:08:08,849
So, we talked.

1310
01:08:08,849 --> 01:08:09,849
I talked to you about this.

1311
01:08:09,849 --> 01:08:19,850
And I volunteered that day that if you need something to babysit or whatever you want to call it, watch the room while it's open.

1312
01:08:19,850 --> 01:08:22,850
You can sit on it to feed them or anything like that.

1313
01:08:22,850 --> 01:08:23,850
Just to keep warm.

1314
01:08:23,850 --> 01:08:24,850
That's fine.

1315
01:08:24,850 --> 01:08:30,460
We have no problem having you call me at any time to come down.

1316
01:08:30,460 --> 01:08:33,460
But there are going to be other times where my house might need attention.

1317
01:08:33,460 --> 01:08:35,460
We need attention first.

1318
01:08:35,460 --> 01:08:38,460
So, you know, we need a lot more than just me, you know.

1319
01:08:38,460 --> 01:08:42,460
There have been more than once that I left Joan sitting in the store without power for herself.

1320
01:08:42,460 --> 01:08:48,460
While I was at the firehouse trying to, you know, coordinate a house being moved.

1321
01:08:48,460 --> 01:08:50,460
Was the school in action, though?

1322
01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:53,859
The school was in session, right?

1323
01:08:53,859 --> 01:08:56,090
What are you going to do with it?

1324
01:08:56,090 --> 01:08:57,090
That's right.

1325
01:08:57,090 --> 01:08:58,090
You've got kids there.

1326
01:08:58,090 --> 01:09:00,090
They don't like the public.

1327
01:09:00,090 --> 01:09:03,090
It's just really one of those things, again, that we always talk about, right?

1328
01:09:03,090 --> 01:09:04,090
I know.

1329
01:09:04,090 --> 01:09:05,090
I'm getting short of it.

1330
01:09:05,090 --> 01:09:07,090
This is just the way I like it.

1331
01:09:07,090 --> 01:09:11,090
But there is a sensitive area in some people's minds.

1332
01:09:11,090 --> 01:09:12,090
I understand.

1333
01:09:12,090 --> 01:09:21,220
If St. Elizabeth's, I guess they wouldn't necessarily be open if it's our, we could be having an emergency of flood and not them.

1334
01:09:21,220 --> 01:09:22,220
I mean, there's more power.

1335
01:09:22,220 --> 01:09:23,220
There's nothing going to happen.

1336
01:09:23,220 --> 01:09:24,220
Right.

1337
01:09:24,220 --> 01:09:25,220
I mean.

1338
01:09:25,220 --> 01:09:26,220
So what's the town going to do for me?

1339
01:09:26,220 --> 01:09:29,220
The town's going to tell you that it drove to St. Elizabeth's, I guess.

1340
01:09:29,220 --> 01:09:30,220
But they're not open.

1341
01:09:30,220 --> 01:09:34,220
Well, if they're not open, like we said, this past one that we had in St. Elizabeth's

1342
01:09:34,220 --> 01:09:35,220
we didn't have any problems at all.

1343
01:09:35,220 --> 01:09:42,220
We could have gone to the point of taking 20 boxcots and blankets out of the emergency

1344
01:09:42,220 --> 01:09:46,380
trailer that's down in the fire, set them up in a community room.

1345
01:09:46,380 --> 01:09:48,380
Are the schools in session now?

1346
01:09:48,380 --> 01:09:49,409
Well.

1347
01:09:49,409 --> 01:09:51,409
Personally, I think you should have.

1348
01:09:51,409 --> 01:09:52,409
I think it would be okay.

1349
01:09:52,409 --> 01:09:57,409
Do you confine the kids to classrooms?

1350
01:09:57,409 --> 01:09:58,409
Yes.

1351
01:09:58,409 --> 01:09:59,409
That's what I would say.

1352
01:09:59,409 --> 01:10:03,409
Look, you're not coming out with, if you want to keep the kids safe and put them in the

1353
01:10:03,409 --> 01:10:04,409
classroom.

1354
01:10:04,409 --> 01:10:11,409
You can confine the people who was still in session that they have to stay in the library

1355
01:10:11,409 --> 01:10:15,600
or you put the cots up on the stage and that's it.

1356
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,600
We don't really have the facilities.

1357
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:18,600
Yeah.

1358
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:19,600
And I want to bring my dog.

1359
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,600
And do you tell me to stay in the library?

1360
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:28,600
The bottom line is this was something that if it's freezing out and you have 40 hours

1361
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:33,600
of cold and now these people, their houses are freezing and not because they want to just

1362
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:34,600
you know, feel, you know, talk with people.

1363
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:35,600
They need to come, they need to get out of their house.

1364
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:36,600
It's cold.

1365
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:37,600
You know, I reached out to my neighbors and told them, hey, if you need anything, you

1366
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:38,600
need to come out of the house because they haven't generated it.

1367
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:39,600
But if we have to, if someone calls 9-1-1 and says, you know, the house is too cold,

1368
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:40,600
I'm freezing, what do you do?

1369
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:41,600
Do you bring them, do you call the ambulance, bring them to the hospital, or do you bring

1370
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:42,600
them here and just keep them here?

1371
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:43,600
Well, they call the fire department.

1372
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:44,600
We have to respond.

1373
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:45,600
We have to respond to that.

1374
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:46,949
But also, no one calls 9-1-1.

1375
01:10:46,949 --> 01:10:47,949
No one calls 9-1-1.

1376
01:10:47,949 --> 01:10:48,949
No one calls 9-1-1.

1377
01:10:48,949 --> 01:10:49,949
No one calls 9-1-1.

1378
01:10:49,949 --> 01:10:57,359
But just seeing someone like, what's the problem going to do for me?

1379
01:10:57,359 --> 01:11:01,880
I'm not really an emergency.

1380
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:10,579
No, but we've had this discussion twice now.

1381
01:11:10,579 --> 01:11:15,300
We had one where it was a snowstorm.

1382
01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:18,979
That one there, we had this much snow.

1383
01:11:18,979 --> 01:11:19,979
Yeah.

1384
01:11:19,979 --> 01:11:29,979
And then we, you know, looked at the situation of if we opened the school and people came here to get warm, we'll be getting into their cars.

1385
01:11:29,979 --> 01:11:32,979
And how are we going to keep them from going through this traffic?

1386
01:11:32,979 --> 01:11:42,979
It's a complicated thing. One of the things that they're doing to address this kind of situation in North Adams is they are trying to activate something called CERT.

1387
01:11:42,979 --> 01:11:49,979
CERT is nationwide, it's a community emergency response team program.

1388
01:11:49,979 --> 01:11:57,560
You can look online, CERT with periods to show it's an abbreviation.

1389
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:03,069
And there's a whole program and it has a lot of different things that it addresses.

1390
01:12:03,069 --> 01:12:11,520
I don't know where we get the people from. The same, you know, problem that I've got, who's going to babysit in the gym?

1391
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,319
Because we can't expect the firemen to do it.

1392
01:12:14,319 --> 01:12:15,319
Right.

1393
01:12:15,319 --> 01:12:18,319
They're already handling whatever emergency is that comes up.

1394
01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:21,319
And we'll get around to that in a minute, too.

1395
01:12:21,319 --> 01:12:25,319
I told you, once we got a can of worms, is that enough?

1396
01:12:25,319 --> 01:12:28,319
It's just so hard for little rural towns like this to evolve.

1397
01:12:28,319 --> 01:12:33,319
Do we need to say, we need help, we need people to form a group?

1398
01:12:33,319 --> 01:12:34,319
Yes.

1399
01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:35,319
We need help.

1400
01:12:35,319 --> 01:12:42,319
I do like that we told people, you know, have like a neighborhood watch type thing where you just get out there and just tell your neighborhoods, look at it.

1401
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:44,319
John was right next to me.

1402
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:45,319
It's banned.

1403
01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:46,319
He was right across the street.

1404
01:12:46,319 --> 01:12:47,319
He didn't help.

1405
01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:50,319
Me and John were on the other hand, you know, with no problem.

1406
01:12:50,319 --> 01:12:53,319
Although he's trying to help us because he's so stubborn.

1407
01:12:53,319 --> 01:12:57,319
But nevertheless, I did reach out to people in the neighborhood.

1408
01:12:57,319 --> 01:13:00,319
If everybody could do that, it really would help.

1409
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:02,319
And that's the old fashioned way to do it.

1410
01:13:02,319 --> 01:13:14,380
You know, 20 years ago, our ultimate emergency response effort was if the power was out and communications were out, we would send every fire engine that had a public address system

1411
01:13:14,380 --> 01:13:21,859
up and down every street in town to tell them the school was open.

1412
01:13:21,859 --> 01:13:23,989
That's a lot of work.

1413
01:13:23,989 --> 01:13:24,989
Pushing.

1414
01:13:24,989 --> 01:13:27,989
Well, yeah, but that's pushed to the limit of what you can do.

1415
01:13:27,989 --> 01:13:30,140
Lisa.

1416
01:13:30,140 --> 01:13:31,140
Yeah.

1417
01:13:31,140 --> 01:13:38,140
I just was thinking of something Betsy said that we used to have town, neighborhood captains.

1418
01:13:38,140 --> 01:13:40,140
Did that like disintegrate?

1419
01:13:40,140 --> 01:13:43,140
Because I feel like we had a by neighborhood by neighborhood thing.

1420
01:13:43,140 --> 01:13:44,140
I think it did.

1421
01:13:44,140 --> 01:13:45,140
It felt hard.

1422
01:13:45,140 --> 01:13:51,140
Because like Betsy and Tammy and we're all up sportsmen.

1423
01:13:51,140 --> 01:13:59,140
Like if you have areas that can all check on each other, at least, I don't know, some kind of like when I was teaching, we had snow chains that you called everybody.

1424
01:13:59,140 --> 01:14:00,140
Yeah.

1425
01:14:00,140 --> 01:14:14,779
Once upon a time when we first got the equipment from the Red Cross, these cots and blankets and things, five, six, seven of us went to a program that the Red Cross put on.

1426
01:14:14,779 --> 01:14:15,779
And I think Nancy went.

1427
01:14:15,779 --> 01:14:16,779
John and I went.

1428
01:14:16,779 --> 01:14:17,779
How about those people who weren't with us anymore?

1429
01:14:17,779 --> 01:14:18,779
She was.

1430
01:14:18,779 --> 01:14:20,260
Rose Marie.

1431
01:14:20,260 --> 01:14:21,260
Rose Marie Curran.

1432
01:14:21,260 --> 01:14:22,260
And the understanding was if we had an emergency, these were the people who were trained or expected that we would.

1433
01:14:22,260 --> 01:14:23,260
Get in touch with people.

1434
01:14:23,260 --> 01:14:24,260
Get in touch with people.

1435
01:14:24,260 --> 01:14:47,739
And a year or so ago, a couple people got together with me and we went through and we

1436
01:14:47,739 --> 01:14:50,739
inventoryed the trailer to see what kind of people were going to come and do their job.

1437
01:14:50,739 --> 01:14:51,739
And then we went through and we went through and we had a few people come in and see what

1438
01:14:51,739 --> 01:14:52,739
they were doing.

1439
01:14:52,739 --> 01:14:55,220
to see what kind of condition it was working in

1440
01:14:55,220 --> 01:15:00,119
and what kind of things we might consider needing or adding to it.

1441
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:04,420
A couple of chairs so that once you set the pop-up tent

1442
01:15:04,420 --> 01:15:07,020
that has walls and such,

1443
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:14,020
that there's a range of emergencies that you might have to deal with

1444
01:15:14,020 --> 01:15:19,909
or anything from radioactive material that was spilled on the road

1445
01:15:19,909 --> 01:15:25,470
and you're going to isolate and decontaminate people as they come in

1446
01:15:25,470 --> 01:15:27,630
before you let them in the building.

1447
01:15:28,109 --> 01:15:29,850
It's been a long time.

1448
01:15:30,170 --> 01:15:31,609
All we know is about that kind of question.

1449
01:15:31,930 --> 01:15:33,989
This is where we need a community center, right?

1450
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:38,430
It has a kitchen in it, a bathroom, a place where people hang out,

1451
01:15:38,529 --> 01:15:39,550
have a healthy...

1452
01:15:39,550 --> 01:15:41,329
That's what makes it manage it.

1453
01:15:42,829 --> 01:15:44,630
Take care of it.

1454
01:15:45,529 --> 01:15:50,149
At this time, it's the closest thing we have to that.

1455
01:15:51,470 --> 01:15:53,369
We still have a bathroom in it.

1456
01:15:54,010 --> 01:15:56,449
Does it have to be a municipal building?

1457
01:15:56,449 --> 01:15:58,649
I mean, can we coordinate with the church?

1458
01:15:58,750 --> 01:16:01,779
We could. That's what St. Elizabeth's does.

1459
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:03,939
Right, but I mean, the Stamford church.

1460
01:16:03,939 --> 01:16:06,760
They have a kitchen, they have a great room downstairs.

1461
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,380
I'm going to push one more thing.

1462
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:16,939
And I'm asking you not to send out any letters

1463
01:16:16,939 --> 01:16:20,319
to anyone from emergency management director

1464
01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:22,380
or emergency management coordinator

1465
01:16:22,380 --> 01:16:26,039
because I don't intend to take an appointment.

1466
01:16:28,020 --> 01:16:30,880
I've done this for close on to 40 years.

1467
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,170
I don't know.

1468
01:16:33,170 --> 01:16:33,609
I don't know.

1469
01:16:33,609 --> 01:16:33,670
I don't know.

1470
01:16:33,970 --> 01:16:38,750
I've had a lot of considerations over the last couple of years or such.

1471
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,060
I don't have the strength to really respond very well

1472
01:16:43,060 --> 01:16:44,140
with the fire department.

1473
01:16:44,779 --> 01:16:48,199
I don't have the strength to stay up for 12 or 14 hours

1474
01:16:48,199 --> 01:16:51,069
to help supervise something here.

1475
01:16:53,060 --> 01:16:56,520
I'm leaning on and depending on 40 years of experience,

1476
01:16:56,659 --> 01:17:00,000
both as a firefighter and as an emergency responder

1477
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,520
and all the education that we took,

1478
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,420
which goes back to Yankee Road,

1479
01:17:04,420 --> 01:17:10,310
we've got to find somebody new to pick this up.

1480
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:14,750
And I'd be happy to sit with a group of you

1481
01:17:14,750 --> 01:17:16,689
with an executive session at the point

1482
01:17:16,689 --> 01:17:20,100
that you have some candidates.

1483
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:22,500
I have some feelings about it and some of the things

1484
01:17:22,500 --> 01:17:26,159
that we've got to talk to.

1485
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:28,460
In the next couple of weeks, we've got to come up

1486
01:17:28,460 --> 01:17:34,510
and re-sign our emergency response plan.

1487
01:17:34,510 --> 01:17:38,930
Right now, Nancy, perhaps Doug, are the only people I know of,

1488
01:17:39,090 --> 01:17:42,710
who have taken an ICS course,

1489
01:17:42,710 --> 01:17:45,569
Incident Command System course,

1490
01:17:45,569 --> 01:17:50,010
to have the authority and qualification to sign that.

1491
01:17:50,010 --> 01:17:53,289
I've talked to the Senate Board over the past two years

1492
01:17:53,289 --> 01:17:59,279
about taking a three-hour online course for IC100.

1493
01:17:59,279 --> 01:18:02,020
There's a MIMS course that runs closer to 400.

1494
01:18:02,020 --> 01:18:04,819
The difference, ICS is Incident Command.

1495
01:18:04,819 --> 01:18:09,560
It's for the local activity that's happening, responding to an immediate,

1496
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,800
urgent emergency, and it's the kind of thing that's broken down

1497
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:17,039
to operations like the fire department, who's doing it,

1498
01:18:17,039 --> 01:18:20,739
who's planning for it as to what we're going to do,

1499
01:18:20,739 --> 01:18:26,800
logistics of who's going to bring food and a pizza and whatever,

1500
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:31,420
and an accounting and financial arm of it.

1501
01:18:31,420 --> 01:18:35,060
Underneath the incident commander is a public information officer,

1502
01:18:35,060 --> 01:18:38,500
which we don't have, but we ought to have for somebody,

1503
01:18:38,500 --> 01:18:40,500
appoint somebody to speak for the town.

1504
01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:44,500
You certainly don't want three or four different people speaking

1505
01:18:44,500 --> 01:18:52,770
to the town in an incident of an emergency.

1506
01:18:52,770 --> 01:18:58,850
We start to go beyond telling people in town, out of the minutes,

1507
01:18:58,850 --> 01:19:03,720
and whatever that would have been for emergency management personnel.

1508
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:09,529
I will bring it up next Monday at the firehouse at the monthly meeting.

1509
01:19:09,529 --> 01:19:13,210
It's always served me well to have the kind of communication

1510
01:19:13,210 --> 01:19:16,210
and relationship that I have with the fire department,

1511
01:19:16,210 --> 01:19:20,520
because, in fact, they're the first responders.

1512
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:24,329
They're the people we're going to lean on.

1513
01:19:24,329 --> 01:19:30,449
This community emergency response program is something that you don't have

1514
01:19:30,449 --> 01:19:34,050
to go to a national thing and national standards,

1515
01:19:34,050 --> 01:19:40,300
but the idea of having a group of people in town who feel they're able

1516
01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:44,579
and willing to come and help with that kind of situation is something

1517
01:19:44,579 --> 01:19:46,560
we want to pursue.

1518
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,300
Did you, is this the first you've talked

1519
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,000
to anybody where you would, have you mentioned it to anybody

1520
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,100
in a fire department?

1521
01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:54,100
No.

1522
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:58,979
So you don't have a person in mind or anything like that?

1523
01:19:58,979 --> 01:20:01,739
I wouldn't try to bring somebody's name up here

1524
01:20:01,739 --> 01:20:06,670
without having talked to them.

1525
01:20:06,670 --> 01:20:09,770
As a courtesy, because she's worked with me for years,

1526
01:20:09,770 --> 01:20:13,970
I talked to Sheila Lawrence over what I was going to do.

1527
01:20:13,970 --> 01:20:17,109
You know, our first response was, does that mean I've got to step up

1528
01:20:17,109 --> 01:20:19,970
and, you know, take this?

1529
01:20:19,970 --> 01:20:23,409
And, you know, those she's interested and she travels

1530
01:20:23,409 --> 01:20:26,010
with me for some of the training and meetings.

1531
01:20:26,010 --> 01:20:28,689
She says, you know, I don't mind traveling locally,

1532
01:20:28,689 --> 01:20:31,850
but I'm not going to be able to go anywhere for distance.

1533
01:20:31,850 --> 01:20:35,819
She doesn't have the help to take on this kind of thing.

1534
01:20:35,819 --> 01:20:39,979
And over the years, with her responsibilities and her children

1535
01:20:39,979 --> 01:20:42,399
and her children, her grandchildren,

1536
01:20:42,399 --> 01:20:45,850
have gone to doing any of these training courses.

1537
01:20:45,850 --> 01:20:50,920
So she's not prepared to take that on this right now.

1538
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,180
So I'm not happy with dumping this on you,

1539
01:20:53,180 --> 01:20:55,460
but this is the place and the time to do it.

1540
01:20:55,460 --> 01:20:57,079
Thanks, Bill.

1541
01:20:57,079 --> 01:21:00,960
Your level of dedication will be impossible to replace.

1542
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:06,760
I mean, I don't mind spending as much time over the next few,

1543
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,920
you know, several months or, you know,

1544
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,260
whoever wants to take on the job.

1545
01:21:12,260 --> 01:21:13,789
Apprenticeship?

1546
01:21:13,789 --> 01:21:15,170
An apprenticeship?

1547
01:21:15,170 --> 01:21:16,829
Well, a mentorship.

1548
01:21:16,829 --> 01:21:20,770
As I mean, you want to do it now, you don't want to wait.

1549
01:21:20,770 --> 01:21:23,569
You want to wait and wait, and then we're in big trouble.

1550
01:21:23,569 --> 01:21:24,770
Yes.

1551
01:21:24,770 --> 01:21:25,810
It's a gun.

1552
01:21:25,810 --> 01:21:26,970
It's a person's job.

1553
01:21:26,970 --> 01:21:31,039
It's a lot of work.

1554
01:21:31,039 --> 01:21:37,319
Doesn't FEMA set up things like this for towns and cities?

1555
01:21:37,319 --> 01:21:38,720
They have coursework.

1556
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,819
They have offensive forces online.

1557
01:21:40,819 --> 01:21:42,279
The problem is personnel.

1558
01:21:42,279 --> 01:21:43,279
That's the problem.

1559
01:21:43,279 --> 01:21:44,779
They don't come here right away, either.

1560
01:21:44,779 --> 01:21:47,560
Oh, no, I'm just thinking for a long-range plan.

1561
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,960
If people are the biggest thing, they have to make a plan.

1562
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,460
Wouldn't that be a good resource?

1563
01:21:53,460 --> 01:21:56,260
You know, we've gone down this conversation

1564
01:21:56,260 --> 01:22:01,439
of every position in this town, whether it was a board member

1565
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:06,470
on the zoning board or the, what do they call it,

1566
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:09,329
people who do the listers.

1567
01:22:09,329 --> 01:22:11,289
The listers.

1568
01:22:11,289 --> 01:22:16,140
Every board, every department we talk about, the age,

1569
01:22:16,140 --> 01:22:21,779
average age is way up here that we don't have this new group.

1570
01:22:21,779 --> 01:22:23,199
I hate to pick on the younger generation,

1571
01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:24,600
but we don't see all this stuff.

1572
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:25,739
Yeah, they got to find somebody else.

1573
01:22:25,739 --> 01:22:27,239
I mean, there's a state office of emergency.

1574
01:22:27,239 --> 01:22:27,439
I mean, there's a state office of emergency.

1575
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:28,079
There's a state office of emergency.

1576
01:22:28,079 --> 01:22:30,710
I mean, there's a state office of operations, you know,

1577
01:22:30,710 --> 01:22:33,189
and that's my ultimate fallback.

1578
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:37,590
Worst case is I've got a number for the state watch officer.

1579
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:39,989
There's somebody who either carries a page

1580
01:22:39,989 --> 01:22:46,819
or is on duty 24-7 who can marshal, who else,

1581
01:22:46,819 --> 01:22:49,279
whether it's National Guard, depending, you know,

1582
01:22:49,279 --> 01:22:51,670
how severe it is for them.

1583
01:22:51,670 --> 01:22:53,170
This is one of those positions in town

1584
01:22:53,170 --> 01:22:55,010
that needs to be fairly dedicated to them.

1585
01:22:55,010 --> 01:22:55,649
I sure do.

1586
01:22:55,649 --> 01:22:56,909
It's not just, I mean, there's so many.

1587
01:22:56,909 --> 01:22:59,010
You know, we've been talking about .

1588
01:22:59,010 --> 01:22:59,510
. .

1589
01:22:59,510 --> 01:23:02,149
All the volunteer fire departments,

1590
01:23:02,149 --> 01:23:04,510
that exact same thing I just said,

1591
01:23:04,510 --> 01:23:06,250
that age is going this way.

1592
01:23:06,250 --> 01:23:08,090
It's not, there's not that . . .

1593
01:23:08,090 --> 01:23:11,289
When I was young, all our fathers said,

1594
01:23:11,289 --> 01:23:12,789
come on, get, join the fire department.

1595
01:23:12,789 --> 01:23:14,390
We had a waiting list.

1596
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:19,930
I think the average firefighter age right now is about 57.

1597
01:23:19,930 --> 01:23:20,689
In this town?

1598
01:23:20,689 --> 01:23:21,090
Of course.

1599
01:23:21,090 --> 01:23:23,770
Well, schools don't teach anything like civics

1600
01:23:23,770 --> 01:23:26,319
or, you know, athletics, anything like that anymore.

1601
01:23:26,319 --> 01:23:27,359
You're still in classes, right?

1602
01:23:27,359 --> 01:23:27,859
Yeah.

1603
01:23:27,859 --> 01:23:28,899
Someone understands.

1604
01:23:28,899 --> 01:23:29,699
I mean, seriously.

1605
01:23:29,699 --> 01:23:30,739
I don't remember the function.

1606
01:23:30,739 --> 01:23:32,399
I was on a fire department.

1607
01:23:32,399 --> 01:23:34,840
I bought a house in North Adams.

1608
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,779
They politely shook my hand and said,

1609
01:23:36,779 --> 01:23:39,819
thank you for your service, but we have to step down.

1610
01:23:39,819 --> 01:23:42,020
You don't live in town, and there's a waiting list

1611
01:23:42,020 --> 01:23:43,420
for people to get out.

1612
01:23:43,420 --> 01:23:46,380
There was 40 members on that department.

1613
01:23:46,380 --> 01:23:49,060
We're happy that more than a third

1614
01:23:49,060 --> 01:23:53,079
of our current firefighters do not live in Stanford yet.

1615
01:23:53,079 --> 01:23:53,920
We'd be happy.

1616
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:55,659
And all the volunteer departments

1617
01:23:55,659 --> 01:23:57,199
have opened the doors to anybody.

1618
01:23:57,199 --> 01:23:58,600
Like, what if they're real?

1619
01:23:58,600 --> 01:23:59,399
Like, come on in.

1620
01:23:59,399 --> 01:24:00,800
I mean, I'll focus on society.

1621
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:02,739
It's probably really more about just joining the rat race

1622
01:24:02,739 --> 01:24:05,199
and trying to get ahead rather than taking a little time

1623
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:06,899
for civic duty or anything like that.

1624
01:24:06,899 --> 01:24:09,380
Not here, because, you know.

1625
01:24:09,380 --> 01:24:13,340
So anytime that you want to sit down as a group

1626
01:24:13,340 --> 01:24:16,119
or individually, I'd be happy to discuss it

1627
01:24:16,119 --> 01:24:18,760
in, you know, points and directions.

1628
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:23,020
In the interim, if you go online and look for NIMS,

1629
01:24:23,020 --> 01:24:29,420
N-I-M-S, or I-C-S.

1630
01:24:29,420 --> 01:24:30,300
Well.

1631
01:24:30,300 --> 01:24:31,100
All right.

1632
01:24:31,100 --> 01:24:32,659
I don't know that for sure, I guess.

1633
01:24:32,659 --> 01:24:36,699
I keep saying, I keep saying I want to do this,

1634
01:24:36,699 --> 01:24:40,520
and then I kind of forget in a week or two.

1635
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,680
I mean, I have no problems going online and doing it.

1636
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,560
Well, that's why I, you know, want to,

1637
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,060
that's why I'd like to talk to you,

1638
01:24:47,060 --> 01:24:48,720
kind of an executive session,

1639
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,920
once we see who might be interested.

1640
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,000
Because I've had people over the past couple of years

1641
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,560
who have said, yeah, yeah, meet me.

1642
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:58,039
I want to be involved in the emergency management.

1643
01:24:58,039 --> 01:25:00,779
Fine.

1644
01:25:00,779 --> 01:25:02,060
The next meeting is, you know,

1645
01:25:02,060 --> 01:25:03,420
three weeks from now.

1646
01:25:03,420 --> 01:25:04,260
Great.

1647
01:25:04,260 --> 01:25:05,199
Yeah, I'll be there.

1648
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:07,699
And I booked up and I found out about the course,

1649
01:25:07,699 --> 01:25:09,560
and I'll be there for the training,

1650
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,699
and that was the last time I heard from them.

1651
01:25:11,699 --> 01:25:13,880
So the big thing is, we need help.

1652
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:17,699
We need some volunteers that can help set this up.

1653
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:19,979
Let us know.

1654
01:25:19,979 --> 01:25:22,939
Yeah.

1655
01:25:22,939 --> 01:25:25,800
Because there, I mean,

1656
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:29,930
we've had three of these incidents now.

1657
01:25:29,930 --> 01:25:31,720
Yes.

1658
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:33,119
You know, at the fire department,

1659
01:25:33,119 --> 01:25:36,020
and, you know, if we hadn't had Dave come,

1660
01:25:36,020 --> 01:25:39,220
and cut a tree, we wouldn't have,

1661
01:25:39,220 --> 01:25:42,479
we might have gotten one pickup truck

1662
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:43,880
up to that chimney fire.

1663
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,479
We never would have gotten a fire truck there.

1664
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,380
So what happens, you know, that incident,

1665
01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:50,979
what happens to the power company?

1666
01:25:50,979 --> 01:25:52,960
They shut the power off, they didn't go there.

1667
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,600
Now you've got a fire up there, now what do you do?

1668
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:57,439
Burns.

1669
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:58,260
Right.

1670
01:25:58,260 --> 01:25:59,100
You know what I'm saying?

1671
01:25:59,100 --> 01:25:59,939
It's not a game.

1672
01:25:59,939 --> 01:26:01,739
This is, what's the next step

1673
01:26:01,739 --> 01:26:03,579
that they don't show up at all, you know?

1674
01:26:03,579 --> 01:26:05,140
They can go four wheel or whatever.

1675
01:26:05,140 --> 01:26:07,180
We have to send them that letter.

1676
01:26:07,180 --> 01:26:13,449
I can't go up there with, you know,

1677
01:26:13,449 --> 01:26:15,750
the 10 gallon back pass.

1678
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:16,590
Right.

1679
01:26:20,659 --> 01:26:24,899
Yeah, if, I know you can't have worms,

1680
01:26:24,899 --> 01:26:27,380
I'm opening up more.

1681
01:26:27,380 --> 01:26:28,779
She needs to go fishing, she needs to go fishing.

1682
01:26:28,779 --> 01:26:32,020
Oh, yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

1683
01:26:32,020 --> 01:26:36,649
Mill Road, of course, seems to be the issue

1684
01:26:36,649 --> 01:26:38,310
in a lot of these emergencies,

1685
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:40,189
because there's only one way in,

1686
01:26:40,189 --> 01:26:43,260
and one way out, at least,

1687
01:26:43,260 --> 01:26:47,010
unless it's the dry part of the summer.

1688
01:26:47,010 --> 01:26:50,789
Are we going to address that this year?

1689
01:26:50,789 --> 01:26:56,460
Is that something we can bring to the forefront

1690
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:00,859
on access out of that way for?

1691
01:27:00,859 --> 01:27:02,739
We gave back all the access.

1692
01:27:02,739 --> 01:27:04,800
Well, we have, you know, just as a point of fact,

1693
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:10,220
this one chimney fire, when the tree was down at Henry Hill,

1694
01:27:11,789 --> 01:27:13,890
the response was, okay, we'll go the long way

1695
01:27:13,890 --> 01:27:16,090
and over Clonbeck, and they said,

1696
01:27:16,090 --> 01:27:19,090
oh, but there's a tree down across the road

1697
01:27:19,090 --> 01:27:20,529
at Steve Mullock's house,

1698
01:27:20,529 --> 01:27:23,439
so we aren't going to get through there either.

1699
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:24,680
Okay, sure.

1700
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,020
I mean, we have some backup direction of access,

1701
01:27:27,020 --> 01:27:30,720
but there's Lincoln Road, Sumner Road,

1702
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:31,560
Yeah.

1703
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:33,079
Leisure Road, Boulder Road,

1704
01:27:33,079 --> 01:27:35,619
they're all been in the right road.

1705
01:27:35,619 --> 01:27:36,460
Yeah, that's true.

1706
01:27:36,460 --> 01:27:38,359
That's true, Facial Road.

1707
01:27:38,359 --> 01:27:39,199
Mm-hmm.

1708
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:42,739
You know, to get people, to save people,

1709
01:27:42,739 --> 01:27:46,340
and get them out, you can use, you know, ATVs and stuff,

1710
01:27:46,340 --> 01:27:50,130
but to actually put a fire out and get them out,

1711
01:27:50,130 --> 01:27:51,529
it's not easy to put a house fire out,

1712
01:27:51,529 --> 01:27:53,640
where, you know, of course they won't.

1713
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,000
At your convenience, if you want to have another meeting

1714
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,479
on the side, outside of a public meeting,

1715
01:27:58,479 --> 01:27:59,880
I'd be happy to come.

1716
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:01,680
But just, Well, we need people.

1717
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:02,520
Well, we need people.

1718
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,640
We need to fill issues, that's the most important part.

1719
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:06,760
Yeah, we need somebody to volunteer for that.

1720
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,119
Just one view for a second,

1721
01:28:09,119 --> 01:28:10,819
hopefully beyond all our lifetimes,

1722
01:28:10,819 --> 01:28:13,060
but Mill Road itself should be a conversation

1723
01:28:13,060 --> 01:28:15,859
and why we gave back,

1724
01:28:15,859 --> 01:28:18,500
why we gave back some roads, right-of-ways and stuff.

1725
01:28:18,500 --> 01:28:20,840
I wish I was paying more attention on that.

1726
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:22,800
It's crazy beyond me what we gave someone back.

1727
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:23,939
As a by-the-way pass,

1728
01:28:23,939 --> 01:28:29,640
and I think Nancy and Lauren both got copies,

1729
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:36,029
there is a webinar at 2 p.m. on Monday the 25th

1730
01:28:36,029 --> 01:28:39,670
about the emergency management plan

1731
01:28:39,670 --> 01:28:42,550
that we have to sign off for for the town,

1732
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:45,819
and they're going to talk about those things.

1733
01:28:45,819 --> 01:28:47,319
Oh, with Dara Zink?

1734
01:28:47,319 --> 01:28:47,819
I'm sorry?

1735
01:28:47,819 --> 01:28:50,189
With Dara Zink?

1736
01:28:50,189 --> 01:28:51,930
I think Dara sent out the note.

1737
01:28:51,930 --> 01:28:54,369
Is that the one she's having some public hearing,

1738
01:28:54,369 --> 01:28:55,869
or it's got to be a public hearing?

1739
01:28:55,869 --> 01:28:58,229
Oh, no, that's hazard mitigation.

1740
01:28:58,229 --> 01:29:00,199
That's the one I got.

1741
01:29:00,199 --> 01:29:02,260
That's the one I was thinking of, too.

1742
01:29:02,260 --> 01:29:04,140
Okay, what was this one?

1743
01:29:04,140 --> 01:29:10,140
This is, maybe it came to me for emergency management.

1744
01:29:10,140 --> 01:29:14,399
I'll have to see who sent it.

1745
01:29:14,399 --> 01:29:17,340
This is a webinar that I think the L.C.

1746
01:29:17,340 --> 01:29:19,350
T. is putting on,

1747
01:29:19,350 --> 01:29:22,789
or else Vermont Emergency Management is putting on,

1748
01:29:22,789 --> 01:29:28,739
as to what should go into your emergency management plan,

1749
01:29:28,739 --> 01:29:31,460
your local emergency.

1750
01:29:31,460 --> 01:29:34,119
Okay, I'll go back to you, and then I'll get back to you.

1751
01:29:34,119 --> 01:29:37,819
Okay, a lot to think about.

1752
01:29:37,819 --> 01:29:39,300
Big letters, Laurie, in the minutes.

1753
01:29:39,300 --> 01:29:43,789
We need help, especially.

1754
01:29:43,789 --> 01:29:47,470
Anything else, emergency management guys?

1755
01:29:47,470 --> 01:29:50,369
I think that was enough on me.

1756
01:29:50,369 --> 01:29:53,529
Result of town meeting.

1757
01:29:53,529 --> 01:29:55,170
I think it was very well handled,

1758
01:29:55,170 --> 01:29:59,699
very calm, a little bit confusing with the school part

1759
01:29:59,699 --> 01:30:02,699
and voting and that, but yeah.

1760
01:30:02,699 --> 01:30:05,340
I think I got up and locked it, and it was safer.

1761
01:30:05,340 --> 01:30:10,039
I thought it ran pretty smooth.

1762
01:30:10,039 --> 01:30:14,180
One thing I wish is there was a lot more people on some topics

1763
01:30:14,180 --> 01:30:17,279
that had their hands up, so I wish I had a chance

1764
01:30:17,279 --> 01:30:20,180
to say whatever it is they had to say.

1765
01:30:20,180 --> 01:30:22,239
I hear sometimes we cut things short just

1766
01:30:22,239 --> 01:30:25,020
because we're watching the clock and trying to get out of there.

1767
01:30:25,020 --> 01:30:25,619
No.

1768
01:30:25,619 --> 01:30:26,920
Everybody said, move the question.

1769
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:28,960
I voted no, and everybody looked at me like,

1770
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:29,960
what are you doing voting no?

1771
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,520
It wasn't that I was voting no on the issue.

1772
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:33,619
I didn't want to move the question

1773
01:30:33,619 --> 01:30:34,960
because people had their hands up.

1774
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,260
So I understood that once you did it.

1775
01:30:36,260 --> 01:30:38,500
And I was the only guy, everybody's like,

1776
01:30:38,500 --> 01:30:41,500
what are you doing, and I'm like, let's give Carol.

1777
01:30:41,500 --> 01:30:44,479
Oh, I think you did a great job.

1778
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:50,050
You did, because it really does take a lot to pay attention

1779
01:30:50,050 --> 01:30:52,689
to the conversation, to watch all the hands,

1780
01:30:52,689 --> 01:30:55,979
and some of them that are eight rows back,

1781
01:30:55,979 --> 01:31:00,720
and I've certainly taken enough advice in the past

1782
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,819
where I said, okay, let's go on to the motion,

1783
01:31:02,819 --> 01:31:07,920
and somebody says, wait, you missed this person, that person.

1784
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:11,720
So it's something to probably discuss with Paul

1785
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,060
and tell him to look at it more carefully.

1786
01:31:14,060 --> 01:31:16,119
I mean, I thought he did a great job.

1787
01:31:16,119 --> 01:31:18,960
He did an excellent job for the first time, don't I?

1788
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,000
I'm not nodding to him at all.

1789
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,300
I wish that people, unlike you,

1790
01:31:23,300 --> 01:31:25,699
I wish people understood the process.

1791
01:31:25,699 --> 01:31:28,680
When they say, move the question, and everybody's like,

1792
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:33,300
ah, that's, we're not voting on the question.

1793
01:31:33,300 --> 01:31:36,130
There's three people out there with their hands up.

1794
01:31:36,130 --> 01:31:38,369
Slow down.

1795
01:31:38,369 --> 01:31:41,310
So we can get out of that 9.30 instead of 9, so what?

1796
01:31:41,310 --> 01:31:42,170
Slow down.

1797
01:31:42,170 --> 01:31:44,210
I wish people knew that until 10.30.

1798
01:31:44,210 --> 01:31:45,250
Yeah.

1799
01:31:45,250 --> 01:31:51,180
I looked into that, the statutes and everything,

1800
01:31:51,180 --> 01:31:54,140
and actually after a question has been moved,

1801
01:31:54,140 --> 01:31:56,060
as long as you haven't moved on to the next question,

1802
01:31:56,060 --> 01:32:02,439
the next topic, you can bring it, you can reconsider it.

1803
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:07,390
And I think, had I known that before,

1804
01:32:07,390 --> 01:32:11,850
I would have asked to reconsider what just happened.

1805
01:32:11,850 --> 01:32:14,329
In fairness, this used to be stated at the beginning

1806
01:32:14,329 --> 01:32:18,779
of each town meeting, and that's experience,

1807
01:32:18,779 --> 01:32:23,579
and I didn't go to the webinar for a lot of years.

1808
01:32:23,579 --> 01:32:26,920
Well, Paul, Laurie, and I sat here,

1809
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:30,520
and I said, wow, all the things you can do under a motion,

1810
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:34,819
and stuff, there was a whole page of the terminology,

1811
01:32:34,819 --> 01:32:38,939
and I think, wow, we've never, never done that before.

1812
01:32:38,939 --> 01:32:44,100
Move the question, reconsider, table, language,

1813
01:32:44,100 --> 01:32:45,100
and everything.

1814
01:32:45,100 --> 01:32:46,100
I thought you had it all, you had it all in there.

1815
01:32:46,100 --> 01:32:47,100
Sure.

1816
01:32:47,100 --> 01:32:48,100
Yeah, but you have to.

1817
01:32:48,100 --> 01:32:50,180
But maybe, I think maybe next year,

1818
01:32:50,180 --> 01:32:52,979
if we set it up different, that we could see everybody,

1819
01:32:52,979 --> 01:32:55,279
because I couldn't see everybody where I was sitting.

1820
01:32:55,279 --> 01:32:56,239
Well, you don't.

1821
01:32:56,239 --> 01:32:56,920
Well, you were.

1822
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:58,159
You were a long way today.

1823
01:32:58,159 --> 01:32:58,659
Yes.

1824
01:32:58,659 --> 01:32:59,720
A mind spot on him.

1825
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:01,920
Yeah, I didn't see you.

1826
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,100
He's got a hand up.

1827
01:33:04,100 --> 01:33:05,979
There were several people.

1828
01:33:05,979 --> 01:33:08,239
One of the other, I mean, people had a lot of questions

1829
01:33:08,239 --> 01:33:09,739
about the speed radar signs as well.

1830
01:33:09,739 --> 01:33:10,319
Right.

1831
01:33:10,319 --> 01:33:11,180
Yeah, for sure.

1832
01:33:11,180 --> 01:33:13,579
We probably ought to explain to people

1833
01:33:13,579 --> 01:33:16,649
if you think you're being passed over,

1834
01:33:16,649 --> 01:33:18,489
stand up and say something.

1835
01:33:18,489 --> 01:33:18,989
Shout it.

1836
01:33:18,989 --> 01:33:19,550
Right then and there.

1837
01:33:19,550 --> 01:33:20,649
Shout it.

1838
01:33:20,649 --> 01:33:21,750
Point of order.

1839
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:22,590
I haven't finished.

1840
01:33:22,590 --> 01:33:24,050
You didn't come around me yet.

1841
01:33:24,050 --> 01:33:25,189
Right.

1842
01:33:25,189 --> 01:33:27,329
That's not easy for some people

1843
01:33:27,329 --> 01:33:30,319
to do, but.

1844
01:33:30,319 --> 01:33:32,779
Or, you know, if they spoke once, okay.

1845
01:33:32,779 --> 01:33:34,520
I understand what he was trying to do.

1846
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,979
You speak once, but not this back and forth

1847
01:33:37,979 --> 01:33:40,720
with you talking to you and the audience.

1848
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:43,899
And that he seemed to keep control of.

1849
01:33:43,899 --> 01:33:47,500
And are people allowed to actually stand up

1850
01:33:47,500 --> 01:33:50,430
and speak at a podium?

1851
01:33:50,430 --> 01:33:51,630
No.

1852
01:33:51,630 --> 01:33:52,510
That was there.

1853
01:33:52,510 --> 01:33:56,930
That was, that almost spoke with authority.

1854
01:33:56,930 --> 01:33:58,109
And out of place.

1855
01:33:58,109 --> 01:33:58,510
Right.

1856
01:33:58,510 --> 01:33:59,670
In the presentation?

1857
01:33:59,670 --> 01:34:00,250
Yeah.

1858
01:34:00,250 --> 01:34:01,109
I didn't really.

1859
01:34:01,109 --> 01:34:02,210
He had no right to a presentation.

1860
01:34:02,210 --> 01:34:03,949
He had no right to a podium.

1861
01:34:03,949 --> 01:34:06,390
And Paul didn't have enough experience to tell him,

1862
01:34:06,390 --> 01:34:07,949
talk from the floor, here's a microphone.

1863
01:34:07,949 --> 01:34:09,949
I think Paul was just taking the back

1864
01:34:09,949 --> 01:34:11,090
because I looked back at him a little.

1865
01:34:11,090 --> 01:34:13,649
He just walked up.

1866
01:34:13,649 --> 01:34:15,869
So I can't, I have to use the podium.

1867
01:34:15,869 --> 01:34:19,130
But in the past, anyone that wanted to talk,

1868
01:34:19,130 --> 01:34:20,729
they usually come up front,

1869
01:34:20,729 --> 01:34:22,930
but now we have the microphones going around.

1870
01:34:22,930 --> 01:34:26,609
But people could come up front, not behind the table

1871
01:34:26,609 --> 01:34:28,510
or not at the podium, but they stood in front

1872
01:34:28,510 --> 01:34:29,510
of the podium.

1873
01:34:29,510 --> 01:34:33,390
I don't think it will ever happen again on Paul's walk.

1874
01:34:33,390 --> 01:34:36,750
Why not have like a separate podium

1875
01:34:36,750 --> 01:34:39,789
for people asking questions that they can go up to

1876
01:34:39,789 --> 01:34:41,689
if they have the paperwork?

1877
01:34:41,689 --> 01:34:43,989
It's like in the down, like in the middle of the,

1878
01:34:43,989 --> 01:34:46,529
you know, the runway kind of idea.

1879
01:34:46,529 --> 01:34:49,829
Because then, the runway, you know, the walkway.

1880
01:34:49,829 --> 01:34:52,229
You've got your notes and then it's just faster

1881
01:34:52,229 --> 01:34:54,909
than trying to send more, you know,

1882
01:34:54,909 --> 01:34:56,909
here and there and everywhere else.

1883
01:34:56,909 --> 01:34:58,109
And also people just get.

1884
01:34:58,510 --> 01:35:00,510
They didn't want to run out and they didn't want to use it.

1885
01:35:00,510 --> 01:35:01,510
Right.

1886
01:35:01,510 --> 01:35:03,390
And some people don't want to speak in the mic either.

1887
01:35:03,390 --> 01:35:04,390
Exactly.

1888
01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:05,390
Even if you bring it to them.

1889
01:35:05,390 --> 01:35:07,390
Even if they're standing up at the front

1890
01:35:07,390 --> 01:35:09,390
and there's not a mic, they're more visible.

1891
01:35:09,390 --> 01:35:11,189
It's not like they're speaking from the back.

1892
01:35:11,189 --> 01:35:13,029
And they can queue up also.

1893
01:35:13,029 --> 01:35:14,029
Like correct.

1894
01:35:14,029 --> 01:35:15,229
Like get behind him and buy the question.

1895
01:35:15,229 --> 01:35:16,229
Yes.

1896
01:35:16,229 --> 01:35:17,229
It's hard to hear.

1897
01:35:17,229 --> 01:35:20,930
I mean, that's one good thing they do

1898
01:35:20,930 --> 01:35:22,069
at the school board meetings.

1899
01:35:22,069 --> 01:35:24,069
They, if you're a visitor, you get up,

1900
01:35:24,069 --> 01:35:26,069
you go up to the podium and you talk.

1901
01:35:26,069 --> 01:35:28,069
You don't talk in the audience like that.

1902
01:35:28,510 --> 01:35:29,510
We did that in the COVID year

1903
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:30,510
when it was out in the tent.

1904
01:35:30,510 --> 01:35:31,510
We did that, too.

1905
01:35:31,510 --> 01:35:32,510
Yeah.

1906
01:35:32,510 --> 01:35:33,930
Because it was hard to hear outside.

1907
01:35:33,930 --> 01:35:34,930
Yeah.

1908
01:35:34,930 --> 01:35:35,930
They won't have that back and forth.

1909
01:35:35,930 --> 01:35:36,930
They can't.

1910
01:35:36,930 --> 01:35:37,930
You can't let that start.

1911
01:35:37,930 --> 01:35:38,930
Right.

1912
01:35:38,930 --> 01:35:39,930
Because you, it's impossible to pull it back in again.

1913
01:35:39,930 --> 01:35:40,930
Yeah.

1914
01:35:40,930 --> 01:35:41,930
That's all I do.

1915
01:35:41,930 --> 01:35:42,930
I mean, falls in state at one point at least,

1916
01:35:42,930 --> 01:35:44,090
if not more than twice, whatever conversation you have

1917
01:35:44,090 --> 01:35:45,090
is directed to me as the moderator.

1918
01:35:45,090 --> 01:35:46,090
Right.

1919
01:35:46,090 --> 01:35:47,090
Yes.

1920
01:35:47,090 --> 01:35:48,090
Yep.

1921
01:35:48,090 --> 01:35:49,090
Yep.

1922
01:35:49,090 --> 01:35:50,090
That was good.

1923
01:35:50,090 --> 01:35:51,090
So we try and limit some of this back and forth

1924
01:35:51,090 --> 01:35:52,090
kind of thing.

1925
01:35:52,090 --> 01:35:53,090
Yeah.

1926
01:35:53,090 --> 01:35:54,090
Yeah.

1927
01:35:54,090 --> 01:35:55,090
Yeah.

1928
01:35:55,090 --> 01:35:56,090
Yeah.

1929
01:35:56,090 --> 01:35:57,090
Yeah.

1930
01:35:57,090 --> 01:35:58,090
Yeah.

1931
01:35:58,090 --> 01:35:59,090
Yeah.

1932
01:35:59,090 --> 01:36:00,250
Okay.

1933
01:36:00,250 --> 01:36:01,250
And it happened .

1934
01:36:01,250 --> 01:36:02,250
It happened.

1935
01:36:02,250 --> 01:36:03,250
Yeah.

1936
01:36:03,250 --> 01:36:25,630
So I think I saw the

1937
01:36:25,630 --> 01:36:33,060
I've seen zip tie.

1938
01:36:33,060 --> 01:36:33,500
I don't know.

1939
01:36:33,500 --> 01:36:39,899
And then I saw the numbers of the voters versus the active voters.

1940
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:43,619
So this, what was it, seven-something?

1941
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:47,399
That's actually down to six-something, since active voters.

1942
01:36:47,500 --> 01:36:50,020
So that brings your percentage up to almost 60%.

1943
01:36:50,020 --> 01:36:54,579
60%, you don't get that in any town, ever.

1944
01:36:55,279 --> 01:36:56,560
I mean, that's amazing.

1945
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:00,720
I think it's the presidential priming plus the races that we have.

1946
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,659
It's just a testimony of people getting the vote.

1947
01:37:03,659 --> 01:37:08,159
I would say it's a select board race that chose to vote because there was less people that voted for president.

1948
01:37:09,380 --> 01:37:09,579
Yeah.

1949
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:11,960
So it's a select board race that chose to vote.

1950
01:37:12,100 --> 01:37:17,140
I tell you, this town should be, just be proud of everybody involved.

1951
01:37:17,420 --> 01:37:18,779
That was awesome to see that.

1952
01:37:19,979 --> 01:37:21,640
Okay.

1953
01:37:22,779 --> 01:37:25,319
Next item, sign extension denial.

1954
01:37:26,689 --> 01:37:27,130
Okay.

1955
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:30,189
We went back to, this is about the sign itself.

1956
01:37:30,510 --> 01:37:31,789
We went back to the DBA.

1957
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:40,340
And asked for a waiver, no, a variance in January.

1958
01:37:40,939 --> 01:37:42,579
They denied the variance.

1959
01:37:42,579 --> 01:37:49,579
And they sent the board a letter saying that we had to remove the sign by January 28th.

1960
01:37:50,899 --> 01:37:59,819
And then they came back in February and said, well, we backed off again.

1961
01:38:00,279 --> 01:38:06,079
We asked the board that we wanted to investigate something.

1962
01:38:07,859 --> 01:38:09,159
Oh, we wanted to go.

1963
01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:10,699
We asked the board that we wanted to go to the Judicial Bureau.

1964
01:38:12,550 --> 01:38:12,989
Yep.

1965
01:38:12,989 --> 01:38:13,569
Or something.

1966
01:38:14,659 --> 01:38:16,359
And I started filling out the paperwork.

1967
01:38:16,359 --> 01:38:17,680
Oh, the Environmental Court.

1968
01:38:17,819 --> 01:38:18,800
And it was, yeah.

1969
01:38:18,979 --> 01:38:21,899
But it cost us a lot of money, a lot of paperwork.

1970
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:28,060
And we didn't have what really they liked to stand on because the ZBA followed their rules.

1971
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:30,079
So.

1972
01:38:31,239 --> 01:38:32,710
Where are we going to put the sign?

1973
01:38:32,710 --> 01:38:40,710
So anyway, the ZBA said they will uphold the decision to remove the sign by January 28th.

1974
01:38:41,189 --> 01:38:42,189
2024.

1975
01:38:42,189 --> 01:38:50,619
And they copied this letter and sent it to Deb as the Administrative Officer.

1976
01:38:50,619 --> 01:38:51,619
I saw it.

1977
01:38:51,619 --> 01:38:52,619
So.

1978
01:38:52,619 --> 01:38:53,619
I got it.

1979
01:38:53,619 --> 01:38:54,619
There we are.

1980
01:38:54,619 --> 01:38:58,619
This is a second letter in response from asking for an extension of the date?

1981
01:38:58,619 --> 01:38:59,619
Yes.

1982
01:38:59,619 --> 01:39:00,619
And they said no?

1983
01:39:00,619 --> 01:39:01,619
Correct.

1984
01:39:01,619 --> 01:39:02,619
Correct.

1985
01:39:02,619 --> 01:39:05,619
Yeah, I think we burnt all versions as far as the sign goes.

1986
01:39:05,619 --> 01:39:07,619
Well, I have a question.

1987
01:39:07,619 --> 01:39:09,619
It's not the same.

1988
01:39:09,619 --> 01:39:12,619
I know that the select board can.

1989
01:39:12,619 --> 01:39:13,619
No.

1990
01:39:13,619 --> 01:39:24,069
They can make a change to the bylaws removing the compliance with municipalities for certain bylaws.

1991
01:39:24,069 --> 01:39:28,069
So we talked about this way in the beginning.

1992
01:39:28,069 --> 01:39:36,699
Why can't we take, unscrew the sign, take the panel down.

1993
01:39:36,699 --> 01:39:37,699
Change the bylaw.

1994
01:39:37,699 --> 01:39:38,699
Change the bylaw.

1995
01:39:38,699 --> 01:39:39,699
Put it back up.

1996
01:39:39,699 --> 01:39:40,699
Put it back up.

1997
01:39:40,699 --> 01:39:42,699
I mean, have we looked at that?

1998
01:39:42,699 --> 01:39:44,699
Is that just so simple crazy?

1999
01:39:44,699 --> 01:39:45,699
I know we've talked about it a lot.

2000
01:39:45,699 --> 01:39:46,699
Yeah.

2001
01:39:46,699 --> 01:39:47,699
Jeff?

2002
01:39:47,699 --> 01:39:48,699
I think it's going to be.

2003
01:39:48,699 --> 01:39:50,439
I think we definitely need to have a municipal rule because it's just this sign.

2004
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:52,170
But then what other signs that are.

2005
01:39:52,170 --> 01:39:53,170
The church.

2006
01:39:53,170 --> 01:39:54,170
It can be continued on.

2007
01:39:54,170 --> 01:39:55,170
Yeah.

2008
01:39:55,170 --> 01:39:56,170
And if we want to keep our town together, it will become this person's attacking this

2009
01:39:56,170 --> 01:39:57,170
person kind of situation.

2010
01:39:57,170 --> 01:39:58,170
So I think we do need a municipal kind of like plus sign.

2011
01:39:58,170 --> 01:39:59,170
Yeah.

2012
01:39:59,170 --> 01:40:00,170
Yeah.

2013
01:40:00,170 --> 01:40:01,170
Yeah.

2014
01:40:01,170 --> 01:40:02,170
Yeah.

2015
01:40:02,170 --> 01:40:03,170
Yeah.

2016
01:40:03,170 --> 01:40:04,170
Yeah.

2017
01:40:04,170 --> 01:40:05,170
Yeah.

2018
01:40:05,170 --> 01:40:06,170
Yeah.

2019
01:40:06,170 --> 01:40:07,170
Yeah.

2020
01:40:07,170 --> 01:40:08,170
Yeah.

2021
01:40:08,170 --> 01:40:09,170
Yeah.

2022
01:40:09,170 --> 01:40:10,170
Yeah.

2023
01:40:10,170 --> 01:40:11,170
Yeah.

2024
01:40:11,170 --> 01:40:12,170
Yeah.

2025
01:40:12,170 --> 01:40:13,170
Yeah.

2026
01:40:13,170 --> 01:40:14,170
Yeah.

2027
01:40:14,170 --> 01:40:15,170
Yeah.

2028
01:40:15,170 --> 01:40:16,170
Yeah.

2029
01:40:16,170 --> 01:40:17,170
Yeah.

2030
01:40:17,170 --> 01:40:18,170
Kind of like plus if you're going to say the letters have to be this high.

2031
01:40:18,170 --> 01:40:21,529
There's no way you're ever going to have another sign that's going to be 12 square square feet.

2032
01:40:21,529 --> 01:40:22,529
It's going to be bigger.

2033
01:40:22,529 --> 01:40:23,529
Right.

2034
01:40:23,529 --> 01:40:24,529
It's got to be bigger.

2035
01:40:24,529 --> 01:40:25,529
Yes.

2036
01:40:25,529 --> 01:40:27,170
So these things need to be done.

2037
01:40:27,170 --> 01:40:32,909
We need to kind of catch up with the times, and I think it's just, it's something that

2038
01:40:32,909 --> 01:40:34,270
needs to happen.

2039
01:40:34,270 --> 01:40:39,850
The other 50% of the town.

2040
01:40:39,850 --> 01:40:51,729
I mean, I agree with what we want should be exempt from the.

2041
01:40:51,729 --> 01:40:52,729
That's what I'm seeing.

2042
01:40:52,729 --> 01:40:53,729
Take it down.

2043
01:40:53,729 --> 01:41:04,850
process over. And the challenge that I had is, you know, the footprint is, so if you

2044
01:41:04,850 --> 01:41:09,829
take the sign off, do you still, are the posts considered the footprint?

2045
01:41:09,829 --> 01:41:12,829
I mentioned that, and I thought you actually said yes.

2046
01:41:13,229 --> 01:41:16,310
Well, I did, and then I looked into it.

2047
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:19,270
And that's what I don't want, I don't want to give that deep into this.

2048
01:41:19,270 --> 01:41:27,609
I looked deeper into it, and, you know, again, my God, you can talk to so many people in

2049
01:41:27,609 --> 01:41:32,510
the government, and you're going to get variations of opinions.

2050
01:41:32,529 --> 01:41:36,170
I think you did, Deb, because BCRC said, you need a permit.

2051
01:41:38,050 --> 01:41:40,270
Okay, and so did the PLCT.

2052
01:41:40,850 --> 01:41:43,789
Right, and then BCRC said, now what's the footprint?

2053
01:41:44,010 --> 01:41:47,630
I mean, they're telling you one thing right in the beginning, and now they're changing.

2054
01:41:47,630 --> 01:41:49,949
It's like two lawyers, two different opinions.

2055
01:41:50,289 --> 01:41:50,409
Exactly.

2056
01:41:51,420 --> 01:41:54,579
I agree that it should come down to that.

2057
01:41:54,579 --> 01:42:01,340
If this was not a municipality, it was a private business or whatever, and they were in violation,

2058
01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:08,520
and they were ordered to take it down on a date, and pass that date now, what would your

2059
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:09,659
job be to do that?

2060
01:42:09,659 --> 01:42:14,539
I've never had to do this, so I need to figure that out.

2061
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:17,819
I can, I know that I have to send a letter.

2062
01:42:18,539 --> 01:42:20,680
I have to send a letter, and then it finds.

2063
01:42:21,220 --> 01:42:25,560
And then it's, I mean, I'm sure Ron had to do it.

2064
01:42:25,579 --> 01:42:26,420
There's a lot of letters in the catalog.

2065
01:42:26,420 --> 01:42:27,479
There are letters, yep.

2066
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:28,539
So there could be a.

2067
01:42:28,539 --> 01:42:30,819
There's a fine, you have to fine yourself.

2068
01:42:30,819 --> 01:42:35,579
Right, so now we find the town, the town finds the town.

2069
01:42:35,579 --> 01:42:36,720
The town finds the town.

2070
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:42,020
Let's just say it's a hundred bucks, and the town pays the town a hundred dollars, and then the hundred dollars

2071
01:42:42,020 --> 01:42:47,079
goes back into the town through that board, back into this, and that, so this is, this is silliness.

2072
01:42:47,079 --> 01:42:47,659
Isn't that the latest one?

2073
01:42:47,659 --> 01:42:48,159
It is.

2074
01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:50,439
If the ultimate goal.

2075
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:50,840
Mm-hmm.

2076
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:51,340
If the ultimate goal.

2077
01:42:51,340 --> 01:42:56,939
If the ultimate goal is, and this is where, I know people don't like the sign, that's not the issue.

2078
01:42:56,939 --> 01:42:57,439
Right.

2079
01:42:57,439 --> 01:43:03,640
Like I said, add some more stuff, say in school, in town hall, and we can add to it, then it's better not to take it down.

2080
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:10,159
If we take this down, and we never change the bylaws, that means, I agree with you, we will never, ever have another sign.

2081
01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:10,659
We can't.

2082
01:43:10,659 --> 01:43:11,159
Mm-hmm.

2083
01:43:11,159 --> 01:43:12,239
What a shame, okay?

2084
01:43:12,239 --> 01:43:12,739
That's a shame.

2085
01:43:12,739 --> 01:43:15,500
Well, we can, we can have a little sign, and it's gotta go back.

2086
01:43:15,500 --> 01:43:16,699
But then it's a safety hazard.

2087
01:43:16,699 --> 01:43:17,199
Yeah.

2088
01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:19,100
Then it's a safety hazard, so we can't.

2089
01:43:19,100 --> 01:43:21,100
I literally went through this with my shop in North Adams.

2090
01:43:21,340 --> 01:43:27,020
So, I have a little sign over my door that says, Deerfield Machine and Pool.

2091
01:43:27,020 --> 01:43:31,899
It's a lot of letters, and it's this big, because it wouldn't let me have a big sign.

2092
01:43:31,899 --> 01:43:32,399
Right.

2093
01:43:32,399 --> 01:43:38,619
I mean, I spoke a gun, but I spoke a gun with no permits, but I had this little sign, that's beside the point.

2094
01:43:38,619 --> 01:43:43,640
You can't see it, nobody knows, it doesn't really affect me, but it does in school.

2095
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:51,489
But if the ultimate goal is to take it down, change the bylaws, put it back up, and the words of my good friend,

2096
01:43:51,489 --> 01:43:53,489
Dave Pedro, that's silly.

2097
01:43:53,489 --> 01:43:55,489
It is silly.

2098
01:43:55,489 --> 01:43:57,489
It's silly, right?

2099
01:43:57,489 --> 01:44:05,560
If that's the case, and we're not getting fined, and we, why don't we take it down, just change the bylaws?

2100
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:09,909
Well, I, I agree with you.

2101
01:44:09,909 --> 01:44:11,909
I, I follow your logic.

2102
01:44:11,909 --> 01:44:16,000
I'm just saying to try to appease both sides.

2103
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,840
So, we're not gonna...

2104
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:20,840
Could you appease both sides?

2105
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:22,840
No, they didn't take it down, so they're getting fined.

2106
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:27,840
I'm just, I just don't want to hear that again, Mike.

2107
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:35,250
The biggest argument was that the town should be held to the standard that everybody else...

2108
01:44:35,250 --> 01:44:36,250
We did it.

2109
01:44:36,250 --> 01:44:43,250
So, well, then, then we should not just leave it up, and if...

2110
01:44:43,250 --> 01:44:44,250
I get it.

2111
01:44:44,250 --> 01:44:47,250
Take it down, change the standards, put it back up.

2112
01:44:47,250 --> 01:44:49,640
It's a few bullets.

2113
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:51,729
Basically.

2114
01:44:51,729 --> 01:44:52,729
I don't think so.

2115
01:44:52,729 --> 01:44:54,729
We're not exempt at all.

2116
01:44:54,729 --> 01:44:55,729
No, we're not.

2117
01:44:55,729 --> 01:44:56,729
No.

2118
01:44:56,729 --> 01:44:57,729
But...

2119
01:44:57,729 --> 01:44:58,729
We should be.

2120
01:44:58,729 --> 01:44:59,729
Most municipalities are.

2121
01:44:59,729 --> 01:45:00,729
Most of them.

2122
01:45:00,729 --> 01:45:01,729
Most of them.

2123
01:45:01,729 --> 01:45:02,729
Yes.

2124
01:45:02,729 --> 01:45:03,729
And that's...

2125
01:45:03,729 --> 01:45:04,729
That's what I'm trying to make.

2126
01:45:04,729 --> 01:45:05,729
It's like a 50-50.

2127
01:45:05,729 --> 01:45:06,729
That's why Mass MoCA was an entity of the city.

2128
01:45:06,729 --> 01:45:07,729
They're not owned by anybody else.

2129
01:45:07,729 --> 01:45:08,729
The city owns them.

2130
01:45:08,729 --> 01:45:09,729
It's an institution...

2131
01:45:09,729 --> 01:45:10,729
Okay, that's...

2132
01:45:10,729 --> 01:45:11,729
...owned by anybody in the city, exempt from the rules.

2133
01:45:11,729 --> 01:45:12,729
Yeah.

2134
01:45:12,729 --> 01:45:13,729
Because I looked into it.

2135
01:45:13,729 --> 01:45:14,729
I'm like, you guys just put up signs that are figuring it in my building.

2136
01:45:14,729 --> 01:45:15,729
Yeah.

2137
01:45:15,729 --> 01:45:16,729
They're exempt.

2138
01:45:16,729 --> 01:45:17,729
Right.

2139
01:45:17,729 --> 01:45:18,729
So, we're not exempt.

2140
01:45:18,729 --> 01:45:19,729
We're not exempt.

2141
01:45:19,729 --> 01:45:20,729
We're not exempt.

2142
01:45:20,729 --> 01:45:22,180
We're not exempt.

2143
01:45:22,180 --> 01:45:23,180
We're not exempt.

2144
01:45:23,180 --> 01:45:24,180
We're not exempt.

2145
01:45:24,180 --> 01:45:25,180
Right.

2146
01:45:25,180 --> 01:45:26,180
So, same thing here.

2147
01:45:26,180 --> 01:45:27,180
Most municipalities are exempt from bylaws.

2148
01:45:27,180 --> 01:45:28,180
From all kinds of laws.

2149
01:45:28,180 --> 01:45:29,399
Right.

2150
01:45:29,399 --> 01:45:30,399
Exactly.

2151
01:45:30,399 --> 01:45:31,399
All kinds of laws.

2152
01:45:31,399 --> 01:45:37,399
I just think if you leave it up and change the bylaws while the sign is left up, you're

2153
01:45:37,399 --> 01:45:40,399
going to hear that same drumbeat over and over.

2154
01:45:40,399 --> 01:45:41,399
Right.

2155
01:45:41,399 --> 01:45:42,399
Right.

2156
01:45:42,399 --> 01:45:43,399
So, we take...

2157
01:45:43,399 --> 01:45:44,399
I don't know.

2158
01:45:44,399 --> 01:45:45,399
Yeah.

2159
01:45:45,399 --> 01:45:46,399
It is silly.

2160
01:45:46,399 --> 01:45:47,399
It's stupid.

2161
01:45:47,399 --> 01:45:48,399
Let me avoid the drumbeat either way.

2162
01:45:48,399 --> 01:45:49,399
Is it bolted on there?

2163
01:45:49,399 --> 01:45:50,399
It's not.

2164
01:45:50,399 --> 01:45:51,399
We're not going to...

2165
01:45:51,399 --> 01:45:52,399
I don't know.

2166
01:45:52,399 --> 01:45:53,399
I don't know how...

2167
01:45:53,399 --> 01:45:54,399
I think it's just bolted on.

2168
01:45:54,399 --> 01:45:55,399
I think it's bolted on.

2169
01:45:55,399 --> 01:45:56,399
Well, Kurt, what would be your solution?

2170
01:45:56,399 --> 01:45:57,399
I'm serious.

2171
01:45:57,399 --> 01:45:58,399
There isn't really a solution to this.

2172
01:45:58,399 --> 01:45:59,399
Well, there's two solutions.

2173
01:45:59,399 --> 01:46:00,399
We either change the bylaws or we take the sign down.

2174
01:46:00,399 --> 01:46:01,399
Those are the two solutions.

2175
01:46:01,399 --> 01:46:02,399
But I'm saying you can do both.

2176
01:46:02,399 --> 01:46:03,399
And you can put it back up.

2177
01:46:03,399 --> 01:46:04,399
So, let's look at it like this.

2178
01:46:04,399 --> 01:46:05,399
Nevertheless, whether we go with your path or we take the sign down, either way, the

2179
01:46:05,399 --> 01:46:06,399
sign's got to come down for at least some time.

2180
01:46:06,399 --> 01:46:07,399
Yeah.

2181
01:46:07,399 --> 01:46:08,399
We could...

2182
01:46:08,399 --> 01:46:09,399
Correct?

2183
01:46:09,399 --> 01:46:10,399
We could...

2184
01:46:10,399 --> 01:46:11,399
We have a meeting, I think, we're trying to get to.

2185
01:46:11,399 --> 01:46:12,399
We're trying to get to that.

2186
01:46:12,399 --> 01:46:13,399
We're trying to get to that.

2187
01:46:13,399 --> 01:46:14,399
Why?

2188
01:46:14,399 --> 01:46:15,399
Because...

2189
01:46:15,399 --> 01:46:16,399
Either you've got to take the down...

2190
01:46:16,399 --> 01:46:17,399
In order to change your bylaw?

2191
01:46:17,399 --> 01:46:18,399
What?

2192
01:46:18,399 --> 01:46:19,399
This is what I'm saying.

2193
01:46:19,399 --> 01:46:20,399
Change the bylaw of the sign down?

2194
01:46:20,399 --> 01:46:21,399
That's what it...

2195
01:46:21,399 --> 01:46:22,399
It doesn't look right.

2196
01:46:22,399 --> 01:46:23,399
I'm not.

2197
01:46:23,399 --> 01:46:24,979
It doesn't look right.

2198
01:46:24,979 --> 01:46:25,979
Yeah.

2199
01:46:25,979 --> 01:46:26,979
It doesn't look right.

2200
01:46:26,979 --> 01:46:27,979
It doesn't look right.

2201
01:46:27,979 --> 01:46:28,979
Yeah.

2202
01:46:28,979 --> 01:46:29,979
It doesn't look right.

2203
01:46:29,979 --> 01:46:30,979
It doesn't look right.

2204
01:46:30,979 --> 01:46:31,979
Yeah.

2205
01:46:31,979 --> 01:46:32,979
It looks like we're trying to get away with that.

2206
01:46:32,979 --> 01:46:33,979
We've got 100 something to take down.

2207
01:46:33,979 --> 01:46:34,979
We can...

2208
01:46:34,979 --> 01:46:35,979
No, you don't have to hunt.

2209
01:46:35,979 --> 01:46:36,979
No.

2210
01:46:36,979 --> 01:46:37,979
We can't...

2211
01:46:37,979 --> 01:46:38,979
We can't...

2212
01:46:38,979 --> 01:46:39,979
We can take it down.

2213
01:46:39,979 --> 01:46:40,979
We can do it...

2214
01:46:40,979 --> 01:46:41,979
We can?

2215
01:46:41,979 --> 01:46:42,979
We can do it.

2216
01:46:42,979 --> 01:46:43,979
Oh, no.

2217
01:46:43,979 --> 01:46:48,979
I will come down with my tools and take it down.

2218
01:46:48,979 --> 01:46:53,979
Yes, we all have tools, many of us in town have lots of tools.

2219
01:46:53,979 --> 01:46:57,979
We've got to have a place to store the sign and then we've got to hire somebody to put the sign down.

2220
01:46:57,979 --> 01:47:01,979
No, we don't have to hire anybody. It's called volunteerism.

2221
01:47:01,979 --> 01:47:07,979
We can put the sign right here and store it.

2222
01:47:07,979 --> 01:47:11,420
I hear you.

2223
01:47:11,420 --> 01:47:15,420
The sign should be stored right where it is before we change the bylaws.

2224
01:47:15,420 --> 01:47:17,420
I've had a tough time taking it down.

2225
01:47:17,420 --> 01:47:19,420
I am too. I think it's...

2226
01:47:19,420 --> 01:47:21,420
I hear what you're saying.

2227
01:47:21,420 --> 01:47:29,420
I almost resigned over this because I'm like, I'm not going to enforce this. It's crazy.

2228
01:47:29,420 --> 01:47:30,420
Bill.

2229
01:47:30,420 --> 01:47:35,920
Town bylaws were put in place by the town.

2230
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,399
I have a special town meeting.

2231
01:47:38,399 --> 01:47:46,090
Ask for permission to exempt municipal signs retroactively.

2232
01:47:46,090 --> 01:47:55,750
By the vote of the town, since the town established the laws, the town should be able to bypass the laws.

2233
01:47:55,750 --> 01:48:01,199
I don't agree with that process because we're stepping on the toes of the planning commission.

2234
01:48:01,199 --> 01:48:09,449
The planning commission does the plans first and then it goes to the public hearing and then it goes select board.

2235
01:48:09,449 --> 01:48:14,449
Well, here's what I think though is, I think the planning commission did their job.

2236
01:48:14,449 --> 01:48:18,449
I have nothing to say bad about them. They did their job.

2237
01:48:18,449 --> 01:48:19,449
Okay?

2238
01:48:19,449 --> 01:48:25,449
What Bill's saying is this board has the authority to change a bylaw.

2239
01:48:25,449 --> 01:48:26,449
You do.

2240
01:48:26,449 --> 01:48:29,449
This board. We voted that bylaws in. We did.

2241
01:48:29,449 --> 01:48:33,449
We asked the zoning board for their input.

2242
01:48:33,449 --> 01:48:37,449
It's that many days, years, months, whatever.

2243
01:48:37,449 --> 01:48:39,449
And they gave us their recommendation.

2244
01:48:39,449 --> 01:48:43,449
But we ultimately are the ones that voted it in.

2245
01:48:43,449 --> 01:48:47,449
Now we did have towns. We had to post it for the town.

2246
01:48:47,449 --> 01:48:48,449
Public hearing?

2247
01:48:48,449 --> 01:48:49,449
Public hearing.

2248
01:48:49,449 --> 01:48:56,899
If we change the bylaws, like Doug said, do we have to have that public hearing?

2249
01:48:56,899 --> 01:48:59,899
I'm not sure for individuals.

2250
01:48:59,899 --> 01:49:03,899
I think if you're going to do a sweeping change with a bylaw.

2251
01:49:03,899 --> 01:49:09,409
But, Lori, do you know? Like, certain, does it have to be?

2252
01:49:09,409 --> 01:49:14,109
I think it should. I mean, the process is the process.

2253
01:49:14,109 --> 01:49:16,520
Did you have a question?

2254
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:22,800
I personally think, you know, we all know where this all went.

2255
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:27,800
But I think the select board did their due diligence by following the rules.

2256
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:29,800
The zoning board, same thing.

2257
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:31,800
They followed the rules.

2258
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:33,800
Deb's followed the rules.

2259
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:39,800
If the rules are followed, if we have to take it down, so be it.

2260
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:43,800
But I just think, and Dave said, what's in the best interest for this town?

2261
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:46,800
A sign or no sign?

2262
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:52,189
Now, if we were to take a vote right now, seriously, don't worry about whether or not you like the sign or not.

2263
01:49:52,189 --> 01:49:55,189
What's in the best interest of this town?

2264
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:57,189
Should we have a sign or shouldn't we?

2265
01:49:57,189 --> 01:49:58,189
We should have a sign.

2266
01:49:58,189 --> 01:50:01,189
Anybody think we shouldn't have a sign?

2267
01:50:01,189 --> 01:50:02,510
No.

2268
01:50:02,510 --> 01:50:11,510
And if I was at a town meeting and I said, is there anyone, don't be a smart ass, is there anyone out there that think we shouldn't have a sign on our town hall and school?

2269
01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:16,510
And I doubt very much you'd have one or two people just be wise guys and go, yeah, we shouldn't have a sign.

2270
01:50:16,510 --> 01:50:20,510
But ultimately, 99% of the people would say, we should have a sign.

2271
01:50:20,510 --> 01:50:21,920
How do we get that sign?

2272
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:27,920
If we take this sign down and we follow the rules, we'll never have a sign.

2273
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:28,920
We can't put the old sign up.

2274
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:29,920
That's a violation.

2275
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:31,920
We can't ever have a sign.

2276
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:34,920
So where do we go from here?

2277
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:35,920
We have to change the violence.

2278
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:36,920
We must.

2279
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:38,920
Or get rid of the sign.

2280
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,920
That's not in the best interest of the town.

2281
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:43,920
I'm just saying all the other choices.

2282
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:45,920
Does the sign have to be here?

2283
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:49,920
Aren't there other locations that would be compatible?

2284
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:50,920
Imagine that, though.

2285
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:51,920
Weird.

2286
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:52,920
Where do you think you could put the sign?

2287
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:53,920
I don't know.

2288
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:54,920
That's what I'm asking.

2289
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:56,920
It's not in compliance, regardless of where we put it.

2290
01:50:56,920 --> 01:50:57,920
The sign's too big.

2291
01:50:57,920 --> 01:50:58,920
What do you mean, though?

2292
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:00,920
Put it down like a . . .

2293
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:03,920
Oh, because it just says Stanford?

2294
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:05,920
Stanford or whatever even?

2295
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:08,920
When you say it had to be, where do you want the sign to be, though?

2296
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:09,920
That's what I'm asking.

2297
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:13,920
Are there other locations that we could possibly put it?

2298
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:14,920
On this property?

2299
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:16,920
Not necessarily on this property.

2300
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:17,920
Somewhere else in town.

2301
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:18,920
No, that's . . .

2302
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:19,920
It's too big.

2303
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:20,920
Right.

2304
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:21,920
It's too big.

2305
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:22,920
Any place.

2306
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:23,920
No matter what.

2307
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:24,920
And that sign just says . . .

2308
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:25,920
Okay.

2309
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:26,920
But let's just say we could.

2310
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:27,920
That sign could go down on . . .

2311
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:28,920
Say we could.

2312
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:29,920
What do we do here when people drive by and say, where's the school?

2313
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:30,920
Where's the town hall?

2314
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:31,920
Where's the library?

2315
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:32,920
Where do I check my gear at?

2316
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:33,989
You know, that's the problem is we need a sign out there.

2317
01:51:33,989 --> 01:51:34,989
We've had many people stop and go, we don't know.

2318
01:51:34,989 --> 01:51:35,989
That's one of the complaints about that sign.

2319
01:51:35,989 --> 01:51:36,989
I agree with that.

2320
01:51:36,989 --> 01:51:37,989
I do, too.

2321
01:51:37,989 --> 01:51:38,989
The sign's too big.

2322
01:51:38,989 --> 01:51:39,989
It's too big.

2323
01:51:39,989 --> 01:51:40,989
It's too big.

2324
01:51:40,989 --> 01:51:41,989
It's too big.

2325
01:51:41,989 --> 01:51:42,989
It's too big.

2326
01:51:42,989 --> 01:51:43,989
It's too big.

2327
01:51:43,989 --> 01:51:44,989
It's too big.

2328
01:51:44,989 --> 01:51:45,989
It's too big.

2329
01:51:45,989 --> 01:51:46,989
It's too big.

2330
01:51:46,989 --> 01:51:47,989
The sign is not fulfilled.

2331
01:51:47,989 --> 01:51:48,989
It needs more to it.

2332
01:51:48,989 --> 01:51:49,989
And we can't have it now.

2333
01:51:49,989 --> 01:51:50,989
I want to have it . . .

2334
01:51:50,989 --> 01:51:51,989
A bigger one.

2335
01:51:51,989 --> 01:51:52,989
Put more stuff on it.

2336
01:51:52,989 --> 01:51:53,989
But the bottom line is in the best interest of the town, if someone's driving by and

2337
01:51:53,989 --> 01:52:08,989
they want to stop . . .

2338
01:52:08,989 --> 01:52:12,989
We've always got an appointment with a lawyer and he drives by because he doesn't know

2339
01:52:12,989 --> 01:52:13,989
where it is.

2340
01:52:13,989 --> 01:52:14,989
You know?

2341
01:52:14,989 --> 01:52:15,989
You can't always count on two people.

2342
01:52:15,989 --> 01:52:19,449
GPS, we should be able to have a sign out there

2343
01:52:19,449 --> 01:52:20,909
that says this is what we have.

2344
01:52:20,909 --> 01:52:23,909
We should be proud of this town and proud of this building

2345
01:52:23,909 --> 01:52:25,510
and say this is where we're at.

2346
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:27,390
That's my opinion.

2347
01:52:27,390 --> 01:52:32,029
I mean, this is not, like, if we wanna vote on something,

2348
01:52:32,029 --> 01:52:35,170
you know, we wanna make a motion to vote on it, we can.

2349
01:52:35,170 --> 01:52:37,970
That's the thing, this board is stronger than you think.

2350
01:52:39,289 --> 01:52:40,369
We tell Dave all the time,

2351
01:52:40,369 --> 01:52:42,489
you're not gonna make everybody happy.

2352
01:52:42,489 --> 01:52:45,130
No, we're not gonna make everybody happy on this issue.

2353
01:52:45,130 --> 01:52:47,409
I wanna follow the rules.

2354
01:52:47,409 --> 01:52:49,369
I don't agree that everything that comes around

2355
01:52:49,369 --> 01:52:50,930
should go to the town vote.

2356
01:52:50,930 --> 01:52:53,189
I mean, the town had a vote three days ago

2357
01:52:53,189 --> 01:52:54,750
and the five of us are here.

2358
01:52:54,750 --> 01:52:55,590
Right.

2359
01:52:55,590 --> 01:52:57,229
That was the vote for some things.

2360
01:52:57,229 --> 01:52:59,829
And there's some things that need to go to a town vote.

2361
01:52:59,829 --> 01:53:02,229
I just don't know if this needs to go

2362
01:53:02,229 --> 01:53:03,829
through a public hearing process.

2363
01:53:03,829 --> 01:53:06,449
I wanna follow the letter of law to do it.

2364
01:53:06,449 --> 01:53:08,949
If someone didn't know my letter of law,

2365
01:53:08,949 --> 01:53:10,289
we wouldn't be having this issue.

2366
01:53:10,289 --> 01:53:11,130
Correct.

2367
01:53:11,130 --> 01:53:12,850
This whole idea that everything needs to go

2368
01:53:12,850 --> 01:53:14,130
to a town vote.

2369
01:53:14,130 --> 01:53:14,970
Yeah.

2370
01:53:15,130 --> 01:53:15,970
Is ridiculous.

2371
01:53:15,970 --> 01:53:18,970
This, the part being, Ali, Ali.

2372
01:53:18,970 --> 01:53:21,970
The part being, what you just said is that the spirit

2373
01:53:21,970 --> 01:53:24,970
behind this whole signed thing is ill nature, all right.

2374
01:53:24,970 --> 01:53:27,970
It's all a personal vendetta that the town's been dealing

2375
01:53:27,970 --> 01:53:30,970
with for a year now, that substantial financial trauma.

2376
01:53:30,970 --> 01:53:32,970
Well, it became that, can I just say that?

2377
01:53:32,970 --> 01:53:33,970
It became that after the fact.

2378
01:53:33,970 --> 01:53:34,970
Well, let me show you an example.

2379
01:53:34,970 --> 01:53:36,970
Because it was done with the spirit of volunteerism.

2380
01:53:36,970 --> 01:53:39,970
It was done with the committee, and I wasn't part

2381
01:53:39,970 --> 01:53:42,970
of this committee, but I know people who are in the committee,

2382
01:53:42,970 --> 01:53:43,970
and it was done with the spirit of volunteerism.

2383
01:53:43,970 --> 01:53:44,970
It was done with the committee.

2384
01:53:44,970 --> 01:53:47,810
I know people who were, that went to the authority

2385
01:53:47,810 --> 01:53:50,869
and were told by the authority in town

2386
01:53:50,869 --> 01:53:53,010
that they did not need a permit.

2387
01:53:53,010 --> 01:53:55,569
There were meetings after meetings after meetings

2388
01:53:55,569 --> 01:53:58,510
about the sign, the design of the sign.

2389
01:53:58,510 --> 01:54:02,689
This all didn't happen until after the sign was in,

2390
01:54:02,689 --> 01:54:04,250
planted, et cetera.

2391
01:54:04,250 --> 01:54:04,649
Correct.

2392
01:54:04,649 --> 01:54:06,329
So the ill will came afterwards.

2393
01:54:06,329 --> 01:54:06,630
Right.

2394
01:54:06,630 --> 01:54:07,649
Oh, yeah.

2395
01:54:07,649 --> 01:54:09,310
But let me show you a good example.

2396
01:54:09,310 --> 01:54:14,489
That, do I need a permit for the benches out there?

2397
01:54:14,489 --> 01:54:15,289
For the benches?

2398
01:54:15,289 --> 01:54:16,289
Did they put up?

2399
01:54:16,289 --> 01:54:19,210
No.

2400
01:54:19,210 --> 01:54:20,210
Okay.

2401
01:54:20,210 --> 01:54:21,210
So now let's keep going now.

2402
01:54:21,210 --> 01:54:22,210
Did you put that in writing?

2403
01:54:22,210 --> 01:54:23,210
Oh, there you go.

2404
01:54:23,210 --> 01:54:24,210
See what just happened?

2405
01:54:24,210 --> 01:54:25,210
No, no.

2406
01:54:25,210 --> 01:54:26,210
I had to do this recently.

2407
01:54:26,210 --> 01:54:27,210
So that's what happened when this DM signed me.

2408
01:54:27,210 --> 01:54:28,210
Yes.

2409
01:54:28,210 --> 01:54:29,210
Less than a guy.

2410
01:54:29,210 --> 01:54:30,210
Yes.

2411
01:54:30,210 --> 01:54:31,210
He said no, and they moved on.

2412
01:54:31,210 --> 01:54:32,210
They moved on.

2413
01:54:32,210 --> 01:54:33,210
That's what happened.

2414
01:54:33,210 --> 01:54:34,210
That is what happened.

2415
01:54:34,210 --> 01:54:35,210
So if the, I don't believe anybody's lying.

2416
01:54:35,210 --> 01:54:36,210
It wouldn't make sense.

2417
01:54:36,210 --> 01:54:37,210
Oh, no.

2418
01:54:37,210 --> 01:54:38,210
I don't think so.

2419
01:54:38,210 --> 01:54:39,210
So when someone says, well, he never said that.

2420
01:54:39,210 --> 01:54:40,210
I don't care.

2421
01:54:40,210 --> 01:54:41,210
I don't care.

2422
01:54:41,210 --> 01:54:42,210
I don't care.

2423
01:54:42,210 --> 01:54:43,210
I don't care.

2424
01:54:43,210 --> 01:54:44,210
I don't care.

2425
01:54:44,210 --> 01:54:45,210
I don't care.

2426
01:54:45,210 --> 01:54:46,210
I don't care.

2427
01:54:47,210 --> 01:54:48,210
I don't care.

2428
01:54:48,210 --> 01:54:49,210
I don't care.

2429
01:54:49,210 --> 01:54:50,210
I don't care.

2430
01:54:50,210 --> 01:54:51,210
I don't care.

2431
01:54:51,210 --> 01:54:52,210
They're all right.

2432
01:54:52,210 --> 01:54:53,210
I don't care.

2433
01:54:53,210 --> 01:54:54,210
I don't care.

2434
01:54:54,210 --> 01:54:55,210
I don't care.

2435
01:54:55,210 --> 01:54:56,210
I don't care.

2436
01:54:56,210 --> 01:54:57,210
I don't care.

2437
01:54:57,210 --> 01:54:58,210
I don't care.

2438
01:54:58,210 --> 01:54:59,210
I don't care.

2439
01:54:59,210 --> 01:55:00,210
I don't care.

2440
01:55:00,210 --> 01:55:01,210
I don't care.

2441
01:55:01,210 --> 01:55:02,210
I don't care.

2442
01:55:02,210 --> 01:55:03,210
My son said no because they moved in.

2443
01:55:03,210 --> 01:55:04,210
Oh, my God.

2444
01:55:04,210 --> 01:55:05,210
So that's what happened.

2445
01:55:05,210 --> 01:55:06,210
And this is where we're at because a man that doesn't even work here anymore, which I'd

2446
01:55:06,210 --> 01:55:07,210
love to bring him in here and ask him, did you see.

2447
01:55:07,210 --> 01:55:08,210
Did you actually say no.

2448
01:55:08,210 --> 01:55:09,210
They don't meet us.

2449
01:55:09,210 --> 01:55:10,470
If he did, then why are we going through this?

2450
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:13,149
And two months later, the state comes down.

2451
01:55:13,149 --> 01:55:16,069
We're gonna go behind him and stand behind him.

2452
01:55:16,069 --> 01:55:17,590
He works for us.

2453
01:55:17,590 --> 01:55:18,609
The same thing with Ryan.

2454
01:55:18,609 --> 01:55:21,310
When he did this, we stood behind,

2455
01:55:21,310 --> 01:55:23,130
we should stand right behind this decision.

2456
01:55:23,130 --> 01:55:25,590
He said, no, you didn't need it.

2457
01:55:25,590 --> 01:55:28,529
To come out later on is craziness.

2458
01:55:28,529 --> 01:55:29,510
It's crazy.

2459
01:55:29,510 --> 01:55:31,989
And to take the sign down forever is crazy.

2460
01:55:31,989 --> 01:55:32,829
That's my opinion.

2461
01:55:32,829 --> 01:55:34,369
And there's a lot of people that I know

2462
01:55:34,369 --> 01:55:35,210
are gonna be mad at me for that.

2463
01:55:35,210 --> 01:55:36,510
If it's been some volcano worms,

2464
01:55:36,510 --> 01:55:37,689
we should have never touched.

2465
01:55:37,689 --> 01:55:38,529
Right.

2466
01:55:38,529 --> 01:55:40,289
It's just state and personal vendettas

2467
01:55:40,289 --> 01:55:41,630
that could go on forever.

2468
01:55:41,630 --> 01:55:44,850
There's been so many permit violations in this town.

2469
01:55:44,850 --> 01:55:46,770
It's ridiculous to go down this road.

2470
01:55:46,770 --> 01:55:48,510
And we shouldn't go down that road.

2471
01:55:48,510 --> 01:55:52,329
I think we do have to at least take it down

2472
01:55:54,250 --> 01:55:55,970
and then change the rules.

2473
01:55:55,970 --> 01:55:59,649
Because if we just change the rules and don't take it down,

2474
01:55:59,649 --> 01:56:02,630
then it can be considered we are like,

2475
01:56:02,630 --> 01:56:05,630
you know, it's just, we're taking care of ourselves

2476
01:56:05,630 --> 01:56:06,470
versus-

2477
01:56:06,470 --> 01:56:07,909
We've gone down this road so deep now

2478
01:56:07,909 --> 01:56:08,529
and now we'll keep going. It just,

2479
01:56:08,529 --> 01:56:11,529
it just seems like it would be the one thing

2480
01:56:11,529 --> 01:56:15,350
that could make everyone say, okay, it is now complete.

2481
01:56:15,350 --> 01:56:18,710
And then change the rules, put it back up,

2482
01:56:18,710 --> 01:56:20,869
and then everything from there on in,

2483
01:56:20,869 --> 01:56:22,829
nobody can say anything about anything.

2484
01:56:22,829 --> 01:56:24,630
Because you did what they wanted you to do.

2485
01:56:24,630 --> 01:56:25,869
Well, we just changed the rules.

2486
01:56:25,869 --> 01:56:28,079
So 50% of the town is gonna be bridge set.

2487
01:56:28,079 --> 01:56:28,920
Oh, it's still gonna be bridge set.

2488
01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:29,760
Right.

2489
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,840
I mean, everyone's, but at least you can curb some of it

2490
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:34,119
because it's been done.

2491
01:56:34,119 --> 01:56:35,420
Oh, and you can help them.

2492
01:56:35,420 --> 01:56:36,260
And it's just a-

2493
01:56:36,260 --> 01:56:37,100
What's up?

2494
01:56:37,100 --> 01:56:38,039
Do I have a hard time?

2495
01:56:38,039 --> 01:56:40,779
Nevertheless, nevertheless, this is gonna give us-

2496
01:56:40,779 --> 01:56:43,859
I'm good, I got my little refill of the-

2497
01:56:43,859 --> 01:56:44,699
Whatever.

2498
01:56:44,699 --> 01:56:45,539
Do you need more?

2499
01:56:45,539 --> 01:56:46,380
In a minute.

2500
01:56:46,380 --> 01:56:49,180
But at least the hard thing is that we didn't follow

2501
01:56:49,180 --> 01:56:50,020
the rules.

2502
01:56:50,020 --> 01:56:50,859
Okay.

2503
01:56:50,859 --> 01:56:52,579
And I don't even care what it was.

2504
01:56:52,579 --> 01:56:54,500
That's not the point anymore to me.

2505
01:56:54,500 --> 01:56:57,399
The point is, I'm gonna keep saying it.

2506
01:56:57,399 --> 01:57:00,100
What's in the best interest of the town?

2507
01:57:00,100 --> 01:57:03,380
If we have to go down that road, we've already gone,

2508
01:57:03,380 --> 01:57:06,720
I'll tell you, Jed, you've seen it, we've been locked.

2509
01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:08,260
Six months now, a year, I don't know.

2510
01:57:08,260 --> 01:57:09,100
It's insane.

2511
01:57:09,100 --> 01:57:11,819
I'm like you, I'm getting a headache over something

2512
01:57:11,819 --> 01:57:14,319
that we shouldn't be a headache.

2513
01:57:14,319 --> 01:57:16,060
Maybe at the end of the meeting, we can go and see

2514
01:57:16,060 --> 01:57:18,199
how many bolts there are and how possible it is to-

2515
01:57:18,199 --> 01:57:22,000
Okay, so we take the sign down and the folks still stand up?

2516
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:23,199
Seven months after this.

2517
01:57:23,199 --> 01:57:25,140
Because they're saying, take the sign down.

2518
01:57:25,140 --> 01:57:26,760
They're not saying, take the uprights down,

2519
01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:27,600
they're taking the sign down.

2520
01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:29,819
I don't think we should bring that can of worms up

2521
01:57:29,819 --> 01:57:31,420
even though it's in a minute.

2522
01:57:31,420 --> 01:57:33,199
Just take the damn sign down.

2523
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:34,579
Lori, turn off the-

2524
01:57:34,579 --> 01:57:38,039
Let them send us a, well, let them send us a letter saying,

2525
01:57:38,260 --> 01:57:40,779
well, do we have a post rule in town?

2526
01:57:40,779 --> 01:57:41,619
I mean, no.

2527
01:57:41,619 --> 01:57:43,199
You don't want a rule in the world?

2528
01:57:43,199 --> 01:57:44,039
No.

2529
01:57:44,039 --> 01:57:44,880
You don't want a ruling thing.

2530
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:45,859
You don't want a free footing.

2531
01:57:45,859 --> 01:57:46,699
You want me to take this-

2532
01:57:46,699 --> 01:57:50,420
If you take the sign down,

2533
01:57:50,420 --> 01:57:52,859
I will put a flag on those remaining posts.

2534
01:57:52,859 --> 01:57:53,699
Right, it's a good point.

2535
01:57:53,699 --> 01:57:55,039
And they will be flagpoles.

2536
01:57:55,039 --> 01:57:56,640
Oh, good idea.

2537
01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:57,479
There you go.

2538
01:57:57,479 --> 01:57:58,319
Good idea.

2539
01:57:58,319 --> 01:57:59,159
Excellent.

2540
01:57:59,159 --> 01:58:00,279
Well, I haven't let them bitch about it.

2541
01:58:00,279 --> 01:58:02,000
But do you need a perfect word?

2542
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:02,840
For what?

2543
01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:04,579
I am not saying word.

2544
01:58:04,579 --> 01:58:06,859
Oh, dang.

2545
01:58:06,859 --> 01:58:07,699
Yes.

2546
01:58:08,260 --> 01:58:10,020
Why don't we just make it a little better?

2547
01:58:10,020 --> 01:58:13,760
Why don't we just make it a little better?

2548
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:15,579
Because that's what this is all about.

2549
01:58:15,579 --> 01:58:16,819
Put the letters on the back.

2550
01:58:16,819 --> 01:58:17,640
There you go.

2551
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:19,039
Do you want to sign the letter S?

2552
01:58:19,039 --> 01:58:19,859
Yes.

2553
01:58:19,859 --> 01:58:21,760
I'm trying to read.

2554
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:22,600
Well.

2555
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:26,159
All right.

2556
01:58:26,159 --> 01:58:27,260
Oh my God.

2557
01:58:27,260 --> 01:58:28,380
So what are we doing?

2558
01:58:28,380 --> 01:58:30,600
If we have to take it down,

2559
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:32,239
everybody agree with that patient number?

2560
01:58:32,239 --> 01:58:33,260
Yes.

2561
01:58:33,260 --> 01:58:35,819
So we make the motion, take the sign down.

2562
01:58:35,819 --> 01:58:36,659
Where are we going to put it?

2563
01:58:36,659 --> 01:58:37,500
Exactly.

2564
01:58:37,500 --> 01:58:38,239
Well, let's-

2565
01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:41,479
Discussion.

2566
01:58:41,479 --> 01:58:43,199
Where are we going first?

2567
01:58:43,199 --> 01:58:46,979
If we take it down, first of all, who takes it down?

2568
01:58:46,979 --> 01:58:50,079
Is there, is there, I'm looking right at them.

2569
01:58:50,079 --> 01:58:50,920
Yeah.

2570
01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:51,920
Yeah.

2571
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:56,560
Is it, is it, I think it's more, it's like multiple panels.

2572
01:58:56,560 --> 01:58:58,220
I don't think it's one big sign.

2573
01:58:58,220 --> 01:58:59,060
I'm not positive.

2574
01:58:59,060 --> 01:58:59,899
I think there's like-

2575
01:58:59,899 --> 01:59:02,560
I think there's like some bolted from the footings.

2576
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:03,399
Oh, can you?

2577
01:59:03,399 --> 01:59:04,239
Can you?

2578
01:59:04,239 --> 01:59:05,739
Yeah, it's got a steel frame.

2579
01:59:05,739 --> 01:59:07,279
Yeah, bolted from the foot.

2580
01:59:07,279 --> 01:59:08,119
Oh, look at that.

2581
01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:09,739
I'll help if we need to.

2582
01:59:09,739 --> 01:59:12,199
Because I think that the increase will be down before it's Easter.

2583
01:59:12,199 --> 01:59:14,140
I think we should just put the board on the back side

2584
01:59:14,140 --> 01:59:16,680
and call it a bench, first of all.

2585
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:17,520
There you go.

2586
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:18,359
There you go.

2587
01:59:18,359 --> 01:59:19,199
I like that.

2588
01:59:19,199 --> 01:59:20,779
I don't know why that should be such a big deal.

2589
01:59:20,779 --> 01:59:23,319
On the back side of the bench that says Stanford to run.

2590
01:59:25,819 --> 01:59:26,920
Well, you can redesign it.

2591
01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:27,760
That's not a good idea.

2592
01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:29,659
Okay, well, I'm going to build a bench sign.

2593
01:59:29,659 --> 01:59:31,079
I tried a way to beat you guys.

2594
01:59:31,079 --> 01:59:31,920
It's okay.

2595
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:32,760
It's okay.

2596
01:59:32,760 --> 01:59:33,600
It's okay.

2597
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:34,439
It's okay.

2598
01:59:34,439 --> 01:59:35,279
It's okay.

2599
01:59:35,279 --> 01:59:36,119
Give us a break here.

2600
01:59:36,119 --> 01:59:36,960
Wait a minute.

2601
01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:37,880
Wait a minute.

2602
01:59:37,880 --> 01:59:40,020
When you build a bench, the sign will be down.

2603
01:59:40,020 --> 01:59:42,260
It's still 35 feet from the center.

2604
01:59:42,260 --> 01:59:45,279
Yeah, so let's just say we got game down, okay?

2605
01:59:45,279 --> 01:59:46,119
And you're right.

2606
01:59:46,119 --> 01:59:46,960
Where do we put it?

2607
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:48,739
Okay, so I don't know where we're going to put it.

2608
01:59:48,739 --> 01:59:51,279
We have already given permission for one sign

2609
01:59:51,279 --> 01:59:54,260
to go into a private home, which I was not very,

2610
01:59:54,260 --> 01:59:56,159
I'm not big into that.

2611
01:59:57,659 --> 01:59:58,859
There's another whole discussion

2612
01:59:58,859 --> 02:00:02,500
about putting town things on private property.

2613
02:00:02,500 --> 02:00:04,319
We're going to have to get in trouble down the road.

2614
02:00:04,319 --> 02:00:05,600
Do we have a storage?

2615
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:07,500
Yeah, where do we put our stuff?

2616
02:00:07,500 --> 02:00:07,960
Well.

2617
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:08,619
We don't.

2618
02:00:08,619 --> 02:00:11,199
We don't even have a storage for our historical stuff right now.

2619
02:00:11,199 --> 02:00:12,460
It's in the closet.

2620
02:00:12,460 --> 02:00:14,000
And the janitor's room.

2621
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:21,300
I can barely get into my little filing tent over there.

2622
02:00:21,300 --> 02:00:24,960
I don't care where we put the .

2623
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:27,840
I mean, yeah, I don't care where we put it.

2624
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:29,079
Let's try not to ruin it.

2625
02:00:29,079 --> 02:00:33,880
Well, you guys, you can't kind of leave it outside.

2626
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:35,500
Okay, you can leave it outside.

2627
02:00:35,500 --> 02:00:37,180
It's outside now?

2628
02:00:37,180 --> 02:00:37,640
Right.

2629
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:37,960
That's true.

2630
02:00:37,960 --> 02:00:39,100
Yeah.

2631
02:00:39,100 --> 02:00:41,659
We could bring it back here and put it on the bench.

2632
02:00:41,659 --> 02:00:46,279
Put it up against the building.

2633
02:00:46,279 --> 02:00:48,250
Still too big.

2634
02:00:48,250 --> 02:00:51,000
I'm sorry.

2635
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:54,689
Did we get the permit for the generator problem?

2636
02:00:54,689 --> 02:00:57,189
Did we get a permit for the generator?

2637
02:00:57,189 --> 02:00:58,149
No.

2638
02:00:58,149 --> 02:00:59,609
Got a permit for that.

2639
02:00:59,609 --> 02:01:00,750
I don't know .

2640
02:01:00,750 --> 02:01:02,949
There's been so many permit violations

2641
02:01:02,949 --> 02:01:05,329
that this was a crazy road to even go down.

2642
02:01:05,329 --> 02:01:07,210
And we need to enforce.

2643
02:01:07,210 --> 02:01:10,130
There's signs out there right now that are on the road we went for.

2644
02:01:10,329 --> 02:01:12,670
That's why you need this permit.

2645
02:01:12,670 --> 02:01:13,989
That's why you need these laws.

2646
02:01:13,989 --> 02:01:15,369
the phone .

2647
02:01:15,369 --> 02:01:17,250
You got a permit.

2648
02:01:17,250 --> 02:01:17,970
Okay, there's a law.

2649
02:01:17,970 --> 02:01:20,109
We can't enforce the law.

2650
02:01:20,109 --> 02:01:20,729
Give me the permit.

2651
02:01:20,729 --> 02:01:21,390
Exactly.

2652
02:01:21,390 --> 02:01:21,890
Exactly.

2653
02:01:21,890 --> 02:01:23,090
That's what we're going to do.

2654
02:01:23,090 --> 02:01:25,970
We're going to change the bylaws and get rid of that law.

2655
02:01:25,970 --> 02:01:28,890
The law that is ignored is oppressive,

2656
02:01:28,890 --> 02:01:31,689
because you've got some people that .

2657
02:01:31,689 --> 02:01:34,590
So we got a little sign out there that says library, right?

2658
02:01:34,590 --> 02:01:35,270
Small sign.

2659
02:01:35,270 --> 02:01:35,770
Yeah.

2660
02:01:35,770 --> 02:01:36,329
It's too close to the road.

2661
02:01:36,329 --> 02:01:36,890
It's too close to the road.

2662
02:01:36,890 --> 02:01:37,649
Oh, it's way too close.

2663
02:01:37,649 --> 02:01:38,510
But it says the library.

2664
02:01:38,510 --> 02:01:39,010
It's okay.

2665
02:01:39,010 --> 02:01:39,470
And we've got another sign over here.

2666
02:01:39,470 --> 02:01:39,670
Okay.

2667
02:01:39,670 --> 02:01:40,170
Okay.

2668
02:01:40,170 --> 02:01:46,329
over here that white thing there that people yeah that's that's never never permitted right yes

2669
02:01:47,449 --> 02:01:55,130
i mean there's a yeah welcome back welcome back students oh that was a permit from the state right

2670
02:01:55,130 --> 02:02:00,329
not from the town oh did it okay what was that one didn't that white telephone box have to have

2671
02:02:00,329 --> 02:02:06,659
permits there's one out there which puts a signboard yeah that's like a telephone

2672
02:02:06,659 --> 02:02:15,699
yeah but nevertheless let's do it right we'll do it the right way get the sign down like i said

2673
02:02:15,699 --> 02:02:20,420
it's an outdoor sign if you have to leave it outside to the outside just hate to have someone

2674
02:02:20,420 --> 02:02:33,420
take it you never know they're going to take it they've stolen farm equipment out of the field

2675
02:02:33,420 --> 02:02:39,260
up here yeah you never know i don't know behind the building somewhere no i'd ask clay if we could

2676
02:02:39,260 --> 02:02:40,220
store it in the box

2677
02:02:40,699 --> 02:02:51,180
we'll figure out the place to put it okay that's the that's the point the point is if we're gonna

2678
02:02:51,180 --> 02:02:56,380
take it down let's move on to the we're gonna take it down all right do you think so i can

2679
02:02:56,380 --> 02:03:02,939
do it i think we made a motion so i'm taking a motion we got a second i'm done with my discussion

2680
02:03:02,939 --> 02:03:09,689
i'll second it motion to warn a bylaw change just wait a minute

2681
02:03:11,689 --> 02:03:16,090
no all in favor take the sign down

2682
02:03:16,090 --> 02:03:23,050
five no five five four four you're after all that discussion you're saying no don't take the

2683
02:03:23,050 --> 02:03:32,010
sign down right i'm up for election next year he's in the best interest of him yeah okay okay

2684
02:03:32,010 --> 02:03:39,770
uh who's gonna take the sign down and where's it going i lost clay to be investigated on our

2685
02:03:39,770 --> 02:03:43,529
board with the next meeting okay

2686
02:03:45,529 --> 02:03:50,550
is it staying up now we don't we have to look at it to see so we said we gotta take it down who's

2687
02:03:50,550 --> 02:03:55,539
staying down we were waiting well first let's have to see how big of a deal we're going to

2688
02:03:55,539 --> 02:03:58,659
we're going to investigate how we're going to have a field and figure it out

2689
02:04:01,060 --> 02:04:05,699
you just said you're going to help me i didn't say i wasn't going to help i just said i don't

2690
02:04:05,699 --> 02:04:11,300
want to i'm saying no i don't believe we should be okay that's not that's there's something wrong

2691
02:04:11,300 --> 02:04:15,939
with that i didn't have a discussion saying what we should do and i just don't vote against it okay

2692
02:04:16,260 --> 02:04:23,779
you you just said something about the bylaws or changes or something that's a warning you should

2693
02:04:23,779 --> 02:04:35,430
make a motion now and one that you intend to change the bylaw regarding signage on municipal

2694
02:04:35,430 --> 02:04:40,710
property i'm not comfortable making that motion i want to go back to the planning commission and

2695
02:04:40,710 --> 02:04:46,710
ask them if they would work on changing the bylaws to change that we have i don't want other things

2696
02:04:46,869 --> 02:04:55,260
to change too yeah so it'd be great if we could have you have one more bylaws passed like three

2697
02:04:55,260 --> 02:05:00,939
2020 2020 or turn it over that's the last thing keep in mind unless it's a quick event that keep

2698
02:05:00,939 --> 02:05:05,020
in mind that that could be five years down the road before the planning board makes a decision

2699
02:05:06,460 --> 02:05:11,340
especially if we add more things to it if they're easy we have to imagine four months or five months

2700
02:05:12,390 --> 02:05:17,430
if they're easy simple things you can so are you willing to not have a sign the plan board has not

2701
02:05:17,829 --> 02:05:25,210
five months i've had a meeting are you sure it's been five months no no no i don't think there was

2702
02:05:25,210 --> 02:05:34,439
one yeah okay a different motion so they don't request the planning board make an amendment

2703
02:05:35,079 --> 02:05:39,319
we don't need to change all the bylaws at this time we can just throw an amendment in right

2704
02:05:40,199 --> 02:05:48,550
request directly with the bio that the planning board change or amend the signage bylaw

2705
02:05:49,140 --> 02:05:50,260
the section of the sign

2706
02:05:50,579 --> 02:05:54,739
to say no i have a tough time with this i thought we were in charge we are

2707
02:05:59,859 --> 02:06:04,899
whether we can change it ourselves or we need to have a public hearing to do that but we need to

2708
02:06:04,899 --> 02:06:08,819
have a public hearing to do that we should do that right we don't i mean we're risking all

2709
02:06:08,819 --> 02:06:12,899
kinds of no votes i mean if we send it back to the plan to work we can do that if you want but they

2710
02:06:12,899 --> 02:06:19,699
can say no then what so you think the select board should overrule the process of zoning bylaws

2711
02:06:21,460 --> 02:06:26,979
the select board approves all the bylaws we're not overruling it they've they made a decision

2712
02:06:26,979 --> 02:06:33,619
based on today's bylaws and that's fine we're not saying that we're overruling what we're saying is

2713
02:06:33,619 --> 02:06:40,739
in the future because of this incident in the future municipalities should be exempt from these

2714
02:06:40,739 --> 02:06:44,899
bylaws i mean those you don't know okay but he has the set of the fewanting the bylaws anyway

2715
02:06:44,899 --> 02:06:49,699
we should be able to add an amendment it says we should we should be exempt from where our signs go

2716
02:06:50,579 --> 02:06:53,000
or how large our signs are, whether or not we...

2717
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:55,340
Look, there's a paragraph that talks about signs.

2718
02:06:55,340 --> 02:06:58,340
And it talks about the size of the sign.

2719
02:06:58,340 --> 02:07:00,300
And you add a sentence onto the bottom

2720
02:07:00,300 --> 02:07:02,760
that says municipal signage exempt.

2721
02:07:02,760 --> 02:07:05,159
We might wanna look into, there's other things.

2722
02:07:05,159 --> 02:07:09,760
I mean, blacktop driveway, do you need a permit

2723
02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:11,819
to put a blacktop driveway in, you know?

2724
02:07:11,819 --> 02:07:14,840
I'm not saying, now we're just repairing it,

2725
02:07:14,840 --> 02:07:18,060
but what if we want to put blacktop up by the solid shed?

2726
02:07:18,060 --> 02:07:19,300
Do we need a permit for that?

2727
02:07:19,300 --> 02:07:20,180
I don't know.

2728
02:07:20,180 --> 02:07:23,140
I'm just saying, if everybody else needs a permit,

2729
02:07:23,140 --> 02:07:24,359
now we have to get a permit.

2730
02:07:24,359 --> 02:07:25,939
But hypothetically, we did end up

2731
02:07:25,939 --> 02:07:27,319
with a community center someday.

2732
02:07:27,319 --> 02:07:29,140
Say we bought the Catholic church or something,

2733
02:07:29,140 --> 02:07:30,460
that could be a community center,

2734
02:07:30,460 --> 02:07:31,640
and we wanna do things there.

2735
02:07:31,640 --> 02:07:34,140
We need to go for a permit or anything like that.

2736
02:07:34,140 --> 02:07:39,140
We should be able to vote as a board on all those issues.

2737
02:07:40,260 --> 02:07:45,039
And then the people, this is different than a private entity.

2738
02:07:45,039 --> 02:07:46,560
If the people don't like what we're doing,

2739
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:48,180
they can vote us out.

2740
02:07:48,180 --> 02:07:49,699
We should be able to, as a board, say,

2741
02:07:49,699 --> 02:07:53,850
look, if we wanna buy the church,

2742
02:07:53,850 --> 02:07:55,470
we vote on it, we buy the church.

2743
02:07:55,470 --> 02:07:56,909
And we wanna put a sign up that says

2744
02:07:56,909 --> 02:07:59,470
senior center or community center.

2745
02:07:59,470 --> 02:08:01,750
Signs should be able to be whatever we want.

2746
02:08:01,750 --> 02:08:03,229
Now, if people say, we don't like the way

2747
02:08:03,229 --> 02:08:05,189
you guys are running this, we're voting out,

2748
02:08:05,189 --> 02:08:07,050
that's their say.

2749
02:08:08,840 --> 02:08:11,600
When you're a private resident, you don't get that.

2750
02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:15,260
So in a municipality, it should be up to this board.

2751
02:08:15,260 --> 02:08:17,779
And I'm not trying to influence anybody by voting either.

2752
02:08:17,779 --> 02:08:19,000
If you guys don't believe that,

2753
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:20,859
you can vote whatever way you want.

2754
02:08:20,979 --> 02:08:22,640
But when we make a motion and say,

2755
02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:25,899
okay, let's amend something,

2756
02:08:25,899 --> 02:08:27,739
I don't think we need to go back to the planning board.

2757
02:08:27,739 --> 02:08:28,579
And I think, I agree with you.

2758
02:08:28,579 --> 02:08:30,399
If we go back to the planning board,

2759
02:08:30,399 --> 02:08:32,699
and they're just gonna think we're going after them.

2760
02:08:32,699 --> 02:08:33,539
We're not going after them.

2761
02:08:33,539 --> 02:08:35,699
No, no, I disagree with that.

2762
02:08:35,699 --> 02:08:37,399
Well, I don't know how quick an amendment is.

2763
02:08:37,399 --> 02:08:40,500
How do we change the bylaws

2764
02:08:40,500 --> 02:08:42,720
so we can put the sign back up without

2765
02:08:42,720 --> 02:08:44,560
What would be a normal procedure?

2766
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:48,060
It would just, this idea would go to the planning board,

2767
02:08:48,060 --> 02:08:50,579
and then they come to us, is that the normal procedure?

2768
02:08:50,579 --> 02:08:51,300
We ask for recommendations. We ask for recommendations.

2769
02:08:51,300 --> 02:08:55,279
Recommendations on bylaws for the planning board.

2770
02:08:55,279 --> 02:08:58,539
When they rewrote the bylaws,

2771
02:08:58,539 --> 02:09:01,819
they recommend, they spent two years doing it.

2772
02:09:01,819 --> 02:09:04,840
With VLTC, Jim, whatever that's his name.

2773
02:09:04,840 --> 02:09:06,399
Actually, VCRC.

2774
02:09:06,399 --> 02:09:07,239
What was his name?

2775
02:09:07,239 --> 02:09:08,079
I'm sorry.

2776
02:09:08,079 --> 02:09:08,920
Jim Sullivan. Jim Sullivan.

2777
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:09,760
Jim Sullivan.

2778
02:09:09,760 --> 02:09:12,140
And they spent a long time on these bylaws.

2779
02:09:12,140 --> 02:09:15,140
And it, most of it's good, but some of it is bad.

2780
02:09:15,140 --> 02:09:16,520
Yes, well, are we banning them now?

2781
02:09:16,520 --> 02:09:18,140
From there it goes to a public hearing.

2782
02:09:18,140 --> 02:09:18,979
Are we legally adding them now?

2783
02:09:18,979 --> 02:09:20,779
From there it goes to a public hearing

2784
02:09:21,300 --> 02:09:23,340
on the bylaws that the planning board creates.

2785
02:09:23,340 --> 02:09:27,420
Goes to a public hearing, and then you go over all the bylaws,

2786
02:09:27,420 --> 02:09:30,380
and then it goes to the select board to vote it,

2787
02:09:30,380 --> 02:09:31,539
or basically veto it.

2788
02:09:31,539 --> 02:09:34,319
And then we have to have a public hearing too.

2789
02:09:34,319 --> 02:09:37,220
And we did vote it with the recommendations

2790
02:09:37,220 --> 02:09:38,939
of the planning board.

2791
02:09:38,939 --> 02:09:40,119
I'm gonna tell you, to be honest with you,

2792
02:09:40,119 --> 02:09:42,760
we voted it because the planning board said this is,

2793
02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:44,500
we spent two years doing it.

2794
02:09:44,500 --> 02:09:46,380
Kind of like Dave just said, sign the papers,

2795
02:09:46,380 --> 02:09:47,220
and we signed them.

2796
02:09:47,220 --> 02:09:49,739
Did we, we just signed papers that Dave told us to sign.

2797
02:09:49,739 --> 02:09:51,140
Did we really read them?

2798
02:09:51,300 --> 02:09:53,439
We put our trust in Dave.

2799
02:09:53,439 --> 02:09:56,420
What I think we need to do is get ahold of Vermont League

2800
02:09:56,420 --> 02:09:58,680
of Cities and Towns again, right,

2801
02:09:58,680 --> 02:10:02,479
and ask them what the process is as far as changing.

2802
02:10:02,479 --> 02:10:03,739
To amend the bylaws.

2803
02:10:03,739 --> 02:10:06,579
Do we need to go back to the planning board,

2804
02:10:06,579 --> 02:10:09,220
or can the select board do it, A,

2805
02:10:09,220 --> 02:10:12,680
and B, does it consist of having a public hearing?

2806
02:10:12,680 --> 02:10:13,699
We wanna follow all those.

2807
02:10:13,699 --> 02:10:15,600
Yeah, you guys can amend the bylaws.

2808
02:10:15,600 --> 02:10:17,500
How do we amend the bylaws?

2809
02:10:17,500 --> 02:10:18,340
How do we amend the bylaws?

2810
02:10:18,340 --> 02:10:20,840
Is there something the select board can do on their own?

2811
02:10:20,840 --> 02:10:23,859
I mean, couldn't we just ask the planning board,

2812
02:10:23,859 --> 02:10:26,000
this is what we're dealing with,

2813
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:27,739
and we'd like you to do that,

2814
02:10:27,739 --> 02:10:30,079
and then they can go over it, and give it back.

2815
02:10:30,079 --> 02:10:33,659
All I'm saying is I wanna follow the procedure all the way.

2816
02:10:33,659 --> 02:10:35,079
I don't wanna take any shortcuts.

2817
02:10:35,079 --> 02:10:35,920
Right, excuse me.

2818
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:36,760
Right here or what?

2819
02:10:36,760 --> 02:10:37,600
Exactly.

2820
02:10:37,600 --> 02:10:38,439
We're gonna have to be right back to the circle board,

2821
02:10:38,439 --> 02:10:39,279
right back over here.

2822
02:10:39,279 --> 02:10:42,140
Any negative writing, no, I guess, no.

2823
02:10:43,500 --> 02:10:44,340
And then we can move.

2824
02:10:44,340 --> 02:10:45,520
In the meantime, we'll think about

2825
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:48,119
how we're gonna take the signing off.

2826
02:10:48,119 --> 02:10:50,720
Dave's gonna say, I'm the coach, and I'm the sole judge.

2827
02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:51,579
I'll let you know when I get it.

2828
02:10:51,579 --> 02:10:54,609
I got broke, and I had a problem with my mom.

2829
02:10:54,609 --> 02:10:58,199
I'll let you know that this round's a little soft

2830
02:10:58,199 --> 02:11:00,939
to change damage in the front yard.

2831
02:11:00,939 --> 02:11:02,159
Yeah, that is true.

2832
02:11:02,159 --> 02:11:04,579
I'll be aware, too, that once the sign comes down,

2833
02:11:04,579 --> 02:11:06,399
there may be people that are not aware of this issue

2834
02:11:06,399 --> 02:11:07,760
that have no idea.

2835
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:09,539
It's hard to believe that maybe some people in town

2836
02:11:09,539 --> 02:11:11,260
that have no idea this is going on right now,

2837
02:11:11,260 --> 02:11:14,340
when they graduate the school and not see the sign anymore,

2838
02:11:14,340 --> 02:11:17,130
they're gonna say, what happened to the sign?

2839
02:11:17,130 --> 02:11:17,970
Right over here.

2840
02:11:17,970 --> 02:11:18,789
Cellular.

2841
02:11:18,789 --> 02:11:19,630
You guys have the last session.

2842
02:11:19,630 --> 02:11:21,189
Lord, just tell them they, somebody stole it.

2843
02:11:21,189 --> 02:11:22,510
The last session we streamed, we are getting it.

2844
02:11:22,510 --> 02:11:22,850
Somebody stole it.

2845
02:11:22,850 --> 02:11:23,689
Yeah.

2846
02:11:23,689 --> 02:11:24,510
Somebody stole it.

2847
02:11:24,510 --> 02:11:25,350
It was little Sheila Peek.

2848
02:11:25,350 --> 02:11:26,189
She was an adult.

2849
02:11:26,189 --> 02:11:27,029
Yeah, she was an adult.

2850
02:11:27,029 --> 02:11:27,850
Yeah, she was an adult.

2851
02:11:27,850 --> 02:11:28,689
It was an adult.

2852
02:11:28,689 --> 02:11:29,529
Did you see that?

2853
02:11:29,529 --> 02:11:33,439
It's her middle, you just beat her to the dwindle pitch.

2854
02:11:33,439 --> 02:11:34,279
I will get in touch.

2855
02:11:34,279 --> 02:11:36,319
I would love to add all the hours

2856
02:11:36,319 --> 02:11:38,000
that we spent about this sign

2857
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:40,659
to that lady in the top five issues

2858
02:11:40,659 --> 02:11:41,560
we've ever talked about.

2859
02:11:41,560 --> 02:11:43,960
I think ATV's heavy beef right now.

2860
02:11:43,960 --> 02:11:44,899
Yeah, but.

2861
02:11:44,899 --> 02:11:45,859
The chicken's crossing the line.

2862
02:11:45,859 --> 02:11:47,199
We won't get in there, ATV.

2863
02:11:47,199 --> 02:11:49,359
But it wins on the dumbest thing.

2864
02:11:49,359 --> 02:11:50,199
Okay.

2865
02:11:50,199 --> 02:11:51,039
This one.

2866
02:11:51,039 --> 02:11:53,239
The sign said, I will contact the LCT

2867
02:11:53,239 --> 02:11:56,239
how to amend the zoning bylaws.

2868
02:11:56,239 --> 02:11:57,079
I'm fine, though.

2869
02:11:57,079 --> 02:11:57,920
This is tough.

2870
02:11:57,920 --> 02:11:58,739
I do it.

2871
02:11:58,739 --> 02:12:08,140
Send in writing.

2872
02:12:08,140 --> 02:12:11,569
Next item, FEMA buyout program.

2873
02:12:11,569 --> 02:12:15,010
Okay, I gave you guys a new packet.

2874
02:12:17,329 --> 02:12:21,569
February 26th, I got some information sent to me

2875
02:12:21,569 --> 02:12:25,310
from the Vermont Emergency Management Fellow,

2876
02:12:26,270 --> 02:12:32,420
Brian McWalters, that he has a few remaining items

2877
02:12:32,899 --> 02:12:35,340
of town signatures needed on the statement

2878
02:12:35,340 --> 02:12:41,029
of voluntary participation, the Model D restriction,

2879
02:12:41,029 --> 02:12:43,869
copy of the Lister's card,

2880
02:12:43,869 --> 02:12:46,909
and I think Deb's gonna take the photos now,

2881
02:12:46,909 --> 02:12:49,149
because he said in the beginning that Deb was.

2882
02:12:49,149 --> 02:12:54,079
Oh, yes, I'm taking, yeah, I forgot about that.

2883
02:12:54,079 --> 02:12:59,079
So, attached is what Brian had sent us,

2884
02:12:59,579 --> 02:13:03,720
and I didn't sign anything because I wanted the new board

2885
02:13:03,720 --> 02:13:04,560
to look this up.

2886
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:07,659
It was over, it was a Model D restriction,

2887
02:13:07,659 --> 02:13:11,239
and he also did send a copy of what Deb

2888
02:13:11,239 --> 02:13:16,119
and her husband signed on the Model D restriction.

2889
02:13:16,119 --> 02:13:19,619
There is a lot of reading to do in there,

2890
02:13:19,619 --> 02:13:24,159
and attached is the property acquisition and relocation

2891
02:13:24,159 --> 02:13:28,859
for open space that is mentioned in the documents

2892
02:13:28,859 --> 02:13:30,520
that we should read.

2893
02:13:30,520 --> 02:13:35,630
So, my thought is read it and figure out what we're doing

2894
02:13:35,630 --> 02:13:37,359
in that next meeting.

2895
02:13:37,359 --> 02:13:38,960
There's a lot of reading there.

2896
02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:43,760
I would also recommend doing a lot of the research yourselves

2897
02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:50,529
on this and educate on all the intricacies of this program.

2898
02:13:50,529 --> 02:13:55,229
It's not as cut and dry as you might suspect.

2899
02:13:55,229 --> 02:13:58,250
So, there's an algorithm that goes

2900
02:13:58,250 --> 02:14:03,489
into even having a property qualify for this program,

2901
02:14:03,489 --> 02:14:06,149
which many properties,

2902
02:14:06,149 --> 02:14:07,130
Right.

2903
02:14:07,130 --> 02:14:08,729
which are in the river corridor,

2904
02:14:08,729 --> 02:14:11,510
probably would never qualify for.

2905
02:14:11,510 --> 02:14:15,510
So, I would highly recommend doing a lot of the research

2906
02:14:15,510 --> 02:14:22,399
because the original, what a lot of people,

2907
02:14:22,399 --> 02:14:25,859
and this is something I wanted to speak in town meeting,

2908
02:14:25,859 --> 02:14:33,159
but what came to light at town meeting is not necessarily

2909
02:14:33,159 --> 02:14:35,399
what this program is all about.

2910
02:14:35,399 --> 02:14:40,880
I read and I don't know where I read it,

2911
02:14:40,880 --> 02:14:42,100
but since Hurricane Irene is,

2912
02:14:42,100 --> 02:14:46,199
there's been 176 properties taken.

2913
02:14:46,199 --> 02:14:48,380
I thought it was 117, yeah.

2914
02:14:48,380 --> 02:14:49,600
117, yeah.

2915
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:53,779
And that's in the whole state, and that's 12 years?

2916
02:14:53,779 --> 02:14:59,760
And it's not FEMA that approaches the homeowners either

2917
02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:01,420
or the property owners.

2918
02:15:01,420 --> 02:15:07,100
This is a long, long process that even they can back

2919
02:15:07,100 --> 02:15:10,140
out at the last minute.

2920
02:15:10,140 --> 02:15:12,380
It requires a lot of documentation

2921
02:15:12,380 --> 02:15:14,039
of events.

2922
02:15:14,039 --> 02:15:16,779
I would just say, I would just say keep in mind

2923
02:15:16,779 --> 02:15:20,119
that there, just imagine that there's never a situation

2924
02:15:20,119 --> 02:15:22,760
in town where this might apply.

2925
02:15:22,760 --> 02:15:26,000
What do you think there is or isn't, right?

2926
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:29,600
Then, just like we said before, if you say yes to one,

2927
02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:31,439
you have to say yes to all.

2928
02:15:31,439 --> 02:15:33,539
Well, the opposite is true, right?

2929
02:15:33,539 --> 02:15:38,180
If you say no to one, you should probably say no to all.

2930
02:15:38,180 --> 02:15:42,430
So, there is, upon hours and hours of research,

2931
02:15:42,430 --> 02:15:42,670
I'm like .

2932
02:15:42,670 --> 02:15:46,600
This is basically my own opinion.

2933
02:15:46,600 --> 02:15:49,680
I found, in the 100-year floodplain,

2934
02:15:49,680 --> 02:15:51,180
there's basically four structures

2935
02:15:51,180 --> 02:15:53,880
in town within the floodplain.

2936
02:15:53,880 --> 02:15:57,439
The river corridor has a lot of houses in it.

2937
02:15:57,439 --> 02:16:01,300
Not all these houses would qualify.

2938
02:16:01,300 --> 02:16:06,960
From my opinion, there's maybe five other structures

2939
02:16:06,960 --> 02:16:11,979
that could be under some level of consideration from FEMA,

2940
02:16:11,979 --> 02:16:13,640
whether they would agree on those houses

2941
02:16:13,640 --> 02:16:14,640
or not.

2942
02:16:14,640 --> 02:16:17,720
So, that basically puts this town at about nine structures,

2943
02:16:17,720 --> 02:16:20,800
in my opinion, that I think would be probably

2944
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:22,880
in the conversation for this program.

2945
02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:24,720
One of those structures being the town garage,

2946
02:16:24,720 --> 02:16:27,560
so that's not a private property.

2947
02:16:27,560 --> 02:16:30,220
Another one of those structures being a house that caught

2948
02:16:30,220 --> 02:16:32,120
on fire and is probably going to be abandoned,

2949
02:16:32,120 --> 02:16:35,920
and the town's going to have to do something with ultimately,

2950
02:16:35,920 --> 02:16:39,120
or it's just going to sit there as an abandoned property.

2951
02:16:39,120 --> 02:16:41,879
So, that leaves about seven other structures,

2952
02:16:41,879 --> 02:16:43,879
four of which are probably no-brainers.

2953
02:16:43,879 --> 02:16:45,639
Out of that, that are in the floodplain,

2954
02:16:45,639 --> 02:16:50,079
out of that four, there's, I'm not going to say any specific

2955
02:16:50,079 --> 02:16:52,040
properties, people can do their own research,

2956
02:16:52,040 --> 02:16:55,209
but out of the four in the floodplain,

2957
02:16:55,209 --> 02:16:57,809
just from knowing the families, I guarantee three of them voted

2958
02:16:57,809 --> 02:16:59,819
against this program.

2959
02:16:59,819 --> 02:17:03,850
All right, so out of the other houses,

2960
02:17:03,850 --> 02:17:06,049
there's one that's less than 20 years old,

2961
02:17:06,049 --> 02:17:08,649
so I doubt they're going to want to participate.

2962
02:17:08,649 --> 02:17:11,090
There's one that just had major remodeling done to it,

2963
02:17:11,090 --> 02:17:14,170
so I doubt they're going to want to participate.

2964
02:17:14,170 --> 02:17:16,510
So, town-wide, we're really,

2965
02:17:16,510 --> 02:17:18,950
looking at the reality of it, and this isn't something

2966
02:17:18,950 --> 02:17:20,750
that's just going to happen overnight.

2967
02:17:20,750 --> 02:17:23,549
Like, holy cow, 15 houses just went off the tax rolls,

2968
02:17:23,549 --> 02:17:26,590
and all this is put on the verge of the taxpayers.

2969
02:17:26,590 --> 02:17:27,590
This is something that's going to progress

2970
02:17:27,590 --> 02:17:29,840
over years and years of time.

2971
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:36,139
So, for my opinion, once again, there's maybe two or three,

2972
02:17:36,139 --> 02:17:39,940
three residents max that would even be able to participate

2973
02:17:39,940 --> 02:17:41,840
in this program or willing to participate.

2974
02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:44,620
It's a voluntary program, so you don't have

2975
02:17:44,620 --> 02:17:46,959
to give your house up by any means.

2976
02:17:46,959 --> 02:17:51,040
And in a sense, we already voted for this in a binding way

2977
02:17:51,040 --> 02:17:54,440
when we wrote the flood hazard regulations.

2978
02:17:54,440 --> 02:17:56,500
It states right in the purpose that we are going

2979
02:17:56,500 --> 02:17:58,780
to allow our residents to be, you know,

2980
02:17:58,780 --> 02:18:01,670
have available to them federal relief.

2981
02:18:01,670 --> 02:18:02,969
This is federal relief.

2982
02:18:02,969 --> 02:18:05,340
We're already paying taxes on this.

2983
02:18:05,340 --> 02:18:07,559
It's part of your federal taxes.

2984
02:18:07,559 --> 02:18:08,860
It goes to P&O.

2985
02:18:08,860 --> 02:18:12,120
They generate programs like this for flood relief.

2986
02:18:12,120 --> 02:18:16,020
I'm just saying we need, it's a very deep subject,

2987
02:18:16,020 --> 02:18:17,559
deeper than some people just can't understand.

2988
02:18:17,559 --> 02:18:21,299
I mean, there's way too much information out there

2989
02:18:21,299 --> 02:18:24,860
to absorb to just put it to a vote on the floor

2990
02:18:24,860 --> 02:18:27,760
where people don't really have all the information

2991
02:18:27,760 --> 02:18:29,870
about this program, you know?

2992
02:18:29,870 --> 02:18:33,170
And through climate resiliency, we really need to start thinking

2993
02:18:33,170 --> 02:18:36,149
about these things in a certain way, you know?

2994
02:18:36,149 --> 02:18:39,149
I, you know, I think the fact that, you know,

2995
02:18:39,149 --> 02:18:41,649
it may increase people's taxes some too.

2996
02:18:41,649 --> 02:18:44,889
But we're talking, the situation, in my opinion,

2997
02:18:44,889 --> 02:18:47,790
has kind of really been blown way, way out of proportion.

2998
02:18:47,790 --> 02:18:51,329
Like, even if, say, 10 houses went to this program.

2999
02:18:51,329 --> 02:18:55,569
I mean, what are we looking at on someone's individual tax payment

3000
02:18:55,569 --> 02:18:59,430
if, hypothetically, 10 houses were to jump into this program?

3001
02:18:59,430 --> 02:19:04,360
60, 70 bucks, something like that?

3002
02:19:04,360 --> 02:19:06,600
I just want to put everything in perspective, you know?

3003
02:19:06,600 --> 02:19:09,100
It's kind of been, like, blown right up,

3004
02:19:09,100 --> 02:19:11,860
and there's not a lot of information out there.

3005
02:19:11,860 --> 02:19:16,200
And, you know, with a town that does have certain houses sitting

3006
02:19:16,200 --> 02:19:18,879
on the brink of disaster, you know,

3007
02:19:18,879 --> 02:19:20,940
I just think it's something that we should really,

3008
02:19:20,940 --> 02:19:24,049
really consider and not, like, rush into a vote on it.

3009
02:19:24,049 --> 02:19:27,010
It's just, I mean, I know we're already kicked it forward.

3010
02:19:27,010 --> 02:19:29,750
It's a tough decision, and I'll be the person to say it's a crappy,

3011
02:19:29,750 --> 02:19:32,889
it's a crappy situation that's just been put on, you know,

3012
02:19:32,889 --> 02:19:34,930
small town boards like this that don't have a lot

3013
02:19:34,930 --> 02:19:36,389
of knowledge on these situations.

3014
02:19:36,389 --> 02:19:43,350
Where do you think, when you, you did your assessment,

3015
02:19:43,350 --> 02:19:44,889
like you said, it's an opinion, you know?

3016
02:19:44,889 --> 02:19:46,190
Yeah.

3017
02:19:46,190 --> 02:19:47,489
You're not a female by any means.

3018
02:19:47,489 --> 02:19:48,790
No, it's an opinion.

3019
02:19:48,790 --> 02:19:50,829
Where did, what do you think, and I know that,

3020
02:19:50,829 --> 02:19:54,209
I've argued in the past with people,

3021
02:19:54,209 --> 02:19:56,069
this number 40 came from.

3022
02:19:56,069 --> 02:19:57,270
Yep.

3023
02:19:57,270 --> 02:19:58,469
Where did it, why did that come off?

3024
02:19:58,469 --> 02:20:01,309
So that came from the original study on a map,

3025
02:20:01,309 --> 02:20:03,170
a map that was drawn out when we,

3026
02:20:03,170 --> 02:20:04,610
whenever we did the flood,

3027
02:20:04,610 --> 02:20:09,489
originally did the flood hazard, I would say it could be 2010,

3028
02:20:09,489 --> 02:20:10,889
something like that.

3029
02:20:10,889 --> 02:20:12,889
Well, all the possibilities of all.

3030
02:20:12,889 --> 02:20:14,090
It's on one of the.

3031
02:20:14,090 --> 02:20:16,989
Well, it's FEMA, FEMA creates the map.

3032
02:20:16,989 --> 02:20:18,290
Right.

3033
02:20:18,290 --> 02:20:19,590
And they decide, you know, what.

3034
02:20:19,590 --> 02:20:20,829
But you disagree

3035
02:20:20,829 --> 02:20:23,430
with most are even possibilities now?

3036
02:20:23,430 --> 02:20:28,409
I don't think, I still would like to get some more concrete,

3037
02:20:28,409 --> 02:20:31,909
definite answer that they're only looking into the floodway.

3038
02:20:31,909 --> 02:20:34,350
Now, I think when we had our last Zoom meeting,

3039
02:20:34,350 --> 02:20:37,049
she basically said they're only considering houses

3040
02:20:37,049 --> 02:20:38,909
in the 100-year floodway.

3041
02:20:38,909 --> 02:20:41,889
That would basically be four structures.

3042
02:20:41,889 --> 02:20:45,829
When you look at Vermont A&R right now, the map is up to date.

3043
02:20:45,829 --> 02:20:48,270
It's about three or four years behind.

3044
02:20:48,270 --> 02:20:50,569
So the river meanders, changes courses over time.

3045
02:20:50,569 --> 02:20:53,469
So, I mean, you can argue the amount of houses that might be

3046
02:20:53,469 --> 02:20:57,299
in that 100-year flood, flood area.

3047
02:20:57,299 --> 02:21:01,000
All the rest of the houses are either in the wetlands,

3048
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:05,139
what we used to call wetlands, they now call flood hazard areas.

3049
02:21:05,139 --> 02:21:10,239
When a river changes, can it possibly, can this possibly,

3050
02:21:10,239 --> 02:21:15,500
down the road 20 years from now, can that add houses to it?

3051
02:21:15,500 --> 02:21:17,000
It could, it could.

3052
02:21:17,000 --> 02:21:20,239
You know what I mean, it could or could not, either way, okay?

3053
02:21:20,239 --> 02:21:21,290
The number 40.

3054
02:21:21,290 --> 02:21:22,489
Yeah.

3055
02:21:22,489 --> 02:21:25,930
The number 40 came up because other people mentioned it.

3056
02:21:25,930 --> 02:21:27,670
I didn't bring that number up.

3057
02:21:27,670 --> 02:21:29,690
It's in the, the number's in the .

3058
02:21:29,690 --> 02:21:35,170
When I, when I see that number 40, instead of saying $60 now,

3059
02:21:35,170 --> 02:21:39,069
I see 200 or something added to your tax.

3060
02:21:39,069 --> 02:21:42,399
And throughout the years, that goes up, okay?

3061
02:21:42,399 --> 02:21:45,280
And I'm not saying people don't have issues.

3062
02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:47,370
I believe there's issues.

3063
02:21:47,370 --> 02:21:52,409
I want, and I do agree with the vote the other night, 99%

3064
02:21:52,809 --> 02:21:55,409
of the voters on it didn't, don't understand it,

3065
02:21:55,409 --> 02:21:57,549
because we're still aware of it.

3066
02:21:57,549 --> 02:22:00,120
We've been talking about it all the time.

3067
02:22:00,120 --> 02:22:05,159
The other thing I did see just come up recently is there's other programs

3068
02:22:05,159 --> 02:22:09,290
that are available now to save the homes.

3069
02:22:09,290 --> 02:22:14,750
And I'm not saying that all of them are eligible for that,

3070
02:22:14,750 --> 02:22:19,479
but I'd rather see that than that demolition, you know?

3071
02:22:19,479 --> 02:22:22,280
But they were talking about, you know, ashes.

3072
02:22:22,280 --> 02:22:23,120
Elevations.

3073
02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:23,920
Elevations.

3074
02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:24,920
Elevations.

3075
02:22:24,920 --> 02:22:26,059
Elevations of the river.

3076
02:22:26,059 --> 02:22:29,319
So where Stanford suffers from the elevation problem, right?

3077
02:22:29,319 --> 02:22:31,260
When you elevate a house, you're basically building

3078
02:22:31,260 --> 02:22:33,239
in a wetland area, right?

3079
02:22:33,239 --> 02:22:35,719
It's hard to elevate along a river corridor.

3080
02:22:35,719 --> 02:22:39,459
River corridors consist more of what we call fluvial erosion.

3081
02:22:39,459 --> 02:22:41,760
That's erosion that keeps kicking into the bank.

3082
02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:44,620
So why don't they offer it in these homes

3083
02:22:44,620 --> 02:22:46,459
that are in these situations?

3084
02:22:46,459 --> 02:22:48,000
It makes sense, it makes sense

3085
02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:50,559
for flood hazard areas, what used to be wetlands.

3086
02:22:50,559 --> 02:22:53,059
And there's certain houses around town that did this.

3087
02:22:53,059 --> 02:22:54,459
They elevated up without.

3088
02:22:54,459 --> 02:22:55,239
Right.

3089
02:22:55,239 --> 02:22:56,379
But the river's not going right through it, right?

3090
02:22:56,379 --> 02:22:57,299
But the river's not there.

3091
02:22:57,299 --> 02:23:00,180
It's more of a flood plain area that floods out here.

3092
02:23:00,180 --> 02:23:01,479
And out of the field up here.

3093
02:23:01,479 --> 02:23:03,920
Where as opposed to you're right on the river bank,

3094
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:06,219
then you're dealing with fluvial erosion.

3095
02:23:06,219 --> 02:23:08,719
So basically the erosion of the bank over time.

3096
02:23:08,719 --> 02:23:13,219
We've already talked about actually fixing the river.

3097
02:23:13,219 --> 02:23:19,600
That's basically lost language and the art of, you know,

3098
02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:21,500
that was mitigation.

3099
02:23:21,500 --> 02:23:24,850
They're really trying to, I mean, this is just a push from the state.

3100
02:23:24,850 --> 02:23:28,149
They're really trying to renaturalize these areas rather

3101
02:23:28,149 --> 02:23:30,829
than have any kind of manmade structures or anything

3102
02:23:30,829 --> 02:23:32,729
like that within, within.

3103
02:23:32,729 --> 02:23:34,489
Except for heavily dense.

3104
02:23:34,489 --> 02:23:35,329
They want .

3105
02:23:35,329 --> 02:23:38,569
But they wouldn't just go over and say, look it,

3106
02:23:38,569 --> 02:23:41,129
20 years ago the river was over here.

3107
02:23:41,129 --> 02:23:44,370
And now we've had a, you know, a hurricane, the river.

3108
02:23:44,370 --> 02:23:48,110
They won't just go over and bring it over here, back over here.

3109
02:23:48,110 --> 02:23:49,010
There's so many big.

3110
02:23:49,010 --> 02:23:50,709
Yeah, the crest of the .

3111
02:23:50,709 --> 02:23:54,850
Yeah, and also one thing that I found out, I'm,

3112
02:23:54,850 --> 02:24:00,360
I've done hundreds of hours of research and I'm not, trust me,

3113
02:24:00,360 --> 02:24:01,760
I'm not trying to influence.

3114
02:24:01,760 --> 02:24:06,760
I'm just trying to tell you what I have learned in our situation.

3115
02:24:06,760 --> 02:24:12,719
If we were to now shore up the way the river is, has,

3116
02:24:12,719 --> 02:24:15,659
if you come down main road you can see it.

3117
02:24:15,659 --> 02:24:21,590
If, I couldn't even get a permit to even put rip rap in there now

3118
02:24:21,590 --> 02:24:25,229
because it will create now a barrier

3119
02:24:25,229 --> 02:24:25,969
which could potentially. . .

3120
02:24:25,969 --> 02:24:31,770
Go into Clough Road because no longer does it curve.

3121
02:24:31,770 --> 02:24:34,690
It has come and done this.

3122
02:24:34,690 --> 02:24:38,930
So if you stop it here, it could back up even further

3123
02:24:38,930 --> 02:24:43,649
and change the path further into Clough Road.

3124
02:24:43,649 --> 02:24:44,770
And that's the problem.

3125
02:24:44,770 --> 02:24:47,670
That's why they don't want people messing with the river

3126
02:24:47,670 --> 02:24:53,209
because while it may protect you, you may be creating something else.

3127
02:24:53,209 --> 02:24:56,290
If we backed up, if we did this. . .

3128
02:24:56,290 --> 02:25:02,819
On our property, it very well could then channel more erosion

3129
02:25:02,819 --> 02:25:07,829
towards the Darjees and hasten the river path that way.

3130
02:25:07,829 --> 02:25:11,469
So they're just not allowing you to go in.

3131
02:25:11,469 --> 02:25:13,930
And that's why these programs were created.

3132
02:25:13,930 --> 02:25:17,209
It was my understanding when I read that other program

3133
02:25:17,209 --> 02:25:20,950
that FEMA will come down and they will come up with a plan.

3134
02:25:20,950 --> 02:25:23,049
I just said you will come up with a plan.

3135
02:25:23,049 --> 02:25:25,250
You're the one who did your part of the block digging.

3136
02:25:25,250 --> 02:25:26,350
I'm not a fan of our. . .

3137
02:25:26,350 --> 02:25:32,350
I'm not a fan at all of the raising, elevating because it's like a 25% match with the town.

3138
02:25:32,350 --> 02:25:34,350
This program has no match.

3139
02:25:34,350 --> 02:25:36,729
And there was very other stipulations too.

3140
02:25:36,729 --> 02:25:38,930
And if you think this is a lot of paperwork, I mean,

3141
02:25:38,930 --> 02:25:42,170
I'll let you have some of that and those mounds and mounds of paperwork.

3142
02:25:42,170 --> 02:25:45,670
Plus, I just don't think it's an ideal thing for Stanford.

3143
02:25:45,670 --> 02:25:47,229
We should be filling wetlands anyways.

3144
02:25:47,229 --> 02:25:51,270
And they're going to be looking at each individual property if they can raise it up.

3145
02:25:51,270 --> 02:25:54,270
They're going to try to mitigate it as best as possible.

3146
02:25:54,270 --> 02:25:56,350
I'm fundamentally against raising the property

3147
02:25:56,350 --> 02:25:57,350
of wetlands.

3148
02:25:57,350 --> 02:25:58,350
I don't think it's something we should do.

3149
02:25:58,350 --> 02:25:59,350
We've already lost more than 50% of our wetlands in this country.

3150
02:25:59,350 --> 02:26:00,350
I don't think we should be losing much more.

3151
02:26:00,350 --> 02:26:01,350
There's other places in town that we can develop.

3152
02:26:01,350 --> 02:26:02,350
This really needs to be a bigger conversation, even with the planning board, on how do we

3153
02:26:02,350 --> 02:26:03,350
move forward, maintain the tax base of areas that we can develop on higher ground.

3154
02:26:03,350 --> 02:26:04,350
There's still land out there.

3155
02:26:04,350 --> 02:26:05,350
I mean, there's a lot of land out there.

3156
02:26:05,350 --> 02:26:06,350
We talked about ancient roads earlier.

3157
02:26:06,350 --> 02:26:07,350
One of the ways we probably maybe shouldn't have got rid of it, it was probably all grown

3158
02:26:07,350 --> 02:26:08,350
at Enway.

3159
02:26:08,350 --> 02:26:09,350
I mean, there's a lot of land out there.

3160
02:26:09,350 --> 02:26:10,350
We talked about ancient roads earlier.

3161
02:26:10,350 --> 02:26:25,420
One of the ways we probably maybe shouldn't have got rid of it was probably all grown

3162
02:26:25,420 --> 02:26:26,420
at Enway.

3163
02:26:26,420 --> 02:26:27,420
I mean, there's a lot of land out there.

3164
02:26:27,420 --> 02:26:28,420
I mean, there's a lot of land out there.

3165
02:26:28,420 --> 02:26:29,420
We talked about ancient roads earlier.

3166
02:26:29,420 --> 02:26:30,420
One of the ways we probably maybe shouldn't have got rid of it was probably all grown

3167
02:26:30,420 --> 02:26:31,420
at Enway.

3168
02:26:31,420 --> 02:26:32,420
I mean, there's a lot of land out there.

3169
02:26:32,420 --> 02:26:33,420
We talked about ancient roads earlier.

3170
02:26:33,420 --> 02:26:34,420
We talked about ancient roads earlier.

3171
02:26:34,420 --> 02:26:35,420
We talked about ancient roads earlier.

3172
02:26:35,420 --> 02:26:36,420
We talked about ancient roads.

3173
02:26:36,420 --> 02:26:37,420
We talked about ancient roads.

3174
02:26:37,420 --> 02:26:38,479
There are places that are so old today and they're hard to maintain.

3175
02:26:38,479 --> 02:26:39,479
But there was an old road from Forget over to Basin.

3176
02:26:39,479 --> 02:26:40,479
Very flat elevated land, a lot of space up in there.

3177
02:26:40,479 --> 02:26:41,479
Right?

3178
02:26:41,479 --> 02:26:42,479
There's still space around.

3179
02:26:42,479 --> 02:26:43,479
And none of this is gonna like happen over, right?

3180
02:26:43,479 --> 02:26:44,479
Like all of a sudden you're there like, okay, when you approve this stream of thing, 15

3181
02:26:44,479 --> 02:26:56,510
So this is something that may progress over time, you know, 50 years or more, with how you restructure your town, how you redevelop in a more, you know, sustainable way that makes sense.

3182
02:26:57,209 --> 02:27:01,469
So, you know, just like we were talking about with the signs, I like to do what's for the best of the town.

3183
02:27:01,549 --> 02:27:02,030
Yeah, absolutely.

3184
02:27:02,030 --> 02:27:04,909
So it's not a personal thing for me at all.

3185
02:27:06,209 --> 02:27:13,959
So my last question to you would be, because you seem like you know a little bit more than I do, is what benefit, benefit?

3186
02:27:13,959 --> 02:27:29,680
I don't want to, just what benefit, if we allow this, and you say just two houses, say it's not an expense, big expense to the town, but what benefit does this do for the town?

3187
02:27:30,530 --> 02:27:37,069
Well, if the house is really vulnerable to ending up in the stream, you know, we save a lot of pollution that can end up in the river.

3188
02:27:38,129 --> 02:27:40,290
The house may become abandoned.

3189
02:27:40,510 --> 02:27:44,809
Someone decides the house is unlivable, they don't live there anymore, they're not going to pay taxes on it anyway.

3190
02:27:45,329 --> 02:27:47,909
So we're dealing with a bunch of abandoned properties in town.

3191
02:27:48,510 --> 02:27:50,750
All of these are positive, but they're definitely negatives.

3192
02:27:52,530 --> 02:27:54,309
Raw sewage going into the river.

3193
02:27:55,559 --> 02:27:57,159
You know, these are things of the past.

3194
02:27:58,030 --> 02:28:03,670
You know, a property where we either decide that we're going to buy it back on tax sale and the town owns it anyway.

3195
02:28:03,969 --> 02:28:07,090
Well, I know we don't have to do that.

3196
02:28:07,389 --> 02:28:12,850
But that is a, and I know this is a desperate example because you're in a real tough situation.

3197
02:28:13,129 --> 02:28:13,870
Yeah, well, yeah.

3198
02:28:13,870 --> 02:28:15,530
Because you're given the information.

3199
02:28:15,750 --> 02:28:18,510
And you have a piece of property that is through the program.

3200
02:28:18,530 --> 02:28:19,510
But you know what I've been doing this.

3201
02:28:19,510 --> 02:28:22,149
So people are looking and saying, well, you're given the information, you're going to be biased.

3202
02:28:22,469 --> 02:28:26,229
That's why I'm asking, I'm happy to give the information.

3203
02:28:26,450 --> 02:28:26,670
Yeah.

3204
02:28:27,329 --> 02:28:30,850
But just like you always say, Mike, you're only one person, I'm only one person.

3205
02:28:31,430 --> 02:28:34,969
I've done the research because I am affected.

3206
02:28:35,690 --> 02:28:36,090
Absolutely.

3207
02:28:36,409 --> 02:28:36,829
Makes sense.

3208
02:28:37,430 --> 02:28:45,729
One thing, I'm looking into so many different alternatives to keep the structures on the tax.

3209
02:28:45,989 --> 02:28:51,909
Well, somebody approached me and said, my God, the shop was only built 2008.

3210
02:28:52,989 --> 02:29:03,200
Would you consider, you know, with the town, because it would be the towns at that point, would you donate it and let somebody call it off, put it on their property?

3211
02:29:03,200 --> 02:29:04,579
It's got to stay in town.

3212
02:29:05,059 --> 02:29:05,840
There you go.

3213
02:29:06,020 --> 02:29:07,700
What I mean, that would be the shop.

3214
02:29:07,700 --> 02:29:09,739
That would be the easiest one to move.

3215
02:29:10,040 --> 02:29:11,239
Can imagine moving the house.

3216
02:29:11,239 --> 02:29:16,579
But this same person said, oh, yeah, we just moved a house down.

3217
02:29:16,579 --> 02:29:20,280
Well, around town, it's hard to move a house, you know, going up and down.

3218
02:29:20,559 --> 02:29:23,659
But these are considerations.

3219
02:29:24,559 --> 02:29:26,280
These are huge considerations.

3220
02:29:26,540 --> 02:29:27,659
Keep it on the tax roll.

3221
02:29:28,180 --> 02:29:30,540
Trouts Unlimited has an interest.

3222
02:29:30,899 --> 02:29:34,600
So it would not become the town's responsibility.

3223
02:29:35,299 --> 02:29:38,059
Trouts Unlimited would come in and turn this into.

3224
02:29:39,280 --> 02:29:40,500
How can that happen?

3225
02:29:41,340 --> 02:29:42,100
I don't know.

3226
02:29:42,700 --> 02:29:43,100
Yeah.

3227
02:29:43,440 --> 02:29:44,440
I worked a lot.

3228
02:29:44,680 --> 02:29:45,459
I actually couldn't do it.

3229
02:29:45,520 --> 02:29:46,440
I got to come on myself.

3230
02:29:46,579 --> 02:29:46,979
I don't know about you.

3231
02:29:47,000 --> 02:29:47,459
I'm not a homeowner.

3232
02:29:47,659 --> 02:29:47,799
Yeah.

3233
02:29:48,120 --> 02:29:48,239
Yeah.

3234
02:29:48,420 --> 02:29:51,579
No, in that, you hear it one way and I hear it another way.

3235
02:29:51,700 --> 02:29:54,459
And then my colleagues tell you guys and you tell me.

3236
02:29:54,559 --> 02:29:55,239
I can do it.

3237
02:29:55,299 --> 02:29:57,180
You ask a question or I can ask a question.

3238
02:29:57,559 --> 02:29:57,920
Right.

3239
02:29:58,500 --> 02:29:59,899
And we get more questions than I can ask.

3240
02:30:00,180 --> 02:30:06,219
Some are ready to hear that they have the sense at all that FEMA is sort of like, on

3241
02:30:06,219 --> 02:30:11,100
the one hand, they are a government program that they need to justify their existence.

3242
02:30:11,100 --> 02:30:15,299
So they're like an insurance company where they sell you the insurance policy or they

3243
02:30:15,299 --> 02:30:16,719
put themselves out there.

3244
02:30:17,059 --> 02:30:20,659
As being, you get sick, you get injured, you're fine.

3245
02:30:20,659 --> 02:30:26,559
But then when you actually go to collect, there is so much more fine print, so much

3246
02:30:26,559 --> 02:30:27,559
more whatever.

3247
02:30:27,559 --> 02:30:33,559
And people, you know, the emotion around the idea of our taxes going up is scary.

3248
02:30:33,559 --> 02:30:39,559
I mean, everybody has this consideration and that is, that does have to do with the, with

3249
02:30:39,559 --> 02:30:41,559
the, with the good of FEMA.

3250
02:30:41,559 --> 02:30:46,559
But the reality, I just wonder if like the reality of people actually being able to do

3251
02:30:46,559 --> 02:30:51,059
this, being able to accomplish this is something to discern, to find, to come.

3252
02:30:51,059 --> 02:30:57,559
And we also have to consider that the town, the good of the town, also consists of each

3253
02:30:57,559 --> 02:30:59,059
person in the town.

3254
02:30:59,059 --> 02:30:59,559
True.

3255
02:30:59,559 --> 02:31:07,559
And them being able to avail themselves of, of, of, you know, I cannot see free money,

3256
02:31:07,559 --> 02:31:13,059
free, like being distributed all over the place for FEMA to just let everybody relocate

3257
02:31:13,059 --> 02:31:15,059
to Florida or wherever they want to go.

3258
02:31:15,059 --> 02:31:16,059
So I just, you know, I feel like.

3259
02:31:16,559 --> 02:31:21,559
I feel like that, that right of people is, is also something.

3260
02:31:21,559 --> 02:31:26,559
And of course, yes, taxes should not go up and should, and shouldn't, but I, I feel like

3261
02:31:26,559 --> 02:31:34,000
it got to an emotional place that was emotional rather than.

3262
02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:41,000
If FEMA, our federal government that we pay taxes into, really wanted to do it right,

3263
02:31:41,000 --> 02:31:45,000
they would take care of the individual and the municipality.

3264
02:31:45,000 --> 02:31:49,000
So you go, say, let's just say in the next hundred years we're going to, we're going

3265
02:31:49,000 --> 02:31:54,000
to take this much taxes and secure you as well instead of sending money over to who knows.

3266
02:31:54,000 --> 02:31:57,000
Oh, you don't get that at all.

3267
02:31:57,000 --> 02:31:58,000
Yeah, I agree.

3268
02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:02,000
If I had it my way, I'm going to tell them that, hey, how about that 80 billion coming

3269
02:32:02,000 --> 02:32:03,000
back to this?

3270
02:32:03,000 --> 02:32:04,000
Yeah.

3271
02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:08,000
I think it's an awful decision to put on the five of us that make like 75 cents an hour

3272
02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:09,000
or whatever that we make.

3273
02:32:09,000 --> 02:32:10,000
Right.

3274
02:32:10,000 --> 02:32:11,000
We all have a day job.

3275
02:32:11,000 --> 02:32:12,000
Is that a raise?

3276
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:13,000
No.

3277
02:32:13,000 --> 02:32:15,000
It's just that it's, it's, it's not.

3278
02:32:15,000 --> 02:32:17,000
I got to bring that up at a town meeting.

3279
02:32:17,000 --> 02:32:18,000
The raise is for the sweat board.

3280
02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:19,000
Damn.

3281
02:32:19,000 --> 02:32:20,000
Like you said too, in the beginning it said no match, the town doesn't have to do anything.

3282
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:21,000
It's a very simple process.

3283
02:32:21,000 --> 02:32:22,000
That was the first paper that I read on it.

3284
02:32:22,000 --> 02:32:23,000
Well, now they're sending more of the model deeds you have to do with the other stuff

3285
02:32:23,000 --> 02:32:24,000
you have to sign up for.

3286
02:32:24,000 --> 02:32:25,000
We can reach out.

3287
02:32:25,000 --> 02:32:26,000
I did read somewhere too that.

3288
02:32:26,000 --> 02:32:27,000
No, there's a lot of paperwork.

3289
02:32:27,000 --> 02:32:28,000
We're going through that process.

3290
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:29,000
I did read somewhere where you can reach out to the regional commission and they can

3291
02:32:29,000 --> 02:32:30,000
help you with the paperwork.

3292
02:32:30,000 --> 02:32:31,000
It's part of the $4,000.

3293
02:32:31,000 --> 02:32:32,000
Yeah.

3294
02:32:32,000 --> 02:32:33,000
Yeah.

3295
02:32:33,000 --> 02:32:34,000
Yeah.

3296
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:35,000
Yeah.

3297
02:32:35,000 --> 02:32:36,000
Yeah.

3298
02:32:36,000 --> 02:32:37,000
Yeah.

3299
02:32:37,000 --> 02:32:38,000
Yeah.

3300
02:32:38,000 --> 02:32:39,000
Yeah.

3301
02:32:39,000 --> 02:32:40,000
Yeah.

3302
02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:41,000
Yeah.

3303
02:32:41,000 --> 02:32:42,000
Yeah.

3304
02:32:42,000 --> 02:32:43,000
Yeah.

3305
02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:44,000
Yeah.

3306
02:32:44,000 --> 02:32:45,000
Yeah.

3307
02:32:45,000 --> 02:32:46,000
Yeah.

3308
02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:47,000
Yeah.

3309
02:32:47,000 --> 02:32:48,000
Yeah.

3310
02:32:48,000 --> 02:32:49,000
Yeah.

3311
02:32:49,000 --> 02:32:50,000
Yeah.

3312
02:32:50,000 --> 02:32:51,000
Yeah.

3313
02:32:51,000 --> 02:32:52,000
Yeah.

3314
02:32:52,000 --> 02:32:53,000
Yeah.

3315
02:32:53,000 --> 02:32:54,000
Yeah.

3316
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:55,000
Yeah.

3317
02:32:55,000 --> 02:32:56,000
Yeah.

3318
02:32:56,000 --> 02:32:57,000
Yeah.

3319
02:32:57,000 --> 02:32:58,000
Yeah.

3320
02:32:58,000 --> 02:32:59,000
Yeah.

3321
02:32:59,000 --> 02:33:00,000
Yeah.

3322
02:33:00,000 --> 02:33:01,000
Yeah.

3323
02:33:01,000 --> 02:33:02,000
Yeah.

3324
02:33:02,000 --> 02:33:03,000
Yeah.

3325
02:33:03,000 --> 02:33:04,000
Yeah.

3326
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:05,000
Yeah.

3327
02:33:05,000 --> 02:33:06,030
Yeah.

3328
02:33:06,030 --> 02:33:07,030
Yeah.

3329
02:33:07,030 --> 02:33:08,030
Yeah.

3330
02:33:08,030 --> 02:33:09,030
Yeah.

3331
02:33:09,030 --> 02:33:10,030
Yeah.

3332
02:33:10,030 --> 02:33:11,030
Yeah.

3333
02:33:11,030 --> 02:33:12,030
Yeah.

3334
02:33:12,030 --> 02:33:13,030
Yeah.

3335
02:33:13,030 --> 02:33:14,030
Yeah.

3336
02:33:14,030 --> 02:33:15,030
Yeah.

3337
02:33:15,030 --> 02:33:16,030
Yeah.

3338
02:33:16,030 --> 02:33:17,030
Yeah.

3339
02:33:17,030 --> 02:33:18,030
Yeah.

3340
02:33:18,030 --> 02:33:22,030
25% match on it. Why does it do that for $25,000?

3341
02:33:22,030 --> 02:33:26,030
What's the 25% match to $250,000?

3342
02:33:26,030 --> 02:33:30,059
It just doesn't make any sense.

3343
02:33:30,059 --> 02:33:34,059
Yeah, so what's that $50,000? That's crap. I mean if they want a part of that

3344
02:33:34,059 --> 02:33:38,510
they should just take it all.

3345
02:33:38,510 --> 02:33:43,309
Exactly.

3346
02:33:43,309 --> 02:33:49,370
Read it over and we'll figure it out.

3347
02:33:49,370 --> 02:33:53,719
If you want to sign these forms, they have to go back to Brian

3348
02:33:53,719 --> 02:33:58,780
with Walters. There's

3349
02:33:58,780 --> 02:34:06,110
paper clips. That's what he

3350
02:34:06,110 --> 02:34:10,110
sent to me in his cover letter.

3351
02:34:14,969 --> 02:34:18,969
He's pretty good if you guys have questions individually.

3352
02:34:18,969 --> 02:34:22,969
He's pretty good if you just call him. Send him an email and say

3353
02:34:22,969 --> 02:34:24,969
can I give you a call?

3354
02:34:24,969 --> 02:34:28,969
I'll give you his number.

3355
02:34:28,969 --> 02:34:32,969
And it doesn't have to be all at once. Like if you have a question

3356
02:34:32,969 --> 02:34:36,969
you're thinking of something.

3357
02:34:36,969 --> 02:34:42,639
Okay.

3358
02:34:42,639 --> 02:34:46,639
Correspondence, Lauren. Sign deed transferring lot 270.

3359
02:34:46,639 --> 02:34:50,639
So months and months and months ago these people paid

3360
02:34:50,639 --> 02:34:54,799
to purchase a lot in Alba Wall.

3361
02:34:54,799 --> 02:34:59,309
They've reduced the paperwork, decided everything looks good,

3362
02:34:59,309 --> 02:35:03,309
and paid the rest of the fees so now it's time to sign the deed.

3363
02:35:03,309 --> 02:35:08,430
Nancy wants to sign it as chair and then only two witnesses.

3364
02:35:08,430 --> 02:35:13,899
Okay. Motion to sign it.

3365
02:35:13,899 --> 02:35:25,840
Well we made a motion to sell it, right?

3366
02:35:25,840 --> 02:35:30,159
Back in June. Yeah, that's good.

3367
02:35:30,159 --> 02:35:34,159
So it doesn't have to be a lot. It doesn't have to be a year?

3368
02:35:34,159 --> 02:35:38,159
Oh, you guys own it. Okay.

3369
02:35:38,159 --> 02:35:42,159
Never mind.

3370
02:35:42,159 --> 02:35:49,680
Did you get a second?

3371
02:35:49,680 --> 02:35:53,680
Can I keep this paper? No.

3372
02:35:53,680 --> 02:35:57,680
If you put it through your ear...

3373
02:35:57,680 --> 02:36:01,680
It might be an archival paper.

3374
02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:05,680
It might be an archival...

3375
02:36:05,680 --> 02:36:09,680
Yeah.

3376
02:36:13,709 --> 02:36:21,319
That went to Vaughn. Yeah. He's building a house up there

3377
02:36:21,319 --> 02:36:25,319
in Alba Wall and... We'll get more taxes.

3378
02:36:25,319 --> 02:36:29,319
But I don't think it's in our section, is it?

3379
02:36:29,319 --> 02:36:33,319
But that's his property there, right?

3380
02:36:33,319 --> 02:36:37,319
But this one he might do something with it too. See?

3381
02:36:37,319 --> 02:36:39,709
Yeah.

3382
02:36:39,709 --> 02:36:44,829
Three, four, four properties.

3383
02:36:44,829 --> 02:36:48,829
Are they part of the Alba Wall thing?

3384
02:36:48,829 --> 02:36:50,829
Yep.

3385
02:36:50,829 --> 02:36:52,829
So you have to pay the fees and everything associated with Alba Wall?

3386
02:36:52,829 --> 02:36:54,829
$300 or something?

3387
02:36:54,829 --> 02:36:58,829
Per acre or per lot you have.

3388
02:36:58,829 --> 02:37:00,829
So if he buys this lot, it's two lots.

3389
02:37:00,829 --> 02:37:02,829
Right. So the next...

3390
02:37:02,829 --> 02:37:04,920
That pays both fees. Yes.

3391
02:37:04,920 --> 02:37:06,920
You know what I mean?

3392
02:37:06,920 --> 02:37:09,020
Did O'Neill ever come through with his deed?

3393
02:37:09,020 --> 02:37:11,020
The one John Shaw goes with?

3394
02:37:11,020 --> 02:37:14,270
Yes.

3395
02:37:14,270 --> 02:37:22,120
Is that official?

3396
02:37:22,120 --> 02:37:24,120
What is he doing?

3397
02:37:24,120 --> 02:37:28,270
He's got a lot of money.

3398
02:37:28,270 --> 02:37:30,270
All right.

3399
02:37:30,270 --> 02:37:32,270
He's got to get $1 million.

3400
02:37:32,270 --> 02:37:34,270
Oh, yeah.

3401
02:37:34,270 --> 02:37:36,270
$1 million.

3402
02:37:36,270 --> 02:37:38,270
Yeah.