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title: "Stamford Select Board — February 6, 2025"
date: 2025-02-06
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# Stamford Select Board — February 6, 2025

**Session:** Regular · **Duration:** 69 min · [Audio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5FU9ysJh7M) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%202-6-25.pdf)

**Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Douglas Wright, Michael G. Denault, Kurt Gamari

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**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The reason why I asked this, I was going to have another follow-up question later on, but I can ask it now. We've talked about joint meetings way back. You said you said something's on your head, or something's on your head. I know we're after the budget time, but has that, have you heard anything at all yet? Yeah. So my other question is, and I'm full of questions tonight.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh, boy.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Has everyone on the board, have you? Has everyone on this board met the principal? No.

**Speaker 1:** I haven't met her.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay, and I haven't either. And I thought way back when the principal was hired, we asked, you know, to invite her here and introduce ourselves. I thought it would have been easier for her to come here individually and try to introduce herself. But I was talking to one of her school board members. She's at every school board meeting. Might be a good time for us to follow up on that. We'd like to introduce you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'd like to work with them and get those budget, or those joint meetings back again so we can talk about the things we were talking about and move forward a little bit instead of just talking about it and getting a can down the road all the time. Those are, I think that's all my questions.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, to meet the principal, that was with the, with Mr. L., Randy, wasn't it?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, no, I know when she came. And we never. She, when I know when she came on, too, I'm pretty sure I mentioned it would be nice to, you know, talk to her. Talk to the new principal and introduce ourselves and start a new relationship with the principal and there's a new school board that we have. There's at least two new school board members that we have not had a joint meeting with those people. Right.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So that's good. So now we're going to have a problem.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So we're going to have, in March, that's about a year. And it just seems like if we, we have all these things we've talked about and now we have these new people, including our board, we have new people. It would be nice. It would be nice to, I mean, I know you've been to a lot of meetings, but, you know, John and Doug, or John and Doug have it in, you know, the school board meetings. It would be nice to introduce them to what we were talking about during those joint meetings, right down to, you know, the snow removal and stuff like that.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So do you want me to set something up with the principal to come here? Or what way? Wait for the election.

**Speaker 2:** So there's going to be.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And start a joint meeting there right now.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Wait for the new board. But if we, and that's only a month from now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And say we want to wait until we have the elections, but then maybe we can have a joint meeting and that's when we can meet them. Right. We don't have to have her come here especially for that. But, you know, I just think it's important that we sit down in a school and talk to each other about certain, especially budget stuff, you know. But, you know, I guess you hear a lot of stuff on the street. Okay. And some of it's rumors. over BS and nothing is done on the street or on Facebook it gets done sit

**Speaker 2:** down and do something I just want to see that the superintendent comes here to

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** every meeting I think and he seems like he's really in the old one didn't so

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** that'd be nice to have the superintendent at the same meeting we

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** need everybody all at the same time and he could say yes this budget or this charge on the school could be handled by the town because there's something

**Speaker 3:** you can't move over I don't want to get into all this rumor stuff

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** but I had a person come down the shop the other day and said something about holy crap the taxes are going to go up again the select board you know is spending too much money on it and I didn't want to throw the school under the bus but I'm like you know we went up I think it was less than five percent for our total budget and especially the highway was less than that the school and I'm not blaming that on the board I'm saying we're up 13 and a half percent and it's going to go up again and they're yelling at us we have no control over that you know I mean think about it is cost of living went up under the government standards nine percent we all know that's a bunch of bull we know that went up more than that and we kept it down to the old five percent what else can we do you can't and I had this conversation a million times we can't regulate the cost of diesel and we can't regulate the cost of you know sand and salt those type of things are locked in there's insurance companies where we go wait to the American is there a cheaper liability insurance out there of course not at all

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** so I will let the principal know and a couple of the school board members that are still on that we'd like to set this up for

**Speaker 3:** a March meeting sure when when they're in it that's a good idea after the

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** election but you know we have all this new group but if we notified now we might hear from them by that there's two open seats right yeah yeah yeah on the street or two open seats on this floor also it could definitely change but in the past when we tried to notify and the response seems to take a while this last time it hasn't even changed

**Speaker 4:** right right okay what else on those old conditions day any plan for the ripples

**Speaker 5:** in the dirt because I was coming up I did your road

**Speaker 6:** yeah you can't grade the rope alert

**Speaker 5:** there there's no way you're cutting the gravel in the winter time no and if you

**Speaker 7:** did as soon as it would just I'll make mud that's I'm sorry but it's okay thank

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** you

**Speaker 8:** thank you now another issue now okay quick the snowmobile trail that was supposed to be up for a shelf for the going out plowing all the way close from class 3 class 4 by runs by where runs all the way to the high tensions is

**Speaker 9:** clouded there's no shelf on the side and that's the snowmobile trail and remember I asked that was that was on the landowner right you guys allowed him to

**Speaker 10:** here

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** that I don't think the the town has a policy for leaving shelfari stone you know rim he said he was gonna do it yeah yeah and I see a little snow on the road yes yes because in fact aromatic grass Magic you did i remember you asked him and he said yeah we'll we'll do that but i mean i don't think the town itself says you have to leave i mean you know i respect you but i don't think the town has a policy that says hey you have to leave the shelf for snowmobiles nor do i believe that it's that actual designated snowmobile trail by who who designates it kind of stamford we need to drive 264

**Speaker 5:** dollars in the main quarter

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** so would vast have a machine that can put that extra shelf on the side or something

**Speaker 5:** out from your room right okay that's the reason why i asked to leave the snow there

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** yeah i remember saying so i mean maybe you can reach out to brian and say hey can you can i drive

**Speaker 5:** through your yard yeah right right i mean you don't want us to drive over people's yards

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** yeah they're not plowing with the gravel there's a small bag on the road yeah and that's as good as you're going to get i think some of those go right to blackhawk to get from here today yeah there's no way you can do two ball things in the half or so you know you're gonna have to walk the road you know yeah i think um i'm one of those guys that looks at policies i have to look and see what our policies are for both things um he's plowed in the past and there's never an issue

**Speaker 2:** what the issue is now he's gone farther i think that's why farther back on the road or no far

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** they're up the road so i don't even know i know there's there's two people that plow there one is a couple from boston and they only go up to the first camp on the left pass where it stops and not only you know what brian did last year and now he is so i would say that the snowmobile trail starter is less important than the people that own the property access and they're probably

**Speaker 11:** right the only uh probably just the beginning it's probably just the beginning anyway excuse me they are seasonal right

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i think yeah they're taxing you okay it's only a matter of time before um and we do have a policy allowing that on the plot right so what we told them i think we signed that contract better time

**Speaker 12:** before it's developed all the way around who's the other one just changing clausen i would say

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** not to complain before you just can't use it we're making an issue okay yeah we'll i'll look and see if there's anything we can do with the powers that i don't think we can

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** well we've got that we're going to review and sign the road following agreement tonight for for java to drive it forward what else dave and i'm going to uh harp on this again but it's the lost control against for vlct can we do one or two things again this year there's a couple easy ones on there i think one is uh peter smoke detection can we put a smoke is there no smoke detector in there do we need one

**Speaker 13:** and workplace posters yeah we need the workplace posters on that

**Speaker 12:** yep or he's just got to print those out try one and you know get them up there and yes we did one

**Speaker 14:** can they just be batteries they don't have to be hardwired into this well i mean we did order the

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** i want that i washed it yeah but that was last year let's try one i know dave let's try one this year show that we are in good faith trying to do it yeah okay okay thank you and i want i'll watch

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** one day thank you say yes ma'am i'm just going to keep adding slowly well let's get some i don't want to keep you guys here all night but if you read what's coming up just like kurt said and they'll hey look they're gonna step right in and say oh you guys can't handle this we'll take care of this we'll take care of that you know we just talked about the listeners we'll take care of that we'll be your listeners and once you do it you're never getting it back

**Speaker 2:** for every four to six years i had email exchange about people talking about the land that we lost

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** okay way back way back where my campus up in risky metro land went to natural forest right well we're gonna get it back really the water right yeah really okay you're gonna go to town forest give us the land back good luck i mean they'll bury you in court for the rest of your life yeah they they're not giving the land back guys i'm just telling you it's not gonna happen but every time we let the state step in and do a little bit here a little bit there it's gonna take more simple as that and people love these free things oh we're getting a grant that's great let's let the state do this let's say do that be careful that's all i can do know warn and care for i agree yeah and then if you get used to it and then they take it away it's even worse school gets used to getting money from the state and then they take it away how do you run it

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** mine is the the absentee ballots keep the state it right out of it right okay if you wanna have everybody have absentee ballots pay the clerks let them do the work and ask and get off your duff

**Speaker 2:** and say i want to ask you to ballot the state government big brother let's take care of that

**Speaker 3:** we're on tv right jim yeah thank you there it is okay

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** all right it's an opinion you don't like it

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** yeah review and sign revised requests for 2024 grant in a grant of payment lori's got some background on that we because we signed it and thought we were getting paid meanwhile

**Speaker 15:** ways ago for the whole grant amount i submitted it and the state realized that the bcrc work that they did was a week past the grants deadline so they do not want to pay the thousand dollar reimbursement for the bcrc to work so now instead of getting the full ten thousand dollar grant we're only getting three thousand for the their state you know up to zero percent figure all that picture is uh it's pretty amazing resource management back the state it's pretty incredible background kind of approach some kind of greenropolis if you want to slap down the action going to get $9,300 plus we have to pay for VCR we still have to pay for the VCRC yeah so I had to pull the VCRC bill out of the request for reimbursement and I

**Speaker 16:** have a new one for you to sign. I guess this is a follow-up to what I was just talking about

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** you can't fight him. What are you going to do? Take him to court? What a lawyer to cost you $1,000 a year? No, but we can talk to the state rep. I hear he's coming down to visit our town. Our rep is coming here and we should talk to him.

**Speaker 3:** The state gives us all the salary. It is this week though isn't it? Yeah. He's supposed to be here more than one time.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Sadly every month. Nice. So we're supposed to do this right and then they give us so they give us some money to do it and then the mediator between the town and the state who legitimizes the whole thing does it a week late. He, she, whatever they didn't do their job. Well they did. Well it's like it was late right? Yeah. So we're punished for their tardiness. Yeah. We're punished for their tardiness but we don't even we didn't even send in the paperwork for the whole thing until December so what does it matter?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right. It doesn't matter. So do you want me to call Jonathan Cooper and see what he can do about it?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't know why not. It's ridiculous. Somebody needs to, it's ridiculous. They're penalizing us for nothing. Realistically they used to pay the BCRC themselves but then for some reason or another decided that they wanted us to pay them so they gave us the money. And then we get reimbursed. If it was on time we would have gotten reimbursed for us paying them. But normally. Instead of just paying them. But normally up till this year like last year and the previous years they would just pay the BCRC. It's almost like they're hoping for it to be late. Because they wanted them to do it. Because like I said it legitimizes the whole thing because otherwise I could inspect my homework say it's all good.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well it's, yeah.

**Speaker 14:** And then we get the money.

**Speaker 15:** So and then we complain to the state about it and I'm sorry it's tough but that's what it is. There you go. There you go. She couldn't even spell tough to you without that.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Tell them you didn't spell that right so we get their letters and we're still not paying them. Who's going to have this day? You make the money. I think we should.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You owe us our state rep when we get there.

**Speaker 15:** Do you want a two-sided reimbursement form tonight or do you want a living?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Let's hold off until we get to Summit Railway.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You sure? Wait a minute.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It says it's got to be in by December 30th.

**Speaker 2:** Don't forget about it, okay?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well if we talk to him and we can get more and we can get a new letter, you know.

**Speaker 15:** Do you want to sign it and not send it in?

Wait. You sure? Yeah. That way if you know in a couple of days that we can choose to send it in or not as opposed to.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right.

Yeah. There you go. Yes sir. Yes you. Thank you. Thank you. I'll be back.

**Speaker 15:** Thank you. Bye. Right.

Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you. Bye. Thank you. Thank you.

**Speaker 15:** Bye. Okay. So is there a review and sign of the road plowing agreement? So he comes to the last meeting, Brian Jowick. Talked to you guys about it. You approved it. He came in and signed it and paid it for . So now it's just a matter of you guys signing it. Well, just going to . Okay. We want to sign it. We're done. You're all good? Yeah.

Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. And it means that you could pull that, I don't know what the following review had said.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think it's just, did it say how they had to plow or anything?

**Speaker 15:** It says do anything in this back end. If there's damage to your live bone, it doesn't say anything about how you want to do that.

It's still in the middle of the road. It's great. You don't have to get others from using that road any time. It's perfect.

**Speaker 5:** It's real.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're off the bus.

And you have your certificate of insurance. Yep.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you. I gave you a second one.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, that's all mine.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's all yours.

Recycling.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You don't like this kind of thing?

Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Recycling. Did I say something on Facebook that Dream Green is coming? We'll do free pickup at Stamford. This weekend?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, free pickup, but you've got to pay for those items.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh, okay.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But that's still, if you've got something, we don't pay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Free pickup, but still pay.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** All mine.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Discussion. Review, renew, and appointment. So, right after the election in March, we usually review the appointed officers and appoint them. Okay. Okay. And then we re-appoint the vacancies. Lori, we've done a couple different things in the past. We've said if anybody's interested in filling these vacancies, let us know. And what was the first, what did we used to do, and then what did we do last year?

**Speaker 15:** So, sometimes you just re-appointed everybody who had, was already in the slot. You just re-appointed them, automatically sent them a letter of thanks. You re-appointed them. Then one year, you said, you're re-appointed, but if this is not something you'd like to do anymore, let us know. Last year, before March, you sent out letters asking people if they would like to be re-appointed, because their term is up. And if they didn't respond, they didn't get appointed. We consider them that. You consider them not interested. So, you did have some vacancies that you weren't used to having. And people did come later on, wanting to be re-appointed. There was confusion of people who thought they were appointed, and there were.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think I like the way that you did it last year. Send them out, say your term is expiring in March of 2024. Is there interest in being re-appointed? Let us know. By March 6th.

**Speaker 14:** This list has so much information. This list has so much information. If you want 2024 and 2025, which ones are up? If you want 2024 and 2025, which ones are up?

**Speaker 15:** Just the... 2024s? 2024s, if it's a one-year term, are going to be up in 2025. This was from last year's town report. This is a new one, hasn't been done. 2024 appointment would, if it's a three-year term, be 2027 now. If it's a one-year term, it would be up in 2025. If it's a one-year term, it would be up in 2025. So, we would do the 2024 appointment? 2025, right. 2025, right. Yep. Yeah, by March 6th, because that will be your first meeting after that election. Yeah, by March 6th, because that will be your first meeting after that election. Yeah, by March 6th, because that will be your first meeting after that election.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So, we're going to send a letter to them saying that you want to let us know.

**Speaker 3:** Do you want to do it that way?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If we don't hear from you, we assume that they're resigned. Yep.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Think that's the way we should do it, or go back the old way? It doesn't matter to me. It doesn't matter to me.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. If there's a mistake where they go, geez, we didn't get to you or something, they can come and say, hey, while you're appointing me, I'm going to do it. Okay.

Okay.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. right and we should hear from the children now now and then you know to have kind of a definitely we did like I'm talking with the school board same thing these are we appointed these people yeah I read the minutes of the planning board the zoning board I mean they don't meet very often but I do read the minutes and I see who's not there who's there and so on and I don't know if you guys are having a problem or not but it would be nice to have our you know the chairman of that board say everything's going good we're having issues there's a member that one of the appointed members is always causing trouble I'm not saying they are I'm just using examples to I guess I would like to have the board's almost kind of back on report once in a while we are we used to have like an all-board yeah yeah we are you know it's better than to hear it out on the streets again we're on Facebook going you know Lisa's causing all these problems and every time we go to talk she's going and I'm not saying any of that's happening and I know some boards can get a little cheated from our you know here and there that's good that's good sometimes you know that gets things done but on the other hand in the same person non-stop non-sla its statements and comes back to this board maybe we just won't reappoint them these are our cabinet our people said we want to tell them we're on and you know this board's what can change if we get elected in or out that's what

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** our duties are I think I think wasn't it the Planning Commission that said that if you didn't show up three times there wasn't it right so I think we made the

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** policy I think they were the ones that I know a I think this board is the only ones that really could make that policy. We're the ones that are appointed. How can the chairman of the planning board unappoint someone that we appointed?

**Speaker 2:** All they can do is come back and talk to us.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Come back and say, hey, this person hasn't shown up for three meetings.

**Speaker 14:** Well, in this day and age, we have to be more concerned if there's any conflict within these boards, right?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right, and that's the other thing. I'm not saying that it's just a three-time drought thing. I'm saying many items that we could be thinking about that might cause these boards not to do their jobs. I mean, there's people that serve on both the board and the board. Yeah, you know. Is it a conflict? Right, yeah. You could, especially, I believe that a zoning board and a planning board member talking about the item, this is no secret. Our sign went from the select board. To the planning board. To the zoning board. People of the same members were sat on these boards making those decisions. That's wrong. Yeah, exactly. That's dead wrong.

**Speaker 7:** You can't, the select board can't bring an issue to the zoning board and then sit on the zoning board.

**Speaker 14:** Well, I stepped down from the planning board because I didn't have to, I don't think. No, you didn't. Because I didn't want the perception of. Correct.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And I do believe that is to be perceived. And it had, and to me, this isn't Michael G. Denault's opinion now, when that sign, correct, went down, there were perceptions of this conflict involved. Don't you believe, I mean, maybe, I don't have to ask you what it was, but I'm just saying that I believe there was, when you sit there and you're on both boards, and the planning board sends it to the zoning board, that's not right. No, no, I don't agree with that at all. Or if we go back after the decision was made, we go back and we say, well, okay. Yeah. We're going to get you, we're going to do this, because we have the authority to change the rules, it just never happens.

**Speaker 14:** There's not a lot of boards here that draw conflict, but I would say the planning board and the DBA are .

**Speaker 7:** Yeah, yeah.

**Speaker 14:** There's no doubt about it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The select board, the zoning board, the planning board, I think are the three that really hit home to me. I mean, the select board, really, I don't see why we would be on any board, especially those that get paid.

**Speaker 14:** You should. I mean, even if it's not a conflict, Biden, I mean, that was all perception or appearance of a conflict, but I mean, that's anything.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You've got these vacancies, and you say change the rules, maybe someone, I mean, I've seen Dave step forward one time because we had a vacancy on his flight board, and said, I'd be proud to sit in that seat, and he did, but he didn't get in the way of running that when someone said, hey, I'm on a run, and he says, don't pay.

**Speaker 10:** One of the problems is we need a planning commission when we need it up.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. Sure.

**Speaker 14:** One of the problems is we just need more diversity. Right? Yeah. We draw from the same 20 people all the time. Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, that's what I'm saying. And that's the other thing, is all the stuff I'm saying, it's with the utmost respect of anyone that throws their hat in the ring. I don't care when losers draw, you throw your hat in the ring to be in this stuff. I mean, it's hard to lose someone. It's what we always call a thankless job. Yeah, I mean, you've got to say to people, hey, thank you. Thanks for getting involved.

**Speaker 14:** I mean, it's hard in a little town like this. People have known each other for 40 or 50 years, which are conversations that take place all over about this, that, or whatever.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I just would like to, you know, as we appoint people, keep in mind what we talked about. You know, if you have a whole list of people who want to get on the planning board, which we've seen in the past, and a couple of those people are on multiple boards, we might say, hey, look at it. We don't even have to ask. It's our decision to say, we're going to appoint this other person.

**Speaker 17:** I mean, we've got to be more vigilant about what we're doing, too,

**Speaker 14:** because the way I understand the ethics training is that we're ultimately responsible for any conflicts that may occur. Right. Anyway, I'm just sure.

**Speaker 12:** So if you send the letters out.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Dog license fee increase.

**Speaker 15:** I'm beginning to have people come to the window who have not heard that there was a change in the fees. So I guess I just wanted to... I'm going to make it public at a meeting, so it'll go in the minutes, that we have new fees. $16 and $20. $16 for your neutered or spayed and $20 for your real dogs.

**Speaker 14:** It doesn't say that at the end of our minutes in the little one or two, three things there. I think it does. I think it does.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't think it's got the fee, though.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Did you get a hard time or just that off? Throw it in there so you know what's going on.

**Speaker 15:** Yeah, they're okay with it, but...

**Speaker 14:** Throw it right in there? They're saying, no, it's coming up. You know what the payments are going to be due in April, right? Yeah. Just put a number, whatever, or at the end and say, these are the new fees. Don't forget that the deadline and due date is blah, blah, blah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And I'm glad that Clarksburg has your sign flashing, town, register your dog, tie it. Yes, because it's awesome.

**Speaker 3:** It reminds them.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, a lot of Stamford people see it. The ones that go the other way in Clarksburg don't see it.

**Speaker 8:** Can we borrow that sign? I have a question. I know we've got a raise, but... For some reason, I'm wondering, I think, who was in control of that white sign that has to do with the telephone company?

**Speaker 14:** I think the school.

**Speaker 8:** The school usually puts the letters up. Are you guys allowed to?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We used to. In the past, we could put some up, but...

**Speaker 8:** It doesn't really get used to that point. Every time we go through Clarksburg, I'm like, oh, yeah, the dogs. Yeah, the dogs.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So that's a great question to ask the principal. Look, it's not getting used. The school may have paid for it. Can we use it as town business, as notifications, as an informational thing? Yep, this is coming up. I'm sure that the principal would say, sure.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We've done it before. But if we miss something, like taxes are due, how come we didn't climb over the snowbank and put those letters up?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Put that in your minutes.

**Speaker 18:** That's the problem, though.

**Speaker 15:** Once you start it, if you don't get everything everybody wants up there, it becomes a problem.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah.

**Speaker 15:** Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Just tell people, you know, this is a courtesy. It's not a good thing, but it's a courtesy.

**Speaker 3:** Register your dog by taxes due by...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't understand why anybody would be upset. A perfect one. Yeah, I don't understand why you're upset when you go register a dog in a price war. When I go buy a beer in a price war, I'm like, give him the money. I'm like, whoa, I'm not buying beer now. I'm in it. And I guess I could. That's my choice, but...

**Speaker 19:** You could do it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Prices go up. No, no, no.

**Speaker 14:** Go ahead. No, no. Exactly. I mean, you're feeding the dog. The rate it went up is minimal. It's amazing. You just think it happened.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And you will see that we put in our warrant to set up a reserve fund for some of this extra money that we're allowed to collect to put in a reserve fund and to be used for if a dog is hit by a car. And Luke's got to take it to the vets. We don't know. We don't know who the owner is. And euthanized. We've had that before. And the vet made the decision. And it cost the town money. So we have this reserve fund. So...

**Speaker 14:** Or put the house a dog for three weeks.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. And not know who the owner is.

**Speaker 15:** And Luke is not doing a rabies clinic this year. Couldn't pull it together with the vets. So there's a Wilmington that's having one. And Powell is having one. March 8th. March 22nd. Didn't I see that in the minutes too?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Tractor supply does it every month.

**Speaker 15:** So I'll... Is tractor supply cost money or is it free? I don't know.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I've always heard people say it costs money. It does cost money. We've got leaders in the room. We've done that.

**Speaker 14:** But I don't know. Yeah. You don't remember. Right.

**Speaker 19:** How about you?

**Speaker 14:** You don't remember. So...

**Speaker 12:** Tractor supply in North Adams or Bennington?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** North Adams. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

**Speaker 20:** I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

**Speaker 21:** I don't know.

**Speaker 19:** I don't know. I don't know. Hum, I don't remember.

**Speaker 22:** I'm sorry.

**Speaker 14:** Did you sign for it last week?

**Speaker 19:** I think I've seen the sign. It's like Doug Washington or something like that. You know, .. I think they still do it. It depends on what their law is. Yeah, I think I saw it in the minutes.

**Speaker 14:** Did you put it in the minutes about the rabies clinic too?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** In Wilmington or..? I'm not sure. Somewhere I saw it. Did you put it there? Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think I saw it. analysery

**Speaker 14:** state should have them yeah they should they should take the whole dog right over take it off

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** okay um john wanted to review the mowing bits um you sent him to us he wanted to review the

**Speaker 23:** moment to pay the request yeah yeah right right i'm sorry yes right and i didn't email them to you

**Speaker 15:** and i put them in your boxes except for nancy can choose if it's anything else

**Speaker 24:** no i have it so uh we'll just leave that out there

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** yeah he is yeah yeah discussion uh doug has an update on the uh oh no i was gonna do it under there no lori has something

**Speaker 24:** vina will you even tell us about fema i didn't i don't know much about it i received an email

**Speaker 15:** just saying that our fema reimbursement for the july 2023 funding may be delayed with the federal government and all the changes that are being made so do we send a student that's being filed and i don't really know much more than that but i thought you guys should at least be aware if it affects our funding i'm glad we didn't budget

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** that

**Speaker 2:** we were going to receive it this year this is what i'm talking about you you know they tell

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** you you're going to get something and things change you got to be careful okay correspondence

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** uniform municipal excess weight permit from carroll concrete carroll concrete newport sand

**Speaker 15:** and gravel and the first one is this year your insurance information and money is motion take it

**Speaker 16:** good

**Speaker 14:** second

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** all in favor aye do they put this right in now in their favorite oh it saves you from typing it in good okay thank you sign review and sign nimrit assessor contract did we get that so this is a contract

**Speaker 15:** nancy sally and i sat down with john tiffany and reviewed it um picked what we thought the town should be doing or what nimrod needed to be doing we submitted it to the city council and they said we're going to put it in the contract we had some changes that they didn't put in but most of them they did put in um we decided it wasn't worth fighting over a couple of little items how about

**Speaker 18:** the fee per hour did that go up it's still 95 95 an hour would travel being 47.50 not everything's

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** going to be so yeah stay the same i think just inflated at the start of it we're exactly we got five years to play with that all right all right mark it up park it up i don't know if you want to

**Speaker 15:** go through with a lot of the itemizations of what we're going to do now we i trust that you guys

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** already beat this up can i have a motion to accept this uh what was the contract well 95 an hour and i think we figured last week about the same hours yeah yeah it's doing it about the same same hours

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** about to do the just

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** the yearly assessment not the reappraisal right now yeah okay so there's probably maybe no more than 20 permits or even have that much yeah we're sure we get more of this so it's going to be

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** thousands of dollars it's just not going to be hundreds of thousands of dollars we were close to

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** 100 000 last year right yes 75 or well if you put us sticky on there or even a self-reliant stamp a copy of this back now don't put your stamp on them they'll probably email it anyway did you do a motion for that or did you just agree uh can i have a motion to sign the contract motion all in favor any other correspondence old business um doug has an update on policy and

**Speaker 19:** code of ethics okay very well here um i called i actually have gone through the uh website several times and uh i also called up and spoke to i guess you call her the coordinator christine and sir brett so this is where i've gotten the information from and first of all what's my position and according to christina it's basically a contact person for the town um i asked her does the town have to have a local ethics commission or can the liaison handle it himself and basically she said it's up to us so you can you can just do that um the best way if you have a complaint uh i advise anybody that has a complaint or any request any information go on the site and go to the municipal there's a couple of letters on there sections one for the state one for the municipal go to the municipal and you can get the forms off there one of the forms is if you wanted to fill it out and sign it and send it up if you do it that way though they also want to call or email giving them a heads up that it's underway the other one is you can fill it out and send it up by a computer or email or whatever and that one you don't have to call them up and get them to give them a heads up uh i wondered about what reports had to do to file um when where and she said no reports at this time we do have to keep a lot of complaints and there's a form on the website that we can use that's actually just for us here uh which town officers have to take the test i'd say just about everything there's a couple of people that like she said like for example the librarian didn't have to take it although i would think that director of the library probably would have to so basically

**Speaker 25:** just say anybody that's on the board or whatever it's a very easy one it is so i went on it with

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** my phone i think i'm not really good at technically doing things so i've got something up so i went on it says you know you have to walk in i guess that's my question because it seemed like i moved forward and then i went to the learning part and then you signed your name or something at the end okay so in the middle where you take the pass of like five questions and then if you don't get them right they don't tell you which ones are wrong and then you just

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** move on no i don't know see that's what i was saying

**Speaker 12:** but i could just keep changing my answer your example quizzes in the middle of it throughout

**Speaker 14:** throughout the text and then you wait like 20 seconds after they show you the questions then he says the answer to it and at the end there's like five

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** oh so i i i didn't get that far i don't know what i'm doing but i did it on my phone right

**Speaker 17:** i got it i'd rather just go down the shop it gives you like sample quizzes that he gives

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** at the end there's five questions five or six questions and if you get the wrong answer it won't let you move so you go back and you change your answer you said i think maybe this should be

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** yeah every answer one at a time though no

**Speaker 2:** all five click move on they won't let you move on if you get one of those five it did but they don't tell you oh that's the thing

**Speaker 13:** sorry

**Speaker 14:** i didn't get a score but i didn't get held back

**Speaker 26:** you must have got them all right i get problems with this stuff i work for the states also do you have a line to also send it to rory after um no i got it forward to her because did you get one from when i took it and 15 months was

**Speaker 8:** the wrong test or something that align is that the change to our camera

**Speaker 14:** you know i i didn't say this on the live stream but you can fast forward right to the end and just take this question well that's what i wanted to know and that's just how you get it right

**Speaker 17:** that's what i wanted to know yeah because you know i think it's harder than that

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** it's like say don't write i answer they're pretty i mean they're pretty basic yeah yeah yeah i just wanted to i think i'm not i'm navigating wrong which that's not ethically wrong it's just dumb

**Speaker 7:** so so i'll go down the first time i gave you the sample quiz i was like getting my phone i'm like

**Speaker 14:** not accepting it yeah i think when you said that there's a delay and then he says see okay

**Speaker 20:** is it safe to assume school where hunters have to take that test too so where do i get the link for that i've heard about this but i don't know where to go

**Speaker 19:** no just go ahead and do whatever uh vermont ethics submission and everything is pretty much accurate and when you say go to the municipal okay and you have to like say i can't figure out who's

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** going to hire someone

**Speaker 27:** i don't get that

**Speaker 19:** so let's see as i said how to file a complaint go get the forms and the pretty self-explanatory and fill them out and send them to the commission and they'll review them and if there's any questions or anything for further investigation they'll get back to us now as far as investigating uh the select board can has the right to appoint an investigator or whatever it could be however you wanted to do it may be different that's yours i'm glad to handle that i've done a few investigations in my previous life and i'll be glad to do it and

**Speaker 28:** if we want to have maybe one more person i do have just in case you're about the one violation yeah

**Speaker 19:** that's one exactly no but i was thinking somebody else that uh has a background i haven't talked to him yet we should consider him because again investigations sure okay um let's see i'm not very well organized here but uh see you know and every third word can designate anybody um to do an investigation who does not have an interest in the case now as far as the uh code of ethics they had a summary of the code of ethics on the website i did make a copy here and what i would like to see us do is recommend that we use this for our town code of ethics and it doesn't mean we can't add to them if we find a problem whatever but just to get it up and running we do have a municipal uh conflict of interest policy and uh the first part of it here for the recommended ones in the municipal code of ethics is um also we choose on disclosure for conflicts of interest so i would say maybe we could take um our law or our power yeah and put it in here but if you look at them they're pretty much the same we could we could always enhance

**Speaker 14:** our say if we wanted to make an ordinance yeah or whatever if we thought something was in conflict we

**Speaker 19:** could make an order yeah this is more a protocol to follow words and ordinance i think would be something we can do later if we have to if we have to firm it up a little um i did see i was actually was given this larry used me uh charter of incompatible law offices and this might be something i don't know whether we should uh somehow incorporate it into the uh into the rules or the ethics rules or whether this is something we would do in order inside but it's something we'll think about we see that sure uh we have to post once we have the municipal code of ethics that has to be posted on the municipality's website let's see we have by any chance do we have a uh complaint investigation ordinance rule or policy do we have

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** no we have a conflict of interest policy right is that do you have a copy of that policy

**Speaker 29:** okay yeah that's what we have so that i would say incorporate it with the other ones maybe make it

**Speaker 19:** number one although if you read them they're very much the same okay but um let's see we should establish a policy for investigations and i was wondering is this something that we could call maybe uh the league of cities in town see if they have a model so maybe we'll get a hold of that there and um also there's i have a rule here

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** that may act as a starting point so then that policy for the conflict interest does that mention uh different uh board yeah really it's kind of a general thing uh i know the vermont website the state website tells you what the municipality what they actually say no there's no conflict interest yes there is i i looked that up before because there was when when i got on board it was a board member that was on five i think different boards yeah so i looked it up and like it says that none of them were confident ventures although again we're getting into a new pair of error now that perception is different yeah it's a different one

**Speaker 19:** it takes one yeah but the thing is too when we send it when we send the complaint up to the board what they'll do is go through it and they might say yay and one of the things they um mentioned here it might be um and they might say yay and one of the things they might say yay and one of the things they might say is uh de minimis where it's such a small minor thing that no you know we don't have to work it out yeah right so but uh this here it's uh based on title 17 vsa so i can look that up and see it's like a a grid that you can use so okay yeah no keep going i don't really get that much more

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** so we need to put something on our website

**Speaker 19:** uh we need to put our uh ethics rules and we need to put our um when we have the um not the complaint form so much but the uh investigation rules you know like for an investigator the rules the policy for an investigation okay those have to be put on

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** our website okay um so we've got to start working on code of ethics policy trying to with the 27th bend beates

**Speaker 19:** really need if you like i said if you look at you can't have weaker language you can't have weaker language right right but they're very much whatever they're almost saying they're really not that much difference so can you get something to us then uh before next meeting and say so you get to us then uh before next meeting and say this isGET I игра

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Can you get something to us then uh before next meeting and say this isGET Like i was saying our code is that we should push the bottom part um so right now we're working E break i mean is it gonna be a list then is it okay to do that is it important so people can work that after uh or um like you know if you they want to do this um room they want to SuperN songs like if you need something like this then uh success um I'm gonna do it in in my opinion yeah if they wanna do this then yeah this isGET the code of ethics that we'd like to put on our web page and we'll look it over and sure and some notes for doing the policy for investigation how to do that

**Speaker 19:** yeah can I just catch it will they talk to me

**Speaker 24:** if you call it's rare to actually answer the phone but the email yeah and they

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** there's an easy spot to go on there you just log in with you and type in your question and they're usually pretty good you tell them when you want the answer back if it's high priority or low and

**Speaker 15:** password to get in if you don't remember

**Speaker 19:** let me know and that's that's pretty much it for now when you talk when I talk with her it seems they're just kind of getting up and running right now so there are still some things that they want to hire out like I said I asked her is there any like inspections or anything that she should keep file of the any complaints that we deal with and also we're going to have to make sure that we're going to make sure that we're doing with what you've been doing I think is keeping a file of the people that have taken the test and by the way if anybody any of the people that may get elected new people come on that are already up I think it's they have something like 30 days or whatever I have to look it up to get it but if you're already in a position you can't tell I think you can't be like September but like I said every case is about 10-15 days

**Speaker 8:** I thought that you had to put the form on the left page, but it could be for people to fill out if they want to file a complaint. I guess we could. We could set that one up too. Why not? It doesn't hurt. Yeah, why not?

**Speaker 19:** Well, the big thing I think is just refer them to, everything they need is on there.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's good. Keep yourself informed in what we're supposed to do.

**Speaker 25:** I'm worried every time I look at that too.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, this is all new for all of us. So, yeah, you can get us a code of ethics or a college of interest and we can work on that. Any other old business that we need to talk about? New business.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I got one little thing I just want to mention. I know, because he's...

**Speaker 2:** I started off with a hundred questions.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I know. He said he's done. They're all stuff that we're running. Yeah. This is Angela. She's actually about our whole meeting. It's come to my attention, there's been a few people in the town and they won't come here for some reason. I don't want to come to the bench right here. We have a order of how we run our meetings. And someone said, well, meetings go on and on and on and on and on and people talk. Some people get to talk a lot longer than other people. And I kind of agree, but I've always been a big fan of the... First Amendment rights to speak and so on. And so I guess what I was... I've seen other meetings where you're not allowed to talk it off after your five minutes. So we have five minutes. We have 15 minutes. Then we go on with a meeting. We have discussion. The discussion is supposed to be for us. But we've always allowed everyone to ask questions where if you go even to the school board, you raise your hand all day and depending on who you are, they might not even answer that. And Stamford's not as bad if you go to North Adams. You are not allowed to talk. I think that I'd like to have a happy medium. I guess that's what I'd like to see us as a maybe activity. I like sitting down where we have new board members. I think Nancy does a phenomenal job as chair. But I think sometimes you get taken advantage of during a meeting. People like to over-talk you. And I know you've got your little hammer sometimes. But sometimes I think the rest of the board ought to step in and say, that's enough. So I guess what I'm asking is almost like permission to tell... I never asked you, but I want to overstep you too. Almost to say, hey, look, you've been talking. We've had people get up and actually stand up and walk towards us. You've been talking for 30 minutes here about the same thing that you talked about last meeting. Well, at times there's three different conversations going on. Yeah. That's what's hard. So we need to... I guess that's one thing I'd like to see in the future is kind of rein in that a little bit. And I know I've been blamed myself for talking too much. And Dave's like, all right, let's go. We've got to go. I've got to go home and sleep. But I'm a board member, so too bad. But no, I really think that the people that mention it to me actually are not in favor of me at all. They're like, your meetings are going crazy. They're going crazy. And they kind of yelled at me. So it wasn't a friend. Anyways, I just think that, you know, I've seen it happen. And we've had those certain issues, the sign issue, you know, that went on for too long. Maybe we could say, okay, we heard you. We got the point. And then we'll look into this and move on instead of saying, let them just babble on, you know.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, how I feel as chairman, I feel that you guys are all equal to me. That just because as chairman, I figure I do the agenda and we get the meeting going. But jump in at a time.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I would never want to take this over. That's not what I'm asking.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Jump in and just say, hey, wait a minute. You've had your five minutes.

**Speaker 19:** I think with the last meeting we got going, I don't know if anybody remembers, I said, point of order. I make a motion to move the question.

**Speaker 28:** I believe that's part of .

**Speaker 1:** And everybody kind of laughed with it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But we don't. And that's the thing. We've turned Robert's Rules into . And you're right. I've done Robert's Rules before other venues. And, yeah, you're right. Curtrake, there was one incident where there was like three conversations. We were talking about the budget that night. And there was conversations that were literally personal vendettas.

**Speaker 2:** And I was like, all right.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm not. And it was actually some of the board members. And some of the people. And some of the. And how are the board members going to hear what's going on that's important? And we're trying to be polite. So, you know, Judd's over there talking to you. We're trying to be polite. You know, Judd's a nice guy. We're not going to tell him to shut up. But on the other hand, this is, look, that's nothing to do with it. Judd's not saying anything. But I'm saying, you know, but if we're talking, if Dave's got the table and he's telling us about the budget, we should let that go on, I guess. And, you know, politely say. Hey, we've got to stop. And you've done that before. You've said, hey, you're not. We've let it go on. I got it all back for it. So I'm just giving it back to you. Well, the opening statement, welcome to a meeting on the Stamford Select Board, that can be changed. Well, 15 minutes. If we allow it to go 15 minutes, many times. And I understand that.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We do. We go over 15. But if there's five people that night talking. You know, Laura comes in about the ATVs. That was a big one. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

**Speaker 3:** I don't know.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't know.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We've all been given 15 minutes. Remember, we had to go out there. We had the biggest meeting we ever had in the town of Stamford, right? If you get 30 people doing Это мы завершили. If you want to take 15 minutes of your time, we'll be here in a bit. You know? So we have to. We can do this. I guess you know when. Tonight, go ahead and talk out loud how you want when you have plenty of time.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think, what's the school board? Five minutes? Yeah.

**Speaker 20:** Two minutes. I don't know. I think it's two minutes. Two minutes and they give you a 30-second beeper. But it's not just there. But it's all there. but it's a lot looser now i think we had when there was the contentious issues over there and there was a huge crowd of people then it was strictly enforced two minutes but it's a lot

**Speaker 30:** looser now than it used to be you still got your second timer no no nobody uses a timer because it comes to the meetings now i mean but the thing is you're talking and all of a sudden

**Speaker 31:** here you know you have that yeah you know i just keep talking

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** well it's going to keep it in place in case you need that time that you have that yeah you just have one select board timing and go 15 minutes is up that's it and that was you know

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i guess just get a shot clock there was i and i'm not disagreeing with the people that yelled at me but to a point i am but they there was were times we allowed certain people to talk more because they were the type of person where if you told them not to they were just going to make it worse anyways so we just let it go it's like all right he's just going to keep talking anyway it's like trying to shut me up yeah so you see that and there's probably some of the same people yeah so you know we had it at the town meeting where someone came to the podium to talk that's a lot of time and then does everybody get a chance for a podium you know so if you're the loudest voice you get heard like that's how i feel a lot exactly yeah exactly but i know i mean i know i have that i'm at fault sometimes i know i had that personality where i could talk a little bit louder and shut her person down but that's not right i probably shouldn't have been allowed

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** and registered no no but it was just very a new person that was a moderator that won't move sorry

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** question your time's up

**Speaker 20:** no more hearing a visit may i make the suggestion and to reinforce uh if it's gonna if you're what you want to talk about is one in five minutes and the conversation will be 15 minutes that you

**Speaker 30:** get added to ask to be added to the agenda i have said that to people the matter of fact during the

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** covid era which again i only talked about but there were people it was a heated discussion and there was one woman that was already a board member and she didn't have the platform that the board member had and i agree with her i disagree with her stance but i agree with her and said i'm going to put you on the agenda next week she came on the agenda next week and let her talk about she wanted it and i think that's great because then you don't have a limit then you can talk

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** as much as i do right something to think about yeah step in any time guys hey you're talking too much in one conversation because it's very hard to hear up here too if someone over the corner i'm pointing to you today but well exactly this is real that corner is bad it kind of echoes out over here and came here yeah he's got us on camera

**Speaker 32:** he's not on camera look at this yeah what i was going to say is with this whole idea is that um the one thing i did notice from italian is that it would be would have a spectator podium that everyone would go from for the you know you walk up to it instead of going into into the front talking to you guys instead of away from you oh like

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** on the side or something that they can see the audience

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** select board also because the person carries the mic over so what's the difference if they have to walk or they want to walk yeah i mean again and with the town meeting who runs that's the media here you know it's not us but yeah i mean that was a new person i know bill would have definitely done things differently and now we don't we have an opening for that so that's

**Speaker 2:** going to be interesting if we don't have someone that takes the reins of that yeah did you you'd

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** call me you wanted to talk to something hearing of visitors tonight were you wanting well maybe it wasn't maybe it was somebody else okay i think oh no i know there's two other people yes yeah no it was two people and i told them to come to the select board meeting and talk to us about it there they wanted to add something to the minutes i said well if you come to the meeting it'll go in the minutes but i can't add it to the i'm not adding it to this is not a newspaper right new business we want to talk about we've talked about before revising the employee handbook so i was looking at that and the highway job description and one of them oh in the the labor of job description the laborer says uh his time is coming in he comes in at six to four and the highway job description says he comes in at seven to four or something like that this is it's all over the place so we've got to consolidate these and try to uh get them all on the same page and work in the same hour same description because it depends on the board and who was hiring and they never looked at everything else but the employee handbook i think that's probably the first thing we should look at and lori sent them to everybody uh so if you look them over write your thoughts in there dave you've got a copy of it yeah okay if you look it over give us suggestions job description and labor description

**Speaker 12:** and we've got one for the recycling description that's all the time right yeah you're gonna have to look at that for the recycling description that says uh he's responsible for the incinerator and

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** i don't think that's been different we will tell these yeah so um just look them over and we'll try to take one at a time to review these any other new business okay uh make a motion to go into executive session for personnel and is there anything with the so the litigation we don't need to go we don't need to discuss that okay all favor