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title: "Stamford Select Board — December 4, 2025"
date: 2025-12-04
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present: [Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, Douglas Wright]
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# Stamford Select Board — December 4, 2025

**Session:** Regular · **Duration:** 40 min · [Audio](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mK9pLf9x4Lpc_NdpQA8sWlhvSvbiGaYX/view?usp=sharing) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%2012-4-25.pdf)

**Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, Douglas Wright
**Absent:** Kurt Gamari, John Dunn

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**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I call the meeting to order with a Pledge of Allegiance.

Pledge of Allegiance.

**Speaker 1:** To the flag of the United States of America.

**Speaker 2:** To the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Welcome to a meeting of the Stamford Select Board. If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address. You will notice that all our meetings are recorded and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes. Visitors are welcome and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and 15 minutes per topic. Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others. Select board members present are.

**Speaker 3:** Michael G. Denault.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Nancy Bushika.

**Speaker 3:** Douglas Wright.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Will there be any adding of items or removing items from tonight's agenda? Okay.

**Speaker 2:** I do have that correspondence.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, I have correspondence too, and then there's correspondence. Will there be any adjustments to the agenda such as changing the order of items? Okay, hearing of visitors.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What did you want to do for adjournment? Adjournment first. You need your forces to stay here.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Reading and approval of records and orders from November 20th.

**Speaker 4:** Motion to approve.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Second.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, all in favor? Aye. All right, highway update, Dave?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Did you do the visitors? Nobody wants to talk? Nobody wanted to talk. Uh-oh.

**Speaker 1:** We've been down on some heating issues in the garage.

Unfortunately, we're gonna have to replace both sources of heat in the gas furnace.

**Speaker 1:** This temporarily needs to be replaced. Parts weren't gonna be available for the wood furnace until February. That's if they actually, the wood furnace is on sale for $2,000. And do you wear a furnace? Yeah. It's just a forced hot air. Yep. So, if you wait it out, I'm gonna spend more than $1,000 in gas.

Sure.

**Speaker 1:** So, I might as well just get the new furnace and we're starting new again with the furnace. I can either toss the old one or keep it and fix it and, you know. It's on sale for $2,000?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. My father-in-law just bought a wood stove for $2,400. So, it's good. Yeah, it was $3,000. Yeah. It was on sale for $2,000.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. It was $2,000. It was $2,000. It was $2,000. Yeah. It was on sale on Cyber Monday. Yeah. So, it just made sense that we just buy a new one.

**Speaker 5:** You're installing it?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. The wood furnace will install. It's supposed to be in tomorrow. Yeah. So, but Kyle from H.A. George came up and breathed a little life into the gas one to kind of get us through. Yeah. They already had the replacement gas furnace for us. It's just they gotta get their forklift up there and so it's gonna, you know, it's a bit of a job because it's home from home. Yeah. So, it's a little bit of a job because it's home from home. Yeah. So, it's a little bit of a job because it's home from home.

Yeah. So, it's a little bit of a job because it's home from home.

**Speaker 1:** So, it's a little bit of a job because it's home from Derek Holder. Yep. So, they weren't able to do that. They came up yesterday with the intention of doing it. You got a price on that? It's 882.25"? I think was the price we got for gas. That's installed. He's burning that in, I think. Yeah. So, but they have it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's just a matter of months up to be there.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah.

As far as this time of year, they're pretty busy so.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah.

Oh, yeah. We have been hearing from them yesterday. No, it's not when it's installed. Well, kind of, it was a quick answer. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** Your legs were under pressure to your little man.

**Speaker 6:** Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** heat, I'm good with it. Yep. Always keeps a man left on hand. Huh? Always, everybody keeps a man left on hand. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

**Speaker 1:** All the equipment's running, we've been out, you know, the weather we've been getting. Sounds good. That's it. Did you have, uh, James plow? Yeah, he plowed the other day. Doing okay? Yeah. Nice. Glad that's working. Yeah. Uh, recycling. They're still bringing the crummy dumpsters, trying to get them to, we have to buy them. Is it worse, though, in the summer? It's hard to say, I guess you'd have to ask Carol or Paul. Moving on to discussion, future, plan future budget meetings. Before you move on, um, I've had one caller submit his registration. Oh yeah. For 2020.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think probably the Alliance is sending it out. Yeah. So they must have got them out pretty early to get that one back, and that one's usually pretty good, responds. So if they don't respond, I'll be calling them January, in mid-January. Future budget meetings, uh, we were going to start, uh, reviewing employees this week, but because of the tree lighting, so, um, we're hoping to have, come on in, sit down. We're hoping to have the, uh, executive session, budget review next week at, what did we say? Oh, 6 o'clock. But Lori, uh, you're scheduling another meeting at 5.30, right?

**Speaker 2:** So, um, not on the 18th. I had a second call today, so you're going to have a 5 o'clock and a 5.30 board of abatement. Okay. And then your regular 6 o'clock meeting.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No, the 18th. On the 18th. Okay. All right. So next Thursday, 6 o'clock, executive session, reviewing, uh, wait, Cindy, reviewing employees. Okay. All right. For those of you that were here for the tree lighting, um, I just wanted to say again, thank you, Cindy. This is seven years that we've been doing the tree lighting. Um, thank you for taking this on. Um, and like I said, next year, maybe you can order better weather and not so cold.

**Speaker 7:** I'm going to leave cookies on Lori's desk because I was anticipating a little bit more participation. I know the weather's crappy. Yeah. But even in Reedsboro, we get like 50 to 60 people that come out. Yeah. So 10 dozen cookies is nothing. So I was like, okay, so I'm not going home with them all. So I'm going to put them on here. 10 dozen on your desk and there's some right there too. 10 dozen on your desk? No. Well, no, they are. And then I am going to leave her another three dozen. Yeah. Bring them to your kids at school too. No, because I'm not there tomorrow. Oh, okay. And the principal really frowns on a lot of sweets. Yeah. Gets the kids. So a big difference from the days of Mr. Ethier and Mr. Switz and things are different. Yeah. You can't be giving treats. Okay. Thank you.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you, Cindy. Thank you, Cindy. And I want to thank Gene and Lori for decorating the tree and providing refreshments. Mike for putting it up. Mike, yes. Mike, thank you. Okay. So December 11th, executive session, the 18th at 5 o'clock. Correspondence, Lori. Do you guys go to the finance committee? No. Last year we had no volunteers. Okay. Should even maybe the year before.

**Speaker 2:** Maybe the year before. Yeah. A bill from the attorney. I think Nancy has it in her box. If you guys want to look at it. It's not as scary as I would have thought it was. Well, we don't have all our bills in yet. Not close to what I thought it was. We'll have the figures to see what the assessor fee was. And yeah. And the Rural Fire Protection Task Force had submitted, last year they submitted a request. For an appropriation. And our policy says any increase or new organization needs to have a petition. Which they didn't do. So last year there was no appropriation made to them. And then this year they automatically submitted their request again. So I returned my normal email saying here's our policy. You know, you're now kind of considered a new organization plus the increased amount. You'd have to do a petition. He discredited the fact that he is a social service organization. He would like us to honor the request. But he also said, if not, I'm not doing a petition. So, disregard it. So I don't know how you feel.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You can talk at warrant time too, but why have a policy if we're going to just every time just say, okay. I don't care. Yeah. Yeah. Who is this? Vermont Rural Firefighters. I don't want to give you guys grants, but can you go up to the fire station and get 30 signatures and get a petition? 38?

**Speaker 3:** If we had 30 people show up at the firehouse, we'd only get about 16 at a good day.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I got a lot at recycling too. And if anybody wants to do it, there's still plenty of time. The petitions don't have to be in until probably mid-January.

**Speaker 2:** January 15th.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Um.

**Speaker 8:** What did they ask for?

**Speaker 2:** 200. They should be at 100. So when they upped it to 200, I told them they needed a petition. This is our policy. And they didn't bother. So, again, this year they're looking for 200. But now that they've lapsed a year, they have a double hurdle. They have to start over.

**Speaker 8:** I'll try to remember to bring it up at the firehouse and see if somebody needs to pick it up from there.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. The wording has been in other years. Signatures in the town report, how to word it. Yep. Signatures. The other thing I have is an upcoming event for VLCT. It's Open Meeting Law Basics. It's a webinar. December 10th, 10 to 1130. You can sign up at home and watch from your own computer at home or you can come here to the town office. Laurie usually has one set up here if there's more people that want to watch. Okay. And you can come see this webinar. It's free.

**Speaker 9:** And it's free.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'm sorry, the date again? December 10th. It's next Wednesday. Wednesday. Wednesday, 10 to 1130. Open Meeting Law Basics. Laurie took it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Twice. Three times. Well, they always tell you something new that you probably don't want to hear. Yeah. Also, the governor will be in Bennington tomorrow. 1040. 1045 to 1145 at the Bennington Firehouse, River Street in Bennington. He has a meeting of Southern Vermont fire chiefs, police chiefs, select board members regarding public safety in our communities. So if anyone's interested in going and be up there and we can let them know what we are fine with our coverage. Mike, you could go, huh?

**Speaker 10:** I'm fine with our coverage.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think we've got more state trooper coverage now that we don't have a contract than we ever had. True. He comes down all the time. He speaks with me all the time now. I'm happy with him. Good. And it doesn't cost us anything. He's the fellow who lives and meets me. Yeah. So he spends a lot of time in this town now.

**Speaker 3:** Which is nice. I bet you he's done more this summer than the sheriffs did. Not to put the sheriffs down.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Have you noticed where he sits? A lot of places. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

**Speaker 6:** Not one spot where you can figure him out at 11 o'clock in the afternoon.

**Speaker 1:** I liked it when he backed into the sign right here.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The church? Yeah.

**Speaker 11:** He backs into the sign so you can't see him coming from Belmont.

**Speaker 8:** Yeah. But you know what? You can't see him coming from Belmont.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. That's the thing. And again, I'm not saying the new sheriff. Because we never hired him. But the old sheriff. They were spending the same up at the fire department. Sitting there. We're paying that your money.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's crazy. Okay. That's all I have under correspondence. Old business. Anything on the 911 numbering update?

**Speaker 8:** Town sign update? That's what I called them today.

**Speaker 12:** Got no response back.

**Speaker 8:** I was going to say the bracing is gone. Okay.

**Speaker 12:** So they must have the sign ready to go.

**Speaker 13:** I thought what a day you picked today.

**Speaker 8:** It's funny because it's every single thing. It's like each step is a different day. Yes. It's usually a week away. And I call them on the phone and say look. Got a meeting tomorrow night. I need some progress before something. And then the next day. That's why you're sitting out there on Thursday morning. Yep.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yep. Okay.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Any other old business? I have a question. Yes sir. So we had some emails about conflict of interest. And I want to either ask the question or resolve the problem. We talked about the conflict of interest on the planning board. The planning board assured me there was no conflict of interest. I looked it up. I didn't see a conflict of interest. There is questions or that I don't know. Look at something. It could imply the threat. But the state does not say you can't do it.

**Speaker 14:** And you're in reference to the

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** zoning officer and the planning board being on both.

**Speaker 8:** Who was the officer? The zoning board. So I did all the research before when I was the zoning administrator. And there was nothing in our handbook just like the handbooks that you guys give me that gives you what every person is supposed to do. There's nothing in there. So if you look under the conflict of interest laws and rules because somebody brought something else up to me and I looked into it and it was in reference to Gene. I'm just throwing it out there. And I said it's the same exact language as they use in this case that you're referring to. If anything appears to be a conflict of interest it could so when it comes up to land certification the deeds and stuff like that if somebody appealed it and she's sitting on the zoning board of appeals that's the conflict.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But she would just have to So when a conflict comes up

**Speaker 11:** you just recuse yourself.

**Speaker 8:** However, she cannot sit on the ZVA. That's written in the book. Deb? Deb. She can't sit. So that's solved. She could be like the clerk. In fact they recommend her to be the clerk of the ZVA. But she's not a voting member she can't sit at the table. None of that. But that's what the law reads.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Is Deb on the ZVA? She's not on the ZVA.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And the reason why I ask is we got an email I'm not taking the email for gospel by any means. I just want to address it because we did get the email. Is there a conflict? Does it look like there's a conflict? Does it imply there's a conflict? I read the laws and the law says especially in a small town it happens many times where people sit on one board. We've had that as long as 10 years. I know that you and Sally and Dave and Sheila they all sat on the same boards before. These are older folks that have been on these boards forever. I'm not having a problem with that.

**Speaker 8:** I just want to address it. It's like for she can't sit on certain boards. Right.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The slot board

**Speaker 8:** we can't run for her. Right. But the language is very specific. It basically says that it's like you can't and you can't but also in Vermont there's some language that says in the law if you read it and I'm sure you guys probably already glanced over everything already numerous times but in the law it says if there is a perception then the select board may then at that point if there's more in other words if you've got a bunch of resumes and you don't want that perception then we couldn't.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And the same thing I wanted to bring up with yours your position too. So we sit down with the personnel and we set a rate so you're doing you're doing this job now so if the board sets a rate she would recuse herself she don't have to but she could she probably will. The select board would set that rate so there's no because she could say I want $100 an hour say no but she could you know what I mean She would have to recuse herself on her own trying to give herself a raise

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's what I'm saying

**Speaker 15:** That's what I'm saying

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** so there's times where you do it but then that's it you don't have to where the select board cannot run for her position

**Speaker 8:** Right There's no specific language on that situation of Jean basically it says in there if there's an image or a perception that it could be then the select board may not do it but there's no I don't think I don't think there's anybody that has an issue I think it's just something

**Speaker 11:** Pete wanted to make sure that there is not

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** but maybe there's something else going on I think the question came from people that do have an issue at least one of you and that's why I want to address it because that part of our constituents I want to make sure that we're doing the right thing because I asked the question last time and I want to make sure that we're doing the right thing When we appointed her I asked the question and Pete knew I went back and looked at the law

**Speaker 8:** and you're right there's a chart that tells you the laws and stuff that we're working on and the work the Monday sessions that we're doing here at the center which has been working out really good Are you doing that every Monday? Well whenever we've only done two they're warranted So the thing is we didn't want I know you guys told us that we could just do because it's a work session we're not voting or anything like that but we did some research on that and you can't if you guys all of a sudden decide you want to call a work meeting you've got to warrant that meeting so we do that so we've had two of them already and it's been working great but it works out works out well Do you have any

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** visitors there

**Speaker 8:** observed? Jim So they're on our little we call them up there on the committee because Jim don't shut up

**Speaker 13:** we can't

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** we have to throw them out They would be the same people that would be here there's no more down there than there would be here or even time wise you think it's more people

**Speaker 8:** No I mean because we have we might have five or six members at one time there last week there was only three of us

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** so he's our chair so if you're not ready and you're warranted and it's not a if it's not a quorum

**Speaker 11:** can you still do it?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's not a quorum

**Speaker 8:** we're not voting on it Can you still do it?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's really like a work session That's what I was thinking But we warrant it so that everybody has a chance So people can come and talk about it If they hear something they want changing a bylaw I don't really think that's a good idea It's 11 o'clock in the morning I had to have a beer That's a joke Don't put that in there You said it, it must be true

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's on Facebook It's got to be true

**Speaker 13:** TikTok

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Any other new business? We're good You probably noticed that the house on Mill Road right next to the recycling area that's up for sale it's been listed for $60,000 I thought it was $84,000

**Speaker 12:** No, it's $60,000

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The burned out building You want to buy it for $20,000? .9 acres Is it something we want to investigate?

**Speaker 10:** If we write a letter to the realtor

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't like the side of the road

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I know, but there's a little bit on the other side, but how much?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What's the shed? Not worth it?

**Speaker 1:** Not worth the demo, right? I think we got it Yeah Maybe the town could do something there There's also a little stream back there Oh, yeah

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Would it be worth writing a letter to the realtor and say you know, we're interested but the price is too high Would you consider a donation?

**Speaker 15:** Right out there

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Let's see where it goes If someone buys in there

**Speaker 2:** The house where the well is on the same side as our salt shed

**Speaker 1:** They did drill a new well They drilled a new well

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** On that side with the salt shed?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, it's in the yard of the house now Oh, it's in the yard So there is a well there I'm not so sure about the structure It's tight That house, it's been sitting there like that burnt and the structure of that house

I think it's got to be a problem

**Speaker 1:** Right I don't know

**Speaker 8:** I've heard conflicts I mean, look at what happened to Pete over here

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, but I I don't know about this Leave one wall up and build around it I mean, I see him doing it right now as we speak People are doing that Leave the house there and just rebuild the house Do what? Leave the house there and rebuild the house Right now in this town I know people, they have a permit on the pole but they're doing the same thing They're building They're pretty much tearing the house completely down We've had people build a new house around the house and then tear down Sure, that fourth block I have no problem paying taxes

**Speaker 8:** You can't expand the footprint

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right Because I've never seen leave it up, build on it and pay taxes than having nothing, zero

**Speaker 14:** We don't want to take even half the demo

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No, no, no

**Speaker 8:** It's the barn There's more than just a demo There's all kinds of state inspections that's got to be done

**Speaker 12:** What's in there

**Speaker 3:** They tried to get the barn out for free

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Nobody wanted it

**Speaker 3:** Not even for barn board? No, nobody did that Somebody listed it, it was a free barn You take it down and remove it and nobody paid on it

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I know, for the barn board

**Speaker 11:** It's just nobody has the ambition like they used to

**Speaker 8:** And now with the wire What is it? Flood zones Yeah, all the flood zones and stuff like that Not just the flood zone, but the river corridor We could never get a permit there No

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You're not going to get a sewer permit there That's for sure

**Speaker 14:** The sewer's not working, you're in trouble

**Speaker 11:** I don't know if you guys see that new video

**Speaker 8:** Well I guess you can get one on the water corridor The river corridors and stuff like that So, they have specific corridors now And you ain't doing nothing then

**Speaker 16:** More than likely the sewer

**Speaker 3:** will end up across the street What's in there now, a cesspool? I don't know, I mean they have to Somebody said there was a It just goes into a tank and they pump the tank out every couple of years Well you can't do a hole in the tank

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's expensive in there I doubt it

**Speaker 8:** None of it meets Title 5 They'd have to do a mound system there Or a tank and pump

**Speaker 3:** Well, right What year was that house built?

**Speaker 1:** The framing of the house

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Doug, you remember that house there for 50 years, 100 years?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, that barn's been there for 100 years I can remember Yeah, same here The barn didn't even go in that house

**Speaker 8:** Was that Willette's house at one time? I'm not sure

**Speaker 11:** Yeah, I think it was

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** There was a steeple So that's going back 50 years or more Not our problem right now

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, any other new business?

**Speaker 4:** Nope Sir, do you want to say anything? I have a question and concern Joseph Joseph Tracy I live on Mill Road It's a hard thing because I've got along with my neighbour for 20 years Instead of her falling out Because I asked her to see She put up They're so sensitive and so bright I'm 100 yards away about across The light comes on I can see my shadow I feel like I'm in a prison And I asked her to stop it I mean already there was tension I mean we got along I wanted to point the light someplace else Do something So that it's not doing Is there a protection

**Speaker 17:** Well, yeah

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's something we have to look into the bylaws See where we can We usually don't get in Neighborhood conflicts We've had many coming through our board

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** As far as burning painted wood That is not good With the forest fire Would the forest fire wardens Check that out But is it in a container

**Speaker 4:** She's not in a container It's just you know That was the cause of suddenly No You know I said hi to her in the grocery store And she didn't answer She lives alone Yeah she lives alone Her husband died a few years ago

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** This is what happens They tell you don't call the authorities You talk to them about it They get angry It's a never ending cycle As far as the lights First thing I was going to say Have you contacted her And asked her if you could And apparently you have And she said no Or hasn't done anything We would have to look into the bylaws

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't think we have anything

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Lighting

**Speaker 8:** So there's not anything In our current bylaws In regards to that

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Because we had the one with

**Speaker 8:** Bill Motts store Well that's They have to get a permit So there's a planning Like a site plan review That needs to be done prior to Any kind of permitting And that would be part of it Signs, lighting and so on We don't have Unfortunately That type of Ordinance And That's something else That we need to discuss at some point About ordinances Your AO In some towns I've been doing some checking in Your AO has been doing Some of the Enforcement Of your ordinances They can write citations Like you did with me

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're supposed to have So called ticket books

**Speaker 8:** But there is Things that Deb could go up And try talking with her And make her understand that Shining a light Into somebody's Is a disturbance of the peace And you can take them to court And I have been on The enforcement side of that Quite a few times But That is like a state Regulation Yeah Almost like a harassment Just like if you're Doing noise at 2 o'clock in the morning You're harassing somebody That's a harassment And can be deemed as such

**Speaker 18:** So it is a criminal offense

**Speaker 4:** It seems so simple to fix To just point Put the lights in a different spot So they're doing what she needs to do To feel protected and safe And not Going in my living room

**Speaker 8:** But the fact that maybe somebody Could come in Or maybe a couple of PhD's Could take a ride up And have a conversation with her She may be somebody that needs Support or something

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Point the lights down

**Speaker 8:** Or come on down And visit Come on down off the mountain And Go over to the center They do a lot of stuff

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't know I'd have to look into it I mean there's something

**Speaker 19:** I wouldn't be able to make a decision

**Speaker 4:** Is there something I could do further

**Speaker 17:** That's what I'm wondering

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If you could call the authorities The state authorities maybe A state trooper or something See if there's some kind of state law That says you can't shine a light In someone's window I mean I guess if I was standing on the road Shining a light in her window She'd call the state troopers So I wonder where it's at

**Speaker 8:** You look up on the state laws And I will make a couple Of phone calls tomorrow And see if I can get somebody To at least go talk to her Or else I won't I just think that Maybe there's Maybe she's really not That devilish person

**Speaker 17:** Maybe she's got something

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That clicked Well I don't want the Select board to make a call Or have anybody go talk to her If you want to do it As a personal thing Well you know I don't know what the

**Speaker 15:** It's

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** If we don't have it in our laws We can't really enforce this

**Speaker 12:** Or say hey this is against us

**Speaker 8:** This has come up with Problems like this A few times It might be something to look at

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Not just lights But there's been other issues

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay You can't solve your problem tonight

**Speaker 4:** No I understand But I mean I just have a little something to go on And maybe

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We'll try something Okay

**Speaker 4:** Any other new business I do think There should be some limits On the use of lights

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're in the middle of rewriting Some of the bylaws And this may be a subject matter We can bring up while we're doing that

**Speaker 8:** We have sign bylaws And stuff like that That's got some language in there From lights You're not allowed to have lights In the traffic's eyes It can only be shined On the sign Things like that Or like a commercial business Has to come before the planning commission For site plan review That's where they would have Rules put on them But it doesn't Right now apparently

**Speaker 15:** Wasn't there one

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Which we're trying not to have

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Overbearing rules at the same time There was one on a building That every time we came into town

**Speaker 10:** It was shining in our eyes

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right at the traffic Not the select But I think somebody Mentioned it to the person

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And they turned the light One thing you could say I guess is You're looking into the law You don't want excessive lighting And maybe that'll get her to say Well I want that Let's just move it It sounds like a very common Easy thing to take care of Yeah But then again I've seen worse Where neighbors just won't do Whatever

Okay Anything else? Motion to adjourn Second Who's on all the time

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** When you turn around?

Help yourself with cookies

**Speaker 1:** Does it bother you? No Laurie I know where I'm going there anyway What's that? Who's the lighter? It's a motion light When I'm backing up

And the light's shining You can't see? Shoot it out? Yeah You don't want it on