Stamford Select Board — 2024-10-03 (Regular)
- Stamford Resiliency Fair
- Selectboard Orders
- Road Conditions
- Recycling
- Planning Commission Resignation
- Stamford Sign
- Halloween Hours
- Mailboxes
- November Election
- Delinquent Dog List
- Stamford Ridge Riders
- Reminders
Motions (9, 9 passed)
accept the regular meeting minutes of September 19, 2024 as written Mike Denaultseconded: Doug Wrightpassed
bring the membership on the Planning Commission back up to nine members and appoint Jim Stimpson, Marta Miller Kurt Gamariseconded: Mike Denaultpassed
appeal the Zoning Administrator’s decision to the Zoning Board of Adjustment Mike Denaultseconded: Doug Wrightpassed
set Halloween trick or treat hours the same as last year, from 6:00 p.m. to 7:30 p.m. on October 31st Mike Denaultseconded: Kurt Gamaripassed
find that premature public discussion of an attorney/client/civil action would place the town at a substantial Kurt Gamariseconded: Nancy Bushikapassed
enter executive session for an attorney/client/civil matter pursuant to 1 V.S.A. § 313(a)(1)(F) Kurt Gamariseconded: Nancy Bushikapassed
exit executive session Kurt Gamariseconded: Nancy Bushikapassed
grant permission to the ATV club riders to ride for one night on Mill road only on October 31, 2024 from 5:30 Kurt Gamariseconded: Doug Wrightpassed
adjourn Nancy Bushikaseconded: Doug Wrightpassed
Who owes what (2)
| Action | Owner | By when | Note | Where it stands |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Bill Levine will request the presence of the Fire Department with their trucks and flashing lights | Bill Levine | — | open no date in the minutes | |
| Doug Wright will participate in the status conference on Tuesday, October 8, 2024 | Doug Wright | — | open no date in the minutes |
scripts/action_status.py --done "a phrase".Money (5)
| Road Conditions | SELECTBOARD ORDERS The Selectboard reviewed and approved the following orders: WARRANT #39 $ 9,139.18 payroll WARRANT #40 $41,611.20 accounts payable ROAD CONDITIONS 1. | $ 9,139.18; $41,611.20 |
| Dave Tatro just had the transmission repaired which cost approximately $4,900.00 and it im | Dave Tatro just had the transmission repaired which cost approximately $4,900.00 and it immediately had more transmission problems when they picked it up. | $4,900.00 |
| It now needs a full transmission replacement which will cost around $11,000.00 and the gar | It now needs a full transmission replacement which will cost around $11,000.00 and the garage does not want to give the town any credit for the first $4,900.00 bill. | $11,000.00; $4,900.00 |
| The cost of the repair was over $69,000.00 and the reimbursement the town will receive is | The cost of the repair was over $69,000.00 and the reimbursement the town will receive is a little over $52,000.00. | $69,000.00; $52,000.00 |
| Greater Heights submitted a quote of $6,500.00 to remove the trees at the intersection of | Greater Heights submitted a quote of $6,500.00 to remove the trees at the intersection of The Lane and East Road. | $6,500.00 |
Public comment (11)
| Sally Bohl | listed as a visitor; the minutes do not record what they said |
| Debra Burchard | listed as a visitor; the minutes do not record what they said |
| Laura Champagne | Laura Champagne said the Stamford Ridge Riders group has received permission to give out candy in the church parking lot with their side-by-sides. |
| Jedidiah Gramlin | listed as a visitor; the minutes do not record what they said |
| Lisa Gramlin | listed as a visitor; the minutes do not record what they said |
| William Levine | listed as a visitor; the minutes do not record what they said |
| Marta Miller | Marta Miller was appointed to fill Maura Hawkins’ term ending in 2025. |
| Thomas Nazzewski | listed as a visitor; the minutes do not record what they said |
| Debra Righi | listed as a visitor; the minutes do not record what they said |
| James Righi | listed as a visitor; the minutes do not record what they said |
| James Stimpson | listed as a visitor; the minutes do not record what they said |
Follow-ups named in the minutes
- Nancy Bushika asked board members to review the ordinance for discussion at the next meeting.
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You gotta go. Me and you would have to go to the surgery of the state's workers. 54 hours. I'm not going to be there. I did. I already went there. You're not going to be there. I'm not going to be there. Okay, I'll meet the orders of the President of the League. I want to do it again. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
Speaker 1: and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Speaker 1: Okay, here are the visitors. I would like to remind and have in the minutes the resiliency fair that happens on Saturday, October 19th from 12 to 5 here in the school. All are welcome.
Speaker 4: I guess we have to
Speaker 5: I know it's not a high priority.
Speaker 6: but probably gets...
Speaker 6: That was over a year ago.
Speaker 6: He's responsible.
Speaker 7: Alright that's fine. Thank you. I was going to say
Speaker 8: before you move on to the roads I received payment for the Hyundai Road repairs from last year's storm. The little $8,000 one. The Mill Road project has gone through all of the channels and I have a grant agreement for you guys to sign. The cost for the Mill Road repairs was $69,000 and some change. And $69,000 and some change. And what we're looking to get back from FEMA
Speaker 8: and we got $8,000 back. And we still have the other five roads that had the wrong GPS coordinates and that's gone back this year.
Speaker 9: I apologize. I don't know what this should have been and hearing the visitors but I wasn't here last week so I apologize. Did anybody follow up with National Grid? Yes. So I was curious.
Speaker 9: where's the other one? Yes, thank you. I was aware of that. I was just curious what their policies are for remediation for all the
Speaker 10: they would, but right now
Speaker 9: Because we all just got our letters in the mail from National Grid today. Oh, okay. Well, you're not in a butter too.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 9: after them. Again, it's not small potatoes. It's a big deal that we weren't notified prior to. It just started happening and you have to be totally fine.
Speaker 1: Although we don't have a mailman. Right. We did. I will say,
Speaker 1: Oh, you better believe it. Starting at 6 a.m.
Speaker 9: You cannot believe the traffic.
Speaker 12: I mean, really.
Speaker 9: when they lost the entire mill road. So that machine coming down the road.
Speaker 9: anymore. So what was that machine? They had a wide load.
Speaker 9: All our trucks, all our machines right now are not any wider than normal. That machine is wider than normal.
Speaker 9: Why did they have a, what do you call it, the escort?
Speaker 10: The escort, exactly.
Speaker 5: and said it's been notified.
Speaker 5: Well, they said they weren't following
Speaker 13: Well, I live up there, and they go by my house, and I haven't had a problem. I mean, it's a little bit of an inconvenience, but they've got to do their work to it. And I haven't seen the road any worse as a result of this. I don't mean there's something wrong there. I think the road's good.
Speaker 14: I have pictures of the excavator, but they also have other equipment up there, too. All the boards that they brought in to make the plank, and the beds over at the top. Padding. And I also have a 4x4 forest seeker side-by-side that they're using up there, as well. I thought so, Laura. I thought you didn't see any up there. You said it was ATVs, but it's not.
Speaker 15: It's them.
Speaker 16: He was driving around London up there.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I have a picture of that.
Speaker 16: The 4x4s?
Speaker 13: It's on 264. We don't know what kind of permission they've gotten or arrangements. I mean, a game warden can ride right up county road on his ATV to win his job. That doesn't mean, well, you're doing something illegal.
Speaker 14: should have the right to go up. It's not all the way up, though. It's up to the brook, where the brook goes up to the high tension.
Speaker 9: And I just think if in a situation like that where they knew that there was going to be this huge influx of really big vehicles, as a courtesy, we should have been really careful. I think it's extremely disrespectful
Speaker 9: and unprofessional and it can be a dangerous situation on Mill Road. But you know off the side you're in the brook. Some of them are also going very fast. I disagree with you, Ben.
Speaker 17: Well, I disagree with you
Speaker 13: because I haven't seen them by the way. I mean, I agree with you. You're always nice straight away. Just to ask them, I went along the brook, and I've never seen them.
Speaker 9: They've been putting signs out saying it works for them. If you see that, it's important. I still think they should have notified us. Well, that's fine.
Speaker 8: How much were we paying in Klondike? $69,000 and we're getting $52,000 back.
Speaker 13: because they were on the wrong side of the road when they touched me. They used to pick on Massachusetts
Speaker 6: Go for it though.
Speaker 8: ECRC to do it which I think we should do. The board is probably getting down pretty quick about that. Just to sign that letter
Speaker 5: We're forced to do it.
Speaker 13: I don't have anything.
Speaker 18: Last meeting
Speaker 5: No they're guide rails.
Speaker 5: but they're just minor. So do you want to work on this with me?
Speaker 14: I can, yeah. Are you adding open roads to that too? Doing what? Right? Is that what you were supposed to do? Is that open roads to the ATVs to that town ordinance as well?
Speaker 19: Something about the class 4 roads.
Speaker 16: So I picked up I don't know eight or nine paint cans. up at County Road and brought them down to the dump on Monday and put them in front of the dumpster. We're also planning Sunday morning we're going to do some more cleaning up there. How do you guys want this stuff bagged up and where do you want it?
Speaker 20: But I'm sure it's probably a lot of just
Speaker 21: garbage.
Speaker 20: You just want it in a regular bag?
Speaker 5: Because if you leave it out
Speaker 5: Put it in the demo?
Speaker 14: Yeah, just bag it and throw it in the dumpster. You know which one's demo?
Speaker 15: We'll have to ask my mother.
Speaker 22: We'll talk to my mother.
Speaker 13: We're walking down the road.
Speaker 16: Why don't we go on the motor? Look at the piles of juice.
Speaker 23: go up there.
Speaker 16: There's all kinds of stuff up there. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 14: I know if it's light green paint
Speaker 16: it's you.
Speaker 14: That's it on recycling.
Speaker 8: We had a reservation from a planning commission meeting. It was in a minute so now we have two letters of interest.
Speaker 9: Go ahead.
Speaker 24: No, I was A.O. but I went to every meeting during the whole process of the revisions when we rewrote the
Speaker 25: file.
Speaker 24: Was your wife on it or something?
Speaker 26: She was an
Speaker 25: alternate, not an organ.
Speaker 5: Just one position open, right?
Speaker 5: Because I like you both.
Speaker 7: And we dropped it down. We went from nine to seven.
Speaker 6: They couldn't get a warrant.
Speaker 7: I don't know. I don't know that that was necessarily their reasoning.
Speaker 7: I don't know that that made much sense in either direction. Right. You should have shown that it might be easier to have a form if you have nine. I mean, that's what Aaron said. Yeah, well, I mean, that's
Speaker 27: Yeah, it all depends on how
Speaker 7: committed the people would be to the board and serving the board. I think these are two people that would definitely be committed to it.
Speaker 24: I agree. If you keep it at seven, I'd step back and I'd want to do it.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, I'd step back
Speaker 7: and review. These are two awesome candidates that we would have to say no to while they're at the
Speaker 28: state.
Speaker 1: Well, I'd certainly love to review.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 14: I'm just saying.
Speaker 7: Just let one support the other. We're down to six. We're at six right now, right? I don't know.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure what I can end up. So we're at six 40 members since we went to three more. I mean, we just created an incredible board almost right here. Exactly.
Speaker 7: That would have been amazing. You've got a lot of knowledge here. At a time that we really need to focus on planning.
Speaker 29: Are you going to ask me a question?
Speaker 14: Make a motion.
Speaker 30: What's out there with pro tem?
Speaker 13: Is there an office here they can deal with pro tem? Ex-officio. Ex-officio. I mean, you're a justice of peace.
Speaker 7: She doesn't have to do that. I only did that because I just didn't want any, I mean, I don't know that I necessarily had to do it. There's no conflict.
Speaker 31: That one's non-conflict.
Speaker 7: The only conflict was the
Speaker 9: What's that mean? Energy. It made no sense to me.
Speaker 4: But I think like
Speaker 9: somebody else
Speaker 24: The problem right now, I don't want to get too far off of this, is that if Deb was on the plan and she continued on, the problem is that you have two people that are on the I'm sorry,
Speaker 32: what's the one that
Speaker 7: Zomia Yeah. I mean that's something that should be considered.
Speaker 10: It's happening right now, yeah.
Speaker 6: David would be the one.
Speaker 33: Sheila and David.
Speaker 9: Two Sheilas. Sheila people are also on the plan.
Speaker 8: Sheila's not on the plan. I thought she was. No. I'd like a motion right now to bring it back to nine if these are the three candidates.
Speaker 7: Second. Wait, who's the three? Dave, which is an amazing out of the bullpen decision right there. Jim and Mark. Second.
Speaker 7: I think that a very crucial time for planning. We just made a really good board. I should go vote in the exam. He should be involved. A lot of what's going to be planned in the future in land development is directly related to roads. So it only would make sense that he should also be involved. Like the road commissioner
Speaker 34: should also be involved.
Speaker 7: It's the knowledge. Right. Jim's loaded with knowledge. And a lot of the bylaws
Speaker 13: as they exist now. Is the motion up to nine? Seconded.
Speaker 9: All in favor? Aye.
Speaker 9: Thank you. So now, we'll appoint these three that are interested.
Speaker 8: Spare your terms. So what do we have right now?
Speaker 14: Which one is going to fill Maura? That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: What's that?
Speaker 7: Maura is 20-25. That's a one-year term.
Speaker 7: So we got to put them in their slots now. There's different terms. Who wants the one-year term?
Speaker 8: I'll make the one-year term.
Speaker 8: Maura will fill Maura's term.
Speaker 8: Right, Maura.
Speaker 7: And what are these new terms starting right now?
Speaker 8: Well, I think they're four-year terms,
Speaker 35: but you want to stagger them
Speaker 36: So do two years remaining
Speaker 8: on a four-year term before 26. Two-year on
Speaker 37: What's that?
Speaker 7: A two-year. We've got to stagger the terms
Speaker 8: So then what would we do? Three, one, two, three, and two.
Speaker 8: Jim had a two-year, Dave had a three-year.
Speaker 7: I mean, you basically serve for as long as you want. One will be 27,
Speaker 38: one will be 28.
Speaker 7: I mean, once you're serving, you basically get reappointed.
Speaker 39: James 27, James 28.
Speaker 5: Dave's like, four years?
Speaker 40: Sorry.
Speaker 8: Business. The dreaded sign. So we submitted a permit for the new sign. It was denied by death because it doesn't meet the 50-foot setback from the road. So I guess your choice would be to appeal her decision and sign an application to the ZBA or to go back to the 51, 50 feet?
Speaker 9: difference is...
Speaker 11: What are we looking at?
Speaker 9: You know, if it was a foot or two, that would be something...
Speaker 9: and you have to move it over. Exactly, but when you're...
Speaker 9: And given the scope of what's been going on, I thought... No, I don't blame you. I get it. I would rather see it closer to the road. It makes sense. But I think it's more of a committee decision at this point. But yes, I can do really just like one waiver, but only at my discretion.
Speaker 41: Like a 10% thing?
Speaker 9: I think you're right. I was going to call you, but I think it's like 10%. Yeah, so... So that being
Speaker 13: I think we might be right because
Speaker 9: like with real estate, we can only go 25 feet from the center line if we're, if then we approach on their right-of-way and they I've had my signs taken. So it is confirmed for the state. And those aren't permanent signs either? No, they're not. Exactly.
Speaker 7: I think municipalities should be exempt. Churches should be exempt. Certain things should be exempt. I truly believe we are, but that's another rule.
Speaker 34: That's for your planning permission. We've always, always, every meeting I ever went to was made on municipalities where churches, Bible, 3C, you don't need a permit. You just need a notification. However, you gotta still you still gotta abide by the regulations. But this is bullshit.
Speaker 40: No, I am sorry.
Speaker 24: Who's the zoner board?
Speaker 11: The ZBA?
Speaker 9: Zoning Board of Appeals?
Speaker 7: This is like But you never appealed this one. Yes, we did. This is a whole other sign. New sign, new place. You didn't see the old one? Same fat shit. Same shit.
Speaker 24: No. No, you didn't complain. Any other rules?
Speaker 34: We can work together. That's why I'm here. That's why we've got good people now.
Speaker 42: Well, if some of them
Speaker 1: come to the Planning Commission to have a bylaw amended, they could have done that.
Speaker 7: That's something you can work on right now.
Speaker 43: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Monday. Monday I can't come Sunday.
Speaker 1: even want to do it. You and John were supposed to come and I have all my research lined up for that day. Well, Monday's another day.
Speaker 44: Maybe I'll get sick.
Speaker 13: Maybe I have a death in my family. Speaking of dogs,
Speaker 1: how many do we have left? Oh yeah.
Speaker 8: We're down to three people, four dogs. And one is questionable that they no longer live here but I don't have coverage. So that could be down to two people. And are they working on it? One is working on it. He needs a rabies.
Speaker 45: He seems to be ahead of schedule now. Is it too much to tell these people that Tractor Supply has clinics twice a week?
Speaker 46: Big billboard.
Speaker 1: directly. My neighbor saw a raccoon acting weird during the day. Is that an issue for Luke? Fish and game. Fish and game.
Speaker 7: Unless it's Tractor Supply. Luke won't deal with any animals
Speaker 1: that are weird. Right? Except animals. Dogs.
Speaker 27: jurisdiction.
Speaker 7: What's he doing on a bridge?
Speaker 38: Walking.
Speaker 7: I just don't want to you know, I wouldn't spray anything over the river.
Speaker 7: What would they be doing? They could have asked to pollinate the flowers. You've never heard of
Speaker 7: stardust birds and bees yet? Were they They're just out there being responsible for 60% of our food production. That's all they're doing. Where are they at?
Speaker 14: summer.
Speaker 24: And they're actually plenty right now. It gets warmer in the winter. We're a lot closer
Speaker 47: to the same level.
Speaker 9: They like fermentation
Speaker 31: on spruce trees.
Speaker 7: They like fermentation on spruce trees and fir trees. They will act a little
Speaker 24: copious.
Speaker 7: You know, that makes all the sense in the world. They go after that fruit. It's fermented sap, basically, that they're getting drunk. Yeah, animals tend to think elephants migrate hundreds of miles
Speaker 8: Okay, any other new business? Sorry. I neglected to put this on the agenda. I should have, but we'd like to discuss your trick or treat Halloween hours. It falls on a Thursday. Normally in the past
Speaker 45: this year.
Speaker 7: Yep. Make a motion.
Speaker 14: Six to seven Thursdays.
Speaker 7: All in favor?
Speaker 14: Aye. So that night, six to seven Thursdays? Yes. That night we're planning on I've already reached out to the church for the parking lot. We're going to go down and hand out Halloween candy to the kids with the
Speaker 14: They're going to be around. We're serving the community. They all got their own thing. You want to take the ticket? That's not my problem. That's fine.
Speaker 48: Okay.
Speaker 45: Somebody's going to watch out for the crossing the road children?
Speaker 14: The fire department's going to be on the other side. I'm going to be on this side.
Speaker 14: The mailboxes. Does anybody know what happened to them? Those things on the way up there? No? Well, I made a complaint to the postmaster. He's calling me back on September 24th. I drove down in the morning. Went to work. They were fine. Come back, checked my mail because that was the first day to deliver it after we had no mail for weeks. And the mailbox was twisted and I took a picture of it. There's more than just my mailbox opened. The lid is folded over. I can't shut it. It's bent to hell and it was crooked on the whole post and somebody swiped it. I made a complaint. The postmaster is calling me back and I'm quite pissed because this is
Speaker 49: It's here at the end.
Speaker 14: No, it's in the middle of all of that.
Speaker 14: or he already did call you back?
Speaker 49: I called him today, again,
Speaker 14: So you said September 24th but does it mean October 24th?
Speaker 50: No, September 24th.
Speaker 14: Well, I thought you said he's calling me back. But the incident happened on September 24th. And I didn't know if there was any I didn't know if there was anything on any other mailboxes. Because they were all opened. I took pictures of mine.
Speaker 51: Are you sure to bring it?
Speaker 1: Will you vote? Should we say something since it's going to be in the tape and stuff about that? Just to make sure everybody
Speaker 9: Bring your suppression. So if somebody comes at 7 o'clock at night Is that when polls close? So if somebody comes and all the ballots are gone and they didn't bring theirs they don't get to vote.
Speaker 8: Yes? No, we have a small stock
Speaker 52: of ballots available.
Speaker 9: No, I'm saying if you gave them out during the day. Like you've already given out your small stock. And somebody comes at 7 and they don't have their ballot. They can't vote.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they'll be able to vote. You can't not have people vote. We're just going to have to not use the last ballot and make copies and
Speaker 52: you can make copies.
Speaker 41: I just wanted to
Speaker 7: They have to get the sign, right?
Speaker 53: Come at 6.59 anyway.
Speaker 34: 7 o'clock, it's done. Sounds like they do. No, I think it's good that it's on
Speaker 1: basically the information but I think we have to kind of blast it out on both Facebook pages where it's really simple like Alert! The ballot you receive in the mail is your ballot. Bring it Bring it on the day or drop it in the box. Oh, drop it in the box. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Some people just throw it out. I don't vote by mail. Exactly. Or they think it's a separate ballot.
Speaker 51: But it was kind of wordy.
Speaker 1: It is. It needs to be like Attention. Important.
Speaker 54: That is your ballot. Bring it.
Speaker 8: We'll just put that on it.
Speaker 1: Or put it in the drop box. How many copies can we have? Right? Boy.
Speaker 51: And you go to Seraf's about that hot pink paper
Speaker 5: Deb votes.
Speaker 1: Are you sending what you want then? You have to have different names. It's different than how it's ever been. And so the lack of clarity, transparency, and education around essentially changing how we get our ballots
Speaker 43: is
Speaker 7: The end goal is probably to have like no voting in the election.
Speaker 55: Right.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
Speaker 56: But it should be nationwide.
Speaker 44: Do it all at once.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Your eyes.
Speaker 36: Have you heard anything?
Speaker 8: So Erica called me the day of the meeting and said that was her intention. I have not heard a follow up confirmation that school board
Speaker 57: Motion to go into