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title: "Stamford Select Board — December 5, 2024"
date: 2024-12-05
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present: [Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, John Dunn, Kurt Gamari]
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# Stamford Select Board — December 5, 2024

**Session:** Regular · **Duration:** 59 min · [Audio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAqOIDWrvzU) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%2012-5-24.pdf)

**Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, John Dunn, Kurt Gamari
**Absent:** Douglas Wright

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,

**Speaker 1:** and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Sorry, I'm starting a little bit late. Our boys were out on the road since 9 o'clock last night.

I'm 30 years by my house. Oh, now we're up.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, welcome to a meeting of the Stamford Select Board. If you have a matter to discuss that is not included on the agenda, you may do so by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address. You will notice that all our meetings are recorded, and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes. Visitors are welcome, and we allow five minutes of comment per visitor and 15 minutes per topic. Discussions will be held in a common, civilized manner and respectful of others. Select Board members present are... Mike DeNorme. Nancy Bushika.

**Speaker 1:** John Dunn. Kurt Gamari.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Will there be any adding of items or removing of items from tonight's agenda? I have new correspondence that's come in. Okay. I have a couple things here. One, prepare for the town meeting Monday night. I think that was all I had. Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, such as changing the order of items? Yes. And Jeff is recording the meeting tonight for his YouTube video. Oh. Oh. Is it? Okay. We were in executive session from 5 to 6, maybe 6 to 10, for employee reviews. Hearing the visitors.

**Speaker 1:** She can go ahead first.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Sheila. Hello. Do you know anything about this Green Mountain Express bus that's going around the town? No. Oh.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's for public transit. Is that the one that picks up people if they need to go to doctor's appointments or something? You call them, and they'll bring you to your doctor's. Yeah. Does anybody know how to come to that? Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** It's pretty well... It's pretty well...

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Seniors, some seniors know about it. I mean... Okay. I just saw it the other day. No one knows. You didn't know about it.

**Speaker 1:** In mass. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So the... The... Yeah. The Green Mountain Express...

Okay.

**Speaker 1:** ...comes from the Bennington area, and their depot is... Ooh, it's kind of like a brain fart in the back of my head, but it's in the Bennington area, I want to say, and it... It's like a transit authority. It's like the regional transit authority for the area. You can call them. I don't know what the equivalent is for a PT1 form in Vermont, but if you have, like, certain insurance, they provide you a certain amount of trips to doctor's appointments. Plus, you can do a pay-by-fare. You know, there's... It's a bus, too. You know, they do busing. I mean, they bring people from the Powell area to North Adams early in the morning for a doctor's appointment. Mm-hmm. Oh, a bus home. I mean, they're... Nice.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I knew a couple of people in Stamford that did take advantage of it. You call, make an appointment. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** They don't like coming here, but... Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** ...to a doctor's appointment, but I don't know if it's just in Vermont, or if they'll take you into... Into Massachusetts? Yeah. ...that I don't know.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, they're DOT certified.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Sheila, call the 211 number. I don't want to. Well, I don't know. I just want to know what it is. Okay. Is it because of two people I've talked to who I've seen, or she didn't know what it was either? Okay. So, do they take you to North Adams? Do they take you to Bennington? Bring you back? Or...

**Speaker 2:** They must have a website.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't think they can get in there. Or bring you back. I think they'll take you back.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. I think if you just... If anybody can call them, I'll say.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay.

**Speaker 3:** Did they get you to the casino back?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Probably. They'll come down to the casino.

**Speaker 1:** They may do a casino trip. I don't know. So, I just wanted to reach back around and see if you guys had an opportunity to discuss what was brought up in the last board meeting regarding the conflict of interest. If you guys were able to get a hold of the Vermont, the VLCT, or you guys spoke about it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, we haven't spoken about it because it would have been out of a meeting, so it would be here. But, I did get stuff from VLCT and I sent the email on to the board. Okay. But, I'm still waiting for VLCT to get back to us because they brought it to their legal department because, as you know, there is no statutory conflict between collector delinquent taxes and JP.

**Speaker 2:** Mm-hmm.

**Speaker 1:** It's not the actual JP that's the question. It's the... It's the fact that the individual sits on the board of civil authority. So, when you sit on the board of civil authority as a tax appeal and you have a say in that, those people that are looking for that appeal, like we stated in the meeting, generally have already gone into delinquency. So, most of them are waiting to get through that process to pay their bill. Yeah. And so, with that being said, if that individual... Has a say in that tax appeal, that directly affects their pay, and so that's where that conflict for me comes in. So, yes, I know it's the JLP that it's used as, but of course, in order to be on the board of civil authority, you have to be a justice of the peace. Right. So, and so, the other job that's held, which we all know that many people in small towns hold multiple positions. I'm more of like, get it, okay, but to have, it just comes back to you collect delinquent taxes to get paid for it based on the amount of 5%, which we know, we won't reiterate that and go down that road, but to have a say in the abatement, a say in the assessment, a voice in the assessment, a voice in the abatement, and a voice in the tax appeal, that's... I don't care what Vermont says, that looks really bad for our town and anybody sitting in that position, and that could be you, that could be him, that could be anybody that has that position that is in those, all those positions at the same time. Just looking at, so, I just wanted to see, because, I mean, it just costs us, which I was just talking, it just costs us $1,000 to run an election, a runoff election, which, if... I'm trying not to have it be a personal thing, but the individual is part of the JLP, and so, which is the Board of Civil Authority, and if that person gets stopped away, we don't spend $1,000 on an election for that issue, you know what I mean? And I'm not saying that she should have done that, like, that's her own right to do whatever, you know, and, but, bottom line is we're, you know, here we are. I just don't want to go around and around. I just don't want to go around and around, because I'm not going away. I'm going to be here until I find out, you know, like, until, because the longer this goes, the more people I talk to, the more people are like, really, that happens? Like, a lot of people have no idea that, you know, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I don't think it's maliciously happening, it's just what is there, and it just doesn't look so bad.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The, well, like I said, I'm waiting for the legal department to get back to me, I just emailed them yesterday. It's still nothing. Our conflict of interest policy, from what I'm understanding, the state one will override ours, so everything will be through the state, with that ethics committee. And you need to appoint somebody on that. I was just going to mention that, too, like, they want an appointee for an ethics lead. Yeah, yeah, so I was going to bring that up later in the meeting, too.

**Speaker 4:** I mean, I tend to agree with what Pete's saying. It doesn't look great.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** But, I mean, I did go back and look for the ten years that there might have, that this person was on both boards, that the one opinion did not sway the board's decision, because it's always a board decision.

**Speaker 1:** It swayed my decision.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It swayed your decision?

**Speaker 1:** It sure did. She was the tipping. She was the tipping. She was the tipping. She was the tipping. She was the tipping. She was the tipping. She was the tipping. She was the tipping. She was the tipping. From that vote, in the Board of Civil Authority, it's like almost like a deadlock, and you'll have a better idea, because you were there, and you were there. You guys understand who was voting, but from what I'm told, because I wasn't there, and it wasn't recorded, is that the voting came down to that one sway vote, which was her. So, that's one of those things that's kind of like, that's, again, it's that kind of, ah, man, do I keep, do I keep, do I keep, do I keep, do I keep, do I keep, do I keep, do We say that that doesn't happen, but I know it did. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not trying to be that guy. And, again, it could have been you that sat there in that meeting and had the conversation with me and had the opinion. And, again, this isn't personal. This is just fact.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, one thing I read was about the recusing of people. You know, that's a volunteer thing that the board can't force someone to recuse. But if someone did recuse every single abatement, what are the other duties of a JP? Say I want to be a JP and I'm sitting in that position. Are there all these other duties that I can recuse myself on that position but do all these other things?

**Speaker 1:** So from what I read, there is other things that the JP does. That is, clearly not just. The Board of Civil Authority. Right. But you can't not be part of the Board of Civil Authority. It's part of your duty as a JP.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But you can, in that position, recuse yourself every single case you could.

**Speaker 5:** It's possible.

**Speaker 1:** Somebody would be like, I mean, at that point, you're used to the Board of Civil Authority.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** If it didn't go delinquent, just a regular hearing, you might not have to recuse yourself.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, I've looked into it a little bit. I'm sorry. I saw your email and I was waiting myself. I do, just like I said last evening, I do tend to agree that there's certain times where everybody does the right thing and you still look like you're doing something wrong. And you look and say, what is it for the best of the time? What is it for the best of?

**Speaker 4:** It's almost like even for the best of, you know, for yourself. Right. You don't want to put yourself in a compromise.

**Speaker 6:** There's really no reason for it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, I agree with Nancy. I'm going to come back. I'm going to come back. I'm going to come back. I'm going to come back. I'm going to come back. I'm going to come back. I'm going to come back. Personally, that meeting, I don't know, I can't remember what the vote was, but you actually, I made an motion to lower your amendment in the past. I remember that part of it. So your amendment actually lowered. So I don't think she would have been a factor at all, but that's not, I guess it doesn't matter if we vote individual stuff.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And that was done in the executive session, though.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. Or deliberative session.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. So there was no notes on that.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. So, you know, but it doesn't matter. It's like you're saying. It doesn't matter what the facts were in the meeting. It's the perception of what could happen. And that's all.

**Speaker 4:** That's what we've got. OK. How long has this individual had all these positions?

**Speaker 7:** About 10 years.

**Speaker 4:** 10 years?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** More.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** More than 10?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Just about.

**Speaker 8:** So I would recommend as a board.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No, JP and delinquent tax collector.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** As a board member, I would recommend that we have an executive session to talk to her as an employee. Sure. And talk to her and discuss it with her and see if there's a road that we can go down to everybody's agreement. It may be smooth. It may not be.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We will be reviewing employees so that can be brought up in there, too.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think that's something we should take both sides of a star. Take both sides of a star. As a board, look at it.

You know, Pete's giving his side of the story and taking the other side of the story and look at the left.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You can excuse yourself. And look into the, you know, what the state says and go from there. What was that now?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** She can always excuse herself.

**Speaker 4:** Yeah, but if you're doing it for every meeting. Correct. But that's, you know.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** For that certain board. That's what I'm just, and that's why I asked that question. And I think that it's something that we should respect, something that didn't work for 10 years or something. I don't think it's a personal thing. I think it's a, it may be. I don't know if it is personal or not. I don't care. I do agree that it doesn't matter whose name was in that. You just say, like you said, if it was me or the janitor and all of these other, when you just throw someone's name in there, it's still the same issue.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. If this person is the delinquent tax collector, Mm-hmm. Or that person may be in any town. Right. If that person doesn't have anything to do with the other boards, it's a debt issue. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Great. I collect taxes and I don't care how you get paid. Right. Or whatever. I don't care how you get your money.

**Speaker 9:** That's not my job.

**Speaker 4:** I mean, it would be, I mean, maybe it's a good time to bring up, or maybe it's an appeal to the public. It would be nice to get some diversification, I guess, in a lot of these boards. Sure. And get more people involved that we don't have to be repetitive and have to serve on two, three, four boards.

**Speaker 10:** That's the other thing.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I thought of it the last thing, Kurt, was this town, and Pete called me out on it and said, you know, I say it all the time, we're fortunate that we have people, right, you know, we're literally adding elections, that people are going, wow, we had a run-off election to, you know, other towns would be going, jeez, we got a wall of openings here, you know, for all these boards. We're fortunate enough to have people saying, hey, if there's an opening for that board, put me on the list, you've done that, you know, put me on the, you know, clean up or whatever you want to call it, you know, and I'll jump in, I'll do it, you know. So it's fortunate we have that. So if we are having that, that's a great time to let that new generation step in.

**Speaker 4:** I mean, we're going to have to replace certain people

at some point, right?

**Speaker 4:** So. And I don't think that. It would be nice to have it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The position that we're talking about is a very,

it's an important position, but it's a very big board. Right.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You know, that board of abatement. Yeah. So the authority is a big board.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** 12 or 13.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** 12, 13 people on that board. It's a big board, so it's one individual doesn't have a ton of power. Right. The tax collector has much more power than that.

**Speaker 1:** I guess it's not so much the sway of the vote, it's the opinion. That shouldn't be had. OK, so for example, if I didn't pay, I'll use myself because I did it. That when I go from the board of civil authority, I hadn't paid my taxes. OK, and I didn't pay my taxes for a reason. I wasn't going to give you the money and have to sit and wait for a check from you guys. Whatever. I'll pay my $300 fine, whatever. OK. So that should have been, that individual that was sitting in that position should have recused themselves. From that. Yeah. That any conversation and a vote didn't happen. So that's all I can vouch for. I can't vouch for any other person's hearing. But that to me is where I see an issue. That's it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Before this happened with you, I never thought about it. And I don't think any of us ever thought there was a conflict.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** During that hearing, when it's in the public, she could show up and say, let's go have an opinion. Nothing we can do about that, right? So anyone could have it go in a public opinion. It's in the deliberation that the opinion would be squashed.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, because anybody can come and sit at this meeting and have an opinion. I mean, are people going to frown on that individual, whoever it may be? You know, maybe, but that's not who I am. It's a public forum. You can come and say whatever you want. But in terms of...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's no different when I go to a plan board meeting. I'm a slight board member. But I go there. As an individual saying, hey, look, yeah, you know I'm a slight board member, but it doesn't hold water. I admit I don't have any authority there. I just say, well, I have an opinion that you guys should be doing this and give you my opinion. It may sway you. It may not. Absolutely.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Well, I still have it on my list. I'm still...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'd like to put that on our agenda if you don't mind. No. We're going to be doing it anyway. We're not going to lose it. We're not going to lose it. We're not going to lose it. We're not going to lose it. I do agree. One more thing I agree with is just kicking a can stuff. I can't stand it. Whenever we talk about it, it works for me. Yeah, that whole like it used to be that way. So, why? Is that what you're talking about? No. Just kicking a can like...

**Speaker 1:** Oh, just keep it going. Next meeting. Let's talk about it next meeting.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Hey, you guys want to put a sign up? Let's talk about it next meeting. Yeah, yeah. Four years later, we'll still have it. You know, stuff like that. So, clean it up. We were talking about, oh, we're going to do this. And then, you know, we've been 10 years talking about who owns this building. Ten years. So...

**Speaker 4:** On Sesame Street, when you were about five or six years old, there was a hole in the bucket. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There was a hole in the bucket. There was a hole in the bucket.

**Speaker 11:** Sheila, when...

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'm trying to plug it.

**Speaker 3:** Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Sheila, when has anybody taken out papers to run against this person? Anybody can take out papers and run against somebody. Yeah. Uh... It's been probably this year, no more than 20 or 30 years. Oh, for collector delinquent taxes?

**Speaker 8:** Oh, no, no, no, no, the Justice of the Peace Act.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I voted for the Justice of the Peace Act. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I couldn't agree more. Oh, yeah, yeah, this has nothing to do with it. I'm just saying if there is a conflict, the easiest thing to do is to say, you know, hey, these two boards here, there's a conflict. Yeah, I agree. Let's just say we bring it up to the person and they say, yeah, I agree with that. If they don't agree, then there's another, then we have to do something about it.

**Speaker 4:** Exactly, I mean, the Justice of the Peace one is expandable to me. Yeah. She needs to be the collector delinquent. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's a tough decision.

**Speaker 1:** I couldn't agree more with that. I don't think it has anything to do with that.

**Speaker 12:** Yep, thank you.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you.

Thank you.

**Speaker 8:** I have one more thing to say.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yep. No.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Are you a dissenter? No. Oh. No, I'm actually a co-chairman of this book now. No, the talk about the expense of, if this happens, if someone steps down, the board can appoint an elected official. No. Correct. Not the J.P. Not the J.P. Okay, so I'm asking that question. Yeah, the governor's going to appoint. But then we're going to have to have another election.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No. No, the state.

**Speaker 8:** Oh, the state.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, I got a question. The state appoints.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay. And I know you're here with a sweatboard. Right.

**Speaker 1:** I'm not 100%, but I think that they might take a recommendation. Okay. Like, for example, we'll just use an example, the runoff that just happened. Yep. One person won, one person lost. Right. The board may be able to say the loser's name. The loser would be the recommender. Because it's so fresh. Correct.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's what we did with the sweatboard. It was so fresh. We had a sweatboard member left right now. I don't know if they'll take it as any weight. I don't know. I don't know.

**Speaker 1:** I don't know. I don't know. But maybe they will. But I would assume that they probably would if that person had been there for, you know, a couple times. But no, the sweatboard can only the state can do the JP. Is something to do with a JP is more of a regional or a county position? Yeah. Yeah, because something about. Yeah, because their election happens a different time, right? Yeah. I'm good. Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thanks. Regular minutes of November 21st. Can I have a question? Yeah. Okay. I have a question.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I have a question. I have a question. I have a question.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I have a question.

**Speaker 2:** I have a question.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I have a question.

**Speaker 2:** I have a question.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I have a question.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I have a question. I have a question. On November 21st, can I have a motion? Sure.

To accept them? Sure. As written? I wasn't here. They weren't here? That was the last meeting I had. Right. Kurt was at repairs.

**Speaker 13:** John, you were here, weren't you? Yeah, I was. You won Sen.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I was 2nd. Bay, right? Road conditions. réussed .

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They just went to bed? Yup.

**Speaker 8:** Instead of snowing out?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yup. Thanksgiving Day, you had to work, and then you had to work again? Yep. Maybeán

**Speaker 2:** work again that's 24 hours of plow yep and he had a breakdown he just sat on top of maltese road

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** when the plow came off the truck and it wasn't fun he said he spent half the day under the truck and

**Speaker 14:** half of it in it yeah he loved to walk home recycling laura you had something on recycling

**Speaker 15:** yeah we had a surprise inspection from the state agency yeah showed up unplanned he was able to not do a full inspection because there weren't people there but he said the area was tidy he did not observe any solid waste violations he sent this email as a courtesy appreciation of our work and

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** how well we're taking care of it could you um put that in dave's box let him know and probably give a copy to buzz and laura um anything else on recycling discussion review and

**Speaker 8:** revise highway ordinance um this is one of those kick the can ones i read it

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i don't have any problems with your changes well if you want to i do change it that's fine

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** discuss it discuss it i would like to talk to dave there's a couple things on here that i wasn't quite sure of what we meant and we did when we did talk to dave a while ago it was probably in august which one was a while ago yeah and dave has not seen this right so i'd like dave to look at it and if i can talk to dave there's a couple of spots where we can talk to dave just have trail but we probably should have said legal trails because we have legal trails um okay yeah right and there's a couple spots in here where we have the standard where agency of transportation using the standard plan b71 well that's now outdated so we probably should note it in the ordinance too but i want to run it by day then and i think there was one spot we said to remove this word but i don't think we removed it but maybe it was by notes two of them so i just want to make sure oh and uh haggard is bridge i know we've got to come up with it he's got to see if there's a number on that bridge because does anybody know not you sheila do you know where haggard is their bridges don't answer that because you know where it is yes but uh so nobody knows we're having these bridges so this you want to know no we know yes i do want to know oh maybe he might be east road

**Speaker 4:** there's a bridge up there yeah yeah oh it goes over uh there's a little stream there that's a bridge

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** yeah yeah so we might get

**Speaker 2:** it might be better to have a bridge number or okay so we're gonna have dave pick through this

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** with you yeah we should have gave him that's before he left i don't know i don't think he's

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** tired then nobody will know where it is with a number i know you're the only one in this room that knew where it was if you would answer i knew where haggard was yeah i would yeah do i want to say to all people or just the people that lived in stamford forever yeah right right

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** so if i can work with dave and laurie and see if we can just get dave in here a few minutes and pick the game again i know well it's better to have it now than go in the paper got the word

**Speaker 2:** insured you i'm thinking that it was our computer i think it was operator era and i think she caught

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** it but i think it was operator era 10 years ago oh no yes 10 years was your glory so yeah before that i see everything sounded okay so it's not right enough i'm sure you want to talk about the insurance you want to insure something because we're saying that you're wrong sure edges or the is uh you and that's that's kind of waiting for us that's too far back

**Speaker 7:** oh come on you know all the history i know i don't know a lot of history

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** in that house other than that i didn't see if there was somebody in there before in between

**Speaker 4:** but yeah i know i know it was an old house a long time ago i probably used to work for that when they had a little farmland

**Speaker 7:** all right um

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** of course

**Speaker 15:** um signed the grant agreement i think we two meetings ago the 33 000 for the garage doors and stuff now we have to sign an affirmation of use of funds basically saying we agreed to use the funds to handle the student purposes to us okay

**Speaker 2:** before we're going to top the papers they've given us funds now we've got to use it for the rest of the year All of us or just me? All of us.

**Speaker 15:** And we also would like to apply for a new grant every, I don't know what it is now, five or ten years. The state tells Dave he has to go through and do an inventory of all of his culverts, his water crossings, everything. And last time we had the DCRC guys come down and go around with them because they have to map, you know, if there's critical problems, you know, minor problems, if everything is good, and put everything on a priority list. And so Dave felt it was good to have their assistance last time and would like to get a grant to hire them to do the same thing this time. So the first step would be to sign a letter of intent saying we intend to file some grant.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We intend. We intend. We intend. That we will file. We will file. Yeah. Then we'll say we're going to do it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. And then we will use the money to put it back. Then you file it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. You intend to and then you do it. And that's how I have it. Do those culverts and stuff go on the class four rows or just threes? I'm not complaining. I'm just asking. No problem. That's a question for Dave.

**Speaker 1:** Who replaces the culvert if there's an issue? I would say yes. I would assume. I would assume that Dave.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, the culvert. I'm not complaining. I'm just saying. I know he's got a lot of other priorities. Those are probably all majorly undersigned. They're rushed. Crushed. I mean crushed. Cast iron. Got it. You know. Climbed. Yeah. Yeah. There's no one. Non-existent. We open them up on our own. We don't have a problem doing that.

I just. I don't have a problem fixing them, you know, by my hand. And nobody else has a problem. As long as we don't hear from the other side going, hey, you can't do that. We can't work together.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

**Speaker 10:** Yeah.

**Speaker 4:** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah.

**Speaker 16:** Some states are, like, mapping them all out.

**Speaker 15:** Every single color. Masses. Every single color in the entire state. Wow. They're asking quite volunteers. We have it now on one of our GAS. Yeah.

**Speaker 4:** A lot of it's to do with, a lot of it's in the climate adapt, adaption money, um, fish, fish passages, things like that. Not just... There ain't no fish going through these out there. That's where the, that's where the money's at, the research, why they're trying to document them all. Sure. Broke trail. Broke trail. All about the broke trail.

**Speaker 10:** Yeah, they all went down to Beaver Street anyway.

**Speaker 4:** Yeah, exactly. Went down to the park, the dam. No, not down past that, up, up, up, upper Hudson Broke Trail.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I can put a message in a bottle and send it to you down at your place, from my dam. Oh yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Starts up there, that tool they split as my borderline goes up.

**Speaker 4:** There's one by, there's one by the property line, and I consider the source of Hudson out past county. Yeah. I always go to the farther point where water, water comes in. So both Hudson and Hoosix are in, well, Hoosix and Harborville, but... Right. They all stay under water.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, Monday night, we have a town meeting at seven? Seven. Seven. So, I should have made this. Yeah, make some copies of that. That's just the outline of what happened. It might be good to have it at a town meeting. Paul Lathier did send us a, an email that the, that the truck was coming in $15,000 less than they thought. So, we will have enough money. We were going to be short about $1,500. And now... Covered. It's covered. I'm thinking the, we have been putting $50,000 away each year from the new fire truck. Now to pay for this fire truck, I'm thinking between $55,000 and $60,000 a year. But I'm not sure. But I don't know until we get the loan. But we will know at budget time because...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But we can go back and see.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, we said not to exceed $270,000. Yeah. $270,000 to borrow. But we'll find out by budget time what we need to put in our budget to pay for the fire truck.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But this meeting is just to cover what we didn't do. What we didn't do is buy the truck.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right. If you see the outline that I wrote up...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We got a vote, right? Yeah. We got a vote to pay for the truck. Put money away for the truck. But we didn't get the vote to buy it.

**Speaker 2:** Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And that's our deal.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** March of 2022. This is when it started to put $50,000 into a fire truck replacement fund. But there was already $81,000. We were putting like $5,000 or $10,000 a year. Right. And we realized that was not going to be enough. So in December of 2022, we estimated the cost at $498,000. But that was just a ballpark figure. Then in 2023, the fire department intends to purchase the chassis from the replacement fund. We won't need the rest of the financing for another couple of years. These were all taken from our minutes. And then in 2023, still too soon to start the loan process. It won't be ready for 2024, 2025. Then in July 2024, Select Board authorized the payment of $107,000 for the cab and chassis. And my written note said it will cost $526,000. And that's probably when we should have started warning for it. It's a very special town meeting. But we just assumed that it was done. And then the bank picked up on it that we need townspeople approval. And it's also a state law that when we're buying something like that, we do need townspeople approval. So hopefully, everybody will approve the purchase of a fire truck. Otherwise, we'd have a fire truck partially paid for that's not ours. And we need $133,000 due from the town. And we have about $147,000 already set aside for it. So our loan is we're asking the townspeople to approve the purchase of a fire truck for Article 1. Second article is to borrow up to $270,000. So hopefully, everything goes well. And we don't have a snowstorm because that will cut down on the town. There's just a

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yes. And then the other thing is so can we redirect that? Do we have time? Yeah. we can redirect it and it's got to be done by December 31st. So let's ask for it and next meeting we can talk about maybe someone we can redirect that money. Even if it's just into a fund that we already have, a savings fund. No, it has to be. We can put it onto the East Road chip seal project, our percentage.

**Speaker 17:** Oh, that's not covered. We didn't cover the whole thing. I don't know if we did. Well, we'll look into it. We'll have to look into it. I thought we covered a whole lot. Maybe we could use it for recycling improvements. That might be covered. That might be covered. But we have to have it done by the end of December. Otherwise, it goes back.

**Speaker 18:** We need to sign anything about it?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Just say it in the meeting. Just make a motion at a meeting. Can I ask for it back? No, to commit.

**Speaker 4:** Just to be committed and not be spent.

**Speaker 15:** I have to make quarterly filing. Oh, the quarterly file. Okay. I probably will have to report that it's all been committed. Okay. And then we have another meeting.

**Speaker 4:** That's how we're going to reach out in the next 3 weeks. We'll come up with something. I'm sure you can spend $7,500 or something that's needed.

**Speaker 10:** As long as we come up with something, I mean, it's crazy to not use it for a long time.

**Speaker 4:** Yeah.

**Speaker 15:** That reminds me. Remember we submitted our passive grant application? Oh yeah. We did what? The eyewash? Yup. The thing, and we bought eyewash solution for it because it didn't come with it, and we bought an exit sign. And submitted everything. They came back and said to eyewash solution is not helpful. I had to do a revised one to take the eyewash solution bottles off and just submit it for the next meeting. I think we gotta buy an eyewash solution. She says you can pick a different kind. These kinds over here are covered. It's like, why? We have eyewash solution. That's a lot of water. Some, some.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Exactly. Okay. Alright, that's good, Lori. You can buy a concentrate that you add water to or you can buy the actual solution.

**Speaker 15:** Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

**Speaker 19:** Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

**Speaker 15:** Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

**Speaker 4:** Okay. Okay. Okay.

**Speaker 15:** Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay. Okay. Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Okay.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Okay. Okay.

**Speaker 4:** Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Okay.

**Speaker 16:** I think, didn't we hire them for two years? So they should be set for, yeah, if we find out when they want to come in January, maybe we can get a fund balance by town meeting. I don't think they'll work that fast, but I know when I tried last year, I think they wanted to wait.

**Speaker 15:** I don't think they came until, what, May? That's right, they want to wait for three months. Three months after the close of the year. Yep, yep. And I can cry. We're used to the other ones that came right away in January, but these guys start a little different. Yep. Let's keep it on our list. Kick it down the road for a couple months there. Make sure they... You'll pick it on me. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That was good. Lori, you were going to talk to us about dog license. That's increasing through the state.

**Speaker 19:** Right. At this point,

**Speaker 15:** dogs either cost $9 or $13. We get four, the state gets five, for the $9 dog. The state has decided to increase their portion of the fee by $2. So now it's going to be $11 and $15.

**Speaker 20:** Can we increase ours?

**Speaker 15:** Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Near the end of 2022, maybe, yeah, by 2023, when you guys were reviewing the dog ordinance and whatnot with Luke McKay, you guys made the decision to increase our portion of the dog fees by $10. And then when January came around and we flipped the dog licensing stuff over, I forgot all about it. So a year ago, we wanted the licenses increased $10, and it went... And I had not done it. Did not do it for all of 2020. Oh, boy.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You owe us the money now.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And it said, I think we were going to use it towards, it said to, we can use it to enforce its animal and rabies control program. So we thought we could use it in a special fund. If Luke picks up a dog that needs to be euthanized, this will pay for it. Or if he's got to take an injured dog, we don't know the owner, but the injured dog's got to go to the vet right away.

**Speaker 4:** We had one case that... Or I found it for three months. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That this... We had one case, guys.

**Speaker 18:** This money would go into that dog fund.

**Speaker 4:** I mean, like I said before,

**Speaker 18:** if the state wants to keep raising their portion,

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** why don't they just take over the whole program? Come down and find the dogs.

**Speaker 4:** And hire the dogs. So that worried about, you know, rabies ultimately. So right now it's nine to 13. So you're looking to get raised at $10? Yeah. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Yeah.

**Speaker 4:** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So about two years for both, is that what the initial was?

**Speaker 15:** So right now it's nine to 13. With the state's law it will be 11 and 15. So starting January 1st it will automatically be 11 and 15. But that's what got me thinking about dog fees and I went back in the minutes and saw that they had done a motion to increase dog fees. Not to just put in the budget and defray the budget costs, but to kind of start setting aside. Oh.

**Speaker 21:** So it would, so let's say you do that for $20, $25, it would be $25, and you're in trouble

**Speaker 22:** selecting that money now because the state got to it before we did, and that's why it's

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** like, oh crap, you know, now we did it, so we might have to lower that down a bit to justify, but, you know, we're the ones, the state gets their money, that's it, they do nothing else, we're the ones that incur every expense, every expense.

**Speaker 1:** What if we don't have a dollar officer?

**Speaker 12:** Are you required by law?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We are required to have one, and a, and a kennel.

**Speaker 4:** They may need a bunch of stuff, I mean, and they kind of, they strap you in a lot of different ways, and they don't, like they said, they just take the money and that's it, here's your responsibility. A lot of officers, health officers go to the board.

**Speaker 23:** We don't have a kennel.

**Speaker 4:** The state's always dying. They'll take over more and more things, so they can gladly have this one, I mean, here you go.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And the kennel has to be, I think you said heated, and so many times a day you have to go check the dog.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're very fortunate to have who we have doing that, and taking care of it, and very fortunate, because that's another position that could just go away. You try to fill that.

**Speaker 4:** I mean, last year, I don't know what we spent on the budget last year, but it was quite a bit, everything that went on there. Was it last year we had a dog problem? I think it was last year, yeah. Oh, yeah.

**Speaker 15:** Yeah.

**Speaker 4:** We had a house. It was a lot. It was a lot. I forget what the amount was.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The kennel said they would take it, and they said, no, we can't. I don't know what it was. I remember reading about it.

**Speaker 2:** It was that.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So, if we do add on the $10 that we said we were going to, I would like to make a motion like Mike said, as low as that, maybe to five, and then we have to start a separate dog fund. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. We'll have to bring it up at town meeting to start this dog fund, that if we need it, we can take it right out of the dog fund.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, personally, the number is so low, it shouldn't be a problem, but when you said, oh, good luck, good luck, the ones that aren't paying the nine are going to be the ones that won't pay the 15, and then the ones that won't pay, you can make it $1, they won't pay. You know, it's just.

**Speaker 4:** It's one of those things, too, where there's a balance, right? Yeah. It's where do you cross the threshold where it was just.

**Speaker 18:** And it's not, it doesn't seem to be that people can't afford it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's just, they don't take, they, oh, my dog never goes out, so he's not going to get rabies. Well, that's not true.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If you own a dog, you can't afford the $10, $20 for this. You shouldn't own a dog. It costs a lot more to raise a dog than that.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Between spaying, and some people get their dog, have their teeth cleaned. Oh, okay.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's a lot of. I had dogs.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** A lot of money in that.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So bad.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** My kids aren't going to have to.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. So you follow through with this $10 for the town, reduce it, what do we do?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, I mean, what's the stake going up to, 15?

**Speaker 15:** 11 and 15, two bucks on your show.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, no better than me. I mean, I don't own a dog, so, you know. But. So, what would it be total?

**Speaker 15:** 11 and 15, with Joseph staying. Okay.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Without us raising it at all. Okay. So, I just don't believe that a $20 bill hurts anyone that owns a dog, and, you know, that doesn't get it spayed. I mean, $20 over a year's time, come on. What do you mean by that? So, I mean, if you went to five, it would be 20, 16.

**Speaker 15:** 16 and 20.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If you want to lower it for the, you know, we were going to raise it 10. Our state just raised it. Mm-hmm.

**Speaker 15:** I know, I felt bad, and I feel bad.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** How much did the state raise it from?

**Speaker 15:** Two bucks.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, $2?

**Speaker 15:** Well, they used, on a $9 dog, we keep four, they get five. Right. So, now we're going to keep four, and we're going to get seven.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right on the house, John. Yeah. Exactly. You know, I mean, I know it's a little more amounts. It's not over the state. It's the state. It's the entire state. Yeah, all over the state, yeah. It's a lot of money. Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** How many dogs in town? Two hundred and seven. Two hundred and seven. They're shysters.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah.

Right.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's a good thing. We need to pay for our expenses. Like I said, with the recycling, and I know we've had it.

**Speaker 13:** We should be paying a loss. Well, it's fine. Well, we shouldn't have to go up $5 on a dog license. Yeah, exactly.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I agree.

**Speaker 2:** I'll pay it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** All right. All right. We just shouldn't be paying losses all the time, you know? I mean, I know there's a service to.

**Speaker 4:** Life's not getting any cheaper. No. That's a guarantee.

**Speaker 1:** So, hypothetically speaking, $1,300 every year will just go into this fund and just stay there to either do a rabies clinic, or will it continue to build up for when you have a...

**Speaker 4:** I want to say, is the $7,000 unreasonable for what we spent last year? Yeah. No, it's not. No, I'm sure. $7,000 for a new dog.

**Speaker 1:** But my point is it just goes into a fund, is what I'm saying. Sure. You said you're going to go into the town meeting. Yeah. And make a fund for. Right. Right.

**Speaker 5:** And spend.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And spend dogs.

**Speaker 1:** Just dogs. Yeah. Makes sense.

**Speaker 15:** Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Whether to, how I can think, euthanize or board them. Board them. Yeah.

**Speaker 4:** I mean, maybe if it got so crazy that we would need a bigger...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Sheriff hired a dog? We've had to hire a sheriff to come down. That should come out of that one.

**Speaker 13:** So, the state law, if I'm not correct, I mean, if you don't license your dog, like, we're in our well-given right to go to the house. There's a process, but yeah. God forbid it happens. Yup. Yup. Yup. You send a ticket that goes to the court system. That's covered some way or if it comes to...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Pete, even the ticket money doesn't come to us. Goes to the state. We send the ticket.

**Speaker 1:** Could you imagine somebody showing up to your house and going, give me your dog? Right. That's why they share it.

**Speaker 5:** Right.

**Speaker 1:** That's why they share it. Come and get it.

**Speaker 24:** So then you gotta hire a sheriff.

**Speaker 13:** Yeah. That's why they're like, we're nice. Like, come on guys, please register your dog. Yeah. They don't want it.

**Speaker 15:** We had a year where we sent out warrants to use a nice dog.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, you wouldn't think if there was someone in the town that was, you know, down and out. Okay. I can't afford it. I'm down and out. I haven't paid my taxes. I haven't paid my dog. You know, for 20 bucks? I'm not... I don't want everybody coming in that, but I can give you the 20 bucks in two seconds. Say, here you go. Or if you're down and out. We've had, like, a sweat to do that before. Yeah. You know, in this town, you know, we wouldn't do that. We wouldn't do that. We just, you know... I mean, at least if I'm out before, I would help people.

**Speaker 25:** I think it's there more to, like, persuade you that, you know, to persuade the person to...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. There's people that are the same offenders every year, you know, and the same thing... Same thing with taxes. Yeah. Same thing with taxes. Exactly the same offenders. There's usually like a dog... Don't worry.

**Speaker 4:** Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry.

**Speaker 10:** Don't worry.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry, not to worry. Don't worry. Don't worry. Not to worry. Don't worry, not to worry. You know, it's awful.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Those are other kids. How is the dog officer paid?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** He has a budget. He's paid by... Hour? Hourly. Hourly. And then, he... You know, he only can go within the budget. If he goes over the budget, you have to adjust. But, he doesn't get paid from any of the... I didn't know. Yeah. Just as a cost. I don't think he goes over the budget too often.

**Speaker 8:** No, he doesn't. No.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. That's one thing. Yeah. We just end up paying the dog, if he pays too much.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And of course, it depends on the year, too.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But the budget's very long. Oh, yeah. It's right in the calendar. No, it's up there. Yeah, it's right in the, I forget what it was.

**Speaker 13:** It's not like $5,000. That's from 20.2.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You know what I mean? You're a dog officer on call all year long.

**Speaker 4:** I mean.

**Speaker 6:** It's a hot, yeah, it's a hot volunteer.

**Speaker 4:** Just the three months of care, like last year, Frank. He had to feed them, you know, do everything with the dogs.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Go out, feed them, water them, make sure they're okay, keep the heater going. Yeah. And do all the paperwork so he can get reimbursed from the town for, you know, all those expenses.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Last year, well, 2023, we budgeted $500 and it cost us $4,000. Not for that. No, no, for the dog expense. Right. And that was the dog problem we had. That was a case, one case.

**Speaker 8:** So.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If that doesn't happen, then the $400 is fine, you know. So. But this fund that we can keep going up with Eddie there for us. Right.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Now, the other last thing I have is we got a letter from the Vermont, or email I did. Maybe Laura got it and sent it to us from Vermont State Ethics Commission that the January 1st, by January 1st, we have to appoint an ethics liaison to serve as a point of contact with, between the town and the ethics commission.

**Speaker 4:** Volunteer, step right up.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The, it could be one.

**Speaker 8:** You're trying to get someone ethically off this board?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. We could, could be one of the selectmen. Can we appoint somebody? I had thought of Doug, but of course he's not here so. Well, let's elect him now while he's not here.

**Speaker 4:** Yeah, I know. Can we appoint somebody?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We can. And then, all the select ones. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. it's probably going to be an online training so do you want to see first if there's any volunteers that want to be appointed to it and then Doug is here next time I would like to appoint him but I can't do it without him here so

**Speaker 25:** should we ask Sally Bull?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You know it's still hot in season be careful!

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Anything else for Select or for Giddy?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Just want to mention the Christmas tree here

**Speaker 8:** Is it? Yup! It's cute

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't know if it will ever open up because it's so cold but it is so cute! It's so cute! It's up, and I guess nobody stepped forward to do any events, but at least the tree's up. The tree's up. The light's on.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's cute. It's so nice out.

**Speaker 13:** John donated it, so I'd like to thank John.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yep. All right. It's a cute little tree. Executive session, do we need to go in? Nothing we haven't heard. Okay. And our next meeting is? December 18th.

**Speaker 15:** 19th is the regular meeting. Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We may have to go early again. If we have other employees we need to review, we can talk about that. I can talk to Lori about it anyway if we need to start early. It probably won't be as early as 5, though. In January, we're probably going to be meeting every week because of budgets. The warrant has to be signed and posted by February 2nd.

**Speaker 15:** Yeah, do you want to meet, like, December? Do you want to do December 12th and start budgeting, or do you want to maybe? I know you'll not have the full year, but you'll have almost.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The summer stuff is easy, so we can do summer stuff in a week. I don't care.

**Speaker 4:** I don't care. It doesn't have to be. But if you want to do the 12th, or do you want to wait in the room?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We could do the 12th and see who else we need to get into executive session to review.

**Speaker 4:** Yeah, that's fine.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay.

**Speaker 4:** So, I'll do the 12th, that first time, 6. 5.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Probably 6. Regular. And what day is it?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The 12th.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's Thursday.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So, you're here anyway, so it doesn't matter.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** 12, 12, 6 o'clock, executive session, possibly, and then just a work session for budget, work session. It won't be a regular select board meeting, it'll just be the work session. We can review what we can, and I think that's it.

**Speaker 13:** What day is the town meeting? Next? Monday, Monday, Monday, Monday.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It'll be a busy week. 7.

**Speaker 13:** Yeah.

Good. Good.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think we're good. Anything else, Beth? 4.

Me, right after. 2 is going. I don't know that. Motion to adjourn. 2nd. All in favor? Aye. 2nd. 3rd. Oh, it's David. Aye. 2nd. 3rd. 2nd. 3rd. And then, 2nd. 5. 2nd. 3rd. 2nd. 4th. 5th. 6th. 6th. 5th. 6th. 7th. 6th. 7th. 8th. 9th. I hear you. I know. Yeah.