--- title: "Stamford Select Board — October 24, 2024" date: 2024-10-24 session: special speaker_labels: 1 cluster(s) named from the roll call and that meeting's chair in the minutes, 1 named from roster attendance, 12 of 14 clusters unnamed voice_ids: {"SPEAKER_00":69,"SPEAKER_01":12,"SPEAKER_02":67,"SPEAKER_03":4,"SPEAKER_04":7,"SPEAKER_05":8,"SPEAKER_06":30,"SPEAKER_07":1,"SPEAKER_08":2,"SPEAKER_11":6,"SPEAKER_12":68,"SPEAKER_15":35,"SPEAKER_16":3,"SPEAKER_17":66} duration_min: 103 audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcF2EFrTF3w audio_source: YouTube (@jgramlin78) minutes: https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%2010-24-24%20special%20mtg.pdf minutes_pending: false present: [Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, John Dunn, Kurt Gamari, Douglas Wright] absent: [] transcribed: 2026-10-12 (faster-whisper large-v3, CUDA; names corrected per data/name_fixes.json) diarization: pyannote/speaker-diarization-3.1 (automated; cluster labels may over-split a single voice; unattributed paragraphs have no reliable speaker) --- # Stamford Select Board — October 24, 2024 **Session:** Special · **Duration:** 103 min · [Audio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcF2EFrTF3w) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%2010-24-24%20special%20mtg.pdf) **Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, John Dunn, Kurt Gamari, Douglas Wright --- I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** ...warrant for the special town meeting to purchase and finance the St. John Bosco Church building. We have already signed a purchase and sales agreement tentative on town meeting approval. Nothing is set in stone. This is just to sign the warrant so it can go to a special town meeting on November 25th at 7 o'clock in the school. So that's when you can all voice your opinion and vote. We're not going to get into too much discussion tonight, right? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I personally... If people want to give five minutes, I don't have a problem with that. We always do a slight board meeting. We always have hearing of visitors. If people want to voice their opinion, I don't have a problem with that with the rest of the board. I just don't think we should go because I'm pretty sure everybody's here for the same reason. So keep it to the 15-minute discussion. But really, I want to stress that this is all about giving an opportunity. It doesn't matter. We don't have any skin in the game at all. The opportunity came up. We hear from people a lot that we should have bought this or we should have bought that building. So opportunity came up. We said we're going to... The purchase had to go fairly quick. So we said... But we have plenty of contingencies in place. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Cindy. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Anybody want to talk? **Speaker 1:** So it is a two-part question, if you please. Is there a specific thing that you want the building for? And were you required to put down the deposit? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We had to put down a deposit, which is fully refundable, right up until we sign the deed, is that correct? Yeah. Yeah. Or... Yeah. Yep. **Speaker 2:** If the voters do not approve it, we will get all of our money back. If the inspection fails, we have an opportunity to cancel and get our money back. So... That's understandable. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What was the... Was there a specific use in that? We've heard so many ideas. Ideas that we, the board, has not said, we're going to use it only for this. I'm sure if it does go through, we will be open to a lot of ideas. And I'm sure there's going to have to be many discussions on that. But it's just a beautiful piece of property there. And I hate to lose it because we've lost the range. There was a gravel bank for sale that we passed up on. The building... The building next door to the school with all the land behind it. So, I just thought we'd investigate this. **Speaker 3:** Deb? **Speaker 4:** I have a few questions. You had mentioned right in the beginning, they're subject to financing. And the purchase and sale, it is not subject to financing. So, I'd like to clarify that. So, is it a cash offer? Because there is no financing contingency. **Speaker 5:** Right. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We can add an addendum to... We can add an addendum until tomorrow. **Speaker 4:** Okay. The second question is, it just seems so quick. It does. And the board has known about it for a long time that the church was closing, going up for sale. So, I'm just... We can't just have tonight and then have a meeting. We have to be apprised all along of what's going on. What are the bids? Is the septic good? If not, how much is it going to cost? The water we know is not potable. Do we need a new well? So, these are all things that have to be done from here to the 25th. Who's going to do it? How will we keep informed? Because this is public. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yep. **Speaker 4:** This is public. Yep. Is there a committee? Is it up to the select board? Are you going to keep us advised? This is our money. Yep. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** This will... **Speaker 4:** It's not just a select board meeting. **Speaker 6:** I'd like to address the first question she said would be, did town know about it a long time? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Mm-hmm. Yeah, town did know. Everybody in town knew that the church was closing. And they knew that once the church closes, it would probably, probably go up for sale. So, there was a rumor. Yeah. So, that's what we're doing. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So, I'm not sure if that's a rumor. I'm not sure if that was a rumor. I sit on the finance committee of the church. I knew about it. When the church put it up for sale, there was a bid within two days. Yep. I'm aware of that. Okay. And we came in. The church, specifically, the Father Achalafu, knew that the town was interested and said, I would like to give them an opportunity to go up for sale. Okay. Before I sell it to anybody else. Because he wanted to give the opportunity to townspeople, because he has parishioners in town. He said this would be a good thing. They are kind of concerned of what will happen to this property. And they gave that opportunity. The opportunity, I told Father, I didn't want to be the middleman because I have a conflict of interest if I did that. So, I told Father to get ahold of the town, the board. He did. He did. He did. And he did. He did. He did. And he did. And he did. And he did. And he did. And he did. And he did. And he did. And he did. And he did. And he did. And he did. And he did. And he did. And he did. And he did. And he did. The reason he really did that is after he accepted our bid, after he had a bid, I know that both the bids were equal. So, that is... Well I don't know that but I just know that the bids were equal. Ok. That's is what not came through. The only what came through the church. So, when that happened, the board decided to move forward because there was a short amount of time to do that. That being said there's nothing saying we're buying anything. This is up to you up to the people There's all kinds of contingencies. There's a We're getting inspected. So your sewer and your water and your all your inspections will be done We're getting it inspected where we have an out with the lawyers look at it and say there's something We have an out if the vote doesn't go through Finances we have we we have the buying money We would look afterwards for renovation money at the town hall. We will let everybody know that once we decide the warrant Put what's it going to be? So when you you will know if it doesn't pass the inspection Then we can just pull out if we figure it's going to cost more than the church's work But we'll bring all that to the people. This is nothing that the board is making that decision. I understand but will we know before **Speaker 4:** the **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Special warrant we will have a meeting before the special so we will have **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Sure, how we're going to do the notice if we're going to mail it to everybody with Information in there ten days before the meeting or we're just publishing it that we haven't talked about that yet They publish it in the newspaper We're not going to put all the Finances in there because it's too much So we might just **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Mail everything we don't know and we can also have during our meetings. We can mention it **Speaker 7:** So to get back to the town knew about it, I'm just curious who talked about it Like it got together and when that happened and who decided to use the town money For the down payment for all the inspection stuff like it's nice have to be one that that's us that we might **Speaker 8:** meeting was last meeting last week we met with a special with the emergency meeting last thursday **Speaker 7:** wednesday thursday which just consisted of executive session and then that see you later so i mean i'm just saying like it just seems kind of backdoorish and i know that you're not saying it is but from our perspective like it just kind of looks like hey by the way we put a deposit down and put a full offer on the property and it's like so there's already a cash full price offer the church could one thousand percent say we're putting this on hold until the town can get their stuff together there was no rush there is no rush i've bought enough property i own enough property to know that we can say okay no you didn't have my point is you didn't have to put a bid in you could have said we need to go in front of the town can you put this on hold for 30 days and they would have said no problem i guarantee the church could have done that i don't know what i just that's why that's where my concern is all of a sudden it's just money that wasn't brought up **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** in the town church any deposit we're getting back full deposit we'll get back there's nothing back **Speaker 7:** back door about this now i'm i'm just i'm not saying there is i'm just saying it appears that way because i understand the financing part and i understand if we're going to do cash and i understand if you're going to put a bid in you got to do it in a certain amount of time like i get all that but the if the church is the one holding the cards which you're saying they are we could have simply said **Speaker 9:** hey we're going to have an emergency town meeting let's get everybody involved let's vote to put an **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** offer that waited that long to have the meeting and then when they already have a bid at the same **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** time i don't know i wanted to wait until march and they didn't want to wait until march well **Speaker 7:** they don't have to wait till march they could just wait for the next board meeting which was **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** well we have to have a special week well we could have done it right here oh boy according to the **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** what's the answer from the church was is they weren't waiting so i wasn't at that meeting i was just at the finance meeting but the church itself the decision comes from father shelvin so he decided that's what he was going to do he gave the town the all the provisions to say we'll wait for a vote and so on so that vote is giving you that time period there's no back door anything and i know you keep saying you're not saying that but yard It just appears that way from a and I'm telling you again. There is not I'm sorry if you think that but there is **Speaker 10:** Just an opportunity being brought forward either one or you don't want it. Correct **Speaker 11:** Or laurier, yeah, I don't know **Speaker 2:** So when the realtor called me She called me in the morning and said we have two bids on the table We are aware that the town is interested. I need an answer by noon um if you're interested and you Are interested enough to sign a document and move forward or you're not and when I asked it how long we had She said they don't want to heat it. They don't want to deal with it over the winter. They have other buyers. So you either Need to say yes by noon Or we will proceed to the next buyer And we did not have any more time than that and they did allow us to have the 55 day window to pull A special town meeting together so that It could go for a town vote But that was all the time they were willing to give us **Speaker 7:** I mean that makes total sense I don't disagree that they could come to a come to you guys with that specific words but in the other Sentence they're saying we don't want to heat this we don't want to do anything with it But they got two full price offers that are cash in my brain They're saying I got to get rid of this because I don't want to sell it Why aren't they just taking the full price cash offer rather than coming to us? I mean, that's just the stuff that I think there's more to it than money **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The parishioners I guess you have to go talk to the church about that **Speaker 10:** As long as the town is on your side I would guess that the church wants to see it go to the town But they've been a church **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** There is going to be a stipulation in the deed That it cannot be used for anything sordid and that will stay in the deed according to father. No i'm out of debt **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'll do that **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No it's not in itself You're selling **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's just somebody we can't help **Speaker 12:** We'll leave you a card **Speaker 10:** Coming forward for the town and I can guarantee you there's not going to be another opportunity within the village center for a long time Carolyn this is it **Speaker 1:** Carolyn two questions. Yes one How much did you offer? two Is there a plan in place for? the decisions About how the building gets used What's the process that you? **Speaker 13:** guys are envisioning **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well we offered the asking price $175 As far as use afterwards we haven't discussed that because we want to wait and see what happens at town meeting **Speaker 1:** I'm not asking about what you want to do with it I'm asking do you have a plan in place for a process No I think that would be an important thing to put forward in the warrant Is what the process is Is the process of decision making about how the building gets used Because I think that is one of the big concerns that everybody has We own this building We can't agree on what time to have a meeting So how we can all agree I understand that **Speaker 14:** I actually agree with you **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** There is going to be resistance on both sides And I agree with that That's why I told them to vote I think the best examples of what it can be used for Would be historic building We have our historic Artifacts Our stored in the closet In the janitor's closet So we don't have They are not going to last We have I don't really want to get into too much of it But Kirk can probably get into more About the grant money available in the Village Center It's just amazing Historic thing community center there's many things that we can use it for like a voting voting center that the school doesn't have to be interrupted anymore there's there's a lot of ideas and you know you should have a process and we will and there is you know I thank you for that I mean we will have to do some renovation and that'll be a slow process of starting with the downstairs in my mind at least if I'm even around by then but you know I just think that that would be a good goal I hear a lot of residents always I've only lived there ten years by the way I've been on the board for ten years too so anybody wants to step in I'm getting better but that's nevertheless you know I hear a lot of people say geez before you got here we have an opportunity for this now we have nothing that we can't use the school property ask permission or we the school's in the process we can't go down there if there's children there this would be an opportunity so this is a good thing. **Speaker 15:** Those are some examples that I would say to apply your question I would say that **Speaker 10:** we would have to have some kind of community outreach listening session something like that to get feedback from people who would want to do with the building and the **Speaker 16:** property. In my experience people do not necessarily show up. Well we'll have the opportunity to do that that's all we can do is let them know that the opportunity is there if they come or not. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** See ya. **Speaker 17:** I have some concerns about the emergency meeting and how it was not conducted here's the thing the notice came out without any reference to what statute was going to be used for the executive session I understand I don't I didn't know until tonight what the timeframe was because I understood I don't I didn't know until tonight what the timeframe. of course. But you had a select board meeting scheduled for two nights past that. It doesn't seem like the church, given all the conversations I've heard, like the church would say, no, we can't wait two days for you to bring it together. My other issue is in the minutes from that meeting, the statute listed for going into executive session was a discussion with legal counsel. But yet in the minutes of that, there's no mention that the lawyer was talked to, only a phone call to the real estate agent. And so I'm questioning, is that really a valid executive session? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** At the select board's meeting, we went into executive session, and I believe it was for two legal matters. We have two pending. And like Bill asked, will the town eventually know? Yes, he will know, but we can't say at this point. So as far as the... Emergency, or special meeting, or emergency meeting, or maybe we should have said special, or quick meeting, or work session, but we had to have a meeting. And we didn't go right into executive session because we were discussing a contract. **Speaker 1:** Which is perfectly legal. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So we're not trying to hide anything. **Speaker 10:** There's no shame in any of this. It's just an opportunity that's thrown out there. Can I finish? **Speaker 17:** I'm not trying to imply anything was done. I'm just concerned with the paper trail and the process that non-select board members are seeing, myself mainly. And it seems like this board goes into executive session every meeting. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes, because we've had a legal problem ongoing for quite a while. **Speaker 17:** Okay. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And not the church. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Just recently, we've been going into executive session every meeting. But prior to that, we really don't go into executive session. We don't go into executive session at all compared to the school board who has it on their agenda every meeting. So we have this legal matter, so we have to have that on every meeting for the last four months, I think it was. **Speaker 17:** That's fine. So when you cite the reason for the executive session, talking to the lawyer, that covered one of the issues in the executive session. Do you not have to also cite the other? This is a legal contract. **Speaker 2:** For the church? Just legal. Both. A real estate contract. Negotiating a real estate contract. Yes. They're both on the legal contract. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And we have? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We have. Okay. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That was my question. But you disagree? That's fine. **Speaker 18:** There's better wording to use. **Speaker 19:** For what? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** For legal contract? **Speaker 18:** For discussing a contract and making it public to leave the town at a disadvantage. Okay. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We're not trying to hide anything. **Speaker 20:** We do the best we can. **Speaker 18:** Because it has to do with law. Go ahead. We said I'm a real estate lawyer. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, again, if we waited to two days after, which we couldn't because the realtor said we had to noon that day, trust me, I left work to go to that meeting. Okay? So it wasn't like any of us wanted to go to that meeting. It wasn't a shady deal by any means. But if we went two more days, if the church had allowed us or a realtor allowed us to do that. The outcome would have been exactly the same. The opportunity two more days weren't a matter in my mind So it would have been the outcome would have been the same on that particular contract **Speaker 21:** But we had the other issue to do to the same again. It's just the optics of it **Speaker 17:** Seems off and having heard the explanation now. I'm fine with it **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We probably will go into executive session next meeting for a legal matter because it's not settled yet Just real quick, um **Speaker 4:** Rumors fly. So yes, I would love to have it cleared up Nancy. Are you on the board for the diocese? Also? So **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** She's not conflict. She's on the word for she's on the board. I'm sorry You're on the board of the same but John Bosco, which is close now you're on the board for She is it on the existing board at this moment And that board met prior to this all this was **Speaker 4:** Gonna say two weeks before I did this half. So you don't feel that's a conflict. No. Okay, Nancy. You don't feel it's a conflict signing the document without representation Just curious Okay, um, I mean **Speaker 5:** I'm not getting any finance. **Speaker 4:** Yeah, the finance committee. No, no. No, I'm just perception again. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The finance committee at the church has no authority at all, zero. They're just an advisory board. They just talk to the priest. The priest makes every decision there is, including he makes decisions even without the diocese. It's just the priest that makes the decisions. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We have no say. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You can contact him. You can ask him all the questions he'll show you. He would be more than grateful. He makes all the decisions, trust me, whether you disagree or agree. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Can we? **Speaker 22:** My turn. So between now and the 25th, as well as the purchase price, will there be some sort of an estimate for the other costs that will happen over time and how will those be calculated? We're working on that, yeah. Okay, so maintenance over time, what if something happens? Okay. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I can get to. Some of the, I was just talking to Kurt about it, or John, I can get the utility costs, although, of course, the church doesn't have the electricity costs that we would have if we had it open more often. But the heat would be pretty similar. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, yeah, we only turn the heat up one day. Well, we don't know how many days. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, I mean, we can just see where that is and what the usage is for that day. **Speaker 23:** Thanks. **Speaker 17:** One more. One more question. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes. **Speaker 17:** Unless someone else has one. Do we know yet what the charge will be to the town for the $175,000 as far as tax increase? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Depending on how we do it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** How we finance it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We have the buying money. Okay, so we have, I guess, what you would call separate accounts for almost like a rainy day type account. If we use that, we have the buying money. So we don't have to borrow any money. We use that money to buy it. If we ask, which we will ask for renovation money, if that renovation money, just for numbers, it was $100,000 to renovate it, the numbers on a $50,000 loan, so that $50,000 a year payback, it's approximately $80 on a $350,000 house. Per capita? Per your house. Per for a $150,000 bag. So if you're less than that, it would be less. So about $80. So this would be $40 because it would be about approximately **Speaker 24:** at $100,000 a year, it would be about $25,000 a year. **Speaker 17:** But then do we have to replace the $175,000 in the rainy day fund? We don't need to replace a rainy day fund. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But we have been putting money into those. So we don't need to replace, similar to the fire department. You know, you guys put away so much money, you don't need, you bought your truck, now you don't need to put that. You don't need to put that money away, but you could. So that would go back to a warrant in a regular county. So if we wanted to say, okay, we took $100,000 out of a rainy day fund, which I don't know what a rainy day fund is used for except for the future of the town, that makes sense to me at least. Just like you. Yeah, we have emergency money too. But I'm saying if we take the fire department, bought a $500,000 truck that didn't have $500,000, but before you bought the truck, you were putting $50,000 in there, year in, year out, towards that price. So when we borrowed the money, it was less. Understand? So now you bought the truck, we're making the payments, we could still at the town meeting now say a warrant to continue to put that $50,000 into the fire department. So five, ten years from now, we might have enough to put down on the million dollar fire truck that we're going to have five, ten years from now. That's not even out of line. We don't. **Speaker 17:** Is the Rainy Day Fund, and forgive my ignorance on this, is the Rainy Day Fund continually added to every year? No. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh, we didn't. **Speaker 23:** I don't think it has been at all. **Speaker 17:** So that will be an increase next year if we decide to pump the Rainy Day back in there. Sure. So we'll have the increase for the renovation, the increase for the Rainy Day Fund. If you vote on it. Correct. If you vote on it. In any upkeep. Yeah. And then? My last question is how much comes off the tax roll because that will not be town property? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's not taxable. **Speaker 17:** It's not taxable. **Speaker 25:** It's never been taxable. It's a church. It's a church. Okay. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Now, it could have very well been on a tax roll if someone else bought it. That is a good answer. That's right. If the people that bought it are non-profit organizations or they implement that, then it wouldn't have taxes. So that's, you know, there were two offers on the table and there could have been taxes brought in. So that's a good question. You know, I look at it like, you know, there will be expense to this. Anybody who thinks there's not going to be expense, that's crazy. Of course, it's just, again, I hate to, I'm not picking on the fire department, but I'm using the fire department as an example that there, I think I said it at the town meeting, if you don't want a fire department, don't vote yes. And eventually, it won't be a fire department. There won't be any trucks left, right? So you have that choice. But if you want a fire department, vote yes. You know, buy the truck. Same thing. Same thing with us. If you don't want a future of somewhere to go and have, you know, a center or whatever we decide to do with it, don't vote. It's going to cost money. I don't think anybody thinks it's not. **Speaker 26:** Is it possible, assuming it goes through, you set up a committee or whatever to determine what to do with it, who can use it, and so on, is it within the, the law to charge for its usage? Is that possible? I believe it is. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I believe it is. I think what I've dealt with like that is requesting donations. Yeah. **Speaker 26:** Okay. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So that. **Speaker 26:** Because I'd like to see it generate revenue to, even just for upkeep. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Sure. If you wanted to have, say, a bridal shower or a baby shower or something, and you're a town resident, we say, hey, can you give a donation? Sure. And the donation could be a hundred, like the church does, the church does. Yeah. You know, you want to use the center down there, the recommended donation's a hundred bucks. We're not charging you. But if you don't give me the donation next time around, we might not let you. Yes. **Speaker 27:** You know, I get it, we get it. **Speaker 28:** I just have a question about something else with Consolidated. Could I just buzz it by you? Yeah. I called them over the beginning of the summer and asked them when they were going to remove the telephone pole, and the, you know, and the rocks and the gravel that they left all over my mother's lawn. And they assured me that they'd be there within a couple weeks to take care of it. They came, they cut four feet off the top of the pole, and they haven't been back since. Is there a deadline for them to finish this project? Or are they just going to leave rocks and gravel on everybody's lawn for the next ten years? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't know anything to do with Consolidated. **Speaker 28:** I don't know if you guys can put pressure on them or not. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We cleaned up around the pole because Jim was a Shamoa, because it was a rock pile. Yeah. There's gravel and rocks. **Speaker 29:** There is down here, too. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They left cable in front of my son's house. Oh, that's because, yeah. I, maybe, we will try to reach out to them. I didn't know if the public service board could get out of the way. I don't know if we can squeeze on the, you know, it's a private thing between the buyer. But we will, we can reach out to them, I would say, and send them a letter at the very least. I mean. And say that the residents are unhappy with the, you know, the way everything was left. Could you come back and clean up a little bit? **Speaker 28:** They assured me they were going to clean it up. Yeah. And they never came back. I mean, I don't, I don't have a problem with sending them a letter. Thank you. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, can we move on to the warrant now? **Speaker 28:** Yes, telephone lawyers are still up to that. They would transfer them to the newspaper. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We have a couple different articles on here. **Speaker 18:** Oh, nice. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So, article one is, I think we're kind of in agreement that we do not want to finance this. We want to use the money that we have to buy the building outright. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So, I think Laurie sent the email to us about the interest rates. Yeah. If I'm not mistaken, it's around, however, around seven, seven and a half percent. **Speaker 2:** Seven and nine. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. So, I'd rather use the money that we have, you know, inflation makes money in the bank go down, not up. So, I'd rather use the money in the bank, like we talked about on executive session, and I would like to ask for a renovation money, which would be a lot less on the borrower side. **Speaker 30:** Which we don't know what it will be yet until the inspection. **Speaker 18:** Right. Okay. **Speaker 31:** And that could be, you know, a deal-breaker. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You know, they come in and say, hey, look, we've got to spend a million dollars on this. And you just say, thank you, see you later. And that. **Speaker 22:** And thank you. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And that inspection, we don't have to give that to the other buyers or anything. That's our inspection. We paid for it. Yeah. Yeah, that's our . Yep. **Speaker 1:** But the renovation is going to be dependent on your use. The intended use. **Speaker 32:** Correct. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But we know that if we get an inspection and they say, you need a new sewer system, that's $40,000. Yeah. But if they say, you need a new sewer system. That's all? Yeah. I think it's more than that. I could get you a bid on that building for less than $40,000. But if you're buying something more than that, let me know and I'll help you out on that. **Speaker 10:** It's going to be a public space, I'm sure. I'd pay $28,000. Just a public space with all the . That's a six-bedroom. Wrinkler systems. Yeah. You know, a sprinkler system would have to be installed. **Speaker 4:** Yeah. That was my question. **Speaker 33:** Does it have to be fully ADA compliant? **Speaker 10:** ADA compliant. There's a list of about 40 grants right there. The Village Center designation. I haven't, I'm not a big grant guy, I haven't thoroughly studied through them. Anybody's welcome to look at it. It's public knowledge. But there is the potential for a lot of money to be available to do, you know, to bring the place into compliance. **Speaker 17:** But there's no guarantee you'd get the grant, right? **Speaker 10:** Right. Because it's in the Village Center designation, we'll probably more than likely have a, we'll have a pretty good shot at getting that grant. **Speaker 4:** Probably more than likely. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** A lot of times, the Village Center applies to the Village Center. We did. So we made that decision before. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Two or three years ago, when you were on there? Yep. For, yeah. **Speaker 4:** So, can, how come, I mean, why would you forego this financing? I'm sorry, I'm stuck on it. Why wouldn't you just go forward with a finance contingency and use the money, or rainy day money, at the back end? I mean, if you give up, I have a tough time. I mean, money in the bank's money in the bank. It should be, rainy day fund is there for a reason. Why not go through the financing? Why not secure something? You don't have to sign at the end of the day. You don't, you can back away from that. Why would you do that, if that's all we have? **Speaker 30:** I can only speak for myself, but my opinion would be to try to lessen the burden on you, as taxpayers. **Speaker 4:** Either way, you're going to have a loan. Either way, you're going to have a loan. And it's, it's less expensive to get your primary financing than secondary financing. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're asking, we're asking for the financing from the bank for renovation, and that interest rate is about the same as getting the primary. We would still use the equity from the building, if we, if we ended up buying it. And that, again, is, to me, as a business person, it is much better to spend money under your pillow, and then hold on to it for years. And a dollar bill goes down every year, and the last four years, it's gone between nine and 15% less buying power, that dollar bill, because you get no money for it. **Speaker 4:** You'll just know what it is today. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Exactly. **Speaker 4:** No, it's in finance now. If you, I, I've been on the side of finding. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I take a loan out every five years. **Speaker 4:** Yeah, I get it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's 35 years, I think. **Speaker 4:** I just think, as a community, we should hold on to our money. My, my opinion. I disagree. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's fine. $32,660 in one fund. That's the Future Leads Fund. **Speaker 8:** It's been sitting there for quite a few years, probably, because we used some for broadband. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What is the rating day for? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We used some to build this addition, and it was all, all this money was received from the sale of Alpenwald Lots when we had the big tax sale out in the gym, and probably in 2006, I think that might be it. **Speaker 28:** 2006. Maybe the money from the Grange that was sold back then. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's, no, I don't know where that went. That's not in there. That's before my time, so that's not in there. Okay, good. I think at one time from the sale of the Alpenwald, we had probably 100,000 or so, and like I said, it went for this addition, broadband, and I think it was something else that we used it for. I have to go back and tell reports and see that. So you were telling about the funds. So that's a 32 there. Mm-hmm. The other one is the invested funds. We have about 161,000 in that. That fund is from when people sold their land to National Forest. We lost money. So the select board at that time in the late 80s, mid-80s, asked the person that was selling their land to please give us some money in lieu of taxes. Okay. And that's what we're losing. I don't know if the National Forest was structured, if they structured their payments to the town back then, or if we, I don't know what we did, but the selectman asked for money. It was put in there. Every year, Lori takes money out of these, out of this account to help reduce your taxes. And what do you usually take out? Five? 8,000? I take out the interest. The interest. The interest. **Speaker 1:** So there will be an impact when you remove that money from an invested fund. You'll pay taxes on that. Right. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We'll pay taxes on it? No. It's in the money market. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. But you're, yeah, but she does in lieu of taxes. It does. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** In lieu of your, to help you. **Speaker 29:** The interest. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I understand. Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** But a lot less money then if we borrow. But it's not invested. 9%, right? We have to pay taxes on whatever. No. It was at one time we were really getting good, good money for that. Yeah. But it can't, a town can't do that. We have to be more secure. But we learn these things over the years. Is there anything left after you buy the building that is approved? Is there anything left? No. No. The closing costs are probably. It was a lot there. Because we figure inspection costs, attorney closing fee, transfer tax due to the state. What did we come up with? 192 or something like that. Well, then you have to have a letter of counsel. That's right. That's right. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's right. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. **Speaker 34:** That's right. **Speaker 35:** That's right. **Speaker 34:** Yeah. That's right. That's right. That's right. Yeah. That's right. All right. **Speaker 1:** You have a letter of counsel. I think you have a letter of counsel. That's not going to be enough. The micro blast that we had on Clendon's Road that some other people experienced in. If we've had an emergency, what money do we have left to deal with it? When this building lifted of its foundation. Insurance. Insurance. Yeah. Just saying. Everything's insuring. Yep. We may have a warming center, potentially, because we . **Speaker 10:** We'll let them know that they're going to move around, everything is insured. OK. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Great. Thank you. No problem. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And that building is not in the floodplain. Some of the land in the back is, but that thing is not. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** One thing I think, and I would like to put this as public knowledge, is the building wasn't taxable, but it was insured for the value that the insurance company said was $356,000. So that number shows. There's an opinion. I think the church voted for a lot less than we could have voted for. But that's just an opinion on my side. Like, it just seems like it was a pretty fair price for the church to put it out there. But, you know, if you look at what buildings are selling for in this town right now, and you guys all got your evaluations, that building will be definitely bagged more than $175,000. **Speaker 18:** How much property is that guy? **Speaker 19:** About $40,000. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And down in the back is beautiful. Last week I walked it. It was the first time in 55 years that I walked. Down in the back, beautiful land, right to the river. It's kind of flat, but, I mean, if you have a flood, it's going to come up. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** As money-wise, you know, you say envision, but what am I, when I was looking at whether or not we were going to sign this, if everything went through, the inspector said, hey, there's very minimal things that happened. So it wasn't this big box. If it was a big box, we probably wouldn't go forward anyway. But if we went, let's just say we put $50,000 into renovations, just to bring it up to, you know, par, I don't know what codes are or not or anything, but if we did that, and a year goes by and we said, look, nobody's using this, we're not going to, if we put that up for sale, and I don't feel we're going to lose anything. And I just think that if you look at just the history of Stamford, you know, places are selling, I mean, they're putting things on harvester, selling in two days, you know. So I just think that it's a good investment down the road, you know. That would be my opinion on the board, is that it's a good idea to purchase it. You know, we know there's two other bids. They must have thought the same thing. **Speaker 1:** One last question. If a private enterprise made a proposal to put, say, a coffee shop in there, would that be something that would be entertained? Yes. By the board, would that be thrown into the mix of possible uses? **Speaker 18:** The town could lease space. **Speaker 1:** That's what I'm asking. Because I don't know the other side of the space. Whether it's dual use or. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's probably one of the things that could happen in there. I mean, we're not even there yet. **Speaker 1:** That's not out of the realm of possibility. **Speaker 7:** That's a good idea, actually. Is the inspection due to happen? Soon? Yeah. So what will we all get a copy of that report? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Is it be interesting to see on our end? I don't know that, probably. **Speaker 17:** Well, Mike said that it wouldn't be shared with the others. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's in the best interest of the town right now. I don't know that. Because if that copy got out to the other bidders, you know, they know. I don't know if that's fair to the church to do that. But, I mean. I think that if there's a, I think that the people should know what the expense would be. **Speaker 25:** At least the estimates of what they find, what the cost might be. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If this, you know, if they come back and they say this is going to be $500,000 to renovate this, you know. Yeah. That's just a little bit. **Speaker 36:** But I think. **Speaker 22:** Experts don't usually do that, though. They just say what's wrong. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, that's what I was going to ask. Yeah. Yeah, they don't. Let's just say that the. Sore needs to get replaced. And let's just say it's more than $40,000. Let's go $60,000, right? So that's $60,000. That's a lot of money. And then they say you've got to put an artesian well in. That's another $15,000, $20,000. So now you're up to $80,000 before you do any carpentry work, you know. So then we can look at it and say, this is getting too much. **Speaker 4:** Do we have somebody in mind that's going to, I mean, I'm sure the attorney or whomever. I just know that when Poundell went through all of. You know, when they bought, did they build a new center? It was, I think, in excess of a million dollars. So for us to bring a municipal building up to ADA compliancy, I can only imagine the expense. I know people who have had to go through it just to add an apartment down in Massachusetts. Different. But, you know, sprinkler system isn't cheap. Your insurance rate, of course, goes up once you put sprinklers in. So all of these. These things, I mean, we have such a small time to get these numbers together before the meeting. And we all have to know. And it's got to get out to the townspeople. They have to. Sure. That's what I said in the beginning. And so do you have people lined up? Because the inspection contingency is kind of short. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** November. We can ask also for extra time any time we want. They actually said to us, just give them a call and they will change that. **Speaker 2:** I think they want to work with us. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If the inspection took longer or if it took longer for us to get those contractors to give us the bids and we find that out. You can't ask contractors until you find out what you need. Right. We can call the church and put it right in there. They said they would put whatever we need in there as long as we're moving forward. So the realtor was wonderful. **Speaker 4:** But she's not looking out for your interest. She's looking out for. **Speaker 37:** She's looking out for the Catholic. Yeah. **Speaker 4:** She's looking out for the church. Well. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So I guess that's not true. **Speaker 4:** It's still, she's still not representing you. Oh, no, I understand. Yeah. So she may be sweet and kind, but beware. Yeah. Yeah. Some realtors can do that. I understand. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So you're, I'm just going to ask you this, the inspectors, they will tell us what is wrong. **Speaker 4:** They will, they will identify issues that you should be aware of. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And then we would get our own contractor in. How much to bring this electric? **Speaker 3:** How much for ADA, how much for septic, water, or you could go back to the diocese and say, **Speaker 4:** you know what, it's going to cost us X amount. Yeah, let's reduce the price by this amount. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's actually what I did when I put my sewer in, I said to the bot or the seller, I said, look, it's going to cost me $28,000, which was the middle bid, not the high bid, not the low bid. It was, but it was A1 and that was my buddy and I wanted him to do it. And I said, this is what it's going to cost. And the seller said, no problem. You can't sell it when you, until you do that anyway. So they had to do it. Well, you can sell it if you don't have cash, cash, absolutely. Who would want, who would want to put a sewer in. So they did it. No problem. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Can we move on to the Warren article, which one do we want? So the town, so the voters of the town of Stamford authorized the purchase of the former St. John Bosco church building located at 818 Main Road, Stamford for the price of $175,000. We don't want to authorize, we don't want to authorize border wing because we don't want the border wing in there. Right? Right. These are a variety of different articles that the, I think we want articles, third article. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Even though we've done a four for the borrowing or something that more down to exceed $100,000. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** But the first, I think what we want for the first article is the third article, one down. So this one, this one, this one, the shortage. So the town of Stamford purchased the former St. John Bosco building located at 818 Main Road. For the price of $175,000, yes or no, if it's no, we're done. Paul. **Speaker 26:** Okay. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right. **Speaker 26:** Yes, ma'am. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. **Speaker 38:** Whatever you say, I'll be there and I am going to request paper ballot. **Speaker 4:** So we know, I just don't understand why you would not sign that first one. Sorry. I'm hung up on that mortgage. You don't have to go through with it, but now you're taking that away. You're taking that out of the equation. It doesn't mean you have to finance it. **Speaker 2:** If the voters vote. You have to finance it through a mortgage. You have to do it. That's the vote I vote. **Speaker 26:** Yeah. That's it. **Speaker 4:** They, then they can't. If the voters tell you to do it that way, you got to do it that way. I just don't want to see every penny that we have in security, but that's me. **Speaker 39:** You want to do half of that, pay half of it in finance? **Speaker 4:** No, don't. No. I'm just, it's just my security. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Do it the way you're doing it. Yeah. We have, we have insurance for any building, any truck, any vehicle that we have in town. We have insurance for all that. We have insurance for the contents of the building. The town garage and the top contents of this place, any emergency that can foresee that the generator went out, the school has money, right? So I just don't see any emergency that we would need at this point that we wouldn't be able to go to bank and borrow money and be back in that same situation. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And borrowing money from these accounts, we borrowed it for the fire truck. We borrowed it to pay for our own vehicles. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I paid back a quarter million dollars on a hundred, you know, a hundred and something thousand, a few more than that. You'll be doubling the money, you know, that over five years, just to me, the interest rates are too high at this time. I mean, we can very well, by the time we sign it and do it, it could be eight, nine percent. Why do you even get that far? I don't think, you know, if the townspeople don't want it, I don't think we have to worry about that. Personally, I just think that it's financially responsible to not borrow money and not have to pay that much back versus the dollar in your, like you said, you put a dollar in your pillow, you know, that dollar goes away. I mean, think about it, you know? I agree. You guys put a dollar in your pillow when you were 18. How much is it? You've got buying power now. You could get a whole tank of gas back then. Taxes took it all the way in. Exactly. There you go. **Speaker 18:** So somebody's making money. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So where are we going with the third article? Third article number two. Third article number one. Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. All in favor? **Speaker 10:** Aye. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All in favor? Aye. Okay. Then article two. So we're going to buy it. Now we've got to come up with the money. Shall the Town of Stamford release and replete the Balance in the Future Needs Fund, estimated to be $32,660 for the use and purchase price? Motion. For use toward the purchase. This, um, what's that word? You want to change it? Toward? No. Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? **Speaker 29:** Toward what? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? Toward what? **Speaker 18:** What? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** g. Oh. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Peering center? Yeah, yeah.. No, no, that's okay, right? Yeah. Toward the.....just take out for use? Just take that out for the burge price? Yeah. We have to say release and replete because this Fund was set up, the Select Four could not just spend it willy nilly however you wanted it, it had to be at a Tellett Supervisor. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Motion. Second. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All in favor? Aye. Shall the Town of... The town of Stamford released up to $155,000 from the investment funds towards the purchase price. And that $155,000 will hopefully include the inspection, the closing fee, transfer tax due to the state, reporting fee. So I have a question on that. We can waive the reporting fee. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay, but I have a question on this though. I'm just part of that. We're getting that inspection, we have to pay that anyways. If this is up going to the common vote, where's the money coming from for the inspection in the first place? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Comes out of select board budget, and it's not in the line item, so- **Speaker 29:** Right, so it's going to be over budget. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** On that one. On that one, okay. One line item. You don't always put- **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** People know that we're doing this, but we have to use money. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We look for extra money in- **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That was my question. We're- Yeah, well, the inspection money, we're going to have to pay it before this goes to a vote. So if the vote is no, we're out with inspection money. **Speaker 4:** What kind of septic inspection are you going to do? I am not sure. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Basic one. **Speaker 4:** Basic? **Speaker 17:** If one or two pass, but three doesn't, what happens? We don't have the money. **Speaker 40:** Oh yeah. **Speaker 41:** We can't buy it. Okay. So it kills- It's just contingent to the finance. And if we don't have the money, if you guys don't pass the money, we can't buy it. We go back to the . **Speaker 42:** Well, wait a minute, that's right. **Speaker 43:** So if our number one passes- **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** There's your finance problem right there. People say we want to buy it, the 175, they say yes, but they don't finance it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We can't buy that. We tell them we can't buy it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Swap the order and pull them off the end. **Speaker 7:** So you guys are doing a Title V inspection? I'm not doing a Title V inspection. I know it's not required in Vermont, but I'm just asking it so you know. **Speaker 1:** You all want more? Yeah. Why? I agree to pay 175, and I don't have funds to pay it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I know Article 2 has to be a separate warrant because that is- **Speaker 1:** We got to release the money. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We have to release that. Article 2 must be separate, just by the way that- **Speaker 1:** But 155, not so much. **Speaker 32:** No, so- **Speaker 1:** So you could wrap that in- **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I just don't think it's really, yeah, I mean, either way we have to, if you're going to all vote to buy it, and you vote not to have the financing, that was fun, let's have it, you know. **Speaker 18:** You can't really take money out of the invested funds without having to vote. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right, right, so I mean, either way, you can put it in, it doesn't matter to me, you know. If everybody goes there and votes yes and doesn't vote for the financing, and you know that you can't do it without, you buy it without the financing, you know, shame on you guys, we'll go out and have a beer or whatever. **Speaker 29:** We can add that to the sign from, oh, I should not have mentioned that, I'm sorry. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We're not going to say that word anymore. So does that make sense here, what we're doing, one, two, and three? Yes. Laurie, yes? **Speaker 2:** Oh, I was looking for inspection information on the subject system. What they, and I don't know anything about 205, what this one would do is- **Speaker 4:** It's just a little camera that goes in. **Speaker 2:** It would provide a scope that goes from the building to the main, to the tank, to the D box slash leased field- So, yeah, that's, that's a- **Speaker 4:** That's a full- That's a $900 inspection, right there. **Speaker 2:** Well, that's what, that's what we're getting. **Speaker 4:** Okay, so it's not a simple one. That, that's a title. Just a company called it a basic. **Speaker 2:** Yeah. **Speaker 4:** Maybe that's all they do. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They're, they're regular inspectors. **Speaker 4:** Okay. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Who's doing the inspections? Norway Hill Home Inspectors. **Speaker 4:** And he does both, or they do, they do the septic? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes. **Speaker 4:** And is the water going out for testing? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They will be doing- They will be doing that. **Speaker 4:** So, we will know if we- **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The search will be on with the basic, okay. **Speaker 2:** Foundation structure, roof, portraits, decks, electrical, plumbing, windows, doors, heating, AC, appliances that are permanently installed. Big company. Yard drainage. **Speaker 17:** Oh, good. Drainage. **Speaker 21:** Garage. **Speaker 17:** Let's fix that. Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Hey, you're happy, you should be happy, you got water right now, it's so dry out there. There's a lot of water. **Speaker 17:** There's a lot of water. There's a lot of water. There's no water. No. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You have a shower well? **Speaker 17:** Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh, you still- **Speaker 17:** It's still good, but when we get a storm, everything off that parking lot comes right to one another. All good. **Speaker 1:** Yeah. I'm really confused about this financing business, because the town votes to buy the building, but then we, and there will be results of an inspection, right? Does the town vote on whether that... Those costs? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That's coming. That's coming in the $100,000 we're asking for. That will exceed the $100,000. Again, if these inspections come and they're way over this $100,000, we're going to let you know that. I mean, we're not going to, you know, going forward, I would think that this board, and I'm just speaking for myself, not the whole board, if it comes in at $400 million, I don't see us buying that. **Speaker 1:** And that'll be before the vote, we could cancel the board, we could cancel the town meeting, or... **Speaker 30:** Yeah, we could pull all of this stuff out. Yeah, that's good. That's going to be probably contingent on the inspection as soon as the inspection comes in. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We have a contingency for the inspection. If this comes back and we go, boy, we've got to put all this in there, we don't need, I mean, just by, you know, common sense, we know that a sewer's going to cost in that ballpark, and we know that a well's going to cost this much. If they come in and say, oh, look it, you've got a, you know, hazardous waste or something in the building, then that's going to cost $100,000. Yes. You know, those type of things, we can just say, we're out. We don't want to get involved in it. **Speaker 1:** And then the meeting would not happen? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No, that would be it. **Speaker 1:** The warrant issue would be trashed? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No, everything would be in our own void, yep. **Speaker 32:** That's what the board would be watching. **Speaker 1:** Have you decided what number that is? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, we don't, we know we don't want to go over $100,000 for renovation, so when we get that, if we're not sure, it'll be in the town meeting, and we'll be able to decide that. **Speaker 1:** What about those estimates by then? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. If we weren't sure, say it was $75,000, and we said, well, people, this is what it's going to cost just to renovate it, and it's $75,000 before we put any bells and whistles in this place, what do you think? Should we move forward? Everybody might go, no. **Speaker 1:** So, but will there be multiple bids? You know, then you have to go out to a contractor, you have to get multiple bids. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But multiple bids are not necessary for the numbers at the town hall. Multiple bids are for getting a better deal later on. You could take, look at it. If I buy, if I buy material, Carl wants a job done, and I go, oh, I'm looking up, and my material guy says it's $1,000 for material. I tell him, job's $2,000. He says, deal. Gives me a purchase order. Then I go buy, and I ask the next deal guy, and he goes, hey, it's a $700 for the same material. I don't go back and tell him. That's, that's my due diligence to make money. That's what we would do on the, if we got more than one contractor. But for town hall, we know that at least one bidder. It's going to cost as much, whether high or low, it doesn't matter. **Speaker 1:** Correct. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So all the numbers will be. We will get as many numbers as we can by town meeting. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. But we, you know, I mean, if we want to get a better deal, that'd be great. But the townspeople might say, look it, we get two bids, and one guy goes out of business next year. **Speaker 1:** Right. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So you want to go the high guy, you know. **Speaker 1:** Who on the board, you guys are going to take this on? This is a lot of work, but if you want to help. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're hiring out people right now for these inspections, and then we're going to have to get contractors. **Speaker 1:** Well, you already are doing that. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We have people in mind, too, who are contractors. Townspeople, sub-townspeople. They're our license insured. And we're not. Can I hire my son, even though he's probably the best carpenter in town? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Do we not? Can you put it out for bids? No, we're not going out for bids. I'm thinking we're just going to ask them to come give us an estimate. We're not going out for bids. **Speaker 44:** No, you don't need to. **Speaker 10:** You just need one. No, you don't need to. Bids for an estimate. You just need this general ballpark. Right. **Speaker 15:** You know, like I said, this is extraordinarily high. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think this board would go right back and say, that's it. I know I would push for that. I'm not going to. I don't want to go spend it in a million dollars, like Powell did. But they've got a, you know, a lot of building. Yeah. **Speaker 45:** And that's huge. **Speaker 30:** And there's more people to add on to this building at that point. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, this building, you know, has what we call good bulbs. Now, I've been through that. You know, my son has been through it because my son, we went down, we took all the pews out of it. So we know what it looks like. And it's a good building. Does it need good? **Speaker 41:** Absolutely. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Absolutely. Does it have to get up to 80 feet compliant? You know, what does that entail? A ramp? Or does it entail more? You know, bathrooms? You know, so we'll look at that. If it's open, you know, if it's going to be a, you know, educational system versus, you know, a senior center. **Speaker 21:** It's a whole different ballgame, you know, but we can look into that down the road, you **Speaker 17:** know, third floor condemned at one time, not condemned, but not usable for the second floor. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The second Bishop said we could not have catechism up there because of the way the rooms were set up. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** There was no second fire escape. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Fire escape comes there. So the one set of stairs goes out to the road. The other set of stairs brings you down. Back into the building. And there was no central hallway upstairs. The rooms were like real. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So one of the things that again, when you say in the vision, this is just me again. Um, if I was going to renovate this for the town, I would just, you know, put all my energy in the downstairs at this time, use the upstairs for storage, for our historical stuff and so on. I would go slow. Make sure we're going to use it. Before we put a lot of money into it and that I'm, I'm thinking downstairs and make some kind of center out of it for people with, you know, a social type of thing. See if it works. If this isn't working, nobody's showing up, no one's using that, you know, is it feasible to keep paying for it and put it up for, you know, that's what I'm looking at. Why would we go upstairs and start putting in, you know, a whole bunch of office space? Maybe we could like have a special office there. So you don't have to come in here. We could eventually bring the town office. You know, I'm not saying we will. I'm just saying there might be an office space available upstairs. **Speaker 24:** It would be more private and it wouldn't be open to the public, you know, as in a butter. **Speaker 17:** And we love the deep problems. Is the property going to be surveyed? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I haven't even, there is no, we, I know there is no survey and we haven't talked about surveying. **Speaker 17:** It could have been a survey, if you want to survey yourself. **Speaker 21:** Yeah, I was kind of thinking the other way, I can't survey or I'll tell you not to use, I'll give you his name later. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Laurie, back to the articles, would it make more sense to do article two first, article three, and then go down to purchasing the church building? **Speaker 46:** It's kind of sneaky. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No, what do you think? **Speaker 18:** Are you going to vote for Mike to finance something that you haven't agreed to? Yeah, I don't think so. The order that you have is a good one. But first the decision that you're going to go forward with buying it, two to release the money, and three to get it to against. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It just doesn't, it doesn't make sense, but I guess I've seen it, I thought I saw everything, but it doesn't make sense to power vote to pass this and not pass the budget. I mean, it just, to me, I'm not. **Speaker 25:** Well, stranger things have happened. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right, I thought I saw everything. **Speaker 18:** Somebody said we split. And divide two and approve three, and give you the bulk of the money and tell you, we want to borrow the other $35,000. Yep. **Speaker 4:** But that would be a no then, because you don't have, you're not doing the financing. No, it's a no, they're not doing financing. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Add this, read number four. Oh. That's really hard. Are we going to have, okay. **Speaker 8:** So number one says that we're voting on. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. It says we're buying it, it doesn't say how we're financing it at the time. Right. So it wouldn't be a no. Donald Stamford. So then the financing, if they did say that, we could add, we could put an amendment in, vote for an amendment to add that, borrow it, correct? **Speaker 26:** It's in there, in four. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, four. **Speaker 26:** Yeah, four, in four. I pressed it, I didn't read it. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So Donald, Donald Stamford borrowed a sum that would not exceed $100,000 if article two and three are passed. Or. Or $288,000 if article two and three are not passed, we could put an amendment in there, or if article two is not passed, it's the difference. **Speaker 4:** Then you've got to change the purchase and sale, because it says it's not contingent upon financing. Number seven, you've got to change it. **Speaker 18:** They don't have to change the purchase and sale if they don't use the contingency. **Speaker 46:** The contingency is in there. **Speaker 4:** If they then go back and say, hold on, we're going to be, this is. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The contingency is based on a convoy. Hold for all. Doesn't say financing. **Speaker 4:** There is a number seven in there that says this purchase and sale is not subject to financing, period. So if you're going to introduce financing. Yeah, number seven. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** In the purchase and sale agreement. **Speaker 4:** And it's very clear. That's what I was saying in the beginning. You signed saying you're not going to finance. **Speaker 34:** I think. **Speaker 47:** I think. **Speaker 4:** Number seven. So, so then you would lose your 10,000 if you came back and they could, they could be jerks about it if you came back to them and said, hey, we need to finance and they're like, sorry, you forfeit your your money. Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So all I have to do is, or all we have to do is call them and say in the first contingency, put all vote voting of the purchase or financing on the purchase. Have to be voted upon that come in if, if it voted down, then we can't do it. I'm just telling them to change that. **Speaker 2:** See the hard part. And then you can buy it with cash and own it and then later finance a hundred, but that's just a cookie cutter. Two and three are voted down and then, and then you end up financing the whole paper rule. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Now you've got time to wait for the bank. I think the attorney did say something. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** About financing in the, so we can just go back and change number seven to is instead of is not, and then we'll, we'll be covered. Correct. **Speaker 4:** Right. And, but when I brought that up, you said, no, we can't, because you're trying to get it. I mean, it's a catch 22 because you're trying to, you, you want it to be cash. You want to use our rainy day, right? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So what did they have to do with number seven? **Speaker 4:** Because now you're saying if one or two. And three or one of two and three doesn't go through, you're throwing that financing contingency into the mix, which I'm looking at the contingency of saying the pound voters voting. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No, I would talk to the, okay. So what I would do, well, I don't think you need to, I think you just need to tell us the church to put in the contingency. If any of the voting goes, no, whether it's the financing or the purchase. Use the. It's over. Yeah. Townspeople vote no, which again, I don't see why you would vote yes and not finance it. **Speaker 2:** So maybe you don't want that article for the way it's written. You just want to borrow a hundred thousand later after you buy it and not have the second half of the article. **Speaker 4:** It should have been, it should have been written. There should be another one. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Two and three. All in one article. **Speaker 37:** Oh, don't you can define. **Speaker 4:** If you define financing and say financing means borrowing, borrowing from yourself, then you'd be covered and just not fill in the percentage rates and everything. But you really need to define that. If you're going to put that in, I don't know. I, when I write these things, I get, I don't just fill that little box. It's many pages because you really need to protect yourself. I'm not. It's the, it's the Catholic church. **Speaker 48:** I'm sure they're going to not do anything, but you clearly weren't raised in that. **Speaker 4:** No, I was. **Speaker 48:** I was not. **Speaker 26:** Just kidding. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm not defending their financial status. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So do you want me to go back to the attorney and have him put that number seven there? **Speaker 35:** I would just ask him. **Speaker 34:** But I mean, I think you can go back to the church to tell him. **Speaker 49:** This is what we're doing to give us a couple of minutes, you know, a couple of days to make sure we do that, you know, don't like they said, don't add anything you want for that contract, pretty much anything, except that they won't finance it for you. **Speaker 4:** They're broke. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They need the money. **Speaker 4:** They need the money. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The church is not broke. The diocese is broke. Yes. Let's get that straight. This goes, all this money goes right into the church, not the diocese. **Speaker 36:** Okay, good. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So we're agreeable with that. One, two, and three. Four, what are we doing with four? **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Call it five. Come on, that's a little funny. You got a couple last. **Speaker 8:** A couple, yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Is this my time? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Are we doing four? Yes, we got to do four. Sure. We got to do four. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Got to have money. Find the money before we can buy it. 100,000. **Speaker 25:** Just gives the option. Yeah. Gives the option. We can go out and do four. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All right. We're doing three or past. We're 288. 288, if Article 2 and 3 are not passed. So Article 2 and 3, what do they add up to? They don't add up to 288? **Speaker 2:** 187,000. No, 6-0. 187. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** 187 what? **Speaker 26:** 6-6-0. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** 188. **Speaker 26:** What's 100? **Speaker 10:** 4,000 dollars. 288. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** 100,000 and 187 is 287. We're calling it 288. We're 1,000 dollars off. Who did this math? **Speaker 22:** Me. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah. **Speaker 50:** Who did this math? **Speaker 22:** What number do you want? It doesn't include the inspection that you said was going to be paid for separately anyway. Right. So that's how we want it all. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Do you want to include that? I don't imagine we can. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, the 100,000. We'll cover it. Yeah. The 100,000 is going to cover that inspection anyway. So that's our first 1,000 dollars going to that. **Speaker 2:** We'll pass. **Speaker 51:** Okay. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** 288. **Speaker 2:** So borrowing 100,000 is probably a rather easy thing to do within a five-year period. **Speaker 17:** Right. **Speaker 2:** But if you're looking at 288, do you want to try and keep it within five years? Because that'll be a higher payment, but then you're going to have to go bonding, which changes the whole wording of all of this. All meaning everything. It becomes not a town meeting vote, but an Australian ballot vote. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Which person wants it to be? **Speaker 52:** Not a paper ballot during a town meeting night, but an actual printed ballot. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Printed ballot. Printed ballot. Why are we putting the... If we're... As a board, we just voted it... As a board, now, this board here, we just voted in article two and three, to be honest. Why are we putting in the... **Speaker 30:** Because you're going to want to borrow 100,000 for renovations. Or the 200,000. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. But let's take that 200,000. Right. This is just an article three. Right. This is just an article four to borrow the money. Yeah, so you want to borrow 100,000 not to... This whole thing... To lay out again, this whole thing should pass or not pass. You shouldn't be handpicking at it. So it should say, if it passes, it should be borrowed 100,000 for renovations. Right. But these two... Article two and three must pass, so I would go forward. **Speaker 31:** Yeah, if two and three doesn't pass, four doesn't matter. **Speaker 30:** Yeah. So... So we get rid of the 288? So the town of Stamford borrows some not to exceed $100,000... If our... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If our... If our... If our... If our... **Speaker 45:** If our... **Speaker 30:** If our... If our... **Speaker 2:** If our... If our... **Speaker 30:** If our... **Speaker 2:** If our... If our... If our... If our... If our... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If our... **Speaker 2:** If our... If our... If our... **Speaker 52:** If our... **Speaker 2:** If our... If our... If our... **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If our... If our... If our... If our... If our... If our... If our... If our... If our... If our... If our... If our... If our... If our... **Speaker 53:** If our... **Speaker 54:** If our... **Speaker 35:** If our... **Speaker 54:** then we wouldn't have capital expense in our australian ballot um that's where that well **Speaker 55:** the abusing article is i used to take that out then we don't have to worry about that just leave **Speaker 10:** it like that don't even put four in no no just not for that 100 grand just the other two improvements **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** are assets oh more than five years of procedure yeah fine but we know we can go five years with **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** a hundred thousand that's how do you do that three thousand for every three hundred fifty **Speaker 52:** thousand on your bag it's forty thousand or forty dollars how long do you think you might know for **Speaker 56:** grants in this village central district you may never need the four hundred thousand i'm wondering **Speaker 2:** if i gotta call i gotta make the call if you just did one two and three in the past you buy the building yeah now we have an honor town meeting in march that's what i was thinking you could at that point have more information on grants or donations or other fundraising but we will **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** but we will go over budget on keeping the church uh heated in electricity i don't know how much but we will go over budget and i think that when we did the sales agreement to it said if there is oil then we have to buy that now yeah so that you know that monies we have to i mean i think we have enough money to buy their first tank but afterwards how many tanks will we use i don't know it's just i'm just saying you haven't been here in january yeah yeah really next year so we have three months of next year's money **Speaker 25:** yeah and you turn the temperature down in here throughout the building yeah a degree and you can start using that you're right yes i am you're right put a sweater on i have no problem with that **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i know that the church has no problem with that that's right put a sweater on i know when we go **Speaker 29:** sweaters on because it's cold and the seats are cold nobody wants to move over because it takes **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** 10 hours to heat the fuse up and we're over there now or something yeah not worth it no you know **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** okay so we agree on article one two and three we're not doing four we have to do five **Speaker 29:** okay oh we already made a motion for one two and three anyway but in but in march you want to make **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** you want to put it on for renovations which one yeah well i think we will you'll have a lot more information then sure and if like i said if the inspection comes back and it's crazy that information will be at the first of the special time meeting and you guys will say oh we're not spending that or we might do that before it gets you know i just personally as a board member if i see this numbers going over way over crazy numbers i'm going to make that be careful money it doesn't make sense y'all well i'm only one guy **Speaker 17:** if you don't vote the renovation money then you're handcuffing the voters to have to pass that mark because now we own the building you're right and we can't do anything with it yep you're **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** right so then we might as well sell the building if they don't want to renovate it why do we have **Speaker 17:** a building that's well i'm wondering no but you're right these are going to be harder to pass at the special meetings with people thinking ahead we may end with a building that we can't **Speaker 57:** renovate we can't spend we can't we can't afford to renovate yeah or contrarily when march vote **Speaker 1:** comes they vote not the town votes not to invest more money into building that's what i'm saying **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** but that being said if you know if we think it's feasible we have to put it up for sale or a waste of time and money it's great so i i agree i mean i think i don't see why we won't put the hundred thousand it doesn't doesn't say borrow it says not going to see that you know i mean it's not like we're going to spend it if we don't need to but just have that money just in case like you said we might have to you know winterize it or put over the you know put some windows in or cover the heat you know we could lower that down to 50 000 just to get **Speaker 17:** us to march i looked at it again as optics i i think people are going to feel like they're going handcuffed i do i agree with you yeah yeah geez we bought a building but we didn't that's a good point now we're going to have to pay more money to renovate do you want to do you think that it's **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** well not to exceed this not to exceed i mean i don't really care if it's a hundred thousand or fifty dollars to me i think the board is fiscally responsible enough not to spend money we don't need it of course you know so i i don't think that the number the hundred thousand is scary at all but we're not going to go asking the bank for it until we know what we need you know once we get that inspection and know it we can say okay you know we might look and say like bill said we can wait until after the first year to release a new budget **Speaker 29:** do other things and we're open to any donations from everybody but it might cost us **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** you know throughout the you know heat and everything i mean i would assume that our highway guy would plow it but that's some of the expense out you know same thing with mowing it's the same guy that was here maybe we can get a better deal **Speaker 24:** than him i think he knows that he does all right so you can get a good deal on cheap time what's **Speaker 17:** that and get you a good deal on cheap i think that's a lot i think that's a great idea i thought **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** you were putting them over there i thought you were putting them over there not voluntarily **Speaker 17:** my daughter's been asking to and i kept saying it yeah it's not as a property yeah yeah **Speaker 58:** yeah you might have it down you might have it in now oh that's her business **Speaker 1:** carolyn i'm just um interested in the info how the information gets out to the population before november 25th because you know people this is a great meeting and we're we're hashing out all the issues i don't see a lot of people showing up at select board meetings the wonder of a document could be put together once you have a rough out of the numbers and kurt is um got all these grants it's worth mentioning that the bcrc has you know has a lot of money we voted on the town i mean just educating people to the fact that in fact there could be money to help renovate this building i mean i think that we could we could **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** you know do a mail or if we want but i also think we could just put it on you know we could also put **Speaker 32:** it on the website well you know it's it's funny because a lot of people say geez without the **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** website i wouldn't know what's going on and see the minutes and all that so i don't know i think **Speaker 26:** it's important enough that you do a multi-pronged shirt and um you do a mailer where do people **Speaker 10:** do our due diligence and still have everyone to show up yeah everybody can come to the meeting **Speaker 1:** no but right now you think that it's worth it document that sort of spells out what we've talked about here and the fact that there might **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** be help you know what you said too is you know people don't go to a slug war meeting so there's probably about 500 more people tonight than there usually is right so it must be an important issue right because people don't go to meetings until it's an important issue right so if this is that important we're going to have other meetings how many people are watching those meetings too judd how many people are **Speaker 17:** watching well they come by the way something goes on but it's usually about 35 to 40. sorry 55 to 40. 35 to 40. okay i would tell you if the agendas were more detailed i think you'd have **Speaker 2:** better time lori had a comment they they have to send notice to the voters either by publication or a mailing to registered voters so if they put together a mailing with a letter that had all this information in it they would be able to send it to the voters and the voters would receive it **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** before that november 20th meeting and the mail is in pretty good shape we did discuss that at one of the select board meetings that 10 days before the town meeting it has to go out with a warning in the warrant article there and put some information in it's going to cost **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** there's this much this much this much there is definitely multiple um like paul said there's multiple communication systems out there uh you know everybody laughs but facebook hits a lot of hits on those those uh sites that are up and people probably spread the word it's a lot better than it was 10 years ago 10 years ago you know we've posted out here to go on so yeah it's a lot better news the website's helping yes it has i think if you use every avenue you got yep and again i would like to see and cj i also agree with you on that the agenda it shouldn't just say roads if there's something going on with the roads we should put it in a detail that says we're talking about lincoln road project or we're talking and sometimes we you know we are a little vague on the agendas um sometimes we don't know what's going to happen until we get here **Speaker 17:** many times but there are a lot of times where i read the minutes and i said oh i would have liked **Speaker 24:** to have gone to that yeah yeah so you know maybe we can especially with this issue you know put **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** this on if a matter of fact i would like to have it on every agenda until the town meeting have it on that there will be a discussion even if there's no news even if it's just an update right so an update of the of the purchase of the bill yeah we don't have the report yet so yeah it'll be on every agenda now so if people want to come and at least just hear it or send your representative you know if marta wants to come and she's got 12 friends that she can call and say hey this is what they told us you know so you know not everybody would have to go that way but i think that should be on **Speaker 35:** that's it so you back no we didn't do four yet i would like to do the hundred thousand i would like **Speaker 34:** to stop because i have any discussion you know not to exceed a hundred thousand for a five-year period i think it's clear that if i you're going to expect that yep yep so i'll take all that out **Speaker 59:** and i'd like to make a motion to that all in favor yes all right so you're not going to say if articles two is very fast right a hundred thousand i think you could you could say yeah **Speaker 34:** because if you don't pass it we don't know we don't have the finances we'll get to the **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** the finance department to and change that word **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** okay um laurie if you would take this up and we can sign it um any other business before the **Speaker 8:** select board before we i'd love to talk about the signing um wait a minute laurie's got something do **Speaker 2:** you have um the inspection agreement that i just want you to look over i have to just approve it online but i want you to be okay okay great job look at all the lords a bit i mean it's all mumbo jumbo see you folks **Speaker 4:** so are you guys done you're just gonna sign what you talked about **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** to do **Speaker 1:** yeah **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i'm gonna bring it personally up to your house and you guys have i think i'm drinking of course Okay, here we go. You're going to keep recording until the very end. That's a surprise. **Speaker 22:** I'm afraid you're surprised. Thank you. Thank you. **Speaker 22:** Thank you. **Speaker 60:** Are you a playwright? No. The trip fee is $95. No. That's the most sought-after job in any nonprofit. Anywhere. I mean, there's a lot of money out there for a lot of different things. Yeah. How much more? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Can you hold this till after so we can review this? **Speaker 8:** We just want to do this inspection part of it now. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The client in Norway Hill. Carolyn, you can have a seat here, but we're just reading. Yeah, we're not over. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're just doing this. **Speaker 29:** We're making sure. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The client in Norway Hill. I'm going to leave it there. Have a seat. The client has been informed of other inspections we offer that are not included with the standard home inspection specified in Vermont standard. It's for home inspection. Oh, and then they give us a website that's three sentences long. By initialing bill, you're agreeing to the above inspection fees and waiving any additional services. Yes. Oh, my gosh. Scope of the inspection, the client authorizes Norway Hill Home to perform standard home inspection in accordance with the state standard of practice following the address. By providing a standard home inspection, Norway Hill Home Inspection. The inspection is intended to provide the client with the evaluation of the general conditions of the dwelling. The inspection is a visual inspection of the building, including its components and apparent overall condition on the date of inspection only. The inspection is limited to readily accessible areas of the building and improvements. Data collected from the report as a result of the inspection is not intended to make any representation regarding latent or concealed defects that may be present. No warranty. Your guarantee is intended, expressed, or implied on any system, equipment, or component. Limits of the inspection. **Speaker 10:** Are you reading all this? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, no. **Speaker 10:** We had this. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So you're not doing, what's that? **Speaker 29:** This was emailed to us. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh, it was? Yeah. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We had this emailed to us. The prices and everything. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** The whole thing here? Because we're not doing, we're not doing the radon and all that. **Speaker 3:** Water, the well testing, we're not doing that. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Mold testing, we're not doing that. **Speaker 61:** We don't need to do that. **Speaker 62:** We're going to renovate that. No, you paid the million dollars. You're getting the Title V. Yeah. You're not testing any lead pipes, right? That's a special order. Mold, you're not doing mold testing. That's only if it says in parentheses in the order. Yes, I missed this one. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Covering, yeah, there's a cell there. Now. Here's the other thing. We're going to get the inspection report. Kurt's going to look into grants. I'm going to ask Lori if she could call VLCT and see how much it would cost to insure that building. Lori? Yeah. You can call VLCT and ask them how much it would cost to insure the building. We'll need that. Do. **Speaker 30:** Could you get the oil cost for last winter? **Speaker 63:** Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes. That we can get. Yep. Because it would probably be just the. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, because when do you ever shut down? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Last October, I believe. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It was last October or was it in the spring? No, it was October. October? Yeah. Okay, so I'll try to get. Two years old? It would be a generous gift I can have to see if I can get the. I think it's actually more. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** If you can get this year, I can get the year before. Okay, yeah. Because I think we were in business then. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay, yeah, that's probably the best one. Yeah, okay. Where we were actually functioning. Yeah. So we're going to have to get the electric. Turn it up and down. Electric was warm too. Yeah, but it's been down to nothing. Just enough sort of pipes all. Electricity would be much. You can get the mowing because that's the same. **Speaker 30:** Yep. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Electric would be this. I mean electric. That's minor. That would be about the same. 60, 70 bucks a year. Yeah. Nobody's out of their right. So we need to hire someone. The lights are shut off. You turn them on. **Speaker 30:** Yeah. The lights are across. It's not just. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's not just. **Speaker 30:** Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's not just. It's not just. It's not just. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's not just. It's not just. Yeah. Yeah. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So we need to hire someone or talk to someone because they said the realtor said we could get anybody to come in to give us a price on how much to upgrade the electric, if it needs upgrading. Sure. So do we know anybody we want to use for carpentry, electric? Well I did mention Mike Senkel because he's in town. **Speaker 54:** I think he would be good. **Speaker 34:** And I don't know if he can do electrical or not. He can. **Speaker 64:** one or two of the guys live here in town i don't know if they do this kind of stuff **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** they've been good with us yeah i mean the way i look at it is if you can get one guy and move all that would be awesome you don't have to get up i'm just getting ahead do you uh **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** do you want to anybody want to call uh seneca and ask him if he can do these three things yeah so what three things carpentry electric plumbing **Speaker 2:** so mike said i'm gonna call the carpentry and electric and my new **Speaker 64:** clothes **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** can jim williams do plumbing and water he does **Speaker 44:** he doesn't do water i think he says yeah yeah yeah yeah for me **Speaker 10:** yep okay i know that **Speaker 64:** though i know that does not do sewers right mike wall would have his license by spring to burger lab to do something septics okay who's that mike up on my road yeah oh i know **Speaker 2:** i've been in contact with him for our neighbor okay so thanks depending on the inspection right **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** or you want to just wait i think we should wait we don't have it yeah we gotta wait until you get the inspection i mean i don't see that not passing the manager i think that'll pass i mean that's there's nothing not letting it grow how much use did we get well and i don't see it nothing because of that scene the last time i was pumped and i give you my computer and you know even if we can turn this into a scent of salmon trying to be used like people think that would be like a house i don't think it was ever a residency a lot less **Speaker 25:** than the average house you know that's where you're being media telling me how the first years **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** yeah i don't think it was ever pumped oh **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** maybe not how much no i wasn't involved in bosco i don't i don't know yeah i mean i i know some of the financing but i wasn't involved in any of the everyday stuff **Speaker 2:** so if they say they'll do it we're just getting yes as i know is we're not setting up times or are **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** we setting up time i think we should well i i don't think we should do times um necessarily for the sewer **Speaker 2:** but maybe uh no but like the carpentry electric plumbing water heating i mean i don't know how **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** the carpenter's gonna give you any numbers because what are we doing what are we doing **Speaker 25:** yeah we don't know i don't think we have to worry about that we need electrical plumbing heating flux **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** on it could have caught you know it's gonna take a week to do that okay with water **Speaker 62:** if we generate if we estimate say thirty thousand for each that gives us ten thousand for under a hundred thousand dollar apartment yeah yeah so thirty thousand for electric thirty thousand yes really and then we might ask for something seriously **Speaker 65:** we're gonna be able to steal or something from i was gonna say just downstairs **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** that downstairs put the upstairs on a separate uh box and meter not a meter but a page one page **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** yeah right we could generate money afterwards with the center you know if we have if it becomes a **Speaker 66:** center that's multiple uses you can do a fundraising sure there's a lot of options is it a potential **Speaker 67:** at some point maybe there could be a solar field in there well someone talked to me about that and **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** they said if you put a solar field in it will literally pay for your electricity arrested yeah so kind of electricity there would be really cheap right oh yeah **Speaker 10:** the roof's gotta solve the roof yeah we could look at that that's all stuff we've been looking at that's all the bungle hall used to have bathrooms in it too where's that that's something **Speaker 30:** together how would you find something like that really like sonar **Speaker 68:** the fact that there's probably a steel tank that was probably not everywhere **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** but i would like to make a motion that we um signed the uh inspection second well i thought we had a free week tonight too but i guess not you would have had a nice three weeks **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** okay we get paid for this meeting yes we're really all right oh the other two meetings **Speaker 29:** i put your name your initials down oh okay not that i care i'm just wondering if we have their **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** vote yeah i wasn't quite sure article four shall the town of stamford boris some not to exceed a hundred thousand if article two and three are passed period said some to be repaid over a five-year period yeah are we going to say a hundred thousand dollars toward renovation why are we borrowing **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** probably yeah you gotta have to put that towards renovation yep yeah you do have to say renovation **Speaker 2:** and we do we just say we keep in if article two and three are passed or at that point it's irrelevant if we've made it to article four correct yeah right so we'll take that out too **Speaker 62:** yeah yeah is there a kitchen in here or something i was thinking maybe you could do like something **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** i don't know **Speaker 63:** as long as it's good okay **Speaker 30:** no **Speaker 64:** yeah **Speaker 10:** none of that yeah craziness with the coffee **Speaker 30:** cool we'll see what happens **Speaker 63:** oh so i'm called **Speaker 30:** It was a good meeting, and we got some good input, I thought. Can I go? **Speaker 64:** I think you've calmed down a few people. **Speaker 10:** What we're going to do with it? **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What we're going to do with it is a message. From the people that were here, they will spread it to, and maybe that will calm down a lot of people that weren't here tonight. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Because I heard a lot of people. You know what I like? Some of the, like, I know we're still taping and stuff, but some of the people that had questions, they were answered, and they were really, like, you could see that breathing up. I think it was a good thing. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, we did not buy it, period. All the information's out there. It's locked here. **Speaker 2:** We might want to make a motion to accept it before we revise it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So if you want to read that. Okay. Read it out. Shall the town of Stamford, Boris, not exceed $100,000. Toward renovation, at a rate to be determined, set some to be repaired over, to be repaid over a five-year period. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So this is an amended Article 4. I'd like to make a motion. **Speaker 29:** Yeah, because we already. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Can we pass this and move up the other motion? That's whatever I need to do. **Speaker 10:** Yep. Clean it up. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It says towards renovation. You know, we know what we want. We know what we want to do, but we don't always say the correct terminology. Like, Kurt was saying. **Speaker 10:** That's why I said I got a C- in both. Right. I'm not a professional on it. We don't have to nitpick everything. **Speaker 2:** We're not trying to put anything in there or say anything. **Speaker 69:** We're not professionals. **Speaker 62:** Politicians, bottom line, isn't it? Even professionals can talk, right? You see someone at the town meeting, it's just like, no. We're just trying to make sure. **Speaker 10:** I think if this passes, if it passes, the most contentious thing is probably going to be what we're going to do. Yeah. Or we should have a sign. **Speaker 62:** The big thing as far as this is a senior center. You put it on the list, and then it's on this person's list. Yeah, yeah. You can hang it on the building, right? Or you guys want to use the floor. You can hang it on the wall. Yep. That's definitely a good idea. **Speaker 25:** My number one choice, too, is a 40-year-old. Yep. I don't know why you're talking about it. There's a million things you can do. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. And down the back, you know, you want to pay for a painting. Down the back, there's a beautiful. It's a beautiful area to walk in, and it's very, very pretty. I'm sure you can build that into a fairground. **Speaker 25:** If you put picnic tables out there, people could come. Yep. They can walk in. They can go stop after lunch. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, like Mike said, they could walk their dog there. Yeah. And not on the schoolyard. **Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You just got to be thick and be inventive. That's Clark's. Clark's got horseshoe pads, and they got . Oh, yeah. We get fence. And townspeople can use it. We can have a play area if you want to have a party here. We can have a party. We can have some fun. We can have a party. Yeah. And if you go down there and play horseshoes, you won't want them. You could go to a play area. **Speaker 27:** Yeah. **Speaker 28:** You could make a donation to walk your dog out. Yeah. **Speaker 70:** We could do a lot. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** To what? Yeah. To what? **Speaker 64:** Play area for kids and stuff. I don't know what's out here. Uh-huh. **Speaker 25:** I don't know. Kids play at the . **Speaker 64:** Kids go on their cell phone. Yeah. **Speaker 30:** I think the board would be willing to hear whatever somebody had for an idea for it. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think we're good. **Speaker 30:** No, I'm not rushing you. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You're hungry. Or else you've got to go eat. **Speaker 30:** I've got a date waiting on you. Oh. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh. Mm-hmm. **Speaker 30:** I'm pretty good enough. Yeah. She's waiting, too. She's gone. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Do we want to make a motion to adjourn the meeting until next week? Yeah. **Speaker 30:** We'll adjourn. Until next week. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. **Speaker 62:** Aye. **Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you. **Speaker 71:** No, we don't do the next week meeting.