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title: "Stamford Select Board — May 21, 2026"
date: 2026-05-21
session: regular
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present: [Nancy L. Bushika, Kurt Gamari, Jedidiah Gramlin, Michael G. Denault]
absent: [John Dunn]
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# Stamford Select Board — May 21, 2026

**Session:** Regular · **Duration:** 41 min · [Audio](https://drive.google.com/file/d/17bIKNRtZob2_pHf6RAqgXv_-0QSdNDvy/view?usp=sharing) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%205-21-26.pdf)

**Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Kurt Gamari, Jedidiah Gramlin, Michael G. Denault
**Absent:** John Dunn

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**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No action was taken in the executive session.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Hearing of visitors.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We're back in our regular meeting now. Thank you all for coming, for waiting out there for five more minutes. Any visitors here for a matter to present before the board? Okay. Rodney Holland, I guess, is not coming tonight?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Doesn't seem to be.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What did we want to ask him about the water situation, how he tested it?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, is he going to want her to come? No, I asked him to come. Oh, okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Do we still want to keep him on the agenda?

**Speaker 1:** I mean, it doesn't seem like he's going to come.

**Speaker 2:** Well.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Let's wait and see if we have a water problem again.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, he could be scaring a visitor. Yeah.

**Speaker 3:** Okay. That's where we're going.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We'll wait and see.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We'll give him his five, 20 minutes anyway. Just have him do everything else.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All right. Reading and approval of records and orders. Regular minute of May 7th. And I think we need to approve May 5th also.

**Speaker 4:** Yeah, I listed on the agenda.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You should.

**Speaker 5:** All right.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** May 7th, we were all here.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Motion, motion. Seconded, seconded. Eight.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** May 5th. No, wait a minute. May 5th. Where was May 5th? What did we do May 5th? May 5th. I'll accept John. Okay.

We got who made the motions for both of them?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Second. All in favor? Yes. All right. Highway update. Dave. It's been a while since I've been here. We've been operating . Looks good.

**Speaker 6:** Looks good. They're sending a bill or we're sending a bill? Paul's. I think we need to spend our commission to Paul and then it'll be approved.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. All right.

**Speaker 7:** All right. Do we have all the bills yet? I know they just picked up the two dumpsters, the last dumpster the other day.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We'll have one more dumpster and payroll. We don't have a lot of them. Well, it looks nice over there now. Yeah. Hopefully, we'll be able to keep that area because we set up shop for that. Any thought maybe to sell it to the town or give it to the town for a dollar?

**Speaker 7:** Does the state store anything in there? Why wouldn't we take it?

**Speaker 8:** I don't know.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't know. I don't know.

**Speaker 6:** I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Why wouldn't we take it? We don't get taxes from the state anyways, so why wouldn't we take it?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Very little. We get a little, but, not, yeah, I don't know.

We already are using them.

**Speaker 6:** Mm babel Hmm. We have, we kind of have to ask them permission when we do, you know projects. And it's actually a good spot because it's down the river.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

**Speaker 5:** That's a floodplain there. Is it? Yeah, that would flood right away.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Everything is a floodplain. Yeah.

**Speaker 3:** That side is. Is there a house in the floodplain?

**Speaker 9:** Your house? Yes. Oh, my house. I'm going there.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So there's a floodplain on that side of the river and a floodplain on this side of the river, right?

**Speaker 5:** Yeah. And the state garage is right in a bowl there.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think we make too much of the floodplains. I mean, I bet you that's never flooded. I don't think the garage has ever flooded.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No. We've been up four, three feet in our garage. Yeah.

**Speaker 6:** And almost over our pool. Our cabin chassis arrived at Claremont. Oh, good. So that's going to happen.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I see we made the last payment on one of the trucks.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** How much can you get for that?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I can get for every letter now. Let's trade that baby in. Paid $626. Yay. But, we'll have another one. Keep on going. Did you get the 911 signs yet for the garage and salt? No, I did order them. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I don't mind. I mean, we're sending letters to people that are in violation and we have two violations. They're ordered if I have them and put them off.

**Speaker 6:** Yeah.

**Speaker 10:** Does the sweeper have to come before they... Before the shim

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** and chip seal? Or do they do their own?

**Speaker 6:** They should come before the chip seal shims. But the other's blacked out in the gravel, so they're not going to sweep.

Right, right. I'll have to push them if it gets cold. I did talk to the guy today and he was supposed to get back to me and let me know. Okay. I mean, I don't think any of our you know, patrons are done.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I thought we did that. I thought they always did it.

**Speaker 6:** Yeah, we always do. I mean, it's something that they used to do years ago because we used to do a lot more sand on the roads. So, you know, come spring there was a lot of sand. But now we don't use as much. Not muddy sand, it's little pisto.

**Speaker 11:** What do you have, Laura? You had something? A certification of compliance

**Speaker 7:** that our town road and bridge standards meet the Vermont state specifications because they send them to us. Okay. All of us?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Anything else, Dave, on roads? How about recycling? Things going okay there? Has Bud just showed up at all?

**Speaker 6:** No, I don't know how he's doing. It is kind of annoying

**Speaker 12:** my bike, so it has about 45 knots. When you call to get someone to talk to you?

**Speaker 2:** Actually be able to get what you want. Are you kidding me? One into one into one.

**Speaker 1:** At Casella? Yeah. God was on the phone probably for in total I called back several times last week. Three hours. Casella? It's definitely not on TAM.

**Speaker 6:** I mean, TAM was a five minute phone call. And they have now on their menu

**Speaker 13:** about five. So it's supposed to be faster? Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** I have like three, four different times I've tried every number just to try to get something out. Billing, whatever. I was just trying to get my dumpster emptied out. Literally. And then you can't do it via email. Tried that. I actually got through. Who do you have for dumpster? Casella. It's a monopoly. Everyone expects a sold one. Everything's monopolized now. So expect long waits and poorer service. I did try. I got it priced.

It's 1910. I know where to hire. Zero problems. Pick up the phone. Oh yeah. Call me. Right to the house. Use 12. Who's that? Casella?

**Speaker 1:** I mean, definitely not. Yeah, that's more individually personalized. That's how TAM used to do it. Yes. Same owner expenses. Is there, can we do business with them?

**Speaker 12:** It's, I call them. The price is significant.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I call them. It's over that. I just called them the other day and said, hey, your prices went up. I'm going to start shopping around. They call me back the next day and lower my price. I said, they're still, they're still less expensive than

**Speaker 6:** the old. Because they go after all the other. It depends where they. Monopoly.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Where they bring it. Sure. We're just religious.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Anything else, Dave, that you have? Dave, that you guys know? Okay. Let's go. Guidelines for appointments. Lori, we accepted them last week. They have to be in writing to Lori. And why we said that is because she doesn't check her email. I mean, she's busy at 4 o'clock. She's not checking it every 5 minutes. And sometimes it doesn't get here right away. So, it's got to be here. Yeah. Could be in the

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** junk. Because we did, we have this now and we changed the way we're doing things, we should notify every single board member that these are our new guidelines. So, you know what I mean? So, two years now, just like we've heard from people already, you know, oh, I have to send you a letter. Well, yeah. You didn't tell me I didn't know. You should tell everybody. Whether it's just give it to the chairman of your board and let you guys communicate to your board members. We should do that at the very least. You know, email them whatever. Say, here's our new bylaws or new rules.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Can you send it to the committees that we appointed? We will be when your position is up, two weeks before the first Selectmen's meeting in March. We will announce it at our meeting and it's up to you to get the letter to us by the first Select Board meeting in March if you're interested in holding that position. Elected position, the same. The candidate will submit a letter of interest within two weeks of an advertised notice. So, we know at town meeting, no one was elected as library trustee. Send a letter to the library, well, yeah, we appoint and send it to us. And then we will any vacancies created midterm, they will submit a letter of interest to the Select Board within two weeks of the advertised notice. The only ones we don't appoint is health officer, fire warden,

**Speaker 7:** and justice of the peace. When I pulled those files just to check on that and who actually makes the appointments, it's the Vermont Department of Health who appoints a health officer. If we don't recommend anyone, the Select Board is automatically the Board of Health.

**Speaker 14:** I'm going to recommend someone. So we recommend them.

**Speaker 7:** Luke was recommended for a term beginning April 1, 2023 expiring March 31, 2026. Did we appoint? We haven't yet.

**Speaker 1:** Oh, I thought we did.

**Speaker 7:** We can only recommend somebody. I thought we did.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Maybe we did a look in the paper. Yeah, because it said something. I got a weird email about that.

**Speaker 15:** Perhaps when you're thinking about a health officer, it should be a health officer with some experience of doing health officer stuff for the

**Speaker 16:** dog bites. Mostly for dog bites in the thousands.

**Speaker 17:** I know why Luke did it because he doesn't have to chase down a health officer. But there's a lot more to being a health officer in the community.

**Speaker 18:** A lot more. The state doesn't allow you to do that. I'm just saying there's a lot of things you could do.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** He did investigate one and brought it to us on one level and he was in contact with the state and the state said, this is what you've got to do.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So far he's been doing all right. I'm not saying anything bad about Luke. He's a great guy. I don't see anybody bending down the door. And by the way, he donated those loggers that are not signed.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes, it was on my notes here to say thank you.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, because I was going to steal them, but now I know it came from Luke. I went over and got them

**Speaker 18:** and put the brackets up.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm not happy with the sign. I'd like to have it. Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You weren't going to mention that word again, you said. I'm sorry.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** How much does it cost? I'll donate something for that. How about fire warden? The fire warden

**Speaker 7:** from the Forest, Parks and Recreation appoints. They can appoint with or without your recommendation, but usually the candidate fills out an appointment form and you guys agree to it and submit it to the state. These go through June 30th when we're going to want to be thinking about these two positions as well.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I wonder if they, if the Department of Forest notifies them.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, how do they do it? Do they give a letter of interest?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Say, you're done?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The minute we say we recommend this person, that's it.

**Speaker 7:** There was one point in May 2017 where the Forest Service was on their game and submitted a letter saying we'd like to have you appoint somebody. support these guys being reappointed. But it hasn't happened since then.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, let's put it in our minutes that the fire warden's appointments with the state will soon be up. Any interested candidates, fill out the form.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What do you want to do with Luke, though? With the health, I mean, right now it's open.

**Speaker 7:** Well, Laura's going to check and see. You know, when we did the March reappointments, we may have reappointed him

**Speaker 11:** and it's just...

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Check your email because there was a weird email and it said something about him. Something weird about him.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, I just don't want to wait because, just like you said, if he has to go get a health officer for a dog problem, then he has to get a whole

**Speaker 19:** us as a board, or us as

**Speaker 1:** one of us. I always viewed it as the health officer was kind of the arm, the investigative arm of the whole entire select board, which is the board of health. So we've always been the board of health. He just kind of goes out and investigates the issues

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** and comes back and gives us... But if he's not involved, then we would have to... Say he's not appointed at this point. Or he doesn't want to go anymore. Can he come to just one of us? That's what I'm asking. Or do we have to have a special meeting every time this happens? Well, if he's not involved, then one of us has to do it. So if it's a dog...

**Speaker 1:** But if it's a dog... What do you think? Do we have to do it as a board, or just one of us? He'd already be involved. Or the chair does it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No, I think the vice chair does it.

**Speaker 20:** I don't have a problem with that.

**Speaker 18:** I think you need to appoint somebody like an LA officer. That's what I'm wondering.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Can you check on that and see what

**Speaker 20:** happened?

**Speaker 18:** Just a scenario. Say you have a lock-in or a person that's homebound. Like a

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** wellness check or something. Yeah.

**Speaker 21:** Well, it's happened recently.

**Speaker 18:** No, I haven't. In Pittsfield, we found most of our bodies on Monday morning. I'm sorry I didn't say that.

**Speaker 21:** No, I understand.

It's a true story. It's been eight and a half years of public housing and I hear it. I know.

**Speaker 6:** And so then the same thing with the Justice League. Not only did the person send it up to...

**Speaker 7:** The governor appoints. If we had like the Democrats or Republicans, if we had party affiliations, they would make the recommendations, but all of our JPs are independent. So...

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So we have one applicant for justice of the peace. And we did advertise for it. So can you send it up to the governor?

**Speaker 7:** Yeah, if you do, make a motion to record it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think it was Natalie.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Motion. Second.

**Speaker 6:** All in favor? I think Natalie was one before. She was. She was the only one that didn't get picked. Like they were all...

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right, yeah. She would be the next one in line anyway. So I think it's important to do that.

**Speaker 7:** Yeah, good thing.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes, hopefully he does it soon except with that. Lori made the changes and I didn't. I did not print out a clean copy, but I saw it. Justice of the peace vacancy. We just appointed Natalie. Planning commission vacancy. We have... We interviewed two candidates tonight and we've got one more to interview which will be next Tuesday at... If you would let her know. Yep.

**Speaker 7:** Any other correspondence, Lori? We've got some employee permits that have come in from new people. Structural wood core from Waddington, New York and Mick Elway contracting from Harrisburg, Vermont. They've got the insurance.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And the money. And the money.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Motion.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We're doing better when we don't ask the people. Yeah, yeah.

**Speaker 3:** All in favor?

**Speaker 1:** Who did the second?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Somebody down there.

Second.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I said it. Other old business.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I just... Way back we were talking about our joint meeting with the school. Yes. And library at the time. And we said it seemed like at that meeting there was a lot of interest to have more joint meetings or more often. Did we ever set any dates or should we? I know summer's tough for people to have a bunch of meetings, but I don't want to let that fall through the cracks and two years from now have problems instead of you know, being proactive and talking about it all the time. It just seems like a lot of things are going on with the state involved. I just want to keep on and all that. Minimum we should meet at least twice a year. So if you guys want to think about what month or whatever I'm going to do it, we just did it last month. Do it again. Maybe October or September. Just to keep us in the loop of not just the school

**Speaker 9:** but all our boards. You want all boards?

**Speaker 5:** Or just the school and library?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think we should do both. But yeah, if we have all boards that's a lot. But if we did, you know, all boards are good once a year I think. But the school board, we're very, you know, when we let it go we end up getting like pence. We're almost accusing each other.

**Speaker 9:** To the school and the library.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So I'd like to look at that again.

**Speaker 5:** Try for October?

**Speaker 9:** Sounds good to me.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Set up. Because I did read something in their, on their agenda about merger. What's the merger? Who are they merging with? Anybody know?

**Speaker 17:** The governor is trying to make everybody

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** merge.

**Speaker 5:** But if they shut the school down.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Because it's costing a fortune to run the school.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The school is shut down in Reedsboro. So can't they just send the kids here? They are. It's recorded.

**Speaker 11:** Is there a way to watch this?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Why do we need a merger?

**Speaker 16:** So that's on them.

**Speaker 17:** Whatever choices they make. The choice that they allowed them to do there was to merge. They gave them an option to go to Savoy and Massachusetts. Because school is a choice.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, I'm not a big fan of our Vermont tax dollars going to Massachusetts. No, absolutely not. People will say, well their tax dollars come here, but how many people from North Adams or Clarksburg go to Reedsboro? Maybe Stamford might get one or two. But it just seems like that's a whole school that just goes down. And we're going to give them an option to go to Massachusetts.

**Speaker 22:** That was on the school agenda

**Speaker 15:** of the Reedsboro students.

**Speaker 18:** Want to see what happens? I don't agree with it. There's like ten of them.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I met with a guy Monday or Tuesday I think it was up in Manchester. And he's employed by an independent school in Manchester. And he said, we just got talking about schools and how I was told, no, it can't be done. Well, it can be done. An independent school. They're 80% public, 20% private. So the private part is tuition based. But the public base is your Vermont tax dollars follow the student. This place is unbelievable. And I can't remember her name. Yeah. It's unbelievable. You want to talk about some serious cha-ching going on there.

**Speaker 15:** And academics.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Just to be in there.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And this gentleman

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** said that if we need help he would help us. Not that I want to get involved in the school. But I'm just saying that I could pass that information along. Who knows?

**Speaker 7:** We could get a bus up there. You'd steal a lot of people away from

**Speaker 14:** the options there.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Because you look at it like this is you know, the way things are going right now is the state saying you must. They're not saying we would like you to. We're almost telling everybody you gotta consolidate. The reason why is they're failing the system. That's my opinion. But you look at it and you look at the numbers and then you say, how can you not teach? 60, 70 students with two and a half to three million dollars. How can you not? And it's not the teacher's fault. You look at where the money's going. We all know. I sat here the other day. I don't want to get too deep into the school thing. But I sat here the other day at the school and I said, you guys have a formula that no one understands. Everybody passes. And then the following year, by the time you study it and figure out the formula, you change it. And you know what the board said? You're right. That's scary.

**Speaker 7:** Lisa, can we just go back to the planning commission?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So you're interviewing on Tuesday. When will you be appointing?

**Speaker 5:** We hope the following meeting.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So before June 8th. I think we should actually have an executive session at the beginning of the following meeting so we can decide and then we can appoint.

**Speaker 7:** Yes. On the same night. So I can put on my June 8th agenda

**Speaker 11:** that we organize our board.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** When's our next meeting?

**Speaker 1:** I don't know. June Thursday?

**Speaker 14:** The 8th is Monday.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, it's the 4th. Yeah. So we'll have that last interview. We'll sit down and talk to each other and say, what do you think? And then we can make a nomination.

**Speaker 7:** We've been down in person for a long time now. What was that?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We've just been down in person. And then you can restructure and do all that out.

**Speaker 14:** And we want to wait until we have a full board.

**Speaker 7:** What was that? You can make your executive session and decide then so you would actually know on Tuesday. You could do that.

**Speaker 9:** Right after the interview.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Don't matter to me. Sooner and better.

**Speaker 5:** Yes.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Mike, I do have a question about that. Do we have to make motions to nominate in public? I think we do. So I just want to make sure we do that. We don't want to have anybody say we're somewhere else. I believe so.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We just do stuff.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No, I'm trying to do it the best we can. I know.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. We did receive the school board and select board that were at the all-board school meeting. We did receive a letter from the superintendent saying he's sorry he couldn't make our meeting even tonight. But he'll be happy to talk to us any time. So maybe he can come in October. Yes. But the letter seemed to be very nice. I apologize if my actions ruffled feathers and it sounded like a soft letter. Well, that's good.

**Speaker 6:** It sounds like he said he watched it. It sounds like he listened to what we all had to say.

**Speaker 10:** And that's good.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So maybe we're all in the same cave.

**Speaker 9:** Maybe what we did was worth it then.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Just talk to us. Well, what do we have to do Monday? We all parked over at the school. The church. The school yard. We had no problem. And we had a BMX bicycle here. And the kids were wild. Lori and I are watching. Our kids did all that without helmets.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** When I was up to that school, the reason why I was up there, I was looking to buy a boat. And the guy's storing the boat at the maintenance department up there. And while I was up there, we're up in the athletic fields and stuff. I heard something in the woods. And I said, look, a bunch of kids are going by there trail riding. That's part of their curriculum is trail riding. They got all their gear on. It was pretty neat. And they had a little cross going over here.

**Speaker 9:** It was very impressive.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Here they had some teacher volunteers to lay down. Jump over? Yeah. I used to meet my brother doing that. I know. And we're thinking, oh,

**Speaker 3:** is this going to teach the kids to jump over their brother or something?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You guys did it, right, Kirk? I'm sure you did.

**Speaker 18:** I've done a lot of stuff. The swelling hasn't gone down.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It was fun. It was fun to watch the kids having so much fun.

**Speaker 3:** I did like it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Anything else?

**Speaker 1:** I can tell you that.

**Speaker 3:** I'm lucky to get a Huffy.

**Speaker 2:** It's like a Zare special.

**Speaker 5:** Zares, yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They can chop around you. Go weld that up for you. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Any other correspondence? Laura, you're good? Okay. Old business. I sent you all the 911 numbering list update. And I talked to Bob Briggs and the letters will be going out in a couple of days to the people that do not have their 911 numbers displayed properly. And we did bring it up

**Speaker 7:** at the alpha mold there.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. There's a few of them that are going to be sent up there, too. And on the back of it, thank you for giving us that diagram. But Laurie had a nice one on the computer, too. So we sent that along and hopefully we're good. And if they don't put them up, well, what can we do? New business. Or any other old business. New business. Laurie, you had tax anticipation note. Oh, yes, I did.

**Speaker 5:** Oh, thank you.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Good thing you wrote that down. I wasn't going to.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Maybe $350,000 left in your bank.

**Speaker 7:** I need to pay the school $219,000 probably within the next three or four weeks. So I think that we need to borrow at least $200,000 because tax money won't start coming in. The state isn't going to set the rate until July. You guys won't approve your rate until after that. August is probably the earliest I could bill. And I don't know how long it's going to take. I don't know if there will be any upfront costs from highway projects and whatnot that I should be more prepared for and consider. Last year I borrowed $300,000

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** to get us through. So maybe this helps that we've

**Speaker 11:** consolidated all that money.

**Speaker 7:** Plus I'm wondering if we can just bring it down to $200,000 and get by the borrowing tax.

I think the auditor was hoping

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** we wouldn't have to borrow at all, but that's not going to work.

**Speaker 7:** I haven't yet until I talked to you guys. There was a thought here in the office of maybe doing a home equity, well a line of credit as opposed to just a flat borrowing the full amount. And I don't know if that would be a better way to go and if the rates would be better. Because then you only pay the interest

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** on what you're using at the time.

**Speaker 7:** Yeah, but find out about this.

**Speaker 14:** I think we talked about that once before.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The line of credit is

**Speaker 7:** a little bit long. Yeah, I don't know what would be better.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think we're down to five and a quarter now. But that's one bank. Yes, look into it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The $200,000, whichever works best.

**Speaker 5:** Because then you can ask for

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** a line of credit at $300,000 and you don't have to borrow it all. Pay what you would take.

**Speaker 7:** Right. I don't know, Dave, a few different costs that I should plan to borrow more.

**Speaker 6:** When we discussed it with them last time, we were just going to pay when it was done. Fairfield was anticipating October.

**Speaker 7:** My concern is

**Speaker 6:** anything that's going to be done

in June, I'm sure we'll have a 30-day bill on that. So that's quite a bit. But we're going to take a loan for that as well. That's a big loan. Five years. So that's going to be different

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** from on the 11th of June. And really so is the draw. I'd look into that line of credit and see if the rates are close. As you borrow, you pay. You're just paying on that money. And the rest of it's just sitting there just in case.

**Speaker 6:** We were going to use some of it. National Forest?

**Speaker 7:** Yeah. You know, I did include all of the funds in my calculation of only needing $200,000. So we might want to rethink the number. Because you're right, we did say we would borrow from that. Say we would borrow from that.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Land sale, yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't want you to cut yourself short.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The land sale was the

**Speaker 7:** paving. You looked at getting a $300,000 line of credit for, or a flat loan if I'm required to. It'll just be paid off in November. See what works. See what works.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't know how it works if there's a difference between municipalities. I have a line of credit. They just approved me. I've never used it. I've used it in my first three years. And every time they change the interest rates they just send me a letter saying if you borrow, this is your new interest rate. But I've never used it. I've never borrowed on it. But just in case if I needed it, it's there. So I need to say, yeah, we know you can borrow up to a quarter of a million dollars.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Here you go. See if they allow towns to do that.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't know. It's just sitting there.

You never pay a dime on it. Well, we'll see.

**Speaker 7:** I don't remember.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't even remember if we I'm trying to remember way back when if we ever had to use a line of credit. We always borrowed.

**Speaker 17:** It's always a little bit more than a regular loan.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, I was going to say it's not much because I just borrowed money for a machine, you know, a leased machine, and it was right

**Speaker 5:** within a quarter percent.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** But the use is, probably you can get the money quicker or it's there.

**Speaker 9:** Just transfer it to your account.

**Speaker 5:** It's there if you need it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Because it's all on paper. Nobody touches the money. So they just go, okay, I'm transferring it to this account. Just tell them and away it goes.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Anything else new business guys? I have dogs. How are they doing? They're coming in well. Because the end of the month we get the list. Do we have a lot of dogs? Or same dogs?

**Speaker 7:** Always the same dogs.

**Speaker 5:** Always the same dogs.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Always the same. Tax is always the same. Is a gremlin still on the list? Gremlin? They could be. They could be. We'll wait until we humiliate people.

We did that last year. I just saw him look and she cringed and like

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Don't worry. It's like the town, we're sending letters about 911. We are. They put them signs up. Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Any other new or old business

or anything to discuss? Motion to adjourn. Second. All in favor? Very good.