--- title: "Stamford Select Board — November 7, 2024" date: 2024-11-07 session: regular speaker_labels: 1 cluster(s) named from the roll call and that meeting's chair in the minutes, 1 named from roster attendance, 6 of 8 clusters unnamed voice_ids: {"SPEAKER_02":1,"SPEAKER_03":2,"SPEAKER_04":8,"SPEAKER_05":7,"SPEAKER_06":5,"SPEAKER_07":4,"SPEAKER_08":3,"SPEAKER_09":6} duration_min: 65 audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXw9Cg89ZDU audio_source: YouTube (@jgramlin78) minutes: https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%2011-7-24.pdf minutes_pending: false present: [Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, John Dunn, Kurt Gamari, Douglas Wright] absent: [] transcribed: 2026-10-12 (faster-whisper large-v3, CUDA; names corrected per data/name_fixes.json) diarization: pyannote/speaker-diarization-3.1 (automated; cluster labels may over-split a single voice; unattributed paragraphs have no reliable speaker) --- # Stamford Select Board — November 7, 2024 **Session:** Regular · **Duration:** 65 min · [Audio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXw9Cg89ZDU) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%2011-7-24.pdf) **Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, John Dunn, Kurt Gamari, Douglas Wright --- **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Will there be any adjustments to the agenda, such as changing the order line? Hearing no visitors. **Speaker 1:** Yes? I just find that the Trump hat on the table, like, is in bad taste at best. The what? The Trump hat on the table probably feels like it's in bad taste at best for a community meeting like this one. Okay, thank you. **Speaker 1:** It's just insensitive to half our town. **Speaker 2:** Is this insensitive? **Speaker 1:** No, that doesn't say Trump. **Speaker 3:** Well, I'm sorry. **Speaker 4:** I'm sorry. Yeah? I can never really go without several items. I asked quite a while ago about if there's been any communication regarding the burned-out house on Mill Road. There has been just garbage left out. You know, insulation. It's, it's, nope. I've called the realtor. They don't know anything. She still has her sign out there. I tried to reach out to the homeowners. I don't know who they're reaching out to. And it's just, the plywood is now peeling off of the windows. If that was on Main Road, it would be, you guys would be all over it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was told eight months ago that it's really not any of our business, though it is. It is our business at this point. And I was wondering if you as a select board would take some action on it. Who said it wasn't our business? Eight months ago, I was told that. I'm happy to look back and... By who? You guys. Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Was it, was the fire like in the winter or something? **Speaker 4:** No. No, it was in July. So in a good year and a half or so, yeah. So by now, insurance... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What did the realtor say when you called the realtor, they're not selling it? **Speaker 4:** They have, she said, well, they haven't had a contract canceled. And I said, well, surely it's expired. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** But, yeah. Are taxes paid on it? **Speaker 4:** You can't find out any information. It's, it's just such an eyesore. I can't believe the neighbors haven't complained about it. **Speaker 5:** But if you get an ordinance or any kind of... **Speaker 6:** You can count on... **Speaker 4:** Nope. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, that's what I'm saying. We don't have an ordinance on eyesores, right? So I don't see what we can... Just for me, junk. Our father. I can't even jump. There's an ordinance on junk. Because there's a health problem. Health hazard. Health hazard. Yeah. **Speaker 7:** Health hazard. **Speaker 8:** Is the robbery fenced off or anything? No. No. If it's unsafe, where the children can go in there or something. **Speaker 9:** The bank's not involved at any level? I mean, no. **Speaker 4:** I don't know even who the bank is. I guess I can look up records to see ultimately. We're in need of anybody. But they were... I know it was being locked as is because there was an ongoing investigation, whether it was arson. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. So the insurance company might not want certain things done, but... **Speaker 4:** We don't... I don't even know. I can't get any information. They shouldn't have it fenced off. I haven't even tried it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Huh? They should have it fenced off. Right, right. It's in their own land. Well, that's why I was asking if we have an ordinance or not. So if we did something, I want to make sure it was something... **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They just had the fire and left. Yeah, that was pretty much it. Okay. So that's number one. Can you see if there was a mortgage on it? That would be... **Speaker 10:** Lori, you'd be able to get that through recorded deeds? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Yeah, you can find it. Yep. **Speaker 4:** And then we could work through the bank? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The bank might be taking... We don't know if they're taxes, but you can check previous taxes. **Speaker 4:** Is it being closed on or anything? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then maybe you could ask the bank that too because... They might not see the bank like... Right. **Speaker 10:** They might not even know where this is. Yeah. It's on the other side of the river. Yeah. It's on the other side of the river. Okay. See what you can find out about that. I'll follow up with you, Lori. That property, you think it goes on the other side of the river? Or is it just a little... Yeah. It goes across the river. It goes across the road. Road. On the other side of the road too? I think it's like an acre and a half. And then it's not... Yeah, that piece of the house is just like a little high. Yeah. **Speaker 4:** And they... And they buy the barn. It can't be really a teardown because you can't rebuild on it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What do you mean it can't be a teardown? **Speaker 11:** Nobody's going to buy it as a teardown. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh, I see, I see. They could have, probably, right after the fire, they could have remodeled it. **Speaker 9:** You can't build it if you tear it all down. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right, if it's all done. **Speaker 4:** And it's well beyond, it's well beyond that. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I would think the best bet is to follow through on a health issue. **Speaker 4:** Well, who's the health officer? **Speaker 11:** The health officer is public safety. **Speaker 4:** Who would that be? **Speaker 12:** It's not me. **Speaker 9:** I don't know if we have one anymore. We didn't have one, that's Luke. Is it Luke? Have him look into if there's any, just have him call the state and see if there's anything there. **Speaker 4:** Yeah, I mean, he gets paid for it, so he might as well, right? I don't, sorry. Yeah. I'd be happy to do it, but. How do you pay for a health officer? He doesn't? It's a structure. Twenty-five bucks a year. A year? Is it worth it? He doesn't get paid for that. It's a structure. Wait a minute, we don't have structures still there. I'm not sure about the case. I can't remind you. Well, if the structure is still there, you can fix it up. You can't get paid for it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You can't, you can't. **Speaker 13:** You can't tear it down once you're out of it. **Speaker 14:** I don't think he could fix that up. **Speaker 11:** The structure's still there. **Speaker 15:** Yeah, Luke. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's not a. It's not a structure. Luke is appointed by the state. Oh. Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, it doesn't matter. Well, that's never. I mean, it doesn't matter if he's appointed by the state or not. Yeah. So. If he's paid or not. He might have. If that's his position, we'll ask him. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** He might have a little more. No. I'm being a state employee or whatever. You can tell him. Okay. But if you would follow through on the mortgage and bank, because. Regarding the church. Yes. The church. The church. The church. The church. The church. **Speaker 4:** The church. The church. The church. The church. The church. The church. The church. ular. No. Okay. Okay. So. I have two things. I would just like to know, why that was executive session to make that decision. It wasn't well contract related. We all paid for the inspection report. And I'd like to know if the inspection report is going to be made public to us. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The decision to discuss the inspection report, was done in an executive session. Because we were still in contract. the decision to not buy the church came out of executive session and we did it in open meeting right the uh inspection report is public so you can request it from laurie and she can email it okay but it's a hundred pages oh no i'm aware of them yeah it's beautiful yeah **Speaker 4:** one of one of the buyers was hoping to get it from you because they were going to reimburse the town for the cost of the inspection and it was denied which i was what was denied the the buyer the new buyer it was denied it was she couldn't she wanted to pay for the inspection **Speaker 10:** that the town the other buyer told you that yes well she could make she could make a donation but **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** it's public record so yeah that's what i can't but you can't sell it i mean can't charge for it's just like any unless it's a land record then you charge unless it's a land **Speaker 16:** record then there's certain things that laurie has to charge for and what was the cost of all this **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** one thousand nine dollars okay or nineteen oh nine oh nine **Speaker 4:** well yeah she was going forward with it anyway but it would have been helpful and she thought maybe we'd like to be reimbursed sure we would want to be reimbursed yeah but they they denied her access to the report that's why now **Speaker 17:** once they denied the realtors the realtor it's our report i thought maybe the realtor wants to **Speaker 8:** sell the property yeah i don't know how the realtor the realtor that requested the report **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** has got the report yeah but i don't yeah the the realtor what does the other buyer should come to the town to add not the realtor has no right to deny what we paid for it's ours i'll i'll get **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** clarification on that so that's all okay um anybody any other visitors hearing a visit reading and approval of records and orders we have several meetings uh emergency meeting of october 15 2024. **Speaker 11:** are we all there i have a second second all in favor **Speaker 4:** one of them didn't have a date on it but i mean a time like when it one of the minutes i wasn't sure which one it was like the meeting was called **Speaker 18:** to order at two of them 24th and the 17th nancy fashika opened the meeting with a couple of agents **Speaker 19:** uh so the time on the agenda 17 was a regular meeting yeah yeah there's a time on the warrant **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** can i have um motion for this 17. motion yes second all in favor 24th motion second nine all in favor all right so we every oh yeah that was here we've all been there and the 30th motion okay uh real conditions day **Speaker 6:** i think we had talked before about the turnaround on the heavenly hill that property has been sold over a year or so ago and our turnaround was not within the highway right away so i tried to contact the new owner i did talk to him briefly at one point but tried to contact him and try to work something out there and i was unable to get a hold of him so i just ended up building and didn't turn around within the right way within our right way now that was it we had but at least for now so we'll mostly worry about it yes but where it was before is it better **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** and or wasn't it weren't you saying that his employees were part of the land **Speaker 6:** his employees were parked in there and he put a dumpster there so it's kind of obviously needed so because i see him a lot so i can tell him but if he's using it to talk to the lady that was there as well yeah about it when we were going she was really nice about it it worked something i said you mean you obviously need to use the space i need to use the space it's your property we'll just do something different take care of it okay it's on our property then yeah well it's within our right of way i worked with a property owner in that area scott strange **Speaker 6:** so i worked with him and turned around there to be adequate we did get our 2019 frame on our back and put in it seems to be running fine now we were doing some ditching over on klondike road over trying to wrap things up here for the start of summer maybe so we did some grading but there's minimal moisture that's even when they say it's gonna rain it's not so i think everything's in you know drivable condition i wouldn't say anything horrible but considering how little moisture we've had it's pretty good i want to go back to the freight liner **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** how much is the new transmission and is any under warranty or no well it should have a year warranty on the transition **Speaker 20:** i don't know if that includes paper but the car itself is that the one we had two bills on they **Speaker 21:** took it and fixed thought they fixed it didn't sort of pay for a loan we yeah we paid for the **Speaker 6:** what i discussed with you unfortunately i paid for repair it didn't work and then the replacement so what are you gonna do anybody you can talk to i tried like i said i think i talked to you this meeting if you wanted to give the world go ahead you know like i didn't get anywhere and i you you're stuck it's you know one-stop shopping nowadays you can go to a place they have all they're all about the same piece **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** it's like going to a doctor's yeah it's like one thing don't work oh yeah or something else you're really kind of cutting your own throat if you get too honorary with them because right then you're going down the street to the other place they own not i got to be able to call them and be able to get things yeah i think we worked for it when they're ford and tried that with in bankton that didn't work either right yeah you're not gonna get too far **Speaker 6:** was somewhere around sixteen thousand dollars total we've been repairing **Speaker 21:** it what road were we working out after the freight why not well we did some **Speaker 6:** We're fishing over on Klondike Road. We've prepared a few collards based on Klondike and County Road. Mike and I are going to be off for hunting season, so we're going to be ready for snow plopping at that point. We've ran the sanders, made sure it wouldn't wear, so we're ready. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Technically, when you say off, you're on call, though. I know you are, hey, when you see the snow flurries, you're there. **Speaker 6:** Yeah, I'm on call. I guess it's up to me to just go deal with it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You usually don't leave it. **Speaker 21:** No, we'll be here. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'm anxious about that. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We'll be around anyway if there's an issue. You're not going a little higher with him this year? No. **Speaker 22:** No. Maybe about eight or nine more years. **Speaker 6:** Yeah. I'll probably have to holler for him. No, I think everything's pretty good. I think we're looking pretty good for winter. At this point, low in leaves, my budget's kind of busted anyway. I started spending more where it goes. **Speaker 6:** And unexpected expenses this year, so repairs and just highway maintenance. **Speaker 8:** Looking forward for next year, where do you first see your budget going, and is there anything you want to work on that needs attention? **Speaker 6:** Well, I think even opening the can of worms for trees are going to be a huge issue here at some point. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The ones on East Road? **Speaker 6:** I mean, I think they're everywhere. I think those trees are everywhere. I think that's something we're going to have to start to at least pick away at. You know, I mean, those three trees cost us $5,000. And not all of them are going to be— **Speaker 23:** Well, a lot of them are. **Speaker 9:** A lot of them are not really equipped to deal with it. A lot of old trees don't grow. **Speaker 8:** I would start getting bids for stuff like that and potentially put it in your budget next year. So, you know, a bunch of years or so. For someone to expect and figure it out as you go. **Speaker 6:** I would say a fair amount of money. Put in $10,000 in there to deal with trees and stuff. You're going to put it in. But at least it would be something. Men came for a fight. You know. It would be something. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** There are problems before you get to that step. Yeah, by the time you grow the trees, they're going to come back up. **Speaker 6:** Yeah. I'd say it's the least in every funding. Considering I'm only involved, I usually get $40,000. I think we're up to $40,000. We're up to $40,000 now for highway maintenance. **Speaker 24:** So that's a quarter more of the budget. **Speaker 8:** Do you think maybe we could look into buying something? So we could do some of the work ourselves? Or is that something you want to continue selling out? **Speaker 6:** Unfortunately, I think with a two-person highway crew, it's just too much extra. We'll never get any, you know. The rest of our work won't get done. So then the ditching won't get done. Or the grading won't get done. You know, we used to, I mean, this town used to hire out of the work and have to work for employees. So, you know, it's been cut way back. So it's a heap of added work. If I have to deal with a tree here and there or something, we can do it. But some trees are, you know, I can, if the property owner cooperates, I can bring the loader over and push them onto the property. It's just the woods, you know. But, you know, that requires trying to contact the property owner and getting them to agree. And so it's always really too dangerous. **Speaker 4:** That one on Mill, I think it's on our property, but it's leaning over the ash tree. Do you know which one? Yeah, I think right by the bridge. **Speaker 6:** Right. **Speaker 4:** That's, we don't know what to do with it because it's pushing on another birch, which is now pushing on the wires. **Speaker 25:** So that would be great mountain power. Yeah. **Speaker 4:** I don't think they're going to do anything about it until it comes down. That's pretty much it. **Speaker 4:** Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They don't do a preventive measure. I know. And they don't want to mess with it because it would entail shutting off the power even though the tree is essentially, I don't know if it's, it's not in your right of way. **Speaker 6:** I would say it's right on the edge. It's probably right on the edge. But it is touching the wire? **Speaker 9:** It's pushing another tree, which is nudging the wire. They have cut trees down in the past in town. I know that they knocked on my door and did it for me because it was threatening the power line. That was 17 years ago. **Speaker 26:** Yeah, we tried over the summer and . **Speaker 27:** See, I call them. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If you go up my house, there's a whole bunch of dead pines. They planted the pine trees years ago. That right away goes way up behind the pines. It's all. **Speaker 4:** The green mountain power? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, I think the state did when they put 100 through. But I have a power line going right through the trees. And I would say once in a year, something falls out and hits the power lines. I lose power nine, 10 times a year. And I'm right on the . **Speaker 28:** Yeah, well, that's right. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You call them and say, hey, look, you can see. You were up here two months ago cutting this one off the power lines. Why don't you cut them and follow them out of the way? And I don't dare cut them and then have it fall out of the power line. **Speaker 6:** As far as an ounce goes, I mean, next year, we're going to do the chips here. We're going to do some oil, and chamomile, and east row, which is a funded by Burien, and some of our money. So we shouldn't have to ask for money for that. But, you know, in mud season, we can drive more. There's a lot more back and forth traffic, you know? And then, I mean, there's not a lot of moisture in the ground now. Maybe a decent mud season. If you get a bunch of rain, it freezes in the road and comes out too quick. You know? Typically that's where we spend the majority of my maintenance money is in the month-for-month. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't know if I want to bring this up either, but I'm going to gravel in town. So there's talk, I guess, it's not really rumors, that there's some issues with gravel in town. If that becomes a problem where one or both gravel places in town shut down, just shut down, I don't know what would be the reason for them shutting down. There's many reasons, but whether it's retiring or state or whatever, we would have to go. I promise to get gravel. This is why I always never understood why townspeople get the state dollars and things. But, you know, if we have to go out of town, that budget's going to probably come close to doubling. **Speaker 6:** Yeah, and it's going to be a huge inconvenience. Yeah. We don't really have property to split. We don't have a store ahead, really, either. Right. So it's not even like I can just buy a bunch and have it here for convenience. It's going to be... Right. I mean, typically now, if I have an issue, I just make a phone call, and then the truck's there in a half hour, hour, you know? Yeah. And that's not going to be the case. And the place might not even be open. I'm not here. John Cole, Sunday, Easter morning, because I've got mud, I've done it, and he's there in a half hour, you know? Yeah. Is there any more potential for gravel pits in town? I would say. Probably not. It takes minutes. Also, the permitting process takes so long. It's not going to be anything quick. Is John's place going to be open? I don't know. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm just talking to Dave. Dave mentioned it. **Speaker 6:** You know, some issues that we're working through in the state, but... **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Dave, John's too? **Speaker 6:** Yeah. Oh. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know how much I want to say about it. Right. I don't want to say anything else other than it's just an out of the future. Yeah. This is why we're in a cave-in. I mean, you know, I've had a lot of people confront me that are absolutely against it, but ... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, you're always going to get ... We've talked about this before. And I'm not trying to get on a soapbox, but we've talked about this before. You're only ... You only can make so many people happy. You just mentioned, we have no properties to store and everything. Go try to buy a property, and you'll ask people who don't want to spend money buying a property. Right. Trying to start a, you know, try to pave so you don't have to use as much gravel. You have people that want to have it paved. People that live on the road, half of them probably want more than half want it paved. But the guy who else found them would love me. Same thing with the trees, you know. You got trees on Penn Road. You've got trees up there. People over here are going to say, why didn't you cut my trees? And, you know, you can't make everybody happy. It's a thankless job. **Speaker 9:** For sure. I think it's harder and harder all the time to manage all this. Not just in Stamford, but any little town that has limited budget. It's just hard. **Speaker 4:** Unless the educational budget gets bigger, we have to shrink our own services to work. We shouldn't have to. No, we just have to charge for it. Well, we have to. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, we shouldn't have to because we still have to do the work. **Speaker 6:** You know, we used to spend $100,000 or more a year for road maintenance. When I started working. 15 years ago. Now what are we going to do? 40. It wasn't 20 for years. It's like a double-edged sword. It's the cost of living rurally. But then if you invest too much into municipality services, then you're not that rural anymore. Right. This will come to be a reasonable argument next month. For December. Budget? For budget. Here's a, here's a, you know, we have to start working. We have to. **Speaker 9:** We have to. We have to. We have to. We have to. We have to. **Speaker 11:** We have to. We have to. We have to. We have to. We have to. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We have to. **Speaker 11:** We have to. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We have to. We have to. We have to. We have to. We have to. We have to start looking at the battles and we fight about a sign or something that needs to stop, and we have to just as a board say, hey, this is what we're doing. Thegeons decisions. It's to get to the point where you know not only to say that some five people complain about one thing the other thing. We can't, the other thing we can't have is a town meeting for everyone. Yeah. You know, there's certain type of things that need to be done, but for people to understand When it hits them hard, we're like, oh, geez, we need a town meeting. The town didn't speak about it. But all the other decisions, they don't even show up at these meetings. We just got to stop that. **Speaker 29:** A little stuff to add to the big stuff. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. **Speaker 9:** A lot of noise gets attention. The future is, you know, the best have changed. The future's not going to be easy for the town. No, it's hard. It's already hard. Yeah. We have limited resources. There's no income in town. So we don't have a destination. It's a rural place. **Speaker 6:** You can either just deal with not getting home or pay. Well, that's what I'm trying to say. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's the way of life. **Speaker 30:** You have to accept it. **Speaker 6:** They drive up through Wilmington and Dover in the springtime, and the people are all parked out under the nine, you know, and they don't get off the pavement. Right. They're running a shop. Yeah. But they just have to deal with it. I don't know. **Speaker 6:** I'm not suggesting that's where we go with it, but that would be the reality, so you don't want to set them up. Yeah, but it would definitely make people appreciate what they had. Anything else, Dave? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Recycling. Non-recycling. Skipping down to correspondence. Review and respond to municipal impact questionnaire. And then review and respond to school impact questionnaire. Well, I looked at the school impact questionnaire, and I asked Lori to please, get back to, John Dupers is the one that submitted these for an Act 250 questionnaire, and I asked her to have John send it to the school, because we're not going to fill that out. And it says it has to be signed by a superintendent anyway. **Speaker 9:** Act 250 for the school? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's for this impact questionnaire. **Speaker 9:** Is that question for a landowner? **Speaker 8:** Austin. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So, we all got it on your email. **Speaker 8:** I wonder what the impact of it might be. Yeah, they want to know if it impacts the town's school and town. Oh, okay. That's right. This is what I'm talking about. **Speaker 30:** This, when we have stuff in the event, now we can't get material. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** This is a component that we're competing with everyone. Right. This state stuff is, will bog us down, and it'll bankrupt the town. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, the cover letters that we are doing an Act of the Fact, Act 250 permit for John and Heather Teagans for the driving range property, and then the Jackson Road property. I think they get to the grass. Right. And they can both spots. Mm-hmm. So, to be completed by the town manager, does the municipality have capacity to provide the services without reasonable burden to the above project? This is for both projects. I'm going to fill them out for Lori. Fire protection. Yes. Yes, we do have that service, and we can provide it. Police protection. No. Rescue service. Yes. yeah road maintenance on the tijan driving range i said no on the road maintenance for jackson road yes solid waste disposal we do provide that for both of them now if we answer no to any of the questions explain why the municipal municipality cannot provide the service and then on the tijan's driving range access to site is on a state highway state same with the jackson road no police that was the only email who provides the services state police and state of vermont now with the deficient **Speaker 8:** sees occur without this project yes yeah yeah we do the projects involved **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** if the deficiencies are common to many projects does this project create burdens which are dis appropriate apportioned to the taxes and user fees to be paid to the municipality **Speaker 8:** it creates a burden if it's not there if it's not a **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** that's exactly true okay so you know to both of them and are you available after sufficient notice to answer questions related to the above statement at an active 50 hearing maybe somebody would **Speaker 31:** how about online well they just give us that can i ask why this is coming about **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** just that john is has an act after the fact that 250 **Speaker 8:** permit has come into compliance with the state with gravel whatever he's got going on in his property **Speaker 32:** and this must be part of the permitting process yeah so he had to hire an engineer which is why **Speaker 8:** i turned und Pence � **Speaker 6:** out he's been calling up we don't really know **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** why **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** say no are you available for the act 250. we don't know why **Speaker 33:** have anything to say about it really if you want to say yes but then when they call up and say **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** hey we're going to give you time and say well we don't have time i'll say mike's available oh i'll stop i'll have i'll talk to anybody right here but then they want me to go to about peter i don't know if i can make it i'll put it down we are we're mental too something yeah it's crazy okay what happened for me is this the same thing we got in our package **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** we laurie last meeting we said go um fill out the paperwork for the bank **Speaker 18:** there's a window between when the fire truck will be ready and the funding is needed and the march town meeting where the voters will approve the financing and the purchase so the bank needs some sort of you want to say **Speaker 11:** vote town vote the bank called yesterday watching documentation of a town vote for the actual purchase of the fire engine and under their rules and regs in massachusetts they want a town vote on the nature of the financing for it in that we're going to borrow money and we should have **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** we should have had that at a town meeting too because we it slipped here because even though when we buy a truck we always say we want to buy a truck and the money will be borrowed up to five **Speaker 33:** years we didn't do it it slipped well we kind of just i'm sorry i guess you want to use that bad **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** word about we we got it for financing part put the money aside assumed that it was voted to buy **Speaker 34:** yes but why don't we put money aside but she wanted that question specifically and we didn't **Speaker 11:** yeah at the time that we asked for the 50 000 the increase to 50 000 a year we didn't have we didn't have a number we have a number so we didn't really want to open a can of worms that we didn't have any answer for right you know when we started this two years ago generally the trump was at about 450 000 or 75 they finished at 528. what were you going to tell people where what kind of position would you have been in if last march you asked for 475 000 yeah we're still we didn't have the figures right now would be in the same position of having the same meeting because we'd be talking about spending fifty thousand dollars more than the county authorized right **Speaker 35:** so this meeting will resolve it and you have a copy of the proposed water my only concern is or the **Speaker 8:** they told not to buy it well that's just a bunch that's what's absolutely **Speaker 4:** sorry **Speaker 36:** no truck and but we already put a lot of money down on it **Speaker 11:** it's common sense we think that we already own the chassis right yeah yeah that's true that happens to be a party i've got pictures and follow the system as of the first of the month we've never had any difficulty or negative response in all the time that you've asked **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** for permission to purchase by a person i don't foresee it either it's a good question though it wasn't a fire truck it was a town trap it might be a little bit it's about a question johnnie it was a town trap it might be a little bit it's about a question johnnie **Speaker 11:** it's about a question johnnie it might be a little bit it's about a question johnnie but i don't foresee it and i was i've run enough of the meetings for the last i want to say a **Speaker 8:** majority of people in town assume that it's already gone through so they're just going to **Speaker 37:** say yes they voted for the money yeah to to put money aside and i'm perfectly happy to you know **Speaker 35:** when the time came to explain it if i want to stand there as president of the trustees and **Speaker 11:** explain what how we came to this and why it was necessary under massachusetts yes regulations we need to try to straighten it out you know i brought up to tracy o'connell this afternoon the last truck we bought 20 odd years ago paul's father and steve chrome was the president of mountain one at the time had a handshake deal that finalized the loan on the golf course it wasn't all all of this regulations came in after 2000 and good old days so laurie monday **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** december 9th the school is available i don't know oh why is that it was drafted just today **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** i think we'll sign it tonight and we have to revise this warrant quickly let's make a vote that we can revise the date quickly the story wants to get this done and the fire truck is coming won't you be your other date **Speaker 18:** if we couldn't do this so if we push this up by one week nine and seven is 16 and we didn't **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** you have it on the following month so other than the date everything else um i have a question is um because there were there was a uh discrepancy in the amount the mathematics of the mouth and pop well there was yeah that that no thousand dollars oh yeah and paul sent us an email i understand that um but these numbers if these numbers are should we put is this enough i guess **Speaker 19:** my question 70 is more than enough this bill just mentioned 528 is the truck 526 or 528. **Speaker 33:** so what's written 26 26 in the one sorry 26. we want to that's the bill that we actually have **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** coming yeah in the the town show uh borough of some two seven dancing not to exceed two thousand **Speaker 38:** that's enough and then some right we'll very apply for that amount everything's okay **Speaker 11:** the bank is ready given the vote for the town the bank is ready to let it through within like 48 hours **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** because sometimes mathematics gets messed up i understand that you know there's mistakes you **Speaker 13:** know we all make mistakes we think you know that there's two ways well you know several ways a **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** couple eyes on it yeah because i have no problem making a motion i just want to make sure the numbers were because that's what we did i don't have to come back and do it again but i'll make **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** a motion yeah if if we need that it's not going to be a whole lot more if we have to make an amendment until meeting too **Speaker 33:** right it'll be within the percentage allowed that we have to give yeah but i really think **Speaker 13:** that you said i want to do it get this done wrong we need to because trucks ready the trust is **Speaker 11:** expected at the dealership by thanksgiving the end of this month and they expected several weeks to paint it with lettering on it whatever we do just like to prepare a new car except it takes more on a firefighter yeah and if we can get this on the 8th and have a loan ready by the 10th you know it's not unreasonable to tell germany we need an extra week to finish financing but i don't want to see it run way past that personally i'm always concerned that these kind of meetings usually are held on monday i don't think there's anything written in town other than it's customary over town meetings yeah yeah i don't think so but if we can't get a date on the 9th on monday at the school we'll take tuesday the 10th yeah because if we're **Speaker 18:** not limited to mondays we can do tuesday or wednesday and still be able to pull it together and not lose a week **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** all right yeah i think you guys i think it's the seventh it says the seventh here i think we're cutting seventh and eighth not night with them what is that oh is **Speaker 39:** monday we know that **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm looking at the wrong number, or the wrong month. This is November 7th, and we're done. Right, yeah. Okay. And today is November 7th. **Speaker 18:** Yeah. Today, yeah. **Speaker 40:** So can I have a motion to- **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Mike made the motion. Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay. You have a second? Second. Okay, and I'm gonna just say that **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I've always been against special town meetings, and that I've always said that, but I know that in this case we slipped up, and just how circumstances happen, so we've got to have it. **Speaker 11:** So we see another motion. **Speaker 18:** Yes. So in my second motion, we're including a clause to revise the dates if we need to. Yes. Yes. Yes. If anything else, put it in there. Okay. Thank you. Anything you need, we're happy with it. And you don't have to put my comment, I'm just, I'm in favor of it, but that's just my comment. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I've always never liked special town meetings. Well, it costs money to have it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's the whole thing. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It costs money, it's time, you know. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, there's a lot of people that don't show up because it's not working. It's normal, and yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Once a year, have a town meeting, and that's it. That's it. Okay, what else? That's it on the fire truck? **Speaker 4:** That's it on the fire truck. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. We did mention the church. Is there anything else we want to say on it? It's, we mentioned it at the beginning of the meeting that we're not following through with that. **Speaker 11:** Is it out of line to ask ballpark what the estimated costs would be? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We did not go that far. We know the inspection committee, or team, does not give you a cost, but we saw that, what has got to be fixed, and it's a lot. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So, what we wanted, I think that, I don't think I'm out of line by saying, what we wanted to, at the town meeting, have 100,000 for repairs. This was just the initial bang, probably within that. You know. Yeah. You know, we talked to, I did talk to a sewer guy and he said it would be between $40,000 and $50,000 for a sewer. So, we're looking at, you know, bam, there's, you know, $40,000, $50,000 for a sewer, and you know. I'm sure there's $50,000, $20,000 worth of electrical. Electrical. So, like I said, there is a report. I don't really want to say too much because the other buyer would like to see that. I'd rather have the other buyer have that. You know, I know it's public, but I'd rather see the other buyer have that report. It's not like they're going to be able to open their hands and move forward because it's in the best interest of them. **Speaker 11:** They didn't realize that they didn't put enough or enough on it. **Speaker 9:** No. No, they wanted to listen. It's also actually ADA compliant and you'd have to have fire suppression system in there. Yeah, so we're looking at it. It wouldn't have to. Yeah, it's different for us than it is for them. But do we have here fire suppression? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No, but when you do, when you open a new building, you start, you know, you say, okay, I'm going to have a center. **Speaker 4:** was added on right so at the time you didn't have to must have been way before me yeah i don't know **Speaker 11:** whether there were any rules at the time yeah well we had something we had to do with the grant **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** we had the bathroom was at 88 or five that was a grant through the state so but there is i mean **Speaker 41:** a father class that's not even touching the second floor oh yeah and there's there's probably go to **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** similar projects because i did talk to the other buyer also it will probably go to similar projects than what we were actually thinking good for a time you know so hopefully that happens not that we can you know we have no say on that but it seems like i think they're yeah they're uh you know thought processes yeah yeah so it's a town you know people are already in town they **Speaker 4:** wouldn't have to but it would be not the same and they could do it in stages if they want correct correct yep it's still going to benefit **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i think i think so yeah yeah i think the people are you know counting my 49 **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** um just want to mention that the cba hearing is tuesday john will be able to attend tuesday night there's a v8 hearing for the signing i think it's six o'clock i think it might be seven **Speaker 9:** o'clock i thought they needed to do it later **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** maybe i'm wrong **Speaker 9:** what is it **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** six thirty **Speaker 31:** you've got to be **Speaker 6:** i guess **Speaker 9:** i'm going to try to be there i don't know does that make any difference we're not sure here seven o'clock it is i got it i got it sometimes they do seven o'clock **Speaker 4:** yeah it's two o'clock **Speaker 42:** here is on the cba yes **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** here **Speaker 4:** uh no **Speaker 18:** the day is the 12th and i'll check any other old uh yes all our dogs yeah ready to start again **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** before they pay for two years we should say all all known dogs how about that how about two years stay **Speaker 1:** stay it has to be because it's based on the rabies vaccine but those don't come you don't have a rabies vaccine **Speaker 39:** every year yeah one back to back but you have a rabies shot and you get another one back to back but make stroke three years right that's too bad **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** but i just want all known dogs Because I'm sure there's probably a few that straggler that never leave the house and won't get rabies. Yeah, right. One time. **Speaker 9:** Is there an household that has that? No. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think it's great. I don't know. **Speaker 18:** Anything else, Lori? I wanted to tell you that the past couple of days I have been working with FEMA to finalize all of the projects. So all three of the other roads and the damages and the repairs have all been submitted. I've been paid for one, but not the other two. I was able to go through Dave's time sheets, my time sheets, and come up with $4,800 worth of staff costs. And we can submit for reimbursement and add that to this. So that took a while. I had to compose it all and calculate it all and copy it all. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And I don't know if anybody, I was reading this article and I said, oh, this is our town. Yankee Magazine, there's always an article in the back by Ben Hewitt. He's way up in the Northeast Kingdom. And he wrote about riding in the town truck with the road commissioner driving. He's in Selectman in the back with his measuring wheel out front. And the town clerk is there in the front seat with her driving down the distance. And the road commissioner is doing the coordinates and all for FEMA. And he's going on about, of course, we're not going to get paid right away. And all the payment and the paperwork. This is boring, Dave. It is. It just fits the name. It was a cute article. Yep, we're not the only ones. **Speaker 6:** You have to do it over and over and over again. You don't just do it once. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh, yeah, the same information, resubmitted, resubmitted. Yeah, you guys had resubmitted. I don't know if they did, but it was just a cute article that I got. That's us. **Speaker 18:** But they did bump our reimbursement up to 90%. Oh, good. So that's a big plus for us. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Is it because they have money or are hazardous mitigation? **Speaker 18:** Well, the state requested more funding from the federal government because they're over debt. So we're so much, so many pages. And that gives me proof. Okay, that's good. Old or new business or whatever. **Speaker 18:** Well, I figured I would let you guys know the Justice of the Peace election resulted in a tie. I had to call the state. I read the law, but I just wanted to confirm. We have to have a runoff election unless one of the states has a runoff election. If one of the justices of the peace backs out and leaves an agency, it will have to be in-person voting like the other day, from 10 a.m. to 7 p.m. With check-in table, check-out table with the ladies. It's just the two. It's just the two. Two names on the ballot. It's that one race just with the two people who tie. I have to pull all this together. Within seven days, set the date and post it and have it happen, unless someone backs out before that. **Speaker 9:** And you said you already spoke to both of them. **Speaker 18:** They are both frustrated by the procedure, frustrated by the cost, and yet both feel like they would like to serve in that capacity. So I don't know. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You probably won't have 500 and some voters. I can't imagine that. **Speaker 16:** Right. **Speaker 18:** We'll have to have a team of counters. I mean, it'll be a repeat, but just for that one race. So I don't know what will happen. They canceled school from the last election. I don't know what impact this would have on the school. I don't know if we could kind of rearrange this room here and try and have it here so that we don't have to worry about this. **Speaker 43:** Do it on a Saturday. **Speaker 18:** I don't know. **Speaker 9:** It has to be open all day. 10 to 10. 10 to 7. 10 to 7. **Speaker 18:** Those are the minimum two ballot places. **Speaker 9:** For a justice of the peace? Yes. We can appoint more people, you know. We can appoint more people. You don't have to stand on the borders. What's that? We can appoint? We cannot. **Speaker 11:** We cannot. That was a record. **Speaker 44:** That's a state appointment. **Speaker 11:** The state's the difference. **Speaker 18:** What's that? **Speaker 11:** They are state. I love that. Yeah, that's a lot. So I don't know what will happen. I guess we'll. I guess we'll. We'll see what you can do. Yeah, just follow the guidelines and keep moving forward, I guess. Wow. You should know they can't do a ballot. Well, our guard dashed. **Speaker 6:** We're in the middle of a race of them. Yes. **Speaker 9:** You thought it was going to cut it. You better be careful you don't win on time. Oh, like, take a second race? Yes, take a second race, that'd be good. **Speaker 18:** And we'd probably have to wait until next week. And Monday's a holiday. And Monday's a holiday. Oh, it probably doesn't count in the state. I don't think it does. **Speaker 9:** I don't know. The state of Vermont, right? It counts as a holiday. If it counts as a weekend, I'm going to be home. **Speaker 38:** And you guys have had everything ready to go by Friday. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. **Speaker 38:** So they were supposed to have it today. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It'll be just easier to go back to school. And they can come and go out. We used to drink to a party. We used to drink to a party. This is our night. Yeah. Just got to be in the church. Yeah. It's a little bit more important than a shoot over bird. But we got that done. It was a matter of being on time. You couldn't say no. It was a little quite challenging. What else you got? Lori, any other? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No? Board of abatement. Yeah. This board of abatement webinar, Wednesday, November 13, 1.30 to 3. I think Lori signed the town up for it that we can meet here. It'd be good for, will we have notes in the new Jetson thesis? All right. I need a book for it. **Speaker 4:** I need a book for that. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Is it? Yeah. No. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Can I ask a question on the runoff? Yeah. Are we, anything else on board of abatement? No. OK. Just so that you're aware of that. I think Laura had her hand up first there. **Speaker 39:** Did anybody mention to you about the how long you took a drink? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No. **Speaker 39:** Quite well. Got lots of kids. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I drove by. Looks like there's a lot of people there. **Speaker 39:** Yeah. The fire truck, I don't know the gentleman's name, but he was at the other end. We had a lot of speeders, which was unfortunate. **Speaker 45:** It's normal. **Speaker 39:** A lot of speeders going through. We had the dinosaur stop in traffic, too, pretty funny. **Speaker 9:** Speaking of speeders, I had a crazy thought today. The way we're driving through Amherst. We were coming in pretty aggressive. Amherst has speed bumps. Yep. So it could cost some air. Literally. Could I just imagine what these things would look like? Like that river that you see in Amherst? Oh, yeah. We did write the cars for Amherst. We were going very fast, but it wasn't like . Maybe 50, and we took off a little. Wow. It'd be interesting to lay some of that thawing off on Amherst. You might wipe your church out. I'd wipe my house in the air. No, it'd be nice to talk to the state. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** This is your road. I've seen on other parts of the state road they put things out. Why can't they do the same thing? You know, you've got 100 signs down here coming into town. You don't have some kind of . . . **Speaker 29:** Oh, I was just coming to this meeting. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I just went around the . . . I drove all through town. I had a little time to go. And I had a guy pass me right here just before the bridge. So . . . . . . **Speaker 9:** . . . . . . . . . . . . **Speaker 4:** . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** . . . . . . . . . . **Speaker 46:** . . . **Speaker 4:** . . . . . . . . . . . . **Speaker 18:** . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** . . . . . . . . . . . . **Speaker 38:** . . . **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** . . . **Speaker 18:** . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . **Speaker 4:** . . . . . . . . . **Speaker 47:** No one can apply at this point to be a second piece. **Speaker 39:** So you won't know until Monday if someone's stepping down. That's the last day they can step down. **Speaker 18:** Sunday night at midnight. **Speaker 39:** Sunday night at midnight. **Speaker 18:** I have to do this no matter what, unless I receive a resignation. It's not on them to initiate it. It's on me, unless someone concedes. **Speaker 39:** By what date does the election have to happen? **Speaker 18:** Within 15 days to 21 days. So how long? Okay. It happens very quickly. **Speaker 9:** What does the Justice of the Peace do besides count votes and marry people? **Speaker 18:** They go through the checklist every odd year. Are you thinking of writing your name? Yes. Yeah, I'm going to write it in. **Speaker 48:** I've got plenty of time to do it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Any other new business? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I have folders. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh, go ahead. **Speaker 19:** I didn't know about folders. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Sorry. Yes. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, one of the things was talking about the voting. I saw that it was 76% and you said . So I just wanted to give a shout out to the town that I think that's amazing, you know, that we have that kind of turnout. I know it was a presidential election, but, you know, it seems like all, we always have good turnout, but I think that was amazing and thank all the people that, I wasn't here, I was sick, but I think we should give a thank you to all the volunteers that do our voting. That's my first thing. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** My second. Can I say something about that? Sure. I think everything went smooth out there. Nobody, no violence, nothing. This is our town. You shouldn't. These are, whether you vote for Trump or Harris, this is different. This is still our town and I think everything went smooth. I mean, it was a late night, but nothing. Late night. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Not normal that's happened before, so. **Speaker 9:** 520 something voters, right? 520 something? **Speaker 9:** 568. 568, yes. My second thing, I don't think you heard from my wife about Christmas tree thing, and I don't think she did. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't think she did. I don't think she's going to be doing it. I'm not going to speak for her, but I don't think she's going to be. And I think if someone wants to take that responsibility on anyone in the town, anybody here, I will still set it up. So if that's all I ever do is I, you know, Deb the last couple times donated a tree. If Deb can't, it's okay, I can find other, the tree's immaterial, I can get it anywhere. But the, I have a nice tree. I have a nice stand that we developed for outside, it looks really good. And I'll set it up, but I'm not going to head or do any of the actuals, the night, the programs and everything. So if someone wants to step forward to do that, I think it's time sensitive. It's already November 7th, you know, you have to find a good date to do it. I don't know if anybody wants to do it. In the past, I think, I think if you called Teresa, and she would tell you, you know, how she did it. She always used Luke for many things. I don't know if Luke did it last year. I think the fire department might have done something. I'm not sure. I think the fire department did it one time. But between Luke and the fire department and so on. **Speaker 39:** It wasn't last year he was giving the slave rents or whatever? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, one year he did the rise, and one year he didn't do it. Because I actually bought the trailer from him. Because he said, his trailer. He got rid of the horses. He was going to sell the trailer. The wagon. I bought it. I didn't have horses or anything. I just bought it. He said, I hate to see that go somewhere else. And I was going to try to find someone. Then he called me and said, hey, you want to sell that back to me? I said, absolutely. There you go. Very good. Oh, he's got camels. He does. I don't sell them. He's a manager. You know, I'm good. Try that on the spot. I'm good with that. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** How about you? How about you? How about you? How about you? How about you? **Speaker 4:** How about you? How about you? How about you? How about you? How about you? How about you? How about you? How about you? How about you? **Speaker 4:** How about you? How about you? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. Try that on the spot. I'm good with the help out. I'm going to help out. I know Teresa, she's stepped down on a lot of things. So if anybody wants to step forward. **Speaker 4:** I think we are pre-cutting any of our trees this year. It was just too dry, dry this summer. We don't have any really big ones so we just go at it this year. That's okay. Like I said, I was sure. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't know. a buddy of mine just got one some of them go they like you said they get away from you and they get **Speaker 36:** too big they're kind of the ones that come you have two three but they're all tagged yeah for **Speaker 4:** people sure and you're a monster yeah no i said yeah you've done you know so people call you and yeah we're just doing the shoes i got this year yeah i don't want to waste any cheese **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** yeah i mean if um if someone's gonna do it and you want it just let me know i can get a treat i mean i'm not like even if i have to pay for it i'll get a treat somewhere but uh and i have the stand i can put it up like i always do other than that i don't i'm not going to be doing any uh cerebral **Speaker 33:** well we appreciate it she's done yeah she's been doing six seven years or something like that **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** if they want to do it well when up until she started doing it um when we came here there was no christmas tree at all so if uh they want to continue the tradition i remember going to school here and **Speaker 8:** they always had one in the gym and it was like the size of the one that they had on main street **Speaker 11:** john teeter used to bring it in and then they got concerned with insurance for having a live cruise and that's what they stopped yeah that insurance companies rule in the world **Speaker 4:** that large yeah well they will go up fast sure yeah it's nice like all the kids decorate help decorate the tree **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** okay um if there's no other business i'd like to make the motion to go to executive session for proud pending or probable civil litigation okay all right thank you all for your support thank you **Speaker 11:** it's going to be an opening shot if it doesn't work out for paul i'll ask you to appoint me to run the meeting okay you can always i'm out of here