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title: "Stamford Select Board — July 18, 2024"
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# Stamford Select Board — July 18, 2024

**Session:** Regular · **Duration:** 102 min · [Audio](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Selectboard%20meeting%202024-7-18.MP3) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%207-18-2024.pdf)

**Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, Kurt Gamari, Douglas Wright, John Dunn

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**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** by addressing the chairperson and stating your name and address you will notice that all our meetings are recorded and this is to aid with the summarization of the minutes visitors are welcome and we allow five minutes of comments per visitor and 15 minutes per topic discussions will be held in a calm and civilized manner and respectful of others select board members present are mike them all that's right oh Nancy Bushika john dunn will there be any adding of items that can't wait

**Speaker 1:** until next meeting or removing items from tonight's agenda uh yeah i came from the media to

**Speaker 2:** ask a question to select board and i was told this is the appropriate time to address you guys is

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** that is that true yes but i'll do it under hearing of visitors oh sure will there be any adjustments

**Speaker 3:** to the agenda such as changing the order of items no i just have some additional correspondence

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** okay and just to remind everyone that uh jeb is recording the meeting and it'll be on his youtube site oh yeah youtube site all right with your hammer oh okay uh hearing of visitors

**Speaker 2:** yes sir hi i'm a visitor my name is josh landis i'm from wmc news josh landis l-a-n-d-e-s here's a card for you and i'm making a recording as well just so that you guys know um i'm here

**Speaker 4:** because i'm sorry w-a-m-c news for where from uh i'm based out of pittsfield massachusetts okay

**Speaker 2:** yeah so i was trying to contact under the select board to ask about the resignation of your school principal you sent out a message to the community that was very explicit about his experience in stamford and i was interested to hear if the select board has a response to that

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** not this is not anything to do with select board the school and the select board town are separate so you would have to ask the select board we

**Speaker 4:** or school board oh yes school board let me ask you just in the capacity of like you know you

**Speaker 2:** guys are leaders in your community and represented to some degree of stamford uh in this message um randy uh the camera was last thing i believe but he talked about the feeling of being experience experiencing prejudice or homophobia in stamford and i was interested in your thoughts on that as people who represent the community not as far as i know okay so direct your question to mr dunall i was going through your social media today and your attitudes about the state of the world and the status of the state in the world has really been incredibly discredited i suppose you can see a lot of the issues that you're seeing in the schools are well expressed in that format i was interested with that in mind given that you seem to be

**Speaker 5:** comfort comfortable talking about that publicly in your personal life as interested in your real

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** capacity as a stamford leader does that represent the community's feelings about that community

**Speaker 2:** i follow the state laws in the constitution of the united states as a select board member okay well essentially because you posted about your concerns about the gay agenda and in schools on given that the school's principal left the community citing that concern, and that's something you've put your name to in public. I mean, should it be, if you can speak to that.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** No, I have no comment about that at all. I've met with the principal many times, been at meetings many times, and have not seen any problems at all with myself or him. Okay. We've actually interacted very well.

**Speaker 2:** Gotcha, like I just just broadly, like it's a large statement to make about the community, and I just wanted to give the opportunity to the leaders of the community to respond to that. Are you saying essentially you don't have much of a comment on that accusation, or?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No, because this doesn't involve the town and what we're here for. We're here for the town and select board members.

**Speaker 2:** Right, and I guess I'm arguing as someone who covers dozens and dozens of communities, you guys are the leaders of the town, so I suppose yes, bureaucratically there's a distinction, but as its representative, you feel like it's a school department issue?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes, yes. Yeah? Okay.

**Speaker 2:** Gotcha, okay, thank you guys very much. I really appreciate it.

**Speaker 4:** Okay.

**Speaker 2:** Bye. Thank you.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Any other visitors, comments? Okay. Reading and approval of records. Bill, bill.

**Speaker 6:** Oh.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I'm looking over there.

**Speaker 7:** I wanted to add financing of the new fire engine to the agenda.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes, Laurie gave me the bills.

**Speaker 7:** Okay. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Reading and approval of records and orders from last meeting. Yes, I do.

Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Can I have a motion to accept the minutes as approved?

**Speaker 8:** I made the motion that we approve the meeting minutes from June 20th.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Can I have a second?

**Speaker 9:** I'll second.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** All in favor? Aye. Okay, thank you. Road conditions, where would you like to start, Dave? Do you want to go with the FEMA, the Class 2?

**Speaker 10:** Yeah, I'll always start with what's on the agenda and go from there.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. FEMA subgrant agreement for Klondike Road damages.

**Speaker 11:** So that, I just wanted to let you know, has made it through every FEMA hurdle that they can throw at us, and it was time to actually sign the grant agreement. This is only for the Klondike culvert mitigation piece, which is only one road out of all the ones that were damaged. The total loss for this one road was $11,602. So because we don't have our hazard mitigation plan finalized, they're only going to pay 75% of that, which is $8,701. And our portion would be $2,900 and some change. The other two projects, Charlie and I, we're going to have to go through them. So we're going to have to go through them. So we're going to have to go through them. So we're going to have to go through them. Ross called me again today. I came in and had to call him back. They want more GPS coordinates. We gave them just one coordinate. Here's the damage. But the way he worked out the math of the dimensions, it's long enough that now he wants a beginning coordinate and an end coordinate. And I don't know, when you look at Google Maps, if I can get that specific when you're looking at, like, 300 feet.

**Speaker 12:** You can't just go by the length.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Where is Charles anyway?

**Speaker 11:** He's from down south, but they fly him up to work on FEMA projects in Vermont. So they're putting him up in a hotel and he's just got . . .

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** He should stop here and look and go around and that would be a whole lot easier.

**Speaker 13:** He did it himself.

**Speaker 14:** The GPS coordinates are going to be more accurate than a tape measure? No.

**Speaker 11:** Well, that's the hard part. And, you know, he estimated a certain width and length and depth, so . . . So, you know, all we can do is now try and accommodate the numbers and . . . I don't . . .

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Go with his numbers.

**Speaker 9:** They want us to hire, like, an engineer and . . . Oh, Lord. He's just standing there with your phone and . . . For a small town . . . Right. Hire an engineer for 20,000 . . . Yeah, we're, like, crazy. Like, just . . .

**Speaker 11:** They have informally asked for the information and if we can get it to them in the next couple of days and it works, it'll be good. If not, it becomes a formal request and it may involve another . . . Site visit team and an inspection team to determine all of this and . . . I'd rather not go through all that, but . . .

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Do the best you can with them and send it and . . .

**Speaker 7:** Does anybody have a handheld GPS? Or off of their phone? Just . . .

**Speaker 9:** Yeah, I'm not too familiar, but I'm sure you can use your phone. Download . . . You can download . . . Pick the number, double it, and let them argue.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, like . . .

**Speaker 15:** Do a quick . . .

**Speaker 14:** . . .

**Speaker 15:** Guaranteed, if it's too much, they'll come back to you.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, that's . . . Yeah, that's what I figured. Right. Well, that's what I'm worried about.

**Speaker 11:** If it doesn't make the right yardage, we're going to be in trouble. Well, we know how much yardage went into it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Did you go backwards? That's right. That's what we read. I got guys who can't read a tape measure, so, I mean, that's just the way it is.

**Speaker 16:** Have they sent you a number? Have they sent you a parameter that they're like, we think it's this, but do you think it's something different? Because otherwise, just go with theirs.

**Speaker 10:** Yeah, they're really just trying to set us up to fail. Oh, wow. They're trying to get . . . From what I can tell, they've come at us, I don't know how many times, with the same questions, and then they want us to measure holes that don't exist anymore. And they weren't even, you know, we're talking about where the water was down the road and zigzagged and was deeper in one spot. They wanted to come up with a volume for a hole that doesn't exist. I can't go measure it anymore, which they've argued, and they seem to agree. Because what they wanted to do was audit us on our information. And I can't give them an accurate number at this point.

**Speaker 11:** So he created his own numbers of, well, it took, you know, four loads of gravel and this and that, so that must fill a hole this long by this wide and this deep. And then anything over 200 feet long, you can't just give one GPS coordinate for the sensor. Now you've got to actually give the beginning and the end, which . . . How did you know?

**Speaker 10:** I can tell them. It's just . . . It's not just the top of the gravel, it's what went in the hole. There's your number.

**Speaker 17:** That's right. That's right.

**Speaker 10:** Oh, right. And work it back for them. You just can't get more accurate than that. It's a trust issue, I guess. Work it back. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So do the best you can, Lori and Dave. And . . .

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Our plan, didn't we finalize that, has . . .

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** No, she's coming next select board meeting to go over the plan and . . .

**Speaker 10:** We've done our part.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes.

**Speaker 11:** Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And it's been approved by the state. It's been approved by the state, so we have to adopt it. Yeah. Okay. Is that the step, Lori? That's what . . .

**Speaker 11:** So that's it for the FEMA. We will submit as much as we can. The other one, we were approved for the class two structures and roadway grant that Dave and I submitted last, maybe, fall, a $200,000 project. So they will pay $160,000. We'll have to pay the other, like, 40-ish. And then we'll have to pay the other $100,000. So we'll have to pay the other $100,000. So we'll have to pay the other $100,000. And then we'll have to pay the other $100,000. And then we'll have to pay the other $100,000. And then we'll have to pay the other $100,000. And then we'll have to pay the other $100,000. So we'll have to pay the other $100,000. And then we we'll have to pay the other $100,000. That's the agreement. Um, that's the agreement.

**Speaker 9:** This grant agreement will have to be signed. And where is that? In the opinion. We have one of these things. This is . . .

**Speaker 18:** It's for a KNR and ChIP deal for East Road.

**Speaker 11:** East Road. It's the class two, so it kind of has to be . . . East Road.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, yeah. Are these matches, can we use, uh, labor hours, also? We could, but in this particular project, we're really not going to have any labor hours. Oh, good.

**Speaker 10:** Okay. Can I make a motion to accept it? Okay. can i make a motion to accept it okay i'll second favor uh we'll have to run before after next

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** okay um dave this is kind of oh this is old business from last meeting uh we talked about the trees at the top of the lane in east road they did not get blown down in this storm but um i guess i was a little confused on the letter of what we were writing to the people so i just wanted to see what the board what we decided i thought the board was going to send a letter to the owners saying it's a liability for these trees you should have them removed you should have them removed is that so we didn't send the letter yet no because dave had another impression that

**Speaker 19:** and i thought oh i don't think so we're improving they're not dead trees right they are the land

**Speaker 10:** owner's property but they're not dead and we're really trying to improve the road when i go out to improve a road and try to widen the section of road we cut the trees we don't ask them to cut the trees i think in this case they're healthy old maple trees where we want to

**Speaker 19:** cut them down and improve the road for safety reasons well is that the dead one that's on top

**Speaker 10:** of the lane there on the right well there's a stump but we're not we didn't add that we i'm that's going anyway oh okay these are the other two on heading north okay so i don't i think if we ask somebody else to pay to take down the trees that are perfectly fine we're trying to want to do it we may get some resistance on us even doing it after i mean they may have some bite i mean they're public shade trees in a way i mean they're old they're landmarks i would

**Speaker 9:** say almost i've seen the trees they're not going to be like anything that's going to be cheap to no take down no so with a mirror with a mirror in place on in a certain area coming up on from

**Speaker 20:** the lane over here would that help yeah because that'll be a lot cheaper i'm here i'm here you

**Speaker 9:** know some places when there's a blind spot they put a mirror in place so you know that might be a cheaper alternative than removing those big maple trees with the permission

**Speaker 21:** of whoever owns the tree to put the mirror on so how do you want to proceed then i i well

**Speaker 9:** the stump is the biggest problem when i went up there i know you've got to get by the stump left

**Speaker 10:** it was bad i would say once this dump's gone you're going to try to look left and go i can't see it i mean i think it's just a lot of times when you're pulling out of there i've had it with my plow truck especially and i'm already in the intersection i'd really like to see him go i'd like to just see write a letter and say we're taking them down okay i haven't taken down i just

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i think so don't ask us just say we will be doing this see if there's any resistance and then i would

**Speaker 10:** say we're going to be taking these trees down and it's within our right yeah it's within the right away we wanted you to be aware of it in case you have any objections or you want the board or something along those lines okay i mean we're perfectly legal to do it but we you kind of have

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** to fight it to be honest with you if the town came and asked me if i wanted to cut them down and pay for i'd say no right yeah you want to cut you might not get as much resistance

**Speaker 10:** we're it's going to be a back and forth thing if we ask this person pay and i don't speak for it but i'm guessing he's going to tell us no why wouldn't they they're not dead they don't see

**Speaker 17:** how they're a liability to her really i mean i was just treating it like i assumed it was like

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** the chicken incident you know the chickens are going to cause an accident and uh this would

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** sure they would come back to you that didn't go well either create a song and dance

**Speaker 10:** under and any of us have been around some of those oh there's a lot of i mean we really we really need a good tree policy you know i said last week but we're you know especially in the situations we're in now i mean there's no no old ordinance buried deep in the archives lori did

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** reach out to other towns and one i guess she got one back and it's like the trees in the park and it was nothing to do with us it's kind of more like a big city yeah so uh i guess if you can revise the letter i can well maybe it's yeah to say we will take it down when we can okay what

**Speaker 10:** else dave so i think everybody's aware of the storm we had and uh some of the damage that we suffered as far as trees there's a lot of memories there's a lot of trees that are hung up you're gonna require more equipment than what i had i would say a bucket truck um last summer eight weeks we spent repairing flood work i mean i don't know how much this summer i gotta get caught up on i've got culverts and ditching and to stop and try to clean up all this mess at this point it's just we're gonna end up spending money repairing roads because i didn't get to the road i didn't get to the road i didn't get to the road i didn't know the work i needed to do so i'm suggesting that we hire somebody to clean some of this stuff

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** up how far off the road do you have to clear this debris i mean you don't have to if this well

**Speaker 10:** the garage i mean you could leave it if you guys want to leave it it's out of the

**Speaker 17:** travel part of the road oh yeah you're going to hit it with a plow some of them some of it

**Speaker 10:** is hanging up it's dangerous you know right some people come and start cutting it and they get hurt

**Speaker 22:** Well, I would say if it's a company, I mean, just high-end people, if we've got a bunch of wood on the side of the road, are going to eventually come out and cut it for firewood.

**Speaker 10:** I mean, technically, it's the landowners.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right, and there are people already doing that. Yeah.

**Speaker 10:** So, you know, somebody just starts going and cutting wood on the side of the road, and they're kind of stealing in a way. I mean, where, if I'm going to take the wood, I'm supposed to ask the property owner.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** But, Dave, what I wonder, now, say the stump is 30 feet off the road, you wouldn't go all the way back there. You would just cut that for our safe passage.

**Speaker 19:** I want to get back over mowing, more or less.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah.

**Speaker 10:** You know, so we can continue mowing and pushing snow.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right.

**Speaker 10:** You know, it's probably not going to be cleared all the way, you know, to the full extent of the right way, but the usable part of the right way, anyway. But what I'm concerned about is there's a lot of these trees that are very hazardous trees that we don't have the equipment. We don't have the firewood. We don't have the truck. No. We don't have to try to hook to some of these and pull them down. And, you know, it's just, some of them are broke. I mean, they're broke off and bent over at 20 feet. I mean, there's no, you know, it's not just trees.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Do you, have you got any estimates under how many trees?

**Speaker 10:** No. I mean, I wanted to get your thoughts and get some direction for you before I wasted my time. Because if you, because I can tell you right now that. Between mud season and a little bit of gravel we put down, I have no money left for summer maintenance. So. A lot of trees. It's a lot. It's a big mess. It's going to take. Yeah, it's a mess. I mean, for Michael and I to have to take it on, it's going to take us a while. We don't have any kind of chipper that's, you know, maybe we've got a small one that was on the back of a cove and that really doesn't hardly work. It'll take the rest of the summer with that.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Would, I know Dave said he doesn't have money. We don't have a lot. We don't have a lot in our budget, but would it be worth using some of the ARPA money from?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** How much ARPA money do we have left?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I mean, it seems like a year to have a lot. 113.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But did we?

**Speaker 15:** Would it be overly optimistic to have some kind of money in the store?

**Speaker 10:** Well, we. We haven't. We did reach out to Patrick Wilson from AOT. Don't quote me on this, but it's usually, I think, you have to go over 20% of what we consider our summer budget. And it used to be a 60%. 40 split, 60 summer. It was 61 or 40 summer. So it makes us easier to qualify for it. But I don't know if Lori's heard back from him. And I don't know if it will exceed that threshold.

**Speaker 11:** He did write us back and say this seems to be an isolated incident. Most of Bennington County was not hit hard for the values to reach probably what it needs to for Bennington County. We could. We could get in touch with FEMA and see if we qualify through FEMA. But he did say keep track of everything and that he would forward numbers to the Vermont Emergency Management Bureau. And if other people are sending in numbers that it could potentially grow.

**Speaker 10:** And when I remember the point of the Vermont emergency aid is for isolated incidences, because that's when it's not. That's when you go to FEMA.

**Speaker 19:** So we've used it before.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Can we take a lot of pictures and I think we've got to we can't wait for them.

**Speaker 10:** Yeah, no, we have to do it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, take a lot of pictures. Keep track of your time equipment like we do when we have to submit to FEMA.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Do you have companies in mind that you can call? I don't know. With that equipment. I mean, there's a lot of guys.

**Speaker 10:** I've seen one company in town. I never dealt with them. What's that? The Alpha Harbor guy across from Nancy. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Black Diamond was here.

**Speaker 10:** Yeah, I saw them. They're out of one. I've used Greater Heights before.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Greater Heights came down?

**Speaker 10:** I've used Greater Heights before. They were pretty reasonable. I think they're the ones that took down the ones in the school here. They were pretty reasonable.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay.

**Speaker 10:** Like it's a stretch kind of thing.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We'll be meeting in two weeks. This is one storm.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We have another couple months of this. Another couple months of summer. And then you've got volume. Right. That's why I really feel the need to get on some of my normal ditching culverts. I mean, at risk or answer, I've had the culverts for five years.

**Speaker 23:** And I haven't had a chance to get there yet.

**Speaker 10:** And you can drive up there. You're driving over the culvert. They're out of the ground. Oh, I know. When you're running like the bare minimum, you can't have anything go wrong. Yeah. From a scheduling standpoint. Yeah. And that's what we've been wanting for 10 years at least. Oh, I know. When you're running like the bare minimum, you can't have anything go wrong. Yeah. From a scheduling standpoint. Yeah. And that's what we've been wanting for 10 years at least.

**Speaker 24:** Dave, so you would go around with whatever company you call, mark the trees, because

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** we don't want them taking ... Yeah.

**Speaker 10:** Yeah.

**Speaker 25:** Yeah, yeah.

**Speaker 10:** Yeah. No, I understand that. I would say have them check the brush and the stuff that's in the right-of-way. I mean, we're not going on people's yards. Right. Right. Right. But the stuff that's in the right-of-way. And it's pretty obvious. You go click lane. Yeah. Click lane on both sides. Yes.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's not good.

**Speaker 10:** I've just pushed to make it convenient to get the road open.

**Speaker 25:** Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** If this company that you do hire, if one of the homeowners says, hey, can you do mine? Get ours done first. And then they can go back. Yeah.

**Speaker 25:** Yeah.

**Speaker 10:** Don't be ... That stuff happens over paving too. Yeah. People want their driveway paved. Sure. Typically, the companies won't even entertain it because they don't want to have that problem. Right. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, I don't know how the board feels, but I'd say, let's use the ARCA money, take that, and in the meantime, see if we qualify for this state emergency, they keep working on that, and then we can replace the money. Because I don't know where it's going to come from if we don't.

**Speaker 10:** So do you ... I mean, it's going to delay it some, but do you want me to get different prices from different, or do you guys want to pick somebody that ... I mean, when we did the trees in the parking lot, we just called ...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'd rather give you the permission to go, if you want to get three quotes, I don't think we need to have them come back. You're common sense that you're going to get the right guy. We've got to put a little faith in our workers. Right. Right. Two weeks, we can't wait. So I would say, if you say ... You might not even get anybody, David. Right.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, that's ...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Other people ... The other issue is that I'm sure that anybody that's anybody is going to be tied up. Right. So I'm just saying, if you know somebody that's going to be tied up ... Right. So I'm just saying, if you know somebody that's going to be tied up ...

**Speaker 23:** Right.

**Speaker 10:** So I'm just saying, if you know somebody that's going to be tied up ...

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**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. For crawling ... You talk about what's happening to the那hlelar to get a price forlectric to get a price ... If you give them a call, the guy says, you know, yeah, I'll do it. I think we need to.

**Speaker 10:** I think we need to. I was thinking, the Greater Heights people we've used before, and this Nell Fire guys lives in town, and so ... I don't mind if they don't live in a town, at all.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So I think, get a price for maybe both of them, and so ... Sure. Yup, if you get a ... When it comes ... wants to work with and when they can come and work with your schedule and if for some reason

**Speaker 10:** it seems like this ridiculous number i'm going to hold off and talk to you about it yeah yeah if it's 10 grand then like i don't know i don't know i was going to say that well it's usually 500 a tree i think normally around let's see a lot of these are you know use your common sense

**Speaker 9:** and i'd be interested in taking a ride around with you and yeah giving you an idea of what it

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** might cost okay uh do we want to make a motion to do that and let's go with it i'll make a second

**Speaker 24:** when when are you available all in favor

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** i'm usually pretty close and not too far and if you can keep in touch with what's what's his name um who was the fellow that you talked to patrick wilson what else dave i think that's pretty much it

**Speaker 10:** we're going to start switching over to ditching and doing culverts the mulling was done we went around and did a bunch of regrading and some of the spots that had the wheel sacks the water

**Speaker 26:** and some washboards and did some bunch of chloride yeah so i was on the shirt road the shirt road

**Speaker 9:** looked really nice looked like you might have just chlorinated it maybe within the last couple weeks

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** the other day yeah it looks it looks nice um on roads we got an email from wade mercer from dlct uh he would wants to know how we're proceeding with the suggestions he gave us uh there's a couple of them that are low priority medium priority if we could start picking away if you could start picking away i keep saying we but at least show them that we have good faith and we're

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** trying to do this so the email sounded like he came back but then he said if you already did some of this let me know yeah and i was kind of confused to that where you're saying well here's my suggestions you didn't do any suggestions but if you did do suggestions let me know did he even

**Speaker 25:** come back and he doesn't even know he didn't do it right okay that's what i do i was like this

**Speaker 10:** it didn't sound right yeah he did some suggestions that he had the last time you know some of them weeds um i don't know the last button press talk to the actual person but that that's the point you know you hear me saying that you're a little curly looking my name is jeff you may have heute let's leave ya here on y'all and bones angry myWorld it's gonna happen so that person that passes on the note that peter will give you is the people you've already

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** rescued from the museum they're supposed to pick the past hour but there's two winners you've picked in order of anything that's here we're just talking about not

**Speaker 10:** enough time and now we've got to do this yeah it's it's like the the railing i mean okay, what am I going to do with Graham? What's going to make him happy? You know, I can do it. That's not what I do. So I've already done it before, and he was good with it, and now he's not good with it. Sometimes I feel like it's a waste of time. These are suggestions. There's nothing that's just let out dangerous.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, that's the feeling I got from the email was, he's saying the word suggestion, but then he's saying, and you didn't do it, and it sounds to me like it's not a suggestion. It's a command. I want you to get this done. I'm like, well, that doesn't make sense.

**Speaker 10:** Insurance company wants no risk. And I'm not saying they're not good suggestions, but do I go out and dig the ditch so we don't lose the road and somebody crashes their car, or do I fix the handrail again that they may or may not?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think we just have to show them that we're working on the list.

**Speaker 10:** I mean, some of the things like ordering an eyewash fountain that they can just put two screws in and put on the wall, it's not a big time. That's easy.

**Speaker 9:** What was the deal with the wood stove? It was like a medium risk, so that would probably be something we should probably look at more.

**Speaker 10:** That's been an area that he doesn't like.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Not because of the type of stove. It's just because you're burning wood. You're still building.

**Speaker 10:** The wood stove we have now is actually, you know, EPA. It's got actual numbers and everything. The old one was just a homemade. Right. It really didn't like that.

**Speaker 9:** What was the other one, Nancy, that was a medium risk?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It was the lockout tag out for anybody working there.

**Speaker 17:** Get a lock right out.

**Speaker 10:** Well, he suggested making something that goes on the wall that we, you know, you take the keys out of it and you hang the keys on the wall. Yeah. It's Mike and me working there. I know.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, that's the world we live in. And every other contractor has their own lockout. You're supposed to each have your own lock and your own key. We don't.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's like the GFCI outlets. Yeah, I mean. Change one or, but you can't do it. You have to change them. Yeah, you can't do it.

**Speaker 10:** It's not that I can't do it. It's just, it's like a take your pick thing. There's no sitting around. There's two people and I'm not complaining about it. Some of this stuff is just, you know, there's always all these other extra things. You know, there are these storms. Every time it rains hard, I've got to go, you know, check stuff and make sure there isn't issues for the next time. Because when it rains as hard as it's been, it takes all of the debris and plugs stuff up, whether it be a ditch or a culvert. So, you know, so that's a whole lost day every time it rains hard. You get two days in a row, you go right back around.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** What does he want with heat smoke detectors? Do you have any up there? Maybe grab one somewhere and don't open the wood stove.

**Speaker 19:** Don't open the wood stove.

**Speaker 10:** Where do you put the smoke detector? We've got ceilings that are, you know, how do you get it up there? Yeah. I can't do that. It's sticking on the wall.

**Speaker 27:** It's sticking on the wall.

**Speaker 14:** If you clutter your mind up too much. It's sticking on the wall. Yeah. By the eye wash. When you're smithing in someone like David's and you clutter your mind up too much with little frivolous stuff like this. I know. The burnout rate is way higher. Yeah. You just fry, you fry it.

**Speaker 28:** You're like a punchless guy.

**Speaker 14:** Yes.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you.

**Speaker 14:** Yeah. The third guy.

**Speaker 13:** You'll, you'll fry your mind.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I knew that was coming.

**Speaker 10:** You'll burn out. Yep. It's not, it's beyond that because like the third guy's going to be right around and right with Mike and I. It's not, these things here, if I just stopped and did all these other things, what really mattered would never get done.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, I hear, this is what bothers me is we have an insurance company coming in and saying you have to, these suggestions we have to get. But then when you go and you hire someone, they got to have a liability and they have to have licenses and you know, so now that costs big bucks. If you had a handyman that was running around and said, now if he works for the town, he doesn't necessarily have to have a license and put a railing up. But if you hire someone, you've got to have a contractor with a license. Right. You know, I know guys that put that railing up and they'll, they'll be happy to do it for 20 bucks an hour because they're looking for work, but they don't have a license and you can't hire those guys. Just like we were talking about the lawn mowing. You got to have a guy with liability insurance and all that stuff. You can't hire a guy in town that will be happy to blow up for less money. And it's getting to the point where our hands are tied on every single thing we move. And John just said it, it's the world we live in. It's the insurance companies and the lawyers that are killing us.

**Speaker 9:** The school use when they need to have like smoke alarms and stuff like that for them.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Is it still Pierce? No, McClain? I don't know. It was McClain.

**Speaker 9:** Maybe it would be worth having him put in a bid for it and just having him take care of it, you know. Well, he's just an electrician.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So you got smoke alarms and you got the outlets. But now you got to have your rail lines and your eye wash. You know, I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just saying I feel your pain in business. The insurance companies come in, OSHA comes in, the state comes in, and they all have different ideas. They literally will make you get rid of a coffee pot if it doesn't work.

**Speaker 9:** They're not going to justify their jobs.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Sure. And that's exactly what it is. They're not in there because they care about your safety. They're in there to justify their job. I truly believe that's most of their reason. And I'm not saying don't do it. But I agree with Nancy. We should do, you know, get the eye wash. I have no problem with that. Get it. Do a couple things. What are the emergency lights? They just need batteries, I think he said. Yeah, probably. If you can't get the battery, you can hurry and try to replace the whole thing. It'd be easier. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

**Speaker 10:** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah.

**Speaker 10:** Yeah. Yep. The reality of it is is that I'm going to go to work tomorrow and I'm going to forget about all this stuff because it's like I'm going to get bogged down in the head. I know. I mean, it's so hard to keep things going nowadays. Like, if I break a bowl and it's bigger than, you know.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right.

**Speaker 23:** It's a 3 inch bowl.

**Speaker 10:** Yeah. Or if it's a 3 quarter inch bowl-

**Speaker 23:** You can't get it in the town.

**Speaker 10:** Oh. Like, I waste half a day going to get one bowl to keep something running.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. fastener yeah and they don't have it and then they said well we can get it tomorrow morning if that's the case cover me all these things i'll get it faster going down the road and

**Speaker 10:** our ram just died it seemed like it ran out of fuel so i tow it back to the garage and spent you know a day figuring out what was wrong with that i mean there's all it's just yep i prioritize weekly but daily you know it's all of a sudden something comes up and you just have to get through it you have to have the truck running to do the rest of it

**Speaker 9:** right we understand it yeah it's smoother in your head right and then you try to go do it

**Speaker 29:** and you're going to expect them to throw the wrench that's what keeps me in business is

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** there's no harvest i mean i make parts because they can't buy it oh i i ordered this and it's coming out of china it's going to take six months and it's 400 bucks and i'm like yeah i can make that and it's twelve hundred dollars making because i can't wait you know and that's where we're at right now dude they just closed the hardware store in north end let's close it oh i'm sean

**Speaker 9:** see now you gotta drive a little farther right yeah there's a beach and stand a little light

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** there it's just it's always there's when you pay for a half inch bowl a half inch bowl you're paying seven dollars for a half inch ball i could buy the whole box for that yeah but that's what

**Speaker 10:** they got you for some of the smaller stuff we have an assortment that yeah trying to keep handy down the street

**Speaker 19:** well think about it see which one you can work on and i'll look it over again i thought the eyewash

**Speaker 10:** seemed like we were trying yeah yeah that's something you should have something yeah we do but it's not good enough for what they say i've got two bottles they're mounted on the wall and if you got something in your eye you could wash i mean you have something that's not good enough for your life so it's like everything else it's it's okay but they suggest something better

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** right or get the emergency lights but i think they've got to be hooked up to electricians that'll come up there yeah there's something telling me

**Speaker 10:** he's trying to tell you yeah it comes out it says exit i know where the exit is i know this is how my mind works is that a priority no not at all

**Speaker 9:** a structure up there he's supposed to have the structure he's like the only guy who's going to be carrying me on the structure exactly down the way for someone yeah but he's got a head it's not that

**Speaker 10:** i'm trying to ignore it but i know that i just can't because i'm in the road in the washerway next time i thunderstorm the road in the posture and you're like well how are you working on that light right aren't you the highway the firemen it's just there's no end i mean the roof needs

**Speaker 19:** to be fixed the doors need to be fixed all right did you get a quote on the doors yet he didn't get

**Speaker 30:** okay i'm more concerned though yep use the harper money for the electrical fixes and

**Speaker 31:** stuff like that or no the lights i think we could put that on one big ball of maintenance

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** completely yeah that's what i would do i mean i wouldn't just say it's for this light it's for your maintenance 40 000 for the maintenance

**Speaker 17:** did you get any quotes on the roof or anything on that or no i can i just didn't that's good

**Speaker 10:** we're trying to get some clarification on this grant that we're hopefully going to put in for because we've got the audit so they come through the energy audit and then tell us what their findings are and then we fill out paper which doesn't even exist at this point so we're not

**Speaker 3:** behind we're on the list right so for the inspection i thought once they did the assessment

**Speaker 11:** then we could implement what they said like i thought money followed this but what she said was hoping that there's no money out there yet so this assessment is basically just going to be informational and then maybe next year or the year after you can apply on a competitive level for a

**Speaker 32:** grant that you may or may not get have we have they come down to do the assessment yet well they they're they're scheduling it right right that's the class i remember you saying they're scheduling

**Speaker 10:** it so which we've been going on for how long especially this is the problem i have with everything is you can't get anybody to do their job anymore everything is just like the sweeper this year called the sweeper we signed his contract where is he you're supposed to be here in april may not using him again yep doesn't i mean i think it's we we're going to be fine without doing it but i called them numerous times called the cell phone and they're still in business that time you've done it's because it's snowing yep no way yeah why bother at this point right hard to find a good problem so and who else does it there really isn't we've had both of them and i've had issues with both of them both companies that's why i went to this other one because the other guy didn't ever show up either the town of stamford is not anybody's priority no we're not we don't buy big does the uh pizzi loan tractor have one he can run we may go do something with the loader where we can get it a sweeper a three-throw has one that's on the front of it but it's a it's a day a year i mean it's kind of yeah yeah you know how much do you spend on something like that you usually don't

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** rent something that's different things that have the uh protection yeah you can go in there and

**Speaker 30:** have three years or something okay so we're so we're small if we don't want that's a good

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** suggestion though could you would reasonable would it fit on our tractor or not um i don't know yeah on their loader can we borrow their loader for one day i didn't want to break as well yeah but it might be an idea to hire them out no we don't even borrow it have their man come and do it for us for one day we'll pay them we didn't ask it wouldn't hurt and ask get it for next

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** year because if you said we don't need it this year most of the roads are clean now yeah and

**Speaker 10:** some of that the sweeping was something that i think years ago we used more sand on the blacktop it was really something to be done and now it's kind of a hitting this thing it's nice because it keeps the grass starts to creep out on the blacktop and the sweeper kind of keeps you know the road away and it does pick up some debris but you know you get a thunderstorm or two and you can't tell if we swept or not you got their back on the road so you guys don't have time as well with the hands if that's what you want me to do i'll do anything you guys want me to do but i just know the reality of it is i know what's what's a priority what isn't and i never seem to get everything needed done which for the most part works we get by but if you stop to do these other

**Speaker 17:** things it's not it's not okay what else on roads laurie put in our box the culvert on sportsman's

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** road a diagram

**Speaker 10:** yeah oh that's right the conceptual design so kind of what i'm saying about that project it's not quite as simple as is just going up there and throwing a bigger club in it yes have you talked to elfinwealth at all um well they came down here yeah i'm on that board if you want me

**Speaker 33:** to pass it well i can if you want to take on them yeah i just got this today so okay because

**Speaker 34:** i can just talk to mike cool about it yeah something i can turn it off

**Speaker 11:** so maybe oh way down there you should get the actual hydrological

**Speaker 10:** so it's like there's two different hands in the state this one's doing this so the hydraulic study addresses the culvert that's there and then the stream alteration guy who gives you the permit to do the project does this

**Speaker 35:** it says oh this is the alteration almost looks like they're putting it back where the original

**Speaker 14:** stream that's exactly what they just bent it down the road here they probably because it's

**Speaker 35:** one culvert instead of two well when they did it like that yeah that's why they did it like that

**Speaker 10:** years ago they wanted to cheapen it up so so basically in talking to stream alteration specialist or whatever you want because of the grade's not very steep there i was going to set it back enough so even if you put a bigger culvert in you're having the same issues that's going to plug that culvert around they suggested raising the road foot to be able to get in a bigger culvert in that area we'd have to raise the row of foot just to put in something bigger and you can read this other hydraulic study on it and you know a massive speed bump yeah yeah it's yeah unfortunately this like john said this is the world we live in where i don't just go out and fix the problem everybody else has control it would take you two

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** years to get all the approvals yeah i mean the army corps engineers actually 50 then you got to go to the landowners apple wall and some of this so you got i mean that's unbelievable so they're

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** going to move the culvert down on suzanne drive this is what it looks like right is that what

**Speaker 17:** they want to do yeah okay so it'd be two culverts so it'd be two and a half yeah oh up there and down

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** right right and you watch her work in the woods so what about that little stream that comes down almost across from suzanne drive it was running i was running not too much but when it rains i'm sure it's gonna come right down into the old probably the old cover culver unless they take that one up because there's still one coming down from the

**Speaker 10:** woods were they going to leave that color yeah you leave the ones there it's not fake

**Speaker 23:** it's just when you get it yeah it's to get is to put extra water somewhere yeah yeah well that's

**Speaker 10:** what this can't hold the capacity yeah if you put a bigger culvert in there so instead of having a floodplain that's basically what you have now in that culvert it makes the road and the surrounding area floodplain so it disperses the energy so once you send it all through the culvert what do you think it's going to do to where it's coming out i mean it's going to gut right down by that guy's garage like you you think you're fixing the problem but you're not and that's why they come up with this other plant well you get a drop on the other side of any culvert you get dropped yeah so yeah but now you're putting all the water instead of just fanning it out so it's gonna you know it's gonna channelize even more so maybe the new floodplain yeah that's what would have happened you would you end up it probably comes down all through and go right through your house after because now you're sending all of it which is why we have what plane and why they try not to let you go they want to not have

**Speaker 30:** that issue you fix your problem just move it out yeah when i come in and color your trees down

**Speaker 36:** really okay um anything else then dave

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** recycling

**Speaker 10:** close the recycling center because we had

**Speaker 17:** power yesterday right yeah and i didn't notice any bags up there

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** last night nobody threw them over or came out there so that was good yeah i don't think anybody

**Speaker 10:** went in there good um i did have a call from somebody from the state i don't know if we took air conditioners and air conditioners are still on our list i think they emailed me and i emailed

**Speaker 11:** them back a sheet with all of our fees and we do take our but we took it off the list

**Speaker 22:** i thought because it's got the freon refrigerated and they were i thought we were gonna all that

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** stuff was gonna go down to that we said take them down to north adams

**Speaker 17:** save them for that guy with the refrigerator somebody tried to bring it to that and they

**Speaker 10:** won't pay it to north adams oh just oh yeah yeah somebody has to like manually

**Speaker 9:** remove that freon out of there you can't just throw it out right there used to be a guy in

**Speaker 7:** clarkford that would always supposed to attack them i don't think the whole freon is now worth about five thousand dollars a pound really yeah there's whole businesses where people go around

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** and just drain the refrigerator so somebody called because they wanted to get rid of their

**Speaker 32:** air conditioner and what did we tell them i didn't speak to the person um it was the swift

**Speaker 37:** people who received the call you know what you know what you know well this is the easiest idea

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** why not still on the list it sounds like we don't we don't we have to take it off we probably should

**Speaker 9:** it off yeah yeah what's i think from this moment on we're gonna take it off yeah it's probably gonna

**Speaker 22:** cost you money do we take those people do we take refrigerators we take those anymore we we had this

**Speaker 38:** discussion a lot yeah we did up the last year

**Speaker 36:** storm for that guy up in the air there are we taking them off the list and then there's

**Speaker 29:** who's that we had a new recycling place in adam yeah i know the guys the guy that owns it i know

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** him real well i'm just referring to that i don't i can't remember the name i mentioned that meeting because they take mattresses yeah yeah i could i can look into that if you want nasty

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** and can the individual people bring them down could i bring my mattress down or my i'll ask them or does it have to be a town or store so maybe when we review our informational sheet for

**Speaker 11:** starting november 1st for the limits of changes i mean they they don't just take them he charges

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** to take them of course right the same thing with the mattress we never do anything yeah

**Speaker 31:** yeah i can get a price list for what he takes i want to take them to your town and then bring them

**Speaker 9:** to him i would just refer stuff like that to like hey if you've got a refrigerator or air conditioner call this guy and you let them if you want to get rid of let them pay it yeah that'd be good

**Speaker 16:** on the informational sheet about what we take and don't take to have some links yeah if we don't

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** take it yeah right i think we did say that one time that was just in the selection minutes yeah

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i think more than takes pretty much everything but they charge you you know it just costs money

**Speaker 39:** to get rid of stuff but they wouldn't take it from stamford you have no i mean i haven't

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** done that yeah i mean i mean i bring up stuff from northlands all the time i have a dump trailer i fill right up and bring it up there there's certain things that like you said if there's a refrigerator in there you have to separate it you take charge of x amount of dollars for that and then that demo and stuff like that goes into the trash there's no difference they charge about a pound it's not cheap you work over a scale there's your money um anything else on recycling

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** the emergency management um i guess bill gave lori a couple bills that we have to pay for the

**Speaker 7:** fire truck now we got to the point where they delivered the cabin chassis and that's a hundred and seven thousand dollars and some miscellaneous 107 670 and at the same time we're getting credit on four hundred and twenty nine dollars and three cents for paying for that chassis now rather than when the engines delivered because it saves them having to finance it

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** so the 107 is with the credit with the four thousand dollars credit the 107

**Speaker 7:** has to be paid the credit comes off of the 525 000 okay for the engine okay

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** get 521. okay so there's money there's uh with the 50 000 that was appropriated this year there'll be 232 000 in the fire department uh account so we have no problem paying this 107 out of there

**Speaker 7:** yep that's where it's supposed to come from yep okay

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** yeah i don't know why we even keep that money why does it why don't we give it right to the fire department i mean it's a warrant article it's a warrant article i don't know why we keep track of

**Speaker 40:** it i mean you're a separate entity you're not it's invested yeah yeah i guess and so we're taking

**Speaker 7:** advantage of the best opportunity lori hasn't invested i didn't make the decision i guess

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** i'm going to say it was always done that way but it's good to keep an eye on it too we have

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** we can see what's going on it's good for the taxpayers

**Speaker 7:** it's almost like it's a replacement fund yeah so we've accepted we've already authorized disbursement of it and then we have the numbers that are coming up to consider because with the money that will come in 26 and 27 that's how far we had authorized a town meeting at 50 000 a year from 23 to 27 is going to leave 141 000 on so if we get to the point where we ask to continue that replacement fund at 50 000 a year it'll cover the interest on what's borrowed and all in an additional three years so be 28 29 30 and it's done okay i was going to

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** say we you don't think we should borrow the money now and pay the interest oh we are going to have

**Speaker 41:** to borrow that money before 27 comes up at the end of this year okay yeah well yeah those interest rates are still going up that's all i'm saying at the end of this year we're going to have to borrow

**Speaker 7:** the money the first payment for it will be in 26 no in 25. okay bill we may have to reward that article

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** because in 2022 town meeting we said the town will raise appropriate fifty thousand dollars annually for a five-year period beginning in 2022. 23 22. so 22 23 24 25 26 we can only work we can only go out five years so we can't do that next year next no in 26 we'll have to reword the article or put another article on to continue the because the last payment will not be in the 27th

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** can we just do it next year and amend this article

**Speaker 39:** add to the end of it oh write a new article write a new article

**Speaker 7:** the reason we kept this was five years is a commitment in the maximum without considering bonding right so when we run out of the five years we can look for permission for another for a three year okay

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** about an unchi and we are getting to the end of this payment here without saying five years we should vote on it every third one so stadules an article on the tell me in the town meeting either way it doesn't we used to yeah we got ahead there we bought a truck we got to get there so yeah what i think

**Speaker 11:** year that's what we kind of learned I think to go to that and that okay

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** that's why we really need an article for three if we come up soon to overlap

**Speaker 7:** because either way around we need the money by the end yeah for I think

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** somewhere though they said you we can't commit money but we do have a contract oh so if we didn't have a contract maybe we can't commit money for I want to raise just in case just in case right but we might buy something right can't do it because we have a number we can't commit future town people to something

**Speaker 40:** that we said might happen right but we know this all negotiated the purchase

**Speaker 7:** of two ambulances for the Northern Berkshire and found that the best he did was with Adam's co-op with him in a very favorable way he's willing to approach them for a similar rate for loan for us unless you or Laurie would rather do that

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** yourself

**Speaker 7:** I mean he has the people and he knows that now that we're within at the beginning of the year we couldn't ask them for something when we didn't they could only commit six months forward now we know we're within the six-month range

**Speaker 40:** so they can give us a firm commitment so when do we expect to have this fire

**Speaker 7:** truck it's not a promise but the likelihood is no better

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Oh nice

**Speaker 7:** yeah this November the difficulty of it is you don't want to take your brand-new shiny fire truck and bring it out in the snow and the state in the mud so yeah

**Speaker 6:** gotta use it

**Speaker 7:** it may depending on where we are within them too the white one which will go out go once it arrives it may be we may park engine two on the outside take its face and put the brain water training further in the back corner also have it for training as people get used to it and hopefully not put it out in the nasty stuff if you can avoid it, but it's there to do the job.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So one little note, I have a customer that buys chassis, a lot of chassis, by the thousands, and they buy Ford chassis. They were, I'm going to say it was 2022, they were paying about $36,000 to $38,000 for a chassis and now they're paying $84,000 for a chassis. That's where the numbers have gone. So Paul actually mentioned to me and Glenn, it was really a great idea for us to jump on this because we would be paying a lot. Yes. Yeah, at least 50% more. That's where it is.

**Speaker 7:** So we'll have to see where we land. We are, once it's here, we're going to start looking to go to Mack Truck Collectors with a promise that we could probably release it in the fall or early spring, the one that we originally bought from California. And if we can get $5,000 or $6,000 back out of it, it'll go to the equipment that we still will need, you know, new equipment. We've budgeted for it. We've got about $10,000 for the small stuff that you've got to put on the engine. Mm-hmm. All right, then I will ask Paul to go ahead.

Thank you. So if I put the check in and just call you when it's ready, am I just going to mail it in or?

**Speaker 7:** Mail it to him.

Mail it to him.

**Speaker 7:** He'll be looking for it.

**Speaker 34:** Yeah, yeah, yeah.

**Speaker 7:** If there's more questions about it, if you don't have an answer, I'll be happy to try and get it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Larry, could you like FEMA and ask them for more questions? Now, what day, what was it again? What size tires are those?

**Speaker 7:** The biggest thing they want to save for tradition is the big electric siren, the dynamic one with the motor that winds up and winds down. Apparently, they're like $7,000 or $8,000 to buy new if you do fiber. So that will go on the new engine.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, anything else, Phil?

**Speaker 40:** All that I've got.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. DV Fiber Financial Assistance. Financial Assistance Review Policies. It was mentioned at a previous meeting that we should have a policy, but I think we kind of decided that we were going to give $500 per application.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Up to?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Up to. So Laurie and I worked on the application, and if that's, should we put that on the application? Select Board approves up to $500 per application. For household. And then it says, I am requesting funding for the following project. Installation of DV Fiber at home address. Sure. And then application should be submitted with a self-certification form to the Select Board in a sealed envelope. Applications will be considered as received and reviewed privately. I think those were the questions we had, Laurie. Bob never got back to us on it, so I guess it's okay with him. So you have the final form if you want to finalize it, get it ready for anybody that wants it.

**Speaker 7:** And I'm still trying to get them to identify the five households that they claim were awaiting installation, because they have some kind of installation problem.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay.

**Speaker 7:** But with all their privacy.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yes.

**Speaker 7:** Routine. Bob and I both took that course and signed off for a certificate that we would hold everything private and confidential. They still haven't given us the five.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Delinquent dog update.

**Speaker 11:** So those tickets have worked down to 10 people and 15 dogs.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Are the 10 people the regulars? Or are they five? Are they following up on...

**Speaker 22:** Well, they just paid a couple weeks ago for the election.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Pretty soon it's going to be time.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It amazes me. This one doesn't amaze me.

**Speaker 16:** I think we should publish it like, you know, delinquent taxes. Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm saying. This is... A little shaming. Yeah. Just to remind people if they forgot or they're not paying attention or they didn't get Luke's bill.

**Speaker 42:** This is worse than the taxes because it's pennies.

**Speaker 14:** We weren't at like 10 or 15 until just like... November.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** March. Yeah. About when March. So what's this next step? Are these people coming in or calling you or anything?

**Speaker 11:** They have been coming in.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** These 10 people or...

**Speaker 11:** Well, those 10 people we haven't heard anything from. Okay. I guess I'd have to look at our ordinance if the next step might be the court system.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. I would have Luke proceed with the next step then.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What's it? $10? Something like that? Close enough.

**Speaker 43:** $9 if it's deferred and $13 if it's...

**Speaker 37:** I mean...

**Speaker 11:** If you do it by April 1st.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I can't believe this.

**Speaker 11:** And then it's a $2 and $4 penalty. See, some of these people have $2 and $4. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And then it's a $2 and $4 penalty. And then it's a $2 and $4 penalty.

**Speaker 3:** And then it's a $2 and $4 penalty.

**Speaker 11:** And then it's a $2 and $4 penalty. And then it's a $2 and $4 penalty.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. And then it's a $2 and $4 penalty. So, why don't these people have kids? Why don't they get the rabies shots for these animals, right? How much is the penalty for them? $2 if it's fixed and $4 if it's...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So, they won't pay the $9, but when they get the $2 penalty, that makes the pay? No.

**Speaker 11:** I get that reminder. Didn't we charge them more for this?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, these guys were doing $50 penalty.

**Speaker 11:** Oh, okay. So, these guys, some of them are... When your dog fine goes over your taxes, then they're going to pay. Lisa, you had a question? Yeah. I'm sorry. This is not the right time, but back to the emergency room. So, what are the things that you're doing?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm not sure. Your dog fine goes over your taxes, then they're gone.

**Speaker 34:** Lisa, you had a question? Yeah, I'm sorry, this is not the right time, but back to the emergency management, and Paul is still here in case he leaves. Like, what are we doing about, I don't know if this is the right board to talk about, but the heat, like, I heard like a lot of people are using the bathroom outside of Belmont, the floor potty and stuff like that. Do we, who's taking care of like when we have, are we gonna have that discussion about what happens during heat or storms when the power goes out?

**Speaker 7:** I'm sorry, who's taking care of the emergency shelter?

**Speaker 34:** Yeah, that kind of thing. Emergency shelter. Cooling centers. Well, we don't have cooling centers. Because what happens if, because we have a generator, but like a lot of people don't, what happens when you can't use your bathroom, or what? I feel like if they're going to Belmont for the floor potty, I feel like we have a problem in town that we need to look into.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I think it's the same that we've dealt with before, that somebody's gotta be here to man the building. Right. And open the building. Is it nighttime? Who's staying over? I know, I just didn't think about it.

**Speaker 34:** I know. Because, you know, with extreme heat, it's not as bad as the cold, but it kind of can be. I thought of that, too.

**Speaker 7:** At least the kind of thing they get responsibility for is, one, who's gonna open, you know, we can find somebody to go from the building. Who's going to stay? And actually, if you open the building and you follow the routine that we're supposed to, you're supposed to take information and log who came in, and also the who left, so that you don't wind up with some kid in a corner somewhere after you've relocked the building, like you were in the back corner of a school bus, and somebody's gotta do that. I mean, don't you get a team for that or something?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I thought Bob was working on something like that.

**Speaker 7:** There is, yeah, it's a civilian emergency response team.

**Speaker 44:** Is that under the emergency management people?

**Speaker 34:** Oh, it's served.

**Speaker 45:** Yeah, that's his, that's his.

**Speaker 46:** Right.

**Speaker 7:** It's non-first responders helping in an emergency situation. Right. And so, you know, 15, 20 years ago, we wound up with getting, you know, some assistance from Red Cross, when Red Cross was still a lot more active in Bennington County, which they're not now. We have some guidelines. We need people. The five or six people that we gathered up at the time, there were probably three left in town, including Nancy, Joan, and me. Some have passed away. Some have moved out of town. Those people that were, you know, anxious, terribly anxious to get involved in, you know, civic authority, you know, civic assistance, we'd be happy to try and get them trained.

**Speaker 34:** What kind of training would it involve? I think we have enough people in town that care that, you know,

**Speaker 47:** Well, not only...

**Speaker 7:** Yeah, but it isn't enough to say, I care. Yeah. You're willing to learn what you're supposed to be doing, those forms that ought to be filled out. You're going to take the responsibility that if there's a storm, and even if your house is flooded, you're going to come here and help other people.

**Speaker 16:** There was some discussion from Bob Briggs about instigating just, or encouraging people taking it upon themselves to find... I mean, it's sort of like when we had those neighborhood, you know, team, like, information people. But to, you know, for each person to take sort of the responsibility to reach out to, you know, the neighbors that they know and say, you know, Okay, Doug, come to my house if you need to jump in the swimming pool. Or my stove has gas, and so if there's no, you know, if there's no electricity, and you don't want peanut butter and jelly for dinner, come to my house and we'll make... Not Doug's. But to find, you know, to find each other, to, you know, encourage versions of finding each other. And it's not comprehensive by any means, but it's doable. Maybe even back to the captains then, or whatever. Yeah, neighborhood captains, or, you know, seeing... I mean, especially for people who have, you know, if they're on any kind of life support thing that's going to depend on, then they need to either have a generator or know someone with a generator.

**Speaker 48:** You know, my neighbors and I, we all say,

**Speaker 34:** Okay, I have a stove. Right. My neighbor has a better generator than us. Right. But she doesn't have a stove that works on that generator, and we trade around.

**Speaker 48:** Exactly, exactly.

**Speaker 49:** So maybe his neighbor was like,

**Speaker 16:** I have a generator. Do you have anything that's going to go bad in your fridge? Because I don't have a generator. Bring it up. So, you know, that kind of... I mean, can we get something like that organized?

**Speaker 14:** I think at one time, there was probably a greater sense of that in town. Yeah, but let's start it up again.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Let's start the conversation. I checked with my neighbors that I knew. I called one path. I'm fine.

**Speaker 39:** Yeah, well, she tells me that

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** every time there's a problem.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're fine. They're fine. They're in their 80s, and they are always fine. Right. But they know the opportunity. They literally sat in front of their gas stove when they lost power in the winter, opened the oven, and that's where they stayed. Yep. They don't want to come out. They kept warm by that. And I said, I got wood. Come on up. I got a generator. Everything's the same as when we had power up in my house. Yep. We're good,

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** but thank you for asking. Yep. And another lady, I said, I've got the water. Do you want a shower? Nope. I'm not opening my refrigerator freezer. I have a gas stove. I'm fine. I can get my water for my... You know, this sense of self-reliance...

**Speaker 16:** It's what it is. It's beautiful and strong, and it seems like encouraging some version of those conversations... So that's where I...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't want to lack... Compassion. Compassion, yeah. Yeah. But what constitutes an emergency? Because they have to go to the bathroom? Yes. That's what I'm saying is, and again, I'm trying to be gentle here, but if I have to go to the bathroom, I've been here, I've been camping before. Yeah. And not everybody lives in the woods.

**Speaker 50:** Well,

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** but this is Stamford, Vermont, not New York City, so I'm wondering why people... Where does it end? Because I do, and again, I'm not trying... I know there's elderly people, and I do agree with the neighborhood helping each other. That's community. And I would have no problem helping people, but I don't have the time to go to all the training. I mean, I used to be a fireman. I know what it takes to be a train... To train just a... That was, what, three years ago? Yeah. Three years ago. Yeah. Yeah. So, that was, what, 30 years ago? It's double that now. So, I understand all that, but where does it end? We had one time where people wanted to come here because they felt alone. So, they just want to come and talk, but there's no emergency. And that's where that volunteer system gets broke down when they go, jeez, I know a guy that does a soup kitchen right now. He does a... It's a Meals on Wheels, and he loves to do it. And he started with 40 people, now they're up to 100 and something. So, that's where that volunteer system gets broken down. So, we're going to have a meal for 40 people and we're going to have a meal for 100 and something households in North Adams. But after he gives the free meal, he sees the same person down at Cumberland Farms buying a pack of cigarettes and it bothers him. He keeps doing it, but it bothers him. Where does it end? So, I'm not saying we shouldn't have something in place, but I really agree that if we could take it amongst ourselves, not just in this room, but pass the word along. Me too. Marta and I and Dan Poffin and Kurt have talked about this, I don't know, informational thing that we can do whenever we can do it. They already have in the school like a craft thing. Have a booth that says this is what we suggest. Here's some here's some pamphlets that you can go to North Adams Shelter which is open or you can these are things where you can buy a generator and it's inexpensive and how to use a generator, you know,

**Speaker 38:** I don't know.

**Speaker 22:** We can find ourselves a community room somewhere

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** that could go along with helping with some of this.

**Speaker 50:** Yeah,

**Speaker 34:** I mean, what about something like that, like a phone tree? I don't know

**Speaker 14:** how that ever worked

**Speaker 51:** or anything.

**Speaker 14:** Some worked and some did

**Speaker 16:** and ours did. Mary Lou did was ours and it worked. It's all about the person. It's like Bill says

**Speaker 52:** when you have

**Speaker 42:** good volunteers

**Speaker 16:** you're going to have a good system. Exactly, but even just having something like at this resiliency like fair that we're talking about, even having something that's like a checklist for people who are you know, in the event of a power outage, what would be the things that you, for them to think for themselves and then just be like do you have a resource that you can reach out to and similarly, you know, what resources do you have that you would be able to share with, you know, a limited number so that you're not taking everybody in, you know, that you could offer to some of your neighbors. Or neighbors, host neighbors, you know, this last thing. There were people beautifully out, it was very heartening saying, you know, is anybody having trouble in this storm? Does anybody need help? Which I just,

**Speaker 14:** I was like, this is a good question. Emergency management is, they're all great conversations. I don't, I just don't know how to coalesce at all,

**Speaker 53:** right?

**Speaker 16:** How do we all get together and start talking about this stuff? Each person kind of has to be responsible in finding

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** what their emergency plan is. The less, the less formal training you need, the better you can get things done. Yeah. It's just like, go all the way back to what John said, this is the world we live in. The minute you become a formal entity, insurance, liability, all this,

**Speaker 52:** all this,

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** kind of red tape gets in the way

**Speaker 54:** sometimes,

**Speaker 14:** you know. Informally, every emergency, every house turns into a

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** permanent camp for 60 days, figure it out. You know, I worked up and off. They were my family members, but apparently I'm the guy that knows

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** what I want to do.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But I have, I have five generators, so I had two extra ones,

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** you know. Like Bill said, too, if we open the school, you have to go through certain protocol, the state, local Red Cross, and...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Now Bob did put... ...become the caretaker to everyone that's there. Yeah. Bob did put on Facebook, if there's anybody that is really and truly need anything, call 911. Yeah. If you need anything, call Bob and he will guide you

**Speaker 7:** or get you out. Bob does much better with social media than I ever did. Sure, sure. I don't have a Facebook account. I'm not comfortable trying to use it. We tried for years to repeat and repeat it down meeting and minutes for people to reach out if they need. But...

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Did anybody ever fill out those forms that you had? What are your needs? Bring them back to... Did they go to the fire department or town office? I don't think they came here. I think they probably went to the fire department. What are your needs? Do you... Are you on oxygen?

**Speaker 40:** Do you need...

**Speaker 7:** At one point... Well, you know how far back it goes? Yeah. There was a card attached or inserted to the town report and Yankee Atomic paid for it. Yeah. Yeah. And... We got probably about 15 thousand people who had to go back and do a check-in or something because people don't want to admit that

**Speaker 16:** they need

**Speaker 14:** help. They don't want to identify a medical

**Speaker 55:** condition

**Speaker 7:** that needs assistance. Yeah. Well, that's all them then. That's why you train everyone

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** out at town meeting in past years that little flip page booklet um done with delinquent docs

**Speaker 11:** correspondence correspondence so i received a letter from the irs this week i'm happy to report that at least we have resolved the filing for the fourth quarter of december 2023. i'm happy um the other third quarter is up in the air and the first two quarters i have sent in my letter disputing their findings and um ask them to recalculate and review the information and

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** i don't know if john and dunn john and doug are familiar with what happened or

**Speaker 18:** so the irs loves it so we um you file your taxes and they're like oh hey

**Speaker 9:** you we found out you owe more money than you gotta pay they want you to pay more money it's we um

**Speaker 11:** pay payroll every two weeks so we automatically would submit the withheld taxes to the irs every two weeks and then at some point they said look you you withhold less than fifty thousand dollars of taxes in a year you should be paying them monthly not every two weeks so i got this letter saying you need to change how you pay you need to change how you pay you need to change how you pay okay recreate the wheel we started paying a monthly and then you know five months later they sent us a terrific bill and said hey you didn't do it quarterly like you have been and they charged us like eighteen hundred dollars in penalty interest for not filing it every two weeks when they told me to file it monthly and i disputed it and they looked at it and said sorry charlie you blow it and then when the second quarter i mean june 30th came through

**Speaker 56:** they hit us again with another hundred dollars really maybe it's time to write our

**Speaker 57:** representatives or our senators well yeah you know we were in between with laura civilian

**Speaker 11:** leaving and then the new guy being sick and not really but um no but i mean you call uh

**Speaker 56:** what's our representative and i'm talking congressional because if it's with the irs

**Speaker 11:** well we've fought it and um you know hopefully this will work if not we'll continue with the

**Speaker 32:** change you finally got to talk to somebody right and i finally got to talk to someone and um

**Speaker 11:** you know they guided me through fill out a schedule b and fill it out this way and maybe this will help them to recognize that i mean i would have never changed how i did it if they didn't write me a letter saying you have to do it monthly so and they have not even reviewed that letter but i've gone back to filing it every two weeks like i always have and but the thing is

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** they have the money every two weeks instead of monthly you think they would be happy

**Speaker 3:** right right but they're sending it in on time and so it's just been a difficult um but it's good that we're not going to be fine for the third quarter our fourth quarter yeah the first two we've already

**Speaker 11:** been fine with them trying to get our money back the third quarter but we haven't made a decision

**Speaker 9:** if we're going to go through with it again if we're going to write it anyway we don't necessarily

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** have a place where we can be might be a win or a loss and there's a lot of people i haven't

**Speaker 11:** spoken to in the last week and i think they're taking the plunge because you know they want to create a new book series and they want to go get the book and they want to see the book and so therefore i think you know we'll also be looking at that as well right what i'm saying with the

**Speaker 58:** um i in in the survey that we did to the library community is actually to help our students how we

**Speaker 56:** they tell you one thing you call another one and you get something completely the

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** right Ian does not good keep on Lord any other correspondence old business well I

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** guess I can mention this on our own business off the state troopers been in town we get three days in a row actually it was on social media that he was here one day and they said about time but he's been in town he was at least three days I met him I wish I could remember his name right this second didn't write it down I've seen him he lives up in really hard Sunday yes he the gentleman trying to find the order of the purple boy he was I kind of was I had my first question is is so you stopped a guy he's mitted to you he stole the bike and you didn't ask him where it was came from because he was a lot because the trooper was looking for the owner because so he's driving around asking anybody knows who the spike is and I'm like why did you ask the guy that's it I don't know it's a good guy so but I mentioned while I had him had his attention I asked him to try to do more patrols down here he did mention the same old story there's seven or eight of them and they have I don't really go from Manchester to Stamford you know so they got a huge and there only work it's not like all a guys work in the same time they have shifts so you have like three guys on duty

**Speaker 59:** that means they're still six or seven understaffed right so it's just this is

**Speaker 39:** in the world it's too happy just couldn't give him just a cruise when it goes out took aiem drive out a round he does and he has been you know I don't

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** know if anybody's seen him listen I'm he was that someone mentioned about weekends wandering nights with Saturday night yeah I've seen him some time I know somebody now says see We've seen him a couple times on Saturday night when he goes out you know I don't know if anybody's ever saw him he was on someone mention about weekends what kinds of Saturday night yep Saturday night yep That means, was he sitting around on an empty bench? so you can't get no better than Saturday night and he stayed all the way the whole night back and forth yeah so you will hear down the road someone's gonna say why are state troopers in there I just got stopped that's too bad but I'm just saying at least there's that he's closer now he might be able to do a little bit more even it like you said even if he drives through once along it

**Speaker 60:** comes down turns around that presence he's a very nice guy and I will get his

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** name again I'm sorry I had it in my head and I can't remember his name I think it's Stevens officer Stevens that's been pretty sure but yeah I just want to let you know that he wasn't okay I just like

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** to remind the board that we're doing a site inspection on Thursday August 1st at quarter of five which will begin at the Stamford school and we're going up to the intersection of trail number 301 no yes that's what we're starting 301

**Speaker 9:** so I have some signs proposals that's under old or new different sizes this is just to get you an idea of what a three by four square 12-square sign look like nice 12-square three by four that's perfect that's great that's three by four that's beautiful and then this one's a little different a little smaller different format but this is what a 12-square sign is could

**Speaker 21:** we do both sides so it's yeah so this is one side on top and

**Speaker 9:** school so this is like 30 by 54 it seems like it jumps out a little bit more yeah well I'm yeah we're doing a two-sided sign and so that's within the zone

**Speaker 36:** within the zone take the end off Stamford school town office library yeah

**Speaker 9:** I don't know if you want public library town library just library just library

**Speaker 14:** which one do you like

**Speaker 46:** which one do you like we'll go with that one this one this is a smaller one

**Speaker 9:** not by much are the letters bigger or the same for school the paper school

**Speaker 20:** plans bigger I see him side by side

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** between a standard school town office by word yeah you don't even need public

**Speaker 36:** just library yep and this one's 30 by 54 or something like that but there this

**Speaker 9:** one's under 12 square that one is

**Speaker 46:** so that one fits in the bylaws they both they both do they both do

**Speaker 11:** Can I take the and off and the public? Yes.

**Speaker 9:** Can you go back? However, you guys want to sign I'm assuming it so you can see it driving both ways Yeah, they're correct distance from the road We'll make sure we put it where it's supposed to be

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah Can you put on the side

**Speaker 61:** Just library

**Speaker 9:** Yeah, I mean this is just a general idea you guys can because change it however you guys want

**Speaker 62:** For color yeah, yeah, maybe just take the public on

**Speaker 46:** Polar very black or white. I don't know one coat. I know one person that would like green and white

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't isn't that what the green yellow look like yellow or like the school of colors, right? I do the Bobcat color

**Speaker 46:** I

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Do you want Hours to I guess the old sign was gray with

**Speaker 9:** Jet has the questions gonna pay for it, so I've had several Citizens in town that are willing to donate money. Mm-hmm. I'm willing to put money forward for a Head if not foot it. Have you had a Um jb3 quote of me Like 700 bucks to do a seater sign two sides And then you would have to Install and whatever else but right. I mean I've already been told someone's like I'll give you $250 so I don't think money's gonna be an issue so based on these two which one did you

**Speaker 62:** like the best I like this one if we get rid of the hand and just say library I

**Speaker 21:** like the long oh yeah you can probably do all in the same size right instead of

**Speaker 9:** gold I figured to see if the school you want bigger because then I mean it makes

**Speaker 7:** all the same size

**Speaker 9:** yeah you probably have to go all does this you probably have to all go to like this size or a size in between to get it all the fit and I like it just the way

**Speaker 16:** this yeah I think having it different sizes jumps out makes it look like three different things if all the words are exactly the same size it's gonna blend together

**Speaker 14:** yeah just know take the inside out and show where as it goes down yeah yeah first period

**Speaker 11:** yeah I like that I like this one I think you're out of it oh well Mike said you like that one too well we'll see

**Speaker 9:** what looks like should we hang them in here a lot of people think about it for

**Speaker 46:** a couple days or what oh boy oh boy John so he took the time to look at the guidelines for visual safety when you were drawing in a morgue year Oh boy! Oh boy! I guess we'll hear from John so he took the time to look at the guidelines for visual safety when you were drawing in a morgue year at 35,000 hours What's that? Guidelines for operating motor vehicle safety

**Speaker 9:** Okay

**Speaker 46:** There are guidelines for how big a font has to be visible safely from there

**Speaker 63:** Dave do you know that? It is online

**Speaker 10:** Well there is but I don't that's not a regulatory sign it's just a

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Location sign yeah it's not a road sign

**Speaker 64:** Okay

**Speaker 16:** It's gonna be better than what we have now

**Speaker 39:** So the next step then is

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We have to apply for building permit

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Hey talk to Deb say this is our submit that Submit what the final result we'll submit We'll tell her it's gonna go within the distance of where we have to put it And file a permit She should be able to approve it right then and there if it's within everything And done deal it shouldn't even have to go to any boards Right Before we finalize the whole

**Speaker 34:** What about the location then?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well as I'm saying we'll have to go within the location

**Speaker 34:** But you also have to consider the The post that's gonna be on

**Speaker 46:** Are they both three places

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The post can go behind well in the middle

**Speaker 46:** So that was a question

**Speaker 9:** That was a question I had before we started was Do the post come into play with the size of the sign I don't know

**Speaker 56:** I would say no I mean You're talking the sign you know Yeah so

**Speaker 9:** I think we have an argument So if you put So you can put the post if it's a double sized sign Maybe you can put the post in between the sign Right so then it's just sticking out the bottom and that's fine

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah If you put it on the building you wouldn't consider the size of the building for a sign

**Speaker 65:** So it's the same thing

**Speaker 56:** Okay Well what's the speed limit 30 isn't it Coming through town they shouldn't be going that fast anyway Not when it's not school time

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah I'm not worried about that I just I'm not sure about the post I don't know I don't know either That's a good question for our planning board committee That's the CPA Yep

**Speaker 10:** I think it shouldn't be From a high school standpoint only matters if it's in the right way As far as what you use for a post If it's in the right way which we can't have it in the right way anyway Correct If it were it'd have to be breakaway or shielded

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right

**Speaker 10:** So if it's not in the right way I'm not sure it matters

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay Well I think we should do a final draft and present it to them See if it goes through and then we'll go from there Yep If it don't and we have to go and ask for appearance because of the If it's the poles or the location or whatever

**Speaker 66:** Yeah the size

**Speaker 16:** Right Smaller This one that we were looking at is slightly below Slightly under Right So that would give us

**Speaker 67:** Four by four post sticking out that much isn't going to add much

**Speaker 16:** That would give us leeway

**Speaker 9:** It's only four right Yeah it's like 11.25 square and the other one is 12 square

**Speaker 16:** So the 11.25 is better anyway for the If we had that post close

**Speaker 9:** And they say if it's within what 5% or something Well you can see how big of a sign you get for 12 square I mean it's not a bad size Nope I mean if you got to make it a little smaller or accommodate the posts Then I think That's a lot bigger than what we were pointing at

**Speaker 39:** Yeah

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Good job

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yep Very good

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think we should move on

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Do what Yes Anything else under old business Yep Um next meeting hazardous mitigation plan Dara will be here for 15 minutes to review the plan

**Speaker 11:** I think that she wants to do the 15th not

**Speaker 3:** Oh the 15th

**Speaker 11:** I think she can't do the first

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay Whatever date it is then 15

**Speaker 11:** I think it's 8-15 she wants

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** 8-15 And while we're on that 8-15

**Speaker 68:** August 15

**Speaker 56:** August 15

**Speaker 11:** You'll also have a liquor board meeting prior to that meeting I'll try to remind you So the next meeting coming up You'll have to be early to the site visit And the meeting after that you'll have to be early again Because you'll have a liquor board meeting for Bill Muntz Okay The state has staggered them now Instead of just having them all in one shot We used to do them all in like February, March So

**Speaker 9:** Who was in charge of the liquor board?

**Speaker 11:** We

**Speaker 9:** We all are

**Speaker 69:** We all are

**Speaker 9:** Well I was just asking because the last There was a meeting or two before And it had different names on it I was just curious If they were the same people or not

**Speaker 11:** It was funny we call it liquor board But it's really the beer and wine

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right Yeah And the state usually sends us notices Or sends them to Lori if there's violations So we would look at that We can approve it Or not approve it Any other new business?

**Speaker 14:** Does anyone know what's going on with the burnt out house on Mill Road?

**Speaker 22:** Any information on it? Someone told me that there was lights going on off there Like there So I guess the concern was that kids might be going there? No If you notice anything

**Speaker 46:** I would hope that the power would be shut off if it was

**Speaker 9:** Had a fire in there Maybe there was a flashlight Oh yeah yeah Some flashlights I guess the concern was that someone might get injured in the house

**Speaker 46:** Kid or whatever

**Speaker 70:** Just thought I'd mention it

**Speaker 12:** Oh I hope the homeowner's got good insurance In case someone gets hurt in there I believe there's an ongoing investigation so If they take the house down they won't be able to rebuild it That's you know I don't know I don't know

**Speaker 9:** I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know

**Speaker 71:** I don't know

**Speaker 11:** I don't know I don't know

**Speaker 12:** I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't I don't know We know

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You know

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay Another site visit Anything else? Yes I'd like to make a motion To go into executive session for personnel

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** During that executive session I would like to ask Dave I don't know if you were going to Oh no I would like to ask Dave Just to stay for five minutes Out of questions It's nothing to do with personnel It's another matter about Maybe a purchase Right Thank you very much for coming, good meeting and thank you.

Good.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Tom, my first wife died from eating poison mushrooms. My second wife died from gunshot wound, she wanted to eat the poison mushrooms.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I used to pick them all the time, the cows are in here, don't worry about them, the cows won't bother you. We'll get it. Alright, good night, thank you. Alright, so that's the one. Oh yes, just accepted Denalt's letter.

**Speaker 39:** Johnny thought if you need any money for that sign, let me know, that's a no brainer.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Let's get this behind us.

**Speaker 9:** I'll look into her concern with the font size and see if that's an issue or whatever.

**Speaker 11:** I think it's, Dave talked to her when he left and it's more of like her road signs and regulatory stuff. I think you just got to maybe check with Deb and say here's our...

**Speaker 9:** Yeah, she'll tell us. Yeah, so I'll have another one made up, I'll have the end taken off, the public taken off, just the library. And if Dad comes with something... And I'll leave it. I'll leave it here in the office so Deb can check it out and then, I don't know, we'll

**Speaker 28:** go from there.

**Speaker 14:** We can do the permit. We can ask her about the post card. We'll ask her about the post, the poster card of the sign.

**Speaker 9:** It was never clear on whether it did or not.

**Speaker 28:** I feel like the 12 square feet for this town sign is...