--- title: "Stamford Select Board — November 6, 2025 (Part 1 of 2)" date: 2025-11-06 session: regular part: 1 of 2 speaker_labels: 1 cluster(s) named from the roll call and that meeting's chair in the minutes, 1 named from roster attendance, 6 of 8 clusters unnamed voice_ids: {"SPEAKER_00":1,"SPEAKER_01":92,"SPEAKER_02":6,"SPEAKER_04":9,"SPEAKER_05":3,"SPEAKER_06":5,"SPEAKER_07":7,"SPEAKER_08":2} duration_min: 73 audio: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Xk_AqMcmOyU1fD8auvVfs0ExfFkrja6R/view?usp=sharing audio_source: town drive minutes: https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%2011-6-25.pdf minutes_pending: false present: [Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, John Dunn] absent: [Kurt Gamari, Douglas Wright] transcribed: 2026-09-04 (faster-whisper large-v3, CUDA; names corrected per data/name_fixes.json) diarization: pyannote/speaker-diarization-3.1 (automated; cluster labels may over-split a single voice; unattributed paragraphs have no reliable speaker) --- # Stamford Select Board — November 6, 2025 (Part 1 of 2) **Session:** Regular · **Duration:** 73 min · [Audio](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Xk_AqMcmOyU1fD8auvVfs0ExfFkrja6R/view?usp=sharing) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%2011-6-25.pdf) **Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, John Dunn **Absent:** Kurt Gamari, Douglas Wright --- I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Welcome to a meeting with the Stamford Select Board. If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address. You will notice that all our meetings are recorded, and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes. Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and 15 minutes per topic. Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others. Select Board members present are... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Michael G. Denault. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Nancy Bushika. John Dunn. Lori, have you heard from Kurt, if he's coming? No, I haven't. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No, because Doug said he couldn't be here. Will there be any adding of items or removing items from tonight's meeting? Tonight's agenda. I do have some correspondence that's come in since the agenda was made. Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, such as changing the order of items? I don't think so. And Jeb is recording tonight's meeting for his YouTube video. Hearing of visitors. Regular minutes of October 16, 2025. **Speaker 1:** Motion to approve. Second. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All in favor? All in favor? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes. Highway update. Highway update. **Speaker 2:** Normal fall. Getting all the equipment ready. All trucks are back? Yeah, all the trucks are... It snowed today at my house. Yeah, it snowed a little bit. **Speaker 3:** So something like sleep last afternoon. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** How are the new fellow working out? And you're using him elsewhere? **Speaker 2:** Yeah, I mean, he's been doing a lot of... Getting equipment ready and... Yeah. Trucks needed a lot of repair. We had to send to the freight liner to do some of it because some of it we just can't do. We had to do a lot of other stuff and then there was other stuff they noticed while I was there, so I had them do it and brought it back and we've done a bunch more work because we decided we needed to do the rest of it ourselves. Yeah, after the five-year mark on these trucks, they just started to cost. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So are we going to put in for a new truck this year? **Speaker 2:** I mean, I can, but this is also a chip seal year, which I'm currently working with an all-state guy to come project. We've got a new hire, so the budget's going to, you know... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The thing with the trucks, Dave, is if we're putting in $18,000, $20,000, you buy a truck, and I don't know what the payments are per month, $1,500 a month, whatever we have, $2,000 a month, I'm not sure what you're paying. But, you know, $100,000 machine down the shop, I pay $2,000 a month, so that's, what, $25,000 a year. Five years, you look at it and say, we can go out. Oh, I have another $100,000 truck, but we're ahead of you. **Speaker 2:** Yeah. I mean, it depends on what truck we get. The one that we've been having issues with is probably more like a $200,000 truck. Now, I think the only person that's been is $130,000. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Which truck are you having the most trouble with? **Speaker 2:** The 2019 Freightliner at this point. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And it's paid off. It was paid off in 24. **Speaker 2:** Yeah. I mean, it does get used a lot. We use that truck a lot, so... **Speaker 3:** But if you lose the rotation... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. **Speaker 3:** I think you should start... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You get to that, where it's starting to cost you $40,000 a year, and the prices just went up again next year and next year. So, it won't hurt to look at it. **Speaker 2:** Part of the issue is, like, reliability. I mean, in downtime, it's been gone for, you know, over a month. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Are we putting, like we did with the fire truck, are we putting away money for new equipment? Yeah, we are putting it aside. We should look at that, maybe. **Speaker 3:** If you don't actually go to buy... Right, at least... You certainly ought to put up the amount you're putting aside for it, because you know it's coming. **Speaker 2:** Right, right. I mean, I don't... I hadn't really intended on replacing that truck for a few more years. Five thousand, maybe. I thought about replacing the Ram. That's okay. Only because it's probably worth something at this point, where... That's another thing. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You know, where the other one is, we're just going to take a beating. You know, when we went with the front loader, we couldn't get a dime for it. You know, we were lucky to get rid of that. **Speaker 2:** The other thing is, you're not just going to go trade it in and walk away with the other one. I mean, it's at least a year. Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We probably should really start looking at it. **Speaker 2:** Maybe two. That's six years old now, almost seven years old. On a bigger truck, you're probably looking at two years almost. Yeah. By the time you get it. By the time we go through the process. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So, it won't hurt to start looking at numbers. It never hurts to say, hey, here's the numbers. We can only say, no, we can't build this year. Like Bill's saying, no. We go to the town and we say, we'll do something, put away something. It doesn't hit taxpayers hard that way. When you go from, you know, 5% a year to 15%, then they want to hang us. **Speaker 2:** The Rams. We're not the school. Five years ago when we bought that truck, it was around $105,000. $105,000? Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It paid off next year. **Speaker 2:** So, I mean, it's probably 130-ish. Yeah, I was going to say, that was six years ago. Yeah, but I have to say, I mean. Yeah. **Speaker 3:** Well, it almost looks like level funding after the first year. Or actually, by the time you actually get it, you wouldn't have any truck payments going out on either of those two. Right. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. **Speaker 2:** I mean, it wouldn't be a bad idea. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The only thing we're paying is, well, the Dodge is paid off. The Freightliner's paid off. So, at one time, we had about four loans. Now, we've got a couple paid off. The paving loan will be paid next year. **Speaker 2:** Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, so the paving chip, we could really probably get another vehicle. Think about looking that up. **Speaker 2:** It's not going to affect it. Well, we should. Well, we can. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's kind of a homeowner's work. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Keep that one going. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, we won't bother with the trucks. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Get the truck, whatever you think you need for, if you want to replace. **Speaker 4:** Well, that's my point. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Dave, I just, I've got an old sheet. Like, I've already done. **Speaker 2:** You know, that's just what I do in business. The downtime. **Speaker 3:** When that's down, you're leaning on something that might not be the right thing to do the job. Yeah. But you've got to use it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So, if we order it, it takes two years. In two years, the truck's definitely going to be. **Speaker 2:** I would say, I mean, I feel like we could get another Ram, that size truck. I think they're a little cheaper, they're more cracked, though. I was hoping we'd get the longevity with a bigger truck, that medium-duty size truck. But it just seems like, when the repairs hit, they're just so costly, that maybe a couple of them are right. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, it looks like we have, it looks like we still have $17,000 in the Equipment Replacement Fund. Does that sound right, Laurie? We didn't, and we put $5,000 in for this year, which is not much, but I think we should start looking at it. **Speaker 3:** It ought to be something more like $25,000 at least this year, if you're not outright buying something new. Yeah. And if you know, if you're buying something new, you've got to start building to it. So, it'll be $25,000 or $50,000 this year, to put you so far ahead, because you're not paying anything for a year and a half before they deliver it. **Speaker 5:** I agree, I'd rather get yelled at, than not have a truck and have a real thing yelled at. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, I know you hate to spend money, Dave, but. **Speaker 2:** Unfortunately, I think it's, it just comes down to the cost per mile. I think it's the same, whether you're, you've got a new one and you're running it, or you've got an old one and you're running it, it's just the downtime. Sure. It's different. A new one should be able to be workable more often than an older one. Absolutely. Uh-huh. Because we're beyond, years ago, things lasted, you know. Correct. Repairs were a long year, now it's. Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I just knew, a lady told me that she just had to replace her washing machine. I said, how old is it, 20? 42 years old. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, geez. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How do you know if you get four? Yeah. Yeah. She said, I hate to buy a new one. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I said, yeah, well, if you're new, it's not going to last 42 years. **Speaker 2:** Yeah. Sure. Um, I put in for the Better Bad Growns grant, uh, for the Sportsman's Suzanne Drive intersection. The guy that heads up that grant program contacted Lori, and I called him this week, because apparently they're not going to have much funding for the category D, which is the category that I put in for. Because I was trying to follow. I was trying to follow what their recommendation was as far as the concrete headwalls and wingwalls. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And that was the hydraulic guy recommended that? **Speaker 2:** Right. The hydraulic study recommendation had concrete headwalls and wingwalls, which brings the price up. The category D was a 60, up to a $60,000 grant. I think with the concrete, it came in around 50-ish. **Speaker 6:** Upper 50? **Speaker 2:** Yeah. So. He contacted me, and he felt like they weren't going to have enough funding. And if they did, he had 30 other applications that he felt were probably ahead of ours as far as what he would pick. So he wanted me to rewrite it so that it didn't have the concrete, so we would just have stone headwalls and wingwalls. It's what we typically have anyway. So Lori and I put that together. And it came in around $20,000-ish, Lori? $20,000, which will be fine. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** $20,000 and $24,000. **Speaker 2:** Yeah. So that will qualify for the category B for the Better Backroads this year, which is what he suggested we do. But he wanted to have it in. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It seems to me the CRC did it. This was a recommendation. And then the grant fellow that holds the money says, No, no, no, you're not going to get that. So we have to go a cheaper way. How long is the new one? Well, I don't have to say cheaper way. The $20,000 one's going to last. Like you said, you've done them before with stone wingwalls. **Speaker 2:** Yeah, I don't think the, I mean, really the concrete is nice, unnecessary. It's over-engineered. The steel culvert's going to last the same amount of time when you're in the concrete. It's over-engineered, so. That seems to be the case in a lot of them. You know the reason why I want that room is because that's what they suggested in this year's grant. It's a state grant, so. **Speaker 3:** But if he's the guy that's giving out the money. **Speaker 2:** But this guy's the guy that's doing all the work. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, yeah. If the cheaper grant gives us a better system than what's up there now, take it. Yeah. Right? Yeah, I agree. So right now we have a system up there that's not working well. Take it. And do it. When can you do this? When can you do this project? **Speaker 2:** In reality, we're going to sign it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So the board agrees? Sign it? Send it in? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I agree. You agree? Yes. Let's do it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Take your money. Do you want to favor me? I'm just mad about it, and I shouldn't be. I know. You can vote your personal feelings. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yes. Or you can vote what's right. Oh, jeez. It's just the point that you can put so much time into doing something. They should just let you know right off the bat. Yeah. **Speaker 2:** I totally understand that. Yes. So you can vote what's right. Oh, jeez. It's just the point that you can put so much time into doing something. They should just let you know right off the bat. Yeah. I totally understand that. Yes. It's politics. That's what it is. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Politics gets in the way. The one that's holding the purse string is driving things just like... In the way of a lot of things, like... ...of everything. Yeah. **Speaker 1:** Yeah. A piece of pie is better than no pie. Yeah. Exactly. **Speaker 7:** Cheaper. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They just said, you're not getting another one, so why are we even worried about it now, guys? We're not getting it. You want something or nothing? **Speaker 3:** Right. Do we have, um, boards to sign? Oh, we're not going to get paid tonight? Oh, nice. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Meeting is adjourned. Yep. **Speaker 3:** No, just the point that you can vote your personal feelings. Oh, jeez. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'm sorry. How many people are here? I'll tell you. Yeah. Um, recycling. **Speaker 2:** Oh, anything else on the road? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Sorry, Dave. You're done. **Speaker 2:** Thanks. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Recycling. Oh, it's coming. He was very happy... Oh. Be right on it. So, how... Did he do anything? No. You're right on. Today they switched it out. **Speaker 2:** It's with the same crumb. Should I keep bugging him every time? You can... Hey, it's your time. Squeaky wheel. I mean, I don't mind. Sure. I can still do housework and stuff. Sure. **Speaker 2:** to use that i'd probably call if it's going to bring those stupid dumpsters you ought to bring **Speaker 8:** a set of stairs that might it's like a trend nowadays oh there's a whole lot here the science **Speaker 2:** service service centers they're just well they're in for now it used to take me three minutes to call and get one on mount peter now it's the 40 45. the service that that is just yeah what about **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** the transfer station monitor that we it's under discussion about recycling that kind of you want **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** to move it up yep kind of the same he's got to sign all several spots here yeah but you don't have to leave for me to finish signing yeah go ahead laurie um backup transfer station monitor we have one applicant i have i received one order of interest uh steve senecal he used to work here at the recycling center can start on there i guess i will **Speaker 9:** This is just a backup guy, we still have the two guys, right? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're not pushing on anyone. **Speaker 10:** No, no, Buzz is still there. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So it's just a backup, correct? Yeah. The only guy that applies? **Speaker 11:** Yeah, okay, yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Roy did fill in for Harold one time because he did have enough notice. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So this guy, he can fill in? He wants to do it? He's already worked for the town? Yep. Are there any problems with the guy at all? **Speaker 1:** He is requesting $20 an hour. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What do we pay now? **Speaker 1:** $16, $18. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You can't pay him more than that. We have to pay him the same? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. Whatever we're paying now is what we're paying. If he doesn't want to take it, that's okay. Right. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. Whatever we're paying Carol, I don't know. And Buzz, we're not going to pay him. We'll give Carol a raise. I can't find it here yet. That usually happens. That usually happens. I got it, Lori. You hire a guy and you pay him. Everybody else gets a raise. **Speaker 12:** It's $20. **Speaker 10:** You've been there. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yep. That's what Buzz is making. Dave, should he hire Lori? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You need him. **Speaker 2:** Yeah. He needs to come in and fill out paperwork for Lori. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And then Carol will probably end up calling him when she needs him. Assessor-clerk position. We must have, like, 10 of them. **Speaker 13:** Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. Two! But I. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's two more than I thought we had. I should leave. You should leave while you put your name on there. I will. Well, we can't vote on you tonight. We don't have enough people. I know. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You can vote. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You can vote. The two can't do it. **Speaker 12:** We need the four, or three or five. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You could vote. You don't have to. You don't have to recuse yourself. **Speaker 14:** If it was the case you just voted for, you could have voted for about three or five. **Speaker 3:** You don't have to recuse yourself. No. Do you think that you... Oh. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** town election did you vote for yourself as a selectman? Yeah. Right. You don't have to if you think you're not going to be biased since there's only two and we're going to hire two. No, we're hiring one. Oh, one. Okay. This is for Sally's position. Oh, okay. Okay. I thought it was Lister's. Lister? No. No, no. So we have two applicants. Do you want to discuss the Julian Sullivan, Jeremy Sullivan's daughter? Do we want to go into executive session so you can discuss them and look them over? No, I think we should table this until we have more agreed. Okay. So Sally is done tomorrow. Okay. Do you want to keep her on for a few more weeks? She doesn't mind. We got no one to do it. Would you ask Sally if she'd stay on for a couple more weeks then? Yep. Just till we... Till the next election we're meeting? Till we figure out... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'd rather have... Because there's only one... I thought there was two, I'm sorry. No, no. Yeah. Then definitely you have. Oh. No, you are a teenager. **Speaker 15:** Long time. I haven't seen you in a long time. Three weeks. Review, third quarter. Did you sign everything in there? I believe so. There's a whole bunch of papers at the end. Let me double check. All those single pages? All those single pages. I don't remember single pages. I've seen one. Were they all clipboarded together? No. Maybe that's why. No, they just keep going. Okay, start there and keep going. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** There's a bunch of them just like that. Got that one. Yep. Got that one. Got that one. Oh, you are good. Is that it? Oh, you are good. He just couldn't remember anything. He's quick. He's quick. Okay. Thank you, Jim. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It was only three weeks. Sally, what? All right. Review, third quarter, financials. Lori has given us the financials. Okay. Here it is, November, and we have to start thinking about budget time and everything. Jump out. Straight down to Nancy. **Speaker 6:** Well, I stood down with Nancy. We went through some of the things. There were a couple of things that we have to update, and there wasn't anything really crazy. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I didn't see anything crazy. We're still waiting for FEMA flood reimbursement, $4,000 from whenever, but there's been a lot of floods since then, and we don't know particularly where the FEMA people are. If you don't agree, you can hear us later tonight. If anybody wants to stop in in the day and go through the feeling along the crack of night. If somebody else wants to talk about the EMRs, you don't have to. **Speaker 6:** Good idea. We're not EncryKnife Reverage North Lincoln. Good idea, Laonday, Morea or Howard, in between. OK. **Speaker 2:** The sand line item is quite a bit older, but if you recall last winter there was a salt shortage, so we had to start mixing quite a bit of sand. And then I'm competing to get sand at that point, so I try to stockpile a little bit because we just want to not have any material. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Are we going through the same system as last year where we have Allen trucking it and everything? **Speaker 2:** Yeah, he said he's going to keep his price the same, so I think that'll do his work. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We got the MERC grant for the garage. We got paid for it already. That was the quickest grant ever. **Speaker 2:** Right, and just to add, we're going to have some money left over, so we're going to have a new electrical panel put in, and that's going to allow us to have our generator, so we can just plug the generator in and run the generator. We only have no power. Good. And that's going to be 100% funded by that MERC grant. Cool. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Because if you don't have power, you can't open the garage doors, right? **Speaker 2:** Well, when we installed these new garage doors, they have battery backup, so you can get a few opens. Okay. So now we'll have heat in there and be able to do lights and everything. Okay. **Speaker 7:** We're moving up in the road up there. Yeah, we're getting there. About time for the river to take it, huh? Yeah, so we can loop these over. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I didn't see anything really bad, but... **Speaker 2:** Haven't we been reimbursed yet for the 25? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Clean water? **Speaker 2:** Clean water grant, yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I didn't see it come in here. No. We paid out. **Speaker 2:** We paid out for both of them, but now the 25 was submitted, and we just finished up getting the bills for the 26, so... **Speaker 6:** Right. I haven't submitted the 26 yet, but I think that we can. I think we're at that point, right? Yeah. We're just waiting on that one last bill. But no, the 25 hasn't come in yet. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So this line item for the school, is that borrowed money? That's tax money that we collect that we have to turn over to school. To school. I got you. So, just shy of a million dollars. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And that is because of their new plan or reorganization. They want 50% of their money in July. In July, right. And we have no money then. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So we had, in July we borrowed money, right? And then we have to, now we have the tax money. Yeah, yeah. I just want to explain, I know where it's going, but I just want to explain how it's working this year. What's the interest on the million? **Speaker 2:** Well, we had... For what grade? Four. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Four or five percent. Four or five percent. Which is double what it used to be. They're costing an amount of money doing that. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Of course it is. Yeah. Of course it is. If they had worked with towns and said, you get a little bit here, this town pays in, or... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They don't care. Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They want their money. They should. Of course. The school also... If you call your governor, he'll agree with you. And then he'll get, his veto will get vetoed up. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, I'm wondering if it was just this school that had to borrow money, or every school. **Speaker 3:** He screwed up everything in the superintendency. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, I didn't know if it was every school in this district that had to borrow because of a mess up. **Speaker 11:** Just wait until the district... **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We did get the clean water grant, 10,000. Yeah. It's going to be four. 2024? I don't think you can say it. **Speaker 11:** I have an opinion, so I won't say anything yet. Yeah. I think mine are the same. Yeah. Yeah. It's on the school. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Lori's going to check. **Speaker 16:** I apologize. **Speaker 2:** Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. **Speaker 17:** That's the... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** When you're a lawyer with all that money we're given from bureaucrats, like you said, it's just... You can't... You get a... **Speaker 17:** It's... **Speaker 11:** It's going to be brutal. It's brutal already. That's going to be a pretty good kind of change. 24? It's a six-month... Yeah, it's... It's a six-month... It's not... It's not... It's the last I heard they were trying to do that. Oh, I thought they did it. No. And Bennington was working. Bennington was working. Bennington was working. Bennington was working. Bennington was working. Bennington was working. **Speaker 11:** Bennington was working. **Speaker 2:** Yeah. Right. After all the different things that it are going through. Yeah. Just people are doing that also. **Speaker 11:** . . I don't know what's... What's that start with the years? ... **Speaker 3:** Woodford is private, I think. Yeah. . I'm just guessing. North Bennington is a separate school. That's . **Speaker 11:** Yeah. I suggest. You know, I don't... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I know the school board does their best at not picking out the money from the Physicians. It's not that important. . It's the system. It goes... It's so screwed up. . It doesn't go. It doesn't... I understand that this is important what we're doing and spending money on trucks and things, but if you could sit down with a taxpayer to explain to them what's going on and show them where your taxes are going, it's unbelievable. And it's not just Stamford, Vermont, it's all over the country. No cars for us going through it right now. McCann's begging for money, McCann makes money. And they're begging for money from towns, you know, for a roof and some windows. North Adams is building new school. Everybody, they're just dumping money, dumping money. Which, again, if you go back to the school board meeting years ago, I asked them, how are our rankings and our grades? And it's bad. Worse. Real bad. So if you go all the way back to 1960s and you look, they just kept throwing money into these school systems and now we're way up here and the rankings went way down here. So money's not the answer. I don't know what the answer is, but it's not money. I mean, we're done. It's serious money. Look, the educational expense in the country **Speaker 4:** is higher than the national defense now. **Speaker 2:** Well, I'm just saying the interest on that money that we have to borrow and pay for our new truck. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. Yeah. Now, I don't know if we catch up. Once the first year's gone, is it better or just every year we've got to borrow money? You say you're never going to have enough. You can't pay a headache. **Speaker 3:** The only way you do would be changing your tax ability. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. You'd have to go into the child care. You'd have to go in early July, or earlier than July, right? **Speaker 9:** You almost got a double pass in the first year. **Speaker 3:** You'd have to split it. Right? I don't know if you'd have to double tax, but you'd have to split it in half so that you got half of it coming in early, as we did 25 years ago. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But if you did that, I just got done paying it in November, and now you tell me I got to pay in April, the first year is going to be the one that hurts. **Speaker 10:** First year. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. Yeah. Because now you're saying, jeez, I thought I had it until November. Now you're talking about . **Speaker 3:** The people who got in trouble with that kind of thing are those who are paying their taxes out of an escrow account with their mortgage. Sure. And they've got to come up with that out of their pocket. Oh, right, right, right. It's not that monthly. Yeah. And worse than that, the bank looks at it, and they had to pay out this. The bill goes to the bank. We said the bill to the bank. And the bank says, uh-huh, we paid this much around. We're going to increase your monthly mortgage payment. And cover it over, yeah. And it stays, and you're stuck with it. **Speaker 9:** When you're living paycheck to paycheck. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's tough. **Speaker 18:** OK, correspondence, Lori? **Speaker 6:** So I did receive the VLCT insurance renewal package for 2026. So you have this little spreadsheet. I emailed it to Paul Ethier for Claire Drummond, and I didn't hear back from him yet. I don't know if you want to take a look at it. **Speaker 3:** He must still be open, because he didn't bring it up. Well, he'll bring it up this coming Monday. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So the building value, the contents of the town office here, guaranteed replacement costs $36,004. Do we need to increase that? Do we have $36,000 worth of stuff here? **Speaker 3:** I mean, it's things that are not attached. My thought is this is scam number two. Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Keep it. Keep the content value the same. The salt shed, no content value, so. **Speaker 3:** Salt doesn't burn. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Property value. Yeah, but it gets ruined. Property value, $131,000. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If you burn that salt shed down, the fire department goes up there and dumps water on it. **Speaker 3:** No water. We'll just mix the embers in with the salt. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, OK. Just let it go? All right. Just don't put no water on it, or it'll go down into the brook. **Speaker 2:** Let's just hope none of that happens. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, exactly. That's what it is. I'm guessing this thing will go up and down. **Speaker 2:** I don't know how much it's going to cost, I guess, though. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, that's what we don't have here. **Speaker 2:** We don't have that. I don't know if there's no heat, anything like that in that salt shed. I really don't know what you're sharing. You don't know what you're talking about? Just a tin building? Small weight or something. Just a tin building, isn't it? You don't know how that goes. As soon as you make a flame on it, you're paying the back pack. **Speaker 3:** When the airplane falls on the shed. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Charge the airplane. **Speaker 5:** Charge the airplane. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But my thing is, there's no numbers here to show what we're paying. So if you say, all right, Nancy just said $36,000, do we need to increase that? If we did increase it, say we went to $50,000, what is that expense? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They don't have it. **Speaker 12:** They're not giving it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's all together with everything. Right. **Speaker 3:** So they don't give it up numbers. If you tell them that you want to change it early, they will tell you how much it costs. You've got to sit down with them. They will tell you how much it costs. And then you can look backwards. You went from $30,000 to $50,000, and it's going to cost you another $300 a year. You can figure out what they charge you. **Speaker 19:** They still may not give it to you in the end. **Speaker 6:** Well, they're not giving us the number, the renewal numbers. Right. Yeah. **Speaker 2:** They still may not give you the money. They're going to give it to us in the end. If something happens, they may look at it and go, it wasn't worth that. Yeah. Then the compactor, $8,000. So I have a question. Like, I don't know. I don't know. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I know. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. **Speaker 3:** Yeah. I don't know. So, you guys had a fire department. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It says contents. That's not the trucks? **Speaker 8:** That's not the trucks? **Speaker 3:** It's not the trucks, and it's nothing on the trucks. How does the trucks be insured for the... **Speaker 1:** The trucks are not paid for the... **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh, no, it's separately insured. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. **Speaker 1:** So compactor, $85. Who knows? Thomas? What about all the stuff that's in the trucks? **Speaker 3:** What covers all that? It's called inland marine coverage. It's part of... It's considered part of the truck. **Speaker 1:** But it does have coverage on it. In case... **Speaker 3:** Whether it's hoses or fittings or whatever, if it's lost in an accident, it's covered. **Speaker 20:** Well, I would say the fire department costs more than the highway department does for **Speaker 1:** condoms, by far. Yeah, what did he say it was like 20 grand? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** For the turnout suit and the breathing? Oh, cost. **Speaker 3:** Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Breathing, turnout gear. **Speaker 3:** Turnout gear probably is, you know, is part of the content. It costs ballpark, from scratch, $5,000 in turnout gear for a new man, without including an air pack, which is another $2,000, if you were adding into the number of people we have. That's not our problem, recently. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, so the town garage, Property Valley, $5,000. That's a lot for, that's what I'm saying, I'm looking at that. **Speaker 2:** Yeah, but that's the cost, like, if something were to happen, you need to replace it, so **Speaker 1:** that's the cost to replace it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Guaranteed replacement cost. **Speaker 1:** So, what is it, a three or four bay garage? Yeah. I think it's going to be way more than that. **Speaker 3:** What do they have for contents? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** $73,000. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** With the concrete? Yeah, concrete. That's a bunch of money. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Without the vehicles in there. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'll let you know. **Speaker 3:** David can judge, but $35,000 might be more than... For contents? Yeah. That would be more than that. You've got another one? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Why did we change that? Did we change it a couple years ago? I didn't bring my paper with me. **Speaker 3:** They may have automatically changed it, or they may have taken it as a percentage of **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They did. They did something. They did something there, yes. I was just reading it. They upped the... **Speaker 3:** We want more of your money, so here. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. We increased it because... **Speaker 1:** Yeah, so I'll get a percentage of whatever they probably write it for, right? So they want... So they want it to be as high as possible, like, within... **Speaker 3:** Oh, yeah. That's their job. There's an assumption that your building is like everybody else's building, even if we know that we don't have that kind of content in the town garage. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And the dog kennel, property value of $5,000. Guaranteed replacement. Is it a seven? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** There's one that you have. **Speaker 3:** No, it's guaranteed for whatever it currently costs to replace it, regardless of... If you bought it for $2,000, and it now costs $5,000... That's what they're going to... You're paying a premium... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No, I understand, but what we're saying, the property value is at $5,000. That's what we're telling the insurance company. If it comes in at $10,000, they're not going to give us $10,000 to replace it. **Speaker 3:** They're going to give you an equivalent building, period. To $5,000? No. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think... I don't know. It says something in there that it's... **Speaker 1:** I think so. Take some off the town garage, man. I just had this conversation with the insurance company. I had a couple of outposts. It's going to happen to the dollar cage, so the dollar's going to chew funds or something. **Speaker 3:** If you look in some of the detail, you'll see that they have two or three different categories of coverage. And if it says exact replacement, it means they're going to replace it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Guaranteed replacement cost. So why would you put a number there, guys? It's probably low. If this guy heated it, it's got a five degrees low on it. **Speaker 6:** In regard to the building value shown on the property schedule, where the cost to repair... Replace the structure is no more than $4,500. $4,500? So... Read that. The replacement cost, without regard to the building value limit shown on the property schedule, where the cost to repair or replace the structure is no more than $4,500. But when it's more, where the cost to repair or replace the structure exceeds... Oh, not $4,500. $4,500, though. I thought... $4,500. I thought that's what we read first. It was $4,500 in all. Mm-hmm. $4,500,000. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They're going to replace it. Regardless of the building that we have. **Speaker 12:** So it doesn't matter what we're putting in for numbers. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They're going to replace it at this year. **Speaker 12:** Something told in... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** There just needs to be something in the box. **Speaker 10:** Guaranteed replacement cost. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Guaranteed, guaranteed, guaranteed. They're charging us for $4.5 million. It used to be ridiculous. That's covering everything. And if we said that if we add all this up, it comes out to be $2.5 million... Is that going to be the end of the deal? No. Yeah. That's what you got to look at and say, these numbers, are they real? If they're not, it doesn't matter as long as we don't go over that $4.5 million. **Speaker 3:** If we lost our 2019 Freightliner at the firehouse and they had to replace it... Three cars in that. Yeah. That's what it cost. Right. But they average it out of all the other towns in the state. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Now, the other sheet attached... to it was the insurance renewal schedule for the equipment. Yep. So you sent that to Paul, too, and cash value. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It just seems like if we're way under... If we're looking at the numbers, Sam, we're pretty close to one. I don't know if we are. I would look into... Do you want to make sense out of the insurance company? What does he have to do with cash? Well, I go through a lot of insurance companies down the shot. I can show you something that'll beat this town on insurance. Okay. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** On the Freightliner, it'd be actual cost minus replacement. Right? Is that what you said? Less depreciation. **Speaker 2:** Less depreciation. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So I... What happens with your normal car insurance? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, the cost new for the Freightliner was $140. Except homes that are a little bit... All right. Can you change that and go back to them? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The actual cost of the 2019 Freightliner was $140. **Speaker 12:** They've got it down $90. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't think it's going to make a whole lot of difference, but... I'm going to go back to them. I'm going to go back to them. I'm going to go back to them. I'm going to go back to them. I'm going to go back to them. I'm going to go back to them. I'm going to go back to them. I'm going to go back to them. And they've got it down $90. I don't think it's going to make a whole lot of difference, but... **Speaker 6:** I wonder, like one with just the cab and chassis before the... I don't know. Rest of the stuff. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So, up that to $140. Well, ask them, Lou. We paid $140 for the... What's in the schedule here? ...for the Freightliner? $90. Okay. No, that's ours, not your... No, no. **Speaker 21:** I realize it. **Speaker 2:** Okay. But they're going to depreciate it anyway. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They will. Yeah. But I don't want them to depreciate it from $90. Because? should be depreciated from 140. **Speaker 2:** Well, it's not. It's probably depreciating your payments to the insurance. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think they're maybe looking at what we borrow and not the equipment fund. Because we had 58,000 saved, and that's kind of the difference. But 58,000 and 140, maybe that's why they got the 90. Just mention it to them that when we bought this deal, it was 140. It may not do anything. **Speaker 6:** It's all an online portal. I could probably just go in and fix the number. **Speaker 3:** Just put the value in. **Speaker 1:** We're good with everything else? Is there one insurance company you could use where maybe you could get a better price? **Speaker 3:** Over the years, John, it hasn't paid because beyond the fact that they're competitive and they're spreading the risk through the whole state with every town that belongs to it, we usually wind up with a dividend from them. It looks back three years, depending on what the company does. Depending on what their experience is statewide. But we usually get 15,000, 20,000-odd dividend money. I don't know what it was lately. **Speaker 2:** What's the whole bill look like? It's really pretty cheap. That's what I mean. **Speaker 22:** I mean, we used to pay flat rate. **Speaker 1:** I'm looking at it, and I just see that crazy number somewhere. I'm assuming it's an insurance bill. **Speaker 23:** You think so, but it's not just... **Speaker 2:** I can't really see it. **Speaker 3:** It was ridiculous. Fifteen years ago, we used to pay them a flat rate of $600 a year per truck. For replacement costs. No matter what kind of truck, whether it was one year old or ten years old. $600 a year. And I don't know how it's adjusted and changed since then. But it's that kind of logic that they put together. That's why it doesn't pay. You can't go out. Eight or nine years ago, we once asked for a competitive bid. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's what I was looking for. $14,000 a year. That's everything. We went into one, and we never split it out because it was too crazy to split out. **Speaker 3:** In fact, buried in that liability is your errors and omissions. Pop coverage. Bonding, too. Anything else, Lori? **Speaker 6:** We had a contractor come in and take a look at the heater, cooler. It's not working right at all. It hasn't worked in a while. It was working spotty, and then it just stopped. **Speaker 1:** I was wondering. I tried messing with it last meeting, and I was like, oh, I don't know. I'll figure it out. **Speaker 6:** It must not have been working. Yeah, and it's starting to get colder out, so we need to deal with it. I was given a price of $6,500 to put in a new air conditioner slash heat pump. It'll have a wall sleeve, a wireless wall, thermostat, $6,500, with disposal by owner and electrical wiring not included if needed. **Speaker 1:** Same kind of thing? One of those units that sits outside. I don't know. I think the mini splits you can probably read out. I don't know what that is. **Speaker 3:** Well, if they're talking about a heat pump, it sounds like. **Speaker 7:** If it's a heat pump, it's got a compressor on it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So if it doesn't, if it's not like this, and I'm sure it won't be in the same spot, we need a carpenter or somebody to come to seal the hole. Just pile of snow there. **Speaker 11:** Right. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If it's a carpenter, there's no way it does it off. No, no. Well, the heater, the people that Dave's son works for, that plumbing guy. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Works for that plumbing guy. Oh, that guy. **Speaker 24:** That guy. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They do it all. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I know him. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You don't know the kind of guys like that? I heard they run the whole town. I know those old guys. You've known them for a long time. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, for a long time, I know them. You know that guy. 48 years laying pipe, right? Something like that. Laying pipe, 48 years. Oh, 1948 is laying pipe or 1948. Laying pipe. Yeah. Yeah. God, I don't even know their logo. I don't even know their logo. Yeah. Um, that's a... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't even... I don't even... Jack. You're the expert. Uh, I think it's... Mini-split. P-T-A-C-A-C... You have... Close. **Speaker 25:** Close. **Speaker 7:** Those are mini-splits. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Most of those mini-splits will carry two heads. **Speaker 7:** Yeah. **Speaker 3:** I didn't like you put a second one in the office. Yeah. One mini-split with two heads. I'll get a quote on that because it's probably not going to be much. Because I... **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. **Speaker 3:** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. **Speaker 7:** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. **Speaker 25:** Yeah. **Speaker 26:** Yeah. **Speaker 6:** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Yeah. Well, why don't you ask them who had the, uh, kind of job for us? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, we had talked to him about that. But, you know, you got all the windows, all the wall would have to be changed. It would be not just buying... Oh, to put the head in, yeah. Not just buying the mini-split thing, but redoing the wall. I'd like to wait for the school to come and replace those windows. That would be the thing that I'd like to do. Well, why don't we... I mean, it's November now. footage is on that that it covers but with these ceilings with a fan turned on **Speaker 4:** this isn't really that big of a room for that one I think it's really well sized it yeah yeah I mean it's probably oversized yeah **Speaker 7:** those things are really they've come a long way I mean if you want to go out and get quilts you can **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** it doesn't matter to me I think for $6,500 and it's November I'd put it in and we don't have to go out for quilts anyway yeah I mean **Speaker 3:** question if you can get an electrician and a carpenter to come and do it right well they do it **Speaker 27:** all no they don't do the other way around oh no which is see this doesn't this one just plug in period this one just **Speaker 1:** plugs in so well this guy very casually says it's a heat pump it looks like a mini split it looks like a similar unit like this yeah if you like it says a mona and it gives you a number I mean that's what it looks that's a picture of it it looks very similar **Speaker 2:** similar and it gives you a price for what you got in the box outside I don't know is there a box outside I mean there is in the wall yeah there's something outside I don't make them smaller and smaller I don't think it really sticks out I don't have a compressor yeah but it might be built into the unit on the outside yeah I just was wondering if that's where the footage would have covered 15,000 BTUs I don't know what **Speaker 1:** 15,000 BTUs I don't know what 15,000 BTUs I don't know what it's like a square footer but yeah it's not a mini split **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** replace the current unit pump will replace the current unit yeah they're two thousand dollars he's got a gums that's what the unit is two thousand well that for that one I don't know what he's getting for BTU I'm not sure what the yeah I don't know if that's exactly the same size no **Speaker 28:** 575 square feet it's 575 with a say a nine-foot ceiling yeah yeah this 575 square feet **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** ceiling yeah yeah this 575 square feet **Speaker 1:** ceiling yeah yeah this 575 square feet that went up thank you that when I looked up this one's is a real covering right for 50 to 575 with the can't read on your **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** square foot here in the office yeah so what if you're gonna replace it let's be **Speaker 1:** serious about it do you want to keep it the same or do you want to maybe do you guys suggested to do this flip and have two heads would that be a better option and then what would that cost versus this row right I get the right prices, do you want to get the price of a division or two heads? Do you want to get the price of a division or two heads? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, you could do that. You just got to wonder when you can do it. That's the big thing. You know, if he says, yeah, getting those mini splits is a better deal and putting two heads in, it'll do a better job. Well, I can't do it for next year. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Will you be able to regulate each head separately? **Speaker 3:** Yep. So it can have a separate room or a condition. **Speaker 7:** I think for the same price, I mean, I've been pricing these and everything else and for 5,500 square feet plus per room in there, that's another 100 square feet or maybe 150. I would seriously get a quote on them. I mean, because I might not be able to call. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Let's call and say, hey. **Speaker 6:** Can we at least get this one done since it's stolen here from the Lister's area and still work on that one separate? Or are you saying do it all together? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, then we wouldn't have that system that Jim's talking about. **Speaker 7:** You might be able to do it all at the same time. I don't think there'd be a big. Putting the heads on is screwing up. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But that's not what he's, he's not cool. I mean, he's cool in that unit right there. Right. Okay. Which is probably obsolete nowadays. I've got heat up there. **Speaker 1:** School's got heat. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** This is how it's comfortable. **Speaker 1:** This is really not. Right. This has got heat. It's not cold. **Speaker 23:** It doesn't have air conditioning. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No. No air. **Speaker 2:** The school's paying for the heat. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** But this air would take air out there. Maybe you can put electric heat. **Speaker 7:** You sit there a lot. Doesn't that irritate you? I sit. You need to put heat up. I warm your seat on. Use their buckets. Keep the door open while they're there. **Speaker 1:** Right. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We'll then run another line. **Speaker 1:** Ask him what his time frame is and then get a price for the other one too and see when he can do it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** How long is it? What did he say? **Speaker 1:** When did he come to do that one? **Speaker 6:** He didn't say. That's what I got. He emailed. He emailed it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, we can always ask the questions. But the problem is. I know that everybody's like a month out. And how soon can he deliver it? Right. We wait two weeks to make another decision, get an answer. What if we made a motion to approve it **Speaker 1:** if the contingency is under a certain dollar amount? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You mean the two? **Speaker 1:** Yeah. If it's $1,000 more or something to get the split unit. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, what do we do? I mean, if they haven't put a mini-split out there, they've got heat out there already. **Speaker 1:** Yeah, I think those mini-splits just run the tube outside **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** of the building and the refrigerator. And the air from this works fine. The cool air in the summer works fine here. **Speaker 2:** The electrician from the other side. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'd say just go with this. It's a plug-in to 20, right behind John. Yeah, it just plugs in. Yeah, but the new one that he can replace on with it, **Speaker 2:** probably going to be able to plug right into that. Right. That's a hotel unit. The other thing you're talking about is going to need the electrician to come. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The only thing that could change is the plug, other than that. Oh, look, it works. We don't need it. If you're coming up with monies, it's going to be . I have no idea. It's supposed to come on. Right, right. So then we've got to call the electrician to get a price for that. **Speaker 1:** I don't know that that's what this is. It's probably an error code. Not this year. No, we're going to have it. He's probably saying something's screwed up. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's dead. The buttons don't work either. They just hit off. **Speaker 7:** All I know is the . . . . . . The one company . . . I got that information at home. The one company I had, they do it all. They do the whole thing, but . . . I don't know what it is. **Speaker 2:** Is there . . . 20 years, 25 years. **Speaker 21:** What's that? **Speaker 2:** Do they have a license to electric? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What's that, Dave? **Speaker 2:** That thing's been in there, what, 20, 25 years? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Since this was built in 90 . . . **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's not the most efficient. No. Top of the line thing, buddy. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No, 2006. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You know, the mini splits I like because you would have air conditioning in there, but . . . **Speaker 1:** Should we get . . . **Speaker 22:** I mean . . . **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're not going to get an electrician to quote it, a carpenter to quote it, and a plumber to quote it by next week. No. No. No. **Speaker 1:** I think you're going to put it in next week either. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, because they might be on other jobs. **Speaker 3:** I'm sure they've got to order it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right now, we have no heat, all right? We have no heat, so it starts getting cold, we have no heat. We've got to call someone in overnight thing to get a heat in there. It's going to cost even more. **Speaker 22:** I mean, I don't mind trying to get a bed, but if you can get it in there . . . But Gordon . . . **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Same. Make a decision. All right. Just take your remote and just . . . Oh, they don't have one. That's right. We'll open the door and all that. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Um, for out there, what they do . . . **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't want to hear you for anything for the rest of the year. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I want a new rug out there. That's what I want. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think the time of year we have to do this. I agree. I think we have a point if we wait. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** At least . . . And she does have . . . She does have a little electric heater space here that I don't think they should be on in here. They leave them . . . They're a fire hazard, right? They leave them on at night or who knows what. Paper fall against them or something. Yeah, we don't have insurance. **Speaker 1:** I know . . . **Speaker 29:** Tell him to do it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. He's right here to tell him. I'm going to make a motion that we . . . I'll second it. John, anything? **Speaker 7:** Or . . . I'm for it, but I wanted to try to . . . I would try . . . **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. . . . . . . **Speaker 10:** . . . . . . . **Speaker 12:** . . . . **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** . . . . . . . . **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** . . . . **Speaker 15:** . . . . **Speaker 29:** . . . . **Speaker 1:** . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I'm for it, but I wanted to try to . . . I would try to get, so it covers both rooms, if you could do it with a split unit around the same price. I feel it's worth, like, asking that. You know, if you . . . In the same amount of time. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, if you could do . . . **Speaker 1:** Not the same amount of hours. Same show time. How about this, Joe. Are you able to do a split unit around the same price? Okay. At least, you know. All right. In the split. I feel it's worth asking that. For both . . . I would have to have two. A split unit? So you can do both rooms in one room. **Speaker 30:** ask him for both I would have to have two yeah if he needs to understand it **Speaker 1:** more he can call I feel like I'm for trying to get you some heat but I feel **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** it's worth if he wants to call ask him that question stop in and talk to him too I know you all want so if you want to do that you want to amend a **Speaker 24:** motion to go no more than a thousand yeah that's true too if it's gonna be **Speaker 3:** much different than wouldn't he get the I mean we've got to pay for electric wiring but would he get his own electrician maybe maybe he's got **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** put the just right he'll have to get his own electrician that we have to pay for **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** electric wiring if needed not included right not included in the price no **Speaker 31:** matter who's gonna do it **Speaker 1:** I cut firewood for a living so I mean I'm not gonna I can't give you any professional opinion on it but all I know is I was in a hotel I was in a hotel I was in a hotel I was in a hotel I was in a hotel I was in a hotel I was in a hotel room once and the AC was kaput right made the call and they had similar unit and they had one out and in within an hour and you get a scene right now it's **Speaker 7:** got its own pig tail on it so you're probably gonna need an electrician to plug it in not for that one but for the mini splits you do **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't have a problem if we can go forward and have you called electricians could be a person all the way from the main channel **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** yeah if there's room yeah the school has certain electricians that they can use **Speaker 4:** here we buy a mini-split and add it we just said what would have the problem **Speaker 5:** the mini-split would be over the shade yeah it's not a big deal there but **Speaker 1:** they're drilling two holes new proof is that something worth in the same **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** if that's the case and we can get it done in the same time frame we need it **Speaker 20:** before it gets cold in here that's the big thing I don't want to go over a **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** certain amount but if we're gonna have an electrician come in here we're gonna have to go over now we're looking at close to $10,000 $3,000 this probably gonna need any electrical looks like no that one but if we go with the mini-split it well that might yeah right that's a question maybe a little pull power you know how to put mini-splits in right you've seen them before you've got to have the answer is you have to have an electrician to put a mini-split in **Speaker 32:** 220 you're going over a thousand for a room that has part-time use would that even make **Speaker 26:** sense I mean they are nice **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** well you know we're definitely gonna be pushing carpenter carpenter and the **Speaker 10:** plumber in the units oh and this one put it in you're gonna hopefully but I would **Speaker 11:** say if you're gonna put thousand I always thought the mini-split guys just did the whole thing what's that that the mini-split people did the whole thing all of the electrical and carpentry that you need I thought where was that oh that's just the way I thought **Speaker 1:** there's other people that probably do the whole thing yeah well you can get them right you can get the mini-splits right at home people in stone the problem is you gotta have somebody to charge them you gotta have somebody to bring it free on them and charge them **Speaker 2:** oh yeah I'd say the new units are probably gonna last 10 years max anyway you guys will then get them get heat and then **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** maybe we'll have the windows replaced out there I'm gonna keep that in mind **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** if we just say not to go over a thousand dollars the answer is gonna be no because we're gonna go over a thousand so either way it's gonna get this is gonna get for that **Speaker 1:** put it in the Imani thing don't think it's if I wonder but yeah I don't think **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** he's gonna go under a thousand for the mini-split so so we've got John's **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** amended motion I'll second that and if not call tomorrow tell them to go ahead **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** with this in order right if he's not gonna do this thing till December maybe we'll have to talk to you at the next meeting I think there's probably four screws in the plug I mean you guys want to get someone else to do it **Speaker 7:** we already got one well I'm just saying we didn't ask for a guy **Speaker 1:** you give another quote you gotta wait till what another two weeks and then **Speaker 33:** that's our problem we should have done this I'm just saying you got the quote just call that guy tomorrow and ask him that question and make a decision **Speaker 34:** that's what we're doing that's the plan **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** all in favor yes okay moving on oh anything else Laurie that you have oh business 9-1-1 numbering update we haven't heard anything yet **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** no this is a new building the camp we're not sure of yet what's that oh she said we did you talk to Teresa well that means nothing to me I don't see Teresa anymore **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** okay town sign update I just knew today that they were working on the cement it looked **Speaker 7:** like they were digging holes they were actually removing rocks from the earth **Speaker 29:** rocks is the signs made ready to rock and roll and new business we need to **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** send a thank-you note to the fire department for their Halloween participation Oh so sally because yeah I asked if she says weeks she says no you can come in **Speaker 18:** to it for free it's only just said for me to talk to her what's that yeah okay **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** anything else Laurie new business and then we need to go into executive **Speaker 1:** session for forever it's almost okay any other new business Tom? six months I'm aware. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** okay. a motion to go into executive session pending or probable civil litigation or prosecution to which the public body is or may not be a party or may be a party check it okay aye okay thank you guys you guys don't drill holes in these three oh i see them okay