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title: "Stamford Select Board — June 20, 2024"
date: 2024-06-20
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# Stamford Select Board — June 20, 2024

**Session:** Regular · **Duration:** 109 min · [Audio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxGk9MIhAoY) · [Minutes](https://townofstamfordvermont.org/mediaItems/Sbd%20Minutes%206-20-2024.pdf)

**Present:** Nancy L. Bushika, Michael G. Denault, Kurt Gamari, Douglas Wright, John Dunn

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God.

**Speaker 1:** I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God.

**Speaker 2:** I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God. own it um it's got vines growing up it um the way the young kids drive on that road if you get out there fair enough there's somebody's gonna get hurt and on the left-hand side there's two partially dead trees these trees are this big around vines growing up you cannot see last week i got out where i could see i was just about ready to put on my gas and a guy had a 10 speed bike just about three something needs to be done on top of that wing so you can see both ways dave can you look

**Speaker 3:** into that yeah i mean i don't disagree i'd love to have them come down i get irritated pulling out of there myself i just really don't have any policy i'm sure so um you know usually trees are bad and people want to take it down this is more of a safety issue

**Speaker 4:** they're in the right you certainly can take them down so i was just there

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i mean i'd love to have them taken now obviously i can't do it myself right now what about the even

**Speaker 5:** the bushes in the back there seem to be yeah the ones on the left need to be cut back quite a bit

**Speaker 2:** but there's an angle where you can't see between the two trees on the left that's why i did not see the guy in the bike he was doing a good clip and the one on the right the owner of that house has flowers on it and there's this side and then he's got a fence you just can't see a carpenter's upon copy of

**Speaker 6:** something like a whole row of knotweed there or something yeah yeah is there such a distance

**Speaker 7:** that the talent is liable for of the center of the road well right away on east road

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** is actually viable but it's not viable right it's it's is our right and we cannot we can .

trees are a funny thing in this in this search oh yeah well you did a really good job of It's not that we're taking them down for no reason, but they're big old maples. They're public shade trees.

**Speaker 3:** Some of these might have an issue with it, I'm saying. If you want to have even more than that, you need to get somebody to come look at it now. It's just...

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Can you contact the landowner and ask them if they want to remove them? Remove them. It's a hazard.

Yeah.

**Speaker 3:** And I'll be aware of it. All right? Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Thank you. Where's the other two dead ones? In front of the old? There's one.

**Speaker 6:** There's one on the right.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** There's one on the left. Is that on? There's only two on the right.

**Speaker 2:** They all have vines growing up. You can't see them.

Is that the old one in place? Yeah. At least the one on the road. On the corner. All right. Thank you. Okay. So you want me to contact them? The landowners or get in contact with them? Well, it might be the best, you know, just way to go about it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, now that we say we don't have a good policy on trees, maybe we ought to look at a policy on trees that maybe some other towns have and look into it and see what we can do. If we have to hire someone to come in and cut those trees down, there's people out there who can do it. What are the responsibilities? And then there's a lot of trees.

**Speaker 8:** I mean, usually if they're posing an immediate threat,

**Speaker 4:** we have the right to deal with the tree.

**Speaker 6:** I mean, these trees have been that way for probably as long. Right. One is just a 10-foot stump with, you know, a unit of all the vines all over it.

**Speaker 3:** The dead stump shouldn't be an issue. You wouldn't think it would be an issue, but it also can be a snag tree. I mean, there's so many. I've run into so many issues with cutting trees and what kind of year it is. I think we're beyond that where it could be a snag tree and it's for bats. I mean, you know, so.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Once we start cutting trees, the dead trees, do you have one need to be cut? And maybe you have one that needs to be cut where we.

**Speaker 7:** I mean, this is really, I was kind of wondering what's the distance off the road that the town is responsible for? Are they into the power line? They're just going to be like, oh, we can't be cutting people's trees down. No, no, no. It's their tree. It's their tree anyway. I've seen it.

**Speaker 4:** The town is.

**Speaker 9:** I mean, if they're in the line, they're probably going to be pretty much out.

**Speaker 10:** Tomorrow night.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You know, if we, if we said we had a policy to cut these trees down because it's a hazard, we can cut them down. There's just.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Should we treat this like we've done with.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right, right. So it's kind of. Right. Like Nancy said, we don't want to cut two trees down and have everybody in the town say, oh, cut mine down. Right. I got a whole bunch of pine trees. I'd love to have them cut their own down.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Should we send them a letter, though? I'm thinking that. Should we treat it like.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They're, they're owning them.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Right. But also when we have the problem with the animals running out in the road up the north end. Mm-hmm. It could cause an accident. Yeah. That we sent them a letter that this could be a hazard for people going by. You can't see down the road.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Take action.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Should we try that first? Mm-hmm. We send them, okay.

**Speaker 3:** Because they definitely own the tree. We don't own the tree. Right.

Right. So. We don't want to. No.

**Speaker 1:** Like. Well, then we're.

**Speaker 6:** That's what I was going to say. Somehow, can we write a letter, like, you know, bop. You know, these are your trees, you know. You could, like.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, if you really. You could, like, open them up. If you sent me that letter, and I wanted to cut it, I'd say, go ahead, cut them. Yeah. Right. I don't want to pay for it. Right. No. Right. So. Unless I wanted to keep the trees, I would. If I did put up a hassle, I'd say to the town, go ahead and cut them.

**Speaker 6:** Instead. We've got to work in a way where they realize that it's.

It's a hazard. Would.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** If it fell. Or caused an accident.

Would it be their responsibility that.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** I don't call it. It's caused an accident. It's a natural.

**Speaker 4:** It's a natural. And you're not driving the vehicle. Unless you push the tree. It wouldn't.

**Speaker 11:** Right. Do we have to. There's a general. Is there a bureau? That allows us to react to the emergency. So there's a response. Emergency. Yeah. So.

**Speaker 12:** Is that a useful case?

**Speaker 4:** He knows the trees have been there. Right. That's the problem. That's the problem. That's the problem. That's the problem. That's the problem. That's the problem. That's the problem. That's the problem. Especially the ones on the left. I'll go to the point where.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Dead dead.

Right.

**Speaker 4:** You know. I mean. There is an issue with safe sites.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It really is.

I'm trying to get a policy.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Now you're sending a letter to say. You know. We feel it could be a hazard. Could. Could be.

**Speaker 13:** Could be a hazard.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I know. To see if they're going to pay attention.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** We're up to our attention.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're going to take the audit. And then we can go from there. He's right. I mean. The bottom line is. You're sitting there. You're sitting there. I mean. I hate to see this. Because you're pretty much law enforcement. But. People go too fast. That's what it is. I mean. The speed limit is 30 miles an hour. And I was up there. I was up there pretty much. Every road in town. Drive around on my Jeep. They're going 50, 60 miles an hour.

**Speaker 8:** And it's roads that are passing.

**Speaker 4:** You just drive your Jeep out front.

**Speaker 3:** And you slow it down. I can tell you in the winter time. My plows are committed to the intersection. Before I can even see. Right. I have to be on the intersection. Before I can see. Good. So. What is my staff doing?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** So we'll ask you. We're at the center of that. It's a little bishop place. And. See if you can put out your kind of union net. If towns have policies on tree removal.

**Speaker 6:** What does our tree warden do? What is their capacity?

What is their. He took down. Oh. He didn't remove. I was just curious. The position in general. What. What.

**Speaker 4:** What. What. What.

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**Speaker 8:** So when you go cut a tree, though, you've cut trees before, but you determine, you personally determine which tree is safe enough for you and what you want to take care of versus, I got to call someone.

**Speaker 4:** It'll either happen because we're, like, doing a road project or because it needed to wrap, like, it's broken off and it's going to fall off. Right. Just go on the little box.

**Speaker 14:** Go on the little box?

Go on the little box.

**Speaker 4:** I think we have a right to have some new trees, just visit that one.

Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. Any other comments from visitors? Right in the minutes of June 6th. Second.

All in favor? Aye.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, minutes of May 29th, that was the joint meeting with the school board.

**Speaker 2:** Motion.

Second. All in favor? Aye. And regarding the joint meeting, I hope you put that meeting back in there, but yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** It's going to take a while. It's going to take a while, so, yeah.

Okay. Road conditions, Dave, what's going on with that? The barrier, I know we're all going to need to take care of that, right?

**Speaker 7:** So, I mean, there's still more stuff.

**Speaker 1:** We thought that was the last thing, but Dave and I, for the past couple of days, have talked to FEMA. We ended up getting our state emergency rep involved because FEMA decided a year later they wanted all the dimensional standards. Okay. Of every damage on the road. How long was that? How wide was that? How deep was that? So that we've never had to do that before. FEMA representatives, well, a week or two after the flooding went out and did all of this field work, they never filed their report. So now they want us to redo all of it. The worry is, then they take what we try as our best guess. So we have to recreate and compare it with the bills and say, well, your dimensions only are 20 cubic yards, and you're claiming you used 40 cubic yards, so we ain't paying. So we did get the state involved, and they were wonderful, and they fought with FEMA. They told me today to write a letter saying, this has never been our responsibility in the past. You can't accurately recreate that deal a year later. And you just need to weigh that in with them. So that's something that we need to do, and hopefully that will work. But the hours, that's hours that we put in just this week alone over this nonsense is

okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Lori, don't cry. It's like we won't cry now.

**Speaker 1:** Oh, yeah.

**Speaker 4:** We're definitely pretty stern today about it. It's just we're not being reasonable. We can't. This doesn't mean we can sit. We can't. We can't do this.

**Speaker 1:** We can't keep going on and rehashing this. Every time FEMA has someone quit and somebody new starts, you've got to redo all of it.

**Speaker 4:** We already went through all this. They were okay. They approved all of it. The only thing they know is the charge. Well, now we're back to square one because they want measurements done on the things we can't give them measurements.

**Speaker 1:** And, you know, several of our roads. It wasn't just one spot that was damaged. It damaged, like, many different spots on the roads. And there's no way you can tell was it 18 feet or 18 inches, 24 inches, 6 inches. And it varied throughout the damage as the water ran.

**Speaker 7:** Was there any pictures that were taken prior to?

**Speaker 1:** Tons of them. And they got all of them.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And there was about 10 FEMA people around this table all with their computers and... And then they went out on the road with you and... They took all the... They took the measurements that they needed then. They were all happy with it.

**Speaker 4:** The state came... It was around before that. They took measurements and estimates of everything. I mean, everything. There is nothing being hidden here. They can't get all the information. They're just either trying to drag this out or trying to not face it on the money. I don't know. Here's my thought. If... Write the letter. And... And... And... And... And... And... And... And...

And...

**Speaker 4:** And... And... And...

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And... And... And... And... And... And... See if we get a response within two or three weeks. Maybe. And then after that, write to our representatives. I would go Laura Sebelium. I know she's not our... She's...

**Speaker 1:** Well, it's hard because they wanted information on the guardrails and they wanted the material and the size. They went out and measured. The wooden ones are 3 x 5 and the metal ones are 2 x 4, whatever the numbers were. We sent them every bit of it. How long, how many, how much. long how many and then they're right back and so that doesn't make sense they seem a little thin can you go over and measure them oh my god like does our rope measure and i don't know how to read

**Speaker 4:** it was kind of one of my comments you people wouldn't accept my measurements on the guard right now you want me to go measure holes that don't exist anymore right you're good yeah i don't know i think if they look at the work we've got done for the

**Speaker 15:** money we spent they will want to hire us for every job that's done sounds like fun to dry it up first

**Speaker 16:** all yeah yep okay what else do we have getting on roads we've been out roadside and all and

**Speaker 3:** pretty much non-stop so i'll grab jimmy collars tomorrow with jim henderson we'll look over some projects for the grant aid the one we pay and do every year right do you have a site that we uh jeffson road is a couple collars i think is um he's okay with it they're failed collars so it's due regardless so he's trying to pick something that our budget wouldn't allow me to do all of those anyway so what else do you have dave i got a hydraulic study done for a culver that was kind of scary it's going to be an expensive one that's going to be another you know it could possibly end up being concrete it could possibly be an arch but it's going to be expensive so that's going to be a structure for any product at some point at least we have a hydraulic study right now so so what do you have money for culvers

**Speaker 4:** they do have mitigation programs

**Speaker 1:** we try to wait until our hedge and mitigation plan is kind of accepted

**Speaker 4:** in the first stage too uh where on east drill was uh the first major one if you take a look from the top of the fast ridges no it's right it's right um you know a tenth of a mile with that first one

**Speaker 6:** on the right right first one on the right after you go left on the line

**Speaker 17:** um

**Speaker 3:** anything back about the susan drive but i did meet with the stream alterations guy from the state of josh carlisle that's one of those cantalourens it's gonna come down through the woods where it used to be at one time and they're gonna end up having to put it over and have to put it in probably a lot of so it's going to be you know expensive probably we look through it and someday we'll have to but it's not like i said it's not as simple as just putting a bigger pipe where that one exists he didn't feel like that would work anyway because of the 90 degree turn and the depth of the roof of the wall we didn't feel like we could get it in there properly and leave it back in the wood like i said it wouldn't solve the problem those days are long gone

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** nothing on the energy study for the garage yet yeah oh i was gonna wait until you were done

**Speaker 1:** um i got a call just today a call an email from cali fishburne today saying there were 600 municipal buildings that were approved for that grant and they have to have a contractor come and assess every single building so they have been out straight and way far behind but we are on their list they have a contract to come as soon as they can but there's no it doesn't tell us when they want me to pull together heating fuel electricity and any kind of utility information that we can to send them and we're going to start putting things together yeah it's kind of

**Speaker 3:** unfortunate it's such a slow process because the garage really is needed

**Speaker 1:** well they they did finally assign us a contractor they are supposed to reach out to us to schedule a site visit where are they from it doesn't say

**Speaker 6:** is this for the it's like an energy audit basically

**Speaker 1:** it's a municipal energy resilience program so they come into a site visit and determine what they can do to make you more energy efficient and then help you find money to do it

**Speaker 18:** there is relocation funds

**Speaker 3:** maybe somewhere to acquire some of that

**Speaker 9:** i was just worried there uh testing too much money in that building just to have an on-the-wall stream that's a big threat there but we don't really have much

**Speaker 4:** to stop right now there's two issues with the garage that really should be addressed right now there's two issues with the garage that really should get addressed

**Speaker 3:** before winter. Once the doors, the bottom panels and all the garage doors are I've done some hatching on them over the years. About a week ago I had to have Dave from Rock Brook Doors come up and fix one of the cables and there's almost nothing to you know, mount the, you know, for a cable drill.

**Speaker 4:** Well, three out of the four

**Speaker 3:** he's supposedly replacing the bottom panels. He's usually pretty you can see the standing salt sheds are starting to rust pretty good on the front, but when Mike sent up with us doing the cricket on the back for Kennedy last year, he said the rear is actually worse, so. And it does drift in there you know, if you get a rainy day and you want to have the snow on it, it gets on with the dripping. A few years back I had Rick Arnold out there and sealed all the screws and what not, but it's just, I don't know if we want to try to re-coat that or replace it, but it's definitely something that really needs to be looked at a little bit more. Yeah, I haven't gotten up there. You can't see light because there's an inch and a half of insulation on the ceiling. So, I have no idea. Like I said, you can see some water staying on the insulation. So, it's definitely, but it's a metal roof and some of that can just be gone and saved in a million years, but.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** It's definitely. JT consults and schedules us. Tells them our roof is bad and we might want to replace it, but we really don't want to do that without them. Put it across, that's where we can put it for some grant. Anything else on our roof? So, we've got the county road reclassification. Laurie's given us some stuff in our packet here. The Stamford Select Board will hold a public site inspection meeting to view the approximate .3 mile of county road beginning at the intersection of Vassa, trail number 301, Suffolk Pond Trail and county road. Continuing along county road westerly to the bottom of Vermont Town Line. The site inspection will be held on Thursday, August 1st at 445, which will begin at the Stamford Elementary School. So, and then after that site visit, we'll do a public hearing the same day, Thursday, August 1st, 530 at the town office. A couple of things in there. Do you think if we're meeting here at the school at 445, we can get up and do the site inspection and then back down here for 530? Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** Are you just going to look at it or are people going to want to walk? Yes.

**Speaker 6:** Are we walking it?

**Speaker 1:** Are we driving it?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'm suggesting that if it really has an issue, they should probably take a look at it for now.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Now, do we know at this point three is the exact mile? It says approximately, don't it? Well, when you discontinue, you need a little bit more. Approximately. The state girl we dealt with a couple of years ago, she was, well, does it go to the front door of the house? Whatever we say, that's what it is.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Okay. I'm not sure it's going to be right. I mean, who else would, the state girl that walked there, measure?

**Speaker 13:** She does it all on computer.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, there you go.

**Speaker 19:** If we're wrong, she can let us know.

**Speaker 6:** It says approximately 23 miles to the town hall. We can't measure a whole, so how do we measure it?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, does it begin at trail number 301? Do we know that? It does.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yes.

That's the end of this convention. Okay. 301 goes out to Sucker. Right.

**Speaker 1:** Here. Now, so you say 445, do you want to meet here, or do you want to meet on top of County Road?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think, I mean, I think it's perfect the way it says it, and anybody that doesn't know where it is, shame on them. You know? It's very reality. This is not a big deal. Right. If you got, like Dave said, if you got real concern about this 23 miles rock, by all means, go up there and walk it, and make a big deal out of it. Well, the state's going to make a big deal out of it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They want to know. I know.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What can they do? What can they say? We measured it with our tape measure. You go over that with your car and my car, we're going to get a different reading. You're going to go, ba-boom, ba-boom. Oh, the up and down? And I'm just going to go this way. The state's not driving through here. It's a trail. It's already a trail. It's a cheap trail.

**Speaker 1:** If we can clearly identify it, it's okay. But if they don't clearly, clearly identify it, they can make a survey here. That's why it matters.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'll drive off with my vehicle. I'll type up my own down there, or at least from here to there, how's that? Okay. I'll stand by my reading.

**Speaker 6:** They can make a statement. I'll get the benefit at that minute. Right.

If they want us to be connected to the state, they can do that. So once again,

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** to answer Laurie's question, are we going to meet here at quarter to five, or up there?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, if someone doesn't know how to get there, they probably want to meet here, so we probably won't.

**Speaker 20:** I'd be very surprised if nobody knows where it is.

**Speaker 11:** Is this where the high line actually crosses, or you're down farther, we'll risk you entering, for example?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** The right path, or the detention line. Right. Right at the detention line, that's where they want to connect to Sucker Pond Road. So that's the 301. And 302 is the other one. And they want to go down, Sucker Pond,

**Speaker 21:** they want to make it a connecting path.

**Speaker 7:** Yeah, you're not driving there with any, like, normal vehicle. They need to take a pickup,

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** but if you've got mud boards, they're coming off. Yeah, I wouldn't want to go that way. But no, it's a jeep trail. And it's a slow jeep trail.

**Speaker 7:** Yeah, you're not going fast, you're crawling. You'd probably walk faster. There's no use studying, yeah,

**Speaker 21:** unless you're on a four-wheel.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** There's no water, there's no culverts, it's just rock. It's really not maintainable as a road. No, you couldn't, I mean,

**Speaker 7:** what do you do, take the radar over it? No, that would need serious work to bring it back to the equal standards.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, so beginning at the intersection of the current Bassett Trail number 301.

**Speaker 22:** Does the Bassett Trail 301 exist

**Speaker 1:** right there? There's a sign on the wall.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** There's a National Forest sign

**Speaker 23:** that says PR 301. So I don't know if it's a National Bassett

**Speaker 3:** Trail 301 or National Forest.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I think it's National Forest. I don't think they designated it as Bassett at this point. That's what these people came up with. Because National Forest didn't come up at all for what I wish.

**Speaker 24:** It's just that ending.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** When they were pushing the four-wheelers and ATVs a couple of years ago, you know, National Forest came right in and stuck a pond trail down the old one for years. I don't agree with them. They said there's a lot of erosion, but it always I don't think it was there like yesterday. It was there four years ago. Whether you drive a Jeep and pick up up there or dirt bikes or four-wheelers, it's always been like that. It's never been a nice trail. At least more of their public awareness. Regardless of the NASA

**Speaker 3:** issue with that section of road, I think it's an investment. It's not just for the town. I have a little trail. I would want to do this regardless.

**Speaker 1:** Should we say something in this notice that the point of going up there is to reconsider the classification of it? Because we don't really get any reason why we're doing this.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, we can do that. As part of the reclassification, we've got the checklist.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I don't see anybody complaining about it. No one lives there. You're not going there. It's natural force on both sides? I think so. We're not giving it up. It's still going to be a public, regular one. There's natural force on both sides

**Speaker 23:** so there's nothing going to be developed.

**Speaker 3:** Really, it just defines the level of maintenance as far as the town is concerned along there. And we're responsible for it. It makes it so we're not responsible

**Speaker 7:** for any liability. Which is a good thing considering the shape of the road. What we're tethered to. It's always been that. In my lifetime. I've never seen it.

**Speaker 25:** When we first moved up here,

**Speaker 11:** we could take a Honda CR-V and drive right through to Bennington without a problem. And I'm talking 24 years. Well, you're a lot older. Yeah, I know.

I know I don't look it. Back over here. We've been up about 25 years. The Selectmen did have a camp

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** at the end of Risky Ranch. And we said, oh, let's go through. We went all the way through, up the road, but we were thinking, how are we going to open these doors

if we can't get out? We're going to have to crawl through windows. And the banks were above the door. The last post stop. Oh, we just thought it would be fun to go through. For a while, the GPS would send people home. From the Albany side, from Miami, they'd send them over over the connector

**Speaker 26:** to the town hall. And there was one guy in a cab that got stuck. And I called his dispatcher to see if he didn't have... Because I had to go and bring my Subaru as far as it would go. And then we had to hike 30 minutes, collect the people, come back to the house.

And I had to call the cab company and tell them,

**Speaker 26:** I'm like, you're not out of here. There's no cell service.

So you've got to go get them or you're going to have to get lucky tomorrow morning. It's amazing how GPS

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** maps out an area that was best for a wagon. Two years ago, a steel truck, was delivering it. They left there and that's where they were sent. They got past Ritchford Ranch and out to Broad Brook and that's as far as they got. They called one of the... My buddies called me and said, hey, that's why you're not getting a delivery today. I said, well, it sounds like we could call a tow truck.

**Speaker 27:** Yeah.

**Speaker 4:** I put a laundry mat out there. I think I'm lost. This is the way to the laundry mat.

**Speaker 28:** Yep, you're lost.

Yeah, they used to call here and say, no, no, no,

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** don't have to do that. Your GPS is wrong.

**Speaker 1:** So are we all set on this? Well, I need to provide 30 days notice, which is fine. I can get letters and information out by July 1st. We must give notice to the planning commission. We must post it in the town office. We must publish it in the Berkshire Eagle. We must send a certified mail notice to all the owners and landowners which I believe is just National Forest. We must notify the commissioner of Forest Parks and Recreation and we must send a certified mail notice to all the owners and landowners which I believe is just National Forest. We should send a certified mail notice to our local local development for recreational recreation for the state of Vermont. When we did our ancient road stuff we chose to give notice to zoning administrator to our assessor and to all of the local riding interest groups. We sent one to Woodford Snow Busters and Bennington Trail Cruisers. I don't know if you wanted to do all that. I don't think you need to.

**Speaker 29:** Assessor? No. Serves any purpose? No. Zoning administrator? No, just the ones that we have.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Anything else on roads, Dave, you good? Recycling. Emergency management. We had, first Bob gave us, or Bob or Bill gave us, the funding application. There's like three parts. Funding application, self-certification, and payment requests. There's three parts to this one.

**Speaker 30:** Let's draw it up. Oh, what'd I say? Oh, sorry.

**Speaker 9:** Well, it's fine. Oh, yeah, that's right.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, let's go back to emergency management. Sorry, do you have anything?

**Speaker 11:** I have nothing for emergency management.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. We're going to try it out. Well, we have to deem it binary. So, I know last time you said you were going to get a policy, and I emailed you the other day, and you quickly responded. There's probably more than we want to do for a policy. Some of them are in debt. And I haven't sent them on to the rest of the board. But, as far as this funding application. Okay. It says, I'm requesting funding for the following project. Installation of conduit at home address. I would like to just change it to connection, because some people probably couldn't afford, well, the DV fibers coming to their house, not with conduit. But then, once they get the house, they've got to run that wire way over to the other part of the cellar or wherever, and that's a charge, from what I've heard.

**Speaker 9:** More than 25 feet.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. So, should we just put something in there just for the installation of connection?

**Speaker 9:** Assistance with connection costs, or something like that.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. And then it would cover both the...

**Speaker 9:** It would cover anybody. Yeah. That needs it. That needs it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Over there. Connection cost. Yeah.

**Speaker 9:** And if it's more than 400 feet, and we put it on private poles or something like that, there's an additional cost for the fire worship. So, I think the way you narrowed it down and made it more broad is... Yeah. Okay.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And so, how are we going to allocate this money? First come, first serve?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, I thought we had a number of, not names, but a number of people. And if that number of people, I believe you said it was either seven or ten. That's people that are waiting on underground conduits. Okay. Not necessarily qualified for it. Or even want it.

**Speaker 9:** Qualification, we don't know that. Yeah. Okay. There's probably 400 houses, 911 addresses in the town. And I believe DB Fiber is about 45% of those places that have got connections. But what we know is that these are just coming out of the back of this pole bag. So, it could be an underground conduit that they need. Yeah. That they need assistance with. It could be, like Nancy said, it could be an extension of the wire. It could be just paying the first month's bill or something like that. You know, if we have an underserved person that can't really afford it, you know, maybe get them started a little bit. I don't know. It's up to you guys how you want to do it. But $7,500 really isn't going to go to the fire. No.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right. I think if we, say we send a number, $500 per person, no matter what they need it for, if they qualify. I don't know how you can get to the top of it.

**Speaker 9:** They have to sell it. Checklist. Sell the checklist. Go through that, go through that, sell the checklist. But if they don't need $500, then they only need $100.

**Speaker 31:** Well, you just go up to it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And then you throw it back in the hat. And then when it's gone, you decide what you want to do. If you're going to add money or just say that's it. I don't think it should be forever. But I don't know what number that would be. I mean, that's a big deal. We're just trying to get ahead of this.

**Speaker 9:** We've got most of the talent connected already without any of this. Right. I wouldn't think that $500 is a lot of money to put a conduit in or anything like that. That seems like it would be more than that. It's a hell. Right. But I mean, if you make it too small of a model, you're going to have that money

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** in there forever. Right. Yeah. That's all. I like what you said off the top of my head. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

**Speaker 6:** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think it's even worth it to get it on there forever? Just five 100.

**Speaker 19:** Try it?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, it's $500 or more. See how long it goes. If we go a year or two if it's not like used, nobody's holding up anymore. And we'll have to decide what else to do. Okay. And how are we determining it. You said the self checklist.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** There's a self checklist. But say we have a hundred people signing up for it. How do we.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're out of money. We're out of money.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. So it's the first the names in the maintaining that you can Guthrie But maybe you should you know, if we have 100.

**Speaker 9:** Yeah. Yeah. you have a some sort of a deadline for for folks to submit the request yeah the way i understand this works is the homeowner will pay the bill or or the db5 will pay the bill for the homeowner with the seven five hundred dollars that those pay whatever amount it is that you choose five hundred dollars or whatever for the community the db5 has already got the money right right so but it's going to be they'll pay the contractor or whoever maybe homes are there 400

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** say 400 yeah but i think we've got we've got 400 more things yeah and he said about 158

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** customers have signed up four more customers need a conduit but i don't

**Speaker 32:** know four more customers and you don't know how many so yeah so i think i think you guys

**Speaker 9:** are on my track for saying up to 500 and the homeowner would need to submit requests was it just the 7500 did they receive a matching amount they used that they used the matching amount for the build so they they took the matching amount from not brought in people but this community got higher to the home at no cost well pretty much yeah right yeah that's that's a huge yeah yeah and we're not we're not strangled by uh a cable company that's gonna squeeze every penny on us yeah and this thing here was a good

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** thing well we're trying to do a good thing it runs out of the side of the club yeah

**Speaker 6:** good i think the sense that we're probably going on the more money than we're gonna do i was just trying to believe i believe we could i mean if it was a hot commodity i think we could use our funds for that as well yeah well we would want to but i think we could we could

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** um okay so yeah so there's just if if you got 50 you said 45 percent of the homes 50 would be around 200 homes left if everybody took 500 bucks that's only 10 000. and not every so i think if we went 500 we're right in the ballgame you know half of that you know if only 100 homes which i yell 100 homes are going to qualify right self-qualified some of the self

**Speaker 31:** qualifying i'm saying you work 500 bucks yeah i'm not qualifying 250 or 200 or 500. yeah 500.

**Speaker 9:** is it

**Speaker 31:** yeah sorry i think you're on the right track i think at least it's something to start with

**Speaker 9:** yeah and if the money doesn't go and somebody comes up that needs a lot of money then maybe you guys can reassess and make a determination on that could it also go for say like training for people that don't know how to use the internet older people it should be for connections but if there's there's people that need to say there's leftover at the end we're all connected youtube videos can do an awful lot yeah that's true you know how to get out there and if you're looking at the right one you can't get it on the internet how do you get on youtube i know youtube puts at least 20 extra pounds

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i don't know who's going to be the best are we putting it in the hat what are we doing

**Speaker 7:** good question john yes if someone fills us all out where does it go back to laurie where's where's this so after it's filled out submit it to me it's here so we decided and then who decides we're here on something else

**Speaker 33:** you decide or do you put it in the hat and pick take out the people

**Speaker 9:** did you tell db piper that you're going to give this model one to this president

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** for this stuff yeah but how do we determine if the president is going to qualify

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** make sure that that's what it's right i think we should look at it because somebody could falsify it you know there's going to be different people not i don't believe in this town but maybe there could be someone that says i need it and they clearly don't know that or they don't live in the town we have to care about

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** just make sure everything's probably fine i understand that i may be deemed ineligible

**Speaker 34:** right for any funds so we can't just put it in the hat we got to look at it we can do

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** it in a consensual session if you want okay start working on this and proceed is that okay delinquent dog update luke called today and he said that all dog letters will be going out tomorrow i don't know how many you send me out probably you have last time 30. seed sabers response i'll have a copy of the letter response uh the beds are being used by somebody but we don't know this is from howell field she doesn't know who so i'm not going to clear out the beds and maybe between the town and the school you can figure out if the teachers are using the beds or town people are using the beds been in seat savers for several years they were dissolved several years ago as far as the beds that aren't being used i would highly recommend sending out an email that says anybody that wants good compost can come down and build a truck good compost otherwise when you're tearing up the tennis court and tearing down the shed you can just work it into the dirt there are several blueberry bushes there that also belong to the town all of this belongs to the town so you have the right to do whatever you want with it and i hope people will either start using the beds again or relaxing compost because i notice that there are now many people in new garden heads raised beds in the yard especially a long time ago so maybe sending out a notice to everybody so when you come down and throw the truck the compost will be healthy feel free to call me if you want my

**Speaker 33:** um

you

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** know it'd be kind of good knowing who's down there when they're down there and knowing the rules and when the school's opening up and that that's my concern the other thing would be is if they're all the schools at first they're saying we'll come get the tools and then throw off all the good stuff and then leave your other stuff behind so that's happening

**Speaker 8:** but nevertheless it's over you know what you gotta do if you want the dirt

**Speaker 4:** the dirt someone might want that yeah i don't know last week was the last day of the program and i started talking with some of the teachers who also came in and then as they're in tourяс county hearing and them concerned for our community they次 thebeaters there's really been a lot of talk you know there's a lot of folks coming in through our program we will make sure and i want you to think about that as well the words of the teacher eater normal chinese the teachers have got right i don't think it would be a horrible idea we could rip the fence down cover over the majority of the black top or leave that for care instead of putting money in the little care now but right now it's in pretty good shape

**Speaker 7:** yeah so why not when you bring those back up to the school and the kids are probably using that

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** so probably outside the fence so aren't they no they're inside

**Speaker 6:** i don't really tell you does it look away and over the shed and there's a water tank down there

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** i would suggest leaving the blueberry bushes right where they are somebody might

**Speaker 4:** and if they got tons of blueberries

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** so are we doing this

**Speaker 7:** the ultimate game plan is like carry the fence down at some point

**Speaker 4:** up this is my idea i'll just get a roll off brought down there up and down the escalator and take all that fence down real fast and put it in the roll off and then truck into some loads of top soil and cover it over see it and then it'll be good cover yeah leave a little part where the pavilion is for now on the black tops because that's in decent shape can you bust it up a little more until it's over just cover it the black top i'll just cover it if you're in the black tops or have a few of them

**Speaker 7:** i think we take it up and you got to get rid of it

**Speaker 35:** and then

**Speaker 7:** i was thinking where you should like leave it

just crush it and cover it

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** so should we put something in the minutes if anybody wants compost or anything from just say compost because we don't want to say take anything because they might take the shed leave the compost there we'll use it out

**Speaker 4:** leave the compost there we'll use it out

**Speaker 8:** my question is do you want people driving

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** yeah

**Speaker 7:** yeah

yeah yeah yeah

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** yeah

yeah

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah yeah

**Speaker 3:** yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah yeah yeah

**Speaker 4:** yeah yeah yeah it's going to be a good thing to bring in here

**Speaker 36:** Do you want me to do that?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Sounds good. I'll let you down. Keep that bank down a few more times.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Tax anticipation loan, what do we got?

**Speaker 1:** So I did reach out to Adams Community Bank and they said they can touch Berkshire Bank's rate. They couldn't even come close to it. Their rates were even higher than what they quoted us just in the time from when they did it and when I was asking. So I went to Berkshire Bank, Nancy came in and signed a life away and.

How much? And I'm going to put in the town account today. All right. So we're good. So we're good. Yeah. Correspondence, Laurie. I don't have any correspondence.

**Speaker 14:** Old business.

**Speaker 6:** Old business, I guess I had a resident approach me at the dump asking if we could get state police to patrol on the highway once. Okay. So typical stuff.

**Speaker 1:** Oh, and they have four wheelers working. No, he was just talking to state highway officers.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So I guess I wasn't going to bring anything up but now that you do. Yeah. Well. I do understand that some residents see you at the dump, see you at the Domas, call you on the phone. That happens to me too. But I wish that we could get into minutes that, if the residents have concerns, to either write a letter if they're afraid to talk in public, because some people are. I understand that. But come to meetings. Yeah. And we give five plus minutes. And when I say plus, that's a big plus, right? Everybody who, we've never ever said people can't talk. Matter of fact, we've had people that said they couldn't talk and we put them on the agenda just so they had a platform in the past. So I think this meeting, although it's not run Robert's rules, it is run that the freedom of speech is very, very open. So I would like people to do that and know that this is a select board of five people. Right. So each one of us can never make a decision. We can't. I know that people have their favorites and they want to call on their friends and all that, but I'd like the minutes to know that we, you know, we're doing our best. We seem to be running the town pretty good, I think. But if you have residents like that, you know, I'd like to see them here. I'd like to see, we get the same people all the time. Not that I don't like seeing people here. But we do get the same people all the time. And if, you know, if someone's got a concern, unless it's a dire need where, you know. Oh, it's a little late. Yeah, yeah. And just like you said before about law enforcement, you can call State Troopers. I'll call them tomorrow, okay. And they're going to tell me they're down seven men, okay. That's what they tell me all the time. We have three officers for a million miles and blah, blah, blah. They're not going to spend their time here unless it's urgent. They might once a year show up. And the minute they do, they're going to walk on your road and you're going to say, how come I didn't see him on my road? All right. That's what the sheriff has to start from then through the sheriff. But I just want to make sure that people understand that, you know, if this meeting, and the other thing I want to say is this setup we have here is difficult. You can't see people sitting over there. Right. Right. So when they're raising their hand and they're raising their hand, they don't know, so they keep talking. And this person over here is a second hand up and they can't see him. So they keep talking. And it's hard. And I understand that the chair has a tough time sometimes, especially when it's busy. So, you know, as far as I'm concerned, this is almost a volunteer job. And the other thing I want to say, and I'm not trying to scold anybody, but I said this years ago, the slight board meeting is a meeting for the slight board in the public. You guys don't, we're not pulling fast ones on anybody. It's not for the public. It's not your meeting. It's ours meeting. It doesn't matter if you went to the school board meeting or the planning board meeting. They give so much time for the public to talk. This meeting allows a lot more talk than the school board or the planning board. Not that they don't run their meetings good. I'm just saying it's definitely more, you're more able, there's more time here to voice your opinions at any time. So I just want to let you know.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, I'd like to make a comment on the state police. Not only the four wheelers, but the speeders that are going, from past our houses, your house too. I mean, you can hear them going, coming down the mountain, all the way down to the, oh, I've got to take it.

**Speaker 6:** You know, the state troopers live right at the top of the mountain. No. I don't know if that deep down, in all honesty, that's a terrible problem.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, could we call the state police and just say, can you have some presence down here?

**Speaker 34:** I'll send an email tomorrow.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'll send an email tomorrow. I've got a contact.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And I'm sure, you know, if somebody sees the state police, they're going to call their friends. They're going to say, slow down, the state police are in town.

**Speaker 33:** But at least there's no consistency there.

**Speaker 7:** It's more for the people that are not a resident. Those other guys, well, I mean, some of them do speed through town. But any time I'm getting passed on a double line, it's a mass plate, you know.

**Speaker 21:** Yeah.

**Speaker 7:** I mean, like I said, I've been passed on these roads, you know.

I've been passed in the village. We're coming out of the village now. If Doug is driving slowly now, I'm not going to go past Doug. I'm going to wait on him. If he does the same thing, I'm going to wait on him. All right? All right. Excuse me.

**Speaker 7:** It's not a state police do an exam about this. Oh, it's a public college. School buildings, the public college.

No problem . It's all limited resources. It's a lifestyle. It is. Yep. Yeah. I'm working on getting a hat and shirts or a lifestyle or a comp stand or something.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, that's all merge. If you can email, I'd appreciate it. I hate to be, you know, giving credit with quotes, but years ago, they didn't. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. Right. said you all we all got to live here every one of us you know smile once a while wave to your neighbors help your neighbor out there we got to do that work you got to stop being like the rest

**Speaker 34:** of the nation where we're yeah at each other's services we don't agree on everything but you

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** still wait and i've said this for many many many many many years and we don't well we see our neighbor and all that stuff but we're not there in their face but if they need help we're there right and what did we notice today something i noticed today something wasn't right somebody was walking oh hmm what's that with walking something's not right and it wasn't but you know your routine and i said yep okay uh what else under oldest john was something that sign

**Speaker 7:** uh last meeting i brought up a sign i wanted to try to accommodate the town for a sign up that met the current zoning bylaws and i know everybody some people feel that the town shouldn't follow the zoning bylaws they are exempt or try to be exempt but i feel like it's a small town you should lead by example and if we move forward with a sign i feel like we should put a sign up that um goes by the current zoning bylaws so whatever we need to do i mean obviously we need a sign you drive by there's no sign to use the bushes right now are overwhelming

**Speaker 37:** the teepee sign that are out there so what happened yes lori i while i was on vacation last

**Speaker 1:** week fema decided to send a representative from burlington down to view the guardrails that need to be replaced unbeknownst to any of us and he drove back and forth and back and forth and all around and his gps said he was here but he didn't see anything and he finally did pull into the school and one of the teachers went out and he was talking about fema and they rooted into ted burchard's house on colony road thinking it was being a buyout i mean it was just a mess from every angle he ended up going all the way back burlington for nothing but he didn't he didn't schedule an appointment either but without a sign it it was a problem wasn't too much college

**Speaker 26:** wasn't there a plan to you were going to show up at the next planning board yeah i have one yes yes

**Speaker 38:** the first yeah yeah what's the next planning board so i can but john there's this talking

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** different which i am i'll respect them either way i don't know

**Speaker 21:** but again i'm at a point where i'm i'm exhausted yeah but at the same time we're in charge of the

**Speaker 7:** town and we're closing you know no i i agree 100 i agree so either we go to the planning board and ask them to put a sign up yeah that accommodates or ask them to change the rules so we put a bigger sign up but if that's the case then it should be accommodated so everybody can put up the same stuff as signs we ask is how i feel about it right if we did let's just go two ways if we go

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** to the bylaws now the sign is down we need to go through deb and we need to get a a model of the sign that we want say okay this is what will this be approved then once they say yes then we can go and have a design and build all right so they're going to modify an existing sign

**Speaker 31:** which that's important if we're going to go into the landscape the whole landscape will have to be

**Speaker 39:** moving as well what it's too close to the road yeah that was a nice question what is the the

**Speaker 21:** distance that we're supposed to be off so our old sign was always too close to the road they took

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** the the old sign down and put the new sign up farther away was my understanding a couple feet then it either was farther away or at the exact same place and i was this is all hearsay that we can't go any farther because there's a well there but that well is a pretty pretty woman why can't we yeah and the old sign didn't even have to cement so i mean i don't see whatever it is that we do i just

**Speaker 7:** feel like it should be so there's no issues down there like once we do it we don't want to have

**Speaker 40:** house conversation again i have no idea how far

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** someone's going to fall or 10 foot i guess so let's just if it was 24 you put it that far back

**Speaker 7:** we want to do the three by four or whatever keep the same size of it like you brought up last week we could have the sign two signs and keep them on a half inch apart right but we do have we have a model yeah and then we have another big sign

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** or whatever yeah in order to fall within the bylaw bylaws that we have we take and we say okay this is what we're doing we're doing three by four if if you have to have two signs i mean what

**Speaker 21:** three by four signs up that's up you know i just keep my point across enough like whatever we do it's got to be done right so it's not yep the other thing is and here's where i do disagree

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** is that i do believe when i read that law from the state that municipalities for the good of the municipality are exempt now i'm i don't want to debate it you're probably correct well we've already we've already talked about it that's what i want to go through the board and say this is in the state law this is what i'm feeling if they say no it's no and then we but i have no problem going either way i agree that when we get to we go this way or this way we get the same place where there is a sign that makes sense doesn't it

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** matter now the other thing is too with the flowers everybody's got flowers in the town and stayed

**Speaker 41:** right away well that's not part of it i don't think they need they're just not thinking they're

**Speaker 6:** going to grow up to the height where you're not going to see a sign that's behind them

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** right yeah i mean that's yeah

**Speaker 24:** I will go to that meeting still. I mean, I feel that it probably would be useless and I probably won't get it to her, but if we have, if we have those, if we go to AO and say, look, here's our sign, this is what it's going to say.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We're going to put three of them on, two of them on, five of them on. How many can we put up? Can we just keep putting a row of signs up? I mean, seriously, is that a loophole in the bylaws?

**Speaker 6:** We don't want to set that up.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You know, I mean, actually, one of the planning board members said that.

**Speaker 6:** We just need to have more information on the bylaws. We're over-setting that if we're, you know, we're following the bylaws, and then everyone's going to say, oh, I have a poor sign, though. Following the loophole. Right, yeah. Oh. Well, let's just get, let's just go to that one, you know. Who's going to mock up the sign?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, yeah. I don't know what you want to do. Yeah, you want to mock it up?

**Speaker 7:** What do we want? It's got to be a three-by-four piece of plywood, and what are we going to put on it? Could we just use the old town of Stamford for this pattern? For giggles? Town of Stamford.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Could we use the old sign? We still have that. Could we just cut it down a little bit and modify it?

**Speaker 6:** I don't think we should.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Wait, Bob.

**Speaker 6:** Sheila, do you have the sign?

**Speaker 14:** Do you agree you could read that old sign coming up and down the road because it was perpendicular? If you take off the Vermont, it fits in with the 12 square feet.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Don't know. I haven't seen that sign in over two years.

**Speaker 14:** I have. I saw it today.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, that doesn't mean anything to me.

**Speaker 14:** Well, I measured it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That doesn't mean anything to me.

**Speaker 42:** I mean, I think that the sign, the old sign.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, if you want to bring it back to the town and we can measure it, that'd be fine with me. I think that the camaraderie of the town that I was talking about five years ago, both the old signs need to go away. Right. That's what I mean. I mean, if you want to bring the old sign back in and. They need to go home.

**Speaker 7:** And, yeah, I mean, at this point, it's too late. Well, it should be, the sign is information, so we want to say, what is this place? Is it a school?

Is it a town office?

**Speaker 7:** What is it? It's all of it. State of the town office. So.

**Speaker 6:** School, town office, whatever it might be.

I don't know, whatever, school. 986 Main Road. That's not there. Is that the number? It's not that far. Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I see. And it has to be, I agree with Sheila, that it has to be this way and not this way. Yeah. I mean, you've got to read it both ways.

**Speaker 40:** It's got to be a two-sided sign.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, because I don't, and if you've got to put it farther back, it's going to be even worse than where it was.

**Speaker 14:** Bob had a question.

**Speaker 9:** Could I suggest that, at the very least, the town put a road sign up that says town offices, just one of the entrances to the, to the thing, a simple. Kind of like the library sign that's out there. Yeah, the whole, with the green sign on it, says town offices, like Mill Road or something like that.

**Speaker 11:** I don't know. I don't know. The library sign out there, and you've got to have like three signs, as long as they all fit within the. Sign. Size requirement. Right. Put them on one, well, you'd have to have them on both sides. Right. But it would be a smaller thing that people can, you know, I mean, if people look at that library sign, and they don't know what it is, well, that's their problem.

**Speaker 4:** The thing is, it has to be a certain size, and it has to be that high intensity. Anything in the right way that's a street sign like that has to follow it. Right.

**Speaker 36:** That kind of PCB.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, I think, let's make it simple for now. Let's look at, see if we can come up with some kind of piece of cardboard. And we can. Sketch it off. Sketch it off and say, what do you think? And then we can say, get some ideas and say, well, I like this, but we can add this, take this off, whatever. But like you said, if it says Town of Stamford, big letters, it'll slow the FEMA guy down. And then you can see it and say, okay, well, this is.

**Speaker 6:** Maybe we can make the main sign just as says Town of Stamford, slightly smaller, so then we can. Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We can name it. I was on vacation the other day. I saw one with a straight pole. It had over 100 signs on it. So that was kind of cool. It looked like more of a pole. That's what I said. We are excited. I don't really know how you miss the building, but that's just. Yeah.

**Speaker 7:** Everything today is electronic. So if you're like type in Stamford school or Stamford town office, give you the number. Go with a big green square. Go.

**Speaker 9:** It'll take you right where you got to. Right.

**Speaker 7:** You know? Yeah. Or, I mean. Yeah. Let's just. All a bunch of. You don't have to be perfect. Because then we're going to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

**Speaker 43:** Yeah.

**Speaker 6:** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm.

**Speaker 1:** And, also, I've been researching other towns. We may have to just put a sentence in our bylaws. Yeah. Just to be that simple.

**Speaker 44:** I think.

**Speaker 1:** We waste so much time.

**Speaker 6:** Maybe. So maybe the laws are put in place because of things like this. Right. I don't know. Well. Maybe not.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** like i tried to use an example before if you have a school that you can't put the sign anywhere else it has to be too close if you have a school and it's for the good of the bus drivers if that's what that law is for but if you have a you know a safety thing if you want it bigger

**Speaker 19:** that's what that sign is for you want a big sign it says you know so the sign i'm sure over the

**Speaker 6:** years i'll put where it was because it was the most visually aesthetic ecstatically you know pleasing places whatever i wanted to see it it wasn't like anything you see

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** it goes into towns in vermont you see town of dover on the side of their building fire department it's one letter just face one letter wouldn't fit you know so they're exempt their bylaws don't say

**Speaker 26:** everybody can do that right but it can't hurt to just put in the bylaws of the municipality just can't hurt

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** and it was one thing to cover yeah again i i really i have no personal thing involved in this where i care which way it goes at the end of the day i agreed it and i think we all agreed we need

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** to sign it so put this sign up or let's look at the sign because it's going to take a while for that statement to get in the zoning bylaws and get approved so right in the meantime let's have something there i'm just going to buy something

**Speaker 6:** i can draw right i got anybody

**Speaker 7:** and then you throw two coats on the side of it does that change the you know what i mean

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** that's a good question for the planning board i don't think so i think the sign is an actual sign and what holds it up it's not part right so yeah just don't want to get it

**Speaker 1:** it's a zoning right that's the zoning that's the eo

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** right hat's the zoning so for the zin area the zin area is board that information is going to help tr Porklyn's District 3 where we'll see you all right that's a new committee meeting call and maybe you will get that in the parking lot if they use that this is not we'll be, so you're going to also, i think if... than we can schedule a car camping park while in the parking lot it's gonna call at five or 10. of the parking lot i'd want to be a part, You know, see, when I, we had a store in North Adams, and the mayor came in and he changed the mayor's name. He said, I want all the signs to hang. And we had to put a pole in from the building out over the sidewalk, and then hang the sign off of it. And that pole wasn't part of our sign. It was just a measurement of the sign. Five years after that, he changed his mind, he wanted everybody to put the signs on the building. So that had to come down, we had to move by then to another facility, but everybody had to take them off and put them a different way. And you wouldn't think it's that hard, but the insurance company sure does, because you can't hang them over the sidewalk without a special insurance.

**Speaker 6:** I was just saying, he was going after the old school nostalgic look.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** He was, yeah, he was, yeah. I mean, I'd put a four by four half inch wall of poop in. It was 12 foot long, out of this attic of the building, and hung it out four foot, five foot. So the rest of it was in there with jacks, front of the jacks. You could have jacked a truck mower out of it. We tore the building down now, so a modern studio should have had some money.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay, so you'll try to have something for next meeting?

**Speaker 7:** Yeah, just a square piece of wood, I guess.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Four by eight?

**Speaker 7:** Three by four.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Not four by eight.

**Speaker 7:** Three by four. Four by four. Do you want me to letter it, or do you want me to single it?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You're going to have to do some kind of small letter. Yeah, you're going to have to move around. It is a lot of letters, that's the fact. A lot of, you know, home of Stamford, that's a lot of letters.

**Speaker 6:** This thing's a magnetic board, but I don't know what to do with the letters.

**Speaker 26:** You just say Stamford. You just say Stamford. Stamps school and lettering.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Right, right, right, right. I think, I'm not going to guarantee it, but I think I have one of my guys who can do it on a computer, too, and he can mine it up and show it. We just built a bronze plank, and we did that, and mined it up.

**Speaker 34:** Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That'd be great.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We could kind of show it, bring it down to a small size, and that's what it would look like from a big size. I think we could do that. The easiest way is just to have a bunch of them in, like, street signs,

**Speaker 3:** and then put them on our own posts.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** That's what I was saying.

**Speaker 3:** Right, they're all individual. You can order them.

**Speaker 1:** Or Nancy suggested putting them up. Yeah, putting them all in buildings, I think that's it.

**Speaker 11:** It won't be super expensive. Yeah, a library. It's going to be each side, and within the... You've got to have town with Stamford on the first one,

**Speaker 45:** and then you have town office, library, school.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Something like that, double-sided.

**Speaker 3:** And it's going to be temporary anyways. Yep. It probably won't cost you $400.

**Speaker 14:** Sheila, the other one was just four boards. It had Stamford establish the date, and the next board said town office, and the next one library. And the next one is school. And then they have to board them from one to each, and you don't . But didn't we learn that that one was also a street sign? No, it would fit in without the .

Aha.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But I agree with Kurt right now, and both the signs are...

**Speaker 27:** It's just a set of, both the signs are voiceless at this point.

**Speaker 3:** Yeah. Okay. It's just a street sign. I don't know if you have to add it, like they'll be big. Just a thought. If you have the street sign. You're a tech.

**Speaker 4:** You could put it out . Just like the library one. Oh. It's a road sign, right? I don't have to play games like you guys have to play games

to put up the street sign. Right. But. That's kind of our result.

**Speaker 7:** Yeah.

**Speaker 3:** It just.

**Speaker 7:** Yeah, it was kind of .

**Speaker 46:** Yeah, it was temporary.

**Speaker 3:** Yeah. Yeah, it was . Just a thought. Nobody will have to make anything. You can just order it, and it'll come in, and you walk in, and it'll look professional. John, you brought it up.

**Speaker 27:** You run with it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** What's that? You brought it up. The sign? Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. So I could own it. Well, we'll look at it. Yeah, let's look at it a couple times.

**Speaker 7:** 3x4, Sanford School, town office, and library. Yeah.

**Speaker 40:** See what that one says?

**Speaker 7:** Yeah. We'll come up with a sign. Short and sweet and to the point. Right. Don't get lost. Let me tell you something.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I'd really like to see anything at this point. Yeah. You know what I mean? You could put a chalkboard out there. Or an umbrella over it, or something like that.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** OK.

**Speaker 7:** We should utilize that. What is that big electronic square thing? Out there? Yeah. We should utilize that. Power. No power? No. Yeah. We could put a stamp of school on it. I agree with that. I agree with that one. Yeah. They would have got that thing that was sort of past the wall

or something like that. 3x4, 1x2 is a little bit smaller. I don't like that color. I can't see it. I don't know why.

**Speaker 26:** But I mean, I didn't know who was jumping last week.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Oh, don't worry.

**Speaker 47:** Yeah.

**Speaker 48:** I mean. Yeah. I just didn't like it. I don't know. It does have a lot of use. It's the only way that you could have everybody under the sun get everything they want. Right. You weren't serious about that? I was.

**Speaker 7:** It would be nice if there was something that you could, like, say if there was an event going on, manipulate the sign so it could say what was going on. People would always try, hey, what's going on at school? They see all the cards, but they don't know what the hell's going on. You could have saved it for them.

**Speaker 26:** Yeah. That's that one right, you know, that side where you come in.

There's that one there where it says, you know, back to school night, or that one's there. Right. For those of that kind of thing. Is that the school property, though? Because I saw Ray .

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. Yeah. They did.

**Speaker 3:** They care.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** They put letters up for us before. But we can't keep it up in the winter, because Lori's after the final snow bank.

Aw, I'll get you some snow shoes. We could do it together. Oh. Awesome. OK.

**Speaker 1:** Old business done, new business. I don't know if this is old business. I wanted to see if you wanted to talk about having the election set up for new listeners. And I also wanted to see how you wanted to handle your next meeting. You always meet on the first and third Thursdays. The first Thursday is July 4th. I'm not coming. So do you want to skip the first Thursday meeting, all together, and just meet once that month on the 20th? Or do you want to have two meetings, like July 11th and July 18th, back to back?

**Speaker 7:** True. The first one.

**Speaker 1:** Skip.

**Speaker 7:** Two more. Summer recess.

Yeah. Yeah. So July 18th. So skip, yeah, the first one, all together,

**Speaker 1:** and just meet on July 18th. July 3rd, skip. OK. July 11th, or July 4th. So skip your first meeting, and then just have your July 18th meeting.

**Speaker 22:** July 18th meeting.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** OK. All right. Now, Lori brought up about the warning for the town meeting. I don't think Mike is going to like this, because you made the motion. But I'm not in favor of special town meetings because you get a packed audience. And it just seems like the attendance is stacked in favor of it. So we have a people expect town meeting in March, and they all come out. The special town meetings, I don't think a lot of people show up. And then, as Mike has pointed out on many occasions, it's better that we appoint listers instead of elected ones. We can all receive the work that's being done. And right now, an option to the elected listers, couldn't we appoint? We may as well than by 0.3 assessor of district clerks. Or maybe some name, some title. Let them get familiar with working with the software, with our district adviser, Terry, or a tired assessor, or you or two. Because, in the meantime, then we can pay for their training, see if they like it.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** They might not like it even after they're elected. I don't have a problem with that. training part of it after the last meeting after i made the motion then we talked about it some more after it was already passed and we talked about the training and if i i guess i want to make sure that you get on the same page with the training if we appoint the state does not pay for the training

**Speaker 1:** if you appoint someone they have to come with the training already if if a person is elected or you could have you could appoint a couple of assessor clerks like sally is an assessor clerk and then they can be trained for free through the state but if they're not a listener okay they just have to come with the training you know i guess my

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** question would be then is when we say dog training what does the training

**Speaker 1:** entail how much are the papers of all of the training that they have is it and their courses

**Speaker 49:** different courses do you feel it's months days years well i mean they only offer so many courses

**Speaker 1:** every year so you're not going to just become a certified assessor in one year i mean you have level one you have level two you have level three you have level four these are listeners how much do you have to pay to be an assessor right no a mister is elected an assessor is appointed they do the same job it's just a change in the name just a change of a name so if you appointed a couple assessor clerks they would you would still need to have a real but they could be learning the ropes in the meantime they could be beginning to go to the classes they could be learning the software they could be learning what the job entails

**Speaker 50:** so they can be brought on without training if right if you have like an assistant or a clerk

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** working under yeah they could work with john i don't think he would i don't think he would train them right that's like well yeah they're gonna pick up a lot being with them but we don't even have a contract with him correct correct his contract is like um a la carte with nimra right how much do we want to do and pay for or pay them to do we have a state uh district advisor

**Speaker 41:** terry is our maybe once a year complicated this process so much that it's followed by nobody

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** could be and again i think we heard when sally was here a couple weeks ago she said the state may end up taking up doing all this reappraising and all this taxing and

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** assessments themselves so i i don't have a problem either way i disagree a little bit with the company i think if we post the town meeting if you have a interest in it you don't show up shame on you so i don't believe that i believe that any media can be packed the regular comedy yes yes yeah but if you if people are that concerned or you know they have a passion about a certain subject they should show up we make it very plain and we give them all kinds of notice out there but that being said i just want to do the right what's the best thing for the town i do agree with having control because employees i mean we can hire someone and they can take the money and not do anything right right but on the other hand is i was under impression especially with sally calling us that we're not getting anybody to step forward and it was the training that was hanging there now that's what my impression was but it looks like the training is going to hang up either way

**Speaker 50:** for the full-fledged listener yeah but you're saying there's kind of a way around this where

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** we can hire our mother john because we're going to have to if we elect someone they're still going to need to train under someone right so now you've got some election getting paid that doesn't know

**Speaker 6:** their job until they get training okay it turns up by the time we're fully training apparently right so i guess

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** financially it doesn't matter but the main goal is to get rid of or do is the least amount we have to with nimric because they charge a lot of money right so financially that's where i was going i thought it was in our best interest to elect it i don't i i don't want to argue about the town meeting at all that doesn't matter to me what's the best you know if i made the motion and i was under impression it was the education and we

**Speaker 34:** and find group over on that i have no problem going i would like to see the local people

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** working on this i mean you know doing the work on the computer going out on the roads and going oh gee they just put an addition on their house we don't know that but could somebody elected lister say i ran for a lister i know nothing about it and i've been here a long time so we've had

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** it i didn't do that no but i think we've had um the appointed lister as an appointed lister for a i'm going to say at least six seven years now when deb was born she was right that's what i'm saying we changed that at least seven years ago i don't know was it that long let me tell you when when um that's three years nobody remembers you know yeah i think it was back before we had at least a couple years and then we would remember it for a couple of years so yeah i think it was quite a bit of time i mean out of that how many people have stepped forward that out that yet appointed i know the answer zero sally was a lister that's not what i said in the five years we changed that how many people have stepped forward

**Speaker 14:** that's yeah that's in the way of the past i'm talking in the last five years that's when it

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** ended we voted yeah what i'm talking about ending is we went from elected to appointed that was only about five seven seven years ago when deb darwin was a elected lister that's the last elected blister he had that was it that was i thought it was time about let's just say five seven years ago since then no one has stepped forward since we went to a point no zero and so i have no problem trying it again i have no problem i don't think i think sally says we probably won't get anybody to run either because if they're not stepping forward being appointed while they step forward to run

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** you know so i think the running is like well one two and three years we have to do

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** right but i'm just saying but we can't throw one so if you could try it instead of doing the meeting i have no problem whatever way you want to do it what's the best interest of the town try it um you know if jack box can do it so there's one

**Speaker 48:** my suggestion is not saying no the biggest problem with knowing what positions are open is that there's no place to go to say these are the positions our town has the only way anyone knows these things is if when the election time comes because you have to fill out a ballot you know that but before that you really don't know unless you're paying the commitment right unless you're paying the connection that's right you know right what we need to do to get people to come is people need to know so how do we advertise so it needs to go on the top of our sign it is on there is it everything we have i don't know

**Speaker 11:** need things for it i don't know it don't save so much money it don't save so much money so we we're over it but you know if you don't do this set out everything we have i don't know i don't know it'll save so many dollars to do it it'll save so much money

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** always goes lori starts in december saying these are the vacant terms right but i you might if i

**Speaker 48:** don't ever look at the minutes for anything right then i'll never know yeah and if we had a place like say on our town website that said these are the jobs that are involved in our town and then these are the ones we look for then people will know are they on the website that's what the question was so let's do that that's easy i'll go on the front page or something no no i'm just saying that's easy enough though you can have a link that says hey you know like we go here and then i can see like i remember doing the election stuff right there's a page for elections though yeah these are what's going to be open these are what's over now you know a vacant seat yeah because we're making it right next to it right now if we have vacant seats then people will know and i think that's the biggest problem if people don't know yeah yeah that's a good problem

**Speaker 26:** right there and a link that says how to see what it is that the training is and what it is what does it mean to be a lister you know right again if you're not coming here i mean i thought it's

**Speaker 51:** still it's like it's a little mysterious we talked about it a lot i'm still not 100 on the

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** the training part of them i mean it definitely sounded when they first come out that if you know if you're not trained you can't get back that's what i do that's the first part that i know we

**Speaker 38:** can do it while we're hiring you need to get hired or even get appointed you have a bunch of

**Speaker 13:** training right is that right do you want to commit that much exactly do you like it well i don't know

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** if i like that right we're being a slug there's no training and they love kurt's doing it yeah oh see i didn't pick on you guys this time

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** lifelong training so my opinion is just let's go slow can we make a motion to not have an open town meeting but it's the rest of the board i am not going to yell at you don't be nervous no no no

i can't believe you don't agree

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** be careful that's what they give you yeah yeah you should have had negligence all right i'll make a motion that we try the appointing what is it called kirk assessor kirk assessor

**Speaker 50:** assistant

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** i mean what was it before so can we go back to the old way we did it and say there's a uh there's a position in three years two years one year yes and do that too so someone might come here and say i I just want to try it for one year. Right. And then maybe they're still vacant seats and they'll say, I think that's three year one time. Yeah, but they were all three year terms that revolved. I'd be amazed if we got three people showing. Amazed, you know? Because we haven't had anybody yet.

**Speaker 1:** Well, how long is the training, Lori? Depends. Depends. You could have like four years of training if you want to go all the way. But it's not like consistent training, you know, a week here, a week there. Are a lot of these online, or are they online? A lot of them are online. Some of them are in person.

**Speaker 26:** And where are they?

**Speaker 1:** Burlington?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Well, that's another question we're going to have to put down. So we're going to have to say that we're going to have to come up with some kind of job description. So 20 hours a week, or whatever Sally has right now, you put up and say, OK, there's 10 hours a week at $20 an hour, or 20 hours a week at $80. I don't know. I know that that was talked about way back with the numbers. The person wanted to get more. I have no problem giving out raises. I mean, that makes sense. And all the people know what they're doing. My concern was, someone wants to go from $16 an hour to $20 an hour, and they're elected, and they don't do the job. And they don't do the training. And they say, I'm not going to show up. I'm going to put my hours in. You have to pay them that raise. They didn't earn it. That's what I agree with that. Yes. But I mean, I have no problem giving out raises. To me, this town in general pays way too well for everything, for everything. And if you went out there in the private sector and looked at Dave's job, Larry's job, or any of these jobs, they're doing it because they care about the town. Yep. Simple as that. So hopefully, we get a person who cares about the town and wants to do this job. But on the other hand, don't pay them way too much. But we can discuss that more, don't we?

**Speaker 6:** Yes. And that was the thing with all the last listers that Sheila mentioned, for example, was all built in love for the town.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Sure. Sure. But that was before I moved to town. I mean, I don't know how long it's been gone, but it's been over 10 years, 15 years, 15 years. So that's a long time ago that you had someone who wanted to do the job. Right? Mm-hmm. You know, that's a volunteer fire department.

**Speaker 6:** It was more of a community event, too. They were friends, and they got together.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I just read an article, and this guy in the article talked about volunteer fire departments. And he said, I believe that the last volunteer fireman has already been born at this time. I believe that. So think about that. He's been born, and that's it. So the big pool is going to be on the eventually. OK. And now, think about that for this town. Yeah. We just bought a $500,000 truck. Clare Short just bought one and paid more than that. Think about this for a minute. We have no fire department, and now you've got to hire a fire department. You think it's expensive now? Wait.

**Speaker 6:** Yeah, there's definitely something going on culturally where that link has just been disconnected. Everything's got to be for money. Yeah. All about money.

Here's the other thing.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Our contract with Denver is off. After the BCA hearing. So we need to work on a contract with Nimerick. It's like, as he said, an a la carte menu. Do we want him to do this, this, and this? Or is the assessor clerk going to do this, this, and this? Are we going to have our district advisor? I don't know.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** So right now, Sally's our assessor clerk. Yes. If Sally isn't here tomorrow, then can you adopt this issue? I don't know. She just says, hey, I had enough. Yep. If Sally's not doing it anymore, and we don't have anybody knocking at the door right now, can we, after the contract's up, or signed, can we add to it down the road?

**Speaker 1:** I don't know. I imagine that we could if we were in a bond. You know what I'm saying? I mean, our district advisor doesn't come around because she doesn't need to because we have Nimerick. But if we needed to rely on someone for assistance in helping with the software and helping, I'm sure- She would come in? She would come in and help. Oh. So our software is still part Nimerick and still part state?

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah. There's some certified and there's some Nimerick. So we'll still need Nimerick, but we don't need a Nimerick assessor. I think you will in a while. You know, I think maybe since Sally's the one who knows what's being done on a day-to-day basis- Excuse me. I mean, she would be the best one to say, you know, we need a Nimerick assessor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We can handle this, this, this. Right. It never needs to do that and that and that. Right. I- Yes. But again, if Sally said, because she's here she says, okay, we can do this, this and this, and then she's not here- Will this girl from the state come in and help us with that? Or? You sure? I really think that that kind of links together what we were just talking about. We should try real hard, advertise, get people out, get the word out that we're looking for at least one truth. person to, you know, come in and start learning that job.

**Speaker 19:** Right.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Generational success.

**Speaker 26:** Yeah. Right, right. Definitely. And have a job description so that people know what it is, you know, and we follow it. This is what that means.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And that's, we should come up with some, at least a vague description of this is what you're doing. Because, like you said, I'm not.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, we do have a job description.

**Speaker 13:** Right.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, that's the thing, if one of the jobs that is paid,

it's not a lot of hours.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I can't remember, she had like 10, 15 hours,

**Speaker 1:** I think Deb had, right? Well, it varies. It's heavy in the spring because you have to lodge a grant on list by April 1st and then all the hearings. And it's heavy in the fall when you're going through and reviewing all the permits and the work and the building people have done. In the middle of winter, you might not come in for weeks at a time.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** But we had a budget too, though, so we must have known that.

**Speaker 1:** But, yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Throughout the year, everybody would have had 20 hours one day in a one week and zero the next.

**Speaker 1:** Right, so you might average out at .

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** We should have known, kind of get an idea of what that is so we can tell people, okay. Because if we say, oh, it's $100 an hour, we can only get one hour.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Well, you have a job description for the assessor clerk, and that can be modified, too, depending on what the clerks want to do, what the assessor wants to do. The assessor also gave us a checklist. He was going to do this, this, and this, maybe we don't want to do this.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I do believe that if someone is interested, they should come to the board. We can talk about it, too, because, again, it's not going to be a great job. It's not a job you're going to raise four kids with, by any means. So it's like Kurt said. You're going to want to help the town. You're going to have to have time to come in and do the job. It's not something that the average Joe that's got a nine to five job is going to want to take on. So it is. But. People are interested. We can go from there, too, but, you know, get a job description and even a somewhat.

Do you want the excuse?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Thank you. You've got to call them, huh? I'm just going to mess this up.

Okay. So we're going to do this job description.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah, I had no problem stepping back from the town clerk. And see if you can find something from NIMRC, what they're a la carte. Stop this, because I, we're going to. What does that end?

**Speaker 1:** I have it already. Oh, okay. You're good. I just need to sit down with you.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** When was it found right then?

**Speaker 1:** When all of the appeals are done for the scrambles. So that could be August. The BC hearings that start next Wednesday at 4 and however long they go on.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** And there's only four right now. Three. Three. So they could be quick.

**Speaker 3:** Yeah, four.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** I mean, by August. It should be over. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm just asking because we're only going to have one meeting in July. So we should know what we want.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Yeah.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That meeting.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** You have that stuff for us? Talk to Sally and see if she can talk to us. And maybe we'd have to meet separately, not at a meeting, because it might take a long time. Who's doing what?

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yeah, I still, I still would like to ask the states on that. This is not going to work. But. We were doing that when they called the Board of Abatement. If I grieve my own home, I can't sit on any other case.

Right. Well, this was a big change that we just had.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Everybody's house has doubled. My camp tripled, tripled. I kind of sat back and said, well, I might want to go, but then I wouldn't be able to sit on the board. Deborah Shards can't sit on the board now. If she said something, she wouldn't be able to. Pretty soon, we won't have anybody sitting on the board. We're not going to be able to sit on the board. This doesn't make sense. We probably don't want to sit on the board. If you can't sit on the board for your case, it would make sense, obviously.

Right.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** That makes sense. Yeah.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** And when you can't sit on the board.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** You're on the board, right? Yeah. I mean, half the board's right here. If we all grieve, we'd be moving . We should ask the state and say, this is. What did they do in that case? It's crazy. Yeah. Right. Because, I mean, I thought there was going to be a hell of a lot more than three. Yeah. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. Two. Three. Four. Four. Four. Five. Five. Six. Six. Seven. Eight. Nine. 10. 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. 20. 23. 24. 27. 25. 26. 27. 26. 27. 28. 29. 30. 31. 32. 33. 34. 35. 36. 37. 36. 37. 38. 39. 40. 41. 42. 42. 43. 49. 54. or something like that for $18,000. And usually a realtor comes in and assesses it higher than the town does, right? Like, holy crap.

**Speaker 3:** My little can went from $30,000 to $106,000. Well, there you go, that's four, that's about four. Rural property.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Must be nice in there, then. I haven't done anything to it.

With your chair and cabinets.

**Speaker 6:** Since Atlanta's gonna be hard getting older, you know. I'm surprised they even went out and put that in. It's the land, it's the sense that the land is disappearing. It's gonna be hard to understand.

**Michael G. Denault (inferred):** Yep. All right. I'm not expected to get on it.

**Nancy L. Bushika (Chair):** Okay. That's it, we're done with new business. And I would like to make a motion to go into executive session for personnel.

Okay. Okay. Second. So, what's going on here? Yeah, you probably need an apartment. Well, I didn't get one. I don't need one. You can do that unless your captain wants to have a good night. Okay, come on.