--- title: "Stamford Select Board — March 5, 2026" date: 2026-03-05 session: regular speaker_labels: 1 cluster(s) named from the roll call and that meeting's chair in the minutes, 1 named from roster attendance, 8 of 10 clusters unnamed voice_ids: {"SPEAKER_01":38,"SPEAKER_02":13,"SPEAKER_03":9,"SPEAKER_04":3,"SPEAKER_05":4,"SPEAKER_06":5,"SPEAKER_07":6,"SPEAKER_08":2,"SPEAKER_09":8,"SPEAKER_10":1} duration_min: 122 audio: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dPgubigQls7Rt9xLvY6MSGOLA_KKkoop/view?usp=sharing audio_source: town drive minutes: https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%203-5-26.pdf minutes_pending: false present: [Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, Kurt Gamari, John Dunn, Jedidiah Gramlin] absent: [] transcribed: 2026-09-04 (faster-whisper large-v3, CUDA; names corrected per data/name_fixes.json) diarization: pyannote/speaker-diarization-3.1 (automated; cluster labels may over-split a single voice; unattributed paragraphs have no reliable speaker) --- # Stamford Select Board — March 5, 2026 **Session:** Regular · **Duration:** 122 min · [Audio](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dPgubigQls7Rt9xLvY6MSGOLA_KKkoop/view?usp=sharing) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%203-5-26.pdf) **Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, Kurt Gamari, John Dunn, Jedidiah Gramlin --- **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** This is to aid with the summarization of the minutes. Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comment per visitor and 15 minutes per topic. Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others. Select board members present are Michael G. Denault Nancy Bushika **Speaker 1:** John Dunn Jed Gramlin Kurt Gamari **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Will there be any adding of items or removing items from tonight's agenda? I think Lori has correspondence. I have correspondence. Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, such as changing the order of items? And Jeb is recording tonight's meeting for his YouTube video. First order of business is reorganization of board and appointments. Okay. Chairman of select board is first. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'll nominate Nancy second. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What did we do? Chairman, vice? And clerk. And clerk. Kurt? Any discussion? **Speaker 1:** No. You do a good job. Keep it up. Well, okay. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Vice chairman. **Speaker 2:** Any discussion? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Favor? **Speaker 1:** Last time, clerk? Yeah. Same? Motion. Get the sign of that nice pen. Okay. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Retract my motion. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'm going to go down through the other appointments, and we'll do the appointment of officers for the other boards. But these are kind of select board ones. Judicial bureau. We need to remove Doug. And... And add Jeb. Make a motion to add Jeb to the Judicial Bureau. Motion. Jeb, are you familiar with what that is? Okay. **Speaker 3:** I think we also need to return Casey as just a custodial. And you're adding... **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes. Casey. And add Gene. Yep. Gene and Casey are custodial. Right. They're not appearing. Officials are just custodial. Designation of meeting dates. Make a motion to keep it first and third like we have. **Speaker 2:** Yes. Oh. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. We should vote on the Judicial Bureau. Add Jeb. Remove Doug. Add Casey. Remove Casey. And add Gene. That's my motion. Second. **Speaker 2:** Yeah. Aye. **Speaker 4:** Aye. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. **Speaker 5:** Aye. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. **Speaker 6:** Aye. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Aye. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Aye. **Speaker 6:** Aye. **Speaker 1:** Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. **Speaker 7:** Aye. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Aye. Aye. **Speaker 5:** again we put it in there yeah yeah I think it could be said it could be sent **Speaker 8:** to what people read is Stamford informed or whatever yes then they do go into **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** bill box yeah oh yeah but Paul does he takes our our only post things out **Speaker 9:** soccer throws down there anyway yeah minister on the bill right yeah read **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** him a week a designation of select board member to review bills anybody else around you all in favor designation highway liaison I like that one Mike **Speaker 2:** okay **Speaker 4:** that's easy it's like all in favor designation of school liaison Kurt you **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** were it before it's very few times emotion I'll suck it designation of **Speaker 7:** ethics liaison that was Doug I'll take that I thought that that we I'm not **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** saying we don't have to have it I thought the state did away with it they still have it's still there yeah don't expect it so no one at the state's gonna do anything we could talk **Speaker 5:** about right right but first things would come to Jeff and then he bring it **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** to the board yes designation of DB fiber representative it was Bill and Bob I **Speaker 10:** think I'd like to do the same too yeah I was gonna say everybody is leaving TV **Speaker 8:** fight we actually want to got money back only yes everybody's switching over to that video **Speaker 7:** yeah well I think it's a done deal member of the DV fiber group though **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** right okay I think we need a representative and then I want to add Bennington County Solid Waste Alliance we need one member from the board but if the meetings are all online one hour every three months the town of Stamford needs a voting member and you just listen to them you want to continue to **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** do it I'll do it for one more year okay okay it's too cold so we have motion **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** pretty easy okay now we can go to the appointed officers **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** oh they said Laurie gave us a sheet they didn't say put it in the box well is this concerning the appointments well they could possibly actually go and sit down with AVC I did get that right we'll get to the plan **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** do you want me to wait yeah just a few minute Zoning Administrator Deb position's up but I would like to wait and talk to Deb about this if it's possible whatever the board thinks I'd like to go into executive session with Deb and talk to her about it sure sure can you stay down okay zoning Board of Adjustment Teddy Doberts up and Angela Trudeau is an alternate how do we do this last year do we send them a **Speaker 5:** letter and say they're appointed and if they don't don't want if they don't **Speaker 3:** accept it that way and sometimes you've asked them first do you want to be reappointed and waited for a response or sometimes you just appointed them and **Speaker 11:** said if you're not happy so you told everybody this last year that they had **Speaker 10:** to send a letter if not then so we sent them a letter say if you want to be **Speaker 12:** reappointed get in touch with us you did that last year you've done it other **Speaker 3:** ways **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** right if we're gonna send a letter to every single person on here we have to send a letter to right if we're gonna someone to you know Deb's the first on the list and we're gonna send a letter to Deb and see if she wants to redo her appointment in the meantime I guess this is my concern is this is up tonight and then on the minutes someone goes low like there's a lot of things that you can do better and she says well yeah I guess nobody else wants it and someone sends a letter and then we got to know what decision to make what are you saying that leave em all I like the old times we did it where we just said you're point you're pointed tonight if you don't want it then you get back to us then we advertise that position because these positions that open or been people have known about this for one year we've said this a billion times at our meetings if anybody's interested send us a letter now we know we got a letter tonight i understand that but the rest of these you know i mean teddy's been doing this for a hundred years here **Speaker 2:** you know we could always go to the alternate too if he doesn't want it yeah so how do you **Speaker 1:** want to handle it you want to send teddy a letter saying hey we appointed you all these guys yeah **Speaker 6:** i mean the thing is it just prolongs things and uh unless we hear otherwise you're selected for a **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** three-year term right yeah if you start hearing hey this guy i mean most people are are respectful enough to say hey look i don't want to do it anymore here's my letter i mean it could keep **Speaker 2:** things clean too because people are used to the old school way of doing it and then if they don't you know they don't come down and say you know i wanted the position in the year right well **Speaker 3:** yeah they just assume they were appointed and because they didn't respond they really were **Speaker 2:** oh i see there was some controversy last year i say just to point them if they don't want it **Speaker 13:** they can let us know i've been thinking about this we should probably make it so like i mean **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** everybody knows when your terms are up so you shouldn't try that weeks before right month before you don't think you don't that it's not your seat if we don't hear it then it's an open scene right that makes sense too yeah so we're supposed to go somewhere yeah right but i want to just say something before we appoint any members to the **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** various boards i'd like to caution that these appointments should not be used for personal agenda but for the good and future of the town because we do know that there has been in the past people get on these boards for their own personal agenda and i'd like people to show up at the meetings not only our meetings but your meetings prepared read their information because it delays the meeting and try to get enough members there so if somebody in the public or you're meeting someone like callie you you get you can listen to her um also i want to stress to all board members we need to be aware of the open meeting law and the conflict of interest policy because any of these violations will cause great monetary damage and distrust of the town it's uh very very serious that open meeting one so you gotta watch out and make sure members of the board i don't know if we can instruct lori to send a letter to all chairmen of the board that warn your boards that you've got to be aware of this sorry about that guys so what are we doing **Speaker 8:** it's good to be here yeah this is the first time i've ever heard that's the word all right yeah because i've brought it forward many times so what are we doing **Speaker 14:** so teddy and angie yeah so so as we go down the list are we going to disappoint everybody like that **Speaker 1:** or are these seats considered open until we hear otherwise i think we should send the letter that's **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** what you were suggesting i think we should point everybody tonight that's on this list there's no one being contested on this list okay we have a letter that is we let's if you guys don't mind we can bring up the letter if not we'll wait it's up to you **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** well let's go down right down here when we get there okay okay all right so teddy dover angela trudeau we're going to appoint them yes motion yes second send the letter bob riggs emergency **Speaker 4:** management director send the yes appoint him yeah we need motion for all these seconds can we do one **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** motion at the end sure be easier on laurie okay emergency management coordinators we have sheila stewart johnson and stephanie shelburne all for one year job officer luke mckay energy coordinator i don't even uh that's vacant i don't even know if that's a position anymore it was during the energy crisis is it still **Speaker 15:** it's still on the books i mean but it's okay uh septic officer maura hawkins **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** she deals with uh she could be an intermediary between us and the state too if she has to but a lot of people are still living here yes she's on the voting channel planning commission okay we have a resignation on the planning commission laurie received a lot we all received a letter and laurie received a letter from peter greenbush yes i've seen it stating his uh family commitments i **Speaker 6:** believe that's what he said resigning on the loss who's it and he do you guys have a co-chair and he **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** nominated aaron vice chair not coming out of the house and he nominated aaron vice chair not coming out of the house vice chair and dave tatro is the alternate for the planning commission **Speaker 16:** actually so i just said the planning mission right guy from the top are bennington only if you have **Speaker 8:** hearings that's just the zba they can have alternates we didn't know that either that **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** was something i guess so um can i ask a question today vice chairman you i read peter's letter he had a recommendation you also stand by that recommendation absolutely okay so if you would like to if you would like to present that recommendation for chair would you guys vote on your chair is this would this be unanimous to you this would not be for the chair it would be for that i can't ask answer that question so it won't be for chair it would just be for that it doesn't have to be i think at least i'm definitely going to vote for the chair i'm going to vote for the chair **Speaker 16:** i agree with you yes that was what i was going to say it's easier to get a quorum yes and that is what um it's actually recommended so and with all the work so we had it we had i only have **Speaker 1:** eight on here did i count wrong with peter a different page yeah i'm sorry there's more on another page yep **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** the planning board numbers second all in favor hold on for just a second discussion planning board members that are here what's the reason again that you want to do that well the **Speaker 16:** first thing is nick says that it's the ideal for getting the work we have ahead of us done which **Speaker 17:** is considerable okay it's the most manageable number okay all right have you guys had problems **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** in the past of having well recently **Speaker 8:** throughout the beginning of the winter we we were having some issues with we were there was a couple of meetings we didn't have a quorum okay well it was came somebody came **Speaker 18:** in late and made it i think you have to be calling people all right so yeah the last time we we wrote **Speaker 2:** the bylaws we actually started with a good majority of them with five this did go it just did go from **Speaker 1:** seven to nine it went from five to nine okay all right so we have seven too many but there's an eight person left well there's nine i i did well there's nine and then with with the two some yeah so so dave's off the list and then you got natalie and sheila are the last or sheila's up for her terms off **Speaker 14:** yep dave is an offense and he's off and then kurt you're still excellent so we yeah here's the **Speaker 1:** problem is we have people that are on so somebody's gonna have to right so you have other people wrong **Speaker 1:** There's still one person out. What were we requesting? Tell Sheila you're out? That's not right. That's what I'm getting at. So there's one person. So Dave's out. So you've got Natalie on the back side of the list here. And then Sheila's turn is up. So somebody on the list has got to go if I'm not mistaken. Jim and us. So somebody's got to tell Sheila, hey your term's up. Thanks for your service. And we went through a seven person board. Because everyone else has voted on it. So that's how you ask. Someone's got to tell Sheila. **Speaker 6:** And that's typically the way it's done. **Speaker 1:** Am I reading right? Yeah. They said he would like to go on. He's not here. He can't come. **Speaker 1:** So we've got one. Somebody needs to write you a letter saying you're going to a seven person board. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Seven. Natalie will be seven. Dave's out. Kurt is just. I don't know. And then Pete's out. Maybe we can hold Aaron on the list. I still think that should happen. So everybody's in until like 2029 other than Sheila. **Speaker 1:** So we're going to eliminate Sheila's position. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So next year. What's that guy's name? **Speaker 19:** Those are two more. **Speaker 20:** Zion. So we're going to have to go to a seven person board. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So Sheila's going to have to. And he recommends seven. Right? **Speaker 1:** All right. So we still need to make a motion for all these people **Speaker 2:** that we talked about. There's a motion on the floor to go to seven. A motion. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** There is. There's going to be a discussion. There will be. I'm going to be honest with you guys. There's going to be blowback with this. That's why I'm asking the questions now. So when the blowback comes, I have answers to the questions. Okay? And it's nothing against anyone. I know why. This guy here recommends it. **Speaker 1:** So when I sent Sheila the letter to say, you know, we went to a seven person board. Your term is up. So unfortunately your position got eliminated. We had no choice. It's the only person we can let go. But maybe be like, well, next year there's two open positions in 2027. If you'd like to continue your. Correct. You know. Right. Because everyone else is still on. Reapply yourself next year. It gets thrown off next year. Next year. So that's gone. **Speaker 21:** So we just took it right off the list. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So Peter Greenbush's position, he resigned. And that's terminated. So there is no open position for that now. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right. Well, wait a minute. **Speaker 1:** So now we've got to do something. That's my problem. **Speaker 5:** So they'll have to appoint a chair. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The only one is Natalie in 28. 28. And all these is up at 27. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well. Let's move Sheila into. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** She just resigned the position. Yeah. This is. We're making it complicated. Because then we can just say Jim wants Pete's position and so on. **Speaker 2:** No. Pete left and it's more up. It's an opportunity. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's a seven person. The two that we need. We want to go to seven. And one resigns. They're all in meetings. **Speaker 8:** You can come to every single meeting. Technically, I was just appointed last year. **Speaker 22:** And. **Speaker 8:** I'm just reading this. There was three. Yeah, but there was three of us. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And I was the first one and the first one on the list. Oh, you must have filled in someone else's four years. Yeah. Okay. When we did go up to the nine, we added what? **Speaker 5:** Three positions to that? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. So there might have been like a harder to four year term left. Right. **Speaker 2:** And you want to come to the meetings and contribute to the positive. But I'll take . **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And they hold just as much weight. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. We can slide it in if we had to. I mean for the. Bottom line is when Nancy read that little note that the state made. I want to make sure. And this is the thing. There's politics involved. And I don't want that. And we're getting the bylaws done the right way. Right. To spend in the town plan. It's costing money to do. Correct? And we want to do this the right way. And make sure that we get the best minds. And no one's doing this for their personal gain. And do it right. That's my biggest concern. Making sure that this board. These boards that we're planning to do their job. **Speaker 8:** All right. This planning commission in my opinion is probably the best planning commission since I've been here. One. We're hard workers. You're biased. You're on that plan. I know that. It was brought to my attention. When Nick came. We talked about that. About the seven man. And I'm thinking how is this going to work. But that was when Pete was still there. And so on. And then Lisa was talking to me. And reminded me of that again. And thought maybe the best easiest way without pertinent feelings. This would be the way. We've been talking about it for a few months. And a few meetings that we've had. Missing people. This is the best way. It's not personal. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Nothing personal. It's just. I don't know. We've got staggered terms on here. And I'm not sure if we've got the right years. And how we should. Just because it's not. Jim 27. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Should have been a seven. Another error. So if you want to take a vote. **Speaker 5:** From a nine member. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** To a seven member board. **Speaker 5:** I agree with that. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Aye. So resign. So his position is. **Speaker 7:** I would like to accept. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Peter's resignation. With regret. **Speaker 5:** Well wait a minute. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** He resigned. Well I'm just accepting his resignation. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh I agree. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I would like to make. We don't have to make a motion. We have a seven. We have a seven man board. **Speaker 2:** Once they get all this stuff written. We should consider going back down to five. **Speaker 2:** That's my opinion. I love that. **Speaker 1:** So when Pete. When Pete resigned. **Speaker 1:** His position is still there. So we have a 2028 position. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's available. Right. I would like to make a motion. That we appoint. Jim Stimson. For Peter Greenbush's position. For the 2028 position. And terminate Jim Stimson's position. So we have a seven man board. For 2027. I just got like. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm shocked. Demoted and demoted. That sounds good. So now Jim. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You just got an extra year. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** 28. **Speaker 7:** So that way. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's smoother. Seven. And then you're going to look at the 2026 position. Yep. **Speaker 3:** So we just track it. John 28. Jim at 28. We've got Deb and Ollie at 27. Jim at 28. And Natalie at 28. So there's no more people before 26. 29. 29-3. Yes. I like that. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's a better start. And I would like to make. Jim. A motion that not only down to seven person. That we will not reappoint Sheila's position. I would like to send a letter to Sheila. Thanking her. For her years of dedication. **Speaker 8:** Do we ever have a three member board? And even mention welcome. Second. I mean it's always good for the letter. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Jim is here. **Speaker 8:** You don't have to send me a letter. We're not wasting the standby. Serve by. Did they close it? Bring it this way. We've got to walk down Main Street. **Speaker 8:** Look at your mail. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, we all set on planning. Deb, did we answer your question for planning commission? Yes. Planning commission seven members. We're good on that. Conservation commission. The only term that's up is Sheila. I don't know how often they're meeting. But send her a letter. Yep. **Speaker 23:** A pointer. **Speaker 2:** Is there any way to send her one letter? **Speaker 1:** With the two things? Yeah. **Speaker 2:** Save that money. Save that money, Jim. **Speaker 24:** Congratulations. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Good to save money. David Tetreault. Appoint, yes. For one year. **Speaker 8:** County regional commission. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Deb and Lisa, you accept. Yes. **Speaker 3:** This one here though. Yep. Saying they'd like us to appoint a third representative to the regional transportation advisory committee for BCRC. Which is an appointment we've never done before. We've always just had these two BCRC representatives. So I'm not quite sure what the regional transportation advisory committee is about. **Speaker 25:** Do you know what it's about, Callie? **Speaker 26:** At a very high level. I don't handle that committee directly. Callie Fishburne. It's basically a group that meets, I'm not sure, maybe quarterly or maybe even as needed to review and prioritize transportation projects throughout the county. I think they focus on a variety like including biking and pedestrian projects. And I think they're involved at some point in like ranking, like reviewing all the potential projects that could be completed in the county and prioritizing and ranking them. In terms of their importance for funding. But I'm, that's probably the best that I know about that. So I would recommend reaching out to my colleague Nick Dias for more information about that. I think we should find out more information. Then when we know, we can post it and say here's what we know. He did give, if you guys want to read the paragraph. He does give a bit of explanation. I think you guys should read the paragraph there. **Speaker 27:** Oh, I didn't see that. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. **Speaker 3:** I don't know. I don't know. **Speaker 1:** I don't know. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You can tell me if I got it wrong. To appoint your town's representative to the Regional Transportation Advisory Committee. This committee is your town's line of communication to the AOT and peer municipalities regarding transportation issues. Appointments can be changed at any time. Stamford has been sporadic in appointments. Committee meets six to twelve times a year. They typically take place in the afternoon, on weekdays. And they include current or former town staff officials, road crew persons, foremen, town administrators, managers, planning commission members, retired transportation professionals, and other townspeople interested in transportation matters. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Sporadic? It's new to us. **Speaker 6:** We've never heard of it. **Speaker 1:** It goes on to say once you figure out who it is, heaven call me. Yeah, exactly. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So, we could advise, put it in the minutes. I think Dave would be the good one. You already talked to BCRC about it. **Speaker 7:** On an afternoon, on a Wednesday? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We did. He's not on the planning, alternate planning board anymore. **Speaker 28:** You did say you were going to find another job. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, that's right, that's right. You lost one, you're getting another. **Speaker 28:** Maybe you'll find somebody that wants it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, maybe. **Speaker 7:** Alright, we'll advertise for it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Maybe they'll want to be the tree warden, and one was the other one we got open there. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, we have Green Up Day coordinator, Martin Miller. **Speaker 3:** She talked to me today. And said she was not going to be able to do it this spring. Okay, so we have them vacant there. **Speaker 12:** We'll advertise for that. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Hopefully somebody will step forward. Because it seemed like a lot of fun. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What do we got? DV Fiber twice? Yeah, I think we do. Well, let's do it again then. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. And Community Projects Committee. There is three vacancies now. **Speaker 4:** Is that a thing? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And my recommendation is to do it. There's no money in it. Phase it out? Phase it out. Okay. Motion? Yeah, I'll make a motion. We lost some money at the end of the year. But it didn't hit the books until January 1st. So there is no money in that. We had to pay a lot for the sign. The second sign. Third sign. **Speaker 10:** Yeah. **Speaker 8:** Keep in mind, I had nine tries. The date of death will revert. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Motion to appointments. And send leads. Letters to them. The ones we discussed. Saying that you have been appointed. All in favor? Aye. Now, appointed by the state with recommendation. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's Health Officer Luke McKay. His term is on March 31st. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Recommend. Motion to recommend Luke. All in favor? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Aye. We probably don't have the paperwork yet. But it's coming in. Can we cover them all? You're up. You're seen up here. Or where ever you're from. **Speaker 26:** Hi. So I'm just here tonight. To talk about the contract. Between the town and BCRC. For the town plan update. So the town received. A municipal planning grant. To cover the cost. Of updating the town plan. And I've already. Coordinated with Nancy and Lori. On signing the state agreement. And getting into that. And we voted online grants management. It's awful. Unfortunately we have to use it. For state grants. So that is. The agreement that you. Executed with the state. But since we'll be your. Consultant working on the town plan. We have an agreement. That we draft up between. The town and BCRC. Which basically just says. You do what? That we're doing it. You know with a. Not to exceed costs. That corresponds to. Your grant award. And just has a. Kind of high level scope of work. That we pull directly from the grant application. That was submitted. And approved by the state. So I'm sorry I didn't make. A committee copy. I wasn't sure if everyone needed a copy. Or I have one extra copy. If anyone does want to look at it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Who's the chair of your committee? **Speaker 26:** Oh yeah. They have no chair. That's right they have no chair. So that yeah. That's just like the first page or two. Is standard like contract language. That we have. If you've had a contract with BCRC before. That's probably somewhat familiar to you. It's just very standard language. And then there is a. Attachment that is. The scope of work again. Pulled directly from the grant agreement. Outlines a rough timeline. The scope of work. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And the budget. **Speaker 29:** This is for the plan. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes for the town plan. So the state sends you the money. Or sends it here to Laurie. **Speaker 26:** And then we pay you. Or does it go to you first. It goes to you. So the grant was awarded to the town of Stamford. And unfortunately. You're going to have to use that. Very non user friendly system. To make payment requests. So I actually. Have a copy of the. Like grant administration guide. For this program that the state has published. Maybe Laurie you might. Maybe like to have this. And it basically. Just goes over. The process for requesting payments. And I believe it is. So you can make. Three requisitions for the grant. The first one. Can be 40% Advanced payment once the grant agreement. With the state has been executed. And you have already done. So you could request that 40%. At basically now at any time. **Speaker 27:** You don't have to show up. **Speaker 26:** No this is an advanced payment. So of the three requisitions. Two are advanced. That you can get in advance. And then the final payment is a reimbursal. So you can submit for a 40% advanced payment. Again right after you execute the grant agreement. Which you've done. And then after that you can submit a. Request for 30% of your grant award. And then after that. After a progress report. That's due at the end of. At the beginning of December this year. So that will be at the end of the year. And then at the end. When the project is complete. Meaning when the town plan has been updated. You can submit a final request. For the remaining 30%. **Speaker 27:** Which would be a reimbursement. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So you're going to. You're going to get recommendations. **Speaker 30:** Right from the. Board looks at it. **Speaker 26:** Yeah. So the scope of work. Also details a public engagement. Campaign as well. And the scope of work. That you have in front of you. Is somewhat high level. Because I think actually. I'll be going to the planning commission meeting. On Monday evening. To really kick off this work. And get into the details. With the planning commission. And get their input. On like more specific details. For a number of these items. I think one thing that's been popular. In a number of other towns. Is getting people together to. You know walk around a certain area of the town. And like point out some of the like. Special you know areas. Or point out you know certain features. But. Then working with the planning commission. To actually like come up with some specifics. For that information. **Speaker 2:** And let them kind of. Be the guide. We did actually have a historical tour pamphlet. **Speaker 31:** Oh really. **Speaker 2:** Yeah. **Speaker 26:** Yeah so something like that. Like we've had a lot of success. Doing this in other communities. **Speaker 1:** Like little wooden plaques. Is that edged stone. **Speaker 32:** Or just projected for hours. **Speaker 26:** Yeah that's really neat. We should definitely talk about that. At the planning commission meeting. What is that. Like a definite. **Speaker 1:** Definite what it's going to cost. 28,000 is a definite cost. Or is it like a projected. **Speaker 26:** Cost amount. That's the budget. **Speaker 33:** And that's the not to exceed cost. **Speaker 26:** Oftentimes when we're working on these projects. With towns. We end up devoting more staff hours to it. Than what is usually the budget. But we don't charge more than what we. We put in that agreement. And that's based on your total. You know grant amount. Which does require a 10% local match. Which I think. Was brought to the board. **Speaker 34:** So the planning commission. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Should have a budget. This year through 2800. **Speaker 29:** And I think a little bit. **Speaker 26:** The schedule that's in the contract there. For paying VCRC. Is aligned with the requisition schedule. In this grant here. So we wouldn't be. Asking you to pay us. **Speaker 33:** Until you have. **Speaker 1:** We should have Nancy sign as. Applying for this. **Speaker 26:** It's very hard. Yeah and I think part of the tricky thing. Is because you Nancy. Is the municipal authorizing official. I think only the municipal authorizing. Or at least with the account access. Of the municipal authorizing official. Can make the requisition. Requests. So yeah. We'll probably have Callie. On the phone too. I know it's a very obnoxious system. I wish it could. We didn't have to use it. And Kurt you're the like. Backup municipal office. So if something were to happen to Nancy. She'll be fine. You are there. For redundancies sake. And that's just sort of the. The state is pretty strict about. The person who can execute the grant agreement. And request payments. Is someone who is. Either a town staff person. Like a town manager. Or an elected official. Like a select board member. But yeah. If you want to work together on that. However you want to handle. It's kind of funny that. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The state can only talk to me. Was it you? I don't remember. It was the state. Sorry you're on speaker with Laurie. **Speaker 26:** Because we both need to do this. Yeah. They have their processes. That they have to stick to. Even though they don't always conform. To the way municipal systems are set up. And yeah. So I'm happy to continue to help. **Speaker 34:** With the grant application system. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I can have a copy of that after. I can have a copy of the signed agreement after. **Speaker 26:** Yeah. So once you've signed it. I'll have my director sign it. And then I'll send the fully executed version. To Laurie. And then I'll be kicking off with the planning commission. On Monday evening. And really excited. And I also want to thank Lisa. And Stephanie. I know she's not here tonight. For really helping with the grant application. And the community support letters. Which help I think. Increase you know. The chances of the towns getting awarded. It was actually a very competitive cycle. For this round. Only half the towns in our region that applied. Got a grant award. Awesome. Thank you. Should I take the sign. **Speaker 26:** Or are you going to sign the agreement. I signed it. So do you want. Let me make a copy. Okay. Thank you Kelly. When we start doing the pilot. The town plan is like. **Speaker 8:** There's a lot of. You know. A lot of input from the planning commission. Initially. But then they. They do all the crunching. Make it look bright. That's what we did last time. And last time was more. More extensive. Well the energy thing came after. Okay. Um. Reading and approval records and orders. Regular minutes. If I was here. February 5th. Were you here. February 5th. We were all here that day. Are we going to finish hearing the visitors. Yep. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Anybody else hearing the visitors. I told you I'd be back. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Tried to skip right over you. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I know. I thought it was it. **Speaker 35:** No no no. I have questions. Just a couple. And Mike generously offered. **Speaker 35:** For me to come and ask you guys. About a couple of budgetary. Just quick things. The 231,000. Most of these are directed at Dave. I think it was for resurfacing. Is that a grant. That we're going to get reimbursed for. It shows. Nothing in the budget. 231,000 was paid out. Oh yes. For East Road. Yes. So that's a budget that we'll be getting. Yes. **Speaker 36:** Yes. **Speaker 37:** Well I thought certain funds. **Speaker 1:** Were left over from certain. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes. What was the whole amount. I can't even remember what the whole amount was. I don't have it in front of me. But it was. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Wait. Some of it's coming from leftover money. Arbor funds. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Arbor funds. And so it was no. **Speaker 35:** Perfect. I scour this. I think that's part of the problem. And then you try to go back and find out. Well where did they get that. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And how did that get plugged in. And the money did not come in yet for East Road. Okay. It would have been nice. **Speaker 35:** And let's see. The third. The third person. I don't recall. Ever a discussion. I thought it was going to be part time. So it's full time now? Yes. Okay. And was there a salary set? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Target for a Lister? **Speaker 35:** No. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** For the highway. **Speaker 35:** Is there a salary set now? Yes. Okay. **Speaker 38:** For an hour? **Speaker 35:** Okay. Yeah. So with everything. Including the overtime and everything. It comes out. So I was just. I don't recall. That discussion on how much of a. How much of an expense. Between. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Executive session. Okay. Figures were talked about. Recommendations. I'm not sure. **Speaker 38:** I thought I looked. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** One of the biggest reasons why. If I'm correct. If Dave wants to correct. That we decided a third person. Is the state's mandates. **Speaker 38:** Or Kansan job of the state. **Speaker 35:** I'm not questioning the third person. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That would diminish some of the overtime. **Speaker 38:** Well. **Speaker 35:** I don't know if that will. It added that exact amount again. So. I don't know if it would diminish. 40 hours. Right. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So the overtime shouldn't. And especially your first year. **Speaker 28:** Person is definitely not good. There was more changes to the. I guess employee power. That adds to that too. It all depends on. A new guy. It was more about demand too. I mean the expectation. But I was against. **Speaker 39:** Not against having three. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Money in a different way. It was more about. A hundred thousand dollars. One of the things. This is where I'm looking at. That's getting less and less and less. And as a businessman. And someone that owns his own business. It goes like that. And you keep putting it off. And tomorrow you go. Boy I need that guy. So I definitely. We could quickly learn. How well we actually have it. **Speaker 35:** Right now. It was the money. I mean. We had an article for. A new truck. We had an article for this and that. And then this was a pretty big. Expense. And I get it. You guys have the power of hiring. So it's totally your decision. It's just more than I expected. **Speaker 28:** That's all. **Speaker 40:** We had a third employee. **Speaker 20:** Yes. The bus business. And the log standards. And for the fun of it. Those are safety standards. The municipalities are exempt. From the safety standards. But when you've got men. Driving trucks in the middle of the night. They're going to get tired. And fortunately. We're exempt from having to pay the fines. If you know. If there is a problem. But I really wouldn't want to see a truck in a river. With somebody asleep in it. So. That's the third person I was questioning. I can understand that. I don't unfortunately know. I think it's. Also. Looks like you had a whole page. **Speaker 35:** I did. But I crossed off a lot. I don't know. I was just asking if anybody knows. What the status is of the logging operation. That is happening. Because Mill Road. It's like a. Crazy to drive through. Because they had the change. Yesterday. They were up and down all day. The road was soft. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm sure I'm not telling Dave anything. Do they go up in the afternoon. **Speaker 38:** Because I noticed in the morning. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** First thing in the morning. I go to work. **Speaker 28:** 430 in the morning. I noticed they're going early. Because they must be trying to get it. Before it softens. They've been in contact with me. In the last few weeks. Yeah. And then other guy. One of the other guys stopped. And saw me the other day. The S&M outfit hasn't stopped to see me. But their trucks didn't even haul today. I've seen their trucks coming out. So I'm assuming they're. They know. They know what's coming. They all know. They're more considerate than probably anybody else on the road. I mean you're still going to have oil trucks. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And propane trucks. Their excavation is Risby Ranch. That's correct. **Speaker 41:** And who's the other one. **Speaker 28:** It's S&M is one of the other ones. And I'm not sure. And where are they hauling out of. **Speaker 42:** 264. **Speaker 35:** Tim's. **Speaker 28:** So they're kind of really. Well aware of. **Speaker 43:** So I was just up there. **Speaker 1:** A day or so ago. When was the day we got all that crap. I was all the way up. Down in Maltese. And I did see like something broke. At the end up there. You guys blow a line or something. I've seen some color in the snow. But the roads look good. They weren't soft by any means. Maybe in the center. Once the sun starts hitting it. Maybe mud up a little bit. **Speaker 28:** Yeah I mean obviously in the next week or so. We're going to see some mud. We're not in road conditions yet. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So I don't speak on that. Let's get to it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Road conditions. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay. **Speaker 35:** Sure. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Minutes we did road conditions. Review and sign town road and bridge standards. You looked them over and we're good? **Speaker 28:** Yeah. **Speaker 3:** They seem to be more thorough than they have. I think you started with reading approval of records and never finished. Because we went right into. **Speaker 44:** Oh that's right. Oh yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All in favor. All in favor. All in favor. All in favor. I move that the city sign public roads and road conditions. Now review and sign town road and bridge standards. **Speaker 28:** Do you have them Laurie. Yes I have them. I don't sign them. Okay. I recommend you sign them. We can't give you grants without signing them. Well let's sign them. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Motion to sign them. **Speaker 1:** Who is to sign them. Bridge Standers. Road and Town Bridge Standers. Sign Town. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You want me to check them? Yes. Where am I signing, Lori? Go to the next page. Just turn it over. Oh, I didn't see the back. Oh, I need a sticker. Oh, we all have to sign? Okay. I'll get a mic and then I'll pass it down. Talk a little bit about the upcoming mud season. Yep. Just be aware that we're going to have a really quick warm-up by the looks of the forecast, so we're obviously going to have some soft road conditions. **Speaker 28:** We obviously can't be everywhere at once, and if the road's not frozen, I can't run, you know, 60,000 pounds worth of stone up the road in a truck to be able to fix 10 feet. I can't ruin miles of road. The patch is all mud. I already heard this before. **Speaker 28:** Yeah. So I would say have some patience. Try to limit the travel. I mean, that's the most important thing. Limit. I see some folks, I'm not pointing fingers, but they come up and down the road six, eight times a day. You know, consider not doing that. **Speaker 1:** It's kind of important not to ride in the same rut, right? Yeah. Try to, like, take the staggers and treads a little bit. Yeah. I mean, it's... It's a beautiful place to live in the forest. **Speaker 28:** Yeah. It's all part of living here, you know. It's not that we don't want to take care of it, but sometimes we can't. With a quick unthought, all the culverts are clear. There's no way of knowing they're buried in snow. **Speaker 28:** We had a lot of rain right in January, and that froze really fast, so if we have a ton of rain, there may be an issue there. T-shirts here. It has some water. Have you posted the roads yet? No. That's probably on the agenda for tomorrow. **Speaker 41:** So if you post the roads, that's it for the... **Speaker 28:** Well, not if it freezes. I mean, if the road's froze, a truck can go up and get wood if it needs to and come up with it. You know, the people that do those jobs are well aware. **Speaker 41:** They know. **Speaker 28:** They know. I mean, I've stopped and talked to all of them. That's why they're moving out. You know, they've moved their equipment out, and they'll be back next winter. **Speaker 8:** It's expensive to get a wrecker up here to pull them out of the mud, so they don't want to do it either. **Speaker 45:** Especially nowadays. There's no wreckers around here anymore. **Speaker 3:** Okay. **Speaker 28:** Ram that we currently have is that that our brother is doing, the turbo that's going down the truck. Another 5-grill. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Have you looked into the buying of the new truck? **Speaker 42:** I have. **Speaker 28:** I have. So at some point, we will have a purchase and sale. I'm currently working. I'm currently working with Chrysler of where we bought the last one. They work with HP Fairfield. We can pay. The service with them? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You've always had good luck service with them? **Speaker 28:** I've never had to bring it back there. I've always bought products with our brothers. The option? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'm sorry? The Stevens? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The Stevens? Of Bennington? The last time I tried to bring something there, they didn't really have a mechanic that could **Speaker 28:** . It seems like the truck's taking you. **Speaker 41:** It is far, but if they have the experience and can work you in and . . . **Speaker 28:** I mean, if it's our brother that's wrong with it, then they have to order parts. Yeah. Yeah. And then they put you back on the list. It's not . . . a lot of times, when they have to order parts, it doesn't mean . . . Yeah, you can't expect them to fix it. Right there. They reschedule the thing. So, like I said, this is initially . . . **Speaker 28:** For this turbo, it went down there well over a month ago. And it's finally just getting fixed now. So, that's . . . I mean, I guess that's the world we live in. So, to have an extra truck would be nice. Right now, I could . . . with three people, you know, I could easily have all three of us on the road. I'm sure tomorrow morning there won't be two of you. So, the service will be slower. Slower than it's been all winter. Yeah. So, we just . . . When you expect that you're going to see a truck at a certain time, and it's not, you know . . . **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I see you at four. **Speaker 28:** Yeah. It might be . . . What else? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** With highway trucks, sand, salt, we're good? **Speaker 28:** Yeah. I haven't seen salt in two months. I ordered a load two months ago. There just is none. So, what . . . From what I was told, the salt supplier's got a contract with New York State, New York City, and they have to honor it. And if they don't, they get fined. They get fined. I don't know if they'll take it. I don't know if they'll take it. They're trying to get it. Right. But, it's just . . . They just need more money than they'll make selling salt to everybody else. So, it's not just us. So, are we out? No, we're not out. I still have salt. Hopefully I've got enough to get through. I mean . . . **Speaker 28:** Okay. Yep. I'm just . . . Sparing. I don't really use a lot considering . . . Sparing? **Speaker 40:** We use it this time of year. **Speaker 1:** You know, if I get . . . Was the paving planned, you know, like . . . **Speaker 28:** Yeah. It was in the sand anyway. We'd be using less sand. It may not be more because the amount of sand we use on the Jepson Row and Sugar Hill is ridiculous. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** When do you think those projects will start? **Speaker 28:** We're going to have to get that bid out. The prices that I did get were at the November index. So now with fuel going up, I don't know what the price will be. I think the sooner we get it in, maybe the better to put the bid out. But who knows what it will be and they may not want it. I would think that somebody like Allstate Asphalt buys ahead. They're so big that they're really going to not store it. **Speaker 39:** Tell them and we can always say no. **Speaker 28:** No, I'm just saying more paperwork for you. They did hire some. I think the snow blower is back. It is. I had a snow blower on the backer. Yeah, that unfortunately was a frosty. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Did anybody come about the water? There was a water problem. They were supposed to come last week. **Speaker 8:** In front of the waterway? Yeah. When I got the kids off, I cleaned it. When I come back, I quit. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Because it may not be just surface water. **Speaker 28:** Well, I think it is. I don't know. I will say when we had 10 below zero, it wasn't frozen. It's probably that. **Speaker 8:** I don't know. We can't say. I can't find out where. I can't see anywhere. It's see me because the water is literally running off the, under the sign number one or two. It's coming from that pile. I'd like to make a motion we never mention the word sign again. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Figure out what's going on with that water. The school said they were going to do it, send somebody down, and we still have the water there. And it may be affecting other spots. **Speaker 41:** Well, the water wouldn't be coming. **Speaker 28:** The water wouldn't be hot. Could it be? Would it be hot? Why would it not freeze? Well, it's like running water. It doesn't freeze. So if it's got a leak in the line, it's just. Maybe the sign is the water line. Kirk. Kirk. You broke that. I think. It's not that far up the hill. I think we're. Whoever's doing the plowing. I got a baseball bat. It's not that far. Right now it was, but when it was 10 below zero. There was no water melting. And it was. And it's water. And there was water. **Speaker 28:** It wasn't freezing. So. Interesting. It's just. I'm not saying there's a leak, but. Well, no. When it starts warming up, I guess, right? Yeah. Water is. Well, when it. You may not notice it. When it warms up. Because once the frost is out of the ground. Well, this whole area is covered with grass. School is sitting. So it may just drain down. Soak right up. Well, when the frost and the ground is froze. So it's coming to the surface. I've got a water leak. I've got a water leak. I've got a water leak. I've got a water leak. I've got a water leak. I've got a water leak. Oh, it's coming to the surface. I've got a water spot. You might want to look into it. Until you don't end up with the same form. **Speaker 2:** Under the plastic. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Under the plastic. Under the plastic side. **Speaker 20:** You have water inside? **Speaker 3:** I have a wet spot, underneath my chair, that as soon as it unthawed enough. It's like this big. It's under the plastic. Frozen spot. Under the chair. Under her office, under the plastic. In her office, under the plastic. Yeah. She needs me coming all up. Water is coming. All of the plastic spot. **Speaker 4:** Under the plastic. A little bit of milk. **Speaker 2:** All of the milk. All of the milk. The water is coming out. I'm not even saying anything, this is too easy. We already have that. We'll keep an eye on that. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, the school is supposed to come down and look at it. **Speaker 1:** I saw some trucks here the other day, but I don't know who they were or what. I mean, they'll see it when the sinkhole shows up. **Speaker 35:** We can't find Lori. **Speaker 5:** The sinkhole, yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And the other people here working, did they fix the alarm system? Yes. **Speaker 3:** Was it just a glitch on the box that we were trying on? Okay. It took them 15 minutes. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So we talk about this at meetings with the school, and every time we had these meetings with the school, and last time we had meetings with the superintendents, I'll look into it, but they came back and said, there's really nothing we can do. One of the big things, that I would like to look into, they're in charge of getting some of them, but they don't really care, because we take care of the snow. We should have a say on this. We should be able to say, let's advertise, get someone in here, hire someone. Why are they in charge of our town, our building? I think the supervisory union hires them. Exactly, they do. But why? Why do they have to? Why can't we do it? Hired a guy. We'll do the quarry checker whenever they need, but then we can say, look, you clean the snow, you remove the snow, you get the water out of there in the morning, this is your job. I don't know why. **Speaker 8:** The state law governs what the schools can do. What do they call it? Supervisory union. Supervisory union. As a building committee, or a building supervisor, that works out of that building, and they're actually in charge of this entire building. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I understand that, but when we say the state is in charge, does that mean it's rule of law, or are they just saying they are so they can get their feather capped? **Speaker 8:** When all this crap was going on, who owns the building and all that, we all know who owns the building. We do. We own the building. So we're in charge of the building. However, when they're in there, and that's a school, then the Department of Education in the state of Vermont is the overseer, the judicial part of it. They're in charge. If you want to be honest about it, we can get thrown out of here. Because there's a public safety issue with the open, with today's guns and all that stuff, and the ability to just come right through that door and do damage. Right? So if you go to any other locked school that's a specific school, there is a big time safety protocol. Right. So, but anyways, seeing as how we're somewhat safe, **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** it's always been this way. There's many school town hall buildings in Vermont. Right. We went down this road before. My point is, and I know the school has their authority because they're a state. I understand that. I don't like it, but I understand it. But I'm just saying is when it comes to taking care of the building, which the janitor is part of that, why can't we talk to them and say, why won't we hire four? **Speaker 8:** You have, and I will say, and I don't know if anybody else is here, but you probably have the best principal over there that you've had in a long time. She's very willing to come here and sit here every Thursday night at the meeting. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** She did. When we didn't have a meeting, she was here, unfortunately. Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We must have a better principal than we had last time because the grades have gone up dramatically. Yeah. That's pretty good. **Speaker 3:** So the janitor works 11 of seven, which is why he can't do the walkways initially, but he will snowblow and do all the rest of it. But he's also doing way more maintenance than the last guy used to. He's painting, he's fixing. He's a great guy. **Speaker 46:** He's really making an effort to... He's doing really good. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Who gives him the hours? Did they negotiate it because of him? Does it fit around his schedule? Well, you've got to kind of **Speaker 6:** put schools in session all day, right? **Speaker 1:** They're making a mess, so it makes sense to have him here later. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right, but I'm saying up there in the snow, when there is snow, should he be able to come in early? **Speaker 1:** Maybe they could address that and have him come in earlier or have him pay more time. **Speaker 8:** To be honest, the way I see it is that we all know and keep saying to ourselves, and it comes out in the meetings every time we talk about this, it's our building. It's our responsibility to do the things. I think we should just... **Speaker 47:** Let's ask this question. **Speaker 1:** If someone was to slip and fall out there and sue somebody, who are they suing? The school or the town? The school. The Times, Stamford. They're going to sue the person with the money. Right. Both of us. Right. The school? **Speaker 28:** The school. The school is a separate line item for the snow cleanup. So, job. Rich. That wasn't happening. Lived in town. Not open today. Or is. So I need to be down there. And the last two custodians we have just haven't been able to fit that into their sheet. So you did the front... Budget $1,500, but they didn't spend anything in fiscal year 25. For snow removal? Snow. It says, Stamford maintenance snow removal. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. **Speaker 2:** That's right. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's right. That's right. That's right. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, the maintenance snow removal. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right. How much is it? 1500. 1,500. There you go, John. Well, here's something that we hired Carol to do. This second one is probably **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** the week. Oh. That's true. You know what I mean? They said, well, we can't have our trash down here anymore. We hired Carol to take the trash from here to there. The town took care of that. Why can't we take that $1,500 and hire someone? Whether it's, you put it out the van or you get someone like Carol that says, eh, An extra $1,500 a year, I'll take that money to come down and take care of the snow. I'm not saying it's Carol or John or anybody else. I'm just saying there's $1,500 that should be getting spent so our men can do what they need to do. **Speaker 1:** I'll tell you right now, it's costing us more than $1,500 to have Dave. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If you want to take our third guy and give him the $1,500 and put it towards us, go ahead. But I'm just saying. Good ways. Yes. If I said to you, geez, I've already heard this before. Geez, Dave, we need to add some more stuff to you. You go, okay, but then I can't do this. We've already been down that road before. You want me to do this, I can, but I can't do this. It's definitely taking me off. Go take care of the cemetery. We're getting rid of the cemetery. I thought you looked like you were a little more buff. Right? Yeah. Not all that showy. There's only so much we can do. I don't want to, I know we're beating it up here, but it just, it's a thorn in my, side with the school. I'm not trying to throw them under the bus, but it's always when there's something that needs to be done, it's our side. It just always seems like, well, let the town look at it. The sign, get the town. Blacktop, get the town. Snow removal, get the town. You know, it's always, what's the town going to do about it? You know? I mean, if there is a water leak, who's going to take care of that? **Speaker 28:** The person that's doing that should almost be at our direction anyways, because the, the problem I was having was I would come down and get the parking lot cleaned up, and then they'd snowball all the snow out into the parking lot, you know, the last two. Right? Right? So, you know, if it snowed, he was here before me, and when I got here, I'd plow, and then it was done. **Speaker 41:** Well, that goes back to what Burt used to say about the town. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Why can't we ask the school to hire somebody just for the snowball? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Maybe this guy they just hired doesn't know about this. Hey, I got an extra, that's their dollar if I come here and do this. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** There's a line item. Not, not janitor. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Does she actually know that there's a line item for $1,500? I don't know. **Speaker 28:** I know that when I talked to Maya, I actually brought it up. They may not have known originally. See, we used to have, there used to be a, kind of like a contract. That's right. I was going to say it was never an issue then. Right. There was a janitor here for like 20 years. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's right. He wasn't, he was not the janitor. No, that was me. I lived with him. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yes. So I've come down here. Yep. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. I don't know the rules of, versus mass on all these things, but I mean, Carson, their janitor used to do all of that. He did the town field, and he did the, the snow removal, you know, it's changed, I understand that, but I'm saying that if the money's available, and it's just sitting there, and you're over there doing the job, or Jim's trying to get rid of the water, which is great, that's volunteering, that's great, but I'm saying that we go back to liability, you know? **Speaker 28:** Well, I will say that there are... I mean, I was on the road in here the other night, I was going around, and trying to stop, around, and trying to shovel, I'm not keeping up with it, but there was still three inches or so, and I had to shovel every time, and I mean, somebody could obviously fall, you know, you almost needed someone to stand in your shovel. You did. I shoveled my paper. More like maintenance men, not janitors. Yeah. **Speaker 2:** No, maintenance men encompasses the janitor aspect of it. Right. But it's just more... Oh, yeah, they'd walk by. And they'd be able to mow the lawn, and they'd be able to do snow. **Speaker 8:** Yeah, this guy that got out is really good. He'd paint the building. The problem is, is where we're at, they can't find anybody to be here. They can't find anybody that would last long, so they kind of let them pick their own hours. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, that's why I wondered if it were working around his schedule, or does he know that it's available? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Can we ask the school board, like in September, you need to hire someone to do snow blowing at four in the morning, or five in the morning? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** At least spend the money that you have available to spend. Well, I'd like to just ask the principal, say, does... Yeah, these hours that you gave them, is that because that's what we said we were going to do? Or could you talk to them and say, could you come in early? Maybe the guy said, yeah, I can do that. **Speaker 28:** Somebody that's coming here already, maybe they didn't go in with the $1,500, but somebody that's going to have to come here specifically to do that job, as demanding as it could be in a winter like this winter, I mean, that's almost every day. Yeah. And then you need to know, like, the library's open on Saturdays, so you have to make sure that that's accessible. Mm-hmm. And then you need to know, like, the library's open on Saturdays, so you have to make sure that that's accessible. Mm-hmm. And then they have Sunday, we have a basketball crew, I forget what night we have, pickleball. Yeah, one day. So you have to know that these things have to be done. Right. **Speaker 48:** We live in the northeast, you think it would be automatic that you need someone to remove the snow. **Speaker 2:** Right. Well, we did before, that's what I'm saying. There was... **Speaker 28:** So Rich, Rich did it the best by far. Right. He was here, he knew he had to be here, he knew what the schedules of everybody were. And since then, you know, a lot of times it gets let go, especially those, you know, Saturdays or days when there's no school, the lorry's open, you know, it hasn't been getting done. But, yeah, it can be moved forward, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I was calling the last janitor to say, hey, you know, you got to get there, because that's what the principal had wanted me to do, but he started saying he couldn't be here, and, I mean, it takes more than I could realize, but that's it. Can we move on to the next question? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it takes more than I could realize, but that's it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Can we move on and figure out, do this in the fall, or are you going to talk to somebody now, or? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, I can continue doing what I'm doing. Well, yeah, we have no choice. Well, we have a choice, I guess, but. **Speaker 7:** Right now. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We don't have anybody. I'm doing the best I can. Right now. Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I will make a note for August. Talk to the principal. Talk to the principal about snow removal. Anything else on your road? **Speaker 1:** Okay. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Recycling. Recycling. We all know Buzz is having difficulty showing up at the recycling center and working. He called a couple weeks ago and asked if he could move down to the fill-in position and let Joey Ficini take the full time with Carol. I said I'd have to bring it up to the board. Yes. Buzz would like to fill in, and we also have Steve Senecal as a fill-in, and Carol usually calls one or the other to fill in if Joey can't, so is there any problem with that? No. No. And Buzz said he'd like to come down and visit sometime, because he misses the people, too. He's kind of like the social greeter. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's what, hang on, I'm going to take it away from him. Yeah. Okay. If he was feeling better, we had some snowy coming. I know. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Anything else on recycling? Recycling. Discussion. Review results of town meeting. Pretty good turnout. Not bad. **Speaker 1:** There were some concerns about the electrical on Jepson. I'm sure once the time comes, Dave will be right on it, making sure they're not digging up the road or whatever. **Speaker 28:** Before I left, I had a message about that. **Speaker 39:** To information given to the people or you? **Speaker 28:** From me, but from the resident that's there. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. So it's not going to go underground. Right. Right. I just don't understand. Why? We'll be working on the poles, if you've got anything to do with it. Right. But I will contact Grinnell Power. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes. Keep us informed. I have nothing else on town meeting. Very orderly. Nope. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think it was good. **Speaker 1:** The other issue was a lot of questions about the road, which we're going to look into, right? We're going to put some bids out. **Speaker 3:** So how soon should I be looking at financing for these projects? **Speaker 28:** I would assume it's going to happen at some point this summer, so. We'll work with Lori, get in touch with her and say, hey, we've got to have money. How fast do you think they'll do the bidding? Like, how fast do you think when you reach out, they're going to do that? Well, Lori and I, we can set a date. **Speaker 28:** I mean, we set a date. We send out the information for weeks to get it done. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Typically, how many bidders? Two. Two. **Speaker 28:** Well, Warner. If you get one, that's the first. Right. For them, somebody wants to do it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Warner's the one you got the numbers from, right? Yeah. Right. Which would be nice if we could reach out to them and say, hey, if you can honor your quotes. Yeah. **Speaker 28:** And I mean, if you want me to do this. Then I'd be happy to do that. **Speaker 49:** If this, I don't think it's going to get any lower. **Speaker 28:** I don't know. I mean, I'm a little concerned with the trace oil jump up. It specifically says right on the quote that, you know, this is as November comes. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Every single quote I get, it says pat on it. They may be happy to lock in the work. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Subject to change. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. Oh, yeah. You can quote a $20,000 piece of material and it comes in as $25,000. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What else? I'm telling me everything. Okay. And seem to run smoothly. Very quiet. Very organized. Everybody. **Speaker 1:** JP did good with running the show. Yeah, really. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** He seemed civil. He did. We can be civil people. We have to. I'd like to see bigger attendance. Yeah, well, that wasn't bad. More than usual. Yeah. **Speaker 1:** I was surprised with the school site meeting. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Very quiet. Boom, boom, boom. **Speaker 1:** Yeah, well, there's a lot of confusion. You don't really need to. It's confusing. It's confusing. Nobody wants to ask the question. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think they purposely fudged the presentation so they're just like, oh, yeah, whatever. **Speaker 8:** So the school ended up for years and didn't understand anything they were describing. Right. Ever. Right. You can't understand their formulas or anything. No. But now it's a different system and they explained it quite well, I thought. I thought it was cool the state reps were there, too. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That was nice. The only thing I didn't like is when they go from pennies to percent. Percents. So you go from nine cents to 15%. That's what I was going to say. Stick to one or the other because it almost like they're trying to make things sound good. Yes. Tell the truth. Yeah. That's how they teach math today. That's where I didn't understand. Tell me percent. Yeah. Any percent? No. Oh, okay. That's fine. That's why I asked. It says 15% right here. What's that mean? Well, because we have less students. Oh, yeah. That's fine. Yeah. **Speaker 22:** They said nine cents. **Speaker 8:** Yeah. I'm going to raise my hand. Did you say nine percent? **Speaker 22:** Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Because it was quick. **Speaker 8:** Right. And he said, oh, no. No, no. Of course. But he explained it. That's fine. He added out nine cents. Right. And I'm thinking. But that was what? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Three questions. **Speaker 8:** What's that? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. I mean, seriously. Who does that? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Auditor's recommendation. That's Lori. **Speaker 3:** So we're still working to finalize our con balance figures. We don't really know where that is yet. But he did leave me with several recommendations. For me to work on this year. And then ideas when we're talking. He wants me to continue accounts and merge them into one big account. His thought is we may not have forms so that I could. He recommended that we change how we. The delinquent tax. Budget income. And expense of what. Through taxation. Filling permits. So if somebody pays 300 bucks. 150 of it in this account over here to pay Deb. But then I'm not using it. Because we're paying Deb. Over here on this expense account. And it's not working. So instead of budgeting the plus and the minus. He said there really isn't any need to budget it. Because it's going to come out of this pot over here from the permit. **Speaker 12:** Only budget the difference as income. **Speaker 3:** Right. And the like the delinquent tax collector receives 5% of the penalty that comes in from tax. So instead of budgeting the whole thing. So you don't have to budget for it. Paying out the whole thing. We only collect 8% penalty and we pay her 5%. By rights we really only need to budget the 3% that the town is going to keep as income. And not do the. He said sometimes do it the way we're doing it. And it's not a bad thing. But it's just not so clean. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Now what about the. **Speaker 44:** With it. **Speaker 3:** Because to me I'm used to having cemetery money here library money here. And you know what he's saying is. I'm already doing it. Dave doesn't have his own account. And yet all of his highway funds are tracked separately. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. **Speaker 3:** So we're doing it. I just have to get used to that idea of you know Dave's money is totally separate in the computer. Even though it's already in my pot. And we need to look at that same way with cemetery and the other funds. So I'm closing accounts and putting them stale checks that had on cash for years. I have to send them. We know we are going to be doing regularly like every five years. Dave likes to do a paving project. He thought we should set up a highway capital for five years. You're going to need 200,000 and you just put 40,000 in every year and use your money. You're getting interest on your money and then you're using your money. And he's feeling like interest rates are really was great when you know borrowing to buy a new truck. It's not something we have to do. **Speaker 2:** He's saying I mentioned that didn't we. Some more of that. Well fun yeah but. **Speaker 28:** That's nice but you're going to all of a sudden one year you're going to have to put in like. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right because you're still doing the budget. **Speaker 28:** You have to check seal projects 200 and now that's 400. So you're going to have a year with like 350,000 on top of the budget to start gaining you know. Right because we're doing it now. I guess we can do it in five years but. And to do it and to plan for it is hard. **Speaker 3:** Even if we just plan for one or. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm actually surprised you said interest rates aren't going to go down. They just went down. **Speaker 3:** Well. He just kind of figured as a whole this is where he thinks it would be a good way to go. It's just something to think about but not a requirement. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Easier. Good. **Speaker 20:** Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yes. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yep. Yeah. Um correspondence signed certificate of no suit pending for the 2025 grand list. Yes. **Speaker 12:** So you'd like to sign on the right hand side there. **Speaker 3:** All of you get to sign. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No suit pending. **Speaker 3:** Make a motion. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Wow. Motion agreed. **Speaker 20:** Motion agreed. And so Hunter Excavation wanted to have permission and it's kind of a moot point now but we should still sign it to be able to plow the roads like in the winter where he was doing his logging. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They already did plow the roads. **Speaker 3:** And so he signed this like a month ago but we didn't have a meeting and so now here we are. Um there was an attendant back then when he was doing the logging and he paid for recording fee and everything. He paid for the recording fee. Thank you. Is this the right way to plow? Can we talk about the insurance we need? What about the road being plowed? Example. Take it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Certificate of insurance and everything. Yep. Speaking of this plowing, are there somebody plowing above Wally Dolly's? Is that road being plowed? **Speaker 1:** I haven't gone over there to say if it is. **Speaker 14:** Have you noticed? **Speaker 1:** Hit and miss. Some dates it is and other times it's not. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well if somebody's plowing we really should have them. **Speaker 1:** I know if someone goes up there, there's vehicle tracks, but I don't know who just trail them up there during the winter time. That's on the first roof up here. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's on the first roof up here. It's not fair to Hunter or the other two that have their certificate of insurance and liability insurance that they're plowing. Is that Stephanie's place? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's where we stopped. Beyond Stephanie's place, yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, she goes all the way to Shank Grove. Stephanie does. Her land does. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, her land does, but you only plow Wally Doley's old house. It's going to always be Wally Doley's. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, it stops at Wally's house. That's internal. Just like Tim and Ray. Tim and Ray, yeah. They still live behind me, right? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yep. It's up a town away. **Speaker 3:** We're going to spill excess weight permit from Belco to sign. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** To sign. All in favor? Aye. All in favor? And we have the contract for Nimerick, who is our assessing services. But now we have Alister. Alister. Well, he's always had one Lister. Another one was elected, but she hasn't taken her oath yet, so I don't know where that is standing. **Speaker 42:** She may not know. **Speaker 49:** Maybe. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** She may not know, but she has to call her. If she does though, if she accepts it, it's all right. We'll have two Listers. We have two Listers. What do we need to do with Nimerick? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, I don't think, and Deb agrees, will you be up and running by April 1st? No. I don't think so. Good. No. **Speaker 36:** No. **Speaker 35:** And I've been in contact with Beth Miller, who's the district advisor for us. Right. She wanted to meet today, but I said give us until next week because she'd like to have you there also, Nancy, and whatever Listers we might have. So I am going to try to hit ground running, but I mean, I know how to appraise, but I don't know the whole system. Well, I do. It's only a year that you were elected. You didn't take any training, right? No, because I didn't want to. You didn't think it was because there was no one else. You would have had to pay me for my hours of training. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And we would never know if we ever did. And we didn't know if the whole thing was going to go forward. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So there are, there. **Speaker 50:** The first course is the first training is the 16th. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Part-time is, you know, the second year already, it will be the first. It will be the fourth year already. Yes. I don't know. Have you been there? No. Well. Well, I will be there in a couple weeks. I'll be there in a couple weeks. I'll try it out. Yes. **Speaker 35:** you know go forward so there are there the first courses the first training is the 16th homestead downloading homesteads is it homesteads and okay I **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** believe that's what it is that's what I heard okay and there's it was supposed to be downloaded mid-february but their system wasn't working okay so we couldn't get the downloads so this is what happened so you file I'm sorry you file your homestead you're arrested get shipped up to the state with your taxes the state sends it back to the local listers and then we have to say yes this is he's arrested or no he's not if we say no the state's supposed to send a letter but something has changed with this new V pie back and forth that the **Speaker 35:** V pie is what it is I have to get I don't know anything about it okay because she asked me if I **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** work with V pie and V pie is a transfer of information between the state and but it seems like local people are doing the work of the state and in four years **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** we're going to have to do another reappraisal so do you think we should keep NIMRC for X amount of months **Speaker 35:** I think NIMRC would be who is it now what's it Stacey Bradley is our that's what she thought yes John is retired so Stacey is **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** don't say anything I wish we could get someone closer than Stacey **Speaker 35:** she kind of used her more than qualified I mean gosh she's where is she from Montpelier no she's not from Montpelier Londonderry that's even further up is it St. Johnsbury she was going to come right down I might be wrong so and then she said she was after the well oh London's here wait a minute London's here wait a minute London's here wait a minute London's here wait a minute London's here wait a minute London's here wait a minute London's here wait a minute London's here wait a minute she was asking about Microsoft Teams so that we can all meet at times when she can she is 100% committed to getting getting us going somewhere even even if we don't have another Lister getting me trained and working side by side to minimize what NIMRC would have to do so we have to do something about that right **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** and so it's going to be some time but we should what is this how long is this a year, till December. This is hourly. Oh okay its hourly yeah and they shouldn't be doing that much **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** anyways because. Well this is kind of a busy time, its a very busy time and theres a timeline that stuff has to be done by April 1st. and then you have so long to file your abstract and then you bring out your current contract. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** lists are all dates but the assessments are all pretty much installed just new stuff would be assessed okay yeah they're they're done except yeah except for the appraisal like our grand list **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** is already done but the new stuff the buildings right now if something transferred and it's uh we have it assessed for say ten thousand and sold for a hundred thousand whoa we better take a look at that what is there that was missed is there an addition or somebody just had cash yeah they were lucky this is this is where i think hiring a ceo for all new construction we don't have the the **Speaker 8:** resources for that if not a building you walk through you walk through when it's completely done **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** that's the listers do that they have they have their permit and they will look at it this year oh it's they they it's done **Speaker 15:** done yet so they'll put it on the list to go back next year ceos are for more like health and safety **Speaker 8:** so technically that's exactly what a uh that's what they're that's what we're looking to do us for ceos this is exactly what you just described is all you really need to have a certificate of occupancy you don't have to call it can you say yeah i don't think we want to have anything that says this building is safe it's safe to move to it is needed that way for the plan yeah it generates a whole layer of public employees i'd love to see a district-wide uh building inspector i think that would be great but **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** you'll never see that right seems like there's be enough work for them not not in stamford or reedsboro why you could keep someone busy so to go along with this numeric right now i'm the assessor a clerk is doing everything so if we get two or three listers I suggest one of **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** them do the assessing yeah but at this point we can we have to sign this **Speaker 35:** copy I think we should that's that was a good job yeah I don't know it **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** she actually wants sometimes in the heat of the yeah there is right to her did did you maybe one pack oh this there's a chart here town agreement checklist what NIMAR does and what the municipality will do oh sure yeah do you want to sign this their monthly their hourly rate will be 95 dollars per hour 47.50 per hour for travel and if they go beyond state boards and to superior court it's 145 dollars an hour **Speaker 8:** and when you have them do something is there a round of hours that they put into it **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** no what was the question they just didn't know if they had to cancel any time no we use them they **Speaker 7:** get paid for four hours he's been employed for how long one year one year till december 31st so **Speaker 37:** we don't have to give them the work we can say right but you're securing them right right right **Speaker 1:** gets her a year to get trying to get ready yeah all of her so yeah motion to sign is either an editor an outfit in boston or something right they don't right and we we didn't even have anybody come **Speaker 1:** in when we sent it out so uh what's the training costs for the listeners like **Speaker 35:** um it's mostly by the state so the only the only thing which we discussed with you in training **Speaker 51:** is part of the state part of our list of positions right important position you have two and we're **Speaker 52:** looking dead well if kristen takes it if she doesn't then you'll be on discussion with who's that **Speaker 35:** yeah want to clarify this with her a lister with a number a number of necessarily you can go in and do the values so who would sign off on the green listing these are who would defend it she wants to meet with us and sign that number contract you guys used to have a pretty big mr department those three people that consistently did it for a while **Speaker 2:** three weeks i think so that's the that's the key to his consistency over time **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** but when i first started it was paper **Speaker 1:** and to make it worth their while though you know nobody wants to come forward and do the **Speaker 53:** job if it ain't going to be worth doing that so um we have to talk about what **Speaker 35:** dedicated station or something or a computer so that we're not there arguing with you know our people are competing for space right there that's the listers isn't that sally's computer now sally's **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** not there anymore it's me for her delinquent she does that out of her house or even if if she did it here they'd have to because lori was here when i was here and she worked there we kind of worked and worked around and worked around attorneys came in and i got the boot old business um i don't think it would have been a second but i don't think people did you do to sign **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** old business uh new business okay um new business the select board received a letter from someone saying that the open meeting law was violated and i'd like to discuss this in executive session um see what the board wants to do about this and first we can do that after so i'd like to do that in executive session sure and anything else under new business i'd like to make a motion to go into executive session with personnel legal matters and with debt to discuss lister's salary and i also with **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** the ao stuff because i had a question okay good take care of yourself **Speaker 8:** big guy get out of here **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** she's always looking at which ones i'm going to go by oh yeah and i was just looking at so what was on our list our list **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** who just came out of executive session um the board is appointing deb burchard as ao for one year and we have set the salary for training for the listers which they will be paid during their training deb is going to get back to us with help about how many hours and she's working very closely with the district advisor that's mike's uh