--- title: "Stamford Select Board — July 17, 2025" date: 2025-07-17 session: regular speaker_labels: 1 cluster(s) named from the roll call and that meeting's chair in the minutes, 1 named from roster attendance, 7 of 9 clusters unnamed voice_ids: {"SPEAKER_00":88,"SPEAKER_02":9,"SPEAKER_03":2,"SPEAKER_04":1,"SPEAKER_06":6,"SPEAKER_08":9,"SPEAKER_09":7,"SPEAKER_10":5,"SPEAKER_13":3} duration_min: 113 audio: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Jfk26ZUHGdlgB86wGm9yJ6D1rgA3WOev/view?usp=sharing audio_source: town drive minutes: https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%207-17-25%20w%20Code%20of%20Ethics%20Ordinance.pdf minutes_pending: false present: [Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, Douglas Wright, Kurt Gamari, John Dunn] absent: [] transcribed: 2026-09-04 (faster-whisper large-v3, CUDA; names corrected per data/name_fixes.json) diarization: pyannote/speaker-diarization-3.1 (automated; cluster labels may over-split a single voice; unattributed paragraphs have no reliable speaker) --- # Stamford Select Board — July 17, 2025 **Session:** Regular · **Duration:** 113 min · [Audio](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Jfk26ZUHGdlgB86wGm9yJ6D1rgA3WOev/view?usp=sharing) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%207-17-25%20w%20Code%20of%20Ethics%20Ordinance.pdf) **Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, Douglas Wright, Kurt Gamari, John Dunn --- **Speaker 1:** Sorry, I'm sorry **Speaker 2:** Oh **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** There it is, okay Not included on the agenda you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address You will notice that all our meetings are recorded and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes Visitors are welcome and we allow five minutes of conversation comments per visitor and 15 minutes per topic Discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others select board members present are Michael G. Denault, Nancy Bushika, Will there be any adding of items or removing items from tonight's agenda Okay Will there be any adjustments to the agenda such as changing the order of items so and Jeb is recording tonight's meeting for his YouTube video alright We just came out of executive session and no no action taken hearing the visitors **Speaker 3:** Yes **Speaker 1:** Last meeting I just want to know on the record last meeting you guys went to executive session We waited outside for the outcome Whatever it was and it was done well Before we were allowed to come back in **Speaker 4:** So I think what was done before you do we have any do we take any action? **Speaker 5:** Yeah, or the action was is that you were sending the person a letter **Speaker 6:** You were dictating it to Laurie when we walked in. Oh, sorry. Well, did we come out? **Speaker 5:** There was no vote taken. No what? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, it's an oversight. So sorry. Sorry it happened and **Speaker 7:** These oversights are just starting to get a lot **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I disagree I think we have very few a lot less than the planning board has You ever see those meetings Yeah, there you go No, you should since there are a lot of hand people get way out of hand I love sports Watch your meetings, you can see them. I know you're there to give I a hand **Speaker 1:** I'm making a statement about something that occurred. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right, and I'm defending this board saying it's very... Absolutely, absolutely. I use it for an example. **Speaker 1:** Okay, so... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** This is the second time you put this board down, Jim, in two weeks. Second time you put this board down in two weeks. You know what? There's elections coming up next March. **Speaker 1:** I don't know part of it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, there you go. **Speaker 1:** Jim, can I say something? I like doing what I'm doing. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And so don't we. And we do our best. **Speaker 1:** I didn't... I have a person... I have not... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You did put this board down two weeks in a row now. **Speaker 1:** Don't say you didn't on that video. I just want the public to be aware of the action that you took. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They were. **Speaker 1:** Without... **Speaker 8:** They were. **Speaker 1:** Coming back into the public meeting. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They were. The public was aware of it. You were aware of it. You just said you were aware of it. You were walking in when it was happening because I opened the door for you guys. And she was dictating it while the door was open. **Speaker 1:** An action was taken and there was no vote and we didn't even get a lot of... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** There wasn't a vote. I didn't see that. Right. There wasn't a vote. It was an executive session. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** When we came out... **Speaker 1:** I'm lost. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** But when we came out, maybe we didn't make the vote when we came out. **Speaker 1:** I was just making... I wanted to make... be aware of it. I don't know. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Is this the one where we requested Dave to come? **Speaker 1:** I believe so, yes. Meeting executive. **Speaker 9:** I don't believe we made any action. We just haven't heard... Okay. **Speaker 10:** We didn't. We didn't make any building name. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Thank you, Jim. We'll try to be more careful. **Speaker 11:** Me too. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes, we did say this one when we came out, no action taken. Any other visitors? Reading and approval of records and orders. June 12th, June 19th, and June 24th. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What was the June 24th? The school one? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Special select board meeting. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** June 24th. June 24th. June 24th. And then we went over there? It's not on here, right? No, I forgot the June 24th. That was the one that Dave saw there. Okay. Yeah. Motion to approve all three. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Second. Second? **Speaker 12:** Yeah, I think I was here. Yeah, four. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Looks like everybody was here on all three. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yep. June 12th. **Speaker 13:** Yep. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you. **Speaker 13:** Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. **Speaker 10:** Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. **Speaker 5:** Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. **Speaker 5:** How'd you make out with the man door? Um, I got something to do with . Okay. **Speaker 5:** So that's . But it didn't happen, but they haven't done anything really heavy or something. An alternative project for the East Road call work replacement. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Is that the grant, the East Road grant? Yeah. Yeah, okay. **Speaker 5:** So I talked to the AOT about that. He said it would be cool once I came up with the project, but we could sign it. We're not going to lose the grant. **Speaker 9:** . **Speaker 5:** So we're not going to lose the grant. As long as it complies with what they want. So we can sign that. They can sign that and send it back. . I don't believe. I talked with the contractor. I'm trying to get an estimate on what would be an aluminum box, collar, and headwalls. And I believe that's still going to be more of what the grant's for. So we're still going to have to probably go to the March meeting and ask for money. So it's not. And the grant's good until 2027. I mean, it's really pretty typical. We get these grants. We don't have enough money. So we have to go and ask anyway. So we're not behind them. We've just got the grants. But like I said, I am working to try to get an economical project. This initially stated concrete box. Corey and I worked on that. And we were trying to get a mitigation grant originally to probably fund the concrete box. So we used the same paperwork and the construction grant. And ended up getting a construction grant after we did get the grant. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So you don't know how much we might have to ask at town meeting? **Speaker 5:** Not yet. Okay. I should be getting an estimate. Okay. That seems to be what will comply with what the state wants. So they're in charge of what actually has to go there. Either way, it's not a project. We're going to be able to do 100% ourselves. We may be able to include ourselves. I'm not really sure how I feel about the last time that we did that. We worked on the Lincoln Road project. It took a lot of our summer. So a lot of it we're going to see on the 12th of July. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** How much did we get when we matched that grant on Lincoln Road? Was it worth it? I know we lost time. **Speaker 14:** Well, I can tell you that right now that concrete box is almost $600,000. **Speaker 5:** And I think we got that bridge in for $500,000. So the bridge up on Wanda is going to be million. So, yeah, I think, personally, I think it was worth it. But, you know, it's a higher selling residence. They have to deal with bones longer. And, you know, sometimes some of the addition that should be done doesn't get done. Maybe some of them all didn't. It's a juggling game. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You guys are thinking the same thing I'm thinking, right? Is that a couple? Right? Yeah. Is that a third? **Speaker 5:** Yeah. So, yeah, I think it was worth it. Because now all the things that did get let go are caught up and we're still probably a million and a half to add. That's all. Thank you. I mean, that's my reasoning on it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** One thing, Dave, you're always looking out for the money because you're a taxpayer here, too, that you want to do what's best for the town and do what the grant says but still kind of mold it to our town. **Speaker 5:** And that's why we do the chip ceiling. That's the same thing. It's significantly less than the cost. I know that, you know, it's not desirable for a couple of weeks. It's going to be some loose stones, a car. But after it's all swept, you don't even forget about it. Think about it. It's probably a third of the cost of the thing that we made. Instead of $225,000 on the project, we're driving back to $26,000 to $700,000 on the project. Can I ask Dave a question? Yes. What? So, are you talking about the cost of the project? Yeah. The cost of the project. Yeah. The cost of the project. Yeah. The cost of the project. Yeah. The cost of the project. Yeah. **Speaker 15:** The cost of the project. Yeah. **Speaker 16:** The cost of the project. Okay. Thank you. **Speaker 16:** Deanna is asking a question. Yes. What **Speaker 15:** Are you talking about East Road after it's been painted? **Speaker 16:** Do you want the , are you talking? It's already been... **Speaker 5:** This is año. So now the will come in August. **Speaker 17:** They told me around August. **Speaker 16:** How much was that? I'm curious. **Speaker 5:** 10 meters 10 meters i mean we could get longer but we go 10 because there's a kind of a formula where you start it starts to cost you that much more and it gives you a lot of shade and you have to spend more like the dirt yeah so yeah i think it's a great way i mean **Speaker 5:** i believe anyway that our roads are in a lot better shape as a hole than anybody around you know i agree you know not everybody applies the same technique but i think you're going to see that this kind of goes on i think clark's burger is actually kind of on **Speaker 5:** they're going to start doing some of it it's kind of like our sand you know i started using **Speaker 18:** it before you know it and see the clark's burger or that you know let's see we ever **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** we ever gonna circle back around to the black topping issue i mean especially jepson road it's black top dirt black top it just makes sense to touch them **Speaker 5:** together it's kind of a hard sell i think initially that sticker shock of it but you know i believe **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** well we got a quote i was told in clark's where it was a million dollars a mile you got a quote for up and county road all the way to what doug's house or something for four hundred thousand dollars less it was what six hundred six hundred dollars i mean that's a lot more than a mile it seems like it's pretty tough yeah tougher road than what clark's were just did carter's road was pretty easy they maybe they had more because they had to dig up the old black top you sell that yeah that falls **Speaker 5:** all into why we maintain them and we don't let it get too bad yeah because once you start milling and you know and also the chip seal is a thin layer you know you can do a bunch of thin layers before you before the rope fills up too much right right **Speaker 5:** right in the northeast and there's no panels there is no perfect solution anyway i mean look they spent all this money milling the main road a few years ago drive up through the winter there's a bunch of frost eaves and bumps or cracks and how much did that cost you know so you couldn't probably get away with the chip seal on the main road you know the heavy truck traffic so they're kind of forced into it yeah but i think for our small town roads it's perfect right like i said there's two getting ahead and the skills that you have to have to maintain a dirt road and the hour like the operator hours you know you're digging up ditches more and gravel you know depends on the weather you know **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** when you're sanding in the winter time i know you told me before when you sand there's a difference between sanding and gravel and you know dirt roll versus road so when you sand gepscom road What, do you shut the truck off, go up, do the other side, then you come back with a different truck? **Speaker 5:** It gets interesting. So typically on the paved road is treated first with some salt, right? I'll walk pre-treat kind of before the storm. So then when I'm going around again, I'm carrying some sand, and I get plowed the first time because the salt's already in the center and I've got to stay close again, right? So then I'll deal with the gravel section. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. **Speaker 5:** So it's a little bit of a job, but we make it work. It would be a lot more efficient if they were all paved. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, I was talking to the fire chief the other day, and we talked about the new fire truck. And the praise that he gave this board was amazing of the acting on the, you know, the swiftness of buying that fire truck and acting quickly versus, yeah, let's talk about it, talk about it, talk about it. But that truck now is well over $100,000 more than what it was when we pulled the trucker on it. And we're talking $100,000 like that. This is the same scenario. Two years from now, that blacktop's going to cost, that one we're talking about there, it will be a million dollars. Whatever this one I put on Jepson Road is going to be more. We know it's going to be more. We should at least put this in our warrant articles and say let's start putting money away, you know, when we're going to be able to get it out. You know, I don't know what we did with a fire fireman. We put like $50,000 a year away for three, two, three years. At least try something, you know, shoot for a goal instead of talking about this. It makes sense to me. **Speaker 14:** I mean, you could take out a loan. **Speaker 5:** I mean, just think about this. An employee is $100,000 a year, right? You've got $600,000 that can be paid off in six years. Yeah. In six years, and it's going to last longer than that, right? And then you're not being able to come up, you're not throwing all that money into the road. For, you know, as time goes on, and there's no gravel pits in the area, and you've got to haul that stuff in. It's convenient right now. It's fairly convenient to grab the road. Because I can make a phone call and have material all the time, right? For the most part. That's not going to be, that's not long-term. In our lifetime, I'm guessing. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, I really suggest that the board, you know, pushes this. And at least, you know, puts out a warning article to throw some money into an account. You know, I'd like to do it sooner to better. Just like I think we'll do. **Speaker 19:** Consider that in March, you give two choices. **Speaker 20:** Yeah. **Speaker 19:** We'll either take a loan and do that section of Jefferson Road now. Right. Or start putting money away to do it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. In a minute, you put the money away. I think that's almost spinning your wheels, too. But it's at least a, you'd have to be a doctor. **Speaker 13:** I'm not sure where everyone's at. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What's that? **Speaker 13:** Gauge and temperature, where everyone's at. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Sure, yeah. It's not our money. I understand that. But you say it's a tough sell, but you sold me, and I don't like to spend money either. And I think that most people that have a head on their shoulders will look at it and say, in the long run, this is better. **Speaker 13:** It's got people that see the long run. **Speaker 21:** That seems to be lacking more and more often. **Speaker 22:** Laurie has a question. Jefferson Road is a Class II road, so there are Class II grades available. Correct. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Nice. Now, what about County Road? Is that Class II? **Speaker 23:** That's three. **Speaker 16:** What about Mill? It's Bill's Road. That's Class II? That's three. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's three all the way up, the whole thing? **Speaker 16:** That's two. Okay. I think the lane will, too. One of the factors is it connects. It's a connector road, so it connects to Max and Vermont. **Speaker 5:** How easy would Class II be? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What about if it's connected? **Speaker 22:** I mean, if you want to factor in Kwan, though. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No. That's what I was thinking, yeah. We could play the game. **Speaker 5:** I thought about that. Yeah, but there's other factors in the plan that it doesn't mean that it's going to go up. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. But we could look into that. **Speaker 5:** So next year, actually, is our year to do another Chipsy on the project that's on the motor roads. So I was hoping to try to add some in, like get estimates for Mill Road, County Road, Jefferson Road. **Speaker 5:** Sure, that would be nice. Those are our high maintenance roads. You know, we're typically, you know, there's a lot more traffic, washboards, we can keep going back. Mm-hmm. You know, we'd have to keep these roads. Mm-hmm. You know, it's... Um, we typically spend around $200,000. I think last time we spent like $200,000 or something like that on the next project. But seeing as East Road got done this year from the grant, we're in good shape. **Speaker 7:** Right. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And you go every five years when you do a Chipsy? It's not, I know it last time, but you do five rotations. **Speaker 5:** Five, yes. So we do roughly half and half. Yeah. So was the grant two and a quarter, or was that our contribution? **Speaker 16:** Was it a $500,000 project? **Speaker 5:** No, it was a, the job itself cost two and a quarter. I believe the grant was for $160,000. We had ARPA funds for some of it. $30,000. We were going to use ARPA funds for the remainder, but we couldn't do that. Right. So... **Speaker 24:** We do have some. **Speaker 5:** We did use $30,000 for other things, but we didn't use the money for a lot of other things. Gotcha. Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So we do have some. We're selling it. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Do you have this grant paperwork that we need to sign tonight? **Speaker 10:** That's on our agenda, right? Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh, is it down there? No. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't know if you guys want to, while we're still on roads, in the executive session we did mention that we posted a... I hope it's okay to talk about the third person. We posted a job offer for a third worker, and we didn't post a wage, and I don't know if the board came up with a definite, but I think it's okay to say that it's not going to be minimum wage. I mean, I personally think we should, right in front of the people, say it's going to be around a $25 an hour starting pay. Depends on qualifications. And I think that, you know, it can be even more than that with a CDL license and so on, so it's negotiable. And we're not, you know, Dave brought it to our attention, we're not getting anybody that wants to follow a road for $15, $18 an hour. So, you know, I think that this board was in agreement that $25 is, you know, a good starting number. So if people know anyone out there that, you know, have any qualifications or want to start getting into this, it's something to... It's kind of like the listers, you know, put it out there, you know, word of mouth's good. Try to get people into it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Make a motion to sign the grant agreement. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Is this me or her? Just her? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Just me? **Speaker 25:** Okay. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Can somebody second this? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Second. **Speaker 22:** While you're talking about job positions, there's an assistant town park and treasurer to go to. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Dave, I just wanted to say thanks for jumping on the pre-buy for the gas for the garage. Who knows what it's going to be? It's a job. It's a fun game. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And I also, while we're talking about job, I would like to thank Casey for the job that she did. Oh, yeah. And, you know, it wasn't bad. Nothing was bad. It was good terms and everything, but, you know, send her a letter and thank her. Thank you. And the board, thank you. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Anything else, Dave? I just want to thank you for filling in at the recycling center yesterday. What's that? **Speaker 5:** It was a hot one. **Speaker 25:** It was a hot one. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What are we going to do about that down the road, guys? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We've got that out, too, that we need somebody to fill in. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Because we had Carol's husband, I should bring him to the doctor's, so, I mean, that's kind of... **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** He probably won't be able to fill in for a while. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, so we should... I know it's not a lot of pay at all, but, you know, it should be something we start getting out there, too, is that everybody gets old. Yeah. It's hard to say. You know, we've got to fill in. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Buzz is very hard to move around, and he's not a youngster anymore. **Speaker 26:** Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So, if someone that goes to recycling all the time that would like to work at the recycling center, it's... **Speaker 5:** Job offers all around. **Speaker 12:** Yeah, yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You can take all of them in one shot. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Thank you. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Do all the jobs in one shot. Stagger your hours. **Speaker 13:** We're all free. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Anything else, Dave? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're reaching. What was that? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You saw your honey up there? Okay. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Recycling. Anybody want to be the town rep at the Bennington County Solid Waste Alliance? You meet four times a year. No. It's on Zoom. Didn't you try that? I tried that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Third round. Third round. It's easy. I find it lovely. It's fast. I do, but I'm just thinking ahead of time. You want to send a motion that you can do it? It's like... **Speaker 19:** We'll have to share. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'm very willing to share because after a couple years, I'm not going to be doing this anymore. Okay. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I hope you shut the lights off. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes. **Speaker 5:** All right. The recycling agency was the wood chips. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh, yes. Wood chips. **Speaker 27:** Yes. **Speaker 5:** So, because Sal is still offering wood chips because we were told something different on the phone. **Speaker 24:** Right. **Speaker 5:** Right. So, we talked to the operations manager and he still offered wood chips. It's just they used to include it in the price before and then I was an extra. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So, will our price go down? **Speaker 5:** So, our price is going to walk on that, but it's on a small basis for wood chips. So, they brought us six bales of wood chips the other day. And if you want to do something different, I don't know how much they are yet. We'll get the bill for it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, let's see what the bill says. It says the convenience of just calling us will save you from getting them or Carol running down to the store to pick them up. **Speaker 5:** And it's their wood chips. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So, if something, if we don't buy the right ones or, yeah. **Speaker 5:** Yeah, I'm sure they're not. We're including them just now. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I just bought a wood chip. Are you on it? Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's the right kind of wood chip. I didn't buy it. I had to cut wood out. **Speaker 14:** There still is a sawmill in town. **Speaker 5:** Yeah. But then somebody's got to go get them. That's right. And that's time and another call. Those are all built time. **Speaker 9:** There's a few, what's that, Alfarber? Yeah. He may be looking for a place to dump chips. Maybe you can ask him. He's got a couple of places. I know I said that. I've had them dropped. Several loads. I've had them dropped at my place. **Speaker 5:** Wood chips that we, that they're using, I think, are a senior. And the track keeps on the smell. Yes. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's what I was wondering. **Speaker 5:** They were out of, part of the special. It's just like if you get wood chips for the schoolyard, you can't use regular wood chips. They have to be a special wood chip. So, let's see. And they come in bales? Versus regular wood chips. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Versus regular wood chips. They come in bales? Versus regular wood chips. Versus regular wood chips. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. **Speaker 16:** Yeah. **Speaker 19:** Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. Yeah. This is the, this is the blacktop that we've been playing with. **Speaker 12:** Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let's watch the bill when it comes, and then we can think about that. Anything else on recycling? Highlights. **Speaker 5:** Yeah. I think we're operating pretty efficiently out there. You know, sometimes, there's some complaints about the recycling container, but working it, I was able to get, you know, all Saturdays was in there, and there's still loads, but I like it here. Maybe next time. Yeah. and it does take some effort to push around. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, last Wednesday, the Wednesday after the 4th. Yeah, I think that's when. They didn't come that week, 4th of July week, they were off schedule and the recycling dumpster was full. But the other thing is people have got to break down their cardboard. They're throwing cardboard in **Speaker 27:** cardboard boxes. You've got to break it down. They don't always bring **Speaker 5:** there's three different sizes it seems that they bring. And there's the size that it's supposed to be. There's a size that's about 5 yards or maybe smaller that they bring every now and then. There's a big one that's great, but you can't reach it. **Speaker 5:** And if we had, the big one we're probably going to have to pay more for. And I don't know if we're kind of, I don't think it's worth it. It just won't get bigger. We're going to have to remanifold. Is there a sign up there with rules on it or anything? Some of the containers there are and some there aren't. Yeah. It would be good to put a little sign up there that says, you know. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** There is a sign up there. **Speaker 5:** Some of the containers there are and some there aren't. It would be good to put a little sign up there that says, you know. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** These are the things you need to do. **Speaker 22:** I think, are there any recycling rules? **Speaker 9:** Is there a way to implement them on the back of the punch card? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Shed door recycling rules that everybody that buys a punch card has the recycling rules. **Speaker 28:** They probably don't read them anymore. **Speaker 9:** Yeah, but what's the back, I don't go to the recycling, so I don't know what the card is. Maybe you could put little rules on the back of the card. Not like they probably read it. **Speaker 5:** Yeah, not a lot. You could break them down before you get there, too. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, I go to North Adams with my dump trailer and I have all these rules for this thing, rules for that. They tell you, you can't dump leaves here, you gotta dump the leaves over here. **Speaker 5:** I did hear a bus trying to tell some people to break their boxes down. Yeah. I'm trying to enforce it, but we're trying to adopt a new policy in a town in Texas where their volunteer fire department practiced a certain way. **Speaker 1:** At the dump? At the dump. So the fire has to expire. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So the town of Reesboro just told our church up there they can't burn houses anymore. No more practice. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what they told us. You know how some of the boats used to donate and burn? They did that. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Where would they burn it? **Speaker 12:** Where the boat takes it? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No, no, no. We just had it torn down. We asked the fire department first before that. They wanted to burn it and then demo it after that. Because they charge it by weight. All the money is in the weight. It's like $4,000 a dumpster. You know, demo. **Speaker 19:** You get it to demo, you start it from the fire department's end. That means all the potential asbestos shingles are gone. All the asphalt. Yeah, we had to do the same thing. **Speaker 12:** PVC. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't think the asphalt was gone, but we had to get rid of the asbestos first. Any asbestos has to be gone before. Who was doing it? The Isler brothers? Yeah, so they're the ones doing the demo, but any hazardous material has to get out first. **Speaker 20:** It's not a simple... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's not like the old days where we just **Speaker 29:** lit it on fire. **Speaker 19:** That's why we don't get involved in it anymore. Yeah, right. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's it, Dave. Emergency management. Bob. He's got a plan for us. **Speaker 26:** Well, I put last year's local emergency plan and just added the new DOC on that we put on. **Speaker 30:** The what? **Speaker 26:** The emergency operations coordinator. We added Stephanie Schalberg onto the group. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh, okay. **Speaker 26:** I changed the website that I had on last year. Okay. But I'm struggling to get the information from the school as far as proper contact information for setting up the you know, we're not going to set up something for Bob. So it's not really, there's not a change on that. Is that the one I sent you, Lori? **Speaker 26:** Yep. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** On the school end, who was the contact before, the principal or the... Randy. Randy was the principal. **Speaker 26:** That was your contact. Oh. **Speaker 31:** I don't know if he's still here. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No, he's not. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, and Erica Bailey isn't on there anymore. There's a new principal, but I would assume the principal would have to take that duty on if they become principal. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So we can't sign this tonight? **Speaker 9:** Since what, Randy? I'm just a little concerned about this map in here and it says all black. I can't really read it. . . . **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What is it a map of? **Speaker 28:** Well, our zoning map. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's a zoning map. Why did you put a zoning? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It looks like it was scanned in. Yeah. . It's like the nature of it is. **Speaker 26:** . Oh, yeah, that looks better, yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's fine. **Speaker 26:** Visually, when we sent it to the school, it was the same. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. So it's okay to send this in even with the wrong contact information? **Speaker 26:** . . **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. **Speaker 26:** . **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Who's the school board chair? Cindy. **Speaker 26:** . Yeah. . . . **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** . . . . . **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** . . **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** . **Speaker 26:** . **Michael G. 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Bushika (Chair):** . . **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** . . . **Speaker 12:** . **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** . . . . **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** . . . . **Speaker 30:** . **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** . . **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** . . . **Speaker 9:** . . . . . . . **Speaker 35:** . **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** . . . . . . . **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** . **Speaker 5:** She's got her e-mail. **Speaker 9:** Julie.Slanson at WSWSU 49.org. There we go. Cindy, Julie, **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Tim, we don't know. **Speaker 9:** Well, I haven't gotten any e-mails since school's out, so I don't know. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Couldn't tell you. Anything else, Bob? No. Good? Okay. Thank you. Under discussion, 911 house numbers. Bill, I see you gave this to the board. I gave **Speaker 19:** a copy to Walton. You should have a copy. Yes. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes. We do have it in our ordinance that we can find them with tickets, but it's just a minimum amount, so if we change that amount, we're going to have to publish the ordinance like we do for a couple hundred dollars to change the amount. **Speaker 19:** State statute that says you can levy a fine. Yes. And research says this is what happens throughout the state in various places. Yep. And you know, some of these are kind of wild. Yep. For the amount that they're talking about and who that is going to enforce it and how you're going to collect it. Yep. But we should be able to get something reasonable I don't know what the number you have on the ordinance. It's minimal. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Minimal when it was first established. And it's the civil fine like the state is talking about, but at the time that this went in, probably **Speaker 19:** You and I did it with probably about $25 or something like that. And not even. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** $10 civil penalty. And then penalty for second offense within six months would be $15. And then we set the waiver fee. So we've got it all like the state said that how we do the civil **Speaker 36:** funds. So then all you have to do is change. **Speaker 37:** Well we've got to change the ordinance first. Adding that to this **Speaker 9:** other thing that Lori's going to send out. The reminders. **Speaker 37:** Maybe add that to the reminders. I think it's, did she put it right on **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** top of the reminder? I think she did. Well, how about you figure out what you're going to charge. Could we do, number seven. Number seven's in there. Could we do this first that do you have a list of everybody that doesn't have their 911 numbers? Would it be better to send them a letter or call them have a personal call or, because like Lori said you get more people with honey than you do with vinegar. **Speaker 19:** Because. You know it goes back maybe five years since the last time we went out and surveyed the listing numbers. Right. And we printed up a form letter and we mailed it to all of those people and we went back the following year **Speaker 20:** and. We went up, when I went with you **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** up to Whiskey Ranch, that was before COVID. You did part of it. I did part of it with me. **Speaker 19:** The governor and I did most of it and went off elder scale to all over the place. That was a long time, yeah. And mostly from the 911 list. But there is no immediate, you know I certainly wouldn't take it from a list like that that's five years old. We've got new houses, we have a few people that maybe put up signs. Remarkably in the last few weeks we've had a few people who have asked for signs. Maybe they're reading the minutes. But it's going to take an effort it's going to take a couple of days to cover all the moods and houses in town. And record those that either don't have any sign at all or don't happen in any place where you can reasonably read it at night. If you're with a fire truck or an ambulance. The state specifies that there's a reflective letter on the contrasting background. That's why we have the signs that the fire department picked up to meet those statute requirements. We've got to decide that you're going to charge people money to do it. Because if you don't pick teeth in it **Speaker 38:** they're going to ignore it the same way they did before. **Speaker 13:** Do you remember Bill, how many houses roughly, percentage-wise, didn't have the signs five years ago? **Speaker 39:** I'd say 125. Why not just make them and send them **Speaker 9:** that out? I'm sorry? Why not just make a bunch of signs, go put them up and then send them a bill for $16? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And their charge too. **Speaker 19:** Before we issued any of those numbers from the fire department, we considered and presented and discussed it with the select board at the time of having six by six posts with numbers either attached or engraved into them in front of every driveway. And the post holder here and it might take it six or eight months for the town to be installed and do it. I know nobody wanted **Speaker 40:** to make it look like a city. But if I recall, like my address **Speaker 9:** used to be 611A Main Road. And then the state, or somebody revamped all the addresses in town so the coordinator was off the state line. So my address now is 4957, so I'm 4.9 miles off of the state. From the state **Speaker 19:** line? From the state line. Correct. The number you might have had before then was a post office number. It was an RFB number. Which was not related in any way to be able to find anybody. And that was before the federal government. And then the state government came out with standards and said, this is how you will number, and this is how you will sign it. Yes, Nancy and I probably started with this 20 years ago. **Speaker 41:** Well more, yeah, more than now. **Speaker 42:** It's all somewhere in the documentation of when we started. I don't know how it works **Speaker 9:** out. I mean, I understand what you're saying, Bill. Like, when you're out at night looking for 911, you want to be able to find the number and get there. I don't know how you would implement it, though. Like, where would the money go if you were going to find it? Does it go to the police station? Does it go to the town? **Speaker 19:** It goes to the town. It goes to the town and it subsidizes putting up numbers where people have refused to. Yep. Or something like that. **Speaker 9:** I don't know the problem with the money, yeah. **Speaker 19:** The problem isn't getting, isn't what to do with the money. The problem is to get people to **Speaker 9:** Yeah, in order, that's what I mean. Just do it in central bills. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Uh, how long do you owe the 60 days to change the ordinance, plus we've got to do the legal add in the paper. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's money. That's money. So let's bump it up enough to pay for it if someone The thing is, let's not kick it down the road again, let's say You don't put up a sign, you get a fine. You know, a house is burning. Change a number. **Speaker 29:** And we can see it. Let's do it. **Speaker 19:** And we can see it burn even better. Yeah. When somebody is having a heart attack, and you can't find them, Right. and you get them there 10 minutes later, or 15 minutes later, and they're dead, how much is the $200 advertising worth? **Speaker 43:** Yeah, exactly. **Speaker 4:** Why don't they put them up now? I have a proposition. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Why don't people put them up now if they cared about their loved ones? Why are we holding their hand? That's me. Never mind. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You don't want to hold their hand. You want to charge them money. Right. That's exactly what you call them. So then, the ambulance doesn't waste their time driving around because there might be another call. Or the fire department. There might be another call. And they're looking for me because I don't have a number. And now his wife just called on him. And he goes, oh, I, you know, I mean, they could be doing both efficiently. **Speaker 19:** So we have kicked this down the road for years. Yeah. And it needs, it really needs to stop. **Speaker 44:** I will yield to Bill any day, but C.J. was here a couple of times, **Speaker 3:** and he wanted, I'm not going to talk for C.J., but I'm going to talk based on what he was saying. **Speaker 5:** This emergency thing that we're referring to with the signs and stuff is a really serious thing. That's coming from him. Right. And I agree with it 100%. **Speaker 45:** I would be willing to purchase the signs, rivet them to a metal pipe, **Speaker 3:** and drive it into the ground for anybody who's willing to pay me an hour's wage to do it. And the cost of the material. Right. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Pretty expensive. **Speaker 5:** Fifteen bucks at least, right? Yeah, at least. **Speaker 19:** About $30 for a gas. **Speaker 5:** What does a fence post cost? What's that? **Speaker 1:** A post? I have a huge deal of scrap. **Speaker 5:** Good stuff. My 100 foot long greenhouse got demolished. So I could buy all new piping. But I have, like, cut up all these straight pipes in there. **Speaker 3:** Hey. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Just use like a t-bar. It's a lot more than $16 for the deal sign. That's for damn sure. And like you said, a heart attack, or a kid choking, or a fire, it's worth, I mean this is, this discussion really, everybody in this room, I guarantee, is in agreement with it. It's the people that aren't here that might say, well, I don't care. Well, you will care someday. But, you know, maybe they're not, they're not going to pay the fine either. It's $16. It's kind of like the dog thing. You know, what's it, $11? **Speaker 19:** And then we send them a $100 fine. For the time being, I propose that you put an article in next, select board meeting. And then you're going to send the fine for not having a street number sign. That will get people to respond. Then it will give you the first half to take actual action on it. How do we know if they're going, **Speaker 41:** how do we know if people comply **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** that just happen to go around and see a house without a number? No, you will have to drive around **Speaker 41:** through the town again **Speaker 19:** and survey the town. **Speaker 46:** Well, yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Do you and John want to do it again? Or... **Speaker 3:** How long does it take for them to be made? To be made? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** About 10 minutes. And it doesn't have to be from them. **Speaker 22:** Right. You can have your own. **Speaker 19:** Right. It's hard for you to go out and buy the material cheaper than the $16 that the fire department is paying for. Either way, if you want to do it that way, do it. Do you want one, John? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're not in the... I want one in green. So I would definitely put it on... If we have to put it on the agenda, I mean, it's $10 an hour, **Speaker 12:** I'd go at least $25. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Fine of $10 for each day **Speaker 25:** of noncompliance. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, each day? Well, I thought it was at one time. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's steep now. A civil penalty of 10 may be imposed for the initial violation. The penalty for the second offense within six months shall be 15 and subsequent offenses within the six-month period shall be 20. **Speaker 10:** I was going to say that again. You said it was 10 each day? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** A fine of $10 for each day of noncompliance. You don't go up for tax sales. I was going to say, that's a lot. ... against the property owner. **Speaker 25:** I thought there was a... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think it should be a set fine. **Speaker 12:** I don't think it should be every day. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And then we go 60 days or whatever **Speaker 19:** and then you get a fine. Put it on the agenda as to the fact that you're going to rephrase, repace... Replace the ordinance **Speaker 9:** for the penalties. Bill, can I give you $16 and have you make one for me? He's getting nervous already. **Speaker 19:** We have the form here. Laurie will take the $16 and I'll have it by the next meeting for you. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Alright, I need one too. Me too. But I don't need one for my house. I need one for the new property. **Speaker 19:** Whatever you need, whether you want it here in Stamford or it'll get it done. **Speaker 5:** The forms are here. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Half the time. Okay. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So put it on the agenda. Oh, the emergency management coordinator, she'll have the authority to enter the premises not in compliance. Oh, I guess that's Bob. Emergency management **Speaker 2:** coordinator. **Speaker 13:** You got another job. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So you want me to check the number? Enter the premises of any house or building not in compliance and install a registration sign or numbering post and charge the property owner all reasonable costs and expenses **Speaker 28:** associated therewith. **Speaker 9:** You can fine them all you want. It's a lot. **Speaker 35:** Well, really, all you're doing **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** is bringing back the information to the flat board. You could say, hey, can people help me out? You're saving people's lives. **Speaker 47:** We could use that part of it. **Speaker 48:** Criminal court? 911. $60. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think, yeah. Was that low? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Let's quiet. Can we quiet? What did you ask? 911 has a state mandate. **Speaker 41:** Yes. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** At first, at first, we started out, everybody with electricity or a phone number. But now with cell phones, **Speaker 19:** it includes camps and roads. So you got one. For your answer, the entrance to the road that you use to the camp is where it needs to be posted. **Speaker 46:** How would you just **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** push back to the road? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** How did they get there? Well, they'll have to explain that **Speaker 49:** when they call in. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's not a perfect system. It's not a perfect system, but, yeah. **Speaker 19:** Don't call. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Every year, Laurie gets a map that says, this building does not have **Speaker 41:** a 911 number. **Speaker 29:** The state knows. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's like, you know, Rondo's got a camera way up in the woods. Where they ended their road, they could put one there. But it's not perfect. When you drive around, nobody would probably catch that. It really doesn't have a road. **Speaker 5:** The road kind of ends **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** and it goes right away. **Speaker 12:** They probably don't have **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** a 911 address. No, I doubt it. They probably don't have a map saying, there's a building here. Where's the 911 number? **Speaker 19:** So what do you have to do? Either we go out and measure it, or if it's all wild in the woods, we call the guy with their magic electronics to come down from Bennington, and somebody goes out the road with him, and he says, there's the number. I've traveled with him a few times to find obscure things. I think there's something down there. So he finds additional houses. Sometimes you give it to Sally, **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** and she doesn't know where it is. Like with yours, you would probably have to put it at the end of the road. When you call, explain, when you come up my road, **Speaker 14:** the first left. **Speaker 5:** There is none. In reality, there used to be a name. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't know if you'd still call it that. **Speaker 25:** Would you say it's a long driveway **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** off of Lincoln Road? I'd put it at the end of Lincoln Road, and when you're coming up, you take this left, **Speaker 14:** and give it a high attention. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, a lot of GPS. **Speaker 20:** Some of it has to be **Speaker 19:** some common sense decisions as to where it should be, and where to call it, a driveway, **Speaker 20:** where to call it as part of the road. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's like a hiker getting caught. **Speaker 14:** He's got a phone in his hand. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They found me in the middle of the Connecticut River the other day. They can do anything. We've been here. **Speaker 29:** We're outside. **Speaker 19:** Warn people that next meeting you're going to set, reset the ordinance. That's all you have to say. You don't have to say an amount. Just that you're going to **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** reset the ordinance. To increase higher fines for 911 numbers for not in compliance. It is. It is. **Speaker 5:** Bill, I need a 911. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The first one I got from my camp was wrong. I had to get an office. **Speaker 19:** I warned Bonnie. Last Monday night, Bonnie went through and counted all of her white numbers to make sure. She's got a half a case of the green backgrounds. She said this is something for the people. Fill out a form with Lori. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Be happy to get it done. Okay. In your boxes, Lori gave us the second quarter financials. Look them over and ask Lori any questions. See where we are by next meeting. We'll discuss that. Review revised code of ethics investigation and enforcement ordinance. We're all set last time to approve this, but then there was some question about the page 2, 4C. The select board will designate a person or two or more people to gather the facts. **Speaker 50:** Can I speak here a minute? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes. **Speaker 9:** Go ahead. Originally there was confusion. We wanted to have one person. We were investigating. Then others chimed in. We were thinking it was going to be two or three. I was in sway of having two or three people. I started thinking about it afterwards. I really didn't want two or three people harassing somebody trying to get all the information. Then I was like maybe one person would have been realistically better to do so. I think the one person is probably the better solution for that. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I agree with you too because we had one in the beginning. I felt that if you have three people interviewing you as we just recently heard that you kind of feel overwhelmed or ganged upon maybe **Speaker 10:** or intimidated. It is. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** If it is one on one and we are still going to interview the people. There is going to be five of us interviewing the students. This is kind of new **Speaker 10:** what we are doing. Let's try it. See how it goes. Again, we talked about this for three meetings in a row. **Speaker 51:** My feeling **Speaker 48:** is too many foots spoil the broth. We make it needlessly complicated. We are not trying to find out what happened to D.B. Cooper. We are not trying to find out if there was a second gunman in Dallas. There was. Somebody comes up. **Speaker 10:** No. **Speaker 47:** I wasn't even a parcel of my daddy's bag. **Speaker 48:** But anyway and I wish I had never used the word investigation. This should be more of a fact finding. Very simple. It said who, what, when, where. And now I am going to throw out just another idea for consideration. Cut out the middle man or the middle woman completely. When a person makes a complaint they have to fill out a form and bring it send it up to us. What would prevent us from interviewing that person ourselves. At least a quorum. We didn't have to have everybody here. Have the person who has been accused of doing something wrong. We want to hear what people have meant. And then we can sit among ourselves and say okay I would like a little more information here. A little more information **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** there. And then send out. And then we send out for somebody to do it. That's what I wanted to do when the state came in. I said why can't we get this in the butt ourselves. I agree. This is something that shouldn't go on forever because it should be if we are going to implement this and there is an issue it should be speedy. It shouldn't be lengthy. It shouldn't be after the fact. Because if there is an ethics violation it should be taken care of right away. Either way. Because it could ruin someone's reputation on one end and it also could be continuing. It could happen more often if they are doing it on a board or something where they say hey this person went down and they did this and now we wait and they did it again to someone else. Or multiple to the same person. **Speaker 48:** And I'd like to think the best of people but there is a potential that this could be weaponized. You know I don't like **Speaker 52:** so and so. They are a problem. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Sure can. **Speaker 48:** That's not what it's intended for. **Speaker 49:** Lisa? I was just wondering if there could be a difference from right now where I don't feel like complaints are really being addressed from my own personal experience. Complaints weren't addressed by the board so how is it going to be done? Really? No one ever talked to me about this. **Speaker 48:** Well this we are trying to settle that now and this will give you the option to come in and sit. **Speaker 53:** I thought **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** well I agree with you on that situation I thought that it was the party involved was did what you intended or what you would like **Speaker 53:** to have happen. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We'll see yeah exactly. Okay. Because that's what I thought it was. Right. **Speaker 49:** I requested though to come speak to the board. **Speaker 54:** Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. After talking to the other party I thought it was ended **Speaker 55:** or I definitely would have asked you **Speaker 49:** and I personally would have. Okay. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Do you still want to? I'll see what happens. Okay. This is a little different because it's a formal complaint **Speaker 9:** and nothing happens unless they receive a complaint. There was actually a lot going on with that. We've got more than one email. Yeah. **Speaker 22:** What's the difference between the letter? Once this is finalized it has an actual complaint form. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** A form. We don't have it now. So that's why we need to put this into place soon. Get it done. **Speaker 35:** Then it won't be as **Speaker 9:** So I would like to make a motion to sign it not as this is written as it was originally written with the one person doing the investment. Okay. **Speaker 48:** What about having that come directly to the board? I like that. People talk about it? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think the board should have the discretion to share to people right away. You might have one person come in and say all I want this guy to do is come and say hey, sorry for calling me a jerk. And we go hey, would you say sorry to Lisa? Yeah, no problem. That's nice. It couldn't be that easy. Now there could be times where it's some bad, bad thing where we gotta say hey, you need to step down and it may be further it may be even worse that we instead of asking them to step down or we might have to remove a person. Right. And it might be legal **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** or we might have to do legal action. **Speaker 12:** So we should just take out on **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** call the police or something. On number C just take out anything until on completion of a written statement of facts **Speaker 56:** oh no. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If needed, if we need to send out a person from the ethics board or committee whatever you want to call it **Speaker 52:** We've got to worry. **Speaker 48:** Worry about somebody from the board themselves. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. Unless there's some kind of question. Because eventually it's going to be our decision. That's right. It's better to sometimes it's so simple and I agree with you. We oversimplify the stuff that it just never gets done. And she's right. If it's not getting done now and we keep making it hard it's not going to get done tomorrow. **Speaker 25:** We need to move it on. **Speaker 57:** The select board should initially **Speaker 48:** hear **Speaker 57:** get the complaint **Speaker 48:** and interview the complainant **Speaker 58:** and be accused. **Speaker 57:** And then after that **Speaker 48:** then if we need more information then we can send something out. Right. **Speaker 57:** Even if I went to the state **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** to gather facts case by case. So that should be okay. **Speaker 10:** I agree. **Speaker 59:** I think we're good, Lori. **Speaker 22:** So do you want me to work this up send it to you guys so you can see it ahead of time and just plan to adopt it **Speaker 59:** and sign it and then it's a meeting? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Sure. What's this going to do to your advertising? There was some problem with that. **Speaker 22:** This is the problem. A lot of times we adopt it like let's say you adopt it at this meeting with the changes and then sign it at the next meeting but I only have 14 days from the adoption to put it in the paper **Speaker 60:** which I can't do because you haven't signed it **Speaker 9:** and it all has to happen on the same day. Can we sign it now with the amendment **Speaker 48:** that was made? I don't know. Is it clear about the way it's written? They want to have it **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** on their agenda for adoption. Oh, it's got to be on the agenda for the adoption. **Speaker 22:** Do you guys want to **Speaker 56:** write it **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** send it to us? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I have a question. Can we sign it tonight post it and all that and then in the future **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** can we put an amendment in **Speaker 19:** anytime we feel like it? Oh, we have to change the ordinance. **Speaker 22:** And then we have to go through the whole process. I'll just make those changes and sign it tonight. But you want to do a motion to adopt it? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes. **Speaker 59:** But I thought you said it's got to be **Speaker 22:** Well, I mean, it is on the agenda **Speaker 59:** for your review. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Review, revised code of ethics and enforcement ordinance. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Take your time. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I hate to kick this again. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm not going to. I second your motion. I second your motion. I'm not kicking it down the road. You guys can write it up. I have no problem with one person. Move forward on it. **Speaker 55:** Move forward on it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We all know what we want. If it's not written perfect **Speaker 12:** we'll work with that. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If it's not written perfect when we do it **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** we'll implement it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm good. **Speaker 25:** I want to put this forward. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We've got a second. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh, can we second it? All in favor? Aye. Done. Start the process, Lori. Review employee policy handbook. I did not do it. Mike, we did not do it. No. **Speaker 12:** But we are going to do it. **Speaker 61:** I will. **Speaker 22:** Let's kick that one down the road. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't get to read so much. **Speaker 56:** Monday morning. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Next Monday? Monday. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think it will be here. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** She can't have her baby yet. It's Wednesday. She's not going to have a baby. Monday. 10? 11? **Speaker 5:** I don't care. I don't work. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Every one of my days is messed up. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Monday at 10. This is my fourth Monday. **Speaker 57:** This coming Monday? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** 10 o'clock? Let's see what Lori says. I'll probably forget. **Speaker 28:** Lori, we good for Monday at 10? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Anybody want to work at a machine shop? Instead of the town? How much do we say? 25? I'll start it off at 26. Do you work nights? Nights? We can. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Do you do air conditioning? **Speaker 12:** No. Do you give breaks? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Once in a while. **Speaker 25:** What's your lunch? Hours? No lunch. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Flying lunch? We have two breaks a day. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** But I have to go to the bathroom. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, that's what they seem to do. Go to the bathroom a lot. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Do you have ladies room and men's room? Yes. No handicap access? **Speaker 62:** Don't need it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** All one floor. Okay. **Speaker 5:** Oh, you need that when you're old. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Just had the insurance coming down. No violation. **Speaker 25:** Good. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Lori, do you want us to continue? **Speaker 63:** Huh? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No, we just had that too. **Speaker 12:** That's a whole different... **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I guess she wants us to continue. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, we just put a system in. It's unbelievable. Unbelievable. How efficient the system is. Huh? Overnight. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Confirmation of planning commission members. The select board received a letter from the chairman of the planning commission to ask us to confirm the full planning commission board. It appears from a previous ZBA meeting that we may have a vacancy. And we don't know that. We don't have anything in writing that there is a vacancy on the planning commission. Yes, sir. **Speaker 9:** So, do we need to reach out to that individual and ask? Yes. **Speaker 48:** Should it be us or should it be the planning commission to reach out? **Speaker 52:** We appointed them. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That meeting was on the video, so I watched it. He said that he, in my understanding, that he was stepping down from the board. All boards. **Speaker 22:** All boards? **Speaker 9:** When this is done. The chair acknowledged it. **Speaker 49:** He said that it was done. That it did get done. **Speaker 54:** He thought it was going to carry on. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. And she did say, yeah, she thanked him and she said that it was going to be a loss and so on. So, it was very, the assumption is there. Yes, we should reach out and ask. **Speaker 25:** And find out. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Could he send in something in writing? Yes. Because we usually get everything in writing. **Speaker 3:** We usually get everything in writing. Can I elaborate a little bit on that? Yeah, sure. So, you guys are aware of what's up and coming. So, the town plan is in the midst now. We're just getting ready. We should be moving on soon. And there's grants available for that. And so, we need to get the grants going on that. As well as violence. We need, I have a lengthy conversation with them. And. They read and scrutinized our bylaws and they feel like they should be rewritten. **Speaker 64:** Who's this now? **Speaker 65:** BCRC. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They're the ones that recommended it five years ago. **Speaker 66:** Jim Sullivan sat here for two years. **Speaker 67:** Yes. **Speaker 3:** We did that. Thank you. Yes. And so, it was taxing. It is. So, we need it started as soon as possible. And so. We need to have a functioning board as soon as possible. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Now, you said you have a grant for that? **Speaker 3:** There's a grant for both. A grant for both. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** For revising your bylaws? Yes. **Speaker 68:** And for the town plan. **Speaker 1:** Oh. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They're willing to help us. **Speaker 33:** So, you have to do the town plan first? **Speaker 13:** No. They want us to do it all at the same time. There's no deadline for the bylaws. There's a deadline for the town plan. Right. The town plan has to be done within the next year. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. The bylaws are ours. **Speaker 69:** They're already done. We want to do them. **Speaker 3:** The way they are now. But the town plan they're asking for. There's still some serious issues there. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Sure. We're going to end up. The bylaws because of certain zoning. I guess you would call it. Whatever you want to call it. I'm not sure what it was. I hate to bring this up guys. How is that going? Where is this? I mean I thought we said let's do it. It's done. You guys approved it last week. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I guess I don't know. They were effective July. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Go ahead. **Speaker 25:** Now they are effective now. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay. I'm curious. **Speaker 70:** I had to get a piece of cardboard and put it out there that says town hall. **Speaker 1:** No. At your last meeting I think somebody was talking about doing sign practice or something. **Speaker 9:** Oil tank. Okay. **Speaker 3:** Okay. I just wanted to make sure that we need a functioning board as soon as possible. Right. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And we do have a couple of letters of recommendation. Letters of recommendation. Letters of interest. And as soon as we get Dave's letter. **Speaker 25:** So I would like this. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We will advertise it officially like we always do. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I would like to have this information by next meeting. **Speaker 3:** Right. And what I would ask the board tonight is to please appoint these two people as alternates. **Speaker 1:** And then that way if we get a chance to have a meeting here soon we can start bringing them on board. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So at this point if there was a resignation we have one opening. Yes. Right. So if you have two now. Who is the alternate now? There will be only one. Okay. **Speaker 5:** So there will only be one position to fill at this time. Right. Possibly. We've had alternates in the past. We did. Yeah. **Speaker 3:** Yeah. **Speaker 16:** What is preventing you from moving forward? I understand. But the fact that this one thing is in limbo shouldn't stop you from moving forward in the board. You have enough people. **Speaker 25:** Right. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You got it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. And they could just sit in anyway. I agree. I agree. But I also at the beginning of this meeting I said something about the plan. I apologize. Yeah. Yeah. But we're good. We're good. Okay. Yeah. I don't like you. You know it. Just stay where you. Exactly. We got it. **Speaker 49:** We're good. But no. I mean I've watched those meetings and you're right. **Speaker 9:** We kind of just wanted an official letter though. **Speaker 49:** Yeah. I mean if you got an official letter tomorrow could you tell Peter and we could then continue on? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well you could still have your meeting. We can't have a meeting. **Speaker 16:** We cannot have a meeting until this is resolved in terms of this particular individual. Because it would become dysfunctional and acrimonious. So until this is resolved it's just a waste of time. **Speaker 9:** All right. So it's a question or however you want to word it. Pending Dave's resignation letter. The approval of the other two individuals. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Something along those lines. But we can approve those people as alternates right now. **Speaker 35:** Alternates. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So you know just waiting for a letter. Now if they're an alternate they don't have any voting power though right? **Speaker 1:** Well yeah. It's not all put together. If there was a. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh they can. They can come in for someone missing is that what you're saying? **Speaker 3:** Yes. Well if there is not a quorum. They can step in. They can step in and they will continue whatever we're discussing and voting on. **Speaker 71:** That person if that person voted on that then from that time forward. **Speaker 5:** Until the issue is resolved. Until the issue is resolved that person would sit in on it and whoever was absent would have to sit back. **Speaker 3:** Okay. So that's the way the law works. Well there we go. What I would suggest is that the first. I'm sorry. I know who was the first person that sent in for a letter of interest. It was Stephanie. We would like for her to be the first. The first alternate. And then. And then I think. Is it Kate O'Neil? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Did we advertise for this position at all? **Speaker 59:** We did not advertise for the position. **Speaker 56:** No we did not. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Because we. People knew that it might be empty. So they wanted to come on. **Speaker 1:** Yeah I know this board has always. Always nominated the first person that came. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. So we did advertise. We already got people. So we. Let me say. We didn't advertise particularly for this board. But in the past we have said. At our select board meetings. If anyone is interested in joining any board. Yes. So that. It is self advertised. I think we should move on. **Speaker 22:** So I. On July. **Speaker 22:** On June 27th. I did receive an email from Stephanie Shelburne. Wanting to be appointed to the planning commission. On June 30th. I received a letter from Angela Trudeau. Wanting to be appointed to the zoning board of adjustment. And. On July 7th. I received. An email from Carol Saldo. Wanting to serve on any board. On the next opportunity. She just would like to start getting involved. Okay. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So on the last one. I would. If there is any openings. Reach back out to her. And ask her if those openings are what she wants. And we could. That is a first person. And if there is an opening. Other than Stephanie. She actually asked for the planning board. On what was that again? CBA. So if there is an opening for that. Again that is the first person. I would have no problem. Putting both of those people as alternates. Until we find out what this. I would definitely. Out of respect for a person who has been on the board for over 20 years. I would like to wait for the letter. **Speaker 3:** Out of respect. And officially. I would like to. And I have. David was. David did for this community. In his entire life. And I have been. Very much alive. It is unfortunate how things ended. But. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I would just like to thank him for this. I am not going to talk for him. **Speaker 25:** Let's wait and see what happens. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right. And in our reminders. At the end of every. Select board meeting. We have anyone interested. Highway crew. Lister. **Speaker 12:** We have nothing. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We have three jobs. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Two board openings. **Speaker 13:** But everybody wants to be on your planning. I will make a motion to appoint. Stephanie as ultimate number one. For the planning board. Angela for ultimate number one. For the DBA. And what else. Carol for any potential openings. **Speaker 22:** For the next opening. The next opening is available. Any particular in mind. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Any next opening. **Speaker 72:** Is there an alternate. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** There you go. Starter kit. Second. **Speaker 10:** All in favor. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Aye. So these will all be alternates. From. **Speaker 22:** Is there a vacancy on conservation. Or would it be an alternate. I think there is a vacancy. Well he is actually on conservation. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh that's right. And he did resign from all of them. **Speaker 2:** Oh he is. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It could be. All three could be filled. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. And it's good that there is three different people. That they are not the same person. **Speaker 26:** That's good. **Speaker 30:** Current like that. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That we're not the same people. **Speaker 25:** When I'm done with this. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm joining the planning commission. As long as Jim is still on. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** All right. I said. Okay. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I said when I'm done with this. I'm joining the planning commission. **Speaker 12:** As long as you're still on. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I want to sit right next to you today. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Thank you. Any last questions. We have one last one. Okay. We are going to move to our audit report. Which we did. We passed it around. There is a letter of recommendation which law Erie has started to implement some of the recommendations. From the auditor. They can't all be done at once. **Speaker 22:** But one at a time. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** She is combining finances. I don't know how far you were able to get on them. But working on it. **Speaker 56:** and anything else under correspondence so Jim Sullivan has been working with **Speaker 22:** Dave for the fiscal year 26 grant for Sportsman & Roling What did I say? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Sullivan **Speaker 16:** He's gone **Speaker 22:** Jim Henderson So Jim Henderson would like you guys to sign this agreement to work with BCRC on a grant **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They're signing it, aren't they? **Speaker 5:** We're going to be doing this year's grant on Sportsman & Roling Probably going to do both this year **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah Now that's that one up at the No **Speaker 14:** That's still in limbo **Speaker 5:** That's going to be, I'm going to put in for a better back road grant **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** For up by their place? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Up by Lisa's, that's for a better back road grant This is grants in aid **Speaker 25:** We're working on it **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And where's that going? On Sportsman? **Speaker 5:** Where? 25 and 26, there's callers from **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Just think, 20 years from now you might get paid **Speaker 5:** Next year's grant **Speaker 49:** Dave, do you have a plan for that then? What's that? Do you have a plan? Is it going to cut new properties? No, we're not doing that **Speaker 5:** It's going to be It's more likely going to be in the same area as these mountains **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** When is the other grant, grants in aid is this? **Speaker 22:** Grants in aid is this one and **Speaker 59:** Better back roads **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I did mention something to Dave the other day About ditching I don't know if you want to bring it up here **Speaker 5:** The state? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, because I noticed Going up Hartwellville Mountain On Route 8100 On the right hand side The state did some ditching And oh, that looks nice But what happened to the Stone line ditches that the town has to do? The state didn't do it So you were going to ask Jim Sullivan and why Henderson **Speaker 24:** They're always changing **Speaker 5:** Because you know Usually when they come up with some idea It's somewhat unreasonable Because it's making the rule changes Instead of doing that type of work So I think That's part of it But I think So if it's already been stone lined You can just clean the ditch To the stone You don't Initially they wanted you to dig it out But I think enough people complained And enough people said No, that's nonsense We're not doing it anyway We're just going to take it to the stone So they changed the rule I don't think there's any stone in there I don't think there's any stone in there I don't think there's any stone in there **Speaker 24:** You notice that too **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The grass is growing nice now **Speaker 5:** The grass likes it Yes In certain places the stone is good In other places It's like everything else It fills right up Some places you need it Some places you don't Like in that case There's an old standard Anything more than 5% Is supposed to be stone lined And that's definitely more than 5% Plus it's hydronically connected To the river So it's supposed to be stone So they really should have come I'm keeping that alarm in my hat So if you yell at me **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'm going to Well the stone lined ditch Looks beautiful right after you do it But the next year **Speaker 24:** It's grown in and it fills right in **Speaker 5:** In fact Three years That whole hydronically connected Road segments need to be revisited Which is something else That Jim Henderson is working on But you have three years to do it So Most of the things that we did Five years ago Are probably not compliant now But in the whole Scheme of things I don't know how they really Think they're going to really keep track Of it all **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So Any other correspondence **Speaker 22:** Two uniform Municipal access permits Beacon sales And consolidation **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Beacon sales Indiana **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What are they selling What are they doing here Beacon sales Acquisition What are they **Speaker 22:** What's their business **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What a beacon is i don't know what they did oh it's a roofing supply i don't know what they do but they paid their ten dollars and they got their certificate of insurance so sign it motion to sign both of **Speaker 3:** these yep prices if you don't mind asking what's that state state system or more motion motion **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** motion made a motion second all in favor anything else lori old business uh we met with the school board a couple weeks ago it's kind of a good meeting to talk about things that we'd like to see and they'd like to see and the bottom line is we'd like to save money so the prince of the superintendent was going to give us a **Speaker 25:** breakdown i guess yeah so what we could and we can't what the town can take over versus the **Speaker 73:** school anyway is that that we're going to we're just going to look at it did they get back to us **Speaker 25:** yes yes so that we did go in on their meeting did we ever um sat another date for another one of **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** those no what about the school all boards all boards no not all boards the school was the joint meeting with the school again no we did not so we should when we're doing that at the end of that we should ask them if we can set another date instead of us going asking them now that we're not they're not here and then wait for them to get back to us at the end of those meetings we should put it on the agenda that we can set another date and all of us can agree that night because i like i don't like that we only do it once a year okay **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** no we should do it more often let's try to remember when we meet with them again when he **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** gives us the paperwork if we can throw that out all right because i think it'll be our meeting yeah you know there was a couple there was it was a good meeting but there was a couple things that were mentioned that was in my mind a little disturbing of the future and i don't want to get into it because i don't want to start a rumor but the future isn't looking that great in the educational department and state of vermont and the other thing that bothered me and i will bring this up is for years and years and years i looked into and i argued with board members uh the chair of the board and multiple chairs the board about ownership of this building and we looked at deeds and we found that every there's three deeds and all deeds say in one form or another that this residents of stamford own this building we have to make sure that we never join an alliance that the mem or that the ownership of this building goes through the alliance yes if that can be snuck in so easy it almost happened with clarsburg it was northern berkshire a regional you know educational board or something like that and if we join with them this is an that's this is their asset we can never ever let that happen and if i die tomorrow guys remember i'm glad you said that because i don't want anybody to forget that no seriously i mean i fought with them because they're like no the school owns this hell they do and i'll i'll go down and fight with **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** that one yeah once it becomes a school the school has jurisdiction over authority i get i have no **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** problem with them locking the doors when kids are over there that's easy yeah but but when we want to use that building over there that room it's ours right and we have the authority to use that you know we've got to make sure instead of only the school that has the authority to use that you know we've got to make sure this is something that we're going to have the right to use and we're no kids right now we can go over there right now and for them to say no it's wrong the state **Speaker 25:** decides to take all these kids somewhere else yeah the other thing too is they said that the local school board will just be advisory and if they change if they change the the regions **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** right yes to four in the whole state we're not gonna have to say that **Speaker 3:** yeah the state runs so shouldn't based on everything that we know and what we've been that's going on for 10 years it started when i first yeah um so shouldn't like maybe the chief or the fire department have a key to this building they do okay all right but at least that's a good **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** thing i thought that this this chair or the chair of this board should have key to that and i got resistance and i said first of all we went down to we know for a fact that out of town people have a key to that okay we know for a fact we know that there's there's sports events that go on there there's practices that go on there that people from out of this town go over there use our facility and we can't trust this woman with a key that if this if this room filled up we can't go over there well it is **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** i don't have my 911 numbers fully displayed so it's on my list **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** that word safety when they use that word safety it's thursday night at 8 30 at night there's no safety there's no kids over there knock it off you know knock it off that's our building we're not going into the classrooms we're going over there we're going to use it pick it up and then come back over here uh any other old words push back any other old business uh did you hear anything back from the **Speaker 60:** sign makers i have not even followed up with them all right so yeah it's your fault no she's busy **Speaker 9:** do we even have a design uh yeah we have a design it was the same one that was approved when we were originally going to do it it's just going to be bigger but uh stamford school uh town office library if i'm not mistaken right right what's that the biggest match allowed by your **Speaker 28:** you know your rules what's your what's the um what is this i go a little bit more 64 **Speaker 5:** quarter actually actually we fall under the state guidelines so you can go 64. right which is huge **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** so we're just waiting on it oh yeah i don't know what the color **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i definitely don't want rich bear to see if someone matches it **Speaker 16:** they will **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** good don't make me i got different tape measures measures different things so don't worry about it **Speaker 9:** yeah and you know what's going on with the sign that was out there is behind the generator bill **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** said actually it brings on it brought it down **Speaker 53:** that's having something that's going on is that a fire department volunteer job has to come move **Speaker 16:** our man lift from fluff road up to your place yeah so i haven't talked to my husband about this but if we could just kind of do a diversion and stop here and put it up how is it going to be mounted **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** is it well he's got to come up with some mounting system yeah i mean he might be moving it does the **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** steel frame have to be put on that i i don't know it looks like it's three pieces in a steel frame yeah it's three pieces but if you took the steel off the outside because it's going to be mounted now and you just put the screws and touch them together it would be a lot lighter you've got **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** the letters on there as long as they're not going as long as the letters are on no you keep it the **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** same way as it is you just take the steel off and then lighten it up the frame is holding it together right now you need a few guys to mount that oh yeah that steel is well if you need a few **Speaker 9:** is it right yeah because it's that command was created for the for the book and the sign i think **Speaker 16:** it's only three **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** pounds oh that oh that sign don't wait i just brought it down **Speaker 9:** you're not allowed to like mount your 200 pounds yeah but like if i was in there you couldn't put that sign in there whether you'd have to have like a couple of blips or yeah it's **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** awkward i don't think probably i know don't you want to do it **Speaker 5:** i hear like that quick cover or whatever not a market like somebody that puts that stuff up **Speaker 14:** you want to have somebody that calculates the weight yeah yeah if it falls on some kid **Speaker 9:** mike's got the right idea to take that frame off of there then you could put one board up then another board right it's a lot lighter that way yeah it would look good **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** once we come up with our our historical building we can ask for the other sign back **Speaker 52:** put that in there and we can have a write-up about the whole history of the stars i don't **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** think we have enough paper it'll be right next to the ice cream wars i don't think there's enough **Speaker 12:** paper yeah once about a time you know there was a sign okay go down just put that back out there **Speaker 25:** i don't like it the first one no the big one **Speaker 8:** no are you kidding me oh my goodness you gotta pull you gotta pull up to it stop your vehicle **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** and look to see what it says well it's doesn't say it right so i don't see it at all right it's only a one-sided i know but letters yeah then you'd have to look down here on the premises the library i know **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Is it a TFT mounted on the building? Could it be mounted on the building? it go under the sign that is right on the side of the building there though i wanted to donate **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** it to the people down the road but she didn't put her own up it's a perfect sign for driving into town what's that you want to donate i'll put it up on my new land down there i'm not getting a permit either it's art **Speaker 9:** i think the cows aren't facing the right way i think they should turn so you can see them both **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** sides i don't wait i'm waiting for someone to let's have it rotate right they will yeah oh **Speaker 3:** definitely what's that jim i'm looking for someone to finally complain i'm sure they're **Speaker 12:** going to follow the plate on my rifle range that's not a real color cow either the golf **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** court's probably going to play about that i've had mine for a couple years yeah but i got it **Speaker 25:** right down behind the golf course i don't know okay let's move on here and uh all right um **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** don't dogs do we know how dog's registration is coming in slowly for sure hey while luke's out doing **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** those dogs can he put check the 911 sign just trying to be more efficient guys we have had **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** people come in after now knocking down the door no well let's get a list and or you want i'll love you want me to get an update from luke bring them on whatever you want yeah i'll get an update you see **Speaker 22:** okay um new business seminar a couple of days ago on ordinance enforcement nobody showed up nobody showed up yeah they did have some ideas of how to continue to enforce it when you send the ticket in and this person pays a ticket for some list of places so go to **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** what did they say how well then you have to enter it into a different court have to enter it into a different different court so we have to really so we have to renew all these ordinances no i don't think so i mean **Speaker 22:** if they if they don't license the dog and they just pay the fine they haven't really cured the **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** violation no right you know but then we have we just have to keep the first student out again **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** yeah just they'd like to push back **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** yeah yeah like that's just stupid you're paying the fines and raising your money i know i got one thing i i forgot about um i looked into uh one of my workers got a one of those mini splits right mini splits and he put it in a room a little bit thinner in this room but about the same length it's amazing they're amazing it's sixteen hundred dollars installed can we look at if we could get i think maybe two of them they're very efficient they're a hell of a lot better than that and they heat it they're both what one i mean you can't even breathe you shut that door during the executive session you go in **Speaker 26:** there you can't breathe yep air conditioning they're great they tend to struggle when you get **Speaker 74:** below like 35 degrees with the heat yeah i mean even at that we already got heat so i'm just saying **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** a fall day you could have it not you know it'll save on our furnace over there but if maybe if you don't need that you can just get a central air or something for fifteen hundred dollars and if you do two of them we're talking three grand and i bet you the install will be less if you do two of them because the guy's already here we ought to look into that i'm saying you have a guy who uh who installs them this was uh no it was um the guy in town here um joe veresky he does it yeah he does it so i mean the guys right here in town you know i mean you can get yeah well they're not that hard i mean but you know he you know he did it because he's working for me so he don't have a lot of time so we just called joe up joe's my plumber and then we have a electrician did the was like five minutes and that was uh another time resident gary bellows he's the second in command for national grid he knows what he's doing you know so i mean i'm saying if you you talk with three thousand dollars and it's comfortable yeah yes i believe though that is the **Speaker 75:** only heat source this is the only thing for this room so we can look into what it would **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** you know if it's if there's a better system out there then yeah you know yeah but i could look into it some more thank you **Speaker 5:** that means that my my mother just put them in her house she was burning oil yeah and uh they got she got a grant to do it well mass is doing a lot of that yeah and so i would she says it for 67 degrees yep and it's 67 degrees year-round this this is her first full **Speaker 7:** year and then every time i walk in it says 67 years it's just perfect all the time yeah **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** is the heat in here on oil or just i know this is electric this is it is this oil oil yes so i have **Speaker 22:** heat over there but no air and then okay all it has is that for the heat and air i'll tell you i'll **Speaker 49:** look into it for the technology that is the mini split system it gets better and better so they're now kind of closer to 20 degrees now yeah than they used to be **Speaker 49:** again you're not you're not talking to keep this room comfortable all the time oh right we're not **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** sure sure yeah i mean i think it just seems like a pretty good system the state you know i mean they're going electric everybody's going electric so i mean it wouldn't hurt to get on board if they're especially if there's grant money out there uh you know i know in the state of massachusetts now if you build a house it has to be electric yeah you can put a wood stove in later the incentive is 30 percent back yeah so i'll look into it i'll talk to joe uh get back to you guys on if he wants to look at it if you guys want to get another quote with other people we can do that what's that i'm sorry yeah you know lisa our highway guys didn't have running water or sewer up until about five years ago you're running a switch off the one we bring rivers well only up the road where we're doing some marijuana growing that's all **Speaker 25:** not you no no no i didn't say with you i'd like to get a new rug for out there because that's been in **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** probably close to 30 years what broke for the town office it's pretty worn i suppose you want flowers too i'm talking about well i got the flowers out the front there man versus women yeah that's the way it is and the curtain's got to be pretty they got to match them yeah any other new business yes mike please look into that if you want to get three quotes do we don't actually need them do we need them it's got to be certified insured which is which he is yeah um any other new business no okay um could i have a motion to go in executive session for personnel yeah and for or probable civil litigation do we have any of that lori yes oh yes okay not the personnel ball right just both both okay okay oh you're coming in yes so um motion to go in second all in favor **Speaker 76:** you **Speaker 49:** Did you add the yellow flowers in after? No, they were there. They were? Yeah. They do look beautiful. **Speaker 76:** Thank you. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you. Hi. Are you Lori Cramey? You can come in later too. Here's our motion to come out of executive session by Kurt and Doug. All in favor? Aye. Okay. The action that we took in executive session, listers, the hourly rate will be set based on experience. Lori, how do we say that? Qualifications and experience. The assistant town clerk, hours up to 25 hours per week and salary based on experience. Okay. So, experience and qualifications. And third, we are going to advise the attorney to proceed as he outlined. **Speaker 65:** Good enough. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's the motion. **Speaker 10:** Second. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All in favor? Aye. **Speaker 10:** All right. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Mike, can you? **Speaker 48:** Motion to adjourn. Sorry. **Speaker 57:** I think she should wait. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Kurt, all in favor? **Speaker 48:** Aye. Okay. That's it.