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title: "Stamford Select Board — March 30, 2026"
date: 2026-03-30
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present: [Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, Kurt Gamari]
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# Stamford Select Board — March 30, 2026

**Session:** Regular · **Duration:** 55 min · [Audio](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hMF4X2vpAHoMk9EIKIlsYYHyXWCBaMUU/view?usp=sharing) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%203-30-26.pdf)

**Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, Kurt Gamari
**Absent:** Jedidiah Gramlin

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**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yes?

Yeah. Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Welcome to a meeting of the Stamford Slack Board. If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address. But we're going to limit this discussion just to library use. If anything else, we'll take up a regular select board meeting. So, who's the chairman of the library? Tina? Nope, Linda. I am. Linda, okay. We did get copies of your letter, so I guess libraries first, and tell us what's...

**Speaker 1:** I'm not really the voice, so I'm not comfortable in this situation. Okay. So if Tina doesn't mind. Sure.

**Speaker 2:** So last week on... Monday, we received an email from the superintendent of the Supervisory Union saying that he was closing the library for the next three weeks during our Tuesday and Thursday hours that coincide with the school day. So from 12 to 3 for the next three weeks. He said that he was going to close the library, and it was going to be used for a testing place for the students. And so we scheduled... We scheduled an emergency meeting and met and discussed, and then we created a reply and sent that back to him saying... Giving a few reasons and some... Just some validation for why we thought that was a bad idea. It was significant. It was about 40% of our hours were being reduced for that three-week period, and we felt like they've been doing state testing for years and have never needed to utilize... the library space. Also, the state allocates a three-week testing window. So from today for the next three academic weeks, they could be scheduling the testing any time. And so if they couldn't manage testing schedule without the library, they could have easily scheduled for days that we were not open. They could have used Monday, Wednesday, Friday as their testing days. So we said... Well, we also have a place for requesting use of the library. So we also asked, you know, like, you can follow our procedure if you want and we'll review the request, but we're not going to close for the next three weeks. And he replied that we were, in fact, going to close. And so that's when we reached out to contact you guys because we're not sure how to move forward. He also brought up in his correspondence a couple different... points, but one of them is... This is the second time he's mentioned it. The other time was verbally. But in writing this time, he referenced the Reedsboro Library, which is... Well, we know their situation is changing right now since their school is going to be closing, but the supervisory union no longer allows the Reedsboro Library to be open any time that the school is in operation. And that exceeds their 3 o'clock time... So they're only allowed to be open from 5 to 7 because of the WINGS program and the after-school programming. So that greatly reduced their hours. And so in the letter, he brought up Reedsboro and said, well, you have the exact wording. Yeah.

**Speaker 3:** So he doesn't have authority over the town library, as far as I know.

**Speaker 4:** So that's one of my questions I'm going to ask you right away is,

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** when he... When they closed the Reedsboro Library, the supervisory union came in and said, it's closed. Yeah, actually... How did that go about with the slut men up there?

**Speaker 2:** Cindy, we talked... I talked to Cindy, and she has a lot more details because she is the librarian up there. But I guess seven or eight years ago, their school actually got signed over to that building, rather, got signed over to the school. Like, now that they're closing, it actually has to be... The ownership of the building has to be... The ownership of the building has to be transferred back to the town.

**Speaker 5:** Separate system.

**Speaker 2:** He referenced that twice. Once, like I said, was verbally to me. It was... I don't know if it was during open meeting. No, it was not. It wasn't. Yeah. So he... But he did say... He has said that to me before, that he would close us during school hours. And that was when I was asking for a key to the bathroom because back in November or December, November, maybe... They changed the lock. They changed the lock on us. We had been using a key. And this was, oh, my gosh, probably five or six years ago. We went to the school board and we asked them if we could have a key to that door, which is locked, obviously, during school time, but so that we could utilize... We could access the bathrooms when the school is closed.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** How did you find out about the lock being changed? Just because you went to use it or did they tell you?

**Speaker 6:** No, I think she did tell us they were changing it. We know. We never were instructed. We never were officially notified. I mean, just because I'm there and also I'm on this...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, if there was an emergency, you couldn't get through that door.

**Speaker 6:** It ended up being, I don't know if you recall, a few weeks ago there was an incident in town, a violence incident in town that caused some feelings of unsafety, I guess, on the part of some people within the school. So I think it was sort of a reaction to that. Nothing... We were never notified officially to the library that anything wasn't going to happen. I just knew because I'm there, because at the time I was on the school board.

**Speaker 7:** And I think initially we were under the assumption

**Speaker 2:** we would be given a key. They were saying that they were putting a lock... A two-sided lock so that it could be accessed by either side. I don't think... I mean, I could only speak for myself, I guess, but none of us thought that meant you're no longer going to have a key.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right, a two-sided lock with no key.

**Speaker 2:** They just want to have another... A different access to school.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So do you have a two-sided lock now with no key? Is that correct?

**Speaker 2:** We have a key now.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You have a key. Okay.

**Speaker 2:** We had to go to the school board meeting. I went to the school board meeting and had a discussion with them. The superintendent made it very clear that he is against the library having a key. He said that. And he also said to the school board, I can't tell you no, but my opinion is no, they should not have a key. But the school board did vote to give us a key.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. And I have a question for Cindy about the Reedsboro Library. Is it closed during school hours because the only access to the library is through the school? Yes.

**Speaker 8:** And so he did... Okay. He could do what he did to us because we didn't have our access and because somebody along the lines back seven, eight years ago that was on the school board transferred ownership of that building to the school district. Okay. So he is... Well, he isn't, but the school board's in charge.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So they could actually sell... The school owns that building right now. They closed and they could sell that? They can't sell it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's a townspeople. Okay.

**Speaker 6:** So in response to Kurt's point that he doesn't have the authority, that the school board has the authority, he's also in his email made the point that it was a school board. But he's speaking on their behalf without their permission. And this is the first month that I am not on the school board. So the timing is rather convenient.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Now, maybe you know...

**Speaker 3:** How much of the library is supported on the town and how much is supported via the school?

**Speaker 9:** Roughly two-thirds is a town. One-third is a school.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Is that... I don't know. I'm not familiar.

**Speaker 2:** I did. I opened up the town report.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** One-third town.

**Speaker 2:** And if you review previous school budgets, well, they do... If you budget for it, many years there once go unspent. And then it goes...

**Speaker 3:** Well, hypothetically, without the town, the library is not...

**Speaker 2:** Oh, without the town, the library cannot function.

**Speaker 3:** But this one exists. Your third budget is kind of strange because... Do you want a library or not?

**Speaker 9:** They spent $2,500 in librarian cost last year. They budgeted $11,000. They budgeted $11,000 again this year and next year for $2,700. They budgeted $17,000. Mm-hmm. No idea whether...

**Speaker 2:** Right. And the purchase that was made, that was all actually done by Danielle. So on her... On the town library side, Danielle took the time to create a book order because, again, they weren't going to... They were spending no monies.

**Speaker 10:** That's where the money went?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes. Do they have a school librarian? Yes. There have been years where they haven't.

**Speaker 6:** They... In the last couple of years, they have had someone consider... But in pre... But even... Even when... I also did it. The other one I wanted to meet. Well, can I ask a question?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes. Is there any other day that could be used for testing? Why do they say Tuesday and Thursday? They do. They have a three-week window. Why don't they use the gym?

**Speaker 6:** They also have... They have three classrooms. They have... The principal's... The principal's office is a classroom. Yes. The special ed, which normally would be utilized for any child that's on 504 or an IEP, they would more than likely be testing separately from the classroom. Yes. And they also have... They also have... They also have... They also have... They also have... They also have... They also have... They also have a classroom group in a one-on-one situation or a small group situation. They have that. They have the music and art room. Music and art is only, I think, one or two days away. Where's the music and art room?

**Speaker 11:** It's now located... Way down?

**Speaker 6:** The last... Okay. Yeah. It has moved, but it's now located at the far end of the middle school area. So that is three large, empty, you know... Why not the gym?

**Speaker 12:** It seems awful.

**Speaker 3:** They also have the morning,

**Speaker 13:** 9 to 12,

**Speaker 6:** of Tuesday and Thursday. And... And... And... And... So there's 81 hours a week where they can use the lock. Oh, and the point I wanted to make before was that when the relies was installed, I started noticing that the library was being utilized on days that were not Wednesday, which is the day in the past, the only day that it's been used by the school. It, you know, there started being more trash every day. There started being things left behind. Kids were clearly using it. So you know, staff was clearly using it, I would come in and somebody would knock on the door and I would say, I'm sorry, I don't have the key. But it was like a staff member thinking a student and somebody else was in the room. So since the double lock was installed, they had clearly started utilizing it on non-library days. The other point is that we are a municipal library, even though we are located within what is considered the school building, we are not considered part of the school. And I did reach out to the Department of Libraries and they confirmed that.

**Speaker 14:** I think that one of the things that I found disturbing about this is just the assumption on the part of the superintendent that this is his space personally.

**Speaker 3:** Well, it seems like a power play to make it his space.

**Speaker 14:** And that there was no interest in trying to find a collaborative solution. There was no interest in trying to find any other space. It was just, this is what we're doing because I say this is what we're doing.

**Speaker 3:** It's a move on the library. It seems like he already had a trial run on Reedsboro. Yes. Pam.

**Speaker 15:** I think I also will speak with you early through today. So I hate to bring this up, but I'm sure you're going to remember, Mike, back in about 2019, 2020, the very, very beginning of COVID, one of the last meetings that we had here at the school. Yep. And the entire meeting was discussing how the... The state had decided that this entire school property, and I made the school board admit that they were talking about between the road and the river, the entire property was off limits during school hours and even on Saturdays and Sundays, if there was anything going on. And all of a sudden, this is starting to feel like that again.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, I remember him saying that. I also remember. I remember us disagreeing, or at least I was, and it was always, and Bill remembers, with the ownership and so on, and it is a power struggle, and someone mentioned compromise. This guy is not compromising at all.

**Speaker 15:** I mean, the only reason, we were, the town was about ready to go to war over this, and what happened was COVID came, the meeting stopped, and the whole thing just died. Right. And now, all of a sudden, here we are, back again, six years later, five years later.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** One thing I want to ask is, so these emails and all this communication, I don't see anything from the school board. Our representatives for the town, to the school, what's going on with that?

**Speaker 6:** I reached out to one school board member after, and I said, have you been made aware of what happened at the library? And he said, we were directly instructed. We were directly instructed at the last school board meeting to forward any questions about the library directly to the school board.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So he can go through them and decide what he wants to send out and what he doesn't?

**Speaker 6:** That's what they want.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's just a violation.

**Speaker 3:** Right. I mean, if he's moving on to the library now, it's only a matter of time before he comes for the town office. Yeah.

Absolutely.

**Speaker 3:** Okay. I mean, he's going to come for the whole school. Gene.

Gene. Can I ask a couple questions? No. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah. When did the library become a municipal library?

**Speaker 16:** A municipal library and not a community library?

**Speaker 6:** I don't know the exact date. I did reach out to Carol, and I want to say she said it was between 75 and 80. She didn't have an exact date.

**Speaker 16:** No, that's when it was clarified as a community library. And we had a board. The board consisted of two library trustees, two school board members, and the principal and the librarian. Yes. And we met. She said annually. No, it was, I would say it was at least twice a year we would meet. And we always met if there was a hiring situation, and it was well after that. So, I feel like that has been, we had one of the few community libraries in the state that we were truly classified as a community library. Our librarian had to be a certified teacher. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. We had to teach library science to children.

**Speaker 2:** I think that, not to jump in, but I think that is where it becomes prohibitive, because now a library, it's a master's degree at minimum. Right. So, we wouldn't.

**Speaker 16:** It wasn't to, I mean, Carol got in with.

**Speaker 2:** Right. But Trish didn't. She was. No.

**Speaker 17:** I don't.

**Speaker 16:** I think we applied. She said that she was going to pursue it. Yeah. And we went with it. Yeah, but I think on the community side. So are we no longer a community library? I guess that's my question.

**Speaker 6:** According to the state we are, that's what they have.

**Speaker 16:** They have us as a community library still. That I would, and it would be my opinion, and nobody cares, I'm sure, that there is jurisdiction of the town, equal jurisdiction with the town and the school.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, I agree. My point with the public library is the town votes on it. The board, you set your budget. The board is in charge of decision making. And the school has nothing to do with that. When you were talking about funding in the salaries of the librarians and so on, they have no, in my opinion, this is an opinion, but I'm going to find out, they have no right to take your livelihood away. If, no matter what that number is, they shouldn't be able to do that. I mean, if you're relying on that to pay your oil this week and it doesn't come in, that's wrong. I also have had, I guess you want to call it a run in, a couple times now with the superintendent. Even at the school board, or the school side of the meeting, town meeting, I asked a question. He rolled his eyes like he was bothered. He brought us around, I think you were there with this, all these mandates of what he wanted to do with safety. And in the name of safety, made a statement that these all need to be done when we told him go ahead, but we're not paying for it. Nothing got done. But it was, he does come across as it's his way or no way. He made a statement that he couldn't tell the school board no, but he had an opinion. That right there shows you he's got that little bit of fear that he knows he's doing something wrong. That all being said, this group of people here wanted to stay open, correct? Everybody here.

**Speaker 2:** Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I suggested this board immediately writes him an email, because I don't want to mail it out, I want to email so he gets it right away. The library will be open. And there is procedure for him to go through if he wants to use the library space, the town library space. When he goes through that, you people can decide whether or not you want to let him. But for him to mandate and demand, without going through procedure, just like we have to go through procedure when we use things over there, he's in violation of our procedure. And for him to come in. And just mandate, he's going to do this. And again, what's next? He comes in and says, OK, we're taking this space over next. Just testing the waters.

**Speaker 15:** It's wrong. I mean, you think that if he really just wanted to have a good relationship with the town, then he would not be approaching it. It's alarming that he is approaching it in this manner.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's right. And even his response to your response sounded a little evil.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Heavy, heavy, heavy too.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** A little evil. A little evil. I mean, I didn't think you were letting him do that.

**Speaker 15:** Your plan was to get him out and figure out what his game is.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** OK.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And what it is that he thinks is going to exist.

**Speaker 3:** Fire the first shot, see what happens. Follow the protocol.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What time is the library open on Tuesday and Thursday? It's 12. 12? It's from 12 to 6.

**Speaker 18:** 12 to 6.

**Speaker 1:** So when I sent that second email to them about the policy that we have, they did send a completed form back to us that was filled out by the principal. But it came from him to us, and that's when we sort of got in touch with the folks because we weren't. So they did fill out the form, but they didn't do it first. OK. And they said, she said, I have read the policy, but they sent it to me, and the policy says send it to the librarian.

**Speaker 14:** Well, and also, just submitting the form doesn't mean that we.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Exactly. Right. The permission wasn't granted. Right. Right.

**Speaker 2:** And his statement, though, in that second, second email is, I'm filling the form out for your records, but we are closing the library.

**Speaker 3:** Yes. No, we don't act on demand.

**Speaker 19:** OK.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So we should send something back saying, we understand there's other rooms available. How many children are going to be in there?

**Speaker 11:** Are they testing on there?

**Speaker 6:** That's another point I'd make to somebody. Half of the library, 3 quarters of the library is books. Yeah. You've got one for all of the accommodate, because there needs to be. There needs to be a certain amount of spacing. And if they're using it for a group or individual, I would say anywhere from one to six children. I was going to say six the most. I would say one to three.

**Speaker 20:** Yeah, I would say five, but yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No more than the bathroom accommodations.

**Speaker 6:** OK. Come on. And if you want, I can read you the wording that came in.

**Speaker 3:** The whole thing just seems like a way to test the waters. Like, I've got this testing coming up. I want to take control of the library. Let's just throw this out there. Yeah, you could take half the gym.

**Speaker 9:** Well, if you need to read his original memo, it says, reschedule your hours. Yes, I read it. Yeah, the whole thing is just written.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Now, the other thing is, you mentioned the form. We have to go through the form, fill it out every year to use the gym. That and, Danielle, I caught your disease, too. I can't remember my second point.

**Speaker 6:** Just a little wording that came from the state does say, according to our records, Stamford is a municipal library, notwithstanding its location within the school. That is correct. And I think most of the students of the time, that is the case for what are sometimes called community libraries. There may actually be something in writing about the public library needing to be open and local citizens having a right to library services. I don't know that would be available locally, but you could look in articles voted on, library by bus, minutes, relevant board meetings might be historic and hard to find, but not necessarily. If you could find something about the town voting to have a library, there might be some language there.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, we paid for it to be open.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, the library when the school was built, the library was out there. That was it.

**Speaker 21:** Heidi, do you have a question? Heidi. I just wanted to say, when my kids were in this school, there weren't fewer, there weren't more students then, there weren't fewer students then. And the number of classrooms, the number of rooms in the school hadn't changed. This wasn't an issue. We didn't have to take over the library. In fact, there were public hours, I believe, at the time, because I was in the library a bunch of the time when the school was open.

**Speaker 6:** Yeah, I understand that I have public library hours right now, so it was even more.

**Speaker 21:** Absolutely.

**Speaker 3:** There was a day when we never discussed whether the library belonged to the town or the school. No. Right.

**Speaker 22:** I mean, if this wasn't a conversation.

**Speaker 21:** We suddenly don't have enough space to do testing, is absurd to me.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. I mean, it's like you said, as you had a key at your house. Sure, yeah. We had the key to the whole thing. I know times have changed, but come on. I agree with Pam. We should just say, you know, come in and say, hey, we're going to be having some testing.

**Speaker 1:** Right.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And you think it's possible if you could change your hours and notify the public. And then, you know, instead of having it on a Wednesday or whatever you have it on, do it on a Monday. Absolutely.

**Speaker 23:** Yeah.

**Speaker 6:** Right. And I spoke with Carol ,, she was very supportive. And she was going to try to meet here tonight, but something came up. But she said, you know, I said, is there anything in writing that you can think of? And she basically said what the state said, that maybe there's something in minutes or bylaws or something. But she said it was always just about collaboration.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** A gentleman's agreement. We tried to get along.

**Speaker 6:** People, like she said, they got together a couple times a year. And we talked, and if there was an issue, we talked it out.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right. We've had testing in here one morning when I was closed.

**Speaker 24:** I said, fine.

**Speaker 3:** It seems like you can find space for five kids that are going to be coming up.

**Speaker 25:** It's later than this one little testing.

**Speaker 3:** Sure. We're talking about three kids. I mean, you can find space for them.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They're going to push for the entire, or they're seeing how far they can go to do something with the school in general.

**Speaker 15:** Well, because of all the things that are going on, and not just for a closing, there may be some forward thought that we're not privy to. But I mean, you just would not do the things that he's doing.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And it may be just this one guy. Who knows? It might be just him, and he's doing everything on a slide. Who knows? I don't know.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Laurie has a question.

**Speaker 26:** Don't they say that kids learn better in the morning? That if you wanted the best outcome for your kids, you would want to test from 9 to 12?

**Speaker 27:** That is when they're scheduled.

**Speaker 6:** I've been involved in the school in varying capacities for almost 20 years now. I'm going on the fourth kid here. I currently have three here. I know a lot about the ins and outs. I almost have a master's in education. I know a lot about the ins and outs of school testing, all that. It would be incredibly weird to test in the afternoon. Kids are tired. They're not at their best. So even that alone.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Do all grades test?

**Speaker 6:** Or is it just sort of . I have the schedule of testing. And I think it's maybe seven days out of a possible three weeks. So they have the three-week window. And every single one except for one day is Tuesday, Thursday. So it would be easily, Tuesday, Thursday might be best for them if they want the absolute highest. So it's not Monday, it's not Friday, you're not getting kids coming from an exhausting weekend or, you know, Friday. I get it. But also, there's plenty of opportunity to change your schedule around. Or use the space you already have, which you've done for the last however many years.

**Speaker 3:** I was going to say, where did they test last year?

**Speaker 9:** Even if they get all of the elementary school kids out of Reedsboro next year, they will not be larger. They're going to be larger than what this school was built for. Over a hundred and fifteen years ago or so. So they've got to fit. More than that building.

**Speaker 28:** Caroline?

**Speaker 9:** All right, 25. Two brief comments.

**Speaker 29:** One is a concern over obviously setting the precedent. If this gets the way on this one, then it's wide open for any other thing that can be . They find you useful. So, you know, it's kind of a line in the sand. The other is, what's the nuanced definition between municipal and community?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, I wasn't.

**Speaker 29:** I don't know.

**Speaker 16:** Previously, it was municipal was, school children were not allowed in during the day, if it was a municipal library. There was no concern about the material being available that you might not want to have in the school library. I'm not talking about censorship, you know. Right, right, yeah. But by the same token, there was certain discretion that was used. And that was a municipal library. Then the community library was a combined school and public.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It was mentioned somewhere that an agreement of understanding. Does Reedsboro have that? Your library has it?

**Speaker 8:** That's because you've got to remember. They own the building. Okay, all right. So, if Waterfrost even be in there, he made us sign the lease. Okay. And he wanted to charge us rent. And the school part is like, you're out of your mind.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay.

**Speaker 21:** Now, because the children, the school children never use that library, so it's completely the town. And therefore, the town should be paying.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** This wasn't the same style, right?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, the school does use your library. I don't know.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, it wasn't. Bill made that statement. He wanted to charge you rent.

**Speaker 2:** Yeah. So, he wants taxpayers to pay for it and then pay for it again. Yeah.

**Speaker 30:** Let's pay for it twice.

**Speaker 8:** But the school board backed us up because I'm not so sure. I'm not speaking on the board because I'm no longer on the board. Not because of any problem, but because I got a full plate. Yeah. But when you call up there, you're listed as a community library here, there. There's like six left in the entire state. And at the time, ours was role modeled on this one, because Carol Ethier was one of the people that did it up there. And what it actually is, is there is a super board that does things, and they have things under their, what is their responsibility. And it's two trustees that are elected at the March meeting, after meeting, two school board members. And one community member that's appointed by the select board. Does that sound familiar?

**Speaker 16:** Yes, except we had.

**Speaker 8:** And the principal was there in the library.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's not being done now.

**Speaker 16:** No.

**Speaker 8:** Not here, it isn't. Up there, it still is.

**Speaker 16:** I have no idea when it stopped.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And out of all those members, the superintendent isn't at all. It's not, no.

**Speaker 29:** Okay. So, can I just make one last comment? Yeah. And that's that we have. We have ongoing programs that have been scheduled that fall in those hours that kids are expecting and adults are expecting to be able to go and participate at the time that they agreed to.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** A while back, someone asked me, does the library get used. I don't go. I can't read. We would love to have you. But if, does the library get used every week?

**Speaker 31:** I'm running, that's, I'm working at the library, too. I'm Amy's mom. And I'm running a card game every Tuesday. And there were six of us there last Tuesday. What card game? Magic the Gathering, if you've ever heard of it.

No.

**Speaker 31:** No, but if it was Texas, all the time.

You might have heard of Pokemon. Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's on that sort of realm. Yeah.

And the kids know it. So, you know, on Tuesday, we started three. So, you have children going after school to the library. Yes. For the next three weeks. That's pretty impressive. For the next three weeks.

**Speaker 31:** Yeah.

**Speaker 2:** That's impressive. We got some pretty popular, like, we ran Lego programs. I mean, we look at, at one point, I had like 22 kids from like a third of the school here.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Wow. That's pretty good. That is impressive. Yeah, that's good.

**Speaker 2:** There are definitely times.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Better than sitting like this all day. They got picture books there, too. Well, oh, do they? Yeah. All right. I do look at pictures.

**Speaker 32:** So, what do we want?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We want to send it back by email. We disagree with your decision to use the library because you guys aren't going to let them in, right?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Disagree with your approach. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** Approach.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's my final thing was.

**Speaker 1:** Yes.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You go there and they go, you're going to be closed. Get out. Yeah. Where do we go from there? I know you're, you're tough.

**Speaker 33:** I know that.

**Speaker 14:** Well, we don't want to.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Rewind and try a different approach.

**Speaker 14:** I don't want to wait my hands on anyone, but. I'll fire you. But then they also don't, the board doesn't want to put you in a position that is.

**Speaker 34:** Can we put another lock on the door?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But that's what I'm saying is, if there's this confrontation, take your phone out and start recording it. And, you know, give me a call. I'll show up. I have no problem with laying, and I'm better not saying anything.

**Speaker 16:** I would just like to say something. I've never backed down from a fight, but might it be worthwhile to compromise? For this time. At which point I would say I would support paying the librarians for the time that they're lost. And in some way try and get that back from the school department. And make it very clear that this is not something that we would tolerate happening again.

**Speaker 3:** Possibly, but I think you need to change the precedent. But we're set a precedent to start over and change it.

**Speaker 15:** And it's not, you know, I think everybody in this room would, would, would want to work with people. With people. And want there to be a good working relationship.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If the other side did.

**Speaker 15:** Right. But the problem is, is the way that this is coming off.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah.

**Speaker 15:** Is alarming, and you should, you, you should.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Like Carol said, if we let this go, you've set this precedent still. Okay. Well, they backed down, let it go.

**Speaker 15:** I just don't, I don't think that you can allow someone to demand that this is what is going to happen. And if you don't like it, oh well. I mean, I just don't think the town can allow that to happen.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm, I'm very disappointed. And I know it's, it's not, I know that he was told, or he told the school board to go through him. But he shouldn't be able to do that either.

**Speaker 23:** I'm very disappointed in the school board not saying, well, wait a minute.

**Speaker 6:** Like he didn't even notify them of what was going on. No, I feel like. There's no clarity on their, they have no idea what's going on.

**Speaker 3:** Because I don't feel it has anything to do with testing or the library for that matter. Right. It's just him seeing how far he can get within this structure of this building.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That time we walked around the school and everything. You were on the board at that time. You guys were having a meeting that night. You literally walked by us to go in to the meeting. And he never let the school board know that he was, him and the principal walked us around and showed us all these concerns that they had about the school. And the school board didn't even know it was happening. So that's another situation that he did that to where he.

**Speaker 3:** He's obviously comfortable enough or confident enough just to feel he can dictate whatever it is that he wants to dictate.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, let's go back to the letter.

**Speaker 9:** Is this going to be a situation tomorrow?

**Speaker 35:** Yeah, it could be.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It can be. That's what I'm concerned about. That email has to go out today. Absolutely. Tonight. Boom. Right.

**Speaker 6:** And in his reply, he uses the words like that this is a school board decision. But he has not even notified them what is going on. And he's speaking on their behalf. So even in the event. That it is true that the school board gets to make that decision, which I don't agree with. But even if that were true, he's stepping.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Let them send us a letter.

**Speaker 6:** Right. It's not coming from them. They haven't even been notified what's going on.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** He's taken over the board meetings. It's everything's got his name on it. He runs the meetings now. You know, five years ago, that wasn't like that. I mean, the school board ran the meeting. You know, and the superintendent and the principal were guests.

**Speaker 36:** Yes.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They were asked. They had their little time on the agenda.

**Speaker 15:** Let's remember that when, again, when this whole big brouhaha started right before COVID, it was about who owns the school.

**Speaker 37:** Yeah.

**Speaker 15:** And that was the thing. And there was attorneys involved. And one attorney says this. The other attorney says that.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, I couldn't agree. And there is a law. There is a law on the responsibility or jurisdiction, you could call it. Of when school is in session, there is a law that within school property, they have the jurisdiction. There is a law, okay? But the ownership of the property, there was three separate deeds. And every one of the deeds said in different terms to townspeople. It might have been the residents one time, the town the other time. But it was always saying that the town owned it. The gymnasium was called the multi- Purpose room. Purpose room. So it was, to me, that's what, you know, anybody can use it. Which, up until just recently, anybody could use it. There were keys everywhere. And I went through that with you guys. I said, look it, there's basketball teams from North Adams that got keys to this place. Because one of them was my brother-in-law. I knew he had it. So, I mean, everybody had keys. Then all of a sudden, and the name is safety. And I understand that people are nervous. And I understand. I understand it's a different world. But, and this is an opinion, I'm sure. But there's no safety there. That safety is not there. There's glass windows. There's open doors. There's, you know, kids playing out yard. I mean, God forbid anything happens, there really is no safety. One little red door with a lock on it. So I can stop in it. The door is open.

**Speaker 15:** But the question is, the question is what rights can the school, as they wanted to, make this entire property, property from the road to the river off limits. Off limits.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** One of the things that can happen, and they will, they can push that, and I'll admit, they have the money, they have the resources, the town doesn't. We just don't have the resources to fight it. But one thing that we do have in our back pocket is we vote on a budget.

**Speaker 33:** I was going to say, if they don't have the school warrant passed every year...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We just say no. Now the school shuts down. Then they don't own the property anymore.

**Speaker 15:** By rights, the town office and the library should not be with the school the way the schools are set up. They don't want us here. They don't want the library here. They don't want the town office here. They want their own property that they can secure. And I can understand that. I mean, if it was up to me, the town office and the library would be here.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They would be somewhere else. They would not be here. But that's a whole other conversation.

**Speaker 2:** And they wouldn't be able to afford to run a library without the shared...

**Speaker 9:** For this afternoon, you need to compose the email.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We disagree with your approach on how you approach the library trustees or whoever you wrote to. And we understand there could have been other combinations. There can be. And... And then tomorrow, 3.31, the library will be open as usual from 12 to 6. To the public?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** To the public. Per select board.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, I don't think we can say per select board because we don't have any jurisdiction over them. But this is our opinion, our support.

**Speaker 6:** For library bylaws or... I mean, we exist.

**Speaker 24:** We're supporting you, but I don't think we have any control over them.

**Speaker 3:** We have control over the town portion of the library, don't we? I think I need a book tomorrow afternoon.

**Speaker 2:** I think you do. You do have control.

**Speaker 3:** It might be my first time to the library tomorrow.

**Speaker 38:** Your own trust needs.

**Speaker 2:** What time is it open?

**Speaker 39:** 12 o'clock.

**Speaker 2:** Yeah, but you still have oversight over us.

**Speaker 3:** Over the town portion of it.

**Speaker 2:** Because we couldn't just decide we were going to, like, add another door and do it. Well, that has to do with the building. But I think you do have control over us. I would think. I don't know my answer to you. Yeah.

**Speaker 40:** Yeah, not really because you're elected. Right.

**Speaker 2:** Yeah.

**Speaker 16:** But overall in your own... Right.

**Speaker 3:** Right. I'm saying just control over the town portion of the library itself. We just want to support you. Right. Not over any individuals or anything like that. But we... I mean, we control the town portion. Do we now? Just like the cemetery.

**Speaker 2:** No, not really. The trustees do.

**Speaker 17:** Yeah.

**Speaker 16:** We don't really... The trustees are not under the select board. No. They're a separate board. Right. They have their own budget. They defend their own budget. They're elected by the public. Did you stall the committee? No. No. No. No.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No. Right. No. Right. So the trustees have not given permission to shut down the library.

**Speaker 41:** Right.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No. So you can send a letter also if you want. No, we can't. And that's what I'm saying. We can. We can. We just say... Well, I mean...

**Speaker 5:** At...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** His last email was the last email.

**Speaker 5:** Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yes. And he kept... We do have another one drafted. We can send it after. Okay. Yeah. Because he pretty much... Yeah. We can send it after. And you can say... You went to the select board. We support your letter. The select board supports the letter. And you could send it... You have to say, we're not shutting down, because the last correspondence was, well, you are shutting down, and we're going to be testing tomorrow. You're going to go in there tomorrow, and we're going to be in there.

**Speaker 6:** And I wonder if that's what he wants to happen, so that he can push it further.

**Speaker 3:** He might. It's got nothing to do with the three kids that are going to test him or not.

**Speaker 15:** Well, what happens if, so because you have to assume that potentially that's exactly what's going to happen. And children are going to be brought in there. I don't think they'll do it.

**Speaker 2:** So you don't think that they will? No, because they're scheduled to start testing at 9 a.m. I don't think there's going to be children testing. It doesn't make sense that they're going to test, go to lunch, and continue testing. Like, I don't know of a scenario in a school that does that.

**Speaker 14:** I think the whole testing thing was entirely made up, and that there won't actually be students testing that time of the day.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, you need space for three kids. You think he just wants to see if you shut the library down.

**Speaker 33:** Yeah, I think so.

**Speaker 14:** Because. It seems highly unlikely that, like, they're going to be kids testing from noon to 3. I mean, I don't know. In my opinion, just. Just a test.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You think they'll have someone in there before you open the doors? Probably. So once you open the doors, I assume that it's open to the public. I walk in. There goes your safety down with tubes. Right? They brought the kids in.

**Speaker 6:** So if we unlock the door and he's saying, don't bump her, and then we do. And then he says, safety issue. Now he's got that.

**Speaker 3:** It seems like you make a scenario where you already have the solution. He's setting up a scenario where he already has a solution to it, which is take control of the library. So he's just planting seed. It's three kids. They can test in the gym. They can test on the stage. I mean, there's plenty of space for three kids. They can test in my car. Exactly. Yeah. It's nothing to do with that.

**Speaker 2:** So then instead of the Slack board sending them, we should send the letter that we have? We could send a letter of support. I think we should send a letter too, right?

**Speaker 32:** The library trustee's decision.

**Speaker 3:** Yeah. It will not be current. We're in support. You know, your approach is terrible. Yeah. I disagree with you. Your landing ain't so great either. So try again.

**Speaker 8:** He's a power player. Oh, I know he is. We really want to use the word. We didn't like your approach. Or your approach was wrong. Because then that makes sense.

**Speaker 42:** Well, he disagreed with us.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** His approach is wrong. I know. We disagree with his approach.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Don't respond to the meeting. We can just say it. We just agree with the board. And it will remain open. Come and ask us. We don't have to tell him why. He could have came to this meeting. We don't have to tell him why.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We'll probably take a recording of it. But that's all right.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You know what? Thursday we have another meeting. He can come to that meeting too. And I'll give him all the time in the world to talk. He can talk.

**Speaker 31:** Tomorrow, Danielle walks in.

What should she do? And would you rather one of us be there instead of you?

**Speaker 31:** It's as if someone else should be there.

**Speaker 6:** I think it puts me in a difficult situation to keep the children from school.

**Speaker 31:** Do you want me to open the library tomorrow morning? I mean, I can be here at noon. Instead of for you.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Can I have a key?

**Speaker 31:** We only have one. It must be shared. I can make keys.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You can make a key. I can copy it.

**Speaker 31:** We can discuss that later.

**Speaker 3:** I mean, that would be non-confrontational. I don't know. You could kind of back him down to his demands, but, you know.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, that's what's going to happen. That's probably what's going to happen. He's going to say, well, no, get out to the point where you, if you don't want to be confrontational, you have to walk away. You have to. Just leave it. But you said that. At least you said it. And then we sent him a letter. You know, we could, we, you know, agree with you and sent, you know, a support letter. You sent him a letter. After they do whatever they do, we can go back and send him another letter, say, this will not continue. You're a violation. We'll talk to your attorneys.

**Speaker 31:** That's what he wants. He mentions that in one of the.

**Speaker 43:** It seems like only the beginning.

**Speaker 3:** This is just.

**Speaker 44:** Yeah.

**Speaker 14:** Well, I mean, I think there's. There's the legal and the lawyers, but then there's also the political. And I think that we do have this. And he's, he basically, I don't think he respects the fact that he. Is, in fact, accountable to the voters in the district.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, that's what I was going to say. He wants to shut this down.

**Speaker 14:** We can make it clear to him that he is accountable to the voters in his district.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. And if he wants to shut it down and bring it to court, you bring it out to the public. You put it on the radio, bring it right out to the public that says, hey, look at this guy is trying to take, you know, the library, education, these children, show them that the children. Are using the library. All these, all these programs will all be shut down because of this one guy. You know, I'd make it look terrible if he started that. I'd go right back at him.

**Speaker 2:** And I'm hopeful that our school board at that point will step in.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The school board. Yeah. They should already.

**Speaker 2:** Do you send the copy to the school board anyway? We haven't, but we certainly can. Probably should. We came to you guys first because we were, you know.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Let's go to the school board.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, if we don't have jurisdiction, I mean, we can't. I mean, if we had jurisdiction, I would. I'd go right after him.

**Speaker 2:** Yeah. I mean, we can.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You know, but I would definitely support you 100%. This guy is, he's rubbed the meter on me.

**Speaker 2:** But he can't. I mean, maybe I'm wrong and he can, but I would assume it would have to be the school board who would seek legal counsel, not just the superintendent. Right. So my hope would be that the school board would. They got, we voted for them. They're our town, our hometown people. Like, hopefully they would.

**Speaker 14:** Like, drives me most up a tree about this. It's the exact same people who are paying for the school and who are paying for the law firm. Like, it's the voters who stand for the voters.

**Speaker 45:** Well, this is, you know, we're in a small town.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We know everybody. We just try to work and get along and use what we have. We've got small buildings here. Small office. Small town.

**Speaker 2:** And budget-wise, we all know that school dollars are more expensive than town dollars. Right. So the split does make sense.

**Speaker 32:** Sure does.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And I'm sure we've shared other things before. Just talk. I mean, we share the gym. We can go in the gym there. We use the gym.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, you know. You watch. That's one of those things where they say, we're not doing it anymore. That's all right. We won't plow the snow anymore.

**Speaker 15:** That's fine. Yeah. This is the danger of this whole thing.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. There will be a winner at the end instead of a compromise. There will be a winner.

**Speaker 37:** It's not a good situation.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right.

**Speaker 46:** You have to figure out what it is that's going on.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. I mean, it's not a good situation. Someone will be left standing.

**Speaker 29:** That's true.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You've got to figure out.

**Speaker 29:** Yeah. It can't be an escalating range war. Right. There's no winners to that. No. Right. There's no victory in that. Right. Everybody's going to get all wiped out. But it needs to be addressed soon and resolved soon. You can't just keep on going.

**Speaker 2:** So perhaps, would it be appropriate for us to, I understand that the communications have come from the superintendent, but could our next email, could it go to the school board?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I would think so.

**Speaker 2:** You can send it to them. Copy them on it. Yeah. We'll reply to him. Because that's where it's come from, but include the school board on it. Because at the end of the day, that feels like it would at least get them in. Right.

**Speaker 14:** Because the school board is who needs to pass the school budget. They're the ones who are most directly responsible to the voters of Stamford. They have to come in front of us every year. The school board is also his boss. Yeah, exactly. Yes.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** One of his.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They should definitely let him know that.

**Speaker 47:** You know, when you come to town,

**Speaker 9:** you have a meeting, you have a school budget. And if you decide that the amount that's dedicated to the superintendent's office is how much you should reduce the town's budget, school budget.

**Speaker 15:** This is not, I mean, I remember when Steve was on the school board, like, you know, like 25 years ago. I mean, I remember these, not this exact thing, but there's always a thing with the superintendents.

And I think it's always been a thing. And I think it's always been a thing. And I think it's always been a thing.

**Speaker 6:** Yeah, but some are diplomatic and some are stupid. This is, this is, this is, and I think that's what bothers me most, that there was no collaboration. Even in the first response that came from the board that said, you know, can you give us some valid reasons why it's necessary? Like, make us understand why you need this space.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Because I said so.

**Speaker 6:** The response was, because I said so.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You also, you did bring up that this is kind of out of the ordinary that it's coming from him. And not the board. He didn't address that. He never said anything about it. He just skipped over that part.

**Speaker 2:** He did. That's when he attributed it to Reedsboro. That's when he said, well.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** But we're not in the same situation, you know.

**Speaker 2:** Yeah. Yeah. Especially all the information that Cindy shared, it's clearly different with the ownership.

**Speaker 3:** Why would that be at the forefront of his mind during the whole conversation?

**Speaker 21:** Tomorrow, whoever's there, I wouldn't do this in a confrontational way, but I would have my cell phone recording in case that he's inappropriate. Because those things really matter in this era.

**Speaker 22:** Yeah.

**Speaker 21:** Yeah. So I'd have a video recording of him. And if he's perfectly fine and not disrespectful.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But there's some other issues that he's well aware of in this school that I won't bring up at this time. But there's some other issues that the board's not aware of. And this is going to come out someday. This guy knows things. He's not addressing them. So it can get worse.

**Speaker 2:** Well, and hopefully, by including the board, they'll also communicate with him that we library should be open for tomorrow. Like maybe that'll dissipate some of this.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You know, if you get a hold of Cindy, she's definitely going to support you. And I mean, she'll say to him, enough is enough, you know. There's plenty, like you said, 81 other hours here. That's a lot.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. That's a lot. I think we hashed this over. Yeah. That's what we're going to do.

**Speaker 3:** Yep. Agreed.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Do we need to take a vote on this? We're here.

**Speaker 3:** Sure.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** If you want to. I make a motion that we send an email to the superintendent saying that we disagree with how you approach the trustees and the use of the library. And we support their decision to be open tomorrow from 12 to 6.

**Speaker 9:** Okay.

**Speaker 48:** And who will be not be going on that?

**Speaker 26:** Just for the next three weeks. The next three weeks.

**Speaker 31:** Yeah. The next three weeks.

**Speaker 26:** Right. To the public. Yes. Especially open to the public. For the regular. Fluff it up, Lori.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And your board, your trustees, you can make sure that you talk about the budget, too. This has been paid for. It's already been set in stone. The people of this town voted for this budget with those hours in mind. We expect it to be open. We paid for it. I already paid for the movie ticket. I expect the movie to be playing when I get there.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Second. Second. Do I have a second? Yes, second.

**Speaker 29:** All in favor?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Aye. Aye. Okay. And who's going to receive ? Library trustees. You want to send it to the school board, too? Copy them, too? Oh, definitely. Yep. Definitely. Okay.

**Speaker 6:** Should they get emails?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, that's up to you. We can send them.

**Speaker 32:** That's up to them.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Why not? Yeah. Yeah.

**Speaker 26:** You got to have your contact.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. Yeah. And if they ask why you haven't let them in on it, this guy was coming to the school board. He was coming to you and not them. You assumed.

**Speaker 5:** Yeah.

**Speaker 2:** Maybe we'll send the attachments that I sent to the select board, which is just the emails in the PDF form. Yep. And then include them on. So we'll send one separate to the school board. And then. Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, they may be very overwhelmed. Yeah. They probably hear what's going on anyway. Yeah. I would imagine.

**Speaker 10:** We don't like it.

**Speaker 2:** Oh, no.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We sure don't. So is there any other business here? Nope. You guys good?

**Speaker 14:** Thank you.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Thank you.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome. Thank you. I have a question. It doesn't seem to be very obligating. Take a motion to adjourn. And I have a question. We need to end. For the trustees, too. I came in Saturday morning about 9 o'clock here. And I did mention it to the principal. I don't think the library was open then. It was. I forgot to put the flag up. Okay. Okay. It was.

**Speaker 48:** And there was no cars here, either.

**Speaker 31:** Well, that's because my husband brought me. Okay. All right. And then I forgot to put the flag.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And.

**Speaker 49:** Hold on.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I got to write this down.

**Speaker 31:** And one of the people stopped and said, I thought maybe you were closed. I was like, oh, we're trying to put the flag out.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All right. You know, put the key in the door. I'm like, wait a minute. There's no alarm, but there's no flag, no cars. That's why. It was incognito. So it was in and out. Okay.

You get a pass. Put the flag out. All right.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** But it was like a pointy tail. Can we make a motion to adjourn?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I want to make it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You always make it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Motion to adjourn.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All in favor. Aye.