--- title: "Stamford Select Board — July 2, 2026" date: 2026-07-02 session: regular speaker_labels: 1 cluster(s) named from the roll call and that meeting's chair in the minutes, 1 named from roster attendance, 3 of 5 clusters unnamed voice_ids: {"SPEAKER_00":3,"SPEAKER_01":15,"SPEAKER_02":2,"SPEAKER_03":1,"SPEAKER_04":42} duration_min: 34 audio: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dthUe_r14ofXaUkqvt0dKlzHauTa7gz8/view?usp=sharing audio_source: town drive minutes: https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%207-2-26.pdf minutes_pending: false present: [Nancy L. Bushika, Kurt Gamari, Jedidiah Gramlin, Michael G. Denault] absent: [John Dunn] transcribed: 2026-09-04 (faster-whisper large-v3, CUDA; names corrected per data/name_fixes.json) diarization: pyannote/speaker-diarization-3.1 (automated; cluster labels may over-split a single voice; unattributed paragraphs have no reliable speaker) --- # Stamford Select Board — July 2, 2026 **Session:** Regular · **Duration:** 34 min · [Audio](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dthUe_r14ofXaUkqvt0dKlzHauTa7gz8/view?usp=sharing) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%207-2-26.pdf) **Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Kurt Gamari, Jedidiah Gramlin, Michael G. Denault **Absent:** John Dunn --- I pledge allegiance to the flag, the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. **Speaker 1:** We're recording. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Welcome to a meeting of the Standard Select Board. If you have a matter to discuss, please put it on the agenda. You may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating her name and address. You will notice that all our meetings are recorded, and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes. Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and 15 minutes for discussion. Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others. Select board members present are Michael G. Denault, Nancy Bushika, Jed Gramlin, and Kurt Gamari. Will there be any adding of items or removing of items from tonight's agenda? **Speaker 2:** I have additional correspondence. Let's come in. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, such as changing the order of items? And Jed is recording tonight's meeting for his YouTube video. Hearing of visitors. Okay. Reading and approval of records and orders from June 18th. They are mowing and continuing mowing the sides of the road. Paving is finished. Dave will be doing the shoulder work next week when it cools down a little bit, when it softens up to the chip seal part. Okay. Thank you. I'm not sure when the chip seal will be starting. He said there was no washouts with last night's heavy rain and just a few limbs to pick up. And two contractors showed up for the pre-vid meeting on the culvert on East Road. And that's all he's got to report. All right. Okay. Does the road look good? Mm-hmm. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And most of the, I think everybody's off tomorrow for the holiday. Anything else on highway that you guys want to add? No. Recycling will be closed on Saturday, July 4th. It will be open again the following Wednesday. Because most people have their parties in time, and then recycling is closed, so. **Speaker 3:** Right. Okay. **Speaker 1:** They were careful about making sure whoever came. **Speaker 3:** Yeah, they told me. I was like, oh, gosh, I wasn't even thinking about it. I was like, good thing I came today. Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Okay. Discussion. Taxi anticipation. No impaving loan. Sorry. **Speaker 2:** So, last time we talked, the hope was to get a line of credit. It has been my pulling teeth. It's been a nightmare. I needed the money, and I needed the money before 2013. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Was it a nightmare working that bank, or the two banks that you deal with? **Speaker 2:** I have contacted four banks. Four banks. Nobody calls me back. Nobody has authority. The banks aren't interested in doing those type of things. They're going through a transition, and there's nobody there to deal with that. I finally did get Adams Community Bank to do the tax anticipation loan for the six months at four and a quarter. I needed the money. We did it. That's just for the? Just for the taxes. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** For the taxes. **Speaker 4:** Not the highway? **Speaker 2:** Not the highway. **Speaker 5:** And I had both Adams Community and the Beacon Bank say, we'll work with you. **Speaker 4:** We'll work with you. **Speaker 2:** We'll work with you. We'll work with you. We'll work with you. We'll work with you. We'll work with you. We'll work with you. We'll work with you. We'll work with you. We'll work with you. We'll work with you. We'll work with you. We'll work with you. And we'll talk on a highway loan, a line of credit, and we'll get you back figures. Crickets. I have not heard from either bank. Tracy Mcconnell is the one who at Adams Community has given us the last fire truck loan and a truck loan before that. She's now at Mountain One, so I contacted her. She would love to work with us, but she wants me to move all my accounts over to Mountain One, and I just finished a new account on that. moving that elsewhere i wouldn't go with that it's just too much of a hassle yeah no but i'd like this the one thing she did say was she would not recommend a line of credit because if we were going to borrow and pay it back that's fine but we're going to use it all up on the paving loan and only pay it back over five year period so we're going to have a lot of money out on it and the interest rate changes daily she said she's looking at seven and a half to eight and a half percent on the line of credit that will continue to move so i still have a lot of sticks in the **Speaker 6:** fire but no answers so can you tell me um what are the four banks that you have talked to **Speaker 2:** adam's moment one beacon bank berkshire bank and tv bank **Speaker 3:** so if i could just make a suggestion only because i work with them all the time and they have been absolutely fantastic um is bank of bennington um you know you might **Speaker 3:** want to just reach out to them and see if uh they might be somebody that you might want to do **Speaker 6:** business with or would like to do business with us i'd be happy to try that i mean like td bank **Speaker 2:** right away they said you don't have a working relationship with us you don't want to know **Speaker 3:** much there so they don't want to give you they don't want to give you money if you don't have money i i would i would just ask the question and see and see if you get some answer from them that is **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** better seem like they want to deal with small towns in general well the information on the line of credit that you've been given this is the line of credit that i have **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** adam's bank and i'm not saying how to call that i'm just saying is if the person you're talking about was working there at the time has gone back to the same page she used to be here but anyways um that interest number is about two percent higher than what adam's bank is giving me and in mine i get every quarter i think i get a state of different changes **Speaker 4:** but anyways if they're not answering you there's a guy named chris and he said i am shortated i am **Speaker 2:** the only one here that does the same things i don't ever come at a salary rate with them that's a big difference they're just not neater this is going to be much easier for them to come back so there's about 100 different people responsible ones that i'll talk about now that person has gone back I will give you a quote, but I have to say that Adam's community, because they're beginning to merge, isn't going to want to do a whole lot of lending in the interim, but he thought he could probably work something out now. So you still need money for the truck loan? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. **Speaker 2:** For the truck? **Speaker 4:** Oh. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So what about a five-year loan? Just a five-year loan. Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The truck. So you need money for the truck and the paving. **Speaker 2:** The truck is supposed to come out of our... **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh. **Speaker 2:** National Forest. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh, okay. **Speaker 7:** So it's just a paving. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We were talking about the land credit because you had the anticipation loan and that all kind of, like Dave said, we're going to need to pay them soon. Yeah. And that's why we were talking about it. **Speaker 2:** So she said the 4.25% interest rate is a great rate and they can't match it. So she said don't pay off a lower interest rate loan with a higher interest rate loan. Okay. It's not a loan. So either just get a line of credit for the amount you need for the paving or just get a five-year loan and so on. Jean, you had a question? No. I'm just... Oh, I thought you had your hand up. Well, I have the opportunity, I will say that I have watched Laurie struggle with this **Speaker 8:** for a month now. Yeah. And my God, it's been unbelievable. We wait an average of some time off. I run into her and she's like, you know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? It's been unbelievable. And what's the truth? **Speaker 8:** After a few days off, I run in and I check her e-mail address to see if we heard from any banks. They say they're going to call first thing in the morning. Well, they don't say what morning because it's due. The next morning, it's been very stressful for her. It's terrible. The banks aren't working with us... Nope. It's too bad. No, we'll try that. We'll definitely try that. **Speaker 8:** Try them on Monday. So we still... Paving loan. We still need, yeah, $469,000... **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Paid one, it's temporarily paid. Right now we have the tan, so we can work with that. You just have to set a tag to hold out earlier than ever. Anything else we need to ask her on that? Fire warden appointment. Lori sent us a letter that the fire warden is now appointed by the state. **Speaker 2:** It's now appointed by the fire, the fire chief is appointed first and that he can appoint the deputy warden. So it's been taken out of our hands entirely to recommend anyone. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We pay for her, but we don't get to say it. **Speaker 2:** Appointed the same two fellows that have been doing it, and they're happy to continue on. **Speaker 1:** Right, it takes the state out of the middle of it. Why would the state want to have their hands in that anyway? **Speaker 9:** They probably never met all three of these people. It doesn't even make any sense. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They've always done it that way. Discussion, the Leo Ethier Memorial Garden. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's a statement they make. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The memorial garden is over that side of the school. It was started in 2006, 2007 by the school board. I know at the town meeting everyone was agreeable to it. We raised money for that. And the school board did say they would have volunteers that would take care of the garden. It was much larger than it is now, is that correct? It was a larger area? Well, anyway. **Speaker 8:** To be honest with you, I feel like I must have had something to do with it, but I don't remember it. **Speaker 10:** I really don't remember doing that. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, anyway. It's about 20 years. There is mulch now, but growing through the mulch is weeds. The family has been taking care of it because the volunteers have kind of disappeared or old or moved or for whatever reason. But the family has been weeding and trying to take care of it. Pam has helped last year because there were some volunteers that worked with Carol. But she was wondering if the town could do anything. Do we take it over? Do we want to mow it? **Speaker 3:** What do we want to do? I took a look at it. I even drew a little drawing of it after you and I talked. I mean, it's shrunken down. You can hear. It's shrunken down now to a point where you really can't make it much smaller. There is an issue with the slide. The slide is right there, right next to it. If the slide was not there, right next to it, I would go edge that bed out, make it as small as you can, and then everything else would just get seeded. And that would be that. But the slide is right there, so they've got chips right next to it. So now there's not a lot that you can do with it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, what does John do? He just mows up to the chips by the slide. I guess. I don't know. **Speaker 3:** You can see what. It's, I mean, and the slide, I don't really know why the slide is there. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Was it there when the memorial was put in? Yeah. I don't know. **Speaker 8:** They got new equipment. **Speaker 3:** But yeah, so remember that now there's the fence. The fence is there. The slide is outside of the fence. Well, here's what my guess is. Is that they didn't, nobody wanted to pay to move that slide when that fence was put in and that, you know, that playground area. So now that slide is just kind of out there in no man's land for no apparent reason all by itself. It really should just be removed. **Speaker 11:** Can anyone use it then? **Speaker 3:** I don't know. Is there another slide? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't see kids after school using it. **Speaker 3:** Is there another slide out back? Is that like a second slide? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think so. I can't see with the way the school heads back. I'm letting the kids out of that fence. Right. **Speaker 3:** And so if just neighborhood children were using the playground equipment, well, they're going to go back there and use the playground set up. **Speaker 12:** So if you just took that one out. **Speaker 3:** If you took that slide out, now that whole area can just be returned to lawn. There would be no traffic. And then somebody like myself or something would go in there once a year, edge the bed out, you know, go in there, you know. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Can we ask the school? **Speaker 2:** Can we do what? I was going to ask if the school is even aware. There's been so much turnover at that school that the school board set it up. It was their principal. I wonder if they were made aware of that commitment, if somebody there would take it on. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, I know Cindy was there when this started. **Speaker 8:** I think I'd like to say that it has totally lost its intent. It was supposed to be a garden with a bench and a place to peacefully reflect. And instead, it is part of the playground now. And nobody would be happier than that, maybe than Leo. Because of the children. But it totally lost the purpose of the memorial. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And the maintenance is higher because of the traffic. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So there's just mulch in front of the flowers here. Is that correct? Or was this all mulch at one time? **Speaker 3:** It looks to me like if I had to guess that it was, that there was grass and stuff in there, and then the slides there, that they made them put chips in there, and now the chips just keep on getting kicked around, and they spread out and spread out and spread out, fill the grass. I mean, it's just, I don't know. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I would just approach the school, the board, the principal, and ask. Because, again, I think that the supervisor union has the say in what they do with playgrounds. I'm not in favor of it, but that's the way it is. If there's already a slide out there for all the students to use, and we can just request to remove it, the maintenance goes down, we proceed in, and away we go. And it's going to be a lot easier that way. If not, then ask them how they want to pay for the maintenance of the memorial that they actually brought up. What was the original agreement? It was the school that brought this in. But what was their agreement, sorry? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The volunteers. **Speaker 7:** The volunteers. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** When we asked them to cut the cushions down, which have not been cut down yet, they said they had no problem with it. I said, I don't think it will. I think Laurie's right. We better ask them out before they change to someone else again. **Speaker 3:** So, in the meantime, I will edge that bed. I will pull the weeds that are in there now. I will prune those big leaf hydrangeas, the sticks that are all in the big leaf hydrangeas. Oh, yeah. So, it will look crisper and nicer for the time being. Okay. But I think you should just talk to the school board about that slide. Yeah. And be like, yeah, do we really want the slide here? Like, it doesn't belong there. So, you mean edge the bed right along this line? See that line that I drew? **Speaker 13:** Yes, okay. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Like, in essence, right there. Not one activity is done outside these fences. **Speaker 12:** No. **Speaker 3:** No, I don't think, I mean, when they put the fence up, they created, like, the kids stay in here. Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And everyone else stays out here. Well, we talked to them about this fence over here. The younger children use that one over there where that slide is. Right. And they said that they kept, they definitely keep them in. You know, because they asked for other types of stuff, which I don't think they ever did. **Speaker 12:** I don't think so. **Speaker 3:** But they were asking for them. Yeah. So, I mean, it doesn't want to have playground equipment for children who are in town, but it just doesn't make sense for that slide to be separate from all the other playground equipment just in a place that doesn't really make sense. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's right. If they already have another slide, if they didn't, I would say, okay, well, what does it cost to move this slide over there? **Speaker 2:** They only have the twirly side. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. If they want to move that and it costs a couple hundred bucks, you know, then we'll go from there. You know? I don't think it's going to cost a thousand dollars to move this slide, you know? Well, the problem is you've got to get, because of the supervisory union, everything has to be done by the book. You can't just go volunteer, pick up a slide, bring it over, put it back down. You're going to say, well, you know, did you put this in? **Speaker 3:** You've got to have the special chips, too. You can't just throw up these problems. We installed two playgrounds in North Adams and we had to buy very special, certified, you know, chips that were, like, absolutely perfect for playgrounds and they have to be, **Speaker 11:** it's a whole big deal. **Speaker 1:** I used to inspect them for the housing playgrounds. Oh, yeah. All the bolts have got to be accounted for. The screws have got to be all tightened up. **Speaker 14:** We went from having **Speaker 3:** giant slides like that with nothing underneath them. In fact, they might even have blacktop underneath them. So now we're going to have, you know, 12 inches plus of specialized, certified wood chips that come from a special place and they cost a fortune. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I went to Haskins school. We didn't have grass. We weren't allowed to go out on an old field. That was our field trip. That's where we went on our field trip. We went off the blacktop onto the grass. We played kickball. We had a slide. It was all blacktop. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Remember lawn darts and things you could let go? No, we used to use the jackknife, though. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So after the meeting, he asked me about lawn darts. I got a proposal for you if you want to put your name in. I happen to have a machine shop. **Speaker 7:** So what are we going to do? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Ask the school if they want to move the slide. Is that what we want? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. Not move. Take it out. Is it? If they already have one. If they want to replace it. There's a different kind of slide. Load up. There's a spiral-like corkscrew out there. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Loam where the slide is now. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The kids are in school. Don't use the slide. They'll probably say there has to be a separation. **Speaker 3:** Once the slide is gone, we're going to remove all those chips that don't belong. They've got to all be moved. Then in mid to late August, it needs to be loamed and seeded. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The original agreement was they would take care of it. We'll work with them. So that's the first thing. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Are they going to do it? **Speaker 3:** School? **Speaker 1:** Any volunteers? **Speaker 3:** That's the only reason why it's going to be expensive. I'm sure it's on footings. You would think it's on footings. If it's not, when you move it, it will be on footings. It's not going to take 10 minutes. No. Can I keep this picture? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You can probably get things for it. **Speaker 7:** Do you want to go to the school board **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** with this and ask them about it? **Speaker 1:** I don't know. **Speaker 8:** Can I say something? Jane? I walked around the building yesterday. The main reason was because there was fire out there and we didn't want to set the alarm. Someone was somewhere in the building. There was something out there and it's nice. **Speaker 8:** The whole area is kind of a blight. So is this an opportunity to do some pruning? Maybe cut those eyesores down and cut out this window? Is it bad looking? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We went down this road before and I thought we said cut them. If you want to have John and you want to ask if we're going to do it. If not, **Speaker 15:** or if he's going to charge extra. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You get a price. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Again, cut it down. Did the school say **Speaker 7:** they were going to cut them or we cut them? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** These over here, they said go ahead and cut them. We didn't ask. **Speaker 3:** Just cut them. We talked about this when I was on the select board. You were going to cut them all down. They're covering this beautiful stonework that's on this building. I hate to volunteer someone but one of the tree companies as they're driving back into town literally with their chipper come out here cut the thing down and throw it in the chipper and continue driving home. It's like a half an hour. I don't have a chipper. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I do it. Be honest. As far as the board is concerned, I say cut them. **Speaker 9:** If you want a motion, **Speaker 8:** I'll make a motion to cut them. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They're all horrible. Why would you leave them here? You're right. Talk about this **Speaker 16:** for another 10 years. **Speaker 1:** They're broken **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** and all tangled. The old junipers. **Speaker 1:** I thought we were going to cut them. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** A long time ago. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** At least three times. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Over there in front of the kindergarten room I think John said they're growing into the foundation. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They said there was a question of do they give privacy and then we talked about this is at a meeting outside the meeting. But then they said what if you had say there was a fire and you had to use the window **Speaker 13:** and you can't even get out of there. **Speaker 3:** They're horrible. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If you cut them down **Speaker 3:** There's actually wood behind this side. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yes, they're horrible. It's nice wood behind here. **Speaker 7:** There's no reason to do that. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Cut them. We already said what to cut. We talked to Julie. I don't know if he was there. He was there. In the A.R. he said go ahead. We just need to do it. Is there any documentation? No. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** There was no meeting. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We definitely said cut. If you wanted to say we've got something to do with it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Did he come in the school board **Speaker 7:** and tell them afterwards or no? After they're gone. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** He's here to ask for forgiveness, right? They have a regular meeting now. **Speaker 5:** It's a long time. **Speaker 4:** The last Tuesday of the month or something. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Negotiation meetings. We could at some point just need to find somebody to do it to get it done. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Just do it. If there is a tree you've got to come and buy it and now we're asking this too. **Speaker 7:** But if John wants to do it and he says it's going to cost extra **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Bring back the number. He's got kids in school. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** To me, I don't. We've talked about it. **Speaker 3:** I know. He did pop into my head. Again, I'm not volunteering. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You can ask him. If someone wants to do it for free that's good. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That would be wonderful. Anything else under discussion? Correspondence story **Speaker 2:** in your box. A municipal impact questionnaire to fill out. This is a process that we call the 250 process **Speaker 2:** to reopen the gravel lane. It's one of the many steps that they need to take. So they've asked if you guys could **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** fill it out. I think we looked at it before. **Speaker 17:** You probably want it **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** and I have to fill it out online. Kurt, do you have it? **Speaker 1:** I didn't fill it out. **Speaker 18:** I didn't know if we were all filling it out. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We'll give it to Lori so she can fill it out. Fire protection, yes? Police protection. Municipality does not provide. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** State? Rescue? Yes. Road maintenance? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I put state. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yep. Solid waste disposal. Is it going to... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What does that mean? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Is it going to... Do we have the capacity to provide the following services without unreasonable burdens for the above project? I don't think it's going to be any more burdensome. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I put yes because we do have **Speaker 7:** the waste disposal body. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What would they have for waste? **Speaker 1:** You're not going to have that kind of waste? **Speaker 3:** No, I don't think so. No, it would be more like maybe if you were cutting trees down or something and you were putting the trees in the landfill or something. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think that many trees would probably have a load there somewhere. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You could put that all in there and they won't be bothering you. Water, private water, private sewer. Yep. Those are lower than municipality business. I put the above. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Municipality does not provide. State, would the deficiencies occur without this project? Yes, they would. The deficiencies are common to many projects. Does this project create burdens which are inappropriate? Disproportionate to the taxes and user fees to be paid to the municipality. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So what deficiency is there? It said, would the deficiencies occur without this? What deficiency? **Speaker 1:** I don't understand that. Up above. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, I see. I understand. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'm thinking it was a deficiency to the town. Common to many projects. Does this project create an extra burden? No. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Same as the previous one. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And then, are you available to answer questions related to the above statement at an Act 250 hearing? Yeah, if it's here. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, if it's online. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't know what I can say, but we want to be nice. Okay. Anything else, Lori? Old business. I have a question. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I was going to say, in 2021 maybe, we got these hard things. **Speaker 13:** Oh, yes. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Defibrillators. And my card says it expires in 2025. And the reason why I looked at it is my daughter was asking if there's any CPR courses available. And so I think that we have a new board and these three members here haven't taken a course at all. I would like to have a refresher. Maybe we can reach out to Paul and have it refreshed. I'm sure you can. I mean, I'm not asking for tomorrow, but half the board now hasn't taken a course. I'm just trying to think. The defibrillator that's here in the hallway. There was three, wasn't there? School, town... The one in the school garage. auditorium alone was furnished **Speaker 1:** by the ambulance squad. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And we bought it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And we did, too. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I believe, right? Yes. And I'm sure... Yeah, I would like to at least see if we can get a... I'll ask. No hurry. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It would be nice to refresh. We're going to have them if someone should want them. And I don't know how close we are to **Speaker 1:** running something for firemen anyway. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Oh, this is dogs. **Speaker 2:** Are they coming in? Dogs are coming in. We've had several this week. Good. I think next... I think that even just having it in the **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** minutes made a difference. Can we publish the dog list again **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** like we did last year? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Publicly shame them like that? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well... It's all right when the board has two people. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. You didn't publish delinquent taxes but we do. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, it's not read out loud in the meeting because there's too many of them. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Jed, have you been able to contact Green Mountain Express or Movers? **Speaker 1:** I have. I haven't heard anything back yet. Okay. So I'm still in it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Any other new business? You asked. **Speaker 7:** Okay. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I want to say everybody have a wonderful Fourth of July. Be safe and make good decisions and enjoy. **Speaker 3:** Wow. Last time it was good too. Last time it was good too. It's getting better. We've got to start causing some trouble in town. Mike, don't do that. We've got to go back out where it's warm. Thank you.