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title: "Stamford Select Board — August 7, 2025"
date: 2025-08-07
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# Stamford Select Board — August 7, 2025

**Session:** Regular · **Duration:** 73 min · [Audio](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b51uP6hJ-poLQlioWFi1GgxbsG2VWR13/view?usp=sharing) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%208-7-2025.pdf)

**Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Douglas Wright, Kurt Gamari
**Absent:** Michael G. Denault, John Dunn

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Lori, do we all have this tax billing, sir? I think you all have it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No, that's good. All right. Welcome to a meeting of the Stamford Select Board. If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address. You'll notice that all our meetings are recorded, and this is to aid in the summarization of the minutes. Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor, and 15 minutes per topic. Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others. Select Board members present are Nancy Bushika.

**Speaker 1:** Douglas Wright. Kurt Gamari.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Will there be any adding of items or removing items from tonight's agenda? Lori.

**Speaker 2:** Only the additional correspondence we received since the agenda went out.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Will there be any adjustments to the agenda such as changing the order of the items? I don't know. I don't believe so. And Jeb is recording tonight's meeting for his YouTube video. Okay. Hearing of visitors. Reading and approval of records and orders from the regular meeting of July 17th.

**Speaker 1:** Second.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All in favor?

**Speaker 3:** Aye.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Update. First thing is commit a portion of the general funds toward town match for highway paving project. Last December, we had ARPA money that we sent here for a meeting that we're going to designate for East Road. Well, you couldn't do it that way. You had to say what it was paying. So we paid ourselves the town. 43-728-15. Well, now Dave has done the East Road project. We have that money set aside on the town side and we want to bring it back to the highway. So it's just a matter of moving it from town to highway. So if I could have a motion to move the 43-728-15. All in favor? Motion to move the 43-728-15 to cover the paving project on East Road.

**Speaker 1:** Motion to move it. Second.

**Speaker 4:** All in favor?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Aye.

**Speaker 5:** Dave, highway update, is that the one, where is that culvert going and the big one? Well, it's not, no, no, no, there's. Two sections of it. There's two sections of the smaller culvert, so all the 15s are going to be eight. The big crop, the big. Budget time. Yeah, the culvert money. I know you.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The gravel roads, you need help with them. I think we should increase that gravel and I know you said it doesn't go very far, but we've got to start somewhere putting something down.

**Speaker 5:** Yeah, typically, typically by the end of the month season, you're gone. The majority of the money for the summer is going to go to that.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And like, say we're losing roads just by not keeping them up.

**Speaker 5:** When I started here in 09, the highway maintenance budget was higher than we're not even what

we were 16 years ago, so.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You're very economical. The costs have gone up too.

Yeah.

**Speaker 5:** By quite a bit.

Yeah. What else do you have, Dave? They're working on the doors today up there at the garage, so. I don't think he finished.

**Speaker 5:** Is that the man door or the three? No, the three overhead doors. Okay. Only if he didn't finish today.

Does somebody have to stay there with him all day?

**Speaker 5:** Do you or Mike stay?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, if I was in and out, just, you know. No, just.

**Speaker 6:** No, no.

**Speaker 5:** If I may. Dave, the. The. The.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The. The.

**Speaker 7:** The.

**Speaker 5:** The. The. The.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The.

**Speaker 8:** The. The. The, the. The. The, the. I'm sorry. What's that? What? Start. Yeah.

**Speaker 5:** Yeah. Yeah. What's that? Yeah. This is great. This is just.

**Speaker 8:** This is great. Good. Okay. All right. All right.

**Speaker 5:** Okay. So. Okay. Wow. Um. Yeah. This works fine.

**Speaker 8:** Yeah. Wow.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** This place is a mess. Yeah.

**Speaker 8:** Yeah, exactly. Emergency funding for mud season.

**Speaker 9:** When it floods over, you gravel the roads in the spring.

**Speaker 5:** Yeah. I want to say right now the budget's at $40,000, and when I started here in 2009, it was probably combined between highway maintenance and road improvement of somewhere around $100,000. So we're probably $60,000 less than the original $16,000. All that was higher. What are the costs? A big part of it is we do it ourselves. We don't sub anything out. We have to sub it all out?

Yeah. No problem. What else, Dave?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Recycling.

**Speaker 5:** It seems like we've been back and forth with the refrigerators. I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to do with those.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What did we end up with refrigerators? Were they that guy taking them? Somebody from Whitingham?

**Speaker 2:** That bell bell? Refrigeration. I think they said once we had enough for a truck full, he would come down and take them. But how long does that take? He's not going to come down every time we get a little refrigerator.

**Speaker 10:** B-E-L-V-A-L.

**Speaker 2:** What?

**Speaker 10:** B-E-L-V-A-L.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Bell bell? Uh-huh. From Whitingham, Wilmington?

**Speaker 5:** There's three now. We don't really have a lot of storage.

**Speaker 11:** And they're supposed to be under cover and all that good stuff.

**Speaker 3:** But I'm glad to get in. Is there a Kennedy that was here?

**Speaker 12:** He takes...

**Speaker 5:** He'll do the tires. Tires and mattresses and that type of stuff. I don't remember what he said about refrigerators. I don't know.

**Speaker 3:** For some reason I thought he might take them, but it's been a while.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Can you call and ask him, Patrick, if he takes them?

**Speaker 3:** Yeah.

Yeah. Call and see if he takes them.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Anything else?

**Speaker 6:** Definitely we do need one.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** This wall was at the end of minutes for several months. Oh, Laurie, I think you... On our web page? Yeah. A tab? Yeah. Anything posted at Bill's or Recycling Center or wherever you post them? It's not at the Recycling Center. I usually put things here and at... Okay.

**Speaker 2:** Yeah, because it worked good when both... You know, when Carol's husband was about... I'm still in training, though. You're still in training? I'm still in training. I can only...

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I can have somebody watch me. He's got the cart punctured down. That's right.

**Speaker 5:** Bill's got the cart punctured down. That's right. Bill's got the cart punctured down.

**Speaker 3:** That's right. Bill's got the cart punctured down. Bill's got the cart punctured down. Bill's got the cart punctured down. Bill's watching me, and I get a certificate after a couple more times.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Anything else? Okay. Ordnance regarding street naming and street addressing. You wanted us to increase the fines. Have you given us... Do you have a list of the people that do not have 911 numbers? Okay.

**Speaker 13:** A couple of days dedicated time driving up and down every street.

**Speaker 14:** Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. I prefer not finding the people other than what we have in our ordinance because...

**Speaker 15:** Would you repeat what's in the ordinance? I don't remember and I don't have a copy of it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's only like $10. It's not very much.

**Speaker 15:** But is it $10 and then how many...

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** For each day of noncompliance, a civil penalty of 10 may be imposed for the initial violation. A penalty for second offense within six months should be $15 and subsequent offenses within a six-month period will be $20.

**Speaker 15:** But that's per day? Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes.

**Speaker 15:** So you're talking about $70 a week.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And even with this, we send them a ticket. They pay the court, but they still don't put the numbers on their house.

**Speaker 15:** Then they become the second offense.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. And we send them a court ticket. They pay the court. They still don't put it on. It's just, there's a way, Laura said, we could go to a different court.

**Speaker 2:** They'll have to actually take that unpaid amount and bring it into, like, Bennington District Court. A higher court, yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'd rather just send them a letter, put these numbers on and be done with it.

**Speaker 15:** Can you put a lien on for the fine? It costs too much to do. Do you have an estimate? How many? How many? About how many?

Fifty to sixty. That many?

**Speaker 15:** Sure. Easy add. They either don't have a sign or don't have a sign that you can read.

**Speaker 8:** And so, and then they're, how much a piece? Sixteen dollars. Sixteen dollars a piece, multiply that by however many is left over. We punch them up, we go in and install them, and send them a bill.

**Speaker 15:** That's the provision of the ordinance?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Mm-hmm. What if they don't pay you?

**Speaker 8:** Oh, well. The public safety people, that's how it pays, when these guys can find the building, you know, or the emergency, medical emergency. That's, I think it's more important than a ten dollar a day fine on somebody.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It is, I just wish people would be more responsible.

**Speaker 8:** Maybe when we do that, and we go out and pound, start pounding nails into trees or whatever, wherever we put the sign, we can, we have somebody out there knocking on the door, saying, hey, this is, this is going to be 30 bucks, or a set of feet, if you owe us 30 dollars. And send them a bill. I mean, it would.

**Speaker 16:** And that's easy.

But if you're still in a position, what if they don't pay?

**Speaker 3:** Then.

I guess you could take it to a small claims court.

**Speaker 3:** You could. I mean, if that's for an ambulance rager, but you could do it.

**Speaker 8:** For how much money, though? I mean, you've got 50 times 13. Install a sufficient sign. The fact is, is if it saves a life, one life. If it saves a life.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** If it saves a life.

**Speaker 17:** If it saves a life.

**Speaker 8:** If it saves a life. If it saves a life. If it saves a life. If it saves a life. If it saves a life. If it saves a life.

**Speaker 2:** Then isn't it worth it for the town to take care of it? Would we have the right, just go onto private property, and start putting signs on people's stuff?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, in our ordinance, it says, uh, the select board emergency management coordinator, or its agent, or employees, shall have the authority to enter the premises of any house or building not in compliance. Okay.

**Speaker 1:** I guess I don't do it so seriously. I mean. If you put the sign up in the right of way. I'm the only one here who's doing it. I mean, I don't have to do it. I mean, I don't have to do it. Okay. I mean, I guess I don't do it that seriously, I mean, I understand the burden on the first responders and all, but if people don't want to put the sign out, then whatever.

**Speaker 8:** But it's the people that are making the decision of the house, they're making the decision for the kids that are in the house, too, and the animals that are in the house. I understand that. And that's just wrong.

**Speaker 1:** They're just not making that decision. That's their decision.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And like, I think Bill or somebody said it last meeting, so the ambulance is trying to find your house, and you've got another call.

**Speaker 1:** Most first responders must have some kind of GPS location at this point, don't they, in time? Max, or some kind of GPS location when they get an address that they're responding to?

**Speaker 15:** You get a GPS location for an address, okay, and it gets you close. We don't have military GPS, I don't think they've got military GPS in the ambulance, which is within one meter.

**Speaker 18:** I mean, I just do it as a...

**Speaker 1:** It's a choice for the homeowner to make if they don't want to do it, and so be it. I don't know that we should extend ourselves out of the way to do it for them, but that's

just my opinion.

**Speaker 1:** Well, the ordinance was written and we put it.

Yeah, I don't, I mean, I don't... I think we should make maybe one or two little efforts, but they say no, heck with it.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, I mean, we do our due diligence, but if we're not going to put it up... Yeah, exactly. And then we go, say we do put it up, and they rip it out, and then they're down here, and they got a major complaint that we're trespassing, we're under property, it's going to open up a humongous can of worms. No doubt there's going to be one or two people that just are totally struck out by this and, you know, pissed off. I think we should just... That's just the way I view it. I don't know. I kind of, I just think as society in general, we tend to over-accentuate emergencies and things like that, but, you know, that's just my opinion. I agree with you, Bill.

**Speaker 15:** If you handed them the post and the sign, they would probably still lay in the back yard.

**Speaker 1:** That's right. Because, I mean, and if you put them up... If you put them up in the right of way, I'm sure the vast majority of people out there would probably just move it to an appropriate spot. You know, half of them might pay, half of them might not pay. We're just going to, we're going to tie up a lot of time dealing with these 911 house numbers. Well, some of it is an option, and that's one way to look at it. The state says you will do it. Well, they don't seem to be enforcing it.

**Speaker 19:** I'd like to just send them a letter first and say, this is what could happen.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We need your numbers. Okay. We could do this and...

**Speaker 15:** First thing is to identify those houses. That's right. Yep. So, somebody's got to go out and do it. So, who's on your 911 coordinating? Identify...

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't know who that belongs to. The only thing I took... 911... The only thing I kept responsibility for was, give me a new property and I'll measure it and assign a number to it.

**Speaker 15:** Well, I thought you were the 911 coordinator, Bill. You didn't... I know this is... Who's there with... I know you've... I know this is... I know this is... I know this is... I know this is... I know this is...

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I know this is... I know this is... I know this is... I know this is... Who's there with... I know you...

I know you don't want to do it, but... There's more than a few. There's more than a few out there and I've seen just by driving by since this conversation. Sure. But, you know. I got one on order to say, you know. Coordinator.

**Speaker 1:** Oh, I have it here. I'll put it up tomorrow. I had it made. Awesome. Yeah.

**Speaker 2:** The Monday after you... I mean, on my part, I just legitimately just keep forgetting or I remember and it's not the right time to come up and do it.

**Speaker 1:** It's just... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

**Speaker 18:** Yeah.

**Speaker 15:** Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying the pathways just kept getting put off for one reason or another.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's not because, you know, the rejection over to it or...

Well, Bob... I think it should be an individual choice.

**Speaker 15:** I mean, if she was willing to do it, I can't think of any better. I don't necessarily know what you're going to do with it, but it was more... To get to theMaybe I thought it was terribly late but maybe now she's busy, we're doing this. Maybe, when you have a place to work. It feels like it. Anyone who has better knowledge of all the streets up and down the town. Possibly who lives in the house. And she can probably tell you who it is in the house regardless.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And I think Stephanie's on there too. Stephanie Shelburne.

**Speaker 15:** It would be a lovely project for Stephanie. She's learned a lot of roads.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And a lot about Elkenwald.

**Speaker 15:** I'll help, but I'm not going to commit to going and spending a couple of days out doing this again. And I certainly am not going to commit for Joan to do it because she said flat out she won't. Okay. Again.

**Speaker 8:** A third time. Does the emergency manager handle the 911 coordinates? Or is that a two-step process? It is. After it was one of my many hats. Well, it was many of your hats. But I'm just saying, I think in most places 911 is different than the emergency manager.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think it was. Because it was Bill, myself here in the office, now Lori, because you automatically get that. And I thought there was another one. Another 911 person. I'll have to look and maybe see when it was started and how it was.

**Speaker 15:** Send a note to Bob. Nine.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Emergency management coordinator will then assign numbers. So I guess it's up to Bob and the coordinators. So if you could send a note to Bob and if he could get his group to identify houses that need 911.

**Speaker 1:** And it is on our tax insert too, right? Yeah.

**Speaker 15:** You know, I'm with you. I'm not looking to collect them.

Thanks. It's a lot of money. Just get them done. Get them done. All the talents in the tax insert. Highlighted. All caps.

**Speaker 5:** Pull the paper out for them and tell them to mail it back with their check. Yeah.

There you go.

**Speaker 5:** That's the easiest way. We can do as many steps as possible. Then we can install it.

**Speaker 15:** Yeah. I've just gone out in the dark, you know, on the lead vehicle. And you can't find the people. They can't go so far as to have a front door light to put on.

**Speaker 18:** I mean, I understand the responsibilities of it.

**Speaker 1:** I mean, some people just don't want to be arrested.

It's okay until somebody gets hurt. Yes.

**Speaker 20:** That was their choice. Yeah.

**Speaker 8:** Well, it's not just the person that owns the property. It's the emergency manager. It's the emergency manager. I mean, that's a concern for the responders as well. And the other thing too is, especially in Alamo, there's a lot of Airbnbs. If the number's not on that house, some of them don't know that they're at 98.

**Speaker 20:** Yeah. They don't know.

**Speaker 21:** They don't know.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They don't know. And then they don't know that they're at 98. They don't know. They don't know. They don't know. They don't know. They don't know. They don't know. They don't know. They don't know that they're at 986 Main Road or wherever. Yeah. Especially if anybody's never been out there, they're going to get lost 100 percent.

**Speaker 8:** Mm-hmm. I don't know if you figure it. Call your cell phone and get a lot of information. Yeah. Yeah. You ain't going to get nothing.

**Speaker 22:** Maybe we talk with Bob and...

**Speaker 1:** Have Lori send a letter to Bob?

**Speaker 15:** Do you agree?

**Speaker 19:** Sure.

**Speaker 15:** Have his group go out and canvass the neighborhood? So it's got to be either on the house... Well, he...

**Speaker 13:** Visiting the neighborhood.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Visiting the neighborhood. Visiting the neighborhood. Visiting the neighborhood. Visiting the neighborhood. Visiting the neighborhood. Visiting the neighborhood. Visiting the neighborhood. Visiting the neighborhood. Visiting the neighborhood. Visiting the neighborhood. Visiting the neighborhood. Visiting the neighborhood.

**Speaker 15:** Well, he... Visible... He's got the rules.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, visible on the house or... At the end of the road... At the front of the driveway. Lori, I think you've got the guidelines here where they post them if there's three or four houses on, like, uh... Stevie Wonder.

Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, on the other... Yeah. The other... Blaze Road. ...there's going to be three houses or two houses up there. We good on that part?

Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Set... Set... Set tax rate, sign tax warrant, and approve tax bill insert. I thought the insert looked good.

**Speaker 2:** Tax rate calculations. They already filled the insert. I just wanted to give you a final once-over now that you're ready to set the rate. It's nice and simple, and it's good. Yep, it's a pretty clear cut. All the articles that passed at the Marchtown meeting left a 25% fund balance.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We have a fund balance and what we are anticipating in receipts there. So you add them all up, subtract them, and divide. I make a motion to accept these as presented. Last year, residential tax rate was 1.4403. This year, it's 1.5224. The town last year was... 0.5817, the town and highway. This year, the town and highway is 0.5558, so that went down a few cents.

**Speaker 16:** It's a school that's going up almost 9 cents.

**Speaker 20:** Education goes down 11 cents. That's after the school board cut 60,000 out of it, all going to the state bureaucrats.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And the state sets the rate, the school, we don't set the rates anymore. And... It's probably going to be worse after they consolidate districts and all that stuff.

**Speaker 23:** Absolutely.

**Speaker 20:** It's going to be better, they'll save all that money. Oh yeah, they'll charge us twice as much. It's all bureaucrats. It's going to be their cares about education.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Too many Indians. Too many chiefs. Can I have a motion to sign the warrant so Lori can collect the taxes?

**Speaker 3:** I make a motion to sign the warrant. Okay.

**Speaker 2:** Did you get a second for your motion to set the taxes? I did. Second. You did the motion. Second. I did the motion. Doug did.

**Speaker 20:** Okay. Do you have a quorum?

Mm-hmm. Three or five.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Tax rate... Do you want us to say what the rate is or you're going to fill it in? We accept the tax rate as presented and you'll put it in the minutes. I'll put it in the minutes, sure. Okay. Sign the tax warrant and approve the tax bill insert. Okay. Correspondence. Do you have a motion to sign the warrant for the National Opioid Settlement Information? Lori.

**Speaker 24:** That's you.

**Speaker 2:** From this National Opioid Settlement Place, many states have been together to sue one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight different medical companies that create opioids and the state of Vermont has signed in on it and is asking as many towns and counties to sign in as well. Because the more people that sign up for this, the more money the state of Vermont will get. We didn't do it a couple of years ago when it came around because we didn't really feel it applied to us. We don't have a treatment center here in town and the money can't just go into the general fund. It has to be used to help. But they've since said the ambulances and emergency responders can be given this money for training or help. And if this is a way that the town can receive money and our fire department can benefit, I think it would be good. It doesn't cost us anything. We just have to sign up by next month and then we're part of it. There's no way of knowing how much we might get ultimately. I mean, these companies are paying $19 million, $74 million, $177 million, like over 10 and 15 and five-year periods. I mean, that's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. And it's not just about the money. It's about the money and how much we might get ultimately. I mean, these companies are paying $19 million, $74 million, $177 million, like over 10 and 15 and five-year periods. I mean, it costs us nothing, right? It's nothing. It doesn't cost us anything. But the State of Vermont would like to see as many towns pitch in as possible because on the State gets more money and then they'll divvy it up. According to the participation rate. Do you have a motion to do that? Yeah. I'd make a motion to accept the... I mean, it does sound a little harsh to me, but I'm very happy with that. Okay. pitch in as possible because then the state gets more money and then they'll divvy it up according to the participation. Do we have a motion to do that? Yeah. I'd make a motion to accept the sign, whatever it is that we have to do. Okay. Where is this money coming from though? What is the, what are, somebody suing? Johnson & Johnson, Cardinal, Amerisource, Bergman, McKesson, Teva, Allergen, CVS, Walgreens, Walmart, Kroger.

**Speaker 1:** Why are they suing them? Because they are distributors of Oxycontin and of distributing free pharmaceuticals to doctors to hand out like candy. Got a lot of people addicted. And then they ended up doing heroin because it's cheaper than Oxycontin. In a nutshell.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Kurt, you made the motion. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor? Yes. Okay. What else do you have for correspondence, Lori?

**Speaker 2:** Let's see. You all have the, well, I got a phone call from Barbara Barlow. That's all I know. Abby, do you want to do those now? Yes. She said Channel 3 News is visiting every town in Vermont to do a story on every town. And she doesn't know when they'll reach Stamford, but she'd like to see our time. She'd like to see flowers and a nice center, and she'd like to see a new Vermont flag out on a flagpole because ours is terribly faded and not bright blue anymore. She had asked last year for a flag, and we talked to the school. It never happened, so now she's come to you guys.

**Speaker 1:** How did we typically get a flag on the stage at the school?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, if we asked the school last year, we'd have a flag. Last year, we haven't heard any response. Can you follow up on that and see if they have one, if they're putting one up in September?

**Speaker 1:** I mean, we can't make people plant flowers if they don't want to. We don't have any town space. But go ahead and plant flowers. I've done my part.

**Speaker 8:** The flags are good. We don't even have a sign.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And the other, the state flag, well, let's see what the school has got, if they're planning on doing this. If not, I think we should do it just because it would look better. The other thing is, that flag needs to be lit at night.

**Speaker 1:** There's light out there, isn't there? There is a light there. It doesn't work. Well, there's a light on the pole. There is a light on the pole?

Yes. The other option is to take it down. Like we used to do back in the day. I think the kids used to take it down at the end of school, but... It was like a rope. We used to throw it on the pole.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah.

It was a long time, but we would rotate through it. Right. Two kids would go out, whatever class it was. It was like a grade three or something. They were doing that at the town hall a couple of years ago. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And I'm not sure, I hate to even say this, but can that Bobcat song flag go on with the state flag? On the... U.S. state and...

**Speaker 17:** On the bottom, yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It is okay. Yeah. I wasn't sure how many can go on the flag.

**Speaker 8:** Yeah, it went right on the American flag and then the... State.

And then I didn't know if another one could go on that flag.

**Speaker 8:** I think you'll see a lot of prisoner awards and stuff like that.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Mm-hmm. So first check with school, see if they're doing anything. And I know they're going to have a cleanup of the memorial, the Ethier Memorial, this weekend, I think it is. Next week.

**Speaker 23:** Is it next weekend?

**Speaker 20:** Next week is Saturday.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes. Saturday. And I'll try to do the flowers. But if anybody else wants to plant flowers... I'm digging mine up. I don't know if anyone's taking care of the flowers out front that were planted by the... Who was the organization that planted them? Community Projects people?

**Speaker 20:** Did you do that?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No. Oh. It was not like the community building committee. The Community Project Community Building Committee planted them? I don't know who takes care of them. Pam did. Pam, yeah. Pam did. She volunteered it and paid for most of it herself. She did. She did. She did. She did. She did.

**Speaker 5:** She did. She did.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** She did. She did. She did. She did. She did.

**Speaker 15:** She did. She did. She did. She didn't pay for most of it herself. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Uh,no. She didn't pay for any of them. A $1,000 town. Okay.

**Speaker 15:** Yep.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** She just...

**Speaker 15:** Planted them.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** She went and got them in an order now and... She planted them when she paid Maria to help her.

**Speaker 15:** Mm-hmm. Who's paying. Florida.

**Speaker 13:** Florida.

**Speaker 15:** It's fun. Yep.

**Speaker 25:** So...

**Speaker 14:** We could move the sign back in front of the generator for when they come visit if we

**Speaker 15:** haven't gotten it back up on the building yet.

**Speaker 8:** Does anybody know about how they went down there? Well, we had some changes.

**Speaker 15:** Yeah. somebody who said they were going to volunteer the use of a man lift.

**Speaker 8:** Yes, I heard that. I was there. And they determined it wasn't the man lift. After you left, the conversation ended. It wouldn't have been able to take the maid of the sign and the man.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You'd need two of them or something, you said? Yeah. But we were looking out front there. What if it went against the school building where they have a banner there now. It says Stamford Bobcat. Nobody would have to get up on the building. It'd be right there when you come in to the building.

**Speaker 8:** Is there any? Yes. There's a couple hundred dollars.

**Speaker 17:** Two or three hundred dollars available.

**Speaker 8:** So if I called somebody to help out with trying to install it where everybody wants it? Does anyone look up in there? I mean, it's going to be more than a couple hundred dollars.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Now, I know the honorable sign is not installed on the building.

**Speaker 15:** Right. If Mike was here, he could tell us what they did with the posts that originally went with the sign when they took it down.

**Speaker 8:** I think they're still up. Actually, John and I took it down.

**Speaker 15:** We didn't take the posts out. So, standing the sign on the posts in front of the building might still work without having to raise it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And you have to dig up the blacktop. No. Put it right.

**Speaker 1:** Okay.

**Speaker 8:** We can return the posts back.

**Speaker 15:** I hate to say it. Unless they should.

**Speaker 8:** Well, I think he wants it on the building. Well, if they can get it on the building, fine. That's what I was thinking about. I think Mike should put it up on his new property. This is kind of the perfect spot. It's the perfect location for it.

**Speaker 1:** Hey, Mike, put it up on your new property. Well, to make it look pretty. Yeah. It's really a time of the year. It's a prom entry sign.

Like, saying, welcome to San Bernardino. You can make the school down there. Yeah. Well, you never know. Yeah. It'd be underwater. Probably, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

**Speaker 20:** I don't know. I don't know. Probably 400 or 500 in the community projects.

**Speaker 1:** Let me see what I can .

**Speaker 22:** And they should have insurance.

**Speaker 8:** Talk to me if you're short. Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. I'm going to see who we can raise the money from. We can probably raise some. And they need insurance. Yeah. It might just appear.

**Speaker 15:** Enough said for now.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. So, Mike, thank you so much for being here.

**Speaker 15:** You're welcome. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Mike.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. All right. All right.

**Speaker 8:** Thank you, Mike. Yeah. Thank you, Mike.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah.

**Speaker 15:** Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Yeah. So Lori's got another correspondence too. I know she's got a couple of them. I'm with one of them here. I received Chris Nolan Zeller. He's a graduate student at Westfield State University. Lori, I jumped to the ambulance request because I didn't know how long you'd be. I'm completing a research project in partnership with the Northern Berkshire EMS with the goal of providing recommendations for the organization to protect its fiscal health and long-term sustainability as a provider of emergency medical services to the 13 communities. So he attached a survey that he'd like to have back by the 15th of August. And the questions are... Does our community have a master plan, sometimes referred to as a comprehensive plan or community plan? Does he mean like...

**Speaker 26:** A town plan or an emergency action plan? What does he mean?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't know.

**Speaker 1:** Sounds like he would refer to like an emergency action plan, no?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** But I can question that. Okay. Unsure. Unsure. Does your community have an up-to-date EMS service zone plan? I don't think so. Big hook.

**Speaker 15:** The town is a single EMS zone.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Okay. Here's the questions. How willing do you believe your community would be to increase taxes to support emergency medical services? Strongly oppose, and then it goes down, or strongly support? So...

**Speaker 1:** What's that? They're strongly support.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Would we want to increase taxes? Are we neutral on this? Because there are several questions.

**Speaker 1:** What's the two options in the middle?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oppose, neutral, support, strongly support.

**Speaker 1:** Probably out of love, neutral. I'd say neutral.

**Speaker 27:** I'd say neutral, yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Neutral. How important do you feel your municipality's role in ensuring the community has adequate emergency medical services? Important? Very important or not important at all? I think it's very important. Highly important, yeah. Please rank the following funding scenarios based on your best judgment. Current funding. Any model. No municipal assessments. So we're not charged for every time the ambulance comes up here. Okay. Should our town be assessed based on population? Most preferred or least preferred?

**Speaker 27:** I think they want to see if the ambulance is still viable in five years to go to Reedsboro.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Go? Go to Stamford to go.

**Speaker 1:** File over who? Us or them?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Them. So they do cover us. I mean, if they don't. I don't even want to answer that.

**Speaker 3:** Now, are they saying, when they say that, do they mean like, okay, a smaller population so we'd be assessed yet? Please rank the following funding scenarios based on your best judgment.

**Speaker 1:** It's not mandatory that we insert a survey, is it?

No.

**Speaker 1:** Just good and nice. We're just offering this project here.

**Speaker 20:** I don't like that project.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Municipal assessment based on population. I leave it.

**Speaker 3:** See if I'm sure how to take it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Do we want a municipal assessment based on previous year's call volume? No.

**Speaker 13:** If you have a choice, you would rather have it on population.

**Speaker 1:** Seems to me like this survey is trying to get to the bottom.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Municipal, do we want the municipal assessment based on municipal financial capacity? No.

**Speaker 8:** I'm good. I hope we get to an A-class. So I know down south of the border, in a bunch of communities, a few years back, when there was still a line down there, there was ambulance services trying to get into the community. There was our own people that we had that took over for the police ambulance years ago. So these state-funded ambulance services that are like Worcester and based in big cities, they were assessing the towns in the municipalities. They were assessing them a fee for the amount of calls they had.

**Speaker 22:** So not only was there insurance, because a lot of people don't have insurance companies.

**Speaker 1:** Because right now, big cars. We do, but if you're trying to cut costs, where would you eliminate first?

**Speaker 15:** Do you get a personal solicitation in the mail? I do, yes. Yes. Okay, so do I. And I contribute to it and have for years. Yes. And that's the total contribution that they get. I'm from Stamford.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right. So should Stamford, as a town, be funding them based on our financial capacity, on call volume, on a combination of everything?

**Speaker 3:** What you're talking about here is the town paying for it.

**Speaker 28:** I'm not comfortable with that survey at all.

**Speaker 15:** Stamford receives medical service.

**Speaker 1:** I understand that. I understand all that. But they're putting out a survey. But we don't want to pay for it. They're putting out a survey questioning finances.

**Speaker 15:** Yeah. Do we pay for it now? It costs money to operate it, and we don't contribute to it. Do we pay for it now? We don't contribute to it. Do we pay for it now?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What's that, Kirk?

**Speaker 1:** Do we pay for it now? Nothing.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right. Individually.

**Speaker 1:** Individually. But they don't know if that's going to sustain people. I understand that. But it seems to me like that survey is trying to make it mandatory that the town pays for services. That's what it seems like to me.

**Speaker 19:** Not mandatory, but they want to see how much.

**Speaker 15:** Not mandatory, but they want to see how receptive towns are to pay for it. He's doing it as a study project.

**Speaker 19:** The goal is ultimately to pay for, have towns pay for the service.

**Speaker 1:** That's the ultimate goal, which is going to cost Stamford more money. I see where you're coming from. I'm at the same area because if they come to my house and pick me up up there, why should you guys have to pay for that? I get that. But on his point, it's not like you have to pay for it. I get that. I get that.

**Speaker 8:** I get that. I get that. I get that. I get that. I get that. I get that. I get that. I get that. I get that. I get that. I get that. I get that. I get that. I get that. And I get that. I get that. I get that. They need to know, they need to know the volume part of it, so in case they need to pick up next to a team or something, you know, or another ambulance to run north or further or whatever else. I don't know. They're just trying to.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** My coverage, coming to Stamford is not going to cost as much as when they go to Reedsboro. Right. Because their reimbursement is the same from Medicare or whatever they're getting. Who reimburses our insurance, right?

**Speaker 15:** Right. They're lucky they get reimbursement from Medicare. Or your personal insurance if you don't have Medicare. So if they're going to pay- Or there's no charge if you contributed during the year. Right.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Just our insurance, that's all they take is the insurance.

**Speaker 15:** No, if you contributed, say, $50 for the year, they do not charge anybody at all.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They don't bill our insurance?

**Speaker 15:** Not if you contribute money as a supporter of the service.

**Speaker 21:** That's that thing you get in the mail.

**Speaker 15:** If you're a member.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, if you're a member.

**Speaker 8:** I think they shouldn't.

**Speaker 9:** Well, they're also basically supported to some extent by the state of

**Speaker 15:** Massachusetts and by Berkshire County. And you really have to go and see, look into their finances and see where their money is coming from.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So do you feel bored? Do you feel we shouldn't fill this out, or what do you think?

**Speaker 1:** I mean, I don't want to fill it out. I'm kind of skeptical. Okay, because there's only three of us who can do it. Based on what I have to say.

**Speaker 3:** I just had a couple of questions, maybe it's just me, but I just don't understand.

**Speaker 1:** It could be interpreted a couple of different ways. Yeah, I just thought it was funny.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All right, because we're not going to agree on this, and we need all three to agree to pass it tonight. Okay, moving on then. Lori, we'll go back to you. Barb Barlow, we're all set with that.

**Speaker 2:** Yes, you were asked to send a letter to Dave Saldo asking where he stood. Yep. I received a response from him saying he has decided to leave the planning commission as his presence appears to have no value from the new board members that are in place. He humbly asked the board to allow him to continue on the conservation commission and the VA until his terms expire. He feels his interaction with both of those boards remains positive, and allows him to freely contribute without fear of reprisal for trying to participate as a positive member of the community.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, so he is leaving planning commission. We appointed the alternate last week for Stephanie Shelburne.

**Speaker 1:** I don't know.

I think it was.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think it was.

Presentation.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Presentation. We have to accept his resignation. Make a motion to accept the resignation from the planning board.

Second. All in favor? Yes. All right. And Lori, can you send him a letter? So you're sending his resignation from the ZVA?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No. He's staying on ZVA and he's staying on conservation. Okay. I'm just wondering if he resigned at the ZVA meeting, from the ZVA.

**Speaker 8:** No. No. He wants to stay on the ZVA. No.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No. No. No. No. No.

**Speaker 8:** No. No. No. No. No.

**Speaker 17:** No.

**Speaker 8:** No.

**Speaker 15:** No.

**Speaker 8:** No. I know the letter says, but I'm just saying at the meeting he resigned, verbally, but fine. That's good. Didn't get out that easy.

**Speaker 15:** Do you want to send Stephanie a letter appointing her then?

**Speaker 1:** Sure.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Out of alternate.

**Speaker 1:** Do we need a motion for that or is here something we can go right into it? Sure. Motion into the appointing Stephanie Shelburne the planning commission. Come for the balance of his term. I'm not sure.

**Speaker 4:** no remainder of his term yes doesn't it yeah yeah i think we just appointed them this year to that

**Speaker 24:** i believe we did 2025 yep till 2029 and i think that i goofed when i did your emotion in a minute

**Speaker 2:** appointed carol salvo to alternate to the conservation yep yep but then it seems as though there was a vacancy there i think she could go right into an existing term as opposed

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** to being a vacancy oh there you go conservation we have uh marta resigned so lisa gardner lisa grimlin resigned i don't think we appointed anybody in her position peter greenbush resigned so nancy lesage went on there sheila is on dave saldo is on on irene bergman is on so yeah it looks like we have a vacancy on the conservation commission

**Speaker 1:** all right do we want to appoint her or see she still she still wants that with someone

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** yeah you haven't heard anything from carol because okay on both uh stephanie and carol when you send the letter just say you are appointed and if you don't want it send us a letter let us know so we're not hanging there so can i have a motion to appoint carol saldo to conservation commission motion to appoint carol saldo

**Speaker 1:** second oh go ahead with the letter of acceptance all in favor aye are we going to put her to lisa

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** grimlin's term expiring in 2028 that's the only one right yeah correspondence lori the school was there something in the school no but i have a second one of these you're going to talk about that tonight application um i'd like to application for the third person on the highway for the part-time um i'd like to wait and talk to dave and then we have a full board here we can discuss it in uh executive session two she said one just came in

**Speaker 2:** just tonight do you have old business lori i don't know if we're at a point where we want to review the employee policy handbook and talk about it um we met as a group a week or two ago and i just went through and added everything that was discussed for people to ponder and i don't know if you want to wait for a full board or if you want to talk about it tonight

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** i would like to review it again uh if we have a well i i'd like to this is the book that vermont league of cities and towns puts out compares all the towns or jobs salaries um i've gone through part of it and i'd like to discuss it with the board or if we can have another work session and see how we are compared to other towns i do have a policy i got from reeseboro this was 2023 and i'd like to look at some other town policies see where we fit

**Speaker 7:** how we compare i have clarksburg if you want to do yeah i'd like to look at clarksburg um any

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** other vermont towns it's small that i could think of that yeah oh yeah can we do another work session like we did with uh doug myself lori just go through it but first i'd like to hand these out and so we can look through these and discuss these before we have anything um dave you'll get me clark's group yeah i would just like to add that

**Speaker 5:** i know you're looking at other towns but when you're trying to hire somebody it's a skill set you're trying to hire so that's not the be-all end-all because if you're trying to hire somebody with a certain skill set they're not necessarily going to work for the town skill set so like i said that's that book's not a dln though i don't know exactly who's putting in for this position but i've i've i've done a lot of research on what's going on and and i've made a lot of progress on that but i'm sure that the books are going to get a lot of progress on this position but i don't know exactly who's putting me in for this position but i've I've just been kind of browsing through some of the NDE and Berkshire jobs and stuff just to see what jobs are paying and they're quite a bit higher than they were even five years ago. So I'm not sure how updated that book even is. There is a ton of municipal type jobs available right now in Berkshire County and Auburn. If you want to compare reasons, I'd say they're definitely different. Well, they have about four or five men covering now. But even their benefits are... Which towns would compare kind of to Stamford for small towns? The planning commissioners always like to say Rupert. That's always a comparison we get. Even so, you're not competing against Rupert. There are some of you trying to get it out. Right. Well, I mean... You're competing against, like, well, I would say if you're going to say a town in this valley, it'd be... Florida Mountain? Florida Mountain.

**Speaker 12:** Queensborough, Wilmington, you know, Williamstown. Wilmington, maybe not so much because they get the ski income there.

**Speaker 3:** No, but I mean, if somebody is looking for a job...

**Speaker 29:** Williamstown has a heavy... looking for a heavy equipment operator. Yeah, they've trained their employees to work up there, right?

**Speaker 5:** Is this something you're saying?

**Speaker 1:** Again, though, they're in a ski town, so they get a lot of money coming in from there. But they're a small town, so they make more money up the street. You've got to want certain parts of it, you know, that can trade off for salary and all that kind of stuff.

Yeah. You've got to want certain parts of it, you know, that can trade off for salary and all that kind of stuff.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. You've got to want certain parts of it, you know, that can trade off for salary and all that kind of stuff.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, I think the...

**Speaker 1:** Some people like the other promo for, like, lunch or a sandwich every day. They take a few less bucks to do that.

**Speaker 8:** You guys are in a state retirement system, too, right? Yeah. Yes. So, Massachusetts is not a municipality. It's third and municipality. All right. Not the higher systems, but not those?

**Speaker 5:** Well, say, Mass, some of them do. Yeah. And my father's in that, my father worked for Clarksburg.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So can we set up another work center?

**Speaker 16:** session that would work for you, Doug or Laurie? I'm not sure yet what day's available, but I'm hoping it's the idea.

**Speaker 30:** We'll talk about it and set something up. Propose a date and then we'll see what we come up with.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Maybe Mike will be available then, because he was in on the other one too. There's a lot of information in here. This is 2024, so it's pretty up-to-date.

**Speaker 5:** I would say that a lot of those people probably haven't tried to hire. I don't know. They don't say. I'd be more than happy to.

**Speaker 6:** I think the personnel policy, that's kind of like two different things, but...

**Speaker 5:** Well, this is part of it. Part of it, but not... We're doing it because we're trying to contract.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** ... job list. It's shorter.

**Speaker 2:** The people that came in this week, there are appointments for rabies shots, men and women. They came in late August, so they intend to come in as soon as they get their shots.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Who are those two?

**Speaker 2:** Robert Bouchard and Aaron Malachuk both have August vet bills. Brian Connor, his house has been for sale. His closing is probably in the next four weeks. He'll be moving away. That's six dogs. We've got two, four, six dogs off the list, so we have just seven actual delinquent dog owners.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, I'd like to publish their names like we did last year. So it would be Sara Bardo, Bob Briggs. Sara Bardo's got two. Bob Briggs has two. David Kelly Whitney has one. Bev Kirby has one. Jamie Cusa has two. Philip Rondo has one.

**Speaker 2:** Anthony Waters has one.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** When he sent the letter, if they don't have the dog anymore, you'd think they'd call right away. New business. Or any other old business. New business. You had some request that the school wants to meet with the select board about walking to school and other emergency stuff.

**Speaker 2:** Look at safety and security within the building and sign it in and walk in.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Did they give any dates? When to meet? Or whatever?

**Speaker 15:** It got hot enough. You could tell. Turn the fan on. The whole thing is off.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Do they know when they want to meet or who they want to meet with?

**Speaker 2:** The superintendent just asked for contact information. Thought maybe Bob Briggs and Bill being emergency management would be good. And I gave all five of your emails and phone numbers. And I don't know. I don't know when he's looking to set it up. But I think he'd like to have it done before school starts. So in the next couple weeks.

**Speaker 31:** I know.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think I remember one of the problems was walking from the school to the church. They have to cross in front of Stevens Lane and the fire trucks are coming down.

**Speaker 1:** So he's thinking like the crossing guard or something like that?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And plus the sidewalks aren't shoveled in the winter. But. I mean if we get a major snowstorm that's not going to be our first priority is the sidewalk. So.

**Speaker 8:** That sidewalk.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They'll be in the road.

**Speaker 8:** Is that a state law? What's that? Sidewalks need to be shoveled?

**Speaker 5:** Probably by the owner of the property. And that's. Well we could make it. That's what I'm saying. But.

**Speaker 8:** It's not a state law that you can make a road.

**Speaker 5:** So. That. Before we do it. I talked to the local fire school state road law. Clear idea of what's expected. Because it is on the top. Maintain it. Laura you feel that the school board's going to get in touch with all of us right? I think the superintendent and the principal want to meet.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So. He has the contact information for everyone and I'm sure he'll send an email. Who's on that email list? Bob.

**Speaker 2:** Bill. Bill Bean. And you five. Okay. I think that was like the last. Yeah. Of your plowing list. Yeah. I mean the original idea was to go all the way to Jefferson.

But technically.

**Speaker 2:** It's staying hybrid.

Yeah. So.

**Speaker 2:** So. So.

**Speaker 5:** So.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So.

**Speaker 5:** So. So. So. So.

**Speaker 8:** So. So. So. So.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. I love that because there's a lot of times Oh. Many commissioners put these ideas in the town's head that. latukes might do them one time. Aside a lot. Slow down traffic. So they. Essentially. You know. Decide for towns to put these things in because they slow traffic on this in our town. And then there's no plan to maintain them. Well.

**Speaker 29:** That's what they seem like.

**Speaker 5:** Because of because of the weather's constantly. Yeah. A problem you can't say. like the staying on their property isn't going to out of the bigger load of piles. Right. I was. Oh. whatever is feasible to do so, and that's kind of how it is.

Why did they have to get over to the church?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's their... Emergency plan.

**Speaker 21:** Yeah.

**Speaker 25:** Oh, okay.

**Speaker 15:** One of the problems they had to, the one time that I know that they've used it last year was a call to the school or a fire department. They evacuated the kids, put them in the middle of Stebbins Lane. Engine can't go over, wasn't gonna drive over the kids, but they didn't direct it well enough to understand that it's gotta be kept clear.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Maybe they should hold them at Stebbins Lane, make sure there's no vehicles coming, and cross them then, and...

**Speaker 2:** I think the problem is the only crosswalk is not at that side, it's at that side. It's down there. And then the fire department trucks are trying to turn into the yard, and this is where the kids were walking.

**Speaker 5:** They were not crosswalking. Well, they should've, that whole thing, if you look at the school, the crosswalk, there should be a sidewalk. The sidewalk comes right down the middle of the lawn, right to the front door. So that way there, you don't have people trying to walk against or with traffic. With the traffic, driveway and all that? Yeah, but that was something that was staying in here, but I mean, even myself can look at that and go, well, this is where the sidewalk crossing should be. Right. But that's not how they designed it, so I don't know how it's done. That's a lot to talk about.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Other new business. All boards meeting. Lori, we need to set up a date. Do you want, what night are you thinking, what night will work better for us?

**Speaker 1:** Or do you want an off Thursday?

An off Thursday. I was gonna say an off Thursday or something.

**Speaker 2:** An off Thursday night. So do you wanna do it in September, or are you gonna try and get it this month? What do you think? Probably September. So I would say either 11 or 25. That sounds good.

**Speaker 1:** Try it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** 9-11.

**Speaker 6:** 9-11?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yep. If you can get the notices out to all the chairmans. What time do you want it?

**Speaker 2:** Six.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, that'll work. That's good.

**Speaker 2:** Do you want it in the gym?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes, as long as they send a representative from each board. They don't all have to attend. Be like a work session. Not a work session, just a round table discussion. Any other new business, Lori?

Any new business here? Anything else? Yes, we can adjourn. Motion to adjourn. Second. All in favor? Aye. You don't wanna do your reviewing employment tonight?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No, we're gonna wait to look over that one and talk with Dave.

When you said it, I thought you would put it up here.

**Speaker 8:** It just hurts for about 30 seconds.

No, that's fine. Thank you, John, and Lori. Have a good night. Thank you. Thank you.