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title: "Stamford Select Board — April 3, 2025"
date: 2025-04-03
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present: [Nancy L. Bushika, Douglas Wright, Michael G. Denault, John Dunn, Kurt Gamari]
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# Stamford Select Board — April 3, 2025

**Session:** Regular · **Duration:** 126 min · [Audio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOO9xW-Hhps) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%204-3-25.pdf)

**Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Douglas Wright, Michael G. Denault, John Dunn, Kurt Gamari

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**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you. So our board members present are

**Speaker 1:** Michael G. Denault, Nancy Bushika,

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Douglas Wright, John Dunn, and Kurt Gamari.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Will there be any adding of items or removing items from tonight's agenda?

**Speaker 2:** I have some agency of transportation papers that came in after the agenda as well as another access report.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, such as changing the order of items? And Jeb is recording tonight's meeting for his YouTube. Do we get any mowing bids?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And then I think we're kind of out of time here. Big, big. I can't repeat. There's a chair over here. There's one back here.

**Speaker 3:** No, thank you. Here's one. I'm good. That one, anyway.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So, Peter,

**Speaker 4:** see if I can open them.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay, we got a deal. That's a VIP sit-down.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Nobody submitted a certificate of insurance. Well, I need to ask about the state-taught firewood and landscaping. Replace the image lawn and plow. Damage topsoil seed and straw. So that means cleaning up all the front lawn, right?

**Speaker 5:** Yep, all the damage that comes aside on the front lawn. Spring and clear. Yeah, it'd be cleaning all that up and then replace it with topsoil.

**Speaker 6:** I think we put in there

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** to remove debris from ditch along fence on Morgan and Wyman's property. Is that included?

**Speaker 5:** Yeah, you can include that in there. I don't think it's going to add much.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** This one? No, I was just going to look. Do you know how many cuttings from the yard work by Dan?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, it's the RFQ. Did it say? No.

**Speaker 7:** Didn't we call it?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. We were saying 16 at one time. I don't see it this year. She said about one year.

**Speaker 5:** I think the average cuttings per year are 20.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It depends. This year we may be mowing sooner. I guess it really depends on the year.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It really doesn't matter if neither one of them put a number down. If it's a price you take 20 to buy it, I'll tell you what's your number off. There's a number on the wall.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, on Lee Paw, it's estimated 20 cuts and on the yard work, by Dan, it doesn't say how many cuts.

**Speaker 2:** So number three just tells you how often you'd like it, but you don't specify it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Twice a week is that what we're looking at? Or do we take a plan on it or something like that? We charge more each year to the same price as each other. That's your charge. So that's even more confusing. Part of it's a weekly one and part of it's a daily one. Let's just use the number. It doesn't matter. If we use the number of 20, we divide both prices. By 20, it'll give us the number of costs per cut. Well, the cost per cut's on there too. One just specifies it.

Yeah.

**Speaker 4:** Yeah. Yeah. Is that contractual? Whatever it is.

**Speaker 5:** However many it needs. I know we've gone over the yard work by Dan before, too,

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** because the mowing season wasn't done. And you can't let the grass grow. And even here, you started early, but it depends on the season.

Right. What's your feeling on this? I don't know.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

But, uh, I don't have any questions on the yard work by Dan. Oh. Can I see it? Yeah. Go ahead.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'm not open, so. Oh. Can you say it? Oh, yeah. We got it. Yard work by Dan, 200 per cutting, 750 clean up. Big paw, 200 per cutting. And 5. In the past, the clean up included top soil and seeding.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And I don't think that Dan's. He did an extra bid last year, I think. Yeah. Yeah. But do you think he did it tougher? Yeah. But I don't think he defined it more than he did in the past. I don't know. He did it. I don't know. He did it in the past. Yeah, I don't think he's defining what he's doing with his money. No, it just says right now.

**Speaker 2:** I mean, it's probably going to be at least $1,799.

**Speaker 4:** That's what you're saying. Whatever, $518,000, just charge him by the top, basically, right?

Right.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right, it'll go down. $20,000 is $4,000. Whatever it is.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Mowing last year, mowing and cleanup was $4,000.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That was, now, that's the old one last year. Now it would be $47,000. It doesn't matter, it's proportional.

**Speaker 4:** Oh, shouldn't I have said $5,000? I said $5,000.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All in favor?

**Speaker 4:** Aye.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Two in favor? I'm saying, yeah, I'm saying aye. Thank you.

**Speaker 5:** Thanks, sir.

Is there one on me?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We'll get your certificate of insurance to Lori.

**Speaker 5:** Yeah, she called the insurance company to send all of that. We'll send it back to Lori.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Starts at least, then?

**Speaker 5:** Yeah, sooner or better.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yep.

**Speaker 8:** We'll vote tonight.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** There's no vote tomorrow.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, hearing the visitors.

**Speaker 9:** There are two events coming up that I want to let everybody in town know about. One is on May 3rd is our once-a-year Vermont Green Up Day, and it's here at the school from 8 till noon. You come in, you are given gloves and a garbage bag and assigned or choose some road to just go around and help pick up trash. Really nice community event. This is the town. The second... The second one is happening on May 10th from 10 till 2 here at the school, and that is going to be our second annual resiliency fair, and it will be expanded this year in that we're going to plan to not just have food, but to have a community meal together. It'll basically be, you know, speakers and... Goods that are locally produced, agricultural things, so if you are a producer of eggs, honey, maple syrup, or whatever, and want to be representative, hit me up, and also a band. Dan's son is in a band, and they're amazing, so come like them all.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I had a question. Yes. On the clean-off.

**Speaker 9:** Yes.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Does the state provide you with the gloves and the bags?

**Speaker 9:** They provide us with the bags. I got the gloves.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay. Well, the reason why... Okay. Well, the reason why... I'm asking if you weren't on the town agenda to say you didn't get your $50, I don't think.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That goes to the state. Okay.

**Speaker 1:** The $50 goes to the state.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That goes to the state. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Our local lesson given is...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If you need anything, I'll help you out.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you.

**Speaker 9:** Thank you.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What's the date of the first one again? I'm sorry.

**Speaker 9:** The first one is May 3rd. It's a Saturday. Thank you. Dave brings his truck down. We all have the joy of tossing these massive bags of trash, and you really see a difference. I mean, not with the snow. It's not... It's not... It's not... It's not... It's not... It's not...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Mike Cole.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Mike Cole. Mike Cole. Mike Cole. And it's not mad, so... Mike.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So, I'm here on behalf of Alkawal. I'm still a board member, and I just wanted to touch base with you guys on Colbert at the top of Suzanne Drive on Sports News Road. I don't know where you guys ended up with that in the hydraulic study. I did touch base with Josh Carville just in passing, and me and him talked about it for a minute.

**Speaker 10:** just looking to get started again yep dave he's got some information so yesterday i got the

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** hydraulic studies yeah so i haven't um got much information as far as cost because there's he's also his original design for the most effective um installation i told him really is not really feasible in a way yeah i know because he he said something about it had some hurdles with permitting all that i just i don't see it happening yeah so i asked him to come up with some alternatives and he's supposed to send those to us yeah cool um one seems fairly reasonable the other one would include you know a long pipe you know it would be better kind of like the second most effective but still kind of a complicated project and the third one is fairly simple but it's still going to be the least effective yeah and you still might have the same problem you do now yeah possibly because i do um alcohol we washed out again down low i think you guys already heard that but uh we have been talking about trying to do some stuff to mitigate on our end of it um one thing we came up with was maybe we'll put a culvert across like 100 or 150 feet down the road so that when it does come over it tends to hit the ditches and maybe we can cross it it's all the way down to the houses right you know what i mean try to mitigate our problem but hopefully we can work together and figure out some way to mike that's one thing i was going to mention is if we go forward we can there's always a chance yeah there may be grants yeah so if we went forward looking for a grant whatever uh the options we desire is willing to work with us on the leftover cost because grants are always matching yeah and i i can't speak for the whole board but i believe we will i think that would make it yeah no i i i think that we're looking to spend some money to save us money in the long run right right is where we're coming from exactly so that's that one plan that is the easiest i just i'm against that i looked at the plan yes very small why put money into something that's just gonna be the same way i think yeah i'm not an expert so i'm looking for more guidance like you are about yeah the cost is what we're looking at yeah yeah i'm not again i'm just using you know made up numbers right now but if we get an 80 percent grant we gotta make 20 percent whatever that number is yeah yeah we can work together yeah no definitely and that's where because like you guys can get grants out the wall we're kind of hand side you can't really get grants for nothing and we're not a municipality right so that's where like we've been talking about we budget for four culverts a year so we're going to eat one this year if we end up doing this over on that road just we'll have to get the landowner i think it's um aaron murphy excuse me oliver's old place we'd love to get him on board because we're going to put him in culver just haven't

**Speaker 11:** been there before you know what i mean so yeah i have a question what does that do to the hydraulic

**Speaker 5:** study if you put a culvert and or you're trying to put it in what does that do to the josh culver

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** study i have no idea the motor load problem yeah below the problem right yeah this would be down and be down suzanne drive it would essentially be if the water came over again and comes down suzanne drive it would hopefully shoot the water back over and not go down the road farther what

**Speaker 10:** size culvert are you thinking of putting in there i would put a 24 in minimum um what about time

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** periods you have no idea right that's the biggest issue well yeah i mean hopefully you'll be able to ask me pretty quick i'll i'll do it if he does i don't think it's something to do for him yeah

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** so we really can't make a decision right now until we see those and

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i mean for the most part i don't i i think the most effective option is almost off the table because you're not having to have an ax in 50 it's going to be oh yeah and he said something about having to get the frigging uh the iron engineers involved and stuff and just like you know where are you calling it for us grant wise too there's some questions questions if it involves you know like a private road you know that kind of stuff whether what they would pay for what they wouldn't pay for he couldn't really give you any answers on that yeah no definitely because i mean we're just asking to be captain of the loop and like we're willing to work with you guys that's for sure i'm definitely working on it yeah no perfect like i said we're just it's one of those we had that watch again that just yeah it gets you thinking about it again so i just figured i'd come down and touch base with you and we'll see you next time and i can start reaching out to you personally dave too yeah that's fine in between just to keep in the loop and figure out what's going on if you're here after the meeting you know you can get my number and yeah i'll take it yeah i probably won't be here after the meeting but all right i'll catch up with you sometime we'll be talking to each other yeah

**Speaker 12:** so it's great that i'm sitting here i'm i'm mike burke he's aaron's father and from here

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** he's busy now but i guess will there be an opportunity for the people who are affected by that he has to stream that's actually going to be uh changed by all this so will will there

**Speaker 10:** be an opportunity for him to have consultation i'm sure they will because they can't do anything

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** without the property yeah i'm not sure exactly what his concerns are

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** we felt maybe some of the concern we would want to try to cause him any issue in any way and direct the water in a way that was going to you know him out and he would still get no matter what that if we decided you know the most effective or the second most effective that color there's now a stack because there is a stream channel there that wouldn't be captured by the others so he has it so he has a well there right which actually is related to that water and also he has a stream of property that has to address that for him so that that so those are the questions that he has all three scenarios he's still going to get water down to his little pond area yeah there's a positive yeah you would still get water is up up the top and down at the bottom right it just would be either he's going to get all the water at the top or some water tops and most of the time right so maybe

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** if uh alchemol puts in the culvert do you uh you have to have land on your commission too to put that on their property and start dating up their property right

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** yes we can do our work in our right of way but we would essentially need to ask permission as we'd be directing water onto that property okay so that because there's no existing culvert

**Speaker 1:** there like those existing we can just change it so will it be going down heading towards more

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** towards leases now it would be the idea would be to have it high enough so it would get back in the water channel that comes off of aaron murphy's property on the leases property i'd

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** say that again it's coming off the errands right yeah so it's going the culverts can divert the water onto errands

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** yes so it would cross the if you were standing on uh sportsman's road looking down suzanne drive it would cross water from the left side of suzanne drive to the right and it's going to take almost no water only in the event that this water comes over the road like it hasn't been but that should go right in the same place as the water's going right now yeah exactly so it's it's it's essentially a preventative thing but it would mitigate the problems that we had down on hairline to keep the water from chasing i mean you're never going to stop at all most of the ones that happen this time because of snow it's just one of those your hands are tied you can only do so much water comes from everywhere yeah so so you're saying that the way that the surface water would be affected on the sportsman's road probably around the corner there would be better like though what album log wants to do wouldn't affect anything to do with how the water comes across sportsman's road what album wall is going to do is just to put a culvert in for a backup essentially just a backup drainage around your house yeah exactly so it's just that's a cool our first step and then hopefully we can figure something else out then hopefully we'll see what yeah yeah yeah oh nothing happened nothing happens you can discuss whether you know the second option is feasible out the walls you know interested in pursuing that yeah not perfect i'm glad to hear there's other options because you sent me that option the first one yeah i i really pushed on pretty hard to try to you know be more open to yeah different options a lot logical that didn't seem you know i mean it might be the best you know for flow but yeah not perfect there's a lot of hurdles and is that

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** the first one we looked at here below yeah two properties

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** right yeah redoing the stream beds and all that so do you have any thoughts about the actual idea of where that might actually be happening something well i know that the town doesn't have funding enough to do for any of those projects itself so i mean if you guys want we can try to apply for grants and you're not necessarily gonna get any of them this year um i still don't know if they would pay for the second option to get longer probably where you're thinking about dumping it's almost the same idea it's the same idea except for you know it's going to be crossing grabbing that water and then going underneath yep obviously it's a private road the town can't just do that yeah yeah like i said we're willing to play that's that's i mean that's a fun day that's a lot that's a pretty sizable project other than you know compared to the third option yeah which was kind of in the same area the pipe is now adjusting it a little bit you know angle wise yeah but then that's the least effective because you're gonna have yeah you still have that hard 90 and it still is what it's right so i can tell you that it's the size of it i would go with the kind of a squash cover the metal pipe arch yep um you need two options one of them's around 3.5 feet but the the squash house would handle the debris a lot better yeah i agree i believe so the size is 33 by 49 yep perfect so it's really not as big fortunately yep that's why i had expected them

**Speaker 11:** to come off no i agree i'm surprised a little bit yeah so does anything that you guys are talking

**Speaker 13:** about have action 15 involved in them just one one option one option one the most effective but

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** most terrible and even that's not a guarantee if you got to bring the iron core in you're looking at years

**Speaker 13:** is there something temporarily that doesn't involve the army for years or

**Speaker 11:** so kind of well there's two options that wouldn't require an act 250 or the army for right um

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** believe it or not the the second third option don't require

**Speaker 4:** so that's that's funny because it's an intern industry

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** like i said i don't i ain't even priced one of those colors in a while so i don't know

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** wait until you get more information you can work with mike and i like to bring this up all the time

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** how many coverage do we have 300. so and not all of them are in good shape no i mean we have similar projects that are probably we're structures are running you know they're starting to fail yeah um we're in the same situation yeah i'd like to see where the options come in i mean it sounds like option two would be the best in my mind if that's the case what's the number what if is there a grant available we go back and tell that wallet or on the wall it has to be a hundred thousand dollars they want to they got to come in half they might say well we don't have the money we surely don't have the money right then we go look for a grant or we can say the grant came in and we're getting eighty thousand now we only gotta come up with ten we'll come up you know something like that don't justify it maybe when i get the options i'll talk to mike and maybe maybe you can throw a number at doing the job yeah yeah you know and then if we can get a grant that pays some money for it you guys can put your time in it and you know i don't know how it'll work but yeah yeah no but that's what that's what i'm saying we're here to play like it just that's a pretty pretty long stretch there it's going to be yeah quite a bit of money just for the phone yeah yeah yeah no it'd be nice to hear because we don't want to put something that's going to interfere with the future project you know what i mean yeah because we might still put in this lower pipe just to help mitigate that like i said you're never going to fix it forever i mean it's always going to come over at some point sometimes we're going to get heavy rain with snow and yeah yep exactly it'll never be cured it'll just be better okay thank you

**Speaker 14:** jamie jamie elias who's in drive i'm going to go in the yard i'm very glad to hear a conversation that things are going to be changing meanwhile my guy came out and gave me a quote of three thousand dollars to fix my driveway in the yard to make it look like it did before the rain i would like to know where this money is coming from i don't have it to keep doing this over and over and over i pay my alcohol dues i think it's ethanol's responsibility bart has told my husband last week that he would come with some sort of yellow machine with a straight blade and or crap out as much as he could and i've heard nothing seen nothing well i don't believe it's

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** the town's responsibility to fix that up we don't go on anybody else's private property we only have problems i mean my whole bank washed up three times ten thousand and the state didn't say we'll

**Speaker 10:** help you and i know it's the way it is you can try to alleviate problems in the future

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** yeah i know water's the enemy you can't stop it when it's coming down

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** part of that will help her out it's up to you guys you get a nice board decision left to talk about on the board any other hearing visitors walt do you want to speak at all

**Speaker 3:** you want whatever it's up to you um see what i could do to uh plow from uh shank road and down to wally dolly's old place

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** walter what's your last name winter oh you're right on the corner then yes

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** yeah

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** well we do let other people follow the roads but you have to fill out the insurance there's an agreement that you have to sign with the town every year we need the insurance certificate lori has the information on it

dave inspects it after in the spring each time to make sure there's no other damage and

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** you would repair any damage caused to the road because the road is closed supposed to be closed in the winter i've seen tracks over there um what else do we need with that

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** so dave um one of the services he was having is the insurance he's having a tough time finding an insurance for himself um the other people that do this they source it out to a local guy at fox right um yeah that's what i i did mention the wall that means we can get a hold of brian contact stuff because the numbers at wall talking about you can build we can put a road in

if i'm not mistaken i think you just need to get commercial insurance for your

**Speaker 5:** truck they can follow this but then you're following your own property you don't have to get insurance on your vehicle they can follow your own your own driveway as soon as you drop your file on someone else's property you're not covered by your all your regular automobile insurance you have to get what's called commercial insurance they make it sound like a big deal that's true yeah yeah yeah just okay like that a little extra you know fee and it covers you to plow

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** other people's credit so we'll give you okay we got all summers yeah yeah laurie's got all the agreement okay yeah grab that from laurie or just case you had it thank you yeah okay um

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** all set here reading and approval records and orders from march 20th

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** approved uh second all in favor when i can't agree when you start ditching on each row

**Speaker 1:** don't know when you come no not yet

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** um

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** and you did say something about um

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** sweeper yeah this week right i have a contact with the maintenance man this year gonna be they won't give you an actual date because of weather and you don't however it's only a day so we'll just kind of when are we going to revisit the idea of next year we're going to be doing another project our five-year project so i would say when i go around with him to kind of submit all the roles we'll get into that more obviously prices

okay

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** you know how i am the longer things go the more they cost more and i know the number that we had for this road will go off just by any stretch of your imagination and depending on how things are going on in the economy to grow higher but i don't like to wait on things if we couldn't do it at all we're not going to that spot you know tom says no problem we're not done okay but if we are fire trust is a great example if we if we don't like you know if we wait and we didn't we saved well over a hundred thousand dollars so it makes sense the guy i normally deal with knows that we're interested in having possibly some more roads down so you know we need to know that it may be easier to you know especially if it's slow at all or sharing more work that's good

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** things all good

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** no the rand truck is at the buyers at the moment it had a bunch of lights on the dash and just can you lie dad and it wouldn't allow to go into all the drive and everything's tied into the computer now so or not, so I have no idea what's going on with that at the moment, but it's down there.

Do you know how much the roughing and miles are on this vehicle?

**Speaker 4:** About $50,000.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm planning on, next year, coming to the board so we can put that on for a one-hour goal to replace it because it's five years old. Unfortunately, we probably should have done it this year. It's probably missing the homeworks, and it may come down just now. Right. We're just talking about some way in with private vehicles. You know, John's got a business. He's buying vehicles. I'm buying machines. When you start spending more than your payments would be for a new machine, and that's where we're at. You know, you're starting to spend more in a year. When you get those numbers and you approach the town and say, look, I'm spending $12,000 a year on this truck, and it's depreciating more and more, I might do what my payments would be. You know? That's how we bought the last one. Yeah. I mean, it just makes sense. It's hard to understand because the old days, you had a vehicle. You kept going. You could fix it. You knew how to fix it. Now, you're okay. You don't have to think about it. Yeah. Most of the non-volts, we don't like it. I can handle it. Everything goes through the computer. I'm doing the same thing down the shop. I buy these machines. They're all computerized. They break. I can't fix it. The old days, we could fix it. So, now, you're looking at it. You got it. You got it. You got it. You got it. You got it. You got it. You got it. You got it. We're going to have to replace them every five to seven years. Sure. The reliability really plays a part too. Because then you can be intact. . Okay. Less breakdowns. Yep. . And, truck does get used a lot. So, we've had good luck with it, compared to everything else. So, I mean. Is that truck paid for now, or not? Earlier? It will be, this year. That's the time. Still, yeah. I mean, you're still talking.

**Speaker 5:** I mean, that truck is over a specific period.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. I mean, we've known this truck for a long time.

I mean, I've been here for like four years.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And, if I broke the truck or something- Exactly. Yeah. talking i mean that truck was over just over a hundred thousand five years ago so i'm guessing they're not cheap but we should get something for it still you know the last truck we got rid of was just a rack right so we can get it down to the same payments and we're used to that i mean this winter's definitely had more failures with that truck than we've had started to get to that point you know we're on the road side

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** that's it yeah um anything on recycling or discussion proposed bylaw revisions um the planning commission has presented the select board with the proposed zoning bylaws in the notice in there their changes are in gray they had their public hearing two three weeks ago so now the next step is to present this to the select board move it over um any changes to it concerning the sign section because that's all that we're discussing right now we can't do anything else in there without going to them first um have your questions ready for next meeting we'll discuss it we can talk to the board about the planning commission about it uh if there's major changes you send it back to them minor changes so we can proceed and do the public hearing and we can set that i think laurie said we've got 120 days after this is presented to us to have a public hearing so if we discuss it next meeting set a date sooner than later

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** uh can i ask the planning board for some of them are here tonight uh you voted this in correct could you tell me what the vote numbers were was it unanimous

**Speaker 15:** i just have one cranny thing lori um when laurie and i were on the phone there's one small change that we made that didn't make it into this something and i didn't eight of the ten yeah this morning oh you got so i don't want to please

**Speaker 16:** oh she's got the change anyway yeah okay before i printed it i checked it one more time sorry i

**Speaker 15:** didn't see it it's changed on your side we changed it and laurie and i were talking i was going to put together what to send you and and it's the eight that we changed page 24 but we haven't changed

**Speaker 2:** seven point sixteen two m um the temporary construction sign not to exceed 16 square feet the total area for 10 feet in height it should have been eight and when i first drafted it i

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** didn't touch it but i did the height should be eight yeah say that number again seven point one

**Speaker 17:** sixteen two and top of flint's gross off this is the yeah

**Speaker 4:** yeah

**Speaker 2:** initially signed it to lisa yeah i had missed it so she thought of the story for the last time

**Speaker 5:** i would like to say that thank you to lisa for putting all the work into this and the rescue board a lot of uh effort went into this and unfortunately it does come around the side but we are all like having been about um look forward to reading

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** commission update scanning um okay um reading it over again this sounds like it only covers the elected collection inviss式 individuals statutorily appointed to perform executive, administrative, legislative, quasi-judicial functions in the town? What about Mike Bermers? I'm sorry using names, but Mike's position? Employees. Yeah. Casey's position? Yeah. Could we add a line there, employees of the municipality, too, that should cover the employees?

**Speaker 10:** Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** More. What about maybe adding to that, too, anybody that's acting in an official position representing the town? Maybe not a white person appointed, you know, in front of this meeting like that. Sure. All right. The board's better, I guess.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Because I thought it was covered in our employee handbook, but there's nothing in the employee handbook that covers conflicts of interest or ethics, so that would be another next step we'd be working on. So if we add it in? Yeah. So that's in article three. Maybe we don't need it on the next page, number E, or whether it be public body, meaning boards, councils, commission, committee, or the municipality. So we have the municipality representing the town. Right? Yeah. This E. So you're reading them. The state's policy must apply to employees, doesn't it? The state's policy? Yeah. Okay.

**Speaker 4:** Thank you. Thank you.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you.

**Speaker 4:** Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you. Thank you.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Thank you.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Thank you.

Thank you.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I think we were just very close to this and didn't realize.

**Speaker 10:** It doesn't hurt to add to it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, we can add to it. It doesn't hurt to add to it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Let's add it in and try it next week. And for next year then. Yeah, send it out and.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Can we sign this without bringing it back to the board? You're good with the whole thing? I mean, with just that one change, yeah. We've been talking about it for a long time. To make a motion, can't we say allowing for the changes that. They can be changed forever. We can go back a month now and go, hey, we want to make an amendment. I'd like to make a motion that we sign it with the changes that we spoke about tonight. And we can stop it and just sign it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Be done.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We don't have to keep bringing this put on the calendar. Talk about it, not if I read it or not, but I don't see the errors like you do.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, we didn't, Morgan, I didn't see it until the other day. I'm confused. Well, what about anybody representing the town? So, committee, but I think after we adopt this policy, we hand it to all the other boards in town because they have to follow this also.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm still, and I hate to argue, I don't want to start arguing about this. I'm still having, there's a part of this, and part of, I guess, people that are in charge, I have a tough time with. We appoint Lisa on the board, and Lisa doesn't follow the board's rules, okay? You're causing issues on your board, whatever it is. Not, it's not a conflict of interest. It's an actual, you're disrupting the harmony of the board, whatever you want to call it. And the rest of the board brings that back to the appointors. We've appointed you, and we say, get an executive session. We sit you down and say, hey, look, we heard that you're swearing, you're out of line, you're not, you're making people, you're cutting people off, you're being a problem. I still feel this board should be able to reprimand another board member and say, we're appointed, you're appointed by this board, and if you don't knock it off, you're done. And we'll appoint someone else. And I think that this board should have that authority to do that all the time. This can't be a censure. We're elected. We're elected. They're appointed. I mean, it's just like the President of the United States coming in and bringing his cabinet in and saying, this is my cabinet. You're all done. Well, the same thing goes here. And not that, I'm not trying to sound like we're all that. It's just that because it's awesome to have so many people step to the plate and get on these boards. And I hate to bring this up, but right down below this, we have letters of resignation. And one of the letters is, It's due to the actions of another member. And then that didn't come to this board. We just had a resignation letter right off the bat of someone saying, hey, look, this board is doing things that are against the rules of a board. So we have a public meeting loss. That means that I can't call up the rest of you guys and say, vote my way or else. It's against the public meeting rules. Okay? We can talk about things. I can get the information set. Here's the information. Hand it to all of us. You know, we've all done that. We read an article. We hand it to all of us to read. We don't make an agenda. We don't tell anybody what we're thinking. When we have board members that are going against the rules, that, and I'm not saying that I believe the people that are resigning or not. It doesn't matter. If you go to this board in our executive session, we should discuss it, find out what's going on, and say, hey, look, like I said, it doesn't matter if you resign or not. I'm saying that the people that resigned, now we put new people in. They have the same issue. We didn't solve the problem. All I'm saying is if I'm here as a board member, and I'm not trying to be a boss. I'm just calling the rest of this board. If I hear from other members that there's one member constantly causing trouble or doing things that are against the rules, not just unethically, but against public policy, you know, that open meeting laws, you can't do some of these things. You can't have your little meetings at your house with, how many members you guys got now? Nine. Nine? No. Seven? So you have five of you guys have a meeting at someone's house. And you all gang up on someone else. That's wrong. You can't do that. If you find that's happening, we have to address that as a board, because that doesn't make the town run smooth. Yeah.

I mean, we could not appoint certain people. That's the way we feel. You know, I'm bored. Right. And it's our job. Or I'm just seeking this not appoint.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Our job is to have a judicial system. And that happens. We get the information from both sides. And then it's our job to make a decision. Right now. And that's what we talked about this last year. About having all boards meetings. And having boards answer. So, and again, I'm just going to use this one because it came up today. Conservation committee. I didn't even know who was on that committee. It's been so long since I heard from them. Now all of a sudden it's. We're hearing about it. We disagree. Yeah. You didn't hear about it. Last year we didn't even hear about it.

Conservation committee.

**Speaker 4:** There's a few new members who some of which are leaving now that. Right. They're leaving. So one meeting every six years. Right.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So that's. We should have at least, at least the chairman. You know, I mean. Should come forward and say, okay.

There's a report. Back to the.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The site board. Saying, Hey, this is what's going on. Everything's running smooth. Nothing's running smooth. We should hear about that. It shouldn't be just here. And it would make it better for this town. To be able to run it. You have people right now that are not happy with some boards. Now it's getting. Now that it's getting. Video. You can watch some of these board meetings. And yes, I have no problem with. With having heated discussions. You know me. I don't. I'll have a heated discussion. But when you have people just. I mean, I would say. I would say there's a difference between healthy debates and debate. Just to be. I mean, you can. Come in at this. So I guess the reason why I brought it up here. I want to make a distinction between. This type of ethical problem.

**Speaker 4:** Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. This type of ethical problem. Or. and go forward and maybe the person doesn't understand what they're doing no you can't call people on the phone and tell them what to vote for you can't do that okay you can't it's just wrong right now we need to tell them look you can't do that and go from there that's just my opinion i think this board should be able to take more action when it comes to that um aren't most of the boards like when we meet here what you have to say will be conducted in a respectable manner when we draw something like that i mean we're not talking like you said ethics you know we're talking about conduct right and disrupt us conduct which disrupts the running of the town sure so could we put something you know use that as a basis like what she needs and everybody will be respectful wait to be called on just draw that up now do you think who's your chair now you are for the planning commission so the planning commission chair you have that type of

**Speaker 8:** yeah we just went through some some some good changes when i probably just prior to i took over as the chair and our first meeting as the chair just because i know you were on both boards

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** the conservation commission did they have that type of language i never made a meeting okay good uh marvin you're there right not anymore so did you ever go to the meeting you was there any of that language at the beginning no no okay so that's a good idea to say hey look we all started our meetings all boards started meetings with this type of language to make sure the public knows that it's not just the board members the public says look you can't tip this table over if you do we got a problem right because even if i stand up and i'm seeing this happen where board members stand up you know we're having those discussions so

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** where did you Get your wording from another town いや

**Speaker 15:** your

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** opening from your planning commission meeting from other towns no it's week point from another town I think just what we've had in place in this town.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So much of what we did.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, right. I think it's something from another town that was similar to probably, it's probably home.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't wanna make it go too long. I mean, the language has been there for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. But it just, it bothered me tonight when I saw the letters and it bothered me that I saw the letters. I think, you know, we had a person that was appointed and now is leaving, never, I hate to probably help with the letters there, saying, hey, I didn't even go to a meeting and this is already how it's happening. We shouldn't let this happen. We should definitely say, hey, look, don't do this. Okay? Yeah. Publicly as a push, you probably need to give a copy of the open meeting to every person you appoint. Yeah. We have some training coming up on it. A lot of those people have no idea. Right. I mean, we're familiar with it here because we live with it all the time. Yep. But those people that say, yeah, I'm interested in the survey. Yep. And don't have any idea what it should be. That's a good idea, that we can get that, hand that to them. Like I said, I'm not making accusations that they're doing it on purpose. They might not know. They might think, hey, I can go call people on the phone. I'm the chairman. Yeah, tell them this is what we're doing. Chairman, Justin. In her case, she's a little bit more of a chair, but if you run this deep, other than that, we're all deepies. You know, although, I mean, she's got a little bit more information.

**Speaker 9:** Her file's there.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, well, she's a good chair.

**Speaker 9:** I can't remember this.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. But you know what I'm saying. I just, all kidding aside, I just would like to see things run smooth because nothing gets done if there's always, always arguing and wrenches getting thrown in the gears. This by-law thing, you guys work a long time on it. When there's wrenches getting thrown in the gears, and I'm not saying that you can't disagree, but you don't want that, you know, that's a lot of work, and there's a lot of work to be done. You look at this agenda tonight and I'm talking and Nancy's going, hurry up because we gotta get going.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So, Laura, what do you have in, Laura, you said, talking the open meeting law to chairmen?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, and I think that all the boards, well, not just chairmen, I think we can right from our office. Everybody who appointed, yeah. So then I think all the boards should have language at the beginning of their meetings that are similar to what we use.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Doug mentioned, too, that there's gonna be an open meeting training through VLCT on April 16th.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah.

**Speaker 3:** And you can do that here or on your own computer, right?

**Speaker 15:** It's free, this Monday, so.

**Speaker 18:** It's free, yeah, you can do it anywhere.

**Speaker 8:** Yeah, I was just gonna say the same thing. Like, I received an email from Laurie and I sent it to all of the board members, the planning commission members, to see who was interested in this

and then I sent the response back to Laurie. I'm assuming she sent it to every chair on the board,

**Speaker 8:** so regardless if they wanna take the meeting or not, I mean, it's been presented, so kudos for that.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, even when they're free, I like coming here because it gets me out of work. No, but I'm not computer savvy. I screw up everything. Every time I touch something, so I have, they set it up, and there's more than one of us that, you know, curse on that computer savvy, right? I'm not, you know, we can sit here and watch it, and it's, it's, that's right, you know, so, I know.

**Speaker 15:** Well, if there's a way to find out from Laurie, maybe, like, I know that there wasn't really interest with the planning commission, right? Right. So, I'm gonna redo it, but if other people were going through it, I'm down. But I guess I don't know if other people are.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right, that's what I'm saying, if there's four of us. Yes, if there's more people, it's more fun. It's easier.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's more fun, absolutely. She usually sets it up here, and she won't come. I've been here alone with it.

**Speaker 15:** Yeah, we did it last year, it's the same one, right?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And there's always something, if you learn, that you go, oh, I didn't know that. Absolutely.

**Speaker 2:** Thank you, Mike. Okay, we're not done. Okay, Mike made a motion to sign this with the changes. Yes.

**Speaker 7:** Is there a second?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'll second. Is there a move-by right now? I'm sorry. Second.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Second. Second. Yeah. All in favor? Aye.

Aye.

**Speaker 2:** Aye. Okay, hang on, have two people have sent in letters saying they were interested in an ethics investigator

in front of the pool. So next one is ethics.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** This one, you can throw away, you can just walk in and throw that away.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Ethics in front of the bank.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay. So, throw that one away, and then we'll be looking. So, you're saying that this doesn't help. Just bring it in the pool when we need it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Or if someone files an ethics complaint against me or Jim. Okay. Just submit the letters. So, right now, any police officers we have?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We have . These are correctional officers. They're not quite a police officer.

**Speaker 5:** . I'll call that. No. No. That's a really good idea to have somebody that's not involved in. That's what I was hoping.

**Speaker 11:** Yeah, I was kinda lost.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We would have, well, no, you're on the floor. Everybody's on the floor. You're on us because that's what you get when you're on us. You're on us because that's what you get when you're on us. So right when you're on us.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You're on Jim or Dad.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They might as well be on us. Yeah, they are here on us. No, I understand. That's probably a complete. You want to do it? If you said it was Doug, I think Doug wants to be on. Might it be against you, Doug? Right. If it's against Dave, we'll use you, right? This is open. I want to check.

**Speaker 5:** We could have more.

**Speaker 1:** It's never an issue.

**Speaker 5:** Hopefully there's.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Hey, you can't just keep sending them in. Yeah, maybe.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's the ordinance. Just as good as the office.

**Speaker 2:** I think we said, I said it just to you. Oh. We're waiting for a response and without. Oh, that's right. Okay.

**Speaker 5:** Oh, that's not. I saw that.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Along with Doug's investigation. Very well organized each step. And it goes along with our ordinance. So Lori will do this up. Okay. Send it to the rest of the board. And go through the ordinance process. It'll take probably 60 days. 80 days. Sorry, Mike. I'm okay with it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm trying to get some stuff on.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** 80 days is nothing in this town.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We've been trying to put a sign up for. I know. Even in eight years now. No, it just isn't accurate. It's about seven and a half. Okay. Review and approve Doug. We're more hybrid reserve fund. We went over them last week.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And Lori picked them up. Very brief. Very concise. Just guidelines. What we can use that fund for. Have a motion to approve. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Second. Second.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Second. Second. Second.

**Speaker 5:** Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Second.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Second. Second.

**Speaker 2:** Second.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second.

**Speaker 11:** owner says i can't afford it i'm not you know you know you can't do that

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** 50 100 bucks and you say okay we'll fight it you know if they ignore it and months go on

**Speaker 10:** we did send tickets to them but they paid the court system yeah

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i understand each person has a different story in their life when people are better off financially than others i understand all that when you have them there's a responsibility you don't pay for my children i don't want to pay for your daughter

and what happens is

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** we have people that it does it gets overwhelming and this case was a i understand i was compassionate about it i didn't push the issue but we we got to be careful we can get in the high-end cost that dog did someone or if that dog had rabies it would have worse you know it was relatively safe at least you know it's something we ought to i agree with john as long as it's working

**Speaker 5:** with our guidelines motion sign the guidelines for dispersing funds reserve funds

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** all in favor aye and speaking of dogs um the due date was the first about how many dogs are unregistered at this point

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** all of them

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** i'll give you an hundred six Oh yeah

**Speaker 2:** you probably have a hundred registered well we give a 100 if they want to register we give a 100 if they want to register

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** we give a 10 if they want to register we give a 10 if they want to register So, we give a, what do you call it, a grace period. That's why you're not, you know, people wait for the last bit of a lot of people. One thing while you're speaking of dogs, I thought Deb would be here tonight. Remember she talked to us the other day about bringing a dog to the vets out of town in Massachusetts? Yeah. And they give, even though her dog had rabies shots, had the paperwork, she brought her dog to the vets in Mass, and they gave the dog another shot. So, we don't take that paperwork from Mass to give that dog another shot. I'm pretty sure that's the right language.

**Speaker 2:** Well, it had a valid rabies shot, but because it was exposed to the wild animal, they would not treat it without giving it another shot.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Which makes me wonder. I'm not sure if the shots are any better, good or not. Kind of like other shots.

Sounds like that's what they said. Well, what her thing was, what her thing was is, you might want to consider bringing your dog to the vets.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm not sure if that's the same case. So, but she did mention it. You have a technical shot and you get an accident, if you're in a home, if you're in a vets home. If I say yes. If I'm unconsciously, if I say no.

**Speaker 8:** No, I don't. I don't have any clue about this, but it's just a thought. When, once somebody registers a dog or dogs, whatever the case may be, at that point, can that just be added to their tax bill? No?

**Speaker 19:** It can't be a line item in the tax bill?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. I was just curious.

**Speaker 5:** Yeah, it would make sense, wouldn't it? In our situation in terms of the vets, we're closer to the veterinarians in Massachusetts. Sure. You know, so it makes sense for everybody in town to go. So, you know, well, it was just something she mentioned. I don't have dogs. Where's the next one? No, Anthony, that's like, yeah, 35 minutes.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah.

**Speaker 5:** That's where I go.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So, what's our next step in our dog ordinance? I do.

**Speaker 2:** I would have to wait until May 1st or September sometime before you can turn it over to the dog officer. And sometimes you want me to send out reminders at that point instead of just turning it over to them.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So, could you send out reminders now? They are late now, so send out the reminders. Because it all comes off the computer. Your dog needs a shot. The computer knows it all now. Yeah, if you can send it out, maybe 10 will come in. We got it. Okay, review and adopt transfer station monitor job description.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Ah, it's going to be hard.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So, we went over this at the last meeting. Everything good with it, so we could approve it and sign it. Well, Lori, could you put the signature statement?

**Speaker 2:** I didn't do it on the town and town descriptions. I guess I will.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah.

**Speaker 2:** I'm going to just wait until next week and sign it. Sign it. Unless you have a change for me.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No, I have no change.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'll read it. Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Review and adopt road commissioner job description.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Make them look. I didn't see my driveway. That's one change. Drive me enough. That's how he keeps his job.

**Speaker 4:** I'm going to bring your driveway up.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I am. We've got backside number 11 to the sidewalks when practical. Should we add sidewalks to the second paragraph on the first page? Is the road commissioner responsible to oversee the condition of the town road, school parking lot, firehouse, parking lot, town yard, recycling area, and sidewalks?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You're responsible for the sidewalks here. He's dying.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That was part of the grant. Yep.

**Speaker 5:** I get it. How do you do the sidewalk?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Do you have a snowboard? No. So I was asked a while back about an old sidewalk that even existed on the north side of the road. I said that. I got tired of it. Okay. There's someone said that the sidewalks are popping up. Yeah. And that wasn't. That the lady that walks all the time, I guess, goes to the lady. This is not a town sidewalk. Yeah. Next door to you, though. The other lady that walks. Yeah.

**Speaker 8:** To me? No, no. Oh, next door. To your neighbor. Your neighbor. I mean, there is buried sidewalk there. Yeah. I don't.

**Speaker 20:** I couldn't.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I didn't do this.

No.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I thought I was. Should the state address that? Yeah. There is. It's a pop-up. We bought it for whatever it was. Okay. I mean, hey, it's not my house. It's just going to go right. It's not existing. Yeah. It was a sidewalk. We were at the sidewalk. The sidewalk was all the way down to Grant. And it was the entire sidewalk. It was run over for so long. People didn't know it was there.

Right. You can see it in the old photo.

**Speaker 4:** It was the entire sidewalk.

**Speaker 12:** Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, if it was me, I'd go out there with my back over it. Then the guy from the state would stop and make a one-man deal. One-man over it. It was the next time.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Yeah. Lori, I think it was an old number nine that we didn't put in the new. Old number nine.

**Speaker 2:** Old number nine.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Old number nine. So I poured too long and short rain to make it thin. Can we take that out and we review this today? No. Can you show me how to add that? Add it in? Add it in. Okay. Okay. So is it okay to add the sidewalk to that first paragraph?

**Speaker 2:** Yeah. I don't see there's no sidewalk.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We need to talk about it. No one would know.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I would keep it on there.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So can I have a motion to it? Oh, John, you had something about this too, didn't you? The road commissioner?

**Speaker 21:** Are you putting the lawn?

**Speaker 14:** Yeah.

**Speaker 5:** Lawn is good. Well, I just kind of was hoping to get the lawn fixed. So it wasn't a $500 or $750 bill to the town every year. Yeah. Dave expresses concern that he didn't. He didn't really have time to do it. He was concerned about the roads. And I'm going to do it. And I'm going to make $500 so I'm not complaining. But in the same aspect, it's probably going to take me a couple hours, two, three-hour stops. So if that's something that I'll let the board agree on throwing in on this plate for the following year, I make a motion.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It was always done before by previous road crew. Okay. And then, like you said, the janitor took it over here just because he liked doing it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, one of the things I was thinking when I read that e-mail was I'd rather see the janitor than the road crew do it. So I did the numbers. It's $500. We can't look at it as what it costs when we pay someone. If we pay a person $30, now we get an insurance, blah, blah, blah. Let's just say it's $40, $45 now. $50 an hour, that's not going to cost the town. That means that it's $50 an hour, and whatever you're not doing, that's $50 an hour. It's like a business. Just like you were saying, if you're working on your truck, broke down, you're not selling firewood anymore, you double what that means. So when you look at it like that, the town, what we pay a person is not what it costs the town. It costs a lot more than that. And not to say you can't do it. I mean, you probably can't. You probably have time. This goes back, and I can get deep into this, too. It goes back to that third guy. Would it justify having a third guy if we did something like that, too, and got more jobs? I really think we should dig into that some more at a different time. Because there's a lot to it. There's timelines that are coming up. But you look at what you're charging, John, if you have four hours and $500, right? Or $125 an hour, that's a good price for a lot of scale. Yeah. If I pay him, I might save some. If they fall behind on their other work, and I said they would, but if they did, and we had to hire a guy out to come and do some of the work, grade the road or whatever, it would cost more. It's not a bad. I think it's really a good number. We're paying for our bucket, $500, to do that. On the other hand is, I look at the janitor, and I know that our other janitor was superman to get that. If you look at what the janitor does and what the school is responsible for, it wouldn't be a bad idea to talk to the school somewhere and say, would you like to suck up, not the lawnmower, but help us out with the driveway. We bought a driveway. We maintain everything. We solve that. We're here first thing in the morning. Can you help us out with cleaning it up and have the janitor do it?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think it reflects on the school. You see, a school yard like this, because right now, without a sign, nobody knows this is the town of property. It's called the school yard.

**Speaker 5:** He's got all he can do to get the snowmobile correctly. I don't. I don't.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And again, if I was just a hiring authority with the janitor, I would have the non-discipline. I still have to do this. They have not seen. We've asked the school many a times. The board and the principal, and I don't know who's in charge. But when you would ask and say, what's the description of a janitor, and they don't give you that, and then if it's just sleep in the floor, whatever he's getting paid, I'll sleep in the floor. I'm down here anyway. I don't work. It's a little tangled, you know, et cetera. Jobs belong to the school janitor. I know. And that's what I'm saying. It is a morning. I'm starting to go. I know. But it seems to me that the guy's making $20.90. He's got an hour over there, and he's got extra time during the day. He's only part-time. He leaves and comes back. When he has to stop all the way at a time, right, why can't he have someone come up there for two days in a row

**Speaker 5:** and clean it up, even if he did it 20 minutes a day?

**Speaker 11:** Right.

**Speaker 5:** You don't get around to having that meeting with the school janitor.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Understand. Understand. It's nice to get outside when you're away from all those janitorial things. Well, I understand what you're saying, Bill. It is. It's a place. But in this. Part of the discussion of these guys, I think it's a better idea. We've already got some doing it now. But in the future, if we're going to change that, it's more not just a school board. We should be talking about it. It should be that joint meeting that we're supposed to be having.

**Speaker 4:** I mean, even if it was in the job description, we're going to put it out today.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Just like John has said, it's hard to get someone to do the snowballing. You've got to argue with someone. It's everywhere. Every labor. I just like to say in the springtime, it's overwhelming. Your slow time is summer, if there is a slow time. Once I get all the green done, and then with this kind of ditching and putting colors in, I have to mow. I mean, it's just, it's not renting. And I think if you ask people, I think they're probably a lot happier seeing me fixing the roads than they would be down. I mean, if I left County Road the way it was a couple days ago, and you saw me down here fixing the lawn, I'd probably not be happy about that. Yeah. Yeah, how come all these people live on a mountain and all of a sudden?

Cheese. Well, yeah.

**Speaker 4:** Cooked cheese.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What's the...

**Speaker 4:** All the cheese.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So what do we do in the job description? Are we going to accept it like this?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You know, there's just so much more than the line years ago. I don't know how many more grants we have. We try to keep track of all the stuff and try to fill them out.

**Speaker 7:** Okay, Lord.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** All that stuff. All that stuff that goes on that I do now, that I didn't do when I started here. The repair work and maintenance of the equipment that I know got hired out before. Like, I do a huge amount of that. And that, exactly. I know you disagree. I don't know if you disagree with me today, but we've all had a little bit about this. The third conversation we need to talk about. Well, we've got to start somewhere. But if that's hard, we need to explore the page. Does that make sense? Yeah. Even if we... Hey, you're not going to be here for it, okay? In the future of the town, we need to look in the future and say... Because I know what it takes to train someone. In my field, it takes two to three years to even understand the business. So, you're going to say the same thing. It's not about calling a rope. It's about everything else. You have to train this guy. And it takes baby steps. Years, not months. I mean... Working on the roads is the most important thing. Obviously, that's what you're supposed to do. The equipment has to be run for me to do that. And I can tell you that now, the way things are nowadays, it's like daily. And when we have enough equipment, there's always something that's in there getting something done. You could almost have a guy stay back at the... Yeah. I mean, in fact, when Alan worked for the company, he did stay back. There's things that just never get done. There's always mandate patches on plows, and they never kind of get painted. Because in the spring... I mean, when you do that in normal highway departments, at a pay road, you know, they're in the garage, they're not ready to get paint in there. Yeah. Wow. And I'm not trying to keep the town together. There's a big difference.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** If we know of anybody that wants to work for the town.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I know people, but they're going to want as much as I get in an hour of work. One of the things we should advertise, we don't have to hire. We're putting it out there. We're actually looking around the school site. And yet, I understand wages is plus-up.

**Speaker 5:** This is paid based on experience. Yeah. It's a plus-up. Give them a 60-day trial period.

**Speaker 4:** Just hire somebody for like half-time for now, wouldn't that? Yeah. It's a device. I mean, I've done that.

**Speaker 12:** Part-time.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It was kind of, you know, I had part-time people in the summer. And yeah, you walk out every now and then. But even running them over is not... Right. You know, you're always searching for music. You know? I'm not going to tolerate some of it. Huh? But it's something, it's a discussion that I think we should look into deeper. We've talked about it before. You've tried it before. You know, I'm not saying it didn't work. It probably worked to a point. You know, maybe it doesn't have 70% work. We have to... I think it's a good thing to look out. There's... Maybe the right person will come on. Losses and minuses. And I obviously put a lot of thought into it. I mean, minimum... It's going to cost you $100,000 a year to have an employee. I feel like if we had a paving loan of $100,000 a year, that would cut down where we would need that employee. And then, you know, quality of life. There's so many benefits to starting to do something different. I'm looking a little deeper into it. I'm looking 10 years from now, where we at.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You're going to be gone.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, I'm going to leave tomorrow. Right.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We're lucky we found that you are in.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I was looking into it. You're helpful.

**Speaker 5:** Yeah, part of the job is you have to be able to show up within a half hour or something like that. Well, I think that's... Dave looks 15 minutes up the road.

I think that's going to be a big problem. It's one of those jobs. I think that's going to be a big problem. Like in my shoes, both of them to me.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm the one that has to basically be away. It's my responsibility. I have to know what the other is going to do. I mean, I can't just go to sleep at 7 or 8 o'clock at night. I'm going to be freezing to death at 9 o'clock, even if I was on the road at 3 o'clock in the morning. So I think that's going to be one of those things where you're going to need extra people just because nobody's going to want to do it. It really is.

**Speaker 5:** Well, that's where we were kind of... I don't know if everybody else agrees with that, but you're in a position where you've got the gears in, and you know what's going on. You can almost step back, take a little bit of weight off your shoulders, put it on somebody else's shoulders, tell them, go do this. You've got to go do that. Yeah. You've got to do that. You've got to do that. Yeah, it's hard to do that.

**Speaker 22:** It's hard to do that.

**Speaker 5:** You do the great stuff. I can retire.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I can retire. I trust you. Now. I've got to go check and see how it's going. It's hard to do that. But there's... You know, and I don't... This is a discussion that gets us down. I don't know how I feel about your second command and so on. Like, if you want to do something, you say, okay, I'm going to... You're responsible for this other guy we just had. You got to let... It's hard. But 10 years from now, you're going to go... You're like, you're really... Not that you don't care, but it's not your responsibility anymore. Now, we still have to have somebody that will let it go, too. It would be nice if we could train somebody in a position. I disagree with you. I think the job needs to be... Well, I'm afforded pay for that. You know that. I know it's in front of money. It's going to be hard to get people on board with it. I can just see the writing on the wall. It's one of those things that will prevent a lot of them from showing up. Well, that could be a problem. That could be our future. That's what I don't like. No. All this could happen.

Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We could get to a point where we go, we can't find them anymore. You know, now what? Up to the break, people. I mean, how much money can you make right now? Who's up? I'm an orange maker. I'll tell you that I've had...

**Speaker 23:** It's got to be more than someone that's into it.

**Speaker 4:** You have to travel.

Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Double the money.

One of the... One of the...

**Speaker 4:** That's the part that a lot of people have to do this in the future.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Correct. We say to the contractor, follow me with only two inches of snow. Well, at Margo, she's got six inches of snow. Do they know this?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Do they know the individual?

Like Mike was saying, it takes years.

**Speaker 4:** It takes years to find somebody that's invested in it. Yeah. It needs to be someone that's really... Can we move on?

**Speaker 24:** Can we move on?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The job description road commissioner to...

**Speaker 1:** Motion to accept.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Second.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All in favor? With the sidewalk putting it on. Job description for highway department labor. Basically, it's the same as Dave's job. Any reports to Dave?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Do you have to put anything in there for a sidewalk panel?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay. Motion to accept. Second.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All in favor?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** All in favor.

**Speaker 3:** Can you get in your rhythm? I want you to go... Go quick and also I can justify...

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Review invitation to Merck garage.

**Speaker 2:** So, you should all have that invitation to get into the public grade. Dave took a look at it, gave me the measurements. We added a no-control door opener to it. I guess my question to you is how are the dates? We have it in the box, but I don't know if you have it. Thank you, sir. We're completed by September 15th. The grant actually gives us until December 20th, 2026. Dave's hoping to get it done this summer. Right.

**Speaker 5:** Do you have any events back in?

**Speaker 11:** No.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right.

**Speaker 7:** Well, that's all right.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't... You can always change this later, but we didn't get anybody here. Is that right? Yeah. Just put your time on it. If you get it done this year, it's going to benefit us. I'll go along with this.

April 17th, we'll put it on.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** All right. Thank you. Thank you.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

**Speaker 2:** I guess there's still a... I mean, we've got national forest coming and...

**Speaker 7:** Yeah, if we wanna wait until your first meeting, we're just open the .

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And you know . What about .. I typically hire ... die stage.

**Speaker 5:** When we get back,

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** we're gonna... now that Nancy didn't ask me to put that in her emails. Let me ask you, what's the work, is that a grant?

**Speaker 2:** No, it's Energy Resiliency Program.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And the things you have to jump through to get this grant, well, historical,

**Speaker 2:** oh yeah, preservation, archeological studies. They did a study on the ground to determine where it would be more energy efficient and gave some things that could be repaired and then they offered grants to repair them.

**Speaker 5:** Sounds amazing, they need Elon Musk. So this is dated March 24th, but really it's going out tomorrow or next week?

**Speaker 2:** Yeah, that's when I did it, so March 24th, it doesn't matter anymore. Yeah, if you guys are happy with it as is, we'll put it tomorrow.

**Speaker 5:** Hopefully these guys get back to it when they intend it. Do you wanna extend that to maybe? I don't know, they follow me, they didn't want it to be.

**Speaker 2:** They, or whatever they want to be.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They should be able to do it. Yeah, they did a big check, a couple months.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** She's gone.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, don't worry.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Are you hot?

**Speaker 10:** It's a little hot in there.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Open that door, open that door, I don't care. Well, you got your sweatshirt.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I know, I know, I'm sorry. I don't know, I don't know. Give Pete a drink of cool water there.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, give him a drink. So we-

**Speaker 1:** You gotta, you can't mock it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's why I'm getting hot.

**Speaker 10:** Yeah, drink some water.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Sign in tomorrow or whatever you give me. Something about resignations before you have.

**Speaker 4:** And then the ones with the,

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** well, these are the effort ones.

**Speaker 5:** It was pretty well.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Why don't you jump over to Tom's one? I just, I don't have traction, that's for sure.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All right, you wanna go back there and then we can-

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, I have something to deal with. You can jump over.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Let's jump over. Okay. This is a resignation from Conservation Commission member, and then we have one from Pete Greenbush from-

**Speaker 5:** Same thing.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Conservation, yep.

**Speaker 5:** And that's like mainly about like invasive plants and- Coffee all.

**Speaker 15:** That's not all of it, but yeah, it's along those lines.

**Speaker 4:** That one's too hard. I'm sorry, I don't know if you have to do that. No, no. Okay. I'm sorry.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm sorry. I don't have the capacity.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'm sorry. Okay.

**Speaker 1:** Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** All right. That's good. Can you please say the names of the people who were in that? I'm sorry.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'm sorry. Okay.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So this is the next question. Can I have a motion to accept both of these with regret?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yep. Yes. Here are the letters of interest. Oh, we've got letters of interest. Who's interested? Lisa Gardner. She's interested in becoming a member of the Conservation Commission. And? Is that from Pete? Who's interested? Okay, Nancy, let's say I am very interested in the decision and leave my background in geology and long time life of recording the geology of Stamford and making the committee to Lawrence encourage me to send this note to you.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I would like to wait at least one meeting out there for other people because we have the regulations today.

**Speaker 15:** Well, it's a seven person board so that just brings you to six.

**Speaker 25:** Oh, okay.

**Speaker 15:** Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I have a motion to appoint the board.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So what are we down to now? Two? There's four on it now?

**Speaker 4:** How many seats do we have?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. So Margaret resigned, Lisa resigned, Peter resigned. So we have Sheila. Sheila and Dave. Sheila, Pete. Oh, no. Sally and Irene are still on. So we have one. We have four members. So we have three seats.

**Speaker 2:** I don't drink. Point to tonight.

**Speaker 5:** Really? Elise is here.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Did you finish your motion to accept the motion? With regret.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay. So we're going to do the second. Second.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Second. Second? Second. Second. So do we want to appoint them?

**Speaker 26:** What are you guys going to do?

**Speaker 4:** Yeah. You should . And if someone is still on that seat? And there's still an open spot. Anybody wants to sit on that board?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I have a motion to appoint those two candidates. Second? Oh, that's a great question.

**Speaker 4:** All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Have fun. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

**Speaker 26:** Thank you.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you.

**Speaker 4:** Thank you.

Thank you.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** have fun review and sign warrants and town election

**Speaker 2:** we need a warrant short and sweet no time in the night before we just speak for the election

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** you have any numbers they have to have informational meetings australian oh yeah i don't know then the next day is the vote we just want to get out of there

**Speaker 1:** i wouldn't make that motion to sign this is um just to elect the following officer

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** lister three-year term lister two-year term lister one-year term

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** oh you're signing the meeting yeah

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** this was voted at town meetings to have elected lister so we're following through with that now how are we going to advertise for this election are we going to jump on the school and mail it with them are we going to put it in the newspaper so if we include this warrant in with the school probably a yellow or pink piece of paper so it'll stand out from their warning we should mail it

**Speaker 27:** the thing is we have no idea when they're elected

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** we didn't put any money in

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** and then if that's the worst overage that you have to be here so be it right and then gotta take training pay is negotiable so

**Speaker 2:** the laws are here we're going to do that last time

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** officially okay he was the first who resigned first

**Speaker 10:** so we're going to replace mara's and then pete's four-year term who do we want to

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** appoint we read nancy's first

**Speaker 10:** lisa's first

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** lisa's first

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** lisa garner

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** and pete's first

**Speaker 28:** they were left out

**Speaker 7:** by obstetrics

**Speaker 23:** for celebrities

**Speaker 4:** go for three i really wish that the select board would reconsider right now

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** about appointing anybody else and just look at the reservation letters and spoke to the people who were resigned i think it's extremely important i'm not going to say enough before you came in i had a cooperator we've had a conversation yeah i agree with you it's important it's an ethical issue it's important we want to extend that还

**Speaker 12:** itself right it's a violation of the ethics and i assume you 100 so that's something that i brought

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i'm going to ask this board down the road to have an executive session on the next meeting to address all of that you want to correct the problem yeah have them come in have a hearing whatever you want to call it and say hey look is there there's

**Speaker 4:** issues i mean i just i know you guys spoke about it and i'm sorry i was late but oh it's like i'm

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** kind of it's not what's best for stamford i really do again these people these three people

**Speaker 23:** that we're referring to right now are three of the best people that have happened in a long time on these boards and so it's disheartening that this happened well we uh i'm not saying the ethical

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** part of it um there's a process and oh i know the chronicle can do the process i'm talking about even above and beyond that the rules and regulations of our boards should be addressed on all our boards and we should we've already talked about talking and more language and this has to it has to stop yeah the good old boy now let's go

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** um so i make a motion well to amend the motion for the appointments they're four years each

**Speaker 10:** oh they're about four years yeah four years

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** lisa went into marta's and nancy went into and we have a whole one over there anyone's interested

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** you could do conservation commission and lister it's not a catholic interest and the list

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** okay um kurt school board joint school board meeting did we was i supposed to do that or are

**Speaker 4:** you going to ask about that i asked number yeah i thought cindy was going to reach out to you or you know i thought she was going to reach out to me she didn't go on chair yes

**Speaker 24:** they were working on budgets and so maybe i'll wait until yeah i was i was thinking more towards

**Speaker 4:** later in the spring or whatever

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** right okay anything else under discussion lauren no the correspondence we reviewed the residences

**Speaker 2:** we sat down with the agency of transportation people to go over our spring they can do our budget and go over information and so we have the annual financial plan that you guys sign every year our certificate of compliance for the town road and bridge standards and then we have our municipality of stamford road and bridge standards all of these um to take a look at and sign can you sign them they went over these the

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** other day guys second second all in favor all right while we're signing that i think that's the first one to ask or we can go over the oldest and stuff but what i want to mention is before i forget is the bylaws when we take a look at these bylaws and the work they put in there's some emails that were sent to us also from members of the planning board that we should read and while you're looking at those bylaws there's laws in place and there's email correspondence back and

**Speaker 11:** forth that'll help you uh yeah our fans of things look over them their requirements the other day

**Speaker 5:** one from dave and one is dave's letter was like ancient the letting the lettering was like from 1962 or something like that yeah um and i think it referred to more of the uh signage like when you enter the town i was just welcome to stamford's you know what his letter was referring to was that

signage doesn't really um include town signage and then lisa reached out and you know got some

**Speaker 5:** feedback from the guy and he actually explained you know the difference between but yeah it's

**Speaker 13:** worth a read if you guys haven't read it yeah it will help you you know it should give you more

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** insight on yourself where we've gone and hard work that i've put into it

**Speaker 5:** lori and i have been working on some bids from people to put up a sign signage with the old you know respected members of the community here now if you want to chime in on this does it make sense to wait new sign bylaws and then have a chance to put up a larger sign old signage keep in mind the new sign square then what we're currently trying and our budget is eight hundred dollars and she's got a price of a thousand for one for another one so there's an issue of money how those signs want to old sign to square footage new sign of square footage and also the sign to um

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** well one of the things i think we should definitely make sure that we can look at the bigger one not that we would go that but we have to wait at the final minute i think i get the feds i'm all for

**Speaker 13:** and doing it correctly so there's nobody's complaining but this is going to be a one-time

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** last forever thing again yeah at least as long as i'm around but i would like to make sure that we if you were to get the bids down i don't want to have a problem with that but if it was 800 for a small one a thousand for the next one 1600 for that i will definitely donate money you know i've already said this in a prior meeting i thought we had some house that said

**Speaker 1:** we were going to donate all this donation so some of that money

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** not five bucks i mean i'm going to make hundreds of dollars to for this cost so i'm not worried about money don't worry about going over budget

**Speaker 10:** but i'll get bits don't call the people that are bidding that but okay so what's the number

**Speaker 6:** the first sign was the gray one the old one we took down it was a quad square feet

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** then sign number two was a big one that said stamford established

**Speaker 5:** you know there's an issue with that sign or laurie it's gotta be double-sided or not

**Speaker 6:** right

**Speaker 4:** able to go back off so 64 square feet is is the number three right

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** this is i don't think we should use either of the all size oh number one or old goldının number two number three

**Speaker 11:** So the new Bible, we should get a bid for a new sign, just new, so we don't have to do 64, no, up to 64.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I still want to consider the possibility that we take the most recent old sign, number two, throw it up on a bill, and put it on the front page. I'm all for it. I'm all for that. We can do that, too. I do that.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** But we know number two cannot go back up. As a real sign. On a bill that we want. We couldn't even put letters. Yeah. Well, it's got to be for a particular.

**Speaker 5:** You've got to put it in a way that can be seen. It has to see what's here. It just said Stamford, but we need to know what's here at the bottom.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So, I mean, I personally think we should just move on from those signs. If Bill wants to have them put up on the front page. I like the idea on the side. Yeah, that is a beautiful sign. But. I think we should. That way, they're not stuck. Anybody's told. Moving forward. On the other side of that, though, I also. Very nice sign.

It's up to you guys. It doesn't mean. The old sign might be worth something.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** See, someone wants to put it. Historic thing if we ever come up with a building for that, which we tried. But you might want that. That old sign right now, we. Do we give it away or do we. So that we should be able to. But at this point. I think we've done. Get a sign up. I.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Try to find out where the town office is. He said I didn't believe my GPS. It was here.

**Speaker 26:** But I still.

**Speaker 4:** I still find that hard. To. I. I can't. Try to. To. You. To. You.

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**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** To. To. To. To. To. To. To. To. To.

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**Speaker 4:** To. To. To. To. To. To. But it's all under chapter 10. And David might have it even in the DOP.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, Jim, I went to 251 towns in Vermont. And some of the town offices were pretty hard to find. Because I had to take a picture of the snowfall that had a town called Collin down.

**Speaker 4:** Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** But.

**Speaker 12:** You got a new one there?

**Speaker 4:** I actually went up and measured from the sign line to where the sign can be where it starts. And I kind of dug a little trench right there. But it's probably. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Did you get permission to dig a trench there? It's probably about three feet above where that flower garden starts.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Because Lauren's got some AOT sent some measurements from.

**Speaker 4:** From AOT?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. The fellow that was here the other day sent them down.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So 25 feet from the center. 24.9. South and about 28 and a half.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Did I hear 18? Wait a minute. I thought I heard 18. 18.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What is the right one? So it's a little angle. It's on a little angle.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** 18 or 24.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So there's change. From the center? So it's in the center. From the center. 12 feet or something like that. 25 feet from the center on the south end.

**Speaker 4:** I think that's closer to the sign you took out.

So that's exactly what I measured, 25 feet. And then it's closer to the sign you pulled out. And it puts it closer to the road to the sign. Well, the waste is not in resources, it's close.

**Speaker 4:** Not to mention it was. It was a sign that was up there, and we don't have to put town offices on the sign that's up there. We can put Sanford, Vermont, like you want to, on a triangle, and it allows you to put any other signage under that door, like a placard. It would be nice that, you know, town offices, and...

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, that's when they were putting up signs, too, I said, where's the library, school, whatever. I said, where's the school, the town office? Oh, we're going to hang them under the gate. Because they didn't think of that, either. It was... If you get too close to the project. But, yeah. I think it's too far back, and you're not going to see it. Right. Yeah. Right. I mean, yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It makes just huge concepts. If we could.

Right now. Please. What did you say earlier tonight?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** How is that now? How am I going to sign this thing? There's three steps. There's three steps. There's three steps. There's three steps. There's three steps. There's three steps. There's three steps. There's three steps. There's three steps. There's three steps. There's three steps.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Yeah. I have a motion to sign.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I am aware of the bonito. I'm exhausted over it.

I agree with you.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I made a motion to exp finals on a website with punto. Yeah. Where's the time or resources?

No. December 9th.

**Speaker 4:** Do we have an old business? Do we have a国 saw iI checking in bool ade

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And you have a motion to sign an overweight permit from Barry.

**Speaker 4:** Is that your opinion?

Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. Yeah.

**Speaker 12:** 0.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** 0.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** 0.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes, sir.

**Speaker 10:** 0.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** 0. So.

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**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** 0. Yeah.

**Speaker 6:** They're a trucking, a sell-off.

**Speaker 21:** It's a cash $10 check.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Americans. We're getting more now than we ever had.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They're not asking for it anymore.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All their insurance.

Fell down, broke up in three different places. Two different channels. Let's run it right across the street. Unfortunately.

**Speaker 4:** Eric, it has to be . No, it's not my land either. I'll fix it if you put it on NRCS. I'll fix it if you put it on NRCS. Did you ask for it?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Old business. I have old business, which I hate to bring up, but we got a phone call from the resident on Frechette Road. What are we gonna do about his water? I said, we sent you a letter. Is your call over?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's over. I'm sorry.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's over.

**Speaker 1:** Done. We're doing nothing there.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And we are not plowing. We are not plowing Allen Hill Drive because that is not a town road, okay? I will get back to him and let you know. New business, Lori. I got an email from our emergency management director, Bob Briggs, saying that there's going to be a training in Manchester, Vermont on April 28th. And this is to understand how the incident command system works. And I suggest this class is good for any new leaders in town, including select board members, managers, administrators. So if anybody's interested in going, I will forward the email to the board and to you, Lori.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay, brief reminder. This is the thing we've talked about for five or six or 10 or 12 years. You have no authority as selecting to sign off on the emergency plan without having attended. Sorry. Something similar to this course. Somewhere as maybe 15 years ago or more, the point is, Nancy attended it. Nobody else on the select board has taken a comparable course than you, perhaps Doug has. But to have an appreciation of what responsibility you have and the who fits the plan, what you're responsible for, what the select board is responsible for, and as well as it is to enforce PILD and VEE or whoever at your training, we were gonna do that online here and set it up and it happened so now. But if we can set it up, remember we talked about this? If we can set it up here and have the computer set up here, it'd be beneficial because to drive to Manchester for something that's on the board is very difficult.

**Speaker 3:** Can't you take it?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm sure of course you can. I'm sure of course you can take,

**Speaker 3:** if I take a PILD course like that.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** This would be a long time. You can take them online. The intention was that it's considered as, you know, given here, with the screen here, you could get several people qualified at once. And if there are questions, you can share. You mentioned this, many people must have a year to mention it. And if you get around to it, and Bob Briggs can't sit in on it, I do it. Yeah, but I have no problem with it here. What is the basic one? If I want to take it myself. 101. 101? Yeah. Go ahead. Probably 100. What? Probably not 100, but if you go to the state emergency management website, you can get a link to the course.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It would be an ICL 402 summary for executives. The purpose of this course is to provide an orientation to the Incident Command System for Executive, and Senior Officials. I just nailed it wrong.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The ICL 400 is a minimum, if you'd be all right to sign all five of these things.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. New business. For next meeting, we should start looking at the employee handbook, because that's way outdated. And another policy is the social service policy. I can have Lori send them to you. And we can review, and we can discuss at the next meeting, and start reviewing them and getting those up to date. And anything else under new business. And we need to go into executive session regarding pending or probable civil litigation.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** About time.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So make a motion to go in.